ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
[Landmark Commission on December 4, 2023.]
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TODAY IS MONDAY, DECEMBER 4TH, THE YEAR 2023.COMMISSIONER ALBERSTADT MAY BE JOINING US VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BOURGEOIS.
PRESENT. VICE CHAIRPERSON CLICK.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FLINT-BUDDE.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.
PRESENT. CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON IS ABSENT.
OKAY. AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE TIME WAS 4:01 WHEN WE STARTED THE MEETING.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES TODAY? NO. OKAY.
MOVING ON. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? IT WAS A SHORT MEETING. SHOULD BE A SHORT READ.
DO YOU SEE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO. OKAY.
THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
CATHERINE DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? WOULD YOU STEP UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE? NOW THIS IS REGARDING THE LETTERS THAT YOU SENT ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING.
OKAY, I THINK I BELONG IN THE CASE.
OKAY. IF YOU GOT IF YOU RECEIVED A LETTER.
OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? MR. EASTERWOOD, COULD YOU SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME? YES. BRAX EASTERWOOD 123 25TH STREET. I JUST HAD A COMMENT A LITTLE OFF MY GAME RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE I JUST GOT A PHONE CALL.
I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WINDOWS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW CASES TODAY.
TWO OF THE CASES HAVE COMMENTS ON THE WINDOWS FOR THEM TO BE ONE OVER ONE VERSUS A PATTERN EITHER 2 OVER 2 OR 1 IS A MORE CRAFTSMAN LOOKING TYPE OF WINDOW.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THOSE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN AS DESIGNED, IF POSSIBLE, RATHER THAN DOING A ONE OVER ONES.
AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE BOARD DECIDES ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR LOOKS AT JUST IN GENERAL. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MATCH EXISTING WINDOWS.
WE'RE PLACING VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE ONE OVER 1 IN 1 CASE, AND THEN IN THE OTHER CASE JUST PROPOSING TWO OVER TWO'S IN NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I'LL GET UP AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE CASE ON BROADWAY.
BUT ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS JUST GOT IN A MINOR CAR ACCIDENT, SO.
OH NO. SHE'S FINE. TOTALLY FINE.
JUST KIND OF TOOK ME OFF MY GAME A LITTLE BIT.
BUT ANYWAY, I'LL BE UP AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THOSE ARE TWO CONSIDERATIONS FOR MY CASES TODAY.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT A NON AGENDA ITEM.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS A CONSENT AGENDA TAX VERIFICATION.
EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS CASE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN WHICH YOU'D LIKE ME TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN THEN EXPLORE IT A LITTLE FURTHER? NO. EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT.
SO ANYTHING TO PRESENT? NO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
THEY'VE MET ALL THE REGULATIONS.
ALL IN FAVOR? IT IS UNANIMOUS.
DO I HAVE MILTON? HE HASN'T JOINED YET.
SO CHRISTIAN ISN'T VOTING OKAY. THEN I GUESS WE ARE UNANIMOUS.
NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
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2309 HARBORSIDE.THE OPENING WILL BE ENCLOSED WITH A NEW WALL WITH A STUCCO FINISH AND A NEW METAL DOOR ON THE WEST FAÇADE AND ON THE EAST FAÇADE, THE OPENING WILL BE ENCLOSED WITH A SOLID WALL.
THE NEWLY CREATED INTERIOR SPACE WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE.
PLEASE NOTE THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ALONG WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE WALKWAY WAS CREATED IN THE 1990S AND IS NOT AN ORIGINAL FEATURE OF THE BUILDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION NUMBER ONE, AND I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES GETTING THE POWERPOINT UP, SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY PHOTOS FOR THIS ONE. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR CUT.
THIS IS NOT AN HISTORIC PART OF THE BUILDING.
YOU'VE GOT ALL THE PICTURES THERE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BASED ON THIS? NO. NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. GAERTNER, THE ARCHITECT, IS PRESENT.
IT'S GAERTNER AND I DON'T SEE HIM.
GAERTNER, NO? OKAY. HE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE WITH US.
OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK YOU TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE 23LC-051.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE 23LC-051 PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
SECOND. WE'VE GOT A SECOND DISCUSSION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? NO. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.
THEY'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT IS UNANIMOUS.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO CASE 23LC-052 1124 24TH STREET.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER COA FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ENCLOSING EXISTING REAR PORCH.
THERE WERE SIX PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST OF PROPOSED MATERIALS.
WOOD LAP SIGN TO MATCH EXISTING WITH DECORATIVE PANELS TO REFERENCE THE ORIGINAL PORCH.
PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE. REAR FAÇADE, THOUGH IT IS VISIBLE FROM AVENUE L.
MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED, ESPECIALLY FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT.
THE MODIFICATIONS ARE COMPATIBLE AND LARGELY REVERSIBLE.
THERE'S JUST TAKING IN A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALL KIND OF SIDE PORCH.
THE ADDITION PROPOSES TO MATCH EXISTING WOOD SIDING WITH THE SAME, RELOCATE AND REUSE EXISTING WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS, AND RELOCATE AND RETAIN WOOD COLUMNS AND DECORATIVE ELEMENTS. THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES TO ADD A DECORATIVE ELEMENT TO THE NEW ADDITION, TO PROVIDE A VISUAL CLUE THAT A CHANGE OCCURRED.
IN THIS CASE, IT SOMEWHAT MIMICS A HANDRAIL.
SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND OF COURSE THE VICINITY MAP SHOWING ITS LOCATION ON THE CORNER.
I KNOW THIS HOUSE, BUT I CAN'T PICTURE WHERE THIS PORCH IS.
IF I'M STANDING ON AVENUE L, WHERE IS IT? IN THE BACK CORNER.
COULD WE GO FORWARD ONE? I THINK THAT MIGHT CLEAR IT UP.
SO ON THE UPPER SUBJECT CORNER.
SEE THAT LITTLE PORCH THERE? THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IF YOU WERE STANDING ON AVENUE L FACING NORTH, IT WOULD BE ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, KIND OF FACING THE BACK YARD BUT THAT LITTLE TINY PORCH THERE IS WHERE THE PROPERTY WOULD OR THE CHANGES WOULD BE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THE SOUTH AND THE WEST.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
WE UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT PICTURE IN THE REPORT.
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RIGHT.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF AN ASSOCIATE OF MR. EASTERWOOD IS HERE.
OR ARE WILLIAM AND MR. MRS. MATHERS HERE? WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK? COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE? MY NAME IS GENOVEVA VAZQUEZ.
I REPRESENT EASTERWOOD ARCHITECTS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF, FIRST OF ALL, FOR DOING PUTTING THIS POWERPOINT TOGETHER.
ALL NEW MATERIALS WILL BE TO MATCH EXISTING AND ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND TRIM, AND THE CORBEL WILL BE RELOCATED, AS WELL AS THE COLUMN THAT'S IN THAT NEW PART.
YES. IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A COMMENT.
I LOVE THIS HOUSE. THIS HOUSE IS PHENOMENAL.
CORRECT. AND I LOVE THE IDEA THAT YOU LEFT THOSE NUANCES THERE INSTEAD OF JUST SEEING THIS SIDING WALL THERE. I THINK IT IS BEING VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE PERIOD OF THE ARCHITECTURE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO. OKAY.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND.
NANCY SECONDED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT? NO. I THINK IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.
SO THAT MAKES OUR JOB A LOT EASIER, DOESN'T IT? OKAY. IF WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
MOVING ON TO CASE 23LC-053 1227 BROADWAY.
THERE WERE FOUR PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
THE PARCEL CURRENTLY CONTAINS A PRIMARY DWELLING FACING BROADWAY, LIKELY BUILT AFTER THE 1900 STORM, AND REAR ACCESSORY DWELLINGS BUILT AFTER 1912, ACCORDING TO SANBORN INSURANCE MAPS. AS THIS IS A CORNER LOT, BOTH STRUCTURES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY VISIBLE FROM EITHER THE BROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY OR THE 13TH STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
EACH SECTION OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE SUMMARIZED BELOW, INCLUDING HOW THE PROPOSED DESIGN DOES OR DOES NOT CONFORM TO REMOVE AND REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS, REAR PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN STANDARDS DESCRIBE THE LOCATION OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS LOCATION DEEMED NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE.
OF COURSE, STAFF HAS CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED WINDOW DESIGN.
IT'S TYPICAL FOR US TO REQUEST ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, IS PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE A LITTLE MORE.
THERE WE GO. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SINGLE PANE, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS.
SOME OF THESE WINDOWS WILL BE REUSED.
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WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT.RELOCATE EXISTING HISTORIC SHUTTERS AND ADD SHUTTERS TO MATCH.
THIS ALL CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE REAR PORCH.
THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED IN CASE OF PORCH IS MODESTLY SIZED, DOES NOT VISUALLY OVERWHELM THE FAÇADE.
IT INCLUDES THE SIMPLE SQUARE HANDRAIL DESIGN THAT IS TYPICALLY APPROVED, AND LIKEWISE PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH EXISTING REAR DECK AND STAIRS ATTACHED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LIKEWISE CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN.
HOWEVER, THE DESIGN STANDARDS DO NOT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO HISTORIC ACCESSORY DWELLINGS, AND THE PROPOSED CARPORT ADDITION IN THE REAR DWELLING WILL INCLUDE WOOD TRIM AND COMPOSITION ROOF TO MATCH THE EXISTING ROOF.
THIS, OF COURSE, CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
FINALLY, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL NOTES SOLAR PANELS SIZE AND QUANTITY TO BE DETERMINED.
SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SEEN FROM BROADWAY THIS OF COURSE IS THE FRONT HOUSE.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE WE SEE THE AREAS TO BE MODIFIED.
THE REAR PORCH THAT WILL BE MODIFIED, A NEW SIDE REAR PORCH TO BE ADDED.
AND THEN THE SMALL CARPORT ADDED ON THE SIDE OF THE REAR STRUCTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS TO BE MODIFIED THERE AND THOSE CIRCLED AREAS.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND WE HAVE THE VIEW OF THE REAR HOUSE PROPOSED CHANGES SEEN FROM THE BACKYARD AND THEN THE PROPOSED CARPORT ADDITION ON THE REAR BUILDING AS SHOWN FROM THE ALLEY.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ONCE AGAIN SHOWING WHERE THESE CHANGES WILL GENERALLY BE OCCURRING.
THEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ACROSS BROADWAY, TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE SHE IS HER DANCE CARD HAS NOW COME TO THE FLOOR.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COULD I ASK, ARE SOME OF THE WINDOWS.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE REAR.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS A REAR PORCH AT ONE POINT.
MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.
I PRESUME IT WAS MAYBE ENCLOSED AT SOME POINT.
THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORIC.
SO WE DON'T, OF COURSE HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT THOSE.
OKAY. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT HAS TYPICALLY HAS PRETTY STAINED GLASS AROUND IT.
OKAY. ONE OF THE CASES AND IT CAN ONLY BE THIS ONE OR THE OTHER ONE.
WHEN I READ THROUGH THE CASE FILES THEY WERE REQUESTING CRAFTSMAN STYLE WINDOWS.
BUT YEAH WE CAN VERIFY THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.
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WHY NOT LET THEM APPEAR HISTORIC? WHY MAKE THEM HAVE ONE OVER ONE IF THEY WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PERIOD CRAFTSMAN? WHY NOT? WELL, IT'S AN 1870 NATIONAL FOLK, SO THAT'S A LITTLE EARLY FOR CRAFTSMAN.AND I THINK WE HAVE TO STAY IN KEEPING WITH WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.
WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD PERHAPS CONVEY A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS SAY ONE OVER ONE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVEN'T APPROVED OTHER AT SOME POINT.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. MRS. SASS ARE AVAILABLE OR SOMEONE FROM AIA PROPERTY ARCHITECTS, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE.
BRAX EASTERWOOD 123 25TH STREET.
REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S MAYBE THE BIGGEST QUESTION IN THIS CASE.
THAT ASSEMBLY THAT DANIEL WAS TALKING ABOUT.
AND THANK YOU, DANIEL, FOR YOUR STAFF REPORT.
OUR INTENTION WAS TO REUSE THAT EXACT ASSEMBLY.
SO IT WAS AN ENCLOSED PORCH, JUST LIKE DANIEL THOUGHT.
AND YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE NEW WINDOWS RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE, I THINK, THAT I SAW IN YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE YOU COULD SEE IT.
YES. OR THE ONES ON THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE.
THE TRANSOM THAT STYLE. WELL, NO, THAT SORT OF SQUARE PATTERN IN THE CORNERS.
JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.
RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH ESSENTIALLY.
THEY MAY HAVE USED IT IN THE WHAT I [INAUDIBLE] CRAFTSMAN OR PRAIRIE STYLE.
YEAH. I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS A THAT'S JUST MY ANYWAYS CONTINUE.
YEAH IT'S A REALLY SWEET HOUSE.
THE THING THAT IS REALLY REMARKABLE TO ME ABOUT THE HOUSE IS THIS THE PORCH YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE, AND IT'S BEEN BOARDED UP FOR A LONG TIME, BUT FROM THAT PORCH, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST VIEW I'VE SEEN OF SACRED HEART.
YOU LOOK RIGHT AT SACRED HEART WHEN YOU'RE FACING OUT FROM THAT PORCH.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A REALLY COOL THING.
AND SO THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE DOING SORT OF IS TO DIRECT FLOW VIEWS IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL.
THE INTERIOR RENOVATION IS TO ENCAPSULATE THAT REAR PORCH AND INCLUDE IT INTO A KITCHEN.
SO IN ORDER TO REUSE THAT ASSEMBLY, THE WINDOW ASSEMBLY, WE HAD TO PUT THAT ONTO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHY THAT STAIRCASE IS COMING UP ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO JUST PUSH IT OUT TO THE BACK, IT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REUSE THE.
SO THE UPPER WINDOWS ARE THE WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE UPPER SASH ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
BRAX YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORDING.
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ASSEMBLY OUT.WE WOULD HAVE TO DISMEMBER IT AND BREAK IT APART AND REUSE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT THE WAY THAT IT IS AND TIE IN TO THOSE NEW WINDOWS.
BUT THE EXISTING ASSEMBLY IS ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THOSE NEW STAIRS ARE.
OKAY. SORRY. AND THE UPPER WINDOWS.
THAT'S ABOUT IT. WILL THOSE BE NEW WINDOWS OR ARE THOSE EXISTING.
YES. CRAFTSMAN I CALL EVERYTHING FOLK.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. EASTERWOOD? NO.
THANKS. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT.
I'LL SAY THAT JOHN MCNATT IS THE CONTRACTOR ON THIS PROJECT.
BLAKE IS POTENTIALLY THE CONTRACTOR ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GANG OUT THERE? NO. OKAY.
IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 23LC-053, WITH A MODIFICATION TO STAFF'S SUGGESTIONS REGARDING THE WINDOWS THAT WE ALLOW THE WINDOWS THAT THE ARCHITECT HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
OKAY. SO WOULD YOU BE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS CASE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STRIKING NUMBER B? THANK YOU. YES. RECOMMENDATION.
THE REST OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STANDS ALLOWING THE REQUEST FOR THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK.
I'M SORRY. WOULD THAT BE A OR B? YEAH. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. SO STRIKING A WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS B, C AND D.
YES. 23LC-053 SUGGEST APPROVAL WITH OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS STRIKING A.
SARAH WILL SECOND. DISCUSSION.
I PERSONALLY AND I'M NO EXPERT AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I AM A LOVER OF THE CRAFTSMAN ERA AND I DON'T SEE THOSE AS CRAFTSMAN WINDOWS, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY APPEAR ON SOME.
CRAFTSMAN, I THINK OF THEIR EARLIER, AND I DO THINK THEY FALL INTO THE GALVESTON VERNACULAR.
WE SEE A LOT OF DOORS AND WINDOWS THAT HAVE THAT PATTERN ON THEM THAT ARE 1860S, 1870S, WHICH, UNTIL SOMEONE CAN PROVE ME WRONG, WAS WELL BEFORE THE CRAFTSMAN ERA OR PRAIRIE STYLE ARCHITECTURE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN SOMEONE IS PUTTING SO MUCH THOUGHT AND ENERGY INTO A HOUSE AT SOME, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE ON THE CORNER LIKE THIS. I LOVE THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE BEEN VERY PERIOD SOFT TO THIS ADDITION, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE NEW AND IT WILL LOOK NEW, IT'S STILL PERIOD SOFT, SO IT COMPLEMENTS THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE, NOT DETRACT FROM IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS PROJECT GO.
MOVING ON TO CASE 23LC-054 1208 CHURCH.
ALRIGHTY. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THIS IS FOR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
THERE ARE THREE PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
ONE RETURNED. THAT ONE WAS IN FAVOR.
THERE IS AN EXISTING ACCESSORY DWELLING THERE THAT WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED.
A PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES INCLUDE A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, WOOD FRAMING WITH WOOD LAP SIDING AND TRIM, WOOD WINDOWS, AND A TWO OVER TWO CONFIGURATION WOOD FRONT ENTRY DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS, WOOD DECORATIVE COLUMNS, HANDRAILS, BALUSTERS, AND WOOD BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING TO GRADE.
ONCE AGAIN REFERENCE A MORE DETAILED EXHIBIT A.
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PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL.WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH SECTION BRIEFLY.
THERE IS NO WELL ESTABLISHED PATTERN OR CONFORMITY TO THE SETBACKS OF EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK, AND THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE TO THE EAST IS ORIENTED DIRECTLY ON THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
STAFF HAS DETERMINED THE FRONT SETBACKS IS ACCEPTABLE.
THERE ARE A FEW TWO STORY STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK.
THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON GRADE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST STANDS APPROXIMATELY 25FT HIGH.
THE STRUCTURE IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET IS A LOW RAISED ONE STORY HOUSE THAT APPEARS TO BE LOWER THAN THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE HERE, AND THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS EXHIBIT A SHOW T HE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION AT APPROXIMATELY 16.83FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL, WITH EXISTING GRADE APPROXIMATELY 6.80FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL.
THE DESIGN STANDARDS NOTE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE COMPOSED OF SIMPLE RECTANGULAR FORMS. THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS GENERALLY RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE AND FAIRLY SIMPLE IN MASSING, AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
FINALLY, THE FRONT ENTRY PORCH, ONCE AGAIN LOCATED TOWARDS CHURCH IN COMPLIANCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION, IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT ORNAMENTATION WHICH CONFORMS. AND OF COURSE, THE HANDRAILS ARE PROPOSED TO BE A SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN.
FINALLY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE RESIDENCE WE HAVE WOOD CONSTRUCTION INCLUDING HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING, WINDOWS AND WOOD WINDOWS, AND WOOD DOORS PROPOSED TO BE ALL WOOD, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND OF COURSE, STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS ROUTINELY APPROVED EVEN FOR HISTORIC REPLACEMENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MATERIAL PALETTE IN GENERAL.
I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT THAT IS SHOWN IS EXISTING.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE WE HAVE A FRONT ELEVATION DRAWING AND AN OBLIQUE DRAWING OF THE FRONT ELEVATION FROM THE ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I JUST WANTED A VERIFICATION.
THE FLOODPLAIN FOR THIS ADDRESS IS WHAT? I'M NOT SURE. I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS ON THE THE STAFF REPORT.
OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S AT 16 FOR THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR.
WELL I MEAN I BELIEVE I BELIEVE THAT, YEAH.
WELL, THE THE ARCHITECT MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHERE BASE FLOOD IS.
I'M SURE THAT IT IS SOME DISTANCE ABOVE THAT.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE BFA IS 12.
BUT THEN THERE'S THE FREEBOARD REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT 13.6 IS THE REQUIREMENT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER THREE FOOT OF FREEBOARD.
THE THREE BOARD ADDS ANOTHER FOOT SIX INCHES FOR IT.
BUT OKAY, SO THAT GETS US TO 16 10 I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR IS 1610.
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THE FREEBOARD IS THE 13 6.OKAY, SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FOOT.
THERE IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND BECAUSE IF YOU DO BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AT 12, FREEBOARD IS 13 6.
HOW DO I GET FROM 15 6 TO 1610.
SO YEAH, THE FREEPORT IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN.
SO THE FREEBOARD REQUIREMENT IS 13 6 OKAY.
THEY'RE GOING ABOVE THAT TO 1610 OKAY.
THE UPSTAIRS DOOR SWINGS TO THE RIGHT.
DOWNSTAIRS DOOR SWINGS TO THE LEFT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A REASON FOR IT.
NO. ANYBODY? THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
THINKING IT'S A QUESTION MAYBE FOR THE ARCHITECT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT I NEED GLASSES? NEW GLASSES? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, I'LL TAKE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY.
I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. OR MRS. FONTANA ARE HERE, OR A REPRESENTATIVE FOR AIA OR MR. EASTERWOOD WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN AGAIN.
THEY CAN SWING BOTH THE SAME WAY.
IT'S JUST SO THAT THEY, THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE THE GARAGE SPACE UNDER TO PARK THEIR CAR.
ANYBODY ELSE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING? TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE TWO OVER TWO.
WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF THAT WINDOW? UM, LIKE WIDTH BY TOTAL HEIGHT.
TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO DO 36 BY 62.
THAT'S A GENERAL LIKE EGRESS WINDOW.
UM, SO ARE YOU ARE YOU DOING LIKE 32 BY 36? 36 WIDTH BY 62.
OKAY. THAT'S A BIG WINDOW TO DO A SINGLE PANE.
AND IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING TWO OVER TWO.
YES. ALSO IT IT REFLECTS THE EXISTING, UM, THE CONTEXT WITHIN SEELEY STREET.
LISTEN, I'M LOVING THE FACT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BEACH HOUSE.
YEAH. HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THOSE IN EASTON.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I LOVE THAT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. VASQUEZ? NO.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE? STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE.
GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MILLICENT GRYSKA.
I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT WINDOWS.
I REALLY LIKE THE TWO OVER TWO.
AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME EXCEPTIONS ALREADY IN THIS MEETING.
AND IN YOUR DESIGN STANDARDS, YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT SAYS THAT THE HOUSE OR THE PROJECT SHOULD BE VISIBLE, VISUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH NEARBY HOMES.
SO I'M PROPOSING THAT YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR THESE WINDOWS, BECAUSE IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE TWO OVER TWO. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER, TO LEAVE THE TWO OVER TWO AND NOT THE ONE OVER ONE.
I THINK IT WILL MAKE IT LOOK REALLY, REALLY MODERN IF YOU HAVE THE ONE OVER ONE.
SO THAT'S MY COMMENT REGARDING THE WINDOWS.
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I HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THE SETBACK FROM THE SIDE YARD.YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE BLOCK.
IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SETBACKS ON THE BLOCK.
THE RED HOUSE THERE, WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY, IS EXACTLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
APART FROM THAT HOUSE, WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S GOT A CHURCH ADDRESS.
BUT THERE'S NO DOOR ON CHURCH STREET.
IT REALLY SHOULD BE 12TH STREET, NOT CHURCH STREET.
SO IT'S TECHNICALLY REALLY NOT ON MY BLOCK.
OKAY. IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE BLOCK, THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN THE TOTALITY OF TEN FEET, WHICH THIS SITE PLAN IS ALLOWING.
OKAY. ON THIS SITE PLAN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE THE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY IS, THERE IS A THREE FOOT SETBACK ON THE LEFT SIDE.
WHAT I CAN READ FROM THE PLAN.
THERE'S A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK THAT'S ONLY TEN FEET.
NO OTHER HOUSE ON THE BLOCK HAS A TOTALITY OF TEN FEET SETBACK.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SETBACK AND HAVE WIDE SIDE YARDS.
SO THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE SETBACK OF THE BLOCK.
OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO SHRINK THE HOUSE IF THEY YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT LIKE WHAT YOUR GUIDELINES SAID, THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BLOCK IN TERMS OF THE SIDELINES.
I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN THAT IT SAYS HERE IN YOUR GUIDELINES, NEW DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGES THAT OPEN ONTO A PRIMARY STREET ARE NOT PERMITTED.
WELL, THERE WAS AN EXISTING CURB CUT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE WAS A THERE'S A PREEXISTING GARAGE.
THIS IS JUST THE TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR STATEMENT.
THE BOARD IS NOT SUPPOSED TO RESPOND.
OH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS.
I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS.
NO, NO, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT. BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS OKAY.
THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS WE PLANTED A LOT OF TREES DURING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU MAY RECALL THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TREES THAT ARE NEAR TO THE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE BULLDOZED DOWN.
THERE'S ALSO TREES ON THE PROPERTY THAT MAKE THE TEN INCH CUT.
YOU KNOW, THE TEN INCH CALIPER CUT.
OKAY, LET ME JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK.
PLANNING, PLANNING. ALL RIGHT.
WELL, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
WE WISH EVERYBODY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS.
IT MAKES IT STRONGER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. EASTWOOD, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD? REX EASTWOOD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN.
OKAY. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THE REASON FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE IS TO MAINTAIN SOME KIND OF A OF A YARD BETWEEN THE HISTORIC GARAGE APARTMENT AND THE NEW RESIDENCE.
AS FAR AS THE TREES ON THE SIDE, THEY WERE PLANTED AFTER IKE MY UNDERSTANDING ANYWAY, THAT THEY WERE PLANTED AFTER IKE AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS APPROACHED THE CURRENT OWNERS TO ASK THEM IF THEY COULD PLANT SOME TREES.
WELL, THOSE TREES ARE GROWN NOW, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THE IN THE WAY ESSENTIALLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THEY WOULD FARE IF WE IF WE LEFT THEM FOR THE MOST PART.
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AND THESE TREES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF SADDLED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ALLOWED THEM TO BE PUT IN IN THE FIRST PLACE.AND THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THESE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY CREATE DAMAGE TO THE ROOF LINE.
AND I'M SURE THAT SHINGLES, BECAUSE THEY GROW UP AND BRUSH INTO IT IN THE STORMS AND STUFF.
NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT I'M I LIKE TREES.
BUT IN THIS CASE THEY'VE JUST GOTTEN TOO BIG.
THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE SHORT OF IT.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. OKAY.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. CASE 23-054 STRIKING A FROM STAFF'S CONDITIONS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION.
SHE'S GOING TO SECOND IT. SO WE ARE ALLOWING THE TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS.
EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES.
IF I MIGHT FOR JUST FOR THE RECORD, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF WILL DO A TREE.
WE WILL WE WILL, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE PLANS TO SEE IF ANY MITIGATION NEEDS TO OCCUR.
AND WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY.
OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS 2024 MEETING SCHEDULE STAFF [INAUDIBLE].
KARINA IS GOING TO PASS OUT THE SCHEDULE AND IT IS FOR 2024.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE INSTANCE IN WHICH WE ARE GETTING OFF OF THE SCHEDULE.
IF WE KEPT TO THE SCHEDULE IN JANUARY, THERE IS A CONFLICT WITH BOTH NEW YEAR'S DAY AND MLK DAY.
SO I JUST BUMPED THE FIRST MEETING DOWN BY A WEEK.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO A WHOLE MONTH WITHOUT HAVING A MEETING.
THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANTS.
WE DO HAVE A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS.
WE HAVE ONE CASE PENDING FOR THE 12/18 MEETING.
OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THAT IS JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR A TRAVEL STIPEND OF UP TO $1,200 TO PAY FOR TRAVEL AND LODGING EXPENSES.
OKAY. SO YEAH, SO THE DEADLINE IS FOR THE APPLICATION IS DECEMBER 8TH.
SO FAR I HAVE DANIEL AND CHRISTIAN.
SO ALL I NEED IS CONFIRMATION THAT YOU WANT TO ATTEND.
YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
I MOVE THE EMAIL TO A SEPARATE FILE.
I JUST NEED TO GET IT OUT AND REVIEW THE DATES AGAIN.
YEAH. DANIEL'S GOING? YEAH. I JUST WENT TO NATIONAL TRUST SO I CAN'T HOG ALL THE CONFERENCES.
OKAY. AND I'VE BEEN TO THE LAST FOUR FORUMS AND THEY'RE REALLY GOOD CONFERENCES.
SO IT'S JULY 31ST THROUGH THE 24TH THROUGH AUGUST THE 4TH.
TYPICALLY THE LAST DAY OF A CONFERENCE IS USUALLY JUST TILL NOON.
OKAY. ANYWAY, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE COMMISSION JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION FROM THE CLG PORTION. WE JUST SUBMITTED IT IN NOVEMBER AND REQUESTED $20,000.
I WAS DEVASTATED WHEN WE WHEN WE TORE THOSE HOUSES DOWN IN CHURCH, WHICH WERE CLEARLY THE FIRST FREED SLAVE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EAST END, AND WE LOST THEM.
AND IT JUST A NASTY BATTLE WITH AN OWNER THERE.
YEAH. SO KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED FOR THAT.
WE WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THAT IN FEBRUARY.
OKAY. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PORTAL TO TEXAS HISTORY, WHICH IS A PROJECT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, TO DO SCANNING OF THESE SLIDES THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES FROM LOST BAYOU IN 1993 WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY DESIGNATED.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SLIDES FROM 1994, WHICH WAS THE EXPANSION OF THE EAST END.
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SO WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY RECEIVED THESE THREE GRANTS.IT'S NOT MONEY, IT'S REALLY THEIR TIME.
SO WE SEND THE SLIDES OUT TO THEM AND THEN THEY SCAN THEM.
AND WE'VE HAD $3,000 WORTH OF SCANNING DONE.
THE FIRST GRANT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THAT'S LOST BY YOU.
IF YOU'LL CLICK ON THAT LINK THAT SHOULD OPEN UP THE WEBSITE.
OKAY SO HERE ARE THE FIRST SET OF SLIDES.
SO IT'S A PORTION OF LOST BAYOU.
WHEN YOU GO TO THE PORTAL YOU CAN TYPE IN AN ADDRESS.
AND IF THE ADDRESS HAS BEEN OH IS IT.
OH YEAH. THAT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO YOU CAN TYPE IN YOUR THE ADDRESS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN AND SEE IF IT'S BEEN SCANNED YET.
EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET THERE. BUT THIS IS GOING TO JUST BE A PORTION OF IT.
BY CHANCE IS THIS FROM THE 2015 SURVEY THAT WAS DONE? NO. THESE ARE FROM 1993 OKAY.
YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A ELECTRONIC COPY OF THESE.
AND WE'VE JUST BEEN USING THEM BY LOOKING WITH OUR EYES.
SO THESE ARE ALL PICTURES OF THE HOUSES BEFORE THEY WERE DESIGNATED.
AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO KNOW IF THINGS ARE GRANDFATHERED.
SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING ON AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE ALL OF . SO IT TAKES IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THIS SCANNING TO HAPPEN.
SO WE SENT THESE FIRST BATCH UP IN 2002, AND WE'RE JUST 2002, 2020.
AND WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST GETTING THEM BACK WHEN YOU WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL.
BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE ALL OF LOST BAYOU AND THE PORTION OF EAST END THAT WAS IN THE EXPANSION.
WE GET THE PHYSICAL ONES BACK.
AND THEN WE ALSO GET ELECTRONIC COPIES OF IT.
OKAY. AND POST APPROVAL PROCESS CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE COMMISSION.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ON THAT ONE.
WELL. I HAD A RELATED CONVERSATION I WANTED TO HAVE ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THIS ON HERE OR WHAT WE WERE.
I KNOW WE ALL WERE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE FIND PROPERTIES AND WE HAVE THEM RED TAGGED.
RIGHT. THIS WAS JUST WITHIN THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS.
AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO CATHERINE AND SAID, HEY, HEADS UP.
I MEAN, I'VE HAD A SITUATION. YEAH, IT'S JUST THE SAME THING.
I THINK STAFF DOES A FABULOUS JOB.
IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THE PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T ALWAYS JUST BECAUSE YOU AND I HAPPEN TO NOTICE THAT WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE OTHER PROJECTS, THAT WE DON'T HAPPEN TO GO DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT THEM. YEAH.
WE DEPEND A LOT ON THE EYES AND THE EARS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHEN THINGS ARE GOING ON.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEPEND ON NEIGHBORS FOR.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A PREVIOUS LANDMARK COMMISSION BOARD MEMBER THAT THERE USED TO BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT WAS PART OF OUR MEETINGS, AND THAT THEY WOULD THEN KNOW MORE WHAT TO GO FOLLOW UP ON.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CHANGED? WELL, DELIBERATELY OR SO I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR PURVIEW AS TO WHAT HAPPENS ONCE WE'VE MADE A DECISION, AND THAT DECISION HAS BEEN PASSED OFF TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF THEY GO OFF AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO US.
THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY IS AWARE OF THEM.
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SO BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS POLICING THE CITY, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE? WHY ISN'T THAT BEEN DONE? BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR JOB HERE.
OUR JOB HERE IS TO LOOK AT THESE CASES CASE BY CASE BASIS AND APPROVE THEIR REQUEST OR NOT.
WE'RE NOT THE IRS. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I FEEL. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT OKAY.
AND SO YEAH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THAT AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THIS IS STILL THE CASE TODAY, BUT PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A MARSHAL OR A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT KIND OF HIS DISTRICT WAS SOME OF THE LANDMARKS OR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN GENERAL.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT WAS JUST HIS DISTRICT AND IT JUST FLOATED TO ALL THE LANDMARKS.
SO I'LL CONFIRM WITH BUTCH STROUD, WHO IS OUR CITY MARSHAL, TO SEE HOW THAT IS DONE NOW, IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC OFFICER THAT SPECIFICALLY FOCUSES ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE ANYMORE, JUST DUE TO THE MANPOWER OF IT ALL.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL CONFIRM WITH BUTCH HOW THAT IS DONE IF THEY'RE JUST IN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DISTRICTS HOWEVER, IT'S BROKEN UP FOR THESE OFFICERS, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT OFFICER REPORT ON A SPECIFIC PROPERTY AS AS NEEDED AS THE REQUEST WAS MADE.
SO WE WOULD AND THAT WAS REALLY GOOD.
HE WOULD BRING IN AND TELL US WHICH CASES HAD COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.
AS EACH OF THESE CASES, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO OUR CASELOADS.
AND THEN WE'D ARGUE WHY SOMETHING HADN'T BEEN DONE, WHICH IS NOT REALLY OUR JOB.
I WOULD NOT PREFER TO GO BACK TO THAT, ALTHOUGH I DO AGREE WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR FINGER ON THE PULSE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND CLEARLY SAY ONE THING AND THEN GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY WHAT THEY AGREED TO.
AND YOU JUST THINK, WELL, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? SO YEAH. OKAY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR? I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
AND CATHERINE YOU CAN TELL ME OR NOT IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS GROUP OR NOT.
BUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WANTS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE 2015 SURVEY AND WHAT PROPERTIES ARE DETERMINED TO BE NONCONFORMING NONCONTRIBUTING AND AND WHAT THE PROCESS MIGHT BE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDMARK CONTROL OVER THOSE BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S LOST SOME PROPERTIES.
PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN REMODELED.
SO THAT'S WE BELIEVE AS THEIR NONCONTRIBUTING DEEMED TO BE NONCONTRIBUTING.
YES, WE FELT THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE.
WE'VE HAD THAT, BUT THAT'S AN INDEPENDENT SURVEY THAT'S DONE.
BUT WE CAN. YEAH, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. I HAVE A PRINT OF THE SURVEY.
SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD.
WELL, SO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT GOING OVER THAT SURVEY AND LOOKING FOR SOME OF THESE INACCURACIES.
AND THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME INACCURACIES THERE [INAUDIBLE].
THE PROBLEM IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN REVIEW THAT THAT SURVEY IS TO REVIEW IT AS A GROUP.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THIS THICK.
WELL, THAT'S THE PROJECT. IT'S HUGE.
BUT IF WE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS TAKEN THAT TO DO, WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR, OUR DISTRICT.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT. EVERYTHING THAT'S NONCONTRIBUTING AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AND LOOK AT THEM.
AND BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR RISKS.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT.
WITH CATHERINE OR WHOEVER'S APPROVAL THAT'S GREAT.
YEAH. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
OKAY. WE MIGHT NOT BE READY NEXT MEETING, THOUGH.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT INITIAL.
GREAT. YEAH. BECAUSE IN TOTAL THERE MAY BE MORE NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE LOCAL LANDMARKS.
BUT AT LAST I THINK IN THAT SURVEY WAS DONE.
IT WAS LIKE 125 HISTORIC STRUCTURES WERE SURVEYED IN THAT THING.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE DATA IN THAT.
THAT'S GREAT. AND WE'RE STILL TALKING THIS THE SMALLEST.
YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK YOU ALL HAVE 80.
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ALL RIGHT. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.WE'LL SEE ALL YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.