ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. [Landmark Commission on December 4, 2023.] [00:00:04] TODAY IS MONDAY, DECEMBER 4TH, THE YEAR 2023. WE'LL START WITH ATTENDANCE. COMMISSIONER ALBERSTADT MAY BE JOINING US VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE. COMMISSIONER BAKER. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BOURGEOIS. PRESENT. VICE CHAIRPERSON CLICK. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FITZ. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FLINT-BUDDE. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. PRESENT. CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON IS ABSENT. COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS. PRESENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE TIME WAS 4:01 WHEN WE STARTED THE MEETING. SORRY ABOUT THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES TODAY? NO. OKAY. MOVING ON. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. HAS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? IT WAS A SHORT MEETING. SHOULD BE A SHORT READ. DO YOU SEE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO. OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. CATHERINE DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? WOULD YOU STEP UP, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE? NOW THIS IS REGARDING THE LETTERS THAT YOU SENT ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING. HEARING. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN A CASE THAT YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU'LL COME UP DURING THE CASE. OKAY, I THINK I BELONG IN THE CASE. OKAY. IF YOU GOT IF YOU RECEIVED A LETTER. A NEIGHBOR. YES. YEAH. THEN IT'S SPECIFIC TO A CASE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? MR. EASTERWOOD, COULD YOU SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME? YES. BRAX EASTERWOOD 123 25TH STREET. I JUST HAD A COMMENT A LITTLE OFF MY GAME RIGHT NOW, JUST BECAUSE I JUST GOT A PHONE CALL. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WINDOWS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW CASES TODAY. TWO OF THE CASES HAVE COMMENTS ON THE WINDOWS FOR THEM TO BE ONE OVER ONE VERSUS A PATTERN EITHER 2 OVER 2 OR 1 IS A MORE CRAFTSMAN LOOKING TYPE OF WINDOW. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THOSE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN AS DESIGNED, IF POSSIBLE, RATHER THAN DOING A ONE OVER ONES. AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THE BOARD DECIDES ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR LOOKS AT JUST IN GENERAL. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MATCH EXISTING WINDOWS. WE'RE PLACING VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE ONE OVER 1 IN 1 CASE, AND THEN IN THE OTHER CASE JUST PROPOSING TWO OVER TWO'S IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. I'LL GET UP AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE CASE ON BROADWAY. BUT I WAS PLANNING ON JUST LETTING BOTH OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT TO YOU TODAY AND JUST SITTING BACK. BUT ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS JUST GOT IN A MINOR CAR ACCIDENT, SO. OH NO. SHE'S FINE. TOTALLY FINE. JUST KIND OF TOOK ME OFF MY GAME A LITTLE BIT. BUT ANYWAY, I'LL BE UP AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THOSE ARE TWO CONSIDERATIONS FOR MY CASES TODAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT A NON AGENDA ITEM. NO OKAY. WE'RE MOVING ALONG. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE FIRST ITEM WHICH IS A CONSENT AGENDA TAX VERIFICATION. EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS CASE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN WHICH YOU'D LIKE ME TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN THEN EXPLORE IT A LITTLE FURTHER? NO. EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO SEE IT. OKAY. THIS IS CASE 23LC-050. REQUEST FOR VERIFICATION AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION FOR HISTORIC PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. SO ANYTHING TO PRESENT? NO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THEY'VE MET ALL THE REGULATIONS. ALL IN FAVOR? IT IS UNANIMOUS. I HAVEN'T SEEN MILTON. DO I HAVE MILTON? HE HASN'T JOINED YET. SO CHRISTIAN ISN'T VOTING OKAY. THEN I GUESS WE ARE UNANIMOUS. WONDERFUL. OKAY. MOVING ON. NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS IS CASE 23LC-051. [00:05:03] 2309 HARBORSIDE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A NEW DOOR. SIX NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MODIFY AN EXISTING OPENING BY INSTALLING A NEW DOOR TO ENCLOSE AN EXTERIOR WALKWAY ON THE NORTH FAÇADE OF THE BUILDING. THE OPENING WILL BE ENCLOSED WITH A NEW WALL WITH A STUCCO FINISH AND A NEW METAL DOOR ON THE WEST FAÇADE AND ON THE EAST FAÇADE, THE OPENING WILL BE ENCLOSED WITH A SOLID WALL. THE NEWLY CREATED INTERIOR SPACE WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE. PLEASE NOTE THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ALONG WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS. CONFORMANCE, STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THE WALKWAY WAS CREATED IN THE 1990S AND IS NOT AN ORIGINAL FEATURE OF THE BUILDING. THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ARE APPROPRIATE AND ARE DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE HISTORIC ELEMENTS WITH THE USE OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION NUMBER ONE, AND I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES GETTING THE POWERPOINT UP, SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY PHOTOS FOR THIS ONE. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR CUT. THIS IS NOT AN HISTORIC PART OF THE BUILDING. IT'S NEW. IT'S IN THE BACK. YOU'VE GOT ALL THE PICTURES THERE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BASED ON THIS? NO. NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. GAERTNER, THE ARCHITECT, IS PRESENT. IT'S GAERTNER AND I DON'T SEE HIM. GAERTNER, NO? OKAY. HE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE WITH US. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO. SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK YOU TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE 23LC-051. SARAH. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE 23LC-051 PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. SECOND. WE'VE GOT A SECOND DISCUSSION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING, ANY COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? NO. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. THEY'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. SO THIS SHOULD BE GREAT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT IS UNANIMOUS. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO CASE 23LC-052 1124 24TH STREET. ALL RIGHTY. SO THIS IS ANOTHER COA FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ENCLOSING EXISTING REAR PORCH. THERE WERE SIX PUBLIC NOTICES SENT. NONE OF THOSE WERE RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PARTIALLY ENCLOSE THE REAR PORCH OF THE HOUSE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL. THE FOLLOWING IS A LIST OF PROPOSED MATERIALS. WOOD LAP SIGN TO MATCH EXISTING WITH DECORATIVE PANELS TO REFERENCE THE ORIGINAL PORCH. WOOD TRIM AND CORNER BOARDS TO MATCH EXISTING WINDOWS AND [INAUDIBLE] TO BE RELOCATED, AND EXISTING WOOD COLUMNS AND DECORATIVE CORBELS TO BE RELOCATED. NOTE THE SCOPE OF WORK IS FAIRLY WELL VISIBLE FROM THE AVENUE L RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM 24TH STREET. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT. STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. OTHER PORCHES AND LOCATION. NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE. REAR FAÇADE, THOUGH IT IS VISIBLE FROM AVENUE L. MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED, ESPECIALLY FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT. THE MODIFICATIONS ARE COMPATIBLE AND LARGELY REVERSIBLE. THERE'S JUST TAKING IN A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALL KIND OF SIDE PORCH. THE ADDITION PROPOSES TO MATCH EXISTING WOOD SIDING WITH THE SAME, RELOCATE AND REUSE EXISTING WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS, AND RELOCATE AND RETAIN WOOD COLUMNS AND DECORATIVE ELEMENTS. THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES TO ADD A DECORATIVE ELEMENT TO THE NEW ADDITION, TO PROVIDE A VISUAL CLUE THAT A CHANGE OCCURRED. IN THIS CASE, IT SOMEWHAT MIMICS A HANDRAIL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND OF COURSE THE VICINITY MAP SHOWING ITS LOCATION ON THE CORNER. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE ARE THE ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS SHOWING WHERE THE CHANGES WILL OCCUR ON THE EXISTING REAR PORCH. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. I'M SORRY I CAN'T PICTURE. I KNOW THIS HOUSE, BUT I CAN'T PICTURE WHERE THIS PORCH IS. IF I'M STANDING ON AVENUE L, WHERE IS IT? IN THE BACK CORNER. COULD WE GO FORWARD ONE? I THINK THAT MIGHT CLEAR IT UP. SO ON THE UPPER SUBJECT CORNER. SEE THAT LITTLE PORCH THERE? THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IF YOU WERE STANDING ON AVENUE L FACING NORTH, IT WOULD BE ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, KIND OF FACING THE BACK YARD BUT THAT LITTLE TINY PORCH THERE IS WHERE THE PROPERTY WOULD OR THE CHANGES WOULD BE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THE SOUTH AND THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. WE UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT PICTURE IN THE REPORT. [00:10:01] RIGHT. I SEE IT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. NO, NO. OKAY, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF AN ASSOCIATE OF MR. EASTERWOOD IS HERE. OR ARE WILLIAM AND MR. MRS. MATHERS HERE? WOULD THEY LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK? COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE? MY NAME IS GENOVEVA VAZQUEZ. I REPRESENT EASTERWOOD ARCHITECTS. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF, FIRST OF ALL, FOR DOING PUTTING THIS POWERPOINT TOGETHER. LIKE THEY MENTIONED, IT'S A VERY SMALL CONVERSION OF A BACK PORCH INTO A LARGER LAUNDRY SPACE IN THE BACK. ALL NEW MATERIALS WILL BE TO MATCH EXISTING AND ALL THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS AND TRIM, AND THE CORBEL WILL BE RELOCATED, AS WELL AS THE COLUMN THAT'S IN THAT NEW PART. I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. YES. IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A COMMENT. I LOVE THIS HOUSE. THIS HOUSE IS PHENOMENAL. YES. AND I SEE HERE ON THIS PORCH ENCLOSURE, YOU ADDED THESE PANELS ACROSS THE BOTTOM TO MIMIC WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN KIND OF JUST SUGGESTING THERE WAS A PORCH THERE. CORRECT. AND I LOVE THE IDEA THAT YOU LEFT THOSE NUANCES THERE INSTEAD OF JUST SEEING THIS SIDING WALL THERE. I THINK IT IS BEING VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE PERIOD OF THE ARCHITECTURE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I LIKE THAT DETAIL A LOT. SO. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU MRS. VAZQUEZ. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE 23LC-052. DO I HAVE A MOTION? OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, WE HAVE A SECOND. NANCY SECONDED. DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT? NO. I THINK IT WAS VERY WELL DONE. SO THAT MAKES OUR JOB A LOT EASIER, DOESN'T IT? OKAY. IF WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? IT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. MOVING ON TO CASE 23LC-053 1227 BROADWAY. ALL RIGHTY. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE REAR OF THE FRONT STRUCTURE AND THE FRONT AND SIDE OF THE REAR STRUCTURE. THERE WERE FOUR PUBLIC NOTICES SENT. NONE OF THOSE WERE RETURNED. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY THE SIDE AND REAR FACADES OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE AND TO ADD ADDITIONS TO THE REAR STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS ARE SUMMARIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT UNDER THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY, AND DETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL, OF COURSE, ARE INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT A. THE PARCEL CURRENTLY CONTAINS A PRIMARY DWELLING FACING BROADWAY, LIKELY BUILT AFTER THE 1900 STORM, AND REAR ACCESSORY DWELLINGS BUILT AFTER 1912, ACCORDING TO SANBORN INSURANCE MAPS. AS THIS IS A CORNER LOT, BOTH STRUCTURES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY VISIBLE FROM EITHER THE BROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY OR THE 13TH STREET RIGHT OF WAY. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED AT THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE EAST END HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE SAN JACINTO NCD. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT MAY BE APPROPRIATE. STAFF FINDS THAT THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES. EACH SECTION OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE SUMMARIZED BELOW, INCLUDING HOW THE PROPOSED DESIGN DOES OR DOES NOT CONFORM TO REMOVE AND REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS, REAR PRIMARY STRUCTURE. THE DESIGN STANDARDS DESCRIBE THE LOCATION OF THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT AS LOCATION DEEMED NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE. MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED, ESPECIALLY FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATIONS. IN ADDITION, THE WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED ARE MODERN VINYL WINDOWS INSTALLED AT AN UNKNOWN DATES, SO REPLACING THEM WITH WOOD WINDOWS CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. OF COURSE, STAFF HAS CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED WINDOW DESIGN. IT'S TYPICAL FOR US TO REQUEST ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE APPLICANT, OF COURSE, IS PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE A LITTLE MORE. STYLE. YEAH. CRAFTSMAN STYLE WINDOWS. THERE WE GO. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SINGLE PANE, ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS. TO REMOVE THE HISTORIC WINDOWS AND DOORS AT THE REAR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ENCLOSE THE WINDOW OPENINGS IN LOCATION D. SOME OF THESE WINDOWS WILL BE REUSED. [00:15:01] WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THAT. WHILE THE DESIGN STANDARDS TYPICALLY DISCOURAGE THIS ON A HIGHLY VISIBLE FAÇADE, STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT SOMETIMES IT IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE INTERIOR RENOVATIONS. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THE HISTORIC DOORS AND WINDOWS NOT TO BE REUSED AND RELOCATED, BE RETAINED ON SITE, OR BE PROVIDED FOR SALVAGE AND RE-USED BY OTHERS. RELOCATE EXISTING HISTORIC SHUTTERS AND ADD SHUTTERS TO MATCH. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL PROPOSES TO REMOVE, REPAIR, INVENTORY AND REUSE, REPLACE EXISTING HISTORIC WOOD SHUTTERS AND ADD NEW SHUTTERS TO MATCH THE EXISTING. THIS ALL CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS TO REMOVE AND RELOCATE REAR PORCH. THE APPLICANT PROPOSED TO DEMOLISH THE EXTERIOR REAR PORTION BY REAR PORCH, MEANING THE PORCH ON THE REAR STRUCTURE. THE ELEVATIONS PROVIDED IN CASE OF PORCH IS MODESTLY SIZED, DOES NOT VISUALLY OVERWHELM THE FAÇADE. IT INCLUDES THE SIMPLE SQUARE HANDRAIL DESIGN THAT IS TYPICALLY APPROVED, AND LIKEWISE PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH EXISTING REAR DECK AND STAIRS ATTACHED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE LIKEWISE CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN. THE EXISTING GARAGE APARTMENT APPEARS ON HISTORIC SANBORN MAPS, AND THE ADDITION OF ACCESSORY DWELLINGS ON THE ALLEYS IS WELL KNOWN. HOWEVER, THE DESIGN STANDARDS DO NOT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT ADDITIONS AND MODIFICATIONS TO HISTORIC ACCESSORY DWELLINGS, AND THE PROPOSED CARPORT ADDITION IN THE REAR DWELLING WILL INCLUDE WOOD TRIM AND COMPOSITION ROOF TO MATCH THE EXISTING ROOF. OVERALL DIMENSIONS AND SCALE ARE SUBORDINATE TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND THIS CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO RELOCATE HVAC PLATFORMS BEHIND THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE VISIBLE AT ALL FROM ANY RIGHT OF WAY. THIS, OF COURSE, CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL NOTES SOLAR PANELS SIZE AND QUANTITY TO BE DETERMINED. OF COURSE, STAFF RECOMMENDS OMITTING THE SOLAR PANELS FROM THIS REQUEST TO BE CONSIDERED UNDER A SEPARATE COA ONCE MORE DETAILS ARE AVAILABLE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF DESIGN AS PROPOSED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS 1A THROUGH D AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX. AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO HERE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SEEN FROM BROADWAY THIS OF COURSE IS THE FRONT HOUSE. AND THEN A VICINITY MAP. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE WE SEE THE AREAS TO BE MODIFIED. THE REAR PORCH THAT WILL BE MODIFIED, A NEW SIDE REAR PORCH TO BE ADDED. AND THEN ON THE BACK HOUSE WE HAVE AN EXISTING STAIRCASE AND DECK THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND WILL BE RECONFIGURED. AND THEN THE SMALL CARPORT ADDED ON THE SIDE OF THE REAR STRUCTURE. YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS TO BE MODIFIED THERE AND THOSE CIRCLED AREAS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OH AND WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THE AS DESIGNER CALLS IT, ASSEMBLY OF DOORS AND WINDOWS THAT WILL BE RELOCATED AND REMOVED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND WE HAVE THE VIEW OF THE REAR HOUSE PROPOSED CHANGES SEEN FROM THE BACKYARD AND THEN THE PROPOSED CARPORT ADDITION ON THE REAR BUILDING AS SHOWN FROM THE ALLEY. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. OH SORRY. ONE MORE. WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ONCE AGAIN SHOWING WHERE THESE CHANGES WILL GENERALLY BE OCCURRING. THEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ACROSS BROADWAY, TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. OKAY. A LOT TO UNPACK HERE. WHAT A GREAT HOUSE. WHAT A LADY IN WAITING. YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SEEMS LIKE SHE IS HER DANCE CARD HAS NOW COME TO THE FLOOR. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COULD I ASK, ARE SOME OF THE WINDOWS. YEAH. THAT ARE BEING REMOVED ARE THEY ALUMINUM WINDOWS NON CONFORMING ALUMINUM WINDOWS OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT PROJECT. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING WINDOWS ON THE REAR. I BELIEVE THAT WAS A REAR PORCH AT ONE POINT. MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION. I PRESUME IT WAS MAYBE ENCLOSED AT SOME POINT. THOSE WINDOWS ARE NOT HISTORIC. THEY ARE I BELIEVE VINYL. SO WE DON'T, OF COURSE HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT THOSE. RIGHT. THERE IS AN EXISTING AND YOU SAW IN THE PHOTO THEY ARE KIND OF THIS MORE HISTORIC ASSEMBLY THAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE MOVED AND POSSIBLY RELOCATED. SO THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE CURRENTLY LIKE ON THE INSIDE OF THAT PORCH ON THE BACK WALL OF THE HOUSE. OKAY. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT HAS TYPICALLY HAS PRETTY STAINED GLASS AROUND IT. OKAY. ONE OF THE CASES AND IT CAN ONLY BE THIS ONE OR THE OTHER ONE. WHEN I READ THROUGH THE CASE FILES THEY WERE REQUESTING CRAFTSMAN STYLE WINDOWS. THAT'S NOT THIS CASE. I BELIEVE IT'S THIS ONE. BUT YEAH WE CAN VERIFY THAT WITH THE APPLICANT. I DIDN'T SEE THE WINDOWS IN THE SCHEDULE REFERS TO THEM IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, BUT IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY SHOW THEM IN THE FIGURES WHAT THAT WINDOW LOOKS LIKE. AND THAT'S MORE WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL I THOUGHT IF WE'RE REMOVING VINYL OR ALUMINUM NONCONFORMING WINDOWS AND PUTTING NEW WINDOWS, [00:20:04] WHY NOT LET THEM APPEAR HISTORIC? WHY MAKE THEM HAVE ONE OVER ONE IF THEY WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PERIOD CRAFTSMAN? WHY NOT? WELL, IT'S AN 1870 NATIONAL FOLK, SO THAT'S A LITTLE EARLY FOR CRAFTSMAN. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO STAY IN KEEPING WITH WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES. WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD PERHAPS CONVEY A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS SAY ONE OVER ONE. WE DON'T NECESSARILY SPECIFY VINYL, WOOD, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT TYPICALLY ONE OVER ONE IS NOT CONFUSED WITH AN HISTORIC WINDOW. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVEN'T APPROVED OTHER AT SOME POINT. AS AN EXCEPTION. AS AN EXCEPTION. RIGHT. BUT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL PERIOD OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND AS MUCH AS I WANT TO GIVE THEM EVERYTHING BECAUSE I'M SO EXCITED THAT SOMETHING'S HAPPENING WITH THIS HOUSE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. MRS. SASS ARE AVAILABLE OR SOMEONE FROM AIA PROPERTY ARCHITECTS, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE. BRAX EASTERWOOD 123 25TH STREET. REGARDS TO THE WINDOWS, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S MAYBE THE BIGGEST QUESTION IN THIS CASE. THAT ASSEMBLY THAT DANIEL WAS TALKING ABOUT. AND THANK YOU, DANIEL, FOR YOUR STAFF REPORT. OUR INTENTION WAS TO REUSE THAT EXACT ASSEMBLY. THE WAY THAT THE ROOF. SO IT WAS AN ENCLOSED PORCH, JUST LIKE DANIEL THOUGHT. AND YOU CAN SEE ONE OF THE NEW WINDOWS RIGHT HERE. THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE, I THINK, THAT I SAW IN YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE YOU COULD SEE IT. SO ARE THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DUPLICATE WHAT WE SEE ABOVE THE WINDOW RIGHT THERE WHERE IT'S A SINGLE PANE, AND. YES. OR THE ONES ON THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE. THE TRANSOM THAT STYLE. WELL, NO, THAT SORT OF SQUARE PATTERN IN THE CORNERS. YEAH. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK. SO THOSE UPPER SASHES. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH ESSENTIALLY. IT'S REALLY IT'S KIND OF ODD BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE SOME CRAFTSMAN QUALITIES TO IT, BUT IT'S MORE OF UP TO ME. BUT IT'S OLDER THAN THAT. IT'S OLDER THAN THAT. A LOT OF OLD HOUSES UP AND DOWN, SEALY AND BALL ARE 1870S THEY'RE WEST OF 14TH THAT HAVE THAT ON THAT [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. THEY'RE SAME THING. YEAH IT'S. THEY MAY HAVE USED IT IN THE WHAT I [INAUDIBLE] CRAFTSMAN OR PRAIRIE STYLE. YEAH. IT'S CONTINUED OUT. YEAH. I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS A THAT'S JUST MY ANYWAYS CONTINUE. YEAH IT'S A REALLY SWEET HOUSE. THE THING THAT IS REALLY REMARKABLE TO ME ABOUT THE HOUSE IS THIS THE PORCH YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE, AND IT'S BEEN BOARDED UP FOR A LONG TIME, BUT FROM THAT PORCH, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST VIEW I'VE SEEN OF SACRED HEART. YOU LOOK RIGHT AT SACRED HEART WHEN YOU'RE FACING OUT FROM THAT PORCH. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A REALLY COOL THING. AND SO THE ADDITION THAT WE'RE DOING SORT OF IS TO DIRECT FLOW VIEWS IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. THE INTERIOR RENOVATION IS TO ENCAPSULATE THAT REAR PORCH AND INCLUDE IT INTO A KITCHEN. SO IN ORDER TO REUSE THAT ASSEMBLY, THE WINDOW ASSEMBLY, WE HAD TO PUT THAT ONTO THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHY THAT STAIRCASE IS COMING UP ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO JUST PUSH IT OUT TO THE BACK, IT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REUSE THE. SO. RIGHT. SO. SO THE UPPER WINDOWS ARE THE WINDOWS THAT MATCH THE UPPER SASH ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YES. OH OKAY. THAT'S A NICE DETAIL. THE ASSEMBLY. BRAX YOU HAVE TO BE AT THE MICROPHONE FOR THE RECORDING. SORRY, SORRY. SO THE WAY THAT THAT BACK PORCH WAS BUILT WITH THE ROOF, IT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO MOVE THAT WHOLE [00:25:04] ASSEMBLY OUT. WE WOULD HAVE TO DISMEMBER IT AND BREAK IT APART AND REUSE IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT THE WAY THAT IT IS AND TIE IN TO THOSE NEW WINDOWS. BUT THE EXISTING ASSEMBLY IS ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THOSE NEW STAIRS ARE. OKAY. SORRY. AND THE UPPER WINDOWS. THAT'S ABOUT IT. WILL THOSE BE NEW WINDOWS OR ARE THOSE EXISTING. THOSE ARE EXISTING WINDOWS. SO THE ONLY NEW WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE IN QUESTION ARE THE SET BACK ADDITIONS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS STYLIZED WHAT YOU'RE CALLING. YES. CRAFTSMAN I CALL EVERYTHING FOLK. NATIONAL FOLK. FOLK. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. EASTERWOOD? NO. OKAY, THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT. I'LL SAY THAT JOHN MCNATT IS THE CONTRACTOR ON THIS PROJECT. BLAKE IS POTENTIALLY THE CONTRACTOR ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GANG OUT THERE? NO. OKAY. IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 23LC-053, WITH A MODIFICATION TO STAFF'S SUGGESTIONS REGARDING THE WINDOWS THAT WE ALLOW THE WINDOWS THAT THE ARCHITECT HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. OKAY. SO WOULD YOU BE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS CASE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STRIKING NUMBER B? THANK YOU. YES. RECOMMENDATION. THE REST OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION STANDS ALLOWING THE REQUEST FOR THE WINDOWS IN THE BACK. I'M SORRY. WOULD THAT BE A OR B? YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO STRIKING A WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS B, C AND D. YES. 23LC-053 SUGGEST APPROVAL WITH OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS STRIKING A. OKAY. I'LL SECOND. SARAH WILL SECOND. DISCUSSION. I PERSONALLY AND I'M NO EXPERT AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT I AM A LOVER OF THE CRAFTSMAN ERA AND I DON'T SEE THOSE AS CRAFTSMAN WINDOWS, ALTHOUGH THEY MAY APPEAR ON SOME. CRAFTSMAN, I THINK OF THEIR EARLIER, AND I DO THINK THEY FALL INTO THE GALVESTON VERNACULAR. WE SEE A LOT OF DOORS AND WINDOWS THAT HAVE THAT PATTERN ON THEM THAT ARE 1860S, 1870S, WHICH, UNTIL SOMEONE CAN PROVE ME WRONG, WAS WELL BEFORE THE CRAFTSMAN ERA OR PRAIRIE STYLE ARCHITECTURE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN SOMEONE IS PUTTING SO MUCH THOUGHT AND ENERGY INTO A HOUSE AT SOME, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE ON THE CORNER LIKE THIS. I LOVE THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE BEEN VERY PERIOD SOFT TO THIS ADDITION, ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE NEW AND IT WILL LOOK NEW, IT'S STILL PERIOD SOFT, SO IT COMPLEMENTS THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURE, NOT DETRACT FROM IT. THAT'S MY COMMENT. ANYBODY ELSE? NO. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. OKAY. MOVING ON TO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS PROJECT GO. MOVING ON TO CASE 23LC-054 1208 CHURCH. ALRIGHTY. SO WE HAVE ANOTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS IS FOR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. SO NEW CONSTRUCTION. THERE ARE THREE PUBLIC NOTICES SENT. ONE RETURNED. THAT ONE WAS IN FAVOR. SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. THERE IS AN EXISTING ACCESSORY DWELLING THERE THAT WILL REMAIN UNTOUCHED. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR A NEW FRONT STRUCTURE BASICALLY, DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS ARE INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT A OF THE STAFF REPORT. THE PARCEL CURRENTLY CONTAINS A REAR GARAGE APARTMENT ORIENTED ALONG THE ALLEY, WHICH WILL REMAIN UNCHANGED. SANBORN INSURANCE MAPS FROM 1947 SHOW A FRONT HOUSE, WHICH WAS LOST IN A FIRE IN 1995, ACCORDING TO RECORDS PROVIDED BY THE GALVESTON HISTORICAL FOUNDATION. PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS A HIGH RAISED, ONE STORY, SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON A PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION. A PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. LET'S SEE STRUCTURE WILL BE LOCATED ON MID-BLOCK LOT WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY VISIBLE ONLY FROM THE SOUTH, LOOKING NORTH FROM CHURCH STREET. ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES INCLUDE A STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, WOOD FRAMING WITH WOOD LAP SIDING AND TRIM, WOOD WINDOWS, AND A TWO OVER TWO CONFIGURATION WOOD FRONT ENTRY DOOR WITH SIDELIGHTS, WOOD DECORATIVE COLUMNS, HANDRAILS, BALUSTERS, AND WOOD BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING TO GRADE. ONCE AGAIN REFERENCE A MORE DETAILED EXHIBIT A. [00:30:03] PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL. STAFF FINDS THAT THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH SECTION BRIEFLY. THE DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFICALLY ALLOW BOARD AND BATTEN TO BE USED AS SKIRTING FOR HIGH RAISED STRUCTURES, SO THAT CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THERE IS NO WELL ESTABLISHED PATTERN OR CONFORMITY TO THE SETBACKS OF EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK, AND THE ADJACENT STRUCTURE TO THE EAST IS ORIENTED DIRECTLY ON THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. STAFF HAS DETERMINED THE FRONT SETBACKS IS ACCEPTABLE. SIMILARLY, THERE IS NO OBVIOUS CONFORMITY TO SIDE YARD SETBACKS ON THIS BLOCK, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE SITING IN GENERAL. IN ADDITION, THE FRONT DOOR IS OBVIOUS LOCATED TO FACE CHURCH STREET, AS ARE THE STAIRCASE WHICH ONCE AGAIN CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THERE ARE A FEW TWO STORY STRUCTURES ON THIS BLOCK. THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOCK FACE CONSISTS OF HIGH RAISED, ONE STORY HOUSES WITH FEW HOUSES ON GRADE, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE BLOCK IS SIMILAR TO THIS. THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON GRADE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST STANDS APPROXIMATELY 25FT HIGH. THE STRUCTURE IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET IS A LOW RAISED ONE STORY HOUSE THAT APPEARS TO BE LOWER THAN THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE HERE, AND THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS EXHIBIT A SHOW T HE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION AT APPROXIMATELY 16.83FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL, WITH EXISTING GRADE APPROXIMATELY 6.80FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL. SET PROVIDES A TEN FOOT HIGH ENCLOSED DOWNSTAIRS GARAGE, A BIT LESS THAN THAT ONCE YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT STRUCTURAL FRAMING. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED HEIGHT AND MASSING, DUE TO CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, AND DUE TO A LACK OF ANY OVERRIDING CONFORMITY ON THIS BLOCK. THE DESIGN STANDARDS NOTE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE COMPOSED OF SIMPLE RECTANGULAR FORMS. THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS GENERALLY RECTANGULAR IN SHAPE AND FAIRLY SIMPLE IN MASSING, AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. PROPOSED ROOF GENERALLY CONFORMS IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN IS A MODERATE PITCH, GABLE ROOF FORM AND STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. THE DESIGN STANDARDS RECOMMEND THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION REFLECT ITS TIME IN ORDER TO AVOID PRESENTING A FALSE SENSE OF HISTORY. THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS GENERALLY ABSENT OF ANY DETAILS, WHICH MAY LIKELY BE CONFUSED AS HISTORIC, AND WHICH ARE NOT ALSO TYPICALLY SEEN IN NEW CONSTRUCTION. ONCE AGAIN, STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS, AND WE RECOMMEND ONE OVER ONE INSTEAD. FINALLY, THE FRONT ENTRY PORCH, ONCE AGAIN LOCATED TOWARDS CHURCH IN COMPLIANCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION, IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT ORNAMENTATION WHICH CONFORMS. AND OF COURSE, THE HANDRAILS ARE PROPOSED TO BE A SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN. FINALLY, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE RESIDENCE WE HAVE WOOD CONSTRUCTION INCLUDING HORIZONTAL LAP SIDING, WINDOWS AND WOOD WINDOWS, AND WOOD DOORS PROPOSED TO BE ALL WOOD, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND OF COURSE, STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFS ROUTINELY APPROVED EVEN FOR HISTORIC REPLACEMENT IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE MATERIAL PALETTE IN GENERAL. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF DESIGN AS PROPOSED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX. WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS, SO HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWING HOW THE HOUSE WOULD BE SITUATED ON THE LOT. I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THE DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT THAT IS SHOWN IS EXISTING. THEY'RE GOING TO REUSE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND CURB CUT THERE SO THERE'LL BE NO NEW DRIVEWAYS PROPOSED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE WE HAVE A FRONT ELEVATION DRAWING AND AN OBLIQUE DRAWING OF THE FRONT ELEVATION FROM THE ARCHITECT'S DRAWINGS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWING THE OPEN AREA WHERE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS, THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I JUST WANTED A VERIFICATION. THE FLOODPLAIN FOR THIS ADDRESS IS WHAT? I'M NOT SURE. I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS ON THE THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY. BECAUSE IT'S AT 16 FOR THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR. AND I KNOW WE ALLOW 18IN. WELL I MEAN I BELIEVE I BELIEVE THAT, YEAH. IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE HIGH. WELL, THE THE ARCHITECT MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHERE BASE FLOOD IS. I'M SURE THAT IT IS SOME DISTANCE ABOVE THAT. THE DRAWING SHOWS 12. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE BFA IS 12. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. SO THE BFA IS 12. BUT THEN THERE'S THE FREEBOARD REQUIREMENT. SO THAT 13.6 IS THE REQUIREMENT. SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER THREE FOOT OF FREEBOARD. IT LOOKS LIKE OKAY SO REQUIRED FREEBOARD IS A FOOT AND A HALF I SEE IT AMAZING WHEN YOU PUT GLASSES ON WHAT YOU SEE. SO THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. ELEVATION IS 12 FOOT. THE THREE BOARD ADDS ANOTHER FOOT SIX INCHES FOR IT. BUT OKAY, SO THAT GETS US TO 16 10 I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS THE FREEBOARD IS WHAT GETS IS WHAT'S GETTING US TO 16 AND TO THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR. THE FINISHED FIRST FLOOR IS 1610. [00:35:02] THE FREEBOARD IS THE 13 6. OKAY, SO THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FOOT. THERE IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND BECAUSE IF YOU DO BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AT 12, FREEBOARD IS 13 6. THAT GIVES ME TO 15 6. HOW DO I GET FROM 15 6 TO 1610. SO YEAH, THE FREEPORT IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN. SO THE FREEBOARD REQUIREMENT IS 13 6 OKAY. THEY'RE GOING ABOVE THAT TO 1610 OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS THAT I NOTICED THAT THE DOORS SEEM TO SWING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. THE UPSTAIRS DOOR SWINGS TO THE RIGHT. DOWNSTAIRS DOOR SWINGS TO THE LEFT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST KIND OF A REASON FOR IT. KIND OF. NO. ANYBODY? THAT WAS THE QUESTION. IS THAT A QUESTION? YEAH. THINKING IT'S A QUESTION MAYBE FOR THE ARCHITECT. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THEY SWING THE SAME I THINK. WELL, SEE I SEE A DOOR KNOB TO THE LEFT ON THE UPSTAIRS ONE AND A DOOR KNOB TO THE RIGHT ON THE DOWNSTAIRS ONE. I THINK IT'S A HINGE. IT'S AN OPEN GLASS DOOR. ARE YOU SAYING THAT I NEED GLASSES? NEW GLASSES? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, I'LL TAKE THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. OR MRS. FONTANA ARE HERE, OR A REPRESENTATIVE FOR AIA OR MR. EASTERWOOD WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. HELLO AGAIN, MISS VASQUEZ. IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN AGAIN. GENOVEVA VASQUEZ. SO LIKE, ONE THING WE WE WERE JUST MENTIONING WITH THE DOOR, THAT'S A SIMPLE RED LINE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. THEY CAN SWING BOTH THE SAME WAY. OKAY. UM, ANOTHER ISSUE WITH THE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FREEBOARD AND THE ELEVATION, IF YOU NOTICE THAT DIMENSION THERE THAT SAYS EIGHT FEET. IT'S JUST SO THAT THEY, THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE THE GARAGE SPACE UNDER TO PARK THEIR CAR. RIGHT. UM. ANYBODY ELSE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL DIMENSIONS OF THE WINDOWS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING? TRADITIONAL WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE TWO OVER TWO. WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF THAT WINDOW? UM, LIKE WIDTH BY TOTAL HEIGHT. TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO DO 36 BY 62. THAT'S A GENERAL LIKE EGRESS WINDOW. UM, SO ARE YOU ARE YOU DOING LIKE 32 BY 36? 36 WIDTH BY 62. TOTAL? YES. HEIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S A BIG WINDOW TO DO A SINGLE PANE. AND IN MY OPINION, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING TWO OVER TWO. YES. ALSO IT IT REFLECTS THE EXISTING, UM, THE CONTEXT WITHIN SEELEY STREET. LISTEN, I'M LOVING THE FACT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BEACH HOUSE. YEAH. HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THOSE IN EASTON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I LOVE THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. VASQUEZ? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE? STEP UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN, PLEASE. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MILLICENT GRYSKA. I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT WINDOWS. I REALLY LIKE THE TWO OVER TWO. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME EXCEPTIONS ALREADY IN THIS MEETING. MY HOUSE HAS TWO OVER TWO. AND IN YOUR DESIGN STANDARDS, YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT SAYS THAT THE HOUSE OR THE PROJECT SHOULD BE VISIBLE, VISUALLY COMPATIBLE WITH NEARBY HOMES. SO I'M PROPOSING THAT YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR THESE WINDOWS, BECAUSE IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION, YOU SAID THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE TWO OVER TWO. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER, TO LEAVE THE TWO OVER TWO AND NOT THE ONE OVER ONE. I THINK IT WILL MAKE IT LOOK REALLY, REALLY MODERN IF YOU HAVE THE ONE OVER ONE. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT REGARDING THE WINDOWS. [00:40:01] I HAVE A COMMENT REGARDING THE SETBACK FROM THE SIDE YARD. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE BLOCK. IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SETBACKS ON THE BLOCK. THE RED HOUSE THERE, WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY, IS EXACTLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE. APART FROM THAT HOUSE, WHICH, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S GOT A CHURCH ADDRESS. BUT THERE'S NO DOOR ON CHURCH STREET. THE DOOR IS ON 12TH STREET. IT REALLY SHOULD BE 12TH STREET, NOT CHURCH STREET. SO IT'S TECHNICALLY REALLY NOT ON MY BLOCK. OKAY, SO THAT ONE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE OF THE HOUSE, BUT THE DOOR IS AROUND THE CORNER ON 12TH STREET OVER HERE. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE BLOCK, THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS ARE MUCH GREATER THAN THE TOTALITY OF TEN FEET, WHICH THIS SITE PLAN IS ALLOWING. OKAY. ON THIS SITE PLAN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WHERE THE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY IS, THERE IS A THREE FOOT SETBACK ON THE LEFT SIDE. WHAT I CAN READ FROM THE PLAN. THERE'S A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK THAT'S ONLY TEN FEET. NO OTHER HOUSE ON THE BLOCK HAS A TOTALITY OF TEN FEET SETBACK. THEY'RE MUCH, MUCH BIGGER. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE SETBACK AND HAVE WIDE SIDE YARDS. SO THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE SETBACK OF THE BLOCK. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO SHRINK THE HOUSE IF THEY YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT LIKE WHAT YOUR GUIDELINES SAID, THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BLOCK IN TERMS OF THE SIDELINES. I HAVE ANOTHER CONCERN THAT IT SAYS HERE IN YOUR GUIDELINES, NEW DRIVEWAYS AND GARAGES THAT OPEN ONTO A PRIMARY STREET ARE NOT PERMITTED. WELL, THERE WAS AN EXISTING CURB CUT. IT EXISTS. AND IT WAS. THIS IS JUST FOR. I'M SORRY. YOU GOT EXTRA TIME. SO. OH, OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THERE WAS A THERE'S A PREEXISTING GARAGE. THIS IS JUST THE TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR STATEMENT. THE BOARD IS NOT SUPPOSED TO RESPOND. OH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, THAT'S A CONCERN THAT I HAVE. I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO FEEL INSULTED BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE ANSWERING YOU AND YOU'RE ASKING US QUESTIONS. WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WORKS. NO, NO, THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS OKAY. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IN YOUR GUIDELINES, IT SAYS THAT IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A GARAGE AND DRIVEWAY ON A MAIN STREET. THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS WE PLANTED A LOT OF TREES DURING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU MAY RECALL THERE ARE A COUPLE OF TREES THAT ARE NEAR TO THE DRIVEWAY. I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE BULLDOZED DOWN. THERE'S ALSO TREES ON THE PROPERTY THAT MAKE THE TEN INCH CUT. YOU KNOW, THE TEN INCH CALIPER CUT. OKAY, LET ME JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK. I ONE, I NEED TO ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP BECAUSE WE'RE ON A TIME FRAME AND NUMBER TWO THE TREES ARE NOT REALLY PART OF US, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAVE TWO PLANNING COMMISSION. PLANNING, PLANNING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND WE APPRECIATE IT. WE WISH EVERYBODY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. IT MAKES IT STRONGER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SORRY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. EASTWOOD, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD? REX EASTWOOD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN. I JUST PUT AN X. I WANT HIM TO SIGN IN. OKAY. YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THE REASON FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE IS TO MAINTAIN SOME KIND OF A OF A YARD BETWEEN THE HISTORIC GARAGE APARTMENT AND THE NEW RESIDENCE. AS FAR AS THE TREES ON THE SIDE, THEY WERE PLANTED AFTER IKE MY UNDERSTANDING ANYWAY, THAT THEY WERE PLANTED AFTER IKE AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS APPROACHED THE CURRENT OWNERS TO ASK THEM IF THEY COULD PLANT SOME TREES. WELL, THOSE TREES ARE GROWN NOW, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN THE IN THE WAY ESSENTIALLY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THEY WOULD FARE IF WE IF WE LEFT THEM FOR THE MOST PART. BUT AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, CONNIE, THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY A TREES AREN'T REALLY AN ISSUE UNLESS THEY'RE A HISTORIC TREE. YEAH. [00:45:01] AND THESE TREES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF SADDLED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ALLOWED THEM TO BE PUT IN IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE THESE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY CREATE DAMAGE TO THE ROOF LINE. SURE. YEAH. YEAH. AND I'M SURE THAT SHINGLES, BECAUSE THEY GROW UP AND BRUSH INTO IT IN THE STORMS AND STUFF. NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT I'M I LIKE TREES. BUT IN THIS CASE THEY'VE JUST GOTTEN TOO BIG. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE SHORT OF IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE 23LC-054. SARAH. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. CASE 23-054 STRIKING A FROM STAFF'S CONDITIONS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION. SHE'S GOING TO SECOND IT. SO WE ARE ALLOWING THE TWO OVER TWO WINDOWS. IS WHAT FOR VERIFICATION. YES. OKAY. DISCUSSION. NO COMMENTS. NO. OKAY. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF I MIGHT FOR JUST FOR THE RECORD, TYPICALLY WHEN WE HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION STAFF WILL DO A TREE. WE WILL WE WILL, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE PLANS TO SEE IF ANY MITIGATION NEEDS TO OCCUR. AND WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BECAUSE AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH THESE INSTANCES, IT'S NOT IN MY PURVIEW OR THEY WOULD ALL HAVE BIRDHOUSES IN THEM. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS 2024 MEETING SCHEDULE STAFF [INAUDIBLE]. KARINA IS GOING TO PASS OUT THE SCHEDULE AND IT IS FOR 2024. WE ARE TAKING THREE BREAKS I THINK WE TAKE A BREAK TYPICALLY WHEN THE MEETING DATE FALLS AROUND A HOLIDAY. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE INSTANCE IN WHICH WE ARE GETTING OFF OF THE SCHEDULE. IF WE KEPT TO THE SCHEDULE IN JANUARY, THERE IS A CONFLICT WITH BOTH NEW YEAR'S DAY AND MLK DAY. SO I JUST BUMPED THE FIRST MEETING DOWN BY A WEEK. SO WE DON'T WANT TO GO A WHOLE MONTH WITHOUT HAVING A MEETING. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE APPLICANTS. WE DO HAVE A MEETING IN TWO WEEKS. WE HAVE CASES. WE DO, WE DO. WE HAVE ONE CASE PENDING FOR THE 12/18 MEETING. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THAT IS JUST A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR A TRAVEL STIPEND OF UP TO $1,200 TO PAY FOR TRAVEL AND LODGING EXPENSES. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO THE DEADLINE IS FOR THE APPLICATION IS DECEMBER 8TH. SO FAR I HAVE DANIEL AND CHRISTIAN. SO ALL I NEED IS CONFIRMATION THAT YOU WANT TO ATTEND. YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. I MOVE THE EMAIL TO A SEPARATE FILE. I JUST NEED TO GET IT OUT AND REVIEW THE DATES AGAIN. OKAY? OKAY. YEAH IT IS. OH IT'S RIGHT. DANIEL GOING. YEAH. DANIEL'S GOING? YEAH. I JUST WENT TO NATIONAL TRUST SO I CAN'T HOG ALL THE CONFERENCES. OKAY. AND I'VE BEEN TO THE LAST FOUR FORUMS AND THEY'RE REALLY GOOD CONFERENCES. SO IT'S JULY 31ST THROUGH THE 24TH THROUGH AUGUST THE 4TH. SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT YOU WOULD TRAVEL ON JULY 31ST, PROBABLY AROUND MIDDAY, AND THEN COME BACK LATE IN THE DAY ON THE 4TH. TYPICALLY THE LAST DAY OF A CONFERENCE IS USUALLY JUST TILL NOON. OKAY. ANYWAY, TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE COMMISSION JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION FROM THE CLG PORTION. WE JUST SUBMITTED IT IN NOVEMBER AND REQUESTED $20,000. AND THAT WAS IT'S THE IDEA IS TO DO A SURVEY OF SITES OF IMPORTANCE TO GALVESTON'S AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF DESIGNATIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ORGANICALLY, AND IT'S REALLY MADE IT AWARE TO US THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING SOMETHING MORE PROACTIVE. I WAS DEVASTATED WHEN WE WHEN WE TORE THOSE HOUSES DOWN IN CHURCH, WHICH WERE CLEARLY THE FIRST FREED SLAVE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE EAST END, AND WE LOST THEM. AND IT JUST A NASTY BATTLE WITH AN OWNER THERE. THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN LOST, BUT THERE ARE STILL THINGS THAT ARE INTACT AND WHAT WE CAN SAVE. YEAH. SO KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED FOR THAT. WE WILL BE NOTIFIED OF THAT IN FEBRUARY. OKAY. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PORTAL TO TEXAS HISTORY, WHICH IS A PROJECT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS, TO DO SCANNING OF THESE SLIDES THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE A LOT OF SLIDES FROM LOST BAYOU IN 1993 WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY DESIGNATED. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SLIDES FROM 1994, WHICH WAS THE EXPANSION OF THE EAST END. TO USE THE SLIDES CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TO HOLD THEM UP TO THE LIGHT, AND YOU CAN'T SEE MUCH WHEN YOU HOLD IT UP TO THE LIGHT. [00:50:07] SO WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY RECEIVED THESE THREE GRANTS. IT'S NOT MONEY, IT'S REALLY THEIR TIME. SO WE SEND THE SLIDES OUT TO THEM AND THEN THEY SCAN THEM. AND WE'VE HAD $3,000 WORTH OF SCANNING DONE. THE FIRST GRANT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND THAT'S LOST BY YOU. IF YOU'LL CLICK ON THAT LINK THAT SHOULD OPEN UP THE WEBSITE. OKAY SO HERE ARE THE FIRST SET OF SLIDES. SO IT'S A PORTION OF LOST BAYOU. WHEN YOU GO TO THE PORTAL YOU CAN TYPE IN AN ADDRESS. AND IF THE ADDRESS HAS BEEN OH IS IT. OH YEAH. THAT'S YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. COOL. NICE. YEAH. SO IF YOU CLICK ON ONE KARINA WILL JUST BRING IT UP, SEE IF YOU CAN GET CHRISTIAN'S HOUSE IN IT. SO THESE ARE IMPORTANT. THAT'S A LOT OF TREES. SO YOU CAN TYPE IN YOUR THE ADDRESS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN AND SEE IF IT'S BEEN SCANNED YET. EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET THERE. BUT THIS IS GOING TO JUST BE A PORTION OF IT. BY CHANCE IS THIS FROM THE 2015 SURVEY THAT WAS DONE? NO. THESE ARE FROM 1993 OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A ELECTRONIC COPY OF THESE. AND WE'VE JUST BEEN USING THEM BY LOOKING WITH OUR EYES. AND IT'S NOT HELPFUL. BUT THESE ARE ESPECIALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THIS IS FOR WHEN THE AREA WAS BEING REVIEWED FOR DESIGNATION. SO THESE ARE ALL PICTURES OF THE HOUSES BEFORE THEY WERE DESIGNATED. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO KNOW IF THINGS ARE GRANDFATHERED. SO WE CAN LOOK AT A PICTURE FROM 1993 AND SAY, IF WE GOT SOME KIND OF COMPLAINT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE, WE CAN VERIFY THAT IT WAS IN PLACE IN 93 BEFORE. SO IT'S A SCAN THE ADDRESS, AND THEN THEY WRITE THIS REALLY DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE SCAN IS OF WHAT THE PHOTO IS OF. SO IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING ON AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE ALL OF . SO IT TAKES IT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THIS SCANNING TO HAPPEN. SO WE SENT THESE FIRST BATCH UP IN 2002, AND WE'RE JUST 2002, 2020. AND WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST GETTING THEM BACK WHEN YOU WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL. BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE ALL OF LOST BAYOU AND THE PORTION OF EAST END THAT WAS IN THE EXPANSION. WE GET THE PHYSICAL ONES BACK. AND THEN WE ALSO GET ELECTRONIC COPIES OF IT. OKAY. AND POST APPROVAL PROCESS CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE COMMISSION. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT ON THAT ONE. WELL. I HAD A RELATED CONVERSATION I WANTED TO HAVE ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THIS ON HERE OR WHAT WE WERE. I KNOW WE ALL WERE. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN WE FIND PROPERTIES AND WE HAVE THEM RED TAGGED. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE. WELL, RECENTLY WE HAD THAT ON ONE OF THE CASES THAT WE HAD APPROVED A CERTAIN WINDOW AND THEY WENT WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT. RIGHT. THIS WAS JUST WITHIN THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS. AND I SENT AN EMAIL TO CATHERINE AND SAID, HEY, HEADS UP. NEXT THING I KNOW, THERE WAS A RED TAG ON THAT DOOR, AND THE NEXT THING I KNOW, THOSE WINDOWS CAME OUT AND THE ONES THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO ON, GO IN. SO IT DOES HAPPEN. I MEAN, I'VE HAD A SITUATION. YEAH, IT'S JUST THE SAME THING. I THINK STAFF DOES A FABULOUS JOB. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THE PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T ALWAYS JUST BECAUSE YOU AND I HAPPEN TO NOTICE THAT WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE OTHER PROJECTS, THAT WE DON'T HAPPEN TO GO DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT THEM. YEAH. AND THAT IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM. WE DEPEND A LOT ON THE EYES AND THE EARS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHEN THINGS ARE GOING ON. WE I MEAN, I GO AROUND THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT WE AREN'T OUT THERE EVERY DAY CHECKING ON PROJECTS. SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DEPEND ON NEIGHBORS FOR. I STARTED WALKING IN MY NEW FITNESS PROGRAM ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO, SO ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE ON THE EAST END ARE GETTING IN TROUBLE. I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A PREVIOUS LANDMARK COMMISSION BOARD MEMBER THAT THERE USED TO BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT WAS PART OF OUR MEETINGS, AND THAT THEY WOULD THEN KNOW MORE WHAT TO GO FOLLOW UP ON. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CHANGED? WELL, DELIBERATELY OR SO I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN OUR PURVIEW AS TO WHAT HAPPENS ONCE WE'VE MADE A DECISION, AND THAT DECISION HAS BEEN PASSED OFF TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IF THEY GO OFF AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO US. THEY'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY IS AWARE OF THEM. [00:55:02] SO BASICALLY WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS POLICING THE CITY, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. AND IT REALLY I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW DONNA FELT, BUT IT LEFT A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH THAT WE WOULD GET. WHY HASN'T THIS BEEN DONE? WHY ISN'T THAT BEEN DONE? BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR JOB HERE. OUR JOB HERE IS TO LOOK AT THESE CASES CASE BY CASE BASIS AND APPROVE THEIR REQUEST OR NOT. WE'RE NOT THE IRS. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I FEEL. THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT OKAY. AND SO YEAH, COMMISSIONER, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS THAT AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THIS IS STILL THE CASE TODAY, BUT PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A MARSHAL OR A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT KIND OF HIS DISTRICT WAS SOME OF THE LANDMARKS OR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS IN GENERAL. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT WAS JUST HIS DISTRICT AND IT JUST FLOATED TO ALL THE LANDMARKS. SO I'LL CONFIRM WITH BUTCH STROUD, WHO IS OUR CITY MARSHAL, TO SEE HOW THAT IS DONE NOW, IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC OFFICER THAT SPECIFICALLY FOCUSES ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE ANYMORE, JUST DUE TO THE MANPOWER OF IT ALL. BUT AGAIN, I'LL CONFIRM WITH BUTCH HOW THAT IS DONE IF THEY'RE JUST IN NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DISTRICTS HOWEVER, IT'S BROKEN UP FOR THESE OFFICERS, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT OFFICER REPORT ON A SPECIFIC PROPERTY AS AS NEEDED AS THE REQUEST WAS MADE. SO WE WOULD AND THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. HE WOULD BRING IN AND TELL US WHICH CASES HAD COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT THEN IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER WANTED AN UPDATE EVERY THREE MONTHS AS TO WHAT THE STATUS WAS. AS EACH OF THESE CASES, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO OUR CASELOADS. HE WASN'T HERE. AND THEN WE'D ARGUE WHY SOMETHING HADN'T BEEN DONE, WHICH IS NOT REALLY OUR JOB. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I WOULD NOT PREFER TO GO BACK TO THAT, ALTHOUGH I DO AGREE WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR FINGER ON THE PULSE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND CLEARLY SAY ONE THING AND THEN GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY WHAT THEY AGREED TO. AND YOU JUST THINK, WELL, WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT? SO YEAH. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR? I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE. AND CATHERINE YOU CAN TELL ME OR NOT IF IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THIS GROUP OR NOT. BUT MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WANTS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE 2015 SURVEY AND WHAT PROPERTIES ARE DETERMINED TO BE NONCONFORMING NONCONTRIBUTING AND AND WHAT THE PROCESS MIGHT BE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDMARK CONTROL OVER THOSE BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S LOST SOME PROPERTIES. PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN REMODELED. SO THAT'S WE BELIEVE AS THEIR NONCONTRIBUTING DEEMED TO BE NONCONTRIBUTING. YES, WE FELT THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE. WE'VE HAD THAT, BUT THAT'S AN INDEPENDENT SURVEY THAT'S DONE. BUT WE CAN. YEAH, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. I HAVE A PRINT OF THE SURVEY. IT'S THE CITY'S RULES. AND JUST BECAUSE THE RULES ARE WHAT THEY ARE TODAY DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE WAY THEY HAVE TO BE GOING FORWARD. SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD. WELL, SO HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. HERE BECOMES A COMPLICATION. WE CAN'T REVIEW THOSE SURVEY IN ANY OTHER SETTING OTHER THAN A GROUP LIKE WE CAN'T BREAK OFF BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT GOING OVER THAT SURVEY AND LOOKING FOR SOME OF THESE INACCURACIES. AND THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME INACCURACIES THERE [INAUDIBLE]. THE PROBLEM IS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN REVIEW THAT THAT SURVEY IS TO REVIEW IT AS A GROUP. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THIS THICK. WELL, THAT'S THE PROJECT. IT'S HUGE. BUT IF WE HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS TAKEN THAT TO DO, WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR, OUR DISTRICT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. EVERYTHING THAT'S NONCONTRIBUTING AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AND LOOK AT THEM. AND BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUR RISKS. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S GREAT. WITH CATHERINE OR WHOEVER'S APPROVAL THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. CATHERINE SURE. YEAH. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY. WE MIGHT NOT BE READY NEXT MEETING, THOUGH. I THINK THAT'S GREAT TO HAVE THAT INITIAL. YEAH, BUT WE'LL PUT IT ON. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SURVEY AND ITS HISTORY AND YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF TOPIC. GREAT. YEAH. BECAUSE IN TOTAL THERE MAY BE MORE NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE LOCAL LANDMARKS. BUT AT LAST I THINK IN THAT SURVEY WAS DONE. IT WAS LIKE 125 HISTORIC STRUCTURES WERE SURVEYED IN THAT THING. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE DATA IN THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT, HEY, CATHERINE, CAN WE REVISIT THIS ADDRESS, THIS ADDRESS, THIS ADDRESS, I THINK THAT'S THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S GREAT. AND WE'RE STILL TALKING THIS THE SMALLEST. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK YOU ALL HAVE 80. EAST END HAS 800. IT'S CRAZY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? [01:00:01] ALL RIGHT. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. WE'LL SEE ALL YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.