Oct 21, 2025 Planning Commission

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ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE'RE GOING TO GET THE CITY OF GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING UNDERWAY.

[1. Call Meeting to Order]

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE CASE CASES? YES. REGARDING THE CURRENT LANGUAGE TO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN THE AREA WEST OF THE ISLAND OR EAST TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF STEWART BEACH PARK? THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. AND SO I'M NOT IT'S CHANGING THE LANGUAGE.

SO I JUST NEED TO KNOW, DO I NEED TO JUST RECUSE MYSELF? ON NO, NO, NOT NOT YET. NO. JUST KIDDING. VERY GOOD.

THEN WE WILL NOTE THAT THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS, AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MEETING OF THE MINUTES FOR THE SEPTEMBER 16TH

[4. Approval of Minutes]

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? SEEING NONE, WE WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES AS THEY ARE PRESENTED.

THIS IS THE PORTION OF OUR MEETING. IF YOU ARE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON A NON AGENDA ITEM, THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN DO SO. ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR 1ST CASE.

[6.A.1. 25BF-061 (13241 Oceanna Way) Notice of mitigation for disturbance of dunes and vegetation. Property is legally described as The Preserve At West Beach, Sec 8 (2010), ABST 121 , Acres 39.6264, a subdivision in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Bruce Reinhart Property Owner: Green East Realty, Inc.]

SO IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. THERE WOULD BE NO ACTION BY COMMISSION, BUT THE HEARING WILL BE HELD AT THE JUNE 4TH MEETING.

I'M SORRY. THE NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING. SO MOVING ON TO ITEM 7.A LICENSE TO USE 25P-042.

[7.A.2. 25P-042 (Adjacent to 302 21st Street/Moody) Request for a License to Use to retain construction fencing and scaffolding. Adjacent property is legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Lots 1, 2 and West 18 Feet of Lot 3 (1-1), Block 560, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Dylan DeVito, The ITEX Group, LLC. Adjacent Property Owner: Galveston 302 21st Street, LLC. Easement Holder: City of Galveston]

AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A LICENSE TO USE. 12 PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT.

0 WERE RETURNED. BY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LICENSE TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY TO RETAIN CONSTRUCTION, FENCING AND SCAFFOLDING ASSOCIATED WITH ONGOING RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING.

IN 2024, THE APPLICANT WAS GRANTED A LICENSE TO USE FOR 1 YEAR REGARDING THE PLACEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION, FENCING AND SCAFFOLDING WITH CONDITIONS, TERMS AND RESERVATIONS.

THE APPROVAL EXPIRED ON SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025, AND THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO EXTEND THE APPROVAL UNTIL 2027.

THERE WERE NO CONCERNS OR OBJECTIONS FROM OUTSIDE UTILITIES OR OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS DUE TO THE DESIGNATION OF THIS PROPERTY AS A GALVESTON LSANDMARK.

THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MAY PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING THE REQUEST.

THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER THIS REQUEST AT THEIR OCTOBER 20TH, 2025 MEETING.

STAFF RECOMMENDS CASE 25P-042 REQUEST FOR A LICENSE TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

BE APPROVED SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS 1 THROUGH 3 OF SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND 4 THROUGH 9 OF STANDARD CONDITIONS.

WE ALSO HAVE OUR EXHIBIT. WE SEE THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS TODAY NEXT.

AND THEN WE HAVE FACING THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST.

AND THIS IS EXHIBIT A THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED.

THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. I'LL JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

OKAY. VERY GOOD. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE APPLICANT HAD SOME NARRATIVE HERE TALKING ABOUT THEIR KIND OF SCHEDULE FOR THIS.

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD THIS FENCE THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.

IS THAT Y'ALL'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD? AND, YES, WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE APPLICANT HERE, AND HE CAN ATTEST TO THEIR PROGRESS.

THEY ARE AT ABOUT 90% CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR THE EXTERIOR, AND THEY PLAN TO SUBMIT THOSE SHORTLY AND HOPE TO GET STARTED BY THE BEGINNING OF 26. AWESOME. THANK YOU. SO THE CURRENT L2U WAS GRANTED IN 24.

THERE WASN'T WAS THERE ONE PRIOR TO THAT? BEFORE THAT THERE WERE SOME TEMPORARY LICENSE TO USE AND THEN IT HAD BEEN THE SCAFFOLDING WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. AND SO FOR A TIME THERE, THERE WAS NOT AN ACTUAL L2U, BUT NOW WE'RE BACK ON TRACK WITH THOSE.

OKAY, SO IT IS FENCING. IT'S NOT A WALKWAY. SIDEWALKS CLOSED.

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ANYBODY ELSE? THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, SIR. WHY DON'T YOU COME TELL US WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON? WE NEED YOU TO SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TODAY. MY NAME IS DYLAN DEVITO.

YES. SO WE ARE REQUESTING A 2 YEAR APPLICATION RENEWAL TO HELP GET US THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, WHICH IS ANTICIPATED FOR ABOUT 20 MONTHS. WE'RE LOOKING TO GET STARTED HERE WITH CONSTRUCTION, WITH BREAKING GROUND OR NOT NECESSARILY BREAKING GROUND, BUT STARTING CONSTRUCTION EARLY 2026, AS CATHERINE MENTIONED WE ARE AT 90% CDS THIS WEEK.

WE'RE LOOKING TO SUBMIT FOR PERMIT EARLY NOVEMBER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. IS THIS GOING TO BE HOUSING? IT'S GOING TO BE A HOTEL A HOTEL. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS ARE WELL UNDERWAY.

AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING IS WE GET THESE DOWNTOWN AND YOU'VE ALREADY HAD 1 THERE FOR A WHILE.

WE UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S THERE. WE WANT TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT YOU CLOSE THE SIDEWALK. AND WHEN THOSE SIDEWALKS STAY CLOSED FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SIDEWALK. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. THE ALTERNATIVE TO THIS IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD USE THE SIDEWALK. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY THAN A THAN A FENCE, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT WHERE WE'VE HAD THESE CASES BEFORE AND WE'VE GRANTED THE LTUS AND WE WE WANT TO HELP YOU.

WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE DOWNTOWN. ALL THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.

BUT WE USUALLY WHEN THESE GO INTO AN EXTENDED TIME FRAME, WE GET THE PUSHBACK.

AND THE FIX FOR US IS, IS MAKE YOU PUT A PROTECTED WALKWAY OVER THE SIDEWALK.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, SO.

I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT. SO THAT'S THAT'S OUR ALTERNATIVE. SURE.

TO TELL YOU TO DO THAT OR JUST FLAT DENY YOUR, YOUR DEAL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

BUT IS THE IS THE CONSTRAINT THE LENGTH OF THE RENEWAL? NO. WHAT HAPPENS IS THE SIDEWALKS GET CLOSED WHERE YOU ARE AND LOOK AND I'M JUST JUST SPEAKING TO YOU JUST SO I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THIS.

BUT WE HAVE THESE CASES WHERE WE'VE HAD SOME WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE FOOT TRAFFIC THAN WHERE YOU'RE AT, AND IT BECOMES A PROBLEM WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS LAST LONGER THAN YOU THINK THEY DO.

AND WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. SO JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US IN 2 YEARS ON BENDED KNEE, YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. AND CHAIR? MY APOLOGIES. AND BEFORE THE APPLICANT SITS DOWN, WE NEED TO INFORM THE APPLICANT THAT.

YES, MA'AM.

PRESENT TODAY, YOUR APPROVAL WOULD REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

SO YOU HAVE AN OPTION TO EITHER CONTINUE WITH THE CASE, OR WE CAN DEFER IT TO THE NEXT MEETING WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE, HOPEFULLY A MORE COMMISSIONERS HERE AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A UNANIMOUS VOTE.

SO THAT OPTION IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU. WE'D LIKE TO EXECUTE THIS TODAY IF POSSIBLE.

GOOD DEAL. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PROCEED. YES. I HAVE 1 QUESTION.

SURE. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU ARE PLANNING TO ALLOW FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY UNDERNEATH TO NOT PUSH PEOPLE INTO THE STREET, OR ARE YOU NOT? WITH THE CURRENT EXISTING FENCING AND SCAFFOLDING THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.

I MEAN, THEY WOULD HAVE NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN TO PROCEED INTO THE STREET.

SURE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS CORRECT. AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, IF YOU KNOW.

SO THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE. SO IN ALL FAIRNESS, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND.

WE HAVE THESE COME OUR ALTERNATIVE OF COURSE WE WANT TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO HELP THESE FOLKS.

BUT SURE. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS SOMETIMES THEY GO INTO AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

ALTERNATIVELY, WE COULD DENY THAT, BUT THEN THAT CREATES AN EVEN BIGGER SAFETY HAZARD.

SO ALTERNATIVELY, THEY CAN BUILD A STRUCTURE SO THAT THE SIDEWALK IS OPEN, PEDESTRIANS CAN USE IT.

RIGHT. AND IT WOULD PROTECT TO PROTECT THE PEDESTRIANS.

BUT THERE'S A GREATER COST AND EXPENSE. UNDERSTOOD.

BUT THAT'S NOT BEING PROVIDED INITIALLY. NO, SIR.

OKAY. JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. YES, SIR. OF COURSE.

THANK YOU, MR. WALLA, FOR THE EXPLANATION. AND, CATHERINE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS.

THE CURRENT FENCING HAS ALREADY BEEN UP FOR 2 YEARS OR A YEAR AND A HALF.

OH MY GOSH, LONGER THAN THAT. YEAH, I'D SAY 4 TO 5 YEARS.

CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S A LONG TIME I'VE PARKED THERE BECAUSE I'VE GONE TO EVENTS DOWN THE STREET OR ACROSS THE STREET.

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BUT TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT ABOUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT MAKING THE SIDEWALK USABLE? CATHERINE? WELL, WE'VE STRESSED TO THE APPLICANT THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT IN A TIMELY MANNER. WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT, AND THAT WAS VERY MUCH THEIR POINT OF VIEW, IS THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME URGENCY FROM OUR SIDE AS WELL.

BUT TO THE POINT OF JUST MAKING THE SIDEWALK ACCESSIBLE FROM THE ALLEY TO MECHANIC, WAS THAT NOT PART OF ANY CONVERSATION? IT'S NOT BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION. THIS THIS APPROVAL ALLOWS FOR THEM TO CLOSE THE SIDEWALK COMPLETELY.

IF THIS APPROVAL IS NOT ALLOWED. IT'S NOT APPROVED.

THEN THEY THEIR OPTION IS TO PROVIDE THE SHIELDED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SIR.

APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

SO I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 25P-042 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND THAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.

THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. 7.B TEXT AMENDMENT

[7.B.3. 25PA-004 Text Amendment to Chapter 29 "Planning — Beach Access Dune Protection and Beach Front Construction" of the Code of the City of Galveston to modify regulations to Beach Access.]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. YES. THIS IS A REQUEST TO MAKE SOME TEXT CHANGES CHANGES TO OUR BEACH ACCESS PLAN.

CURRENTLY CERTIFIED BEACH ACCESS PLAN. THE 1ST CHANGE IS TO THE RESTRICTED USE AREA JUST EAST OF STEWART BEACH. WE WERE APPROACHED BY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.

RIGHT NOW, THE RESTRICTED USE AREA BASICALLY ENDS HALFWAY THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THEY APPROACHED US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S UNIFORM BEACH ACCESS IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, ABOUT EXTENDING THE RESTRICTED USE AREA BY 1000FT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS, IS TO, TO EXTEND THAT.

AND THEN THE OTHER TEXT CHANGE IS CLEANING UP SOME LANGUAGE OUT AT ACCESS POINT 13 FOR POCKET PARK 3.

WHEN WE DID THE AMENDMENT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE WERE ACTIVELY DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE.

SO WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE THAT, AT YOU KNOW, WAS KIND OF WHILE WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION AND ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH GLO, ONCE WE CAME BACK WITH ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT WE WOULD CLEAN UP THAT LANGUAGE OUT THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS FOR FOR ACCESS POINT 13 IS JUST KIND OF CLEANING UP SOME, SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE AND GETTING THAT UP.

SO THAT'S THOSE ARE THE 2, THE 2 AMENDMENT TEXT CHANGES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS EXTENDING THE RESTRICTED USE AREA TO THE EAST TO MAKE IT UNIFORM IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH OF IT, AND THEN JUST CLEANING UP LANGUAGE IN ACCESS POINT 13 FOR POCKET PARK 3.

SO, KYLE, YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING THE ON THE MAP.

THERE'S AP -1.C. YOU'RE MAKING THAT LONGER. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. SO ACCESS POINT. ACCESS POINT 1.C IS THE OFF BEACH PARKING LOT AND THE RESTRICTED USE AREA.

SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE RESTRICTED, BASICALLY EXPANDING IT BY ABOUT 1000FT.

TO THE WEST. TO THE EAST. OH, TO THE EAST? TO THE EAST.

YES, IT'S BORDERED ON THE EAST. I MEAN, ON THE WEST BY STEWART BEACH.

UNDERSTOOD? UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THE THE BLACK AND WHITE LINE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE. AND SO CURRENTLY THE RESTRICTED USE AREA BASICALLY ENDS ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SO THE LANDOWNER IS JUST THEY WANT TO JUST MAKE IT UNIFORM IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU JUST CONFUSED ME. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE.

RIGHT NOW THE RESTRICTED USE AREA IS IN FRONT OF THE OF THE HOMES OR TO THE EAST.

IT'S THAT'S. BECAUSE I SEE THE. I KNOW WHERE THE PARKING AREA IS AT.

RESTRICTED USE AREA GOES FROM HERE TO ABOUT HERE.

SO YOU'RE. SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR IT TO EXTEND IT FROM THERE TOWARDS THE ISLAND OR EAST? YES. GOTCHA. OKAY. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW, RESTRICTED USES ARE JUST VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

RESTRICTED USE AREA. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN DRIVE VEHICLES IN THAT AREA ARE ADA, FISHERMEN OR PEOPLE LAUNCHING NON-MOTORIZED VESSELS.

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OKAY. AND VETERANS. AND VETERANS. YES. YES, SIR.

AND RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT IN A VEHICLE IS COMING OUT BY THE SANDPIPER RESORT, COMING THROUGH STEWART BEACH. STEWART BEACH. I KNOW THERE'S A ROAD THAT COMES THERE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A TICKET BOOTH OR SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

THERE'S ONLY ONE STILL ONE ACCESS. IT'S JUST EXPANDING IT MORE TO THE TO THE EAST.

GOTCHA. OKAY. AND THEN WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SIGNAGE ABOUT THIS IS RESTRICTED AND.

WHITEBOARD HAS SIGNAGE UP AT STEWART BEACH. YES.

AND THEN WE THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SIGNAGE AND WE WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD, BUT THEY HAVE IT COMING IN THROUGH US, THROUGH STEWART BEACH AND THEN THEIR KIOSK AT THE.

WHEN YOU FIRST COME ON TO STEWART BEACH, THEY ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY SAYS THEY'RE GOING OUT THERE, THAT THEY'VE GOT THE APPROPRIATE FISHING LICENSE OR ADA PLACARD OR THEY'RE HAULING SOME TYPE OF VESSEL.

IT WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL OUT THERE TODAY. PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE FISHING. SO RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE YOU SAID THAT HALFWAY POINT, THAT'S WHERE THOSE POSTS ARE. THAT INDICATES THE HALFWAY POINT. YES, SIR. AND THE CITY WILL REMOVE THOSE. YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU. AND THEY WILL BE MOVED TO THE THAT BLACK AND WHITE LINE IS EAST.

OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WEST END STUFF TOO, SO THAT I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THIS, WE HAD A THERE WAS A HANDICAP AREA ON THIS ON AP-13.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH WE REMOVED THAT THAT. SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THE AMENDMENT WE WERE LOOKING AT REMOVING SOME OF THE SOME OF THE AREA HERE AT THIS, THIS SPECIAL USE AREA. SO WE DESIGNATED OTHER AREAS ON THE WEST END AS ADA ONLY KIND OF ACCESS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE SUPPLYING THAT TO THE PUBLIC. CITY COUNCIL DID NOT VOTED NOT TO REMOVE ANY OF THE RESTRICTED USE AREA AT THAT TIME.

SO THAT PULLED BACK THOSE DESIGNATED AREAS AT ACCESS POINT 13.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE TIT FOR TAT. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT.

YOU'RE EXPANDING IT ON ONE END BUT YOU GET TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THE OTHER END. NO NO NO NO NO.

THIS IS THIS IS JUST THIS. THIS ONE IS JUST EXPANDING.

BUT WHEN WE DID THE AMENDMENT, WE WERE AT ACCESS POINT 13.

WE WERE UPDATING THE PARKING LOT. SO WE HAD THAT.

KARINA, CAN YOU PULL UP THE LANGUAGE? SO YOU SEE DOWN THERE UNDER AMENITIES, WE HAD LIKE AN ASTERISK THAT WE HAD WE WERE SUPPLYING ON BEACH PARKING BECAUSE WE THE THE PARKING LOT HAD TO BE IMPROVED.

AND SO WE HAD THAT LITTLE ASTERISK THAT ONCE WE IMPROVED THE PARKING LOT, WE WERE GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE ORCHARD BEACH PARKING.

GOT IT. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE JUST CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE THAT PARKING LOT IS IS IS DONE OUT THERE.

WE'RE TAKING THIS OUT JUST SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

WE ARE STILL LEAVING ABOUT 100FT BECAUSE WE WE DID CLOSE IT DOWN THIS YEAR, AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS CHARGING THE BEACH USER FEE OUT THERE.

THEY SAID THAT JUST FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL, THEY ASKED IF WE COULD STILL LEAVE A LITTLE BIT AN ACCESS POINT, 13, LIKE 100FT. JUST PEOPLE COMING DOWN, TURNING AROUND AND STUFF, JUST.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. BUT IT'S BASICALLY JUST KIND OF CLEANING UP, YOU KNOW.

WHAT WE WERE DOING REPAIRS ON THE PARKING LOT.

UNDERSTAND? OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH. DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WAS ASKING FOR THIS TO BE EXTENDED? YES, SIR. INTERESTING. YEAH. THEY SAID THEY WANTED THEY WANTED CONSISTENT ACROSS THE ACROSS THEIR PROPERTY.

YOU KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT. AND IF THEY THEY SAID WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT JUST KIND OF CONSISTENT.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON AP-1.C THE THE WALKOVER FOR FOR THE PUBLIC PARKING IS THAT IS THAT MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OR IS THAT WITH THE DEVELOPER.

THE DEVELOPER MAINTAINS IT. YES SIR. SO YEAH, THEY THEY MAINTAIN MOST OF THE THOSE PARKING LOT WALKOVERS.

THE WHOEVER REQUESTED THE, YOU KNOW, REMOVING THE VEHICLE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEM.

OKAY. AND LIKE THE POCKET PARKS WE MAINTAIN THOSE WITH THE COUNTY'S THINGS LIKE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

YES, PLEASE. WHAT IS THE WHERE IT SAYS AP-1.C EAST OF. WHAT IS SLATED TO GO THERE. WHAT DEVELOPMENT? THE. WELL, THE. THERE'S A RESORT THAT'S SCHEDULED RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN THERE'S SOME THE COTTAGES THAT ARE SCHEDULED TO GO THERE.

AND THAT DEVELOPER IS THE ONE THAT REQUESTED THIS, THAT IT'S OPEN THAT IT ACCESS IS OPENED UP.

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AND SO IF THIS TEXT AMENDMENT GOES THROUGH, WE'RE REALLY ENVISIONING IT TO BE PERMANENT, UNLESS THERE'S SOME SORT OF REASON THAT THE CITY ITSELF WANTS TO CHANGE IT. AM I CORRECT WITH THAT? YEAH. YES. YEAH. SURE. BECAUSE THERE HAD BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AROUND THIS AREA PREVIOUSLY.

CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ON WHAT THAT DISCUSSION WAS? DID WE WANT TO CLOSE IT OR EXPAND IT? OR THE INITIAL? WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, IT WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT REDUCING IT BY 1000FT.

OKAY. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HAD A DISCUSSION AND WE DISCUSSION AND THEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND, AND THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT TIME SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OKAY WITH LEAVING IT, LEAVING IT OPEN. WE DIDN'T. AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND IT.

YEAH. THEY WANT TO EXPAND IT. SO, YOU KNOW THEY ARE FOR THEIR FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT DOING DUNE WALKOVERS AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW FROM THE GRANT PRESERVE, PEOPLE CAN TAKE GOLF CARTS OUT THERE AND GO FISHING.

SO THEY LIKE I SAID, THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT AND OPEN IT UP.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW THAT HALF OF THEIR PROPERTY HAS IT'S RESTRICTED USE AREA.

SO LET'S OPEN IT UP. SO, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY BUYS ONE OF THE PROPOSED COTTAGES OR SOMETHING THAT'S ADA OR FISHING OR SOMETHING.

LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE FROM GRAND PRESERVE USE IT.

THAT WAS A COMMENT THAT GLO CAME ABOUT THE PUBLIC.

THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT REDUCING THAT TO PEOPLE SAID, WELL, PEOPLE FROM GRAND PRESERVE DRIVE GOLF CARTS ONTO THE BEACH.

AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THEY CAN IF THEY'RE FISHING OR ADA OR WE DON'T RESTRICT WHERE THEY COME FROM.

WE JUST RESTRICT THAT TO BE USED IN DOING ONE OF THOSE OR VETERAN BE ONE OF THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS.

SO THAT WAS I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY, LIKE WE HAVE IT HERE.

SO LET'S JUST MAKE IT UNIFORM ACROSS. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT.

UNDERSTOOD. AND KYLE, JUST REMIND ME, PLEASE.

THE PUBLIC BEACH STARTS AT THE END OF THE LINE OF VEGETATION.

THAT IS WHAT THE CODE. THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS.

BUT AFTER THE SEVERANCE AND IN YOU KNOW, THE GLO IS, IS REALLY HESITANT ABOUT SAYING EXACTLY WHERE THE PUBLIC BEACH IS AT BECAUSE THE SEVERANCE CASE ON THE COURT CASE HE'S. THEY USED TO, YOU KNOW, USE IF THE VEGETATION AND VEGETATION MOVED, YOU KNOW, FROM A STORM. AND SO THERE WAS SOME COURT CASES.

SO NOW THEY'RE REALLY HESITANT ABOUT. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS.

BUT OKAY, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE THERE'S A NICE THERE IS A NICE STRETCH OF BEACH AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY NICE VEGETATION AND GROUND COVER, WHICH IS GOOD FOR THE ISLAND. AND THE DUNES SEEM TO BE PRETTY HEALTHY IN THAT LITTLE STRETCH.

BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM ON, YOU KNOW, BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT GETTING INTO THE INTO THE DUNES ON THE PUBLIC BEACH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? 1 OF THE GREAT LEGAL MINDS OF OUR CITY.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF. PLEASE, SIR. MY NAME IS GUS NOBLE.

I'M AN ATTORNEY FOR THE APLICANT. 2200 MARKET STREET, SUITE 300.

100. I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO SAY OTHER THAN I HEARD WHAT KYLE SAID.

AND IT REPRESENTS THE APPLICANT'S BELIEFS HERE, SO.

SOUNDS GOOD. I JUST HAVE 1 COMMENT. I'M. HATS OFF, AND KUDOS TO YOUR CLIENT FOR BEING A DEVELOPER AND SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HAVE MORE BEACH ACCESS.

SO I'M I THINK THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? BUT I'M MY HATS OFF TO THOSE GUYS. SO TELL THEM THANK YOU.

YEAH I WILL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANKS, GUYS. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 25PA-004 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 25PA-004 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.

THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. SO I WILL BE TAKING THIS TO CITY COUNCIL.

CITY COUNCIL? YES. ARE WE TAKING TO CITY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER? IF THEY APPROVE IT, THEN I WILL BE PREPARING A PACKAGE TO SEND TO GENERAL GENERAL LAND OFFICE.

IT WILL BE POSTED INTO THE TEXAS REGISTER FOR 30 DAYS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

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WE MAY HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS.

ONCE THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN WE'LL BE WORKING WITH SUBMITTING UP TO GLO IF THEY IF THEY APPROVE IT.

ALL RIGHT. THANKS, KYLE. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEM 8.A.

[8.A. Discussion of joint meetings with City Council beginning January 2026 (Staff)]

SO KARINA IS PASSING OUT THE AGENDA ITEM AS I PULLED IT OFF OF THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE, REGARDING HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.

AND SO I THINK WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR OUR EX OFFICIO.

AND I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OR THE VISION OR THE GOAL. THE DATES OF THE MEETINGS WERE ON THE AGENDA, AND I BELIEVE THE FORMAT IS FOR ALL 3 OF THE SPECIFIC ENTITIES TO BE TO HAVE THEIR MEETING ON THE SAME DAY MAYBE 9 TO 11, 11 TO 1, 1 TO 3, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT ORDER THE ENTITIES WOULD BE IN, BUT I KNOW THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD SOME QUESTIONS, AND SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT OKAY. SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE WHERE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE 3 ENTITIES.

SO MY QUESTION IS THIS IF WE'RE GOING TO COME WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM COMING AND MEETING YOU GUYS.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST, THOSE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN VERY CONSTRUCTIVE.

BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE BUSY AND DON'T WANT TO JUST CHAT ABOUT SOMETHING FOR 30 MINUTES.

SO JUST MY OFF THE TOP OF THE HEAD RESPONSE TO THAT AT OUR LAST DEAL WAS IF I HAD TO PICK SOMETHING TO COME TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WOULD PROBABLY BE PUDS, JUST TO KIND OF GET A CONVERSE, HAVE A CONVERSATION OF WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM. BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY REFINE A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN, WHEN WE SEE A PUD THAT'S WANTING TO CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL LOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO? REMEMBER, WE WORK FOR YOU.

WE DON'T WANT TO GO DO A BUNCH OF WORK, AND THEN YOU GUYS GO, HEY, IT'S A BAD IDEA.

WE'VE ALSO HAD HUD CASES IN THE PAST WHERE THERE WERE A LOT OF DEVIATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, THE DEVIATIONS KIND OF LAYERED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.

THAT CREATED SOME PROBLEMS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE LAST TIME THAT WE WENT AND MET IN A WORKSHOP, IT WAS NOT ABOUT THAT THAT HUD WAS THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD SIZED HUD THAT WAS BEING WORKED ON AND PLANNING, SO WE REALLY COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS WE JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION.

I'M, I THINK WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO COME MEET WITH YOU.

I THINK IT'S A IN GENERAL, IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN IDEA WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? WELL, AGAIN I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS ASSOCIATED CORRELATED IN CONJUNCTION, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE 2011 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT WAS COMPREHENSIVE IN 2011 IS BY FAR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT COMPREHENSIVE IS DEFINED BY NOW. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF THAT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS, A LOT OF THE REQUESTS THAT ARE MADE FOR PUDS TO ME ARE ROOTED YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF A DEVELOPER OR INDIVIDUAL OWNERS OR ARE ROOTED IN THE FACT THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT MUCH DEFINITION THAT CORRELATES IN 2025 OR AS MUCH CORRELATION FROM 2025 TO 2011. AND SO I THINK THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE QUITE A CONCURRENCE BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. AND SAYING THAT THAT'S PROBABLY 1 OF OUR BIGGEST ISSUES.

AND WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT.

WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STUFF? YEAH. OKAY. SO MY UNDERSTANDING.

HELP ME WITH THIS IS THAT'S BEING WE HAVEN'T SEEN I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE APPROPRIATED THE MONIES TO HAVE THAT DONE.

WELL, WE WE THINK SO. WE HAVEN'T SEEN. YEAH. WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, FOR US I MEAN THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S

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YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. IT HAPPEN TOMORROW.

AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN MULTIPLE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS.

OKAY. MULTIPLE LITERALLY, SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE 18 MONTHS I'VE BEEN ON IT SO FAR, BECAUSE PART OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BUDGET AND GETTING YOU KNOW, GETTING DONNA MIGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO POP IN ON THIS 1, BUT GETTING CONFIRMATION THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY THE MONEY IN THE BANK AND SUPPORT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, IT BEING PAID FOR 1. 2, WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT FIND IT EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO SPEND AND INVEST A LOT OF TIME WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO DEVELOP THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING IT'S 14 YEARS OLD. BUT GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE THINK? HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT PUDS? IS IT A PROBLEM? ALL OF THOSE. YES. AND ABOVE. SO I YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY WHAT WAS DISCUSSED IN CITY COUNCIL WAS THAT WE FELT LIKE 2 MEETINGS INSTEAD OF LIKE MEETING AT ONCE A QUARTER.

WE FELT LIKE 2 MEETINGS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE EX OFFICIOS ON OUR PLANNING, I MEAN ON OUR COMMISSIONS, SO THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY PRESSING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNICATION LINE TO ME IS ROOTED IN IS.

RUSTY TELLS BO, HEY, BO, THIS IS BS AND WE NEED TO DO ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD NEVER SAY SUCH A THING. AND YOU KNOW, AND I YOU KNOW, I BRING IT I BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND WORKSHOP AND WE DISCUSS IT.

SO SO YOU'RE HEARING, HEY, WE WANT WE WANT TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE COMP PLAN.

WELL, NO, THERE'S WAY MORE THAN JUST CONVERSATION.

THERE IS THERE IS A POINT IN TIME, I THINK, THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD WE'VE DESIGNATED INDIVIDUALS, AS ARE, YOU KNOW, AS OUR REPRESENTATIVES ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PLAN COMMITTEE.

I'M SORRY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMP PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROBABLY COME TO THIS COMMISSION IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN WORKED UP YET. AND THE DISCUSSION ITEM IS JUST ABOUT JOINT MEETINGS, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO FOCUS ON THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.

WE'RE JUST. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IS TWICE A YEAR GOOD FOR US.

IS TWICE A YEAR FROM WHAT I'M HEARING IS TWICE A YEAR GOOD FOR YOU.

BUT ALSO WHAT IS IT THAT I GUESS THE PROCESS IS IT HAVING BRINGING UP? IS IT COMMISSIONERS BRINGING UP. WE WANT TO TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT PUDS OR IS IT COUNCIL BRINGING UP? WE WANT TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT PUDS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING. I KIND OF LIKE THIS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO GO HERE.

HEY, THIS COMP PLAN STUFF'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE.

THIS IS OUR MINDSET ON THIS SO THAT WE CAN SHARE THAT AMONGST OURSELVES.

SO WHEN IT LANDS HERE, WE ALREADY HAVE AT LEAST SOME DIRECTION.

SO THIS IS I THINK IT'S THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO AND LISTEN TO.

THAT IS GREAT TO SAY. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK INTO, AND THESE ARE OUR THOUGHTS ON IT. THE ONLY REASON WHY I WOULD SAY WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN IN THE FUTURE, IS BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALREADY IN DISCUSSIONS ELSEWHERE, AND IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM RIGHT NOW.

THE FUNDING, THE FOLKS ON THE BOARD, ALL THAT STUFF IS BEING HANDLED ELSEWHERE.

AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ON THIS THURSDAY, CITY COUNCIL REGULAR OR WORKSHOP MEETING.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THESE MEETINGS ARE GOING TO RUN OR HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF WE. I DON'T THINK FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE THE BOSS.

WE WORK FOR THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, I IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR WHAT THEY WOULD GET FOR THEM TO GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON THESE TYPES OF ITEMS. I MEAN, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY GO, HEY, GUYS, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THIS, BUT WE WANT TO KNOW, GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS. AND THAT'S HOW I SEE THIS.

WHEN WE DID THIS ONCE BEFORE. I'VE DONE IT ONE TIME AND WE DID THE BROADWAY DEAL AND IT WAS VERY,

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WE WERE BRINGING WE HAD THEY HAD ASKED ACTUALLY WE GOT REQUESTED COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT FROM US.

WE DID THE WORK AND WE SHOWED UP AND SAID, HEY, HERE'S WHAT WE CAME UP WITH.

AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM. AND THEN WE CAME BACK AND WE KIND OF FINALIZED IT.

SO THAT WAS THAT WAS VERY, VERY GOOD. BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF COUNCIL TELLING US, GIVING US THE DIRECTION.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE TO GO.

YEAH, HONESTLY. YES, THAT IS A MAJOR WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO.

AND I KNOW THAT PREVIOUSLY THE COMMISSIONERS ALSO HAD THINGS THAT CONCERN THEM, AND THEY WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE EX OFFICIO ATTENTION.

SAY, HEY, HOW WOULD COUNCIL FEEL ABOUT US TALKING ABOUT THIS? AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON THESE TYPES OF ITEMS. SO I DO THINK IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, GOING BOTH WAYS.

BUT THIS COMMISSION REALLY WORKS ON THE DIRECTIVE OF THE COUNCIL.

YEP. YEAH. SO OKAY, I THINK I YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M GETTING THE GIST OF WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS AS FAR AS THE DISCUSSION OF THE WARS BOARD. THE THE PARK, THE THE PARKS BOARD AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT WE FELT LIKE TWICE A YEAR AS FAR AS A COMPREHENSIVE MEETING.

I THINK WOULD BE WOULD BE WOULD BE GOOD. IN THE MEANTIME, AND IN THE INTERIM YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT ANYBODY ON THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FEELS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET DISCUSSED OR TO GET SOME THOUGHTS ON, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN PUT ON A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM IN BETWEEN THE MEETINGS.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK MY PURPOSE IS HERE FOR. AND, YOU KNOW, I AND WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE, BO.

AND THE PROBLEM IS, IS WE COME UP WITH A, WITH A BIG LAUNDRY LIST THAT, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES WHO GET TO PICK AND TELL US WHICH ONES YOU WANT US TO WORK ON.

WE'VE DONE THAT. WE'VE SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT.

I JUST, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE PUDS, AND THAT'S WHY PUTTS INSTANTLY COME TO MIND FOR ME.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM. WE CAN'T BE WITHOUT THEM.

BUT IT'S YOU KNOW. HEY, COUNCIL, DO Y'ALL THINK THAT THE PROCESS WE HAVE IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO SPEND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO SPEND SOME TIME DOING SOME WORK ON BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO DO ALL THE WORK AND WE SHOW UP AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT. WE WANTED YOU TO WORK ON THE COMP PLAN.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF GOING IN CIRCLES.

SO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT I THINK THE IMMEDIATE QUESTION WAS, DO WE FEEL LIKE TWICE A YEAR, TWICE, TWICE A YEAR IS GOOD? YES. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON.

AND IN THE INTERIM, IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT COME UP THAT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE KICK THIS, YOU KNOW, IN FULL GEAR, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BEING CREATED, WHICH COULD TAKE 6 OR 12 MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT EX OFFICIO BY THEN.

SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID IT, AS OF NOW, TWICE A YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS MEETING WITH THE 3 BOARDS THAT I NAMED COMMISSIONERS THAT I NAMED. AND IN THE MEANTIME I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS JUST COMMUNICATE IF THERE ARE THINGS COMING UP OR COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS AND WORKSHOP THERE AT COUNCIL LEVEL.

FAIR ENOUGH. I LIKE IT. AGAIN, I, I THINK TWICE A YEAR IS SUFFICIENT.

WE JUST NEED TO DO IT. SO. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? SORRY. I DID ALL THE TALKING. I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.

DONNA, IS THERE A FORMAT THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD PREFER? WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? MIDDLE? LAST? USUALLY WORKSHOPS START AT 9.

CLEARLY, THEY'LL BE ON A THURSDAY. I MEAN, ANY OTHER GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT, IF NOT ALL? OR I SHOULD SAY, IF 4 MEMBERS AREN'T PRESENT, WOULD YOU WANT A REPRESENTATIVE SPEAKER FOR THE COMMISSION? I MEAN, THOSE ARE THINGS YOU CAN ALL DISCUSS NOW.

SO THE WAY WHEN WE DID THIS PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS ME AND STEVEN WENT.

SO STEVEN AT THE TIME WAS THE WAS THE VICE CHAIR.

AND SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU KNOW, ANY AND ALL COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TIME LIMIT AND YOU KNOW ME, I CAN TALK TOO MUCH.

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BUT IF IT IS AN ITEM THAT A SPECIFIC COMMISSIONER HAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN, HAS PURSUED THAT. I THINK THAT THAT COMMISSIONER SHOULD CERTAINLY BE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE CONVERSATION.

SO AND I THINK THE COMMISSION CAN COLLECTIVELY DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

SO. DOES THAT SOUND GOOD TO YOU GUYS? SOUNDS GREAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANTHONY. YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN ADVANCE, LIKE BY MAYBE THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING.

PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF DECEMBER. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT? DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. ARE WE CLOSE TO THE SAME PAGE? SO WE HAVE SOME TIME TO PREPARE FOR THAT? BECAUSE IF IT'S GOING TO BE A MARATHON DAY, WOULDN'T IT BE, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY MY THING IS ZONING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ALL THAT FITS IN. SO IF WE COULD GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY BY, YOU KNOW, THE DECEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE. SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. YEAH. AND I'M GOING TO SAY I'D SEE THE FIRST ONE. IS THIS GOING AND COUNCIL GIVING US SOME DIRECTION THERE.

THEY'RE GOING TO I THINK THEY SHOULD GIVE US THEIR WISH LIST.

OKAY. AND WE WORK FROM THERE. WE CAN MENTION THESE THINGS TO THEM, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS TO GET SOME DIRECTION.

HEY, THESE ARE SOME ITEMS WE'D LIKE FOR YOU TO WORK ON OR SPEND SOME TIME ON.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT? AND THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AND MAKE THEM WORK IN OUR AGENDA.

SO I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON THEIR WISH LIST OF HEY, THESE ARE THE ITEMS WE SEE.

WE CAN MENTION MENTION THEM, YOU CAN MENTION THEM.

WE'RE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THEM RIGHT NOW. SO I MEAN, WHEN WE GET THERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE FOR US.

I'M JUST CAN WE GET SOME OF THAT BEFORE JANUARY I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE GET SOME OF THIS BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. I MEAN, LIKE IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE ARE.

I MEAN, BUT IF WE'RE IF WE'RE IF WE'RE RELYING ON GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME OF THIS GUIDANCE BEFORE THE END OF DECEMBER.

WELL, THAT'S JUST THE WHOLE IDEA OF GOING TO BEGIN WITH. I MEAN, I THINK BUT SURELY THEY KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS NOW THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT JOINT MEETINGS ABOUT, IS JUST TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION OF THINGS THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM COUNCIL OR GET SOME DIRECTION ON AND YEAH, AND, AND OPEN THAT DISCUSSION UP TO, TO HAVE.

WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE THIS SO FAR WITH SORRY.

SO FAR WE'VE DONE THIS WITH BOTH OBVIOUSLY TOO MANY TIMES INITIALLY WITH THE PARK BOARD AND WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] BOARD, AND THEY ACTUALLY BECAME EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE AFTER A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THE PARK BOARD AND THEN, OF COURSE, WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] BOARD. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SUPER PRODUCTIVE, AND IT'S KIND OF BEEN MORE OF A ROUND TABLE OF INTRODUCTION AND DISCUSSION AND HAPPENINGS. YOU KNOW IT TO ME. I FELT IT, IT OPENED THIS LINE OF COMMUNICATION THAT I THINK WE'VE KIND OF BEEN LACKING LATELY.

SO. SO WHEN WE KNOW WHEN OUR DATE IS, ARE WE DOING JANUARY THE 15TH, OR IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE RANDOM DATES THAT ARE IN HERE? SO THE WHAT I PASSED OUT HAS THE OH, THESE ARE THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO THIS THIS IS WHEN IT WOULD BE WOULD BE JANUARY THE 15TH.

SO THE 15TH WOULD BE THE 3 COMMISSIONS BESIDE IT.

AND JULY 16TH WOULD BE THE SECOND MEETING WITH ALL THREE COMMISSIONS FOR THAT DAY.

SO, CATHERINE, WHAT'S WHAT'S OUR AGENDA LIKE IN DECEMBER? WHAT'S OUR MEETING AGENDA IN DECEMBER? WE HAVE 2 SCHEDULED MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.

THOSE DEADLINES ARE STILL IN THE FUTURE, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGENDAS WILL BE LIKE.

BUT THE DATES ARE DECEMBER 2ND AND DECEMBER 16TH.

THE 12TH AND THE I MEAN THE 2ND, THE 15TH. 2ND AND THE 16TH.

OKAY. SO WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS AS A DISCUSSION ITEM ON OUR DECEMBER THE 2ND AGENDA.

AND WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND WE CAN COME UP WITH KIND OF OUR SHORT LIST.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN IF WE NEED TO ON THE 15TH, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO MEET THEM ON JANUARY THE 15TH.

SO WE'LL WE'LL SHOW UP WITH OUR LAUNDRY LIST.

AND, YOU KNOW, TIME PERMITTING, WILL WILL PRIORITIZE THOSE AND WE'LL SHOW UP WITH, HEY, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE WE'VE DONE THIS.

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WE DID A WORKSHOP. GOSH, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE SPRING.

YEAH. SO WE CAN JUST GET THAT OUT OF THE VAULT AND GO OVER IT AGAIN.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. AND IT'S WE KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO SPEND 45 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF.

SO I'M THINKING IT'S SOMETHING 20 TO 30 MINUTES.

WE'VE DEFINITELY INVESTED SOME TIME. I THINK WE'RE AVERAGING 11.5 HOURS A DAY ON OUR.

I DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF THAT. I DON'T WANT TO BE THERE FOR 11.5 HOURS.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WE WILL MAKE AN HONEST EFFORT TO KEEP OUR PORTION OF IT AS BRIEF AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

RUSTY, ON THE SECOND, DO YOU WANT TO DO A WORKSHOP OR A DISCUSSION ITEM? WHY DON'T CAN WE? HERE'S WHAT I THINK I'D LIKE TO DO.

AND YOU GUYS CHIME IN ON THIS. SO ON THE SECOND ONE WE MAKE IT A DISCUSSION ITEM.

WE'LL DIG UP WHAT WE HAD. WE CAN IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO HEY LOOK.

YEAH THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR LIST. LET'S GO WITH THAT.

WE TALKED IT OUT PRETTY WELL. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE WORK ON, THEN WE CAN WORKSHOP IT ON THE 15TH.

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? GOT IT. THAT WORKS.

OKAY. THAT WORKS. ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU PUT ON. CAN YOU PUT ON 1 OF THOSE AGENDAS? WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO AN ACTION ITEM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ISN'T 4 MEMBERS THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THAT DAY, THAT THERE CAN BE A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF CITY COUNCIL, I'M SORRY, OF PLANNING COMMISSION THAT CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN JANUARY.

IF IT'S PLANNING COMMISSION, A QUORUM WOULD BE 4.

IF ONLY 3 OF YOU ARE PAIRED, THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PRESENT ANYTHING AS A COMMISSION.

YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? BUT I THINK IN TERMS, I'M SORRY.

DESIGNATE AN OPTION. AN ALTERNATIVE IS THAT. I THINK JUST CLARIFYING THAT.

I'M SORRY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE 15TH. JANUARY THE 15TH.

THE JOINT MEETING? BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE IT IS REALLY A LET'S GET SOME DIRECTION FEEDBACK.

IF IT'S A MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU WOULD NEED 4, BUT SINCE IT SEEMS AS IF IT'S JUST A.

WORKSHOP. PRESENTATION WITH ON THE SAFE SIDE, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY THERE COULD ALSO BE A REPRESENTATIVE OR 3 REPRESENTATIVES OR LESS TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL.

WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE VERBIAGE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE PRESENT ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT DAY, UNDERSTAND? YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL FIX IT, CATHERINE, I WILL WE WILL WORK IT OUT. Y'ALL ARE FIXING STUFF NOW. WE HAVE TOOLBOX TOOL BELT.

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. ANY OTHER BUSINESS? ALL RIGHT, THEN, WE'LL ADJOURN.

THANKS, BO. THANK Y'ALL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.