Jul 08, 2025 Planning Commission

[1. Call Meeting to Order]

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, JULY THE 8TH.

WE HAVE A QUORUM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SIGNED IN.

AND ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? SEE NONE?

[3. Conflict of Interest]

[4. Approval of Minutes]

[6.A.1 25P-023 (Adjacent to 2402 Market / Avenue D) Request for a License to Use to place construction fencing and equipment in the City of Galveston right-of-way. Adjacent property is legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Lot 8, Block 564, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Katherine S. Hughes]

THERE WERE 59 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT NONE OF THOSE RETURNED.

THERE WERE ALSO NO C DEPARTMENTS OR PRIVATE UTILITY OBJECTIONS NOTED.

IN THIS CASE WAS DEFERRED UNTIL TODAY'S DATE IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROPOSE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, IT WAS POSTPONED FROM THE DEFERRED FROM THE JULY JUNE 17TH MEETING.

AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LICENSE TO USE A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR CONSTRUCTION, FENCING MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH ONGOING RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING. THE TEMPORARY LICENSE TO USE EXPIRED IN OCTOBER OF 2024.

THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING TO CONTAIN THE EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS WILL BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH FACADE OF THE BUILDING OR PARALLEL TO RATHER OF MARKET STREET AND ALONG THE EAST FACADE OF 24TH STREET.

THIS WILL INCLUDE TWO METERED PARKING SPACES ALONG MARKET, AND THEN THREE METERED PARKING SPACES ALONG TOTAL OF FIVE SPACES.

THE APPLICANT REQUESTS THE CONSTRUCTION, FENCING AND MATERIALS REMAIN IN PLACE APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 2025.

THE AREA INCLUDING THE LTU ENCOMPASSES THE SIDEWALK DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, SOUTH FACADE AND EAST FACADE. WILL ONCE AGAIN INCLUDE FIVE METERED PARKING SPACES ADJACENT. THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING INTERIOR RENOVATIONS AND OCCUPIES THE ENTIRETY OF THE PARCEL.

OF COURSE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR THE USE OF THE PAID PARKING SPACES.

THE COST IS $141.75 PER WEEK PER SPACE. AND THE PARKING FEES WILL BE PAID QUARTERLY.

IT'S TYPICAL FOR THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS. OF COURSE, LICENSE TO USE IS REQUIRED ANYTIME A PROPERTY NEEDS TO ACCESS CITY RIGHTS OF WAY FOR SOME REASON. STAFF RECOMMENDS CASE 25P-023 REQUEST FOR A LICENSE TO USE TO BE APPROVED, SUBJECT TO SPECIFIC CONDITIONS 1-3 AND STANDARD CONDITIONS 4-10.

AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE. HERE IS A SUBJECT PROPERTY AS IT LOOKS TODAY.

AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED SOME OF THE OUTSIDE RENOVATIONS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE WE HAVE THE SURVEY SHOWING HOW THAT BUILDING OCCUPIES THE ENTIRETY OF THE LOT.

ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE A SITE PLAN BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING IN THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS THE APPROXIMATE EXTENTS OF THE LICENSE TO USE REQUEST. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE WE HAVE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOOKING EAST.

THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LOOKING NORTH UP 24TH STREET AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.

AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. THANK YOU, DANIEL AND IT SHOULD BE KNOWN THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS STEPPED DOWN.

SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION YES, MA'AM. JUST CURIOUS SO THAT'S LIKE $708.75 A WEEK FOR THEIR PARKING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS LICENSE TO USE? DURING THE LICENSE TO USE TIME PERIOD? YEAH, THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S VERY THAT'S TYPICAL FOR ANY TIME THAT YOU HAVE PARKING SPACE, METERED PARKING SPACES, YOU KNOW. SO THE CITY CAN RECOUP ITS LOSSES, BASICALLY.

SO YOU'RE GIVING THAT TO US ON A COST PER I GOT IT.

YEAH SO WITH STUFF LIKE THIS, ARE WE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, ALLOW PEOPLE TO KIND OF TAKE OVER WITH THESE SORTS OF PROJECTS?

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AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S A PRETTY THIS IN PARTICULAR IS A PRETTY YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC TO PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING, DO WE MAKE ANY EFFORTS TO SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED THIS SPACE OVER HERE, BUT JUST THIS OVER HERE OR? IS IT UP TO THE APPLICANT? IT'S GENERALLY UP TO THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY WILL KNOW MOST ABOUT THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT WORK AND MATERIALS NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, STAGED THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW THEY DO NEED TO PAY FOR THESE PARKING SPACES.

SO WE LIKE TO THINK THAT SERVES AS A BIT OF AN INCENTIVE AS WELL.

YEAH WELL, AND I GUESS REALLY MY CONCERN IS MORE ON THE SIDEWALK SPACE JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS IS SEEMS PRETTY REASONABLE, QUITE FRANKLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE DRAG ON AND ON AND ON. SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE AS A, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT OR Y'ALL, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT EFFORT SO THANK YOU.

RIGHT AND I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, TOM. WHEN THEY'RE SPENDING $700 A WEEK FOR THE PARKING.

I'M THINKING THEY'RE PROBABLY IN A HURRY. THE ONE WE HAD AT OUR LAST DEAL.

YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T IN THE PARKING SPACES ANYMORE.

SO THOSE BECOME A LITTLE MORE OF A CONCERN. BUT THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TELL US WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON? KATHERINE HUGHES, I AM RENOVATING 2402 MARKET.

AND THE REASON WE'RE NEEDING THAT SPACE, IT'S MORE ON 24TH STREET WHEN WE COME OUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE TO DO SOME CUTTING, IF NEED BE, FOR TILING, OR IF WE NEED IT FOR SOME DETAILING IN THE BUILDING.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE FINISHES.

SO WE'RE NOT REALLY INVADING A LOT OF SIDEWALK.

AND WHEN WE DO, WE TRY TO BLOCK THE AREA AND ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO WALK.

WE DO NOT MAKE IT SO THE PEDESTRIANS ARE NOT EASY ACCESS TO THE ROAD.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S CLOSE TO TREMONT. WE KNOW IT IS CLOSER TO THE GOING TO ACCESS OTHER AREAS OF GALVESTON THAT IS VERY TOURISTIC.

SO WHEN WE KNOW WHEN IT'S CLOSER TO A MARDI GRAS OR ANY PARADE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE TRY NOT TO BE OUTSIDE TO MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE. AND THEN WHEN WE'RE NOT USING THAT AREA, WE MAKE IT CLEAR AND CLEAN IT UP SO PEOPLE CAN WALK ACCESS THE AREA. MANY TIMES WE EVEN REMOVE CONES AND STUFF SO PEOPLE CAN USE THE PARKING SPACES.

SO WE MAKE IT, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SEEMS REASONABLE. YOU GUYS HAVE. I'M SORRY. DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? OF THE BUILDING? YES YES. YES. SO ALL THAT'S KIND OF PART OF WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON? YES. OKAY. MORE OF THE WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET THAT LTU IS SO WE CAN FINISH THAT RAMP.

UNDERSTOOD OKAY. COVER UP AND PROTECT THAT SO WHEN PEDESTRIANS, TO PROTECT THE PEDESTRIANS IN THE AREA.

UNDERSTOOD OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.

OKAY SO IT'S A TWO STORY. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN YOU START ON THE FACADE ON THAT SIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING BOTH STORIES ON YOUR REPAIR WORK OR YOUR RENOVATION WORK? OR YOU EXTERIOR IS COMPLETED. YEAH. THERE'S SOME SMALL DETAILING.

THE CAP ON THE BUILDING, AND WE USUALLY USE THE LIFT.

AND WHEN WE WERE THERE, WE HAVE CONES AND SO FORTH, AND THE LIFT GETS REMOVED.

IF THE LIFT IS THERE, WE HAVE CONES TO PROTECT AND PUT CAUTION TAPE.

AND ONE OF US IS ALWAYS THERE TO PROTECT PEDESTRIANS AND LET THEM LEAD THEM.

KNOW YOU KNOW WHERE TO MOVE JUST BE CAUTIOUS OF EVERYONE.

OKAY. SO YOU DON'T INTEND TO FENCE IT I WOULD WISH NOT TO BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN ACTIVE AREA I PREFER NOT TO.

IT JUST MAKES IT INCONVENIENT, I THINK, FOR EVERYONE IN THE AREA.

AND IT'S AN EYESORE IT REALLY IS. IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY, I WON'T.

IF IT'S NEEDED, I THINK I WILL CLOSE IT UP JUST FOR SAFETY.

IF I NEED TO CLOSE IT UP A LITTLE BIT FOR THE TIME NEEDED, I WILL.

BUT IF I DON'T NEED TO, I PREFER NOT TO. AND WHEN YOU SAY CLOSE IT UP, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE YES, PUT A GATE UP IF I NEED TO MESH TO PROTECT SOMEBODY FROM SOME KIND OF STONES OR ROCKS OR ANYTHING BUT I PREFER NOT TO DO THAT IF NOT NECESSARY.

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DOES THAT HAVE TO BE CHANGED? IF SHE'S NOT GOING TO PUT CONSTRUCTION FENCING? SOMEBODY IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING OFF THE BUILDING AND SHE WANTS TO DO THAT OR NEEDS TO DO THAT, OTHERWISE I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE BY CONES? YES, BY CONES. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE'RE NEEDING TO MOVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR IF WE'RE NEEDING TO BRING IN FURNITURE, I PREFER TO KIND OF PROTECT THE AREA JUST TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM GETTING HURT OR SOMEONE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THAT'S VERY CONSIDERATE. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU MA'AM. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? NOPE. SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE 25P-023. SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 25P-023.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.

THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT, MA'AM THANK YOU.

AND YOUR CONSIDERATION AND DOING THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THAT IS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS ALL RIGHT MOVING ON. ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK AND JOIN US? [LAUGHTER] I MEAN WE'LL.

THAT'S RIGHT [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU GUYS 7.A 25BF-035. GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME

[7.A BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION/DUNE PROTECTION PERMITS 2. 25BF-035 (25611 Snowy Egret Drive) Request for Beachfront Construction Certificate and Dune Protection Permit to include proposed construction of a deck addition and a new staircase. Property is legally described as Pointe West Section 1 (2005), Abstract 121, Block 1, Lot 35, Acres 0.186, a subdivision in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Reid Linde Property Owner: YA-HEE RANCH LP – Arielle Lawson]

THE ADDRESS IS 25611 SNOWY EGRET DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS POINTE WEST SECTION 1 (2005), LOT 35, ACRES 0.186, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE POINT WEST SUBDIVISION.

SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS STABLE.

STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING.

FIRST, WE HAVE THE FARM AND BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND ITS POSITION RELATIVE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

NEXT THE DUNE. OF DISTANCE FROM NORTH TO THE DUNE OF 59FT, AND A DISTANCE OF 549.6FT FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION.

NEXT. ON THE FOLLOWING TWO SLIDES, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT DRAWING AS WELL AS THE SUMMARIZED SCOPE OF WORK.

YOU CAN SEE THAT OUTLINES WHERE THE DECK EXTENSION IS AT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOME, AND THEN THE POTENTIAL STAIRCASE AND POST FOR THE STAIRS ON THE KIND OF THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.

NEXT. THIS IS JUST A DIAGRAM OF THE OF THE PROPOSED WORK.

FINALLY, WE HAVE FIVE PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING WEST, AND FINALLY LOOKING NORTH FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION.

THIS CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU KYLE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ONE COMMENT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN A GLO LETTER THAT SAYS WE HAVE NO COMMENTS. NO YEAH [LAUGHTER]. ALL RIGHT, WELL, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SINCE THERE'S NOBODY PRESENT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 25P-023 WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 25P-023.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.

THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 25P-023 IS APPROVED.

[7.B TEXT AMENDMENT 3. 25ZA-004 Request for a text amendment to the Galveston Land Development Regulations, Article 2: Uses and Supplemental Standards to modify the Limited Standards for the “Passenger Motor Vehicle Sales or Rental” land use and Article 9: Landscaping to exempt the “Passenger Motor Vehicle Sales or Rental” land use from interior landscaping requirements. Applicant: Development Services Department]

GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS THIS AGENDA ITEM IS REGARDING A REQUEST FOR TEXT AMENDMENT.

IT IS A STAFF SPONSORED REQUEST TO AMEND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AUTO

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THE FIRST ONE IS REGARDING THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

THE CURRENT REGULATION IS THAT THERE BE A 10FT BY 24FT SPACE ALLOCATION FOR EACH VEHICLE AT A DEALERSHIP.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OUR SPACING REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR GENERAL PARKING LOTS, WHICH IS 9FT BY 20FT. SO IN EVALUATING THE REGULATION AND THE PURPOSE.

STAFF COULDN'T HAVE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FINDINGS ON WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS FOR REQUIRING THIS ABOVE AND BEYOND SPACING REQUIREMENT.

A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE LOOKING AT SPACING REQUIREMENTS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS CASE WOULD BE COVERED BY THE FIRE CODE.

SO THIS REGULATION IS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS ACTUALLY REDUNDANT FROM SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL'S ALREADY LOOKING AT.

SO IN THIS INSTANCE, WE ARE REQUESTING OR RECOMMENDING THAT THE SPACING PARAMETERS FOR VEHICLES AT AUTO DEALERSHIPS BE ELIMINATED. AND SO IF YOU LOOK UP ON THE SCREEN, WE'RE PROPOSING THAT'S ITEM NUMBER 11 AND THAT REGULATION BE STRUCK FROM THE LDR. THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AT THE JUNE 26TH.

CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP RECENTLY. IT DID SEEM THAT THE COUNCIL WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE.

THEY URGED US TO PROCESS THIS REQUEST QUICKLY, MOVE IT FORWARD.

SO HAVE IT HERE AT THE VERY NEXT AGENDA ITEM ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST TEXT AMENDMENT. THE SECOND TEXT AMENDMENT IS REGARDING LANDSCAPING AT AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

SO THERE IS A REGULATION FOR INTERIOR LANDSCAPING FOR LARGE, YOU KNOW, FOR LARGE PARKING LOTS AND THEN ALSO FOR COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE JUST WHAT THE EFFECT IS ON AUTO DEALERSHIPS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF INTERIOR LANDSCAPING, YOU'RE BLOCKING THE PUBLIC VIEW OF THE MERCHANDISE OF THE INVENTORY.

THERE WAS ALSO SOME COMMENTS MADE ABOUT JUST BIRD DROPPINGS.

SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS FOR TREES IN YOUR PARKING LOT AT AN AUTO DEALERSHIP.

AND SO THAT'S WE DID NOT SEE ANY PUBLIC BENEFIT TO SCREENING THE VIEW OF SALE OF VEHICLES THAT ARE FOR SALE.

SO STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT WE ELIMINATE OR ACTUALLY THAT WE ELIMINATE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

AND SO THE PROPOSAL STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO ADD THE LANGUAGE IN READ UP ON THE SCREEN TO ALLOW AN EXEMPTION.

AND THE LANGUAGE IS THAT DISPLAY AREAS FOR VEHICLES BEING OFFERED FOR SALE WITHIN PASSENGER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES LOTS ARE EXEMPT FROM THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS DENOTED IN THIS SECTION. SO WITHIN YOUR AGENDA PACKET YOU CAN SEE THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR INTERIOR LOT LANDSCAPING. BUT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME IS TO ELIMINATE THAT REQUIREMENT FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT UNLESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? SURE. INTERESTINGLY IMPORTANT ABOUT HEAT DOMES. SO HOW DOES TAKING AWAY THE LANDSCAPING FOR BIG PARKING LOTS OF CAR DEALERSHIPS AFFECT THE SURROUNDING HOUSES? BECAUSE OUR PARKING, OUR CAR LOTS ARE SOMETIMES RIGHT NEXT TO HOME, ESPECIALLY ON BROADWAY.

SO HOW DO WE SQUARE THE HEAT THAT WILL COME FROM NOT HAVING THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE WITH BEING STRAIGHT CONCRETE OR ASPHALT? CERTAINLY, THAT'S A VALID STATEMENT.

THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF TREES TO BRING DOWN THE TEMPERATURES, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH ALL THE CONCRETE.

BUT, AND SO THIS REQUIREMENT REMAINS FOR ALL OTHER PARKING LOTS BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

WE WERE ASKING BECAUSE I GUESS THERE WERE SOME THERE WAS CONVERSATION AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE REQUEST WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT FORWARD BY ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THERE WAS AGREEMENT AMONG THE COUNCIL AND AMONG MANAGEMENT THAT IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY IN THIS CASE. THAT DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER MY QUESTION, BUT.

BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU THINK THAT HOW WILL IT AFFECT THE SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE NEXT TO IT?

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THAT'S TRUE AND THAT WOULD BE IN EFFECT. HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT REMOVING THE PERIMETER REQUIREMENTS AROUND THE LOT.

THAT STILL STAYS THERE'LL BE SHADE AROUND THAT PERIMETER.

AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THOSE 10 BY 24 FT SPACES AREN'T REQUIRED TO BE THAT LARGE.

AND SO FOR THAT MATTER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PULLING BACK SOME OF THAT CONCRETE SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS OF IT.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S RIGHT THERE, RIGHT ALONG, YOU KNOW, OTHER USES AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHUNK OF CONCRETE THAT'S GOING TO GET HOT.

BUT I THINK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF CITY COUNCIL AND AT LEAST THIS STAFF MEMBER IS IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY TO THE FOLKS WHO ARE TRYING TO SELL A PRODUCT.

I MEAN, THIS IS LITERALLY THEIR STOCK. THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.

IT'D BE DIFFERENT IF IT WERE A I SEE IT AS A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE THAN A STANDARD PARKING LOT WHERE YOU'RE SCREENING CUSTOMER CARS, NOT YOUR STOCK. THAT WAS A LINE OF THINKING BEHIND IT.

OKAY I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING.

I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S THOUGHT BEHIND WHY WE MAKE THESE CHANGES AND THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, THE HEAT RAMIFICATIONS THAT WILL COME FROM MAKING THESE CHANGES THANK YOU I APPRECIATE IT.

HEY, TIM, I GOT A QUESTION BECAUSE WE GOT WE HAVE ONE DEAL THAT'S TALKING ABOUT AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

SO WE'RE IN SECTION 2. SOMETHING, BUT THEN WE'RE IN SECTION 9.3 WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING SPACES.

SO IT LOOKS TO ME I MEAN IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THERE'S THE PART THAT'S GIVEN THE CRITERIA FOR PASSENGER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES OR RENTAL? RIGHT.

AND THEN WE'RE ALL. THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER SECTION THAT'S PARKING SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING.

SO I MEAN THIS SAME PREMISE WOULD APPLY TO ANY PARK.

THE SECTION THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IN 9.3, THAT WOULD APPLY TO ANY PARKING AREA GREATER THAN 10,000FT².

WOULDN'T IT? NO, IT DOES NOT. THE EXEMPTION IS FOR DISPLAY AREAS FOR VEHICLES BEING OFFERED FOR SALE. FOR PASSENGER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES LOTS THAT ARE THE EXEMPTION.

SO THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR SPECIFICALLY PASSENGER MOTOR VEHICLE SALES LOT BUT NOT EVERYBODY.

BUT 9.3 WOULD COVER EVERYBODY, WOULDN'T IT? YEAH.

BUT THE EXEMPTION IS SPECIFIC TO THOSE THOSE USES ONLY. AND YOU'RE GIVING US THE DETAILS OF 9.3 TO LET US KNOW WHAT THOSE EXEMPTIONS ARE.

YES, SIR. I UNDERSTAND OKAY, OKAY. I WAS I DIDN'T I DIDN'T GET THAT THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.

LADIES FIRST. ALWAYS. SO WHAT KEEPS SOMEONE THAT HAS, LIKE, A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT FROM OFFERING A FEW CARS FOR SALE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP THE. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE ONE WE HAD JUST LAST TIME WITH A LOT OF DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH, AND THE BIRDS POOPING ON THE CAR WAS PART OF THE REASON.

AND WE JUST SAID, WELL, THAT'S NOT A GOOD ENOUGH REASON. SO WHAT KEEPS ANYBODY FROM DOING THIS TO GET AWAY FROM HAVING TO DO INTERIOR? WELL, I THINK THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO SELL VERSUS SIMPLY STORING SOMEBODY'S VEHICLE SOMEPLACE.

NO, NO, I MEAN INTERIOR? HOW DO WE LIMIT IT TO ONLY? I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS TAKEN AND USED FOR OTHER BUSINESSES WHEN THEY'RE IT'S NOT THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS IS SELLING CARS.

BUT HEY, WE CAN GET AROUND ALL THIS, THIS LANDSCAPING IF WE PUT A FEW CARS FOR SALE OVER HERE KIND OF THING.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. I THINK THAT SO PARKING LOT SALES LOTS HAVE TO BE APPROVED,

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THAT WE'D HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOT, YOU KNOW REGULATE THEM.

I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO THAT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS GOES FAR ENOUGH TO CONTAIN THAT.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, AS WAS SAID, WE HAVE YOU KNOW, A MEANS OF APPROVING THAT SPECIFIC USE IN A SITE PLAN.

AND, CATHERINE, CAN YOU THINK OF ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THAT BUT WOULDN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO.

NO LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S SEPARATE LAND USES.

SO IF THERE WAS A COMBINATION, YOU KNOW, THAT HAPPENS THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE USES ON A SITE.

WE WOULD ASK FOR THEM TO CIRCUMSCRIBE WHERE THE SALES IS TAKING PLACE, AND THAT WOULD BE EXEMPTED.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE USE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD STILL NEED TO DO THE LANDSCAPING.

AND THAT REQUIRES SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? NO IT WOULD REQUIRE SOMETHING THROUGH US.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF APPROVALS, BUT IT WOULD GO THROUGH A ZONING PROCESS.

AND THAT'S FOR ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEING CREATED.

THE ALREADY EXISTING ONES OBVIOUSLY THEIR PARKING LOTS GOING TO BE IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY RENTED AT OR WHATEVER.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING ANYTHING AROUND.

I WOULDN'T THINK IT'S THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED LOTS THAT WE'D HAVE THAT CIRCUMSTANCE BUT I AGREE WITH CATHERINE. I THINK THAT'S HOW WE'D HANDLE IT. BUT A GOOD, GOOD POINT. SO CONCERNING OKAY, SO SHE MADE A MENTION OF A PREVIOUS PARKING REQUEST WE HAD WHERE WE DISCUSSED ABOUT IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED IN THE SCREENING ASPECT OF IT, YOU GIVE A WIDTH, BUT NOT A HEIGHT. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HEAT SINK OR THE HEAT DOME, I THINK THEY REFER TO IT. SO THE THERMAL BARRIER ARE THE WAY TO MAKE A THERMAL BARRIER I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT WOULD BE WITH TALL TREES. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.

AND TO ME, AN EXTERIOR SURROUNDED CIRCUMFERENCE WITH TALL TREES OR AN ALTERNATIVE.

A SECOND ALTERNATIVE IS WE'RE TALKING CONCRETE AND ASPHALT THERE'S OTHER MATERIALS THAT ARE USED THAT THAT DO NOT REFLECT HEAT SO BADLY.

AND SO IF WE GIVEN ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO OR IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD RESTRICT PEOPLE FROM USING ALTERNATIVE SOURCES AND WILL WE GIVE THEM A BETTER APPROVAL IF THEY USE ALTERNATIVE SOURCES TO LESSEN THE HEAT DOME, THAT HEAT DOME.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'D BE ANY INCENTIVE AS SUCH FOR USING A DIFFERENT PRODUCT, ALTHOUGH THAT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT IS AN OBSERVATION THAT'S REAL. IF THEY USE CERTAIN PRODUCTS THAT DO LESS OF THE, YOU KNOW, RETAINING OF THE HEAT. ESPECIALLY PERMEABLE SORT OF.

YEAH ANYTHING BUT ASPHALT IS. YEAH THAT HELPS OUT A LOT THAT'S REALLY NOT ASSOCIATED SO MUCH WITH THIS.

WE STILL HAVE THE REQUIREMENT IN OUR PERIMETER LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT THERE BE TREES SO WE DO HAVE A VERTICAL ELEMENT.

AND IT'S NOT IN THIS SECTION. OKAY. YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THE PARKING LOT SECTION OF THIS YEAH OKAY SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE DO REQUIRE THE TREES AROUND THE CIRCUMFERENCE. YEAH. OF THE LOTS THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME KIND OF.

THERE SHOULD BE SOME WAY TO MITIGATE THE HEAT DOME COMING UP, EITHER, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SHADING.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARKING LOTS, ESPECIALLY OUT WEST THEY ACTUALLY USED, YOU KNOW, COVERED.

THEY COVERED WITH THAT CANVAS, LIKE MATERIAL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO MAKE THAT. I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT.

SHOULD THAT BE A REQUIREMENT FOR FUTURE PARKING AREAS THAT WE, YOU KNOW? IF YOU DON'T PUT INTERIOR LANDSCAPING YOU HAVE TO REDUCE THE HEAT EXPOSURE THROUGH ACTUAL STRUCTURE.

YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? JUST BECAUSE WE'RE THROWING THIS AROUND.

THAT'S GOOD IT'S A CREATIVE IDEA. GOOD IDEA I MEAN, I THINK IF SOMEBODY WERE TO HAVE A LOT THAT HAD SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE CANVAS SCREENING OR COVERING OR WHATEVER, IT CERTAINLY WOULD HELP.

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I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD GO TO THE EXTENT OF REQUIRING THAT IN OUR REQUIREMENTS.

BECAUSE THIS THIS IS REALLY SINCE THIS IS ASSOCIATED WITH YOU KNOW, AUTO DEALERSHIP LOTS LIMITED WHERE YOU CAN DO IT'S VERY LIMITED ON.

I MEAN, WE WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THEM. SO. AND IT'S IT'S PRETTY MUCH SEVEN BRANDS AND ONE DEALERSHIP, AS THE SIGN SAYS, IN AND OUT OF TOWN. SO IT'S IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT WE THINK THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS IT IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT'LL PRETTY MUCH YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF MOST OF THE ISSUES THAT ARISE FROM AUTO DEALERSHIPS.

FROM AUTO DEALERSHIPS. YEAH. AND POOP ON YOUR NEW CAR? YES. YEAH. BIRD POOP. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU.

IT DOES SAY DISPLAY AREAS FOR VEHICLES BEING OFFERED FOR SALE.

SO AT THOSE DEALERSHIPS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, THEY HAVE AUTO REPAIR SHOPS AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER AREAS BEHIND THE DISPLAY AREAS THAT WOULD NOT BE EXEMPT. RIGHT. OR IS THIS LIMITED TO ONLY THE DISPLAY AREAS, LIKE IN THE FRONT WHERE THEY HAVE THE VEHICLES FOR SALE? OR IS THIS BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF CONCRETE OVER THERE? YEAH. SO IT WOULD IF IT'S LIMITED TO THAT, THAT'S NOT AS PAINFUL AS EVERYTHING OVER THERE.

AND I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A TYPO BECAUSE THIS IS FOR SALE WITHING PASSENGERS.

YES IT'S WITHIN. OKAY, OKAY. JUST WE'LL HIT THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET IT OVER TO COUNCIL.

THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. BUT NO PUN INTENDED, BUT AND I JUST LOST TRACK OF WHAT? I'M SORRY. YEAH.

OH, YEAH. BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL'S LIMITING THE EXEMPTION TO THE DISPLAY AREAS AND NOT THE WHOLE.

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF BEHIND THE SCENES AREAS THAT ARE NOT THE DISPLAY AREAS OVER IN THAT.

ALL THAT CONCRETE OVER THERE. THE INTENT WAS THE DISPLAY AREA IN PARTICULAR, WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIMITED.

I THINK IT SAYS THAT FOR YEAH, IT'S FOR FOR VEHICLES BEING OFFERED FOR SALE.

THE, THE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC PARKING.

ALL THAT APPLIES AND SERVICE AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IF IF THERE WERE A PARKING AREA FOR THAT, THAT WOULD APPLY.

IT'S ONLY THE DISPLAY AREA FOR VEHICLES BEING OFFERED FOR SALE.

SO IF THEY'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FALL UNDER OUR STANDARD LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER? YES. JOHN, PLEASE.

JUST CURIOUS ON GOING BACK TO THE TEN BY 24. THAT WAS IN THE 2015 LDR.

IS THAT CORRECT? WAS THERE IS ANY STAFF MEMBER AWARE OF ANY RATIONALE THAT WAS EVER GIVEN FOR THAT NUMBER, OR WAS IT JUST KIND OF PLUCKED OUT OF THE AIR? WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT THERE WAS SOME FOCUS ON USED AUTO DEALERSHIPS THAT RELATED TO YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM NOT STACKING EVERYTHING SO CLOSELY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S SORT OF THE CITY JUMPING INTO A PRIVATE BUSINESS OWNERS OPERATIONS TO SOME DEGREE.

NOW, THAT BEING SAID, I UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE EXEMPT OR THEY'RE I'M SORRY, NOT EXEMPT, BUT GRANDFATHERED. SO AND AND WE DON'T HAVE WE HAVE A SPECIFIC PROVISION IN OUR ELDERS THAT PROHIBITS NEW AUTOMOBILE ORIENTED LAND USES ON, ON BROADWAY IN PARTICULAR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY NEW AUTO DEALERSHIPS AS LONG AS THAT CLAUSE IS IN OUR ELDERS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

WHEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THERE'S NOBODY HERE.

SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, AND I'LL SECOND.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. AND SECOND. 25 ZA DASH 004.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.

THOSE IN FAVOR. AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS. SO THAT IS APPROVED.

AND MOVING ON TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. CATHERINE, DID WE TALK ABOUT THIS LAST TIME?

[8.A Dune Conservation Area]

BUT THEN KYLE ASKED ME WHAT WAS THE TOPIC, AND I SAID, I DON'T KNOW.

SO IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE EXHAUSTED THE TOPIC WITH WHEN KYLE'S GOING TO HAVE HIS BARBECUE OVER IN THE DCA.

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YEAH. IF IT IS ON OUR AGENDA. SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

I THOUGHT I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED ALL THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO ASK, MA'AM, YOU JUST. I KNOW I KNOW. OUR FOCUS WAS ON ENCOURAGING NEIGHBORS TO WORK TOGETHER WITH OTHER NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY PUT UP THOSE AREAS IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION. YOU KNOW, THE THE TO LIMIT THE EROSION.

BUT DO WE GET ANYWHERE WITH THAT OR WE WILL WE DO.

DO WE HAVE. ARE YOU DO WE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE HOA'S? I MEAN, YEAH, WE, WE WE'VE TALKED TO THE HOA ABOUT THOSE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE AWARE OF IT. AND YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO MORE OF THEM PROBABLY IN THE NEXT UPCOMING YEAR.

THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY EXPERIENCING MORE THE EROSION, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY WE'RE SEPTEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY KICKING OFF BEACH NOURISHMENT OUT THERE. AND THEN WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING ONLINE LATER AT NEXT YEAR OR FIRST OF NEXT YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO A LOT OF HOA'S OUT THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW WITH THESE BEACH NOURISHMENT AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, WORKING TOGETHER ON GETTING SOME TYPE OF OTHER PROTECTION OUT THERE IN FRONT OF THERE, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE CITY'S GOING TO BE WORKING ON ONCE THE GOVERNMENTS GO IN, GETTING OUT THERE AND REALLY PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, SAND FENCING AND PLANTINGS AND STARTING TO KIND OF GET DUNES STARTING TO ESTABLISH.

SO WE'RE CAPTURING ALL OF THAT SAND THAT WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE PUTTING OUT THERE IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY PIRATES BEACH, BERMUDA BEACH, SPANISH GRANT THOSE AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THE HIGHEST EROSION RATES OF EROSION OUT THERE. SO WITH A LOT MORE TALKING, YOU'LL BE SEEING A LOT OF STUFF COME OUT.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE SENDING OUT SOME TYPE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS SOMETIME THIS WEEK.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE SEE MORE OF THE CITY PUTTING OUT ACTIVITIES THAT WE'RE TAKING ON ON THE BEACH.

ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. PLEASE. I HAD A QUICK I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE CRAZY.

SO I LOVE THE THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM THAT THE CITY DOES.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PAY FOR THE CONCRETE AND WHATNOT, AND THEY'LL BUILD YOU A SIDEWALK AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE WAIT LIST AND ALL THAT. COULD WE DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH WITH DUNES? I MEAN, YEAH, SO TO DEAL WITH IT, WE'LL DEAL WITH THE DUNES IS THE AREAS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING THE MOST EROSION IS THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO IF WE TRY TO DO ANYTHING AND LIKE I SAID, GELO WANTS TO WANTS TO DO BUILD DUNES.

IT'S GETTING THE EASEMENT ACROSS THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHY EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE APPROACHED THE POA AND SAID, HEY, YOU CAN PUT IN FOR THESE DUNE RESTORATIONS FOR STATE GLO GRANTS. WE'LL HELP FACILITATE IT. WE'LL GET YOU YOUR BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE.

WE'LL HELP DO WHATEVER WE CAN. BUT Y'ALL NEED TO DO THE LION'S SHARE OF WORK, OF WORKING INTERNALLY, OF GETTING THE EASEMENTS. YOU KNOW, THE CITY WE WANT.

AND I JUST DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO DO THE EASEMENTS. BUT SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF PUT THAT BACK ONTO THEM AND LET THEM YOU KNOW, HANDLE IT AND ALL THAT, AND WE HELP THEM WHEREVER WE CAN.

YOU KNOW, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE Y'ALL KIND OF DO THAT MAYBE A LITTLE MORE INFORMALLY. RIGHT AS IT IS. YES. OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR NAMING THE APPLICANT. YEAH. YEAH.

THANK YOU. YEAH. AND HAVE THE BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE. SO WHEN THEY DO PUT IT IN FOR THE GRANT, THEY, THEY HAVE ALL OF THEIR APPROVALS. SO THINGS THAT WE JUST IF Y'ALL GIVE US SOME MONEY, WE'RE READY TO GO. A LONG TIME AGO, RIGHT AFTER I WORKED TO DO SAND FENCING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND A LOT OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT I REACHED OUT TO WEREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THEY STILL OWNED THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT ON WATER'S EDGE.

SO IS THERE A WAY TO DO SOME KIND OF EXEMPTION? I MEAN, I HAD HAD PEOPLE HAD TO SEND ME AN EMAIL THAT SAYS, OKAY, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I OWN IT ANYMORE. SO THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM THAT I RAN INTO TRYING TO GET ALL THOSE FRONT ROW LOT HOMEOWNERS.

YOU KNOW, GOOGLE SEARCH IS TRYING TO FIND THESE PEOPLE.

AND THEN THEY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY STILL HAD ANY PROPERTY RIGHTS TO THE PROPERTY.

AND I SAID, WELL, YOU DO. AND YOU GOT TO SAY, OKAY, OR WE CAN'T DO SENTENCING HERE KIND OF THING.

I WORKED WITH LIBBY MITCHELL WAY, WAY BACK THEN.

SO IS THERE ANY WAY AROUND THAT FOR THESE HOA'S OR POA? BECAUSE THAT'S A I EXPERIENCE THAT AS A, AS A CAN THERE BE AN EXEMPTION FOR THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T PAID TAXES ON THAT LAND FOR A YEAR AND THEY'RE UNDERWATER AS MUCH AS THE HOA PO. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE GRANTS COMING FROM GLO.

THEY WANT TO SEE THAT THAT DOCUMENTATION THAT THERE ARE EASEMENTS THERE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AS MUCH AS THE HOA OR PO.

I THINK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE AND THEY THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THEY MAY JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT UP SOME FENCING.

BUT TO GET THE GRANT MONEY TO DO THE BIG DUNE PROJECTS, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME MONEY FROM GLO.

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THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE THAT DOCUMENTATION.

THE BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE CAME FROM THE CITY THAT WE GOT FOR THAT.

SO IT WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY THAT WE HAD TO GET THAT IN PLACE FIRST.

AND I THINK THERE WAS. YEAH. AND BUT THERE WAS SEVERAL.

LIKE I SAID, I RAN INTO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIND THESE PEOPLE, AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY OWN IT ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS RIDICULOUS THAT THEY NEEDED TO SEND ME AN EMAIL AND SAY, OKAY. AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, BUT I NEED IT. SO IS THERE A WAY AROUND? I CAN SEE THAT BEING A HUGE ROADBLOCK FOR THESE FRONT FRONT ROW PROPERTIES THAT WERE WASHED OUT FROM IKE, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK IN 2008. THESE PEOPLE ARE LONG SINCE GONE TO HELP THESE NEIGHBORHOODS BE ABLE TO GET A BEACHFRONT CERTIFICATE. I GUESS THERE'D BE A LEGAL QUESTION AND WELL, AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE JAIL IS GOING TO WAIVE THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENT.

SO WHEN IT COMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN AN HOA SUBMITS AN APPLICATION TO DO THIS WORK, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM UP FRONT, FIRST OF ALL, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO SUBMIT.

AND IF THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, FOR LOCATING CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS, WE MAY JUMP INTO THAT TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE TIME, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS HANDLED BY THE HOA.

TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN. WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO TO FACILITATE AND AND HELP OUT, THOUGH.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE WITHOUT OUR ASSISTANCE. IT'S JUST THAT WE'LL HAVE LIMITED ABILITY TO ASSIST.

AND IF I THINK IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY OR INTERPRETING WHAT I THINK, I HEAR YOU SAYING THE CITY IS LIMITED IN ITS STAFF IN ITS MONEY AND. NO, NO, AND AND WHATNOT. THERE IS A PROCESS OF ACQUIRING PROPERTY.

SO WHETHER THE HOA CAN FIND THE OWNERS OF THE OF THE LAND, THEY STILL HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

WHETHER THEY CAME AND SAID, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I STILL OWNED IT.

THERE'S STILL A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH FOR THE CITY TO EVEN ACQUIRE THAT.

I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING, THOUGH, IS THE GLO HAS THE ABILITY TO ACQUIRE EASEMENTS TO DO SO.

YOU KNOW, THAT'D BE IDEAL. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.

BUT WHETHER OR NOT THE JAILER WANTS TO STEP IN AND DO THAT.

BUT THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THE IK PROPERTIES.

IF THEY WERE IN THE BUYOUT PROGRAM. TRUST ME, THOSE PEOPLE KNEW THAT THEY WERE A PROBLEM.

YEAH, WELL, THOSE WERE NOT THE PROBLEM. SO, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S A PROCESS.

IF TRULY THERE WAS I THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE A PROJECT, A FUNDED PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND FIND OWNERS AND GO THROUGH THE PROPER PAPERWORK FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE RELEASED VIA COURT.

ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN'T FIND SOMEBODY. AND THAT CAN TAKE A MINUTE.

THAT CAN TAKE A WHILE. IT TOOK ME SEVERAL MONTHS.

YEAH. SEVERAL MONTHS. EVERY LUNCH. YEAH. THESE THESE PROJECTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE QUICK BY ANY MEANS.

YOU KNOW, THE THING, AFTER I WENT THROUGH ALL THAT AND I GOT THESE PEOPLE, FOUND THEM, GOT THEM TO SAY, OKAY, AND THEN THEY'RE GONE AGAIN. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN.

YOU KNOW THAT SAND FENCING SINCE WASHED AWAY AND ALL THAT'S GONE? I MEAN, IF WE COULD PUT A PROCESS IN PLACE WHEN WE GET THAT FIRST APPROVAL, MAYBE GOING FORWARD WITH SOME HELP.

HELP THESE THESE HOES TO. YOU KNOW IF YOU GOT LIKE I WAS THE SECRETARY I WENT AND DID ALL THAT FOR THE WHOLE I WAS ON PUT HELP THEM JUST WORK.

NOT WITH, YOU KNOW ANY EXTRA MANPOWER FROM THE CITY, BUT SOME KIND OF PROCESS THEY COULD PUT IN PLACE TO SAY, CAN YOU SIGN THIS FOR ME? THAT SAYS SO GOING FORWARD, IF WE WANT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN EASEMENT, LEGAL DOCUMENTS TO OR I GUESS AN HOA, IT COULD HAVE SOME PERMANENCY IN OR IN THE LOT OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, THERE ARE WAYS FOR AN HOA OR A PO, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE REAL PROPERTY AREA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T ENFORCE DEED RESTRICTIONS.

BUT I KNOW THAT DEED RESTRICTIONS HAVE COME UNDER FIRE, I SHOULD SAY, BY THE LEGISLATURE LATELY AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO. BUT, YEAH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ACQUIRE SOME PERMANENCY TO PROPERTY.

IT CAN HAPPEN ON BENEFITS AND AS WELL THERE MAY BE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE.

LIKE YOU SAID THAT DON'T KNOW THEY EVEN HAVE ANY TITLE LEFT ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE UNDERWATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE KNOWN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO BE WILLING TO HELP OUT WITH YOU KNOW, A DEED TRANSFER IF THEY WANT TO DEDICATE THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE COULD ACCEPT ACCEPT THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY I THINK IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO EXERT SOME, YOU KNOW CLAIM ON PROPERTY THAT THEY HAVE THAT, THAT THEY LEGITIMATELY HAVE.

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AND AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE NOURISH PROPERTY AND, AND THAT'S NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, JUDICIALLY. CLEAR YET AS TO.

AS TO WHAT? WHAT HAPPENS WITH LAND THAT IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.

I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO COURT.

STICKY BUSINESS. IT IS STICKY BUSINESS. YEAH.

IF I MAY, REFERRING BACK TO THE BEACH OR THE DUNE RESTORATIONS I NOTICED THAT AROUND PIRATES IN SOME OTHER AREAS, IN SOME OF THE SUBDIVISIONS. THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE BEACH NOW, HOW WILL THE GLO HANDLE DUNE RESTORATION IF IT IS ENCROACHING BETWEEN THE MEAN LOW TIDE AND THE MEAN HIGH TIDE, THE AVAILABLE SPACE, WILL THEY DO A RESTORATION? AND THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING BELOW THE MAIN LOW TIDE AND THE MAIN HIGH TIDE.

SO THAT'S THAT'S A THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING IN THEIR NOURISHMENT THERE.

BUT THEY WON'T DO THEY WON'T DO ANY DUNE RESTORATION.

SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT POSITION ARE GOING TO BE WITHOUT A DUNE.

YEAH. I MEAN THERE WILL BE BEACH NOURISHMENT. BUT THEN YET THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABOVE THE MEAN HIGH TIDE BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, THE BEFORE THEY DO ANY TYPE OF DOING RESTORATION.

THIS IS ALL A SEQUENCE. I MEAN, WE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE NOURISHMENT BEFORE WE DO THE DUNE.

AND THIS. RIGHT, THE DUNE CONSERVATION OR REESTABLISHMENT OR DUNE FENCES FOR THAT MATTER.

THEY'RE JUST NOT VERY EFFECTIVE. ANY OF THOSE MEASURES ARE NOT VERY EFFECTIVE WHEN WE'RE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE BEACH NOURISHMENT.

SO SUBSEQUENT. OKAY, YOU GET THE BEACH NOURISHMENT, AND THEN THEY REESTABLISH MEAN LOW TIDE, HIGH TIDE REFERENCE TO THAT ELEVATION. NO. SO I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THE MEAN HIGH TIDE IS REESTABLISHED EVERY 19 YEARS.

OH, REALLY? EVERY 19 YEARS IN THIS SURVEY? THAT'S I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU HAVE AREAS THAT FLUCTUATE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GET DAMAGED AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, ON THE WEST END THERE'S NO GRADE.

SO YOU HAVE WATER THAT COMES UP, YOU KNOW? SO I BELIEVE IT'S EVERY 19 YEARS THAT THEY REESTABLISH THOSE LINES.

THAT'S VERY ENLIGHTENING. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS DONE MORE OFTEN THAN THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH AND I MAYBE I THOUGHT, I, I THINK IT'S 19. I MAY BE MISTAKEN. I DOUBT IF YOU ARE.

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? I'M SORRY. SURE. SO I THOUGHT IF THAT AREA WAS USED BY THE PUBLIC CONSISTENTLY FOR TEN YEARS STRAIGHT, DOESN'T IT BECOME. NO. NO, SHE'S SAYING NO. SO EVEN IF YOU IF IT WAS USED 20 YEARS, THAT WHOLE AREA, THERE'S NO WAY TO EVER ESTABLISH THAT AS BEING PUBLIC PROPERTY TO DO ALL THIS WONDERFUL STUFF THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO DO.

THAT IS A COMPLICATED MATTER. LAW IS LIKE A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT, AND THERE ARE RULES AROUND A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.

I HIGHLY DON'T THINK THAT THIS BEACH AREA IS GOING TO QUALIFY FOR A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT.

IT'S JUST THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THE BACK OF YOUR ALLEY.

I'VE BEEN USING IT. YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S BEEN.

AND PUT UTILITIES AND STUFF IN THERE AND WHATEVER.

AND THEN MAYBE AFTER TEN YEARS, WE CAN FILE FOR A PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING IT.

I THINK THE LANGUAGE SAYS OUT FRONT WITHIN. SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU'RE USING THE THE CITY'S SIGNATURES RIGHT THERE.

YOU SEE THE CITY PEOPLE THERE, WHATEVER IT HAS TO IT CAN'T BE UNDERCOVER.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN USING I CAN'T GIVE OUT THE WORD, BUT IF YOU'VE BEEN USING SOMETHING THAT'S TOTALLY BLATANT THAT YOU'RE USING IT TEN YEARS, I GUESS IS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE THE TIME FRAME IS, I HEARD SEVEN YEARS AT ONE POINT.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HAD HEARD, BUT BUT THE BEACH.

NO, NOT. YEAH, PROBABLY NOT FOR THE BEACH. I WOULDN'T.

NOT FOR THE BEACH. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO REMOVE THE BARRIERS SO THAT WE CAN STABILIZE THAT WHOLE AREA AND NOT END UP LOSING 305 IN THE PROCESS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THOSE FRONT ROADS, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE THAT LONG SINCE GONE.

DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU KNOW SO WELL. LONG STORY SHORT, WE START DOING THESE.

THESE, YOU KNOW, DOING MORE STUFF OUT THERE THAT THE WHOLE AND POSE WILL START COMING IN THERE AND, AND HELPING US AND SAY WHAT CAN WE DO. ACTUALLY SEEING SOME WORK OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS OR DOING THAT, BUT WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE SAND BEING PUT OUT THERE AND ACTUALLY SEE SOME THINGS OCCURRING THAT MAYBE THEY'LL STEP UP AND WE CAN START KIND OF GETTING SOME STUFF MOVING.

AND WE HAVE HAD SOME WHO WANTED TO DO SOME DOING ENHANCEMENT.

NOW IT'S JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU, YOU, YOU DO IT NOW YOU'RE GOING TO RUN A GREAT RISK AND SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT'S LIKELY GOING TO WASH OUT IN A YEAR OR TWO.

SO IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO DO THAT BEFORE THE NOURISHMENT.

OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE?

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.