[00:00:01] >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. [1 DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER] IT IS 9:00 AM, AND IT IS MY PLEASURE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON FOR JUNE 26 TO ORDER. WE HAVE A BUSY WORKSHOP AGENDA IN FRONT OF US. I WANT TO THANK COUNSEL. WE HAVE SET A NEW RECORD, COUNCIL FOR THE NUMBER OF ITEMS ON A WORKSHOP IN THE HISTORY OF GALVESTON. SO WE GOT RECORDS FOLLOWING AS WE SPEAK HERE WITH OUR AGENDA. GLAD TO HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THOSE THAT MAY BE WATCHING THIS TELECAST. >> GOD BLESS YOU. >> GOD BLESS YOU. AND GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING. I APPRECIATE YOU ATTENDING. WE DO HAVE OUR COUNCIL HERE. LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL THOUGH. >> MAYOR BROWN. >> PRESIDENT. >> TIM ROB. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER FINKLEY. >> SURE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN? >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PERETO? >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROLLINS? >> HERE. >> VERY GOOD. BEFORE WE START OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS, COUNSEL, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION SOME HOUSEKEEPING ON OUR AGENDA. ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON, ITEM 11 X HAS BEEN PULLED OFF THE AGENDA BY STAFF, THAT'LL BE RETURNING TO US IN SOME FORM COMING UP IN THE FUTURE. ALSO, I THINK COUNSEL PROBABLY IS AWARE OF THIS, BUT WE HAD A SECOND AGENDA COME OUT THAT WE LEFT OFF ITEM 12C ON THE AGENDA. SO IF YOU PRINTED YOUR AGENDA BEFORE THIS EXTENDED VERSION CAME OUT, YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ITEM 12C ON YOUR AGENDA. THAT IS FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF THE PARK BOARD APPOINTEES AND ALSO APPOINTMENT TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. ALSO. THAT'S ITEM 12 C ON OUR I JUST WANT TO MAKE YOUR COMMENT HERE. >> NOT TO WORRY BECAUSE NOBODY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRINT THE AGENDA FROM THE NEW. >> I HAVE FIGURED IT OUT, AND SO IT'S ONCE YOU KNOW THE TRICK, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE ON THAT. I'LL MENTIONED TO YOU. >> I'VE SHOWN HER THE ISSUES THAT EXIST. I HEAR MANY A COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC. I DID NOT ENJOY OUR NEW AGENDA CENTER. >> IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRINT ON IT, BUT ONCE YOU DO THAT, IT'S JUST ONE STEP AND YOU IT PRINTS THE WHOLE THING. ALSO, I WANT TO MENTION ON OUR WORKSHOP TODAY, ITEM 3F HAS BEEN PULLED. THAT WILL BE PULLED OFF THE AGENDA. THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. WE'VE PULLED THAT OFF THE AGENDA. ALSO, I WANT TO MENTION THAT DON ROSKI WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE DONNA FAIR WITH HER WITH US THIS MORNING, DONNA. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. DON HAS SOME PERSONAL BUSINESS HE'S TAKING CARE OF. HE WILL NOT BE HERE THIS MORNING. POSSIBLY MAY NOT BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON. FOR OUR MEETING, WE'LL SEE. HOPEFULLY, DON WILL RETURN THIS AFTERNOON. SAYING ALL THAT, LET'S GO TO ITEM 3A, PLEASE, MA'AM. [3.A Clarification Of Consent And Regular City Council Agenda Items - This Is An Opportunity For City Council To Ask Questions Of Staff On Consent And Regular Agenda Items (1 Hour) ] >> ITEM 3A. CLARIFICATION OF CONSENT AND REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. >> I SELDOM DO THIS, COUNSEL, BUT I'D LIKE TO KICK THIS OFF OF THE ONE ITEM I'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD. IT'S ITEM 12B AS EMPLOYEE. IT'S OUR JUNETEENTH MUSEUM RESOLUTION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS TO CLARIFY THAT RESOLUTION. WHAT THAT RESOLUTION DOES, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE READ THIS, IT SHOWS THE CITY SUPPORT FOR A JUNETEENTH MUSEUM, AND IT SHOWS OUR DESIRE TO CONSIDER PARTICIPATING FINANCIALLY IN SOME WAY WITH ITS DEVELOPMENT. WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT DO, IT DOES NOT COMMIT THE CITY TO BUILDING THE MUSEUM OR CONTROLLING OR FACILITATING ITS DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THE RESOLUTION IS, IN MY OPINION, AND COUNCILWOMAN LEWIS IS GOING TO SAY A FEW WORDS ON THIS, BUT SHE HELPED PUT THIS TOGETHER AND SHE AND I TALKED, AND I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD RESOLUTION. I THINK I CAN SPEAK. [00:05:01] I THINK FOR EVERYONE AT THE TABLE. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GOAL. >> I KNOW IT'S BEEN A GOAL OF MINE, AND SHARON HAS BEEN I THINK A GOAL OF ALL OF OURS TO SEE THE BRING A JUNETEENTH MUSEUM TO OUR COMMUNITY HERE. WHAT THIS RESOLUTION ALSO DOES IN MY MIND, IS IT ALLOWS US TO BE A PARTICIPANT WITH ANY INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP THAT COMES FORWARD IN THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP A JUNETEENTH MUSEUM. SAYING THAT, THIS RESOLUTION, ALSO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO IN THE COMMUNITY HERE OF A GROUP COMING FORWARD TO SUPPORT A JUNETEENTH MUSEUM, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THE STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION, HOW THAT COULD POSSIBLY MOVE FORWARD. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE CITY'S INVOLVEMENT FINANCIALLY, I THINK WE HAVE AN ITEM 3K ON THE AGENDA THAT COUNCILMAN PERRETTA AND COUNCILMAN FINKLEY HAVE PUT ON THERE ABOUT DISCUSSION OF THE OVERAGE OF THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THAT AND SEE HOW THAT WOULD POSSIBLY FIT INTO OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT ANY POTENTIAL FINANCIAL INVOLVEMENT WITH THE JUNETEENTH MUSEUM. I WANT TO CALL ON SHARON FIRST, MARIE, SHARON. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? >> I'LL JUST DETAIL WHAT YOU'VE SAID AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT CONFIRMS THE VERBIAGE FROM THE CITY FOR A JUNETEENTH MUSEUM. IT ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT SOME FUNDING TO PROVIDE SOME TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE THAT WILL HELP US WITH LOCATION, WITH COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE DECISION MAKING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR THIS MAJOR PROJECT. WE WANT IT TO BE A STATE OF THE ART MUSEUM HERE. SO BASICALLY ON THIS RESOLUTION, THE CITY IS SAYING, HEY, WE WILL SUPPORT, WE WILL FINANCIALLY ASSIST, AND THAT IT WILL INVOLVE THE GALVESTON ISLAND CITIZENS. >> THANK YOU, SHARON. MARIE, YOU HAD A COMMENT. >> I AND I AGREE, 100%, WITH EVERYTHING BOTH OF YOU SAID, AND I AGREE THAT THE CITY SHOULD SUPPORT IT FINANCIALLY, BUT DOES IT SAY THROUGH HOT TAX? >> IT DOES NOT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN FOR US AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S IN MY MIND, WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE COMING FROM HOT TAX, AND I STILL THINK THAT'S THE CASE. THE MONEY'S COMING TO THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR HOT TAX. >> WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO ADD THAT INTO THE RESOLUTION TROUGH HOT TAX. >> IF COUNSEL FELT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT, WE SURELY CAN'T. >> I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCE. I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR US TO CONSIDER ALL AVAILABLE FUNDING SOURCES WHEN WE LOOK AT SUCH A LARGE INVESTMENT CITY. >> IF ANOTHER ENTITY WANTS TO GIVE THE CITY MONEY TO HELP OUR FINANCIAL SUPPORT. THEY COULD GO THROUGH A PASS THROUGH FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES. NON PROFIT STATE. >> WE COULD ALSO GO THROUGH THE STATE AND GET A REBATE ON STATE HOT TAX FOR THE US THE BNC AS WELL. >> WHAT IT DOES, THE REASON THAT I NOT SHARON AND I TALKED ABOUT. IT GIVES THIS ISSUE YOU MENTIONED THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACCEPT DIFFERENT FORMS OF FUNDING COMING IN, COULD BE GRANTS, COULD BE DONATIONS TO THE CITY, AS COUNCILMAN PRETA MENTIONED, OR OTHER ACTIVITIES OR FUNDING SOURCES THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF THE HOT REVENUE. VERY GOOD. YES. >> IS THERE A REASON THAT WE AREN'T DISCUSSING LIKE FINANCIAL AMOUNT, AT LEAST LIKE A MINIMUM TO MATCH WHAT TEXAS HAS COMMITTED TO OR I KNOW THAT THE FUNDING SOURCE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BE DEFINED AT THE MOMENT, BUT AN AMOUNT AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF WHAT THE STATE, IN OTHER WORDS, TO MATCH WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US? >> WE SURELY COULD IF COUNCIL WANTS TO PUT A FUNDING AMOUNT ON THIS? YES. >> I WOULD I UNDERSTAND THE POINT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE MONIES THAT WERE APPROPRIATED THROUGH THE STATE ARE NOT DIRECTED TO US. THEY ARE HELD BY THE STATE AND ARE SUBJECT TO OPEN APPLICATION. SO THOSE FUNDS ARE NOT COMMITTED TO GALVESTON. [00:10:01] DO I THINK THAT SHOULD WE HAVE $1 VALUE ON IT? >> IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE SUBJECT AND WHIM TO COUNCIL, ANYWAY. AGAIN, I THINK A BROAD LEVEL SUPPORT OF A RESOLUTION IN THIS FORM. THEN WE SEE WHAT COMES OUT FROM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND MAYBE WHAT THEIR ASK IS, AND THEN NEGOTIATE APPROPRIATING OUR FUNDS AT THIS LEVEL WHENEVER THAT TIME COMES. >> WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO MAYBE SAY $1 MATCH, BUT TO SAY SOMETHING IN THE WORDING OF TO AT MINIMUM MATCH WHAT IS FUNDED BY THE STATE? >> WELL, I WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WELL. >> ONCE I KNOW THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SET AN AMOUNT. WE CAN SAY MATCH WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO ACQUIRE FROM THE STATE. >> BUT WHAT IF THEY ACTUALLY COME THROUGH WITH THE WHOLE SEVEN MILLION? YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE SEVEN MILLION TO MATCH. I THINK WE PIGEONHOLE OURSELF WITH THAT. >> YEAH. I UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHTS, BO, BUT I AGREE. >> I THINK I THINK IT'S JUST MORE OF A LEVEL OF COMMITMENT, AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT I BROUGHT THAT UP. YES. >> I THINK YOU WE HEAR FROM COUNSEL TODAY THAT DEFINITELY WE ARE ALL VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO THE EFFORT. I THINK WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COMMUNITY COMES FORWARD WITH A PLAN AND A REQUEST, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TIME WHEN WE SAY WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO MATCH, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND IT? >> I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT'LL BE COMING FORWARD THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO FOR THIS COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE HAPPENING FAIRLY SOON. ANY OTHER ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THAT. SHARON, I'M GOING TO DO YOU WANT TO HAVE OTHER TOPICS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AT THIS POINT. >> YES, I DO. ON THE 111B, CLARIFICATION ON THE CHANGE IN THE CONTRACT DOES IT GIVE CONSEQUENCE. IS IT. >> DID YOU, CHARLESWORTH DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES? >> I COULDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION. >> YES. I WILL SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER. DOES THAT WORK? IS THAT OKAY? I AM ASKING THAT YOUR AWARD PERIOD HERE, THE CHANGE DOES THAT COST US LESS? >> NO. IT'S GOING TO COST MORE THE CONTRACT WAS LET FOUR YEARS AGO. >> IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE THIS CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR THAT WE WERE USING PRIOR. >> OKAY, SO 2, 3 YEAR CONTRACTS MEANING THREE YEARS CONSECUTIVE? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THOSE YOU'LL NOTICE IS FOR A 24 HOUR CONTRACT. THE OTHERS ARE NOT. AND THAT'S FOR THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY AFTER HOURS MEETINGS AND ANYTHING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY IS HERE LATE AND GET STUCK AT AN ELEVATOR THAT WE CAN GET SOMEBODY HERE. YEAH. >> AND THERE'S NO OVERTIME, [INAUDIBLE] 24 HOUR CONTRACT. WAS THAT ONE HOUR SERVICE. >>.WAS THAT IN THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT? >> NO, SIR. NO. >> IT WAS NOT. WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT ONCE BEFORE, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESSED IT THIS TIME. >> GOOD THING TO HAVE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, 11 NEW [INAUDIBLE] GOOD. NOT YOU. >> WHO'S ON FIRST? >> GOOD MORNING. >> HOW ARE YOU? >> GOOD MORNING. GREAT. I WAS GLAD TO SEE THE COMPLETION OF THIS. AND WHAT IS THE TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE? >> SO THE TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE SINGLE POST MAINTENANCE BOND AND SOME OTHER FEES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE STREET LIGHTS FOR THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THAT FOR TWO YEARS. THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH AFTER THAT PERIOD. CHECK THE INFRASTRUCTURE, MAKE SURE IT'S STILL SOUND, AND IF IT IS AT THAT POINT, WE'LL COME BACK TO ACCEPT IT AS PUBLIC. THIS IS JUST THAT PROOFING PERIOD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT PERFORMS AND MOVE FORWARD. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> YES, MA'AM. >> WHAT KIND OF TESTING OR WHATNOT, DO WE DO WITH THAT? >> WHEN THEY GO AHEAD AND INSTALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEY HAVE TO DO THE MATERIALS TESTING, MAKE SURE THE CONCRETE COMPRESSIVE STRENGTHS, AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE THE SPECIFICATIONS. BASICALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AFTER THE TWO YEARS, WE'LL DO A FINAL WALK THROUGH, SEE IF THINGS ARE CRACKING, SETTLING, SPALLING, DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEFECTS THAT MIGHT OCCUR. THEN IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY'LL HAVE TO REPAIR THAT THROUGH THE MAINTENANCE BOND, [00:15:01] AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE WOULD ACCEPT IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ROB, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? >> [INAUDIBLE], ROBERT WINNE DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURAL ENGINEERING. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> BUT I'M GLAD YOU GOT THE BLACK MEMO. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY, 11B AS IN [INAUDIBLE]. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. DON'T YOU LOOK BRIGHT AND CHEERFUL. >> YOU DO. THIS ISN'T OUR COLOR. >> MAKES ME WANT TO HAVE A LAVENDER LATTE. >> PLEASE DO. THIS IS AN AWESOME PROJECT BEING AWARDED ON THE MURALS. IF YOU COULD JUST TELL US JUST A LITTLE BIT. >> YES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE COMMITTEE MET BARBARA SANDERSON, DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THE COMMITTEE MET AND HAD, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE FUNDING FOUR WONDERFUL PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO PUBLIC BUILDINGS. ONE IS OUR BAND SHELL. WE HAD SUCH GREAT RESPONSE FROM THE BAND SHELL. WE HAD TO HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING TO PICK ONE. THAT'S HOW FAKLY REMEMBERS. IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO CHOOSE. SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. ALSO, PUBLIC WORKS IS GETTING A MURAL AND ACTUALLY, THEY'RE GETTING TWO. YOUR BUILDING IS GOING TO REALLY LOOK NICE ON THE OUTSIDE AND THE INSIDE. THEN LASKER POOL, WE'RE REDOING THE MURAL OUT THERE. THESE ARE ALL FOUR GREAT PROJECTS ON CITY FACILITIES. >> ON THE PUBLIC WORKS, WHAT'S THE MURAL GOING TO LOOK LIKE? >> WELL, THE ONE ON THE INSIDE, I BELIEVE IT IS LIKE RECYCLING AND SHOWS THAT THERE'S TRASH AND STUFF PICK UP. IT'S GOING TO REALLY LOOK GOOD. ON THE OUTSIDE, IT JAZZES UP THE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. >> A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. YOU SAID ON LASKER POOL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, IS THAT THAT'S A COMPLETE REDO? >> YES. ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT ONE BEING SO CLOSE TO THE POOL AND CORROSIVE ENVIRONMENTS, IT TOOK ITS TOLL. >> YES. >> THEN ON THE ITEM 4, THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, THE PUBLIC WORKS ART INSTALLATION, THAT'S ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT THAT IS A PHYSICAL SCULPTURE? >> YES. BUT ON THE INSIDE. >> INSIDE IS THE MURAL. >> THE MURAL. >> GOT YOU. >> SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING AND EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS IN THERE, IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO COME IN AND LOOK AT JUST THE BLANK WALLS THEN. >> I'D LIKE TO GIVE A SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION BECAUSE THEY WORKED HARD. >> THEY DID A GREAT JOB. >> NOT JUST ON THE FUNDING SIDE, BUT REALLY MAKING SURE THAT THE METRICS THAT THEY WERE USING FOR EVALUATION WERE DONE PROPERLY. >> ONE ARE SUCH GREAT PROJECTS, ALL OF THEM. >> WE HAD A GREAT SELECTION FROM THE COMMUNITY. >> I JUST WANT TO ECHO THAT. I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE QUALITY OF THE SUBMISSIONS. THE COMMITTEE MUST HAD A HARD TIME PICKING ALL THESE GUYS. >> IT'S VERY HARD. THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING ABOUT THE BAND SHELL AT MENARD PARK. >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE FABULOUS. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO GET TOGETHER SOME ISLAND WIDE MURAL TOUR PACKAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THEM HERE REALLY SOON. >> YES, WE WILL. IT'S EXCITING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> BOTH THOSE COMMITTEES, CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, THEY'RE VERY ORGANIZED. THEY REALLY ADDRESS THESE THINGS WELL. >> 12A. JUST A QUESTION. THE DECKARD SOFTWARE AGREEMENT. DECKARD IS THE SOFTWARE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY USED WITH THE SHORT TERM RENT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> WAS THAT THE ONE THAT HAD QUITE A FEW GLITCHES? >> ABOUT GLITCHES, IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK HOPEFULLY IT'S ALL OVERCOME. >> THAT'S ONE YEAR. >> PEOPLE WERE RECEIVING NOTICES FOR STR THAT YOU DIDN'T OWN OR DIDN'T HAVE ANY. >> THIS EXTENSION OF THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE WITH THE CITY? >> YES. >> WITH PROPER TRAINING FOR THE SOFTWARE. >> I SEE ONE FROM THE LEFT AND ONE FROM THE RIGHT. >> [INAUDIBLE] I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION. >> MY QUESTION WAS, WAS THIS THE SAME SOFTWARE WITH GLITCHES IN IT, BUT I THINK BRIAN CLARIFIED THAT, SAYING THAT IT WAS MAYBE THE IMPLEMENTATION END OF IT, THE TRAINING END THAT MADE THIS NOT GIVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION. MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS THE SOFTWARE? [00:20:03] NUMBER 2, WHO IS GOING TO MANAGE? >> WE ARE. WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME THEIR CONTRACT, ARBOR'S CONTRACT. >> THAT MEANS ANY PROPER TRAINING FOR THAT SOFTWARE WILL HAPPEN ON THE END OF THE CITY? >> IT'S ALL GOING TO BE HERE. >> I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT GLITCHES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> I'M NOT AWARE OF THE GLITCHES. >> SOMEONE RECEIVED A NOTICE FROM DECKARD THAT SHE OWNED AN STR AND WAS BACK DUE ON HER REGISTRATION, AND SHE DOESN'T OWN THE STR, NEVER HAD ANY INTEREST IN THAT ADDRESS. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ALL SAYING. >> THIS WAS RECENT. THEN SOME OF THE STR OWNERS CAN ATTEST TO, THEY'VE HAD THAT ISSUE. ADDRESSES ARE WRONG. >> WITHOUT HAVING OWNERSHIP OF THE SOFTWARE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE MAY HAVE BEEN THAT RESULTED. >> IT BASED IN OREGON, RIGHT? >> I THINK IT'S CALIFORNIA. BUT SOFTWARE IS BASED ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY BASED DOESN'T NECESSARILY IMPACT. THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY ADDRESS ISSUES WITH A LOT OF OUR SOFTWARE, GETTING THE CORRECT ADDRESS IN EVERY SINGLE LOT IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH. ALSO, I BELIEVE THEY'VE SLOWED THE LETTERS COMING DIRECTLY FROM DECKARD AS A RESULT OF THAT. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ON THE CITY SIDE ONCE WE TAKE IT OVER. >> ONCE WE GET SOFTWARE, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. >> I FOUND IT WEIRD WITH THE NOTICE THAT IT HAD THE CITY SEAL, AND THEN IT WAS THE PARK BOARD SIGNATURE FROM DECKARD. >> THEN THIS WILL FIX ALL. >> IT SAID WHERE THE FUNDS ARE GOING. ASK YOUR COUNSEL PEOPLE WHERE THE FUNDS ARE GOING. >> THIS ITEM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S ITEM 3E ON OUR WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS. BUT SINCE WE'VE GOT IT UP HERE, LET'S GET OUR QUESTIONS OUT AND WE CAN POSSIBLY AVOID 3E, MARIE. >> WE GOT ALL THE STAFF HERE. >> LET ME PULL OUT MY 10 PAGE. >> WE'RE READY. >> WE KNOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE SOFTWARE WAS THE CALL CENTER, WHICH IS TIED INTO THE SOFTWARE. ARE WE GOING TO NOT USE THAT PIECE AND USE OUR OWN CALL CENTER? >> YES. >> THAT IS THE PLAN, YES. >> WHAT TIMELINE ARE WE LOOKING AT? >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? >> WHAT TIMELINE ARE WE LOOKING ON THAT FOR TRANSITIONING TO OUR OWN CALL CENTER? >> WELL, OCTOBER 1 IS THE DATE WE'RE PROPOSING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW. PART OF THAT IS JUST THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUNCH OF STEPS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN. THE DECKARD CONTRACT STILL CONTAINS THE CALL CENTER, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T PLAN TO BE USING THAT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT USERS HAVE. SO PART OF IT IS GETTING OUR CALL CENTER TRAINED ON HOW TO RESPOND TO, HEY, WHEN YOU'RE USING THE DECKARD WEBSITE, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TRAINING, AS YOU INDICATED, WITH OUR STAFF, SO THEY CAN HELP ACCOMMODATE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE END OF USING THAT SITE. >> OUR CALL CENTERS STOOD UP NOW. SO WE'RE READY TO GO AS FAR AS PERSONNEL AND CENTER. >> THEN, WELL, TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THE SOFTWARE RIGHT NOW, AS THE SOFTWARE HAS TOLD US, THERE IS 1,000 PEOPLE WHO AREN'T REGISTERED. ARE WE GOING TO AGGRESSIVELY TAKE THAT ON? OBVIOUSLY DECKARD DOESN'T DO THAT. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THOSE 1,000 PEOPLE? >> I THINK CLEARLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS ONCE WE GET CONTROL OF BOTH THE REGISTRATION AND THE PAYMENT SOFTWARE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COORDINATE AND CONSOLIDATE THE TWO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION. IF THAT LIST SUPPOSEDLY GENERATES A CONFLICT, BASICALLY, SOMEBODY THAT'S ADVERTISING AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT ISN'T REGISTERED. WE JUST HAVE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO NOTICE THEM AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON IT. BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT TO THIS POINT. SO AS SOON AS WE TAKE IT OVER, THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY FOR US, TO GET PEOPLE REGISTERED. >> THEN THE NEXT PIECE, WHETHER WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH DECKARD OR CHANGE TO A BETTER SOFTWARE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS THE BEST, ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE ORDINANCES THAT TIE TO SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE APPLICATIONS, SUCH AS, I BELIEVE EVERY SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT WE DO AN ORDINANCES HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO TRASHCANS? [00:25:05] >> WE CAN ADDRESS EVERYTHING LIKE THAT ONCE WE CONTROL IT. >> WE CAN ADDRESS IT THROUGH THAT SOFTWARE. >> WELL, WE CAN ADDRESS THE APPLICATION PROCESS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPLY AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEN YOU HAVE TO ATTEST TO THAT YOU HAVE THESE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE COMPLIANT WITH OUR ORDINANCE. >> WE CAN VERIFY. >> THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT I MAY COME BACK. >> THERE'S NINE MORE PAGES. >> WELL, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. CHILLA, ARE YOU JUST PLANNING NOT ON SLEEPING THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS DOING [INAUDIBLE]? >> [LAUGHTER] SLEEPS ARE OVERRATED. >> WHEN IT IS COMING TO THE TRANSITION OF MOVING ITEMS FROM THE PARK BOARD OVER TO THE CITY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW, QUITE A FEW. >> AT STAFF LEVEL, WE'RE WORKING QUITE WELL TOGETHER. >> YOU ARE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE BEEN GETTING REPORTS, SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME THAT YOU'RE SPENDING, BOB. >> JUST A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS, I GUESS. BASED ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY HEARD FROM ATTORNEYS HERE AT THE CITY, THE DATA THAT YOU COLLECT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF YOUR ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHEN THIS ORDINANCE IS STILL IN A DRAFT FORMAT. WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN ANY SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT AND GET THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE EFFECTIVELY ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE. THE OTHER THING IS, I'M WONDERING, DOES DECKARD, DOES THIS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DEVELOP A PUBLIC FACING DATA FEEDBACK? LIKE SOMETHING WE PUT ON OUR WEBSITE THAT'S FORMATTED THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT ALL THE DATA IS AND THEY CAN GO THERE AND GET INFORMATION ON EVERYTHING THAT THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT SHORT TERM, VERY MUCH LIKE SAN ANTONIO'S SHORT TERM RENTAL WEBSITE. >> WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE SOFTWARE AT THIS POINT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF REPORTING WE'RE GOING TO BE CAPABLE OF. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, ULTIMATELY, IF THE DATA IS THERE, WE CAN EVENTUALLY GET THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO PROMISE ANYTHING IN THE NEXT, LET'S SAY 12 MONTHS. BECAUSE AS WE TRANSITION IT, WE HAVE TO LEARN IT BEFORE WE CAN GENERATE INFORMATION THAT'S NEVER BEEN GENERATED BEFORE. I THINK REPORTING LIKE THAT WILL BE VALUABLE, BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO TRANSITION, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, AS THE MAYOR SUGGESTED, THERE'S A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR, SO WE GOT TO GET THAT. >> WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT QUALITY OF DATA WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING. >> THAT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION, IS IT THE RIGHT SOFTWARE OR NOT? WE WON'T REALLY KNOW THAT UNTIL WE GET A CHANCE TO REALLY CONFIRM. >> WE'LL KNOW IT BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR. >> THERE WAS A VETTING PROCESS BEFORE THEY SELECTED DECKARD. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS FOUND TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION AT THE TIME. AGAIN, THAT WAS DECISION MADE BY THE PARK BOARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFORMATION REPORTING IT HAS BUILT IN ITS CAPABILITY INTERNAL TO IT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING EXTERNAL WE CAN LOOK AT, BUT WE TRULY NEED TO GET CONTROL OF IT. BUT THE PARK BOARD DID THAT BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT, AND THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS. >> THAT'S TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, TOO. >> SOFTWARE EVOLVES. >> IT'S A ONE YEAR CONTRACT. >> WE'RE ONLY EXTENDING ONE YEAR. BUT AT THIS POINT, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROCESS TO ESTABLISH THE SCOPE TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER. WE NEED TO FAMILIARIZE OURSELVES BEFORE WE FINISH. >> THE OTHER THING GOT BACK TO YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE NEED THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN DO ENFORCEMENT. WELL, REMEMBER, THE ENFORCEMENT IS WAY MORE THAN INFORMATION. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT. >> WE ALREADY HAVE ORDINANCES THAT ARE UPDATED THAT CAN BE ENFORCED. >> THAT'S A PRODUCT OF RESOURCES. I KNOW COUNSEL HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT. THE STAND UP ENFORCEMENT TAKES PEOPLE. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. KEEP IN MIND THAT ENFORCEMENT IS LIMITED BY THE RESOURCES WE HAVE TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT. >> CORRECT. I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE COMMUNITY TOO. I'VE BEEN GETTING CALLS. THIS ITEM THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS FOR THE TRANSFER, THE PROCESS OF COLLECTING THE HOT TAX, MOVING BACK TO THE CITY. IT IS NOT THAT THE CITY IS TAKING OVER ALL THE HOT TAX AND USING IT FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GETTING A FAIR NUMBER OF CALLS. >> MARIE, QUITE HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW, IT'S A VERY AWKWARD PROCESS. PEOPLE PAY HOT TO THE PARK BOARD, THE PARK BOARD COLLECTS THE HOT AND PARK BOARD TRANSFERS THE HOT TO THE CITY. THE CITY THEN VIA HOT CONTRACT, TRANSFERS THE MONEY BACK TO THE PARK BOARD. IT'S A CITY TAX. CITY COLLECTS A TAX AND WE DISTRIBUTE IT THROUGH UNDER A HOT CONTRACT TO THE PARK BOARD. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE CITY COLLECTED THE HOT TAX UP UNTIL 2015. >> IT DID. >> IT DID. >> BUT THAT WAS AN ISSUE, BOTH THE TRUSTEES AND COUNSEL HAD THE NUMBER OF TRANSFERS, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE EASIEST LEAST TRANSFER. >> I AGREE. >> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. [00:30:01] >> IT'S A CITY TAX, AND IT NEEDS TO BE BACK INTO THE CITY'S MANAGEMENT ON THE COLLECTION AS SIMPLE AS THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? >> APPARENTLY. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, WE ARE BECAUSE THIS IS 12A, BUT SINCE WE'RE HERE, I THOUGHT WE COULD JUST GET THAT CLEARED OUT AND I COME BACK TO 3A. >> I'D HAD A QUESTION THEN. >> YES, SIR. >> IN THIS HOT TRANSFER, I'M INTERESTED ON WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON THE PARK BOARD'S, I GUESS, THEIR OPERATIONS, THEIR STAFFING, THEIR APPROVED BUDGET, EVERYTHING THAT THEY ALREADY GOT PLANNED. WE KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON THAT? >> WHEN COUNSEL APPROVES THE FY '26 BUDGET FOR THE PARK BOARD, PARK BOARD IS GOING TO PRESENT IT AS THEY ALWAYS DO, AND COUNSEL WILL APPROVE IT. BASED ON THAT, THEY WILL BE FUNDED AS COUNSEL APPROVES THEM TO BE FUNDED. THE COLLECTION ISN'T RELATED TO THAT. >> TWENTY FIVE? >> YEAH. THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT THEY'RE UNDER RIGHT NOW. >> IT SHOULDN'T IMPACT THE CURRENT BUDGET AT ALL. THERE'S ONE STAFF MEMBER THAT DOES ALL OF THE COLLECTIONS FOR STRS AND HOT. WE'RE HOPING TO HIRE HER AT THE CITY BECAUSE SHE'S A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND AN EXCELLENT EMPLOYEE. AS PART OF THAT TRANSITION, OUR HOPE IS THAT SHE COMES TO WORK FOR THE CITY, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO LEAVE PARK BOARD WITHOUT SOMEBODY TO HANDLE THE HOT COLLECTIONS ON THEIR END AND REALLY WITHOUT A FUNDING SOURCE TO FUND THAT POSITION ADEQUATELY. OVERALL, OPERATIONALLY, IT WILL MAKE SENSE FOR THEM AS WELL FOR BOTH OF THOSE FUNCTIONS TO MOVE AT THE SAME TIME ON OCTOBER 1 OR WHATEVER DATE IS SELECTED. >> IT HAS NO OTHER BUDGET OR STAFFING IMPACT IN THAT? >> IT SHOULD NOT, NO. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. I HAVE HEARD ANECDOTALLY THAT ONE PERSON IS NOT ENOUGH. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WELL [OVERLAPPING] >> PROBABLY ACCURATE. THAT'S WHY THE MURRAY'S ISSUE DEALING WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE UNREGISTERED AND STILL OPERATING. >> HOW MUCH AND HOT WAS COLLECTED LAST YEAR? >> ABOUT 29.7 MILLION. >> TWENTY NINE MILLION FOR ONE PERSON. IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE. >> THE STRS ARE REALLY THE VERY CUMBERSOME PART OF THAT. YOU'RE DOING THE REGISTRATIONS, AND THEN YOU'RE DOING COLLECTIONS ON ALL OF THESE SMALLER PIECES. THERE'S THE TWO LARGE AGGREGATORS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SMALLER PIECES THAT YOU'RE TYING TOGETHER AND THERE'S A LOT OF CUSTOMERS. >> SENDING THE AUDITED BILL. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, I LISTENED TO THE PARK BOARD'S MEETING YESTERDAY AND THE CHAIRMAN EXPRESSED DISMAY. IT ALMOST SOUNDED LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE HAD PUT IN OUR STAFF REPORT THAT THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDED THIS. IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN CLEAR IN THE STAFF REPORT IF WE WOULD PUT PARKOARD STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S DONE AT THE STAFF LEVEL. THE TRUSTEES, JUST LIKE COUNCIL, YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE. YOU WANT TO SEE THE SAUSAGE. WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE STAFF LEVEL, THE STAFF LEVEL SAYS, WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO REGISTRATIONS, AND YOU REALLY NEED TO DO ALL OF IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SOFTWARE, IT'S BEST TO DO IT ALL OF IT BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE HANDLES BOTH SIDES OF THE TRANSACTION. THAT'S HOW THIS ITEM GOT HERE. >> BE PART OF IT, I'M SORRY. [INAUDIBLE] >> I HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] TO GO. >> THIS ARRANGEMENT WILL, OF COURSE, IMPACT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. >> YEAH. >> RIGHT. IT WILL ALSO REQUIRE PARK BOARDS REVIEW AND APPROVAL AS PART OF THIS WHOLE ITERATIVE PROCESS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> BASED ON TODAY'S COUNCIL, I HAVE A DRAFT INTERLOCAL, THAT'S READY TO GO, AND I'LL BE SENDING IT TO THEM BASED ON A'S ACTIONS TODAY AND HOW THIS WENT, DEALING WITH THE HOT COLLECTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL START THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN EARNEST. >> YEAH. >> WE REMOVED THE PARKS CLEARLY FROM THERE. IT'S MORE OF WHAT SERVICES IS A PARK BOARD PROVIDING FOR US? ARE THEY DOING EAST BEACH, SEAWALL, URBAN PARK AREA, PICKING UP TRASH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS? THE HOT COLLECTIONS IS JUST A LINE ITEM THAT'LL BE DELETED FROM THE INTERLOCAL. >> YEAH. I'LL JUST BRING IT UP REGARDING THE TIMING OF ALL OF THIS, HOW LONG THIS IS ALL GOING TO TAKE. WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OCTOBER 1. >> THIS IS HOT COLLECTIONS OF ALL THE THINGS MAY BE EASIER THAN OTHERS. >> JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT BOB JUST SAID. HE JUST SAID THE PARK BOARD CAN GIVE THEIR APPROVAL. NO. THIS IS HAPPENING. >> THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. >> CORRECT. IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE PARK BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE TO US TO DO IS TO REVIEW THE INTERLOCAL ANY CONTRACT. THE INTER CONTRACT. WE APPROVE THIS WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY PERFUNCTORY, BUT IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARK BOARD TO REVIEW CONTRACT. >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO, COUNCIL MEMBER, IS IN THIS CONTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DELINEATE WHAT OUR SERVICE EXPECTATIONS ARE WITH THE PARK BOARD. THEY'RE GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS FOR US, AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DELINEATE THROUGH THE INTERLOCAL, WHAT THOSE WOULD BE? THEY'RE GOING TO PICK UP TRASH ON THE SEAWALL. YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP DEBRIS ALONG THE BEACH. WHAT IS THE CITY'S EXPECTATION? THERE'S SOMETHING MEASURABLE. WE GO BACK AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND SAY, YEAH, [00:35:01] YOU ACCOMPLISHED THAT OR NO, YOU DIDN'T, AND IF YOU DIDN'T, THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE DIFFERENT. >> YEAH. >> THOSE LEVEL OF EXPECTATIONS HAVE NEVER BEEN ANYWHERE ELSE. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN PRIOR INTERLOCALS. THIS INTERLOCAL SHOULD BE CLEANER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE THE PARKS OUT, GOING TO TAKE COLLECTIONS OUT, THE COLLECTION OF BEACH USER FOR SEAWALL PARKING OUT. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO RESIDE AS A CITY NOW, AND THEN WE'LL FUND THE PARK BOARD FOR THE ACTIVITIES THAT THEY DO FOR THE CITY AS A SERVICE. >> YEAH, THE CONTRACT IS GOING TO CLARIFY ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT IS MAKING SURE BOTH PARTIES UNDERSTAND ALL THIS. >> WE HAD [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO. I WAS JUST GOING TO BRING UP TO THE POINT THAT IT ISN'T A ONE-PERSON JOB. BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THROUGH GLENN'S AUDIT, WE LOST WHAT? [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH, THE REGULAR HOT TAX AUDIT. >> JUST WHEN HE GAVE THEM LETTERS OF PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T PAYING THEIR HOT TAX, AND WE LOST, LIKE 100,000 100,000 OR MORE. >> WHAT HAPPENS COUNCIL MEMBER IS THAT THAT'S ON A ROLLING BASIS. WE CAN GO BACK X NUMBER OF MONTHS. IF YOU DELAY THE COLLECTION EFFORTS, THEN YOU LOSE THAT OLDEST MONTH AND PICK UP AN EARLIER MONTH. BUT YOU DO LOSE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE HAD TO PICK UP EARLIER MONTHS, BUT IT WASN'T A WINDFALL. IT WAS MOST. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE LACK OF TIMELY COLLECTIONS RESULTS IN FAILURE. [OVERLAPPING]. >> BUT IF IT'S ALL IN-HOUSE, THEN YOU HOLD GLEN'S RESPONSIBLE. [OVERLAPPING] >> GLENN DOES THE HOT AUDIT, GOES TO FINANCE. FINANCE SENDS THE BILL AND THE LEGAL IS RIGHT THERE. IT'S ALL IN HOUSE. >> YOU KNOW WHERE TO LOOK. IF YOU HAVE ISSUES, YOU LOOK INTERNAL. >> SORRY, WITH THE INTERLOCAL, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE CHANGING IT. THERE'S ALSO AN OVERSIGHT DUTY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE INTERLOCALS ARE EXECUTED PROPERLY BY BOTH PARTIES. THAT WOULD BE THE COUNCIL'S ROLE IN THOSE AND MAKING SURE BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE COLLECTIONS AND THE EXPENDITURES, AND WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE IT'S FOLLOWED TO A T, AS THE INTERLOCAL SAYS. >> I THINK SO MUCH MORE OF THE HOT CONTRACT. THE BULK OF THE FUNDING IS YOUR HOT CONTRACT IS HOW THEY SPEND THE HOT THAT WE ALLOCATE TO THEM THROUGH THEIR BUDGET PROCESS. TO THE LESSER EXTENT, THE UTILIZATION OF THE BEACH USER FEE. WE'RE DELINEATING IN THE INTERLOCAL REPORTING BACK TO US. THAT WOULD BE DONE AT ALL A STAFF LEVEL. THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, CERTAINLY PROVIDE COUNCIL ANY REPORTING YOU ALL WANT. BUT IT STARTS AT THE STAFF LEVEL, AND THE BASIS OF ALL OF THAT IS WHAT THE SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATION IS. WE WOULD GO FROM THERE. >> IT'S WRAPPED AS [OVERLAPPING]. >> I, TOO, WAS SURPRISED AS YOU WERE WHEN I WATCHED THE PARK BOARD MEETING TO HEAR THE CHAIR SAY THAT, BUT I WAS VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THE STAFF SAY THAT, YES, THEY RECOMMEND THAT THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. >> IT MAKES COMMON SENSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS. >> THAT CLEARED 3E. >> THAT CLEARS 3E. YES, SIR. >> I HAD TWO THINGS DONE AND ONE. SEE THROUGH THIS. I MIGHT GET OUT BY THREE FAST. >> THAT'S. WE MIGHT MAKE IT BEFORE 5:00. ANYTHING ELSE, SHARON? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALEX. >> YOU GOT ENOUGH FOR MURRAY? >> I DO. FROM SYSTEM BAU. I DO. I ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR ITEMS, EVEN IF I MAY RE-ENERATE 5, 6 ITEMS, HOW MUCH, I DO NOT LIKE THE NEW AGENDA CENTER. I'M GOING TO START WITH THE FIRST ONE BECAUSE I DID READ THROUGH ITS NO POTABLE WATER. >> WHAT ITEM, WHICH ONE? >> WHICH ITEM? >> EIGHT. >> SAME. >> THE MSD? >>YEAH, I CAN REMEMBER THE NUMBER THOUGH. I READ THROUGH IT AND READ THROUGH IT, AND I'M REALLY LIKE, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DOING? >> BRIAN CLEVENGER WITH ENSAFE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR SAM PAPER COKE. I'M GOING TO ASK BRIAN [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE. MAYBE HELP ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. BUT THE MSD IS BASICALLY AN APPLICATION THAT THE LAND OWNER CAN GO AHEAD AND APPLY TO THE CITY FOR WHERE THEY PUT A RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S LIKE A RESTRICTED COVENANT ON THE PROPERTY AND BASICALLY SAYS THAT THEY CANNOT USE GROUNDWATER FROM THAT SITE FOR DRINKING PURPOSES. THAT'S THE HIGH LEVEL. >> WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO? >> WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF FACTORS GOING TO. I'VE BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF DOING AN IS MINE INDUSTRY BECAUSE THIS IS SIDES DISTRICT ISN'T GOING TO ALLOW ANY NEW WELLS ON THE ISLAND ANYWAY. [00:40:02] >> THEY HAD A WELL? >> NO. BUT IT KEEPS ANY FUTURE OWNERS FROM PUTTING IN WELL. >> WE'RE TYING IT TO THE SANDPIPER BECAUSE THEY'RE THE FIRST ONES REQUESTING IT, BUT WE'RE MAKING A GLOBAL OR DONE. NO. >> NO, THERE'S BEEN FOUR OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE ISLAND THAT HAVE DONE TO AMNESTY, AND IT'S JUST FOR A SPECIFIC BOUNDARY. SO IN THIS CASE WITH [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]. >> DIGS A WELL WHERE THERE'S KEROSENE TANKS AND FEEDS OR GIVES THEIR RESIDENTS DRINKING WATER? >>WERE THERE SOME HEAVY METALS OR OTHER THINGS PAST USE ON THE PROPERTY OR SALTY GROUND WATER. >> SALTY ALREADY IN THAT LEVEL, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE R STICK OR OTHER HYDROCARBONS, OTHER THINGS. >> BUT WAS THE NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING AT THIS OR THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT NEVER HAPPENED? LIKE THEY WERE THE ONE. OKAY. >> MAYBE PRETEXT, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU READ THROUGH, BUT IT'S A STATE PROGRAM. >> SPEAK OF BELITTLE ONES [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE STATE OF PROGRAM. I'M BRIAN CLEVENGER WITH ENSAFE AND I AM WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, REPRESENTATIVE OF PROPERTY OWNER SANSON BUBBLE. THE MUNICIPAL SETTING DESIGNATION IS A STATE STATUTORY PROGRAM THAT YOU CAN USE TO RESTRICT SOMEONE DRINKING GROUNDWATER ON A PROPERTY AND IT'S DONE TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH. THAT WAS THE FINDING OF THE LEGISLATURE. BASICALLY, IT'S IN A HISTORICAL INDUSTRIAL AREA, AND THERE WERE SOME ISOLATED LOCALIZED SOIL IMPACTS AND GROUNDWATER IMPACTS THAT WOULD IF YOU WERE TO IF SOMEBODY WERE TO GO DOWN AND DRINK THAT WATER, IT COULD POTENTIALLY OVER TIME CAUSE THEM HARM. THAT'S THAT'S A GENERAL IDEA. AS YOU ALL KNOW, NO ONE'S DRINKING GROUNDWATER FROM 20 FEET DOWN IN GALVESTON. IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. THERE'S ACTUALLY NO WATER WELLS WITHIN ANYWHERE ON BASICALLY ON THE ISLAND THAT ANYONE'S USING FROM THAT ZONE. WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS DONE IS REMEDIATED THE SOIL IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S PROTECTIVE AND GOTTEN STATE APPROVAL FOR THAT WORK. THEN THEY'RE REQUESTING WHAT EFFECTIVELY IS A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT ON THE GROUNDWATER USE SO THAT THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT IT'S PROTECTIVE AND THAT NO ONE'S DRINKING THAT GROUNDWATER. IT ONLY APPLIES TO THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO DO STATUTORY NOTIFICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. FOR THE AREA, WE HAVE TO INFORM PEOPLE THAT THIS IS OCCURRING. BUT BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS LIMITED TO THAT PROPERTY AND THE PROGRAM WORKS. IT IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR THAT PROPERTY AND DOES'T AFFECT ANYONE ELSE. THE GENTLEMAN HERE WAS JUST SAYING THERE'S SOME BENEFIT IN DOING THIS IN OTHER AREAS BECAUSE NO ONE SHOULD BE DRINKING THIS GROUNDWATER. >> RIGHT. >> BUT FOR THESE PURPOSES, YOU ENROLL A PROPERTY AT A STATE OF TEXAS CLEANUP PROGRAM, OF TEXAS COMMISSION ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CLEANUP PROGRAM, IN THIS CASE, THE VOLUNTARY CLEANUP PROGRAM, AND THEN IT'S LIMITED TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER GIVING AUTHORIZATION GOING THROUGH SITE INVESTIGATION SO THAT THE STATE UNDERSTANDS THAT INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN DONE. ALL POTENTIAL EXPOSURE PATHWAYS, NOT JUST GROUNDWATER ARE UNDERSTOOD TO BE PROTECTIVE OF HUMAN HEALTH. IT'S A TARGETED STUDY, AND IT APPLIES ONLY TO THAT PROPERTY. I GUESS. >> DID THEY DO IT WITH, LIKE, THAT REMEDIATION PROCESS, WHERE THEY ONLY GO DOWN SO MANY FEET AND PUT THE MEMBRANE IN OR? >> THE SOIL REMEDIATION PROCESS WAS TO PROTECT BUILDING INTEGRITY, THEY DIDN'T GO DOWN TO DESTROY THE BUILDINGS, BUT THEY WENT DOWN SUFFICIENTLY HOLE A PUT IN A BARRIER, PUT IN CLEAN FILL, LANDSCAPE IT, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER ACTUALLY PUT AN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE PLAN IN THAT'S RECORDED WITH THE STATE THAT SAYS, LOOK IF ANYONE'S HERE. THEY HAVE TO STORE THIS. THEY HAVE TO PUT THE PILL BACK. THEY HAVE TO USE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE IDEA, AGAIN TO BE PROTECTIVE. THAT SOIL INVOLVE [INAUDIBLE]. THERE'S NO VAPOR INTRUSION EXPOSURE TO THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS, AND THE GROUNDWATER WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER OPEN EXPOSURE PATHWAY POTENTIALLY. WE'RE MITIGATING THAT POTENTIAL EXPOSURE PATHWAY JUST TO SAY THAT NOBODY CAN EVER PUT A WELL EAR AND GRID. >> BECAUSE WE'RE DOING AN ORDINANCE, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO ADD TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ONE, NOBODY COULD USE IT AS POTABLE WATER, OR AS LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION WATER? BECAUSE IF IT'S CONTAMINATED, IT'S CONTAMINATED. >> CORRECT. >> I DIDN'T READ THAT IN THERE. >> THE GROUNDWATER CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OF THE ITSELF. >> AGAIN, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> CITY COUNCIL DONA FAIRWEATHER, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON. THE MSD ORDINANCE IS A TYPICAL MSD ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE USED IN THE PAST. WE'VE HAD, I BELIEVE, FOUR MSD ORDINANCES. WE'VE USED IT FOR THE OLD INCINERATOR PROPERTY. WE'VE USED IT FOR [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTIES. [00:45:04] IT USUALLY INCLUDES ALL OF THAT VERBIAGE. I'LL GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE APPLICABLE LANGUAGE IS INCLUDED. IT IS REVIEWED BY TCQ BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR THE MSD TO BE APPROVED, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH TCEQ. >> THEY WILL CERTIFY IT. >> THEY WILL CERTIFY IT. IF THE APPLICABLE LANGUAGE IS NOT THERE, IT WILL BE KICKED BACK TO US FOR REVIEW OR REVISION, BUT I BELIEVE ALL THE LANGUAGE [INAUDIBLE] >> IT SHOULD BE THERE. >> YES. >> I LOVE YOUR TALK BY THE WAY. >> THANK YOU. >> BUT THANK YOU TO THE OWNER FOR DOING THIS, TOO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BOB, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS IS A PERFUNCTORY PART OF A REMEDIATION PROCESS AND THE DATA COLLECTING AND RECORDING EVERY. IT'S NOT AS THOUGH SOMEBODY IS ASKING OR WANTING TO PUT A WELL IN THE GROUND PART OF THE REMEDIATION PROCESS. >> IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS. IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-TIME DEAL. >> IT WOULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE THERE'S A REMEDIATION PROJECT LIKE THAT? >> YES. IT'S BEEN DONE THE LAST TIME I COUNTED ON THAT APPLICATION OF 525 TIMES IN TEXAS. WE'VE DONE A HANDFUL OF OUR COMPANY FOR OUR CLIENTS. IT'S FAIRLY COMMON AND WELL KNOWN TO THE STATE, AND THEY DO CHECK IT THOROUGHLY AND RIGOROUSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. [INAUDIBLE] >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MURRAY. ANYTHING ELSE? >> YES. I AM GOING TO GO TO 11F. BUT I THINK THIS IS ALSO 11R, TOO. BOTH HAVE TO DO WITH THE WATER LINE GOING UNDER THE COAST. [NOISE] >> DIRECTOR WAS ASKED RECOVERS. I MISSED THE QUESTION. >> 11F, BUT I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM THAT ARE INVOLVED ON THE WATER LINE. SORRY I ALWAYS TAKE MY NOTES ON MY LITTLE PHONE HERE. ELEVEN F AND 11Y, SO WE CAN KNOCK OUT AS MANY TWO-PHASE AS POSSIBLE. ELEVEN F, IT SAYS, REFLECTING THE REDUCTION IN A GRANT AWARD. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> WE HAD A INITIAL REGIONAL ALLOCATION OF THESE FUNDS OF LIKE 15,764,100, AND WE INITIALLY REQUESTED THE ONE PROJECT FOR 59TH STREET WATER STORAGE TANK. WE WANTED THE WHOLE AMOUNT FOR THAT IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE AT THE TIME, WE DID NOT HAVE THE CONGRESSIONAL EARMARKS IN OUR HANDS. ONCE WE GOT THE TWO CONGRESSIONAL EARMARKS. >> YOU MEAN COMMUNITY AWARDS. WE DON'T CALL EARMARKS ANYMORE. >> COMMUNITY AWARDS. ONCE WE GOT THE INDIVIDUAL $210 MILLION, WE REQUESTED THE GLO TO MOVE A LITTLE OVER HALF OF THAT MONEY OVER TO THE WATER LINE, WHICH IN TURN MEANS WE DON'T HAVE A MATH ON THAT. WE'RE USING THE 10 MILLION IN THE CONGRESSIONAL SPENDING, AND WE'RE USING THE GLO. WHEN WE DID THE MATH THAT WE STARTED SEPARATING OUT THE COST BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, IT DID REDUCE IT BY ABOUT $20,000. >> THEN THAT RELATES TO THE OTHER ONE, WHICH IS 11R, I THINK. >> THAT'S THE GRANT ADMINISTRATION FOR THE START OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENGINEERING FINALIZATION AND GETTING THAT PROJECT READY TO BID. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I DO. THIS ONLY TOOK ME SIX HOURS WITH THE NEW HARV AGENDA CENTER, JUST SAYING, 11N. >> GOOD MORNING. >> WE JUST LIKED YOUR OUTFIT SO MUCH. ALL SHOULD TEAM UP, THOUGH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A PURPLE SHIRT ON TODAY, AND WE COULDN'T ALL THAT GREEN. [OVERLAPPING] HOW MANY FREE PARKING SPOTS DO WE END UP WITH? >> THIRTY. >> IS THAT REALLY THE MOST WE CAN DO? >> CLAUDE, THE RESOURCES MANAGER. [00:50:01] WE HAVE THOSE 30 IN AN AREA RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOT MATERIAL THERE. THE GROUND HAS GOT MATERIAL LEFT OVER FROM WHEN TEXTILE WAS THERE, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY IMPROVEMENT FOR PEOPLE PARKING ON THE GRASS OR ANYTHING. WE CAN ADD MORE IF WE DETERMINE. WE JUST PICKED THAT SPOT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY AN APPROVED AREA AND JUST NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO PARK ON THE GRASS AND IF WE NEED TO, WE COULD DO SOME MORE HEAD IN PARKING IN THAT AREA. BUT THIS WAS JUST AREA THAT WE PICKED IT'S ABOUT 10% OF THE PARKING SPOTS OUT THERE ON THAT AXIS 0.13. >> IS THAT OUR REQUIREMENT FROM GLO? >> IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR GLO OR ANYTHING. >> I KNOW ON THE SEABOARD, WE'RE REQUIRED A PERCENTAGE OF THE SPOTS. >> WE HAVE TO REQUIRE SOME FREE PARKING. WE CAN'T HAVE ALL PAID PARKING IN AN AREA. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME FREE PARKING COMPARABLE. THERE'S NOT A PERCENTAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK ALONG THE SEAWALL, WE HAVE LIKE 10%. BUT THIS AREA IT'S ABOUT 10%. I SAID, IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN IMPROVE THAT SMART BUT THESE AREAS JUST ALREADY IMPROVED. WE'RE NOT TO DO ANYTHING BUT WE HAVE TO. >> I KNOW BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE AREA THAT WAS IMPROVED AND I'M GOING TO GO TO BRIAN. WAS IT PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH TEXTA THEY COULD USE THAT AS A LAY-DOWN AREA AS LONG AS THEY CAME BACK AND THEY WERE GOING TO IMPROVE THAT AREA? >> THE AGREEMENT WAS WITH THE COUNTY IN TEXTA. WE UNDERSTOOD FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE AREA WITH MATERIALS BUT THEY DIDN'T. I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY QUANTIFIED HOW MUCH OR WHAT LEVEL. >> IS IT WORTH? I WORK WITH TEXTA ALL THE TIME ON THE PELICAN ISLAND IF WE ASK THEM. >> BUT IT WAS AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENT WAS NOT WITH TEXTA. THE AGREEMENT WAS WITH THE CONTRACTOR, WHO'S LONG GONE. >> THE WHOLE OTHER LINE TOOK A LONG TIME TO CLEAN UP? >> IT DID IT TOOK THEM FOREVER. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FREE SPOTS THERE. >> WELL, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON THAT TOPIC. JUST TO CLARIFY, 10% OF THEM ARE CHARGED, AND THE REST OF THEM ARE FREE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> NO. ABOUT 10% OF THE SPACE IS OUT THERE. WE HAVE ABOUT 273. THIS IS ABOUT 30. ABOUT 10% OF THEM WOULD BE A FREE AREA. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT CLARIFIES THAT. THE OTHER THING IS, HOW MUCH REVENUE DO YOU EXPECT TO GET FROM THIS CHANGE? >> WE'LL BE CHARGING SOME ON BEACH PARKING FOR SOME OF THE AREAS ON BEACH. >> PARKING TO PARKING LOTS CHEAPER. >> BEACH PARKING, IT'S LIKE POCKET PARK CHARGE PARK ON THE BEACH. GO DOWN ON A WEEKEND. IT'S PROBABLY 30,50 CARS. >> DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTION OR ANYTHING? >> I DON'T HAVE A PROJECTION. NO, SIR. >> IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE THE COUNTY USED IT AFTER HURRICANE IKE. WE DIDN'T GET GOOD NUMBERS WHEN THE PARK BOARD WAS RUNNING IT. >> WHEN THE COUNTY RAN IT BACK WHEN I DID IT, WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, THAT WAS THE LOWEST PERFORMING AREA. IT NEVER REALLY DREW A TON OF PEOPLE. >> IT'S STARTING TO DRAW PEOPLE. >> IT'S STARTING TO NOW. I THINK ALL THE BEACHES ARE. >> I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER ON THAT POCKET PARK 3 BEFORE IT WAS HIGHLY USED BY BOTH RESIDENTS AND BECAUSE IT HAD THE SERVICES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO GET MORE SERVICES BACK THERE. BUT I AM ALSO GOING TO BE MONITORING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE FREE SPOTS THERE. I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE NO PROTECTIONS AT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS OF NOT HAVING PEOPLE INUNDATE THEM WITH BEACH PARKING. THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE PUBLIC SAFETY, SO I'LL BE WATCHING. JUST SAYING. >> HELP FUND PUBLIC SAFETY AT THE POCKET PARKS. >> BUT NOT IN NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL HAVE THE ISSUES BECAUSE ONCE YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PARK, YOU GO TO THE FREE AREA. >> YES, BO. >> CAN YOU REMIND ME IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE ARE WOOD PROGRAMS WILL BE IN PLACE FOR LOCALS FOR A YEARLY ACCESS OR IS THERE ANYTHING AVAILABLE FOR LOCALS? >> THERE'S A PASS, YOU CAN BUY AN ULTIMATE PASS OR JUST A SEASON PASS. ULTIMATE PASS, YOU CAN GO TO ANY OF THE PARKS WITH YOUR PASS. I THINK IT'S WHAT $90 A YEAR? >> NO. I THINK THE PASS IS $50. WE CAN'T CHARGE ANYMORE FOR OUR BEACH MORE THAN $15 A DAY AND ANNUAL PASS OF $50. >> IF YOU GO TO THE BEACH A LOT, $50 IS A GOOD THING. >> THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ANNUAL PASS YOU CAN BUY FOR THE SEAWALL? >> NO, IT CAN INCLUDE THE SEAWALL. >> THE SEAWALL ANNUAL PASS INCLUDES THE PARKS? [00:55:08] >> I THINK ONE'S AN ULTIMATE PASS. >> YOU CAN BUY ONE JUST FOR THE SEAWALL OR THERE'S AN ULTIMATE PASS THAT COVERS ALL THE PARKS. >> BUT THEY'RE BOTH 50 BUCKS. >> NO, ONE THAT'S CHEAPER, I THINK, ISN'T IT? >> I THINK THE SEAWALL IS 45. >> THE ANNUAL PATH FOR SEAWALLS 45. >> I THINK THAT'S $54. >> IF YOU BUY THE ULTIMATE PATH, THEN YOU CAN PARK ON THE BEACH? >> YEAH. PACK IT ON THE BEACH. >> PACK IT ON THIRTY. [OVERLAPPING] >> DAN, CORRECT ME, THE SEAWALL IS JUST FOR THE SEAWALL, THE PARKS PASSES FOR THAT. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> I HAVE ONE FOR THE SEAWALL, BUT NOT. THEY CAN BE DIRECTED TO GO WHERE TO BUY THOSE ONLINE? >> POCKET PARK 1, I THINK THEY SELL IT. >> AT THE BEACH. >> YOU CAN'T BUY THEM ONLINE. >> ONLINE, AND I THINK THE PARKS BOARD ALSO SELLS. >> YOU CAN BUY THEM ONLINE? DO WE KNOW WHERE? >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN BUY THEM ONLINE. I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO AND PURCHASE IT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO TURN IN YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND STUFF. >> I THINK THAT STEWART BEACH. >> THERE IS NO PROVISION. >> THE GATE THERE. I THINK THERE. >> OR AT OURS. ALL RIGHT, POCKET PARK. >> CAN WE LOOK IT? >> WE CAN LOOK IT? >> COMMON DAY PRACTICE TO GET IT ONLINE? >> WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR ALL THE I'M SORRY. >> CAN YOU PAY BY PHONE, TOO? >> I THINK YOU CAN. >> I THINK YOU CAN PAY BY PHONE FOR SEAWALL, BUT NOT FOR THE PASS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS FOR CITIZENS. CURRENTLY, HOW MUCH IS THE SEAWALL PASS SINCE I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS? >> IT'S 45. >> FOR SURE IT'S 45? >> YES. >> A YEAR. >> THE ANNUAL PASS FOR THE SEAWALL IS $45. THAT MEANS YOU CAN PARK ON THE SEAWALL AT ANY TIME. IF YOU'RE AT A RESTAURANT AND THEIR PARKING LOT IS FULL, YOU CAN PARK ON THE SEAWALL. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE STILL A NUMBER OF FREE PARKING SPOTS THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND, BOTH ON THE SEAWALL AND IN THE POCKET PARKS, YOU CAN BUY A $50 PASS, WHICH IS CALLED PARK PASS. >> PARK PASS. FOR THE POCKET PARK. >> WHICH WILL ALLOW YOU TO PARK IN ANY POCKET PARK, INCLUDING STEWART BEACH, EAST BEACH, POCKET PARK 1 OR POCKET PARK 3, WHICH HAVE BATHROOMS, THEN WE WILL BE ENHANCING THE AMENITIES. >> BUT LET'S DO THIS. >> POCKET PARK 2, YOU CAN STILL PARK IN FOR FREE. >> THERE'S TWO NICE PARKING LOTS THERE. >> BARBARA, WOULD YOU PUT TOGETHER THIS EMAIL AND SEND THIS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND OUTLINE ALL THE DETAILS AND HOW MUCH YOU BUY THESE PASSES. [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE SECOND, YOU WILL AFTER. BEACH PARKING PASSES. VISIT GALVESTON. THE ULTIMATE PACKAGE IS $95. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> IT INCLUDES AN ENTIRE YEAR OF UNLIMITED SEAWALL PARKING PLUS ENTRY TO THE BEACH PARKS, EAST BEACH, AETVIE PARK, BEACH PARK, STEWART BEACH, PARK, DELAINA, RV PARK, AND WEST END POCKET PARK. TO PURCHASE THE ULTIMATE PASS, VISIT DELAINA RV PARK OR THE PARK BOARD DOWNTOWN OFFICE AT 06:01 TREMONT STREET TO BE ISSUED YOUR WINDOW DECAL. THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S $45. >> THAT'S 50 >> WHAT IT IS IS THEY COMBINED IT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DISCOUNT SEAWALL PARKING, SO THEY'RE JUST SELLING YOU BOTH PASSES. >> SEASONAL BEACH PARKING PASSES, $50. >> BEACH. THAT'S CORRECT. >> BEACH. >> BEACH. >> JUST SEND THIS TO US, BARBARA, IN WRITING. >> I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE STATEMENT FOR MY CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THAT WE WILL BE MONITORING THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T SAFETY ISSUES. >> ULTIMATELY, I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNSEL IN THE PAST, YOU'D LIKE THE ATTORNEYS' PARKS VERY SIMILAR TO WE DO AT POCKET PARK 2. YOU HAVE FACILITY, YOU HAVE SERVICES THERE. YOU LEASE IT OUT TO SOMEBODY, PROVIDE FREE PARKING, THE LEASE PAYS FOR THE R COSTS. ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO GET POCKET PARK 3. WE DO THAT AT POCKET PARK 2 VERY EFFECTIVELY NOW. >> THAT'S THE WAY IT USED TO BE. >> POCKET PARK 3 GOT DESTROYED BY THE HURRICANE AND WAS NEVER REBUILT. THERE'S SUFFICIENT REVENUE FROM THESE REVENUE PARKS TO BUILD A FACILITY THERE, [01:00:05] ULTIMATELY, THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD GET WITH AND MAKE IT FREE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. >> WE STILL HAVE TO MONITOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CAUSING ANY SAFETY ISSUE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UNLESS WE'RE WAY OFF TOPIC >> WELL, WE REALLY AREN'T BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT POCKET PARK 3. >> THANK YOU, BARBARA. >> THAT AFFECTS MY NEIGHBORHOODS. YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, TOO, I MIGHT ADD. >> THAT IS CORRECT. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THEN 11 W. I KNOW AT LEAST DAVID WILL APPRECIATE THIS. >> HOW ARE YOU TODAY? >> HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. >> FROM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES. >> GOOD. >> MY QUESTION IS, ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE A CONTRACT GOING TO CRESCENT ELECTRIC, WHO SEEMS TO GET MOST ALL OF OUR ELECTRIC. >> THEY BID IT ANNUALLY. WE HAVE AN ANNUAL CONTRACT WITH CRESCENT ELECTRIC. ALL THE ELECTRICS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BID ON THAT. >> THEY GET ALL ELECTRIC. WE HAVE MULTIPLE RESOURCES. >> WE HAVE TWO ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS, I BELIEVE, ON BOARD, ONE FOR CERTAIN THINGS AND ONE FOR OTHER CRESCENT HANDLES AND MOST OF THE HEAVY STUFF FOR US. THEY DID THAT EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE TO BID IT OUT. >> THEY BUY SOME MUCH STUFF, THEY GET A REALLY GOOD RATE. >> WELL, I WAS JUST PUTTING THAT IN FOR JOHN LICHSKI. I SAID, ONLY DAVID WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS. >> I GOT A QUESTION ON THAT. THESE PROJECTS ARE A RESULT OF DAMAGE FROM HURRICANE BARRE? >> YES, SIR. >> MAY GET SOME FEMA REIMBURSEMENT. >> THIS ONE IS SLATED FOR REIMBURSEMENT, YEAH. >> WE'LL SEE. >> SUBMITTED IT SO FAR, NOT. >> WE SHALL SEE. >> DID YOU GET REIMBURSED FOR THAT? >> YEAH. THE TEAM DID GET ANY MONEY, SO WE'LL SEE. >> GET ANY MONEY. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? THANK YOU, TYSON. APPRECIATE IT. ANYTHING ELSE, MARIE? >> I DID. I HAD 11D. NOT 11, 10D. SORRY. >> OKAY. >> BACK THE DANCE. >> SORRY. I HAD THIS WHEN YOU WERE OUT HERE, BUT THEN I HAD TO GO BACK AND READ MY NOTES. WE'RE LIKE, AMENDING THE BUDGET BY AMOUNT RELATED TO THE RATE OF BLOCK MAINTENANCE, RECEIVABLE, SPECIAL EVENTS, RECOVERY. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO ME PLEASE? >> SURE. DURING THE COURSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE NORMALLY DO THREE BUDGET AMENDMENTS, ONE AFTER THE FIRST QUARTERLY REPORT, ONE AFTER THE SECOND QUARTERLY REPORT, AND THEN ONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THIS IS THE ONE THAT COMES AFTER THE SECOND QUARTER REPORT, AND WE'VE SAVED SEVERAL FOR YEAR END BECAUSE WE'RE JUST NOT SURE HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO WORK OUT. BUT THESE ITEMS ARE SPECIFICALLY GOING TO HELP US WITH PROJECTS THAT COUNCIL HAS PRIORITIZED, AS WELL AS GETTING READY FOR GETTING GOOD INFORMATION IN WORK DAY. THE LOTS WRITE OFF AS YOU SEE, GOES BACK TO 1996. >> OKAY. >> THE MAJORITY OF THESE LOTS ARE LOTS THAT WENT TO SHERIFF'S SALE, AND THE AMOUNTS WEREN'T WRITTEN OFF OF OUR BOOKS. THERE'S JUST NOT AN ABILITY TO COLLECT ANYMORE. AS WE KNOW, IF YOUR BOOKS HAVE RECEIVABLES, GOING BACK TO 1996, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE TIME TO CORRECT THAT. THIS $461,000 IS INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW ACCOUNTS WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO COLLECT ON, AND WE DON'T WANT TO CARRY THEM FORWARD IN THE WORKDAY TRANSITION. >> OKAY. >> THE SECOND PIECE IS RELATED TO SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS AND PUBLIC SAFETY CAPITAL. SPECIFICALLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT OUR FIREWORKS ARE NOT BEING FUNDED THROUGH HOOT. WE ARE MOVING FUNDS THAT ARE NON HOT TO THE SPECIAL EVENTS FUND AND ALLOWING THE FIREWORKS TO BE FUNDED THERE. THAT WAY, THERE'S NO CONFUSION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE WAY IT'S ALL AGGREGATED TOGETHER, SOMEBODY COULD MISCONSTRUE THE FUNDING SOURCE. >> WHY IS IT ILLEGAL TO USE? >> TML GUIDANCE THAT CAME OUT IS THAT WE CANNOT USE HOT FOR FIREWORKS ANYMORE. >> YOU CAN'T USE FIREWORKS FOR SOMETHING DRAWS PEOPLE IN FOR HEADS AND BEDS. [01:05:04] >> IT MAY NOT BE HEADS AND BEDS. THAT'S THE. >> THAT'S THE RULING. >> YEAH. BUT THAT'S TRUE TML, THAT'S THROUGH? >> TML GUIDANCE ON IT. THEY WOULD BE THE ONE DEFENDING US. >> YEAH. >> THERE'S. >> WISH THERE WAS 351 HAD MORE GUIDANCE ON THAT. >> YES. >> IT DOESN'T. IT IS STATEWIDE, PRETTY MUCH ACCEPTED THAT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO AND SO WE'RE USING OTHER TOURIST REVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE, MARDI GRAS CONTRACTS, THAT THING THAT ARE NOT HOT. WE'RE USING THAT TOWARDS THE FIREWORKS AND SHIFTING. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT ALL CLEARLY IN ONE PLACE. THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS WE ARE WORKING ON A BUILDING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT. IT'S A COVERED BUILDING TO PROTECT THE EQUIPMENT, AND WE ARE AGGREGATING THE FUNDS USED FROM PROPERTY SALES TO FUND THAT PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT IS FOR. >> NOT TALKING ABOUT. >> WE SELL LIKE? >> WE SOLD THERE WERE SOME SIZED PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT WE SOLD. WE HAD A LOT OVER HERE ON 26TH STREET. WE HAD THE OLD EMS STATION, AND Q. >> AS IN THAT TO BUILDING FOR WHAT? >> STORE OUR POLICE BOATS AND EQUIPMENT. >> PUBLIC ALL THAT MONEY SHOULD STAY WITH THE STEPS. >> IT DOES. WE'RE BUILDING IT OVER ON THE CITY LOT. >> ON WHAT? >> CITY LOT, RIGHT BY THE GARAGE, SO THAT WAY. >> RAISED IN IT? >> NO. IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S POL BORN TYPE THING, SO IT'S GOING TO BE VENTED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IF WE ELEVATED, YOU COULDN'T BACK COULDN'T GET THE BIG EQUIPMENT IN THERE, SO. >> IT WILL BE COVERED AND PROTECTED FROM SOME BOATS. >> YEAH. YOU PUT IT IN THE GUIDES. SORRY. >> THE FINAL PIECE OF IT IS LAST FALL, IDC ISSUED DEBT SPECIFICALLY FOR DRAINAGE RELATED PROJECTS, THAT THING. THEY DID NOT BUDGET FOR THE ANNUAL OBLIGATION. IDC HAS APPROVED THAT ALREADY, BUT COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE IT AS WELL, AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE FINAL AMENDMENT IS FOR. >> OKAY. I HAD ASKED FOR YOU TO SEND OVER AMENDED BUDGET AND YOU SENT ME THE AMENDMENTS FOR 25. I THINK, CAN I SEE 23 AND 24 AS WELL? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU. >> THOSE ARE PROBABLY IN THE [INAUDIBLE] REPORTS? >> THEY ARE. THEY SHOULD BE ONLINE, BUT I CAN DO A MINIMUM OF THE LINKS. >> BUT I HATE OUR NEW SYSTEM ONLINE IF I HAVEN'T MENTIONED THAT. >> MOST OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ON THE [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT IF YOU COULD SEND THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND I LOVE YOUR SUIT. >> YES. CLARIFICATIONS. YEAH. ALSO IT SAYS IN THE STAFF REPORT SHORT TERM REGULATION FUND FROM CAPITAL RESERVE PERSONNEL SERVICE. >> OTHER ITEM. I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE COLLECTED THE SHORT TERM REGISTRATION REVENUE THAT WAS DUE THE CITY IN THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND DEDICATED TO THAT. BUT IT'S ALL GONE TO RESERVE. SINCE COUNCIL IS WORKING TOWARDS MORE ENFORCEMENT AND WE'VE EXPANDED WE'RE WORKING TO EXPAND THE SIZE OF THE CITY MARSHALS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE FOR PERSONNEL RELATED COSTS. WE'RE JUST MOVING IT FROM RESERVE TO PERSONNEL SO THAT AS THOSE CITY MARSHALS COME ON BOARD, WE'RE ABLE TO WORK ON THE ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO SHORT TERM. >> WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON RESERVES? WHAT IS THE BALANCE NOW? >> THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY IN THAT FUND, AND IT'S SPECIFIC TO THAT FUND. I WANT TO SAY WE'VE GOT 1.5 MILLION DOLLAR IN THAT FUND, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE, AND IT'S ALL IN RESERVES RIGHT NOW. THERE'S NOT A PURPOSE IT'S ALLOCATED TO. IT'S WAITING FOR COUNCIL TO ALLOCATE IT, BUT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO CITY MARSHAL AND INCREASING ENFORCEMENT. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE FUNDING WAS THERE. >> BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND 1.5 MILLION ON PERSONNEL BECAUSE WE CAN'T EXCEED WHAT WE BECAUSE IT'S RECURRING EXPENSE. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MATCH IT TO RECURRING EXPENSES. >> ANNUALLY, IT'S ABOUT 700,000 THAT IS BEING GENERATED FROM THAT. WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SET AN OPERATING BUDGET HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT THE RESERVES HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER TWO YEARS. >> I GET HOW THE STR MONEY IS GOING TO GO GO BACK INTO THE STR OPERATION. I JUST I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE RESERVE FUND AND ITS STATUS AND WHAT IT'S FOR AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT. >> YEAH. WE JUST HAD IT AS RESERVE SO THAT IT DIDN'T GET SPENT OR ANYTHING ELSE. COUNSEL HAVE TO APPROVE IT. >> THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE 14TH. >> STREET PUMP STATION. I'M JUST WONDERING, WHERE WAS THAT BEFORE WAS THAT BUDGETED BEFORE? WASN'T IT? >>IT WAS BUDGETED OUT OF IDC, BUT THEY DIDN'T BUDGET FOR PAYMENT OF THE OBLIGATION THIS YEAR. ONE OF THE WEIRD THINGS ABOUT THE WAY DEBT IS ISSUED IS YOU CANNOT BUDGET FOR EXPECTED DEBT ISSUANCE THAT YOU HAVE NOT ISSUED YET. WHEN IDC SET THEIR ORIGINAL BUDGET, THEY IN THEORY, KNEW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE ALLOCATING FUNDS TO THIS, BUT LEGALLY, THEY COULD NOT DO IT AHEAD OF THE COMPLETED DEBT ISSUANCE. [01:10:01] WE'RE PAYING THE DEBT OBVIOUSLY AND IT'S COMING OUT OF IDC, BUT THEY NEEDED TO TAKE FORMAL ACTION TO BUDGET. >> YOU SIMPLY COULDN'T BUDGET EARLIER BEFORE BECAUSE IT HADN'T STARTED HAPPENING. >> YOU CAN'T ASSUME. >> YOU CAN'T ASSUME, OKAY. THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. ONE MORE IN THE SPREADSHEET THERE, THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM IN THE THIRD QUARTER AMENDMENT OR THE THIRD NUMBER 3 AMENDMENT THAT TALKED ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH 461,000. >> THAT'S THE LOTS. IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT'S A WRITE OFF, THE CATEGORY FALLS INTO, AND YOU'LL SEE IT ON ATTACHMENT B, IT'S CALLED GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES AND IN THE ROLL UP, GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES GOES INTO THAT CATEGORY. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE SEEING IT THERE. BUT IT'S JUST A GENERAL EXPENDITURE BECAUSE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING IT OUT OF FUND BALANCE AND SAYING, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO COLLECT THESE FUNDS. WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT. >> CURIOUS WHY IT WAS CATEGORY OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> JUST BECAUSE THAT GENERIC GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES ROLLS UP TO THAT CATEGORY, THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY. >> YEAH. QUESTIONS RIGHT. >> THIS HAPPENS WHEN THEY WHEN THEY WHEN WE SIT WHEN FORECLOSED PROPERTIES, WE'RE JUST HOLDING THEM AS TRUSTEE. WE'RE A SMALL COMPONENT OF IT. BUT YET, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THESE LOTS IN A LOT OF CASES BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO LET HIM GO OVER GROWN NEXT TO PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO ALL. WE FILE LIENS AGAINST THEM BUT OUR LIEN IS SECONDARY TO THE PRIMARY LIENS BY THE TAXING ENTITIES. IF IT GETS STRUCK OFF AT MUCH LESS THAN WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS, AND NEVER GET SATISFIED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT BRIAN BECAUSE HE HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO GET SAY ONE OF IT OR TWO OF HIS BAD JOKES THAT HE REFRAINED FROM THAT. >> I HAD DONE THAT. >> COMPLIMENTING YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? >> PASS FOR NOW. >> ALL RIGHT. DAVID. >> NO. >> MINE HAVE ALL BEEN COVERED. >> OH. I'M COMING BACK TO YOU. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >> IT'S COVERED FOR NOW. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAD JUST ONE FIRST OF ALL, TEN A AND TEN B. THIS IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS TO COUNSEL'S ATTENTION. THIS IS COMING OUT OF LEGAL. LEGAL IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET ALL OF OUR OBLIGATIONS CONCERNING THE PELICAN ISLAND UNDER CONTROL. THIS HAS BEEN TAKING A LOT OF TIME OF LEGAL, BUT I WANT TO THANK LEGAL DEPARTMENT FOR THAT. DONNA PASSED THAT ON TO DON. THESE ITEMS ARE CONCERNING THAT ON RIGHT AWAY AND MONEY'S BEING TRANSFERRED FROM THE PORT OF GALVESTON TO US FOR THIS. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. LAST QUESTION I HAD IS 8A. THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE, AND THIS WAS 8A. GOOD MORNING, KATHERINE. THIS WAS DENIED BY PLANNING COMMISSION. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. KAIN WARMAN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MORNING. YES. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ABANDONMENT. IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >> PART OF THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE FIRE MARSHAL HAD CONCERNS OVER THERE. MY QUESTION IS, IT SAID IF WE DO ELECT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS, THEN SO BE IT OF COUNSEL, BUT FROM A FIRE MARSHAL STANDPOINT, HOW DO I DON'T KNOW UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD EVEN ADDRESS THAT WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL? >> YES, AND IT'S HERE. IF HE WANTS TO COME FORWARD AS YOUR QUESTION. >> I MEAN, IS THERE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IT'S CUT AND DRY? I DON'T IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN GET APPROVED. >> GOOD MORNING, CHRIS HERE MOSHALL [INAUDIBLE]. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY ALTERNATIVES AND THOSE ALTERNATIVES ARE BEING PURSUED CURRENTLY. OUR CONCERN WAS THE 31ST STREET RIGHT AWAY AND THE MECHANIC STREET RIGHTWAY THAT GO BEHIND THIS PROPERTY, AS YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE HALF RIGHT FOR ABANDONMENT. CURRENTLY, THERE WAS SOME ABANDONMENT THAT WAS DONE PREMATURELY BY ANOTHER ENTITY. OUR CONCERN WAS THAT IF WE ALLOWED THIS ABANDONMENT, IT WOULD CREATE A DEAD END WHERE IF IF THERE WAS A FIRE TRUCK TO MAKE THAT TURN INTO THERE, WE COULD NOT MAKE THE TURN AROUND AND GET BACK OUT SAFELY. MY UNDERSTANDING AS OF YESTERDAY AFTERNOON IS THAT THE OTHER PUBLIC ENTITY HAS EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERN OR THEIR INTEREST IN ABANDONING THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S A LEGAL PROCESS. BASED ON THAT ABANDONMENT AS WELL, WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THIS ABANDONMENT. IT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE THAT WE RAISED. >> BUT THAT'S PRESUPPOSING THEY'RE GOING TO APPLY FOR ABANDONMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> WE DID GET COMMUNICATION FROM THE PORT THAT THEY ARE ARE PURSUING THAT THEY INTEND TO PURSUE AN ABANDONMENT. >> IF THEY PURSUE THAT AND THAT IS GRANTED, THEN THAT WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE. [01:15:05] >> IT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE DEAD END REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE FIRE CODE. FIRE TRUCKS ARE HARD TO TURN AROUND, AND THEY NEED A LOT OF SPACE. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE THEN THE MOTION AND THIS IS TO ILLEGAL, IF WE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS BASED UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE ABANDONMENT OF THE APPLICATION THAT THE PORT IS FILING, CAN WE DO THAT? >> WELL, I'LL ANSWER THAT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS. AGAIN, DONA FAIRWEATHER SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE ANTHONY BROWN, WHO IS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE AWARDS, WHO'S PRESENT IN THE AUDIENCE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT MARK HILL WAS ALSO PRESENT PREVIOUSLY. I BELIEVE HIS LAW FIRM MAY BE PRESENT. I BELIEVE MR. HILL HAD TO ATTEND TO A HEARING, BUT HE WAS HE'S THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT, WHO HAS REQUESTED THE ABANDONMENT. THIS ABANDONMENT IS REQUESTING THREE AREAS, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL, AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IF THE PORT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS OKAY AND WILL FOLLOW THROUGH WITH REQUESTING THE ABANDONMENT OF THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, IF THE FIRE MARSHAL IS OKAY WITH THE REQUEST IN ITS ENTIRETY. THAT'S THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED FOR THE HEARING. THE SHORT ANSWER IS, CITY COUNCIL CAN EITHER APPROVE THE ORDINANCE. THEY CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORDINANCE. THEY CAN DENY THE ORDINANCE AS WITH ANY ORDINANCE THAT COMES BEFORE THEM. >> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT COUNSEL APPROVES IT SUBJECT TO FINALIZATION OF THE ABANDONMENT WITH THE PORT. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND WE CAN NOT TO SUM UP WAY OBVIOUSLY. >> THAT'S WHAT I JUST DID. >> I KNOW. >> ALL RIGHT. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME AFFIRMATIONS CLEARLY STATED ON THE RECORD. >> WE HAVE IT DOESN'T FOLLOW THROUGH IT DOESN'T GET ABANDONED? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> WE HAD MARIE, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS OR NOT? >> NO. >> OKAY. WE HAD DAVID AND BOB AND SHARON. >> MISS FAIRWEATHER, WOULD ANOTHER POSSIBILITY BE TO DEFER THIS AND BRING BACK BOTH ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE ABANDONMENT OF BOTH PROPERTIES AT THE SAME TIME AND HAVE THE OPINION FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL BE PRESENTED APPROVING ALL THIS ALL AT ONCE? >> THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE MOTION THAT CAN BE MADE. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THE OPTIONS. YES, SIR. >> I WANT A LITTLE CLARITY, BETWEEN 31ST AND 30TH ON MECHANICS. THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ABANDONED A LONG TIME AGO BECAUSE THEY'RE PARKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? >> NO, REALLY. >> I'M ONE MINUTES [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT TO ME AGAIN, WHICH. >> BETWEEN 31ST AND 30TH? >> 31ST AND 30TH, YES. >> MECHANIC IS GONE. IT'S BEING PARKED ON RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? >> IS IT PLACE SOMETIME IN THE PAST. >> THAT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. THIS AND THEN THE PART THAT THE PORT IS GOING TO BE ABANDONED IS THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. 31ST MECHANIC AND THE ALLEY. >> OKAY. >> THOSE ARE THE PARTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> WELL, THE ALLEYS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF, HAD IT? >> NO. >> OH, IT HAS NOT. OKAY. >> THE ALLEY IS OPEN. >> THEN 30TH STREET, IT'S ALSO A DEAD END RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE YOU TURN DOWN 30TH STREET, AND YOU'RE BETWEEN A COUPLE OF PARKING AREAS AND IT'S A DEAD END. >> ONLY A DEAD END IF YOU DON'T GET A GOOD RUNNING START. >> I MEAN, WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM THERE AS WE WILL HAVE OR WE WOULD HAVE ON 31ST STREET. >> I DON'T KNOW IF 30TH IS OPEN. >> 30TH IS NOT OPEN. >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> THAT ENDS INTO PARKING DID END IN THE BACK OF THE PORTS PARKING I MEAN, I'M JUST JUST THROWING THAT OUT AS AN OBSERVATION THAT WE ARE WE ALSO HAVE THAT SAME DEAD END PROBLEM ON 30TH STREET. >> I DON'T KNOW THE LENGTH OF THAT. >> IT WOULD BE FURTHER LENGTH THAN IF YOU WERE TO ABANDON THAT PROPERTY ON 30 FIRST STREET. >> BOTH LINKED IN WITH THE FIRE CODE CALLS OUT OF REVENUE. IN THIS CASE, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO TURN THE CORNER WITH A VERY NARROW ROADWAY ONTO [OVERLAPPING]. >> OKAY. YOU MIGHT JUST LOOK AT THAT. ALL I'M SAYING IS, LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES THERE. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A SOLUTION IN TERMS OF A MOTION. >> WE DO. >> I'M THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CHECK ON. I'M GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE IF THE PORT MOVES FORWARD WITH THE ABANDONMENT ON THAT. TONY, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, TONY TO THE. >> I'M GLAD TO HEAR ALL THIS CONVERSATION THOUGH ABOUT ISSUES OF TURNING FIRE TRUCKS IN SMALL PLACES BECAUSE I'M GOING TO REMIND YOU WITH THIS ISSUE WE'RE CREATING WITH THE FREE PARKING IN THE FREE PARKING AT THE BEACH. GO AHEAD. SORRY. [01:20:05] >> TONY. >> TONY BROWN WITH THE LAW FIRM ACROSS THE RAINBOW BRIDGE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 25TH STREET. AND RIBS AS LEGAL COUNSEL OF REPORTS FOR ME. YES, I CAN CONFIRM WE ARE BUT FOR A VACATION, IT WOULD BE FILED ALREADY. BUT WE ARE FILING THAT APPLICATION FOR THE OTHER HALF AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET IT IN QUICKLY ENOUGH SO THAT THIS CAN BE TAKEN UP BY COUNSEL IN ONE PACKAGE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TONY. APPRECIATE IT. SHARE. GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD REQUIRE A ZONING CHANGE, IS THAT YOU TO PARK ON IT OR NOT? >> IN ORDER TO PARK ON IT, YES. THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO SEEK SOME KIND OF A CHANGE, ZONING CHANGE OR A PLANED UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT? >> SHARON. >> I WAS KIND OF GOING THE DIRECTION BOB WAS. I VISUALLY THOUGHT IT WAS A DEAD END THERE. AND I'M REALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN LIMIT PARKING. CLOSE PARKING ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF BROADWAY. WE DON'T HAVE MANY BUSINESSES LEFT OVER THERE. SO I THOUGHT ALSO TO ON 35TH STREET, THAT THERE WAS A DEAD END. >> A 33 STREET, I CAN'T PICTURE. >> SO I CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. THAT LOOKS LIKE A DEAD END. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. >> SO THAT MEANS. >> THERE'S AN ALLEY IT LOOKS LIKE BEHIND IT. >> ALMOST THERE. SO THAT SEEMS LIKE THE PARKING WOULD BE AROUND THE WHOLE ARENA. >> YES. THAT IS GOING. >> IN THE NARRATIVE, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT HIS INTENDED USE IS CRUCIAL PARKING. IT'S NOT ALLOWED CURRENTLY, SO HE WOULD HAVE TO DO AN APPROVAL AFTER. IF THIS ABANDONMENT IS APPROVED, HE'D HAVE TO DO ANOTHER APPROVAL. >> AND THAT [OVERLAPPING] CHANGE. >> YEAH. >> CHANGING. >> THANK YOU BOB. >> SO KATHERINE, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN ABANDONED, BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO ABANDONED AND DEEDED TO THE PORT OF GALVESTON. SO THAT ISSUE DIDN'T COME UP WHENEVER THE PORT OF GALVESTON DID IT, BUT NOW IT'S COMING UP FOR THIS APPLICANT. >> IS A VERY LONG HISTORY OF. >> I'VE FOLLOWED THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] ON IT. >> SO I'M, IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE OFF THE AGENDA, BUT JUST FOR CLARA, YOU SAY IT WAS AN ISSUE WITH AN INCORRECT FILING OF A DEED. WE WENT THROUGH A WHOLE LONG PROCESS OF CORRECTING THE DEED. THAT WAS DONE BACK IN MAY. SO NOW THE PROPERTIES ARE CORRECTLY DEEDED WITH PROPER OWNERSHIP. THE CITY STILL MAINTAINS OWNERSHIP OF THAT ALLEY. THE PROPERTY OWNERS STILL MAINTAIN OWNERSHIP AND THE RIGHT TO REQUEST ABANDONMENT OF THE CITY ALLEY RIGHT OF WAYS. AND THE PORT AS WELL, CAN REQUEST ABANDONMENT OF THEIR ADJACENT TO THE CITY ALLEY RIGHT AWAY. SO ALL THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED, WAS A LONG PROCESS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO BUT THAT HAS. >> HOW HOW CAN WE MAKE A, HOW CAN WE SCREW UP DEEDING A PROPERTY AND FILING THAT DEED? HOW'S THAT, HOW CAN YOU FILE A DEED INCORRECTLY? >> SO THE DEED THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CITY HAD INCORRECT MEETS AND BOUNDS. THIS AREA CAME OUT OF A LAND SWAP BACK IN 2006. I WANT TO SAY 2013. SO THERE WAS LAND SWAPPING THAT WAS GOING ON. THERE WERE OLD ARBSIDE AREAS THAT WERE SWAPPED FOR AREAS WITHIN THE CITY, MECHANIC PARTS OF MECHANIC 13TH, JUST DIFFERENT AREAS. SOMEHOW, THIS AREA WAS ADDED TO A DEED THAT SAID, HEY, CITY, YOU MISSED FILING THIS AND GIVING IT TO THE COURT. AND SO IT WAS ERRONEOUSLY SENT TO THE DEPARTMENT. IT WAS FILED, AND IT WASN'T CAUGHT UNTIL ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS BROUGHT IT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION. AND THEN MAKING THE CORRECTIONS TO THAT AREA TOOK TOOK A BIT OF TIME. BUT IT HAS BEEN CORRECTED NOW. ALL OF THE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT MECHANIC ALLEY AREA HAD BEEN MADE AWARE AND HOPEFULLY, IF THEY WANT TO REQUEST ANY ABANDONMENTS OR ELSE TO USE, [01:25:01] THEY'RE ABLE TO DO SO AS WELL. >> I GUESS WHERE I, I GUESS WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AND PLAN ON LOOKING INTO IT IS A FACT THAT, THIS PROPERTY HAD BEEN DEEDED TO THE PORT OF GALVESTON, NOT UNDER ANYTHING THAT THEY HAD DONE WRONG, BECAUSE THE CITY OF GALVESTON DEEDED IT TO THE PORT OF GALVESTON. THE PORT OF GALVESTON PUT A FENCE WAS ALREADY UTILIZING THE AREA FOR PARKING, AND THEN THESE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THE ADJACENT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE EAST HAS HAD THE SAME SITUATION SIMILAR. SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IS IT THAT THE PORTA GALVESTON DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME STIPULATIONS THAT THIS APPLICANT HAS WITH THE SAME CONCERNS THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS NOW. HOW DID ALL THIS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS IN THE PAST? I WILL. >> LET'S DONNA ANSWER. GO AHEAD. >> IT'S KIND OF OFF SUBJECT. >> I THINK THE SHORT ANSWER IS, THE DEFENSING THAT IS THERE THAT WAS PUT UP BY THE COURT AND NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. AND AGAIN, THE COURT ATTORNEYS HERE WHO CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT. HE'S BEEN MADE AWARE OF IT. I CANNOT ANSWER THAT ANYMORE. >> I DON'T THINK THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG. THEY HAD A DEED THAT SAID THEY OWNED THIS PROPERTY. IT WAS FILED. LIKE I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE THEY HAD DONE ANYTHING WRONG, BUT. >> LET'S DO THIS ON THIS. THIS IS A VERY LONG TERM COMPLICATED ISSUE. I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT AS MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. YOU'VE CLEANED UP THE DEED SITUATION. WE'VE GOT AN UNDERSTANDING, I THINK OF THE ABANDONMENT, AND I APPRECIATE THE FIRE MARSHAL'S ALTERNATIVE CHOICES HERE. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PORT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FILE FOR ABANDONMENT, WE'LL HAVE A MOTION THIS AFTERNOON. IF WE WANT TO PURSUE THE REASONS WHY THIS OCCURRED AND ALL OF THAT, WE SURE CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA TO COME BACK. >> WHY ARE WE GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA? THIS HAS SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO DO WITH IT. WELL, IT'S HALF OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. IF WE'RE ABANDONING A RIGHT OF WAY, AND WE'RE GOING TO STIPULATED ON THE PORT FILING THEIR HALF OF THE ABANDONMENT, BUT THERE WAS A WHAT I HEARD THE FIRE MARSHAL SAY WAS THERE WAS A PREMATURE ABANDONMENT. I'M NOT SURE HOW PREMATURE ABANDONMENTS HAPPEN. AND COUNSEL WASN'T NOTIFIED ABOUT A MISTAKE WITH ABANDONMENT OF RIGHTS OF WAYS. THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME CONCERN, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SUBJECT PROPERTY. >> WELL, DONNA, I THINK DONNA HAD. >> THIS WASN'T TOLD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION EITHER. >> I THINK DONNA HAS RESPONDED TO THAT. I MEAN, DO YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION FROM DONNA? I THINK SHE RESPONDED ON. >> I APPRECIATE HER RESPONSE. I THINK THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE TO THIS, BUT. >> I CAN SUBMIT A MEMO. >> WHAT, YOU CAN RESEARCH THAT. >> DID THE PORT PAY FOR THOSE RIGHTS OF WAYS? [OVERLAPPING] >> IT WAS A AND SWAP THAT STARTED THIS WHOLE SITUATION. COULD YOU RESEARCH THIS, PLEASE, DONNA, AND SEND TO EACH COUNCIL MEMBER ITEMIZED TIMELINE ON HOW THIS OCCURRED AND WHAT OCCURRED. >> I ABSOLUTELY CAN. >> PERFECT. >> MY SECOND MEMORY RIGHT HERE. >> VERY GOOD. ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THE AGENDA. WE ARE FLYING RIGHT ALONG. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3.B. [3.B Pelican Island Bridge Update (D Buckley/D Glywasky - 10 min)] >> ITEM 3.B PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE UPDATE. >> THANK YOU, STAFF. WELL, WE'RE 50 AND F OF THE ROOM. I HAVE A TENDENCY TO DO THAT, MAYOR. THIS HAS BEEN WE DISCUSSED HAVING US ON OUR AGENDA, EVERY MEETING TO UPDATE WHERE WE ARE, MAN, IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN. >> AND I KNOW YOU'VE GOT ME DOWN FOR 10 MINUTES. HOPEFULLY IT WON'T TAKE THAT LONG. WE'RE MAKING REAL PROGRESS. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON LAST MONTH'S MEETING. WE NOW HAVE FINAL AGREEMENTS FOR THE COURT. [01:30:01] THAT IS ON YOUR AGENDA THIS MONTH, AND IT IS IN THE HANDS OF ROGER RES AT DEPT WAITING FOR HIS EXECUTION. SO THAT'S REPORTER GALTON DATE. TEXAS A&M. THIS AGREEMENT JUST A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX DUE TO THE TRANSFER OF THE RIGHT AWAY AND THE NEED FOR US TO MAINTAIN A ROAD THROUGH THE RIGHT AWAY ONCE WE ABANDON IT. BUT THAT ITEM IS ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY ALSO FOR EXECUTION. SO THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THOSE TWO. GALVESTON COUNTY IS COMPLETE. GALTON NAVIGATION DISTRICT, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE WILL BE A FINAL AGREEMENT. HOWEVER, AT A LATER DATE, WE'LL NEED TO EITHER DO A MODIFICATION OF THE AGREEMENT OR WE'LL HAVE TO ENTER ANOTHER AGREEMENT DEALING WITH THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER THE BRIDGE AND THE 51ST STREET OVERPASS. THOSE ITEMS ARE IN WITH A TITLE COMPANY NOW RESEARCHING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF TITLE THERE IS AND WHO HOLDS TITLE TO THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE THERE IS A QUESTION ON THE 51ST STREET BRIDGE AS WELL AS A PROPERTY UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING BRIDGE. BUT WE DO HAVE IN THEORY AN AGREEMENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING FORWARD QUICKLY. THE LAST IS PORT OF HOUSTON. WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO A FINAL AGREEMENT. CITY ATTORNEYS WORKING WITH THE PORT LEGAL ON IT. THE ONLY HOLD UP AT THIS POINT IS A HOUSTON LEGAL ADDED STIPULATION IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE CAN'T LIVE WITH, AND IT'S SAYING THAT THE TEXTO DOES NOT EXECUTE THE AFA BY DECEMBER 31, THIS YEAR, THAT THE AGREEMENTS NULL AND VOID, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T LIVE WITH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHEN TEXTO IS GOING TO DO IT. BECAUSE TEXTO SAYS THEY WON'T DO IT UNTIL ALL FUNDING IS IN PLACE. SO THAT'LL GET TO MARIE'S ITEM WHICH SHE CAN ADDRESS NEXT IS THE FUNDING. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH ALL THE AGREEMENTS. SO WE'RE DOWN TO A FEW TIDAL TECHNICAL GLITCHES, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM ALL IN PLACE. >> WHERE ARE WE AT HGH. >> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUND AGAIN, BUT WE'RE MOVING CLOSER. BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY TO HANDLE THAT THROUGH. AND OF COURSE, IF YOU EVER TOOK MY CALLS, I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU YESTERDAY, A PRE AFA. AND I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT ON HANDLING THAT. >> I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM FROM TEXTO AT ALL SO I WOULDN'T KNOW I DID ABOUT THAT? >> WELL, THE ONLY REASON I HEARD FROM TEXTO IS I WAS ABLE TO FACILITATE A MEETING YESTERDAY WITH TEXTO THE COAST GUARD, AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERING, BECAUSE ONE OF THE HARDEST PARTS OF ANY PROJECT IS TO GET ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL DONE. SO IN ORDER TO GET THE FUNDING TRANSFERRED FROM ANOTHER PROJECT, WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO PROVE WE'RE FURTHER AHEAD IN OUR PROCESS, THEN ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE MAY BE ASKING TO TRANSFER FUNDING FROM. SO THAT MEETING WENT WELL AND IT LED TO A SECOND MEETING THAT WILL BE SET UP THAT I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT HERE WITH THE CORE COAST GUARD ALL THE ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL. BUT I'M HOPING TO HAVE, I WANTED TO HAVE A WORKING MEETING THIS COMING FRIDAY AFTER THE BOARD, BUT WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR OF THE TPC COMING IN THAT STARTS JUNE 30. SO THE NEXT WORKING METE WILL PROBABLY FOLLOW THE BOARD MEETING, WHICH IS EARLIER IN THE MONTH BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON. >> MARIE, WE JUST A QUESTION. I KNOW THAT THE COMMITTEE AT THE HGAC, TPC LEVEL, I HEARD THAT IT MAY TAKE SIX MONTHS TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEIR DELIBERATIONS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO TPC? >> NO. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HEARD THAT FROM. >> YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT ALREADY. >> I'D LIKE TO SEE US GET EVERYTHING FAST TRACK, BUT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY. WE NEED TO SHOW THAT WE ARE FURTHER AHEAD THAN XYZ PROJECT BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING THEY WILL BE ADDRESSING THE PROJECTS THAT WILL FALL OFF IN 2026. AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE TO IN ESSENCE, TAKE MONEY FROM ANOTHER PROJECT TO FUND OUR PROJECT, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE GOT A 205 MILLION GAP. >> AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE THESE DONE? OR SHOULD PROBABLY BE NEXT MONTH, WILL THE FINAL TWO FOR YOU GUYS. [01:35:02] AND WE JUST NEED TO TIE UP THE FUNDING. >> AND I TALKED WITH TERRY LEO WILSON, SHE HAD ASKED ABOUT THE STATUS. WE'RE CHECKING ALL OF OUR BOXES AND MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE MEETING OUR OBLIGATIONS. >> AND WE'RE 100%. >> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. SO IS T, TEXTO AND HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. >> I YIELD MY TIME BACK TO THE NEXT PERSON ON THE AGENDA, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE GOT TO WORK ON THAT AUCTIONEER. >> LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3C, PLEASE. [3.C Update and Discussion Regarding Negotiations with GISD for the Proposed Conveyance to the City of the Property Commonly Known As Rosenberg School (Legal - 20 min)] >> ITEM 3C. UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING NEGOTIATIONS WITH GISD FOR THE PROPOSED CONVEYANCE TO THE CITY OF THE PROPERTY COMMONLY KNOWN AS ROSENBERG SCHOOL. >> WE HAVE THE HONOR OF HAVING TREVOR FANNING. TREVOR, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SIR? >> TREVOR FANNING I'M, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HERE IN GALVESTON. AS YOU RECALL, WE WE PASSED A RESOLUTION REGARDING THIS PROPERTY, AND THEN IN APRIL, I BELIEVE IT WAS, WE DISCUSSED THE CONDITIONS ON WHICH THIS CONVEYANCE WOULD TAKE PLACE AND I'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH THE ATTORNEY FOR GISD. WE STARTED WITH AN MOU. HE INDICATED THAT HE NEEDED IT TO BE A PURCHASE AGREEMENT, AND THEN SENT ME A DRAFT, AND THEN THAT DRAFT REPORTED THAT WE WERE PURCHASING THE PROPERTY. WE REVIEWED IT AND SAID THAT THAT WAS NOT THE AGREEMENT. THEY WANTED THE MONEY TO COME FROM THIS THIRD PARTY GROUP THROUGH THE CITY AS WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MONEY WOULD GO FROM THIS THIRD PARTY TO GISD. THEY WOULD BRING THE PROPERTY UP TO THE CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE LEVELING OF THE BUILDING AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND THEN CONVEY IT TO US. AFTER THEIR GISD MEETING, WE HAD A MEETING IN WHICH YOU WERE THERE AND MR. NEIGHBORS AND SOME MEMBERS OF GISD, AND WE'VE BELIEVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT. WHEREIN THE MONEY COMES FROM THE THIRD PARTY TO THEM AND THEY CONVEY THE PROPERTY TO US. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ASKED IS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO CONVEY THE PROPERTY TO US, UNLESS THEY'VE RECEIVED ALL OF THEIR MONEY, OBVIOUSLY, WE FOUND THAT AGREEABLE. WE DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE GIVING US PROPERTY UNLESS THEY'VE RECEIVED EVERYTHING. I SENT YOU ALL THAT DRAFT OF THE MOU OR THE INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT. >> CORRECT, GREEN. >> WHAT ARE WE DOING TO BE ASSURED OR HOW ARE WE COVERING THE FACT THAT THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE? >> WELL, IF YOU RECALL, YOU-ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT AT THAT MEETING AND ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT THEY JUST HAD TO DO PHASE 1 AFTER DEMO OF THE ENTIRE SITE, AND IF RECOMMENDED ANY PHASE 2, BUT DURING YOU-ALL DISCUSSION, AND WHAT PUSHED IT OVER THE FINISH LINE WAS THAT YOU-ALL DECIDED THAT COUNSEL WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE PHASE 1, BUT COUNSEL FEELS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE, YOU-ALL COULD REVISIT THAT. THAT WAS THE MAIN THING WE DISCUSSED IN THAT MEETING. >> THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, [OVERLAPPING] CONVEYED TO US. >> THEY ULTIMATELY DECIDED THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO CORE SAMPLES. >> WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CORE SAMPLES. >> THEY'RE USING AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSON, RABBIT KISNER IS THE COMPANY. I GOT THAT FROM OUR OWN PERSONNEL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO CORE SAMPLES. >> THEY'RE PAYING FOR THAT? >> YES. [OVERLAPPING] >> THERE GOING TO DO THE CORE SAMPLES ONCE THE BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE BUILDING. >> OR IF THEY COULD DO IT WHILE THE BUILDINGS UP BECAUSE APPARENTLY WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEY HAD TO DO SOIL SAMPLES WHILE THE BUILDING WAS STILL UP AND THEY THROUGH IT. HERE SINCE THEY'RE DEMOING THE BUILDING, THEY'RE NOT IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE FEASIBLE. I'VE SPOKEN TO RABBIT KISNER. THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED THAT QUESTION YET. THE MAIN ENVIRONMENTAL GUY IS OFF THIS WEEK. HE WAS AT A SCOUT CAMP AS I SPOKE TO HIM SO HE HASN'T GOT ME THE PRICING OR ANY OF THAT STUFF YET. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS MEETING IS COUNSEL HAD A RESOLUTION AND OUTLINED ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SATISFIED FOR THE CONVEYANCE OF THIS PROPERTY. AND TREVOR REPRESENTED THE RESOLUTION FROM COUNSEL AND HELD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS FOLLOWED, AND I THINK THE SOLUTION WORKED THAT OUT. YES, BOB. >> THE PART THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY COUNSEL IS SPECIFICALLY IS THE SOIL BOARD RING NOW. IT SAYS, I THINK IN THE RESOLUTION THAT ALL THE FUNDS HAVE TO BE IN PLACE BY JULY 1ST. [01:40:04] HOWEVER, I'M JUST WONDERING, AND SO FAR, THERE HAS BEEN $2,220,000 RAISED, I THINK, WHICH IS BEYOND THE $2.2 MILLION PURCHASE PRICE, AND MAYBE ENOUGH TO COVER THE CARRYING COSTS AND CLOSING COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT'S UNKNOWN RIGHT NOW IS, I GUESS THE SCOPE OF THE BORING TO BE CLEAR, THE PHASE 1 DIDN'T RECOMMEND ANY FURTHER TESTING, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT SOME SOIL WORK DONE. MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS BORING SCOPE OF WORK TURNS OUT AND ANY SUBSEQUENT REMEDIATION THAT MAY BE NEEDED, TURNS OUT TO BE IN EXCESS OF THE $2.2 MILLION ALREADY RAISED. DOES THAT KILL THE DEAL? MY QUESTION REALLY IS AROUND $2.2 MILLION IS GOING TO SATISFY GISDS INTEREST IN IT, BUT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT ON JULY 2ND, THAT WE LEARNED THAT THE BORING COSTS MORE IN EXCESS OF WHAT'S BEEN RAISED, DOES THAT KILL THE DEAL AND LEAVE GISD HANGING? >> WELL, IT'S THE PURCHASE PRICE PLUS ALL OF THESE COSTS SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT KILLS THE DEAL, NO. WHETHER OR NOT THEY IF THE SAMPLING FOUND SOMETHING AND THE PROPERTY NEEDED TO BE REMEDIATED, THEN THE CITY WOULD BE IN THE POSITION OF SAYING, WE CAN'T ACCEPT THIS UNLESS OR UNTIL IT'S REMEDIATED, THAT MIGHT WELL KILL THE DEAL, BUT THAT LEAVES US THE OPTION. >> WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WOULD, IN FACT, I UNDERSTAND IT ON JULY 7TH, WE'RE GOING TO BE THE TRANSFER OF THE MONEY. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT THE MONEY IS TRANSFERRED TO GISD, AND THEN WE DO THE REMEDIATION AND THE DEMOLITION ON WHATEVER SCHEDULE, THAT THAT HAPPENS TO BE, AND THEN THE CITY GETS THE PROPERTY. ALL I'M TRYING TO GET AROUND TO AND CLARIFY IS THAT, J.P. BRYAN HAS OFFERED TO DO THE DEMOLITION, AND THAT IS GOING TO INCLUDE ASBESTOS ABATEMENT, AND THE TYPICAL THINGS THE DEMO IS REQUIRED TO DO, BUT OF COURSE, HE NEEDS ASSURANCES THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND THEN HAVE THE DEAL KILLED. THE TIMING THE JULY 1ST DEADLINE ON THIS BORING THING IS WHAT I'M, BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER COSTS HAVE BEEN ANTICIPATED, I THINK, BUT THIS ONE IS A NEW ONE, AND IT'S JUST TROUBLING, I GUESS THAT WE PUT A DEADLINE OF A FEW DAYS ON A COST THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS YET. >> MARIE. >> I THINK WE WERE VERY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT ALL REMEDIATION AND THAT IT NEEDED TO BE THOROUGHLY LOOKED AT BEFORE AND AFTER THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED, AND WE WERE NOT COVERING ANY OF THAT. >> WHEN WE MET THE MEETING WITH TREVOR, WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE WERE GOING TO REQUIRE THE PHASE 2, THE CORE SAMPLES TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WOULD PRECLUDE US USING THE PROPERTY FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE AND THAT IS AS A PARK. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, YOU CAN DO THE CORE SAMPLING BEFORE, AS TREVOR INFERRED, YOU CAN DRILL THROUGH THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE RUINING THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE TORN DOWN AND THEY CAN TELL WHETHER THERE'S ANYTHING UNDERNEATH IT NOW, THEY CAN DO THAT IN ADVANCE. THE IDEA WAS, GET IT DONE NOW. YOU KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO COST. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS WELL AWARE THE SUPERINTENDENT WAS IN THIS MEETING, AND HE SAID, YEAH, WE RECOGNIZE THAT. LET'S FIND OUT EARLY. IT'S GOING TO NEED TO GET DONE. ELIZABETH BEATON WAS THERE. SHE ASSERTED THAT J.P. BRYAN WAS NOT GOING TO PAY FOR REMEDIATION. HE'S GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE SCHOOL AND THAT THE FUNDS WOULD BE RAISED IF THERE WAS FURTHER REMEDIATION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT UNDERSTOOD THAT UNTIL IT WAS ALL DONE CLEARED, THE CITY WAS NOT ACCEPT THE PROPERTY. >> I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT. >> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M NOT DISPUTING JULY 1ST DEADLINE. >> YES. >> I'M NOT DISPUTING. [OVERLAPPING] >> ADDITIONS, AND WE COULD REVISIT THAT. >> I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY HAVE ALL THE FUNDING IN PLACE. >> LET SAY, THEY GOT $2,220,000, BUT THAT MAY BE ENOUGH TO COVER IT. I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOIL BORING COST, FIRST OF ALL, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT FINDS SOMETHING, WHAT THE REMEDIATION IS GOING TO COST. >> BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS FROM OUR DISCUSSIONS. IF IT NEEDS REMEDIATION OR WHATEVER, THAT'S NOT THE CITY, WE'RE NOT IN THIS. >> THAT'S NOT IN DISPUTE. THAT'S NOT DISPUTED AT ALL. >> THAT'S UP TO THE ROSENBERG GROUP AND GISD STATE. >> I THINK WHAT BOB SAYING IS, IS THAT DOES THE JULY 1ST DEADLINE MEAN THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE MONEY FOR ANY POTENTIAL REMEDIATION IN PLACE OR NOT? I THINK THAT BOB IS A DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NOT WITH US. >> CORRECT. >> BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY ON JULY 1ST, AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY DO THE REMEDIATION, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THEY'LL HAVE TO WORK OUT WITH PROJECT ROSENBERG OR WHATEVER. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. >> WE STAND READY TO ACCEPT THE PROPERTY WHENEVER IT'S CLEAN AND READY. [01:45:02] >> THAT CLARIFIES THAT I THINK. >> I THINK THAT JULY 1ST WAS THAT THEY HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO ACTUALLY PROCURE. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THE PROPERTY. BEYOND THAT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT UNTIL IT'S CLEAN IF IT TAKE THEM EIGHT MONTHS OR IT TAKES SOME EIGHT DAYS WE DON'T CARE. >> THAT'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IT LOOKS LIKE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS MONEY FOR EVERYTHING, INCLUDING THE BORINGS, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST, INCLUDING IF THE BORINGS FIND SOME HAZARDOUS MATERIAL AND NEEDS REMEDIATING, WHAT THAT'S GOING TO COST AND ALL OF THAT IS DEADLINE IS JULY 1ST. >> THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. >> TO BRYAN'S POINT, I THINK BRYAN NAILED IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. THE GISD INTEREST IS IN GETTING THE MONEY FOR THAT BUILDING SO THEY CAN GO BACK AND USE THAT MONEY FOR THEIR MISSION, AND THEN WE DO THE REMEDIATION AND THE DEMOLITION ON THE SCHEDULE THAT IS AGREED TO BY GISD IN THE CITY. >> WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN IT. >> WE'RE NOT INVOLVED IN IT. >> I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COULD BE TWEAKED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S JUST ABOUT THE CONDITIONS, WHETHER OR NOT ALL THE MONEY PLUS COSTS IS IN PLACE IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN GISD AND THIS. >> THAT'S MY POINT, AND I DON'T THINK THE INTENTION IS NOT TO AVOID DOING ANY OF THIS. THE INTENTION IS TO DO IT ALL BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S POSITION ON THIS. IT'S JUST THE TIMING OF IT AND THE ASSURANCES TO THE DONORS OUT THERE, AND I THINK THE BIG ONE IS J.P. BRYAN'S ASSURANCES THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS. >> I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT IN WHAT WE AGREED TO IN OUR MEETING THE OTHER DAY AND WHAT HOPEFULLY GETS BROUGHT FORWARD. >> WE HAVE AGREED TO ACCEPT THE PROPERTY CLEAN AND READY TO GO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THEY EVER HEAR ALL BEFORE IT EVER PRESENTED TO US. >> MATT AND ELIZABETH, THEY UNDERSTAND THIS. [OVERLAPPING] >> AND TONY BROWN IS HERE ALSO. >> RIGHT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO HEAR FROM HIM. >> HEY, TONY. >> TONY IF YOU CAN COME UP BECAUSE I KNOW I WATCHED THAT BOARD MEETING AND I THOUGHT ALL FUNDS HAD TO BE IN BY JULY 1ST. >> I THINK IT'S THE FIRST MONDAY AFTER JULY 1ST, THEY HAVE TO TRANSFER THE FUNDS FROM BETTER PARKS FOR THE PURCHASE PRICE. >> NOT FOR THE VERMEDIATION. >> THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE OBLIGATED TO REIMBURSE THE DISTRICT FOR THE MONTHLY OPERATING COST SO THAT WE DON'T GROW ANYTHING HAZARDOUS IN THERE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. THEN ALSO THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF DEMOLITION. THEY HAVE A CLEAN PHASE 1, BUT THE MEDIA AT THE MEETING, THE CITY WANTS TO DO THE BORINGS AND SEE WHAT'S DOWN THERE. I GUESS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WELL, I HAVE NO IDEA WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT IF ANYTHING IS FOUND UNDER THERE AT THIS POINT. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT CLOSING ON THE PROPERTY UNTIL IT CONVEYS THE CITY, CORRECT? >> I BEG. >> ARE YOU CLOSING ON THE PROPERTY ONCE YOU RECEIVE THE FUNDS OR ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD THOSE FUNDS AND THEN RECEIVE THE CARRYING COST AND THEN CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY ULTIMATELY WHEN IT CONVEYS TO THE CITY? >> I THINK IF THE DEAL COLLAPSES, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE SPECIFIC AGREEMENT WITH BETTER PARKS, BUT I THINK THAT THE DISTRICT GETS BACK CARRYING COSTS TO THAT POINT WITH THE BALANCE GOING BACK BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DONORS. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT ACTUAL TITLE PASS OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO OCCUR UNTIL THE DONATION TO THE CITY, CORRECT? >> WELL, IT'S A CONVEYANCE. WE CAN'T CONVEY IT UNTIL WE CONVEY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S MY POINT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> I THINK THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE MEETING, ELIZABETH AND MATT NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE ALL IN UNDERSTANDING THIS. THEY'LL BE DOING THE BORINGS THERE AND IT ENDS UP HAS A BEARING ON J.P. BRYAN'S INVOLVEMENT TOO. IF THEY DO BORINGS THERE AND THERE IS A LOT OF CONTAMINATION AND IS GOING TO TAKE A HIGH COST TO DO THE REMEDIATION. THAT HAS A BEARING ON, I THINK HIM WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING. >> THAT WAS THE IDEA OF DOING IT EARLY. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU DO BORING. IF SOMETHING COMES BACK IRREGULAR, THERE'S ADDITIONAL BORINGS THAT ARE DONE TO DETERMINE THE EXTENT OF IT, AND THEN YOU DETERMINE REMEDIATION. YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST GOT LUCKY HIT THE ONE BAD SPOT OR IT MAY BE A BIGGER PROBLEM, AND THAT'S HOW YOU DETERMINE IT. >> SPEAKING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL GUY, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S NOT MY AREA, BUT THAT'S WHY THE LANGUAGE SAYS FOR ITS INTENDED USES A PARK. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TO BORE AS DEEP AS DEPENDING ON THE INTENDED USE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A LARGE BUILDING, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S WAY DOWN IN THE SOIL. >> IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN A PARK SINCE THE FOUNDING OF THE CITY IN 1839. THE ONLY OTHER THING HAS BEEN IS THAT SCHOOL. THERE'S THE LIKELIHOOD OF AND THAT I THINK THE PHASE 1 DIDN'T REALLY TURN ANYTHING UP THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMETHING DOWN THERE. >> I THINK ANY ISSUE WOULD COME UP AS A RESULT OF FUEL OILS OR ANYTHING THAT WERE USED WHEN THE SCHOOL WAS THERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IF WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE GROUND, YOU CITY MIGHT WANT TO TEST ADD PARK. I DON'T KNOW. >> WELL, THE DEED FROM THE CITY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS DATED DECEMBER OF 1864. [01:50:07] IT RECITES THAT THE CITY RECEIVED ITS DEED TO THE PROPERTY FROM THE GALVESTON CITY COMPANY IN 1846. THAT'S YOUR CHAIN OF OWNERSHIP RIGHT THERE, LEAVING OUT THE REPUBLIC OF MEXICO. [LAUGHTER] >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE ASSURANCES TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONATED ALL THIS MONEY, AND INCLUDING J.P. BRYAN, WHO'S GOING TO REALLY COME THROUGH WITH A BIG PART OF THAT, THAT THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH ALL THIS AND THERE'S NOTHING REALLY AT THIS POINT, IT'S GOING TO SHOOT THE DEAL DOWN. >> I HOPE EVERYONE WILL ASSURE IN ADDITION TO THE DONORS, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE FRIENDS AND FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE CHILDREN UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYBODY'S WORKING TO GET THIS DEAL DONE FOR THAT PURPOSE. >> ONE OF THE MAIN ADVANTAGES OF DOING IT THIS WAY, WE DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH BETTER PARKS. OUR AGREEMENT IS JUST WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND SO AS FAR AS THAT DEADLINE IS CONCERNED, I WOULD THINK THE CITY WOULD THINK AS LONG AS WHAT THEY'VE RAISED SO FAR MATCHES. >> THIS IS A STRAIGHT UP CONVEYANCE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO THE CITY EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERIPHERAL TO US. >> AND THAT TOTALLY CLEAN PROGRESS. [OVERLAPPING] >> ONCE WE HAVE EVIDENCE TO DEMONSTRATE SO IT CAN'T BE CHALLENGED IN THE FUTURE. I WOULDN'T IMAGINE IT WOULD BE CHALLENGED, BUT THIS IS GALVESTON. THE FACT IS UNDER THE STATE LAW TO AVOID THE REVERTER THAT YOU GUYS DON'T WANT, IT HAS TO BE A TRANSFER OF CONSIDERATION AT OR ABOVE MARKET VALUE AS DETERMINED IN THE DISTRICT'S APPRAISAL. WE HAVE TO RECITE THAT SOMEWHERE BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF IT DOESN'T SAY THAT, IT'S IT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS ZONATION, AND THERE'S NO REVERTER SO THAT'S THE LEGAL ISSUE. >> WHY WE HAVE LAWYERS. >> THIS IS A COMPLICATED TYPE OF DEAL. >> YES, IT IS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S REALLY HARD WORK ON THIS. >> TREVOR, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON THIS. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU DON'T THINK THAT THE SCHOOL HAD A SHOP CLASS OR MECHANIC CLASS IN BUILDING CARS. >> LEAD PAINT. LOTS AND LOTS OF LEAD PAINT. >> LEAD PAINT IS DELICIOUS. STORED NUCLEAR MATERIAL BELOW THE SCHOOL. >> THANK YOU, TREVOR VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, TONY. APPRECIATE IT. COUNSEL, [OVERLAPPING] LET'S TAKE A BREAK AFTER THAT. >> OH, MY GOD. >> I KNOW, I'M SLOW TO LEARN, BUT I'M GETTING THERE. COULD YOU READ 3D, PLEASE, MA'AM. [3.D Presentation And Discussion of Long Range Financial Forecast (C. Ludanyi - 10 min)] >> ITEM 3D. PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE LONG RANGE FINANCIAL FORECAST. >> HELLO. >> HELLO. [BACKGROUND] >> IT'S NOT THAT LONG. >> OH, IS THAT A LINEN BLEND? >> YEAH, I THINK SO. >> YEAH. IT'S NICE. >> OUR SUMMARY. >> LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING I'M JUST A LOWLY CITY FINANCE DIRECTOR. THE ECONOMIC GURUS OF THE UNITED STATES DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS SO TAKE EVERYTHING IN THIS FORECAST WITH A GRAIN OF SALT KNOWING THAT THERE IS UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKET AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS IMPACT WHAT HAPPENS HERE WITH THE CITY OF GALVESTON. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR CRYSTAL BALL. >> I ALSO WISH I HAD A MONEY TREE BECAUSE I COULD SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH IT. LET'S START WITH THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE FORECAST FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO NOTE HERE THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'LL SEE THAT REGARDING PROPERTY TAX, WE ARE PROJECTING THAT REVENUE IN THE PROPERTY TAX ROW FOR 26 TO BE FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR, ASSUMING A NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE. BECAUSE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE IS GOING TO GET YOU APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE YOU HAD THE PREVIOUS YEAR. THERE IS SOME NEW PROPERTY, NEW VALUE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD INCREASE THAT A LITTLE BIT. IN THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW WOULD GIVE US MAYBE $700,000 WORTH OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE BUT RIGHT NOW, I'M JUST NOT FEELING SUPER CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT AND SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS FORECAST, LET'S ASSUME WE GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX REVENUE WE GOT LAST YEAR. [01:55:01] >> I CAN TELL YOU JUST ANECDOTALLY, I WAS UP AT THE DECANT ON MONDAY, AND THEY WERE LINED UP IN THE HALLWAYS WAITING TO PROTEST. I SUSPECT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROUGH ONE THIS YEAR. >> ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE THE HOUSING MARKET HAS SLOWED. EVERYONE FEELS THAT THE VALUES THAT WERE SIGNED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS AT THE HIGHS ARE TOO HIGH NOW BECAUSE I CAN'T SELL FOR THAT AMOUNT RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID. >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID TOO. I'M IN A BIG CITY THOUGH. >> THEY RESPONDED IN OUR PROTEST, RESPONDED VERY POSITIVELY TO THAT. >> YES. I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY HEARING THE SAME THING FROM EVERYONE THAT THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME CAN'T SELL FOR THAT PRICE. AND SO I AM HESITATING TO THINK THAT THE NO NEW REVENUE IS GOING TO GIVE US A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WHAT IT GOT US LAST YEAR. >> BUT NEW PROPERTY? >> SHE ESTIMATES THAT IT COULD BE AS MUCH AS $700,000 NET TO THE GENERAL FUND, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET UNTIL THE ROLL GETS CERTIFIED. >> I'M GUESSING WE'LL LOSE AT LEAST 10% OF WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING RIGHT NOW ON THE ON THE NEW VALUES. >> BECAUSE EVEN THE NEW VALUES CAN BE PROTESTED. >> IF I WAS IN AUSTIN THIS YEAR AND DIDN'T FILE MY PROPERTY TAX, FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, IT KILLS ME. >> SALES TAX, WE ARE PROJECTING ABOUT 1% GROWTH. YOU SEE THE GROWTH ASSUMPTIONS BELOW ON THIS GRAPH. WE HAVE NO INDICATION THAT SALES TAX WOULD GROW AT A HIGHER PACE THAN THAT, BUT WE DO EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME GROWTH. THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE PROBABLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT, AND THERE'S MORE DETAILED SLIDES THAT YOU'LL BE INTERESTED IN. INVESTMENT EARNINGS, WE ARE PROJECTING, THEY WILL DECREASE A LITTLE BIT. WE BELIEVE THAT OVERNIGHT INTEREST RATES WILL PROBABLY GO DOWN AT LEAST TWICE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR BASED ON WHAT THE FED IS INDICATING SO WE BELIEVE THERE WILL BE SLIGHTLY LOWER INTEREST REVENUE NEXT YEAR. >> WE THINK THAT'S WHAT WILL ALSO MAYBE POSSIBLY DRIVE UP THE PROPERTY TAX IN FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE THAT WILL STIMULATE MORE GROWTH IN THE HOUSING MARKET, MORE SALES, INCREASED VALUES. >> SILLA, WHAT'S IN YOUR OTHER REVENUES? >> THE OTHER REVENUE INCLUDES BOTH THE LONG TERM PARKING FEES AND THE POOR PASSENGER FEES, AND WE HAVE A SLIDE SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, IF THAT IS WHERE YOUR QUESTION IS SURE. THE ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS THAT IN 2025, YOU ARE SEEING 5.7 MILLION IN OTHER REVENUE, AND THAT IS BEING SMOOTHED FOR TREND PURPOSES, BECAUSE IN REALITY, IT'S SLIGHTLY HIGHER BECAUSE WE SOLD LAND AT THE AIRPORT THAT WAS GENERAL FUND REVENUE, SOME OF IT WAS 1.6 OF IT. THIS PROJECTION FOR OTHER REVENUE IN FY 25 SMOOTHS FOR THAT BECAUSE IN THE YEAR TO YEAR COMPARISON, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SELL THAT 1.6 OVER ONE BILLION EVERY YEAR. WE CAN TRY. AS YOU CAN SEE, PROPERTY TAXES MAKE UP ABOUT 47% OF OUR REVENUE IN THE WAY WE'RE PROJECTING FISCAL YEAR 26. SALES TAX BRINGS US ABOUT 29%. THE OTHER REVENUE IS 7%, FRANCHISE TAXES SIX, AND THOSE ARE OUR PRIMARY LARGE REVENUE SOURCES. NOTE THAT WE ARE PROJECTING SMALL INCREASE IN TOTAL REVENUE OVER THIS PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, BUT IT'S NOT ENORMOUS, A $1 MILLION A YEAR IS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT. >> CAN I ASK A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THEM. THE MIXED AVERAGE, WHICH SEEMS REALLY FLAT AND YET, WE KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT INCLUDE RESTAURANTS AND SO FORTH AND LET'S JUST SAY IN MARGARITAVILLE SEEMS LIKE THAT SHOULD BE INCREASING. >> UNLESS THE COST OF THE BEVERAGES ARE INCREASING, WHICH I KNOW IN SOME CASES THEY ARE, I WOULD SAY THAT UNLESS THE NUMBER OF SELLERS INCREASE, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT OVER TIME. THERE'S SOME INCREASE, AND IT'S BASICALLY BASED ON THE INFLATIONARY COST OF THE ALCOHOL AND THE SALES TAX THAT'S APPLIED. >> WE HAVE SOME MILD GROWTH BUILT IN THERE, BUT THAT'S NEVER BEEN A GAME CHANGING NUMBER FOR US REGARDLESS. >> DON'T PROJECT IT GOING DOWN. >> SOMEHOW DOUBLE. I'M DOING MY PART IN PART 29. >> WHAT YOU'LL SEE SALES TAX ALSO, WE'RE HOPING THAT AFTER THIS PERIOD OF TIME, THERE WILL BE SOME GROWTH. WE GO THROUGH UPS AND FLOWS, AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN A FLAT GROWTH PERIOD ON SALES TAX, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IN THE OUT YEARS, MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME INCREASE. >> AS THE RATES DROP MONEY GETS RELEASED INTO THE MARKET, DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, ETC. >> DEVELOPMENT IS STILL HAPPENING NOW. [02:00:01] >> REGARDING PROPERTY TAX, WE KNOW IT'S CONTROLLED BY THE TRUTH AND TAXATION PROCESS THAT IS ESTABLISHED BY STATE LAW. THERE ARE THREE STEPS; THERE'S A CALCULATION OF THE TAXABLE VALUE, WHICH IS WHAT THE COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT DOES, AND THAT'S THE POINT IN THE PROCESS WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THERE IS THE CALCULATION OF THE TAX RATE, WHICH WE ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO CALCULATE THE NO NEW REVENUE AND THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE AS THE GUARD RAILS FOR WHERE WE CAN SET THAT TAX RATE. THEN THERE'S THE COLLECTION THAT RESULTS FROM THE REVENUE, AND THAT IS DONE BY THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR. >> WHEN THAT NET TAX LETTERS TO THE RED THINGS [INAUDIBLE]. >> IN THE CORNERS, YOU MEAN? BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THE APPRAISALS WORK, WE GET SUPPLEMENTS ON A MONTHLY BASIS OR EVERY SIX WEEKS BASIS SO THE FY 25 NUMBER YOU SEE THERE IS NOT THE NUMBER WE HAD LAST JULY, IT IS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE 11TH SUPPLEMENT. IN OUR SPREADSHEET, WE'RE NOTING WHAT SUPPLEMENT THOSE NUMBERS TIE TO SO THAT WE CAN ALWAYS TIE OUR NUMBERS BACK. THAT'S ALL YOU'RE SEEING THERE. SPECIFIC TO THE 12 BILLION 627 MILLION THAT'S LISTED RIGHT THERE IN THE FISCAL YEAR 26 COLUMN, THAT'S BASED ON THE END OF APRIL ESTIMATE. >> THANK YOU. >> JUST AS A QUESTION, DOES THIS FACTOR IN THE PROPERTY TAX BILL THAT WAS SIGNED? >> MOST OF THE PROPERTY TAX BILL IS RELATED TO EXEMPTIONS RELATED TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, SO THEY DO NOT APPLY TO THE CITY SPECIFICALLY. IN GENERAL, SCHOOLS BENEFIT A SMALLER PART OF THE POPULATION OR SOMEBODY WOULD ARGUE THAT AND SO THEY TEND TO DO THOSE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, AND THEN THOSE OVER 65 AND DISABLED EXEMPTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT WENT UP TO, LIKE, 120, 140 IN THAT RANGE IN RELATION TO POPULATIONS THAT ARE RECEIVING THAT DIRECT BENEFIT MAY BE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THE CITY SERVES EVERYONE. THE EXEMPTION ORDINANCE IS ON THIS AGENDA. WE ARE PROPOSING TO HOLD IT STEADY AS IT WAS LAST YEAR, BUT THE STATE LAW CHANGES DON'T IMPACT WHAT WE'RE DOING NECESSARILY. >> THEN I THINK IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT VAGUELY, BUT DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH IN PROPERTY TAX THAT WE'RE LOSING BASED ON LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR THE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF? >> OR THE LANDMARK STRUCTURES? >> YES. >> WE HAVE UP TO 15,000 SO WE HAVE TO DO THE MATH. >> IS THERE A WAY TO CALCULATE? >> I HAVEN'T DONE THAT, BUT I CAN. >> I WANT YOU TO GET SOME SLEEP, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT JUST KIND OF THE NUMBER THAT REALIZE VERSUS WHAT IS. >> THE LITTLE MINI TURZ IS AND A LOT OF THE FIRST ONES WE DID ARE PROBABLY ALREADY MATURED, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE. >> HOW MANY YEARS IS IT? >> DID THEY GET THE BENEFIT VALUE? >> FIVE YEARS A THOUGHT. >> IS IT TEN? >> DEPENDING UPON THE TYPE OF THE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT, IT CAN NOT BE FIVE OR TEN YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TAX RATE IS STUCK AT WHAT IT IS AT THE TIME. THEN AFTER THE FIVE OR THE TEN YEAR PERIOD, THEN IT GOES TO THE IMPROVEMENT VALUE AT THE FIVE OR TEN YEAR. >> PROPERTY VALUE NO TAX RATE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. ASSUMING THERE AND I'M SURE THEY'RE PROTESTING IT ALONG THE WAYS IS EASIER. >> IN YOUR PROJECTIONS ON TAXABLE VALUE,W YOU SEE THERE IS SOME GROWTH OVER THE COMING YEARS. THE $12.627 BILLION IS ONLY SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR'S VALUE AT THE SUPPLEMENT 11. YOU'RE SEEING THAT THE CAT ISN'T PROJECTING A WHOLE LOT OF GROWTH IN VALUE YEAR OVER YEAR. THE FREEZE VALUE APPEARS TO BE GOING DOWN A LITTLE, WHICH I WAS SURPRISED ABOUT, BUT THAT ALSO MAY BE ADJUSTED YET AS WE GET CLOSER TO JULY. THE TAX RATE WE HAVE PLUGGED IN THERE RIGHT NOW IS SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN IT WAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 BASED ON THAT INCREASE IN VALUE. THE NO NEW REVENUE IS DEPRESSED WHEN THE VALUE GOES UP. AND SO YOU SEE A VERY SLIGHT CHANGE THERE BRINGING YOU APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU HAD LAST YEAR. ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS ESTIMATES AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. THE LEVY WE'RE PROJECTING AFTER THE FREEZE ADJUSTMENT IS ABOUT 50,117,000 IN PROPERTY TAXES, AND THAT'S TO ALL THE PURPOSES, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, DEBT SERVICE, AND ROSENBERG LIBRARY. [02:05:01] THE FREEZE IS ONCE AGAIN RIGHT IN THE SAME RANGE, 0.3% OF THE TOTAL VALUE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. YOU'LL SEE THAT PROJECTED TAX RATES THERE. THIS SLIDE BECOMES IMPORTANT AS WE GO ON IN THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE ACTUALLY IF YOU WANT TO COMBINE AGENDA ITEMS AGAIN, MAYOR, WE'RE TALKING SOME BOND STUFF AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE IN THE FORM. >> IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD TIME TO COMBINE THOSE TWO ITEMS. >> IN THE TAX RATES THAT WE HAVE PROJECTED, YOU'LL SEE THE GENERAL FUND OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ON TOP. THEN THE SECOND LINE, THE DEBT SERVICE INTEREST AND SINKING FUND IS OUR DEBT SERVICE OBLIGATION. WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS THE PINK BOX THAT YOU SEE IS JUST A PROJECTION OF WHAT WE THINK IT COULD BE THIS YEAR BASED ON OUR EXISTING DEBT. BUT STARTING FISCAL YEAR 27, ASSUMING THAT THERE IS A BOND ELECTION THAT IS SUCCESSFUL IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE PROJECTING OUT WHAT THAT OBLIGATION WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY. RIGHT NOW THE LARGE NUMBER THAT WE'RE TOSSING OUT THERE JUST SO WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A BETTER RESULT IS IF WE PUT A $60 MILLION BOND OUT THERE AND THE ITEMS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW ARE THE FIRE STATION AND STREETS, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO ITEMS, AND THEN DID IT IN TWO TRANCHES, THAT'S HOW GALVESTON DID IT BACK IN 2017 AND 2019, THEY HAD ONE ELECTION, AND THEY ISSUED THE FIRST TRANCHE IN 2017. THEN TWO YEARS LATER THEY CAME BACK AND ISSUED MORE MONEY BASED ON THAT SAME ELECTED. >> IT MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY IN A DECLINING INTEREST RATE MARKET TO DO IT THAT WAY. >> BECAUSE YOU CANNOT USE ALL OF THAT. >> BE BACK ON RUNNING THAT BOND TILL '27, RIGHT? >> NO, YOU WOULD APPROVE THE BOND. >> YES. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE'D HAVE THE BOND ELECTION AND WE WOULDN'T ISSUE UNTIL WE WERE READY TO DO CONTRACTS. WE WOULD WAIT TO DO THAT DEBT ISSUANCE, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROJECTING THAT THE OBLIGATIONS WOULDN'T COME DUE UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 27. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS 1.5 PENNY INCREASE DUE TO THE COST OF THAT OBLIGATION. NOW, THE CITY HAS SEVERAL WAYS OF FUNDING THAT. YOU CAN ADD IT TO YOUR DEBT SERVICE RATE, AND IF IT JUST BECOMES A PART OF YOUR DEBT SERVICE RATE AT THE NO NEW REVENUE, IT WILL DEPRESS YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE BECAUSE NO NEW REVENUE HOLDS IT ALL AS ONE. THE OTHER OPTION IS WE CAN BUY SOME OF IT DOWN WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND MONEY. THAT IS WHAT GALVESTON HAS DONE HISTORICALLY IN THE PAST, IS THEY'VE SAID, WE DON'T WANT OUR DEBT SERVICE RATE TO BE HIGHER THAN FIVE AND A QUARTER AND SO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BUY DOWN WITH A TRANSFER FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND. THAT MEANS THAT PORTION IS COMING OUT OF YOUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE, SO IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE TAX RATE, BUT IT'S REFLECTED IN WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO SPEND OUT OF THAT 8% IN THE IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND. YOU WON'T HAVE IT FOR PROJECTS. THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT COUNSEL WILL NEED TO HAVE ON HOW THEY WANT TO FUND IT. BUT THAT'S HOW THE TAX RATE WOULD CHANGE, AND THAT'S THE APPROXIMATE COST OF FUNDING THOSE. >> BUT WE WOULD BE BINDING FOR AN OVERLAY OF EVERY STREET, WHICH WOULD ALSO RELIEVE? >> ABSOLUTELY. SOME OF THE STREETS COSTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND. >> WE MAY EVEN TAKE MULTIPLE CONTRACTORS, SO THERE'S MUCH MORE BEING DONE SO THAT LESSENS YOUR OWN OUT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT SINCE NOT A LOT IS BEING DONE NOW. >> MOVING ON TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION ABOUT OTHER REVENUE. YOUR LONG TERM PARKING REVENUE AND CRUISE PASSENGER FEES ARE OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR NON PROPERTY TAX REVENUE THAT WE ARE INCLUDING IN THE GENERAL FUND. THE FIRST YEAR OF PARTIAL COLLECTIONS WAS FISCAL YEAR '23. LAST YEAR, FISCAL YEAR '24 WAS THE FIRST COMPLETE YEAR OF COLLECTIONS. AS WE KNOW, THIS REVENUE STREAM IS SENSITIVE TO DISRUPTIONS IN THE TOURISM SECTOR. BUT WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, IS THAT THERE'S THIS RAMP UP, AND THEN IT'S GOING TO PLATEAU ONCE WE'VE REACHED OUR CAPACITY FOR THE NUMBER OF CRUISE SHIPS OR ONCE THE NEW TERMINAL IS BUILT OUT, AND THAT HAS ALSO RECEIVED. WE'RE STILL SEEING A RAMP UP IN '26 AND '27. HOPEFULLY BY '28, WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THAT ONGOING ANNUAL REVENUE IS. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE GRADE OUT BOXES OF HISTORICAL, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME IDEA. FROM '23-'24, WHEN WE WENT FROM A PARTIAL YEAR TO A FULL YEAR, THERE WAS THAT INCREASE OF 68% ON LONG TERM PARKING AND 73% ON CRUISE PASSENGER. THEN WITH THE FURTHER INCREASE IN '25, ON THE LONG TERM PARKING, WE'RE ONLY SEEING ABOUT A 4% INCREASE THIS YEAR, AND THEN WE'RE SEEING A LARGER INCREASE WITH THE PASSENGER FEES. NOW, AS THE NEW TERMINAL OPENS, WE EXPECT TO SEE FURTHER INCREASES IN THE COMING YEARS. >> JUST ON THE CRUISE PASSENGER CHARGES, [02:10:03] I CAN SEE WHERE IT LEVELS OFF IN '28, OF COURSE, AND THEN YOU HAVE A SLIGHT INCREASE OF 1%. IN THOSE CONTRACTS WITH THE CRUISE LINES, THERE IS AN INFLATIONARY RATE THAT IS THOSE IT RISES. I THINK IT'S MORE THAN 1%. >> YES, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF IT GOES TO THE PORT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ACCOMMODATION FOR HOURS TO INCREASE AT THE SAME RATE. >> THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, OUR PARKING RATE, WHAT WE GET GOES UP IN THE SAME INFLATIONARY INCREASE AS THE TARIFFS GO UP, YES. WE MIGHT CONFIRM THAT. >> I'M INVESTIGATING THAT MEASURE. >> BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP THAT 1% INCREASE. >> BUT SO FOR FISCAL YEAR '26, WE ARE PROJECTING THAT THERE WILL BE ABOUT $3.3 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND FROM THESE TWO REVENUE SOURCES. >> AND IT'S ALONG THAT SAME LINE, BUT WE HAD AGREED, IT WAS AN ANNIVERSARY MEETING OF THE TRW. AND IT WAS A GREAT TALKING PANEL BY THE PORT AND MYSELF, AND GINA WAS THE MODERATOR. WHEN YOU EXPLAIN TO OUR CITIZENS WHY WE DO THE PARKING CHARGE AND WHATNOT IN LIEU OF THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE DON'T RECEIVE, EVERYONE GETS IT. >> JUST THE WEAR AND TEAR ON YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. >> YEAH, AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT, AND THAT IS MY GOAL SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD GET AWAY FROM SAY MONEY GRAB. >> WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE ON THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT. ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, AND THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO BRING SOME THINGS TO YOUR ATTENTION. WE ARE THE FY '26 BASE BUDGET IS WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY DEPARTMENTS AS OF RIGHT NOW. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT HAD OUR MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL YET, SO WE ARE STILL WAITING TO COLLECT THOSE PRIORITIES FROM CITY COUNCIL, AND WE ARE STILL IN THE REFINING PROCESS. THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE CUT BECAUSE, IF YOU RECALL, BACK ON THE REVENUE SLIDE, WE ONLY HAVE 81,232,000 PROJECTED IN REVENUE, THAT 84 MILLION IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THAT. THERE IS A GAP WITH WHAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED AND WHAT WE ARE PROJECTING FOR REVENUE AS IT STANDS TODAY. >> SORRY. I GOT ONE QUESTION. >> SURE. >> IT'S ON THE LEFT SIDE, BUT YOU GO NEED TO GO BACK TO IT. MAYOR, THAT 1 MILLION NUMBER, THAT'S THE REVENUE, THAT'S AT $0.50 FOR EMBARKATION AND DISEMBARKATION. YOU GET $0.25 AND $0.25? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. YOU GET $0.50 TOTAL? >> ASSUMING THEY GET OFF, YEAH. >> THAT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. >> SOME PEOPLE GET TAKEN OFF, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY STILL GET THAT. >> I DON'T THINK THEY STILL GOT [INAUDIBLE] >> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT NOTICE IS IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE'S AN INCREASE YEAR-OVER-YEAR FOR '25-'26. THIS IS DUE TO SOME OF THE DUTIES THAT HAVE BEEN SHIFTED IN THE CITY MARSHALS OFFICE MOVING AND DISPATCH MOVING OUT OF POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ANIMAL CONTROL, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SHIFTING OF ITEMS FROM '25-'26, WHERE THEY'RE NOT COMING UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE SAME WAY AND IT'S COMING UNDER GENERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT AS WE PRESENT THE BUDGET IN THE COMING MEETING, YOU WILL SEE WAY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS. BUT IN CASE ANYONE HAD A QUESTION ON THAT POINT SPECIFICALLY. YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A SLIGHT DECREASE IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE, AND THAT IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL PROJECTING THAT TAX RATE, AND WE WON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT UNTIL WE HAVE MORE TAX RATE INFORMATION. AS ALWAYS, THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT IS A REALLY GOOD REMINDER OF PUBLIC SAFETY TAKES UP 60% OF OUR BUDGET. INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE IS THE NEXT HIGHEST AT 7.7%. PUBLIC WORKS AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT ARE SLIGHTLY BEHIND THERE, AND THEN FROM THERE WE SEE THE SMALLER AREAS OF EXPENSE TO THE CITY. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE INCREASE YEAR-OVER-YEAR IS SIGNIFICANT. AS WE CONTEMPLATE OUR REVENUE SOURCES AND THE ABILITY TO FUND, WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE WHAT OUR FUTURE COSTS ARE, [02:15:01] IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A GAP IN TODAY'S '26 BUDGET REQUESTS, BUT THAT'S THAT 2030 NUMBER OF $96 MILLION IS A LITTLE BIT OF HARD STOPPING FOR ME. >> WE HAVE THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR. >> YES. >> ON THE PUBLIC WORKS NUMBER THAT STAYS CONSISTENTLY AT THAT RATE, THAT IS OR ISN'T FACTORING IN THE BOND BEING DONE FOR THE MILL AND OVERLAY ON THE STREETS. >> WOULD THAT BE UNDER INFRASTRUCTURE? >> NO, IT WOULD COME OUT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND DEBT FUND. YOU'LL SEE IT DECREASES THAT 200,000 IN FISCAL YEAR '27 AND '28. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE USING A SLIGHT OFFSET RIGHT NOW, AND I'LL SHOW IT TO YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE. RIGHT NOW, THE AMOUNT WE'RE MOVING OVER FROM INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT IS NOT LARGE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CHOOSE TO MASSAGE, AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT IN JUST A SECOND. >> QUESTION, WE HAVE A HIRING FREEZE GOING ON NOW. >> WE'RE STARTING TO LIFT IT SELECTIVELY RIGHT NOW, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST FALLING SO FAR BEHIND. >> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS FOR '26, ARE YOU PROJECTING FILLING ALL THESE VACANCIES; IS THAT [INAUDIBLE]? >> NOT NECESSARILY, WE MAY ACTUALLY BE GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION AGAIN TO MEET THE GOALS. NO NEW REVENUE MEANS NO NEW EXPENSES. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE SCRAPING BY GETTING THERE WITH A HIRING FREEZE. WE HAVE TO FILL SOME KEY POSITIONS, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO MAKE THAT DONE. WE'RE READY TO DO THAT. IT'S OKAY. >> OKAY. OTHER ADJUSTMENTS, MEANING CUTTING POSITIONS AND SO FORTH? >> THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET IS PEOPLE, SO YOU DON'T MAKE CHANGES, WE DON'T BUY ENOUGH THINGS TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ANYWHERE ELSE, IT'S PEOPLE. >> OKAY. THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE PLAN, CAN WE BREAK DOWN FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR, WHAT PROJECTS AND ET CETERA ARE FUNDED LINE-ITEM WISE, SO I CAN PLEASE SEE THAT. >> DO YOU MEAN FOR FISCAL YEAR '25? >> YEAH, AND THEN UPCOMING AND THEN FISCAL YEAR '25? >> CAN WE DO IT '23, '24, AND 2'5, PLEASE? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS, RIGHT NOW, FOR FY '26, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A $3.4 MILLION GAP BETWEEN YOUR EXPENSES AND YOUR ANTICIPATED REVENUE? >> GOING OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT 2030, THAT'S DRACONIAN. YOU'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT A $10 MILLION GAP. YOUR ASSUMPTION IS THAT YOU'RE HOLDING THE TAX RATES? >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A DISADVANTAGE FOR GALVESTON WITH A NO NEW REVENUE, IS THE NO NEW REVENUE WAS DESIGNED OVER CITIES THAT HAD A WHOLE LOT OF GROWTH. >> WE DON'T DO THAT. >> ALL OF THE NEW VALUE MADE UP THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT WAS HELD STEADY ON THE EXISTING REVENUE. >> VERY AWARE OF IT. >> IT IS A MUCH HARDER PROPOSITION FOR GALVESTON, WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE THE GROWTH THAT LEAGUE CITY DOES. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A SLIDE ON THAT IN A SECOND AS WELL, JUST LOOKING AT PER CAPITA COSTS, THAT THING. THERE'S A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS TO CONSIDER. NO DOUBT. THE PUBLIC SAFETY SLIDE. THIS IS ALLUDING TO WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS MORNING. WE SAW SOME OF THIS LAST YEAR, AND I ADDED SOME DATA POINTS TO THIS JUST TO HELP US FURTHER UNDERSTAND THIS. PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY GOAL WITH THE CITY. IT IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT SERVICE. IT CAN INCLUDE VARIOUS THINGS IN VARIOUS CITIES. I BRING THIS UP AS WE GO THROUGH MY SECOND BULLET POINT HERE IS THAT GALVESTON'S TOURIST TO RESIDENT RATIO IN '23 WAS 167:1. SO THERE WERE 8.9 MILLION TOURISTS TO 53,000 RESIDENTS. WE SHOULD ALL JUST FEEL THIS. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS CITY DOES, WHAT SERVICES IT PROVIDES, WHERE OUR ECONOMY COMES FROM. NO DOUBT, IT'S HUGE. THE ECONOMIC FORCE IS ENORMOUS AND IMPORTANT, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE RESIDENTS BEAR THAT. IF WE LOOK AT THE COST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, I'VE PUT A COUPLE OF COMMUNITIES IN HERE, THAT DOTTED LINE REPRESENTS COMMUNITIES WITHOUT A PAID FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THE ONES ABOVE IT ARE WITH A PAID FIRE DEPARTMENT JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DRASTIC DIFFERENCE. THE REASONS I PICKED THESE COMMUNITIES LAST YEAR WAS SQUARE MILE WISE, [02:20:02] THEY WERE MOSTLY COMPARABLE AND PASADENA IS CLOSE IN PROXIMITY. I ADDED CORPUS BECAUSE IT'S AN ISLAND, AND I THOUGHT, "IT'S A TEXAS ISLAND, LET'S SEE HOW IT COMPARES." I HAD NO IDEA. >> CORPUS IS NOT ISLAND. SOUTH PADRE IS. >> THERE'S MY GEOGRAPHY LESSONS. DON'T HAVE ME IN GIS, FOLKS. I HOPE EVERYONE GOT GOOD LAUGHS ON THAT. >> BETTER AT MATH. >> YES, MUCH BETTER AT MATH. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUDGETS OF THESE COMMUNITIES ARE COMPARABLE TO OURS FOR THE MOST PART. LEAGUE CITY IS AT 42 MILLION, WE'RE AT 50 MILLION. PART OF LEAGUE CITY'S ADVANTAGE IS THEY DON'T HAVE A PAID FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT IS GEOGRAPHICALLY SIMILAR IN SQUARE MILES TO US, IT IS CLOSE IN REGIONAL PROXIMITY, AND THEIR GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER THAN OURS BY $20 MILLION. THIS NEXT COLUMN, THE PUBLIC SAFETY PER CAPITA WAS NEW THIS YEAR TO THIS SLIDE. WHAT I WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE WAS THAT IN GALVESTON, THE POPULATION THE RESIDENTS ARE PAYING $1,500 A YEAR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, AND IN LEAGUE CITY, THEY'RE ONLY PAYING 908. THAT IS NOT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG OR RIGHT, IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A 167:1 TOURIST TO RESIDENT RATIO. YOU SEE THAT IN THE HOT REVENUE COLLECTED AS WELL. THE WOODLANDS ALSO COLLECTS AT 9%. EVERYONE ELSE COLLECTS AT 7%, BUT STILL, WE ARE WAY ABOVE WHERE ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES ARE, AND SPECIFICALLY, CORPUS, WHICH ISN'T AN ISLAND, IT IS COLLECTING 10 MILLION LESS THAN WE ARE IN HOT, AND IT REPRESENTS 0% COMPARED TO THEIR GENERAL FUND REVENUE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT. WE ARE REALLY A UNIQUE SITUATION DOWN HERE. BUT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST AND WHAT WE'RE FUNDING, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PICTURE, AND IT IS NECESSARY FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT 53,000 RESIDENTS ARE FUNDING PUBLIC SAFETY FOR 8.9 MILLION TOURISTS. >> YOU DO MAKE UP FOR A LITTLE OF THIS WITH SALES TAX, BUT THAT'S ASSUMING EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT COMES TO GALVESTON, WHICH MOST OF OUR VISITORS ARE STILL DAY TRIPPERS, EVEN WITH MOST OF THE CRUISE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE, DAY TRIPPERS ARE COMING IN AND NOT MANY OF THEM ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY HERE. YOU'RE NOT GETTING A ONE-TO-ONE BENEFIT ON THE SALES TAX. YOU GET A LITTLE BUMP IN SALES TAX FROM TOURISM, BUT YOU DON'T GET A FULL REIMBURSEMENT LIKE SOME WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE. >> THAT HOT IS LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN USE IT FOR? >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT IT'S EXACTLY THE ISSUE. TO COUNCILMAN ROB'S POINT, THE LONG TERM PARKING IS ONE WAY THAT YOU CAN GET $1 FROM THAT TOURIST THAT COMES IN. IT DOESN'T OFFSET 167:1 IN YOUR RATIO, BUT IT IS A SMALL AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE TOURISTS PROVIDE THAT ISN'T RESTRICTED IN THE SAME WAY YOUR HOT FUNDS ARE. >> ANOTHER THING THAT HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IS HOT WAS, YOU COULD PRETTY MUCH DRAW A CIRCLE AROUND YOUR HOTELS, AND THAT'S WHERE HOT WAS COLLECTED. NOW, HOT IS COLLECTED THROUGHOUT YOUR ISLAND IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD. >> CORRECT. >> IT'S VERY EASY TO MANAGE TOURISM TRAFFIC AROUND HOTELS WHEN THEY'RE ALL PUSHED TOGETHER ON THE SEA WALL OR IN CERTAIN AREAS. WHEN THEY'RE SCATTERED [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU ARE ALL THROUGH EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS BECOMES QUITE THE CHALLENGE FOR US TO MANAGE. IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION TO DO, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT DRIVES THAT NUMBER AS WELL, BECAUSE OF OUR HIGH NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS DISPERSED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE WAY WE HAVE TO SPEND THAT HOT REALLY SIMPLY INCREASES THAT DISCREPANCY IN THAT RATIO. IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF $8.9 MILLION, HOT IS INTENDED TO DRAW 10 MILLION VISITORS, AND THAT RATIO JUST GETS BIGGER. >> WHICH PART OF THIS TOO, THE STATE LEGISLATURE THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE A FEELING ABOUT WHAT WE EXPERIENCED DOWN HERE IN OUR HOT REALLY NEEDS TO GO FOR MORE PUBLIC SAFETY THAN IT DOES. >> INFRASTRUCTURE, TOO. >> AT SOME POINT, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THEY WOULD WANT THE VISITORS TO BE SAFE AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, WE THINK ABOUT POLICE, BUT I'M SURE CHIEF VARELA WOULD TELL YOU, AS WELL AS OUR EMS, THAT WE RESPOND TO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TOURISM CALLS FIRE EMS. THERE'S A BIG EXPENSE THERE, THAT SO WHEN YOU START COMPARING YOURSELF TO CITIES THAT HAVE SOME HOT, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT, IT'S A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. OUR COSTS JUST START MOUNTING EVEN MORE ALONG THOSE LINES. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. >> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ADD LIKE SOME [INAUDIBLE] EVEN THOUGH IT'S SMALL. >> MY BRAIN, THAT'S WHAT [LAUGHTER]. [02:25:02] BUT IT WAS LATE LAST NIGHT AND I'M NOT GETTING ENOUGH SLEEP. >> THE OTHER FACTOR IS CORPUS IS ALSO A MILITARY. THEY ALSO HAVE MILITARY POLICE, WHICH CUTS THEIR COSTS. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ADD THIS BUT YOU CERTAINLY ARE A PERSON WHO IS VERY OVERWHELMED AND I UNDERSTAND. >> IN LIKE WITH CRUISE PASSENGERS, WHICH HAVE BEEN REALLY GOOD TO US ON ONE SIDE OF THE LEDGER. BUT I KNOW THE MAYOR AND OTHERS ARE GETTING THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN AND OTHER THINGS. TAKING A LOT OF OUR RESOURCES. IT'S EXPENSIVE TO MANAGE ALL OF THAT STUFF GUYS. IT REALLY IS. WE OWE IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE EVERY DAY THAT DO BUSINESS HERE, THAT OWN BUSINESSES HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SOMEWHAT SHIELDED FROM THAT. THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS CAN STILL GET TO THEIR BUSINESSES. THEY'RE STILL ABLE TO MOVE AROUND DOWNTOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CRUISE BUSINESS IS GREAT. IT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE. WE NEED TO MANAGE IT, AND IT TAKES MONEY TO MANAGE THOSE THINGS, AND THAT'S WHERE WHAT CHILE IS TRYING TO POINT OUT TO YOU. >> LET'S SHIFT TO THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. WE DID SOME REALLY EXCITING THINGS THIS PAST FALL DUE TO THE NEEDS IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND. I'M SURE COUNCIL REMEMBER WE INCREASED SEWER RATES, AND WE ALSO INCREASED SOME SANITATION RATES, AND WE MOVE SOME STUFF AROUND IN SANITATION, AND BOTH OF THOSE HAVE HAD THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. IN THE COMBINED WATER SEWER UTILITY FUND, THE RATES HAVE STABILIZED THE FUND IN THE NEAR TERM. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT STARTING IN 2028, WE START RUNNING A DEFICIT, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY RELATED TO WATER. NOW, IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS, BRANNCON IS RIGHT THERE OVER MY SHOULDER. THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL WITH THE WATER AND SEWER MASTER PLAN, AND THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. ON THE SEWER SIDE, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE FUNDS AVAILABLE ON THE SEWER SIDE TO SUPPORT SOME OF THAT PLAN INFRASTRUCTURE DEBT AND OTHERWISE. ON THE WATER SIDE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT ONCE WE GET TO 2028. WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. BUT IN THE NEAR TERM, COMBINED WATER SEWER IS IN GOOD SHAPE BASED ON THOSE RATE CHANGES. SANITATION AND RECYCLING, THE RATE CHANGES HAVE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR THEM TO DO. YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR '25, AND THIS IS PARTLY BARREL RELATED, IS PROJECTED TO BE IN A DEFICIT. BUT STARTING IN FISCAL YEAR '26, BASED ON THE RATE CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED, WE BELIEVE THIS FUND WILL COMPLETELY STABILIZE. I'M GUESSING ONCE THE DEBT ROLLS OFF, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT'S 2028 OR 2029, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO POTENTIALLY SOME SANITATION RATE DECREASES. DON'T HOLD ME TO IT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL. >> I WOULD TELL YOU, TOO, TWO THINGS. ONE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE MANY TIMES BEFORE, WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES OF OUR SIZE THAT OPERATES A SANITATION DEPARTMENT. BUT OUR RESIDENTS GREATLY BENEFIT FROM THAT. BUT THE SECOND THING IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST FEW YEARS IS BRINGING DUSTIN BENDERN, WHO'S AN EXPERIENCED SANITATION PERSON WHO HAS DONE THIS IN OTHER CITIES. WE ARE SEEING THE BENEFITS OF THAT NOW. DUSTIN IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB FOR US. HAVING SOMEBODY LIKE THAT AND WORKING WITH ELROY OVER THERE, THEY'VE REALLY TURNED THE CORNER ON THAT. WE'VE MODERNIZED OUR TRUCKS. WE'RE TRACKING THINGS ELECTRONICALLY NOW, CAMERAS, ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT SANITATION DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE. I JUST WANTED TO NOT LET THAT PASS. DUSTIN IS DO A GREAT JOB WITH IT. IT SHOWS HERE ON THE SLIDE. >> DRAINAGE IS OUR SCARY POINT RIGHT NOW. DRAINAGE REVENUE, AS WE HAD AN EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE FULLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE LAST YEAR, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HICCUPS WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE'RE WORKING OUT ALL THE WRINKLES THERE. NO NEW FEES HAVE BEEN ADDED ON THE DRAINAGE SIDE. THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN DRAINAGE, AND ADDITIONALLY, THE NEW PUMPS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL. BASED ON THE BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR FISCAL YEAR '26, WE'RE SEEING A DEFICIT ALREADY IN OUR REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES. OUR ONGOING MAINTENANCE, THAT'S AT TOP LINE, THE NET REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES IN THE YELLOW THERE THAT YOU'RE SEEING A DEFICIT. IN FISCAL YEAR '26, THERE'S STILL FUND BALANCE IN DRAINAGE TO SUPPORT THAT. YOU'LL SEE WE'RE PROJECTING FISCAL YEAR '26 ENDS WITH 513,000 IN FUND BALANCE. I BELIEVE THAT IS 1,000. YES. >> THERE'S A 14TH STREET AND THE 37TH STREET PUMP STATION? >> WELL, 14TH STREETS UNDERWAY, 37TH THAT WE'RE STILL AWAITING FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT. >> WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS A MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS BUDGET. IN 2027, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE INCLUDED AND MOVING INTO '28. [02:30:03] THIS IS JUST CONJECTURE. I HAVE NOT HAD FULL CONFIRMATION OF THAT, BUT WE'VE ADDED A FOUR PERSON CREW WITH A SUPERVISOR. WE DID HALF AND HALF '27 AND THEN FULLY RAMPED UP '28, BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT WITH THE NEW PUMP STATIONS, PERSONNEL WILL BE NEEDED THAT MANAGE THESE FACILITIES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE IN '27 AND '28. WE WILL ABSOLUTELY NEED TO CONTEMPLATE ONGOING REVENUE SOURCES FOR DRAINAGE. >> THE OTHER THING IS WE HAVE TRIED TO BE AHEAD OF THESE THINGS AS BEST WE CAN WITH NEW PROJECTS, GETTING NEW LINES IN, BUT WHEN WE START MOVING THAT VOLUME OF WATER THROUGH THIS OLD SYSTEM, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH SOME OF THESE PIPE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE HERE. >> THEN THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT WE HAVE ON HARBOR SIDE. 14TH STREET AND 37TH STREET, OR ARE THERE MORE IN THE WORKS DOWN THE ROAD? >> WE TALKED ABOUT ONE FOR DOWNTOWN AS PART OF THAT, A SMALLER ONE. BECAUSE DOWNTOWN IS NOT TIED INTO THE 14TH STREET. IT'S A DIFFERENT BASIS. I THINK 37TH STREET IS A LITTLE BIT OF A REACH FOR IT. >> THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE '26? >> YEAH. >> BUT TO BE CLEAR, SOUTH SHORE WAS GOING TO BE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED, AND WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCES FOR MOST OF THAT AS WELL. THEN THE AIRPORT FUND, WE'RE HAPPY TO REPORT IS HEALTHY. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OUT THERE. YOU'LL SEE THAT THEIR REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES IS SOLID IN THE NEAR TERM, AND THEY HAVE A GOOD FUND BALANCE. THIS IS ON THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION SIDE. AS YOU KNOW, THEY JUST CLOSED ON THAT 26 ACRES. THEIR IMPROVEMENT FUND IS [OVERLAPPING] >> WHEN I GOT TO THE CITY ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO, AIRPORT WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. IT WAS JUST WE HAD SOMEBODY OUT THERE TENDING TO IT, MAKE SURE THE GRASS WAS MOWED AND EVERYTHING HELPING WITH THE TENANTS. WE'VE GOT A PROFESSIONAL AIRPORT MANAGER, MIKE IS DOING A GOOD JOB OUT THERE. >> MIKE IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB. >> IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT SPOTS AND YOU'LL SEE THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> TO GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE WATER AND SEWER SIDE, YOU WILL SEE ON THE WATER WORK SIDE, THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE IS FOLLOWED BY THE PROJECTED REVENUE PERSONNEL COSTS AND OPERATIONAL COSTS, AND THEN NET REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES IS THAT REVENUE OVER EXPENDITURES. YOU'LL SEE IN THE PINK WHERE THAT WE START HAVING A DEFICIT WITH REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES IN FISCAL YEAR '27. YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT'S A PROGRESSIVE DECREASE ON THE FUND BALANCE ON THE WATER SIDE STARTING IN 2027, GOING ALL THE WAY OUT TO 2030. AS WE RECEIVE THE INFORMATION FROM THE WATER AND SEWER MASTER PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THERE WILL PROBABLY ALSO BE OPERATIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THIS FUND IS OPERATIONALLY FUNCTIONING AS IT NEEDS TO WITHOUT DEPLETING THAT FUND BALANCE OVER TIME. ON THE SEWER SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS WITH THE NEW RATE INCREASES ARE EXACTLY WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AT THIS MOMENT. >> BEFORE YOU GO FAR, IN OUR SEWER STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, WERE WATER RATES PREDICTED TO GO UP AT AROUND '28? DID THEY PROGRAM THAT IN TO SUGGEST THAT. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOST RECENT UPDATES, BUT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING IS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL REQUIRE DEBT, AND THERE ARE MOST DEFINITELY RATE INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT DEBT IN THOSE PROJECTS. >> THAT REFLECTED IN YOUR OTHER PAGES AND ANALYSIS? >> NO, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE FULL MASTER PLAN YET WITH PUBLIC WORKS, BUT NEXT MONTH, WE'LL BE DOING CIP, I'LL BE PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL. >> THAT'S WHAT WE USUALLY DO IN JULY. >> AGAIN, ALONG THESE LINES, WE'VE GOT A LITTLE DIFFERENT STRUCTURE GOING OVER THERE, AND BETWEEN AVA AND BEN, THEY ARE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THESE TWO ITEMS FOR US. AVA HANDLING THE OM SIDE AND BEN HANDLING THE DISTRIBUTION IN THE PLANT SIDE TO EXCELLENT YOUNG PEOPLE HIRES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR DEPARTMENT. >> WE SCHOOLED WITH AVA AT GIGA MAC. >> GIGA MAC. ABSOLUTELY. >> OVERALL, THE COMBINED UTILITY IS IN A GOOD POSITION, AS WE SIT TODAY. THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE MASTER PLAN. BUT ON THE WATER SIDE, WE DEFINITELY FORSEE CHANGES THAT WILL NEED TO BE MADE IN THE RATE STRUCTURE IN THE COMING YEAR. >> WHERE'S THE MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS? >> LIKE IN THE MASTER PLAN? THAT IS NOT A QUESTION FOR ME. [LAUGHTER] >> MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. >> MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, WE'LL BRING THEM OUT IN MORE GREATER DETAIL NEXT MONTH, BUT MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE RELATED TO STATE COMPLIANCE MEASURES WITH TCQ IS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO, AND ITS SUPPLY ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE MOSTLY THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. >> ONE THING THIS DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OF, AND I'VE BEEN MEETING FAIRLY FREQUENTLY WITH BRANDON WADE IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE PARDON THE PUN. WE'RE SWIMMING IN WATER. [02:35:01] WE'VE HAD A GOOD YEAR NORTH OF US. THAT IS NOT PROJECTED TO BE THE CASE IN FUTURE YEARS, WHICH IS GOING TO MAKE WATER BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE. THIS IS ASSUMING MORE OF A FLAT RATE ON WATER. THAT'S GOING TO BE A WILL CARD THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. >> WE STILL HAVE THE CHEAPEST WATER RATES AROUND. >> ABSOLUTELY, WE DO. >> PLUS, THERE WERE SOME BILLS THAT ADDRESSED WATER AND THE FUNDING IDEAS. >> THEY DO HAVE A BIG PROJECT COMING UP, I BELIEVE, STARTING IN '27 OR '28, AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS FORECAST. THERE'S A CAPITAL AMOUNT THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING. >> PLAN EXPANSION? >> YEAH. THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS FORECAST. DEBT SERVICE FUND. THIS GOES BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED, AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES. YOU'LL SEE ON THE REVENUE SIDE, THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. FOR FISCAL YEAR '26, WE'RE PROJECTING THAT COULD BE ABOUT $4.6 MILLION. THE FORECAST FOR '27, ASSUMING THAT THERE IS A GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT ISSUANCE WOULD TAKE IT UP TO 6.7 MILLION, OR AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE YELLOW, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED A SMALL AMOUNT COMING IN FROM INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND. WE COULD SWAP SOME OF THAT OUT AND DECREASE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND. OR INCREASE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND CONTRIBUTION AND DECREASE THE PROPERTY TAX CONTRIBUTION. THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD. YOU'LL SEE ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS CURRENTLY ARE IN THAT MIDDLE SECTION. IN '25, IT WAS 4.6 MILLION AND '26, 4.6 MILLION. RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS IS IN THE RANGE OF 4.5-4.6 MILLION. PROJECTED FUTURE BOND SERVICE IS IN THE NEXT CATEGORY THERE, AND YOU SEE IT INCREASING IN FISCAL YEAR '27. AT THE CURRENT TAX RATE, WHICH IS ALL I HAVE TO BASE IT ON AT THIS POINT. ONE PENNY ON THE TAX RATE IS ABOUT $1.2 MILLION. THE PROPOSED GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT ELECTION FOR 60 MILLION, WE PLAN TO ISSUE, AS I MENTIONED, IN TWO TRANCHES. THE FIRST ONE BEING, LET'S SAY, 30 MILLION. THOSE ARE SQUISHY NUMBERS. BASED ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PRESENTED, WE WOULD ASK VERY SPECIFIC AMOUNTS OBVIOUSLY TO THE VOTERS. BUT IF IT WERE 30 MILLION WITH A 20-YEAR TERM, THEN THE ANNUAL OBLIGATION WOULD BE ABOUT $2.4 MILLION. THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS. THEN YOU SEE IN FISCAL YEAR '30, IT WOULD INCREASE WHEN WE ISSUED THE SECOND CHARGE. THE WAY THIS LOOKS, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A VISUAL REPRESENTATION IS OUR CURRENT ANNUAL OBLIGATIONS ARE IN THE TOP GRAPH. YOU'LL SEE THE 2019 DEBT, THE 2017 DEBT. YOU'LL SEE THE BARS FOR '23, '24, '25 THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID, YOU'LL SEE FROM '23-'24, THERE WAS A DECREASE WHEN TWO ISSUES WERE PAID OFF COMPLETELY. STARTING IN '26, IF WE ISSUE NO MORE DEBT, THAT'S HOW THAT DEBT WOULD BE PAID OFF THROUGH 2039. WE PROPOSED ISSUANCE STARTING PAYMENTS IN '27 AND THEN AT '30 YOU'LL SEE THE GREEN BARS AND THEN THE BLUE BARS. YOU SEE HOW THAT DEBT SERVICE WOULD PUSH OUT TO 2049 AND WHAT THE ROLLOFF WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE. THAT JUST GIVES YOU SOME IDEA OF SOMETIMES WE NEED A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF HOW THAT MONEY PLAYS OUT, AND THAT'S WHAT AN ESTIMATE OF THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. LASTLY, WE DON'T WANT TO FORGET HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX. NOT THAT WE EVER DO. BUT WE ARE ANTICIPATING CURRENTLY THAT THE TRAJECTORY OF THE PAST TWO YEARS THAT TREND LINE IS PROBABLY GOING TO HOLD STEADY, AND WE'RE GOING TO REMAIN RELATIVELY FLAT. AS WE KNOW, THE TOURISM SECTOR IS HIGHLY SENSITIVE ALSO TO MACROECONOMIC SHIFTS AND WEATHER IMPACTS, AND BARREL IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT. AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE TRENDS, WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR THE FACT THAT BARREL RESULTED IN MUCH LOWER REVENUE LAST YEAR THAN IT WILL THIS JULY. OUR TRENDS ARE PROJECTING THAT BARREL WON'T HAPPEN. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A 4.3% INCREASE FOR THE '25 COMPARED TO '24, WHICH ISN'T THERE, AND THAT IS SIMPLY THAT BARREL IMPACT. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROJECTING GROWTH '25 OVER '24, IT'S THAT BARREL HAPPENED AND WE ARE PROJECTING IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WE ARE PROJECTING FISCAL YEAR '26 TO BE VERY MUCH IN LINE. WE'RE ONLY PROJECTING A 0.5% INCREASE. WE'RE PROJECTING THE HOT PENNY TO BE 3.21 MILLION PER PENNY, [02:40:03] AND THE ALLOCATION TO CONVENTION CENTER SURPLUS AS WELL AS DEBT SERVICE, AND THE CONVENTION CENTER WILL BE $13 MILLION. >> WITH THE TOTAL LOCAL HOT BEING 28.8 MILLION APPROXIMATELY. >> A QUESTION. WE'RE TRANSFERRING THE COLLECTION OF HOT BACK TO THE CITY. WITH SHORT TERM REGISTRATION. IS THERE ANY FUNDS THAT IN THE PAST, HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO THE PARK BOARD FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THESE MOVING TO THE CITY WITH THAT? >> THEY HAVE A 10% CALCULATED OVERHEAD THAT THEY APPLY MARE. WHETHER THAT CHANGES OR NOT, I THINK WILL BE SUBJECT TO WHAT THEIR BOARD DOES. IT'S GOING TO BE 10% OF A SMALLER NUMBER? >> NO, BUT WE COULD CHARGE AN ADMINISTRATOR. >> ABSOLUTELY. SURE. YES, MA'AM. SEEING THIS LONG RANGE FORECAST, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF RENUMERATION FOR MOVING THOSE SERVICES BACK HERE. >> WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. >> THEN I HAVE JUST A PROJECT, I GUESS. CAN WE LOOK AT THE TOTAL COST OF OUR THE TOTAL BUDGET ASSOCIATED WITH HARBOR SIDE AND THE LONG RANGE WITH THE PUMP STATIONS COMING ONLINE, THE COST OF THAT WHOLE RANGE. JUST HARBOR SIDE AND ADJACENT AREAS LIKE THAT POTENTIAL. >> INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO COSTS. >> INFRASTRUCTURE, CAPITAL PROJECTS, MAINTENANCE. >> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE COSTS. A DETAILED COST SETTING AND EXPENSES ON ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. >> THAT'S IN YOUR BUDGET. >> I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT JUST THE BROKEN DOWN FROM. >> THIS IS CONSIDERED YOUR FORECAST FOR 25, IT IS BASED ON WHAT'S BEEN REQUESTED. THIS IS NOT YOUR FIRST BUDGET PRESENTATION. THERE IS PLENTY OF INFORMATION YET TO COME. >> I GOT YOU. >> HOPEFULLY BEFORE THAT [OVERLAPPING] WE GET COUNSEL FEEDBACK AS WELL SO WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT. >> JULIE, THANK YOU. VERY GOOD REPORT [APPLAUSE]. VERY GOOD INTRODUCTION TO MOVING INTO OUR BUDGET, COMING UP HERE IN OUR NEXT MEETING. IT IS 11: 42. WE DO HAVE LUNCH HERE. WE ARE GOING TO BREAK FOR 30 MINUTES, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL START AT APPROXIMATELY 12:15. WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 3G AGENDA AT THAT POINT. WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED FOR LUNCH. >> THANK YOU. WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY, THAT WE TOOK A LUNCH BREAK HERE, AND WE ARE BACK WITH OUR WORKSHOP FOR JUNE 26, 2025. [3.G Update and Discussion of MasterPlan/Developer for Stewart Beach Park (B Brown/C Brown/ D Anderson - 15 min)] LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3G, PLEASE, JANELLE. >> ITEM 3G. UPDATE AND DISCUSSION OF THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPER FOR STEWART BEACH PARK. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT TO BE SAID, BUT I KNOW COUNSEL WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE ON THIS. DUDLEY, NICE TO SEE YOU, SIR. >> NICE TO SEE YOU, DUDLEY COUNSEL. DUDLEY ANDERSON, CITY'S ARCHITECTURAL PROJECT MANAGER. MY VOICE IS ALLERGY RELATED, SO IT'LL GO ANY MOMENT NOW. >> I CAN RELATE TO THAT. >> LAST MONTH, I TOLD YOU WE'D COME BACK WITH A CONTRACT FOR COUNSEL FOR THE STEWART BEACH MASTER PLAN. WE DIDN'T MAKE THE CONTRACT DEADLINE. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE THE CONTRACT DEADLINE FOR THE MASTER PLAN PROPOSAL FOR NEXT COUNCIL IN JULY. WE TOLD YOU WE HADN'T FOUND A REAL ESTATE PROSPECTUS DEVELOPER. I'VE JUST VISITED WITH [INAUDIBLE]. WE HAVE FOUND ONE. THEY'RE NEGOTIATING THAT AT THE MOMENT. THEY'RE A FAIRLY IMPRESSIVE GROUP, NOT GALTON BASED, THEY'RE HOUSTON BASED. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. WE SHOULD HAVE THEIR CONTRACT ON YOUR AGENDA. IF WE'RE VERY LUCKY, WE'LL HAVE THE REAL ESTATE PROSPECTUS PART OF IT INCLUDED. IF THAT LAGS A LITTLE BIT, IT MAY BE THAT ADDED ON IN THE AUGUST AGENDA, BUT WE WON'T THEM TO START THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS ANYWAY. THAT'S WHAT HOPEFULLY HAPPENS IN JULY. >> ANY OVERALL SLIPPAGE IN YOUR OVERALL SCHEDULE OR IS THIS JUST. >> IT'S LAST MONTH. >> ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT? >> NO. >> I MEAN, JUST BE HONEST WITH ME. [02:45:01] >> IT TAKES THEM A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO IT. IT TAKES US EVEN LONGER TO PROCESS. >> TO BE CLEAR, THE CONTRACT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING TO US IS BRW, AND THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN PHASES. I THINK THE MASTER PLAN WAS ONE OF THE PHASES, THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, I THINK, IS ONE OF THE FIRST PHASES, THE SECOND. WHAT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY IN THAT CONTRACT? >> THAT CONTRACT WILL HAVE, UPDATE FOR THE MASTER PLAN. THEY'LL DO SOME DESIGN STUDIES FOR THE SITE AREA. THEY SAY UP TO THREE OPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT PLOVER WILL GET THAT FAR. THEY'LL REVISE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE SITE CONDITIONS. THE WILL HAVE SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS WITH THAT, DIAGRAMS AND GRAPHICS SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THOSE TO THE PUBLIC. THEY HAVE THE CHANCE TO INTERACT WITH THAT. THERE'S TWO MEETINGS WITH THE PUBLIC. INPUT INTO THAT IN A BIG WAY. TO INFORM THE PUBLIC WHAT WE HOPE HAPPENS TO FIND OUT FROM THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY WANT. THE PUBLIC BEING CITIZENS OF GALVESTON IN MY MIND. OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES, I'M SURE CAN SHOW UP, BUT THAT'S WHO IT'S INTENDED FOR. >> THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING THE ROGERS PARTNERS MASTER PLAN AS A STARTING POINT. >> THE 5-YEAR-OLD ROGERS MASTER PLAN IS THE STARTING POINT. IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY QUICK TO UPDATE THAT AND REDEVELOP IT. EXCUSE ME. WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS WE WANT TO REVISE ON THAT PLAN. WE'LL REFER BACK TO YOU AS WE BEGIN TO TELL PEOPLE THE CONCEPTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. DOWN THERE. >> ONE MORE THING, IT PROBABLY BE USEFUL TO REVISE THE TIMELINE WHEN YOU COME BACK NEXT MONTH? >> YES. >> WE NEED TO PLAN TO BE ABLE TO PUBLICIZE AND ADVERTISE THIS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, SOME KIND, SO WE CAN GET AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN POSSIBLY GET. WE WILL IN TURN HAVE THE BUY IN OVER TIME AS THIS TAKES TO GET IT DONE. WE MAY NOT BE HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN THAT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO TRANSCEND OUR TERMS HERE OR NOT. >> THE TIMELINE THAT WE'VE SET UP SO FAR IS BASED UPON CONTRACT APPROVAL. THEN THE TIME OF THE WORK STARTS. IT DEPENDS ON WHEN WE START THE APPROVAL. AS SOON AS WE GET THAT, THEN WE CAN START PUTTING ACTUAL DATES ON THE PHASES THAT THEY'RE TO BRING THINGS BACK. >> THEN ONE MORE THING IS A NEW BEACH PATROL FACILITY IS REALLY A PRIORITY PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE AS WE KNOW THEY'RE OUT THERE IN TRAILERS RIGHT NOW. >> YES. >> YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE PROGRAM FOR THAT, I THINK. >> WE HAVE THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM FROM 18 MONTHS OR SO AGO. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DISTINGUISH THE PARTS THAT HAVE TO BE ON THE BEACH FROM THE PARTS THAT DO NOT HAVE TO BE ON THE BEACH. THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE OFF OF THE BEACH. TO PUT THAT. >> THAT DEPENDS, I GUESS, ON FINDING A PLACE NUMBER ONE FOR THAT DRY LAND SIDE OF THE PROGRAM. BUT ALSO AT SOME POINT, I ASSUME YOU'RE GOING TO ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS FOR THAT PROGRAM CONFIRMATION. NO BEACH PATROL. >> BEACH PATROL. YES. TRYING TO NEXT WEEK MEET WITH AUSTIN. NEXT WEEK MAY NOT BE THE BEST WEEK BECAUSE THAT'S JULY 4TH, WEEK. MAYBE THE WEEK AFTER THAT TO SIT DOWN WITH AUSTIN AND MAYBE I HAVE TONY STILL THERE. I'M NOT SURE. SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND TALK ABOUT HOW TO SEPARATE THOSE THINGS OUT. I UNDERSTAND IN MY MIND HOW TO SEPARATE THEM OUT, BUT WE NEED THEIR INPUT INTO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MISS SOMETHING. >> WE NEED TO KNOW PROVIDE THAT AND TURN THAT FEEDBACK BACK TO THE COUNCIL. IS ALL PART OF OUR COUNCIL EVALUATION OF THAT WHOLE PROTECT. >> AS WE COME UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN, WE'LL SAY WHAT THINGS WE REALLY WANT THERE. RIGHT NOW, A FACILITY FOR BEACH PATROL IS PART OF IT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE ENTIRETY OF BEACH PATROL, NOR IS IT NECESSARILY FOR MEETING ROOMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THOSE THINGS MAY BEGIN TO FALL OFF AND BE TAKEN CARE OF SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE MAY HAVE LARGE MEETINGS OFF SOMEWHERE. >> BY THE TIME WE COME BACK IN JULY, YOU'LL HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM BEACH PATROL ON THAT PROGRAM. >> I CAN PUT A MEMO TOGETHER ABOUT THAT. [INAUDIBLE] >> I HEARD THIS WAS THE UPDATE THAT BOB GAVE TO THE PARK BOARD ABOUT REMOVING ON SAND PARKING. >> THAT'S ONE WAY OF TALKING ABOUT IT. WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS A GREAT BIG SAND LOT. [02:50:02] IT'S NOT THE MOST ATTRACTIVE THING IN THE WORLD. IT STAYS WET MOST OF THE TIME. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS OTHER WAYS TO PARK OUT THERE THAT MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THE BEACH REVERT TO A MORE NATURAL STATE. A LITTLE MORE SCENIC. >> I WOULD CAUTION VERY STRONGLY AGAINST THAT. JUST FOR MORE OR SO THE LAST TEN YEARS, STEWART BEACH HAS BEEN I WOULD SAY, A NOSE DIVE. THE REASON WHY WE'VE HAD THE ON SAND PARKING ISSUES WAS BECAUSE OF THE HARVESTING OF SAND OFF OF STEWART BEACH. THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO SPEAK OF INSIDE OF THE PARK IS THE DRAINAGE PROJECT. IT'S CAUSING SOME PROBLEMS, TOO. I THINK EVERYONE'S SAID ENOUGH. BUT, LAST WEEKEND, I WAS WITH THE WILSONS, WHO HAVE BEEN ON STEWART BEACH WHEN THEY WERE KIDS WITH MR. KAYLA, WHO HAD THE JOHN'S BEACH SERVICE ORIGINALLY. TOM YOUNGBLOOD, WHO USED TO BE A BEACH PATROL. HIS FATHER WAS JUDGE YOUNG BLOOD. THAT WHOLE AREA FROM TENTH STREET TO FIRST STREET WAS VIBRANT AND BOB PROBABLY REMEMBERS IT. I WAS GOING TO BRING A TON OF PICTURES HERE TO GIVE THAT SAME FEELING VIBE. WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS DUE TO THE CITY IN THE 40S, THERE WAS ALWAYS ON SAND PARK. I UNDERSTAND REMOVING SOME OF THAT, BUT LETTING IT GO TO A COMPLETELY NATURAL STATE AND HAVING, ELEVATED PARKING FOR THE WHOLE THING, GOOD LUCK. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> IT'S A MIXTURE. >> WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT BACKING THE PARKING UP. >> WE'LL MOVE AS MUCH VEGETATION BACK AS WE CAN. WE STILL NEED TO PROVIDE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME TOO. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BACKING IT UP? >> THEY CREATED THOSE DUNES. IF YOU LOOK ON EITHER SIDE OF THE PARK WHERE THERE'S BEEN NO DEVELOPMENT, NO PARKING. IT'S FULLY VEGETATED. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A BIGGER ZONE OF THAT. IT DOES IT PROTECTS WHAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT A LITTLE BETTER. THEN WE CAN WALK ACROSS THAT. WE CAN CREATE SOME WALKWAYS ACROSS IT. BUT MAYBE MOVE THE PARKING A LITTLE FARTHER FROM THE BEACH. NOT TRYING TO GET THAT PARKING RIGHT UP TO THE BEACH. >> THAT AREA IS ACCRETE. >> CORRECT. >> IT IS ALREADY A MISERABLE EXPERIENCE, IF YOU HAVEN'T. THE REASON WHY I CAUTION IT IS BECAUSE I WORK ON THE BEACH. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO DO. MY FAMILY TALKS ABOUT THE GREAT TIMES THEY USED TO HAVE, HOW IT WAS A PLEASURABLE EXPERIENCE. YOU CAN GRAB A COAT, SAUCE OF SANDWICH. YOU CAN GO RIGHT A CONCRETE SLIDE, GET YOUR ELBOWS CRAPED UP. PEOPLE WANT TO PARK IT'S CONVENIENCE. PEOPLE WANT TO PARK CLOSE TO THE SHORELINE. IF NOT UP TO IT, WHICH I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT AT STEWART BEACH. >> WE USED TO DRIVE ON IT. IT'S VERY CONVENIENT [OVERLAPPING]. >> BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF YOU MOVE THAT LINE BACK. IF YOU MOVE IT BACK, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO WALK AND YOU'RE GOING TO HURT STEWART BEACH. PERIOD, IT'S PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT IS A FACT ON THE BEACH. YOU WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL MISERABLE WALKING, AN EXTRA 100 FEET, AND IT GROWS, AND THEN EVERY YEAR, IT'S AN EXTRA WHATEVER FEET IT IS TO WALK FROM THE PARKING LOT AND IT'S HOT. IT'S VERY HOT OUT THERE IN THE SUMMER. I WOULD JUST SAY I STRONGLY, URGE AGAINST MOVING ANY OF THE PARKING FURTHER BACK INTO THE PARK. I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ON SAND, BUT IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 40S, ON SAND PARKING. THE BUSINESSES OUT THERE, IT'S NOT A VERY PLEASURABLE EXPERIENCE. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WALK FURTHER, AND THEN THE OTHER PLAN OF HAVING A FARING SYSTEM TO MOVE PEOPLE WITH WHATEVER BACK AND FORTH TO THE BEACH FRONT AND BACK, I JUST DON'T SEE IT AS FEASIBLE. IT JUST THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF CONCERN BECAUSE IF STEWART BEACH FAILS, AND BOB SAID IT MIGHT NOT BE US AT THE TABLE, BUT MY KIDS AND GRAND KIDS THAT'S THE FUTURE OF STEWART BEACH. IT SHOULD BE A BEACON OF LIGHT WHEN YOU DRIVE ABOUT 45, [02:55:01] AND IT SHOULD MAKE YOU WANT WANT TO JUST TURN INTO STEWART BEACH. WHY WE'RE MOVING THINGS BACKWARDS AND LETTING IT GO NATURAL. I REALLY CAN'T GET BEHIND THAT. I URGE MY COUNCIL FELLOW COUNSEL NOT TO DO THAT. BECAUSE JUST FROM A PRACTICAL, STANDPOINT, IT DOES NOT WORK. IT WON'T WORK, AND IT'S IT'S GOING TO KILL THE PARK, EVEN MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS. >> STRONG, PLEASE TAKE IT UNDER STRONG. TALK TO ANYBODY WHO'S WORKED OUT THERE FOR, I THINK WALTERS GOT, WHAT, 50 OR 60 YEARS OUT THERE. IT WOULD JUST NOT BE ADVISED TO MOVE THE PARKING FURTHER NORTH. >> MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO PRESENT THE THOUGHTS. IS IT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE THE BEACH AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE? AS COMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET FROM THEIR CAR TO THE BEACH AS POSSIBLE. IN THAT WE DON'T DRIVE ONTO THE BEACH. THE ACTUAL BEACH ITSELF, THE WET SAND, ANYMORE. WE HAVE TO WALK SOME. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS ATTRACTIVE AND AS CONVENIENT AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY WITH A VARIETY OF AMENITIES, A WAY TO CLEAN UP, A WAY TO GET SOME SHADE, A WAY THAT YOU'RE NOT WALKING AND SLOGGING, CARRYING STUFF THROUGH TO THE ROAD THAT'S THERE NOW. YOU HAVE TO GO ALL IF YOU HAVE TO PARK ALL THE WAY BACK UP THERE, THAT'S A MISERABLE TREK. >> NO, I DID WELL, THERE'S REASONS WHY IT IS, BUT I'LL SHARE THIS PHOTO WITH GENESIS, YOU CAN PUT ON THE RECORD, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S ATTRACTIVE. THE UMBRELLAS AND CHAIRS, THE PAVILION THERE USED TO BE A BOARDWALK. IT'S CALLED THE BOARDWALK ON STEWART BEACH AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH THE PAVILION COMPONENT ON THE FRONT, AND MAYBE THE BOARDWALK GOES TO THE PAVILION TOO, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THAT ASPECT OR ALTER THAT IN A MAJOR WAY, I THINK IT HURTS THE IS THAT YOURS? NO. I THINK IT HURTS THE PART MORE THAN THAN MAKING IT VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE AS MORE OF PRESERVING THE NATURAL RESOURCE WHEN THAT IS THE AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DON'T PRESERVE THE NATURAL RESOURCE, BUT THERE'S A USE THAT IT HAS BEEN AND I'M WALKING A FINE LINE HERE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEMS AT STEWART BEACH, AND WE CAN'T SELL OURSELVES SHORT AND LIMIT THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN LIMITED. IF WE MOVE IF WE REMOVE WE'RE GOING TO ADD PARKING ACCESS WITH THE ELEVATED PARKING GARAGE, ESSENTIALLY. >> SOME THAT'S A PROBABILITY WE SPENT, BUT WE STILL A DEFINED THING. >> BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY, ABOUT A TOTAL $3,000,000 ON A PROJECT TO INCREASE BEACH ACCESS, AND IT'S NOT INCREASING THAT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE ACCESS. THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS IS THAT WE KILL THE PARK BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO WANT TO WALK AN EXTRA WHATEVER 100 FEET, AND IT GROWS EVERY YEAR. AND THE BUSINESSES DIE. PROBABLY REMEMBERS BETTER THAN I DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT I I FEEL LIKE I'M MISSING OUT WHEN I HEAR, TOM YOUNGBLOOD TALK ABOUT WORKING FOR MY GRANDFATHER AND BEACH PATROL ON TENTH STREET, AND YOU COULD WALK AND AND YOU GO RIDE BUMPER CARS AND JUST HAVE A BLAST AND THAT WHOLE AREA WAS PROSPEROUS. RIGHT NOW. >> IT'S STALE. >> IT'S STALE AND DEAD. I JUST DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO KILL THE AREA. >> WE'VE GOT MARIE AND BO MARIE. >> MY ONE QUESTION IS, WHEN I WAS WATCHING PART 4 YESTERDAY. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN STATED THAT HE IS WORKING CLOSELY WITH YOU ON THE DESIGN OF THE PARK. I DON'T REMEMBER COUNCIL VOTING THAT APPROVAL. >> I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT LANGUAGE THERE. >> HE'S NOT WORKING CLOSELY ON THE DESIGN. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE PARK, BUT THERE'S A HUGE DISTINCTION THERE IN WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF IT. >> I'M JUST THINKING HOW HE. >> WE HAVEN'T. >> I DID NOT SAY THAT. BUT WHAT I WAS IMPLYING WAS, FIRST OF ALL, THE PARK IS IN MY DISTRICT, SO I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IT. I CONTACT DUDLEY FOR UPDATES ON WHERE WE ARE, AND IF HE'S GOT ANY QUESTIONS, WE ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT NO, WE'RE NOT CONSULTING ON THE DESIGN OF ANYTHING. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE WORK STILL YET TO COME. IN TERMS OF PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS, WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SEE IN TERMS OF WHAT DEVELOPER MIGHT THINK TO DO OUT THERE. [03:00:05] WE'RE NOT REALLY DECIDING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CRAFT AN RFP TO GET A DEVELOPER TO COME IN HERE AND HELP US. >> I WAS JUST GOING BY WHAT YOU SAID, AND IT'S ON TAPE. >> WELL, IT WAS MISINTERPRETED. I'LL SAY THAT. >> BUT THAT WAS WHAT YOU SAID. >> CLANCY BROWN DID SEND ME A NOTES THAT HE HAD TO REPORT ON THE PROGRESS, TOO AS PART OF THE. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT [INAUDIBLE]. >> BUT I'M TRUSTEES MEETING THAT'S I TALKED TO HIM THAT MORNING ABOUT THAT, AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT WAS ON HIS MIND. BUT IT'S THE LANGUAGE SOMETIMES CAN GET HEADED OFF IN A DIRECTION IT WASN'T INTENDED TO. WE HAVE NOT WORKED ON THE DESIGN OF THE BEACH. >> OKAY. >> WE ARE DOING SOME SKETCHING ON THE BEACH IN-HOUSE WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THIS TO DEVELOP, JUST TO KEEP THOUGHTS CURRENT, JUST TO DO SOME EXPLORATION OF IDEAS. BUT WE'RE NOT DOING IN-HOUSE DESIGN ON IT, THAT WILL BE DONE OUT OF HOUSE. >> IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL BASED ON INPUT FROM STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH INCLUDES THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, IT INCLUDES US, AND INCLUDES A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER INFLUENCES. BUT REALLY, WE'RE DEPENDING ON THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE'RE DEPENDING ON A DEVELOPER WITH EXPERIENCE IN THIS THING TO MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL. >> BUT WHEN A DEVELOPER HEARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING SOME ON-SAND PARKING, AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD IF I PUT MYSELF IN THAT SHOES, I WOULDN'T WANT IT WOULD BE LESS INCENTIVIZED FOR ME TO CAPTURE WHAT STEWART BEACH IS. WHAT I HATE TO SAY WHAT IT WAS, BUT WHAT IT CAN BE BECAUSE IT WAS A PROSPEROUS AREA. IT WAS WHERE YOU WENT TO THE BEACH. IT WAS A YOU COULD GRAB A BEER, YOU COULD GO GET A RIDE THE CONCRETE SLIDE. JANELLE WAS TELLING ME SHE USED TO SKIP SCHOOL TO GO TO STEWART BEACH, AND NOW. >> JANELLE. >> BUT, THAT'S THE STEWART BEACH THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER. IT'S NOT. >> I REMEMBER GOING THERE IN THE 1950S AND THE '60S WHEN I WAS A KID. I ALSO I RENTED UMBRELLAS THAT THE WORK FOR THE GUY WHO RENTED UMBRELLAS WHEN I WAS A KID. I REMEMBER EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING. >> THAT'S WE WANT TO REVITALIZE IT. THAT'S THE IDEA IN GETTING THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, SOMEBODY TO MAKE IT A PLACE AGAIN. RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT, BUT WE WANT THE ENTRANCE TO BE ATTRACTIVE. WE WANT THE BEACH ITSELF TO BE ATTRACTIVE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO GO THERE. IN MY MIND, I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO GO THERE 12 MONTHS A YEAR. THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE LOCALS USE, NOT JUST THE SIX-MONTH TOURIST WINDOW. SOMETHING FOR THEM. SOME PLACE THEY CAN GO AND HAVE A RELAXING STROLL ON THE BEACH OR WHATEVER, BUT SOMETHING FOR LOCAL CITIZENS. >> WE HAVE BOTH. >> I FOUND SEVERAL DIFFERENT PICTURES TO JUST DEFINE WHAT I REMEMBER. MY FIRST JOB WAS AT THE WATER COASTER, AND I WOULD SPEND TWO HOURS PER SHIFT. I WOULD LIFEGUARD AT THE WATER COASTER, THEN I'D GO OVER AND WORK TWO HOURS AT THE BUMPER BOATS. I WORKED TWO HOURS AT THE SKATE PARK THAT THEY CREATED. THE VERY FIRST SKATE PARK, I THINK, EVER BUILT IN TEXAS. IT WAS THE FIRST RAMP AND BOWL SKATE PARK THAT I'D EVER SEEN. THEN I WOULD GO ACROSS THE STREET AND COOK HAMBURGERS AT A LARGE OUTDOOR BEACH PATIO CLUB, THEY CALLED IT. BESIDES THAT, I GREW UP, OF COURSE, RAISED BY MY FATHER WHO RAN THE HUT CLUB, THAT WAS THERE WHERE YOU'LL NOW SEE THE RAMPS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE BIG ACREAGE OUT THERE WITH THE WITH ALL THE GROWTH THAT HAS COME IN, BUT THAT USED TO BE FIVE OR SIX ROW DEEP BEACH EVERY WEEKEND. I THINK IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO VISUALIZE GETTING THE BEST WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MARKET OURSELVES TO ME TO ENGAGE WITH THE BEST DEVELOPER POSSIBLE FOR THAT PROPERTY AND RIGHT NOW, I'D BE LIKE, ME, IF I WAS A LANDOWNER WITH A LOT, AND I'D LET THE GRASS GROW UP TO CHEST HIGH, AND I HAD BROKEN DOWN FENCE AND CARS STUCK ON IT AND JUST THE WORST PRESENTATION POSSIBLE. I COULD NEVER EXPECT A DEVELOPER TO TAKE ME SERIOUS. THE PRESENT STATE OF THAT AREA IN RIGHT NOW IS NOT ONLY EMBARRASSING, DEPLORABLE, IT'S, DRAINING ON OUR BUDGET IF ANYTHING ELSE. [03:05:02] IF THE PARKS BOARD IS NOT GOING TO TAKE THE STEPS, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO TAKE THAT BEACH BACK TO ITS NATURAL STATE BECAUSE FOR 60 OR 70 YEARS, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A MOAT OR A PROBLEM WITH DRAINAGE THERE GOD TOOK CARE OF THAT WITH GRAVITY. IT JUST TO ME, JUST NUTS THAT WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO GET THAT SPACE READY TO BRING THE A-RATED DEVELOPER BEST ONE WE CAN FOR THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW THE STAGES, I DON'T KNOW THE REASONS WHY WE CAN'T. I GOT TO RELY ON THAT. >> WHAT WE HAVE IS A VERY VALUABLE BEACH FRONTAGE. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT. THAT LENGTH OF BEACH, AND TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ONTO IT, IS WHAT'S GOING TO ATTRACT THAT DEVELOPER. >> OF COURSE. BUT AT THE MOMENT. >> IT'S UNIQUE. IT WON'T ROT WON'T SHRINK, HOPEFULLY. >> LET'S TRY TO UNCOVER BIT'S TRY TO UNCOVER THE WATER THAT ENCAPSULATES EVERY DATA, WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT. >> IT WOULD BE VERY NICE. THAT WOULD BE THE HOPE. >> I'D BE A GOOD START. >> YEAH. >> TO UNDERSTAND THAT, IF YOU AREN'T AWARE, A LOT OF THE BEAT TISSUES THAT EXIST COME FROM ALL THE SCRAPING AND SAND REMOVAL THAT WERE DONE AFTER HIKE. >> I'M NOT GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU? >> I HAVE PICTURES. I HAVE TO BE IN PALADE, [INAUDIBLE]. >> REMEMBER, THE CITY WASN'T DOING THAT. >> OH, I KNOW THAT. >> WE CAN'T LET THOSE MISTAKES THAT CAUSED. >> NO ONE NOTICED. >> IS THIS. WE CAN'T LET MISTAKES LIKE THE HARVESTING CONTINUE WITH THOSE PRICES. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE WAY THAT WHAT IT USED TO BE. YOU CAN'T CONTINUE IT, BUT AN ATTEMPT TO FIX IT, WHATEVER, BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE WHAT THAT PART REPRESENTS. WE CAN'T ALTER THE WAY THAT WE THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF MISTAKES WE HAVE TO. >> RECAPTURE. >> WE CAN MAKE IT IN THE FUTURE. >> THE MISTAKES FOR THAT PART THAT STARTED ON ITS DOWNTURN WAS DONE BEFORE HIKE. IT'S BEEN IT GOES BACK BEFORE THEN. DUDLEY, SO NEXT MEETING, YOU'LL BE BRINGING A REVISED TIMELINE, IS THAT RIGHT, SIR? YES. >> HOPEFULLY NEXT MEETING, I'LL BRING YOU A CONTRACT. THAT'S THE FOCUS AT THE MOMENT. >> YES. >> THAT THROUGH OUR SYSTEM INTO YOU SO WE CAN GET THEM STARTED. >> THE WORK OF THAT CONTRACT IS GOING TO LEAD TO AN RFP FOR MASTER DATA? >> YES. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. >> WHAT'S YOUR BEST GUESS ON IF THIS FLOWS, AS YOU WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE? >> I DIDN'T BRING THAT ONE WITH ME, BUT IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT A 12-MONTH PROCESS BEFORE WE GET A DEVELOPER AND THEY BEGIN TO GET DESIGN WORK DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE THAT. THAT'S SOMEWHERE IN THERE WERE SIX TO SEVEN MONTHS TO GET TO THAT POINT. THEN, AS WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT OUT THERE. THEN THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM PARTS OF IT A FEW MONTHS TO PARTS OF IT A FEW YEARS. IF THERE'S A LARGE SERIES OF STRUCTURES THAT GO CLOSER TO THE SEAWALL, SAY, THAT'S GOING TO BE YEARS IN THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS AT TOUCHING THE BEACH OR IF WE MOVE THE ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, CLOSER TO THE BEACH, THEN THOSE THINGS CAN BE A LITTLE SOONER. >> OKAY. >> WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MEETING, JANELLE. IF WE MAKE SURE WE GET THIS ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA FOR NEXT MEETING, IF WE OKAY. >> VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM THREE, H, PLEASE. [3.H Discussion of a replacement for Fire Station #2 (D. Anderson - 20 min)] >> ITEM THREE H. DISCUSSION OF A REPLACEMENT FOR FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO. >> DUDLEY, I GUESS YOU KEEP STAYING RIGHT THERE. MIKE, COME ON FORWARD. >> EACH OF YOU SHOULD HAVE A PAPER PACKET OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THE SCREEN. >> WE HAVE CHIEF FERRELL WITH REA FIRE. >> I'M GOING TO LET MY VOICE GO SOFT FOR A WHILE, LET MIKE GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON WHY WE NEED THIS FACILITY. [03:10:01] I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A WHY WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF WE HAD. THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO. >> GOT IT, YOU. >> MIKE, IF YOU CAN, YEAH. >> I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE'VE MUMBLED ABOUT IT FOR YEARS NOW, AND GROWTH. IN ALL ASPECTS IS PROBABLY THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS STATION. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EAST AND JUST WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, UTMB, AND JUST THE ADDITION OF MORE TOURISM IN THAT ASPECT OF GROWTH, THEN, YES, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A STATION THAT ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR THAT GROWTH. WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A STATION WITH I CAN FIT ONE TRUCK, MAYBE A SMALLER VEHICLE IN THERE. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ANY NEW PUMPER THAT WE PURCHASE, OR ANY FUTURE LADDER TRUCK THAT WE'D LIKE IN THERE. NO FUTURE EMS. >> I THINK A NEW PUMPER WOULD NOT FIT IN THE FACILITY AS CORRECT. >> THE NEW PUMPERS ARE BIGGER THAN THIS. WE KEEP MOVING THE OLDEST ONE WE HAVE OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF OLD ONES, SO. >> NO, THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT PICTURE. VERY TIGHT. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ERROR WHEN YOU BACK THOSE PUMPERS IN RIGHT THERE. JUST THAT GROWTH IS ONE OF THE REASONS. OF COURSE, IN THE FUTURE, WE'D LIKE TO GROW AS WELL. PERHAPS WE'D LIKE TO PUT AN AMBULANCE WHEN ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT AND TRANS GETS THERE. IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE AN AMBULANCE ALSO THAT CAN RUN OUT OF THAT FIRE STATION AS WELL. THE STATION THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, THE FOOTPRINT IS FANTASTIC, I THINK AS FAR AS ELEVATION GOES, DUDLEY, FOR US. IT'S A GREAT AREA IT'S A GREAT SPOT WHERE WE CAN RESPOND EAST AND WEST FROM THERE. JUST THE SIZE AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS JUST IT'S GETTING TOUGH FOR US. >> I MENTIONED THE TOWER. >> YEAH. WE DO HAVE A NEW TOWER TRUCK THAT IS COMING IN NOVEMBER OF 2027. NOW OUR TOWER TRUCK THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, AT THAT TIME, IT'LL BECOME, I WANT TO SAY 27 YEARS OLD. >> BUT WE'D LOVE FOR BEING RESERVED AS STATION. >> WE'VE REBUILT THE TRUCK. THE NEW ENGINE, EVERYTHING IS NEW ON THE. >> [INAUDIBLE] MOTOR. IT WOULD BE A GREAT RESERVE FOR RESIDENTS HERE. IN ORDER TO HOUSE THAT TRUCK, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A STATION THAT CAN HOUSE IT. >> THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. I'D BE NICE TO HAVE A LADDER TRUCK OUT THERE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK CHIEF, BUT WHETHER WE PUT ANOTHER PUMPER OUT THERE, WHETHER PUT LIKE WE DID AT SEVEN, IT'S DONE VERY WELL. IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE I TELL YOU THAT. >> JUST BECAUSE EVERYTHING OUT THERE BEING ELEVATED RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST BEHOOVES US TO DO THESE THINGS. >> WE HAVE BOB AND MARIE. >> ARE YOU PROPOSING DEMOLISHING THIS AND BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE. THAT MAKES SENSE AND THERE'S ENOUGH FOOTPRINT ON THAT SITE TO HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED IN THAT PROGRAM. >> MOSTLY. IF WE ADD THE ALLEY. >> IF YOU ADD. ABANDON THE ALLEY. >> EXTRA 24. >> NOT TO ABANDON, IT'S OURS. >> PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THE ALLEY. >> THAT WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE] >> BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LIMITED SITE. I'LL GET YOU IN JUST A SECOND. BECAUSE WE'VE LOOKED AT THE SITE AND WE KNOW IT'S SO TIGHT. WE TRIED EVERYTHING WE COULD TO FIND A SITE IN THAT AREA. THAT WOULD FIT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO THERE. WORKED WITH CEE SMITH FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTY THERE. THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON THAT. WE COULD NOT FIND A SITE THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE WANTED WITH THE ACCESS WE WANTED AND THE FLOOD ELEVATION WE WANTED. THIS PARTICULAR SITE IS ACTUALLY NOT IN A FEMA FLOOD CELE. THAT HELPS US KEEP THE BUILDING ITSELF A LITTLE BIT LOWER, SO WE DON'T HAVE BIG RAMPS. RAMPS AND FIRE TRUCKS JUST DO NOT LIKE EACH OTHER. THE LOWER WE CAN KEEP THAT RAMP, THE BETTER WE ARE GETTING IN AND OUT OF IT. ESPECIALLY ON A VERY TIGHT SITE. WE FINALLY DECIDED THAT THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THIS IS TO REBUILD ON THAT SITE BY ADDING THE ALLEY. IT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY ODD SIZE LOT. IT'S LIKE A LOT AND A HALF. THEN GO VERTICAL WITH IT. IT'LL HAVE TO BE TWO STORY. WE HAVE STORY. BASICALLY, THE APPARATUS ON THE LOWER LEVEL. >> BUT IT'S SURROUNDED BY MULTI STORY BUILDINGS. >> IT'S REALLY IT'S TWO LOTS WIDE. >> PRETTY MUCH. >> ONE AND A HALF PLUS AND THEN THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE RIGHT AWAY OF FIFTH STREET. [03:15:02] >> HUNDRED AND 95. >> THE STREETS GET STRANGE RIGHT IN THERE FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW WHY. >> THE GRADE ELEVATION AS HIGH ALERT? >> YES. WE WOULD NOT ACTUALLY HAVE TO. >> PART OF THE WALL, SO WHEN IT CURVED AROUND SIX, THAT ALL THAT AREA WAS FILLED IN. >> YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS CITY OF GALVESTON AND A LITTLE RED DOT, THAT IS WHERE FIRE STATION IS LOCATED. THOSE BROWN ZONES ARE ACTUALLY VERY HIGH ELEVATIONS AND THOSE ARE NOT IN FMA FLOOD ZONES. >> THAT'S ON ABOUT SEVENTH STREET? >> SIXTH STREET. >> ON THE FOURTH STREET FOURTH STREET AND CHURCH? >> YEAH. >> SIX STREETS OVER TO THE WEST A LITTLE. >> ACTUALLY, IT'S ON THE CORNER OF FIFTH. >> WE HAVE MARIE. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY I REMEMBER WHEN I FIRST DID A TOUR OF ALL THE FIRE STATIONS BACK IN 2012. I COULD HAVE TOLD YOU THEN THAT THIS FIRE STATION WAS ANTIQUATED. SO THANK GOD, WE'RE FINALLY DOING IT. >> ONE OF THE THINGS TO THE WAY THE STATIONS SET UP WE BACK UP A TRUCK AND OUR BEDROOM DORM IS FIVE FEET AWAY. EXHAUST GOES RIGHT IN THE LITTLE VERY LITTLE STORAGE. WE HAVE A SMALL ROOM THAT HOUSES ARE FRIDGE, A LITTLE HOUSE ALL THE FIRES IT'S SIMILAR TO IF YOU WATCH AN EMERGENCY AS A KID, LIKE I DID, IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT. THE FIREFIGHTERS BELIEVE OR NOT THAT ARE THERE LOVE. THEY LOVE THAT LITTLE STATION. BUT LISTEN I'M TWISTING. THEY'VE EVEN SAID MARK MORGAN HAS TOLD ME THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO HELP US. MARKET THE BONDS. THEY FEEL LIKE TAXPAYERS WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THEM TO HAVE A GOOD FIRE STATION, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. >> WHERE WE GOING TO HOUSE THEM IN THE M BETWEEN? >> WE WOULD PROBABLY PUT AT ONE, RIGHT? >> YEAH. STATION 1 WOULD TURN INTO STATION 12. >> BUT IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. ONE AND TWO HAVE BEEN TOGETHER BEFORE? >> CORRECT. >> HAVE DAVID, AND THEN I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE FINANCES IN A SECOND, BRIAN. DAVID? >> FIRST OFF, ON THE COST ESTIMATE, BUBLY, I THINK YOU'RE SPOT ON IN TERMS OF YOUR UNIT COST FOR THE. >> UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT THINGS COST NOW. >> I KNOW IT IS. IT IS A MEAN I DON'T ANYWAY. BUT I WANT TO GO THERE. >> I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >> BUT I THINK YOUR UNIT COST SPECIATE FOR SPACE IS SPOT ON. I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING FEES. TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ALLEY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND LOOKING AT THIS, THAT ALLEY GOES ALL THE WAY FROM FOURTH TO FIFTH CURRENTLY. YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO USE A PORTION OF IT FOR THE FIREHOUSE? >> THE ALLEY GOES FROM STREET TO STREET. >> CORRECT, FROM FOURTH TO FIFTH. >> THAT ALLEY IS USED A LOT BY THE APARTMENT COMPLEX FOR ACCESS TO THEIR PARKING UNDER THERE. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE A STREET THAT RUNS WELL, NOT STREET, A PARKING LOT THAT RUNS ON A 120 FOOT SEGMENT ADJACENT THERE. THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS. IT WILL NOT LIMIT THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. IT CORRECT? >> IT WON'T BLOCK THE U GARBAGE TRUCKS, SANITATION VEHICLES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> GREAT. I SEE IN THE PLAN THAT IT STATES THAT IT CAN ACCOMMODATE AN AMBULANCE, THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT AN AMBULANCE THERE, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT NOW, MEDIC 1 AND MEDIC 2, THEY RUN BOTH OUT OF CENTRAL STATION. >> BUT THE WHOLE IDEA WOULD BE THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IF NOT PERMANENT, AT LEAST ON BUSY WEEKENDS, SUMMERTIME, THINGS LIKE THAT. >> IN YOUR CONSTRUCTION, WELL, NEVER MIND, YOU HAVE 150,000 IN THERE FOR A. I WAS GOING TO SAY, IS THERE SOME EQUIPMENT THAT YOU NEED TO PURE ALWAYS BE FN SHIPS. >> YEAH, I KNOW. BUT I MEANT LIKE SPECIFIC FIRE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO MINERS AS A PART OF THE BUILDOUT. >> I MEAN, HERE'S THAT SPECIFIC AT AT THIS, [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE AN ASK AND WE KNOW THAT WE CAN'T CASHFLOW THIS. I IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO A BOND PROGRAM. I I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT YOU NEED TO OUTFIT IT. SURE. >> BEFORE BOB, I KNOW BOB WANT TO SPEAK, BRIAN, EXPAND ON THIS BOND. >> TELL ME ME A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. THIS IS NOT ONE THAT WE NECESSARILY HAVE PROGRAM THAT COULD BE DONE WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN COST TO THE CITIZENS. THE CITIZENS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO BASICALLY TAX THEMSELVES FOR THIS FIRE STATION. >> WHEN DO YOU SEE THAT COMING FORWARD? >> I'D LIKE TO DO THESE IN NOVEMBER. THAT'S WHY IT'S ON HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AUGUST WE HAVE AN AUGUST DEADLINE TO PLACE IT ON THE BALLOT. THERE'S SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE NOVEMBER BALLOT INCLUDES A WHOLE HOST OF TAX AMENDMENTS, [03:20:03] WHICH IS GOING TO BRING OUT AN ANTI TAX GROUP, HOWEVER, I THINK FOR THE VIRTUE OF A FIRE STATION IN THE ABILITY OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS. I'VE NEVER UNDERESTIMATED THEM AND THEIR ABILITY TO GO OUT AND SPEAK TO THE CITIZENS AND CONJURE SUPPORT FOR THIS STUFF. I THINK IT'S WORTH DOING. >> BRIAN, HOW MUCH INCREASE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> [INAUDIBLE] GAVE YOU SOME ROUGH NUMBERS EARLIER ABOUT WHAT IT IS ABOUT PER MILLION. IT'S A SEVEN A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. [INAUDIBLE] STILL HERE. >> COME FORWARD, [INAUDIBLE] >> WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS THE FIRST TRANCHE WOULD BE MAYBE 30 MILLION, BUT OF THAT, THE 7.5 MILLION WOULD BE THE FIRE STATION. THE DEBT OBLIGATION RELATED TO THE 30 MILLION IS 2.4 MILLION. GIVE OR TAKE, IT'S LIKE $800,000 TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE FIRE STATION ANNUALLY. >> YOU THINK ABOUT BRINGING THIS FORWARD ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. >> YOU'RE GOING TO COMBINE THIS WITH THE MELON OVERLAY? >> THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO YOU. TWO SEPARATE. I WOULD BE A SEPARATE ITEM. >> WELL, I MEAN, LOOK AT THE COUNTY THE COUNTY BOND PACKAGE, ANYTHING FOR THE COUNTY THAT WAS THEIR FACILITY, GOT VOTED DOWN, BUT ANYTHING THAT WAS A PUBLIC SERVICE GOT VOTED UP SO YOU COULD TELL WHAT PEOPLE SENTIMENT IS IN TERMS OF SUFFER. >> I THINK IT'S BETTER TO BREAK IT UP. I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, MONCLE 571 HAS AGREED TO STEP UP AND HELP US MARKET THIS. THEY CAN CERTAINLY WE CAN ONLY INFORM THEY CAN LOBBY. >> WE CAN WE CAN. WE CAN'T. >> AS A CAUTION, IT WILL BE NECESSARY BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE DID MAKE CHANGES AND ANYTHING THAT FAILS CAN'T COME BACK FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. >> THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER AS WE TAKE. >> YOU DON'T HAVE FIVE YEARS LEFT IN THE STATION. >> VERY GOOD. ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BOB. >> NO, I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THIS FLOOR PLAN JUST A MINUTE. THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE GROUND LEVEL. WE DON'T HAVE A FLOOR PLAN OF THE UPPER LEVEL. THE LEVEL IS FOUR TIMES S. >> THIS IS JUST TO SEE IF IT WOULD FIT AT ALL. THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WE END UP WITH COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THIS. THIS WAS JUST MY STUDY. SEVERAL STUDIES TO SEE IF WE CAN FIT IT ON THE SITE. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THREE BAYS. >> THREE BAYS AND OPERATE ACCESS IN IT. ON THE GROUND FLOOR. A LITTLE BIT OF SUPPORT. BUT IN ALL THE FACILITIES,. >> THE TWILIGHTS, THE HOUSING. >> WELL, YES TO BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. >> IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THE. >> BUT THAT'S JUST ON SPACE. >> THAT'S NOT SHOWING THE REST OF THE BUILD OUT BECAUSE THE SECOND FOUR IS 808,833 SQUARE FEET. 42000. >> THAT'S RIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S OVERHANGS ON EACH SIDE OF TRUCK HANGS ON THERE'LL BE SOME COVERED AREAS FOR THE TRUCKS TO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.. >> THE SECOND FOUR PLAN IS NOT YET COMPLETE HERE. >> NO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE A FIRM TO DO THE WORK. THIS IS DUDLEY JUST MAKING SURE THAT IT FITS ON THE SITE. >> THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY IS THAT THESE FOUR PLANS. >> I COULDN'T FIND SUITABLE OTHER SITE. I GO TO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK? WILL IT WORK? I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL WE COULD FIT IT ON THE SITE. BUT BY TAKING THE ALLEY, THEN I'M COMFORTABLE THAT I'LL HAVE ENOUGH MANEUVERING ROOM. >> THESE ARE PULLED THROUGH BAYS, WHICH I'LL TELL YOU THEY'RE PULLED THROUGH BAYS AT ONE, BUT THEY DON'T EVER PULL THROUGH, THEY BACK IN. THAT'S CORRECT. >> YOU'VE FIGURED OUT WITH THIS ANALYSIS THAT YOU'VE GOT 8,800 SQUARE FEET OF SECOND FLOOR BASED THE PROGRAM? THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO GET INTO WHAT FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS. >> WANT TO MOVE TO HERE'S THE SAME NOTES ON BOTH SHEETS? THIS IS 8,800 SQUARE FEET TOTAL. >> THAT'S TOTAL. >> THAT'S ONE. I WAS TRYING TO THINK I SURELY DIDN'T PUT 8,800 FEET FOR HOUSING. THAT WOULD BE BIGGER THAN PLAY STATION. >> THE SECOND FLOOR WILL OVERHANG THE DRIVEWAYS ON BOTH SIDES. YES. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME NOW. >> IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT AT 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE ARM IN THE KITCHEN ON THE PAY ROOM. WE'VE THAT. >> THAT MAKES MORE SENSE NOW. >> AT THE MOMENT, WE'RE EXPERIENCING VERY LITTLE CONFLATION. HOW LONG THAT LAST, WE DON'T KNOW. I'M ASSUMED AT ONE POINT, DOING SOME PROJECTIONS THAT IF WE WANT TO AVERAGE 3% A YEAR, IF WE HAVE TO PUT THIS OFF TWO OR THREE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOME EXPENSE. I FIGURED THAT INTO THIS FIGURE. [03:25:03] BUT, HISTORY HAS TAUGHT US IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CAN SPIKE IT AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A HORRIBLE INFLATION. THE SOONER WE GET IT DONE, THE BETTER, THE SOONER WE GET IT BIT OUT, THE SOONER WE GET IT COMMITTED. >> FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, THIS STATION'S BEEN ON MY BUCKET LIST SINCE I GOT HERE, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GET DONE FOR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? >> WE SEE AN UPDATE ON THIS ONE WILL WE SEE AN UPDATE? >> ACTUALLY, WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO IS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK IN JULY TO PUT TOGETHER AND DISCUSS THE COMPLETE POND PACKAGE, WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ACTION DATE IN AUGUST AUGUST TO GET IT ON IN. BY AUGUST 18, TO APPROVE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE AND GET IT ON THE BALLOT. >> GOOD. >> THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE YOUR CHARTER DISCUSSIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO ANYTHING THERE, BUT I STAY OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, BUT THIS ONE IS IMPERATIVE FOR US. >> I'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH BONDS GO ON IN NOVEMBER AND A CHARTER RAS BE ON A SEPARATE. >> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY A VERY WISE MOVE. >> NO HAVING A CHARTER ON NOVEMBER. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THANK YOU GUYS TO CONSIDERATION. WELCOME. THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> CHIEF, YOU'LL ALWAYS BE MIKEY TO ME. SORRY. >> VERY GOOD. WE HAVE TWO GUESTS HERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO CALL UP. 02 ITEMS. WE'VE GOT ITEM J. I KNOW CLAIRE HAS BEEN SITTING WAITING TO TALK ON THAT. WE HAVE ITEM K THAT WE HAVE MARIE RANDOM HERE ON THAT. LADIES, DOES IT MATTER DO EITHER ONE OF YOU NEED TO LEAVE IMMEDIATELY? MARIE YOU DO? LET'S READ ITEM THREE K, PLEASE, MA'AM. [3.K Ex-Officio Update for Arts and Historic Preservation Advisory Board (AHPB) and Update from Staff on AHP Overage Funds (Porretto/Finklea - 15 min)] >> ITEM THREE K. EX OFFICIAL DATE FOR ARCH ANDTON HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD. A UPDATE FROM STAFF ON AHP OVERAGE FUNDS. >> I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, MARIE M BRANHAM, TO JOIN US AT THE TABLE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ALEX. >> I'D LIKE TO START JUST WITH THIS UPDATE. >> THE MORE PRESSING THING IS WE HAVE ABOUT NINE ORGANIZATIONS IN THE LIST OF THE APPLICANTS WHO FOR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE BOARD OF THE CITY HAS NOT RECEIVED THEIR FINAL TOTAL BUDGETS. NOW, SOME OF YOU ALL HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT IT, AND THIS IS WHY I'M GIVING THE UPDATE. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT HALF A MILLION IN ALLOCATIONS THAT, IF WE FOLLOWED THE ORDINANCE, WOULD NOT BE GIVEN TO THESE ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON THAT THIS OVERAGE AND SURPLUS IS BEING DISCUSSED TOO. BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO WAY PRESCRIBED IN OUR ORDINANCES, EXCEPT JUST BY THE AUTHORITY AND POWER VESTED IN US BY BEING COUNSEL PEOPLE TO GIVE THOSE FUNDS AWAY. I WOULDN'T SAY, GIVE THEM AWAY, AWARD THEM INTERIM GRANT PURPOSES, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE LARGEST FUNCTION THAT THE CITY SERVES IN TERMS OF HOT TAX WITH ALLOCATIONS TOWARDS ORGANIZATIONS. SOME OF THE BOARD DISCUSSED, CAN'T HOLD THEIR HAND, BUT THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS AND SOME OF YOU, COUNCIL PEOPLE, WHETHER IT BE A GLITCH OR WHETHER IT BE A MISUNDERSTANDING. IT'S AN ANOMALY FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WHY THE NINE ORGANIZATIONS DIDN'T HAVE THEIR FULL BUDGET. I TALKED WITH CHAIRPERSON MARIE BRANHAM, AND WE HAVE AN OPTION TO ALLOW THEM TO SEND US THEIR TOTAL BUDGET SO WE CAN DO THE CALCULATIONS, AND IT WOULD BE PROBABLY AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT THEY WOULD DO THAT FOR ARTS AND HISTORIC. I THINK WE'RE LEANING TOWARDS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE NINE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD LOSE IT. BUT MOVING FORWARD, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IDEAL TO MAKE SURE WE IRON OUT ANY OF THE MISTAKES. THE SECOND THING IS, I'VE GOT THIS UPDATE ON HERE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ASKING TO GET AN UPDATE FROM FINANCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS IS ABOUT THE SURPLUS OVERAGE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO YOU WANT TO CALL IT. >> BEFORE WE GO TO THAT SECTION OF IT, COULD I ASK SOME QUESTIONS. [03:30:06] YOU'LL NEED ON OUR JULY AGENDA TO APPROVE ALL OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. WE VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR YOU ALL TO VOTE AND APPROVE FOR THE FUNDING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR '25-'27. >> YOU WILL HAVE THOSE NINE, HOWEVER YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND FOR THAT, INCLUDED IN YOU. >> THANKS TO MAYROCK. I KNEW HE WAS HERE. I DISCUSSED WITH HIM BECAUSE IN GOING THROUGH WITH CITY COUNCIL STAFF, WAIT IN THE BACK DOOR, WE COULDN'T FIND THEM. IT WAS A BRAND NEW PROCESS TO DO THIS ONLINE FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT WAS TESTED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, AS YOU WELL KNOW. I HAVE 29 APPLICANTS, NINE DID NOT ATTACH BUDGETS. I'VE TALKED TO MOST OF WHOM CALLED ME AND THEY SWEAR THEY DID. I BELIEVE THEM. I CAN'T DISCOUNT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY OF THEY WEREN'T IN THERE. IN SPEAKING WITH MEHRAN WHAT TO DO, OF THE 9, 8 WERE PRIOR RECIPIENTS. THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO ATTACH A BUDGET. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE. BY THE WAY, I'VE RECEIVED ALL THE BUDGETS. WE ASKED HIM. >> ALL EIGHT OF THEM. >> WHEN YOU BRING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL IN JULY, YOU WILL HAVE EVALUATED THE NINE, ALSO IN. >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TWO, WHAT I'M GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LEGAL COUNSEL. >> IF I CAN SPEAK TO THAT MAYOR? >> YEAH. SURE [INAUDIBLE]. >> RON. IF YOU COULD [INAUDIBLE] IN MAYOR. >> CAREFUL. >> I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO AND I DISCUSS THIS WITH MARIE IS TO HAVE A VOTE BY THE BOARD TO ACCEPT THESE NINE OUT OF COMPLIANT ORGANIZATIONS. THEN AFTER ASSUMING A POSITIVE VOTE, THEN THEY CAN BE DISCUSSED AS THOUGH THEY WERE ANY OTHER APPLICANT. >> THAT'LL BE INCLUDED IN YOUR MOTION [INAUDIBLE] RECOMMENDATIONS IN JULY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. [INAUDIBLE] GOOD. >> MEHRAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF. >> MEHRAN JADIDI ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY, CITY OF GALVESTON, AND I MOSTLY AS PART OF MY DUTIES, OVERSEE THE TWO ART SPORTS. >> VERY GOOD. SORRY, DONALD. >> NO, PROBLEM. THE SECOND THING IS MARIE IS CONSIDERED TO BE A HOLDOVER BECAUSE SHE WAS, MY UNDERSTANDING AND SOME EXTENT THE CULTURE ARTS COMMISSION WAS TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL ABOUT CHANGES BEING MADE IN THE ORDINANCES FOR THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND CULTURE ARTS COMMISSION. SOME OF THAT STUFF HAS TAKEN A LITTLE LONGER THAN EXPECTED. BUT WHAT'S BEEN A LITTLE FRUSTRATING IS NOT GETTING AN UPDATE ABOUT THIS OVERAGE FUND. THIS LAST MEETING, WE WERE TOLD OR I GUESS WE WERE TOLD THAT THE AGENDA WAS POSTED ACCORDING TO THE OPEN MEANINGS ACT, REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL SEMANTICAL OVERLOAD. I THINK EITHER COUNSEL NEEDS TO EITHER RE UP THAT, DO WE HAVE THE BOARDS DECIDE OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO GIVE TO COUNSEL OR DOES COUNSEL DISCUSS THE CHANGES OF THE ORDINANCES OVERALL. THAT'S WHERE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE EITHER SOME CONFUSION OR FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN HAPPENING AS FAST AS SOME WOULD LIKE. BUT I THINK WE WE'RE GOING INTO THIS FUNDING CYCLE. I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF AND BURY OFF THE BOARD PEACEFULLY. WILLINGLY, AFTER WE GET SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCES TO READ BETTER WHATEVER ART UMBRELLA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TALK WE'RE GOING TO DO, BUT THINK WE NEED TO EITHER CONTINUE TO TASK OR WITH THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND GET IT DONE OR COUNSEL NEEDS TO HAVE A DECISION ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TEST THAT TO ALEX AND TO THE COMMITTEE TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER UTILIZING THE OVERAGE FUNDS, AND I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DEFINE THE OVERAGE AND THE RESERVES FOR COUNSEL SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE DIFFERENCE OR ARE THEY THE SAME THING. I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER UTILIZING SOME OF THESE OVERAGE FUNDS FOR OUR CONTRIBUTION FOR JUNETEENTH MUSEUM. [03:35:08] >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNSEL PORRETTO. THE LAST THE LAST NUMBERS THAT I HAVE FROM FINANCE ARE DATED MARCH 31ST OF 2025. FIRST, LET ME EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESERVE AND OVERAGE. RESERVE IS STATED IN THE ORDINANCE THAT OUT OF THE 6/8 OF A PENNY THAT THE ARTS DISTRICT PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD GETS, FIRST IS FUNDING FOR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. THEN 5% OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, OUR GROSSES IS TO GO INTO A RESERVE FUND, NOT TO EXCEED 15% OF OUR GROSS. >> THAT'S BECAUSE COLLECTIONS COULD COME IN HIGHER. IT'S 5% AT A MINIMUM AND COLLECTION [INAUDIBLE]. >> FIFTEEN PERCENT MAX. >> MARIE, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, I'M GOING TO ASK [INAUDIBLE] TO SPEAK TO AS WELL BECAUSE CHILE HAS DONE A DEEP DIVE, WONDERFUL PERSON THAT SHE IS, AND MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THE EXTRA DOLLARS AND CENTS OF IT. >> I'M SORRY, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO INTERRUPT A QUICK SECOND. MAYOR IT MAY BE PRUDENT TO ACTUALLY CALL ITEM 3.K, WHICH IS ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION ITEM SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IT FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR FIRST REGARDING THE COMPUTATION OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEKING. >> WE ARE ON 3.K. >> I CALLED THAT. >> WE CALLED 3.K. >> WE CALLED 3.K. NO, MARIE HAS GOT [INAUDIBLE]. >> I COULD GO BUT THINK NO, DON'T GO RIGHT NOW. >> WE'RE ON 3.K. >> I THINK OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR NEEDS TO DO THE COMPUTATION ON THE CITY SIDE, AND THEN I THINK THAT WILL BRING A LOT MORE CLARITY TO THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL. >> LET ME CALL UP THIS WONDERFUL WOMAN THAT WE'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT. YES. MY COUNCIL PERSON WILL YOU ASK YOU [INAUDIBLE]. >> BASED ON JUST GENERALLY WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM WAS, WE WORKED WITH LEGAL TO COME UP WITH A REALLY QUICK RUNDOWN SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SOME HISTORY ON WHAT HAPPENED. THE COMMITTEE AND MARIE HAVE HAD THIS PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME. THE CODE HAS HAD MANY LEAKS ALONG THE WAY. THE PARK BOARD USED TO RECEIVE AND ADMINISTER THE DISBURSEMENT OF THESE FUNDS THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 22. THEY DID IT BY WAY OF A LIABILITY ON THEIR BOOKS, WHICH IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE. BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS THEY DIDN'T BUDGET IT. THEY ACCEPTED THE CASH AND THEY PUT A LIABILITY, AND WHEN THEY ALLOCATED THE FUNDS, THEY DISPROVE THAT LIABILITY. IF YOU PULL UP A BUDGET, YOU WON'T SEE IT IN THEIR BUDGET BEFORE 2022. WHEN THE CITY TOOK IT OVER IN 23, OR I COULD SAY, WHEN THE CITY PULLED THE FUND BALANCES BACK TO THE CITY IN 2023. THE FUND BALANCE THAT WAS CALCULATED FOR THIS BOARD WAS $1.5 MILLION. THE CITY PUT ALL THE HOT IN OUR BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE THE BUDGETED ALLOCATIONS, BOTH THE FUND BALANCE COMING OVER, THE ANNUAL REVENUE AND THE EXPENDITURES. I'M ON ITEM NUMBER 3 ON THE LIST? WHEN THE $1.5 MILLION WAS CALCULATED AND PUT IN THE FUND BALANCE FOR THIS GROUP, THAT ALREADY REPRESENTED 71% OF THEIR ANNUAL REVENUES. IT WAS ALREADY WAY OVER THE 15% AT THAT POINT. THE CITY, AS I SAID, BUDGETS THESE FUNDS AS REVENUE AND EXPENDITURES IN OUR BUDGET, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT. THE 5% RESERVE IS REQUIRED BY CODE. I'VE LISTED THE CODE THERE. IT IS ANNUALLY REQUIRED. EVERY YEAR, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE AMOUNT IS 5% HAS TO GO TO THAT RESERVE FUND, WHICH MEANS THE RESERVE FUND KEEPS GROWING REGARDLESS. AS MARIE STATED, THERE IS A CAP ON THE RESERVE OF 15%. THE WAY THE LANGUAGE READS, THE RESERVE PORTION THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR ALLOCATION BY THE BOARD TO THESE PREVIOUS RECIPIENTS IS THAT 10% BETWEEN THE FIVE THAT'S REQUIRED AND THE 15 THAT CAPS IT. THERE'S A 10% ANNUALLY THAT THEY COULD ALLOCATE TO THESE GROUPS. >> BEYOND THEIR PRIMARY ALLOCATIONS? >> YES. >> MARIE ON SIX. >> I'M ON SIX. THIS PART OF THE CODE IS SILENT ON WHAT HAPPENS ON ANYTHING OVER 15%. BUT THE CHARTER SPEAKS TO THIS. THE CHARTER SAYS UNDER CHARTER ARTICLE 7, FINANCE SECTION 9 APPROPRIATIONS, [03:40:01] THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOCATE ANY FUNDS THAT GO TO FUND BALANCE THAT WEREN'T SPENT IN THE PREVIOUS YEAR. THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT BY CHARTER, CITY COUNCIL IS THE ONE THAT DETERMINES THE USE OF ANY FUNDS OVER THAT 15%. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WE STARTED WITH THE FUNDS IN 2023, THE CITY HAD APPROXIMATELY 50% SURPLUS. WHEN I TAKE OUT THAT UP TO THE CAP. TAKE OUT THAT 15%. THERE WAS ABOUT 56% SURPLUS WHEN WE TOOK OVER THE FUNDS IN 2023, AND THAT HAS GROWN TO APPROXIMATELY 106%. NOW IT'S DUE TO INTEREST AND CONSERVATIVE BUDGETING, WHICH IS GREAT. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. THE FIRST BOX IS A 25 BUDGET OF THAT 68 PEN. WE BUDGETED REVENUE OF 2,475,000. THE 5% RESERVE ON THAT IS 123,000. CULTURAL ARTS CONTRACTS ARE REQUIRED TO BE 250,000, AND THE PRESERVATION CONTRACTS ARE BUDGETED AT 1.8 MILLION. SALARY REIMBURSEMENTS AT 107. WHAT THAT MEANS IS ABOVE THAT, THERE'S STILL A BALANCE OF 170,000. WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 25, THAT 123 FROM THE 5% RESERVE AND THAT 170 BALANCE WILL ROLL TO FUND BALANCE. WE'RE ADDING TO THAT BALANCE RIGHT NOW TO RESERVE AND SURPLUS. >> MY QUESTION THOUGH, IS, WHAT'S THE TOTAL IN YOUR OVERREACH FUND BALANCE. >> IT'S LIKE 2.9 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. THAT'S AT THE VERY BOTTOM. >> SORRY. >> JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT GOT HERE. THE MIDDLE SECTION IS PARK BOARD, 2019-2022, AND THERE'S BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS [INAUDIBLE]. >> IN 21 AND 22, YOU'LL SEE THE 42% INCREASE AND THE 30% INCREASE. THEY GOT A WINDFALL AND DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN FOR IT. THEN WE ENDED UP MOVING IT TO FUND BALANCE ON OUR END. THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENED. WE DON'T EXPECT ANOTHER WINDFALL. WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AS ONE TIME MONEY. WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO ADD THAT 5%, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO GROW THIS MUCH PERPETUALLY. YOU'LL SEE IN THE LAST BOX WHERE THE CITY TAKES BACK THE FUNCTION. WE STARTED WITH A FUND BALANCE AT 1.5 MILLION, WHICH WAS 71% OF THAT YEAR'S BUDGETED REVENUE, AND IN 2025, IT'S AT 121%. WHEN YOU TAKE OUT THAT 15%, THAT SPECIFIC TO THE GROUP THAT [INAUDIBLE] FOR 106%. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S MY SHORT HISTORY AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE. >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS THOUGH, WE HAVE A RESERVE ACCOUNT AT ARTS IN HISTORY. IT IS DELINEATED IN THE ORDINANCE, HOW THAT OPERATES. MONIES THAT ARE OVER THAT GO INTO AN OVERAGE ACCOUNT I'M CALLING AN OVERAGE. >> [INAUDIBLE] THE SURPLUS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BUT WHAT CHILE POINTED OUT. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THANKS VERY MUCH. >> CLOSE TO WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> TO ME, IN THE WAY THAT IT'S ALL WRITTEN IN THE CHARTER WITH APPROPRIATIONS AND ETC, IT IS AT THE MEETING, I SAID, UNTIL WE GOT THERE IT'S A FEATURE NOT A BUG. IF IT'S A FEATURE THAT MONEY ROLLS INTO AN OVERAGE, A SURPLUS, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY DEFINED. >> I AGREE. >> BECAUSE IT IS ESSENTIALLY LEFTOVER APPROPRIATIONS THAT GET ROLLED IN. WITH THAT BEING SAID THERE'S BEEN THOUGHTS KICKED AROUND IT'S THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. DO WE NEED TO DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION? DO WE NEED TO DO THESE OTHER FUNCTIONS? IF NOT, THEN IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CALLED THE ART ADVISORY BOARD OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT? THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING AND NOW IT'S A FEATURE. AGAIN, I THINK THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE SOME OF THESE THINGS. IT IS A ONE TIME DEAL WITH THE FUNDS. I THINK MAYBE WE CAN SIT DOWN. STAFF HAS A HAD SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK AT THIS ONE TIME CASH DEPOSIT AS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY WHETHER IT BE A JUNETEENTH MUSEUM OR NOT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE BOARD WOULD BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS AND GIVE COUNSEL RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO SO. >> I THINK DAVID WILL BE TALKING SOON, BUT JUST A COMMENT FIRST OF ALL, I THINK WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE ORDINANCE FOR ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION [03:45:02] AS COUNCIL MEMBER PERETO IS MENTIONING SO THAT WE CAN FORMALIZE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS MONEY. EXCEPT THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OVERAGE MONEY. SECOND OF ALL, CURRENTLY, ACCORDING TO CHILLA'S DESCRIPTION, THIS DROPS TO THE FUND BALANCE, AND THAT IS UNDER THE DISCRETION OF CITY COUNCIL AT THIS POINT IN TIME. DAVID. >> DAVID. >> OKAY. SO YEAH. I THINK YOU POINTED AND MAYOR, YOU SAID THERE ARE TWO REAL ISSUES HERE THAT BOTH OF THEM NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED AT LENGTH AND COVERED THE MONEY SIDE, THAT I THINK COUNSEL IS VERY CLEAR ON. THIS OTHER ONE, THE CLEANING UP OF ORDINANCES OR LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT IS, A POTENTIAL REORG OF ARTS OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. WE'VE HAD PRESENTATIONS FROM ANTOINETTE ON WHERE THIS COULD POTENTIALLY GO NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THE SMU DATA ARTS. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO START GETTING SOME DATA COLLECTION AROUND THIS. I THINK IT'S TIME TO RAMP THAT UP AND NOT JUST SIMPLY LOOK AT, AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN IN AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, BUT COME UP A LITTLE HIGHER, 30,000 FEET AND COME BACK DOWN AND THEN COME UP WITH A REORG PLAN FOR WHAT THOSE TWO ENTITIES [OVERLAPPING]. >> BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT FROM THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION STANDPOINT. IT'S AN ASK. IT'S IN THE LEADS. BUT THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION HAS ASKED THE HISTORIC BOARD TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT FROM 250,000 FOR THE PUT IN TO AN ACTUAL PERCENTAGE AMOUNT. >> CORRECT. >> IF IT'S A PERCENTAGE AMOUNT, THE MORE HOT TAX THAT WE COLLECT, THE MORE MONEY GOES INTO THE CULTURE ARTS COMMISSION AND [OVERLAPPING]. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK AND RE-EVALUATING WHAT TRUST IS YEAR AFTER YEAR. IT'S JUST A PERCENTAGE BASE. [OVERLAPPING] SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO GO FORWARD AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CREATION OF A SINGLE ENTITY. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. THEN BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CHARTER CHANGE IN WHATEVER MAY. >> THIS IS THE [INAUDIBLE], I DON'T THINK IT'S CHARTER 6. >> THIS IS ORDINANCE. >> THIS IS ORDINANCE. >> THIS IS ALL ORDINANCE [OVERLAPPING]. DISREGARD THE FIRST PART. [LAUGHTER]. >> ANYWAY, THAT'S REALLY I THINK WITH THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FROM ANTOINETTE, I THINK THIS REALLY GIVES THIS EFFORT SOME ADDITIONAL STRENGTH. >> THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE DEALT WITH BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE RESERVE QUOTE IS IN THE ORDINANCE. NOW, IT DOESN'T SAY HOW TO ACCESS IT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S IN THE CHARTER BUT EVERYBODY GETS THE ORDINANCE. I'M GOING TO PASS ON. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED RESERVE, AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN A MINUTE. THIS OTHER THAT WAS THE OVERAGE THAT CHILLA EXPLAINED, I BELIEVE, SUCCEEDLY TO ALL OF YOU, HAS NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED. IT'S NOT IN THE CHARTER, IT'S NOT IN THE CITY ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST THERE. >> IT'S JUST MONEY THAT SITS THERE. >> YEAH, IT'S THAT. [LAUGHTER] IT NEEDS TO BE. >> PERSONALLY, JUST MY $0.02, I LIKE HAVING THE MONEY CONSIDERED SOMEWHAT OF AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNSEL'S APPROVAL. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT PUTTING CONSTRAINTS ON THAT MONEY HAS TO BE USED FOR CERTAIN THINGS. >> NO. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, MEETING THE STATE JACKS CODED OUR REQUIREMENTS. >> SO WITH THAT IN MIND, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT. THE MONEY THAT CAME OVER AS A FUND BALANCE OVERAGE OR WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT A RESERVE THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THE OVERAGES AT BEACH PATROL. IN MY OPINION, IF WE CAN'T USE THAT MONEY FOR JUST GENERAL HOT PURPOSES, THEN THIS MONEY JUST BY THE VIRTUE OF IT BEING ART'S MONEY AND IT WAS ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE ARTS, SHOULD BE USED FOR ARTS AND THE SAME KIND OF PURPOSES THAT IT WAS CREATED BY. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONE CONCERN IS THAT, IF WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THE MAIN OVERAGE FUND, BUT I GUESS, IF WE CALL IT THE GENERAL HOT THAT'S BEEN ALLOCATED TOWARDS THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS THAT WAS BEACH PATROL, WE SHOULD TREAT ANYTHING LIKE THIS AS WHAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED FOR. >> DONNIE OBVIOUSLY HAS A COMP. >> WHATEVER I STAND [INAUDIBLE]. SHE'S JUST NOT STRETCHING. I THINK JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M HEARING AND WHAT I'VE HEARD IN THE PAST, AND JUST TO KIND OF MOVE THIS ALONG A LITTLE BIT FASTER. I THINK ON STAFF'S END, TWO COMMENTS I'LL MAKE IS THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT ARTS AND HISTORIC ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WHICH IS OF COURSE, THE AWARDING OF THE FUNDS TO THE ENTITIES. [03:50:03] THAT'S ON A SPECIFIC TIMELINE, THAT'S JULY AND AUGUST. I THINK COUNSEL NEEDS TO FOCUS ON THAT ISSUE WHEN THOSE ENTITIES COME BEFORE THEM AND I BELIEVE ARTS AND HISTORIC ALREADY HAS THAT ON A GOOD ROLLING FUNCTION. BUT WHAT I'M ALSO HEARING AND CLEARLY IT'S NECESSARY IS THE CLEANUP OF THE ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS THE ARTS AND HISTORIC BOARD AND HOW THEY FUNCTION, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CULTURAL ARTS AND HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FUNCTION AS WELL. WE'VE HEARD THAT. I THINK THAT WE'RE TAKING THE COMMENTS. I WANT TO IMPRESS UPON COUNSEL THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY FIX. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING BACK NEXT MONTH OR FOR JULY AND AUGUST. IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAFF AND REALLY RESEARCH AND SEE HOW WE CAN, IF IT'S ONE ORGANIZATION OR TWO, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, BUT WE'VE HEARD IT AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE STAFF FIGURE IT OUT AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS. SO POSSIBLY FOCUS ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE JULY, AUGUST FOR THIS FISCAL CYCLE, I HAVE STAFF WORK ON BRINGING SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNSEL, GIVING US SOME TIME TO WORK ON THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HEARING. >> I WOULD AGREE. I THINK WE'VE GOT IT COVERED THOUGH. >> YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL IS AWARE OF THE NINE ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN THE STATUS AND UPDATE OF THE OVERAGES AND DO WE WANT TO DECIDE OR WOULD YOU RATHER THE BOARDS DECIDE. SO THAT WAS THE GIST OF IT AND I THINK WE'RE RIGHT THERE. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SOMETHING THAT MARIE SAID SINCE THEY ALL KNEW THEY HAD TO HAND IN THEIR BUDGET EVERY YEAR. DID ANYBODY ASK A QUESTION? WHY DID WE HAVE TO PUT OUR BUDGET IN? >> WELL, I THINK THAT THE ORGANIZATIONS THOUGHT THAT THEY DID PUT THEIR BUDGET. >> THEY ALL SAID THEY PUT. >> YEAH. >> FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THE BUDGET PROPOSED IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. SO IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN THERE WAS A CURSORY OVERVIEW OF ALL THE APPLICATIONS, IT LOOKED LIKE, THERE'S THESE NINE PLEDGES THAT ARE MISSING, AND THESE ORGANIZATIONS SAID, NO, WE SUBMITTED THEM. WE DEFINITELY DO THIS EVERY YEAR. >> A LOT OF THEM SUBMITTED MARKETING BUDGETS, THIS BUDGET, THIS BUDGET. BUT THE WAY THAT THE CODE READS, IT'S BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR TOTAL BUDGET. >> RIGHT. BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. >> YEAH. >> OH, YEAH. >> SO HOW MANY OTHER ORDINANCES GOT IT IN CORRECTLY. HOW MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GOT IT 20, GOT IT CORRECTLY? >> YEAH, 20. I WOULD HAVE QUESTIONED IF IT HAD BEEN ONE OR TWO. WELL, THEY JUST DIDN'T DO IT. BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE AVERAGES OF NINE AND EIGHT BEING PRIOR RECIPIENTS, THAT YOU REALLY QUESTION, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE NEW SOFTWARE AND THE NEW, LIKE ANYTHING IN IT. I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU KNOW SOME OF IT, YOU CAN'T ALWAYS FIND [INAUDIBLE]. >> I WOULD QUESTION IT TOO IF IT WAS A NEW ORGANIZATION THAT HAD NOT FILED BEFORE AND THEY WEREN'T SURE IF THEY HAD TO TURN THEIR BUDGET IN. THESE WERE ORGANIZATIONS [OVERLAPPING]. >> HISTORICAL FOUNDATIONS. >> THAT WAS A HISTORICAL FOUNDATION [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> YEAH. YEAH, NO. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> SO WHAT STEPS ARE WE TAKING TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN? I MEAN, WE'RE TESTING THE SOFTWARE OR DOING TRAINING? >> I MEAN, THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION AND IT GOES BACK TO THE BASICS OF NOW THERE'S ANOTHER APPLICANT DOESN'T GO IN UNTIL 27. BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO, WHATEVER THE SOFTWARE IS, HOWEVER THEY DO IT AT THAT TIME, TO DO IT ONLINE AND SUBMIT A HARD COPY. [LAUGHTER] I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WHEN YOU'VE GOT IT IN PAPER. >> CAN WE DO SOME TRAINING? THE APPLICANTS [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT'S LIKE ANYTHING GOING IN AND YOU PUT IT IN ONLINE. >> IT'S JUST A DOUBLE CHECK PROCEDURE. >> YEAH. >> THE PAPER AND ONLINE. >> YEAH. >> I MEAN, YEAH. >> IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK HAS BEEN KICKED AROUND. IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR THE BOARD AND IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T VALUE YOUR WORK. BUT MAYBE THE CALCULATIONS AND THE CHECKLIST STUFF IS DONE BY STAFF AT SOME LEVEL, THAT WAY IT'S EASIER ON THE BOARD TO MAKE THE DECISIONS. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DISCUSS. >> WELL, AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. COUNSEL, PART OF IT AND WE GOT LIKE THIS. THEN BY THE TIME YOU GO THROUGH THEM AND THEN IT'S A MONTH, WE DON'T GET THEM UNTIL APRIL, MAY COME IN TO FIND, OKAY, THERE'S THESE BUDGETS MISSING AND IT'S AFTER THE FACT, BECAUSE THE DEADLINE IS MARCH 15. SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU MOVE THE DEADLINE TO MARCH 31ST. IT'S STILL AN INTERNAL ISSUE AND I'M NOT FAR FROM AN IT EXPERT, BUT I THINK IT'S HAVING THAT JUST AS COUNSEL PRETA SUGGESTS, [03:55:03] THAT SECOND SET OF EYES. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT, I SAID IT. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SENT SOMETHING AND IT WASN'T COMPLETED AT THE OTHER END. >> IS IT WORTHWHILE TESTING THE SOFTWARE? >> THAT WE TESTED THE SOFTWARE BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO THE VOLUME AND YOU KNOW ALL OF. >> THERE'S A CHECKLIST OF IT AND I HEARD THREE DIFFERENT EXCUSES FROM FOUR DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. WHATEVER IT IS, WE'LL ADDRESS IT, WE'LL FIX IT AND THEN MOVING FORWARD, WE REALLY DO NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND VERY, I THINK FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE TO THE T. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK AND THAT'S IN TWO YEARS. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. >> I THINK. >> REQUIRE PAPER. >> AGAIN, THAT CAN BE DECIDED IN TWO YEARS FROM THIS MAN. >> YEAH. SOME OF THEM HAVE BUT, IT'LL GIVE YOU A PDF OF WHAT YOU SUBMITTED AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH IT YOURSELF. IF IT'S IN THERE AND IT DOESN'T EXIST AT THE CITY SECRETARY LEVEL FROM THE SOFTWARE SIDE, THEN THERE'S THE DISCREPANCY BUT THAT'S AN EASY THING TO FIX. THERE'S NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. I'M SURE IT'S EASY THAT WE CAN ALL. >> I WANT TO SAY THAT THE STAFF WORKED ON IT, I MEAN, FOR A LONG TIME AND JUST YOU ONLY KNOW UNTIL YOU USE THE SYSTEM. THAT'S IT. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST. >> WE HAVE TWO ISSUES HERE. THE COMMITTEE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN JULY. >> YES, THERE IS. >> SECOND OF ALL, WHAT DONNIE SAID, THE OTHER ISSUES OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE CULTURAL ARTS IN THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, AND ALSO THE OVERAGE MONEY AND HOW THAT MAY BE UTILIZED, YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH STAFF ON THAT TO BRING BACK TO A COUNSEL AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THE SOONER THE BETTER SO WE [LAUGHTER] CAN PUT IT ALL TO BED. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I MEAN, HONESTLY, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU ALL KNOW. THIS HAS BEEN A LABOR BUT A LABOR OF LOVE FOR ME BECAUSE I WANT IT SIMPLE FOR OBVIOUSLY FOR COUNSEL ON THAT. BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY AND THE APPLICANTS UTILIZING THE HOT TAX. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DIGRESS ON ONE THING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RESERVE. RESERVE, WHAT IS IT USED FOR? WELL, A NATURAL DISASTER. WE WENT THROUGH COVID. WHEN WE WENT THROUGH COVID AND EVERYTHING WAS SHUT DOWN. OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO HOT TAX THAT CAME IN, ESPECIALLY FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. WITH THE APPROVAL OF CITY COUNSEL, OUR BOARD TOOK IT TO COUNSEL THAT INSTEAD OF RETURNING ANY FUNDS THAT WERE NOT UTILIZED BY THE END OF THE FISCAL CALENDAR YEAR, THAT THEY COULD HOLD OVER. THIS WAS DONE TWO YEARS IN A ROW. SO THIS WAS HONESTLY, WHAT DO YOU NEED RESERVES FOR? SO WITH THAT, AT THE END WHEN GALVESTON OPENED UP AS DID THE REST OF THE COUNTRY, AS YOU WELL KNOW, EVERYBODY IN THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR KNEW THAT THIS WAS IN OUR BACKYARD AND WE DID WONDERFUL. SO THE MONEY ACCUMULATED THEN, THE RECIPIENTS NEVER LOST ANY MONEY. THEY ALREADY HAD MONEY IN THEIR ACCOUNT, KNOWING ADVERTISING YOU'VE GOT TO DO MONTHS IN ADVANCE. THEY COULDN'T PLAN MONTHS IN ADVANCE IN MARCH AND APRIL. SO WITH Y'ALL'S APPROVAL, IT WORKED OUT AND THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP GOING. SO THAT AGAIN, IT HELPS THEM BUT IT ALSO HELPS OUR RESIDENTS AS CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. >> VERY WELL SAID. THANK YOU MARIE. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME GO EARLY. >> SURELY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> FINE EARLY. YES, MA'AM. >> DO WHAT? >> DEFINE EARLY. >> [INAUDIBLE] I FIGURED I'D BE HERE TILL FIVE. [LAUGHTER]. >> YOU HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES. >> JUST BEFORE YOU LEAVE AND JUST TO FALL ON THE EARS OF COUNSEL HERE, LOOKING AT THAT MONEY, THEN THAT COULD BE SOME FUNDS TO HELP WITH THAT JUNETEENTH PLANNING, COORDINATING, DOING INFRASTRUCTURE, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS MENTIONED. >> I WANT TO REASSURE YOU, IT IS IN MY MIND, MY THOUGHTS. OBVIOUSLY, THE CRITERIA IS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATE TAX CODE AND THEN THE CITY ORDINANCE FOR THE USE OF THE HOT FUNDS. I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S THE BIBLE. I THINK THAT WE COULD, AS THEY SAY, DO CREATIVE ACCOUNTING. YOU NEVER HEARD OF THIS? [LAUGHTER] >> THE EXTRA, THE OVERAGE. I THOUGHT I HEARD [INAUDIBLE] IF I HEARD IT CORRECTLY. CITY COUNSEL HAS. >> AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, THAT IS GOING TO BE AT THE PURVIEW OF COUNSEL. >> YES. YES. >> I'M JUST ASKING [OVERLAPPING]. >> IS THAT RESTRICTED FUNDS UNDER [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT'S GOING TO BE RESTRICTED TO HOT. >> OKAY. THAT'S. >> THAT'S HOT MONEY. >> I KNOW, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE INTERESTS. I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT WAYS [LAUGHTER]. >> EVEN INTEREST [OVERLAPPING]. [04:00:02] >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, MARIE. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO 3J, PLEASE, MA'AM. [3.J Discussion and Update of Activities of the Short Term Rental Committee and Recommendations on Parking Regulations (B Brown/C Brown - 30)] >> OKAY. ITEM 3J. DISCUSSION AND UPDATE OF ACTIVITIES OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON PARKING REGULATIONS. [BACKGROUND]. >> I WANT TO BITE TO THE TABLE, CLARA RASER, WHO IS CHAIRMAN OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE. >> CO-CHAIR. >> OUR CO-CHAIR, DAVID BLOOM. HOW ARE YOU, DAVID. >> GOOD SIR. >> BOB, WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE THE TOPIC. >> YEAH. >> OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, CITY COUNSEL'S DESIRES TO FOCUS ON PARKING AND GET SOMETHING TO BRING BACK ON THIS DATE TO THIS MEETING. SINCE THAT MEETING, THE SHORT-TERM RAIL COMMITTEE HAS MET THREE TIMES TO WORK ON THAT. OUR LAST MEETING, WE DID REVIEW SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL PARKING AND DELIVER THOSE TO CITY PLANNING AND LEGAL FOR THEIR REVIEW. BUT WE REALIZED THAT TO REVISE AN ORDINANCE IS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THAT TAKES A LONG TIME. YOU GOT TO GO FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE TO STAFF AND THEN BACK TO SHORT-TERM REAL COMMITTEE THEN TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN AND THEN ON TO CITY COUNSEL. THAT TAKES A LONG TIME. BUT IN ORDER TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THIS, THE STR COMMITTEE PASSED THREE RESOLUTIONS TO HELP ADDRESS THIS IN THE SHORTER TERM. I'M GOING TO LET CLAIRE AND DAVID TAKE IT FROM HERE. >> THESE ARE THE RESOLUTIONS. I'LL PASS THEM AROUND. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. YES, OF COURSE. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS COMMISSION, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON IT. WE HAVE DOMINIQUE BROWN, DEBORAH BERKELEY, CHILLA LISTON, MYSELF, DAVID BLOOM, JOSEPH SPENCER, AND TED SHOOK, WE'RE THE VOTING MEMBERS. WE HAVE FOUR EXPERTS, ROBERT ZONE FROM THE GALVESTON ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS, CHRISTINE BRYANT FROM VISION GALVESTON, CHRIS LANE FROM STROVE, AND LIZ OVERTON FROM GARD. AS BOB SAID, WE MET THREE TIMES JUST TALKING ABOUT PARKING. BEFORE THAT, AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO AN UPDATE ON DAVID COUNSEL. >> YOU ALSO HAD COUNSEL PEOPLE. >> I'M SORRY. WE DID HAVE COUNSEL PEOPLE. COUNSEL MEMBER ALEX PERETO AND COUNSEL MEMBER MARIE ROB. I THINK BOB AND DAVID ALSO. COUNSEL MEMBER ROLLINS AND COUNSEL MEMBER FINKLEY. >> THESE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN PULL HOUSE BACK HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN. >> WE GET A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS. AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE ASSIGNED THE ISSUE OF DEALING WITH PARKING, WE WERE GETTING READY TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE COULD BETTER MANAGE OUR STRUCTURE OF GOING AFTER THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PARKING THAT THE COMMITTEE IS GRAPPLING WITH. AS WE TRIED TO UNTANGLE IT AND GET JUST DOWN TO PARKING, IT BECAME VERY, VERY COMPLEX. AS WE LEARNED FROM TIM TEGIN SITS IN, AND ALSO SHI SITS IN. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE LEGAL AND WE HAVE PLANNING WITH US ALSO. WE CAME UP WITH THREE. WE CAME UP WITH A SHORT-TERM RECOMMENDATION AND TWO SHORT-TERM AND ONE LONG-TERM. LET ME GO OVER EACH OF THEM BRIEFLY, AND THEN LET'S TAKE QUESTIONS, AND DAVID, I CAN ANSWER, AND WE ALSO HAVE FIS OUT THERE, TOO, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. FOR THE SHORT-TERM ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WITH PARKING, WHEN THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE, WE SUGGESTED, AND THIS IS WITH NOTHING ELSE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON THIS. WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS OF THE CITY. WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE RESTRAINTS OF THE CALL CENTER AND WHERE PEOPLE WOULD CALL FOR HELP, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING, TAKE SOME OF OUR FUNDS FROM THE STR REGISTRATION. YOU CAN PUT SOME PEOPLE INTO PATROL CARS RESPONDING TO A COMPLAINT. RESPONDING TO A COMPLAINT IS KEY. THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DRIVE 32 MILES OF THIS ISLAND LOOKING FOR PARKING VIOLATIONS, AND ASSUME THAT IT IS STR-RELATED. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED FROM PEOPLE COMING TO COMMENT AT THE MEETINGS IS THAT A LOT OF THE PARKING ISSUES, AND I'M SURE THAT CITY STAFF KNOWS ABOUT THIS. THEY COME FROM RESIDENTS. >> THAT WAS INTERCITY, THEN THAT WAS. >> TRUE. IT'S A LOT OF RESIDENTS, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE HOLE ISLAND, NOT JUST THE WEST END. WE'RE DEALING WITH THE HOLE ISLAND IS WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS COMPLEX TO DO. I WILL POINT OUT THAT IN SIX WEEKS, WE'RE DONE WITH HIGH SEASON WHEN IT COMES TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BECAUSE SCHOOLS BACK IN SESSION BY AUGUST 11, [04:05:01] IN THE HOUSTON AREA SCHOOLS. THAT'S HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE DEALING WITH, AND WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO STAND UP ANY PROGRAM AT THE CITY. NOT THROUGH ANY FAULT AT THE CITY, IT JUST TAKES TIME TO FIGURE THIS STUFF OUT. ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RECOMMENDATION IS EDUCATION. WE FEEL LIKE PEOPLE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE TO HELP THEM. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT THIS. THESE ARE ON WEBSITES, JUST PASS THEM AROUND. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ASKED IN THE PAST. ANYBODY WHO HAS AN STR, PLEASE PUT THIS IN YOUR STR. IT TALKS ABOUT HOW TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THE ORIGINAL VERSION WAS DONE BY STROKE MANY YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS PART OF OUR ORDINANCE, AND THEN IT WAS UPDATED BY ACTUALLY LIZ, MYSELF, AND MARIE. WE WORKED ON IT WITH MCKENZIE, WAS THEN THE PARK BOARD, MCKENZIE BINKLEY, AND WE WORKED ON UPDATING THIS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT APPLICANTS TO THE STR REGISTRATION C, ANYBODY GOING TO THE WEBSITE C. I ONLY SEE IT ONCE. THIS IS THE KIND OF THING, AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE AT THIS TABLE WOULD AGREE, YOU HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER WHAT THE RULES ARE. THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE DEVELOPED AT THE PARK BOARD. IT'S FOR ANYBODY DECIDING THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A VACATION RENTAL. IT'S JUST MORE COLLATERAL THAT WE HAVE UP THERE. OUR ORIGINAL IDEA WAS, EVERY REAL TOWN SHOULD HAVE THIS, EVERY COFFEE SHOPPING TOWN SHOULD HAVE THIS, ANYWHERE THAT PEOPLE MAY BE AND THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT IN ETR, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT EDUCATION IS KEY. WE CAME UP WITH A LIST. I WILL NOT BURDEN WITH YOU WITH IT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS ON LOW-COST IDEAS FOR GETTING EDUCATION, GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO STR OPERATORS. THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH CITY STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THE THIRD ONE IS LONG TERM, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT GETS DOWN TO, AS WE STARTED DIGGING INTO PARKING, IT BECAME OBVIOUS AS AND WE HAVE THE SAME THING HAPPEN IN OUR MEETINGS, EITHER TEMPGENS OR ASSOCIATES STANDS UP, AND THEY SAY, STOP A MINUTE. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER. IT'S THIS LAW. IT'S THIS RULE. IT'S THIS ORDINANCE. IT'S THIS ABOUT STATE LAW. IT'S THIS ABOUT ZONING. WE REALIZE WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE AT THAT TABLE. TO DEVISE A PLAN FOR PARKING FOR STRS AROUND THE ISLAND. IT'S JUST NOT OUR EXPERTISE. WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT COUNSEL DIRECT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO PREPARE, AND THIS, I'M JUST GOING TO READ IT NOW, A REGULATORY AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT STR REGULATIONS, INCLUDING LDRS, CHAPTER 19, USING THE DRAFT SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO COUNSEL AS A GUIDE. CAN BRING IT BACK TO COMMITTEE. WE WILL GO THROUGH IT. WE WILL GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. PROBABLY, I'M THINKING IT COMES TO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ORDER IS, BUT SASHA AND TIM WILL HELP US WITH THAT IF IT GOES BACK TO PLANNING FIRST, OR IF IT'S LEGAL, I'M SURE IT'S BOTH, AND THEN COMES BACK TO THE COMMITTEE. THEN FINALLY, TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT WE FEEL LIKE THE BEST WAY FORWARD AND THE WAY TO STRUCTURE THE WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE AND TO DO IT AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE TO WORK OFF THE STRUCTURE OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. WE THINK IT IS, SEVERAL OF US ON THE COMMITTEE THINK IT'S WORKABLE. THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE. THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME THINGS TO TWEAK IN THERE, SOME THINGS TO ADD. WE THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD RATHER THAN TAKING ONE PIECE AT A TIME. THEY'RE ALSO INTERCONNECTED. >> MAUREEN. >> WELL, ONE THING I'M GOING TO REITERATE, AGAIN, SINCE WE HAVE THE BRUNT OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN DISTRICT 6, IS WE CAN'T MAKE THE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE SEASON, AND WE KNOW IT REALLY KICKS OFF ON JULY 4. REALLY OUT THERE, IT DOESN'T END AT LABOR DAY. IT GOES THROUGH OTHER EVENT THERE IS ON THE ISLAND THAT WE HAVE TO EITHER TAKE THE EXISTING PARKING ORDINANCE AND EXPAND IT OR COME UP WITH SOMETHING IN THE INTERIM. THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE ISSUES THAT THEY'RE LIVING WITH NOW ON A WEEKEND EVERY WEEKEND BASIS. >> DAVID. >> CLAIRE, I'D LIKE TO FIRST OFF APPLAUD YOU, DAVID, AND ALL INDIVIDUAL ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE TIRELESS EFFORTS THAT YOU'VE PUT IN ON THIS. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> WHEN WE STARTED THIS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO OR WHATEVER. >> TWENTY YEARS AGO. >> WE KNEW THAT THERE GOING TO BE SOME ISSUES. [04:10:01] WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE EVOLVING ON YOUR FIRST SHORT-TERM ISSUE TO ALLOCATE ADEQUATE MARSHAL ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S JUST A RESOURCE ASK, IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT'S A RESOURCE POLICY. IT'S A LOT OF RESOURCES. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT. >> FINANCE AND PERSONNEL. >> SURE. >> INCLUDING PERSONNEL OUT THERE IS ONE, BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO ENFORCE? >> THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> THAT WAS OUR QUESTION. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT ABSENT CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE PARKING IS CURRENTLY AS WRITTEN IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IS UNENFORCEABLE. >> WE HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS, DON'T WE? >> WE HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS ON PART OF THE ISLAND. >> YOU PLEASE CLARIFY THAT IT'S ON PART OF THE ISLAND. >> TIMES DIRECTOR OF SERVICES. WE DO HAVE SOME REGULATIONS, BUT THEY RELATE TO R3. >> THOSE R3. >> CORRECT. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LDR PROVISIONS. NOW, THERE ARE SOME GENERAL RULES IN CHAPTER 19, BUT THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. >> WELL, THE RULES DON'T TERM THIS. THE RULE THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE OVER TWO BEDROOMS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT OFF STREET. DOES THAT APPLY TO THE HOLE ISLAND? >> NO. THAT'S JUST R3. >> WHAT AREA THAT'S NOT NOTHING ON THE WEST END? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S BASICALLY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. OF COURSE, THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WOULD CHANGE AND ALTER THAT AS RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK WITH ISLAND WIDE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD APPLY TO SPECIFIC ZONES. WE HAVEN'T GOT AS FAR AS DRAFTING ANYTHING YET, BUT I THINK THE OVERALL METHOD OF THIS WAS TO KEEP IT HIGH LEVEL FOR NOW AND THEN GET INTO THE LONGER TERM STUFF HERE LATER THIS SUMMER AND FALL. >> THAT'S GOOD. CLAIRE, A QUESTION, FOLLOW UP ON YOUR EDUCATION. I THINK THAT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT. IT'S VERY EASY TO ACCOMMODATE. IT'S MORE OF A MARKETING ADVERTISING PIECE THAT HELPS PROVIDE EDUCATION. >> CHILLA IS STILL HERE, BUT WE WOULD NEED HELP FROM THE DECKER TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE A LOT OF THAT HAPPEN. >> THEN ON MOTION 3, PREPARE A REGULATORY AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT SODA REGULATIONS. DID I HEAR YOU THAT YOU WANTED US TO ADOPT IT AND THEN SEND IT BACK TO ALL FOR REVISION? OR YOU WANTED US JUST TO COMMENT. >> NO, WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR YOU ALL HAVE THE FINAL SAY OF COURSE, BUT WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR IS THAT WE HAVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR SIX FULL HOURS. I KNOW THAT PLANNING HAS THOSE NOTES. WE HAVE THE NOTES AND THAT THEY WOULD DRAFT SOMETHING, COME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH IT. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE EXPERTS, AND THEN WE WOULD DISCUSS IT AND COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. >> WHAT'S YOUR TIME FRAME FOR COMING BACK TO COUNSEL? >> I WILL ASK HIM FOR HELP WITH THAT, BUT I BELIEVE HE SAID HE COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO US BY AUGUST AND AUGUST MEETING. >> THERE'S THE TWEAKING OF DON'S DRAFT. THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TOSSED OVER WITH. >> THERE'S MANY OTHER ELEMENTS TO IT. BUT AS TO THE REGULATORY SIDE, TWEAKING OF THAT ORDINANCE, WE THINK WE CAN HAVE A DRAFT SOMETIME PROBABLY IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME AND THEN TWEAKING IT SHORTLY THEREAFTER. >> WE SEE SOMETHING OCTOBER ISH? >> PROBABLY ABOUT THEN. >> ALL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE SENT YOU SO FAR ARE SPECIFIC TO PARKING. THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OTHER PARTS OF THAT ORDINANCE THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON. >> WE WOULD START WITH THE ORDINANCE. THE FRAMEWORK OF THE ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED, IT WOULD GIVE US THE FRAMEWORK TO DO THAT WORK. DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? >> JUST 1 SECOND. 149 COUNCILMAN FINKLEY HAS LEFT THE MEETING. HE WILL BE GONE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. WILL BE BACK HERE SHORTLY. WE HAVE MARIE AND THEN BOB. >> WELL, JUST TO CLARIFY A MIS COMMUNICATION, WHATNOT AT THE TABLE. COUNSEL CAN DRAFT AN ORDINANCE. WE CAN PUT IT ON DISCUSSION, AND WE CAN PASS IT. AN ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING. JUST SO THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE. >> WELL, IF IT CHANGES THE LDR. >> LDRS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT AN ORDINANCE ON PARKING COULD BE DONE. >> I THINK YOU'RE GETTING TO THE CHAPTER 19 ASPECT OF THIS, YES. [04:15:02] THAT'S THAT'S DIRECTLY THROUGH COUNSEL. THE LDR REVISIONS WOULD, OF COURSE, HAD TO GO TOO. >> HAVE TO GO TO PLANNING, BUT THE CHAPTER 19 COULD BE DONE AT COUNSEL. >> BUT AT THE SAME TIME, JUST BEAR IN MIND, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE CONFLICTING ORDINANCES EITHER. >> I AGREE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GET SOMETHING DONE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH A NUMBER OF WHAT THEY'RE LIVING THROUGH NOW ON ANY GIVEN WEEKEND. >> SHARON. I'M SORRY, BO, AND THEN SHARON. >> CLAIRE, DAVID, WHAT WOULD YOU ALL TO CONSIDER LIKE THE PREMIER, THE SHOWCASE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF ESTABLISHING SOME OF THESE ORDINANCES. DO YOU ALL HAVE AN EXAMPLE OR ONE THAT'S ALL RESEARCHED AND TAGGED ON TO? LET'S SAY IT LET ME DO A LITTLE BETTER. COASTAL COMMUNITY, IN OTHER WORDS, SAN ANTONIO, THAT'S A CENTRAL TEXAS LANDLOCKED TO ME, A LOT DIFFERENT COMMUNITY THAN GUST. >> THEY HAVE A HISTORICAL DISTRICT. >> ULTIMATELY, THAT'S MAKES THEM INTEREST. >> THAT'S HELPFUL. >> THEY DON'T HAVE A BEACH, BUT DIFFERENT AREAS HAVE DIFFERENT PIECES THAT WE WANT. >> THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA. LET'S TAKE A PIECE FROM SAN ANTONIO. I THINK ANOTHER GOOD POSSIBILITY TO CHECK OUT WOULD BE NEW ORLEANS. >> BUT I THINK THAT, AS FAR AS TO CREATE INSTEAD REINVENTING THE WHEEL, TO RESEARCH THAT MIGHT GIVE US A LITTLE BIT BETTER TIME. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE TYPE OF THING, JUST TO SEE WHAT MAYBE THERE'S SOME COMMUNITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AT IT. EVEN IF WE REACHED OUT TO AIRBNB, OR REACHED OUT TO VRBO, OR ASK THEIR OPINION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT BASICALLY COLLECT ALL THIS DATA. >> THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHERS. >> I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU LISTING ANYTHING ANYWHERE, DOING WHATEVER YOU WANT AT ANY TIME. I'LL REALLY HONEST WITH YOU, VRBO IS THE BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. >> THESE ARE THINGS I DON'T KNOW. >> I JUST HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> SOME OF YOUR MODEL CITIES ARE IN OTHER STATES THAT LIVE UNDER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROVIDENCE. >> THERE'S PIECES THAT WE'VE TAKEN, AND WE'VE SUGGESTED AT THE TABLE, DAVID HAS, LIZ HAS, I HAVE, AND WE TALKED TO TIM ABOUT THIS ABOUT IDEAS FROM DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES, AND IT'S REALLY NOT ONE THAT FITS GALVESTON. IT'S MORE ABOUT PIECES THAT COULD WORK IN GALVESTON. I THINK THOUGH, AND I WILL GIVE CREDIT TO DON, HE HAS DRAFTED A GOOD FRAMEWORK FOR US TO START WITH. I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECT. HE'S SEEN MY RED LINE OF IT, BUT IT'S A GREAT STARTING POINT BECAUSE A COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE INDUSTRY AND DON'T AND WHO LIVE IN GALVESTON. WE ARE NOT THE EXPERTS IN IT. WE CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE NEED A FRAMEWORK, AND THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE WOULD DO FOR US. IT WOULD GIVE US A FRAMEWORK TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS. >> AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE AFFILIATION THAT MANAGES HOW MANY UNITS? >> ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE. >> DAVE? >> TWO. >> WHICH IS PERFECT BECAUSE YOU GET BOTH SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM. NO, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. >> WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION. >> THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IS THAT YOU HAVE A GOOD SAMPLE SECTION OF, LET'S SAY YOUR TOP FIVE ISSUES OR PROBLEMS, AND MOST LIKELY, THEY'RE PRETTY COMPARABLE TO MOST OF THE PHONE CALL COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET FROM CITIZENS. I JUST THINK THEY'RE COMPARABLE, AND I THINK THAT IT'S PERTINENT THAT IF WE TAKE SAN ANTONIO'S ISSUES WITH HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO ANSWER THOSE ISSUES, IF WE FIND A SOUTH PADRE OR CORPUS CHRISTI OR SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON THAT DEALS WITH SOME OF THE WEST-END ISSUES WITH PARKING LIKE THAT MARIE HAS TO DEAL WITH. I GUESS THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING. IT'S JUST NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL. WE CAN'T BE THE MOST UNIQUE COMMUNITY DEALING WITH THE ISSUES WE HAVE. >> TRUE. YOU'RE RIGHT. >> WE HAVE SHARON, AND THEN WE HAVE BOB AND MARIE. >> LET ME SEE IF I CAN REMEMBER. I MADE SOME NOTES, BUT WHEN WE SAY THE WEST END, WHAT STREET DOES THAT START AT? THERE IS NO STREET. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK TO, SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY 61ST, SOME SAY THE CIVIL, SOMEONE SAY 45TH. [LAUGHTER] >> SOMETHING I HEARD SOMEONE SAY ABOUT SECTIONS. I DON'T KNOW SHORT-TERM RENTAL LAWS OR RULES OR WHATEVER, [04:20:03] BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'S NOT ONE THAT WOULD FIT THE WHOLE ISLAND, BUT KNOWING THAT WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS ON THIS ISLAND AND IN SOME CITIES, SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE R3, DOES THAT FIT THE WEST END? NO. THEN HOW DO YOU? >> WELL, I COULDN'T [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, I SAW ONE HEAD SHAKE, NO. EXACTLY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AND COLLABORATE ON. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT ONE SOLUTION TO IT, BUT PARKING, I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT HAS BEEN THE MAJOR THING PARKING TRASH AND NOISE. THOSE SOUND COMMON. >> THEY ARE COMMON. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE PARKING IS VERY COMPLEX TO FIGURE OUT. >> YES. >> WE SIT AROUND GOING, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. YOU CAN GET THINGS ON THE BOOK AND ADDRESS PARKING, BUT THEN ENFORCING THAT EQUITABLY IS A WHOLE ANOTHER ISSUE. WHEN YOU MAKE PARKING DECISIONS, IT HAS RAMIFICATIONS THROUGHOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX ISSUE, PARKING IS. MARIE. >> I THINK [OVERLAPPING]. >> OH, BOB, I'M SORRY. >> THE COMMITTEE DID RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT OFF THE BAT. IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION, THE WEST END FROM THE EAST END IN TERMS OF PARKING AND IN TERMS OF A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS AND WE'VE GRAPPLED WITH THAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES ON THIS. ANOTHER THING FOR TIM, I GUESS, THE QUESTION IS, WE SAID WE CAN'T REALLY ENFORCE ANY PARKING NOW REGARDING STR IN PARTICULAR, BUT THERE IS A REGULATION AGAINST PARKING, SAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THERE'S A BUNCH OF CARS PARKED IN THE RIGHT AWAY, THEY'RE BLOCK ON THE ROAD, YOU CAN [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S REGULAR POLICE CALL. >>IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THERE ARE NO RULES THAT CAN BE ENFORCED RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE. THEY'RE JUST NOT SPECIFIC TO SHORT TERM GENERAL TO THAT. >> THE COMPLAINT DRIVEN, AND I THINK THAT WOULD ADD SOME EASE TO WHAT WE'RE ASKING BRIAN TO TRY AND PUT TOGETHER. WE DON'T NEED YEAR ROUND ENFORCEMENT FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A YEAR ROUND PROBLEM. >> THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR US IS, HOW DO WE IDENTIFY A SHORT TERM RENTAL CAR IS VERSUS A BEACH GOERS CAR VERSUS SOMEBODY VISITING A FAMILY MEMBER? >> IF THEY'RE PARKED IN THE RIGHT AWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THEY ARE [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE, BUT IF IF THEY'RE LEGALLY PARKED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S FIVE CARS ASSOCIATED WITH A HOUSE THAT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE THREE, I HAVE NO IDEA OF. >> WHAT WAS IT DISCUSSED FOR TAGGING? >> TAGGING THE CAR. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE REALLY GETTING TO THE WEEDS. WE TALKED ABOUT WOULD IT BE A PAPER PERMITTING SYSTEM? WOULD IT BE A DIGITAL APP, WOULD IT BE STICKER? WE DIDN'T GET THAT FAR BECAUSE WE GOT STUCK WITH WHAT CAN WE DO IN WHAT AREA OF TOWN. WE REALLY DID, AND WE REALLY DEFERRED TO TIM ON THOSE, AND ABOUT WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, IT IS INCREDIBLY COMPLEX, AND COMPLEX TO ENFORCE EQUITABLY. >> YOU WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE A PARKING STICKER FOR EVERY CAR ON THE ISLAND. >> EVERY CAR ON THE ISLAND. >> EVERY CAR ON THE ISLAND TO DISTINGUISH WHO LIVES, THE RESIDE AND WHO IS A SHORT TERM MEMBER. >> YOU START THE OWNER [OVERLAPPING] >> THE RE ENTRY STICKER. >> ARE YOU FINISHED, BOB? >> YES. GO AHEAD. >> ANYWAY, TO GET BACK, I'M GOING TO DO YOUR FIRST RESOLUTION, WHICH WOULD PERHAPS BE THE EASIEST RESOLUTION OR THE EASIEST THING TO ACHIEVE TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OUR CITIZENS, WHICH IS INTRIGUING TO ME AS I LOOK AT THE CITY MANAGER. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND WE TALK ABOUT THE BURDEN ON OUR CITIZENS, AND YET WE DON'T DO ANYTHING TO RELIEVE THE ON OUR CITIZENS WHEN WE COULD ADD ONE OR TWO MARSHALS FOR WEEKEND NIGHT. >> TWO ENFORCE WHAT? >> TO ENFORCE WHAT? >> I DON'T KNOW, 45 PEOPLE PARKED IN STREETS AND WHATNOT. >> ARE THEY LEGALLY PARKED? >> NO. >> WELL, IF THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY PARKED, THAT'S A CALLS [OVERLAPPING] >> I KNOW. ON A WEEKEND NOW, THERE ARE NO MARSHALS AT NIGHT. LET'S SAY THERE'S A BIG DRUG STORE [04:25:02] THAT SOLD DRUGS ON THE SEA WALL BEING BUSTED, AND THERE'S A FESTIVAL IN TOWN, AND SOMEONE CALLS FROM CHILLA AND SAYS, WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE MAKING THE WAY THEY'RE PARKED THE STREETS ARE UNSAFE. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD GET SOMEBODY DOWN THERE? IT WOULD TAKE A WHILE, AND RIGHTFULLY SO BECAUSE THAT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY TO THE POLICE, BUT THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT A PRIORITY IS. TO SAY TO ENFORCE WHAT, YOU HAVE PEOPLE SITTING ON A ROOF PLAYING REALLY LOUD MUSIC, THROWING TRASH INTO THE BAY. THAT'S BREAKING A NUMBER OF LAWS, BUT IF THERE'S A WHOLE LOT GOING ON IN TOWN, YOU'RE STILL NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> POLICE CHIEF TELLS ME, YOUR OFFICERS WEST SHOULDN'T BE HEADING INTO TOWN UNLESS IT'S JUST A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, SO THERE SHOULD BE OFFICERS THERE. >> OUR OFFICERS ARE POLICE DO A GREAT JOB, BUT WE ARE TALKING WHAT SHOULD BE HANDLED BY A MARSHAL. >> SURE. >> THERE'S PROBABLY 100 HOUSES,150 BAD PLAYERS THAT CONTINUE TO PLAY BAD, THAT CONTINUE TO ACTUALLY BUY MORE PROPERTY, AND THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO DEAL WITH, AND WE'RE GETTING NOTHING DONE. THIS IS THE THIRD SHORT TERM RENTAL GROUP THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSING THE ISSUES AND THESE GUYS HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB. I'VE SAT IN TWO OR THREE OF THEIR MEETINGS. I'M SORRY, I HAD TO MISS THE ONE THIS WEEK, BUT I HAD A CONFLICTING MEETING. BUT TO GO TO ANOTHER SUMMER AND MAKE PEOPLE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, MAYBE THE ANSWER IS THE CITY DOES A SHORT TERM CONTRACT WITH GARM SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOME PLACE TO GO WITH RENTAL ISSUES. SHE HAD NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO SAY THAT. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF IT UNTIL JUST NOW, BUT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT FINISHED CRAIG. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE MAKEUP OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE IS SHORT TERM RENTAL PEOPLE. I'VE HAD NUMEROUS CITIZENS COME HERE AND AFTER THE MEETING BEFORE LAST, THEY'RE, JUST GIVE US A SUMMARY OF WHAT HAPPENED. WE CAN'T SIT THROUGH THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY THEY JUST ARE SO FRUSTRATED. >> TO WHAT MARIE SAID, A LOT OF IT AND NOT MAKING EXCUSES OR ASSIGNING BLAME, THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS FACED IS THE LACK OF DATA. IT GOES BACK TO, SHORT OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME AND ADDRESSED US, THEY'VE ALL BEEN WILLING TO POINT OUT PROBLEMS ON THEIR STREETS. >> WE COULD PULL FROM A NON-EMERGENCY POLICE. WE COULD PULL THAT DATA. HOW MANY PARKING? YOU COULD SURVEY EACH HOMEOWNERS GROUP AND THEY COULD TELL YOU HOW MANY COMPLAINTS. >> WE HAVE SHARON AND BOB. >> I'M JUST WONDERING IF THEY HAVE THAT MANY OYSTERUS PEOPLE RENTING THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER RENT TO THEM. IF YOU HAVING PEOPLE ON TOP OF THE ROOF AND MAJOR THINGS GOING ON, WHY THE HECK ARE THEY RENTING TO THOSE PEOPLE, I WONDER. >> BECAUSE THERE'S LLC WHO DON'T GIVE A DAMN, MONEY. >> BUT IF THAT'S AND THEN THAT'S HURTING THE COMMUNITY, THEY SHOULD [OVERLAPPING] THEY SHOULDN'T RENT IT. >> THAT'S WHY MAYBE THE FASTEST THING WE COULD IMPLEMENT WOULD BE A LICENSE, AND IT'S THREE STRIKE CHILLA, WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE IS. >> THAT'S DONG'S ORDINANCE [INAUDIBLE] >> THIS I'LL ASK BRIAN. LET'S SAY AN ORDINANCE, LET'S JUST START WITH NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS ALLOWED PER SHORT TERMINAL. LET'S JUST SAY AN ORDINANCE OF THAT WAS PROPOSED HEARD AND PASSED. THIS IS JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE. IS THERE A REASON WHY THAT IT'S INVOLVING THE ADMINISTRATION OR OVERSIGHT OF SHORT TERM RENTAL POLICING? IS THERE ANY REASON WE COULDN'T DEVELOP A BRANCH OR [04:30:01] A GROUP UNDER GPD OR UNDER THE CITY MARSHAL THAT COULD BE FINANCED BY? >> A HOT? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> NO. >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN USE HOT FOR THAT OR USE REGISTRATION FEE. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S SEE. >> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I GUESS I'LL ASK HIM ANOTHER WAY. THEY'RE USING HOT USING ALTERNATIVE THEN JUST STRAIGHT OUT ORIGINAL [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO. THE DOING, IT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THE ISSUE. JUST TO SAY THERE'S PARKING ISSUES. IF THE STREETS BEING BLOCKED, EVEN IF I HAVE A MARSHAL ON THE WEST END, THE WEST END'S BIG, SO IT'S GOING TO BE A MINUTE BEFORE THEY GET THERE. IF THEY'RE WORKING AN ISSUE ON SEVEN MILE ROAD, AND THERE'S AN ISSUE IN CHILLA. >> NO, UNDERSTOOD. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO NOT PULL FROM, LIKE WE HEARD EARLIER, WE'VE GOT 167 TO ONE ANY WEEKEND WITH VISITORS COMPARED TO LOCALS. OUR POLICING AND OUR FIRE AND OUR AMBULANCES ARE TAKEN UP WITH, MAJORITY OF THOSE CALLS ARE NOT FOR THE LOCALS, THEY'RE FOR PEOPLE THAT COME IN TOWN EVERY WEEKEND. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, IS IF THERE WAS, LET'S JUST SAY A PARKING ORDINANCE THAT WE START WITH THAT. >> WELL WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ONLY IN R3, AND THAT IS [OVERLAPPING] >> IF THERE'S A PARKING ORDINANCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND THAT WAS EARMARKED OR TAGGED FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, AS WELL AS LOUD MUSIC, AS LOUD AS NUMBER OF PEOPLE GATHERING AT A CERTAIN PLACE AS FAR AS [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE HAVE A NOISE [OVERLAPPING] >> THERE'S NOT ONE OR TWO ORDINANCES THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY POLICE FOR. THERE'S SEVERAL. ONE OF THE MAIN ONES WOULD BE PARKING, BUT WE'D HAVE TO ESTABLISH A ORDINANCE FOR THAT FIRST. BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, IS THERE AN OPTION? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY>. >> SURE. ABSOLUTELY. >> NOBODY'S ARGUING THAT. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW FOR THE 4TH OF JULY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT. >> YEAH. >> WE DID A SHORT TERM CONTRACT WITH [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A WEEK. I'M SORRY. I WISH IT COULD, AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO IT ISLAND WIDE, AND IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. >> I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD BE FACILITATED. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I WOULDN'T EVEN SEE HOW THE LOGISTIC LOGISTICS COULD BE ESTABLISHED THAT QUICKLY. >> NORMAL OFFICERS OR GALVESTON POLICE OFFICERS. >> SO I GUESS WHAT SOMEONE IS SAYING IS THAT IF WE COULD HAVE A VISION OF SAYING, LET'S TAKE OUR FIRST STEP, LET'S START WITH PARKING. THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE LOWEST-HANGING FRUITS OF ISSUES. >> IN MY WORLD, I WOULD TELL EVERY SHORT TERM RENTALS GET FOUR PARKING SPOTS BEFORE YOU CAN GET YOUR LICENSE, YOU HAVE TO BE INSPECTED AND SHOW THAT YOU HAVE FOUR OFFSITE PARKING SPOTS. IF YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T GET A LICENSE? YEAH. >> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S ENFORCEABLE. AGAIN, IS IT FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION THAT DOES RIGHT? NO. BUT AS FAR AS THOSE TOP 10 BAD ACTORS, THE BUILT TO ADVERTISE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SLEEP 20, AND THEY PUSH AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PUSHING IS FOR GIGANTIC GROUPS THAT BASICALLY DISRUPT THE HECK OUT OF NEIGHBORHOODS. MAYBE THAT LOW HANGING FRUIT IS SOMETHING WE START WITH. DOWN WITH THEM. THERE'S NO WAY ABOUT JULY 4TH. YEAH. BUT AT LEAST WE CAN BE REACTIVE AND MOVE SOME OF THIS FORWARD. >> I AGREE. YEAH. >> BUT BRIAN, WHAT YOU MENTIONED, SAY ALL SHORT TERM RENTALS HAVE TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING, THAT WON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THAT'S NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM. THEY HAVE FRIENDS COME OVER. THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ON THE STREET. IT'S SIMPLE AS THAT. >> EAST END HAS THAT. >> I THINK THE QUICKEST EASY SOLUTION WOULD BE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE MARKINGS ON THE STREETS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS LEGALLY PARKED. SOMEBODY'S ILLEGALLY PARKED, WE DEAL WITH IT LIKE WE DO ANY OTHER TIME. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THEY GET REGISTERED, THEY'RE ASSIGNED A NUMBER. THE FERRY DOES IT. I'M NOT SAYING THEY POLICE IT VERY WELL. THEY'RE AS SIMPLE AS JUST LAMINATING A PIECE OF YELLOW PAPER. BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF WE PUT IT BACK ON THE BURDEN OF THE OWNERS TO SAY, YOU ARE ASSIGNED, HERE IS FOUR PLAQUES WITH THE NUMBER ASSIGNED FOR YOUR REGISTRATION. THESE ARE FOR YOUR FOUR CARS THAT ARE ALLOWED EACH NIGHT THAT YOU PARK THERE. IF AN OFFICER COMES OUT FOR AN ISSUE, HE'S GOING TO COUNT YOUR FOUR PLAQUES ON YOUR FOUR CARS AND EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO GO. >> IF THERE'S NO WAY OF KNOWING IT. >> IF THEY'RE LEGALLY PARKED. >> TELL THEM EVEN IF THEY'RE LEGALLY PARKED. >> NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. NO. I'M SAYING AS FAR AS BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN ACTUALLY, IF THE OWNER IS NOT POLICING THEIR OWN PROPERTY, [04:35:01] AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SIGN FOUR PLAQUES EACH NIGHT FOR EACH CAR THAT STAY THE NIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE PARKED LEGALLY, IF THEY'RE PARKED ILLEGALLY, I GUESS I'M NOT GETTING THAT DEEP. I'M JUST SAYING AS FAR AS TO BE ABLE TO POLICE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING 30 SOMETHING CARS PARKED ON BOTH ADJACENT EMPTY LOTS INTO THE BEACH, WHATEVER. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE CARS ABOVE THE FOUR ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTAL? >> YOU DON'T. BUT YOU SAY THESE FOUR CARS CAN STAY ON THIS PROPERTY AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO GO. >> NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IF THEY'RE PARKED LEGALLY ON THE STREET, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT. >> OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. I GUESS I'M GOING TO THE EXTREME OF WHAT I'VE NOTICED, WHICH IS THEY ABSOLUTELY FILL UP EVERY CORNER OF A LOT THAT'S NOT FILLED UP BY THE HOUSE. >> BUT IF THE MARSHAL DOESN'T KNOW WHO IT COULD BE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEY'RE HAVING AN ANNIVERSARY PARTY. >> IF THEY RECEIVED A CALL, AND IT'S A HOUSE. AGAIN, I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU GO TO ANY, WHETHER IT'S THE NON-EMERGENCY POLICE, THE HOA PRESIDENT, IT'S THE SAME HOUSES THAT THE SAME CALLS COME IN. WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND. SO IF YOU I'M THINKING OF ONE HOUSE IN PARTICULAR IN CO. ANY GIVEN WEEKEND, IT HAS 22 CARS AT IT. WITH A HOUSE LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE EASY. BUT THEN IF YOU WERE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE SPANISH GRAND BEACH SIDE, >> YOU'D NEVER FIGURE IT OUT. >> IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE IT COULD BE BEACH ACCESS PARKING. >> THAT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT, MARIE, BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING ON THE WEST END IS YOU'VE GOT BEACH ACCESS PARKING. SO HOW DO YOU KNOW, IS IT AN STR SOMEBODY WHO WENT OVER TO THE BEACH FOR THE DAY? IF I MAY, MAYOR, MARIE BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT IN HER RECENT MEETING WHEN SHE SAID, LET'S GET BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING, AND THAT IS WITH REGISTRATION. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. KNOWING WHERE WE ARE WITH REGISTRATION, HOW IT'S MOVING OVER BY OCTOBER 1, AND CHILLA AND PLANNING AND DAN BUCKLEY, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING IF WE COULD, AND I THINK IT'S THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE THING WE COULD DO IF WE GO BACK TO THIS ORDINANCE, THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE, AND WE GO BACK TO POLICY. WHAT IS POLICY? WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR? HOW DOES IT MATCH WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE ORDINANCE? HOW DOES IT MATCH WHAT'S GOING ON IN CHAPTER 19, WHICH I'VE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE A FEW WEEKS AGO? HOW DO ALL OF THESE INTERSECT AND WORK TOGETHER? HOW DO WE ENFORCE? BECAUSE IF THEY GET OUT THERE AND IT IS THAT SAME HOUSE IN SILLA, WE HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANISM THAT IS LEGAL. SHE WILL HELP US WITH THAT. LEGAL TO TAKE THEM OFF THE BOOKS AND ALSO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION WITH AIRBNB AND VRBO, TO GET THOSE LISTINGS REMOVED FROM THOSE WEBSITES. IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT THE OTHER ONES. DAVID AND I I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG PLATFORMS. THOSE ARE THE ONES WE NEED THEM REMOVED FROM. AND SO IT'S FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF REGISTRATION AND WHAT IS REQUIRED THERE ALL THE WAY TO HOW DO WE GET THE BAD ACTORS OUT. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THROUGH, IN MY OPINION, IT'S CITY MANAGEMENT, IT IS PLANNING, AND IT IS LEGAL HELPING US MAKE THAT HAPPEN. COMPREHENSIVELY, IF WE PICK A PART OF IT PIECE BY PIECE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET OVERALL SOLUTIONS THAT WE WANT [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE CAN START WITH LICENSE AND A THREE STRIKE OUT TIE. >> THAT WAS AMONG THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE ALREADY [OVERLAPPING]. >> YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING ON THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THAT IT HAS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE RATHER THAN PIECEMEALING IT AND EVEN SPENDING VALUABLE DOLLARS RIGHT NOW TO PUT SOMEBODY IN CARS, TO DO. I'M NOT SURE. >> LET'S GO BACK TO THE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS. FIRST OF ALL, IN SHORT TERM BRIAN, WHERE ARE WE ON POSSIBLY ADDING EXTRA MARSHALS? >> OUR NEW CITY MARSHAL JUST STARTED. HEATHER JUST STARTED. >> WELCOME HEATHER. >> WELCOME AND HER FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS GETTING MORE MARSHALS HIRED BECAUSE WE ARE DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING. >> NOW, THIS IS REQUESTING THEM ON WEEKENDS AND THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHTS. >> IT CORRELATES WITH THE SECOND THING, ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT WOULD JUST BE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. >> THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ILLEGAL CONSTRUCTION AT NIGHT. >> THERE IS. [04:40:01] >> WELL, THEY'RE WORKING WEEKENDS. THEY'RE OUT THERE DURING THE DAY ON THE WEEKENDS. >> NO. THERE IS A LEGAL CONSTRUCTION THAT GOES ON FROM DUSK TO DAWN COME SATURDAY MORNING TILL LATE SUNDAY NIGHT. >> MANY OFFENSE ON SUNDAY NIGHT. >> WHERE ARE WE ON THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE? ARE THESE BEING DISTRIBUTED THAT YOU'VE PASSED OUT? >> IF YOU COULD, IF YOU'LL DECIDE, YOU WANT TO DIRECT STAFF TO HER, I WOULD WORK WITH DAVID AND I. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE WOULD WORK WITH MARISA ON IT. SHE'S STILL HERE? NO. NOTHING LIKE VOLUNTEERING SOMEBODY WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE, BUT WE WOULD WORK WITH MARISSA ON IT. [OVERLAPPING] IS THE DECKER TECHNOLOGIES, WHICH I THINK [INAUDIBLE] HAS INSIGHT INTO BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COULD REALLY BE GREAT IS IS, ANY RULES, ANY REMINDERS WE WANT TO PUT UP. WHEN OPERATORS GO TO THE BACK END OF THEIR AIRBNB OR VRBO WEBSITE, THEIR PORTAL, THERE CAN BE A MESSAGE THAT'S PUT RIGHT UP THERE REMINDING THEM. I THINK THERE CAN BE A DOWNLOAD, BUT I'M NOT SURE THERE CAN BE A DOWNLOAD OF THIS, BUT PART OF IT IS JUST FLOODING THE ZONE. WE HAVE TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT. WE'VE BEEN REMISSING IT. >> EACH ONE OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. >> THAT'S THE IDEA. >> IT OUGHT TO BE POSTED ON THE DOOR LIKE IN A HOTEL. >> PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING 32 PEOPLE IN A HOUSE DON'T READ. NOT THAT THEY DON'T READ. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO READ THAT. DAVID AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION. HE'S, AND LIKE YOU, HE'S A FIVE STAR. >> HE'S A GREAT OPERATOR. >> I'M PERSON WHO IS RATED FIVE STAR ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHEN I GO INTO RENTAL, I TAKE THE LITTLE BOOK OUT AND I READ ALL THE LITTLE THINGS BECAUSE WE ALWAYS LEAVE A RENTAL BETTER THAN THE WAY WE FOUND IT. WE'LL FIX SOMETHING OR WHATEVER. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW, YOU CAN EDUCATE THEM TILL THE COWS COME OUT. >> I WOULD STILL DO IT, THOUGH. I AGREE THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER READ IT. BUT THE EDUCATION STARTS AT THE REGISTRATION PROCESS. IT GOES THROUGH IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE OPERATORS ON THIS ISLAND AND IT GOES THROUGH WITH WHAT'S IN THE HOUSE. >> IT'S IN THE WATER BELL. >> IT'S ALL CONNECTED. >> EVERY STR COLLECTS A DEPOSIT, I ASSUME, CORRECT? >> NO. >> NO. >> REALLY? >> YOU DON'T COLLECT A DEPOSIT, SECURITY DEPOSIT? >> WE READ THEM THE RIOT ACT BEFORE THEY COME ON ME. I HATE TO SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT WE LET OUR GUESTS KNOW AND I THINK LIZ WOULD SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THAT [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE LET KNOW AHEAD OF TIME WHAT THEIR RULES ARE, HOW YOU COULD FACE EVICTION AND LOSING YOUR MONEY. THEY KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. THEY KNOW HOW MANY CARS TO PARK, EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAY IT STARTS WITH EDUCATING YOUR GUEST, EDUCATING YOUR OPERATOR, THEN OPERATOR TO THE GUEST AND THEN ENFORCEMENT. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, COUNSEL. YOU CAN GUIDE ME WHERE. ON MOTION NUMBER 1, BRIAN, CAN YOU PUT PRIORITY ON TRYING TO GET SOME TYPE OF THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT MARSHALL? >> BRIAN. >> BEFORE OCTOBER, YES. >> DRESS UP, HEAD OUT. >> I WISH I WAS AUTHORIZED TO DO SUCH A THING. >> IF WE COULD DO THAT. IF DAVID, YOU AND CLAIRE COULD WORK WITH STAFF TO SEE ABOUT HOW WE COULD GET THIS INCORPORATED INTO OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL PROCESS IN SOME WAY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. ON NUMBER 3 HERE, I THINK TIM, YOU'RE ALREADY PROBABLY WORKING ON THAT. WHEN CAN YOU BRING SOMETHING BACK TO COUNSEL HERE? >> COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. EXCUSE ME. >> COMMITTEE. >> BRING IT TO COUNSEL. >> BRING IT TO COUNCIL FIRST, AND THEN TO COMMITTEE IN MY OPINION. >> PLEASE BRING IT TO COMMITTEE FIRST. WE NEED THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMITTEE. WE NEED THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE. >> SO I'LL JUST GO BACK TO ALL MY CONSTITUENTS THAT WE'LL HAVE NEW RULES THE 12TH NOVEMBER. >> NO. >> THEY'VE BEEN WAITING NOW FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. >> YEAH, THEY JUST GOT STARTED. >> IT'S A PROCESS. COME ON. >> BUT THEY'RE COMMITTEE. >> IT'S YOUR TERM COMMITTEE. >> YOUR COMMITTEE HAS A HISTORY OF MEETING QUICKLY TO ADDRESS THINGS. >> WE DO. WE DID IT ONCE A WEEK THE LAST THREE WEEKS. >> WHEN COULD YOU GET THIS TO THEIR COMMITTEE? >> I'M THINKING AUGUST IS WHEN WE COULD HAVE A TWEET DRAFT READY TO GO FOR WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE, FOR WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE THAT HAS FOLKS ON BOTH SIDES. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL THE ASPECTS OF THIS. THERE'S GREAT OPERATORS WHO WE SHOULD BE CERTAINLY CONSIDER IT OF. THEN THERE ARE HORRIBLE OPERATORS, WHICH WE SHOULD BE REALLY GEARING MOST OF THIS TOWARD. >> WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SHOOT LITTLE FLAGS ON THEM THAT SAYS BAD OPERATOR. WHEN THE POLICE ARE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND THEY SEE THREE BAD FLAGS, [04:45:05] THEY CAN PULL THEIR LICENSE AND THEY'RE OUT. >> DON'T START, MARIE. >> THAT'S IN SOME OF THE DRAFT LANGUAGE ALREADY. WE WILL AT SOME, POINT IN TIME, HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE, HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT WE COULD LITERALLY UTILIZE TO GET PEOPLE ON THAT VIOLATION TRACT IF THEY'RE VIOLATED. >> WE NEED TO DO THAT QUICKLY. >> YES. >> ABSOLUTELY. THEN THOSE THAT AREN'T, WE LET THEM DO WHAT THEY DO WELL. >> TO ADDRESS MARIE'S CONCERN BECAUSE I FEEL THE PAIN. I KNOW YOU GET THESE CALLS FROM PEOPLE ON THE WEST. LET ME JUST FINISH. I THINK THAT ONCE THIS ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE, ONCE BRIAN AND CITY MANAGEMENT HAVE THE MARSHALS IN PLACE, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCES AND WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH REGISTRATION. WE WILL BE READY FOR NEXT SEASON. BUT WITH EVERYTHING MOVING TO THE CITY RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S IN LIMBO WITH THE TECHNOLOGY, WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED, WITH WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THE TECHNOLOGY, MOVING THE CALL CENTER. ALL OF THOSE ARE MOVING PIECES, AND I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GET IT PRETTY DARN CLOSE. >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S WELL AND GOOD. BUT ONE PERSON DIES BECAUSE AN AMBULANCE OR A FIRE TRUCK CAN'T GET THROUGH. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT, AND I'M THE PERSON WHO ANSWERS TO THE PEOPLE. >> THAT'S A POLICE CALL. >> WE NEED TO DO SOMETHINGS FASTER. >> LAST THING ON JUST AN OUTSIDE OPINION, WHAT DO YOU KNOW OR FEEL OR DO YOU SUPPORT THE DECKER SOFTWARE? >> I THINK THAT ALL SOFTWARE HAS ISSUES. I THINK THAT DAVID IS GOING TO BE GREAT TALKING ABOUT IT FROM THE INDIVIDUAL OPERATOR. WE TALK ABOUT IT FROM THE BEING THE COMPANY TRYING TO UPLOAD THESE REPORTS AND PAY OUR HIGH TAX EVERY MONTH. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S PERFECT. I DON'T THINK ANY SOFTWARE IS PERFECT. I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF VACATION RENTAL OPERATORS AND CITY STAFF IN OTHER CITIES, AND NONE OF IT'S PERFECT. NONE OF IT'S PERFECT, UNFORTUNATELY. >> THAT THEIR LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE WAS NOT CONSISTENT. >> TERRIFIC. YEAH. YEAH. >> SO WE CAN'T HAVE THAT. >> NOT THE BEST OR HORRIFIC. >> I'M SORRY. WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF. WE'RE GETTING OFF. >> WE'VE BEEN OFF. >> THAT IS A BIG ONE, BUT IT'S OFF TOPIC. >> YES, MA'AM. LET'S COME BACK INTO THIS. WE'VE GOT A PLAN FORWARD. BRIAN'S GOING TO PUT PRIORITY FOR EVENING. FRED MARSHALLS. CLAIRE, YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH DAVID ON THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE. TIM IS GOING TO BRING TO YOUR COMMITTEE HOPEFULLY IN AUGUST TO EVALUATE AND BRING BACK TO COUNSEL. >> NO, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY RIGHT. THE COMMITTEE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND PROVIDE TIM WITH INPUT ON THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE SO FAR ALL WE'VE REALLY DONE IS FOCUSED ON PARKING, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THE ORDINANCE, AND THE COMMITTEE NEEDS TO PROVIDE SOME INPUTS TO TIM ON THAT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MEETING. >> NO, NO, I WAS JUST SAYING TIM'S GOING TO BRING HIS PART BACK TO THE COMMITTEE IN AUGUST. YOU GUYS WILL CONTINUE THE MEETING. >> TIM CAN ALSO GIVE US DIRECTION ON WHAT THEY WANT INPUT ON AS THEY'RE WORKING ON PIECES OF THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE I REALLY DO WANT TO USE THAT ORDINANCE AS OUR FRAMEWORK. BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED EARLIER, WE WERE JUST FLOUNDERING AROUND. SO IT'LL GIVE US SOME STRUCTURE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> DAVID, THANK YOU. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> YES, SIR. WAIT, JUST ONE SECOND. BO HAS SOMETHING. >> IT SAYS DISCUSSION AND AN UPDATE OF ACTIVITY AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE. HOW IS ME ASKING ABOUT THE SOFTWARE AND THINGS THAT THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IS OFF? >> IT'S SPECIFIC TO PARKING REGULATIONS. >> IT'S ON THE SECOND. THE SECOND PAGE. >> I GET TROUBLE EVERY MEETING [LAUGHTER]. >> FIRST DISCUSSION AN UPDATE OF ACTIVITIES OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON PARKING REGULATIONS. THAT'S NOT JUST PARKING REGULATIONS? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THE SHORT TERM REG COMMITTEES REALLY DISCUSSED DECKARD. >> WE HAVEN'T. >> AS PART OF [INAUDIBLE]. >> HE SAID THAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING IT WITH BRYSON. >> BRYSON DID THAT. >> IT'S A PRESENTATION. >> THIS IS A PRESENTATION. >> BY BRYSON. >>AT SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE? >> AT SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE. YES. >> CAN WE TALK ABOUT IT? [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S ALL YOUR AGENDA FOR THE VOTE FOR THIS [INAUDIBLE]. >> JUST ONE SECOND. >> THE VOTE IS FOR THE ASSIGNMENT. >> WHAT WOULD WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOUGH? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT? [04:50:01] >> I JUST SIMPLY LIKE TO HEAR WHAT DAVE SAID ABOUT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE IS HORRIFIC AND WE'RE FIXING TO DO A COMPLETE TRANSITION TO THE CITY WITH SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE. >> I THINK SOMEBODY FROM THE COMMITTEE SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD. JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT THE SYSTEM IS CAPABLE OF. WE GOT AN AGGREGATE TOTAL OF COMPLAINTS. WE DIDN'T GET ADDRESSES. WE DIDN'T GET WHAT WAS THE RESULT OF THE CALL FOR SERVICE. WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THAT. WE JUST GOT A LIST OF BY CATEGORY. >> BRIAN. >> HOW BAD OF A POSITION WOULD IT PUT US IN? IF WE DELAYED THE VOTE ON THAT SOFTWARE TODAY. >> IT'S GOING TO SLOW DOWN YOUR TRANSITION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN STILL MAKE THE TRANSITION OCTOBER 1. IF WE DON'T GET THE ASSIGNMENT OVER TO US, WE CAN'T EVEN START MANIPULATING THE DATA TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHY WOULD WE DELAY IT SO WE CAN [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'RE NOT EVEN GETTING SO ANYWAY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT. >> WE GOT IT. WE CAN PULL IT OFF. >> IT'S HARD. THAT'S HOW HARD THEY ARE. >> WE CAN PULL IT OFF ON COUNSEL MEETING. I GOT SOME. >> YOU CAN BRING IT UP. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT SOFTWARE OVER HERE AND EVALUATE IT. >> [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S HOW WE PAY HOT EVERY MONTH. >> WHETHER IT'S ONE UNIT OR 200 UNITS, OR WHETHER IT'S AIRBNB SENDING IN A MILLION POINT TWO A MONTH. JUST BE AWARE THAT IT'S ALL TIED UP INTO ONE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE DON'T SEE MOVING TO ANOTHER SOFTWARE BEFORE OCTOBER 1 FOR SURE. WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE. >> LET ME SAY WHAT I'M PUTTING TOGETHER HERE. FROM WHAT MARIE SAID, AND WITH US TRYING TO CREATE ORDINANCES THAT ARE SOON TO COME DOWN WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS I HEARD THAT'S A HUGE PART OF THIS IS DATA COLLECTION, OF WHICH WE ARE NOT GETTING CRAP FROM THE SOFTWARE FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M NOT SURE WHY IN OTHER WORDS, LIKE, OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSS. DATA IS GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF DETERMINING, THIS ADDRESS IS A CONSTANT BAD PLAYER. THIS ADDRESS WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT. THAT'S DATA THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT WE'RE DEPENDENT ON THE SOFTWARE TO GIVE US. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE JUST DON'T CONTINUE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT INTO PLAY AS FAR AS OUR DECISION. >> HOW MUCH OF THAT PROBLEM IS COMING FROM THE FACT THAT YOU ONLY HAD ONE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING WITH THE SOFTWARE? THE SMARTEST THING WE CAN DO IS GET IT IN HERE. >> GET IT OVER. >> JUST KEEP IN MIND, IT WOULD TAKE US 6-8 MONTHS TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'M NOT ARGUING. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. >> SAY SOMETHING [LAUGHTER]. >> BUT I WANT TO COMMENT ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THEY ACTUALLY RECEIVING THAT DATA. >> A DATA, IS ANY? >> WE DON'T KNOW. >> SEE, SO THEREFORE, THEY CAN'T. >> WE REALLY CAN'T. >> THEY ARE RECEIVING DATA. >> I MEAN, COMPLAINTS. >> YES. >> CHILLA, YOU'RE ABOUT TO BUST YOUR HEAD UP [OVERLAPPING]. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE AN EXAM. >> COUNSEL. JUST ONE SECOND. SHE [INAUDIBLE]. >> AS WAS MENTIONED, THIS IS OUR COLLECTION SOFTWARE. THERE IS A FINANCIAL ASPECT TO THIS THAT IS ESSENTIAL. WHETHER DECKARD IS THE FULL SOLUTION OR THE FOREVER SOLUTION IS WE DON'T NONE OF US KNOW THE ANSWER. >> WE DON'T KNOW YOU. >> NOBODY, PARK BOARD OR US, CAN COLLECT FUNDS, WHETHER IT'S REGISTRATIONS OR HOT FUNDS IN COMPLETE MANNER WITHOUT THE SOFTWARE WE HAVE CURRENTLY. THERE IS POSSIBILITIES THAT WE CAN IMPROVE UPON THE FUNCTIONING OF DECKARD AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY. >> ONCE IT'S AT THE CITY AND WE ARE READY TO TAKE THAT FEEDBACK AND WORK WITH IT, WE KNOW THAT ADDRESSING IS AN ISSUE WE NEED TO CLEAN UP BECAUSE IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SIX MONTHS IN WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA, AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE. VERY MUCH SO. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE ARE NOT RULING THAT OUT. BUT AT THIS POINT, IF WE WANT TO KEEP COLLECTING THE MONEY, WE NEED A MECHANISM BY BIG TO DO THAT. >> THE CONTRACTS ARE ONLY. >> I WOULD FAIL WITHOUT SOFTWARE. >> IT IS JUST ONE YEAR. >> IT IS JUST ONE YEAR. >> IT IS JUST ONE YEAR. >> YEAH. >> CHILLA, YOU NEED TO BE A BULLDOG ON THIS. I'D BE LIKE, WE'RE WATCHING HERE. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH DECKARD, AND CERTAINLY, ONCE WE GET THE PARKS BOARD EMPLOYEE OVER TO THE CITY HOPEFULLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE TEAM OF US IN FINANCE WHO KNOW THAT EVERYONE HERE IS WATCHING VERY CLOSELY WHAT HAPPENS, NOT TO STRESS US OUT OR ANYTHING, BUT THIS IS A COMMUNITY INTEREST PROJECT, AND SO. >> IF YOU DON'T THINK THAT DECKER IS WATCHING THIS [LAUGHTER]. THEY ARE. >> GO AHEAD AT ONE THING. GO AHEAD. >> IS IT CONCERNING DECKARD? >> IT IS [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE STO. [04:55:02] >> IT WOULD BE REMISS OF ME IF I DIDN'T INTERRUPT COUNSEL AGAIN. IT IS OFF TOPIC. IT IS OFF OF THE CURRENT AGENDA TOPIC, AND I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN WHY. FIRST, WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE DECKARD AND THE HOT TAX ISSUE EARLIER. MISS CLAIRE IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKING REGULATIONS, AND AS. >> LET HER FINISH. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO ITEMS. >> OF THE UPDATE. >> ONE OF THE TWO ITEMS. >> YEAH. HOWEVER, WHAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I'M GLAD THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR CAME IN. HOPEFULLY YOU CLEAR THAT UP, BUT I THINK WE ARE A LITTLE OFF THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC OF WHAT IT OF. >> DONNA [INAUDIBLE]. >> DONNA, JUST ONE SECOND. WE'RE GOING TO WRAP THIS UP. >> YES. >> BUT THIS IS AN UPDATE FROM THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE, AD YOU DISCUSSED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMITTEE DISCUSSED THE REGISTRATION IN DECKARD, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES WE DID. >> GIVE YOUR INPUT, TIM ON THAT. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY REAL QUICKLY, THE WHOLE HORRIBLE VERSUS OKAY DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED HERE JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO. I THINK ALSO AS PART OF THE FACT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS NO HAND RIGHT NOW IN EVALUATION OF. >> EXACTLY. >> I MEAN, IT'S SIMPLY A SYSTEM THAT DOCUMENTS THE PLAYERS, WHO THEY ARE? WHERE THEY ARE? WHAT THEY'RE PAYING, THAT THING. THERE IS NO ENFORCEMENT ON THE FRONT END THAT OUR DEPARTMENT COULD DO BECAUSE THAT'S NOT EVER BEEN A COMPONENT OF IT. I THINK THAT THOSE ISSUES WILL AT LEAST BE REDUCED OR PERHAPS EVEN SUBSTANTIALLY GO AWAY LIMITED WHEN THAT STARTS HAPPENING. THAT'S ALL. >> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNSEL? >> NOPE. >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE THREE ADDS. [3.I Discussion of Charter Amendments, including an update on a bond to mill and overlay the roads (C Brown/B Brown/Robb - 15 min)] >> THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE] HELLO. >> I WILL, AND I'M VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> I'M GOING BACK TO THE FRONT. >> THANK YOU, DAVID. >> JAKE HAVE JUST KIDDING, YOU'RE GOING BACK TO I. >> ITEM THREE I. DISCUSSION OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS, INCLUDING AN UPDATE ON A BOND TO MAIL AND OVERLAY THE ROADS. >> LET'S THE ROADS SETTLE DOWN BECAUSE WE NEED TO HEAR THIS. READ THAT AGAIN, PLEASE, JANELLE. >> DISCUSSION OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS, INCLUDING AN UPDATE ON A BOND TO MAIL AND OVERLAY THE ROADS. >> COUNSEL, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING POSSIBILITY OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS BEING PRESENTED IN NOVEMBER AT ONE POINT HERE, COUNSEL. WE HAD ASKED FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEND YOUR INPUT TO DON IF YOU WANTED A CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. I THINK THAT BOB BROWN WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT SENT SOMETHING IN, NOBODY ELSE DID. THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT CHARTER AMENDMENTS, AND THEN I THINK MARIE HAS IT ON HERE. SHE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE BOND SO FORTH, ON THE MILL AND OVERLAY. >> [INAUDIBLE] AND I, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, I THINK THE BOND ITEMS SHOULD BE ON THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. CHARTER, I THINK IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. >> DEAD IN THE WATER. >> DEAD IN THE WATER. NO. WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL MAY. >> I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK HAVING ANYTHING ON THE CHARTER FROM OUR STANDPOINT ON THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS IN NOVEMBER IS INAPPROPRIATE TO DO. >> NOW BOB, GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T DROP IT AND DROP THE CHARTER AMENDMENT DISCUSSION, AND WHEN IT HAPPENS, IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO TALK ABOUT, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO DROP IT, WHILE WE'RE STILL ALL HERE TALKING ABOUT IT. >> OH, I UNDERSTAND. ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS, COUNSEL? >> THERE MIGHT BE SOME PHOTO FATIGUE WITH MULTIPLE BONDS. >> NOT BOND NOW BUT [INAUDIBLE]. >> IN 19 CONSTITUTIONAL ELECTION. >> I KNOW, BUT I STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE BOND. I REALLY DO. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE VOTING BECAUSE THERE ARE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS. >> A LOT MORE PEOPLE AT THE POLLS IN MAY THAN THEY'RE IN NOVEMBER. >> I THINK. >> OTHER WAY AROUND. >> OTHER WAY. ALWAYS. >> YOU GET A DIFFERENT VOTER IN NOVEMBER THAN YOU GET IN MAY. RIGHT. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF VOTER ON THAT. >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS THAT AS THE NEW LAW STATES YOU GOT TO WAIT FIVE YEARS. >> IF IT FAILS. >> IF IT FAILS. >> CORRECT. >> LET'S MOVE TO 3L, PLEASE, JANELLE. [3.L Discussion of Drainage Issues on Recently Finished Street Projects and an update on current and upcoming projects identified in the Drainage Master Plan (Porretto/Finklea/Robb - 15 min)] >> WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH. >> THREE L. DISCUSSION OF DRAINAGE ISSUES AND RECENTLY ON RECENTLY FINISHED STREET PROJECT AND AN UPDATE ON CURRENT AND UPCOMING PROJECTS IDENTIFIED IN THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN. [05:00:02] >> THIS ALSO INCLUDES 3M, DOES IT NOT? >> THREE. >> NO. >> NO. IT WOULD BE SEPARATE, BUT IF WE WANT TO MOVE. >> [INAUDIBLE]. NO. THEY AREN'T TOGETHER. IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. >> THEY'RE TWO. >> I THOUGHT YOU HAD PUT THEM TOGETHER, MEMORY. >> I PUT THEM FOLLOWING BECAUSE IT WAS RELATED. >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> THREE L, AND WE THINK HE'S GONE, HE PUT THE LATTER HALF WORK ON THE LATTER HALF OF THIS. HE REALLY WANTED THE UPDATE ON THE MASTER PLAN DRAINAGE PROJECTS. SPECIFICALLY, I'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT 45TH STREET. GO FIGURE. BUT I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, WITH ALL THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING IN PUBLIC WORKS WOULD BE IN MY IDEA, WE COULD DO A I GUESS IT WOULD BE A UTILITY SURVEY UTILIZING SOME OF THOSE CAMERAS, OTHER THINGS FOR THE STORM WATER UTILITIES THAT RUN INTO 45TH STREET. THEN BEYOND THAT, THE OTHER STREETS THAT EITHER HAVE A PERCEIVED OR A REAL WORSENED FOOTING PROBLEM TO GET SOME OF THE DATA AND NUMBERS AND THE ONE. THE THING THAT I GO BACK TO WAS LAST YEAR, IT WAS AVENUE L HAD THAT COLLAPSE CORRUGATED LINE, AND IT WAS SNAKED WITH THE CAMERA AND FOUND THAT WAY. JUST THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM THIS. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE, SO THE RESIDENT IS GOING TO HAVE SOME EASE OF MIND TO KNOW THAT A ARE SOME OF THE THINGS NEED TO BE REPLACED, REPAIRED, IF IT WORSENS THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE'RE REPAIRING THE LINES AND PUTTING I GUESS, MORE WATER INTO THE SYSTEM, IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO, AND I BELIEVE THE FURTHER SOLUTIONS DOWN THE LINE. >> WE ACTIVELY IF WE HAVE A SPECIFIC PROBLEM THERE, WE WORK IT PRETTY HARD TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES. THE BIG TELL IS THAT IF WE HAVE HEAVY RAIN THE STREET FLOODS, ALL THE INLETS ARE FLOODED, BUT IF THE WATERS STILL THERE, AN HOUR LATER, WE KNOW WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM, AND THAT'S WHEN WE TYPICALLY GO IN AND INVESTIGATE IT. I HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS VERY THING THAT WE'VE GOT TO START DOING THAT. UNFORTUNATELY WE ONLY HAVE ONE CAMERA, SO WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT IT ON THAT, BUT WE CAN DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN. >> BUT SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE ON 45TH. IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS, AND THEN IT COULD BE APPLIED TO OTHER STREETS AND OTHER DISTRICTS. >> [INAUDIBLE] 45TH STREETS FLOODED YOUR WHOLE LIFE, MY WHOLE LIFE. THE BIGGEST ISSUE ON 45TH STREET ARE THE TWO TRUNK LINES, WHICH IS P AND L. WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE P LINE BIG TIME WITH THE PUMP STATION. THAT'S GOING TO KEEP THAT LINE EVACUATED. THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE MOST THINGS FROM AVENUE P SOUTH, AND AVENUE P NORTH IS [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHAT TIMELINE DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE TO GET JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF JUST LOOKING AT, CHECKING THOSE UTILITY LINES FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS PERSPECTIVE. >> IN TV, EVERYTHING IS SOUTH OF AVENUE S ALREADY. I KNOW I WAS THERE WHEN WE DID THAT, SO. >> DO YOU HAVE, LIKE A. >> WE HAVE ALL VIDEO. >> IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND JUST GIVE OF A QUICK REPORT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO OR? >> RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AT STEM OUT 45TH STREET. IT'LL BE THE AVENUE P AND A HALF LINE. WE'RE WAITING ON TEXAS GAS TO RELOCATE A SERVICE LINE THERE SO THAT WE CAN GO IN UNDER THE DIP PROJECT AND START BEGINNING THOSE AND THEN ALSO AVENUE S AND A HALF. IS ALSO FROM 45TH TO ABOUT 47. >> CHOKE POINT WE FOUND THERE? >> YEAH, WE GOT ANOTHER CHOKE POINT THERE, AND WE'RE PRIORITIZING THOSE UNDER THAT PROJECT IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PUMPS COMING ONLINE FOR SOUTH. SURE. >> FROM AN ASSESSMENT STANDPOINT OF THE STREET WITH THE PUBLIC UTILITY DRAINAGE LINE. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET A SHEET OF PAPER TO SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, THIS IS THEIR CONDITION, SIZE OF THE LINE, STUFF LIKE THAT? >> WE HAVE ALL THAT. THAT'S ALL ON GIS. >> THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE FOUND ON 45TH STREET, NUMBER ONE 45TH STREET WAS NOT A DRAINAGE PROJECT. IT WAS A UTILITY RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. A DRAINAGE PROJECT TYPICALLY STARTS AT YOUR OUTFALL AND UPSIZE IS THE OUTFALL ON ALL THE LINES, THERE. WHAT 45TH STREET DID WAS REALLY JUST, MADE ENHANCEMENTS THAT REALLY SPED UP ALL THE DRAINAGE, BUT DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. IT KIND OF GOT IT [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT WAS IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PUMP STATION. WE KNEW THE PUMP STATION WHEN WE DESIGNED 45TH STREET WAS GOING TO BE IN PLAY, AND THAT'S WHY IT'S ALL GOING INTO THE AVENUE P SYSTEM SOUTH OF AVENUE P BECAUSE BUT ONCE THAT SYSTEM IS FULL, IT'S ONCE IT'S CHARGED, IT'S CHARGED. IT'S GOT TO EVACUATE. [05:05:01] THAT'S WHAT WE THINK THE PUMPS ARE REALLY GOING TO HELP THAT. YOU'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT [INAUDIBLE]. THIS STREETS NOT DRAINING IN THIS BLOCK, IT'S NOT DRAINING IN THIS BLOCK, BUT IT'S DRAINING IN THE OTHER BLOCKS. WE CAN CERTAINLY GET ON THOSE. >> IF YOU GIVE US A PARTICULAR INTERSECTIONS THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT'S RECENTLY FINISHED STREET PROJECT. IT WOULD BE, THE NORTH SOUTH [INAUDIBLE] 53RD DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM. >> ALL WE DID ON 41ST STREET WAS ASPHALT. WE DIDN'T DO ANY NEW DRAINAGE. >> MAKING OTHER STREETS FLOOD. >> JUST LOOKING AT. >> JUST THE SAME WITH [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE DRAINAGE UTILITIES, THE STORM SEWER. GETTING THE PUBLIC THAT INFORMATION, NOT JUST LOOKING AT GIS, A SHEET OF PAPER THAT SAYS, THESE ARE THESE LINES, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO FOR MY OWN, AND THEN IT COULD BE APPLIED TO OTHER STREETS TO SEE IF WHERE'S THE CONSTRAINTS? WHERE'S THE? >> [INAUDIBLE] READILY AVAILABLE IN THE MODELING. HYDRAULIC MODELING. >> IN THERE, AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE SOME OTHER INFORMATION AVAILABLE WITH OH. SORRY. DREW A BLANK. >> THAT'S OKAY. >> YEAH. BUT IF I REQUESTED THAT, HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE TO PUT TOGETHER? >> THAT SHOULDN'T BE VERY LONG AT ALL. WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT. >> WE HAVE MODEL THAN DATA. SOME OF IT. >> IF YOU JUST GIVE US PARTICULAR. >> CORRECT. BUT WE CAN WORK ON THAT. >> BROADWAY TO. >> IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT YEAR STORM YOU'RE LOOKING AT, TOO. I THINK WE'VE GOT THEM IN THE VARIOUS LEVELS. WE'VE GOT A 25 YEAR, 100 YEAR, 10 YEAR. THIS DESCRIBES THE LOCATION AND CONDITION AND STATUS. IT'LL SHOW YOU IT'LL DEPICT IT IN THE COLORS ON THE DEPTH OF THE AMOUNT OF PONDING THAT YOU GET UNDER THESE VARIOUS STORMS. THEN BECAUSE IT SHOWS THE ELEVATIONS, THE TOPOGRAPHY, IT SHOWS THE INLET SIZES. OF COURSE, IT'S NOT PERFECT DATA BECAUSE OUR GIS DATA IS NOT PERFECT WHENEVER IT WAS INITIALLY BUILT OUT. WE'VE REFINED IT HERE AND THERE. >> AVA'S REFINED IT. >> IT'S AS GOOD. >> YOU CAN INFER FROM THIS MAP THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM BELOW WHERE THESE PROBLEMS ARE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH? >> YES. IT'S EITHER UNDERSIZED FOR THE PARTICULAR STORM, WHICH IS THE CASE ON MOST OF GALA SINK BECAUSE WE'RE AFTER A TWO YEAR STORM. >> BUT WE HAD THE COLLAPSE CORRUGATED LINE, AND IF WORK WAS DONE ON THE ENTIRE STREET TO LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR LINES AND SNEAK THEM IN, AND IF IT'S WORKING, IT'S NOT WORKING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT A, I'M INTERESTED IN B, THE RESIDENTS ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN TO SEE, COULD THIS BE THE PROBLEM? IT'S NOT SOME EVIDENCE AND DATA TO SUPPORT THAT. IT'S NOT JUST 45TH. IT'S OTHER STREETS AS WELL THAT HAS EITHER A PERCEIVED OR A WORSENED FLOATING PROBLEM, AND IT MIGHT JUST BE WE INCREASE CAPACITY. THERE'S MORE CAPACITY GOING TO IT. LIKE YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND AGAIN, HERE'S WHERE IT'S BEING HELD AND HERE'S WHERE IT'S TRICKLING, THEN WE ALREADY KNOW WHERE THE NEXT IMPROVEMENT NEEDS TO BE. >> MARIE. >> ON BROADWAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT 45TH, BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER PLACES THAT FLOOD EXPONENTIALLY SINCE THE TECH STOP WORK WAS DONE. THIS IS ON SOME OTHER STREETS AS WELL. I KNOW WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE POLICY FOR IT. WE KNOW THAT THERE WERE DAMS LEFT IN PLACE. I KNOW LAST YEAR WAS BEING LOOKED AT AND IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE STILL SOME DAMS IN PLACE. ON BROADWAY, WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THAT? FOR THE CITIZENS, A DAM IS WHEN A STREET CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON AND THEY'LL PUT SANDBAGS IN PLACE TO STOP THE WATER SO THEY CAN WORK. WHAT WE FOUND WHEN I STARTED QUESTIONING THIS ON 355 IS THE TEXT CONTRACTOR LEFT 32 DAMS IN PLACE. WHEREAS IF I HADN'T QUESTIONED IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN, BUT I KNOW I'VE QUESTIONED BECAUSE NOW YOU CAN, LIKE I TOLD GUARANTEE YOU JAMAICA BEACH STILL HAS THEIR DAMS IN PLACE BECAUSE THEIR DRAINAGE DITCHES DON'T FLOW. BUT 45TH AND BROADWAY NEVER FLOODED LIKE IT FLOODS UNTIL THAT TXDOT PROJECT. WHERE ARE WE ON THE STATUS OF LOOKING AT? >> TXDOT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH DRAINAGE ON 45TH STREET. THERE WAS AN ISSUE WE DISCOVERED ON 43RD STREET AND THERE'S AN INTERCONNECTED. [05:10:01] >> THEY DIDN'T DO DRAINAGE. THEY DID A ROAD PROJECT, AND THEY STILL USED DIMS. >> NOT ON 45TH. >> ON BROADWAY. >> ON BROADWAY. >> THEY REPLACED SOME CULVERTS, I BELIEVE. >> YES THEY DID. >> REMEMBER THAT COLIN ON[OVERLAPPING] >> THAT WASN'T DONE ON 45TH. WE OPENED 45TH TRINA, OPENED 45TH STREET PACK UP. ON BROADWAY. A 45TH AND BROADWAY, WE DUG UP BROADWAY WE OPENED IT UP. >> BUT 45TH STILL HAD SOME OF THOSE ISSUES PREVIOUSLY WITH SANDBAGS LEFT. >> BUT THAT WAS NOT ON BROADWAY IT WAS DOWN THE STREETS. >> EVERY MAIN LAME PROJECT, I THINK WE WROTE A NEW ORDINANCE A WAY OF DOING BUSSES SO THEY CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. BUT HAVE WE CHECKED ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ALL OF A SUDDENLY, THERE ARE NEW ROADS, AND IT'S ESPECIALLY IN THAT 40S AREA, WHERE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL YOU, THEY CALL ME. HAVE WE CHECKED TO MAKE SURE ALL THE DAMS WE MAY HAVE IDENTIFIED HAVE BEEN REMOVED? [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN I GET A REPORT ON THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT TRINA DID A REPORT. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE HIS FILES. I DON'T KNOW THAT HE DID. I'LL CHECK THE EMAILS. I DON'T KNOW THERE WAS A FORMAL REPORTER IN THIS FIELD OF INVESTIGATIONS THAT WENT ON AND HOW THEY CHECKED ALL UP AND DOWN 45TH[OVERLAPPING] >> I KNOW THERE WERE ROADS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WORKED ON YET. I'M JUST RELYING TO GET A DAM PAPER. >> AS PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION, THAT'S WHERE WE PRIORITIZE THESE DIP PROJECTS, THE AVENUE P AND F AND THE S AND F, STEMMING OFF OF 45TH STREET. THAT'S PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION, BECAUSE THOSE ALSO IMPACT 43RD. >> CORRECT. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE TO 37TH AND S AND 45TH AND BROADWAY. ONE OF YOU'LL JUST TALKED ABOUT. 37TH AND S, I THINK WE GOT? >> IT'S FIXED. IT DRAIN LIKE A CHAMP YESTERDAY. >> YESTERDAY, IT DID? >> IT DID. WHAT DAY IT RAIN I DRAIN JUST ABOUT LESS THAN AN INCH BETWEEN LIKE SIX. >> YESTERDAY, WE HAD AN INCH AND A HALF OF RAIN, I DROVE RIGHT AFTER THE RAIN AND I DROVE RIGHT THROUGH IT. A LITTLE BIT OF WATER IN THE DIP. THAT WAS IT. >> WAS IT THE DAY BEFORE THEN, MAYBE? >> NO. THAT'S THE ONLY RAIN WE HAD THIS WEEK OF SUBSTANCE. >> LAST WEEK? >> IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE IN THIS CITY. >> IT WAS STILL RAINING WHEN I DROVE THROUGH IT. >> IT'S ABOUT EIGHT? >> YEAH. LET'S SEE, WE HAD IN THREE QUARTER INCH ACCORDING TO THE CENTER POINT GAUGE. >> IT HELD WATER DURING THE INTERSECTION DURING THE RAIN, BUT IT DRAINED OUT. >> IT WAS ALKALINE AND DUE TO DRAINAGE, IT WAS MOVING AND THAT WATER WAS MOVING. THOSE RESIDENTS WOULD CALL ME EVERY SINGLE TIME IN RAIN BECAUSE IT WASN'T MOVING, AND I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY CALLS THIS WEEK ON IT. >> I WENT THROUGH PROBABLY. >> THAT'S A CREDIT TO ROB AND TYSON TOO. THEY REALLY WORKED THAT THEY GOT HANDED A BAD HAND AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THAT WAS DESIGNED UNDER THE PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER. THEY PIVOTED AND ADDRESSED IT GIVEN THE HAND THAT THEY WERE DELTA OVER THERE AND GOT IT. WE PROBABLY OPTIMIZED AS MUCH AS WE COULD AT A MINIMAL COST ON THAT. >> 45TH BROADWAY, WHAT CAN WE DO THERE? AS FAR AS THAT WATER JUST COMING UP BIG. >> 43RD AND BROADWAY IS WORSE THAN 45TH. >> 45TH IS BAD. >> 45TH HAS FLOODED MY ENTIRE LIFE. >> EVEN IN TEXAS HEROES NOT A BUCHES SINCE THAT WORK. >> NO. I DON'T EVEN TRY THAT. >> I'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS. >> HERE 56, AND MY WIFE WENT TO SCHOOL A BLOCK FROM BROADWAY ON 45TH AND HER DADDY HAD TO WADE IN TO GET HER AFTER SCHOOL. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ACCEPTABLE. WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. >> WELL, NO, I GUESS I'VE JUST HELPED ME. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU. I'VE JUST HELPED PG OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES. YEAH. >> NO, IT'S ROUGH WHEN. >> ACTUALLY WHEN THEY OWN THE PEOPLE THAT PREVIOUSLY OWNED IT, HER DADDY HAD THE GROCERY STORE THERE. THEY USED TO HAVE TO SANDBAG IT BACK IN THE 50S TO KEEP IT FROM FLOODING. BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THERE IS THE DAM CREATED AT BROADWAY. IT'S NOT SANDBAGS. IT'S THE FACT THAT BROADWAY'S FOOT AND A HALF HIGHER THAN THE END OF THE STREET. >> WITH A CONTINUOUS OVERLAYS? >> YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS IS THOSE TWO INLETS ON BROADWAY, THEY CATCH IT AND THEY FLOW IT BACK TO AVENUE HELL, WHERE EACH OF THOSE DRAINS IS SUPPOSED TO BE CATCHING AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO KEEP GOING. WELL IT HITS BROADWAY, IT JUST BACKS UP. THAT'S A LOWER BROADWAY 4 " AND THEY REMOLD IT THERE, BUT IT'S NOT LOW ENOUGH. >> IS THAT SOMETHING INVOLVED HERE OF BEING ABLE TO FIX THAT. WHAT IS IT? >> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO TOTALLY BE 100% RESOLVED UNTIL YOU GET THE PUMP STATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OFFICE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO PICK UP ON THAT AVENUE L LINE. THAT AVENUE L LINE IS DOING ALL IT CAN DO. [05:15:01] WE HAVE TV THE ENTIRE AVENUE. >> WHAT IS THE DIAMETER THERE? [OVERLAPPING] >> I WAS IN IT. I GOT IN IT. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] IT'S REALLY BIG WE CUT THE TOP OF IT OFF AND WE TV IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 50 GOOD GOD 50 SOMETHING STREET. >> WHEN IS THE LAST TIME IT'S BEEN SURVEYED WITH A CAMERA? LESS THAN SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO. >> OKAY. >> WHO DID BROADWAY FOR TEXT? >> ANGEL BROTHERS. >> YEAH. IT WAS ANGEL BROTHERS. >> ANGEL'S BROTHER IS NOW JASON PETERS? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE SAME ONE WHO DID THREE? YES. FIVE. ALL RIGHT. >> NOW TO THE SEA WALL ONE. >> THE NEXT PART. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE FOR IT? >> I GOT STILL GOT A QUESTION ON THE STORM, RIGHT AHEAD. ON THE 14TH STREET, A PUMP STATION, PRELIMINARY WORK WHEN THEY WERE HAVING TO RELOCATE THE ELECTRICAL DUCK BANKS AND THEY TORE UP POST OFFICE STREET. IS THAT THE PROJECT DONE NOW? >> YES, IT IS. IT IS. YEAH. THEY WERE STILL STRIKING. >> YEAH. WE'RE DOUBLE CHECKING DOING FINAL PUNCH STEMS RIGHT NOW. BUT THE MAJOR WORK IS DONE. THERE'S SOME SURFACE STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE FINISHED UP. >> CORRECT. THEY WERE DOING THE INTERSECTION AT 15TH? YES. >> I NOTICE THE BIKE LINE HADN'T BEEN STRIKE PUT BACK. YEAH. >> THAT'S THE LIST. >> THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> VERY GOOD. >> WHAT WAS YOUR NEXT QUESTION [OVERLAPPING] >> I GOT AN UPDATE ON. >> UPCOMING PROJECTS IDENTIFIED IN. >> THE DIP PROJECT UPDATE? THE DIP PROJECT. I BRIEFLY WENT OVER THERE WITH YOU. THE TWO MAIN ONES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MOBILIZING ON NEXT ARE THE 45TH AVENUE, P AND A HALF AND THEN S AND HALF AS WELL BE. >> RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 45TH AND 47TH STREET AT P AND A HALF. THAT BLOCK HOLDS WATER. >> ITS ALL OVER. >> WELL, I MEAN, IT HITS THOSE FOUR CULVERT, CIRCULATES AROUND AND THEN RUNS BACK UP TO AVENUE P, IT'S CRAZY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO. NOW KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE 47 STREET SYSTEM, WHICH ALSO HITS THE AVENUE P SYSTEM. I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONLY SYSTEM WE HAVE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE SOME OF THAT WATER THERE TO KEEP IT FROM HOLDING IN THAT ONE BLOCK IN FRONT OF TOM'S THUMB AND THAT SO MUCH. THAT'S THE DEEP POINT THAT WE FOUND. THE OTHER IS WE WERE GATHERING WATER JUST NORTH OF 45TH AND AUDACIOUS WHAT WE DISCOVERED THERE IS THERE IS A LINE ON S AND A HALF THAT RUNS FROM 43RD ALL THE WAY TO 47 STREET. FIRST THING WE DID IS ON 47TH STREET, WE INSTITUTED A WHAT I CALLED AN OVERFLOW, WHICH IS A 12 INCH LINE THAT TIES GOOD AND RUNS TO THE 48TH STREET SYSTEM, WHICH IS AN UNDER CAPACITY SYSTEM. WE HAVE AN OVERFLOW THERE. BUT WHAT WE DID FIND IS THAT FROM 45TH TO ACTUALLY IT'S 46-47, THE BOX CHOKES DOWN BY WHAT ABOUT ALMOST A FOOT GOES TO YEAH. GOES TO A TWO BY TWO [OVERLAPPING] FOR A BLOCK AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY. WE'RE GOING TO UPSIZE IT SO IT'S A CONTINUOUS FLOW AND THAT'LL HELP THE VOLUME. >> KEEP IT OUT OF THAT 45TH LOW AREA. >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL KEEP IT OUT, BUT IT'LL SURELY DRAIN IT FASTER AT LEAST. THEN ONCE YOU GET THE PUMP STATION GOING AND THAT AVENUE P LINE STAYS EVACUATED, THIS WILL BE MUCH LESS OF A PROBLEM. >> ARRAY? >> CORAK GOFF PALMS WOODS? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT STARTING THAT? >> GLEE PROJECT, IS IT GLEE? >> WELL, IT'S THAT WHOLE AREA. >> THEY'RE WORKING. I'VE BEEN DOING E-MAILS ON THAT TODAY. WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT NOW [OVERLAPPING] >> EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WE'RE AT LEAST GOING TO GET A PUMP TRUCK BECAUSE THE LAST TWO RAINS, PEOPLE HAD TO PARK OUT ON THREE D FIVE AND WALK TO THEIR PROPERTIES. >> TO FAMILIARIZE EVERYBODY THERE. THE ISSUE WE HAVE THERE, IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TRADITIONALLY DRAINED TO THE BEACH. THEY COULDN'T DRAIN TO THE BEACH ANYMORE. THEN, THE SUBDIVISION WAS RE-SLOPED TO DRAIN TO TEXTILE. WHEN TEXTILE RECUT IT, THEIR DITCH IS PROBABLY A FOOT HIGHER. IN THAT RANGE THAN EVERYTHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. >> WHY DON'T WE MAKE TEXTILE RAISE THE DITCH? >> THE DITCH IS ALREADY RAISED. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> BEACH IS HIGH THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ISN'T THE PROBLEM? >> NO. BUT THAT'S NOT FLOWING. HAS THAT AREA, IN FRONT OF SEVEN CS EVER BEEN? HAVE WE MADE SURE THE DAMS BEEN REMOVED FROM THAT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MOVE. >> YOU GO TO SUBMITTED THAT REQUEST TO HERE. >> I MEAN, EVEN WHEN IT'S TALL. WATER THAT'S ALMOST EVEN WITH THREE D FIVE, THERE IS NO FLOW. YOU MIGHT WANT TO JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE THE DAM. I DON'T KNOW WHY. WE DIDN'T CHARGE TEXTILE FOR THAT WORK. >> CHARGE? I WOULDN'T PAY HIM [LAUGHTER] >> IS ON YET. ALL RIGHT. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS [OVERLAPPING] YES [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE HANDOUT I PROVIDED IS A COPY OF THE 26 CIP FOR DRAINAGE. COUNCILMAN PRETA ASKED THIS MORNING AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OTHER PUMP STATIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THIS HAS A NUMBER OF PUMP STATIONS AS WELL AS OTHER DRAINAGE PROJECTS FROM THE MASTER PLAN SHOWN ON IT, AND WHEN THEY WOULD BE FEASIBLY PROGRAMMED MOVING FORWARD. [05:20:04] >> BASICALLY ONE TO 22, THAT'S THE PRIORITIZATION OF IT CORRECT? >> YES. AS YOU GO THROUGH THE MATRIX TO THE RIGHT WITH FISCAL YEARS, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY WOULD BE PROGRAM DESIGN OR CONSTRUCTION. >> YOU CAN ALSO SEE YOUR O&M COST OVER THERE THAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT EARLIER, 700,000 FOR THE SOUTH SHORE DRIVE IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS AFTER IT COMES ONLINE. I THINK THAT'S JUST PURE O&M. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF SOME OF THOSE PUMPS. WE HAVE ABOUT 3.5 MILLION DOLLAR WORTH OF PUMPS IN THAT PROJECT. THAT NEED TO BE SERVICED AND REWOUND AND REPLACED AT SOME POINT. >> I MEAN, IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE WHILE I'M HERE, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY IN THE DRAINAGE. THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY IN THE DRAINAGE. YOU COULD I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN UPPER LIMIT AS TO HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD PUT IN THE DRAINAGE. IF YOU TRULY WANT, WE GET CALLS FROM EVERYBODY FROM THERE'S A PUDDLE IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE TO THE STREETS FLOODED AND WE ADDRESS THEM IN PRIORITY ORDER. >> BUT WHAT'S 53RD STREET DRAINAGE PROJECT LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS 53RD STREET PRETTY GOOD? >> CHECK NUMBER ON THE FRONT PAGE NUMBER 14. >> THAT ONE WAS RELATED TO THE ISN'T THAT A PUMP STATION OVER BY THE SECOND LAKES WATER TREATMENT PLAN. >> YES, IT IS. >> THAT ONE IS 53RD NORTH. YEAH. THAT'S 53RD THERE. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DO HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT AT THE BACKSIDE OF ANDERSON B. I GOT. IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH A ENGLISH BAYU TYPE OF PUMP STATION AND CATCH ANY SPILLOVER THAT COMES FROM THAT. OVERALL ON THE ISLAND, YOU'VE GOT TWO BASIC ISSUES. YOU'VE GOT UNDERSIZED TRAINS. BECAUSE FOR YEARS, THE CITY OF GALVESTON NEVER MADE ANYBODY DO ANY RETENTION AND DETENTION, EVERYBODY JUST DUMPS IN THE STREET. WE'RE TAKING EVERYBODY'S WATER, WHICH IS FINE. BUT YOUR PIPES ARE UNDERSIZED FROM THAT. YOU HAVE WAY TOO LONG OF RUNS OF DRAINAGE PIPES. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT 100 YEARS LATER. YOU DROP OF WATER THAT FALLS AT 45TH AND YOU IS TRAVELING MILES AND MILES IN A PIPE. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR DRAINAGE. IT STACKS AND IT'S GOING TO IT DRAINS. IT DOES. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T HOLD WATER FOR DAYS. IT RUNS OUT AS SOON AS THE PIPE DISCHARGES, BUT IT STACKS UP JUST LIKE STANDING IN LINE OR SITTING IN TRAFFIC ON THE FREEWAY. THOSE ARE PROBLEMS AND I DON'T I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT THERE'S IMMEDIATE UNLESS YOU STARTED BUYING UP PROPERTY AND PUTTING IN RETENTION PONDS, HOW THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. OF COURSE, THOSE ARE GOING TO FILL UP THE SALT WATER ANYWAY. >> WE STARTED CHARGING THE CITY A DRAINAGE FEE. THEY GET THEM FIXED FASTER FOR OVERLOADING THE SYSTEM. CHARGE A JOKE FOR CITIZENS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DRAINAGE FEE? >> NO. I MEAN, I PITY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS IN 10 YEARS BECAUSE IT'S A BIG PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. >> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON HERE THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES DOWNTOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. IS ANYTHING ON THIS LIST IMPACT DOWNTOWN FLOODING OR IS THAT A SEPARATE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IN YOUR MASTER PLAN? >> CAN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THE 18TH STREET PUMP STATION IS ONE THAT WILL INTERCEPT FROM IT'S DONE. BUT THERE SHOULD BE A LINE ON 21ST, WHICH I DON'T SEE ON MIGHT HAVE MISSED TITLED, THERE WAS ONE ON 21ST, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY TAKE A GOOD PORTION OF MARKET STREET, POST OFFICE CHURCH AND RUN THAT OVER TO THE 18TH STREET LINE BECAUSE THERE'S ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THAT AND FEEDING FOR THAT PUMP STATION WILL EVACUATE FREE DOESN'T DO THAT. >> NO, IT'S TOO FAR. >> THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT DOWNTOWN. >> WELL, THERE IS, THIS IS ACTUALLY 100 YEAR MASTER PLAN. >> WE'VE ONLY PUT IT DOWN FOR 10 YEARS, SUBJECT, STILL THE PRICE TAG ON IT. >> I THINK THE PRICE TAG WAS 540 MILLION IN TODAY'S DOLLARS. >> YES, THE ENTIRE 100 YEAR TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'VE GOT TO JUST TAKE BITES AT THE APPLE AT THIS POINT. >> WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE PLAN OUT. IT'S JUST HOW WE PRIORITIZE IT, HOW THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES COME ABOUT BECAUSE 90% OF THIS IS GOING TO BE FUNDED WITH GRANT MONEY. THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT WE CAN AFFORD. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT PAY FOR THOSE DOWNTOWN GRANT PLAN IS PART OF THE 100- YEAR PLAN. IT IS NOT ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER. THAT'S. >> EXACTLY RIGHT. >> THESE ARE PRIORITY. >> WHAT WE STRUGGLE WITH DOWNTOWN IS BEATING THE LMI. WHEN THESE FEDERAL GRANTS COME ON, IT JUST WE HAVE A HARD TIME MEETING THAT. >> BECAUSE IT'S PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL. THE COMMERCIAL DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR YOUR LOAD OF MODERATE INCOME REQUIREMENTS. LIKE SOUTH SHORE DRIVE, THAT WAS A BIG PART OF THAT GRANT APPLICATION, AND YOU GOT A LOT OF POINTS ON THAT GRANT APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THE LMI REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING. >> WAS IT THE 14TH STREET PUMP STATION PROVED LONG BEFORE THAT? [05:25:04] >> YEAH. THAT WAS MITIGATION. >> MITIGATE COMING THROUGH. >> NOTHING'S HAPPENING WITH IT. >> THERE IT IS. >> WHAT? >> YOU'RE FOR BEN ARE WE? >> YEAH. >> FOUR. >> BUT WE SPLIT THE PROJECT UP INTO TWO PIECES. >> I'M PUTTING BACK TOGETHER. I'M GOING TO MAKE IT ALTERNATES IS WHAT IT IS, SO YES. WE'RE GOING TO BIT IT AS ONE FULL PROJECT GIVEN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND SEPARATE IT OUT AS ALTERNATES FOR THE PUMP STATION WILL BE BID ALTERNATE NUMBER 1, AND THEN THE COLLECTION SYSTEM WILL BE AN ALTERNATE SOUTH OF BROADWAY. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SEE WHERE THINGS FALL BID WISE. >> YOU MEAN NORTH OF BROADWAY? >> NO, SOUTH OF BROADWAY. THE BASE WILL BE THE GRAVITY SYSTEM NORTH OF BROADWAY. ALTERNATE ONE IS THE PUMP STATION? >> OKAY. ALL THE WAY TO THE PUMP, AND THEN IMPROVEMENTS FROM. >> SOUTH OF BROADWAY WOULD BE ALTERNATE NUMBER 2. LIKE WE DID ON SOUTH SHORE WHERE WE CUT IT OFF AT AVENUE S. TO THE SOUTH GOING TOWARDS KROGER IN THE CEMETERY JUST BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE FUNDING FOR IT. THE THOUGHT IS, IF WE HAVE FUNDING FOR AT LEAST THE GRAVITY SYSTEM, THE GRAY SYSTEM BASE B FROM BROADWAY UP TO THE SHIFT CHANNEL. IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WE'LL TACKLE THE PUMP STATION NEXT. THEN ANYTHING UP, WE EVEN GET TO THAT POINT WHEN BE THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS. >> BECAUSE WE RECEIVED THE GRANT FOR THE PUMP STATION 1. >> WE WENT BACK TO 2017, AND THEN IT WAS THE WHOLE BITE AT THE APPLE. THEN WE WENT THROUGH DESIGN, AND THEN THE DESIGN COSTS CAME IN A WHOLE LOT MORE. THEN WE WENT BACK TO FIMA TO ASK FOR [INAUDIBLE], TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY, AND THEN WORKED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THAT TOOK YEARS TO GET A DECISION. THEN YOU GET HIT WITH ALL THE INFLATION AFTER THE PANDEMIC, AND THEN IT'S JUST EXACERBATED THINGS EVER SINCE THEN. >> ALSO, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE FIRST OFFITS PROJECT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE I THINK THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON THAT AVENUE P SYSTEM, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST LINES IN THE SYSTEM. >> VERY LARGE DRAINAGE AREA IMPACT. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? >> IS MY? >> YES, SIR. >> THE CDBG GRANT OF FISCAL YEAR 2025. LOOKS LIKE WE REALLY HAVEN'T SPENT ANY OF THAT. >> CORRECT. >> WHAT'S THE REASON? >> THE CDBG GRANT. WHICH ONE TALK IN THE HARVEY CDBG, ARE WE TALKING THE REGULAR? >> WE'VE SPENT $13,972 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. WE HAVE TWO MILLION $500,000 REMAINING FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025. WE HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ITEMIZED IN THE BUDGET THAT ARE STILL REMAINING. >> WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING? >> THAT WOULD BE DEPARTMENT DRAINAGE PROJECT NAME, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, PROJECT LOCATION, CITYWIDE. PROJECT DESCRIPTION IN THE CITY WANT A COMPETITIVE CDBG. >> THAT'S THE DIP PROJECT. >> THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. THIS ONE WE'VE JUST STARTED ON, MAYBE LIKE IN FEBRUARY, I WANT TO SAY, AFTER EQUIPMENT ACQUISITION, WHAT HAVE YOU, WE STARTED WITH THE DITCHING WORK, AND WE HAD TO ORDER MATERIALS. THERE WAS A LONG LEAD TIME ON THE MATERIALS, AND NOW WE'RE WAITING TO DO UTILITY OFFSETS BEFORE WE GO OUT AND DO IT AND THROW IN SOME EQUIPMENT BREAKDOWN ISSUES IN THERE AND IT GETS US TO TODAY. THAT'S A PILOT PROGRAM. >> WE'RE IN END OF JUNE. MONDAY, JULY 1ST, MEANS WE'VE GOT SIX MONTHS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS MONEY. >> NO. THIS MONEY IS FROM THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATE. ROLLS OVER AS PART OF OUR CAPITAL PLAN. >> IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S FROM A CDBG MIT GRANT. >> PROBABLY A TYPO ON THE WRONG LINE OVER THERE BECAUSE THAT IS DEFINITELY OUT OF THE FOUR B. I'VE GOT THREE BOARD MEMBER, FOUR BOARD MEMBERS SITTING DOWN HERE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT AS WELL. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> NO. THIS IS THE LOWER LEVEL SERVICE. FOR 2.5, THEY GOT APPROVED BY THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. >> WHICH PROJECT? >> THE DIPP, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PILOT PROGRAM. >> UNDER INFRASTRUCTURE? >> YEAH, IDC INFRASTRUCTURE SLO. >> THAT'S A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE'RE JUST KICKING OFF. IT ROLLS OVER YEAR TO YEAR. WE'VE ESTIMATED WHAT THE COSTS WERE, AND WE WILL BE DIALING THOSE IN AS WE CONTINUE THE PROGRESS. >> WE ALREADY APPROVED PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT AND SO FORTH. >> CORRECT. >> HOW MUCH OF THAT HAS BEEN DONE? >> WE GOT THE EQUIPMENT. EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN PURCHASED, AND WE STARTED OUT AT PIRATES BEACH. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DITCHING WORK THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON. [05:30:03] THERE'S STILL A LITTLE MORE DITCHING WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO ON AT PIRATES BEACH, I THINK TO REALLY TIME TOGETHER. THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH AVENUE P AND A HALF AND AVENUE S AND A HALF. ALL OF THIS USUALLY GETS RECONCILED QUARTERLY, SO YOU MAY NOT BE LOOKING AT THE LATEST NUMBERS. WHENEVER ROB PUT THIS TOGETHER, THIS WAS FEBRUARY. THESE ARE FEBRUARY'S EXPENDITURES AS OF THIS. WE NEED TO UPDATE THESE NUMBERS AFTER WE MEET WITH CHILLA ON THE CIP NEXT WEEK, I THINK THAT MEETING IS. >> ROB YOU PUT THIS TOGETHER? >> YES, SIR. >> IF I'M READING THIS JUST AS A LAYMAN, WE BASICALLY HAVE ONLY SPENT $14,000 AS OF THE END OF FEBRUARY? >> ON THE PROJECT. WHEN DID I SEE AWARD THE BANK? >> IT WAS LIKE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE EVEN STARTED. >> THAT'S LAST YEAR AND I THOUGHT WE APPROVE, THERE WAS EQUIPMENT THAT WAS ALREADY. >> MAYBE OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THE EQUIPMENT GOT PURCHASED BY COUNSEL OR [OVERLAPPING]. >> THEN WHY IS IT SAYING ONLY 14,000. >> WE CAN GET YOU SOME UPDATED NUMBERS ON THIS. THESE ARE NOT THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, NO. BUT, I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WAS LAST QUARTER OR QUARTER BEFORE LAST. I WOULD BE THINKING THAT FEBRUARY WOULD SHOW THAT THEY HAD PURCHASED EQUIPMENT IF IT WAS BOUGHT OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. >> I THINK IT WAS PURCHASED LAST SEPTEMBER. I CAN PULL THE INFORMATION FROM THE AGENDA. >> THIS'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT WE'VE GOT MONEY THERE, EVEN IF WE'VE GOT INTERSECTIONS WE CAN DEAL WITH, IF WE'VE GOT DRAINAGE ON THE WEST END. I MEAN, IT'S NOT EARMARKED FOR A CERTAIN SECTION FROM WHAT IT SAYS. IT'S SAYING PROJECT IS INTENDED TO ADDRESS SUNNY DAY FLOODING IN ONE OF THE LOWEST LINE AREAS BEHIND THE SEAWALL. IT'S PRETTY AMBIGUOUS AS FAR AS WHERE YOU'RE WORKING AT. >> SUNNY DAY FLOODING. >> YES. >> THE APERVI PORT. >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S GOOD THAT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THERE THAT'S NOT EARMARKED FOR SPECIFICS. SPECIFIC LOCATIONS ARE AREAS. AM I READING THAT RIGHT? >> UNDER THE DIPP PROJECT. >> YEAH. >> WHAT ARE STIPULATIONS OF THE DIPP PROJECT? >> THE DIPP PROJECT WE TAKE IT TO IT'S BASED ON THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN, THE LOWER LEVEL SERVICE PROJECTS THAT IDENTIFY HOT SPOT ISSUES WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PERETO WAS REFERENCING EARLIER. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE AND WE TOOK IT TO THE IDC BOARD WITH AN ITEMIZED LIST ON THESE ARE THE ONES WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE. A LOT OF THOSE PRIORITIES WERE BASED ON NUMBER 1, THE MODELING, NUMBER 2 THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE SOUTH SHORE DRIVE PUMP STATION OVER THERE THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP TYING IN AND SOME OTHER ONE Z2, ZS THING. PART OF THAT, WE GO THROUGH THE CAPITAL PLANNING PROCESS EVERY YEAR. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WITH A FRESH LENS. IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT RISE TO THE TOP. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND HAVE THEM [INAUDIBLE]. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND WHEN YOU UPDATE THIS ITEMIZATION AND WHAT WE'VE SPENT, CAN YOU ALSO GIVE US THAT PRIORITY LIST THAT YOU SAID WAS CREATED? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SPECIFIC TO THIS. >> THE DIPP. >> YEAH. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JANELLE, LET'S GO TO [INAUDIBLE]. [3.M Current status and total number of manhole supercovers installed to date (Robb/Porretto)] >> CURRENT STATUS AND TOTAL NUMBER OF MANHOLE SUPER COVERS INSTALLED TO DATE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> ALL RIGHT. MARIE, WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THE NUMBER. >> WELL, SO IN THE PAST, WE COULD HAVE WHEN WE'VE HAD SOME LARGE RAINS. I RECEIVED CALLS FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE CITY. RAW SEWAGE COMING OUT OF THE MANHOLE COVERS. I THINK IT WAS LIKE LAST SEPTEMBER AND I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY PURCHASED A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF THE SUPER COVERS THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM. THAT WE ALL KNOW ALSO HELPS US WITH I&I. >> THE FIRST TRAUNCH OUT, AND THEN WE JUST GOT OUR SECOND LOAD OF THEM IN BECAUSE WE USED EVERY ONE OF THEM THAT WE ORDER, GOT THEM ALL INSTALLED, AND WE JUST GOT THE SECOND ORDER IN. >> MAY 22ND. >> MAY 22ND, SORRY, SIT THERE. >> COULD YOU GIVE US A LIST OF WHERE THEY WERE INSTALLED AND WHATNOT? >> SURE. >> WE CAN SEE HOW IT CORRELATES WHERE THE SEWAGE ISSUES HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCED. WITH THIS DO WITH THE NEW BATCH, WE CAN ADDRESS THE AREAS THAT PEOPLE HAD RAW SEWAGE RUNNING THROUGH THEIR STREET, [05:35:08] MARINA AND STUART ROAD, I COULD GIVE YOU A LIST OF STREETS. >> THEY'RE NOT AN INDOOR SOLUTION EITHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO VENT EVERY SO MANY 1,500 FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS. YOU CAN'T JUST PUT THEM EVERYWHERE. >> WELL, BUT YOU CAN WHERE WE HAVE THE BIGGEST ISSUE. >> AS LONG AS THERE ARE NOT TWO OF THEM, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE 1,500 FEET, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VAN OR ELSE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES, BUT YEAH AB IS WORKING ON IT. >> IT ALSO DEPENDS ON ELEVATION, GROUND ELEVATION. WHERE THE LOWEST AREA IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO OVERFLOW. FOR MARINA, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF FISHERMAN'S UNFORTUNATELY IS THE LOWEST AREA. THE REASON WE DON'T PUT A SUPER COVER IN THAT LOCATION IS BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO GO RIGHT OUT OF THE GREASE TRAP NEXT. YOU'RE JUST PUSHING THE ISSUE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CAUSE MORE ISSUES FOR HOMEOWNERS OR BUSINESS OWNERS, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE A SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE. >> I THINK IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT ONE CORNER OF THE DITCHES THERE THAT HAVE CONSTANTLY OVERFLOWED AND ALWAYS MILL OF SEWAGE THAT WOULD HELP AS WELL. >> WHAT GREASE TRAP DO THEY HAVE IS A BIG DIP FOR GREASE TRAP? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? >> NO. THIS ISN'T THERE EITHER. >> ACTUALLY Y'ALL SAYING, THE PRINCIPLE APPLIES YOU CAN'T PUSH IT UPHILL. >> YEAH. THAT LOCATION IS INTERESTING TOO BECAUSE ALL OF PIRATES BEACH SEWAGE ACTUALLY FLOWS TO THAT LOCATION. THERE IS A HIGH VOLUME OF I&I THAT ALL GOES TO THAT SINGULAR LOCATION. OUR O&M TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON SMOKE TESTING PIRATES BEACH AREA TO REALLY TRY AND FIND THE SOLUTION TO THE ISSUE AND WORK OUR WAY BACKWARDS TOWARDS THAT. >> PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE FLOW THAT GOES ACTUALLY THROUGH THE COUNTRY CLUB AND THEN OUT TO THE BAY. BUT THAT ONE INTERSECTION THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN CLOGGED. >> IT'S A VERY HIGH FLOW AREA. >> HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE LIFT? >> THE LIFT STATION IS A QUARTER MILE. >> I THOUGHT. >> BUT YOU HAVE ALL OF PIRATES BEACH THAT FLOWS AND BEACHSIDE VILLAGE THAT ACTUALLY FLOWS TO THAT STATION PIRATES BEACH CIRCLE. IT IS A VERY HIGH. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT AREAS. I'M TALKING ABOUT MARINA AND STUART. >> EVERYTHING GOES [NOISE] WHICH THEN GOES TO PLAIN, COMPLAINT. ACTUALLY, THE MANHOLE IN FRONT OF WATERMAN'S, I BELIEVE, WAS REPLACED WITH THE SUPER. THE END OF THE LINE IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE RIGHT THERE BEFORE STUART. THAT IS ACTUALLY SMALLER FLUSHER MANHOLE, THOUGH, IS WHAT WE CALL THAT. WE HAVE SOME OTHER COVERS THAT ARE APPLICABLE FOR USE THERE, AND WE HAVE THAT ONE ON THE LIST. BUT THAT'S NOT ONE THAT IS A SUPER COVER ON. THAT'S WHAT WE JUST REPLACED AT 57TH STREET AND ALL OF THOSE A COUPLE OF FLUSHER MANHOLES. THOSE ARE MORE ON OUR RADAR NOW. >> I JUST THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A PROMISE TO OUR CITIZENS THAT WE SHOULD [INAUDIBLE] SEWAGE IN THE STREET. I THINK IT'S PRETTY BASIC. >> THEY DID IDENTIFY CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE INTENDED TO USE THESE THIS MOST RECENT BATCH FOR, WHICH ARE MAINLY AROUND THE AIRPORT, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AREA. A LOT OF THESE OTHER AREAS ARE NOT NECESSARILY NEW, BUT WE NEED TO EXPAND. >> SUPER COVERS ARE REALLY CATCHING ON TO WHAT WAS NORMALLY A THREE MONTH LEAD TIME TOOK US SIX MONTHS TO GET THEM. I'VE TOLD TYSON AND AVA, GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE NEXT TRUNCH OF THEM NOW, AND LET'S HAVE THEM AND JUST WAREHOUSE THEM. NOW WE'RE WORKING ON A SIX MONTH TIMELINE INSTEAD OF A THREE MONTHS. CAN WE GET A LIST OF WHERE THEY WERE INSTALLED AND THEN WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT INSTALLING IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> YEAH. ALL OF OUR FUTURE INSTALLATIONS ARE BASED ON OUR WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. WE'VE DONE FLOW TESTING THROUGH OUR PRELIMINARY DATA, AND IT'S IDENTIFIED THE WORST POCKETS OF OUR SEWER THAT HAS THE MOST INI. THAT IS OUR TARGET. >> I KNOW YOU ARE DOING THE SMOKE TEST BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN SO MANY INTERESTING CALLS. THE ONE LADY'S LIKE, YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM DO THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PIPE THAT LEADS OUT OF MY HOUSE. I HAVE ASKED MAM, THIS IS A SMOKE TEST. THE ONLY TIME YOU WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE IS IF YOU HAD A SEWER PROBLEM. YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW AND IT'S NOT GOING TO COME OUT OF IT. I SAID, EVERY TOILET HAS A PIPE. [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] DID IT. >> NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. >> WE FOUND EVERY UNPERMITTED TOILET. UNDER THE HOUSES OR FLOOR DRAINS, AND IT'S POST PERMIT INSPECTION INSTALLATIONS. WE FOUND A LOT OF THOSE. >> JUST TIED IN. FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANYTHING ELSE. [05:40:05] >> I JUST WANT TO THANK THESE TWO AVA AND TYSON HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF THIS, AND I APPRECIATE IT. THEY'RE HITTING IT HARD. HERE LOTS OF GOOD THINGS. >> DR. HIFELD WOULD BE PROUD. [LAUGHTER] >> I KNOW SHOULD HAVE SHOWN IT OUT. >> [OVERLAPPING] YEAH. HOW YOU WORK WITH THAT GUY. >> YEAH, HE'S SPECIAL [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, GUYS. [3.N Discussion and Update on South Shore Pump Station (Porretto/Rawlins/Finklea - 15 min)] >> LET'S MOVE TO 3N. IS IT NANCY, PLEASE? >> THREE N. DISCUSSION AND UPDATE ON SOUTH SHORE PUMP STATION. >> YES, BOB. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> IT'S ALMOST GOOD EVENING. >> GETTING CLOSE, ISN'T IT? WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS CLEAR HOW THAT. >> THAT WORKS. >> ALL RIGHT. DID YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS FIRST, YOU JUST OUT [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHERE ARE WE ON WELL, I HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYTHING GOING ON, BUT WHERE ARE WE ON, I GUESS, ACQUIRING THE EASEMENTS. >> OKAY. EASEMENTS RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE SEVEN OVERALL WE'RE PROCURING. ONE OF THEM WAS FULLY EXECUTED YESTERDAY, TOO, I HAVE VERBAL COMMITMENTS ON. EVERYBODY HAS UNTIL THE END OF THIS WEEK TOMORROW TO DO THEIR VOLUNTARY REACH OUT. THEN WE START OUR PROCESS OF REACHING OUT TO THEM ON MONDAY TO GO AHEAD AND FINALIZE THOSE EASEMENTS. >> WE'RE FOLLOWING THE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE HOPING NOT TO, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS, JUST IN CASE. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE EASEMENT TRICK. >> ALL THE EMINENT DOMAIN S IS ON TEMPORARY BASIS ONLY. >> IT'S TEMPORARY. YES. >> SEEMS CRAZY TO GO THAT ROUTE. >> WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE MEDIA OR THE MARK NOT A MEDIA PLAN, PUBLIC MEETINGS, STUFF LIKE THAT. IT'S BEEN ODDLY QUIET AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING A LITTLE ANS. >> CORRECT. PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, WHAT THEY'RE SEEING HAPPENING IN THE RIGHT AWAY IS TEXAS GAS IS WORKING ON GETTING THEIR LINES OUT OF THE WAY. AT&T HAS DONE SOME WORK CENTER POINTS GETTING READY TO START RELOCATING THEIR LINES AS WELL. BUT YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY LARGE CIP TYPE CONSTRUCTION WORK BIG BOXES ARE COMING AND GOING ON THE GROUND, CORRECT. >> BEFORE WE DO, WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC INTEREST [OVERLAPPING]. >> WILL BE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC MEETING AS WE HAD MENTIONED. >> ANYBODY THAT MY WIFE WOULD KILL ME IF I DIDN'T ASK THIS QUESTION. ANYBODY THAT HASN'T RECEIVED NOTICE, PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THEIR FENCE REMOVED, SO TO SPEAK, OR THE CONTRACTORS YOU'RE ASKING TO. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE CONTRACTOR HAS REACHED OUT TO THE ONES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY. [OVERLAPPING]. >> IDENTIFIED IN THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> ON THE PLANS, CORRECT. IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE INCIDENTAL THAT SOMETHING FALLS DOWN AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH IT. BUT NO, ANYBODY THAT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS NEEDED AND FENCE RELOCATED HAS BEEN AS FAR AS I KNOW. >> NO I DON'T. [LAUGHTER] YEAH, I GOT A BEAGLE AND FINDS HER WAY OUT. >> EAGLES ARE WANDERS. >> YEAH. HER NOSE TAKES HER PLACES. >> BACK TO THE ON PUBLIC MEETINGS. ONCE WE HAVE THE EASEMENTS IN PLACE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FINALIZE THE SCHEDULE OF THE CONTRACTOR. THE TENANT IN PLANAR NOW IS TO SHEET FOR LATE JULY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET EVERYTHING ALL IN PLACE, AND THEN PROBABLY NTP EARLY. >> OKAY. THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD ENOUGH TO WHERE THE GLO DOESN'T SAY, GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK. WE GOT 18 MONTHS WHERE ARE WE ON TIMELINE IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, AND BE IN WHAT PERCENT COMPLETION ARE WE LOOKING AT? AS THE CONTRACTOR LOOKING AT? >> IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING HAPPEN STORM SEASONS RANGE THAT CAN REALLY THROW THINGS OUT OF WHACK. BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE AT THE 80% COMPLETION AT THAT POINT IN TIME. WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY GLO LOOK. AT THE END OF THIS CONTRACT TIME? WE HAVE THIS MUCH MORE TO DO. >> EVERYBODY'S GEARING UP TO BE MOVING FAIRLY QUICKLY. >> OH, YEAH. CORRECT. WE'RE WORKING ON ALL THE SUBMITTALS DONE RIGHT NOW. THAT WAY, THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THAT RFIS I'VE BEEN COMING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CONTRACTOR? WE'VE BEEN RESPONDING TO THEM NOW. WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE AND READY TO GO AS SOON AS WE HAVE ATP. >> THEN THINGS WILL START MOVING. I'LL START GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. >> ABSOLUTELY, [OVERLAPPING] YES. >> IT WILL BE NONSTOP. >> THEN WHEN TIMELINE, EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO PLAN, DO WE HAVE THE SYSTEM HOOKED UP TO P TO WHERE PEOPLE IN 45TH MIGHT SEE SOME RELIEF ON THE P SYSTEM. >> THE DURATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS 24 TO 30 MONTHS. ONCE EVERYTHING IS DONE AND WE'VE GOTTEN DONE ALL THE TESTING ON THE PUMP STATION IS TURNED OVER INTO SERVICE, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE TIME WHERE WE SEE THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE TWO YEARS TO A HALF. >> WHERE ARE WE WITH COST OVERRUNS THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY REQUESTS FOR? >> NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE IS NOT. >> HASN'T BET ANYBODY PICK APART THE PLANS YET OR. >> I DID THAT FIRST. THAT'S HOW [INAUDIBLE] THE FIRST. >> DOCTOR HAYES INDICATED THEY'VE GOT SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS ON SOME DIFFERENT THINGS TO MAYBE MAKE THINGS WORK BETTER FOR THEM OR BE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER FOR US. [05:45:01] THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THROUGH THE SUBMITTAL PROCESS. THAT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS AND KIND OF GOING ON. BUT NO HARD DOLLARS HAVE BEEN DEFINED. >> IN TERMS OF THE STREET OVERLAY OR REDOING THE STREET? >> YES. >> ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY IS WHY WE CHANGED THE POLICY GOING 100 FEET A STREET AT A TIME. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TO YOU TO MAKE IT EASIER. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S RESIDENTIAL? >> SURE. >> WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO LOOK AT THAT POLICY AND SAY, OKAY, WE CAN KNOCK OUT ONE SIDE OF THE STREET, THE WHOLE WAY DOWN AND THEN KNOCK OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THE WHOLE WAY DOWN, THAT WAY THERE IS AN ABILITY TO MOVE WITHOUT HAVING RESTRICTING THE COMPANY TO COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, I'VE GOT 100 FEET OF STREET, I HAVE TO TEAR UP, LAY UTILITIES, RELAY THE CONCRETE, AND THEN NOW I CAN START WITH THE NEXT THOUSAND FEET OF STREET. >> RIGHT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY AND THE SIZE OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN AND HOW WIDE THE STREET IS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE BASICALLY TAKING THE ENTIRE STREET FOR TWO STORY GREEN BOXES. THERE IS REALLY NO WAY TO DO HALF AND HALF, UNFORTUNATELY. KEEPING THE LIMIT THAT WE'VE BEEN ACTED PREVIOUSLY AT A SHORTER DISTANCE IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THIS SO UNFORTUNATELY. >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN [OVERLAPPING] COME IN TESTIFYING THAT BLOCK GO AHEAD AND GET IT AT LEAST RESTORED WITH A TEMPORARY SURFACE, THEN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT BAR INSTEAD OF TRYING TO STRING IT OUT 100 FEET OR MORE. >> THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE JUST THE BIGGER STORM DRAIN CAPACITY UNDERNEATH THE STREET NEEDS TO BE THE WHOLE STREET, 01,000 FEET AT TIME TO MAKE IT WORK. >> CORRECT. IT BASICALLY TAKES THAT. >> BUT THAT'S STILL A CONVERSATION THAT I WANT TO HAVE THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETING. >> ONE THING TO NOTE IS BECAUSE THE STORM DRAIN IS SO LARGE AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE STREET. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER AND SOME OTHER FACILITIES THAT THE CITY OWNS IN THE WAY THAT HAS TO BE MOVED FIRST. BASICALLY, THE CONTRACTOR IS GOING TO WORK PROBABLY TWICE IN A WAY ON THAT QUARTER, RIGHT. THEY HAVE TO MOVE THE WATER AND THE SEWER OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN GET THE WATER. [OVERLAPPING]. CORRECT. YES. IT'S GOING TO KIND OF BE STAGED TO FEEL LIKE, WELL, I DON'T SEE GIANT BOXES GOING IN RIGHT ON DAY ONE. WELL, THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. WE GOT TO GET THE WATER AND SEWER OUT OF THE WAY SO WE CAN HAVE THE PUT THOSE IN. THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO ENOUGH OF A DISTANCE TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE TO TEST EACH SECTION AND TURN IT OVER IN THE SERVICE. >> BUYING ANY [INAUDIBLE] WITHIN TWO YEARS, 2.5 YEARS, WE SHOULD HAVE OPERATIONAL, EVERYTHING, STREETS, UTILITIES BACK ON, EVERYTHING. >> I MEAN, IF YOU KNOW HOW BIG AND HOW LONG THE AVENUE P LINE IS, KEEPING THAT LINE EVACUATED. THAT ALONE WILL GIVE YOU CAPACITY UNDERNEATH THAT STREET FOR WATER STORAGE. THAT IMMEDIATELY IS GOING TO INCREASE THE DRAINAGE AREAS AROUND THERE. I MEAN, THINK OF THE LINES 43RD, 45TH, 47TH. I MEAN, THEY ALL GO THEY ALL END UP IN THAT ONE LINE. >> I MEAN IT WILL COME LATER, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE CAN TWEAK THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE PUMP IS ON, THAT'S I KNOW IT'S A CONCERN FOR SOUND, BUT I KNOW THAT'S BEEN IN CONSIDERATION. BUT ALSO [OVERLAPPING]. >> A STUDY THROUGH THE DESIGN ON THAT, CORRECT. OKAY. >> BUT ALSO THE SLUICE GATE THAT WHATEVER IT IS. WE'LL GET TO THAT LATER, BUT I'M GLAD TO HEAR IT'S ON. PLEASE, I'D LIKE IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, I'D LIKE A MONTHLY UPDATE. WHETHER IT BE AT COUNSEL OR YOU CAN SEND AN E MAIL. >> WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT THE E MAIL AND COUNSEL [OVERLAPPING]. >> YOU OFFICIALLY REQUEST [INAUDIBLE] REALLY STARTING. >> I MEAN, I DO I GET QUARTERLY AND THEN I GET NO SHITS [LAUGHTER]. >> IF I WE'RE MOVING IN 30 DAYS, LET'S START GETTING THE 30 DAY THE MONTHLY UPDATE SENT TO COUNSEL. I'D APPRECIATE IT. WAY I CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE. >> THE ONLY THING THAT WORRIES ME I THINK YOU JUST SAID THAT WE HAVE 18 MONTHS TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID 80%? >> WITHIN THE 18 MONTHS OF CO PORTO SUGGESTED OR MENTIONED WITH THE CONTRACT TIME. I ESTIMATE WE WOULD BE ABOUT 80% COMPLETE AT THAT POINT IN TIME, CORRECT? >> ALL RIGHT. THAT ADD UP BECAUSE YOU SAID IT'S GOING TO TAKE 24 TO 30 MONTHS TO COMPLETE. WE'RE GOING TO BE MORE LIKE ABOUT 55%. >> WELL, YOU'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF WORK. YOU'VE GOT A PUMP STATION AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A GRAVITY COLLECTION SYSTEM. WE'RE OKAY THAT WE EXTEND ONE OF THE TWO? OR IS ALL THAT SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 18 MONTHS? >> BY THE BLACK AND WHITE OF THE CONTRACT, IT SHOULD ALL BE DONE IN THAT TIME FRAME. WE ARE ALLOWED AN EXTENSION REQUEST. THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY. >> THAT EXTENSION REQUEST, IF WE PUSH THIS OUT TO THAT 30 MONTH THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER YEAR. I'M JUST SAYING IN PREPARATION TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO TELL THE GLO THAT'S YOU KNOW. >> [INAUDIBLE], WE ALSO HAVE TO CONVEY THIS MESSAGE. >> THE PUBLIC AS WELL. >> CONSIDERING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE A POSTER CHILD AND OUT IN THE FOREFRONT OF WHAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY OR WHAT WE ARE REALLY INEFFECTIVE. [05:50:04] IT ALSO MIGHT, AGAIN, IT COULD AFFECT OUR FUNDING IN THE FUTURE FOR PROJECTS LIKE THIS. UNDER THE [INAUDIBLE], ROB. >> I KNOW. >> PRESSURE MAKES ALWAYS [OVERLAPPING]. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? [3.O Discussion of Alternate Dates for City Council Meetings in September 2025 (C Brown - 15 min)] LET'S MOVE TO 3L. THANK YOU, ROB. >> THANK YOU. >> THREE L. DISCUSSION OF MOVED DATES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER 2025. >> THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA COUNCIL FOR TWO REASONS. FIRST OF ALL. WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS, AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN ORDINANCE FORM, AND WE APPROVED THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS SEPTEMBER 11 AND SEPTEMBER 18 HERE WITH COUNCIL. THOSE DATES WERE SET UP TO ACCOMMODATE THE FLOW AND OUR RESPONSIBILITIES IN GETTING THE BUDGET APPROVED AND THOSE TYPES OF RELATED ITEMS. WE HAD IT ON THE AGENDA. THERE WAS A THOUGHT THAT THE COUNTY MAY REQUEST SOME CHANGES IN THOSE PARTICULAR DATES. AFTER MEETING WITH THE COUNTY JANELLE, THEY ARE FINE WITH THE WAY THEY ARE STRUCTURED, IS THAT RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE], IS THAT RIGHT? THEY'RE FINE WITH KEEPING IT TO SEPTEMBER 11 AND 18TH? >> YES, THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK. I THINK THE CONCERN IS THE LAST TWO YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN LATE GAME CHANGES, AND AFTER THE 18TH, THERE'S NOT RUNNING ROOM TO NOTICE ANOTHER MEETING. >> RIGHT. >> REGARDING THE TAX RATE, WE HAVE TO BE CERTAIN BY THE 18TH IF WE'RE NOTICING FOR THE 11TH. THE REASON THERE'S A SEVEN OR SEVEN DAY SEPARATION IS BECAUSE CODE REQUIRES THAT FROM THE DATE YOU POST THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, YOU HAVE TO VOTE WITHIN SEVEN DAYS. RIGHT NOW WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE A POSTED FOR THE 11, AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK OUT FOR A DECISION, THEN YOU STILL HAVE THE 18TH, RIGHT? >> I UNDERSTAND. >> IF THE 18TH DOESN'T WORK OUT LIKE LAST YEAR, THERE IS NOT NOTICE TIME TO POST IT BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER EFFECTIVELY IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION BEFORE IT WOULD JUST REVERT TO THE NOTE [OVERLAPPING] OR IF OUR CURRENT RATE IS LOWER, IT WOULD GO TO THE CURRENT RATE. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE 72 HOUR POSTING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT NOTICE IN THE PAPER FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. >> OKAY. WE'RE KEEPING AT THIS POINT THE 11TH AND 18TH. NOW, COUNCILWOMAN, ROB HAS ASKED, SHE'S GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN AND SHE'S REQUESTED THAT WE CHANGE THESE DATES. MARIE, [INAUDIBLE]. >> WELL, NO. I SCREWED UP, AND I'M GOING TO BE IN PERU, SO. I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO THINK OF IS IT TAKES A SUPERMAJORITY TO PASS A TAX RATE AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOWN ONE. IT WAS LIKE SOMETHING PLANNED A YEAR AGO WHERE A LOT OF MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID IN ADVANCE, AND EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T EVER MISSED A COUNCIL MEETING IN MY EIGHT YEARS, I SCREWED UP AND GOING TO MISS TWO OF THEM. >> IT SOUND LIKE YOU SCREWED UP TOO BAD, GOING TO PERU [LAUGHTER]. DID MARIE, CAN YOU ATTEND THESE MEETINGS VIRTUALLY? >> ON THAT NO ONE, THE 18TH IS THE MORE SO OF THE I MEAN, THE 11TH MEETING IS A VERY SHORT MEETING. THE WAY THIS IT'S IT'S NOT A TRIP WE'RE DOING. IT'S A ORCHESTRATED TRIP. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU, I'M NOT IN CONTROL OF THE SCHEDULE. ON THE 18TH, IT WOULD BE LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE. >> I'M BRINGING IT TO COUNSEL BECAUSE IF WE CHANGE THESE DATES, IT'S AN ORDINANCE. WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AS COUNSEL. 11TH AND 18TH HAVE BEEN SET. IF YOU CHANGE THESE DATES, ALL THINGS START CHANGING AROUND IT NOW. WE NEED TO GET COUNSEL'S INPUT IF WE WANT TO LEAVE IT ON 11TH AND 18TH AND MARIE MAY BE ABLE TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY ON THE 11TH, BUT THE 18TH SHE WOULD MISS. COUNSEL, ANY THOUGHTS. >> WHAT ALTERNATE DATES WOULD BE PROPOSED? >> WE THROW JUST IF COUNSEL WANTS TO DO IT, I MEAN, WE GOT TIME. WE JUST THROW OUT SOME ALTERNATE DATES, AND MAYBE IF IT WORKS, IT WORKS IF IT DOESN'T, WE CAME DOWN TO THE WIRE LAST TIME. >> TRY NOT TO DO THAT AGAIN. >> WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT NOW BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO GET IT BACK IN AUGUST TO VOTE ON. [05:55:07] WE'VE GOT TO VOTE ON THIS IN AUGUST. WE CAN'T PUT THIS OFF IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THESE DATES. >> IS THE DATE ON THE 11TH BEING PROPOSED TO BE EARLIER THAN THAT? >> THE 11TH IS JUST A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? >> THE 11TH IN THEORY WAS SCHEDULED TO BE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE BUDGET AND THE APPROVAL AND ADOPTION ON THE BUDGET. THE CONCERN IS IF ACTION, SO THE WAY THE CODE READS, OKAY, YOU CANNOT DO THE TAX RATE AT THE SAME TIME, YOU DO THE BUDGET. THAT WOULD PUSH THE TAX RATE TO THE 18TH, RIGHT? >> ONE SOLUTION COULD BE LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE, THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IN AUGUST, WHICH IS THE 28TH. WE HAVE SKIPPED IT FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, AND THAT'S ALLOWED STAFF TO PIVOT FROM THAT FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST AND GET EVERYTHING DONE IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. ONE OPTION COULD BE TO MOVE THE BUDGET VOTE UP TO THE 28TH, WHICH WOULD BE REALLY PUSHING IT FOR STAFF. BUT WE COULD DO THAT. >> SO THE 28TH WOULD ONLY BE BUDGET? >> 28TH WOULD ONLY BE BUDGET. >> JUST ONE SECOND. RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT THE 28TH AS A REGULAR MEETING. >> IT'S JUST A REGULAR MEETING, AND I HAVE NO PLANS TO DO ANY BUDGETARY ITEMS ON THAT 28TH MEETING. >> NOW WE'VE GOT AUGUST 14TH ALSO AS A BUDGET. >> YES. LET ME BACK UP ON MY CALENDAR HERE. >> WHAT'S THAT? >> I LOOKED AT SEPTEMBER 14TH, I'M LIKE, THAT'S A SUNDAY, I'M CAMPING. [LAUGHTER] >> WE'RE TALKING AUGUST DATE. >> ON AUGUST 14TH, WE PRESENT THE BUDGET. WE SET THE BUDGET HEARING AND ADOPTION, WHICH IN THEORY, WE WERE GOING TO SET FOR THE 11TH, BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO IT FOR THE 28TH OF AUGUST. THERE'S ALSO AT SOME POINT, THE RATIFICATION OF THE TAX RATE BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE TAX RATE. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? BUT SO THE 28TH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO IT THEN. I THINK MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, IS IF THAT'S THE ROUTE COUNCIL WANTED TO GO, THEN I WOULD NOTICE THE TAX RATE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 18TH INSTEAD OF THE 11TH. THAT WAY IF COUNCIL DOESN'T TAKE ACTION ON THE 18TH, IT COULD PUSH TO THE 25TH AND YOU HAVE THAT SEVEN-DAY WINDOW PUSHED BACK A WEEK, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TIME ON THE BACK END. >> BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP BECAUSE MARIE'S NOT HERE ON THE 18TH. SO WE NEED TO TALK THIS OUT. GO AHEAD. >> WELL, SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS IF YOU PUSHED IT BACK FROM THE 18TH TO THE FOLLOWING THURSDAY, THEN I WOULD INSIST THAT YOU ALSO PRE-SCHEDULE THE MEETING FOR 30TH OF SEPTEMBER. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE REALLY THE LAST TIME YOU COULD VOTE ON IT IF FOR SOME REASON, IT DIDN'T COME TOGETHER ON THE 25TH. I WOULD SAY THE COUNTY WOULD BE REALLY UPSET WITH US IF WE SUBMITTED OUR TAX RATE ON THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER. >> YEAH, WE WELCOME THE IDEA. >> WELL, ALSO, JUST REMEMBER, GUYS, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF HURRICANE SEASON HERE. >> A LOT GOING ON. >> I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE SCHEDULE THEIR SCHEDULES AROUND WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED. IF YOU MOVE IT BACK TO THE 28TH, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE FOLLOW UP MEETING ON 11TH OF SEPTEMBER. >> WHAT IF WE MOVED IT THE OTHER WAY, MOVED IT BACK? TIME TO MOVE IT BACK OR IS IT? >> THE BUDGET, YOU MEAN? >> MOVING IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING, THAT THE BUDGET WOULD BE AUGUST 28TH, AND THAT WOULD GIVE US MORE WIGGLE ROOM AND ALL OF SEPTEMBER. BUT THIS TIME PERIOD, MAYBE WE COULD MOVE IT A WEEK EARLIER TO THE 4TH OF SEPTEMBER. >> NO. >> NO. >> NO, DAVID WON'T BE HERE. >> I CAN'T BE DONE WITH. THAT MEANS THE 28TH AND THE 11TH, BUT THE SUMMARY, THE KITTY ON ON ONE. >> I COULD DO AS MUCH AS I CAN VIRTUALLY. >> THE SUPER MAJORITY FOR THE TAX RATE, THAT'S A SUPER MAJORITY OF COUNCIL AND NOT THOSE PRESENT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THE TAX RATE, ALL SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE REMAINING WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE IN ORDER FOR THE VOTE TO BE. [06:00:02] >> ON THE 11TH? >> ON THE 11TH, YEAH. >> I'M SORRY. >> WELL, THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS JUST LEAVE IT AS IS, BUT THEN IT KNOCKS MARIE OUT OF AT LEAST ONE OF THE MEETINGS, THE 18TH. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS THE THING IF WE CHANGE IT THE >> WHAT IF WE DID IT THE 19TH? >> ARE YOU HERE ON THE 19TH? >> YOU MEAN MOVE THE 18TH TO THE 19TH. >> I'LL GET BACK TO MORNING IN THE 19TH. >> SO ON A FRIDAY? >> YEAH. >> IT'S NOT JANELLE'S FAVORITE DAY, SHE'S ALREADY TALKED TO ME. >> PUT IT THIS WAY. IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY, I REALLY HESITATE WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET AND TAX RATE FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES TO MOVE IT TO A DATE WE NEVER HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING. >> WHAT IF WE DID IT LIKE YOU SAID, THE 25TH AND THE 30TH? >> 28TH. >> NO, SHE'S TALKING THE END OF SEPTEMBER. >> 25TH IS OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. >> NO, IT'S NOT. >> NO IT'S NOT. >> NO, SEPTEMBER 25TH? >> NOT IN SEPTEMBER. >> IN SEPTEMBER, WE MOVED IT UP TO THE 18TH TO HAVE THAT SEVEN-DAY WINDOW. IT'S THE 11TH AND THE 18TH. >> IN MY CALENDAR WHEN I PUT MY DATES IN, THAT'S HOW I SCANNED IT THAT WAY. >> IT NORMALLY WOULD BE IF IT WASN'T SEPTEMBER. >> WHAT IF WE DID AT THE 20TH AND THE 30TH, LIKE YOU SUGGESTED. >> THE 25TH AND THE 30TH. >> WELL, THE 30TH, THE COUNTY IS NOT GOING TO BE REAL WITH THAT. >> NO, BUT I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THE BACKUP DATE IN ADVANCE, IF FOR SOME REASON, JUST BASED ON TRACK RECORDS. [LAUGHTER] BUT I DO THINK THAT LAST SEVEN DAYS OF SEPTEMBER IS PUSHING IT A LOT. >> WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, YOUR IDEAL, YOU FEEL THE BEST ON THE TWO DAYS, FIRST OF ALL, THE 18TH GIVES US THE WIGGLE ROOM THAT WE NEED, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES. >> IT DOESN'T PUSH THE COUNTY BACK BACK AGAINST THE WALL? >> CORRECT. >> WELL. >> IF MARIE WORKED HERE ON THE 18TH, WE'D NEED SIX VOTES. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S EVERYBODY. >> WELL, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE FIRST OF ALL ON THAT VOTING. >> ON THE 8TH AND THE 11TH. WHICH DAY WOULD BE THE VOTING? >> WHAT'S REALLY THE DOWNSIDE OF DOING IT ON THAT NEXT FRIDAY? YOU SAID IT WAS BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ORDINARY COUNCIL DAY? >> TYPICALLY, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO TAX RATE AND BUDGET ITEMS ON A DAY WHERE IT DOESN'T LOOK TRANSPARENT. IF CITIZENS DON'T EXPECT YOU TO HAVE A MEETING ON A FRIDAY, THEN THEY OFTEN FEEL LIKE IT WAS DONE IN AN INTRANSPARENT MANNER. >> SOMETHING NEFARIOUS COMING ON. >> I THINK A TUESDAY THROUGH A THURSDAY WOULD BE FINE. I WOULD HESITATE TO DO IT ON A MONDAY OR A FRIDAY BECAUSE WE NEVER HAVE MEETINGS THEN. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK AS WELL. I JUST RECOMMENDED THURSDAYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN MEETINGS ARE NORMALLY HELD. >> WE COULD DO THE ONE MEETING ON AUGUST 28TH, BECAUSE THAT'S A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING DAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ALREADY POSTED IN THE BUDGET. YES. >> THEN WE COULD DO THE FOLLOW-UP MEETING ON THE 11TH, 18TH. >> THE 11TH OR THE 18TH. I GUESS MY THOUGHTS WERE, IF YOU PLANNED TO DO IT ON THE 18TH AND WE POSTED FOR THE 18TH, THEN IF FOR SOME REASON IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, THE FOLLOWING WEEK, THE 25TH WOULD STILL BE IN PLAY TO MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE YOU'RE POSTING LASTS FOR SEVEN DAYS. >> WE'RE GOING TO TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE IT WORK OUT AND NOT HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN. >> SO IF WE DID THAT, MARIE, [OVERLAPPING] WE HAD TAKE THE 11TH OFF? >> YES. >> SO YOU WOULDN'T MISS ANYTHING ON THE 11TH, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE THAT 18TH. >> ON THE 11TH, WE DON'T NEED A SUPERMAJORITY, DO WE? >> YEAH. BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'D BE DOING IS THE TAX RATE ON THE 11TH THEN. BUT IF YOU PUSH IT BACK TO THE 18TH, THEN WHATEVER DAY YOU VOTE ON THE TAX RATE IS WHEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SUPER MAJORITY. >> WHAT IS IT WE WOULD BE DOING ON THE 28TH? >> THE 28TH, I WOULD MOVE THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION UP TO THE 28TH. >> FROM THE SEPTEMBER 11TH. >> FROM THE SEPTEMBER 11TH, CORRECT. [06:05:01] THAT WAY, NONE OF THE DATES IN SEPTEMBER HAVE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF THE BUDGET HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME. ALL THE DATES IN SEPTEMBER WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ADOPTING THE TAX RATE, EXCEPT WE HAVE TO PICK THE DATE, WE HAVE TO NOTICE IT. IF YOU DON'T MAKE A DECISION ON THE NOTICE DATE, YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO USE THAT SAME NOTICE. >> SEPTEMBER 18TH IS OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING DAY TOO, GETTING BUSINESS DONE. >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE 28TH, WHICH IS WHAT I HAD ON MY SCHEMES. >> WELL, THE 25TH. >> 25TH, AND THAT'S HOW I SCREWED UP. >> WHERE ARE WE? SO FAR I HEAR, AUGUST 28TH AND SEPTEMBER 18TH. >> 28TH. >> WITH THE POSTING ON THE 25TH. >> THE POSTING FOR THE 18TH THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE 25TH IF YOU NEEDED. >> IF WE NEEDED. >> WHICH IS A FRIDAY. >> NO, THE 25TH IS A THURSDAY. >> IT WOULD BE A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. >> MOVING TO AUGUST 28TH FROM SEPTEMBER 11TH, MY SCHEDULE WAS PERFECTLY FINE. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD WORK BECAUSE WE GOT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING DATE ANYWAY ON 28TH OF AUGUST. >> KEEP YOU FROM HAVING AN EXTRA MEETING. >> YEAH. >> IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON IT IN AUGUST, CHANGE THE ORDER. >> IN JULY. >> JULY. >> I MEAN, JULY. EXCUSE ME. >> THE SOONER THE BETTER. [LAUGHTER] >> SO AUGUST 28TH, SEPTEMBER 11TH? >> NO, WE DON'T MEET ON THE 11TH. >> SEPTEMBER 18TH, AUGUST 28TH, SEPTEMBER 18TH, AND THE 18TH HAS THE NOTICE FOR THE POTENTIAL MEETING ON THE 25TH. >> [OVERLAPPING] >> SHOULD BE THAT ONE. >> I CAN'T BE ON THE 18TH. BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE SOME AIRPORT TIME WHERE I CAN. WHAT'S THE TIME DIFFERENCES, ANYBODY? THE TWO WHO'VE PROLONGED HERE. >> THE BIGGEST THING IT HAS TO BE POSTED, MARIE. WE HAVE TO POST WHERE YOU ARE AND EVERYTHING. >> NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. [OVERLAPPING] BUT IT WOULDN'T MATTER. WELL, I WOULDN'T KNOW, SO THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. >> WILL YOU BE SITTING ON A LAMA WHEN WE'RE HERE TO SEE YOU? >> THAT'D BE COOL, ACTUALLY. BUT PROBABLY NOT ON THE 18TH. NOW ON THE 11TH, THAT COULD BE. [LAUGHTER] BUT I'LL BRING YOU ALL GIFTS TO THANK YOU. >> IT'S THE SAME TIME ZONE. >> IS IT? >> I BELIEVE [INAUDIBLE] >> IT'S A DIFFERENT HEMISPHERE, SAME TIME ZONE. >> CENTRAL. >> OH, GOOD. >> I KNOW THAT DIRECT FLIGHT IS ONLY SIX HOURS, WHICH IS NICE. >> THERE YOU GO. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING TO AUGUST 28TH, THE SEPTEMBER 11TH, AND KEEPING THE SEPTEMBER 18TH, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME, SHIRLEY. >> YOU DON'T CALL ME SHIRLEY, [LAUGHTER] SORRY. I KNOW. BRIAN STOLE MY JOKES TODAY. [3.P Discussion of limited standards regarding passenger auto sales (LDRs Section 2.351) for dealer stock (Robb/Rawlins - 10 min)] >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3P, PLEASE. >> ITEM 3P: DISCUSSION OF LIMITED STANDARDS REGARDING PASSENGER AUTO SALES, LDR SECTION 2.351 FOR DEALER STOCK. >> I'LL BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE. ARE YOU WANT TO COME UP TO HIM? >> SURE. >> IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN THE LDRS WHEN IT COMES TO AUTOMOBILE SALES LODGE. WILL YOU TALK ABOUT IT? >> YEAH. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE HAVE IN OUR LIMITED STANDARDS FOR BASICALLY AUTOMOBILE DEALERS A REQUIREMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR STANDARD PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH REQUIRE A 9*18 STALL. FOR SOME REASON, IT'S IN OUR LDRS AND IN THAT LIMITED STANDARDS THAT SPACE PARAMETERS, EVERY SPACE FOR A VEHICLE FOR SALE SHALL MEASURE 10*24. >> WHICH IS LUDICROUS. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PUBLIC PURPOSE EVEN IS IN US REGULATING THAT. [LAUGHTER] IT'S DEALERS STOCK. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT WHAT THEY WANT, IN MY OPINION. I'M SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THESE THINGS SO CLOSE TOGETHER, [06:10:03] THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING DOOR DINGS IN THEIR BRAND NEW CARS. >> IT'S A PROFESSIONAL WAY THEY DO IT THEN THIS IS PARTICULARLY AFFECTING CLASSIC RIGHT DOWN WHERE THEY'RE MAKING ALL THEIR DEALERSHIPS BETTER. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. >> HOW DO WE FIX IT? >> WE CAN DROP THAT REGULATION OUT IF YOU SO DEEM IT FIT, AND I WOULD TAKE THAT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT. >> IT'S NOT UP TO JUST UP TO US. LET'S FIX THAT. >> YES. >> LET'S FIX THAT. >> I'M SUPPORTIVE OF IT. >> I'M LIKE YOU. I CAN'T SEE WHAT PURPOSE IT SERVES. >> THE INSURANCE COMPANIES MIGHT HAVE HAD A HAND IN THAT. I DON'T KNOW. >> UNLESS THEY'RE SELLING MACK TRUCKS OR SOMETHING. [LAUGHTER] >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, TIM, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL, BUT THIS WOULD APPLY TOO TO ALL THESE LITTLE CAR LOTS THAT ARE ON THE CORNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL THAT. IT'S NOT JUST CLASSICS. >> I'VE CONSIDERED THAT. >> I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S APPLYING ANYWHERE. >> WE'RE NOT REGULATING THEM ANYHOW. I'VE SEEN THEM STACK 3D. [OVERLAPPING] >> I CAN THINK OF 100 AND I GOT NAMES, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET AROUND THE CARS. >> THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE RULES THAT CLASSIC IS ON THIS? >> THEY ARE UNDER THOSE RULES. >> BUT THEY'RE NOT REDESIGNING THEIR AUTO DEALERSHIPS TO MAKE IT. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY EXISTED BEFORE 2015. >> THEY'RE ALREADY GREAT. >> THEY'RE ALL GRANDFATHERED. THEY'RE ALL STACKED. >> THIS IS A NEW LDR. >> SO THEY'RE NOT NEW. >> 2015? >> 2015, YEAH. >> IN MY OPINION, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THE CITY TO BE GETTING INVOLVED IN THAT REGULATORY ASPECT. >> I SEE WHY WE CARE. DO WE CARE HOW CLOSE THE COOKS ARE AT WALMART AND THE SHELVES? WE DON'T CARE. [LAUGHTER] >> NOW LET'S FIX IT. >> THERE'S ALSO A LANDSCAPE PROVISION AND THE INTERIOR LANDSCAPE PROVISIONS THAT WE HAVE WHICH >> THEY DON'T ABIDE BY THOSE EITHER. >> WELL, THAT'S THE PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE APPLIED. FOR AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. IF YOU WANT ME TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF BOTH THOSE TWO, I CERTAINLY WOULD. >> YES. >> THE PURPOSE OF A CAR DEALERSHIP IS TO DISPLAY THEIR CARS AND TO BE SEEN FROM THE ROAD. IF WE SHELTER OR SCREENED THE WHOLE THING WITH SHRUBS, NO, NOT THE RIGHT IDEA. >> THIS IS THEIR STOCK. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC PARKING AREA. THIS IS THEIR STOCK. >> THIS PARTICULAR PROPRIETOR HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT PROFESSIONAL. AS FAR AS THE LEVEL OF STANDARDS THAT HE'S KEPT BY THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURER OF WHAT HE'S REQUIRED TO DO IS FAR BEYOND A LOT OF WHAT WE REQUIRE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> [OVERLAPPING] FIX TO RIP UP EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF HIS PLACE ANYWAY. I CAN'T SEE HIM DO THIS. >> HAS THE MARSHALS OR SOMEBODY SIDED? >> NO. HE'S BUILDING A NEW LINE. >> NO, THEY'RE STOPPING HIM FROM EXPANDING. IT'S ALMOST ENOUGH WHERE HE CONTEMPLATED AT ONE POINT LEAVING THE ISLAND BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE A PERSON, THAT'S THE MOST LUDICROUS THING I'VE EVER HEARD. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH IT. >> I DON'T HAVE IT. >> I'LL GET IT UP. >> BRING IT TO US. LET US FIX IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN WE GET THE PLANNING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN HAVE A LOOK? >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST. SO I'LL GET IT AT THEIR NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. >> WE'LL HAVE IT ON OUR NEXT MEETING. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE THE JULY MEETING OR NOT, BUT CERTAINLY. >> I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN IT. >> WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN TO GET IT THERE, BUT AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. >> THANK YOU, TIM. THANK YOU. >> THANKS TIM. >> 3Q, PLEASE. [3.Q Discussion of "Only Footprints" Littering Initiative (Porretto/Rawlins - 15 min)] >> 3Q. DISCUSSION OF ONLY FOOTPRINTS LITTERING INITIATIVE. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING MARSHALL MORRIS YESTERDAY. SHE ASKED ME ABOUT THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE, KIND OF TYING TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT. I PUT INTO SOME THOUGHT. I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESSES AND THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ONLY FOOTPRINTS INITIATIVE. IT DOES REQUIRE ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT OF IT, SOME ADAPTIVE ENFORCEMENT. WELL, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T CARE WHO DOES IT. IF THE MARSHALS HAVE A ROLE, THAT'S FINE. IF GPD HAS A ROLE, THAT'S FINE TOO. HELL, IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WANTS TO GET IT ON IT, WHY NOT? I THINK A FULL HANDS ON APPROACH IS THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO. THAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT. [06:15:01] BUT IN DEVELOPING THIS, AND I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING THE MULTIFACETED APPROACH TOGETHER AND BRINGING IT UPDATED COUNSEL. DO WHAT? NO. I'M GOING TO BE PUTTING IT TOGETHER. TALKING WITH BUSINESS PARTNERS, THE CHAMBERS REACHED OUT FOR SOME WHEN THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT AND GIVE IT OUT TO THEIR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. ANYBODY TO JUMP ON BOARD. I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. I SHARE THE SENTIMENT, THE GALVESTON PRIDE THING THAT BOB LIKES TO TALK ABOUT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE MAYOR HAD AN OLD BOOK FROM MR. GALVESTON, THE OLD MAYOR SCHREIBER. >> MAYOR SCHREIBER. >> IT WAS IN '68, AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OF LITTERING ON THE BEACH. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD MOVING FORWARD REALLY LOOK AT AND KEEP AS A STAPLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BUT WHETHER IT'D BE PARK BOARD, VISION, WHETHER IT'D BE THE CHAMBER, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HOPPING ON BOARD WITH THIS. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S FINE. BUT THIS IS ABOUT KEEPING OUR BEACHES CLEAN AND HAVING THAT RESPECT. WHEN YOU COME TO THE ISLAND, THIS IS THE WAY THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO BE TREATED. THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE WANT YOU GUYS TO VIEW US AND WE'RE SHARING NOT ONLY THE BEACHES WHICH ARE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE'RE SHARING WITH OUR COMMUNITY WHEN THEY DRIVE THROUGH OUR STREET, THEY SHOULD RESPECT THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, SO. >> VERY GOOD. IS IT CHIEF MORRIS? >> YES. >> COULD YOU COME FORWARD. I WANT YOUR TITLE. ARE YOU CHIEF OF THE MARSHALS? >> THE CITY MARSHAL. >> CITY MARSHAL. >> CITY MARSHAL. YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE. I KNOW I'VE MET A COUPLE OF YOU BUT I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND SEEING HOW THE CITY MARSHAL'S OFFICE CAN HELP JUST KEEP IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES HERE IN GALVESTON. >> A QUESTION FOR YOU. >> WEEKEND NIGHTS THROUGH LABOR DAY. >> I HEARD THAT. >> TOO LATE FOR THAT. >> YEAH. QUESTION. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK COUNCILMAN PRETA'S IDEA, THIS ONLY FOOTPRINT IS A GREAT IDEA. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS ON LITTER. MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THIS? YOU GOT TO SEE THEM THROW THE LITTER, DON'T YOU? >> YEAH. SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE ORDINANCE, BUT YES, YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHO'S ACTUALLY LITTERING AND WHAT THE ITEM ACTUALLY IS. SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH, YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE OBJECT IS. >> BUT YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE PERSON THAT THREW IT. >> TYPICALLY THE PERSON, I'LL LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE ORDINANCE IN GALVESTON, BUT TYPICALLY, IT'S THE PERSON AND THE ACTUAL ITEM AS WELL. >> IN THE ACT. >> RIGHT. BECAUSE IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ACTUAL LITTER. SO YOU SAW SOMEONE THROW SOMETHING BUT MAYBE IT'S SEEDS. >> SEASHELL. >> YES, SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. SO YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE ITEM. >> TAKING PICTURE. >> WELL, IT'S ALSO TOO. IT'S THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE. IT'S WORK ON THE BEACH, PEOPLE ASK IS THIS AREA SAFE? WHERE'S THE SAFETY COMPONENT TO IT? I THINK HAVING THAT ADDED LAW ENFORCEMENT ASPECT TO THE BEACH FRONT IS GOOD. IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN AMBASSADOR SHIP, SO TO SPEAK. WHEN I ASK PEOPLE TO PICK UP YOUR TRASH, IT'S A SCOFF LAW. WHEN SOMEONE WITH A BADGE OR WHEN THEY SAY, "HEY, WOULD YOU MIND PLEASE PICKING UP YOUR TRASH? I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WRITE YOU A TICKET." IT'LL GET THEIR ATTENTION BETTER AND IT SHOWS THAT, HEY, WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS AND WE'RE WILLING TO WRITE A TICKET. I WANT TICKETS WRITTEN TOO. IT'S NOT TO DISSUADE ANYBODY FROM COMING HERE BUT IT'S ABOUT THE RESPECT. THE HOUSTON NEWS MEDIA WILL PROBABLY PICK IT UP. IT'S ADAPTIVE. YOUR WORST DAYS ARE GOING TO BE FROM FRIDAY, MAYBE THURSDAY TO SUNDAY. THEN MONDAY, IT'S KIND OF LAX. IT'S THAT ADAPTIVE, LIKE HEY, WE'RE A TOURIST TOWN, LET'S SCALE UP ON THE WEEKENDS, SCALE DOWN DURING THE WEEKDAYS, SHIFT EVERYTHING. THAT'S THAT ASPECT OF IT. THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED ON AND I'M WORKING THROUGH THEM TO GIVE COUNSEL UPDATES AND BRING IT ALL TOGETHER. BUT I GET STOPPED A LOT AND PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT THAT'S IT'S A COOL NAME, A COOL IDEA. [06:20:01] LET'S GET IT DONE AND I'M TRYING TO DO THAT. >> DAVID. >> SO FIRST OFF, I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPERATIVE TO THE PROMOTION OF OUR CITY. I THINK ACTUALLY WE OUGHT TO BE AS BOLD AS TO SAY WE NEED TO PUT MONEY BEHIND IT IN FORM OF ADVERTISING. WHERE COULD THAT MONEY COME FROM? WELL, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A VARIETY OF PARTNERS. I MEAN, I'VE HEARD YOU TALKING WITH MARISSA. OBVIOUSLY, VISIT GALVESTON. I THINK THIS IS A LARGER MARKETING CAMPAIGN THAT WE DEDICATE MONEY AND RESOURCES TO. WE DIVIDE UP RESPONSIBILITIES BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO, WHAT IS VISIT GALVESTON GOING TO DO? WHAT CAN OUR PARTNERS DO IN THE COMMUNITY? I THINK I'VE SENT YOU SOME IDEAS ON THIS, BY THE WAY. SO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE. I THREW OUT A BUDGET OF SAYING FOR TWO YEARS, DEDICATE $100,000 IN MARKETING. YOU SPREAD IT OUT THROUGH THE TAIL END OF THIS SEASON, YOU GET MOVING REALLY QUICKLY. THEN SPEND IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH 2026. THEN BY THEN, HOPEFULLY, YOU CAN PUT IN PLACE SOME GOALS AND METRICS TO WHERE YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT, YOU'VE GOT FEWER FINES OR FEWER CALLS OR LESS TRASH VOLUME SO THAT THEN YOU CAN APPLY FOR GRANTS AND MAKE IT SUSTAINABLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, THAT WE PUT OUR EFFORT AND OUR MONEY BEHIND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SUSTAINABLE. >> THEN FROM THE PARKS AND REC STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU'RE GIVING YOUR SPIEL AT THE PARKING GATE MAY BE SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. IT GETS A BUNCH OF LAUGHS OR SMILES WHEN YOU SAY, "HEY, JUST REMEMBER, THE ONLY THING YOU SHOULD LEAVE IS YOUR FOOTPRINTS." PEOPLE CATCH ON TO THAT AND THEY GO, "I GET IT. PACK IN, PACK OUT." JUST TALKING TO PEOPLE. IT'S A FRIENDLY WAY. IT'S A POSITIVE WAY TO HELP INCREASE AWARENESS OF HEY, YOU SHOULD ONLY LEAVE YOUR FOOTPRINTS ON SAY. >> WELCOME, MARSHALL MORRIS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> WE JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL TRASH PROGRAMS WAS DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS >> DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS. >> YEAH. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS. >> THAT'S LIKE A PECANI COMMERCIAL. >> BUT ANYWAY, IT'S A LONG DAY. MY BACK HURTS. >> THERE ACTUALLY WAS A WEBSITE THAT THEY HAD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT STILL EXISTS WHERE IF I SEE SOMEONE LITTERING, I'D TAKE A PICTURE OF THEIR CAR AND THEIR LICENSE PLATE. THERE WAS, THERE USED TO BE A SITE THAT YOU COULD GO IN AND PUT THEIR LICENSE PLATE IN. >> WE CAN OPEN A SOCIAL MEDIA PAGE. >> WELL, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY. >> GALVESTON LITTER BOX. >> BUT LET ME ASK THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE MARSHALS ON THE BEACH. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> WELL, ONCE WE GET SOME. >> YOU GOT TO HAVE SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO ENFORCE THIS. RIGHT NOW MARSHALS ARE NOT ON THE BEACH. >> THAT GOES TO THE NEXT ITEM. >> ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO POSSIBLY WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT A MARINE SAFETY AND ENFORCEMENT UNIT. >> YEAH, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN ENFORCE THIS DOWN THERE ON THE BEACH, IF WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT. THE SAME THING APPLIES FOR PICKING UP AFTER YOUR DOG TOO. >> I THINK I'M THE ONLY DAMN PERSON THAT DOES THAT. >> I'M ALWAYS ON THEM BACK. THAT'S HAPPENING DOWN THERE. >> PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS CALLING ME A SACK OF SOMETHING AND NOW I REALIZE IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS ALWAYS CARRYING IT. THAT'S WHY. I'M SURE THAT'S WHY IT IS. >> THERE WE GO >> I CARRY THE DOGGY BAGS AND EVERY TIME I SEE SOMEONE WITH A DOG, EVEN IF THEY'RE LIKE, "NO, I HAVE ONE." I'M LIKE, "JUST TAKE ONE ANYWAY." >> I MAKE WINSTON CARRY HIS OWN. HE'S GOT A BACK BAG. >> IF THIS APPEARS TO BE RELATED, MAINTENANCE, WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR HOT FUNDS. BUT NOT FOR PICKING UP CRAP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROBABLY. SO THAT'S ONE FUNDING SOURCE. >> THE WHOLE PLACE IS A SANDBAR, BOB. >> IT'S NOT A CAT BOX. THE OTHER THING IS, VISIT GALVESTON, OF COURSE IS A GOOD PLACE TO DO THIS MARKETING, WHICH IS ALSO FUNDED BY HOT TAX. THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES AS LONG AS WE'RE ALONG THE BEACH AND AS LONG AS WE'RE MARKETING TO USE HOT TO FUND SOME OF THIS. >> I WONDER HOW THEY PAY FOR DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS MESSAGE. >> THE LARGER THING IS IS WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PERETO SPOKE TO, IS REALLY IT'S THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CULTURE, OF THE CULTURE OF CLEAN BEACHES. I THINK IT STARTS WITH THIS, BUT THEN IT PENETRATES YOUR ENTIRE MESSAGING. THAT VISIT GALVESTON, WHICH IS YOUR DIRECT MARKET. >> WE SHOULD GET CHARLES BARKLEY TO DO IT. >> MAN. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. >> THAT'D BE AWESOME. I REMEMBER THAT. >> I THINK HE MIGHT BE WANT TO BE NICE. YOU NEVER KNOW. [06:25:03] >> I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF PUTTING MONEY BEHIND IT LIKE WHAT BOB SAID AND I SAID EARLIER, I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE WITHIN EXISTING BUDGET. >> FUNNY ENOUGH, MOST OF YOUR TRULY SUCCESSFUL BEACHES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE THE TAKE ON, TAKE OFF HAVE NO TRASH CANS ON BEACH. >> THE BEST WAY TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM THROWING STUFF ON THE BEACH IS KEEPING THE BEACH CLEAN. SERIOUSLY. >> YOU GOT TO GET THE THREE SECOND DELAY. BETWEEN YOU AND ME, WE'VE GOT TO GET THE THREE SECOND DELAY. >> THAT'S A PRETTY BAD ASS THOUGHT. >> YEAH. YEAH. >> WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT DOGS. >> ONE LAST COMMENT. >> I'VE COMPLETELY LOST. >> I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE SENT COUNCIL MEMBER ROB, MARISSA, AND BRIAN SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS. I'M HOPING THAT THIS CAN GO FAIRLY QUICKLY FOR DISCUSSION WITH OTHER PARTIES, NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT ALSO WITH THE PARK BOARD. THANK YOU. >> SEND ME YOUR [INAUDIBLE] >> 3R, JANELLE. [3.R Discussion of Recruitment Initiatives for Law Enforcement (Porretto/Rawlins - 15 min)] >> 3R. DISCUSSION OF RECRUITMENT INITIATIVES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. >> YES, SIR. SO THIS IS THAT SECOND PART. HOW DO WE GET THE ENFORCEMENT PROP BACK UP? BRIAN HAS TALKED ABOUT HOW HARD IT IS TO MAINTAIN AND RECRUIT WITH A NEW MARSHAL. I'M SURE RECRUITMENT IS GOING TO BE ON HER MIND. IT'S PROBABLY A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BUT THIS ALSO GOES TO THE PD AS WELL. I DIDN'T TALK TO BALLY, I DIDN'T TALK TO MARSHALL MORRIS UNTIL YESTERDAY, TWO DAYS AGO, YESTERDAY BECAUSE IT RAINED. I WAS THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE AS NEGATIVES OR TRAINING GROUNDS. THERE'S A TON OF NEGATIVES, SO TO SPEAK OF WHY OUR DEPARTMENT IS HAVING ISSUES RECRUITING STAFF. BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD RETHINK THAT. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAME IN WITH A REALLY COOL VIDEO. THAT STOLE SOME PEOPLE AWAY FROM HERE, I'M SURE. BUT WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT IT AS, HEY, THIS IS A TRAINING GROUNDS. SO IF YOU WANT YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER TO SKYROCKET, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE YOU COME IN FIVE YEARS, YOU LEARN. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AND I HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULE WITH HEATHER AND ROBBIE NEXT WEEK, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD START DOING IS IS THAT HISTORICALLY, OUR MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAS BEEN ON THE OTHER END OF THE CAREER. IT'S BEEN OUR RETIRED PEOPLE WHO HAVE RETIRED FROM GPD, PEOPLE WHO HAVE RETIRED FROM THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT, PEOPLE WHO HAVE RETIRED FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET THEM TO TAKE ON SOME OF THESE NEW TASKS THAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO BECAUSE A RETIRED PERSON DON'T WANT TO WORK SATURDAY NIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THING WE COULD BE IS WE COULD USE THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AS AN ENTRY POINT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AN AREA FOR US TO OVER HIRE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY CAN DRAW FROM OVER TIME. >> AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, BUT REMEMBER, THEY HAVE TO BE CIVIL SERVICE TESTED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WITH THEM, THEY JUST HAVE TO HAVE THEIR [INAUDIBLE] CERTIFICATION. >> THAT WOULD FIT INTO IT. TO ME, I'D SEE THAT BEING A LONG TERM OFFICER STICKING AROUND. THEY KNOW THE INS AND OUTS AND THE NUANCES, ESPECIALLY WITH ENFORCEMENT. >> I VISITED WITH AT LENGTH WITH VERNON HILL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. EVERY SINGLE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MAJOR POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE UNITED STATES IS DOWN HUGE AMOUNTS. HEATHER, I'M SURE YOU CAN ATTEST TO THAT. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> SO IT'S NOT JUST THE GALVESTON THING. IT'S A NOBODY WANTING TO DO THAT STUFF ANYMORE. >> WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS TOO. I'M NOT PICKING ON ANYBODY'S POLITICS BUT THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK, NOT MALIK, THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY MAYOR WHO'S PROBABLY GOING TO WIN, HE STATED HE'S DEFUND POLICE. MAYBE WE LOOK AT THOSE TRENDS AND POACH. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HEY, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU'LL NEVER EVER HAVE TO WALK THE BEAT IN SNOWSHOES IN GALVESTON. TO AN EXTENT. >> WE HAVE DONE VERY WELL WITH OUR LATERALS IN PD, WITH OUR BONUS PROGRAM AND THE LATERALS ARE GREAT BECAUSE WE CAN PUT THEM TO WORK RIGHT AWAY. WE'RE ACTUALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE IN PD NOW. THEY WERE DOWN LIKE 11, WHICH IS LIKE YEAH, [06:30:01] I MEAN, CONSIDERING WHERE WE'VE BEEN AT SOME POINTS, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD. BUT MY GOAL WOULD BE TO GET US TO PRETTY CLOSE TO 100% IN PD, AND THEN TEST AND WHILE PEOPLE ARE WAITING TO GO TO WORK IN THE PD. >> THEY WORK IN THE MARSHALS. >> WE CAN KEEP RUNNING CONSTANT TEST. THAT WAY, WE HAVE A READY GROUP READY TO GO FOR PD. THEY'VE GOT THEIR, THEY JUST HAVE TO TEST OR THEY CAN EVEN GO AHEAD AND TEST. I DON'T CARE. BUT PART OF THAT MAKING NETWORK IS WE GOT TO GET TO 100% PD, AND THAT'S HAPPENED IN MY 15 YEARS ONCE FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES. >> LET'S USE OUR RESOURCES, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THAT WE'RE INCAPABLE OF DOING IT, BUT IF WE'RE BETTER SUITED TO CONTRACT OUT, A MARKETING PLAN FOR RECRUITMENT. >> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS TOO I'VE TALKED TO BEVERLY ABOUT DOING, OF COURSE, BUDGETS HAVE BEEN TIGHT, BUT I REALLY BELIEVE WE NEED A PUBLIC SAFETY RECRUITER IN OUR HR DEPARTMENT THAT DOES FULL TIME RECRUITMENT. BANKS HAVE FULL TIME RECRUITERS. EVERYBODY HAS FULL TIME RECRUIT. WE DO NOT. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIME WE DO IT AND THEN RECRUITS WERE WAS FIRED POLICE. IT'S JUST FINDING A WAY TO FUND IT IS THE HARD PART. >> YEAH. >> LET'S THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT. >> PARKS HAVE BEEN OPEN FOR A WHILE. >> I KNOW. >> I'M FULL OF IDEAS, AND YOU KNOW I'M ALWAYS GOING TO TRY TO HELP. >> YEAH. I'VE HEARD YOUR [INAUDIBLE]. >> I KNOW [LAUGHTER]. I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO [OVERLAPPING] TALK TO YOU MOM. >> I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO HELP. >> WE'RE WORKING ON IT. ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS HOLDING HIS BACK WAS ONE THE HIRING FREEZE, BUT TWO WAS GETTING A NEW CITY MARSHAL IN HERE THAT CAN BUILD HER TEAM. THAT'S WHAT SHE HAVE TO BUILD IT FAST, BUT SHE'S HERE. >> ESPECIALLY THAT NIGHTTIME WEEKEND PEOPLE. THAT SHOULD BE YOUR FIRST PRIORITY JUST SAYING. >> WELL, ACTUALLY, IT'S THE SAME MAYBE NOT THE NIGHTTIME, BUT THE WEEKENDS THE SAME THING ALEX IS ASKING FOR. BECAUSE I AGREE, WE DON'T HAVE A GIANT LITTER PROBLEM ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON. >> IT'S NOT SELECTIVE [OVERLAPPING]. >> I DON'T KNOW. PEOPLE GENERALLY HERE. LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE FOLKS GROW UP. THAT YOU SEE. >> IT'S CRAZY. PEOPLE HAVE NO. >> I'LL STOP THEM AND I'LL YELL AT. I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET SHOT ONE DAY. >> YEAH. THAT IS IT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ALEX [OVERLAPPING] ESPECIALLY ON THE SEA WALL. >> YOU START THINKING ABOUT [LAUGHTER] JUST START THINKING ABOUT WHETHER IT BE IN HOUSE OR IF WE DO SOME KIND OF CREATIVE THINKING WITH EITHER MARISSA OR WE NEED TO HIRE OUT FOR MARKETING OR CONTRACT IT OUT FOR YOU KNOW, MORE RECRUITMENT THEN LET'S DO THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA IF WE CAN USE THE MARSHALS AS A PATHWAY AND GPD? >> I WOULD LOVE THAT. >> I WOULD FULLY, I THINK SUPPORT THAT AS WELL, AND THAT COULD BREED. >> FOR A BRIEF TIME, WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE I THINK WE HAVE SIX CADET POSITIONS THAT ARE OVER HIRES IN PD. WE'VE NEVER REALLY WE'VE USED THEM, LIKE ONCE OR TWICE BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER BEEN FULL. BUT THAT WOULD BE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR GOAL TO GET THERE. >> I HAVE A GREAT IDEA OF WHAT WE COULD DO BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY YOUNG ISLAND ENTERTAINERS. WE COULD DO A SONG CONTEST. [OVERLAPPING]. >> LET'S THE NEXT ITEM. >> WE GET A LOT OF PRESS OUT THERE. [3.S Discussion on the Extension of Lasker Pool Services (Porretto/Rawlins - 15 min)] >> READ THAT ITEM [OVERLAPPING]. >> DISCUSSION OF THE EXTENSION OF LASCAR POOL SERVICES. >> STOP BY ALEX. I GOT ANOTHER IDEA ON TO. >> ALEX, YOU AND BONNIE, THIS IS EXTENSION OF ALASKA. >> THE GROUP THAT GOT THEIR SIGNATURES TOGETHER, I EXPLAINED TO THEM THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS THE CITIES UNDER. BASICALLY, TO BE HONEST, I NEVER THOUGHT THAT THE ROSENBERG PARK WOULD GET ALL THE FUNDING THEY GOT, BUT THE COMMUNITY GOT A SHOT AND HELL, THEY DID IT. THIS IS THAT SAME PRINCIPLE. IF FOUNDATIONS WANT TO KICK IN, IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO FUND RAISING, IF THERE'S A NUMBER THAT THEY HAVE TO HIT, THAT THEY CAN GET TO BETTER PARKS TO GIVE OVER TO THE CITY, THEY'RE INTERESTED. THEY'RE REALLY INTERESTED, AND THAT'S ALL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. AT WHAT NUMBER? >> WELL, THAT THEY WOULD. IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMBER FOR OPERATION WELL, FOR COSTS FOR OPERATING IN THE POOL WITH THE HEATER AND EVERYTHING, IT'S LIFEGUARDS. ONLY HAVE TWO FULL TIME AND THAT'S A MANAGER AND ASSISTANT MANAGER. THE OTHER LADY THAT WORKS THERE IS 70% POCKET PARK AND 30% AT THE POOL. SHE'S NOT A CERTIFIED LIFEGUARD. MOST OF OUR WELL, ALL OF OUR LIFEGUARDS ARE EITHER COLLEGE STUDENTS OR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. YOU'RE TALKING WE'D HAVE TO HIRE SOME FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS MONEY. >> COULD WE DO A VOLUNTEER PROGRAM? >> THAT DOESN'T REALLY WORK. [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T THINK THAT WORK IN OUR INSURANCE. CML WON'T SMILE AT THAT. [06:35:02] YOU WOULD ONLY HAVE TWO FULL TIME PEOPLE, AND THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THEY DO THEIR TIME TO TAKE OFF BECAUSE THEY'VE ALWAYS WORKED OVER 40 HOURS. THEY ONLY CAN RECEIVE 40 HOURS OF COMP TIME. SOME OF THE TWO LADIES THAT ARE BASICALLY NUMBER ONE AND TWO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY A LOT OF TIME. >> IDC, WHAT'S THE BUDGET WE'RE PULLING FOR? >> 500,000. >> THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP. >> WELL, WE TRIED TO FREEZE IT. WE'RE WORK IN THE OTHER DIRECTION BECAUSE IDC HASN'T WANTED TO INCREASE THAT, SO. >> I KNOW. >> WE'RE CREATING, WE'RE CUTTING BACK TO KEEP THE 500. >> [OVERLAPPING]. JUST LIKE TODAY, YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A DONATION, BETTER PARKS PAID TO SAND AND RE SEAL AND PAINT THE PLAY STRUCTURE AND AS POOL, AND THAT'S ALMOST $10,000. EVENTUALLY, THAT POOL IS GOING TO NEED TO BE RESURFACED. THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO COME PROBABLY IN ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO WITH A CONTRACT THROUGH PROGRESSIVE TO CHANGE OUT OUR CORONATOR AND SOME OTHER THINGS. POOLS ARE LIKE OATS. >> YOU LOVE TELL ME. >> VERY GOOD. >> BUT I MEAN, YES, WE'D BE WILLING TO LOOK AT IT. YEAH. >> THAT'S RIGHT [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK WHAT ALEX IS SAYING IS USING BETTER PARKS AS THE CONDUIT, IF THEY COULD RAISE THESE LADIES COULD RAISE MONEY. >> RIGHT. >> USE IT GO THROUGH BETTER PARKS? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THEY NEED TO CHARGE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S CORPORATE STUFF FRIEDA, THAT WAS THE SEAWALL THING. LIKE, LET'S I. LET'S LET'S IF THE COMMUNITY REALLY I MEAN, THEY'RE BUGGING ME ABOUT IT AND I FEEL FOR THEM AND I WANT THEM TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET THEM DO THE LATE WORK AND MAYBE THEY CAN GET SOMETHING DONE. >> WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO DO REDUCED HOURS. THAT WAY WE COULD HANDLE IT WITH JUST THE TWO FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, MAYBE THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO PICK UP SOME PART TIMERS TO SWIM. I MEAN, THEY GOT TO BE CERTIFIED. I'M NOT SAYING NO. THE ONLY POOL THAT'S HEAT, IT'S POOL, NOT THE CHILDREN'S SECTION. WE'RE ONLY TALKING PROBABLY LAP SWIMMING AND WATER FITNESS. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. >> THAT IS WANT THEY. >> CAN YOU QUICKLY TELL ME WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU WANT TO EXTEND THE POOL TIMES? >> THE POOL OUT, THE SERVICE TIME IS FROM ENDS IN OCTOBER AND OPENS UP IN MARCH. >> APRIL APRIL, THE THIRD WEEK IN APRIL. >> WE'RE ONE OF THE LONGEST OPERATING POOLS IN THE COMMUNITY. >> COMMUNITY POOLS. [OVERLAPPING] WE ALREADY OPERATE LONGER THAN ANYBODY ELSE DOES. >> WHAT TIME ARE YOU TRYING TO EXTEND? >> IF IT'S A FEW MONTHS OR I MEAN, THEY REALLY LIKE YEAR ROUND, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE FEASIBILITY OF THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT. >> THAT OUR HEATERS COULD ACCOMPLISH THAT. >> YES. >> LET'S LET'S LOOK AT THE EXTENDED TWO, THREE MONTHS COST. THEY WANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. I THINK GIVING. >> WON'T YOU GET A NUMBER TO ALEX FOR WHAT [OVERLAPPING]? >> YEAH. OUR ISSUE IS TOO IS COST, WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST IS HEAT POOL. IT JUST GOES RIGHT OUT. YEAH WE'D HAVE TO BUY SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT TO TRY TO HOLD THOSE MATS TO HOLD IN THE HEAT. TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PRICE. >> I APPRECIATE. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. [3.T Discussion of FY26 Budget Regarding Savings & Efficiency Solutions (Porretto/Rawlins - 30 mins)] 3D, PLEASE. >> THREE D. DISCUSSION OF FY 26 BUDGET REGARDING SAVINGS AND EFFICIENCY SOLUTIONS. ONE, EXPAND CITY FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS TO TWO A MONTH DURING BUDGET SEASON. TWO, COUNCIL RESOLUTION FOR 5% EFFICIENCIES FOR EACH DEPARTMENT AND ENTERPRISE FUND. THREE, IDENTIFY DUPLICATE SERVICES BETWEEN CITY PARK BOARD AND WARS BOARD. FOUR, 250,000 YEAR MARKED FOR AN EFFICIENCY CONSULTANT FOR FY 26, AND FIVE, CITIZEN AND EMPLOYEE RECOMMENDATION PROGRAM FOR EFFICIENCIES. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BOB AND I WERE DISCUSSING BUDGET THIS YEAR, AND IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T OWN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT THIS I'M TAKING THIS ONE REALLY SERIOUSLY AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN STRETCH THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLAR AS FAR AS WE CAN GO. I KNOW THAT I GET A LOT OF GUFF FOR TRYING TO DO THAT, BUT WE REALLY OWE IT TO THE TAXPAYERS. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE IDEAS, AND THE MY POINTE AND MARIE POINTE TO THE FINANCE AND FISCAL AFFAIRS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COMMITTEE MEET TWO TIMES A MONTH DURING BUDGET SEASON. I REALLY THINK THAT WITH HOW MUCH EMPHASIS WE PUT ON THE LAST, AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO MR. GALVESTON, MAYOR SCHREIBER AND 2068 THERE WAS ARTICLES THAT THEY WERE GOING OVER THE BUDGET FOR THREE MONTHS BACK AND FORTH, DEBATING IT. LAST YEAR DURING THE BUDGET SEASON, [06:40:04] I THINK THIS COUNCIL WORKED VERY HARD TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE AND NOT GET DOWN TO THE WIRE, LIKE LAST TIME, BUT UPFRONT. I KNOW WE HAVE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNCIL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE IDEAS MIGHT JUST GET THROWN IN THE TRASH, BUT, SOME OF THEM, I THINK EXPANSION, A CITIZEN EMPLOYEE RECOMMENDATION PROGRAM WHERE IF CITIZENS HAVE AN IDEA THAT CAN SAVE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, LET'S PUT IT ON THE TABLE. THE STAFF FROM THE LOWEST LEVEL TO THE MID MANAGER TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL, IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT, HEY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN CUT COSTS AND NOT DECREASE OUR SERVICE LEVEL? I THINK ALSO TO, ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO DO, IS IDENTIFY BECAUSE THEY TALK ABOUT THIS IN CONGRESS. EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT CUTTING PROGRAMS, BUT THEY DON'T, WHEN YOU SAY WHAT PROGRAMS, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TO CUT. LET'S LOOK AT WHAT OUR SERVICE LEVEL IS. LET'S IDENTIFY THE SERVICE LEVEL THAT WE GIVE. LET'S SAY THIS IS THE BASELINE. IF WE CAN IDENTIFY MAYBE A SERVICE THAT'S UNDER UTILIZED, THAT COULD BE ROLLED INTO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR ANOTHER FUNCTION. HEY, WE SAVE THE TAXPAYER SOME MONEY, AND WE ROLLED IN A SERVICE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY CUT. OR SOMETIMES MAYBE ONE OR TWO IT GETS USED ONE OR TWO TIMES, AND IT'S NOT WORTH THE DOLLAR TO CUT IT. THIS IS JUST WHAT I'M THINKING OF NOW SO THAT WHEN IT COMES BUDGET TIME, ALL THE WAY DOWN NOT TO THE WIRE, BUT WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE DO HAVE. I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT IN PEOPLE'S MINDS THAT THIS IS WHERE MY BRAIN'S COMING INTO IT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE COUNSEL'S THOUGHTS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. >> YES, DAVID. >> I THINK YOUR FIRST ITEM IS ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON. IF YOU MAY RECALL THEY ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO COUNSEL, AND WE JUST TOOK IT AND TORE IT APART LAST YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE A FINANCE COMMITTEE THAT WE COULD TRUST, THAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY COME FORWARD WITH, MAYBE WE MAKE SOME SMALL TWEAKS, BUT NOT WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. IF IT NEEDS TO GO TO TWO TIMES A MONTH, THEN ABSOLUTELY, I'D SUPPORT IT. NOW, MY QUESTION IS PROCEDURALLY, HOW DO YOU DO THAT? IS THAT I'M LOOKING TO LEGAL COUNSEL, BY THE WAY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN DO JUST BY DIRECTION OF COUNSEL OR IS THAT SOMETHING THEY ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY HAVE TO CHANGE? >> I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMMITTEE. THEY CAN SCHEDULE THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS. I BELIEVE I'M SKIMMING THROUGH IT. THERE'S JUST A MINIMUM NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ATTEND. IF THERE'S MORE MEETINGS THAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN YOU CAN PUT IT IN. >> OKAY. I'D WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT YOU ON THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO FEEL MORE CONFIDENT IN THE EFFORTS THAT COMMITTEE PUTS FORWARD. I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TELL THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW THAT I WANT THEM TO BE EMBOLDENED AND EMPOWERED IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE TO HAVE THOSE HARD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF. TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS AND NOT JUST TO SIMPLY SAY, OH, WELL, THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. I'VE GOTTEN SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM A COMMITTEE MEMBER WHO FELT LIKE THEY WERE JUST THERE TO CHECK A BOX, AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL THAT WAY. IF OUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO DEDICATE THE TIME TO SPEND ON THESE ISSUES FOR THE CITY, THEN I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE BEING HEARD AND THAT THEY ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO COUNCIL. >> ACTUALLY, DAVID USED TO BE THAT WAY UNTIL 2015 WAS LESSENED. IT USED TO BE THEY WERE THE WHOLE PRECURSOR. [OVERLAPPING]. >> THIS WAY POPS. >> LAST YEAR, DIDN'T THE COMMITTEE COME OUT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID? >> YES. >> THEY DID. >> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, THEIR RECOMMEND DID THE MAJORITY DID. YEAH. THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMITTEE CAME FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO RAISE THE TAX RATE. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WHATEVER IT WAS. BUT WE WENT BACK TO JUST KEEPING IT THE SAME WAY? >> RIGHT. BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S GOOD. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEY'LL COME OUT WITH OPPOSITE RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> USUALLY WILL. >> I MEAN, I GET IT. I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH, IT COMES DOWN TO US AS POLICYMAKERS TO ESTABLISH THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] I'LL GO THROUGH THE HARD CONVERSATIONS AGAIN. >> BUT TO THE POINT THAT YOU SAID THAT A COMMITTEE MEMBER SAID TO YOU, I'VE HAD COMMIT ON THE EX-OFFICIO. AT MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO. [06:45:01] I'VE HEARD THAT SAME THING THAT. >> JUST WANT THEM TO HEAR THAT, THAT THEY'RE BEING HEARD. >> PART OF THE ISSUE, MY HISTORY WITH THEM HAS BEEN LIKE YOU'LL HAVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT THEY DON'T VALUE CERTAIN SERVICES THAT COUNSEL DO. WE HAD A COMMITTEE MEMBER FOR YEARS THAT WANTED US TO ELIMINATE ALL TRANSIT. >> YEAH, I MEAN, [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'LL BE SO YOU MAY GET STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHERE I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, TO ME, I THINK THEY'RE GREAT TO LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL STUFF AND MAKE FINANCIAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT I THINK IN TERMS OF SERVICE LEVELS AND POLICY ISSUES, THOSE ARE [INAUDIBLE]. >> SURE. UNDERSTAND. REGARDING I MEAN, BRIAN, I'D LOOK TO YOU FOR KIND OF THE RESPONSE ON OUR ACTION ON ITEM TWO. I MEAN, AS YOU ALL GO THROUGH, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH AND CREATING BUDGETS RIGHT NOW AND A TARGET FOR A 5% EFFICIENCY IN EACH DEPARTMENT, ENTERPRISE FUND. I MEAN, TELL ME HOW THAT FEELS. WHAT DOES THAT FEEL? >> THAT'S THAT SERVICE LEVEL. LIKE THAT I BOUNCED IT BACK AND FORTH AND GOT SOME GUFF FOR IT. BUT IT'S IF WE'RE LOOKING AT BEING EFFICIENT. HOW DO WE STRETCH THAT DOLLAR. WHEN, I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE. THE UPDATE FOR THESE OVERAGE FUNDS, IT TOOK A LONG TIME, AND IT WASN'T AS EFFICIENT AS I'D LIKE IT TO BE WHEN, IT'S MY OPINION, IT'S A QUICKER PROCESS. THAT'S NOT GIVING ANYBODY ANY GRIEF. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET'S MAYBE BOUNCE IT BACK TO SOME OF THE STAFF LEVEL. LET'S BOUNCE IT BACK TO AGAIN, THE CITIZEN LEVEL AND IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN BE EFFICIENT. WE CAN SHAVE OFF A LITTLE HERE. BUT, REALIZING THAT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY OUR SERVICE LEVEL FIRST. [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO MEASURE YOURSELF AGAINST? >> YES. >> YEAH. WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT SERVICE LEVEL AND LOOK AT, I GUESS IT WOULD BE SERVICE EFFICIENCY. >> MAY OR CAN I CONTINUE ON IT? >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT TOO. I LOOK AT BRIAN AS THE BUDGET OFFICER FOR THIS CITY. BRIAN BRINGS A BUDGET BACK TO US THAT IS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE, BUT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE QUALITY OF SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO THAT WE SUPPLY TO OUR RESIDENTS. THEN WE WORK FROM THERE. I THINK BRIAN AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP MY BOUNDS, BUT I THINK THIS YEAR YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY BRINGING A NO NEW REVENUE. >> I MEAN, THAT'S THE GOAL. WE'RE GOING TO TRY. >> THEN IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO COUNSEL TO SAY, WE'RE $5,000,000 IN THE DEFICIT WITH THIS NO NEW REVENUE. NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? THAT'S WHAT YOU DID LAST YEAR. >> I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO GET YOU AS LEAN AS WE CAN WITHOUT REDUCING SERVICE LEVELS. IF THERE'S CERTAIN SERVICE LEVELS, YOU THINK ARE TOO HIGH, THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO GO. I MEAN, WHEN 60 PLUS PERCENT OF YOUR BUDGET IS PUBLIC SAFETY, AND YOU SAY, DON'T CUT PUBLIC SAFETY. IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE THOSE NUMBERS. >> NO. IT DEPENDS ON AS YOU LOOK AT EACH. >> I MEAN, IT'S REFRESHING TO ME TO SAY 5% ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS. I THINK THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. >> THAT'D BE GREAT. I MEAN, THE GOAL, WHAT 5% OF WHAT WE SPEND IN PD AND FR HAS A LOT OF MONEY. IT MAKES MY DAY EASY EASY. >> WELL, BREAKING DOWN LIKE IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN SIMPLY, ACCORDING TO TO [INAUDIBLE] REPORT. WE'RE LOOKING AT 83 MILLION, 2025, 82 POINT WHATEVER? 3.4 SHORT. THE 0.4 SHORT. NO, I WAS JUST TAKING TOTAL. 82.9. THE EXPENDITURE SIDE? ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> FISCAL YEAR 2025 ESTIMATE 82,909. EXPENDITURES. >> I GOT [INAUDIBLE] >> IN ESSENCE, IF WE BREAK THAT DOWN, THAT AS JUST 83 MILLION, 61% PUBLIC SAFETY. IN THE SIMPLE TERMS, WE'RE DEALING WITH ONLY 32.4 MILLION BECAUSE PUBLIC SAFETY IS GENERALLY UNTOUCHABLE WITH. >> IF YOU EXCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY FROM THIS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S 61% OF YOUR BUDGET. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, 61% TAKES AWAY 50 MILLION OF 83 MILLION. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY DEALING WITH 32.4 MILLION AS FAR AS ACTUAL BEING ABLE TO CUT AND SUGGEST. [06:50:04] >> WHY WOULD YOU NOT APPLY THAT TO GENERATING EFFICIENCIES WITHIN PUBLIC SAFETY? >> NO, WE CAN. OF COURSE, WE CAN. BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S GENERALLY IF WE TAKE THAT OUT AND HAVE BASICALLY TWO PARTS. ONE BEING PUBLIC SAFETY, ONE BEING ALL ARREST. TO BREAK IT DOWN ON SIMPLE TERMS, AS FAR AS, LIKE, CUTTING ACROSS 5% ACROSS THE BOARD. INCLUDING MANAGEMENT AND ALL. I MEAN, THAT'S IF WE'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO, BUT IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE STARTING NOW. IS AT EACH OTHER'S THROAT AND CHILLA. >> IF I GO STRAIGHT, THERE'S MORE THAN 5% THERE. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. HE'S DOING MORE THAN WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. >> I'M NOT REQUESTING THAT YET. I'M SAYING I'M JUST SAYING TO ME, THERE'S TWO PARTS THAT WE CAN BREAK THIS DOWN. I MEAN, WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN IN PUBLIC SAFETY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. AS A PART. BUT I THINK THE AND THEN 32 MILLION AS A PART. >> WE'RE IN THIS ALTOGETHER IS, HEY, IF STAFFS AGAIN, FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM, HAVE IDEAS THAT, HEY, MAYBE WE CAN DO THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. MAYBE MAYBE THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS AN ISSUE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO COMMUNICATE TO YOUR STAFFS, BUT THAT'S IF WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AND WE'RE REALIZING, HEY, IF WE SHAVE HERE, SHAVE HERE, WE DON'T CUT SERVICE LEVELS, MAYBE THERE'S MAYBE THERE'S SOME AGAIN, NOT A REWARD IF YOU DO THIS, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE EXTRA THERE FOR SOME RATE. >> I TRUST ME. I HEAR THE NO NEW REVENUE TALK, AND THEN I GET A LITTLE GUFF FOR IT, BUT I MEAN, AND I THINK THAT'S FINE. THE WAY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO WORK, THE WAY GOVERNMENT IS SET UP, THE WAY IT'S WORKED ALL 30-PLUS YEARS IN MY GOVERNMENTAL EXPERIENCES, YOU GUYS TELL ME THE SERVICE LEVELS YOU WANT. YOU GUYS GIVE US YOUR COUNSEL PRIORITIES, AND YOU GIVE ME WHERE YOUR TARGET IS ON YOUR TAX RATE, AND I BRING IT BACK TO YOU, AND I MAKE IT WORK. >> HAVE WE EVER HAVE WE EVER OR ANY COUNSEL IN YOUR TENURE, THEY HAVE THEY EVER IDENTIFIED A BASELINE SERVICE LEVEL? LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE OFFER AT THE MOMENT. WHAT ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH? >> I THINK THE SERVICE LEVEL CHANGES FROM YEAR TO YEAR, SO I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHENEVER IT'S HOT ON EVERYBODY'S MIND. >> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST, BUT EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A DIFFERENT FEELING ON THAT. >> IT'D BE HARDER TO AGREE ON THE STEWART BEACH. YOU PUT IT TO YOU THAT WAY? >> IF BRIAN BRING BACK AND NO NEW REVENUE RATE. >> WE'VE GOT TWO NEW CONTRACT UPDATES THIS YEAR. POLICE GETS UP THIS YEAR AND FIRE IS UP FOR NEGOTIATIONS. [INAUDIBLE] GIVEN YOU HER NUMBERS. WE HAVEN'T STARTED WELL, WE HAVE AN IDEA ON PD, I THINK. >> PDS INCLUDED FIRE THE PROJECTIONS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS UNDER NEGOTIATION. >> UNDER NEGOTIATION. >> WHEN YOU DO THE BUDGETS IN THE PAST, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU PRETTY WELL STAY AWAY FROM PUBLIC SAFETY? >> YOU TOLD ME TO LAST YEAR. >> YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. A PART OF BEING AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLY, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY? >> ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT, THEN THAT'S GOT TO COVER EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE LIKE WHAT BOTH POINTED OUT, IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ADDRESS THE 32.6 MILLION, THAT MEANS YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 1.5 MILLION, 1.7 MILLION WORTH OF SAVINGS. IF YOU ADD IN THE ENTIRE EXPENSES OF ABOUT 81, 84 MILLION, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL SAVINGS, THERE YOU GO, OF OVER $4,000,000, I THINK THAT BROADLY ACROSS THE BOARD. >> YOU DON'T BROAD-BRUSH APPLY 5% ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE 5% THAT. IT'S WE HAVE ONE OR TWO ORGANIZATIONS. UNLESS YOU'RE JUST GOING TO STOP THAT SERVICE, THEN YOU CAN'T DO THAT. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS STARTS NOW BECAUSE CHILLA OUTLINED US VERY CLEARLY, AS I SAID, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHATEVER THE GAP WAS, WHAT I SAY IT WAS $45 MILLION. BUT BY THE TIME YOU GET OUT TO 2030 AT THE CURRENT TAX RATE THAT SHE'S PROPOSING, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT A GAP OF OVER $10 MILLION. >> I MEAN, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT YOUR NEW REVENUE RATE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHICH CURRENT TAX RATE IS. WE DIDN'T GET THAT GROWTH. >> WE'RE DIGGING A HOLE HERE. >> YOU CAN'T KEEP GIVING RAISES EVERY YEAR AND THEN EXPECT IT TO STAY THE SAME. >> THE SAME. >> I THINK THAT MAYBE AS YOU START TO START TO THINK ABOUT YOUR PRIORITIES THAT YOU WANT TO CONVEY TO STAFF, THAT THIS IDEA OF JUST HAVING AN OVERALL GOAL OF 5% EFFICIENCY ACROSS THE ENTIRE, I MEAN, THAT SHOULD THAT FEELS REASONABLE. [06:55:04] ALSO, I THINK IT SORT OF TAKES OUT THE NEED, MAYBE FOR A CONSULTANT. THESE ARE OPTIONS [INAUDIBLE] >> THE CONSULTANT IDEA, IF THAT'S WHY, IT FOLLOWS JUST A SPITBALL THOUGHT PROCESS, DUPLICATE SERVICES BETWEEN PARK FORD CITY, WARS BOARD. IF WE CAN IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE. MAYBE THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS THAT A CONSULTANT COULD SAY, HEY, THREE ENTITIES KICK IN, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO. THIS IS HOW WE CAN SAVE IT. IT'S A HOLISTIC VIEW OF NOT GETTING DOWN TO THE WIRE AND YELLING AND SCREAMING AND DOING THIS IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE ALL. >> I PLAN ON HITTING WHATEVER BUDGET TARGET YOU'LL GET. >> I GOT YOU. I CAN CONVEY SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO IF YOU HAVE IDEAS FOR THE DEPARTMENTS. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC SAFETY CAN LIVE WITHOUT. IT'S A COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION AND IT DOESN'T TWIST TOO MANY ARMS. >> I HAD A WHOLE MEETING TODAY OF LISTENING NOW WE NEED MORE PUBLIC SAFETY. >> THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME COMPETING INTERESTS AND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT FOR A BOND, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE TAX RATE TO OUR RESIDENTS. >> I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE VOTERS VOTING FOR THAT. I REALLY DO. I THINK IF YOU TRY TO CRAM THE BONDS IN YOUR CURRENT TAX RATE, THEN I THINK YOU'RE NOT GO TO NET IT. >> REMEMBER, THIS IS ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE EQUATION. THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS EQUATION IS, HOW DO YOU INCREASE REVENUE? WE DO MULTIPLE DISCUSSION AS SOME US. >> FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT I'VE KEPT UP WITH COUNSEL, MAYBE BECAUSE I'M ON IT, BUT THIS COUNSEL IS REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT GROWTH, KEEPING THE TAX RATE LOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING. I REALLY THINK WE ARE ADDRESSING A LOT OF THE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN A LINGERING PROBLEM FOR A VERY LONG TIME HERE, AND IT'S REFRESHING. IT'S FRUSTRATING AT TIMES, BUT I THINK WE'RE I MEAN, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE WORK, GUYS. 430. >> NO, YOU ARE PUTTING IN THE WORK. >> I JUST 30 MINUTES FOR ITEMS. >> WE'VE GOT SOME THOROUGHBREDS WORKING FOR US. YOU SAW THE PEOPLE LIKE THAT. THOSE PEOPLE DON'T COME CHEAP, AND THEY DON'T STAY AROUND FOR FLAT LINE. >> I GOT IT. >> THERE'S A LOT TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU MAKE THESE CHANGES. IT'S GOOD TO DO IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BALANCE IT. YOU DO. >> THAT'S ALL. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT IT OUT IN THE PUBLIC, SO THEY UNDERSTAND WE ARE LOOKING AT THEIR TAX DOLLARS WITH CRYING EYES AND WE ACTUALLY CARE. >> HUNDRED PERCENT. >> I'M NOT SAYING Y'ALL DON'T. YOU ALL DO, TOO, AND HIS SLEEPLESS NIGHT. >> I WOULD SAY THIS. ALL THE PAST COUNSEL, WHICH YOU'VE MENTIONED, I HEAR FROM EVERY COUNSEL. THEY SAY THE SAME THING. THEY WANT TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. THEY WANT TO KEEP THE TAX RATE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. IN THE PAST, WE'VE ASKED BRIAN TO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WHAT I HEAR COUNSEL SAYING NOW IS, LET'S LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY. >> I AM GOING TO KEEP HIS I AM GOING TO KEEP [INAUDIBLE] CREATION HERE. WHERE DID THAT GO? >> AMALGAMATION OF SLEEPLESS NIGHTS. >> NO. >> CHRISTINE. >> THE ISLAND OF PURPOSED. NO, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP HER UP. I'M GOING TO KEEP HER CHART HERE OF COMPARISON OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. SHOW THAT PERFECT RATIO OF 167 TO ONE? >> IRONICALLY, THAT'S ABOUT HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS YOU HAVE TO. >> THAT IS WHAT'S CRAZY. SPEND MONEY DEDICATED. THAT'S JUST CRAZY. ANYWAY, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS LITERALLY IN MY TRUCK. >> WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH I KNOW WE'VE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH SENATOR MIDDLETON BEFORE, AND HE SEA, BUT YOU GET ALL THE SALES TAX. I WISH EVERYBODY THAT CAME TO GALVESTON SPENT THEIR MONEY HERE. I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARY OF SALES TAX. FOR GALVESTON IS BUCKEYES. >> BUT I MEAN, I'VE ACTUALLY PULLED THE REPORTS, AND SALES TAX IS A 50/50 THING, 50% RESIDENTS, 50% TOURS. >> WELL, THEN THAT DON'T WORK OUT ON THAT RATIO. >> YEAR-ROUND, YEAH. >> WELL, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THIS SALES TAX THING ENOUGH. EVERYBODY HERE PAYS A CELL PHONE BILL. THAT SALES TAX. EVERYBODY HERE GOES TO THE GROCERY WELL, SOME OF IT IS SALES TAX. WE GO TO HOME DEPOT. THERE'S WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, [07:00:01] IT PROBABLY WILL NOT SURPRISE YOU HOW MUCH THE RESIDENTS PAY IN THE SALES TAX. LET'S JUST PUT IT LIKE THAT. >> I SAY THAT LAST THING. >> THE NUMBER WILL PROBABLY SURPRISE US. >> HOW MUCH SALES TAX IS PAID BY THE RESIDENTS? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I WOULD THINK SO. I TELL YOU ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WOULD SURPRISE US. I WANT TO GET A WHOLE OTHER THING STARTED, ON HOW BENEFICIAL FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT, TOURISM IS ON THIS LAD. IT'S A OH, MAN, IT IS ONE ECONOMIC ENGINE. >> IT'S A LOT 100%, BUT I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IT'S LIKE, CONSIDERING THAT, TO SUPPORT THAT, WHICH IS, AGAIN, COSTLY TO SUPPORT THAT THROUGH STRUCTURE THROUGH PUBLIC SAFETY, THROUGH COST OF LIVING AND DEALING WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS AND CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, DEEPLY ESTABLISHED. I MEAN, WE PAY THE PRICES LOCALS, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET MORE BENEFIT. >> IT FRUSTRATES ME BECAUSE THE STATE OF TEXAS, THROUGH THE GLO, MAKES US HANG OUT OUR SHINGLE. IT SAYS, COME ONE, COME ALL TO OUR BEACHES, UNFETTERED, UNUSED, NO LIMITATIONS, USE OUR BEACHES. THEY'RE OPEN TO YOU, WHICH IS, I THINK, THE RIGHT THING. LET ME QUALIFY WITH THAT. BUT WITH THAT, YOU'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN THE BEACHES, YOU'VE GOT TO LIFEGUARD THE BEACHES, YOU HAVE TO PATROL THEM. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY GETS HURT. YOU HAVE TO I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL TO GET THEM THERE, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING FOR THEM, YOU HAVE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS. THERE'S A HUGE EXPENSE WITH HANGING OUT THE SHINGLE TO COME ON, COME OFF FOR TEXAS; THIS IS SHARED AMONGST ALL COASTAL CITIES. I THINK IF TEXAS REALLY WANTS TO TRULY MAINTAIN OPEN BEACHES WITHOUT JUST CHOKING THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE GIVE AND TAKE ON THAT. >> THE LEGISLATION THAT SAYS, MAYBE IF YOU CAN DO THIS, THAT OR THE OTHER, IMPROVE THIS, YOU CAN USE HOT TAX FOR THIS PURPOSE. MAYBE LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY. >> YOU SHOULD HIRE A LOT. >> INFRASTRUCTURE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> ALL YOUR TALKS. IT IS 437. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR ITEMS. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.