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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, AND WELCOME TO THE CITY GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
[1. Call Meeting to Order]
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.WE ALL SIGNED IN AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 3RD REGULAR MEETING.
[4. Approval of Minutes]
ARE THERE ANY [OVERLAPPING] YES, MA'AM.NOTED. MOVING ON, WE'LL GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 3RD MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITION, COMMENTS, SUBTRACTIONS? WE WILL APPROVE THOSE AS PRESENTED.
THIS IS THE TIME WHERE IF YOU ARE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON A NON AGENDA ITEM.
IF YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO JUST ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, THIS IS THE TIME YOU CAN DO SO.
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT? SEEING NO ONE WE WILL GO TO THE NEW BUSINESS 6A 24P-043.
[6.A.1. 24P-043 (Adjacent to 2504-2528 Broadway / Avenue J and 2529 Sealy / Avenue I) Request for an Abandonment of approximately 4,726 square feet of alley right-of-way. Adjacent properties are legally described as: M. B. Menard Survey; Lots 1 – 4 and Lots 8 – 14, Block 205, in the City and County Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Betty Massey Adjacent Property Owner: Broadway Monument LLC Easement Holder: City of Galveston]
>> THIS IS ADJACENT TO, [NOISE] IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ON, BUT IT IS.
THIS IS ADJACENT TO 2504-2528 BROADWAY AND 2529 CLE.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR ABANDONMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 4,726 SQUARE FEET OF ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY.
PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT FOR 10, ONE RETURNED THAT ONE IN FAVOR.
NO OBJECTION FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS WITH COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
NO OBJECTION FROM THE PRIVATE UTILITIES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE ABANDONMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 4,726 SQUARE FEET OF ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY WITHIN THE BLOCK BORDERED BY ROSENBERG 25TH STREET, BROADWAY, 26TH STREET, AND SEALY.
THE APPLICANT OWNS BOTH TRACKS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ALLEYS WESTERN PORTION AND IS SEEKING ABANDONMENT OF THE FULL WIDTH IN THAT AREA.
HOWEVER, THE OWNER OF THE REMAINING TRACKS NORTH OF THE ALLEY HAS NOT JOINED IN THE APPLICATION.
ON THE EASTERN PORTION, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ABANDONMENT OF 10 FEET OF THE ALLEY, WHICH WAS SHOWN IN THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN AND IS SHOWN NOW ON THE SCREEN.
PLEASE NOTE ZONING AND LAND USE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, IMPACT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
STAFF FINDS THE ABANDONMENT WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE PRIMARILY VACANT.
THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY INCLUDES BLOCKS WITHOUT ALLEYS.
THE ADJACENT BLOCKS TO THE NORTH EAST AND WEST DO NOT HAVE ALLEYS AND INCLUDE LARGE SCALE INSTITUTIONAL USES.
PLEASE NOTE IMPACT ON PUBLIC UTILITIES AND SERVICES, AND CRITERIA FOR PERMANENT STREET CLOSURE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
CONFORMANCE STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE ABOVE STATED CRITERIA.
THE AREA OF BROADWAY HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN ELIGIBLE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THE SUBJECT BLOCK DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY HISTORIC RESOURCES.
THE CLOSURE OF THE ALLEY HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE CITY SANITATION DEPARTMENT, AND THAT DIRECTOR HAS DETERMINED THAT THE REQUESTED CLOSURE WOULD NOT CAUSE A LOSS OF SERVICE TO THE PROPERTIES AT 9:05 25TH STREET, 2507 CLE AND 2515 CLE.
CITY COUNCIL HAS A FINAL DECISION REGARDING REQUESTS FOR ABANDONMENT.
COUNCIL WILL HEAR THIS REQUEST AT THE JULY 24TH MEETING.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL RE PLAT THE ABANDONED RIGHT OF WAY NO LATER THAN JULY 24TH, 2026.
OH, NO, THAT'S RIGHT. I'M SORRY.
THAT'S THE CORRECT DATE, JULY 24TH, 2026, AND THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A UTILITY EASEMENT DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS TO PRESERVE THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ACCESS AND MAINTAIN THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE SUBJECT ALLEY.
ITEMS 3 THROUGH 7 STANDARD, AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS.
THIS IS THE SLIDE SHOWING THE PROPOSED ABANDONMENT IN RED.
THEN WE HAVE AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH WHICH SHOWS OUTLINED IN BLUE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT THE APPLICANT OWNS.
THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE FULL WIDTH OF THE ALLEY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY OWN, AND THEN THE HALF WIDTH OF THE ABANDONMENT WHEN IN THE CASE THAT THEY DO NOT OWN BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLEY, AND ON THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE SUBJECT ALLEY, AND THEN LOOKING FROM THE ALLEY ACROSS TOWARDS CITY HALL THE BUILDING WE'RE IN AND SHOWING THAT SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THAT IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OURSELVES AND THE FORMER STORY SCHOOL BUILDING, AND TO THE EAST AND THE WEST, WE HAVE OPEN GATES AND MOODY MANSION, AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
>> THANK YOU, [INAUDIBLE]. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
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WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHENEVER WE HAD AN ABANDONMENT LAST TIME OF AN ALLEY.BUT SO JUST SO I CAN BE CLEAR, THERE'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY A 10' STRIP ON ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES NOT OWNED BY THE APPLICANT THAT YOU COULD DRIVE A CAR DOWN.
WHAT'S THE IS THERE LIKE, DO WE PUT A FENCE OVER THAT OR.
>> WELL, NO, IT REMAINS PUBLIC ALLEY.
IF ABANDONED, THE AREA COULD GO ONE MORE.
THIS SHOWS THE FULL WIDTH OF THE ALLEY ON THE WESTERN SIDE IN THE RED AND THEN THE HALF PORTION TO THE EASTERN SIDE.
A PUBLIC ALLEY CANNOT BE FENCED, SO IT WOULD REMAIN OPEN.
>> THAT'S WHAT I SEE WITH THIS.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH 10' OF A LITTLE BIT OF A NO MAN'S LAND.
I HAVE AN IDEA WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I WOULD BE CERTAIN THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PROBABLY LOVE TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR PLAN.
MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, MONTESSORI OR THAT BUILDING DOESN'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, WHAT WOULD KEEP THE APPLICANT FROM DOING LTU OR BEING ABLE TO GET THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH 10' THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.
IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO FIX THAT?
>> THE APPLICANT CANNOT REQUEST THAT PORTION OF THE ALLEY OR AN ABANDONMENT, NOR COULD THEY REQUEST THAT PORTION OF AN ALLEY FOR A LICENSE TO USE.
IN ORDER TO CONTROL THAT PART OF THE ALLEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION.
WELL, IT'S NO LONGER OWNED BY THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL.
I THINK THAT PROBABLY JUST THINK ABOUT IT AS THE SATORI SCHOOL, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN FOR SOME TIME.
THE COMMISSION COULD RECOMMEND ABANDONMENT OF ONLY A PORTION OF THE ALLEY.
IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE HALF SECTION, YOU CAN RECOMMEND ONLY THE FULL WIDTH PORTION.
>> WE RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM WE SAW THE OTHER DAY.
WHEREAS IF WE DON'T DO THAT, LET'S JUST SAY THEY WANTED TO GO USE IT.
IF WE DID NOT GIVE THEM THAT PORTION OF THE ALLEY, AND THE REASON I WOULDN'T DO IT WAS THAT THEY COULD USE THE ENTIRE ALLEY.
THEY'D STILL BE ABLE TO USE THE ENTIRE ALLEY.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I'VE LOST TRACK OF WHAT PORTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH 10 FEET THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH.
IF WE SAID, HEY, LOOK, MAYBE THIS IS A BETTER IDEA IF YOU DON'T ABANDON THE 10' ADJACENT TO THAT, BECAUSE IN THAT WAY, YOU CAN USE ALL OF THE ALLEY IN YOUR PLAN.
I GUESS THEY COULD STILL USE IT ANYWAYS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A PUBLIC ALLEY.
THEY WOULD JUST OWN HALF OF IT AND THEY COULD FENCE HALF OF IT.
>> AT THE END OF THE ABANDONMENT PROCESS, IT BECOMES PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO AT THE END OF THE ABANDONMENT, WHAT'S IN RED IS INCORPORATED INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND BECOMES PRIVATE PROPERTY.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIX IS FOR THAT, BUT YOU GET GIST OF WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT?
>> YEAH, STAFF HAD A DIFFICULT TIME IN COMING TO OUR DETERMINATION, ESPECIALLY ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS THOSE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH.
>> STAFF WOULD VERY MUCH PREFER TO SEE THE ENTIRE ALLEY BE ABANDONED.
ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS FOR THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN A QUICK CLAIM DEED FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE DONE THAT OR HAVE ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT OR NOT.
OR IF THEY'RE COMPLETELY UNWILLING TO PLAY BALL, SO TO SPEAK, THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THERE'S THERE IS A DUMPSTER AT THE BACK SOUTH WEST CORNER OF THIS STORY TRACT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED THAT WAY.
RIGHT NOW IT'S EMPTY SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE DOING SOME RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEIR INTENT IS THERE, BUT WE'D RATHER SEE THE ENTIRE ALLEY GO AWAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
>> IN ALL HONESTY, I DIDN'T SEE THE APPLICANT SITTING BEHIND THAT.
I'M GOING TO ASK HER THESE QUESTIONS SO I DIDN'T SEE HER JUST A WHILE AGO.
BUT YOU GUYS DID ANSWER MY QUESTION FOR ME.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
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>> THE DISTANCE FROM WAS THAT 23RD TO WHERE IT NARROWS THE ALLEY? THE 10' SECTION IS CUT OUT.
WHERE THE CUTOFF, SO THE FULL ALLEY, THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN 24TH AND 20 IN THAT CUTOFF.
LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. GO FROM THE 10' CUTOFF WESTWARD.
HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? I CAN'T READ IT ON HERE.
>> YEAH. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAY HAVE AN ANSWER.
>> YEAH. IT'S PROBABLY 150 FEET.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. THEN WE WILL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT?
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M BETTY MASSEY WITH MARY MOODY NORTHERN ENDOWMENT, WHICH IS THE SOLE MEMBER OF BROADWAY MONUMENT, LLC.
WE'RE HOLDING THAT PROPERTY UNDER THE BROADWAY MONUMENT NAME.
WITH ME IS STEVEN PROTZ, WHO IS OUR ARCHITECT AND PROJECT MANAGER, SO HE'LL JOIN ME AND BAIL ME OUT OF SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
BUT WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, AND WE BOUGHT IT FOR TWO MAYBE THREE PRIMARY REASONS.
ONE IS YOU READ ABOUT IN THE PAPER.
WE DID NOT WANT TO SEE THIS PROPERTY AT A PROMINENT INTERSECTION IN GALVESTON DEVELOPED AS A CAR WASH OR A PAWN SHOP OR ANY ONE OF A LONG LIST OF PERMITTED USES FOR THAT PROPERTY.
MOODY MANSION IS GOING NOWHERE.
WE WANTED TO FOR OUR OWN SAKE, BUT ALSO FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COMMUNITY, PROTECT THAT PROPERTY PROPERTY.
WE'VE GOT SOME REDEVELOPMENT PLANS THAT STEVEN, WILL SHOW YOU A FEW DRAWINGS.
WE'LL BE BEGINNING WORK IN THE FALL ON SOME REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT.
THE ABANDONMENT OF THE ALLEY BETWEEN 26 AND THE END OF THE LINE WHERE WE OWN BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLEY IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER TODAY.
IF THAT 10' IS GIVING YOU SOME HEARTBURN, WE'RE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THAT REQUEST.
I DON'T KNOW KATHERINE HOW TO DO THIS PROCEDURALLY, BUT WE COULD WITHDRAW THAT, GO BACK TO ANTHONY JENSEN, WHO IS THE OWNER OF THE SATORI PROPERTY, WHICH WE DID TRY TO BUY, BUT WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL.
GO BACK TO ANTHONY AND SEE IF AT THIS JUNCTURE, HE'D JOIN US IN ASKING FOR THE ABANDONMENT OF THE ALLEY AND COME BACK TO DO WHAT TIM'S DESCRIBING, GET A FULL ABANDONMENT OF THE 20 FOOT WIDTH OF THE ALLEY.
BUT THAT SECTION THAT WE OWN ON BOTH SIDES IS IMPORTANT TO US FOR SAFETY.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO US FOR AESTHETICS, AND WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT ALONG.
RUSTY, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> I JUST LOOKED THIS AND I JUST SEE WHERE WE ENDED WITH THAT 10' PIECE THERE, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS HAD AND I EVEN KNOW THE QUITCLAIM DEED IS A GREAT IDEA.
>> HE JOINED US AND WE TALKED TO A VERY FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. JENSEN.
HE STARTED WORK ON THE PROPERTY THE PAST FEW DAYS.
WE'RE HAPPY TO GO BACK TO HIM.
I THINK WE PUT OUR APPLICATION, IT WAS DECEMBER OR JANUARY AND ASKED HIM AT THAT POINT WHETHER HE WOULD JOIN US IN THE APPLICATION, AND HE SAID, NO, I THINK I'LL PASS ON IT, BUT HE MAY HAVE CHANGED HIS MIND.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE THAT 10' OFF THE TABLE FOR RIGHT NOW.
LOOK AT THE FULL ALLEY ABANDONMENT AND WE'LL BE BACK.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF VETTING THIS WITH ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS AS KATHERINE POINTED OUT,
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WE WENT THROUGH A LONG AND NOT INEXPENSIVE PROCESS WITH CENTERPOINT TO GET THEIR APPROVAL.WE'RE GOOD WITH CENTERPOINT AND WE CAN ADDRESS THIS 10' ISSUE MORE HOLISTICALLY.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE SECTION THAT WHERE WE HAD THE 10' FOR NOW BECAUSE YOU GUYS WOULD STILL HAVE THE USE AND BENEFIT OF THAT ALLEY, YOU JUST WOULDN'T OWN IT.
WELL WE SAW A CASE JUST RECENTLY WHERE THERE WAS FENCING, AND IF YOU FENCE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE ALLEY AND IT'S ONLY 10' WIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S GOING TO BECOME A PROBLEM FOR YOU GUYS IS WHAT I SEE.
>> I KNOW YOU CAN GET THAT GUY ON BOARD.
THAT WOULD BE AT VIRTUALLY ALMOST NO COST TO HIM.
>> WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE HARD PART.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE'VE GOT THE APPROVALS.
WHOOPS, IT'S NOT MY MEETING TO RUN, I'LL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> YOU'RE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU SOME MORE QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD.
>> I'D LOVE TO BRING STEVEN UP AND JUST GIVE YOU A PEEK AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE PROPERTY. YES, SIR.
>> MAYBE A GOOD QUESTION FOR STEVEN.
IT'S A TWO-PARTER, ONE-PART FOR STAFF.
DO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NOTED BY PUBLIC WORKS IS IN THE ALLEY? DOES IT TAKE UP THE WHOLE ALLEY OR THE WHOLE LENGTH?
>> I HAVE A MAP IN THE CASE FOLDER, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE SLIDE SHOW.
THERE IS A WATER LINE AND A SEWER LINE THAT GO THROUGH THE ALLEY.
>> THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE ALLEY?
>> THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE ALLEY.
>> HOW WOULD YOU ALL GO ABOUT PUTTING AN EASEMENT THERE WHILE ALSO ACCOMPLISHING WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO AESTHETICALLY?
>> [INAUDIBLE] SIDE IS THAT [INAUDIBLE] MAKE IT SAFE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CHILDREN'S [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS [INAUDIBLE] WHERE THE DAIRY QUEEN WAS, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A PARK.
WHERE THE CAR WASH IS, WE'RE LOOKING AT KEEPING THAT AS A [INAUDIBLE].
ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS [INAUDIBLE].
WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT GETTING PEOPLE SAFELY FROM THE PARKING LOT, CHILDREN ACROSS THE STREET TO THE PARK. [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE EASEMENT THERE WOULDN'T BE A BIG BREACH IN YOUR PLANS?
>> WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD ANYTHING THERE.
WHAT WHAT WE DO WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO GO BACK AND RE-ASPHALT THE SURFACE AND DO WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BROADWAY WHERE THEY STAMPED IT.
THE BRICK LOOKING PATTERN, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL, LOOKS HISTORIC.
NOBODY KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE. THEN ANYBODY WHO NEEDS TO GET THERE [INAUDIBLE] UTILITIES [INAUDIBLE].
WHAT BETTY IS REFERENCING, IT'S CHANGED A LOT, BUT OUR BIG PICTURE GOAL IS THAT THE NEXT STEP FOR US IS TO LOOK AT CLOSING OFF ALL THE VEHICULAR ACCESS FROM BROADWAY AND CLOSE IT OFF THIS LITTLE DRIVES THERE, COME BACK WITH TOTAL GREEN SIDE WALK.
THEN WE CAN LANDSCAPE AND THEN START TO CONNECT THE TEETH OF [INAUDIBLE] AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO APARTMENT. THE CITY HAS DONE THAT RIGHT OVER HERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THAT BEAUTIFICATION PROCESS.
>> I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.
>> THE AMOUNT WAS [INAUDIBLE].
I'M A MEMBER OF THE OLEANDER SOCIETY, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.
GALVESTON IS THE OLEANDER CAPITAL OF THE WORLD.
IT'S GREAT THAT THEY HAVE THEIR GARDEN OVER THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU KNOW WE OWN THAT LAND?
>> I'M LIKE, HEY, THEY'RE BACK THERE IN THE BACK AND YOU GOT TO KNOW THEY'RE THERE.
IT'S GREAT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT, AND I'M JUST GIVING THEM A PLUG AND SAYING, HEY, IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE COULD GET SOME OF THEIR STUFF FRONT AND FORWARD.
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BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR SOME IDEAS. I'M JUST GIVING YOU ONE.>> YOU ALL DO SUCH A GREAT JOB. YES, MA'AM.
NO. I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT'S AWESOME WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND TO HAVE A PARK THERE AND SOME OPEN SPACE IN LIEU OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED IS GOING TO BE A GREAT BENEFIT FOR OUR CITY.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. WE WILL PASS THAT ON TO OUR BOARD.
>> WELL, COMMISSIONERS, IT WOULD BE REMISS IF WE WENT THROUGH A MEETING WITHOUT MY HAVING TO SAY SOMETHING.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT OFFERING TO REMOVE THAT 10 FOOT PORTION OFF OF HER APPLICATION.
I WILL ALSO SAY THAT I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION.
IF I'M REPEATING SOMETHING OR MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS HEARING WHEN I STEPPED IN.
I JUST WANT TO JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT MADE ATTEMPTS OF THE ADJACENT OWNER TO THAT PORTION OF EITHER HIS OR HER GOING INTO ALSO THE ABANDONMENT AND/OR POSSIBLY, I GUESS, THE APPLICANT FINDING TARGETING.
ONE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER TO A RIGHT OF WAY THAT CAN BE APPROPRIATELY ABANDONED, SHOULD NOT, AND I HATE TO USE THE WORD HOSTAGE, HOLD ANOTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER COST, SO TO SPEAK, ON THEIR ABILITY TO ACQUIRE AN APPROPRIATELY ABANDONABLE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
>> I JUST NEED TO CLEAR THAT UP THAT THIS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER SAYS NO, IT SHOULD [INAUDIBLE] THE APPLICANT FROM GETTING WHAT SHE HAS APPLIED FOR.
BUT I DID THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO [INAUDIBLE].
THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION GOING BETWEEN YOU AND THE NEIGHBOR?
>> I'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO THAT.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, HEY, IT WORKS FOR US EITHER WAY.
I FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT. YES.
>> THIS ONE'S REALLY FOR STAFF.
IF WE WERE TO GRANT IT AS IS THAT 10 FEET OF WIDTH OF THE ALLEY.
PRESUMABLY, IT'S STILL SOMEWHERE THAT YOU COULD MOVE ABOUT.
COULD THEY GO TO THE CITY AND SAY, LOOK, YOU ALL STILL OWN THIS 10 FEET OF WIDTH, BUT WE WANT TO DO X WITH A BRICK PATTERN OR SOMETHING AND HAVE THE CITY ALLOW THEM TO PAY FOR THAT OR SOMETHING? OR ELSE WOULD WE END UP WITH 20 FEET OF NICE LOOKING SOMETHING, 10 FEET ON ONE SIDE, AND THEN 10 FEET OF ASPHALT ON THE OTHER?
>> IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO BUY THAT OTHER PATH, SO TO SPEAK, THERE WOULD BE A PROCESS FOR THAT AS WELL FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WILL NOT HAPPEN IS THAT THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW [INAUDIBLE].
AS I'M AWARE, THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW ANY THIRD PARTY TO COME IN AND BUY THAT MINUS [INAUDIBLE].
IT WOULDN'T BE SOMEBODY WHO JUST TOTALLY WANT TO COME IN AND JUST [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS SOME RIGHTS TO THAT THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T STEP ON THEIR TOES. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> I UNDERSTAND. >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
>> I'M GLAD I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD.
>> [LAUGHTER] DONNA WOULD NEVER SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SOMEBODY.
>> ME AND MS. MASSEY HAVE SPOKEN MORE IN LENGTH ABOUT ACQUIRING THE BUILDING THAT I HAVE.
I'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PERMIT TO REBUILD THAT BUILDING FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS.
IT'S BEEN A LONG LENGTHY PROCESS.
I'M SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO REHAB THIS PROPERTY.
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RIGHT NOW, I DO HAVE MY DUMPSTER, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER HERE OF THE PROPERTY.I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH WITH THE WASTE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, AND THEY NEED A MINIMUM OF 12 FEET AND WIDTH TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE DUMPSTER IF IT'S A FRONT LOAD OR SIDE LOAD DUMPSTER, WHICH WE HAVE HERE.
THE ISSUE THAT I RUN INTO IS THE LOCATION OF MY DUMPSTER.
THE DUMPSTER COMPANY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE WOULD WANT THEM BACK IN, BACK OUT ON THE 25TH STREET.
ON TOP OF THAT, I THINK I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH ABANDON THE ALLEYWAY.
OUR RISER ROOM IS RIGHT HERE OFF THE ALLEYWAY.
YOU'VE GOT A TWO INCH WATER LINE, SEWER LINE, THE GAS COMPANY, AND THEN CENTERPOINT, OF COURSE, AS WELL.
I COULD SEE WHERE THERE COULD BE POSSIBLY SOME OBSTRUCTION IN MAINTAINING THIS GOING FORWARD.
I'M GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY INVESTED IN THAT CORNER AND THE LAST THING I WANT IS A DISRUPTION IN MY OPERATION.
IF ANYBODY STAYED IN AN AIRBNB, IF YOU EVER HAVE AN ISSUE, YOU EXPECT THAT OWNER TO ADDRESS IT IMMEDIATELY.
IF WE FOR SOME UNFORESEEN REASON, AND TO GO ON RECORD, I KNOW WHATEVER THE MOODY'S ARE GOING TO DO, THE FOUNDATION IS GOING TO BE PLEASANT.
IT ACTUALLY MADE ME EVEN MORE EXCITED ABOUT ACQUIRING THIS BUILDING PRIOR TO THEM OWNING IT ONCE I FOUND OUT THEY BOUGHT IT BECAUSE I ECHO WHAT MS. MASSEY SAID.
I DID NOT WANT A GAS STATION OR ANY OTHER PERMITTED USE OVER THERE THAT I DON'T THINK WOULD BE THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY BEING AT ONE OF OUR MAIN INTERSECTIONS.
I WANT TO BE NEIGHBORLY. I WANT TO BE ON RECORD FOR THAT AS WELL BECAUSE I ENJOY SEEING DEVELOPMENTS.
I'M PRO DEVELOPMENT FOR GALVESTON IF IT'S TASTEFULLY DONE, AND I LOVE WHEN MY NEIGHBORS DO IT AS WELL.
BEING A BOI, I TAKE SO MUCH PRIDE IN FIXING THOSE PROPERTIES UP AND HAVING MY NAME ATTACHED TO THEM.
MY DAD HAS BEEN IN REAL ESTATE SINCE THE LATE '70S.
MY FAMILY GOES WAY BACK IN GALVESTON AND SO ANYTHING I'M INVOLVED IN, I WANT IT TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE UTILITIES THAT RUN DOWN THAT WAY DOWN THAT ALLEYWAY, WITH FUTURE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS.
THEN ON TOP OF THAT WITH MY WASTE MANAGEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW LOGISTICALLY HOW THE DUMPSTER TRUCK IS SUPPOSED TO GET DOWN THIS ALLEYWAY.
EVEN IF EVEN IF I COMMITTED TO, HEY, LET'S JUST ABANDON, WHICH IS THE WEST SIDE COMING OFF FROM 26TH STREET, HOW'S MY DUMPSTER, THE TRUCK GOING TO GET OUT OF THERE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME, BUT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS I, HOLDING THEM HOSTAGE ABOUT NOT WILLING TO ABANDON THIS PORTION.
I WOULD ALMOST FEEL LIKE I'M BEING FORCED TO, HEY, WELL, NOW YOU NEED TO RELOCATE YOUR TRASH, WITH ME ALREADY HAVING A PLANNED PARKING LOT, YOU NEED TO RELOCATE YOUR TRASH RECEPTOR TO SOMEWHERE ELSE JUST BECAUSE, HEY, YOU WANT TO ABANDON THE ALLEYWAY, NOW YOUR TRUCK CAN NO LONGER GET DOWN.
THESE ARE JUST LIKE THE LITTLE LOGISTICS ITEMS THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT GOING INTO IT.
IF THERE'S SOME SOLUTION, I WOULD BE ALL FOR THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ALL THESE PROPERTIES CONNECTED.
I GUESS WITH CENTERPOINT, WE'RE NOT RELOCATING THE POWER LINES.
BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, WELL, ALL OF THE POWER FEEDS FROM 26TH STREET TO MY BUILDING.
IF WE ABANDON THE ALLEYWAY AND THEN THEY WANTED TO DO A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE NORTHERN PART AND SOUTHERN PART, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE RE RE-ROUTING ALL THE POWER LINES TO GET BACK TO MY BUILDING? WITH THEM MAINTAINING THE UTILITY EASEMENT THAT GOES DOWN THERE FROM CENTERPOINT OUTSIDE OF JUST IMPROVING THE PAVEMENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPROVEMENT WOULD ACTUALLY BE.
IT'S A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT THAT WOULD BE DONE BECAUSE IT'S AN EASEMENT.
>> LISTEN, I JUST WANT TO SAY, ONE, TIME OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WE USUALLY JUST HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
WE DON'T GIVE ANY COMMENT BACK, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION AND SAY, NUMBER ONE, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT LITTLE BIT I'VE HEARD, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S LOOKING TO HOLD YOU HOSTAGE ON THIS, AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU MY TWO CENTS WORTH.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY DON'T REALLY NEED THAT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
I THINK WHAT OUR CONCERN IS IS THAT IF WE DO THAT, WE END UP WITH THIS 10 FEET FOOT PIECE OF A NO MAN'S LAND AND WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME OF THAT AND WE DO NOT WANT THAT.
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I THINK THERE'S A SOLUTION TO THIS.I WANT TO BE THE GUY THAT SAYS, HEY, HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THEM, COME UP WITH A PLAN.
I'VE SEEN SOME OF THEIR OTHER WORK.
THEY'RE GOOD AT IT AND YOU KNOW THAT AS WELL.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN GOOD SHAPE HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND ADDRESSING US AND TELLING US THIS.
I'M GOING TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM? I JUST THINK IT'S WARRANTED.
>> IF THE ALLEY BEHIND YOUR BUILDING STAYS AT 20 FEET, BUT IT DEAD ENDS ON THE WEST END, DOES THAT STILL WORK FOR YOU?
>> REALLY, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT THE DUMPSTER COMPANY, SO I HAVE ACTUALLY PRINTED OUT A PIECE.
IT SAYS THAT THEY WANT 70 FEET OF UNOBSTRUCTED APPROACH, AND 12 FEET OF WIDTH TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS IT.
I'M SURE NOT EVERY DRIVER'S CREATED EQUAL.
[LAUGHTER] I'M ASSUMING SOMEBODY COULD BACK OUT ONTO 25TH STREET SAFELY.
BECAUSE THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THEY'RE GOING TO EMPTY THE DUMPSTER, THEN WHERE DO THEY GO FROM THERE? BECAUSE LITERALLY MY DUMPSTER IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S EVEN AT AN ANGLE LIKE A 45 DEGREE ANGLE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO GET IT, I'M ASSUMING. SORRY.
>> I WAS LOOKING AT SATELLITE IMAGES AND I DROVE AROUND THE PROPERTY A COUPLE TIMES, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD PULL INTO THAT BACK PART AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ENOUGH TO GET AROUND.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF SOLUTIONS HERE.
I KNOW IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE], UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK THEY HAD MUCH MONEY THROUGH THE YEARS TO KEEP THINGS UP.
WHAT YOU'LL SEE ACROSS THE STREET IS GOING TO BE A DRASTIC IMPROVEMENT FROM WHAT IT IS PRESENT DAY.
IT JUST TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME FOR US TO GET THE PERMING PROCESS.
WE HAD TO BRING SOME MORE PEOPLE ALONG TO ASSIST US WITH PROVIDING THE CITY OF WHAT THEY WANT SO THAT WAS [INAUDIBLE].
IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING BECAUSE THEY NEED 12 FEET OF WIDTH.
MS. MASSEY DID SAY THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO OMIT THAT FROM THE PROPOSAL TO ABANDON THAT 10 FEET PORTION BECAUSE IF THEY DO GET THE 10 FEET, THEN THE DUMPSTER COMPANY FOR SURE CAN'T GET BACK THERE WITH 10 FEET.
THEY SAID THEY NEED MINIMUM 12 FEET OF WIDTH.
THEN ALSO ON TOP OF THAT WITH THE CENTERPOINT POWER POLES THAT GO DOWN THERE, IF YOU'LL VIEW IT ACROSS THE STREET, IT MAKES IT TOUGH FOR THEM, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T HAVE 20 FEET, BUT IT MAKES IT TOUGH FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN TO COME THROUGH MY PARKING LOT TO COME OUT TO [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE THERE'S A POWER POLE ABOUT 10 FEET FROM THE CORNER.
THE SPACE BETWEEN THAT AND WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS IS PROBABLY 15,13 FEET AND THAT SIZE OF THE TRUCK, WHICH IS I DON'T KNOW 30 FEET OR WHATEVER, THEY ARE ABOUT 25 FEET OR 3O FEET WOULD PROBABLY MAKE IT TOUGH [INAUDIBLE].
MY LAST COMMENT IS HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBOR, AND THAT'S HOW THIS GETS RESOLVED.
THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL.
YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO SPEAK YOUR PIECE THEN.
BUT I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
>> SORRY, DON, I'M SURPRISED I DIDN'T GET IT.
I APPRECIATE YOU LET US HAVE A LITTLE LEEWAY ON THAT BECAUSE IT IS AN EXCEPTION.
>> MOST APPROPRIATE BECAUSE HE'S ACTUALLY THE ADJACENT.
>> I WILL ALSO SAY THAT SOMETIMES I HEAR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT WORDS TO SAY.
HOSTAGE ISN'T WHAT I WANTED TO COME OUT, BUT.
>> BUT BASICALLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> [OVERLAPPING] ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS
>> YOU'RE NOT MEAN ALL THE TIME.
[LAUGHTER] ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
>> YOU SAY YOUR THING AND THEN I'LL BE READY.
>> NO. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WAS GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION THERE.
>> I MOVE THAT WE DEFER 24-P043.
>> FOR A DEFERRAL, WE NEED A DEFERRAL DATE AND THEN THE REASON TO GIVE THE APPLICANT SOME INSTRUCTIONS ON WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
>> WELL, THEY'D BE 24-P043 UNTIL THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ALLOW SOME OF THESE ISSUES TO BE WORKED OUT.
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THE APPLICANT AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS CAN MAYBE COME BACK WITH A SUCCESSFUL CONCLUSION THAT WOULD BE EASILY APPROVED.CAN YOU WORD IT BETTER? YES. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? THERE'S NONE.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND I NEED A SECOND SO WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE, IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEY HAVE THE OPTION WHETHER TO INCLUDE THAT 10-FOOT PIECE THAT'S IN QUESTION IN THEIR PRESENTATION.
WE'RE APPROVING IT AS IT IS, BUT WHEN THEY COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND ASK, THEY CAN TAKE THAT OFF; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I THINK THEY CAN. THIS DOESN'T GO TO COUNCIL UNTIL THE END OF JULY, SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE APPLICANTS TO MODIFY THEIR APPLICATION AND WE CAN RE-ADVERTISE THE MODIFICATION.
>> IT'S GOING TO THE END OF JULY, SO THAT'S A MONTH.
>> SHOULD WE MAKE THE MOTION ON IT TO HAVE IT? I SHOULD BACK UP. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE 10 FEET?
>> THEY WERE AMENABLE TO REMOVING THE 10.
>> THEY WERE AMENABLE TO REMOVING IT.
THEN THAT GETS INTO THE QUESTION OF, DO WE HAVE THAT LEEWAY?
>> THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH NOT GOING OUT OF THEIR BOUNDARIES.
YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY MODIFICATION APPLICATION BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD AND SEEN TODAY.
>> IF WE MAKE THE AMENDMENT AND AND WE WERE TO REMOVE THAT, AND IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR APPROVAL, IT GOES TO THEIR APPROVAL WITHOUT THAT PIECE ON THERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THEN GET THEM FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY GET SOMETHING WORKED OUT AND THEY NEED THAT, THEY'D STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO ADD THAT TO IT.
IF WE SEND IT TO THEM WITH IT, THEY'D HAVE THE OPTION OF TAKING IT OFF.
ARE YOU GUYS FOLLOWING WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS?
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ALLOW TO HAPPEN BY DEFERRING IT AND SEEING IF THEY COULD GET SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES WITHOUT HAVING IT BE PIECED UP, LIKE, THEY GOT THE 171 FEET, AND THEN THEY GOT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AGAIN FOR ANOTHER.
>> I'M JUST ASKED THE QUESTION.
DOES A DEFERRAL PLAY IN THIS 30 DAYS SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO.
DOES THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO YOU, BETTY? I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE IT, BUT IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LIVE WITH?
>> TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE BETTY COME BACK TO THE [LAUGHTER] IF SHE'S GOING TO SPEAK, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE BETTY COME BACK TO THEM.
>> WE'RE GOING TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BETTY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'M SORRY.
>> REMOVE THE TEN FOOT ANTHONY'S FINE. WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TOGETHER.
>> THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE BEST BETTY.
>> I HAVE TO PUT IT BACK ON THE TABLE.
>> WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.
I'M GOING TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE 10 FEET SECTION THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE ADJACENT TO MR. JOHNSON'S PROPERTY.
JENSEN? MR. JENSEN'S PROPERTY.
THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND REMOVING THE TEN FOOT SECTION THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE.
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WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT?
>> NO, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ADD WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE OF THE UTILITY EASEMENTS.
>> WE'RE JUST AMENDING JUST REMOVING THAT PORTION.
NOW WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION.
THE MOTION BEFORE US IS TO APPROVE THE ABANDONMENT AS PRESENTED LESS THE 10 FOOT SECTION THAT IS ON THE EASTERN AND ADJACENT TO MR. JENSEN'S PROPERTY WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT'S THE MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
[6.B.2. 23P-054 (21204 Gulf Drive) Request for Beachfront Construction Certificate and Dune Protection Permit to include proposed construction of a single-family dwelling with an elevated wooden deck beneath the structure and a gravel driveway. An exemption request has been made to build a portion of the structure and deck within and over the Dune Conservation Area. Property is legally described as Abstract 121, Page 19 12, Lot 40, Sea Isle, Section 22, a subdivision in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Annie S. Basu Property Owner: Annie S. Basu]
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION AND APPROVAL OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH AN ELEVATED WOOD DECK UNDER THE HOME AND A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
THE ADDRESS IS 21204 GULF DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 121, PAGE 1912, 40 SEA ISLE, SECTION 22, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SEA ISLE SUBDIVISION.
SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS STABLE.
STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING.
FIRST, WE HAVE THE FIRM AND BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND ITS POSITION RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY ZOOMED IN ON THE RIGHT TO SHOW THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE AND THE LINE OF VEGETATION DISTANCES.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS BOTH OUTSIDE AND INSIDE THE DUNE CONSERVATION LINE.
ON THE FOLLOWING TWO SLIDES, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE PLAN.
ON THE FOLLOWING FIVE SLIDES, I'M SORRY.
THE NEXT TWO SLIDES ARE THE SUMMARIZED SCOPE OF WORK.
THEN ON THE FOLLOWING FIVE SLIDES ARE PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING EAST.
WE HAVE THREE PHOTOS LOOKING WEST FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
THEN LOOKING NORTH TOWARD THE LINE OF VEGETATION.
THEN FINALLY, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS OUTLINING WHAT WE DID FOR THE EXEMPTION, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON.
THEY'VE DONE MULTIPLE SURVEYS OUT THERE AFTER BURL AND EVERYTHING.
WE'VE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON MINIMIZING THE IMPACTS TO THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THEY WENT TO THE HOA AND REQUESTED A VARIANCE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. THAT WAS DENIED.
WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL INTO IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA FROM 150 SOMETHING FEET TO ABOUT 33 SQUARE FEET.
THERE WILL BE SOME POST IN THE PROPOSED IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA, THREE POST FOR THE DECK AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THESE UP HERE TO SHOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT TO REDUCE THE IMPACT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR THE FOR THE EXEMPTION REQUEST.
THIS CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU, KYLE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? PLEASE, JOHN.
>> KYLE, WHAT WERE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE THAT GOT YOU FROM THE 157 FEET.
>> THEY HAD THEY HAD DECK ALONG THE BACK.
DECK WENT OUT INTO THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA, WENT MORE.
IF YOU GO UP TO THE SITE PLAN.
THERE. YOU CAME DOWN IT WAS MORE SQUARE.
THEY MADE A LITTLE ROUND THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND THEN THEY MOVED IT IN AND THEN THEY SEE THE DUNE MAKES AN ANGLE THERE.
I JUST BROUGHT IT A LITTLE BIT.
IT WAS MORE SQUARE INTO THAT'S WHAT IT WAS GOING INTO.
THEY REMOVED ALL OF THAT ON THE ON THE WEST PORTION.
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>> ON THAT SAME LANE, THE DRIVEWAY GOES THROUGH THE NORTH, BUT I THINK I JUST FIGURED OUT THAT THAT'S ANOTHER DRIVEWAY THAT GOES [OVERLAPPING].
>> THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY IS COMING TO THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, TO THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY OWN BOTH PIECES OF PROPERTY.
WE DIDN'T EVALUATE IT FOR EASEMENTS OR ANYTHING.
WE DIDN'T MAKE THEM AWARE OF YOU KNOW, ANY EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO FACE IN THE FUTURE, BUT ALL WE EVALUATED FOR OURS WAS THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
>> JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION. I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I SAW A 13 FOOT ELEVATION ON ONE OF THE DUNES, WAS THAT PROPERTY BUILT UP AT ONE POINT? DO YOU KNOW?
>> I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT'S BEEN CLEARED AND THEN SOME YOU HAD SOME SAND AND THINGS GET IN THERE.
THERE'S SOME BUILD UP IN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT WASN'T CLASSIFIED AS A DUNE
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
WHERE THIS IS, IF YOU GO HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT IS A DUNE VERSUS A DUNE COMPLEX? YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE YOU LOOK BACK.
THE HOUSE IS SITTING IN AN AREA THAT THE ELEVATION IS SEVEN, EIGHT FEET.
THERE'S A DUNE IN FRONT OF THIS THAT'S 12 FEET, BUT THERE'S ALSO PROPERTY BEHIND IT THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME ELEVATIONS IN THERE THAT ARE 10.
IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN BETWEEN DUNES.
>> IT'S NOT AN EXACT SIZE, BUT WE HAVE REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL SURVEYORS GO OUT THERE.
WE LOOK AT IT, WE GO OUT THERE AND EVALUATE IT ALSO, AND THEN WE COORDINATE THIS WITH GLO.
WE'VE HAD GLO WHEN, ON SOME OF OUR PROJECTS, QUESTION IT AND WE WENT OUT THERE AND WORK WITH THEM.
YOU HAVE AREAS, YOU HAVE SAND THAT BUILDS UP, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE ALSO GOT PUSHED BACK OR THAT THE HOUSE NORTH OF IT FROM THE ROAD, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S VERY IT'S NOT AN EXACT.
YOU HAVE TO IT'S A CASE BY CASE, BUT I SAID, THIS WENT THROUGH GLO, YOU SEE THE COMMENT LETTERS. THEY DIDN'T SAVE IT.
THOSE ARE DO OTHER DOING LOCATED ON THE SIDE OR ANYTHING.
SURVEY SURVEYED NUMEROUS TIMES.
WE GO OUT THERE AND EVALUATE IT.
>> WITH THE INFORMATION. THE SURVEYOR DOES THEIR TOPO AND DETERMINES WHERE THE DUNE LINE IS.
>> WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THAT, BUT WE GO OFF A LOT OF WHAT THEY SAY A LOT OF PEOPLE USE THE SAME SURVEY.
>> BECAUSE IT DOES TO ME HAVE THE APPEARANCE LIKE BEING BUILT BETWEEN TWO SAND DUNES.
>> WE HAVE WE HAD NUMEROUS SURVEYS AFTER THE STORMS.
>> RIGHT AND YOU HAVE A SURVEY THAT WAS DONE IN 2022.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE'S DONE IN 2025.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A DCA.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT THERE, I'M ASSUMING.
I DON'T KNOW. I WAS JUST DIFFERENT.
I'M A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THIS IS.
I WAS CURIOUS WHY BECAUSE IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S DUNES BEHIND THE HOUSE.
SO THEIR APPLICATION WAS DONE IN 2022.
THEY'VE ALREADY MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE HOUSE.
THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE IN 2025, WHEN WAS THAT DONE? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?
>> THE SURVEY THEY DONE RECENTLY WAS IN 2024. IT WASN'T IN 2025.
>> MAYBE THE LAST ONE WAS DOWN IN 2025, YES.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HIM, LIKE I SAID FOR TWO YEARS ON ON THIS.
>> APRIL 22, 2025, IS WHAT THIS SAYS.
>> I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHY I'M ASKING THIS CALL BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN THESE FOLKS COME TO YOU, YOU GUYS DO YOUR JOB AND HELP THEM NAVIGATE ALL THIS.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE STEPPING INTO THE DCA BECAME LIKE THE EASY OUT.
I REMEMBER SEEING CASES WHERE THEY WERE DENIED BECAUSE THEY WERE SPRINKLER HEADS IN THE DCA.
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I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT THIS HAS BEEN A CASE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.THEY UPDATED THE SURVEY, AND NOW THEY'RE 38 FEET INTO THE DCA.
SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WAS DONE IN APRIL, SO IT'S LIKE, OH, MAN, I'VE ALREADY DONE ALL THIS WORK.
I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY ASKING A QUESTION.
I'M REALLY MORE LIKE MAKING A COMMENT.
BUT I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING YOUR JOB, YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
HOWEVER, WHEN THESE COME TO US AND WE'RE SEEING THESE MORE AND MORE OFTEN, IT'S LIKE, THE EASY OUT IS, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET AN EXEMPTION.
>> THE EXEMPTION IS [OVERLAPPING].
>> I CAN'T SAY NO, I CAN'T GIVE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S THE POINT I'M WANTING TO MAKE IS THAT YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB BY HELPING A TAXPAYER NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM, AND NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE DCA AGAIN. YES, PLEASE.
>> SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
>> NO. YOU'RE GOOD. I NEED TO BE INTERRUPTED.
>> I SEE THEY'VE GOT THE DRIVEWAY HERE.
YOU SAID THEY OWN THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, RIGHT?
>> IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS WHERE WE LOOK AT COULD A FIRE TRUCK GET DOWN THERE?
>> NOT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
>> MAYBE AT A LATER DATE IN THIS PROJECT, WE ALL MIGHT LOOK AT THAT?
>> NOT FOR THE BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE, WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT.
>> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT TAKE A FIRE TRUCK DOWN ON THE BEACH OR IN ANY AREA.
THEY'D FIGHT IT FROM UP NORTH.
>> I GUESS WE JUST HAD THAT DISCUSSION ON ALLEY LOTS AND SO I WAS THINKING SIMILAR ISSUE. THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?
>> IT SAYS IN HERE ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THE AREA IS STABLE, DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S NO EROSION TAKING PLACE?
>> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE BVG MAP AND SHOWS 0.3.
STABLE IS ANYTHING LESS THAN A FOOT PER YEAR, I BELIEVE IS HOW THEY CLASSIFIED.
THAT'S WHY, SO THE YELLOW THAT'S STABLE.
I THINK ANYTHING LESS THAN A FOOT IS PER YEAR.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT'S ACCURATE FOR THIS AREA?
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FAR EAST OF THERE AND IT IS, FOR SURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE WE'RE UP IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, MA'AM. PLEASE SIGN IN, STATE YOUR NAME.
>> AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT, OKAY.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXEMPTION.
A EXEMPTION WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT THE RULE IS.
SELL ME ON WHY I SHOULD GIVE YOU AN EXEMPTION? I DON'T MEAN TO BE THAT ABRUPT, BUT IT IS A DEAL OF WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW IS WE SEE THESE A LOT AND MORE AND MORE.
THAT LINE IS THERE FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND IT'S TO PROTECT THE DUNES.
FOR ME, ANYWAYS, TELL ME WHY I NEED TO GIVE YOU AN EXEMPTION? TELL ME THE HARDSHIPS THAT YOU'VE HAVE THAT YOU DESERVE AN EXEMPTION FOR THIS?
>> WELL, THE OWNER HAS BEEN TRYING TO BUILD FOR QUITE A WHILE ON THERE.
SHE'S DONE ALL HER DUE DILIGENCE AND TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THE CORRECT WAY.
GONE THROUGH HOA, HAS EVEN ADJUSTED THE PLANS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD HURRICANE, COME THROUGH STORMS, COME THROUGH TO PUSH EVERYTHING INWARD MORE.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE HOA AND ASKED IF YOU COULD MOVE BACK AND THEY SAID NO?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CAME ACROSS PRETTY HARSH,
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BUT I DON'T MEAN IT TO BE.>> OH, YOU DID. YOU THOUGHT DONNA WAS GOING TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MA'AM.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE WANT TO SPEAK AT THIS ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 23P-054 WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. ANY DISCUSSION?
>> IT'S NOT THAT I'M NOT SYMPATHETIC TO THIS, BUT WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSIONS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS ON PEOPLE BUILDING IN THE DCA.
WE SAID SOME TIME AGO THAT WE WERE GOING TO START HOLDING A HARDER LINE ON THE DCA.
I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT I WANT TO HOLD IT TODAY, BUT WE DO NEED TO START DISCUSSING THE FACT THAT THE REASON WE HAVE A DCA IS PURPOSEFUL.
IF WE CONTINUE TO ERODE THAT, THEN I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME RESPECT FOR THE DCA AS WE CONTINUE TO GIVE EXEMPTIONS FOR IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN AN EXEMPTION THAT'S COME UP IN THE LAST YEAR THAT WE HAVEN'T GRANTED.
I CAN'T RECALL ONE. IF WE GRANT EVERY EXEMPTION, WHEN DOES IT BECOME THE STANDARD OR NOT AN EXEMPTION? THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
>> WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PUBLIC ROADWAY THERE OR THE BEACH ACCESS, NUMBER 25, I THINK IT IS.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE DCA.
THEY JOIN AN ACCESS POINT, AND THAT CREATES ADDITIONAL ISSUES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.
YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE WATER IS DOING, WHEN IT COMES IN AT HIGH TIDE, AND IT'S EATING AWAY AT THAT.
WE'VE HAD CASES HERE, I WAS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE BECAUSE THEY HAD NO DUNE WHATSOEVER, AND THEY WANTED TO GO OUT AND JUST PILE UP A BUNCH OF SAND.
THIS HAS A 13 FOOT HIGH, WHAT APPEARED TO BE FROM THE PHOTOGRAPH, A NATURAL DUNE TO ME BECAUSE THE SOIL WAS COMPACTED.
IT HAD ERODED AWAY, BUT IT HAD COMPACTED AND SO IT'S GOT SOME PROTECTIONS.
I KNOW WE WANT TO BE PROTECTIVE OF THE DCAS, BUT YOU CAN'T IN THIS SITUATION, THE DAMAGE IS BEING CAUSED BY THE BEACH ACCESS POINT.
THAT'S JUST PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.
>> I ECHO REAGAN'S POINT THERE.
I THINK THAT WITH THESE, WE'VE GOT TO THINK PRETTY FAR IN ADVANCE.
I REMEMBER AFTER I SEEING BEACH HOUSES THAT WERE LITERALLY ON THE BEACH, AFTER THE SHORELINE WASHED AWAY FROM A MAJOR HURRICANE.
I THINK IT WAS JUST RECENTLY WE TOOK ONE OF THE LAST ONES OFF THE BEACH.
MAYBE THERE'S STILL A COUPLE THAT ARE ENCROACHING.
WHEN WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, MAYBE IT'S A 15 YEAR TIMELINE BEFORE WE SEE THE IMPACT OF IT, BUT I THINK THERE IS AN IMPACT AND WE DO HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE SAY NO ON. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND DECIDE WHERE ARE WE DRAWING THE LINES? IS IT WHEN THERE'S NO DUNE, AND SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF THIS OR THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT OR IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THIS? SOMETHING WE NEED TO GRAPPLE WITH SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
JOHN, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, A 100%.
IT HAS BECOME WHERE THE EASY OUT FOR THIS IS COME ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION FOR THE DCA.
I CAN TELL YOU THE HOMEOWNER, IT'S 38 SQUARE FEET.
I'M SORRY THAT THEY DID THEIR DUNE SURVEY, AND IT CHANGED WHERE THE LINE IS.
THE FLIP SIDE IS, IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE EXEMPTIONS.
WHEN DO WE USE THEM? IT IS 38 FEET AND IT'S BARELY AN ENCROACHMENT.
I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS COMMISSION,
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THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD TURN THESE DOWN IF THERE WAS A SPRINKLER HEAD IN THE DCA.THEY'RE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO CUT THE GRASS THERE.
WE APPROVED ONE OF THESE AND THE FRICKING DUNE LINE WAS UNDERNEATH THEIR HOUSE.
I WAS JUST HAVING DISCUSSION, I THINK IT'S WHO'S THE PERSON THAT WE SAY NO TO? WE KEEP PUTTING IT OFF AND WE KEEP PUTTING IT OFF, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE DCA IS THE DCA.
THESE FOLKS HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM.
I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS ACCESS POINT.
I DON'T LIVE ON THE BEACH, BUT THIS IS HOW I GET TO THE BEACH.
WHEN IT DOES NOT RAIN, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A CAR IN HERE BECAUSE THE SAND GETS SO LOOSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD THEY ARE GOING TO GET IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER PROBLEM, UNRELATED TO DUNES AND DCAS.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION OF, YOU KNOW WHAT? IS THE DCA THE LINE AND THE LINE IS THE LINE? OR ARE WE GOING TO GRANT EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE THERE'S A HARDSHIP? THAT'S ALL.
>> I'M GLAD WE GOT THIS GOING BECAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS.
THE THING THAT I SEE UNIQUE ON THIS ONE IS BECAUSE OF THAT ACCESS ROAD.
TO ME, THAT THROWS A CURVE ON IT, AND I WANTED US TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
IF THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE, THAT ACCESS ROAD THAT CAUSED THAT EROSION.
PRETTY MUCH. WOULDN'T YOU THINK? OR WOULDN'T THAT ROAD CAUSE SOME OF THE EROSION WE'RE WITNESSING?
>> DRIVING THROUGH THE DUNES, YOU HAVE HIGH TIDES COME UP, YOU HAVE THE STORMS, YOU HAVE THE WATER EATING AWAY AT IT.
AT LEAST SOME OF THE DUNE [INAUDIBLE]
>> IT'S A BIG DUNE, OR THE DUNE LINE IS NOT AS IRREGULAR AS THAT? AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SEE HOW Y'ALL FELT ABOUT IT.
IS THIS ONE OF THOSE WE'RE OKAY, WE'LL GIVE IN ON THIS ONE OR NOT? I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, RUSTY, BUT IT'S LIKE IS THIS ONE THE ONE?
>> WELL, WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT.
HE IS HELPING THESE FOLKS NAVIGATE THIS.
I HAVE NO DOUBT MY MIND THAT KYLE TOLD THEM WHEN THEY CAME TO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT, HEY, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY APPROVE THE EXEMPTION.
YOU KNOW WHAT, GUYS? WE'RE GOING TO VOTE.
THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS OFF TOP OF MY HEAD, 23P-054 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THOSE IN FAVOR? THOSE OPPOSED? THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT MOTION FAILED.
DO WE HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER MOTION OR IT JUST DOES NOT PASS?
>> UNLESS YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WOULD PASS, BUT ACCORDING TO WHAT I SAW, I DON'T THINK SO.
>> IT WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE AND THE APPROVAL WAS DENIED. GOT IT.
>> MAYBE AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP, MAYBE WE COULD DISCUSS SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
>> HOW FAR WE'VE GONE [OVERLAPPING] DCA.
>> WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE DUNE STUFF, SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT THEN.
>> THEY CAN GO CHANGE THEIR APPLICATION.
THE CAN CHANGE THEIR APPLICATION, BRING IT BACK WITH THEIR PROJECT, NOT IN THE DCA.
>> AGAIN, THEY CAN BRING IT BACK IF THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
>> WHAT IS THE LIMITATION ON THAT?
>> SIX MONTHS, OR THEY MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE PROJECT.
>> WELL, I WOULD CONSIDER THEM MOVING THEIR HOUSE OUT OF THE DCA, A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE.
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>> MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
>> WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT ONE.
[6.C.3. 25P-019 (Adjacent to 2102 Mechanic / Avenue C) Request for a License to Use in order to retain construction fencing. Adjacent property is legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Lot 8 And East 28-6 Feet of Lot 9, Block 621, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Jonathan Aronin Adjacent Property Owner: Goldman Investments – The Cotton Exchange, LLC. Easement Holder: City of Galveston]
>> THIS IS ADJACENT TO 2102 MECHANIC.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR A LICENSE TO USE FOR CONSTRUCTION FENCING.
TWENTY-TWO NOTICES WERE SENT AND ZERO RETURNED.
NO OBJECTION FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS OR THE PRIVATE UTILITIES.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A LICENSE TO USE THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY TO RETAIN CONSTRUCTION FENCING ASSOCIATED WITH THE ONGOING RENOVATIONS.
TEMPORARY LICENSE TO USE FOR CONSTRUCTION FENCING ASSOCIATED WITH THESE RENOVATIONS HAS EXPIRED.
PLEASE NOTE THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
THERE IS NOT A REQUEST TO USE THE PAID PARKING AND THE PAID PARKING WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE PUBLIC.
THE PROPERTY IS IN THE STRAND MECHANIC HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWED AT THEIR MEETING YESTERDAY AND UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONDITIONS ARE SPECIFIC CONDITION.
ONE, THE LICENSEE SHALL CONFORM TO THE SITE PLAN AND EXHIBIT A FOR THE PLACEMENT OF THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING.
TWO, THE LICENSE TO SHALL BE VALID ONLY UNTIL COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT WAS ESTIMATED TO BE AUGUST 1ST, 2025.
ITEMS 3-9 ARE STANDARD. WE HAVE SOME PICTURES.
THIS IS THE COTTON EXCHANGE BUILDING.
IT'S BEEN UNDER RENOVATIONS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF IT ALONG 21ST STREET.
YOU CAN SEE THE ITEMS AND THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A LONG MECHANIC WHERE YOU CAN SEE MORE FENCING AND SCAFFOLDING. NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS THE STRAND.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE FENCING.
THEN I THINK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
>> I THOUGHT LAST TIME THIS CAME UP, WE GAVE THEM A LOT OF EXTRA TIME, DID WE?
>> IT'S BEEN BEFORE YOU PROBABLY TWO TIMES AND THE LAST TIME WE DID GIVE HIM A LITTLE EXTRA TIME, BUT IT'S STILL UP.
>> THE LTU IT HASN'T YET TO EXPIRE, CORRECT?
>> I THINK IT HAS EXPIRED AND THEY'RE RENEWING IT.
>> I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT, NO.
>> I KNOW WHENEVER YOU TAKE UP PARKING SPACES, THERE'S TYPICALLY A FEE ASSOCIATED, WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS HERE, ARE THEY ASSOCIATED WITH A FEE?
>> THERE IS A FEE. OUR FEE IS GENERALLY A DOLLAR A LINEAR FOOT PER YEAR, BUT ANYTHING UNDER $50, WE WAIVE IT.
>> THEN I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS AROUND, I THINK, SCAFFOLDING AS FAR AS CREATING A WALKWAY.
>> THIS TYPE OF LTU CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED IF THE APPLICANT PROVIDES A SHIELDED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT WITH MOST PEOPLE DON'T, THEN IT COMES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> I'VE JUST SEEN ON THE STRETCH IN PARTICULAR, A TON OF PEOPLE WHEELING THEIR BABY STROLLERS AND SUITCASES ON THE STREET.
>> IT IS. IT DOES LOOK LIKE THEY'RE HONING IN ON THE END OF THE PROJECT AND THE REQUEST IS ONLY THROUGH AUGUST 1ST.
IT'S A FEW MONTHS THROUGH THE END OF THE SUMMER.
>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.
IF WE WERE TO DENY THEIR LTU, THEY COULD COME BACK AND THE LTU ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED IF THEY PROVIDED SOME SORT OF?
>> SHIELDED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
>> IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS? NO LTU GOT TO CLEAR OUT THE SIDEWALK.
>> YOU'D HAVE TO REMOVE THE ITEMS FROM THE SIDEWALK.
>> YES. YOU CAN DEFER IT IF YOU HAVE A REASONS.
>> ONCE SOMETHING IS EXPIRED AND THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THE REMEDY FOR THE EXPIRATION, THEN WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT A COMPLIANCE CASE BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEKING THE APPROVAL.
>> THEY'RE ONLY ASKING FOR LIKE A TWO MONTH EXTENSION BECAUSE WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH JUNE, THEY WANT IT THROUGH AUGUST? YES. THEY ARE COMING TO THE COMPLETION OF THEIR PROJECT.
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE THAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST ABOUT WRAPPED UP.
>> JUST ABOUT DONE, THEN THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK ON BENDED KNEE.
[LAUGHTER] WHICH THEY'VE DONE ALREADY AND THEY'RE NOT HERE.
WE'LL OPEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELCOME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE.
WE'LL BRING THAT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THAT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
>> MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE 25P-019.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO APPROVE 25P-019 WHICH HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE OF AUGUST, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> NO, I'M JUST COUNTING THE MONTHS.
>> NO. I HOPE THEY GET DONE. I'M SURE THEY DO TO.
NO DISCUSSION WILL TAKE THE VOTE, THOSE IN FAVOR, AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF LETS THE APPLICANT KNOW THAT AUGUST 1ST, THEY COME UP HERE AFTER AUGUST THE FIRST AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP.
THEY BETTER BRING SOME COOKIES. 25P-023.
[6.C.4. 25P-023 (Adjacent to 2402 Market / Avenue D) Request for a License to Use to place construction fencing and equipment in the City of Galveston right-of-way. Adjacent property is legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Lot 8, Block 564, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Katherine S. Hughes Adjacent Property Owners: CNMC Property Holdings Easement Holder: City of Galveston]
>> THIS IS ADJACENT TO 2402 MARKET.
IT'S ALSO A REQUEST FOR LICENSE TO USE TO PLACE CONSTRUCTION FENCING AND EQUIPMENT IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
STAFF IS REQUESTING DEFERRAL OF THIS REQUEST TO JULY 28, I'M SORRY, JULY 8, 2025 IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND RESPOND TO STAFF'S COMMENTS.
THIS IS A FIRST REQUEST FOR DEFERRAL AND THERE ARE NO COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REQUEST.
>> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A DEFERRAL?
>> WE NEED AN UPDATED SITE PLAN.
>> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN YOU CLOSE.
>> WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 25P-023.
WOULD ANY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEE NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER 25P-023 WHERE IS UNTIL JULY THE EIGHTH.
WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO DEFER. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT'S UNANIMOUS, SO THE DEFERRAL IS GRANTED.
MOVING ON, PLANNING COMMISSION DESIGN AWARDS. I JUST DID THAT.
[7.A 2025 Planning Commission Planning and Design Awards (Staff)]
WE USUALLY I THINK TOM IS PROBABLY THE COMMISSIONER WHO HAS NOT GONE THROUGH AWARDS BEFORE.
WE START THESE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER, WORK ON IT THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND THEN THE COMMISSION DECIDES ON THE SLATE OF RECIPIENTS IN SEPTEMBER.
THEY'RE THEN PRESENTED IN OCTOBER AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, TYPICALLY BY THE CHAIR AND THE VIE CHAIR.
YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET WORKSHOP, A COUPLE OF ITEMS, AND I EXPLAINED WHAT THOSE WERE AT THE MEETING.
WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL OF THE AWARD RECIPIENTS SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE OF THE PROGRAM.
THEN IN THE LAST PAGE, WE HAVE THE LIST OF CURRENT NOMINEES.
WE ROLL OVER THE NOMINEES FROM EACH YEAR.
IF YOU DIDN'T WIN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT TOP SECTION OF NOMINEES IS, AND THEN WE HAVE JUST A FEW NEW NOMINEES FOR THIS YEAR.
I'LL GO THROUGH THE AWARDS, AND THEN I'LL GO THROUGH THE NOMINEES AND THEN IF WE WANT TO DO SOME BRAINSTORMING NOW, THAT'S GREAT.
OTHERWISE, IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, E-MAIL ME AND I'LL GET IT ON THE LIST.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I THINK LAST YEAR DURING THE WORKSHOP, DIDN'T WE DECIDE ON DOING LIKE AN ART AWARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THERE'S A NEW CATEGORY THIS YEAR OF CULTURAL ARTS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. PUBLIC ART.
WE USED TO LIKE MURALS AND SCULPTURES, PUBLIC ART, WE CONSIDERED UNDER BEAUTIFICATION, AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT.
AT THE LAST ROUND, THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO DO A NEW CATEGORY THIS YEAR OF CULTURAL ARTS.
TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AWARDS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
IN JULY, I'M ON THE SCHEDULE TO GO TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, WHICH IS A BOARD OF THE CITY, AND THEY MANAGE A BUDGET AND THEY PROVIDE FUNDING FOR CULTURAL ARTS.
THEY'RE ALSO ARTISTS AND CONNECTED INTO THAT WORLD.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THEM AND ASK FOR HELP IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL RECIPIENTS FOR CULTURAL ARTS AND THEY'RE EXCITED TO BE INVOLVED.
WE'LL PUT THIS ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER JUST SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
WE DON'T FORGET THAT IT'S HAPPENING, AND YOU CAN BRING UP ANY AWARD RECIPIENTS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD NOMINEES.
WE OPEN UP NOMINATIONS TO THE PUBLIC IN AUGUST AND THAT'S OPEN FOR A MONTH, SO CLOSES IN SEPTEMBER.
SEPTEMBER 16TH, WE'LL HAVE A WORKSHOP.
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FOR THE WORKSHOP, YOU'LL GET A SURVEY THAT WILL LIST ALL OF THE NOMINEES AND THEN WE ASK YOU TO VOTE ON THAT, AND THEN WE HASH THROUGH THE RESULTS AT THAT WORKSHOP AND FIGURE OUT THE FINAL SLATE, AND THEN VOTE AT THE REGULAR MEETING ON THE RECIPIENTS.THEN OCTOBER 23, WILL BE THE PRESENTATION AT CITY COUNCIL.
ELIGIBILITY. IT'S OPEN TO ALL PLANNERS, RESIDENTS, DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS, ARCHITECTS, COMMUNITY GROUPS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, STUDENTS, OR OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES. IT'S VERY BROAD.
IT HAS TO BE. THE PROJECT RECIPIENT HAS TO BE LOCATED IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON AND COMPLETED WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
NO PROJECTS THAT HAVE ANY DIRECT ASSOCIATION WITH ANY CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE ELIGIBLE.
HERE ARE THE CATEGORIES, BEAUTIFICATION, CULTURAL ARTS, WHICH IS NEW, DEVELOPMENT, ENVIRONMENTAL, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, INVESTMENT, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, PARTICIPATION, PLANNING, AND REDEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T ALWAYS GRANT AN AWARD IN EACH CATEGORY.
IF ONE YEAR, WE DON'T FIND SOMETHING THAT FITS A CATEGORY, BIG, WE JUST WON'T DO IT THAT YEAR.
THEN YOU ALL HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
WE DO A LOT OF SHUFFLING AROUND AND LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES IN WHICH PROJECT COULD FIT IN WHICH CATEGORY.
WE'LL GO OVER THE PREVIOUS NOMINATIONS.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE STILL PENDING AND ARE STILL POTENTIAL AWARD WINNERS.
THESE ARE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE EAST END HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT WERE COMPLIANCE PROBLEMS FOR A LONG TIME, AND THEN WE'RE REHABBED BY THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THAT IS, I THINK, HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND REDEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS HOMETOWN BANK, RIGHT IN THE CORNER 45TH AND SEA WALL.
IT WAS A COMPLETE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
HOMETOWN BANK TORE DOWN THEIR LAST BUILDING AND BUILT THIS BUILDING, AND IT WAS BUILT UNDER THE HIGHT DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ZONE RULES, THE HDDC RULES.
IT'S A PRETTY GOOD BEFORE AND AFTER.
IT WAS A REALLY DULL METAL BUILDING AND IT GOT A PRETTY JAZZY REDO.
HOTEL LUCENE, CORNER OF TENTH AND SEAWALL, HAS BEEN COMPLETELY REDONE INTO A BOUTIQUE HOTEL AND REALLY IT CELEBRATES ITS MID CENTURY MODERN HERITAGE.
BOWLING ALLEY. GALVESTON HAVE BEEN WITHOUT A BOWLING ALLEY FROM HURRICANE IKE UNTIL JUST LAST YEAR WHEN THIS LOCALLY OWNED MOVIE THEATER BUILT BOWLING ALLEY ADDITION.
IT'S PRETTY RARE TO GET AN ENTIRE CITY BLOCK THAT'S OPEN TO INFILL CONSTRUCTION.
IT BRINGS A GROCERY STORE TO AN AREA OF THE TOWN THAT DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
THEN WE HAVE BEACON OF HOPE ISLE MARKET.
THIS WAS A NOMINEE FROM THE PUBLIC LAST YEAR, NOMINATION FROM THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS IN THE ISLAND COMMUNITY CENTER, 4,700.
LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT. MAYBE NOT.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE IF IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR EMPLOYER, THEN IT'S NOT ELIGIBLE.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN ELIGIBLE LAST YEAR WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE TOM, BUT NOW WE HAVE TOM.
WELL, LET ME JUST TO TALK ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE.
IT IS LIKE A FOOD PANTRY, BUT IT'S SET UP LIKE A GROCERY STORE.
I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY INCOME RESTRICTIONS.
IT'S OPEN TO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN GO IN AND SHOP AND TAKES THAT STIGMA AWAY FROM RECEIVING.
>> I DID NOT EVEN KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN THAT BUILDING AND NEVER SEEN THAT.
>> TOM, IS THAT YOU IN THE BACK STOCKING THE SHELVES?
>> I'M SORRY, LET'S CLARIFY [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S NOT IT'S NO LONGER ELIGIBLE BECAUSE TOM IS ON THE COMMISSION.
A PROJECT CAN'T BENEFIT THE EMPLOYEE OF A COMMISSIONER.
>> ADMITTEDLY, I'M STATIONED IN THE HOUSTON OFFICE, BUT TECHNICALLY IT IS THE SAME.
>> LET'S GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE I'M GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
IT'S JUST RULES IS RULES, PEOPLE.
LET'S NOT TRY TO I MEAN, TOM COULD QUIT HIS JOB.
NO PROJECTS THAT HAVE OR HAD A DIRECT PROFESSIONAL FINANCIAL OWNERSHIP DESIGN CONSULTING AND OR CONSTRUCTION INTERESTS OF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK IT'S CLEAR IF THAT'S TOM'S EMPLOYER,
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IT'S NO LONGER ELIGIBLE, ALTHOUGH WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD PROJECT.WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE TOM ON THE BOARD, SO WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME OFF.
WHAT STAFF DOES IS WE JUST KEEP A RUNNING LIST THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
ANYTIME WE SEE A PROJECT COMING CLOSE TO COMPLETION, WE THINK, THIS MIGHT BE A POTENTIAL NOMINEE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT LAST YEAR.
THIS WAS JUST BEING FINISHED AT THE END OF OUR PROCESS LAST YEAR AND WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE COMMISSION.
IT'S THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB MURAL ON AVENUE P, DONE BY KATHERINE STROUD, WHO'S A LOCAL ARTIST, AND IS REALLY LOVELY.
THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF CULTURAL ARTS.
THIS IS, I FORGET THE NAME OF IT.
IT'S THE HOLY FAMILY PARISH LIFE CENTER.
IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE HOLY FAMILY SCHOOL, WHICH IS ON 25TH AND URSIN, THE SITE OF THE OLD URSIN CONVENT.
THE BUILDING ITSELF IS A PRETTY INTERESTING MID CENTURY MODERN BUILDING, AND THEN THIS ADDITION IS REALLY SENSITIVE TO THAT TIME PERIOD.
I THINK THEY DID A PRETTY SEAMLESS JOB OF ADDING ONTO IT.
WE HAVE THE BISHOP'S PALACE ROOF REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS A BIG PROJECT THAT THE GALVESTON HISTORICAL FOUNDATION IS TAKING ON, THEY ARE SPENDING $4 MILLION TO REPLACE THE TILE ON THE ROOF AND EACH ONE OF THOSE TILES.
I THINK THERE ARE MAYBE A DOZEN DIFFERENT TILES, BUT THEY'RE ALL SPECIALLY MADE AND HANDMADE IN THIS PLACE IN THE MIDWEST CALLED LUIGI ROOF TILE.
THEY'RE REPLACING ALL OF THE ROOF TILE AS SPECIFIED BY NICHOLAS CLAYTON, AND THEN THEY'RE RECREATING SOME PORTIONS THAT SOME DECORATIVE PORTIONS AT THE TOP THAT WERE NEVER COMPLETED.
THE NICHOLAS CLAYTON DESIGNED THEM, BUT THEN THE GRESHAM FAMILY WHO BUILT THE HOUSE DIDN'T COMPLETE THAT.
IT WILL. IT'LL BE DONE BY MID AUGUST.
WE HAVE THE SAND HILL CRANE SOCCER COMPLEX.
THAT'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE CITIES OF THE CITIES. IT IS DONE.
IT'S WAITING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE MATURE BEFORE IT'LL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT SHOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC BY THE TIME WE DO THE AWARDS.
THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT. IT'S NOT COMING UP WITH A TON THIS YEAR.
PLEASE PUT YOUR THINKING CAPS ON AND SEND ME AN E MAIL WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK OF.
>> THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK WITH THAT, KATHERINE.
>> IT'S ALWAYS FUN. IT'S FUN THING TO WORK ON.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? MOVING ON TO 7B OR DUNE HARDENING.
[7.B Discussion of Dune Hardening (Walla)]
I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH KYLE ABOUT WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AND KYLE'S COMMENTS TO ME WERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME STUFF WE CAN DO.BUT WE NEED TO DIG INTO A LITTLE BIT TO SEE WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE.
THAT'S WHY THIS ITEM IS ON OUR DISCUSSION AGENDA.
I WANT TO GET SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM KYLE.
THEN I ALSO WANT TO GET SOME IDEA FROM STAFF IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IN ANY FORM OR FASHION, IF IT WOULD REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OR INPUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF KYLES PREPARED ANYTHING FOR US OR NOT OR.
>> MY MAIN QUESTION WAS, WE'VE DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD DO SOME SORT OF HARDENING FOR THESE GO TUBE.
THESE MAYBE IN THE FORM OF THE GO TUBE FOR THESE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING DUNES IN FRONT OF THEIR LOTS.
THE BEST EXAMPLE IS THE GUY WHO CAME AND IS PUTTING THE DUNE IN FRONT OF HIS LOT, AND WE DID ALL THIS STUFF AT THE SAME TIME AT THE LAST MEETING.
>> THE WAY THAT THE TEXT ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IS WRITTEN IS IF YOU HAVE THESE ARE CALLED EROSION RESPONSE STRUCTURES, GO TUBE, BULKHEAD, THOSE ARE TWO THAT COME TO COME TO MIND.
THOSE CAN BE USED FOR MUNICIPALITY CAN USE THOSE TO PROTECT INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY CAN BE USED TO PROTECT MULTIPLE HOMES, CONDOMINIUM, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY CANNOT BE USED FOR SINGLE SINGLE HOME.
>> IF THIS WAS DONE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PROJECT OF MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY OWNER.
>> OR IF WE WANT TO AMEND OUR PLAN AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO AMEND IT,
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WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO EVALUATE BECAUSE WE HAVE HOMES LIKE OUT AT POWERS BEACH THAT MAY NOT NEED A GEO TUBE IN FRONT OF IT, BUT THE BEACH IS ERODING, IT'S ERODING UP ON THE HOME.THEY MAY NEED A BULKHEAD, JUST TO HELP PROTECT UNDER THEIR HOME.
RIGHT NOW, WE CANNOT AUTHORIZE THEM TO EVEN GO IN THERE AND DO A BULKHEAD.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT TO ADD, WHETHER WE HAVE THESE AREAS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE BEACH AND JUST TO HELP PROTECT TAKE PROPERTY, BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAS TO BE AN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR MUNICIPALITY OR MULTIPLE HOMES OR NEIGHBORHOOD OR.
>> THIS IS IN OUR CITY CODE, NOT IN THE TAC.
>> IT IS I THOUGHT TAC WAS A STATE DOCUMENT.
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO GO APPROACH THEM TO ASK FOR THEM TO CHANGE THE TAC.
>> NO SIR. WE COULD ADD IT TO OUR PLAN.
WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW EROSION RESPONSE STRUCTURES FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IF THEY MEET THESE CRITERIA.
THEY'RE IN AN AREA THAT'S A DING MORE THAN YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT CRITERIA ON IT AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
WE COULD DO, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE OUR PLAN.
>> OUR PLAN SAYS NO FOR SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER.
>> OUR PLAN REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT.
WE REFER BACK SINCE IT'S NOT IN OUR PLANS.
SPECIFICALLY, WE REFER BACK TO THE TEX ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.
WE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT FROM TEX ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, WE WOULD DO IT IN OUR PLAN TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
>> IF WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT AND GOT IT CHANGED, WOULD IT THEN BECOME AN ENGINEERED BEACH AND GIBLE FOR RE-NOURISHMENT?
>> NO, MA'AM. BEACH NOURISHMENT, THE ENGINEERED BEACH IS WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY BUILDING THE BEACH OUT.
YOU STARTED THE WATER, AND YOU'RE PUTTING SAM BACK OUT ONTO THE BEACH.
THAT'S WHAT THE BEACH NOURISHMENT IS.
>> EVEN IF WE WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR KEPPRA, IF YOU WANT TO.
>> BUT ONE THING I'LL NOTE THERE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS, OBVIOUSLY, THE CITY HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN DOING NOURISHMENT, RENOURISHMENT, THOSE THINGS.
TYPICALLY, DO AN ENHANCEMENT IS LET EITHER AS A KEPPRA GRANT OR A NEIGHBORHOOD WIDE PROJECT, IT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE TO DO THOSE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PROJECT BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE ONES CHOOSE EASILY AND WHICH BECOME, IN ESSENCE, SOMEWHAT INEFFECTIVE ANYHOW BECAUSE THE WATER JUST GOES RIGHT AROUND IT AND WASHES IT OUT.
WE'D RATHER HAVE OAKS DOING THIS AS A JOINT PROJECT IN A SUB-REGIONAL CONTEXT.
TO STEP THROUGH THAT WITH OUR PLAN AMENDMENT, I THINK WE'D BE ELIGIBLE, CERTAINLY, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO THIS ON A SUBREGIONAL BASIS RATHER THAN AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
>> WE HAVE BEEN STARTING TO APPROACH THE HOAS ON THE WEST END BECAUSE WHEN THESE GRANTS COME OUT, THEY'VE APPROACHED US ABOUT DOING THESE DUNES.
THE GLO WANTS TO BUILD, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL DO LIKE THE GO2S, BUT THEY WANT TO BUILD DOOMS. THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE ON WHERE THE DUNES NEED TO BE BUILT IS A LOT OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT HERE, A LOT OF EROSION BAGS, A LOT OF PROPERTY DOWN ON THE BEACH.
THEIR BIG ISSUE WITH THE GLO IS GETTING EASEMENTS ACROSS THOSE PROPERTIES.
THESE HOAS HAVE APPROACHED US ABOUT PUTTING IN FOR THESE GRANTS AND DOING THESE DUNE PROJECTS, AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO GO OUT HERE AND TRY TO GET ALL OF THESE EASEMENTS ACROSS THIS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THAT'S BECAUSE TIM WAS SAYING, WE STARTED APPROACHING THEM JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO, SAYING ALL SHOULD TAKE THAT ON.
YOU CAN PUT IN FOR THE KEPPRA GRANT.
THE HOA CAN PUT IN FOR THE KEPPRA GRANTS.
YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MAKING SURE WE GET THESE EASEMENTS.
WE CAN WORK WITH YOU TO GET YOUR BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATES.
WHEN THESE GRANTS COME OUT, YOU CAN GO AND SAY, YOU HAVE THIS, YOU HAVE A PERMIT, YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS, AND MOVE FORWARD, BUT THE GLO HAS TOLD ME THEY WANT TO DO DUNES, NOT THE HARDENED DUNES, BUT THEY WANT TO DO DUNES.
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BUT THE ISSUE THEY RUN INTO IS THE EASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.WE CAN'T GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND TRY TO TRACK THAT.
>> I KNOW AFTER THE GLO WAS PUSHING FOR ROLLING EASEMENTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT RENOURISHMENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I WAS IN.
WE HAD WRITTEN A KEPPRA GRANT THAT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED AND READY TO BE FUNDED, AND THEN I-KIT AND ALL IT WAS PULLED BACK BECAUSE THEY WANTED ROLLING EASEMENTS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> NONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS WERE GOING TO SIGN OFF ON ROLLING EASEMENTS FOR THEIR PROPERTIES.
>> THEY'RE DOING THE BEACH NOURISHMENT, BUT THEY'RE GOING LIKE THE FOUR-FOOT CONTOUR, AND THEY'RE GOING OUT OF WHERE THE PUBLIC BEACH IS AT.
THEY'RE NOT GOING AS FAR UP AS POSSIBLY THEY LIKE TO.
BUT THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SAYING THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THE DUNES.
IF THEY CAN GET THESE, LIKE YOU SAID, WITH THE SEVERANCE CASE AND THE ROLLING EASEMENTS PULLING THAT BACK, THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO DUNES IN THESE AREAS, IF THEY CAN GET THESE EASEMENTS ACROSS.
WE'VE APPROACHED AND WE'RE GOING TO START TALKING AND WORKING WITH THE HOAS AND POAS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
TO HAVE THEM PREPARED WHEN THESE KEPPRA PROJECTS ROLLED AROUND THAT THEY CAN THEY CAN PUT IN FOR THEM.
THEY HAVE EVERYTHING READY TO GO.
I WANT TO WORK WITH THEM TO HAVE THE BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE, EVERYTHING LINED UP, AND WHEN THEY GO IN, SO THEY CAN SAY, READY TO GO, WE JUST NEED THE FUNDING.
>> IT'S TIMING IN SEQUENCE TO BECAUSE IF YOU GET OUT THERE AND DO A DUNE RESTORATION PROGRAM, WHAT WE DO OUR NOURISHMENT? IN TODAY'S WORLD, IT'S AN EXERCISE.
WE REALLY WANT TO DO THESE NOURISHMENTS FIRST AND HAVE THEM FOLLOW THAT UP IN THE BACK RIGHT AFTER WITH DUNE IN HAND.
>> WELL, HERE'S WHERE THIS CONVERSATION STARTED.
WE HAD A CASE LAST TIME OR THE TIME BEFORE THAT.
GUY COMES, HE BASICALLY IS BUILDING A DUNE, PUTTING A PILE OF SAND THERE.
THE FIRST BLOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE GONE.
HE'S GOING TO BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH ALL OVER AGAIN.
HE ACTUALLY HAS NO OBLIGATION TO DO IT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
IF I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY AND I'M PART OF THE HOA, AND I DON'T LIVE ON THE BEACH FRONT, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D BE ALL EXCITED ABOUT THE HOA SPENDING TIME AND MONEY TO GO PUT PROTECT SOMEBODY ELSE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'M LOOKING AT THAT, GOING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CHALLENGE THERE.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT THE HOA OWNS IT, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS WE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
IN THAT CASE, IN PARTICULAR, I'M LIKE, IF WE HAD SOMETHING WE WAS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? GO PUT YOUR DUNE THERE.
PART OF OUR REQUIREMENT IS, YOU GOT TO PUT A GO2 TUBE IN YOUR DUNE.
MAYBE IT ALL GETS WASHED AWAY, BUT AT LEAST HIS NEXT NEIGHBOR, WHO COMES ALONG AND GOES, YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT TO BUILD ON MY LOG? I'M GOING TO PUT A DUNE, AT LEAST HE'S GOT SOMETHING TO CONNECT TO, AND WE'RE GETTING STARTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT, BUT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION.
>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU PEOPLE APPROACH US AND THEY SAY, CAN WE DO THIS IN FRONT OF OUR HOME AND WE TELL THEM THE EXACT SAME THING, THIS IS WHAT TAX SAYS, IS MULTIPLE HOMES, IT CAN'T BE FOR ONE AND IF I GET TWO OR THREE OF MY NEIGHBORS AND WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS LIKE, YEAH.
BUT IT'S GOT TO BE CAN BE ONE HOME, IT'S GOT TO BE-
>> MULTIPLE ONES. WELL, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WE COULD HAVE IT TO WHERE A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER.
>> IF WE GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENT PROCESS.
>> WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT? HOLD ON A SECOND BEFORE WE MOVE ANY FURTHER.
ARE YOU GUYS FOLLOWING ME ON THIS? YOU GUYS COME. WHAT'S INVOLVED IN US? IF WE SAID, HEY, WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.
WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP FOR YOU?
>> WE'VE FINISHED UP WITH THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN AND ALL THAT I BROUGHT TO YOU ALL.
SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL PROPOSING, WE'D HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
THEY'D HAVE TO PASS IT, MAKE AN ORDINANCE.
THEN WE WOULD GO UP TO GLO, HAD TO WRITE A JUSTIFICATION OF WHY WE WANTED TO DO IT, GO OUT ON TEXAS REGISTER, REST COMMENTS, GO THROUGH THAT, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
THEY HAVE TO DO A FINAL ORDINANCE ON IT. IT WOULD BE-
>> THEN THAT MAKES MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO? HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND PURSUE? WHAT WOULD OUR NEXT STEP BE IN THAT? WHAT WE NEED TO GET THE EX-FCIOSO TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, OR HE TAKES IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAYS, HEY, PLANNING?
>> I WOULD TAKE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> YOU WOULD TAKE IT. UNDER WHOSE DIRECTION DO YOU TAKE THAT UNDER, OUR DIRECTION BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, AND YOU GUYS, I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF WORK FOR YOU, KYLE.
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I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS PROCESS.WE'RE MAKING SAUSAGE HERE, AND HOW THIS WORKS.
>> I THINK HOW IT WORKS IS TO LOOK AT THIS AS A UNIT.
I THINK KYLE IS HEARING WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE.
IF TIM AND KYLE BECAUSE REMEMBER, TIM IS A DIRECTOR OF THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THEIR RESOURCES AND TO REALLY DETERMINE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THEIR WHEELHOUSE FOR NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO TACKLE FOR NOW, AND BE HONEST ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS IT FOR NOW.
THEN SAY THAT TO THE COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO IT, AND WE WILL BRING IT TO CITY COUNCIL, SAY, THIS IS A CONCERN ON THE ISLAND, BASED ON SECOND, AND SUCH.
I DON'T THINK USING THE WORD DIRECTING IS APPROPRIATE AMONGST US.
IT'S JUST HEARING THE COMMUNICATIONS AMONGST US AND SAYING, WE HEAR EACH OTHER, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROCEED.
IF WE HAVE THE RESOURCES, KYLE IS JUST A UNIT OF TWO.
HIMSELF AND HUNTER. THAT'S IT.
>> I THINK BOTH TIM AND KYLE PROBABLY NEED TO GO BACK.
>> BUT THERE WOULD BE NO DIRECTION FROM COMMISSION TO PUSH THAT FORWARD.
BUT I THINK THE STAFF IS HEARING YOU.
>> THAT I'M STANDING IN MY LANE WHEN I SAY, HEY, OR WE COLLECTIVELY SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMISSION.
>> JUST TO TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER.
YOU GUYS GOT ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? IS THIS SOMETHING YOU THINK WE SHOULD, AS A COMMISSION, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE CAN JUST SAY, HEY, WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD PURSUE.
IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE STAFF TO DECIDE HOW THEY DO IT AND HOW THEY APPROACH IT.
>> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MANY OTHER THINGS.
I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. ANY COMMENTS?
>> WELL, I HAVE TO SAY I'M NOT SUPER EXCITED ABOUT EVEN WITH A HARD AND DO ON AN INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNER BASIS.
I THINK THE BETTER CHOICE IS TO TRY TO PUSH FOR A GROUP.
IF YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE HOA, THEN I KNOW THERE'S ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE BEACH FRONT LOT OWNERS, AND THEN THEY HAVE A LOT OF INTERIOR LOT OWNERS, AND INTERIOR LOT OWNERS DON'T CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE BEACH FRONT.
THAT'S PART OF THE MOUNTAIN THAT HAS TO BE CLIMBED.
BUT JUST ON A SINGLE LOT BASIS.
IT'S BETTER THAN A PILE OF SAND DUMPED IN FRONT OF THE LOT.
BUT IS IT WORTH THE EFFORT? RAISING THAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS.
>> AS TIM WAS SAYING, WHERE WE HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST EROSION IS THEY'RE SCHEDULED FOR WE HAVE TWO BEACH NOURISHMENT PROJECTS WILL BE STARTING IN SEPTEMBER.
HOPEFULLY, THE OTHER ONE WILL BE FOLLOWING RIGHT BEHIND IT AND WRAPPING UP SOMETIME THE FIRST OF NEXT YEAR.
ONCE WE START BUILDING THOSE BEACHES OUT LIKE TIM SAYS, YOU START BUILDING THAT OUT AND THEN MAYBE A GOOD TIME TO EVALUATE WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, WE DO THAT BEACH NOURISHMENT AND WHERE THESE DUNES HAVE BEEN BUILT, AND WE START GETTING SOME HIGH TIDES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE'LL START BE ABLE TO EVALUATE, THIS IS DOING GOOD, NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS, THEN IT'S REALLY NOT GETTING WASHED OUT BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE NO GRADE ON THE AREA.
IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO REEVALUATE THIS AFTER WE DO THE BEACH NOURISHMENT, AND JUST EVALUATE FROM THAT POINT AND SEE IF IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO.
LIKE I SAID, TIM AND I HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME OF THE WEST END HOAS JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND THEY'RE REALLY PUSHING ON POSSIBLY PUTTING IN FOR THEIR OWN GRANTS AND TAKING THE LEAD ON GETTING THAT BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT.
MY STARTING TO COME TO JUST PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THINGS.
I MAY BE GOOD TO EVALUATE IT AFTER WE DO SOME OF THE, ACTUALLY START DOING SOME PROJECTS ON THE WEST.
>> IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO DO THIS INDIVIDUALLY, GET MORE THAN ONE NEIGHBOR, EVEN UNDER CURRENT LAW,
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THEY COULD DO IT. IT'S NOT STOPPING.>> TIM AND THEIR NEIGHBOR COULD DO IT.
>> TIM AND THEIR NEIGHBOR COULD DO IT. IT'S THE ONES VERSUS TUZI.
>> THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THERE. I DON'T THINK TUZI IS ANY MORE EFFECTIVE THAN WORDS.
WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS AT THE MOMENT ON NOURISHMENT.
WE PULLED AWAY FROM THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF BEACH NOURISHMENT AS A TOURIST ENDEAVOR, INTO A BEACH NOURISHMENT AS A SAVING THE MIDDLE PART OF THE ISLAND DONE.
NOW WE CAN JUMP TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH IS LET'S GET NOURISHMENT DONE.
YOU GET AS MANY OF THOSE KNOCKED OUT AS AS GOING ON.
GLO HAS IT. A LOT OF MONEY OUT THERE FOR THESE HOAS MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A COLLECTION OF MONEY FOR THIS.
>> FOR THE DUNES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S THE BIGGEST TURTLE THEY HAVE IS JUST THE EASEMENTS.
WE'VE BEEN STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH THEM.
THE CITY CANNOT TAKE THIS ON TO PUT IN FOR THESE GRANTS, TRY TO GET THESE. NOT TO HAVE THE MAN.
>> UNDERSTOOD. ANY, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.
>> WITH THESE THINGS AMENDING, GOING BACK TO THAT PLAN, THE BEACH ACCESS OR WHATEVER.
HOW LONG BETWEEN AMENDMENTS OR REVISIONS DO WE TYPICALLY GO?
>> I THINK WE DID ONE IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WAS, BUT IN 2019, WE AMENDED IT TO INCREASE THE FEES FOR PARKING ON THE SEA WALL.
THEN, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD IN 2023, WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, AND WE HAD SOME ITEMS THAT WE HAD TO CORRECT OUT ON THE WEST END ON THE BEACH ACCESS PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE GOT THAT CLEARED UP.
WE DID IN 2023, GOT IT WRAPPED UP LAST YEAR, BUT THERE'S NOTHING. THAT SAYS.
>> BUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE COULD REACH A CRITICAL MASS OF THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
>> I THINK IT WAS SET UP LIKE 2012 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD REEVALUATE IT AND LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE DO WANT TO ADDRESS.
>> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND THE DISCUSSION.
I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I CERTAINLY HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT NOW.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL BE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.