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AND, CATHERINE, WHAT'S THE OFFICIAL NAME OF WHAT CITY OF GALVESTON OFFERS? IT'S CALLED THE FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES PROGRAM.ALL RIGHT. ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON [INAUDIBLE] BONUS ZONING?
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AND I'M THINKING, GUYS, WHY DON'T WE KIND OF GO? BECAUSE I CAN SEE A SEGUE INTO THAT INTO SOME OF THESE OTHERS.SO ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? YOU WANT TO KIND OF MOVE? IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? AND [INAUDIBLE] SO MY QUESTION IS IF YOU'RE DOING A YOU SAY IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAN WHAT AUSTIN WHAT YOU ENVISION IS [INAUDIBLE] DIFFERENT THAN WHAT AUSTIN HAS ON BONUS ZONING? POTENTIALLY. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE BASIC PREMISE OF THIS IS MORE DENSITY PER LOT.
THAT'S PART OF IT. YOU KNOW, I THINK PART OF THE PREMISE IS THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT, IN AREAS THAT MAYBE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT ON AND THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED TO SEE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVRE LAFITTE.
RIGHT. THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS ON, SAY, YOU KNOW, 21ST STREET OR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN AREAS DOWNTOWN.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S I CAN THINK OF A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES OVER, OFF. I THINK IT'S ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 19TH AND 15TH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONE ON.
BUT THEY'RE PRIME LOCATIONS RIGHT THERE IN AREAS THAT WE COULD SEE MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE CONSUMER SPENDING, MORE TAX BASE FROM PROPERTY TAXES AND, YOU KNOW, SALES TAXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WITH THE EXPANSION OF CRUISE TERMINALS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD START TO SEE MORE PEOPLE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WALK AROUND IN THOSE AREAS. BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS AND EMPTY LOTS, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH VALUE PER SQUARE FOOT IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT WORTH YOUR TIME.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO, TOM, IS THAT YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS AND I'M JUST COMPARING THIS TO THE THE AUSTIN PLAN THAT IN THAT PROGRAM THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY TARGETED TO THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS WOULD KIND OF MEET SOME CHALLENGES.
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I THINK I FOLLOW WHERE YOU I'M ALL ABOUT WHAT'S A PLAN TO MAKE SOMETHING MORE DEVELOPER FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. I GOT TO SAY THAT OR, YOU KNOW, BUT I WOULD SAY MAYBE NOT DEVELOPER FRIENDLY, BUT BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. AND, WELL, IT'S GOT TO BE BOTH, QUITE HONESTLY.SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S COMPARING CALLING IT BONUS ZONING AND USING THAT AUSTIN FOOTPRINT AS THE EXAMPLE IS SOMETHING I'M KIND OF HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING MY HANDS AROUND.
HOWEVER, I DON'T. CERTAINLY THERE ARE AREAS WHERE WE COULD OFFER SOME INCENTIVE.
SO AND I THINK THE KEY IS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW LIKE I SAID, HAVRE LAFITTE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE R1 AREAS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT WHERE IT'S DENSE. YEAH. WHERE IT'S ALREADY DENSE. AND WE COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND, YOU KNOW, THESE WOULDN'T BE BIG GLASS, YOU KNOW, SKYSCRAPER BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THESE COULD BE BUILDINGS THAT FIT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA. YOU KNOW, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW WE KIND OF WRITE, YOU KNOW, WRITE THESE THINGS AND PUT THEM INTO PLACE SO.
ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND AND WE WE HAVE SOME VERY, YOU KNOW, PRO NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT WOULD REALLY BE VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO ANYTHING COMING IN. FOR EXAMPLE MULTIPLE HOUSES ON A LOT IN SOME AREAS OF TOWN WOULD NOT BE IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD. I MEAN, YOU GET ANYWHERE NEAR THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT, AND THOSE PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK ON TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WHICH INCREASES THE DENSITY IN THAT WAY. MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, I THINK I THINK WE COVERED THAT HERE IN OUR IN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF COVERS IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE BONUS ASPECT OF IT IS THAT YOU BUILD A MULTI.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU BUILD A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT, THEN WE WILL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON IN SOME WAY.
YEAH. IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT TRADE OFF. YEAH.
I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BROADWAY, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT AND WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY BIG PARCELS. AND THE ONES THAT COME TO MIND ARE WHERE THE OH, THE THE WELL, THERE'S THE STEP IN FRONT OF THE JUSTICE CENTER, BUT THERE'S ALSO WHERE THE COMPRESS NOT THE COMPRESS THE YEAH MOODY COMPRESS IS WHERE THEY STORE ALL THE COTTON. AND THEN ALSO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN WHERE THERE'S THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT STEP.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE SOME BIG CONTIGUOUS TRACKS ALONG BROADWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD WHEN TIM WAS HERE AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS JUST BRIEFLY OF HOW WOULD WE GO TARGET AREAS LIKE THAT AND GO, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO OFFER SOME INCENTIVE TO WOULD BE DEVELOPERS FOR THOSE PARCELS? AND HE HAD HE HAD AN IDEA OF HOW THAT COULD BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF SAYING THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE.
BUT ANYWAYS I'LL LET I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE BROADWAY BEAUTIFICATION.
I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER REJONE WAS INTERESTED IN.
THE HARBORSIDE SIDE YOU KNOW, AND ONCE AGAIN AND LOOK, I'M UP HERE JUST TALKING SO YOU GUYS JUST TELL ME, BE QUIET WHEN YOU WANT TO BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAD THE THE GUY THAT DID THE ELECTRIC PARKING AND THE TEA SHOP, AND HE CAME FORWARD WITH HIS PROGRAM, WHICH HAD NO LANDSCAPING IN IT OR VERY, VERY, VERY LITTLE.
AND I THINK IT CHANGED. BUT BUT IT CHANGED BECAUSE IT WAS A PUD.
IT DIDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE HE MET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
IF HE'D HAVE MET THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING THERE.
SO THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME ALL OVER TOWN.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NEW ON HARBORSIDE, YOU DO HAVE TO DO LANDSCAPING.
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A SEPARATE, DISTINCT DISTRICT BETWEEN, SAY, 14TH AND 25TH AND HARBORSIDE.GIVEN THE WAY HARBORSIDE IS SET UP NOW, EVER SINCE THEY WIDENED THAT STREET 25 YEARS AGO.
THERE'S THE SIDEWALK IS, YOU KNOW, 12IN WIDE.
I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WOULD BENEFIT HARBORSIDE AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING DOWN THERE NOW AS A RESULT OF THE CRUISE TERMINALS, IS GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET SAFELY INTO THE STRAND AND INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF FOCUS, IT WOULD BE THAT, HOW TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS 25TH, 24TH, 23RD, 22ND, ETC. SAFELY, EASILY. SO THEY'RE NOT ALL JAMMED IN ON THIS ONE FOOT OF SIDEWALK BECAUSE THERE'S EVEN THOUGH THE THE SEMI TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE DIVERTED TO 37TH STREET NOW, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT STREET.
SO I THINK ONE OF BEAUTIFICATION IS ONE THING, BUT THE WAY THOSE BUILDINGS ARE JUST BUTT UP AGAINST THE STREET ON, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY NOTHING BUT FENCING ON THE NORTH SIDE AND PARKING, THERE'S THERE'S LIMITS TO, I THINK, WHAT YOU CAN DO.
I MEAN, YOU COULD DECORATE A FENCE, YOU COULD TRY TO PLANT SOME MORE TREES. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS TO FOCUS ON IS JUST GETTING PEOPLE OFF THOSE SHIPS INTO THE STRAND AND BACK SAFELY. I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S COVERED IN THE PORT'S MASTER PLAN SO.
BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S I MEAN, IS IT I'M SAYING LIKE TO TO YES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S ALREADY KIND OF IN THE WORKS, TRAINS DOWN THE TRACK.
WELL, THEN THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER QUESTION. HOW MUCH INPUT IS THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT FROM THE PORT? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING EXTREMELY LITTLE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE UNDER THE SURFACE IS THAT THERE'S THIS THERE'S THIS TENSION BETWEEN THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND HOW THEY OPERATE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND WHAT THIS ONE WANTS TO DO AND WHO'S TALKING TO WHO. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, OKAY, SO IF THE PORT'S GOT A PLAN.
GREAT. DOES THE CITY OF GALVESTON DO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, ARE THEY UP TO SPEED ON IT SO THAT WE CAN BE UP TO SPEED ON IT SO THE CITIZENS CAN BE UP TO SPEED ON IT, IT'S NOT JUST LEFT TO THAT GROUP OF 12 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER AT THE PORT.
THAT'S JUST ANOTHER SIDE CONVERSATION, SOMETHING THAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT HOW THESE THINGS WORK. IT BOTHERS ME TOO, BUT IT YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE.
IT'S JUST HOW BAD DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? AND THEN HARBORSIDE IS LIKE BEING DEALT WITH BY THE PORT, SO WE COULD TAKE THIS OFF THE TABLE, I THINK UNTIL WE'RE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF EXACTLY WHAT IS TO COME.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS UP IN THE AIR FROM THAT POINT ALL THE WAY TO 51ST STREET WITH THE PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE THINK THAT ENTIRE AREA AND THAT ENTIRE CORRIDOR OVER THE NEXT 5 TO 10 YEARS IS NOT GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE'LL RECOGNIZE.
SO AGAIN, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH US EXPRESSING WANTS AND WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.
OKAY, SO WE COULD TABLE THAT ONE, SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S ALREADY BEING WORKED ON SO WE COULD TABLE.
AND BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I'M ON THE SAME FABRIC AS YOU IS LIKE, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND BOARDS, AND WE COULD DO BETTER AT THAT.
BUT THE THING IS THAT A LOT OF THAT IS KIND OF IT'S OUT THERE.
SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE WHAT OUR NEXT TOPIC IS LICENSE TO USE AND FEES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER LIGHTFOOT BROUGHT UP.
SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES ON LICENSE TO USE.
SO LICENSE TO USE IS GOVERNED BY THE MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 32 AND IT REQUIRES ANYBODY WHO IS PUTTING SOMETHING INTO THE STREET RIGHT OF WAY HAS TO GET A LICENSE TO USE FROM THE CITY.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING PLACED BY A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL INTO THE PUBLIC REALM.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF LICENSE TO USE.
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THEY'RE COMMONLY USED IF PEOPLE ARE DOING WORK TO ADJACENT BUILDINGS.SO IF YOU ARE A BUILDING DOWNTOWN AND YOU NEED TO PUT AN AC UNIT ON THE ROOF, YOU CAN CLOSE THE STREET, BRING IN A CRANE AND DO THAT WORK. SAME THING FOR CLOSING A SIDEWALK TO PERFORM WORK ON A BUILDING.
WE SEE THOSE, THEY COME TO YOU AFTER THEY'VE EXPIRED THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE LICENSE TO USE PORTION.
SO PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING WORK ON BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN HAVE TO CLOSE OFF THE SIDEWALK.
AND THE FEE FOR THAT IS $10, PLUS THE COST OF THE TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SAFETY DEVICES.
THERE ARE TWO KINDS OF ADMINISTRATIVE LICENSE USE THAT THE OUR STAFF ADMINISTERS.
THE FIRST ONE, ARE THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE LICENSES THAT THEY'RE ISSUED BY US.
IT'S THIS WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF LESS INTRUSIVE ITEMS OR MORE COMMONLY USED ITEMS. SO A-FRAME SIGNS, YOU SEE THAT A LOT DOWNTOWN TABLES AND CHAIRS, DUMPSTERS AND ALLEYS, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, THINGS THAT OVERHANG THE LIKE A CORNICE OR A ROOF, CONSTRUCTION ITEMS, MERCHANDISE DISPLAY, POTTED PLANTS, PUBLIC ART. WE USED TO GET A LOT OF TREE SCULPTURES, WE DON'T ANYMORE.
RESIDENTIAL ADA RAMPS, STREET FURNITURE, SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S THINGS LIKE STREET LIGHTS, SUBDIVISION SIGNAGE, SERIES, UNDERGROUND FOUNDATIONS.
SO THOSE ARE ADMINISTERED BY STAFF. THEY EACH HAVE A SET OF STANDARDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM.
SO EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS HAS TO MEET A CORRESPONDING SET OF STANDARDS.
I PUT UP THE TABLES AND CHAIRS STANDARDS JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE, EITHER AGAINST THE WALL OF THE BUILDING OR AGAINST THE CURB.
THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY BY 11:00 AND IF IT RESULTS IN AN INCREASED PARKING REQUIREMENT, YOU HAVE TO THEY STILL HAVE TO PARK [INAUDIBLE].
SO PERMANENT LICENSE USE THAT GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE ITEMS THAT AREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR LICENSE TO USE ADMINISTRATIVE LICENSE TO USE, SO SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT LIST COMES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
ALSO, IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING ONE OF THE STANDARDS THEN THEY COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE SEE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION FENCING. DOWNTOWN IS ELIGIBLE FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE LICENSE TO USE, BUT IT REQUIRES A SHIELDED PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY.
SO IT REQUIRES THEM TO BUILD ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, PLYWOOD TUNNELS FOR PEDESTRIANS.
AND THEN AT THE DISCRETION OF THE DIRECTOR, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE DIRECTOR FEELS IS MORE APPROPRIATELY HEARD BY THIS BOARD THAN IT COMES TO YOU, ALL. THE FEES ARE $50 FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE LICENSE TO USE, PLANNING COMMISSION FEE IS $125. THERE IS A ONE TIME FEE THAT'S BASED ON THE COST OF THE ITEM BEING PLACED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT IS THIS FORMULA OF $50 FOR THE FIRST $1,000 OF COST, AND THEN $25 FOR EACH ADDITIONAL $1,000. AND THEN THERE ARE RENEWAL FEES. A CANOPY IS JUST $50, ANYTHING ELSE IS A DOLLAR A LINEAR FOOT, BUT A RENEWAL FEE LESS THAN $50 IS AUTOMATICALLY WAIVED.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE LAST SLIDE. YEAH. SORRY.
THAT'S THOSE BIKES THAT PEOPLE RIDE UP ON THE SEAWALL.
YOU NEED A LICENSE IF YOU WANT TO PLACE THEM OUTSIDE OF YOUR BUSINESS IN THE SIDEWALK AREA.
YEAH. AND THE SAME THING WITH GOLF CARTS.
WELL I BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT ACTUALLY THERE WAS MORE OF A PROBLEM THAN THERE REALLY IS.
WHEN I WENT THROUGH IT IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING I REALIZED THAT THE RENEWAL FEE, I THOUGHT IT WAS $10 PER LINEAR FOOT AND IT WAS ONLY A DOLLAR, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT TALKING MUCH MONEY HERE.
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RESTAURANT WAS REQUESTING PERMISSION TO ENCROACH ON THE SIDEWALK.AND BY DOING THAT, THEY COULD ADD TO THEIR NUMBER OF TABLES.
AND IT DIDN'T SEEM FAIR TO ME THAT THEY WOULD CHARGE THE SAME FEE FOR THAT AS THEY WOULD THE GUY WHO HAD THE CANNONS, WHO HUNG OVER THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW. ALSO THE, THE THE METHOD OF USING A LINEAR FOOT AS OPPOSED TO LIKE A SQUARE FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WAS CORRECT.
BECAUSE IF YOU IF YOU HAVE 20 LINEAR FEET AND YOU ENCROACH 6 INCHES, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ENCUMBERED 10 SQUARE FEET. BUT IF YOU HAVE 20 LINEAR FEET AND YOU ENCROACH 6 FEET, YOU EVEN ENCUMBERED 120FT.
SO WHY SHOULD THOSE BE CHARGED THE SAME? BUT IT'S AGAIN, IT'S THAT SMALL, SMALL DOLLARS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH THE COMMISSION'S TIME TO GO THROUGH IT.
THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED THE RENEWAL FEE. IT USED TO BE A DOLLAR LINEAR FOOT FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THEN WE WERE SENDING OUT THESE BILLS FOR $14 EVERY YEAR.
AND WE REALIZED THAT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT WORTH THE TIME AND THE EFFORT TO TO AGREE.
YEAH. THERE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT THAT USE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PEOPLE WHO CHARGE MORE OF A MARKET RATE, ESPECIALLY FOR I USED TO WORK IN SAN ANTONIO AND THEY CHARGE MARKET RATE FOR THE RIVERWALK.
THE RIVERWALK IS PUBLICLY OWNED FOR THOSE TABLES AND CHAIRS.
THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S LUCRATIVE. BUT HERE WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE A LIVELY DOWNTOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE OF HAVING THE SIDEWALK CAFES.
I KNOW WE'VE WE'VE GONE THROUGH TIMES WHERE WE'VE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL BUILDINGS WHERE WE GIVE AN LTU FOR THEIR BLOCKING THE STREET AND EVERYTHING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. AND THEY COME BACK AND THEY'RE ASKING AGAIN FOR CONSTRUCTION, AND IT DRAGS. AND I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT.
SHOULD THERE OR WOULD IT, WOULD IT OR COULD IT OR SHOULD IT GO ALL THREE BE SOME KIND OF PENALTY WHEN THEY GIVE US INSTEAD OF GIVE US AN INCORRECT ESTIMATE? IT'S LIKE, I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO BE THROUGH BY JUNE, SO I'LL JUST GET AN LTU UNTIL MARCH AND THEN I'LL COME BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SHOULD THERE BE A SHOULD WE PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR KIND OF DOING THAT? I DON'T WANT TO SAY INTENTIONALLY, BUT MAYBE JUST.
YEAH. SO I CAN, I CAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHEN THOSE GUYS MY READ ON THAT IS STAN, IS WHEN THOSE GUYS COME. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE HERE.
THEY WISH THEY WERE DONE AND NOT DOING THAT. SO I DON'T.
AND KEEP IN MIND, THE REALLY HARD THING IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GRANT THEM THE LTU.
SO IF IT EVER CAME DOWN TO IT, THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PLAYING US FOR LACK OF ANOTHER WORD, YOU THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO TELL THEM NO.
SO HE'S ACTUALLY YOU GOT TO REMEMBER TOO A LOT OF THOSE LTUS THAT THOSE GUYS ARE DOING.
THEY'RE THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE PARKING. IT'S NOT A FREEBIE, SO I THEY'RE ALREADY BEING PENALIZED.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY'RE BEING PENALIZED, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PAYING A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN A DOLLAR A LINEAR FOOT. YEAH. AND THEY HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO GET THEIR PROJECTS DONE.
I DON'T LIKE THOSE WHEN THEY KEEP COMING BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WE COULD TELL THEM YOU COME BACK AGAIN WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENEW IT. YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BUILD. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN TELL THEM YOU NEED TO GO YOU NEED TO GO BUILD A STRUCTURE. WE WE WOULD WE HAVE.
YEAH. WE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO IF THAT BECAME A PROBLEM, WHICH IS THE COVERED TUNNEL THING.
YES. AND THEY'D HAVE TO GO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY TO DO THAT.
SO. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU, YOU'RE NOT THEY STILL HAVE ANOTHER OPTION.
I DON'T WE WANT TO HELP THOSE GUYS. AND I GET IT.
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I DON'T LIKE WHEN THEY COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN I WANT THEM TO BE DONE.NO, AT ALL. SO THAT'S MY THAT'S MY. I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CALL THEM VARIANCES. TECHNICAL TERM IS DEVIATIONS.
ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING. IT'S GOVERNED BY ARTICLE FOUR OF THE LDR, APPLICANTS HAVE TO SUBMIT A PLAN THAT DESCRIBES THE PROJECT AND IDENTIFIES THE DEVIATIONS. THEY'RE REVIEWED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S A DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL THAT ALLOWS FOR THE PLACEMENT OF CONDITIONS.
WE HAVE AVERAGED SINCE WE'VE HAD THEM IN 2015, 6 CASES A YEAR, BUT WE SAW 14.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT NUMBER 14 IN 2023. SO IT CALMED BACK DOWN IN 24.
AND SO FAR THIS YEAR WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE. [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE 25 ACTIVE PUDS. I WAS LOOKING AT THE PUD SORT OF STATUSES.
SOME OF THOSE WERE EXTENSIONS, TIME EXTENSIONS.
BUT THERE'S A BUILT IN EXTENSION IF THERE'S A NATURAL DISASTER DECLARATION WITHIN THAT TWO YEARS, YOU GET ANOTHER TWO YEARS. SO WE HAVE 25 PUDS APPROVED, DONE.
WE HAVE 25 PUDS EITHER APPROVED AND DONE OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW OR WITHIN THEIR TIME LIMIT.
OKAY. SO THEY'RE STILL WITHIN THEIR TWO YEAR TIME FRAME.
SO PUDS APPROVED AND ACTUALLY ALL IN ALL DONE, THAT NUMBER IS PROBABLY AROUND 20.
I WAS WORKING ON THAT WHEN IT WAS SUDDENLY 2:00 AND READY TO COME OVER HERE.
SO I'M INTERESTED. I WOULD THINK I'M INTERESTED TO KNOW.
SO ONCE I GET THAT NUMBER DISTILLED, I'LL. I'LL EMAIL IT, AND THAT'S FINE.
I JUST THAT'S A THAT'S AN INTERESTING STATISTIC.
IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING STATISTIC. I THINK SO TOO. YEAH. WELL WE HAD 59 CASES APPROVED.
AND WE ACTUALLY OF THAT ONE THIRD OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING, RIGHT? YEAH. OUT OF THOSE 59, WE WERE REVOKING SOME, WE WERE EXTENDING, SOME GET WITHDRAWN.
I WAS ALSO SURPRISED BY THE WITHDRAWN NUMBER OUT OF THAT 59, 12 WERE WITHDRAWN.
YOU KNOW THE THE I KNOW THAT PUDS ARE A NECESSARY EVIL.
THEY'RE BETTER THAN SUPS, BUT THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR.
SO IT IS A NECESSARY EVIL, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD DOUBT ANYBODY WOULD DISAGREE WITH ME, THAT WHEN WE SEE THESE AND THEY HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF DEVIATIONS, THEY BECAME BECOME COMPLEX. HOWEVER, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE APPLICANTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT PLANNING STAFF IS TELLING THEM DON'T DO IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN CHANGE THAT. WELL, THAT'S THE ADVICE THAT WE GIVE APPLICANTS, IS TO REALLY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DEVIATIONS TO THE APPS, TO THE MINIMUM THAT YOU WANT TO BE ASKING FOR THE LEAST NUMBER OF, OF DEVIATIONS. AND THEN WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THEM TO BRING SOMETHING ELSE ELSE FORWARD.
YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A GIVE AND TAKE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING.
SO YOU SHOULD BE GIVING SOMETHING TOO. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE TALK TO TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT.
YEAH. THAT THAT REALLY IS THE KEY TO WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TIM. I MEAN, I REMEMBER TELLING THE ONE GUY, YOU NEED TO THROW ME A BONE.
I MEAN, HE WANTED 13 DEVIATIONS. EXACTLY.
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AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE.WE TELL THEM THAT IN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT. YEAH.
AND I KNOW YOU DO. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, NONE OF US LIKE THOSE. MOST OF Y'ALL WERE HERE FOR THAT.
WHAT WAS THE ONE? THE LAST ONE BY NAME? YEAH.
AND IT IS YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR DISCRETION TO ASK THEM FOR THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO ASK FOR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ASK FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC.
FIX THEIR PROBLEM. YEAH. AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
RIGHT. AND WE HAD AND OBVIOUSLY THE LAST PUD WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THEY DID COME AND SAID, HEY, WE'LL YOU TELL US WHAT YOU WANT. AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.
WE HAVE THE PUD BELL WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST RING THE BELL AND IT GETS OUR ATTENTION.
GAVEL. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO CATHERINE IS THERE BECAUSE IS THERE, LIKE, A MOST REQUESTED EXEMPTION OR DEVIATION OR DEVIATIONS, PARTICULARLY WITH WEST END PROJECTS OR BEACHFRONT PROJECTS? A GOOD QUESTION. WE SEE A LOT OF REDUCTION IN LOT SIZE.
OKAY. REQUEST FOR PRIVATE STREETS. OKAY. AND THE WIDTH, RIGHT.
THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS. THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. THAT'S A COMMON ONE.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST WE SEE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THEN LANDSCAPING AFTER THAT.
MAYBE. MAYBE AFTER THAT [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SUGGEST MAYBE LIKE GIVE US YOUR TOP THREE DEVIATION REQUESTS INSTEAD OF COMING LIKE SOMEONE DID WITH, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN. IT'S LIKE, CAN WE LIMIT IT TO FIVE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE OF THE LDR? AND WHAT THEY'VE GOT TO GO BY DEPENDING ON THE ZONING.
IF WE KNOW USUALLY IT'S GOING TO BE THE STREETS AND THE, THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD SAY THAT I MEAN, IN OUR IN OUR CITY, AND WHAT'S HARD ABOUT THIS IS AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE THESE AND NOBODY REALLY LIKES THEM, THEY'RE A NECESSARY EVIL BECAUSE WE HAVE TO WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT THEY HAVE SOME RIGHTS AS PROPERTY OWNERS AND THIS IS THEIR TOOL TO COME ASK US. THEY CAN ASK US FOR 100. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM ONE, BUT IT IS YOU HAVE A GREAT POINT AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM THAT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, IT'S LIKE, WHY DON'T WE JUST LIMIT TO HOW MANY DEVIATIONS? AND I CAN TELL YOU I'VE HAD A COUPLE GLASSES OF WINE THINKING ABOUT HOW YOU FIX THIS.
MAYBE MORE THAN TWO, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW YOU ELIMINATE IT.
IT'S JUST YOU GOT TO HAVE IT. IT'S IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S A SLEDGEHAMMER, AND YOU NEED A SURGEON'S SCALPEL, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE GET RID OF IT. I'D LIKE TO HEAR SOME COMMENTS ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, AS I LISTEN TO US TALK AND AS I'VE BEEN THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, I ALWAYS THINK WHEN THEY ARE ASKING FOR THIS DEVIATION, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO KNOW WHY THEY NEED IT AND THEN HOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO IMPEDE ON THE CURRENT RESTRICTIONS. LIKE, HOW IS THIS DEVIATION NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE INTENT OF WHAT'S IN PLACE NOW? AND IF WE IF THEY COULD ARTICULATE THAT BEFORE THEY GET TO US.
OKAY. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT RESTRICTION IS AND HOW WHAT WE WANT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE A BIG CHANGE, OR BECAUSE IF IT'S SOMETHING DRAMATIC, WE USUALLY DENY IT.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S TO THE POINT THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, THESE THREE THINGS BEFORE IT EVEN COMES TO US.AND MAYBE THAT WOULD GET THEM THINKING ABOUT, OH, WELL, MAYBE I REALLY SHOULDN'T DO THIS, MAYBE NOT. WELL, I THINK THEY DO HAVE TO ARTICULATE.
I MEAN, THEY MAKE AN ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR WHY THEY WANT IT.
YEAH. AND THE THE LDR SAYS THAT THE DEVIATION HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED BY THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE SITE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S PRETTY EASY, YOU KNOW, TO IDENTIFY.
BUT IT ALSO SAYS OR OTHER EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCE CIRCUMSTANCES.
TIM WHAT WOULD THAT BE UNDER EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK IT'S A CATCH ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITIES OUT THERE THAT A PUD ENABLES POSSIBILITIES OF OF YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS THAT ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR HERE, DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING TO US WITH SOME REALLY INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA OR STYLES OR WHAT HAVE YOU AND, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE MINIMUMS. DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING GRANDER THAN THAN OUR MINIMUMS IS HIGHLY ENCOURAGED.
IN FACT, IT'S EXPECTED TO SOME DEGREE. BUT IT JUST ALLOWS FOR THAT WHOLE POTENTIAL CACHE OF OF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OPTIONS THAT THAT COULD BE OUT THERE.
SO IT IT'S A, IT'S A I THINK IT'S A GOOD AND PROPER THING TO HAVE IT OPEN ENDED.
BUT BUT THE JUSTIFICATION REALLY DOES NEED TO BE SPECIFIC TO WHY THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT OR THAT THEY SOMEHOW, IN MY OPINION, HAVE MITIGATED IT. THE ONE, THE THE ONE ITEM THAT CATHERINE MENTIONED ABOUT PRIVATE STREETS IF YOU HAVE A DISASTER WITHIN THAT, THEN YOU GET TWO MORE.
I'M SURE WE COULD KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SEE APPROVED MOST OFTEN VERSUS DENIED MOST OFTEN.
SOME DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. COULD WE WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO KIND OF SCORE SOME OF THESE THINGS? SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, HEY, AS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE CAN CHANGE THEM LATER.
WE SEE GREEN SPACE AND SIDEWALKS AND, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE AS THREE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.
AND SO IF YOU BRING US A PUD AND WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY BENEFIT.
YOU KNOW, WE COULD SCORE IT THIS THIS WAY OR THAT WAY.
AND THEN LIKEWISE WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, THESE ARE THE THINGS PEOPLE ASK FOR THE MOST.
WELL, ONE, MAYBE WE NEED TO REVIEW WHETHER THOSE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD JUST BE BY RIGHT OR SOMETHING.
BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GIVE US THIS, THEN WE GET THAT AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF ADD A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, CLARIFICATION FOR DEVELOPERS AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THESE THINGS GOING, ALL RIGHT,
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WHAT SHOULD I BRING TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL? THEY CAN SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE SCORED, YOU KNOW. I THINK THAT THIS COULD CONNECT WITH YOUR THE CONCEPT OF THE BONUS ZONING.AND THEY SAY, WELL, WHAT WHAT CAN WE SAY? OH, RIGHT.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE COULD DEVELOP A LIST OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE, IN THE, THE BONUS ZONING THAT ARE ATTRACTIVE TO THE COUNCIL BY AREA.
AND I'LL DEFINITELY WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT. BUT I WOULD THINK IF WE HAD JUST YOUR YOUR COMMENT, TIM, THAT'S REALLY A GOOD ONE.
I MEAN, PRIVATE STREETS AND PRIVATE UTILITIES ARE BECOMING VERY COMMONPLACE.
SO MY COMMENT IS THIS WE COULD DO WE COULD, WE COULD DO THOSE CHANGES OR WE COULD WORK ON THOSE CHANGES OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL'S PURVIEW A LITTLE BIT.
OF COURSE WE WANT THEM TO APPROVE IT. BUT I WOULD THINK IF WE SENT SOMETHING TO YOU GUYS AND SAID, HEY, WE'RE SEEING THIS. WE DON'T. IT'S CREATING PUDS, AND WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE PUDS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY COME TO YOU NEXT. AND WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE IF WE HAD 59, I BET WE COULD COME UP WITH A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU KNOW.
WHAT IF THIS IF WE ELIMINATED THESE, THIS WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A PUD.
YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO. DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
JUST THIS IDEA OF WHAT ARE WE SEEING? WHAT'S APPROVED AND WHAT'S DENIED.
ARE YOU FOLLOWING MY THINKING ON THAT? YEAH. YES.
I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE. YES. CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY.
SO WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'RE INTERESTED.
IT IS A WORKSHOP. SO IT'S NOT A MEETING WHERE WE TAKE COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC.
CERTAINLY WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU, AS ALWAYS, BUT JUST PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT IT IS A IT'S A WORKSHOP MEETING AND IT IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC. [INAUDIBLE] WHAT YOU HEAR WHEN THE MEETING IS OVER, BUT JUST THAT CASE HAS BEEN CANCELED, AND IT WILL BE RESUBMITTED AND YOU'LL GET ANOTHER NOTIFICATION OF IT SO IT WON'T BE HEARD TODAY.
SO Y'ALL STICK AROUND AND Y'ALL ARE GOING TO BE BUYING APPETIZERS AND COCKTAILS AFTER.
BUT THANKS FOR COMING I APPRECIATE YOUR APPRECIATE YOUR COMING.
BUT BACK TO THAT YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT'S A REALLY A A GOOD IDEA ON THESE PUDS IS THAT, THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. HOW MANY OTHERS WE HAVE? I'M NOT SURE. BUT MAYBE I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE SOME PROPORTION OF, OF THE REQUESTS AWAY.
AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, YOU STILL NEED THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT I'M THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME UP WITH SOME AND WE'LL SEE SOME OF IT THERE. WE MIGHT CONSIDER BEFORE WE WOULD GO SPEND SOME STAFF TIME ON AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT OF IT.
IF YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC THINK THAT'S THINKS THAT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS RUN WITH IT AND, AND AND WORKSHOP IT AND GO ON DOWN THE ROAD. DO WE DO THAT WHERE I'M JUST JUST TO PICK ONE.
OKAY. WHERE WE HAD OUR GUY WITH THE TEA SHOP, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON THAT ONE, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ONE WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, THROW US A BONE AND IF YOU DO THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS.
AND I'M JUST I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I'M PICKING THAT ONE, BUT.
WELL, IT WOULD KIND OF TO YOUR BONUS THING. YEAH.
DO WE NEED TO? DO WE NEED TO GO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND LOOK AT SOME OF THAT STUFF? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT, TIM? YOU'RE THE. WELL, I THINK EVENTUALLY YEAH IF IT ROLLS INTO THE BONUS ZONING OR SOME OTHER MEANS OF, OF YOU KNOW, PUD REGULATIONS IN GENERAL. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY TIMELY AND APPROPRIATE TO, TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS.
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OH, CERTAINLY. BUT I'M ALSO AND IN LIEU OF USING THE WORD BONUS ZONING BECAUSE TO ME THAT THROWS UP SOME RED FLAGS. BUT IT IS TO INCENTIVIZE THE PUD PROGRAM.IT'S LIKE IF YOU WANT TO APPLY FOR A PUD. HEY, HERE'S A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD IF YOU DO THIS.
AND AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS, BUT IF I HAD TO JUST PICK ONE, GREEN SPACE.
PROVIDE US WITH GREEN SPACE OFF SITE IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, FINE. WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL PERMIT IT HERE. BUT YOU NEED TO PROVIDE IT OFF SITE SOMEWHERE.
AND I'M JUST I'M JUST PICKING SOMETHING OUT OF THIN AIR SO.
AND THAT WOULD BE HOW WOULD THAT PROCESS WORK.
WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD START WITH CATHERINE.
I THINK WE'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH. SO WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL LOOK AT THE STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, TOM SAID WHAT WE HAVE IN HDC AND SEE IF WE CAN START TO COME UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, SOME ITEMS THAT WOULD BE INCENTIVES. YOU GOOD WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO ADD I WAS WAITING. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ON COUNCIL IS THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEVELOPMENT AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE WALKED AWAY BECAUSE OF, FOR INSTANCE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS OR DETENTION PONDS, WHICH IN A COUPLE OF CASES WAS GOING TO COST AS MUCH AS THE ACTUAL BUILDING THAT THEY WERE CONSTRUCTING.
SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PUDS AND SOME OF THE OVERSIGHT THAT THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ESPECIALLY WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT IT DIDN'T EVEN AFFECT OUR FLOOD RATES.
NOT ONLY AS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THE THE LAND USE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF DRAINAGE IS WHERE WE START OR IF WE START WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS FAR AS TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND THINGS THAT WE MAKE DECISIONS ON AND CHANGE AND REQUIRE AND GIVE MORE OVERSIGHT HAS A VERY LARGE EFFECT AS TO WHAT WE CAN DEPEND ON FOR OUR TAX BASE. SO JUST SOME INSIGHT.
YEAH. IF I MIGHT, PLEASE. HIT THAT UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SO FAR HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE REALM OF THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND OUR DEPARTMENT.
THE THE STORMWATER DETENTION ISSUE IS REALLY MORE OF AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ISSUE.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S CRITICAL TO THE CITY TO CONTINUE FUNCTIONING IN A WAY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, BEST FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE'S SOME STANDARD THAT'S BEEN GENERATED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THAT'S PERHAPS EXCESSIVE. I'M NOT SAYING IT IS NECESSARILY EXCESSIVE.
YOU KNOW, BUT IT MIGHT BE I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT DEPARTMENT TO, TO REVIEW THAT AND SORT OF RECOMMEND WHAT, WHAT THEY THINK OUGHT TO HAPPEN AND, AND AND THEN COMING BACK HERE FOR, FOR A DISCUSSION OF HOW THAT IMPACTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING PROJECTS. WOULD PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO.
AND THAT IS AN ENGINEERING THING. THAT'S AN ENGINEERING THING.
BUT BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PLANNING PROCESS.
SO IT DOES KIND OF FALL IN OUR, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE FIRST STOP IN WHERE THOSE GUIDELINES ARE SET IN FRONT OF DEVELOPER X AND INITIALLY COULD BASICALLY BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEY GET THIS BIG LIST OF REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, WHICH MEANS BIG DOLLAR SIGNS. AND SO A LOT OF IT'S NOT EVEN GETTING TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
THE, YOU KNOW, STOP ONE IS PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M, DEFINITELY THE FIRST STOP.
YEAH. THEY, THEY IF THEY HAVE A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING OR JUST SOME KIND OF INFORMAL MEETING,
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JUST DISCUSSING THINGS WITH US, WE WE HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO THESE DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER TO GET THE PROJECT APPROVED.ENGINEERING IS ONE OF THEM. AND AND WHEN ENGINEERING SAYS THIS IS THE STANDARD.
AND THEN THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, RED LIGHTS GO OFF.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A FORMAL PRE-DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, THEN IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SURPRISE BECAUSE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS IN THOSE MEETINGS. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING ON, IS MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ESPECIALLY LARGER SCALE PROJECTS, BUT EVEN ANY PROJECT REALLY SHOULD STEP THROUGH THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IT BENEFITS THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HEAR ALL THE INFORMATION AT THAT ONE MEETING, OR AT LEAST EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN THINK OF TO ASK.
AND THAT INFORMATION IS IMPARTED THERE. IF THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF NAVIGATING IT IS IS THE NEXT STEP.
SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS SO ROBERT DOES A GOOD JOB OVER THERE.
OH, YEAH. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE HAD SOME STUFF THAT I'VE SEEN COME THROUGH HERE AND I'VE HAD MY DOUBTS, HAD MY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND I LET IT GO BECAUSE I KNEW WHEN IT GOT TO ROBERT'S DESK IT WAS GOING TO STOP THERE.
HOWEVER, WHAT I HEAR HIM SAYING IS, IS THAT IT'S A STAFF.
WE KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN ONE CASE OF SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THAT, AND THEY GET TO THIS DETENTION ISSUE AND A DRAINAGE ISSUE, AND IT JUST STOPS IT DEAD IN ITS TRACKS. SO I CAN SEE WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN AGGRAVATION FOR, LET'S SAY I'M THE LANDOWNER OR THE DEVELOPER IS THAT IT SAYS IT COMES TO STAFF AND IT KIND OF STOPS THERE.
HOWEVER, IT'S KIND OF IN TO THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL.
SO HOW DOES THE PUBLIC GET TO WEIGH IN ON THAT WHEN IT KIND OF GETS STOPPED AT A STAFF LEVEL? AND IT DOESN'T REALLY, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT IN OUR WHEELHOUSE.
SO HOW DOES. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S NOT. IT'S IN FACT THAT THAT ENGINEERING STANDARD IS SOMETHING THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS THE ABILITY TO AMEND THEMSELVES. WHO ASKED FOR THAT? WHO WHO WOULD GO REQUEST AN AMENDMENT TO AN ENGINEERING REQUIREMENT THAT IS THAT A CITY COUNCIL ISSUE? THE PREVIOUS CITY ENGINEER BEFORE ROBERT WAS THERE WAS THE ONE WHO IMPOSED THIS.
OKAY, OKAY. HE DID THAT UNILATERALLY, PRETTY MUCH.
RIGHT. IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO AMEND THESE REGULATIONS, OR THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT. AND IN MY OPINION, THAT WAS A BIT OF AN OVERREACH TO TO SET THE STANDARD WITHOUT REALLY VETTING IT PROPERLY. AND ROBERT IS AWARE OF THAT, AND I THINK HE'S WILLING TO, TO LOOK AT THIS AND LOOK AT IT IN A, IN A, IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT.
AS WELL, I WILL, I WILL ADD THAT THE JUSTICE CENTER PROJECT IN PARTICULAR.
AND I'M NOT JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT PICKING ON ANYONE, I'M JUST PICKING THAT ONE OUT OF THIN AIR.
THE JUSTICE CENTER PROJECT HAD AN ENGINEER WITH THE DEVELOPER PRESENT WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH US, INCLUDING OUR ENGINEER, AND THERE WAS SOME THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS MADE ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT ALTERNATIVELY ACHIEVE SOME OF THESE DRAINAGE CRITERIA BY INSTEAD OF DETAINING, FLUSHING THE SYSTEM OUT AND GETTING THAT OUT TO, TO SEA LEVEL IN ADVANCE OF, OF WATER, YOU KNOW, IN THE SYSTEM COMING TO THAT SPOT BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO THE SYSTEM.
OUT OF THE SYSTEM AS WELL. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T WITHOUT SOLUTIONS.
SO THERE WERE SOME ALTERNATIVES PRESENTED THERE.
AND I REALLY WISH THEIR ENGINEER HAD CHASED THEM DOWN FURTHER, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WAS IN A POSITION TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE DETENTION, OR AT LEAST THE DETENTION IN THE AMOUNT THAT IT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, STATED IN THE REGS THAT IF THEY WERE TO GET THAT WATER OUT AT BEFORE THE PEAK CAME ACROSS THAT WAY, MOVING TO THE NORTH AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO BE AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE, RIGHT?
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YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'RE REALLY GETTING OUT IN THE WEEDS, BUT REALLY MY QUESTION IS THAT'S NOT IN OUR WHEELHOUSE AS PLANNING COMMISSION.WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO GO TELL THE THE CITY ENGINEER, HEY, YOU NEED TO CHANGE THIS CRITERIA. BUT I THINK IT BUT IT DOES BRING UP THE QUESTION OF HOW DOES THAT GET FIXED? BECAUSE IT'S ALL IT CAN ALL BE TIED INTO PUDS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD REQUIRE VARIATIONS OR DEVIATIONS.
OH IT'S A PUD REQUEST. NO, NO, NO, I'M SAYING ALL OF, ALL OF THIS THING.
AS FAR AS BEING IN OUR WHEELHOUSE, A PUD IS ASKING FOR A DEVIATION OR A VARIATION.
IF THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A VARIATION OR DEVIATION, SUCH AS STORM, STORM, STORM DRAINAGE IT ALL TIES BACK IN, BUT THOSE AREN'T. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHERE WE GO FIX THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THE REMEDY THAT CAN BE ANSWERED IN A FLOOD. IT'S NOT.
IT'S A DEVIATION FROM THE MUNICIPAL CODE. SO THE FLOOD ACTUALLY ISN'T THE VENUE, OR SO TO SPEAK.
LET ME MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING. LET'S JUST GIVE A SCENARIO.
DEVELOPER STOPS INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
IS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NOT THE ONE THAT PRESENTS THE INITIAL REQUIREMENTS, THAT PRESENTS THE INITIAL AREA THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED? THIS IS YOUR BUILDING SPACE. THIS IS HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU NEED.
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE AREA THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE FOR GREEN SPACE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE THE AREA THAT YOU NEED OR PRESENT FOR DRAINAGE.
IS THAT NOT THE CASE? NOT NOT FOR DRAINAGE, OKAY? NOT FOR DRAINAGE, BUT IT'S A SPECIFIC SECTION MI.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IS THIS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS IS IS A COG IN THE LOOP OF THE PERMIT PROCESS.
OKAY. THAT PERMIT PROCESS IS ADMINISTERED BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, BUILDING PLANNING COASTAL RESOURCES IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT THEY'RE ALL IN THAT COG AS WELL. BUT THAT'S JUST LITERALLY THAT THAT'S JUST THE MEANS FOR FOLKS TO GET ANSWERS FOR THEIR PERMIT.
THE PROCESS FOR DEVIATION FROM THE RULES IN THE LDRS IS AND IN MUNI CODE IT'S SET BY ITS INDIVIDUAL CHAPTERS. SO THE ENGINEERING CHAPTER HAS ITS CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL CHAPTERS, WHETHER IT'S LOUD NOISE OR WHATEVER, THERE'S WAYS TO, YOU KNOW, REQUEST THINGS FROM FROM CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE ORDINANCES.
BUT BUT THE THE LDRS IS REALLY THE PORTION THAT COMES BACK TO YOU GUYS FOR CONSIDERATION.
RIGHT? WHEREAS ENGINEERING HERE'S WHAT I THINK I HEAR I WAS SAYING IS, IS WHY CAN'T WE HAVE DRAINAGE BE PART OF A PUD REQUEST? NOW MAYBE IT WOULD BE SEPARATE THAN THE REQUEST THAT WE WOULD HEAR BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS, WE'RE NOT DRAINAGE EXPERTS. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD HOW THAT WOULD IT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL.
IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY A KIND OF A COOL IDEA IS THAT IT'S PART OF THE PUD REQUEST.
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WE DON'T HEAR IT, BUT IT'S. HEY, I WANT A PUD.AND PART OF THE PUD REQUEST IS, IS A DEVIATION FROM THIS ENGINEERING REQUEST.
AND REALLY WE'RE GETTING IN THE WEEDS WITH THIS.
BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT, THOUGH. WHAT HE HAS IS HERE'S WHAT I THINK I HEAR HIM SAYING IS, IS WHY COULDN'T THAT BE A PART OF THE PUTT REQUEST? IT'S NOT A PUTT COMING TO HEAR THE LDR PORTION OF IT, BUT IT'S TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, FROM OTHER SOME OTHER PORTION OF IT.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS. SO I THINK I THINK THE ENGINEERING CHAPTER HAS ITS SPECIFIC WORDING ON, YOU KNOW. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. I MEAN WE'RE GETTING THERE.
IT'S IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS, I THINK, A HUGE PART OF SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET FIXED SOON, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE LOST A LOT OF TAX REVENUE BECAUSE OF IT.
SO AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE I THINK WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY SAID THIS COMMENT WAS TO REMIND US NOT TO PUT TOO MANY RESTRICTIONS IN OUR PUDS.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU STARTED WITH THIS, BUT I WANTED YOU TO ALSO HEAR WHAT RUSTY WAS SAYING, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS THAT THEY DON'T END UP COMING TO US, THAT THEY CAN RESOLVE IT TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF RESTRICTIONS, NOT ADD MORE. SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF OUR GOAL.
LIKE AS HE MENTIONED, BONUS ZONING. LIKE IF YOU PUT THE GREEN AREA HERE, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME TO US FOR THIS DEVIATION SO THAT THINGS COULD GET RESOLVED TO REMOVE BARRIERS FOR DEVELOPERS, NOT PUT MORE BARRIERS IN.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH THAT.
AND YOUR SUGGESTION COUNCILMAN OF THIS BEING REMEDIED IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE AND RIGHT ON TARGET.
I THINK WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT THAT CODE ALLOWS IT, WHICH TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, WE WE TALKED WE TALKED WITH ROBERT.
WE TALKED WITH ROBERT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW HE THINKS WE SHOULD GET THERE AND THEN WE GO THAT ROUTE.
YEAH. OKAY. SO TO MOVE ON, PLEASE. OH. SORRY.
JOHN. YEAH. I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR YOU WEIGH IN ON THIS. WELL, I WAS GOING TO JUST COMMENT AND AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER THAT WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF CASES COME THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AT SOME POINT WITH THE DRAINAGE.
BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE HERE.
I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DEVIATE FROM THAT.
YEAH. THANKS, JOHN. SO JUST TO TO MOVE ON WITH THE PAST WHERE WE'RE KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS BECAUSE REALLY, WHAT I LIKE IS YOUR COMMENT OF MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD ELIMINATE TO MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR THE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO EVEN HAVE TO HEAR A PUD TO BEGIN WITH.
AND WHAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ON OUR LAUNDRY LIST OF GIVE US THIS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
NOW I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CREATE THAT. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME, I KNOW WE HAVE THE COMP PLAN STUFF COMING UP, BUT I THINK WE COULD ALL AGREE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD PLAN, AND AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, STAFF OR SOMEONE PROBABLY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE FIT IN THAT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO WITHOUT MOVING.
WE DON'T NEED TO GO ASK CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
OKAY. SO WE'LL START DOING THAT RESEARCH. AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT BACK ON AS A TOPIC.
AND I THINK IT'D BE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SOMETHING FOR US TO.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO WITHOUT SPENDING SOME TIME WITH YOU GUYS.
SO IF WE COULD PUT THAT ON, YOU GUYS ALL UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
YOU GOOD WITH THAT. OKAY, SO IF WE COULD DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S I LIKE THAT CHECK.
ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT'S OUR PUD DISCUSSION.
OTHER NEW TOPIC WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING, ALSO BROUGHT FORWARD BY COMMISSIONER SINGLETON.
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BUT STRUGGLE TO AFFORD MARKET RATE HOUSING. SO THAT'S GENERALLY RECOGNIZED.THIS IS A CHART THAT'S PUBLISHED BY OUR GRANTS AND HOUSING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY HAVE SOME LOW INCOME PROGRAMS FOR ESPECIALLY HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSEHOLD INCOME LIMITS BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD.
SO IF YOU'RE ONE PERSON AND YOU EARN $53,000 A YEAR, THEN THAT'S 61% TO 80% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME. SO THAT WOULD BE ABOUT THE START OF WORKFORCE HOUSING WOULD BE ALONG THIS SECOND TO LAST LINE.
THEIR SAND AND SEA REALTY COMPANY, THEY DO A LOT OF STATISTICS.
THEY'RE ALL ON THEIR WEBSITE. AND SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2024, THE MEDIAN HOUSE PRICE IN GALVESTON WAS $447,000, WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY. I MYSELF, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE IN 2012 WE PAID $122,000 FOR IT.
AND I USED TO JOKE, ONE DAY I'M GOING TO SELL THIS HOUSE FOR $400,000.
AND IT'S NOT A JOKE ANYMORE. IT'S NOT A JOKE ANYMORE.
YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT IS JUST A LITTLE INTRODUCTION ON THAT AND AGAIN, I'LL IF MR. SINGLETON WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I THINK WHAT I'M HOPING TO LOOK AT WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING IS YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE, THE HOUSING THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LOOKING AT. AND I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH FOLKS ALL OVER TOWN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS EXACT TOPIC. IF YOU KNOW ME, YOU KNOW THAT I CAN'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS, IS, YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF HOUSES ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, AND SOME OF THOSE WOULD EVEN FIT SORT OF THE MODEL THAT SOMEBODY WOULD THINK ABOUT AS A, YOU KNOW, A MIDDLE INCOME HOUSE. BUT TO ME, IT SUGGESTS SINCE THERE'S SO MANY HOUSES, NONE OF THEM ARE SELLING, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING TO THIS AREA.
AND SO IT'S AS MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT HOUSING THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED IT, BUT ALSO WHAT HOUSING WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT JUST OUT OF THE KINDNESS OF OUR HEART TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE HOUSES. WE'RE TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE IN WHO CONSISTENTLY SPEND MOST OF THEIR SALARY HERE, WHO WORK IN OUR BUSINESSES, WHO START NEW BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, COME TO OUR RESTAURANTS OR, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER ELSE SO.
MY THOUGHTS ON THIS IS A MULTIFACETED ISSUE. THERE'S SOME MARKET, YOU KNOW, MARKET PARAMETERS THAT ARE CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT AFFECT THIS, THE THE HIGH PRICE OF HOUSING.
YOU KNOW, I'LL STICK MY NECK OUT THERE AND SAY STR.
YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE TRY AND EVERY TIME I'VE SEEN SOMEBODY TRY TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA TO FIX THIS, THEN WE, WE END UP AT STR AGAIN AND I THINK WE GOT TO GET.
AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE ON THAT.
THAT'S AGAIN KIND OF OUT IN THE WEEDS, BUT I THINK UNTIL WE SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH THAT AND, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON THAT.
THEY'RE ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF A NECESSARY EVIL.
THEY PAY A LOT OF BILLS IN THIS TOWN. SO WE CAN'T JUST KICK THOSE GUYS TO THE CURB.
BUT WHEN WE TRY AND MAKE SOMETHING AFFORDABLE FOR OUR WORKFORCE, THE THEY END UP BEING AN STR.
NOW THAT IS CHANGING THAT THAT DYNAMIC IS CHANGING VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
AND THE STR BUSINESS IS NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
I CAN VOUCH FOR THAT. SO IT'S IT'S AN ISSUE, TOM.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD ARGUE THAT. AFFORDABLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAVE TWO SONS AND TWO DAUGHTER IN LAWS THAT LIVE IN THIS TOWN.
AND THEY IF IT WOULDN'T BE FOR ME, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD AFFORD A HOME.
IT'S THEY'RE JUST EXPENSIVE. THE ONE'S A SCHOOLTEACHER.
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THEY JUST DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A HOUSE.IT'S IT'S BUT IT'S EVERYWHERE. IT'S NOT JUST HERE.
IT'S IT'S EVERYWHERE. SO UNTIL WE GET OUR HANDS AROUND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH STRS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR US TO ADDRESS THIS. THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. IT'S NOT AN ANSWER.
IT'S NOT A SOLUTION, BUT IT'S JUST WHAT I SEE.
SO THAT'S MY $0.02 AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'D LOVE TO GET EVERYBODY'S OPINION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT.
EVEN FOLKS WITH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD JOBS OR, YOU KNOW, STRUGGLING TO, TO MAKE IT ON THIS ISLAND.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AS A YOUNG GUY. I MOVED BACK BACK HOME, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO, AND WE BOUGHT A HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, IT IT WASN'T CHEAP, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, 01,300 SQUARE FEET. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A BIG PLACE.
IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, I'M REDOING THE DECK MYSELF, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE YOU KNOW, IT'S. YEAH.
NOTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT, SO NOT. YEAH.
YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, MY MY POINT, THOUGH, IS THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE STR ISSUE IS A BIG ONE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WORKING ON AS A COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GRAPPLING WITH. I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT THAT THEY PAY A LOT OF BILLS. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE NOT HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX IS OBVIOUSLY A GOOD THING. YOU KNOW, IT GOT US THROUGH THAT PANDEMIC, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY'RE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE ECONOMY.
AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF GET FOCUSED ON THE STR ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S SO PROMINENT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TWO ON MY BLOCK. AND I CAN TELL YOU I CALL THE PARK BOARD WHENEVER THEIR MUSIC IS PLAYING PAST 11:00 YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M THERE. THEY WAKE MY KIDS UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO IT'S IT'S A REAL ISSUE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND MAYBE NOT US, BUT AS A COMMUNITY WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES MAY NOT BE THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS.
WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD OURSELVES OUT OF THIS WITH 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
AND TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HUGE STUDENT POPULATION, RIGHT? MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO HAVE STUDENT HOUSING? YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE WITH, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE, MAYBE NOT LIKE, ONCE AGAIN, AS A COMMISSION, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS.
YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS OUT THERE, BUT I THINK WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, GET TOO BOGGED DOWN INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE STR YES OR NO ISSUE.
WE CAN KIND OF LOSE SIGHT OF THE FOREST SO. ANYBODY ELSE? OH YEAH. I'VE GOT $0.02 TO PUT IN. I SPENT THREE RATHER FRUSTRATING YEARS ON THE RDA AND THE GALVESTON PROPERTY FINANCE CORPORATION AND HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD WAS THERE'S NO LOTS, BUT THERE ARE VACANT LOTS EVERYWHERE NORTH OF BROADWAY.
BUT THERE ARE NO LOTS FOR SALE. THERE'S NO LOTS THAT YOU CAN BUY.
YOU KNOW, WE I WAS DOING A CONSTANT SEARCH THROUGH MLS, AND AS SOON AS AN AFFORDABLE LOT WOULD COME ON THE MARKET, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD SELL, LIKE, IN A MATTER OF DAYS.
I MEAN, THERE ARE LOTS THAT ARE VERY HIGH PRICED.
THERE SEEMS TO BE A INVESTMENT, A VERY STRONG INVESTMENT ATTITUDE AND PEOPLE ARE HOLDING THEIR PROPERTY VACANT LOTS. I SUGGESTED AT ONE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE CITY PERHAPS SHOULD CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING LIKE THE MUD DISTRICTS DID BACK IN THE LATE 80S WHEN THEY HAD SOLD ALL THESE BONDS, PUT IN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND NOBODY WAS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD MARKET.
AND SO THEY WERE SITTING ON RAW LAND. AND SO THEY IMPLEMENTED STANDBY FEES.
SO THE LANDOWNERS HAD TO START PAYING STANDBY FEES, WHICH IS ANOTHER FORM OF TAX.
LANDOWNERS GOT HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
I WAS ONE OF THOSE GUYS, AND IT GOT ME INTO THE SELF-SERVE CAR WASH BUSINESS FOR A WHILE.
BUT YOU KNOW, AND IT TAKES A REAL STRONG, DETERMINED ATTITUDE IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY AND FORCE LANDOWNERS TO DO THAT. AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, BY THE WAY, IS YOU HAVE SANITARY CAPACITY AND YOU PLANT YOU HAVE WATER CAPACITY IN THE PLANT THAT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED.
IT IS SET ASIDE FOR THOSE THOSE LOT OWNERS AND THEY'RE NOT USING IT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE STANDBY FEE WAS FOR. THEY HAD TO PAY TO RESERVE THAT CAPACITY.
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AND IT GOT THEM MOTIVATED. AND YOU KNOW WE FINALLY WORKED THROUGH IT A BETTER ECONOMY, YOU KNOW, HELPED TOO. BUT IT'S JUST THE LACK OF PROPERTY.THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. BUT IT'S IT'S THERE. I MEAN, IT IT REALLY PAINS ME TO DRIVE BY THE VACANT LOTS THAT, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE POTENTIAL, THE HOUSES THAT COULD GO IN THERE.
BUT LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD YOUR HOUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD YOUR WAY OUT OF IT ONE HOUSE AT A TIME, EITHER. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A BIG DEVELOPER TO COME IN WITH A GOOD PROPERTY THAT HE CAN PUT A COUPLE OF HUNDRED HOUSES ON TO START.
YEAH. ALONG THE LINES OF, OF THE LOTS AND THE CAPABILITY, WE HAD SOME COME UP.
WE MAY WANT TO AND I I'VE BEEN MULLING THIS OVER.
WE MAY WANT TO AS A PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE A MOTION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE IN FRONT OF THE IN AN ACTIVE MEETING. COULD WE MAKE A STATEMENT DIRECTED BASICALLY AT THE SCHOOL BOARD ABOUT THE PROPOSAL FOR THIS PARK AND HOW WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT MORE OF AN ADDITIONAL AREA FOR HOUSING WHERE WE HAVE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN BUILDING AND THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE WORKFORCE BUILDINGS.
WOULD IT BE AT THE TOP PART OF THE 81%, OR WOULD IT BE AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE BOTTOM? CONSIDERING THE LOCATION THAT ROSENBERG IS, I'M THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE TOP PART THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE USING.
AND WE KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE RENTAL PROPERTY OVER ON THE EAST SIDE FISH VILLAGE AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PRE-MED, MED STUDENTS, NURSES, ETC.
I KNOW, I KNOW THAT IT'S IT'S IN MY MIND THAT I THINK AS A GROUP IF WE MAKE THIS KIND OF COMMENT AND IT GIVES HORSEPOWER TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON KIND OF DIRECTING WHERE THIS WHOLE THING NEEDS TO GO.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL KIND OF GOT THIS, WHAT WAS IT CALLED, A RESOLUTION? THEY GOT THE RESOLUTION WITHOUT ALL THE INFORMATION.
SO I THINK THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A KIND OF COMING, COME TO THE TABLE KIND OF THING WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE SHOWING THAT THERE IS SOME CONSENSUS FOR LESS OF PARK AND MORE OF TAX REVENUE, MORE OF MONEY GOING TOWARD THE SCHOOLS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN VISIBLE ENOUGH TO THE PUBLIC.
AND SO RUSTY, I DON'T I SEE YOU THINKING ABOUT THAT.
MIC]. WE CAN'T MAKE A RESOLUTION.
BOARD, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SPEAKING OF.
YEAH. WE DON'T CLEARLY I MEAN IT IS IT IS A CITY ISSUE. YOU KNOW BY BY CITY I DON'T MEAN THE CITY OF GALVESTON, I MEAN JUST OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. IT AFFECTS THINGS. SO I'M NOT REAL SURE THAT IT THAT IT'S.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU IF YOU RECOMMEND SOMETHING, YOU MAY RECOMMEND SOMETHING ELSE.
EXACTLY. I WAS NOT I WAS NOT SUGGESTING WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD.
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I WAS SAYING WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF THE OPINION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THEY CAN USE IN FORWARD LOOKING OR GOING TO THE NEXT LEVEL THAT THIS GOES TO. ONE OF YOUR POWERS IS TO SUBMIT REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ORDERLY GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. BUT YEAH, I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE TO COUNCIL.YEAH. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION, CATHERINE.
WE CHANGED THE ZONING ON THAT PARCEL TO WHERE IT WAS MULTIFAMILY, CORRECT.
SO IT'S CHANGED TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
IS A PARK USE PERMITTED IN A SINGLE IN A R-1 DISTRICT.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE OKAY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S IN OUR THAT'S IN OUR WHEELHOUSE.
YOU KNOW, IS CHANGING THAT USE TO FROM R-3 TO A PARK SPACE, IS THAT PERMITTED IN THE ZONING REQUIREMENT IN THE ZONING STANDARDS? ALMOST CERTAIN THAT A PARK IS GOING TO BE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE.
JUST A QUESTION. YES. IT'S ALLOWED. IT IS. OKAY.
IT MEETS THE LDRS REQUIREMENT. SO THAT'S KIND OF A YOU KNOW, STAN, I HEAR YOU AND I'M JUST I CAN TELL YOU WHAT I CAN TELL YOU MY OPINION IS, IS THAT AND IT'S IT IS JUST AN OPINION.
BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE SEALY-SMITH FOUNDATION, THEIR INTENTIONS ARE GOOD.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE, BUT THEY'RE NOT TO GO OVER THERE AND PUT SOME HIGH DENSITY DEAL.
HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THAT'S THEIR DEAL TOO.
WE'RE REALLY GETTING IN THE WEEDS WITH THAT, WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU AS A COMMISSIONER AND ASKING OUR BOARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AS A BODY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN OUR THAT IS THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW.
IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY. I THINK DONNA STATED ON THIS.
I HEAR YOU, BUT I DON'T. AND I CAN TELL YOU YOU'VE SAID YOU'VE SAID IT, I'VE SAID IT PUBLICLY.
A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, TOO, BUT THAT'S NOT WE WORK AT THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL.
THEY TELL US WHAT TO DO. I DON'T THINK WE GET TO GO TELL THEM, YOU DON'T GET TO GO TELL THE BOSS WHAT HE GETS TO DO, AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO. SO THAT'S MY $0.02 ON THAT.
I'M I HEAR YOU WELL, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S IN, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S NOT OUR THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.
WE GOTTA WE GOTTA STAY IN OUR LANE AND WE'VE ALREADY WE WERE ALREADY IN THE DITCH WITH THE DRAINAGE THING, SO YEAH, LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S LET'S MOVE ON.
SO I'M GOING TO. YEAH. EXACTLY. LET'S MOVE ON TO SOMETHING.
WE CAN, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR, TO OUR ALLEY STUFF.
ONE THAT SAYS YOU CAN DO IT, AND ONE THAT SORT OF SAYS YOU CAN'T BUT DOESN'T NOT REALLY DEFINITIVE.
LOT THAT CURRENTLY ONLY HAD STREET ACCESS, AND THE SECOND LOT ON THIS NEW DIVISION WOULD ONLY HAVE ALLEY ACCESS. AND JOHN AND I WERE BOTH STUCK ON THE LDR 6.303 STREET DESIGN AND LAYOUT, WHICH SAYS NO NEW BUSINESS OR DWELLING SHALL FACE OR HAVE ITS MAIN ENTRANCE ON AN ALLEY. BUT THEN IT WAS ALSO POINTED OUT TO US IN 6.302 EACH LOT SHALL HAVE FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET, OR AN ALLEY, OR A PRIVATE ACCESS WAY THAT CONFORMS TO THE STANDARD CONSTRUCTION SPECIFICATIONS AND DETAILS.
SO IT'S KIND OF TWO CONFLICTING. I UNDERSTAND THAT 6.302 SPEAKS TO A LOT OF THE LAND ON THE ISLAND ALREADY THAT ONLY HAS ALLEY ACCESS, BUT WHAT WE WERE BEING ASKED OR BEING PRESENTED WITH WAS A PUD IN OUR MIND IT WAS A NEW DWELLING AND THEREFORE GIVING IT ONLY ALLEY ACCESS WASN'T COMPLIANT.
BUT THEN WE WERE TOLD THAT, WELL, THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT.
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SO WE JUST WANTED, I LET ME SPEAK FOR ME AND NOT JOHN, WANT CLARIFICATION ON WHAT'S WHAT IS THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS.SO IT'S GIVING US THREE OPTIONS FOR FRONTAGE.
AND THAT IS IN THE SECTION ABOUT LOTS AND BLOCKS.
AND THIS OTHER SECTION IS IN STREET DESIGN AND LAYOUT AND IT SAYS UNDER ALLEYS, IT GIVES YOU A COUPLE OF ITEMS ABOUT ALLEYS AND THEN NO NEW BUSINESS OR DWELLING SHALL FACE OR HAVE ITS MAIN ENTRANCE ON AN ALLEY.
SO TO ME, THE OTHER STATEMENT IS MUCH MORE DEFINITIVE AND CLEAR.
SO THAT'S MORE OF LIKE THE DESIGN OF A STRUCTURE.
SO IS THIS A PUD? THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I READ IT.
IT'S A DESIGN ISSUE RATHER THAN A USE ISSUE. BUT IN THIS PUD THAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THE LOT IT WASN'T A PUD, IT WAS JUST A REPLAT. IT WAS A REPLAT. OKAY, SO THE REPLAT, THE THE CURRENT LOT HAD STREET ACCESS.
YES. WHICH TO US SEEM LIKE NEW DEVELOPMENT. YES.
SO. BUT, BUT SO SO SO SECTION 6.302 SAYS YOU CAN DO THAT.
OOPS. IT SAYS EACH LOT SHALL HAVE FRONTAGE ON A STREET OR AN ALLEY OR A PRIVATE ACCESS WAY, SO THAT'S SAYING YOU CAN DO IT. AND THEN THIS SECTION IS ONLY SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE ON AN ALLEY.
BUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS THE FRONT DOOR TO YOUR HOUSE.
SO IT COULD BE ON THE SIDE, IT COULD BE ON THE REAR.
IT'S NOT DEFINITIVE ENOUGH FOR THIS TO SAY NO NEW I AGREE WITH CATHERINE 100% THERE. IT SEEMS TO BE A DESIGN ISSUE, MUCH LIKE WE HAVE ON BROADWAY, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUSINESS IS SUPPOSED TO FACE BROADWAY.
IT'S LITERALLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING VERSUS HOW IT ACCESSES ITS LOT ACCESSES THINGS NOW.
MIC] I MEAN, WE SEE THESE FROM TIME TO TIME. YEAH.
AND YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY PART OF YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR THE AUTHORIZATION.
WAS THAT IT? IT LITERALLY HAD AN EASEMENT GOING THROUGH THE FRONT TO THE FRONT STREET.
HE DID AND AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW HE MADE IT WORK.
AND I I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THESE GUYS.
BUT WHEN WE HEARD THAT CASE, THAT WAS MY IT'S LIKE, LOOK, I DON'T LIKE THIS.
I THINK TO ME THE ISSUE IS HAVING LOTS THAT FACE THE ALLEY IS JUST A BAD IDEA.
AN ALLEY IS NOT A STREET. IT'S THERE'S NO PARKING THERE.
IT'S JUST IT IS JUST A IT'S JUST A BAD IDEA. AND I KNOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD TOWN.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE HOMES THAT ARE ON ALLEYS, BUT WHERE WE'RE WHERE WE SAW THIS, I CAN TELL YOU I SAW IT AND I WENT, THIS IS IN OUR URBAN CORE AND NOW WE'RE BASICALLY GIVING THESE GUYS A WAY TO GO TAKE, THAT WAS TWO LOTS, RIGHT? IT WAS ONE LOT. IT WAS. WAS IT ONE LOT? ONE LOT. YEAH. AND THEY WERE MAKING IT INTO NO, THEY TURNED IT INTO THREE.
SO YOU GOT TO REMEMBER. SO NOW ALL OF OUR AMENITIES FOR LACK OF ANOTHER WORD ARE NOW GOING TO BE TIMES THREE. INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HAVE SEWER, STREETS, EVERYTHING FOR ONE HOUSE.
NOW WE GOT TO HAVE IT FOR THREE. AND MY CONCERN WITH THIS IS AND AND THIS IS ONE I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO WORKSHOP IS I KNOW WE NEED MORE LOTS. WE'VE HEARD THAT. BUT ALLOWING THEM ON TO FRONT THOSE ALLEYS IS JUST A BAD IDEA.
IT'S IT'S JUST NOT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
IT'S JUST IT CREATES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. THE MY FAVORITE WAS JOHN, THE PICKUP TRUCK.
NO. WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE ALLEY? THERE'S NO SPEED LIMIT SIGN.
BUT THAT WAS THE ONE THAT REALLY STUCK IN MY HEAD. IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO THERE COULD BE A STOP SIGN. BUT I JUST THINK WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. AND THAT'S MY I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY $0.02.
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THE FUNNY THING IS, IS THAT BO, MY FIRST THOUGHTS WERE WE WANTED TO SEND THIS TO YOU GUYS AND GO, HEY, DO WE REALLY WANT TO TAKE ONE LOT AND TURN IT TO THREE? IN OUR URBAN CORE? BECAUSE REMEMBER, NOW IT'S TIMES THREE, THREE TIMES THE TRAFFIC, THREE TIMES EVERYTHING.BUT I'M ALL, HOW DO WE DO THIS, GUYS? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO GO DO ALL THE WORK.
AND THEN CITY COUNCIL SAYS THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
WE NEED THE LOTS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. WE NEED THE LOTS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER STOPGAP MEASURE IN THIS THAT IF A IF A SINGLE FAMILY LOT IS TURNED INTO TWO, THEN THERE'S NOT A REQUEST FOR REZONE. BUT IF IT'S TURNED INTO THREE, THERE HAS TO BE A REQUEST FOR REZONE BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T THINK IT'S A ZONING ISSUE.
I DON'T I'M NOT AWARE OF. SO YOU CAN SUBDIVIDE A SINGLE FAMILY LOT INTO THREE WITHOUT ANY.
IT'S STILL A SUBDIVISION. IT'S THERE'S A THERE'S A FOUR LOT PROVISION THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ADMINISTRATIVE VERSUS HAVING TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT BUT YOU YOU CAN TAKE A SINGLE FAMILY, LET'S SAY A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, 50 BY 100.
AND YOU CAN DIVIDE THAT INTO THREE SEPARATE HOMES WITHOUT COMING AND ASKING TO REQUEST TO DO THAT.
IT IS. YEAH. IF YOU'RE AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN GET DOWN TO 2,500.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THE ACTUAL LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT MINIMUM.
I MEAN, MINIMUM OF 2,500. SO SO IF YOU HAD A 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT, YOU COULD PUT THREE HOMES ON THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO SUBDIVIDE IT. YOU STILL HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE IT.
THE ISSUE WITH THIS ONE, BO, WAS HE HAD HIS 7,500FT².
HE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH FRONTAGE ON THE STREET.
SO HOW HE FIXED THE PROBLEM WAS IS, HE GAVE THESE TWO GUYS ENOUGH FRONTAGE AND HE PUT LIKE THIS LITTLE NARROW EASEMENT, A TEN FOOT EASEMENT, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. AND HE FRONTED THE THIRD ONE ON THE ALLEY.
AND AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BY OUR RULES, IT WAS A ROUND PEG GOING IN A ROUND HOLE.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT OBLIGATED TO GIVE HIM HIS, HIS.
THAT'S MORE REALLY THE CRITICAL PIECE OF THIS, AS I SEE IT IS, YOU KNOW AS AS THE LAW CURRENTLY STANDS, I BELIEVE IT ALLOWS THIS. IT I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, TIM, IF IT'S RIGHT OR NOT, OR IF IT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
BUT CLEARLY. YEAH. WHAT HAPPENS IF, IF, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THIS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THIS WASN'T THE LAW, IT WAS SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. SOURCE YOU YOU WOULD HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE ISSUE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE CREATED AND I KNOW WHERE THE LEGISLATURE AT THE STATE LEVEL IS GOING.
THE LAST THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE WAS A BILL THAT THAT BASICALLY WAS FLOATED.
IT DIDN'T PASS, BUT IT'S COMING BACK. THAT THAT A CITY COULDN'T REGULATE ANYTHING.
LOT SIZE. YEAH. LOT SIZE. THAT THAT A LOT COULD BE AS SMALL AS 1,400 FEET.
AND THE CITY AND A CITY COULD OVERRULE ALL OF OUR RULES.
SO AS LONG AS IT MADE 1,400 SQUARE FEET JUST ASSUMING THAT'S THE NUMBER.
YES. BY STATE LAW, YOU'D HAVE TO APPROVE THEIR REQUEST.
YOU WOULD. BUT HOWEVER, WHY COULDN'T WE SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A LOT IN OUR TOWN, IT HAS TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET, NOT ON AN ALLEY, BECAUSE AN ALLEY IS NOT A PUBLIC STREET.
YEAH, I'M JUST KIND OF. AND THIS IS WHY I WANT TO WORK.
I THINK, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BUILT MULTIPLE HOMES THAT FRONT THE ALLEY IN THE LAST 24 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER RUN INTO A SITUATION THAT'S THAT EXTREME.
IT'S BEEN MORE OF HOMEOWNERS WANT A GARAGE, AND THEY HAVE THE SPACE TO DO SO.
AND THEY PUT LIVING QUARTERS ABOVE THE GARAGE.
THESE WEREN'T [INAUDIBLE] THIS WAS THIS WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IN LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC AREA, I MEAN, THIS THE HISTORIC LAYOUT OF GALVESTON, I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY BOOKS PRODUCED ABOUT THE ALLEY HOMES IN GALVESTON.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WASN'T ORIGINALLY LAID OUT FOR.
FAST FORWARD. AND, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE DENSITY REALLY MATTERS.
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AND I KNOW THAT TWO PROJECTS THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO WAY ANY CARS CAN I MEAN, ONE SINGLE CAR CAN GET DOWN THERE AT ONE TIME. THERE'S NO ABILITY TO UTILIZE THAT ALLEY AS A BASICALLY AS A STREET.AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED.
SO MAYBE THE STANDARD THAT WE COULD INTERJECT IN THIS LDR SOMEWHERE IS WHAT ALLEY REQUIREMENT WOULD BE IF YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE OR YOUR ONLY ENTRANCE WAS ON THAT ALLEY. BECAUSE I KNOW THE ALLEY SO IN AN EFFORT TO MOVE THE BALL FORWARD, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD WORKSHOP WITHOUT COUNCIL GIVING US THE GO AHEAD. OKAY. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO WORKSHOP THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, BO, IS WE'D LIKE WE'D LIKE TO SPEND A LITTLE.
YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED. WE WE CAN SPEND THE TIME ON IT AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU GUYS AND GO, HEY, HERE'S HERE'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. IT'S IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO THAT'S IS THAT GOOD WITH YOU GUYS? YEAH. AND THIS IS MORE MOSTLY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SO MANY HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY ON ALLEYWAYS.
THIS IS FOR WHY ARE WE CREATING MORE ISSUES IF WE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE IF WE IF WE'RE PUTTING ACCESS DOWN AN ALLEY, THAT'S NOT EVEN THAT CREATES A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT EVEN BARELY A CAR CAN GET DOWN IT.
TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING, BUT OUR REGULATIONS SAY THEY CAN DO IT.
SO I JUST WANT IT CLEAN. AND SO I KNOW THAT I'M GOING THE RIGHT, DOING THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, TO, TO PARTNER OR TO PAIR THAT AN ALLEY HAS TO HAVE A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, NO DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REQUIRE OF ANY NEW CUL DE SAC OR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT IT HAS A MINIMUM WIDTH FOR ACCESS, NOT ONLY SAFETY ACCESS, FOR JUST PURE ACCESS.
AND I THINK THAT IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD, DURING THAT WORKSHOP, COME TO A CONSENSUS AS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU, ALL THAT WE FEEL THAT THE MINIMUM ALLEYWAY SHOULD BE NO LESS THAN 25FT, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE WE CONSIDER THOSE AREAS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE TO ACCESS, BUT THEN WE PROHIBIT THOSE AREAS THAT IT'S JUST GOING TO CAUSE ISSUES. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AND OUR PICKLE ON SOME OF THIS THOUGH, IS THAT WE GO SPEND THE TIME AND EFFORT ON IT.
WE SEND IT UP TO UP THE FOOD CHAIN AND IT GETS NIXED.
SO I THINK WHAT WE KIND OF GOT TO DO IS I THINK WE GOT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, STOP HERE. WE DON'T WANT TO GO WORKSHOP THIS THING LIKE WE DID.
WE ALL HERE FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS. WHO WAS HERE FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS? YEAH. WE DON'T WANT ONE OF THOSE AGAIN. AND WE'VE WORKSHOPPED THAT THING LIKE TEN TIMES.
BUT I THINK IT'S I THINK WE NEED TO KIND OF HAVE SOME AGREEMENT.
HEY, LET'S WORKSHOP THIS A COUPLE TIMES AND THEN COME BACK TO YOU AND GO, LOOK, HERE'S OUR IDEAS, BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN GET THAT DONE AND WELL.
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ALL RIGHT I'M GOOD. WE GOT ONE. YAY. OKAY I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY MORE SLIDES.ANYTHING ELSE. SO YEAH. SO THE OTHER OF THE NEW TOPIC.
WELL, NO OLD TOPICS ARE ON OLD TOPICS. OUR BROADWAY BEAUTIFICATION AND HARDENING BEACH FRONT.
COASTAL IS NOT AVAILABLE TODAY, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND WE HAVE A REAL GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO MY QUESTION TO KYLE WAS WHERE THIS CAME FROM IS LIKE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THESE PEOPLE? AND THOUGH THIS ISN'T A DEAL WHERE WE'RE ASKING TO GO HARDEN THE BEACHFRONT, WE JUST WANT YOU GOT SOME SOME LEEWAY TO GO LOOK INTO WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR US? I KNOW THAT AS WE DO SOME BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROJECTS, THINGS CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS PROBABLY BEING A LITTLE BIT PROACTIVE, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS AT LEAST HAVE SOME LEEWAY TO GO START SOME CONVERSATION WITH OUR COASTAL RESOURCES GUYS TO GO, WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS? BECAUSE HE THINKS WE MIGHT HAVE SOME I DON'T WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ANSWER, BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE WORK ON A LITTLE BIT.
SO THIS IS THAT'S WHERE THIS IS. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME TO YOU GUYS AND GO, HEY, WE HAVE A PROGRAM TO FIX THIS. WE'RE GOING TO HARDEN THE BEACHFRONT.
I THINK IT'S MORE OF A DEAL OF WE WOULD LIKE PERMISSION TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF COASTAL RESOURCES, TIME AND RESOURCES TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE WITH THIS.
MAYBE REMIND ME OR JUST ENLIGHTEN ME. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS THAT IF ANYONE REMEMBERS WHAT WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE SAND SOX OR THE, SO DID THAT. SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT IT'S BUT IT'S ALSO ONE THAT THOSE RULES HAVE CHANGED.
AND IF ANY OF YOU STAFF MEMBERS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THOSE RULES HAVE CHANGED.
AND SAND SOX, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKE THE GUYS WITH THE CONDO.
WHAT'S THE ONE THAT'S HAVING ALL THE GRAND BEACH? YEAH, THOSE GUYS ARE HAVING ALL KINDS OF ISSUES.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? OUR COASTAL RESOURCES GUYS ASSISTED THEM ON COMING UP WITH AT LEAST A TEMPORARY FIX SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT BLOW DOESN'T TOPPLE THE THING INTO THE BEACH FRONT.
SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS AND WE REALLY DON'T WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON IT.
KYLE SEEMS TO THINK MAYBE WE HAVE YOU KNOW WHAT.
WE MAY HAVE OUR FIRST WORKSHOP AND HE SAYS IT AIN'T HAPPENING.
BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS ONE. WELL RUSTY, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU POINTED OUT ON THE LAST ONE THAT WE SAW IS THIS HOMEOWNER WAS PUTTING IN ALL THIS DUNE WORK SO THAT THEY COULD GET THEIR PROJECT APPROVED.
AND THEN THE TWO NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS WEREN'T.
AND SO YOU WERE SAYING YOU HAD A GREAT IDEA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, BUT THERE WAS A WAY THAT PART OF THAT PROCESS TO REACH OUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS NEXT TO THEM AND SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE THAT THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER SO THAT THAT ONE DUNE IS NOT GOING TO JUST GET WASHED RIGHT, RIGHT BACK OUT. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY BRILLIANT.
AND SO I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO THAT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, THEN, IS THIS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GET CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE US A NOD TO GO SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON? I THINK PROBABLY YOU COULD SPEND A LITTLE TIME WITH KYLE ON IT.
SO WE REALLY CONDENSE WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT WITH OUR POLICY.
OKAY. ASK IS AND THEN TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. YEAH.
OKAY. SO TO KIND OF GO BACK THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF.
DID SOMEBODY WAS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS, WAS THIS ONE OF YOUR.
WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT YOU GOT GOING ON THERE, ANTHONY? WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. OKAY, SO I KNOW THAT WE SPENT SOME TIME ON BROADWAY BEAUTIFICATION AND WE WE LOOKED AT THERE WAS A BOUNDARY THAT WE MOVED RIGHT FOR LIKE OVER THE 27TH OR 29TH STREET FOR THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT. SO EVERY TIME I GO UP AND DOWN BROADWAY, WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT TO SUGGEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT INCENTIVIZES THE BUSINESS BUSINESSES ON BROADWAY TO PROMOTE
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GALVESTON. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER, YOU'VE GOT THE FLAGS THAT HANG FROM SOME OF THE LIGHT POLES.YOU'VE GOT THE STRAND, DISTINCT STREET SIGNS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE CORRIDOR OF BROADWAY, WHETHER IT'S DESIGNATING A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE, THAT GIVES THE BUSINESS OWNERS SOME KIND OF WAY TO PARTICIPATE.
YOU DON'T JUST DRIVE RIGHT BY IT. RIGHT. AND I'M LOOKING LIKE LIKE LIKE WHAT IS A SIMPLE WAY TO DO THAT? ONE WAY WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE FLAGS. THERE YOU HAVE GALVESTON ON THE CONVENTION CENTER, THE STREET SIGNS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE SOMETHING IN THE MEDIAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE LIMITED, GIVEN THAT IT'S STATE HIGHWAY 87, WHAT THOSE LIMITS ARE.
BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO THAT DOESN'T ISN'T GOING TO COST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY, THAT WILL DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO PUTTING UP A WHOLE BUNCH OF BALLOONS ON BROADWAY. RIGHT? IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE STREET.
YES. NO BALLOONS. NO BALLOONS. I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT SOMETHING THAT THAT HIGHLIGHTS THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO GALVESTON, THEY'RE NOT JUST PASSING BURGER KING AND SHELL.
RIGHT? THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO GALVESTON IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
SO IT'S MORE OF A PR THING. I WILL SAY THAT WHEN THE BROADWAY PLAN WAS, WAS DEVELOPED IN [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. IT HAD A COMPONENT OF THAT IN IT.
OF A WAY TO SORT OF MARKET BROADWAY WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF BANNER SYSTEM OR, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OR EVEN SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU REMEMBER ALL THOSE MEDIAN ENDS [INAUDIBLE] HAD THE ROUND CIRCLES AT EACH END.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF THAT IN THE PLAN.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE THINGS ARE ALL STILL THAT WHOLE PLAN REALLY IS, IS STILL VALID, ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T FORMALLY ADOPTED YET. YOU KNOW THERE ARE CONCEPTS THAT I BELIEVE WILL ALSO COME UP IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE OKAY WAS IN THE PAST WE USED TO HAVE BANNERS GOING ACROSS FOR FESTIVALS AND ETCETERA.
IS THAT STILL ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED? YOU KNOW, LIKE BANNERS FOR OKTOBERFEST OR.
NO, THAT WAS DISCONTINUED. THAT WAS DISCONTINUED.
OKAY. SO YEAH, I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE HOW THEY'VE DONE THE TREES ON 25TH STREET.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW. YEAH, THEY LOOK REALLY, REALLY GREAT.
THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A SOURCE OF CIVIC PRIDE. YEAH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S HERE'S SOME, SOME IDEAS, YOU KNOW.
YEAH. SOMETHING SIMPLE AND COST EFFECTIVE. IT'S BACK TO THAT UNIVERSAL PROBLEM.
WE GOT TO FIND THE MONEY. WELL, THAT'S ALWAYS AND, YOU KNOW, JOHN HAD THE BEST IDEA WHEN WE SPENT THE TIME ON THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE A CELEBRATE BROADWAY WHATEVER.
WHO DOES THAT? I DON'T KNOW. WE DID. WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON THAT.
AND I WILL TELL YOU OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, BECAUSE I TOOK THAT TO CITY COUNCIL IN A WORKSHOP AND IT WAS VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED. I MEAN, THEY WERE THEY WERE THEY WERE ALMOST GIDDY THAT WE DID SOMETHING AND SOMETHING WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE EXPANDED THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT STUFF BEYOND WHAT WE DID? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET THERE, ANTHONY, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, JOHN, MY KUDOS.
THAT WAS THE BEST IDEA EVER. IT'S LIKE, THAT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.
JUST SOMEBODY JUST HAS TO GET OUT AND BEAT THE DRUM.
WELL, THE FLAGS WERE $38,000. OH, WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID, I THINK IT WAS TEN PER ESPLANADE, FIVE ON EACH SIDE. OH, WOW, SO.
MIC] YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTRY SIGN.
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YOU KNOW? OH, YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE A HOT TAX ITEM, AND AND THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY CONFLICTING ITEM RIGHT NOW.I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
YEAH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. IF IT'S ELIGIBLE, THAT WOULD BE IDEAL.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S IT'S RIGHT UNDER ONE OF THE SEVEN PILLARS.
SO IT HAS TO BE ONE SEVEN PILLARS. ALL RIGHT, SO I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON THE BROADWAY TOPIC.
SO I REMEMBER IN THE COMP PLAN, THE CURRENT ONE, THERE WAS A MECHANISM THAT GETS MENTIONED BASICALLY TO I THINK IT'S LIKE CHANGE SOME LAND USE ALONG BROADWAY AND THEN KIND OF REQUIRE BUSINESSES TO CONFORM OVER, SAY, A TEN YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT'S CALLED? YES. I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR IT.
I COULDN'T FIND IT. OH, THERE WAS SOME TALK OF AMORTIZATION.
YES, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YEAH, YEAH. AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE'VE EVER TALKED ABOUT, THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME, IT'S GENERALLY NOT VERY WELL RECEIVED, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE LAND USE, BECAUSE THAT'S A REALLY BIG INVESTMENT, LIKE A FENCE OR A SIGN.
YEAH. IT HASN'T GONE VERY FAR. GOTCHA. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO KIND OF WRAP THINGS UP WHERE I SEE WHERE WE ARE IS WORKSHOPPING THIS ALLEY ACCESS STUFF. SO EVERYBODY ON THE PAGE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE DEAL IS YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE IF YOU CAN'T WORK ON THAT.
JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR US. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE, IT COMES BACK TO US, BUT REALLY THE STUFF THAT WE COULD WORKSHOP AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME STUFF, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN DO SOME WORK THOUGH BEFORE WE SEND SOMETHING YOUR DIRECTION.
SO FOR THE HARDENING, YOU KNOW, HARDENING OF THE BEACH SCAPE.
I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO OUR GROUNDWORK BEFORE BEFOREHAND.
AND I THINK SOME DIRECTION FROM, FROM TIM AND COMPANY AS FAR AS SOME SUGGESTIONS ON ALLEYWAY WIDTH AND SOME IDEAS ON THAT TO KIND OF HELP GIVE US SOME DIRECTION THAT WE CAN STAND BEHIND WOULD BE GREAT.
AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL ONCE WE'VE KIND OF PUT OUR BLESSING ON IT.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT WE CAN DO BEFORE WE MOVE.
ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? YEAH. YOU WANT TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT YOUR POLICY.
THEY'RE REALLY I THINK THEY'RE REALLY HARD FOR US TO KIND OF IMPLEMENT AS, AS AS THIS BODY.
I MEAN, WE WORK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, AND A LOT OF THOSE TOPICS ARE GOOD FOR US TO DISCUSS, BUT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THEIR STUFF. DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T CIRCLE BACK AROUND TO IT WHEN TIME PERMITS OR WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING CHANGED SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS THIS HAS GONE ON A LOT LONGER THAN I THOUGHT IT WOULD, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS PRODUCTIVE.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME DIRECTION AND APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND LISTEN TO US.
YEAH. I'M GLAD WE COULD HAVE YOU ALL TWO HOURS, BUT YOU KNOW.
THERE IS SOMETHING I THOUGHT EVENTUALLY WE WERE NOT TODAY.
IT'S NOT UNTIL THE SUMMERTIME. OKAY. BUT WE ARE, CITY COUNCIL PASSED SOME KIND OF SOMETHING ON TO US YOU SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. I'LL HAVE TO GET SOME UPDATES ON THAT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT.
MAYBE THEY. YEAH, IT WAS A FEE THING. YEAH, AN IMPACT FEE THING.
YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS COMING FROM PUBLIC WORKS THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE THE BODY. ONE LAST THING.
ANY UPDATES WHERE YOU THINK, BECAUSE HERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMING OUR WAY IS COMP PLAN STUFF, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WORKSHOP THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.
SO ANY ANY UPDATES ON I KNOW Y'ALL. YEAH I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ONE.
WE WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT STAFF HAS REVIEWED AND IS RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL FOR FOR, YOU KNOW OKAY. THERE THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR
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THIS EFFORT AND ALSO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE NECESSARILY AS DEEP AS WHAT HAPPENED IN 2011, WHERE WE SPENT $1.2 MILLION VERSUS THE 300,000 THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THIS EFFORT.SO THAT MAY GET REVISITED IF, IF COUNCIL SO DEEMS IN ONE OF TWO WAYS. ONE THAT THEY WOULD ADOPT.
WHAT, WHAT THE CONSULTANT IS SUGGESTING AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE HAVE AN RFP. AND, YOU KNOW, IF ADDITIONS, ADDITIONAL ITEMS ARE NECESSARY FOR A SORT OF EXPANDED ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT CAN BE DONE WITH CHANGE ORDER UP TO 25%.
IF IT WERE TO BE MORE THAN THAT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE SOME TIME FRAMES THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN IN THE GRANT THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR THIS. AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THAT'S ALLOCATED TO IT.
FORGET MY POINT THERE. ANYHOW, THAT'S COMING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR FOR A REVIEW.
AND IF, IF IN FACT, THEY WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT 25% THEN IT WOULD, IT WOULD NEED TO BE FULLY GONE OUT FOR AN RFP SO WE'LL KNOW IN MARCH HOW COUNCIL FEELS AS A WHOLE.
BEYOND THAT THERE WILL BE AN ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT DOES INVOLVE YOU GUYS.
YEAH. I'M SHAKING. I'M SHAKING MY HEAD. NO, THAT'S YOU'RE YEAH THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A I'M VERSION OF THIS, WHICH IS YEAH, WELL, AND YOU GOT TO HAVE IT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE A YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO WEIGH IN ON YOUR CONCERNS.
COUNCIL'S GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT THERE WILL BE A SERIES OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WORKSHOPS, QUARTERLY TOWN HALL THERE'LL BE A WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED FOR PEOPLE TO INPUT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH IT.
IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A FULL, COMPREHENSIVE PROCESS, JUST NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR SO THAT'S COMING UP. WE WHEN DO YOU THINK WE WOULD SEE THAT HERE? BUT WE WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WOULD COME THAT WOULD SHOW UP ON OUR AGENDA.
OKAY. YEAH. SUMMER. GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE GRANT SOURCE THAT WE'RE USING THE GLO IS THAT AN RFI WENT OUT FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S APPLIED, WE ARE ONE OF THOSE GROUPS.
WE'RE WE'RE RESPONDING TO THAT RFI AND THE GLO SAID IT'LL BE ABOUT PROBABLY 3 TO 4 MONTHS AFTER THAT RFI BEFORE THE GLO ENGAGES WITH US IN A CONTRACT. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE AROUND JUNE FOR THAT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A KICKOFF, I WOULD IMAGINE, PROBABLY IN JULY, AND THAT'S WHEN THINGS WOULD START. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU GUYS PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET INVOLVED UNTIL AUGUST.
AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COMP PLAN STUFF AT THE SAME TIME, SO THAT THAT'S REALLY MY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO IT'S SUBJECT TO THEIR AWARD. WE CAN'T REALLY ENGAGE UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.
I GOT YOU IN THE POP UPS IS GOING TO BE AT HEARSAY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH. HEY. ALL RIGHT HEY THANKS, TIM, I APPRECIATE THAT.
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IS THERE ANY OTHER ANY OTHER BUSINESS? ALL RIGHT, THEN, WE'LL BE ADJOURNED.THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.