[00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. [1. Call Meeting To Order] THE TIME IS 9:00. WELCOME TO GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. TODAY IS MARCH 4TH. WE HAVE TAKEN ATTENDANCE, AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT FOR THE MEETING BY SIGN IN. ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY? NO. SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON. THIS IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. DOES ANYONE WANT TO COME FORWARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON A NON-AGENDA ITEM? THERE WILL BE A CHANCE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA ITEMS, BUT THIS IS OPEN FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. NOPE. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. LET'S SEE. [4. Approval Of Minutes A. February 18, 2025– Regular Meeting] WE DO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. OKAY. FIRST THING WE HAVE IS OUR APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 18TH. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? DO WE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS FOR THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 18TH. NO. SEEING NONE. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. WE MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. [6.A.1. 25BF-002 (801 East Beach Drive) Notice Of Mitigation For Disturbance Of Dunes And Dune Vegetation. Property Is Legally Described As Abstract 628 M Menard Survey Lot 3 (5-0) Palisade Palms Replat (2008), A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Richard G. Anderson Property Owner: Palisade Palms Master Assoc / East Beach Project Phase 1] THE FIRST ITEM WE HAVE IS DUNE MITIGATION ITEM 25PB-002 . GOOD MORNING. HAPPY MARDI GRAS PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 235 FOOT LONG EXTENSION TO AN EXISTING DUNE WALKOVER AND THE REMOVAL OF A PORTION OF THE EXISTING DUNE WALKOVER. THE ADDRESS IS 801 EAST BEACH DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 628 M MENARDS SURVEY LOT 3 (5-0) PALISADES PALMS, REPLAT 2008, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS. OPEN SPACE IS NORTHEAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ACCRETING AT A RATE OF FOUR FEET PER YEAR. STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING. FIRST, WE HAVE THE FIRM AND BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND ITS POSITION RELATIVE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. ON THE NEX T SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY SHOWING THE ELEVATION DATA. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY SHOWING CONTOUR LINES. ON THE NEXT TWO SLIDES WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT DRAWING SUMMARIZE SCOPE OF WORK AND MITIGATION LAYOUT. NEXT WE HAVE FOUR PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTH AND SOUTH FROM DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. FINALLY, WE HAVE THREE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING WALKOVER PORTION TO BE REMOVED. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. NO ACTION BY THE P LANNING COMMISSION FOR THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND, CHAIRWOMAN, JUST FOR ME, I MAY HAVE MISHEARD. BUT THIS IS CASE 25BF-002 81 EAST BEACH DRIVE. I JUST THOUGHT I HEARD THIS QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION, BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION. BUT YOU EXPLAINED TO ME, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY WE'RE NOT DOING A BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION? WE ARE. WE ARE DOING A BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE. IT'S AT GLO RIGHT NOW. NORMALLY WE DO THESE AFTER WE RECEIVE COMMENTS FOR THE MITIGATION, BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR WHEN WE DO THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT'S NOT AFTER WE RECEIVE THE, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS FROM GLO. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED US TO, YOU KNOW, DO THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES OUT THERE WALKING THROUGH DUNE AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEY ACTUALLY DID HAVE SOMEBODY GET BIT BY A RATTLESNAKE, I BELIEVE IN 2023. SO NORMALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE GET TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE GLO, AND THEN WE PUT IT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THAT ADDS SOME TIME. AND SO JUST SO AS SOON AS WE GET THE COMMENTS FROM GLO, SINCE WE'VE HAD THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE, AND HE CAN GET STARTED OUT THERE QUICK. AND THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR WALKOVERS, PUBLIC WALKOVERS OUTLINED IN OUR BEACH ACCESS PLAN. SO IT JUST DOESN'T SERVE THE CONDOMINIUMS, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ONE FOR THE PUBLIC WALKOVERS. SO THAT'S WHY WE DID IT THIS WAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS FOR STAFF OR QUESTIONS. ON THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN WHERE IT SHOWS THE SILK FENCING THAT WAS ADDED AT THE END OF THE WALK OVER THE [00:05:06] BLACK SILK FENCING. YES, SIR. I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT ON THE NEW PLANS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ADD AT THEIR DISCRETION, DEPENDING UPON THE SAND INFILTRATION THAT COMES IN ON THE WALKOVER? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT. WELL, WE CAN TALK. WE YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF TALK ABOUT IT. AND IF WE CAN KIND OF ADD ALLOW HIM TO DO IT. BUT THAT'S WHY HE'S IF [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PLANS, KIND OF GO BACK TO THE GO BACK SOME MORE. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT HE'S BASICALLY TAKING IT STRAIGHT OUT, AND HE'S MOVING IT FAR ENOUGH OUT THAT THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR THE MIGRATION OF THE DUNES. SO HE'S NOT HAVING TO COME BACK AND RE YOU KNOW, DO THIS. SO THAT'S WHY HE'S TAKING THAT LITTLE KIND OF DOGLEG DOWN THERE. THAT'S THE EXISTING ONE. THAT'S WHY HE'S TAKING IT FARTHER OUT AND HE'S ANTICIPATING IT. THE ACTUAL DUNE MOVING. SO WE'RE NOT. SO HE WON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT ISSUE AGAIN OF HAVING TO PUT UP SAND FENCING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO KEEP IT OFF OF THE WALKOVER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE CONCLUDING THIS ITEM. OFFICIALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM OR HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS EITHER SIDE? NO. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. AND GOOD MORNING. SORRY FOR MY TARDINESS. IT IS MARDI GRAS. I'M GOING TO USE THAT AS MY EXCUSE. ALRIGHT. MOVING FORWARD TO NEW BUSINESS 24BF [7.A.1. 24BF-137 (11395 Beachside Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit To Include Proposed Construction Of A Large-Scale Single-Family Residence With Unreinforced Fibercrete For Driveway And Slab. Property Is Legally Described As Beachside Village Section 4 (2016) Abstract 121, Lot 430, Acres 0.3488, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Dana Lee – Egret Bay Builders, LLC Property Owner: Ignacio And Camila Cubero] -137. GOOD MORNING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A LARGE SCALE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH UNREINFORCED FIBERCRETE FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND SLABS. THE ADDRESS IS 11395 BEACHSIDE DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEACHSIDE VILLAGE SECTION 4, 2016. ABSTRACT 121, LOT 430 ACRES 0.3488 A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS, THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE BEACHSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION. SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ERODING AT A RATE OF EIGHT FEET PER YEAR. STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING. FIRST, WE HAVE A FIRM AND BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND ITS POSITIONS RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY. THE DISTANCE FROM THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE IS 26FT, AND THE LINE OF VEGETATION AND DISTANCE FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION IS 78.74FT. ON THE FOLLOWING FIVE SLIDES, WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT DRAWINGS AS WELL AS THE SUMMARIZED SCOPE OF WORK. FINALLY, WE HAVE FOUR PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING WEST, AND THEN TWO PHOTOS SHOWING DIFFERENT LINES OF VEGETATION. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF REPORTS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU KYLE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? GOOD MORNING. I'M THE APPLICANT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIGN IN FOR US. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT OFF PRETTY EASY TODAY. WELL THAT'S GOOD. I THANK YOU. WE'LL BRING THIS. ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? SINCE THERE'S NOBODY HERE, I'M GOING TO SAY NONE. WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 24BF-137 WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND A SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. SO 24BF- 137 IS APPROVED. MOVING ON TO 25ZA- [7.B.1. 25ZA-001 Request For A Text Amendment To The Galveston Land Development Regulations, Article 13: Permits And Procedures To Establish A Fee For Galveston Landmark Designation And Replacement Galveston Landmark Plaques. Applicant: Development Services Department] 001. THIS IS A TEXT AMENDMENT. IT IS TO ESTABLISH A FEE FOR GALVESTON LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND FOR REPLACEMENT GALVESTON LANDMARK PLAQUES. [00:10:08] THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT IS RESEARCHING SUPPLIERS FOR GALVESTON LANDMARK PLAQUES AS OUR CURRENT INVENTORY IS LOW. THESE PLAQUES ARE AWARDED TO PROPERTY OWNERS UPON THE DESIGNATION OF A BUILDING AS A GALVESTON LANDMARK, AND ARE INTENDED TO BE DISPLAYED ON THE BUILDING. THE EXISTING PLAQUES, WHICH ARE DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN, ARE EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER, MADE OF RESIN, AND FEATURE THE CITY SEAL ALONG WITH THE WORDS GALVESTON LANDMARK. STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED A MANUFACTURER TO PRODUCE NEW PLAQUES, WHICH WILL RETAIN THE SAME DESIGN, BUT BE UPGRADED FROM RESIN TO ALUMINUM FOR IMPROVED DURABILITY. TO OFFSET PRODUCTION COSTS STAFF IS PROPOSING A NEW $100 FEE FOR GALVESTON LANDMARK DESIGNATION, AS WELL AS A FEE FOR REPLACEMENT PLAQUES. SINCE THE NEW PLAQUES WILL BE OF A HIGHER QUALITY MATERIAL, WE ANTICIPATE THAT SOME OWNERS OF PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED LANDMARKS MAY CHOOSE TO REPLACE THE RESIN PLAQUES WITH A NEW ALUMINUM VERSION. WE PLAN TO ORDER 100 PLAQUES, WHICH WE ESTIMATE WILL LAST US MORE THAN A DECADE. THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS REQUEST AT THEIR MEETING YESTERDAY AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. CITY COUNCIL IS THE FINAL DECISION AUTHORITY ON TEXT AMENDMENTS AND WILL REVIEW THIS REQUEST AT THEIR MARCH 27TH MEETING. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THANK YOU CATHERINE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUICK ONE. OH. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. NO. GO AHEAD. IS THERE IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THOSE THAT A PLAQUE BE DISPLAYED? NO. AND SOME PEOPLE ACTUALLY DON'T DISPLAY IT. THEY MIGHT JUST KEEP IT INSIDE OF THEIR HOUSE. OKAY. TO HONOR THE HOUSE. SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAD. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE THING. SO WE'VE GOT THE GALVESTON LANDMARK DESIGNATION THAT'S FOR THE ACTUAL Y'ALL DETERMINING THAT'S A LANDMARK OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. AND THEN THE LANDMARK DOWN HERE, NEW CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION. WHAT ARE THOSE FOR? SO THOSE ARE FEES FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW. OKAY. THE JUST A REGULAR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH IS JUST EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, DOESN'T HAVE A FEE. OKAY, THAT'S THE BULK OF THE COMMISSION'S WORK. GOTCHA. THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT HAVE A FEE ARE IF THEY'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE HAVE TO DO GREATER NOTIFICATION AREA FOR THAT. AND THEN DEMOLITION IS A $500 FEE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, PLEASE. CATHERINE, CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF HOW THIS CAME ABOUT? I MEAN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT NINE REQUESTS ON AVERAGE PER YEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE A PETTY THING FOR THE CITY TO BE ASKING FOR AN EXTRA 100 BUCKS FROM PEOPLE WHO PUT THAT MUCH MONEY INTO THEIR HOMES. [LAUGHTER] IT JUST CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA. TRADITIONALLY, WE HAVE NOT HAD A FEE FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS. WHEN I GOT HERE, WE HAD THE PLAQUES ALREADY OR INHERITED THE PLAQUES. AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR CITIES TO CHARGE THAT A FEE FOR A DESIGNATION, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING A PHYSICAL OBJECT ALONG WITH THE DESIGNATION ITSELF. AND HOW MUCH. BUT I GUESS I'M MORE CURIOUS. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OR IS THIS JUST SOMETHING THAT STAFF SAT AROUND AND SAID, HEY, I THINK WE SHOULD CHARGE 100 BUCKS FOR THIS. I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT SEEMS SUCH AN ODD THING TO LOOK AT. IF THERE'S ONLY ON AVERAGE, 9 REQUESTS A YEAR. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A COUPLE IN THE LAST YEAR AND PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MONEY TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTIES. IT'S 100 BUCKS, RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T HAVE A SOURCE FOR THIS FUNDING FOR PLAQUES. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO COST US $10,000 TO BUY THE PLAQUES. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT POT OF MONEY. SO WE NEED TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITY AND REPLACE THAT MONEY. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY APPLICATION HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY STAFF SO THAT'S STAFF'S TIME AND THEIR REVIEW. AND SO SINCE THE PLAQUES ARE ALREADY IN HAND, THERE WASN'T NECESSARILY A NEED TO CHARGE FOR THAT. BUT EVERY BUDGET YEAR, EVERY ITEM HAS TO HAVE A COST AND A FUNDING SOURCE ATTACHED TO IT. AND IF THERE ISN'T A FUNDING SOURCE ATTACHED TO IT, YOU CANNOT GET IT. SO IT'S EASY TO SAY IT'S ONLY $100, BUT WHEN YOU SAY NO, IT'S REALLY $10,000. THAT'S DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOMEBODY'S BUDGET AND THE LANDMARK OR THE HISTORICAL. WHAT IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR TRUE FULL TITLE? HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. MAY NOT HAVE A $10,000 BUDGET THAT SHE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, BLOW AWAY OR JUST SAY, YEAH, I'M JUST GOING TO ORDER 100 PLAQUES SO. WE DON'T HAVE IT. I HEAR YOU COMPLETELY. AND AS AN OWNER OF A HISTORICAL PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORS THAT I TALKED TO, THE CITY HAS A WONDERFUL REPUTATION OF NICKEL AND DIMING PEOPLE ON ALL KINDS OF LITTLE THINGS. SO IS THERE A WAY THAT IS THIS THE ACTUAL COST OF THE PLAQUE, OR IS THE PLAQUE LIKE 20 BUCKS. THERE'S A $99.99. IT'S $99. OKAY. AND THAT ACTUALLY IS JUST THE COST OF THE PLAQUE. WE WILL BE ABSORBING THE COST OF THE SHIPPING. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE GOING FROM A $20 PLASTIC PLAQUE TO SOMETHING THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE [00:15:06] PERMANENT. YEAH, IT'S HIGHER QUALITY FOR SURE. IT'S THE SAME MANUFACTURER THAT MAKES THE GALVESTON HISTORICAL FOUNDATION PLAQUES. SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR 1900 STORM SURVIVOR PLAQUES, IT'S THE SAME GOING TO BE THAT SAME QUALITY, RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. TOM. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IT ALSO TAKES STAFF TIME, WHICH OBVIOUSLY COSTS US MONEY. AND AS SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T OWN A HISTORICAL PROPERTY YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE RECOUPING THE COSTS THAT WE CAN WHEN WE CAN FOR THESE SORT OF EXTRAS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING AS A CITY. SO THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE'LL OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING. ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? THEY'RE STILL AT MARDI GRAS TOO. [LAUGHTER] SO WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. LET ME GET THE RIGHT NUMBER 25ZA-001. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. 2 5ZA-001 AS PRESENTED. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THAT'S APPROVED. MOVING ON. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. [8.A. Discussion Of Topics For The March 18, 2025, Planning Commission Workshop (Staff)] SO YOU GOT SOMETHING FOR US HERE. JUST YOU KNOW, WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING A WORKSHOP ON THE 18TH. EXCUSE ME. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL OF THE TOPICS ON OUR LIST THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AT THAT WORKSHOP. SO THIS ISN'T WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THESE ITEMS. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING. SO WHAT I HAD ON MY LIST WAS ALLEY ACCESS LOTS. AND THEN RUSTY REMINDED ME OF HARDENING BEACHFRONT DUNES, SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT WITH COASTAL. PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, GENERALLY TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS AND PERHAPS SOME LIMITATIONS ON THAT. AND THEN ANOTHER TOPIC WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO OUR OUR DISCUSSION IS, IS IF THERE IS AN THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK, AT LEAST FOR ME, IS THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH OUR LIST. WE'LL HAVE OUR WORKSHOP. AND I THINK THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS AT THE WORKSHOP IS WE OBVIOUSLY AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THEM, SO WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE FROM THE LIST TO KIND OF ZERO IN ON WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO FOCUS ON. IS THAT WOULD THAT BE A GOOD ASSESSMENT? I ACTUALLY THINK THE ORDER HAS TO BE DEPENDENT ON OUR EX-OFFICIO. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO HEAR FROM MY EX-OFFICIAL IF HE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON EITHER WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED, OR IF HE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT HE WANTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OR HE COULD PICK AND CHOOSE FROM OUR LIST. ON WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED. TODAY. W OULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO DO? OH, I GUESS WE WOULD WANT TO TRY AND DO THAT TODAY SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP STAFF CAN DO THE GREAT JOB THAT THEY ALWAYS DO AND HAVE SOME STUFF FOR US. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA. BEFORE WE DO THAT CAN WE ADD TO THE LIST? CERTAINLY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ITEM ON THE LICENSE TO USE AND THE FEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WHICH WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE THOSE FEES, BUT I KNOW THERE'S INFORMATION IN THERE THAT TELLS US HOW THEY'RE CALCULATED. BUT I WOULD LIKE A REVIEW OF THAT. BEAU, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? I THINK THAT WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING IS GREAT. I KNOW THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING FROM THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. SO LIKE IF CITY COUNCIL HAS ITEMS THAT THEY ALSO TOO WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS, I WOULD PLAN ON THAT AS WELL. SO IT WON'T JUST BE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMES UP WITH IT. EXACTLY. AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION WORKS AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL . SO THIS HOW THIS KIND OF STARTED WAS THESE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT WE'VE KICKED AROUND MORE THAN ONCE HERE. AND SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF A SHORT LIST, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT I'VE ASKED SENT TO CATHERINE. IT WOULD BE KIND OF A SHORT LIST OF, HEY, THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP MORE THAN ONCE. DO YOU GUYS WANT US TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S COUNCIL DIRECTING US WHAT TO DO. IS THAT CORRECT, DONNA? YES. I MEAN, IT CAN WORK THAT WAY. ABSOLUTELY. AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS FROM CITY COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO DIRECT YOU. PERFECT. AND SO I'M CONFUSED. SO THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE GOING TO WORKSHOP THESE ITEMS. ARE WE WAITING FOR THE FULL TOPICS TO BE HONED IN ON NOW. OR ARE WE GOING TO TRY AND HONE IN ON THOSE TOPICS AT THE NEXT MEETING? [00:20:05] THE WORKSHOP. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE TOPICS SO THAT WOULD GIVE COUNCIL TIME SO THIS CAN GO BACK THROUGH. JANELLE LIKE ONCE Y'ALL SAID, OKAY, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS. OKAY. JANELLE WILL SEND THAT OUT IN AN EMAIL. BASICALLY PRESENTING THIS IS LIKE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AT WORKSHOP, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT CERTAIN COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO ADD. AND THEN IT'LL GO OUT AS A FINAL AGENDA FOR THE WORKSHOP AT THAT POINT. PERFECT. I DON'T I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS ONE THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE HERE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION OVER. BASICALLY HOW COMPLIANCE IS ISSUED. YOU KNOW, AS IT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE CITY MARSHAL IS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS PERMITTING GOES AND WHO IS YOU KNOW, I WASN'T SURE IF THAT WOULD GO THROUGH US AS FAR AS, LIKE THE. SHE'S SHAKING HER HEAD NO. SO I DON'T THINK SO. WE DON'T DEAL WITH. RIGHT. THE COMMISSION DOESN'T DEAL WITH COMPLIANCE. OKAY. SO AS FAR AS PERMITTING FOLLOWING UP ON PERMITTING SCHEDULES OF PERMITS, THAT'S NOT ? THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER TOPIC WITH ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR WITH TIM. OKAY. AND THEN HOW ABOUT THE FEES FOR WATER AND SEWER SUPPLY THAT GO THROUGH PERMITTING. SO SO THIS BOARD DOESN'T NECESSARILY DEAL WITH I KNOW WE DID THE FEE FOR THE PLAQUE, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY DEAL WITH FEES SUCH AS THOSE. THOSE ARE THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES. AND OR IF THEY'RE ASSOCIATED WITH BUILDING THINGS, BUILDING PERMITS AND SUCH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS. OKAY. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT BOARD FOR THAT. I KNOW I'VE HEARD AT CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE ALSO INTERESTED IN PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS. THOSE ISSUES THAT HAVE ARISEN, WHY WE'RE DOING THEM, ETC. AND VARIANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH PUDS. THAT'S ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, SO THAT WE COULD JUST HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION OF IT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE ODDLY ENOUGH, WE DON'T DEAL WITH COMPLIANCE, BUT WE DO WE KIND OF INTERPRET THE RULES WOULD PROBABLY BE IN REGARDS TO DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S I CAN SEE WHERE THE TWO. I DON'T THINK THAT WE DEAL WITH THAT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE DO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THE RULE, NOT INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OR THE OR THE ENFORCEMENT OR COMPLIANCE. THAT'S KIND OF YEAH, THAT'S A I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THAT. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. NOW, I KNOW I'VE SEEN TOM'S HAND RAISED A COUPLE OF TIMES, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE LIST OR. WELL, YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION AND MAYBE, MAYBE KIND OF NESTS UNDER ONE OF THESE, BUT SO WHEN WE SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AT THE WORKSHOP PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS. WHAT ARE WE DISCUSSING? ARE Y'ALL GOING TO BE BRINGING LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SUGGESTION TO US OR IS THERE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICS THAT WE SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR, OR. I'M GOING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO ANSWER THAT AND THEN LET THIS. SO WE'VE HAD AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE HERE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE PUDS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S A TOOL IN THE TOOL BOX. WE CANNOT ELIMINATE THEM. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS AND IT'S A CHANCE FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO ASK FOR VARIANCES. IT'S A PROCESS WHERE THEY CAN ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO A RULE THAT'S IN THE WRS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE HAD MORE THAN ONE INSTANCE WHERE THE REQUEST IS NOT FOR 1 OR 2 VARIANCES, BUT TEN OR MORE. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT GETS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED. AND I ONLY PUT THAT ON THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN FIX THAT. AND I DON'T EVEN, I KNOW OUR PROBLEM WAS IN THE PAST IS WHEN THAT HAPPENED. THAT'S NOT THE TIME TO GO DISCUSS IT UNFORTUNATELY. BUT IT HAPPENS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A BIG CAN OF WORMS. I THREW THAT OUT THERE AND CATHERINE TOOK THE BAIT, BUT WE COULD WORKSHOP THAT FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE PROBLEM. WHAT ARE SOLUTIONS? THAT'S WHAT WILL BE ASKED OF US AT THE WORKSHOP. YES, ON THAT ONE. OKAY. AND I DON'T THINK YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE DID SOME OF THOSE. WELL, I'M NOT TO PICK ON ANYONE, BUT WE HAD A HIGH RISE THAT WAS A LARGE CONDOMINIUM PROJECT THAT CAME TO US THAT HAD 13 [00:25:07] DEVIATIONS. AND IT'S JUST COMPLICATED WHEN THAT HAPPENS. THE PROBLEM IS, AND WE'RE KIND OF DISCUSSING THIS NOW, IT WE CAN'T JUST THROW IT AWAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO. SO THAT'S. WE'LL USE THE WORKSHOP AS A TIME FOR EDUCATION. I JUST WANTED TO BE PREPARED. YEAH. LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL PROBLEMS AND POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING, LIKE SOME KIND OF POLICY STATEMENT THAT WE CAN SEND TO THE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THEY AGREE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S AND THAT IS A GOOD POINT, IS THAT WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE DEALING WITH IT. AND SOMETIMES IT GOES OVER TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE'RE OVER HERE DEALING WITH IT AND GOING, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THIS. RIGHT. SO AND THEN THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION. SO AND THEN I DID HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND MAYBE THIS IS FOR THIS WORKSHOP, MAYBE IT'S FOR A FUTURE ONE. BUT WATER DETENTION REQUIREMENTS, I WASN'T SURE ONE HOW THAT KIND OF IMPACTS OUR COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM SCORE. AND THEN I COULDN'T REALLY FIND ANYTHING ON THAT. BUT I KNOW IT'S BEEN A BIG HINDRANCE TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECTS. AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY LEEWAY TO LOOK AT CHANGING THOSE THINGS OR, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTING THEM. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT CONSIDER. THAT WAS AN EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AT OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL . THERE WAS ACTUALLY SIX NAMED VERY IMPORTANT THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT BUSINESSES TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO BE HERE BECAUSE OF THAT REQUIREMENT, INCLUDING BEING IN ASSOCIATION WITH PUD, WITH TIRZ, WITH, YOU KNOW, FINDING WAYS TO HAVE SOLUTIONS. I THINK THAT THAT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT WORKSHOP TO BE EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED. SO MAYBE LET'S SEE HOW WE WORK THINGS OUT THERE ON THAT ONE. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN BACKDOOR ON ONE WHAT GETS DISCUSSED THERE. BUT IT'S A VERY BIG TOPIC WITHIN CITY COUNCIL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS BONUS ZONING. SO THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT A LOT OF CITIES USE TO FOSTER THINGS LIKE WORKFORCE HOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, JUST BENEFICIAL DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL. I THINK IT. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE IDEA IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE WITHIN THE REGULATIONS. BUT WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU DO THIS THING THAT WE DO WANT TO SEE. IN AUSTIN, THEY USE IT A LOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARILY THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO HERE, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S A TOOL IN A TOOLBOX THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO EXPLORE. AND TOM SENT ME SOME INFORMATION ON BONUS ZONING SO I CAN SEND THAT OUT TO THE COMMISSION. GET A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON IT. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHAT I GOT, SO THANKS. THANKS. TOM. YES, ANTHONY. I WOULD LIKE US TO ADD BROADWAY BEAUTIFICATION. THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD SENT US THAT INFORMATION, AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS ABOUT IT, AND I THINK WE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN IT KIND OF JUST FELL FLAT. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THE COUNCIL, FOR CITY COUNCIL , THE CURRENT CITY COUNCIL . SO IF WE COULD ADD THE BROADWAY BEAUTIFICATION. AND I ALSO WANT TO SECOND THE THING ABOUT ZONING, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT. WE'VE BUMPED UP AGAINST ISSUES WITH ZONING AND REQUESTS FOR BUSINESSES HERE RECENTLY. AND THEN REGARDING THE PUD, IF CATHERINE OR DONNA, IF YOU COULD BRING TO THE MEETING, THE WORKSHOP, ANY INFORMATION THAT WILL GUIDE US AROUND, IF THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR ONE OF OUR TOPICS THAT WILL GUIDE US AROUND HOW WE'RE CONSTRAINED OR BOUND BY CURRENT CITY REGULATIONS OR OTHER LAWS AROUND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH PUDS, LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN MAKE FOR CHANGES TO THE PUD SYSTEM AS IT EXISTS. ARE WE BOUND BY SOMETHING IS THE CITY BOUND BY SOMETHING IN CURRENT REGULATION OR LAW? YEAH, SURE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. AND THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? I WILL ALSO MAKE JUST ONE OTHER COMMENT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY KIND OF GOOD, IS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GETTING UNDERWAY FOR REVIEW. SO I BELIEVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE BUSIER IN THE FUTURE. ONCE THE STEERING COMMITTEE GETS UNDERWAY AND THINGS START MOVING. SO THIS PLANNING COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE A PART OF REVIEWING THE WHAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, NOT THE RESULTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF REVIEWING THE THANK YOU RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY COME FORTH. SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE ON THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN WE MIGHT WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. [00:30:05] SO I BELIEVE AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THEY'RE GOING TO AWARD, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY ANY CONTRACT NAMES OR ANYTHING. RIGHT. SO THAT YEAH, THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS HAVE BEEN ARE BEING REVIEWED. WE'VE ALL DONE EACH OF OUR ASSIGNMENTS TO WHO, WHO FOR OUR REPRESENTATIVES THAT WE'VE PLACED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW COMMITTEE LAST LAST WEEK, LAST THURSDAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE SCHEDULE KIND OF LOOKED TO BE ABOUT TO START IN 2 TO 3 MONTHS ROUGHLY. I THINK IT SAID IT LOOKED LIKE THEY START TOWARDS THE END OF JUNE. JULY IS WHAT FIRST MEETING IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. BUT WE CAN MAKE SURE JUST SO WE CAN ALL KEEP UP ON THAT AS WELL, TO COMMUNICATE THAT BACK OVER AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE TO EXPECT. BUT AGAIN, WE JUST NEED THE ASSIGNMENTS LAST THURSDAY. SO NOW THEY'RE JUST KIND OF STARTING TO PUT TOGETHER A SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS AND ALSO GET THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S GOING TO BE HAVING THE OVERSIGHT ON BOARD. VERY GOOD. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR WHERE OUR WORKSHOP, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR LAUNDRY LIST AND MAYBE ADD SOME COMMENTS TO IT. AND THAT LIST WOULD BE SENT TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW OR INPUT OR ADDITIONS TOO. AND WE WOULD WORK FROM THERE BECAUSE WE NEED THEIR DIRECTIVE TO WORK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS, THEY MAY NOT LIKE ANY OF THE THINGS ON OUR LIST. SO THAT'S ALSO A POSSIBILITY. SO BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION, RUSTY. YES, MA'AM. SO WHEN ANTHONY JUST TALKED ABOUT THE BROADWAY BEAUTIFICATION, HOW DID THAT END UP ON OUR LIST OF ITEMS IN THE PAST? I DON'T REMEMBER HOW THAT WAS. IT WAS A DIRECTIVE THAT CAME FROM COUNCIL DIRECTLY, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW IT TYPICALLY WOULD WORK. THAT'S WHY THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, IS THAT TYPICALLY COUNCIL SAYS, HEY, WE OUGHT TO HAVE OUR PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND REPORT BACK TO US. WE'RE KIND OF BEING A LITTLE PROACTIVE IN GOING, HEY, HERE'S SOME ITEMS ON OUR LAUNDRY LIST. CAN YOU PICK ONE OF THESE? WE THINK SOME OF THIS WARRANTS SOME WORK ON IT. SO THE BROADWAY DEAL, THEY SENT THAT DIRECTIVE TO US. OKAY. AND THE REASON WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE I WAS THINKING IF WE DID, WE TALKED ABOUT THE BROADWAY DEAL. I WONDER WHY WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT HARBORSIDE. BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEAUTIFICATION WOW. MAYBE WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER TALKING ABOUT HARBORSIDE AS WELL. THAT LIST IS GETTING LONG. ON THE LIST? YES. ALL RIGHT. I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WORKFORCE HOUSING, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT? I'LL LET TOM. TOM HAD MENTIONED THAT TO ME, AND HIS EXPERTISE ON THAT IS MUCH GREATER THAN MINE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CALL IT EXPERTISE, BUT I THINK BONUS ZONING WOULD KIND OF FALL UNDER THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES WITH REDEVELOPMENT AND OR URBAN INFILL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DETENTION REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PROJECT ON JONES DRIVE, FOR INSTANCE, THAT FELL THROUGH BECAUSE OF SOME OF THESE. SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DECREASING SOME OF THE BURDEN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY BUILD HOUSING THAT WOULD KIND OF FIT WITHIN THAT, INCOME RANGE. AND I DO KNOW, ARE YOU INVOLVED IN ANY OF THOSE COMMITTEES WHERE THESE SOMEBODY'S DOING THIS, WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY FOUNDATIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY IN THE. YEAH, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS FOR I MEAN, THEIR INTENT IS TO TRY AND DEVELOP SOME SORT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. ARE YOU INVOLVED IN ANY OF THAT? I'M NOT INVOLVED. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS GREAT, BUT NO, I'M NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT AT ALL. YEAH. VISION GALVESTON. OKAY. GALVESTON. THEY'RE SEPARATE DOCUMENTS. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS LIKE THE GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR THE CITY. AND THEN THE LDR'S ARE THE, YOU KNOW, NUTS AND BOLTS OF HOW YOU DEVELOP. OKAY. IF WE COULD HAVE EITHER DURING THE WORKSHOP OR MAYBE AT OUR NEXT MEETING, JUST A QUICK REVIEW OF SOME OF THOSE AND HOW THEY'RE IMPACTING THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WELL, IT HASN'T STARTED YET. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO KICK OFF IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS. THE REVIEW? THERE'S NO LDR REVIEW RIGHT NOW. NO, NO. THOSE ARE FROM 2015. YES 2015. YEAH OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MAYBE WE CAN JUST DO A QUICK DEFINITION OF WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS. [00:35:05] AND YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE OF A POLICY GUIDING TYPE OF DOCUMENT. AND YOU KNOW, THE LDR AND THE MUNICODE ETC.. JUST A QUICK REVIEW. THE LDR IS GRAPEFRUIT. I MEAN IT'S THEY ARE THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY SIMILARITY THEY HAVE. THEY BOTH START WITH THE LETTER G. SO IT'S READ IT. IT'LL MAKE FOR SOME GOOD NIGHT READING FOR YOU. IN ALL OF MY YEARS OF BEING HERE I JUST FLAT DON'T LIKE IT. [LAUGHTER] IT CREATES A LOT OF CONFUSION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF IF THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF OPPOSITION IT CREATES, WHICH I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CREATES A HUGE, JUST CLOUD OF DOUBT. AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WITH THE COMP PLAN. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I KNOW CATHERINE LOVES THESE DOCUMENTS. IT'S A VERY FLUID DOCUMENT. YEAH, THAT'S THE ISSUE. AND IT IS. IT'S FLYING AT 30,000FT, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHOEVER IS ON THE STEERING COMMISSION. YEAH, I GUESS STEERING COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN CHANGE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY. BUT IT DOESN'T. THE ISSUE IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ALL THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE ISSUE WHEN YOU READ THAT IS IS, IS WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . AND THINK OF THIS. IT'S MORE LIKE THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE FLYING AT 30,000FT. THE LDR IS WHEN YOU'RE FIXING TO, THE WHEELS ARE FIXING TO TOUCH THE DIRT. SO IT'S MORE OF A GUIDING DOCUMENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THERE'S VERY LITTLE ENFORCEMENT IN IT. IT CAN BE INTERPRETED IN MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. WHEREAS THE LDR IS SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, BLACK AND WHITE. I'M SURE. TAKE AN ASPIRIN AND READ IT. IT'S YEAH. SO ANYWAY, I DON'T I DON'T MEAN TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE IS NO OTHER BUSINESS, WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND HAPPY MARDI GRAS. HAPPY MARDI GRAS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.