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[1. Call Meeting To Order]
WE'LL GET STARTED HERE WITH THE GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS IS ON THEIR WAY.
THEY'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING FIRST OR AND A COUPLE OF ITEMS. SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? SEEING NONE.
WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE NOVEMBER 19TH MEETING.
[4. Approval Of Minutes]
ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS, CHANGES, CORRECTIONS TO THOSE? THEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE AS WELL.MARK THOSE AS APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
THEN CASE NUMBER 24-044 HAS BEEN DEFERRED.
[6.B.1. 24P-044 (Adjacent To 1522 Ball / Avenue H) Request For A License To Use In Order To Place A Charging Station In The City Of Galveston Right-Of-Way. Adjacent Property Is Legally Described As M.B. Menard Survey, Lot 12, Block 315, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Jason Johnston Property Owners: Jason And Danielle Johnston]
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION.MATTER OF FACT. SO WHAT? WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS CASE HAS GOTTEN A DEFERRAL AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, WHICH WAS YESTERDAY, AND THEY RECOMMENDED DEFERRAL UNTIL THEIR DECEMBER THE 16TH MEETING AND SO THE APPLICANT COULD PRESENT SOME ANSWERS FOR THEM AND PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THEIR PROPOSAL AND SITE CONDITIONS.
SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER 24P-044 UNTIL THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING. SO I GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IT SAYS THAT IT'S JANUARY 7TH, WHICH WOULD BE OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING ON THE 17TH.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE THAT'S PASSED.
SO WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 24P-044 IS DEFERRED.
SO WE WILL NOW OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
ALRIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A SECOND SO WE CAN ALL BE ON TV.
POWDER OUR NOSES AND ALL RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ON TV.
SO WE WILL RESUME THE MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH 24 BF-095 HUNTER.
THIS WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDA ITEM.
ALL RIGHT. LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS JOINED THE MEETING.
[6.A.1. 24BF-095 (11351 Beachside Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit To Include Proposed Construction Of A Large-Scale SingleFamily Residence With Unreinforced Fibercrete Paving Beneath The Footprint Of The Structure And An Unreinforced Fibercrete Driveway. Property Is Legally Described As Lot 906, Beachside Village Section 9 (2024), Beachside Village, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Stanley A Culwell Property Owner: John Olt]
YES, SIR.OH, NO. IS THAT YOURS? OKAY. JUST A SECOND.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF.
ALRIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A LARGE SCALE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH UNREINFORCED CONCRETE PAVING BENEATH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE AND AN UNREINFORCED FIBER CREEK DRIVEWAY.
THE ADDRESS IS 11351 BEACHSIDE DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT 906 BEACHSIDE VILLAGE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE BEACHSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION.
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SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE NOT ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM ARE LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ERODING AT A RATE OF 8 TO 9FT PER YEAR.
STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY, ZOOMED IN FOR CLARITY ON THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES.
DISTANCE TO THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE IS 26.5FT AND 72.6FT FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION.
ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE PLAN.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES FIBER CREEP FOR BOTH SLAB AND DRIVEWAY.
THE SITE PLAN ALSO CONTAINS THE DRAINAGE PLAN.
NEXT SLIDE IS THE IMPERVIOUS MAP THAT'S INCLUDED DUE TO LARGE SCALE CONSTRUCTION STATUS.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE FOUNDATION AND PYLON LAYOUT PLAN.
NEXT SLIDE IS THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN.
BREAKAWAY. NEXT THE FOLLOWING SLIDE SHOW THE EXTERNAL SIDE VIEWS OF THE RESIDENTS FIRST FROM THE FRONT, THEN THE REAR, FOLLOWED BY THE LEFT, AND THEN LASTLY THE RIGHT.
FINALLY, WE HAVE FIVE PHOTOS OF THE SITE, FIRST LOOKING NORTH AND LOOKING EAST, THEN LOOKING SOUTH, THEN LOOKING WEST, AND FINALLY THE LINE OF VEGETATION.
PHOTO. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WHICH ONE ARE YOU? SO THIS IS FOR 11351 BEACHSIDE DRIVE.
ALL RIGHT, SO ANYBODY HERE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 24BF- 095, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 24 BF-095 WOULD BE APPROVED.
WHAT DID I DO WITH MY AGENDA HERE? 24BF-112. GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
[6.A.2. 24BF-112 (11341 Beachside Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit To Include Proposed Construction Of A Large-Scale SingleFamily Residence With Unreinforced Fibercrete Paving Beneath The Footprint Of The Structure And An Unreinforced Fibercrete Driveway. Property Is Legally Described As Lot 911, Beachside Village Section 9 (2024), Beachside Village, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Alejandra Lorenzo Property Owner: Robert Todd & Erica J Binkley]
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AGAIN. THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A LARGE SCALE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH UNREINFORCED FIBER CREEK PAVING BENEATH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE, AND AN UNREINFORCED CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.THE ADDRESS IS 11341 BEACHSIDE DRIVE.
THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT 911 BEACHSIDE VILLAGE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE BEACHSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION.
SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE NOT ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM ARE LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ERODING AT A RATE OF 8 TO 9FT PER YEAR.
STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY ZOOMED IN? FOR CLARITY, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURES DISTANCE TO THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE IS 26FT AND 124.4FT FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION.
ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE PLAN.
THE PROJECT PROPOSES FIBER CREEP FOR BOTH SLAB AND DRIVEWAY.
THE SITE PLAN ALSO CONTAINS THE DRAINAGE PLAN.
TOTAL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR THIS PROJECT IS 29.32%, WHICH IS UNDER THE MAXIMUM THRESHOLD OF 40%.
NEXT SLIDE IS THE FOUNDATION AND PYLON LAYOUT PLAN.
NEXT IS THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN.
YEP. LEFT AND THEN TO THE RIGHT AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE FIVE PHOTOS OF THE SITE.
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FIRST LOOKING NORTH.LOOKING WEST AND THEN THE LINE OF VEGETATION.
THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU, HUNTER. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SURE. REMIND ME ON THE CLOSEST PUBLIC BEACH.
SO THIS AND HERE THERE ARE WALKWAYS.
BUT THOSE ARE ALL PRIVATE, CORRECT? NO, I MEAN, THEY'RE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT THEY ARE PUBLIC.
OKAY. GOTCHA. SO THERE'S STREET PARKING WHEN THIS IS ALL SAID AND DONE FOR THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, HUNTER.
WHAT? WHAT IS DONE? WHO'S WHO TRIES TO MAKE THAT HOLE AGAIN? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY DOES IN THEIR DEAL, OR IS IT SO FOR THAT PLOT, THAT STRETCH OF BEACH? THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY PERMIT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED FOR IT.
SO THEY DO HAVE PLANS OF REBUILDING THE DUNE IN FRONT OF IT.
SO WHO DOES THAT RESPONSIBILITY FALL ON? IS THAT A CITY DEAL? A PROPERTY OWNER DEAL? A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT'S A LITTLE UNRELATED, BUT I'M JUST.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE DEVELOPER.
IT'S THE DEVELOPER DOING IT. OKAY.
VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, PLEASE.
I'VE BEEN NOTICING THAT AS WE LOOK FURTHER EAST ALONG THIS SUBDIVISION, THE DUNE LINE GOES FURTHER INTO THE LOTS, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY AN ISSUE WITH THE NORTH TOE OFFSET ON SOME OF THE FUTURE LOTS.
HOW MUCH? RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT MUCH BETWEEN THE VEGETATION LINE, THE OFFSET FOR THE DUNE NORTH TOE BETWEEN ON THIS PROPERTY.
I CAN'T TELL EXACTLY WHAT IT IS, BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY, OKAY, THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHRINK YOUR HOUSE IN RELATION TO THESE BOUNDARIES.
RIGHT. IN THAT REGARD, I'M REDUCING DRIVEWAY.
MAYBE THERE'S WE SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE CANTILEVERING GOING ON IN THOSE INSTANCES.
MAYBE WE DO SEE A REDUCTION IN HOME SIZE TO FIT WITHIN THAT KIND OF PARAMETERS.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW AS WE SEE MORE OF THOSE HOMES GET PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED GOING FURTHER EAST.
YEAH. AND WITH THE ENCROACHMENT GOING ON, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
THAT'S ALL. THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, THOUGH, LOOKS LIKE IT HAS LIKE 125FT.
YEAH. THEY'RE BIG. THEY GOT A LOT OF ROOM BEFORE THEIR HOUSES.
AS I WAS LOOKING AT IT, ARE WE THIS PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY ALREADY STARTED.
IS THIS JUST A PICTURE SHOWING THE LOT NEXT DOOR? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S TWO LOTS TO THE WEST.
YEAH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF ACTIVITY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, SO.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YOU GUYS WANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO TELL US.
SO MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU FOR DOING THAT.
SO THANK YOU. SO ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? YOU GUYS WANT TO ADDRESS THE.
OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR. YOU NEED [INAUDIBLE] AND LISTEN.
IF YOU GOT. WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
SO IT'S JUST THE CONCERN HE HAD EVERY.
THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY SAID EVERY OWNER AN EMAIL OUT.
AND WE'VE ALL KIND OF, LIKE, AGREED TO MOVE OUR HOUSES FORWARD BECAUSE THE NORTH TOE DOES.
RIGHT AND THEN GO INTO THE WATER.
SO WE'RE ALL IN AGREEANCE TO KIND OF LIKE MOVE THE NORTH TO PERFECT VERBALLY.
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KEVIN PETERSON, ZILLA BUILDERS.PERFECT. THE CUSTOMER'S BUILDER.
ALRIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
24BF- 112, AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
SO THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
24P-044 HAS BEEN DEFERRED AND NOW WE'RE 24P-042.
[6.C.1. 4P-042 (101 14th Street, 1405-1415 Harborside Drive) Request For A Planned Unit Development (PUD) Overlay District For A “Restaurant, Drive-In/Through”, “Parking Lot, Commercial Surface Parking Area”, And “Electric Vehicle Charging Station”. Properties Are Legally Described As M.B. Menard Survey, Lots 4, 5, 6, And The North 70 Feet Of Lot 7 (7-1), Block 674, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Michael Gaertner Property Owner: Christopher And Kathleen Frederickson]
SO, DANIEL, BEFORE WE CALL THIS CASE, MY UNDERSTANDING, CHAIRMAN, IS THAT THE APPLICANT WISHES TO MAKE A REQUEST, AND IT MAY BE BETTER TO MAKE THAT REQUEST BEFORE THE DETAILS ON THE CASES BEING HEARD.SO I KNOW DANIEL WILL HAVE TO READ THE MATTER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S A REQUEST.
HOPE I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH FOR A DEFERRAL, BUT ON THIS CASE.
YES. OKAY. WELL, LET'S, YOU KNOW, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? BUT DANIEL WILL STILL HAVE TO CALL IT, AND IT'S UNDERSTOOD.
OKAY. SO WE'LL I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THEN WE'LL ASK FOR THE APPLICANT.
GO AHEAD. DANIEL. SO WE'LL PROCEED AS USUAL.
THE REQUEST WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED UNDER CASE 24P-037, WHICH WAS DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL.
THE APPLICANT HAS SINCE RESUBMITTED WITH A DIFFERENT REQUEST AND THAT'S NOTED IN YOUR BACKGROUND.
THE THREE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS REQUEST FOR A PUD OVERLAY DISTRICT TO ESTABLISH A RESTAURANT, DRIVE-THRU PARKING LOT, COMMERCIAL SURFACE AREA, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION, AND CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THE SUBJECT SITE IS ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS.
THREE LAND USES ARE PROPOSED RESTAURANT AND DRIVE THROUGH PARKING LOT.
COMMERCIAL SURFACE PARKING AREA.
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION.
THUS THE REQUEST FOR THE PUD STAFF.
STANDARDS, ALLOW FLEXIBILITY IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR SPECIFIC USES AND SITES.
SUBJECT ZONE ONCE AGAIN, IS CENTRAL BUSINESS, ENCOMPASSES MUCH OF THE CITY'S HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AREA AND IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR INTENSIVE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS FOUND IN URBAN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS.
PLEASE NOTE THE PUD DEVELOPMENT PLAN DETAILS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
ALSO NOTE THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OF A PUD OR IN THIS CASE, A RECOMMENDATION.
DEVELOPMENT OF CENTRAL BUSINESS SHOULD BE DENSE MIXED USE ORIENTED TO THE PEDESTRIAN.
THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS OF COURSE HIGHLY CAR CENTRIC.
INSTEAD, WITH SEVERAL WELL, TWO OTHERWISE PROHIBITED LAND USES IN A THIRD THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND LAND USE.
A LANDSCAPING STRIP CONTAINING STRIPS AND TREES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN PARKING LOT, DRIVEWAYS OR ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM THAT. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A REDUCTION OF THE NUMBER OF [INAUDIBLE] SPACES FOR DRIVE THRU FROM 8 TO 7.
THAT, OF COURSE, BEING THE AREAS WHERE VEHICLES LINE UP WHILE WAITING FOR SERVICE AT DRIVE THRUS.
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ITS INTENT IS TO ENSURE THAT WAITING VEHICLES DO NOT BLOCK SIDEWALKS OR EVEN STREETS.DUE TO NONCONFORMANCE WITH THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST BE DENIED.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE SOME CONDITIONS THAT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAVE SUGGESTED IF COUNCIL FINDS THE REQUEST DOES CONFORM TO THE CRITERIA, AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, ONE AND, WELL, SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH NINE.
I'M SORRY AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TEN THROUGH 13 SHOULD ONCE AGAIN COUNCIL DEEM THIS APPROPRIATE.
THIS IS A SUBJECT ONE OF THE PART OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF SEVERAL BUILDINGS AND LOTS.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE IS THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY WHERE THOSE TWO LITTLE HOUSES ARE.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE AND HERE'S LOOKING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN TOWARD THE END OF THE PROPERTY.
HERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE IS A PHOTO OF THE ADJACENT DRIVEWAY.
ANOTHER PHOTO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ONCE AGAIN, MORE PHOTOS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE AND ONCE AGAIN TO GRAPHICS SHOWING HOW THE LOT WOULD BE DEVELOPED FROM THE APPLICANT AND I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. ALL RIGHT.
YOU WANT TO COME TELL US WHAT YOU GOT IN MIND? GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN.
I THINK IT'S TUESDAY, DECEMBER 17TH.
ACTUALLY, IT'S ON THE IT'S JANUARY THE 7TH.
FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, TO THE JANUARY MEETING.
OKAY, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, MR. GARTNER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION ON YOUR CASE? I DON'T NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS ALL OKAY, BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE KIND OF TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF A REGROUP IF YOU GUYS, I'M ASKING IF, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR ANYTHING FROM US? IT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.
WE CAN JUST DEFER IT AND YOU CAN BRING IT BACK.
I'D BE HAPPY TO. I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR ANY.
IS THIS OKAY? ARE WE GETTING WAY OFF BASE? HE'S ASKED FOR A DEFERRAL.[INAUDIBLE].
RIGHT. IT'S A MOTION THAT CAN BE FULLY AND SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON REGARDING THE CASE ON THE DEFERRAL MOTION AND WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE DEFERRED. HOWEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO DISCUSS.
PERFECT. SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHAT I'M THINKING, IS IN AN EFFORT TO HELP YOU, THE LAST THING I WANT YOU TO DO IS DEFER, COME BACK AND BE, HEY, WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS IS WHAT YOU WHAT YOU GUYS HAD IN MIND.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO HELP THE APPLICANT IF WE CAN.
HE MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING WE HAVE TO SAY, BUT ARE YOU GUYS FOLLOWING WHAT I'M WANTING TO DO HERE? ARE YOU ALL GOOD WITH THAT? OKAY, SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE DISCUSSION, THEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE A FULL DISCUSSION.
AND THEN THE MOTION, WHATEVER MOTION HAPPENS AT THE END SHOULD HAPPEN AT THE END, AS IN THE REGULAR.
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WELL, OR NO DISCUSSION HAS ONLY BEEN CALLED AND PRESENTED BY STAFF, RIGHT.PLANNING COMMISSION HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION STAFF OR THE APPLICANT.
[INAUDIBLE]. SO YEAH, REGULAR PROCESS.
AND MAYBE I'M MAKING THIS MUCH HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE.
WELL, MAYBE I'M NOT BEING CLEAR.
I WANTED TO GIVE THE APPLICANT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS HE WANTED TO DEFER IT.
SO BEFORE ALL OF THE MATTERS ARE A DISGUST FOR THE COMMISSION TO SAY, YES, WE'RE JUST GOING TO DISCUSS IT IN THE JANUARY MEETING SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO BRING.
I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WANTS TO DEFER IT.
BUT THE DEFERRAL POWER RESTS WITH THE COMMISSION.
IT'S WHATEVER. I'M SURE YOU WILL KEEP US IN OUR LINE.
SO WHY DON'T WE HEAR YOUR REASONS FOR DEFERRAL AND WE'LL MOVE FROM THERE.
IS THAT COOL? YOU GOOD WITH THAT? SURE. OF COURSE.
JUST RECEIVED THEM THIS AFTERNOON.
HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO FORMULATE A RESPONSE TO THOSE COMMENTS.
SECOND IS THAT IN THE IN OUR PREVIOUS PASS AT THIS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS CRUCIAL MOVING THIS FORWARD WAS THE INPUT FROM THE EX-OFFICIO MEMBER, YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, MR. ROLLINS, WHO'S NOT HERE TODAY AND SO, MOVING FORWARD, IF AND WHEN THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, THERE WOULD BE NO CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WAS HERE AT THIS MEETING TO COMMUNICATE WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS WERE TO THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER.
AND YOU KNOW WE ARE THE MOTION TO DEFER IS AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
AND A SECOND IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION.
AND I'LL SAY THIS THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
AND I'M. YOU'VE BROUGHT US SOME GREAT CASES IN THE PAST.
I HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THIS ONE AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS.
YES AND SO THOUGH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DRIVE THROUGH FOR A TEA SHOP, MY CONCERN IS, WITH THE TEA SHOP TURNS INTO A CHICK FIL A.
AND WHERE THAT IS LOCATED, THAT COULD CREATE SOME SUBSTANTIAL TRAFFIC ISSUES.
SO THAT IS ONE OF MY OTHER CONCERN IS IT IS ADJACENT TO SOME RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE THE COMPLEXION OF THIS AREA IS CHANGING AND BUT SOMEHOW SOME WAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE BEST WAY IS GOING TO BE RIGHT DOWN THAT ALLEY NEXT TO AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I HAVE.
AM I OKAY GOING THIS WAY? OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS I WAS NOTICING ONE OF THE COMMENTS SAID THAT WAS THIS STILL A HISTORICAL DISTRICT? I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS EVER A HISTORICAL DISTRICT IN THIS AREA.
THAT'S ONE THAT'S ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN HERE.
YEAH. SO MY BUT MY SECOND QUESTION IS MY SECOND CONCERN IS THE SAME THING AS YOURS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE I KNOW THAT WE THIS IS ON A MAIN STREET WHICH IS HARBORSIDE, WHICH MAKES IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR IT TO BE COMMERCIAL.
BUT WHAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO GO THERE? AND IF WE DO MAKE THIS PERMANENT, PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE PERMANENT, THEN WE'VE ALREADY ENCOUNTERED THIS BEFORE, LIKE WE DID THAT DOWN ON EIGHT MILE ROAD OR WAS IT NINE MILE ROAD MADE THIS CHANGE AND THEN THE PERSON CHANGED THEIR MIND AND WELL LOOK WE GOT SOME WE GOT A PERMANENT CHANGE THAT NOW IS THERE.
SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN MAKING THESE TYPES OF CHANGES TO THE LAND AND THEN LATER THE PERSON CAN'T DO IT, OR THE SITUATION DOESN'T OCCUR, OR THEY CAN'T GET THE PERMITTING OR WHATEVER HAPPENS AND THEN NOW WE'RE STUCK WITH SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T INITIALLY THINK THAT WE WANTED TO PUT THERE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, SIR. WELL I JUST I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE.
HAS THERE BEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE? SO WE'RE JUST HERE. SO THIS IS DISCUSSION AMONGST US.
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ALRIGHT. I THINK THAT I HAVE A REAL CONCERN WITH THE LOCATION.THAT'S RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF 14TH AND HARBORSIDE AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE AMBULANCES USE 14TH AS THEIR MAIN RUN COMING OFF SEAWALL.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHTS.
EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE LIGHT NORTH OF BROADWAY.
OKAY. YEAH. YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. SO THEY CAN HAUL BUTT AND GET THROUGH THERE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THAT RIGHT TURN LANE OR I'M SORRY, NOT THE RIGHT TURN LANE, BUT THAT 14TH STREET BEING CONGESTED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN IT IS IN PRESENT DAY TIME AND THAT CONCERNS ME AND I, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH PROBABLY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING HARBORSIDE. I LIKE THAT IT'S THE TEA SHOP OR WHATEVER IS AT A POINT WHERE IT'S FAR ENOUGH EAST.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO EXIT AND THEY CAN'T SEE THE TRAFFIC COMING THAT EXITS FAR ENOUGH. THE ENTRANCE FROM HARBORSIDE.
AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBLEMATIC OR HOMICIDES DURING FERRY ROAD TIMES AND SUMMERTIME.
THAT'S REALLY BUSY AND AGAIN, PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL, I JUST THAT'S WHAT I SEE.
THAT REALLY JUST STANDS OUT TO ME IS WE'RE PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE WE WERE LOOKING AT ON BROADWAY, REMEMBER HOW WE TRY TO MINIMIZE EXITS ENTRANCES IN BROADWAY AND WE'RE DOING THIS. WE'RE DOING BASICALLY THAT WITH HARBORSIDE, WHICH IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE HIGHWAY.
IT IS A HIGHWAY. SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK THIS IS MORE GEARED TOWARD SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE OUR FIRST QUARTERLY MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE WHOLE USE OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE WE KEEP GETTING THESE AND APPLICANTS ASK FOR THESE EXCEPTIONS TO AND DEVIATIONS FROM THE EXISTING REGULATIONS, AND WE ALWAYS END UP COMING UP WITH SOMETHING.
IN MY VIEW, THAT'S A WEIRD RESULT.
AND PART OF IT, JUST LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, IT'S A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT ALLOWING TWO THINGS OR ALLOWING ONE THING AND A LIMITED USE AND NOT THE OTHER TWO. THEN YOU GO A BLOCK OVER AND YOU'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT WHERE YOU COULD PROBABLY DO ALL OF THIS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE OUR FIRST QUARTERLY MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, JUST TO LET THEM KNOW, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT THESE PODS.
ARE THEY SERVING THE PURPOSE THAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO SERVE? AND GIVEN THE LOCATION.
BECAUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET YOU'VE GOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
I THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE PLACE FOR ANY KIND OF FOOD SERVICE OR COFFEE SHOP OR ANYTHING.
I WOULDN'T GO THERE AND SIT THERE AND LOOK AT A PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
BUT CHARGING STATION, I THINK, IS A GREAT IDEA.
AT ANY RATE, IT'S JUST A CONFLICT BETWEEN THESE THESE ZONES THAT BUMP UP AGAINST EACH OTHER AND WHAT YOU CAN DO HERE AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO HERE AND YOU GO ACROSS THE STREET, YOU COULD DO ALL OF IT. RIGHT.
SO THAT'S MY COMMENT IS PARTICULARLY JUST AROUND ZONING.
AND WHEN WE DO HAVE THIS FIRST MEETING WITH THE COUNCIL.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS WE'LL TAKE THIS IS A VOTE TO DEFER UNTIL THE JANUARY 7TH MEETING.
THOSE IN FAVOR AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS I HOPE THAT HELPS YOU MR. GARTNER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAYBE IT MAYBE IT DIDN'T, BUT IT WAS AN EFFORT WE'LL SEE IN JANUARY.
CERTAINLY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY.
YES, MA'AM. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE DISCUSSION ITEM.
[7.A. Discussion Of Quarterly Joint Meetings With City Council Beginning January Of 2025 (B. Rawlins)]
YES. JUST LETTING THE RECORD REFLECT THAT THE EX-OFFICIO MR. ROLLINS HAS NOT APPEARED TODAY.RIGHT. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THIS ITEM FROM THE AGENDA UNTIL THE EX-OFFICIO REQUEST FOR IT TO BE ON.
NOW, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
UNDERSTOOD. TO JUST TABLE IT OR JUST EVEN THE RIGHT WORD NOW, TO NOT HAVE IT COME BACK ON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA UNTIL WE GET DIRECT COMMUNICATION FROM THE EXECUTIONER, WHERE HE WILL BE IN ATTENDANCE SO THAT THIS COMMISSION IS NOT GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM POSSIBLY CITY COUNCIL, AND IT CAN BE A MUTUAL EXCHANGE OF WHERE EACH PART, EACH ENTITY, WANTS THE CITY TO GO.
UNDERSTOOD. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
HAVE HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROTOCOLS SET FOR THESE WITH ANY OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS? SO WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THEY DOING.
SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ALL SPECIAL.
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COMMISSIONS OF THE CITY.AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT THOSE ARE THE TWO AND SO NOT TO DIMINISH HOW YOU GUYS FUNCTION, BUT YOU DO FUNCTION WAY DIFFERENT FROM THE PARK BOARD AND THE PORT.
CAN WE MEET MORE OFTEN? YOU MEET MORE OFTEN, AND THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE PARK BOARD AND THE PORT MEMBERS TO GO TO THESE QUARTERLY MEETINGS.
THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T TYPICALLY DO THAT AND HOW WOULD THAT EVEN WORK? WOULD WE ASK ALL SEVEN OF YOU TO ATTEND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, OR IS IT JUST A CHAIR TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION? SO THE CHAIRPERSON SAID HE WANTS TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.
THE CHAIR PERSON SPEAKS TO CITY COUNCIL, EITHER THROUGH THE EX-OFFICIO.
THE EX-OFFICIO CAN INVITE THE CHAIRPERSON TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND SPEAK ON A CERTAIN TOPIC, ETC.
I WILL TAKE IT UPON ONE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES TO COMMUNICATE IN PERSON WITH THE EX-OFFICIO, SINCE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE EXHIBITION TO BE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF IDEAS.
EVEN WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE POD ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE START TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, THAT THAT'S ALSO A CONCERN OF CITY COUNCIL AND HOW THEY WANT TO DIRECT THIS COMMISSION.
SO I WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION AS MUCH AS I CAN WITH THE EX-OFFICIO ON THE COMMUNICATION THAT THIS BOARD REALLY DOES NEED AND IT REALLY DOES NEED.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT AS I'M MIKED UP THAT WE NEED BOTH ENTITIES TO WORK TOGETHER, BUT THE PARK BOARD AND THE PORT, THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE USED TO HAVING JOINT MEETINGS.
THERE'S USUALLY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRESENTATIONS FROM THOSE ENTITIES TO COUNCIL AND SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS FROM THIS BOARD.
THEY WANT TO WORK ON SOME ISSUES.
THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT CITY COUNCIL WANTS THEM TO WORK ON.
OKAY, SO JUST SO THAT WE ALL AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS, BUT THOUGH WE COULD COME UP WITH OUR WISH LIST, FOR LACK OF ANOTHER WORD, WE WORK AT THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNCIL AND THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DICTATE WHAT WE WORK ON.
SO US MAKING A SUGGESTION OR RECOMMENDATION, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE.
SO TO KIND OF GIVE US HE DOES THE INTRODUCTION.
I WOULD JUST ABOUT TO SUGGEST THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR WHENEVER IT CAN BE SCHEDULED THAT THIS BOARD COMES UP WITH THEIR OWN LITTLE WISH LIST OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO WORK ON FOR CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN STAFF CAN PRESENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL ALMOST DIRECTLY THROUGH THE DIRECTOR. IF THE EX-OFFICIO IS HERE, THAT'S JUST.
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW UP WITH OUR WISH LIST, AND WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUR WISH LIST OF, HEY, THESE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH AND WE JUST SEND THEM UP THE PIPE AND THEY SAY YAY OR NAY.
I WOULD NOT ENTITLE IT JOINT MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL.
NO. TITLE. IT PROJECTS THAT CITY THAT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY WANT TO UNDERTAKE WOULD LIKE TO OR RECEIVE FEEDBACK ON HOW DO WE GET TO WORKSHOP THE LAST TIME BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THIS ONCE BEFORE AND BY THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THIS CAME ORIGINALLY FROM CITY COUNCIL, SO THEY REQUESTED SORT OF THEY WANT I THINK THEY WANTED TO BE MORE CONNECTED WITH YOU GUYS. RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT.
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AND THE PREVIOUS [INAUDIBLE].I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE ANY EXCUSES FOR ANYBODY, BUT IN ALL FAIRNESS, JOHN WAS PRETTY PLUGGED IN TO ALL THAT AND I CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT THERE.
ALL RIGHT. SO WHY DON'T WE COME UP WITH OUR WISH LIST? WE'LL GET HAVE IT PUT ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T KNOW WHY. WHY COULDN'T WE HAVE IT ON THE NEXT ONE IF HE'S HERE? ACTUALLY, WE COULD HAVE OUR WISH LIST DISCUSSION AND HE CAN GO FROM THERE IF HE'S NOT.
YOU KNOW WHAT? WE HAVE THE WISH LIST.
THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE UP TO, AND THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA.
SO WHY DON'T WE CAN WE KEEP THE DISCUSSION ITEM ON.
WE CAN TAKE THE EX OFFICIO NAME OFF OF IT.
WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT. OKAY.
WELL WHY DON'T Y'ALL ARE CREATIVE.
Y'ALL KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SOMETHING I FOLLOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED, HE HAS TO BE HERE.
[7.B. 2025 Meeting Schedule (Staff)]
WE HAVE MEETING SCHEDULE, DISCUSSION.WE HAVE IT HERE ON THE SCREEN FOR YOUR PERUSAL [INAUDIBLE].
HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THIS ON THE BACK OF THE PACKET? YEAH, I HAVE SEEN THIS.
THE ONLY THING THAT I NOTICED WAS, IS FOR WE HAD THE EARLY DEAL IN MARCH AND WHAT THEY AND WHAT THEY DID IS THEY SENT THIS OUT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO COORDINATE IT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES.
SO I PERSONALLY DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
IT'S AN APRIL IS THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH TUESDAY.
WHAT ARE THE STARS? THERE'S THERE WAS ONE OF THOSE WHERE IT GOT MOVED UP.
BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS GOT MOVED UP A WEEK BECAUSE I THINK IT FELL ON A WHAT WAS THAT? IT WAS LIKE THE FIRST DAY OR SOMETHING THAT IT ENDED UP WHERE YOU HAD A MEETING ON THE FIRST AND ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 15TH, INSTEAD OF THEM BEING SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE MONTH.
I YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS WHEN THEY DID THAT.
IT MADE THE NEXT MEETING IN MAY LIKE THREE, 3 OR 4 WEEKS LATER.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THIS OKAY.
VERY GOOD. SEE YOU GUYS NEXT YEAR.
Y'ALL ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL AND BLESSED HOLIDAY AND THAT'S A BIG TREE DOWN THERE, DONNA.
I DON'T THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT A BIG PRESENT DOWN THERE FOR YOU.
IT WAS NOT THERE, BUT ALL RIGHT.
THERE'S NO OTHER IF THERE'S NO OTHER ITEMS, WE'LL BE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.