OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. [00:00:02] WELCOME TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. [Landmark Commission on December 2, 2024.] TODAY IS MONDAY, DECEMBER 2ND AND THE TIME IS 4:00. WE WILL START THE MEETING OFF WITH ATTENDANCE. THANK YOU. CONFLICT OF INTEREST. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES TODAY? NO. OKAY. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SO WE HAVE OCTOBER 7TH, OCTOBER 21ST AND NOVEMBER 4TH IN OUR PACKET. DID EVERYBODY LOOK OVER THOSE? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED OR ANYTHING? NO. OKAY. WE'LL ACCEPT THEM AS PRESENTED. PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY NON-AGENDA ITEMS? NO. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON. NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS. OUR FIRST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. CASE 24LC-032 1019 SEALY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, AS STATED, THIS IS A COA FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING RESTORATION OF A SIDE PORCH, REMOVAL OF UPPER PORCH RAILING, AND DEMOLITION OF REAR ADDITION. FOR PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, NONE OF THOSE WERE RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THE FOLLOWING SCOPE OF WORK. RESTORE ORIGINAL SIDE PORCH AND REMOVE EXISTING WALLS. REMOVE REAR ADDITION AND REMOVE SLASH. OMIT UPPER PORCH HANDRAILS. SEE EXHIBIT A FOR MORE DETAILS OF THE REQUEST. PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THE PORCH AND REAR ADDITION IN QUESTION ARE LIKELY NOT HISTORIC TO THE HOUSE. SANBORN MAPS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT SUGGESTS THAT THE CURRENT HOUSE IS BUILT AFTER THE 1900 STORM. AS LATE AS MAYBE 1912 OR LATER. 1912 SANBORN SHOW. THE 1019 SEALY IS VACANT, BUT 1947, A HOUSE VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS HOUSES THERE AND THE SANBORN MAP FOOTPRINT DOES NOT SHOW A SIDE PORCH. IT JUST HAD A FRONT PORCH AT THAT TIME. SO IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT THAT PORCH WAS ADDED ON LATER AT SOME POINT AND THEN TAKEN IN AS INTERIOR SPACE. STAFF HAS SOME CONCERNS WITH COMPLETELY REMOVING THE UPPER HANDRAIL. Y HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS WERE NOT PROVIDED. THE UPPER STORY INCLUDES A WALKOUT WINDOW FACING THE STREET, WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME ATTEMPT TO USE THE FRONT PORCH ABOVE FOR OUTDOOR SPACE AT SOME POINT. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS RESTORING ONLY THE EXTENT OF THE HANDRAIL, WHICH WOULD HAVE REASONABLY BEEN PRESENT AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT. SO BASICALLY JUST THE PART THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FRONT. THIS CAN ALSO SERVE AS A VISUAL CLUE TO THE HISTORIC CHANGE OF THE HOUSE TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A HANDRAIL HERE, BUT NOT OVER HERE. THOSE SORTS OF THINGS ARE USUALLY ENCOURAGED. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX. WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE FRONT HERE. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE THE WALKOUT WINDOW, BUT IT'LL BE THE ONE THERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PHOTO. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, ONCE AGAIN SHOWING THAT SAME WALKOUT WINDOW THAT APPEARS TO BE EXISTENT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED 3D RENDER THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED. AND THEN THE BOTTOM TWO ILLUSTRATIONS COME FROM THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL AND THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS JUST SHOWING FOR CLARITY WHERE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE HANDRAIL REMAIN OR BE REPLACED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE WE HAVE THE SANBORN MAPS FROM 1899 1912, 1947 SHOWING THE KIND OF EVOLUTION OF THE LOT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. THANK YOU DANIEL. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY I HAVE ONE. THE HANDRAIL IN THE FRONT GOING BACK TO THE CORNER. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, BOTTOM, BOTTOM RIGHT. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS REPLACE THE HANDRAIL WHERE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REASONABLY. OF COURSE WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. BEFORE THE SIDE PORCH WAS ADDED. SO IN OTHER WORDS, JUST IF YOU COULD IMAGINE THE FRONT PORCH FRONT PART ITSELF. OKAY. SO IT WOULDN'T GO AROUND THE SIDE, IT WOULD JUST RETURN BACK TO THE CORNERS OF THE EXISTING SECOND STORY. IT'S THERE IN FRONT. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. [00:05:02] OKAY. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CASE 24LC-032. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? YOU COULD JUST SIGN IN FOR US. AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SARAH GARDESCU. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO I TOOK THE. IT'S A DIAGRAM OF THE TOP RAILING AS IT WOULD BE REPLACED HOW STAFF RECOMMENDED. OKAY. TELL US ABOUT IT. YEAH. JUST. I HAVE A COUPLE MORE COPIES OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW, DANIEL. I TOOK THE LIBERTY MR. I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF [INAUDIBLE] JUST TO BE CLEAR. SO WE COULD ALL BE CLEAR WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, IF IT IS. INDEED. I WAS TRYING TO DO THE MIND READING THING. SO THIS IS A PROJECT. I RETIRED, SO NOW I GET TO WORK ON MY HOUSE. SO TRYING TO GET THE BIG PICTURE DOWN SO THAT I CAN GET TO GET TO WORK. HOPING TO RESTORE THAT SIDE PORCH AND MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT LESS LIKE A BIG WALL. OKAY. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO. OKAY. GO AHEAD. WHERE IT SAYS. RELOCATION OF TWO HISTORIC WINDOWS TO THEIR ORIGINAL LOCATIONS. WHICH WINDOWS WERE THOSE? THOSE WERE THE ONES ON THE SIDE BEHIND THE PORCH. SO WE HAD GOTTEN, IN 2013, A PERMIT FOR ALL OF THIS WORK, PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL WORK, AND LIFE GOT IN THE WAY. SO WE HAD DONE PART OF IT THAT WE COULD DO WITHOUT DOING MAJOR DEMOLITION AND THAT WE WANTED TO DO OURSELVES BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE THESE WINDOWS ARE KIND OF FUSSY. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT SOME OF THAT WORK DID GET DONE AND IS KIND OF FAIT ACCOMPLI. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT BECAUSE THERE'S HURRICANE SHUTTERS OVER ALL THE WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE ANYWAY. OKAY. SO BUT YEAH AND THEN SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT ARE IN THE PACKET DO SHOW WHERE THE WINDOWS ARE TODAY. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST GLAD THAT THEY WERE THERE. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO. OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION. ANYBODY? OKAY, I'LL MAKE ONE MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE 24LC-032 . WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THE SPECIFIC CONDITION OF THE UPPER PORCH HANDRAIL BEING RESTORED ONLY TO THE FRONT OF THE PORCH. SECOND? JANE SECONDS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY. WE CAN TAKE A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? OKAY, MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT NEW BUSINESS ITEM. WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING A LICENSE TO USE CASE 24LC-033, 1522 BALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO, YES, THIS WILL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A LICENSE TO USE A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE PLACEMENT OF A EV CHARGING STATION. AT 1522 BALL, THERE WERE 25 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, THREE RETURNED. ALL THREE OF THOSE WERE OPPOSED. THERE WERE NO CITY DEPARTMENT. NO CITY DEPARTMENTS SUBMITTED ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS. [00:10:01] SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING PERMANENT LICENSE TO USE TO PLACE A CAR CHARGING STATION EV CHARGING STATION RIGHT AWAY ALONG AVENUE H IN ORDER TO CHARGE THEIR PERSONAL ELECTRIC VEHICLE. THE APPLICANT OWNS THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE, IS ALSO OWNED BY THE APPLICANT, AND OCCUPIES THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE. OCCUPIES THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT LEAVING LITTLE OFF STREET PARKING AS AN OPTION. PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT C FOR PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS. IF APPROVED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A HOUSING FOR THE CHARGING STATION. INSTALL ASSOCIATED ELECTRICAL LINES UNDERGROUND. OF COURSE, A LICENSED USE IS REQUIRED PRIOR TO PLACING ITEMS OF A MORE OR LESS PERMANENT NATURE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. PER CHAPTER 32-5 OF CODE OF ORDINANCES PLANNING COMMISSION WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION. THEY WILL HEAR THIS CASE ON ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2024, WHICH IS TOMORROW. AS FAR AS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS GO, THE PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR OFF STREET PARKING FROM THE ALLEY AS FAR AS CAN BE TOLD, DUE TO EXISTING STRUCTURES. IT'S UNKNOWN IF THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE FOR OFF STREET PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD. REGARDLESS, NEW DRIVEWAYS AND CURB CUTS TO HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE PROHIBITED WITHOUT LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVAL, SO NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST OPTION REGARDLESS. ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS SPIRITUAL SUCCESSORS TO HISTORIC HITCHING POSTS, WHICH ARE, OF COURSE, USED IN THE PRE-MODERN ERA TO TETHER HORSES. A COMMON FORM OF TRANSPORTATION, WHEREAS TODAY ARE MODERN AUTOMOBILES. TAKE THAT THAT ROLE. HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE OFTEN THOUGHT AS NEIGHBORHOODS INHABITED BY MODERN RESIDENTS AND THE NEEDS OF MODERN RESIDENTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE IMPACT OF PROPOSED INSTALLATION MAY HAVE ON EXISTING ADJACENT STREET TREES. STAFF RECOMMENDS LOCATING THE CHARGING STATION AS FAR AWAY FROM WALL STREET TREES AS POSSIBLE, IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE POTENTIAL DAMAGE TO THE ROOT SYSTEMS. NOTE THAT THERE WAS A SIMILAR REQUEST PRESENTED TO, LANDMARK COMMISSION AND PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2018, AND THAT DID ULTIMATELY GET APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS SIX THROUGH 11 AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO HERE WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, JUST THE HOUSE ITSELF. WE'LL SEE SOME PHOTOS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN QUESTION HERE IN A MOMENT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO HERE WE HAVE TWO SUBMITTALS BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING, YOU KNOW, JUST THE FIRST IS JUST A GENERAL LOCATION OF THE CHARGER AND THE SECOND IS KIND OF A MORE DETAILED MOCK UP SHOWING SOME DIMENSIONS AND THE LOOK OF THE CHARGER ITSELF AND THE APPLICANT IS BASICALLY PROPOSING TO CENTER THE CHARGING STATION EQUIDISTANT FROM THE CURB AND THE SIDEWALK. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE HAVE A FEW PHOTOS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THERE AT THE TOP, LOOKING NORTHWEST, KIND OF TOWARD THE HOUSE AND LOOKING WEST STRAIGHT DOWN THE SIDEWALK. WE HAVE ALSO THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST, TO THE SOUTH AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME MORE. EXHIBITS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT TO REFERENCE AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU, DANIEL. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? [INAUDIBLE]OPPOSED COMMENTS, SOMETHING ABOUT A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE BACK WITH A DRIVEWAY. IS [INAUDIBLE]. BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE APPLICANT STUFF AND YOU SAID THERE WASN'T ENOUGH PARKING OFF THE ALLEY TO PLACE A CHARGER THERE, RIGHT. SO THIS WAS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. STAFF DOESN'T NECESSARILY KNOW THE CONDITION OF THE GARAGE OR HOW THE APPLICANT USES IT, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY A EXCUSE, RIGHT? WE JUST CAN'T SAY. SO WE ARE GOING WITH STRICTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED. IF THE APPLICANT HAS SPOKE ABOUT THAT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE INCLUDED IT. SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO BE HERE. I JUST WONDERED BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORS MENTIONED, THAT THEY DID HAVE THAT. YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A GARAGE IN THE BACK OFF THE ALLEY. YES AND THEN WHEN YOU PLACE A CHARGER ON A CURB LIKE THAT, A PUBLIC STREET, YOU CAN'T RESTRICT WHO CAN PARK THERE. CORRECT? CORRECT. THERE IS. SO IF SOMEBODY JUST PULLS UP THERE AND DECIDES, HEY, I'M PARKING HERE TODAY, BUT THE PERSON NEEDS TO CHARGE THEIR CAR, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? OR IS THAT DO WE CARE? IS THAT AN ISSUE FOR US? WELL PARKING IS OPEN, SO THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE SITUATION. IS THAT A SHORT TERM RENTAL? I DO NOT KNOW. I DON'T EITHER. THANK YOU. [00:15:02] YOU MENTIONED AN APPROVED CHARGING STATION IN 2018. DID THAT ONE GET BUILT? IT IS. IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON THE, 24TH STREET, I BELIEVE. RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S A BIT SHORTER THAN THIS. IT'S EASY TO OVERLOOK, BUT THEY HAVE IT ENCLOSED IN A LITTLE WOODEN BOX WITH A PADLOCK. BUT IT IS THERE. YEAH. LET ME SEE. IF IT'S RIGHT ON THAT LAST PAGE. I SAW THE ADDRESS. SOMEWHERE. YEAH. I WAS MOSTLY ASKING BECAUSE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED WERE ABOUT FIRE RISKS AND PUBLIC HAZARD WITH THE CORDS, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD ANY HISTORY OF THAT WITH THAT EXISTING ONE. RIGHT. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE ISSUES OR COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S EXISTING. I WILL NOTE THAT BOTH OUR FIRE CHIEF AND OUR FIRE MARSHAL HAD NO COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL, NOR DID OUR POLICE CHIEF. NOR DID OUR ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT FOR THAT MATTER. SO THERE IS THAT. OKAY, THANKS. IT'S 2328 AVENUE M. [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE GOOGLE EARTH [INAUDIBLE]. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT ONE'S COVERED IN A WOODEN BOX NOW. SO THERE IS SOME WAY TO KIND OF MAKE IT LESS VISUALLY. ELECTRIC CHARGING STATION. OH THAT'S CORRECT. THE STAFF UNFORTUNATELY DOES NOT HAVE A PHOTO HANDY. BUT THE IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWO FOOT SQUARE BY MAYBE 30IN TALL AND YEAH, MADE OUT OF WOOD. 1522 BALL. 2320 AM0, THE OLD ONE. HELLO? [INAUDIBLE]. OH, THAT JUST CHANGED THE 16. IT JUST. IT DID SAY MAY 2024. IT MAY BE BEHIND THE PODS. IT DOES. IT JUST FLIPPED BACK. SO I THINK I KNOW THIS. I THINK IT'S LIKE A LITTLE SHED LOOKING THING THAT I ALWAYS THOUGHT WAS LIKE A WATER HOSE IN THERE. ACTUALLY DOESN'T LOOK TOO GOOD, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY AND IT MAY ALSO BE AN AWKWARD SPOT, BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE I HIT IT WITH MY DOUBLE STROLLER WHEN I WALKED THROUGH THERE. THAT'S FINE. AND LAURA KIND OF YELLED AT ME FOR. SO MY QUESTION IS THAT ONE IS PADLOCKED, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IS THIS UNLOCKED? LIKE, CAN ANYONE JUST CHARGE THEIR CAR ON IT? I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THOSE DETAILS. [00:20:03] IN THEORY, IF IT'S NOT SECURED IN SOME WAY, THE ANSWER WOULD, I GUESS BE YES. THAT'S NOTHING FOR US, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY. I GUESS IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'D BE A GOOD PLACE TO CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE WHEN THEY'RE GONE FOR FREE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, I HAVE A COUPLE. THE NEIGHBOR WHO IS OPPOSED, WHO GAVE A LENGTHY TYPED RESPONSE, STATED THAT LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, LEVEL THREE CHARGERS HAVE HIGHER VOLTAGE AND CAN PRESENT AS A FIRE HAZARD. DO WE KNOW, I THINK THEY USED THE TERM IN EVS. A SUPERCHARGER. WHAT TYPE OF CHARGER? WHAT LEVEL OF CHARGING THIS WILL BE IN TERMS OF VOLTAGE? AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION TO THAT WOULD BE IF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE WAS AT 0% AND THEY PLUGGED IT INTO THIS CHARGER, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO BE FULLY CHARGED? YEAH. THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL WAS THAT FINE GRAINED SO WE CANNOT ANSWER THEM. I THINK IT SAYS 2/30 VOLT ON THE THING. IT'S HARD TO READ. SO I GUESS ASSUMING THAT'S RIGHT, IT'S LEVEL TWO, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW CLEAR THAT IS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELL, YEAH. SO WHAT IS OUR PURVIEW EXACTLY? IS IT JUST THE LOOKS OR WHAT DO WE CARE ABOUT MORE? WELL, I MEAN, IT COULD BE ESTHETICS. TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL SEE ARE MORE OR LESS, YOU KNOW, ESTHETICALLY GROUNDED. BUT YEAH, YOU WERE BASICALLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THEY'RE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, MORE EXAMINING THE PLACEMENT AND THE RIGHT OF WAY. IF THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. I WOULD WONDER IF WE COULD ADD A SPECIFIC CONDITION ABOUT MINIMIZING THE VISUAL IMPACTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT ANY IMPLICATIONS. SAFETY WISE. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A FIRE HAZARD, BUT IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO ADDING TO MINIMIZE VISUAL IMPACTS TO DISGUISE OR CAMOUFLAGE, I SEE THAT THEY DO HAVE SOME PLANTS THERE, WHICH IS A GOOD SIGN. YEAH. SO THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION COULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS AND MODIFY A MOTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I WILL NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, A ELECTRICAL PERMIT AND INSPECTIONS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS INSTALLATION LIKE ANY OTHER ELECTRICAL WORK HERE IN THE CITY [INAUDIBLE] . I BELIEVE SO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, IS WHATEVER DIRECTIONS THAT ARE IN HERE OR WITH WHOEVER IS GOING TO INSTALL IT, THEN THAT WOULD BE A SAFETY FEATURE [INAUDIBLE]. [00:25:06] OKAY. SO ANOTHER QUESTION. SO LET'S SAY THEY DO HAVE ADEQUATE OFF STREET PARKING. WOULD THE STAFF STILL IS THAT THE WHOLE BASIS OF THIS RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE I'M SORRY. THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE IS THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE STAFF SPACE FOR OFF STREET PARKING. SO IS THAT THE WHOLE FOUNDATION OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION? IF IT DID HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE, WOULD YOU ALL NOT RECOMMEND IT AT ALL? WELL, THAT WOULD BRING IN ANOTHER COMPLEXITY OF NEW CURB CUTS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS WOULD REQUIRE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW ANYWAY. I MEAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE ALLEY OR SOMETHING FROM THE ALLEY, THAT WOULD PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY PLAY INTO IT. I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE PREVIOUS CASE, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY OFF STREET PARKING AVAILABLE TO THEM. SO IN THIS CASE, THERE MAY BE SOME. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THERE IS A GARAGE THAT PROVIDES SOMETHING. BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN THAT GARAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO WE CAN ONLY ONCE AGAIN PRESENT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE GARAGE OR ANYTHING? WE DO NOT. I GUESS IT'S MY FAULT. I SHOULD HAVE DRIVEN BY. AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT AND SEEING HOW THE CONDITION IT WAS. [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHAT I THINK. BUT THEN THE FIRST SENTENCE IS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE OFF STREET PARKING AND A GARAGE WOULD BE OFF STREET PARKING. [INAUDIBLE], THEN THERE ARE WAYS TO [INAUDIBLE]. DEFER [INAUDIBLE] . YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE BASE ASSUMPTION THAT [INAUDIBLE] BUT THERE ARE ALSO MANY SITES THAT DON'T HAVE GARAGES AT ALL OR EVEN OFF STREET PARKING. SO WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS GOING TO BECOME AN ISSUE [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER EVERYWHERE, ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. HOWEVER SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT ABOUT HOW WE DO [INAUDIBLE] . BUT AGAIN, WHAT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR IS IRRESPECTIVE OF THE GARAGE. SO THAT IS AN ISSUE AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO DEFER IT, YOU KNOW, TO GET FURTHER CLARIFICATION TO THE APPLICANT, YOU'D BE CERTAINLY WELL WITHIN THE REGULATIONS. AND ALL APPLICANTS ARE, I'M ASSUMING, ALL APPLICANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO BE HERE WITH THEIR CASES TO BE HEARD. THAT'S CORRECT. WE DO ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE HERE WHENEVER THEY CAN. ANOTHER QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY RULES ABOUT HOW MANY CAN BE ON A STREET IN GENERAL OR SPACING BETWEEN THEM OR ANYTHING? SO IN THEORY, YOU COULD HAVE EVERY HOUSE ON THE STREET HAVE ONE. OKAY. SO I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT TO TRYING TO PUSH PEOPLE IN A GARAGE. OKAY. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THE GARAGE AND THE ACCESS, BECAUSE THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT PROTESTED SAID, THERE'S A TWO CAR GARAGE AND THERE'S A DRIVEWAY IN THE BACK, BUT WHO KNOWS? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CASE 24LC-033. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? NO. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON IT? NO. OKAY. WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION. I'LL JUST SAY SO I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER. WHAT'S THE WORDING EXACTLY? I NEED TO SAY. I JUST I'D LIKE TO DEFER. MOVE THAT WE DEFER. WHY ARE YOU DEFERRING? YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION? YEAH. MORE INFORMATION. THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU SAY. YOU'RE GOING TO SAY IT FOR THE RECORD. YEAH. LET ME GET THE ACTUAL NUMBER UP. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. [00:30:05] IT'S ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. IT NEEDS TO BE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE MOTION. OKAY, SO I'VE MOVED TO DEFER 24LC-033, DEFER. SO THE APPLICANT CAN BE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT OFF STREET PARKING. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? JUST ONE MORE THING ON THE VISUAL AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR APPLICATION, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS CONSIDERED EXHIBIT A, I KNOW THEY HAVE PLANTS IN THERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH FURTHER DISCUSSION ON SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. LIKE ONE OF THEM. BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET MORE SPECIFIC INTO, MINIMIZING VISUAL IMPACTS? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM OTHER OWNERS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS WELL. ON THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE JUST SPECIFIC TO THE VISUALS. I'LL HAVE. THANKS. SO IS THAT AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST ON OFF STREET PARKING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? SURE. YES, I CAN MOTION TO AMEND THE TO CONTINUE THE DEFERMENT, BUT ALSO TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ADDING A SPECIFIC CONDITION RELATED TO THE VISUAL IMPACTS AND WAYS WE CAN MITIGATE THAT CONCERN. SO ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AMENDMENT? YEAH. DID I MESS UP BY SAYING OFF STREET PARKING? DOES THAT LIMIT OUR DISCUSSION NEXT TIME? SHOULD I JUST SAY A MOTION? OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION I GUESS AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NEW MOTION TO DEFER 24LC-033. IN HOPES THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE PRESENT TO ANSWER FURTHER QUESTIONS AND TO WHAT DATE WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFER THAT? OH. I GUESS OUR NEXT MEETING IS ONE OH. THE 16TH. YEAH. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? OKAY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? JUST ONE QUICK THING. I STILL WHEN THE ADDITIONAL CONCERNS FOR ME STILL REMAIN. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CHARGE? IS IT A DRIP, DRIP, DRIP OR IS IT 20 MINUTES OR IS IT 12 HOURS? THAT WILL WEIGH IN ON HOW I WANT TO, WHAT DECISION I MAY MAKE RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S COVERED BY YOUR MOTION. OKAY, SO LET'S GO FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? OKAY. THE MOTION TO DEFER PASSES. SO, STAFF QUESTION WHAT HAPPENS IF TOMORROW THEY APPROVE IT? IS IT JUST THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO US AGAIN OR. I'M SORRY. I BELIEVE WE WILL. WE WILL RECOMMEND THE DEFERRAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN THEY WILL GO FORWARD FROM THERE. [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE IT'S A HISTORIC ISSUE, A LANDMARK ISSUE. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEFERRED. OKAY. OKAY. MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR MEETING SCHEDULE BY STAFF. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR CAPTAIN, CATHERINE GORMAN, WHO IS NOT HERE WITH US, HAS, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS TOGETHER FOR THE 2025 MEETING SCHEDULE FOR CONSIDERATION AND, YOU KNOW, SHE ALWAYS DOES THIS EVERY YEAR. IT'S NOT NEARLY AS EASY AS IT LOOKS, SO HATS OFF TO HER. BUT HERE WE HAVE IT. JUST TO PRESENT FOR YOU KNOW, REVIEW. OKAY. OH. I'M SORRY. KARINA HAS INFORMED ME THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FINALIZED COPY, SO THIS WILL BE THE SCHEDULE. OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO ADD TO THE AGENDA OF THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON DECEMBER 16TH? NO? OKAY. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THE TIME IS 4:34. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.