I AM HERE. YES. THANK YOU. [00:00:01] THANK YOU FOR SETTING THIS UP FOR ME. [1. Call Meeting To Order] YES. OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE MEETING STARTED. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE CITY OF GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. WE HAVE TAKEN ATTENDANCE AND WE HAVE A QUORUM. ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? SEEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR THE OCTOBER 8TH REGULAR MEETING, THE OCTOBER 22ND WORKSHOP, THE [4. Approval Of Minutes] OCTOBER 22ND REGULAR MEETING, AND THE NOVEMBER 5TH REGULAR MEETING. SO WE'LL DO ALL THESE AT THE SAME TIME, IF THAT'S OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CONSIDER THOSE APPROVED. THIS IS THE PART OF THE MEETING WHERE YOU HAVE A CHANCE. IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON A NON-AGENDA ITEM. THIS IS YOUR. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? [6.A.1. 24BF-094 (11217 Bernice Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit To Include Proposed Construction Of A Single-Family Dwelling With Fibercrete Driveway And Footer. Property Is Legally Described As Abstract 121 Page 64, Lot 6, Block 5, Sunny Beach Extension, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Charles DeLongchamp Property Owner: Charles DeLongchamp] ALRIGHTY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS. 24 BF-094. HUNTER, IS THAT YOU? ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITH A FIBER GRID, DRIVEWAY AND FOOTER. THE ADDRESS IS 11217 BERNICE DRIVE. THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT. 121. PAGE 64, LOT SIX, BLOCK FIVE. SUNNY BEACH EXTENSION, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE SUNNY BEACH SUBDIVISION. SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH, WEST AND SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM ARE LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ERODING AT A RATE OF 8 TO 9FT PER YEAR. STAFF HAS PREPARED PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEWING. FIRST, WE HAVE A FIRM AND BEG MAP. SHOWING THE DISTANCES OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND ITS POSITION RELATIVE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. ON THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PROPERTY SURVEY ZOOMED IN. FOR CLARITY, THE DISTANCE FOR THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IS 47.5FT FROM THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE AND 97.5FT FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION. ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED PROJECT SITE PLAN. NEXT IS THE GROUND FLOOR PLAN AND WALL LAYOUT. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE EXTERNAL ELEVATION VIEW FROM THE EAST AND WEST VIEW. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE NORTH VIEW. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE SOUTH VIEW AND FINALLY THE ROOF. LASTLY, WE HAVE SIX PHOTOS OF THE SITE. ON FIRST, LOOKING NORTH AND LOOKING EAST. THEN LOOKING SOUTH. THEN LOOKING WEST AND THEN WE HAVE A LINE OF VEGETATION ZOOMED IN AND THEN WE FINALLY HAVE A VIEW FROM FURTHER DOWN ON THE BEACH. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU HUNTER. DOES ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. I NOTICED ON ONE OF THESE DRAWINGS IT SAYS THAT THE NEIGHBORING DECK ENCROACHES 1.2, I GUESS, FEET ONTO SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THEIR BUILD? IT SHOULDN'T AFFECT THEIR BUILD. BUT IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO PURSUE THROUGH PLANNING OF AN ENCROACHMENT OF SOME KIND, THEY COULD GO THAT ROUTE. BUT AS FOR AFFECTING THIS BUILD, WE DON'T SEE IT AS AFFECTING IT. HUNTER THIS IS IT'S IN THE COMMENTS. BUT WE DID WE'VE HEARD THIS CASE BEFORE AND THIS IS A REAPPLICATION. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. YEAH. IT WAS ORIGINALLY HERE. IT JUST THE TIME PERIOD EXPIRED AND THEY CAME BACK FOR A REAPPLICATION. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS ANYBODY HERE? LIKE, IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? RIGHT, WOULD? OH, IS THAT THE GUY? I'M SORRY. I'M THE APPLICANT. I'M CALLING IN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S A REAPPLICATION. GOT IT. OKAY. ANYBODY HERE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE 24BF-094 WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 24BF-094 IS APPROVED. [6.B.1. 24P-041 (Adjacent To 415 E. Beach Drive) Request For A License To Use To Encroach The East Beach Drive Right-Of-Way For Placement Of A Flock License Plate Reader Camera. Adjacent Property Is Legally Described As Islander East Condo Module, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Alyssa Bolick, Flock Safety Adjacent Property Owners: Islander East Condo Easement Holder: City Of Galveston] 24P-041. THIS IS ADJACENT TO 415 EAST BEACH DRIVE. [00:05:04] IT'S A REQUEST FOR A LICENSE TO USE PUBLIC NOTICES. 109 WERE SENT. EIGHT RETURNED. THOSE EIGHT IN FAVOR. NO OBJECTION FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS OR PRIVATE UTILITIES. THIS REQUEST WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED UNDER CASE 24P32, BUT WAS DENIED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 8TH DUE TO THE APPLICANT'S LICENSING ISSUES WITH THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AND THE APPLICANT HAS REAPPLIED. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL ONE FLOCK LICENSE PLATE READER, CAMERA AND SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT ON THE EAST BEACH DRIVE RIGHT OF WAY. PLEASE REFER TO EXHIBIT B FOR THE EXTENT OF THE PROPOSED ENCROACHMENT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A FLOCK CAMERA POLE AND SUPPORTING EQUIPMENT AS DEPICTED IN EXHIBIT B, THE CAMERA EQUIPMENT WILL BE MOUNTED ON A 14 FOOT POLE SIMILAR TO A SIGN POLE. THE PROPOSED CAMERA POLE WILL BE SITUATED APPROXIMATELY 20FT FROM THE EDGE OF THE BRICK PAVEMENT ON EAST BEACH DRIVE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE CASE BE APPROVED, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH THREE AND THEN WE HAVE STANDARD CONDITIONS FOUR THROUGH NINE AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. THIS IS AN AERIAL SHOWING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WHICH IS THE ISLANDER EAST. THIS IS A PHOTO SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE FLOCK CAMERA AND THEN AN EXHIBIT SHOWING THE DESIGN AND LOCATION AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CATHERINE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, CATHERINE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. A LICENSE TO USE IS PERMANENT. IT'S SEMI PERMANENT. IT'S SUBJECT TO TO RENEWAL EVERY YEAR. AND THEN THE CITY, EITHER PARTY CAN WITHDRAW IT WITH 90 DAYS NOTICE. AND WHAT WOULD BE SOME CAUSES FOR REVOCATION IF WE FOUND THAT IT BECAME A PUBLIC NUISANCE? THEN IT COULD BE REVOKED. OKAY. THANK YOU. DONNA. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS FALLS UNDER CODE OF ORDINANCES. NOT MORE SO THAN LDR STUFF. AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS PLANNING COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY IN GRANTING OR DENYING LTU'S AND WHO CAN APPLY FOR THESE? IS IT OPEN TO ANYONE CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR AN LTU. SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT A COUPLE OF WAYS. AND I SEE CATHERINE LOOKING AT ME. I DO BELIEVE ANYONE CAN APPLY FOR AN LTU IF IT'S WITHIN THEIR SPHERE OF APPLYING FOR AN LTU. NO ONE WANTS TO APPLY FOR AN L2 TO PUT A COW, SO TO SPEAK, IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY IF IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY OR IN FRONT OF A PROPERTY, IF IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY. I MEAN, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I THINK IF IT'S IN THEIR SPHERE OF REASONABLENESS OF APPLYING FOR AN L2 TO USE THEIR PROPERTY IN A CERTAIN WAY AND IT FALLS WITHIN THE CODE, THEN THEY CAN APPLY FOR IT. BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION IS THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO RECEIVE THE APPLICATION AND TO REVIEW THAT APPLICATION. THE L2 IS JUST A LICENSE TO USE A PORTION OF A CITY RIGHT OF WAY. SOMETIMES WHEN WE GET APPLICATIONS, IS THERE A TENDENCY TO LOOK AT THE SCENARIOS THAT CAN HAPPEN BASED ON EITHER GRANTING OR NOT GRANTING THAT LTU CLEARLY. IS THERE THE POSSIBILITY OF READING INTO WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF GRANTING AN LTU. CLEARLY YOU GUYS ARE? YOU FOLKS COME WITH EXPERIENCES, YOU COME WITH CONCERNS. YOU AND SO YOU BRING ALL OF THAT TO THE TABLE. YOU'RE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO BRING ALL OF THOSE EXPERIENCES, CONCERNS, GOOD AND BAD, TO THE TABLE WHEN YOU REVIEW THESE CASES. BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE APPLICANT AND SAY, DOES IT FALL WITHIN THE THE RULES, HOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED AND AS IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS? WHAT ARE THOSE OBJECTIONS, IF ANY? HAVE THOSE BEEN ADDRESSED? THIS PARTICULAR CASE DEALS WITH, AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, CLEARLY PRIVACY CONCERNS AND SO PRIVACY ISSUES. WHEN I'VE LOOKED AT THE PRIVACY ISSUES, I THINK FOR HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO [00:10:10] HAVE TO SEPARATE THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE LTU IS JUST TO ERECT A POLE WITH A CAMERA ON IT. IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO SEPARATE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT CAMERA OR NOT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? THEY'RE HERE. AND THE APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS SUPPLEMENT. AND IF I MISSPEAK BECAUSE I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE FLOCK SYSTEM AS, OF COURSE THEY WOULD BE, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO SPEAK TO THE SAFEGUARDS OF HOW THE MATERIAL IS COLLECTED, HOW THE MATERIAL CAN BE DISSEMINATED, IF THAT IS A CONCERN OF THIS BOARD. BUT ULTIMATELY THE DECISION HAS TO BE BASED ON WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED. AND IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE CONSIDERATIONS OF AND THE PARAMETERS OF THE LTU, WHICH IS A POLE WITH A CAMERA MOUNTED ON IT. BUT CLEARLY, IF THIS BOARD HAS SAFETY CONCERNS WITH AN LTU WHETHER THOSE ARE PRIVACY ISSUES OR WHETHER THOSE ARE MOBILITY ISSUES OR SIGHTLINE ISSUES, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED. OKAY, SO AND HERE'S WHAT'S THROWING ME JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THIS IS WE HAVE A THIRD PARTY BASICALLY WHO IS THE APPLICANT AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S WHO THE LTU WOULD BE GRANTED TO. SO JUST TO TAKE AS AN EXAMPLE, WE SEE THESE TURTLE CASES ALL THE TIME. THE TURTLE PEOPLE SHOW UP. BUT THE TURTLE PEOPLE, THE FOLKS WITH THE TURTLES, BUT IN THE INSTANCES WHERE THEY ARE PLACING A TURTLE, TYPICALLY IN FRONT OF A BUSINESS. THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THEM DOING THAT. SO IN THOSE CASES, I GUESS THE TURTLE PEOPLE ARE THE APPLICANT, BUT THEY SHOW UP KIND OF WITH THE FULL SUPPORT OF AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M JUST TRYING TO CONNECT THE PIECES OF. I MEAN, COULD ANYBODY COME GET AN LTU TO PUT A TURTLE IN MY FRONT YARD AND. NO. SORRY. YEAH. AND LICENSE TO USE REQUIRE APPLICATIONS. REQUIRE THE APPROVAL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY AND WE MAKE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY. THE APPLICANT MAY COME AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AND BE THE FACE, BUT THE AGREEMENT LIES WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. OH OKAY. THAT HELPS ME OUT A LOT. SO BACK TO THE FIRST PART OF MY QUESTION. WE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DISCRETION IN EITHER APPROVAL OR DENYING THESE. IS THAT CORRECT? AS WITH ANY CASE, THIS BOARD HAS DISCRETION IN APPROVING OR DENYING. AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, ESPECIALLY IN CONTROVERSIAL CASES, IF THERE'S A DENIAL, YOU SHOULD PUT THOSE COMMENTS AS TO DENIAL ON THE RECORD, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION. DOES THIS ONE GO TO CITY COUNCIL? NO,. SO IF THERE'S A DENIAL, PUT THOSE COMMENTS SO THAT IF IT EVER GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE, THE REVIEWER WILL BE ABLE TO SAY YES, THIS BOARD REVIEWED IT. IT WASN'T ARBITRARY OR CAPRICIOUS AND THESE ARE THEIR REASONINGS BEHIND IT. SO I ALWAYS RECOMMEND THAT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU AND I JUST THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. I JUST WANT A LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, SIR. TOM. AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS HAS BEEN ASKED BEFORE, BUT SO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS THERE A REASON THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR IT TO BE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY AS OPPOSED TO ON THE BUSINESSES PROPERTY? YES. THEY'VE INDICATED THAT THE CAMERA DOESN'T WORK IF IT'S THAT FAR AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY, THAT IN ORDER FOR IT TO FUNCTION FULLY, IT HAS TO BE IN THIS LOCATION CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY. BUT I GUESS THE APPLICANT OR THE BUSINESS THAT IS WANTS THIS IS THE CONDOS. RIGHT AND SO WOULDN'T IT BE MONITORING THEIR DRIVEWAY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US. SO ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS MIGHT BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT THEN WELL. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. APPLICANT PRESENT. COME FORWARD. TELL US WHO YOU ARE. SIGN IN FOR US. SO, MY NAME IS HECTOR SULEIMAN VALDEZ. [00:15:01] DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS FOR FLOCK SAFETY. I LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO KIND OF START OFF WITH GIVING YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON US AS A COMPANY AND THEN DIVING INTO THIS PROJECT. SO FLOCK SAFETY IS AN ATLANTA BASED COMPANY. WE WERE FOUNDED WHEN OUR CEO AND HIS NEIGHBORS SAW AN UPTICK IN CRIME IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AT THE TIME LAW ENFORCEMENT LET HIM KNOW THAT A LICENSE PLATE IS WHAT WAS NEEDED TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE. SO HE DID AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH ON LICENSE PLATE. READERS FOUND OUT THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME, BUT THEY WERE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. RIGHT. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT OUR START, WAS IN PROVIDING LAW ENFORCEMENT OBJECTIVE INFORMATION TO SOLVE CRIME. WE HAVE A SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE TYPE MODEL WHICH ALLOWS HOA'S CONDOMINIUMS, AS YOU SEE IN THIS CASE, TO BE ABLE TO FORM A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OF SORTS, WHERE THEY'RE PROVIDING LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH INFORMATION THAT HELPS SOLVE CRIME IN THEIR VICINITY. TODAY, THE OR THE PROJECT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU AS KIND OF ONE OF THE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ALLUDING TO IS ASKING FOR ONE OF OUR DEVICES TO BE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY FOR CAMERAS THAT BELONG TO PRIVATE ENTITIES. WE ALWAYS STRIVE TO PUT IT IN PRIVATE PROPERTY. IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS OR TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL THEM QUICKLY FOR THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE ALSO DO PARTNER WITH OVER 5000 POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE. MANY TIMES THOSE ARE POLICE DEPARTMENTS, AND THEY WOULD BE APPLYING TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN THOSE CASES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CITY. AS FAR AS THE TECHNOLOGY ITSELF AND WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE DATA THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED IN THESE CAMERAS AND THE LOCATION, THIS CONDOMINIUM, IN ORDER FOR THEIR DEPLOYMENT TO FULLY CAPTURE THE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE PLACED IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE OF LIMITATIONS OF KIND OF THE GEOGRAPHY THERE. WHAT IS CAPTURED? THE OUR DEVICES CAPTURE THE BACK OF VEHICLES AND THE LICENSE PLATE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE VEHICLES. THEN LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN SEARCH THE SYSTEM BY ENTERING A CASE NUMBER. SO THERE'S A CALL FOR SERVICE, THERE'S AN AUDIT TRAIL, AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO START AN INVESTIGATION. SO THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF AN INVESTIGATION. LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY IS ALSO ABLE TO RECEIVE HOTLIST ALERTS THROUGH THE SYSTEM OF STOLEN VEHICLES, FELONY VEHICLES, ETC.. AND SO THAT ALLOWS LAW ENFORCEMENT IN YOUR WHICH GALVESTON PD HAS AN MOU WITH US TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO A STOLEN VEHICLE THAT MAY HAVE ENTERED THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S A CRIME ALREADY. BUT THERE MAY BE TYPICALLY OTHER CRIMES THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND SO GENERALLY, THAT'S THE KIND OF THE DESIRE IS TO HELP LAW ENFORCEMENT SOLVE CRIME. WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS FROM YOUR LOCAL STOLEN VEHICLE TASK FORCE THAT CAN EXPLAIN HOW THEY USE IT LOCALLY. BUT I WILL SAY NATIONWIDE, THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IS HELPING SOLVE FLOCK. TECHNOLOGY IS HELPING SOLVE 10% OF REPORTED CRIME AND SO THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT NUMBER BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT'S HOLDING A CASE FROM BEING SOLVED IS OBJECTIVE INFORMATION. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS PROJECT. SURE. ANY QUESTIONS? TOM. YEAH. SO I GUESS JUST WHY WOULD IT NEED TO BE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AS OPPOSED TO ON THE PROPERTY. I GUESS MAYBE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY. YEAH, LIMITATIONS. SO THERE'S A FIELD OF VISION THAT IN THIS AREA WE WERE TO BE PLACED IN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE TOO FAR AWAY FOR THE CAMERA TO ACCURATELY READ THE PLATES AS THEY'RE COMING INTO TO THEIR PROPERTY. AND SO ONE CAMERA WOULD COVER BOTH ENTRANCE EXIT AREAS. AND SO IN THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, THERE'S THREE CAMERAS. THIS ONE OR SITE. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS TO IN ORDER TO CAPTURE BECAUSE WE ARE CAPTURING THE BACK OF VEHICLES. SO REMEMBER ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE CAPTURING GOING IN ONE OUT AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS THERE WOULD BE THREE CAMERAS, TWO ON THE PROPERTY AND ONE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE PERMIT TO USE THE ONE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, STAN? YES, MA'AM. THOSE TWO CAMERAS ALREADY IN PLACE, I WOULD, ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALREADY IN PLACE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. COULD YOU. CORRECT. SO THE VEHICLES ARE COMING. THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THE CAMERA GOES TO THE ROADWAY. YES. NOT TO THEIR ENTRANCES OR EXITS TO CAPTURE THE VEHICLES. I DON'T THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT. SO WHY DON'T I GET YOU? [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. SO WHY DON'T. YEAH. SO IF. LOOK, WE'RE JUST. I'M RON GWYNNE. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT PALISADE PALMS CONDOMINIUMS ON 801 EAST BEACH DRIVE. [00:20:02] LET ME GET MY NAME HERE. OH. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE. NO PROBLEM. NO, THIS IS KIND OF CONFUSING. IT STARTED I WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINATORS OF IT. WE PROVIDE 116 PARKING PLACES FOR PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS AT PALISADE PALMS, WHICH WE'RE GLAD TO DO. ANYBODY GOING TO THE BEACH? AND A LOT OF LOCALS USE OUR AREA BECAUSE IT'S PAVED ALL THE WAY. NICE BOARDWALK, ADA COMPLIANT. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. THE PEOPLE IN THAT PUBLIC BEACH INTERACT WITH OUR OWNERS AND GUESTS AT THE VERY END, IN JANUARY OF 2023. LET ME FINISH THIS. THERE WAS A MURDER ON BODDICKER DRIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL IT. A FISHERMAN WAS MURDERED. HIS TRIAL WAS TWO WEEKS AGO AND FOUND GUILTY, BUT THE SUSPECT WAS LATER ARRESTED, I THINK. I DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN MAYBE TELL ME. DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED? IT WASN'T IMMEDIATE. IT WAS KIND OF A DELAY. BUT PART OF THE INSPECTION. I'M PART OF THE INVESTIGATION. AND THE GALVESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT THE CAMERAS IN THE AREA, WHICH WE WE HAVE CAMERAS. WE HAVE CAMERAS ON THAT PARKING LOT. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT SUSPECT SET IN THAT PUBLIC BEACH PARKING LOT FOR 1.5 HOURS, JUST SITTING THERE. NOW NOTHING HAPPENED, BUT THEY WERE SITTING THERE. NOW, PART OF THE FLOCK SYSTEM IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THE LICENSE PLATES, BUT YOU CAN ALSO PUT IN SEARCH PARAMETERS. YOU CAN PUT IN WHITE VEHICLE, PUT IN SEDAN. YOU CAN PUT IN SUV. THE POLICE WERE LOOKING FOR A WHITE FOUR DOOR CAR. HAD FLOCK BEEN ON EAST BEACH DRIVE. AND WE WANT THIS CAMERA TO CATCH EVERY VEHICLE COMING DOWN EAST BEACH DRIVE. HOW MANY PARKING PLACES IS BEACH TOWN HAVE FOR PUBLIC? 200. WE HAVE ABOUT 200 PUBLIC BEACH PARKING PLACES IN BEACH TOWN. SO OUR DESIRE IS TO CATCH WHO'S COMING DOWN EAST BEACH DRIVE. THAT'S ALL WE WANT TO KNOW AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE DATA. WE DON'T GET ALERTED OR. I LIKE TO COMMENT. THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE SAID THE FRONT DESK CLERKS WOULD BE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT EVERYBODY AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY WOULD IF WE HAD THAT ACCESS. SO WE DON'T GET THAT ACCESS. WE CANNOT SEE ANY OF THE DATA. BUT IF THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO'S A CRIMINAL OR THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, IN THIS CASE, A WHITE FOUR DOOR CAR, THE POLICE WOULD KNOW THEY'RE ON OUR DRIVE SO AND THEY COULD REACT ACCORDINGLY. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT IF SOMEONE COMES DOWN EAST BEACH DRIVE AND THEY'RE CRIMINAL. FOR SOME REASON, RECENTLY IT SEEMS LIKE THE CRIMINALS COME TO GALVESTON TO A DEAD END AND RUN UP INTO THE OCEAN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE POLICE TO BE ALERTED AND COME OUT AND TO INVESTIGATE. NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS TO BE INSTALLED AT OUR COST. NO COST TO THE CITY. WE JUST NEED THE LICENSE TO USE. ANY QUESTIONS? GOT A QUICK QUESTION? SO YOU ARE. TELL ME YOUR NAME. RON GWEN, GENERAL MANAGER AT PALISADE PALMS. THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE, FOUR ENTITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS. ISLANDER, EAST AND THEIR GENERAL MANAGERS BACK HERE. OKAY, PERFECT. PALISADE PALMS. THE GALVESTONIANS. SHE'S RIGHT HERE. MICHELLE'S HERE. OKAY. AND THEN BEACH TOWN WITH TOFI. OKAY, SO ALL FOUR OF US GOT TOGETHER TO PATROL EAST BEACH DRIVE. OKAY, SO WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE COLLECTIVELY IS PARTNERED, FOR LACK OF ANOTHER WORD WITH THE FLOCK SAFETY GUYS. YES, IS THAT? WOULD THAT BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT. ALL RIGHT, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? WELL, JUST ONE IF WE COULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO SHOW ON THE PICTURE DIAGRAM, I'M LOOKING HERE THE OVERHEAD VIEW. THERE'S AN OVERHEAD VIEW THAT SHOWS THE PROPERTY. OVERHEAD VIEW. I'VE GOT IT IN MY I'VE GOT IT IN THE PACKAGE HERE. SO I WOULD ASSUME YOU ALL HAVE IT. IS THIS AERIAL VIEW. AERIAL VIEW. YEAH. IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE PUT INTO THE POWERPOINT. SO WHAT WE HAVE IN THE POWERPOINT IS THESE TWO PICTURES AND THEN THE JUST A PLAIN AERIAL. YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S GOING. OKAY. THEN. IN RELATION TO THE DRIVEWAY IN RELATION TO THE PROPERTY, THE CAMERA WOULD BE PLACED IN FRONT OF THE THIS PROPERTY, THE PALISADE. YEAH. THAT'S PALISADES AND SO ISLANDER SO THAT IT WOULD BE PLACED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE ISLANDER ON THE RIGHT OF WAY AT FACING WHAT DIRECTION WOULD IT BE FACING? I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO THE WAY THE CAMERAS WORK IS THAT THEY WILL TAKE AN IMAGE OF A CAR. ONCE IT PASSES, IT TAKES AN IMAGE OF THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE. SO IT'S FACING BASICALLY, IF THE CAMERA IS LOOKING THIS WAY, VEHICLES ARE PASSING IN THAT DIRECTION. SO IT'LL BE FACING WEST, EAST, EAST. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LACK OF LOCAL GEOGRAPHY. [00:25:03] DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE? [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S, IT SEEMS TO BE EAST. OKAY, THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL BE TAKING PHOTOGRAPHS OF CARS TRAVELING EAST ON EAST BEACH DRIVE. WHAT APPEARS TO BE. YES AND AS YOU SEE THE IMAGE ON THE STREET VIEW NEXT TO IT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CAMERA AND THE FIELD OF VISION IS REPRESENTED WITH THAT YELLOW KIND OF TRIANGLE SHAPE. YOU SEE THAT IT'S LOOKING NORTHEAST. SO AS YOU'RE STANDING ON THE ROAD, THAT ROAD IS GOING NORTHEAST. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM. YOU MENTIONED THAT A PREVIOUS SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD LICENSE PLATES CAPTURED, BUT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO PULL UP MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FLOCK SYSTEM, SO. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT YOU WON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA. EXPLAIN TO ME, HOW ARE YOU? CAN I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME, I'M SORRY. [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S OKAY. SORRY. WHO CAPTURES THIS DATA? HOW IS IT STORED? BECAUSE MOST OF US KNOW THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT'S CAPTURED BY PUBLIC ENTITIES IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO THIS YOU'RE WANTING TO CAPTURE INFORMATION ON A PUBLIC STREET, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN CAPTURING PEOPLE COMING ON AND OFF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY. BUT THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST GOING DOWN EACH BEAST DRIVE. SO WHO CAPTURES THAT INFORMATION? WHERE IS IT STORED? IS IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? I MEAN, EXPLAIN THAT TO ME, PLEASE. YEAH. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF PARTS OF THAT QUESTION. FIRST IS WHERE IS THE DATA STORED? THE DATA IS STORED IN AWS GOVERNMENT CLOUD. SO IT'S ENCRYPTED END TO END. THAT'S THE SAME TYPE OF SERVERS USED BY FEDERAL AGENCIES ETC. FOR KIND OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION. THE DATA IS ALSO ONLY STORED FOR 30 DAYS. IT'S HARD TO DELETE IT AT THAT POINT. THAT'S ALSO JUST IMPORTANT TO MENTION. THE DATA IS IN THIS CASE WOULD BE OWNED BY THE CUSTOMER, THE CONDOMINIUM, BUT ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SEARCH THE SYSTEM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS LOCALLY CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE SOFTWARE OR ACCESS THE SYSTEM, HAVE TO ENTER IN A SEARCH REASON WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CASE OR IF IT'S A HOTLIST ALERT. RIGHT. SO THEY'RE PROACTIVELY BEING ALERTED TO A STOLEN VEHICLE GOING DOWN THE STREET. IT WILL POP UP IN THEIR VEHICLE'S COMPUTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, AT DISPATCH, LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S THERE. AS FAR AS LIKE THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC RECORDS TYPE OF REQUEST PORTION OF THE QUESTION. THIS DATA IS TYPICALLY NOT ASSOCIATED WITH WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS LAW ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION. RIGHT. SO HOTLIST ALERTS ARE ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN SEARCH THE SYSTEM WITHIN THEIR POLICY. NOT AN ATTORNEY CANNOT GIVE YOU LEGAL ADVICE. BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS TYPE OF DATA IS VIEWED. CAN I ANSWER HER QUESTION ABOUT THE MURDERER'S VEHICLE? YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I MAY NOT MAKE MYSELF CLEAR ON THAT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE HIS LICENSE PLATE. THEY HAD A DESCRIPTION OF A WHITE FOUR DOOR CAR AND THE FLOCK SYSTEM. THIS GENTLEMAN HERE COULD PUT IN A WHITE FOUR DOOR CAR AND LOOK IN OUR CAMERAS. WHAT'S CAPTURED THERE AND IT WOULD PULL UP ALL WHITE FOUR DOOR CARS WITHIN THAT TIME PARAMETER. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY TO SEARCH. YOU MENTIONED THE PERSON SETTING THEIR CAR FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. HOW DID Y'ALL KNOW THAT THE POLICE CAME AND ACTUALLY WATCHED SO IT WASN'T RECORDED ON ANY OF YOUR SYSTEMS? YEAH, IT WAS. IT WAS BUILDING CAMERAS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HIS LICENSE PLATE. WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE WAS WANTED. THIS WAS WEEKS AFTER WHEN THEY FOUND THAT INFORMATION. AND THIS WAS USED IN COURT AS ONE OF THE EXHIBITS THAT THEY WERE IN THE AREA. SO WE WERE ACTUALLY SUBPOENAED AND WE HAD TO DO A WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, THE DEPOSITION, THAT WAS INDEED OUR CAMERA AND THAT WAS HIS VEHICLE. BUT IF IT HAD IT, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A WHITE VEHICLE. THEY COULD HAVE FOUND IT. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD SYSTEMS. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CONDOMINIUM, THEY DO OWN THE DATA, SO CONTRACTUALLY THEY OWN THE DATA. BUT THEY'RE GIVING UP ACCESS AND ONLY GIVING THAT TO THE LOCAL PD. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANTHONY. SO I'LL COME TO YOU. I'M CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT. SO ACCORDING TO THIS DOCUMENT, IT SAYS BEACH TOWN COMMUNITY FOUNDATION CORPORATION IS THE EQUIPMENT OWNER. NO, THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS. THIS IS YOUR DOCUMENT. IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. WHAT PAGE IS THAT? [00:30:02] SHE T-01. SO I CAN TELL YOU. SO THE EQUIPMENT IS OWNED BY FLOCK. THE HARDWARE THAT'S PART OF OUR SERVICE MODEL. I'M HAPPY TO DIG INTO THAT. BUT THE EQUIPMENT. SO IS IT PALISADE? PALMS ISLAND OR EAST? ALL OF THEM ARE OUR CLIENTS. THE DATE WE BASICALLY ARE. THE WAY OUR BUSINESS MODEL WORKS IS THAT WE OWN THE HARDWARE SO THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE CAMERAS RUNNING, ETC. THEY GO DOWN, OUR TECHNICIANS ARE ABLE TO GO AND REPLACE THEM FOR THEM. SO WE PROVIDE ALL OF THAT SERVICE. BUT THE DATA, WHICH THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVACY, IS NOT ACCESSED OR SOLD BY FLOCK AND THAT'S WHY HAVING THE PRIVATE ENTITIES OR THE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES OWN IT IS IMPORTANT. AND I'M CURIOUS, WHY IS GALVESTONIANS NOT A PART OF THIS? THEY ARE. [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. SO OKAY, I HEAR YOU. I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I THINK WE'LL TALK ABOUT AS A COMMISSION, BUT I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT I ASKED STAFF TO CHECK WITH THE GALVESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT ON SOME BASIC CRIME STATISTICS FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR WHAT YOU'RE NOW CALLING THE BEACH TOWN, COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS AND THE DATA IS ALL GONE DOWN. PERSONAL PROPERTY OR PROPERTY CRIMES? CRIMES AGAINST PEOPLE, CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY. AS THE WAY THE GALVESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CLASSIFIES IT. ALL OF THIS DATA HAS GONE DOWN. CRIMES ARE DOWN IN GALVESTON FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS. SO WHAT YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION ABOUT IS A CRIME DETERRENT. I DON'T GET IT. NOW, THERE MAY BE 200 SPACES FOR PARKING AND BEACH TOWN, BUT MAYBE 20 OF THEM, 30 OF THEM ARE FILLED UP BY CONTRACTORS ON ANY GIVEN DAY. IT'S NOT THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO THE OTHER PIECE IS ISLANDER EAST. INITIALLY WHEN THIS WAS PRESENTED, IT WAS PRESENTED THAT THIS WAS AN ISLANDER EAST THING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION FOR ME AND IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY I MEAN, THIS IS LIKE THE EXTENT OF YOUR APPLICATION. IT'S LIKE SIX LITTLE SENTENCES AND IT'S KIND OF JUST LIKE VERY BARE AND SPARE IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU'VE GOT TWO CAMERAS ALREADY INSTALLED AT ISLANDER EAST. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO. SO I'M ASKING MR. FLOCK. SO CAN I JUST. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S. WHAT'S WHAT. I JUST WANT TO INTERRUPT FOR A QUICK SECOND. YEAH. BECAUSE I DO HEAR CHATTER IN THE BACK AND NOT TO DISRESPECT USING IT CHATTER. BUT I THINK IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO SAY, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU COME UP BECAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF THE HOA. SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU COME UP BECAUSE YOU ALSO HAVE A VIEWPOINT AND JUST COME UP HERE SO YOU CAN SPEAK. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS MAY ACTUALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BY ONE OF THE HOA PERSONS RATHER THAN MR. FLOCK HERE. OKAY. SO BUT I MEAN MR. FLOCK. I GET PAID BY THEM. IT'S OKAY. VALDEZ. I DIDN'T WRITE HIS NAME DOWN, MR. VALDEZ. OKAY. SO, MR. VALDEZ, BUT YOU DID SAY. DID YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE YOUR COMPANY HAS AN MOU WITH THE CITY OF GALVESTON OR WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? SO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS THE END USERS HAS AN MOU TO ACCESS THE SYSTEM AND I THINK THE OTHER PORTION OF YOUR QUESTION WAS JUST ON THE NEED AND THE DESIRES FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP SAFE. SO I WOULD DEFINITELY DEFER TO THEM ON TO HOW THIS PROJECT CAME ABOUT FROM THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAY I ASK A TECHNICAL QUESTION? ARE YOU PREPARED FOR [INAUDIBLE]? YES, IF YOU'D LIKE. SURE. OKAY, THAT WAS THE SECOND PART TO YOUR QUESTION BEFORE, MR. COMMISSIONER HUMPHREY. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE DATA RIGHT NOW FOR GALVESTON SHOWS THAT THERE'S BEEN A LESSENING OF CRIME ON THE ISLAND AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT PALISADE PALMS. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN BEACH TOWN. I RESPECT MR. SHIRAZI AND THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE THERE AT BEACH TOWN. WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE? OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, WE WANT TO THANK POLICE OF GALVESTON WHO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE THE CRIMES HERE TO UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT. WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES WHERE WE DECIDED THAT IN THE EASTERN AFGHANISTAN THE COMMUNITIES ARE INVOLVED. WHOEVER WANTS TO PARTICIPATE COME IN. SO THIS IS NOT JUST FOR BEACH TOWNS. THIS IS NOT JUST FOR PALISADE FARM OR OTHERS. SO WE ALL GOT TOGETHER AND WE AGREED AND I AGREE THAT THIS DATA IS NOT FOR US. OKAY. THE DATA IS FOR POLICE. LIKE THE STORY THAT MR. ANYONE SAID BROUGHT UP IS THAT ONE DAY I WAS DRIVING ON THE WEST OF EAST OF BEACH TOWN AND I SAW ONE CAR WAS PARKED AT THE STOP SIGN. IT WAS NOT MOVING, AND I WENT BY ROLLING MY WINDOW AND SAID SAY HELLO TO HIM. HE WOULDN'T MOVE. AND I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? WHAT DO YOU NEED? HE SAID, I KILLED HIM, I SAID, WHO DID YOU KILL? [00:35:05] I SAID, MY MOTHER AND MY UNCLE, THIS GUY CAME FROM, I DON'T KNOW, ARKANSAS SOMEWHERE. HE CAME BASICALLY CAME DEAD END DEAD TO BEACH DOWN AT THE END, WHICH YOU CANNOT GO NOWHERE ELSE AFTER THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SO IT'S FOR POLICE TO COME. SO WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE. THE POLICE CAME AND SAID, STAY AWAY FROM THEM. DON'T DO ANYTHING. GO HOME AND THEN THE POLICE CAME AND TOOK CARE OF THAT. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS DATA IS NOT FOR US. THIS DATA HAS BEEN COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF HOUSTON, EVEN IN GALVESTON. PIRATES BEACH HAS GOT 20 OF THEM AND THIS IS FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT. IF A KID IS STOLEN IN WYOMING OR IN EL PASO AND THEY HAVE A LICENSE PLATE OR THE CAR DESCRIPTION, IF THAT CAR PASSES BY THAT CAMERA SHOULD BE ABLE TO PICK IT UP AND REPORT IT. THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THAT. AND FOR US. [INAUDIBLE]. WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN CAMERAS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT, AND WE ALSO HAVE RECORDED DOCUMENT FOR THE POLICY OF THE CAMERAS. BUT THIS IS TO SUPPORT AND THE POLICE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN A KID IS STOLEN. THIS WILL BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT TOOL NOW IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON. EVERY DAY ANOTHER COMMUNITY, ANOTHER COMMUNITY JOINS THIS CITY. WE HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN FLOOD CAMERAS. THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THAT CREATES AND WE HAVE ASKED. I WENT TO THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, ASKED THEM, HAS IT BEEN USEFUL FOR [INAUDIBLE]. OTHERWISE WE HAVE AND THE REASON THERE ARE FOUR COMMUNITIES INVOLVED IN HERE, IT IS NOT FOR ANY ONE OF US. WE DO NOT GET TO WATCH THOSE CAMERAS, BUT WE DO NOT GET TO WATCH THOSE VIDEOS OR WHATEVER IT IS. DOCUMENTS. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. MR. SHIRAZI, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID AT THE BEGINNING. WE COULD COME UP WITH A HUNDRED DIFFERENT SCENARIOS ON THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST. ARE YOUR ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN BEACH TOWN RIGHT NOW? ARE THEY EXPERIENCING VANDALISM? ARE PEOPLE BREAKING INTO THEIR HOMES? ARE PEOPLE VANDALIZING CARS IN BEACH TOWN? I MEAN, I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST WALK INTO PALISADE PALMS. YOU CAN'T JUST WALK INTO THE GALVESTONIANS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ON JR EAST, BUT THE OTHER TWO, I KNOW YOU CAN'T JUST WALK IN THERE. SO AND [INAUDIBLE]. BUT THE POLICE REPORTS DON'T SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T KNOW HAVE YOU READ ALL THE POLICE REPORTS ABOUT IT? [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. YOU YOU JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION. WELL, THE BUT THIS IS NOT A COST TO YOU, BUT IT'S A BENEFIT TO YOU. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT JUST TO JUMP TO THE WORST CASE SCENARIO ABOUT MURDER AND AMBER ALERTS, THOSE ARE HAPPENING EVERY DAY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IS BEACH TOWN OR BEACH TOWN HOMES BEING VANDALIZED RIGHT NOW THIS YEAR. THE DATA DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND I GET THE NEED FOR SECURITY, AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE SAFE IN THEIR HOMES AND PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY. I GET IT COMPLETELY. BUT TO HAVE A CAMERA THAT'S SAYING THAT JUST CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF EVERYBODY WHO GOES UP AND DOWN EAST BEACH DRIVE, WHO'S GOING TO GO FISHING OR TAKE THEIR KIDS TO THE BEACH OR GO WALK THEIR DOG TO ME, IT'S JUST IT'S OVERKILL. THAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW AND A WHOLE NOTHER SIDE ISSUE IS THE HISTORY OF THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY. NOT JUST HERE IN TEXAS, BUT AROUND THE COUNTRY. THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE A LOT OF TIME ON THAT. YOU JUST CAN GOOGLE IT AND FIND OUT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING IS BEACH TOWN EXPERIENCE. THAT'S MY QUESTION. IS BEACH TOWN EXPERIENCING CRIME RIGHT NOW? PROPERTY CRIME? VANDALISM? I KNOW THEM, YES. THEY GO THEY GO TO HOMES. THEY GO TO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND. BUT WHY IS IT NOT IN THE POLICE DATA? [INAUDIBLE]. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OFFICE THAT THEY GO AND TALK TO THEM AND THEY ASK THEM TO LEAVE. THAT'S ALL THERE IS. AND IF THEY ACTUALLY POLICE ALSO FROM TIME TO TIME, THEY COME IN AND ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. BUT THE POLICE KEEP A RECORD EVERY TIME THEY'RE CALLED. THEY MAY NOT FILE A REPORT, BUT THEY KEEP A RECORD OF WHEN THEY'RE CALLED TO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES AND THERE'S NO DATA. WE HAVE HAD AND OUR BUSINESS HAS ALREADY BEEN PATROLLED [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. YOU HAVE PRIVATE SECURITY I GET IT RIGHT. SO THOSE ARE NOT REPORTED TO THE POLICE UNLESS IT BECOMES SOMETHING SERIOUS. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS IS LIKE IN THE PIRATE SPEECH. THEY HAVE 20 OF THESE AND THEY ARE VERY. BUT IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AT PIRATE'S BEACH. IT'S NOT ON THE CITY EASEMENT. DO YOU KNOW THAT ACCORDING TO STAFF, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER USE FOR FLOCK CAMERAS? OKAY. [INAUDIBLE]. DOES ANY OF THE OTHER HOA WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS QUESTION AS WELL? [00:40:02] I'M THE GM AT ISLANDER EAST. IF YOU DON'T MIND, COME FORWARD. MY NAME IS RON ADKINS. I'M THE GM AT ISLANDER EAST. ALL OF THE OWNERS ARE FOR HAVING THE LICENSE PLATE READER. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S A LICENSE PLATE READER. WE'RE NOT USING IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE. IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE POLICE. WE CAN'T ACCESS IT. WE HAVE OUR OWN CAMERAS FOR THAT. THE REASON ISLANDER EAST IS INFORMATION IS ON THE PAPERWORK IS BECAUSE IT'S IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING, NOT THE PALISADE PALMS OR THE GALVESTONIANS. SO IT IS A MULTI-COMMUNITY THING THAT'S WANTING TO DO IT. I DON'T LIVE ON THE ISLAND. I LIVE IN LEAGUE CITY. THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THEY CATCH CRIME. THEY CATCH PEOPLE WITH STOLEN CARS. PEOPLE THAT JUST KILLED SOMEBODY. HE HEARD ABOUT A MURDER. THERE WAS ANOTHER MURDER. I SAT AND WATCHED LIKE 15 COPS GET A KIDNAPED LADY OUT OF A BACK OF A TRUCK ONE TIME IN FRONT OF ISLANDER EAST. SO CRIME DOES GO DOWN THROUGH THERE. YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. OTHER PEOPLE DO, AND THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HI. MY NAME IS MICHELLE LONERGAN. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE GALVESTONIANS. I'VE ONLY BEEN IN GALVESTON ABOUT FOUR YEARS. I WORKED IN HOUSTON FOR 16 YEARS AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO EMBRACE THE FLOCK CAMERA. I ACTUALLY LIVE IN MANVILLE, AND WE JUST EMBRACE THE FLOCK CAMERAS. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A HIGH CRIME RATE DOWN IN EAST BEACH BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT A SAFETY SECURITY. SO I THINK THAT IMPLEMENTING THE FLOCK CAMERA WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BEING PROACTIVE AS OPPOSED TO REACTIVE, WHICH IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO, THEY REACT TO. OH MY GOSH, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF CRIME. LET'S PUT UP SOME MORE CAMERAS. LET'S JUST BE PROACTIVE. I MEAN, LIKE RON SAID, WE WERE APPROACHED AND SAID, DO Y'ALL WANT TO GO IN WITH THIS FINANCIALLY? AND WE COULD SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IN GALVESTON AND WE HAD OUR BOARD MEETINGS AND TALKED WITH OUR HOMEOWNERS. THEY ALL AGREED. SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY, IS THAT WE WERE WE CAME TOGETHER AND TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER THING THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO THIS TABLE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S AT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, BECAUSE NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW. BUT MARGARITAVILLE IS GOING TO BE PUT IN DOWN ON THE EAST BEACH, AND IT'S GOING TO BRING A LOT MORE TRAFFIC TO OUR AREA. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, MR. RIOS. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC DOWN ON OUR END RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS THAT PEOPLE FEEL SECURE. I HAVE CAUGHT NUMEROUS IN MY FOUR YEARS AT THE GALVESTON, AND WHEN I SAY NUMEROUS SIX. SO THAT'S MORE THAN ONE A YEAR. PEOPLE PARKED IN THE FRONT OF MY TENNIS COURTS HAVING SEX. NOW, IS THAT A CRIME? NO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO COME DOWN THERE AND HAVE A CRIME. DID I REPORT THAT TO THE POLICE? NO, BUT WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME UP OUR RAMP AND PARK IN OUR PUBLIC PARKING, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRIVATE PARKING, BUT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT HAS SIGNS OUT THERE FOR GUESTS ONLY, BUT THEY WILL COME UP THERE AND PARK AND SIT THERE, AND WE HAVE TO GO OUT THERE AND KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY, EXCUSE ME AND THEY'RE EITHER SITTING THERE HAVING LUNCH OR THEY'RE SITTING THERE READING A BOOK OR AND SO THESE ARE NOT CRIMINALS, BUT JUST LIKE THE GUY WHO SAT FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF IN THE PUBLIC PARKING OVER AT PALISADES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING. MAYBE HE WAS CONTEMPLATING THAT HE JUST KILLED SOMEBODY AND WHAT ARE MY NEXT ACTIONS? MAYBE THAT HAPPENS TO US AS WELL. WE ALSO HAD A LIGHT POLE THAT WAS KNOCKED DOWN ON EAST BEACH AND EAST BEACH DRIVE. NOBODY KNOWS WHO DID IT. NOBODY KNOWS IF THEY GOT HURT, NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO LOOK IN OUR CAMERAS AND SEE THAT THEY DID PULL INTO OUR PARKING LOT AT THE VERY EDGE, AND THEN HAD A TOW TRUCK COME AND TOW THEM. THIS WAS IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE A MURDERER. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD JUST KIDNAPED SOMEBODY. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. SO WE'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD APPROVE IT OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS SO WE CAN GET TO THAT POINT. THANK YOU. MA'AM. YES, SIR. IS THERE A LOCATION ON THE GALVESTONIANS PROPERTY WHERE YOU CAN INSTALL A FLOCK CAMERA THAT WOULD JUST WORK FOR YOUR PROPERTY? SO THERE IS A FLOCK CAMERA INSTALLED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GALVESTONIANS. IT HAPPENS. WE DON'T NEED A RIGHT OF WAY FOR IT BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO THAT LAND. HAPPENS TO BELONG TO BEACH TOWN. BUT RIGHT AS SOON AS I PULL OUT OF THE GALVESTONIANS, THERE'S A FLOCK CAMERA RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. A LICENSE PLATE READER. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. THAT ONE'S NOT OPERATIONAL BECAUSE WE WANT TO. WE HAVE THREE TOTAL. THERE'S THREE TOTAL IN THIS WHOLE PROJECT. ONE IS MORE DOWN IN BEACH TOWN. ONE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GALVESTONIANS, AND THEN THE ONE DOWN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET APPROVED RIGHT NOW. THE OTHER TWO ARE ALREADY INSTALLED. CORRECT? CORRECT. [INAUDIBLE]. OH, [00:45:14] OKAY. YEAH. SO THERE ARE TWO OTHERS ALREADY INSTALLED. BUT NOT IN USE. HAS NOT NONE OF THEM GETS USED UNLESS WE PUT ALL OF THEM GOING FORWARD. OKAY. SO WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I LOOKED AT IT. IT'S REALLY ON A THE FLOCK SAFETY. THEY THOUGHT IT WAS ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY BUT IT WASN'T. WHEN I 2 OR 3 WEEKS AGO I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT. I SAID THIS IS BY THE SIDEWALK. HOW COULD THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, BE A PUBLIC PROPERTY, A PRIVATE PROPERTY? SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. SO THIS PERMIT WOULD BE, AND IF THIS GOES FORWARD, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE AN APPROVAL FOR THE OTHER TWO TO BE IN ON THE PUBLIC EASEMENT. I'M MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY. IS MR. SHIRAZI SAYING THAT THERE ARE TWO EXISTING CAMERAS INSTALLED ON PUBLIC PROPERTY WITHOUT APPROVAL? SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE AND WITHOUT THE SAFETY PEOPLE WHO INSTALLED THEM, THE PUBLIC SAFETY. WHEN THEY INSTALLED THEM, THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY WERE JUST LOCATING THE LOCATION OF THE CAMERA. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT OPERATIONAL AT THIS TIME, CORRECT? NO. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE REPLACED. CORRECT. SO THE GOAL WAS TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE IF IT WERE TO STAY THERE. THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY ON THE LOT LINE AS TO PRIVATE OR PUBLIC PROPERTY AND SO WHEN WE FOUND THAT OUT, THIS WAS ALREADY IN PROGRESS. SO I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT THOSE CAMERAS DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO LET'S THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TODAY. COMMISSIONER EDWARDS, I KNOW YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS. I DID. SO I THINK I REALLY WANT TO ASK DONNA A QUESTION. MR. FAIRWEATHER I IN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS, I NEVER REALLY GOT A CLARITY OF WHETHER OR NOT THE DATA WAS PUBLIC DATA AND COULD BE ACCESSED BY PUBLIC REQUEST. AND ACTUALLY, MY COMMENT TO THE COMMISSIONER IS THAT I DO SEE BEHIND ME ONE OF THE OFFICERS OR GUESTS FROM AUTO CRIMES. I THINK WE SHOULD HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY REGARDING THE DATA, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS AS IF AND FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THE DATA IS COLLECTED BY OR IS THIS IS SENT TO A PD AGENCY, A PUBLIC POLICE DEPARTMENT AGENCY. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HEAR HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. HE'S UP ALREADY. OH, THERE HE IS. FAST, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SIGN IN. STATE YOUR NAME. TELL US WHO YOU'RE WITH. I AM EMPLOYED BY GALVESTON PD. ASSIGNED TO THE GALVESTON COUNTY AUTO CRIMES TASK FORCE. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INVESTIGATING. GIOVANNI MARTINEZ. SORRY. I AM. WE ARE. OUR TASK FORCE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INVESTIGATING AUTO THEFT RELATED CRIMES. THROUGHOUT GALVESTON, BRAZORIA, AND MATAGORDA COUNTY. AS OUR COVERAGE AREAS. SO I'VE HAD ACCESS FOR FLOCK THROUGH FOR SOME TIME THROUGH THE GALVESTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO THE TASK FORCE IS RAN UNDER. BUT DIRECTLY TO GET TO YOUR QUESTION. SO WHEN THESE PLATES ARE COLLECTED BY THE CAMERAS, THEY'RE STORED IN A BASICALLY LIKE A CLOUD DATABASE. NOW IT IS CJIS COMPLIANT, WHICH IS A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT COMPLIANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO COLLECT THIS KIND OF DATA FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS A VERY RIGOROUS APPLICATION PROCESS THAT YOU EVEN HAVE TO GET THAT. I MEAN, CONSIDERING THAT, YOU KNOW, US MARSHALS, FEDERAL AGENCIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE USE THAT SAME LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM. SO IT'S COLLECTED IN A DATABASE THAT WE LOG INTO A WEBSITE USERNAME, PASSWORD AND WE CAN THEN BEGIN OUR SEARCH EITHER BY LICENSE PLATES VEHICLES COLORS MAKES MODELS TO TRY AND DETERMINE AND GATHER EITHER FINE LICENSE PLATES ON A SUSPECT VEHICLE OR TAKE A SUSPECT VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE THE LICENSE PLATE FOR, AND THEN SEARCH AND SEE IF IT WAS IN THE AREA. WHEN A CRIME OCCURRED. I WILL SAY JUST RIGHT OFF THE BAT THAT THIS I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR 11.5, A LITTLE OVER 11 YEARS DOING INVESTIGATIONS FOR THE PAST SIX PROPERTY CRIMES FOR TWO AND A HALF NOW, AUTO THEFT FOR TWO AND A HALF. THIS SAID PLATFORM HAS BEEN A COMPLETE GAME CHANGER FOR US AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, THE CRIMINALS ARE STARTING TO CATCH ON, SO THEY'RE STARTING TO USE STOLEN PLATES OR FAKE PLATES AND ALL THIS AND WHATNOT, BUT IT STILL HELPS US EVERY SINGLE DAY INCREASE OUR PRODUCTIVITY. [00:50:06] ON BEING ABLE TO CLEAR CASES AND MAKE ARRESTS AND FILE CHARGES AND WHATNOT. SO THE DATA IS COLLECTED, WE LOG INTO A DATABASE, WE RUN IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CASE NUMBER. YOU CANNOT EVEN PRESS SEARCH WITHOUT PUTTING A CASE NUMBER OR AN INCIDENT NUMBER THAT'S TIED TO IT. THAT WAY YOUR ADMINISTRATION CAN GO BACK AND CONDUCT AUTO TRAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT BEING ABUSED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YES. IT CAPTURES EVERY VEHICLE OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO CAPTURE EVERY VEHICLE THAT GOES BY IT. BUT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, I'LL BE HONEST, I COULD PROBABLY RUN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR LICENSE PLATE THROUGH FLOCK. AND IF Y'ALL EVER LEAVE THE ISLAND, YOUR PLATES, A PICTURE OF YOUR CAR IS PROBABLY ON THERE. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS LEAVE THE ISLAND ON A REGULAR BASIS, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL IMAGES OF ALL YOUR VEHICLES ON THERE, YOUR PASSING LICENSE PLATE READERS EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY DAY, AND NOT ONLY BEING ABLE TO SEARCH THE LICENSE PLATES TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE A SUSPECT. BECAUSE WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE HAVE TODAY? SECURITY CAMERAS. I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE EITHER HAVE BLINK, RING OR WHATEVER. SO WE'LL GET SECURITY IMAGES ON SUSPECT VEHICLES. NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, YOU'RE NOT GETTING A PLATE OFF OF THOSE. THAT'S WHERE WE RELY ON FLOCK TO BE ABLE TO OKAY, THIS TIME FRAME, THIS LOCATION, LET'S NARROW IT DOWN TO THESE VEHICLES AND THEN BAM, WE'RE ABLE TO GET A LICENSE PLATE AND DEVELOP AN INVESTIGATION FROM THERE. IS THERE ANOTHER MORE TO YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. I DON'T THINK YOU ACTUALLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION. ASK YOUR QUESTION ONE MORE TIME. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? DETECTIVE MARTINEZ. DETECTIVE MARTINEZ. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, SO MY QUESTION WAS, IS CAN A PUBLIC CITIZEN REQUEST AN OFFICIAL REQUEST FOR INFORMATION BE USED TO GATHER THIS DATA? NO. OKAY. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COMMISSIONER OR COMMISSION A QUESTION REGARDING AND MR. VALDEZ. YES. YOU COMMENTED ABOUT HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH, I'M GOING TO SAY, THE HOA'S AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. IS THAT AN MOU AND IS THERE IS THAT MOU IN PERPETUITY OR IS IT CONTRACTUAL YEAR BY YEAR? AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT AGREEMENT ENDS? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SYSTEM? SO OUR MOU IS IN PLACE WITH FLOCK TO ACCESS THE DATABASE AND IN LIEU OF HAVING THAT MOU WITH FLOCK TO ACCESS THEIR PLATFORM, THEN WE ARE ABLE TO ACCESS CAMERAS WITHIN OUR LOCAL AREAS OR NATIONWIDE, DEPENDING ON IF YOU HAVE CAMERAS, IF YOUR AGENCY HAS SUBSCRIPTION TO CAMERAS THEMSELVES OR NOT. SO. BUT NO, YOU CANNOT. IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE. SOMEBODY CANNOT FILL OUT A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST TO OBTAIN EVERY DRIVER'S LICENSE THAT I RUN ON A CERTAIN DAY, OR EVERY LICENSE PLATE THAT I'VE RUN ON A CERTAIN DAY. THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE SEA. JUST REGULATIONS AND RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE. SO THEY. BUT COULD THEY PUT A INFORMATION REQUEST IN ON THE FLOCK DATA? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. SO AND LET ME ASK YOU LET ME TELL YOU WHY I ASK THE QUESTION. BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IF I AM A SPOUSE OR A ESTRANGED HUSBAND. ESTRANGED HUSBAND. WIFE. WHATEVER. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE MY SPOUSE IS. I'M TRACKING THEM FOR WHATEVER CRAZY REASON AND I PUT IN A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS WEIRD, BUT, I MEAN, I CAN SEE WHERE SOMEONE COULD MISUSE THE DATA AND SO MY QUESTION IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO REQUEST A DATA OR ACCESS THE DATA IN THAT WAY? THAT DOESN'T SOUND WEIRD, BECAUSE I JUST RECENTLY CLOSED A COUPLE CASES WHERE AN EX HUSBAND'S PUTTING TRACKERS ON HIS WIFE'S CAR. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH AND THAT'S A VERY COMMON EXAMPLE THAT'S USED. SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND. RIGHT. SO IN ORDER FOR HIM TO ACCESS THE SYSTEM, HE HAS TO ENTER IN A CASE NUMBER. HIS POLICY DICTATES THAT HE HAS TO BE USING THE SYSTEM FOR LEGAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES AND SO OF COURSE I'M NOT YOUR CITY ATTORNEY. SO I WILL, YOU KNOW, DEFER TO THEM TO GIVE YOU THE LEGAL ADVICE. BUT GENERALLY, THE FEEDBACK THAT ATTORNEYS NATIONWIDE WERE IN OVER 5000 COMMUNITIES GIVE IS YOU WOULD THAT PERSON WOULD BE COMPELLING THE DEPARTMENT TO BREAK THEIR POLICY, WHICH IS PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC. AND SO THAT IS WHERE IT DOES NOT FALL INTO THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. TYPICALLY, PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAMS CAN BE HOW MANY? WHAT NUMBER OF PLATES HAVE BEEN SCANNED? HOW MANY SEARCHES? [00:55:01] RIGHT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE CITIES TRANSPARENCY PORTAL THAT HAS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION PROACTIVELY. SO THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY COMES UP OFTEN AND PEOPLE HAVE THAT CONCERN. BUT THIS IS JUST INFORMATION THAT IS PROTECTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND ANOTHER THING THAT I ALSO FAILED TO MENTION IS THAT WITHIN THE FLOCK SYSTEM FOR LPR, THERE'S NO DMV RECORDS. AND SO WHEN HE SEARCHES A VEHICLE IN OUR SYSTEM, LET'S SAY HE SEARCHES A PLATE OR JUST A VEHICLE DESCRIPTION. THAT'S AN INVESTIGATIVE LEAD. HE STILL HAS TO USE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING TO THEN SEE? OKAY. WHAT? WHO IS THAT VEHICLE REGISTERED TO THEN? AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BACK ME UP HERE AS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON. THEN YOU'D HAVE TO FIND OUT. WELL, WHO WAS POTENTIALLY DRIVING THAT VEHICLE. THAT'S ALL PART OF AN INVESTIGATION. SO THERE'S MANY OTHER STEPS THAT HAVE TO FALL IN WITHIN THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF THE DEPARTMENT. SO DO I UNDERSTAND THAT FLOCK USES AI TO GARNER THE LICENSE PLATES WHEN THEY USE WE USE MACHINE LEARNING TO BASICALLY THE WAY THAT THAT WORKS IS WE FEED IMAGES OF A MILLION WHITE TESLAS SO THAT THE OUR MACHINE LEARNING CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT. AND SO BACK THE BACK OF VEHICLES, SOMETHING I LEARNED IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS WORKING ON FLOCK. THEY'RE PRETTY UNIQUE AND SO THAT'S HOW WE TRAIN THE VEHICLES ON THE BACK OF CARS. ALSO, EVERY STATE REQUIRES A BACK PLATE. FOR EXAMPLE WE TRAIN THE SYSTEM IN HOW TO IDENTIFY A TEXAS PLATE VERSUS A FLORIDA PLATE VERSUS A RHODE ISLAND PLATE, AND THEN THE ALPHA, LIKE, WHAT'S A ONE, WHAT'S A ZERO, ETC.. SO THEN WE WILL THAT WILL ALLOW THE SEARCH IS NOW WHEN HE SEARCHES THE SYSTEM OR A LOT TO TAKE HIM OUT OF THIS. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL, THEY STILL HAVE TO VERIFY, TYPICALLY BY POLICY. OKAY, I SEARCH FOR PLATE ONE, TWO, THREE ABC. IS THAT WHAT I'M SEEING? RIGHT. AND SO THERE IS A HUMAN FACTOR THERE TO VERIFY WHAT THE ALERT IS OR WHAT THE IMAGE IS. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OFFICER. ALRIGHT. MAKE IT MAKE IT QUICK. I'M SORRY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. YES. GO AHEAD. STAN. OKAY. IN REFERENCE TO FLOCK TECHNICAL, YOU'RE READY TO GO. TECHNICAL. ARE YOU TIRED OF DOING THIS STUFF? NO, I'M NOT TIRED. THIS IS GREAT. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. OKAY. SO I NOTICED THE POSITION AND THE ANGLE. IS THERE A REASON? I'M CONCERNED. DO YOU NOT USE DIGITAL ENHANCEMENT FOR PLATE READING? IN WHAT SENSE? IN WHEN YOU RECEIVE A PLATE. WHEN YOUR FLOCK CAPTURES A PLATE TO BE USED IN AN INVESTIGATION. DO YOU HAVE TO DIGITALLY ENHANCE IT, OR DO YOU USE WHAT THE ACTUAL PIXEL OR THE ACTUAL PICTURE THAT WAS TAKEN AT THE TIME? WHICH ONE DO YOU USE? SO WE USE THE IMAGE THE WAY THAT THE CAMERAS WORK. A VEHICLE PASSES BY IMAGES TAKEN THAT IS PROCESSED BY OUR MACHINE LEARNING. IT THEN CATALOGS THAT EVERYTHING IT SEES IN THAT VEHICLE. SO THERE'S OVER 40 FILTERS ON THE VEHICLE. DOES IT HAVE A BACK RACK? A BIKE RACK, ETC.. IS IT WHITE? IS IT A HONDA? AND NOW IF OFFICER MARTINEZ IS LOOKING FOR A, YOU KNOW, PRESSES THE BUTTON WHITE PRESSES HONDA. HE WILL ONLY GET IMAGES OF THAT IF HE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE PLATE PORTION PRESSES ONE TWO, THREE. HE WILL GET THE PLATES THAT MATCH THAT DESCRIPTION WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME. OKAY. WELL, TO THE POINT YOU SAID IT HAS TO BE IN THIS LOCATION AND THE REASON IT HAS TO BE IN THIS LOCATION IS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET AN ACCURATE DIGITAL PICTURE OF IT ANY FURTHER AWAY, OR I UNDERSTAND THE ANGLE I CAN SEE AND VISUALIZE THE ANGLE. YOU GOT TO HAVE THAT ANGLE BECAUSE ANYTHING MORE ACUTE OR OBTUSE WOULD BE WORSE. SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS IS THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE THAT YOU CAN RECEIVE? CORRECT? PAST ABOUT 30FT. IT'S THE IMAGES ARE NOT GOING TO BE CLEAR ENOUGH FOR THE MACHINE LEARNING TO PROCESS THAT, GIVE OR TAKE AND I CAN GET YOU THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER IF NEEDED. BUT BASICALLY, JUST LIKE ANY IMAGE, IF THE FURTHER AWAY IT IS, THE HARDER IT IS FOR IT TO SEE THE DIGITS AND THE KIND OF JUST WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY A PAIR OF EYES ANALYZING WHAT'S IN FRONT OF IT AND I GUESS THAT ALSO I CAN ASSUME THAT THERE'S AN OF FIELD OF VIEW. ANGULAR LIMITATION OR IS THAT ADJUSTABLE PER EACH CAMERA? CORRECT. SO WE ALSO MASK IT SO THAT IT'S CAPTURING THE ROAD AND THE BACK OF VEHICLES. RIGHT. SO THAT IT'S TIGHT ENOUGH. THAT GIVES IT A BETTER IMAGE AND ABILITY TO CAPTURE IMAGES. YOU KNOW, IN A MORE PRECISE WAY. BUT IF YOU ENHANCE THE ANGLE, THEN YOU COULD PLACE IT IN A PLACE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK WITH AN ENHANCED ANGLE, YOU WOULD BE CAPTURING [01:00:02] MORE OF THE ROAD AND THE VEHICLE. TRUE. SO THE WAY THAT OUR CAMERAS ARE PLACED, WE HAVE A TEAM OF SOLUTIONS CONSULTANTS. THEY LOOKED AT THE GEOGRAPHY, THE AREA AND WITHIN THE SPECS AND SO WE WILL ALWAYS ATTEMPT TO INSTALL FOR HOA'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IF THAT'S AVAILABLE. IT'S A MUCH SMOOTHER PROCESS. THEY DETERMINED THAT THEY COULD NOT IN THIS CASE, UNFORTUNATELY. OKAY. THANK YOU. A QUICK QUESTION ON THE DATA. MR. VALDEZ, YOU MENTIONED THE DATA IS KEPT FOR 30 DAYS. CORRECT. IT'S HARD DELETED AT THE 30 DAY MARK. OKAY. USING WHAT'S CALLED A TIME TO LIVE STAMP. OKAY AND THEN DETECTIVE MARTINEZ IS THE GALVESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU SAID THIS IS A PROGRAM WITH THE COUNTY. CORRECT. THE AUTO CRIMES AND ALL THIS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE AUTO CRIMES TASK FORCE. YES, SIR. IS THAT ALSO PART OF THE TEXAS LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, WHERE THERE'S DATA COLLECTED BY THE STATE FROM THESE CAMERA SYSTEMS? OR IS FLOCK A PART OF THAT SYSTEM? THERE'S A THING CALLED THE TEXAS LICENSE PLATE READER PROGRAM, WHICH YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR AND IT'S A BIG LEGAL THING WITH THE STATE, WITH THE HOT LISTS THAT ARE COLLECTED EVERY DAY FROM DATA AROUND THE STATE. AM I DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? SO FLOCK DOES RECEIVE THE TEXAS HOT LIST ALERTS, WHICH ARE THEN PROVIDED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO THAT'S A LIST OF IF YOUR VEHICLE IS STOLEN, THAT PLATE IS NOW PUT INTO A REGISTRY. IF THAT PLATE IS SEEN BY A LICENSE PLATE READER, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE IN THE STATE, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THEN ALERTED OF THAT PLATE, AND THEN THEY WILL TAKE THE ACTIONS THAT ALIGN WITH THE POLICY IN THE JURISDICTION AND THIS LICENSE THAT YOUR COMPANY HAS NOW RECEIVED FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS, FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY GRANTS YOU TO DO WHAT? LICENSE TO DO WHAT? WITH WHICH SPECIFIC LICENSE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WELL, IN THE REPORT, ONE OF THE ISSUES LAST TIME WAS THAT FLOCK WASN'T PROPERLY LICENSED BY TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. CORRECT. NOW IT SAYS YOU HAVE A LICENSE WHICH GRANTS YOU PERMISSION TO DO WHAT? THAT GRANTS US PERMISSION TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THOSE ALERTS AND OPERATE WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INSTALLATION OF CAMERAS. NOT WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN. ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THE ANGLE WITH RESPECT TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, WHICH IS A PUBLIC EASEMENT. SO AS YOU HAVE BEEN. OH, YEAH. SORRY. AS YOU HAVE BEEN, SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO BEACH TOWN. THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES. SO IF IT GOES TO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE TREE IS GOING TO BE BLOCKING IT. SO BUT IF IT IS ON THE EASEMENT WHICH IS ALSO PART OF BEACH TOWN, THEN THERE COULD BE. SO THEY CHOOSE THE LOCATION OF THE HOUSE FOR THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. OH. I'M SORRY. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW WHO BEST TO ANSWER THIS, BUT IF WE WERE TO GRANT THIS, DOES THAT OBLIGATE US TO GRANT OTHER USE UNDER THIS SAME USE OR. EACH CASE IS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL REQUEST. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. 24P-041. I'LL SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND DISCUSSION. SO CAN I START? YES, MA'AM. I'LL LET YOU START. IF THIS WAS INSTALLED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT WOULD CLEARLY BE THE CONDOMINIUMS ASSOCIATION. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLACING A READER ON A PUBLIC STREET FOR PRIVATE CITIZENS WHERE WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU CAN'T CAPTURE EVERYBODY'S LICENSE PLATE GOING OFF ON AND OFF THE ISLAND. THAT'S A PUBLIC SYSTEM USED BY PUBLIC LAW ENFORCEMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? OH, I CAN'T ANSWER A QUESTION.. OKAY. SO BASICALLY MY CONCERN IS GRANTING ACCESS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST DRIVING DOWN A PUBLIC STREET TO A PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WITHOUT HOW THE DEBT. YOU KNOW, AS WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WITH FOIA, IF IT'S PUBLIC, IT'S PUBLIC STREET PUBLIC INFORMATION, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO IT. THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT'S BEING CAPTURED BY A PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I'D LIKE TO VOICE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. OH. NO. FAIR ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT. WELL, I'M KIND OF DISAPPOINTED. [01:05:01] I WOULD THINK THAT WITH TECHNOLOGY TODAY, AND FLOCK HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE, I WOULD THINK WITH TECHNOLOGY TODAY, THEY COULD ADJUST THE FIELD OF VIEW AND THE RESOLUTION SO THAT THEY COULD PLACE IT VIRTUALLY ANYWHERE THEY WANTED TO GO. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S LIKE IT'S KIND OF PROBLEMATICAL TO ME. I CAN SEE THE EFFICIENCY OF IT. I CAN SEE WHY THIS IS A NEED THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WANT, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE I GET THE FEELING LIKE THIS IS OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT MODEL, MODEL 2A IT HAS THIS FIELD OF VISION, IT HAS THIS AND THAT MAKES US BE ABLE TO PUT IT RIGHT HERE. SO THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF IT, WHICH IS SILLY, I GUESS, TO THINK ABOUT, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TECHNICALLY THERE IS MORE AFFORDABLE, THERE'S SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE OR AVAILABLE THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE ONLY KIND OF IMPEDIMENT I SEE TO DOING THIS, BECAUSE, I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT AND SOMEWHERE BETTER. BUT IF THIS IS WHAT CONSIDERING THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WHAT WE DO WHEN WE LOOK AT PUDS AND WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER TRACKS AND, ZONING AND EVERYTHING, WE CONSIDER THE WISHES OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE WISHES OF THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, AND IT APPEARS THEIR WISH IS TO TAKE PICTURES. ALL RIGHT, MR. RIOS, DONNA. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT ANY LIABILITY THE CITY WOULD HAVE IF SOMETHING UNTOWARD HAPPENS TO ANY CITIZEN WHO IS ENTRAPPED FALSELY BY THIS TECHNOLOGY, WHICH I KNOW HAS HAPPENED BEFORE IN OTHER PLACES. I'M LIKE. IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. WHAT LIABILITY WOULD THE CITY HAVE VERSUS ANY OF THE CONDO ASSOCIATIONS OR FLOCK? SO AND UNDERSTAND THIS IS TYPICALLY A DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS. SO MAYBE CHAIRMAN WE CAN JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE QUESTIONS HERE. PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, IF IT'S APPROVED, HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT BASICALLY SAYS THE CITY OF GALVESTON IS HELD HARMLESS FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. I ACTUALLY DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH OUR RISK MANAGER ON THAT. THIS IS NOT A CITY POLL, SO THERE ISN'T ANY INSURANCE OR LIABILITY REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CITY POLL. IT'S THEIR OWN PRIVATE POLL. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN INSURANCE AND LIABILITY ISSUES REGARDING THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT THERE. IN TERMS OF, AGAIN, ENTRAPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY, WHETHER YOU HAVE A FLOCK CAMERA SYSTEM OR NOT, A CAMERA SYSTEM AT ALL. IT'S JUST PAR FOR THE COURSE OF BEING A CITY. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SUE WHOEVER THEY WANT TO SUE OR NOT SUE WHOEVER THEY WANT TO SUE. SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION. OKAY. I WILL JUST SAY THAT, REMEMBER, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN APPLICATION TO ERECT A POLE IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY. IT JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE A CAMERA ON IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO TO THE COMMISSION, I THINK, GIVEN THE NATURE OF THESE PROPERTIES, THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO PUT THIS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THESE THESE ARE BIG PARCELS OF LAND. THERE'S IT'S NOT. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT CANNOT IF THEY'VE ALREADY GOT TWO OUT THERE THAT THEY THINK WILL DO THE JOB THAT ARE NOT OPERATIONAL YET. THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK, BUT PLACE IT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IF IT'S THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE FOR THEM AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS BECAUSE INITIALLY IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST FOR THE ISLANDER EAST AND THE INITIAL APPLICATION. NOW IT'S EVERYBODY DOWN THE STREET AND I JUST MY CONCERN AS A PERSON WHO GOES TO THE BEACH, WHO ENJOYS THE BEACH, THAT THIS IS A SMALL PRIVATE STREET, IT'S NOT INTERSTATE 45. I GET THAT WHEN I CROSS THE CAUSEWAY, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE BACK OF MY TRUCK OR WHEN I GO ON THE BELTWAY. BUT THIS IS A SMALL STREET, AND I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY FOR THIS TO BE PUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. I'M SURPRISED THAT WE'VE SPENT THIS MUCH TIME ON THE TOPIC. THAT, TO ME, SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER. I MEAN, THIS IS A A TOOL FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. I'VE GOT A SON WHO IS A 20 PLUS YEAR VETERAN WITH THE HARRIS COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE'S A PATROL LIEUTENANT. HE'S HAD TWO DEPUTIES UNDER HIS WATCH, SHOT AND KILLED. HE TOLD ME THAT THEY NEED THIS. SO I CAME IN. I HAD NO QUESTION IN MY MIND. HE'S ALSO SITS ON A MUD BOARD, AND THEIR UTILITY DISTRICT IS PUTTING IN CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. [01:10:09] THEY CAN FIT THEM. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY. PRIVATE PROPERTY? IF THESE PEOPLE WANT IT, THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT. THEY NEED IT. THAT MAN NEEDS IT. GIVE IT TO THEM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. JOHN. ANYBODY ELSE? I'LL WEIGH IN. SO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT COLLECTING PUBLIC INFORMATION FROM PUBLIC PROPERTY. I GET THAT. HOWEVER, THINKING OF THAT IS THAT SAME PUBLIC INFORMATION IS BEING COLLECTED FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. SO IT'S BEING COLLECTED AND WHETHER IT'S BEING COLLECTED FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY. I UNDERSTAND YOUR DEAL OF WHAT'S THE DOMAIN THAT IS BEING COLLECTED FROM DOES KIND OF CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA. BUT THEY ARE ALSO COLLECTING THAT INFORMATION, THE SAME PUBLIC INFORMATION FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY. THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT THEY'RE JUST COLLECTING A LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. NOW THEY ARE COLLECTING THE INFORMATION ON THE DESCRIPTION OF A CAR, BUT IT'S THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING SOMEBODY'S NAME, THEIR ADDRESS WHERE THEY ARE OR ANY OF THAT OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE. JOHN. Q PUBLIC I DON'T THINK IF THEY HAD ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY COULD GO FIND THEIR CHEATING SPOUSE BECAUSE UNLESS THEY KNEW THEIR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER. SO WHAT I FIND INTERESTING IS THAT IT BASICALLY THEY ARE COLLECTING DATA, BUT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN CONNECT THE DOTS. SO THERE'S THAT. AND JOHN, TO YOUR POINT, I'M IN YOUR CAMP 110%. IT IS A CRIME PREVENTION TOOL. I DON'T CARE IF CRIME IS DOWN TO 0%. I DON'T WANT ANY CROOKS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE WAY YOU KEEP THEM OUT IS BY PREVENTION. IT'S THE SAME OLD ADAGE AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WELL WORTH A POUND OF CURE. THE OTHER DEAL IS, IS WE GRANT LTAS TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS ALL THE TIME FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND USE. SO IF YOU KIND OF SCALE IT DOWN TO ITS SIMPLEST TERMS, IT'S AN LTU REQUEST BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND FOR THEIR USE. THEY ARE HERE COLLECTIVELY GRANTED, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE ISLANDER EAST, BUT THESE GUYS ARE HERE COLLECTIVELY SAYING, HEY, WE WANT THIS. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TO SAY. SO WE'VE ALL SAID OUR PIECE. WE CAN ALL VOTE. OH, SORRY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL? ONE. TWO. THREE. FOUR. THOSE OPPOSED? I'M GOING TO SUSTAIN. ABSTAIN. OKAY. AND ONE OPPOSED. SO THAT WOULD BE AN APPROVAL FOR 24P-041. AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. THIS WAS NOT AN EASY ONE. SO AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AS WELL. ALL RIGHT MOVING ON 24P-040. [6.C.1. 24P-040 (11279 Stewart Road) Request To Revoke A Specific Use Permit (SUP) Approved Under Ordinance 20-063. Property Is Legally Described As The Northeast Part Of Lot 39 (39-1), Trimble And Lindsey, Section 2, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Development Services Department Property Owner: ASSS Capital, LLC] GOODNESS. OKAY. THIS IS 11279 STEWART ROAD. IT'S A REQUEST TO REVOKE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPROVED UNDER ORDINANCE 20-063. 23 NOTICES WERE SENT TO RETURN TO THOSE TWO IN FAVOR. NO OBJECTION FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS OR PRIVATE UTILITIES. IN 2020, THE APPLICANT, EDWARD JACKSON, SUBMITTED AN SUP REQUEST TO ESTABLISH A SUBSTANCE ABUSE FACILITY. LAND USE. THAT REQUEST WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND ON OCTOBER 22ND AS UNDER ORDINANCE 20-063 THAT CONTAINED A CONDITION THAT A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE USE BE OBTAINED WITHIN TWO YEARS OF THE DATE OF APPROVAL, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN IN OCTOBER OF 22. BUT THERE WAS A CAVEAT THAT IF THERE WAS A FEDERAL OR STATE NATURAL DISASTER DECLARATION, THEN THAT PERIOD COULD BE EXTENDED FOR TWO YEARS. SO THAT DID HAPPEN. THE SCP WAS EXTENDED FOR TWO YEARS AFTER THE SEVERE WINTER STORMS OF 21 AND WAS EXTENDED UNTIL OCTOBER 22ND OF 2024. SO TO DATE, NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND FOR THIS REASON, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF IS INITIATING INITIATING THE REVOCATION OF THIS SUP. [01:15:08] STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS REQUESTED. SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. WE HAD THIS REQUEST SEVERAL YEARS AGO. IT NEVER HAPPENED. THE PROPERTY HAS SINCE CHANGED HANDS. IN FACT, THE BUILDING THAT IT WAS PLANNED FOR HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGE HERE. THERE'S NO PLANS FOR THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. WHEN IN THESE CASES, WE'D LIKE TO REVOKE THE SUP. IT'S THE CLEANEST METHOD TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S NO LONGER VALID. SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE. THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY THAT WAS PLANNED FOR THIS FACILITY AND AS I SAID, IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED. SO THE NEXT PICTURE SHOWS JUST AN EMPTY FIELD AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CATHERINE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE WE'LL PUBLIC HEARING ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? APPARENTLY NOT. SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE 24P-040. SO WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO APPROVE 24. THE REQUEST TO REVOKE 24P-040. OR THAT THE RELATED PROPERTY, THE RELATED SPECIFIC USE PERMIT UNDER ORDINANCE 2063, AS SPECIFIED. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. WHEN THESE GUYS CAME, THEY ALSO GOT A CHANGE OF ZONING TO WHERE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS CHANGED TO COMMERCIAL. SO THIS IS I JUST WANT TO MENTION THIS BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT CHANGE. SO WHEN WE GRANT THOSE CHANGES TO ZONING THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THEY'RE PRETTY PERMANENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT AND I'LL JUST NOTE, RUSTY THAT THAT WAS A PARTIAL REZONING. I DON'T HAVE A ZONING MAP, BUT THE PROPERTY IS ALL ZONED COMMERCIAL TODAY. BUT IT WAS JUST THE SOUTHERN PORTION THAT. OH, OKAY. WASN'T COMMERCIAL. SO THAT TOP PART ALREADY WAS. OH, IT ALREADY WAS. IT ALREADY WAS. SO YEAH, IT WAS JUST THIS BOTTOM PART FOR SOME REASON WAS ZONED DIFFERENT. WELL, MY ONLY IT'S GOING TO MAKE A VALID POINT WHEN WE GRANT THOSE CHANGES THEY'RE PRETTY PERMANENT. THEY ARE PERMANENT OWNER COULDN'T COME BACK AND MAKE ANOTHER REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE. NO. THEY COULD. THEY COULD, BUT WE CAN'T. WE GRANTED THEM A COMMERCIAL ZONE. IT WON'T. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SUP REVOKED, IT WON'T GO BACK TO A R-1, PROBABLY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IT'S. IT'S REALLY NOT THAT RELEVANT. OKAY. YES, IT IS VERY RELEVANT. YEAH. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. SO 24P-040 IS APPROVED, AS REQUESTED. [7.A. Discussion Of Quarterly Joint Meetings With City Council Beginning January Of 2025 (B. Rawlins)] WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM. SO WHAT IS WE ACTUALLY HAVE. SO NOW WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GO VISIT WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. WE DID THIS ONCE BEFORE WHEN WE DID THE BROADWAY PLAN. WE ACTUALLY WENT AND SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL. AT THE TIME, IT WAS ME AND STEVEN WENT AND AND IT WAS, I THOUGHT WAS VERY WELL RECEIVED. IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. AND SO THIS HAS COME UP AGAIN THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO. SO HERE'S WHAT I JUST AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE MENTIONED JUST RECENTLY. AND ONE WAS WHERE WE JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FORTIFICATION OF DUNES WHEN KYLE WAS HERE AND HOW WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THAT. AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE HAD A CASE WHERE WE HAD A PLAT APPROVED, WHERE ONE OF THE LOTS FRONTED AN ALLEYWAY, AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, HEY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO LOOK AT. WELL, THE WAY THAT THIS WORKS AND CORRECT ME AT ANY TIME, KATHRYN, IS WE ARE WE WORK FOR THOSE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SO WE CAN COME IN. WE CAN HAVE ALL THE DISCUSSION AND WORKSHOPS WE WANT, BUT IF WE DON'T KIND OF GET THEIR DIRECTION, WE CAN DO ALL THIS WORK. WE NEED THEIR APPROVAL TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT. I THINK THAT WE KIND OF COLLECTIVELY NEED TO KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING EVERY QUARTER OF, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING AND GETTING SOME INPUT AND DIRECTION FROM THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS TOM HAD MENTIONED YOU KNOW, WORKFORCE HOUSING TO ME AND [01:20:04] I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THOSE ARE ALL GREAT IDEAS AND WE CERTAINLY WANT TO ADDRESS THEM. BUT I THINK WE WANT OUR TIME TO BE PRODUCTIVE AS WELL. SO I'M JUST GOING TO SIMPLY MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE WORKSHOP, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE LOTS ON THE ALLEYWAYS. OH, CAN WE DO THAT? THIS IS THE EX-OFFICIO COUNCILMAN RAWLINGS ITEM. OH, AND WHO'S NOT CURRENTLY HERE? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR FROM HIM. OKAY. IN TERMS OF WHAT COUNCIL IS EXPECTING OF THIS BOARD IN TERMS OF QUARTERLY MEETINGS AND SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN IN HIS MOUTH OR COUNCIL'S MOUTHS ABOUT HOW THEY EXPECT THIS TO WORK. BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST GOING TO A WORKSHOP EVERY 3 OR 4 MONTHS, I MEAN, WORKSHOP IS AN ENTIRE THURSDAY MORNING FOR SOME, AND SOME OF YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. IS IT JUST A SPOKESPERSON FROM THE COMMISSION OR IS IT THE ENTIRE COMMISSION? I MEAN, SO THERE ARE THINGS I THINK WE NEED FROM THE COUNCIL PERSON FROM YOUR EX-OFFICIO AND UNLESS CATHERINE GOT MORE INFORMATION FROM FROM COUNCILMAN RAWLINGS, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE HIM HERE SO HE CAN REALLY ADDRESS WHAT THE COUNCIL IS EXPECTING AND WHAT THEY WANT AND THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. SO AND I'M MAKING SOME ASSUMPTIONS OFF OF THE ONE MEETING THAT I ATTENDED TO. SO DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE, SINCE IT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM WHERE WE COULD BECAUSE MY THOUGHTS ARE IS LET'S PICK A COUPLE OF WHAT OUR PET PROJECTS WOULD BE SO THAT WHEN HE IS HERE, IT'S LIKE, HEY, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. WE'VE ALL HAVE AGREED AND WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. YOU TELL US HOW YOU WANT US TO PROCEED, BUT THESE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS. DO YOU THINK THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE? I DON'T THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PICK ITEMS TO TALK ABOUT. AND THEN THE COUNCILMAN COMES BACK. BUT WE WANT YOU GUYS TO WORK ON THIS AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THE PERSON REALLY NEEDS TO BE HERE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL IS CONCERNED WITH AT THIS POINT IN TIME. SO CAN WE FOCUS ON THAT? IS IT WHAT COUNCIL WANTS THIS BOARD TO WORK ON, OR IS IT WHAT THE BOARD THINKS COUNCIL SHOULD SHOULD LOOK AT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. RIGHT. AND THEN IS IT SIMPATICO AND I ENVISION IT AS A TWO WAY DEAL. BUT SO I JUST THINK IT PROBABLY. FAIR ENOUGH. IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE TABLED FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION AND HOPEFULLY THE. FAIR ENOUGH AND TO KIND OF BUTTON THAT UP. I THINK YOU GUYS KIND OF GET THE GIST OF THE DIRECTION I'M GOING. SO HAVE THEY SET A DATE FOR THE COUNCIL FOR A FIRST QUARTERLY MEETING. I KNOW OKAY. I MEAN, IT SAYS JANUARY 2025. I'M JUST CURIOUS. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S AGAIN I OUR EX OFFICIO IS NOT HERE TO TO GIVE ANY AND UNDERSTOOD AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT WE'VE DONE THIS ONCE BEFORE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. I WOULD TELL YOU, THE SURPRISED LOOK ON CATHERINE'S FACE WHEN WE LEFT SPOKE A THOUSAND WORDS. IT WAS LIKE, THAT WENT PRETTY WELL AND I, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GOOD. SO IT WAS GOOD FOR EVERYONE. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY VERY PRODUCTIVE. YEAH, I THOUGHT SO TOO. SO I WOULD JUST BE ON THE RECORD AS IT'S A GREAT IDEA. NO, I THINK IF THIS BOARD IS PREPARED TO STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER, OR MAYBE AT THE NEXT ONES COME UP WITH THE IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA. I JUST WANT THE BOARD TO ALSO BE PREPARED THAT THEY DON'T. THEY MAY NOT WANT TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY. I THINK THEY DO. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THIS BOARD TO GO AND DO WORK AND THEN BE TOLD TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND UNDERSTOOD. AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A LONG LAUNDRY LIST BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T GET US ANYWHERE. WHY DO WE DO I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR BACK POCKET? YES, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. YOU KNOW. WELL, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK WE CAN SAY? WELL, HERE'S WHAT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'VE HAD THAT WE'VE RUN INTO, AND WE'D LIKE YOU TO HELP US. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. SO WHY DON'T YOU GUYS BE THINKING ABOUT THAT? AND WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS AGAIN, WE CAN TAKE THOSE AND THAT WAY WE'D HAVE SOME IDEAS. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, STAN. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT, THEN, WE'LL BE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. HAPPY TURKEY DAY. [INAUDIBLE]. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.