[00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME, EVERYONE, TO THIS REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. [Landmark Commission on October 21, 2024.] TODAY IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 21ST AND THE TIME IS 4:00. WE WILL START OFF WITH ATTENDANCE. CALL]. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASE? WELL, WITH THE CASE TODAY. NO. OKAY. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY NON AGENDA ITEMS? NO. NONE ON THE COMPUTER OR ANYTHING. OKAY. SO NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. CASE 24LC-030. THIS IS 1712 CHURCH. THE REQUEST IS APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH A TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. EIGHT PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT. ZERO RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO DEMOLISH THE TWO STORY REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. THE SITE INCLUDES TWO OTHER ONE STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER IS DETERMINED THAT THE ONE STORY STRUCTURES ARE NONCONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THE DEMOLITION MAY BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW IS REQUIRED OF THE TWO STORY SECTION ONLY. THE APPLICANT HAS NOTED THAT THE TWO STORY ACCESSORY BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY UNSTABLE. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. ALTHOUGH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS OF HISTORIC AGE, IT APPEARS TO BE. IT APPEARS ON THE 1889 SANBORN MAP. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. THE REQUEST DUE TO DETERIORATION AND POTENTIAL SAFETY CONCERNS. HOWEVER, AN HISTORIC MATERIAL SHOULD BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE OR MADE AVAILABLE TO A THIRD PARTY FOR REUSE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE. ANY HISTORIC MATERIALS SHALL BE SALVAGED AND STORED ON SITE, OR MADE AVAILABLE TO A THIRD PARTY FOR RE-USE IN ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES. THIS IS THE FRONT HOUSE ON CHURCH. THESE ARE TWO VIEWS OF THE TWO STORY SECTION. FROM THE ALLEY. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM THE YARD, AND A COUPLE OF INTERIOR PHOTOS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. THANK YOU. DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR 24LC-030 ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT. MR. WATSON. HI. I WAS JUST TELLING CATHERINE. THIS WAS ONE OF THE HOUSES IN MY THESIS FROM 1979, AND THAT NEVER HAD I IN 1979. YOU COULDN'T GET TO THE SECOND FLOOR THEN, AND IT'S HAD NOTHING DONE TO IT IN THE 45 YEARS SINCE. SO IT'S JUST FALLING DOWN. [INAUDIBLE] THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER ON IT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE. OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR A MOTION FROM THE COMMISSION. [INAUDIBLE]. A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU, HANK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO, I'LL JUST SAY I DROVE BY IT. IT WAS REALLY BAD. IT'S WORSE THAN THE PICTURES EVEN. MAKE IT LOOK. OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? OKAY. THAT'S EVERYBODY. MOTION PASSES. SO THAT'S IT FOR THE CASE. NOW WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM. SOLAR PANELS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAD A CASE THAT WAS SOLAR PANELS IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THE SOLAR CONSUMER PROTECTION ACT. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EXACTLY THE TERMINOLOGY OF IT THAT SHE SAID LIMITED CITIES ABILITIES TO REGULATE SOLAR PANELS. SO WE WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO THAT AND LEGAL WAS GOING TO PROVIDE A DETERMINATION, WHICH THEY HAVE DONE. SO, DONNA, I THINK CAN EXPLAIN THE DETERMINATION. YEAH. OKAY. SO [INAUDIBLE]. [00:05:18] APPARENTLY NOT. [INAUDIBLE]. SO [INAUDIBLE]. ONE IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO PUT THIS REGULATION IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH HOW HOAS AND POA'S WERE DEALING WITH APPLICATIONS FOR SOLAR PANELS. I SUSPECT THAT SOME HOA'S AND POA'S WERE GETTING A LITTLE OUT OF HAND WITH RESTRICTING PROPERTY OWNERS ABILITIES TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR PROPERTIES, AND SO EVENTUALLY THE LEGISLATURE HAD TO STEP IN AND SAY THERE'S ONLY IN CERTAIN WAYS ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE NOW YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO SLAP YOUR HAND BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN TOO MUCH, AS MY KIDS WOULD SAY, YOU'RE DOING TOO MUCH. YOU KNOW SO ONE WAY OF THINKING HOW THE NEW REGULATIONS CAME IN PLACE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DISCUSS WHAT CITIES CAN DO OR EVEN HISTORIC DISTRICTS CAN DO. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S SPECIFIC TO THE LEGISLATURE TRYING TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT SOMEHOW CAME TO THEIR ATTENTION, THAT MAYBE SOME HOA'S AND POA'S ARE DOING TOO MUCH. THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS, IN LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE BACK IN 2021 WITH OUR INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODES. THE CITY ACTUALLY ADOPTED APPENDIX EIGHT, AND IT'S CALLED THE SOLAR READY PROVISIONS FOR DETACHED ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND TOWNHOUSES. AND FROM WHAT I'M ABLE TO GATHER, THAT WAS A NEW APPENDIX THAT WE ADOPTED IN REGARDS TO THE IRC. SO IS IT RELATIVELY NEW TO THE CITY AS WELL? YES. IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING SOLAR PANELS OUTSIDE OF A LANDMARK COMMISSION TYPE OF DEAL, I WILL SAY THAT THE IRC SPECIFICALLY CALLS FOR THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT ALSO KIND OF DEFINES SOLAR READY ZONES AND THAT IS WHERE YOU CAN PUT SOLAR PANELS ON A STRUCTURE. ET CETERA AND WHAT IT ALSO GOES INTO ARE REGULATIONS REALLY AROUND SAFETY ISSUES. LOAD BEARING ISSUES. ROOF LOAD. SORRY. ROOF LOAD ISSUES. CONSTRUCTION. THINGS LIKE THAT. MORE CONSTRUCTION TYPE OF ISSUES. NOT NECESSARILY HOW IT LOOKS OR WHERE IT'S PLACED. TAKE THAT BACK. PLACEMENT IS ALSO ADDRESSED, BUT IT'S TO MAXIMIZE THE ABILITY OF BASICALLY THE SOLAR ENERGY HITTING THE PANELS AND THERE ARE OTHER REGULATIONS REGARDING SHADING AND CAPPING OF THE ROOF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ALL WITHIN CONSTRUCTION RELATED TYPE OF REGULATIONS. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME AND GET A PERMIT TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HOME, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM TO THAT TYPE OF STUFF, RIGHT? SO WAS THE APPLICANT CORRECT IN STATING THAT, HEY CITY, YOU REALLY CAN'T REGULATE THE ABILITY OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HOME? YES AND NO. THERE'S SPECIFIC REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY. STILL, YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT SOMETHING UP AND CALL IT A SOLAR PANEL BECAUSE HISTORIC STRUCTURES AREN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESSED AND WE ACTUALLY GOT SOME GOOD COMMENTS. ONE COMMENT ACTUALLY CAME FROM MICHAEL GERTNER, AND HE MADE SOME COMMENTS THAT ACTUALLY, I MADE A LITTLE NOTE OF IT THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING IN TERMS OF WHAT I THINK IF THE COMMISSION REALLY WANTED TO DELVE INTO IT, THEY COULD LOOK INTO THINGS THAT ARE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, NOT SUBJECTIVE, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE STREET. THAT'S KIND OF SUBJECTIVE. BUT IF YOU CAN LOOK AT OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, WILL IT HARM A DECORATIVE FEATURE? THE ROOF, IS IT HISTORIC? WILL IT DESTROY THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE ROOF AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION, IF THEY FELT THAT IT WAS NECESSARY, COULD LOOK INTO. [00:10:02] I THINK THAT AND THIS IS AGAIN, JUST MY LITTLE THOUGHT PROCESS, IS MOST FOLKS THAT COME TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ONTO THEIR ROOF STRUCTURE, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DESTROY THEIR ROOF OR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AGAIN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT LANDMARK COMMISSION WANTS TO DELVE INTO. WE CAN CHAT ABOUT IT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, RIGHT NOW OUR REGULATIONS ARE JUST KIND OF IF YOU SEE IT FROM THE STREET, YOU KNOW, TRY TO RELOCATE IT. A LOT OF THAT IS ACTUALLY ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF IN SOME OF OUR REGULATIONS AS WELL, BUT MORE IN TERMS OF IT NEEDS TO BE LOCATED IN A SPOT THAT'S GOING TO MAXIMIZE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO DESTROY. IT'S GOT TO BE WITHIN THE ROOF LINE OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH IT. ANY QUESTIONS OR YOU KNOW IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM. SO [INAUDIBLE]. IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION RELATED ISSUES RELATED TO SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF. WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF WIND CERTIFICATES BEING ISSUED FOR INSURANCE AND TEXAS WINDSTORM THAT I KNOW ANECDOTALLY, FOR ME, I'VE HAD TO HAVE MY HOUSE INSPECTED FOR WINDSTORM APPROPRIATENESS AND WHAT REGULATORY ISSUES WOULD BE CONSIDERED IF WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT A SOLAR PANEL WILL PASS A WIND CERTIFICATE AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THOSE USUALLY COME FROM AUSTIN FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKEN CARE OF IN OUR REGULATION AS WELL? SO THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, I GUESS, AND PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD NEED TO TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ONE THING, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THERE WOULD BE A 150 MILE AN HOUR WIND REQUIREMENT UNDER OUR BUILDING CODES, AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO APPURTENANT STRUCTURES AS WELL. SO THEY'D HAVE TO BE AN ENGINEERED. WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME STATEMENT [INAUDIBLE]. DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORY WHERE THESE SOLAR PANELS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE CAPABLE ONCE THEY'RE ADDED ON TOP OF A ROOF AND THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE SLIGHT GAP OR ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN SUSTAIN 150 MILE PER HOUR WIND. IS THAT HAS THAT BEEN DEMONSTRATED IN ANYWHERE, NOT JUST HERE, BUT ANYWHERE WHERE THAT'S THE CASE, WHERE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SURVIVE THAT TYPE OF WIND? I THINK THEY DO IF THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED PROPERLY, AND THAT'S WHAT WE REQUIRE OF IT. ANYTHING ON THE ISLAND IS 150 MILE AN HOUR WIND RATED. SO [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING. EVIDENCE OF ANYWHERE AS AN OBSERVATION THAT THE OR ANY SOLAR PANEL MANUFACTURER. THIS SOLAR PANEL IS RATED TO SURVIVE 150 MILE AN HOUR WIND IF IT'S INSTALLED IN THIS MANNER ON THIS SHINGLE TYPE ROOF IN A HISTORIC AREA. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY BLOWN OFF. BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT HASN'T HAPPENED. [INAUDIBLE]. AND IF IT'S IF ACTUALLY, IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, [INAUDIBLE]. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY ARE TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR THAT. [INAUDIBLE] . WELL, MY QUESTION IS, THEY'RE ANCHORED TO THE ROOF, BUT THE ROOF ON THESE OLDER HOUSES AREN'T TYPICALLY ANCHORED TO ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE'S NO HURRICANE STRAPS. IT'S NOT LIKE HER CONSTRUCTION IN MIAMI, FOR EXAMPLE. SO HE'S ADDING A SAIL TO A WEIGHTED DOWN THING. WELL, YOU'RE JUST ADDING A SAIL TO A ROOF THAT'S NOT ATTACHED TO ANYTHING UNLESS. IS THAT PART OF IT? ARE THEY ADDING HURRICANE STRAPS WHEN THEY WHEN THEY NEWLY PERMIT, THEY'RE SUPPOSED THAT 150 MILE AN HOUR CERTIFICATION IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALL COMPONENTS OF THE STRUCTURE THAT ARE BEING PERMITTED. SO IF YOU HAVE PANELS THAT ARE BEING TIED TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT TIED DOWN, CERTAINLY THE ENGINEER [INAUDIBLE] ADVISING, YOU [00:15:03] KNOW, [INAUDIBLE]. SO I WOULD GUESS [INAUDIBLE]. AND SO ANOTHER QUESTION, WHEN YOU WHEN THEY INSTALL THESE, DO THEY LOSE THEIR WINDSTORM EXEMPTION CERTIFICATE. I WOULDN'T THINK SO. NO. BECAUSE WINDSTORM EXEMPTIONS ARE CERTIFYING THAT THE PROPERTY IS ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER. OKAY, SO I DON'T THINK THAT ADDING SOLAR PANELS WOULD AFFECT THAT. [INAUDIBLE]. MR. GERTNER? YEAH, IT DID SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR PROPERTY IS A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARK AND RTHL THEN ANY EXTERIOR MODIFICATION HAS TO HAVE AN APPROVAL FROM THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION. SO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO SOLAR PANELS. IF IT'S ANY MODIFICATION, BUT THERE'S NO REVIEW OF CHANGES TO A NATIONAL REGISTER BUILDING. [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE EARLIER EXPLANATION. I DID TRY TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THAT LAW. OF COURSE, I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY BY ANY MEANS. BUT THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. MY QUESTION ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS I THOUGHT THAT THE PERSON BROUGHT FORTH FOR EXAMPLES OF OTHER PROPERTIES. SO SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS, THEN WHAT OBJECTIVES OR WHAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE OTHER FOUR PROPERTIES TO RECEIVE TO BE ALLOWED TO PLACE THOSE SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR ROOFS, THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES WENT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS. THE SAME THING. THE SAME THING. YEAH. OKAY TO LAMBERT COMMISSION. THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS ONE IS THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE A NEIGHBOR. IT HAS AN OPEN SIDE YARD, WHICH IS UNUSUAL. SO IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, THE PANELS WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE THAN THE OTHER ONES THAT SHE BROUGHT EXAMPLES OF. OKAY, SO ARE THERE GUIDELINES FOR VISIBILITY AS FAR AS SPACE OR WHAT DOES VISIBILITY MEAN FROM THE STREET? YEAH. SO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTY HAS A WHOLE SECTION. SO YOU GOT TO TEACH ME I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAVE A WHOLE SECTION ON SOLAR PANELS AND WHERE THEY SHOULD BE PLACED AND IT WILL SAY THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANTLY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY OPEN TO INTERPRETATION AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING, BECAUSE THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT HAS THAT SIDE THERE. THEN DOES THAT DISQUALIFY THE SOLAR PANELS, EVEN THOUGH IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE VISIBLE? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? BECAUSE OF THAT EXTRA SPACE, THEN THAT ALLOWS THEM TO BE MORE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? THAT WAS OUR INTERPRETATION. THAT WAS YOUR INTERPRETATION. OKAY. I DIDN'T GET TO GO BY THE HOUSE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THE ADDRESS. [INAUDIBLE]. SO THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS OR PROCEDURE FOR PUTTING THOSE SOLAR PANELS ON AS THE OTHERS, OR AS ANYONE ELSE WITH THOSE GIVEN GUIDELINES THERE. OKAY. SO OUR. [00:20:02] OKAY. COMMISSION WOULD RETAIN ITS SUBJECTIVE ABILITY, THOUGH SUBJECTIVE AS IT MAY BE. DO YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AS A LANDLORD? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. [INAUDIBLE] . YEAH. IT'S LIKE A DARK GRAY ROOF. [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S A DARK GRAY ROOF. [INAUDIBLE]. I DON'T NEED TO SEE A WIND TUNNEL DEMONSTRATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I STILL HAVE A RAISED EYEBROW OF AS IT RELATES TO SOLAR PANELS BEING ATTACHED TO A ROOF THAT MAY BE ARGUABLY OVER 100 YEARS OLD. HOW IT'S ANCHORED, HOW IT'S ATTACHED, AND STILL HAVING SOME DEGREE OF COMPLIANCE TO BEING ABLE TO SURVIVE 150 MILE AN HOUR STRAIGHT WIND WITH SCREWS, CLAMPS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WILL ANNEAL IT TO THAT ROOF, MAKING IT COMPLIANT. I'M OF COURSE I'M NEW TO THIS, A LOT OF THIS, BUT AND YES, IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN STANDARD AND THE DESIGN STANDARD. ENGINEERS SAY OKAY, THIS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT JUST GETTING A WIND CERTIFICATE ON ROOFS AND SHINGLES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT, ADDING THAT TO IT JUST RAISES MY EYEBROW AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT TRULY IS WIND CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATE. IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, AND I GUESS I WOULD PROBABLY JUST NEED MORE INFORMATION, I CAN DO MY OWN RESEARCH, BUT THAT'S STILL MY RAISED EYEBROW [INAUDIBLE]. [00:25:07] WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DO. ALL THE FOLKS IN OUR INSPECTION, BUILDING AND INSPECTION DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE NOT ENGINEERS EITHER. SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE REQUIRING, PER THE CODE BOOK. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT. BUT WHEN WHEN THEY GET A SEALED, YOU KNOW, CERTIFIED ENGINEERING STATEMENT THAT SAYS THIS, COMPLIES WITH 150 MILE AN HOUR WIND REGULATIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT BASED ON THAT AND THEN THAT ENGINEER [INAUDIBLE]. JUST ONE LAST THING I THINK YOU MEANT TO SAY. 100 YEAR OLD HOUSE, NOT A 100 YEAR OLD ROOF, RIGHT? I MEAN, I WISH I HAD. I WAS JUST BRINGING CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I WAS ON THAT WAS IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS HEARING, RIGHT. YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION ITEM? NO MORE QUESTIONS. [INAUDIBLE] GREAT, THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT SOLAR PANELS UP.YEAH. YES, WE'VE REVIEWED IT AND THEY HAVE THEIR BUILDING PERMIT. SO Y'ALL WILL STILL DO IT BASED ON COLOR. IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? I STILL ASK BECAUSE IT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE. IT CAN BE QUALIFIED. IS THAT ON THE GUIDELINES NOW WE CAN WE CAN HAVE IT SOMEWHAT MATCHING ANYTHING IN THE GUIDELINES TODAY THAT ARE REALLY THAT ARE PRESCRIPTIVE. OKAY. SO WE WOULD I MEAN WE WOULD REVIEW IT BUT WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TO REVIEW IT ON. OKAY. BUT COLOR WOULD BE SUBJECTIVE OR THAT WOULD BE? BECAUSE. [INAUDIBLE]. AND SO FOR JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE PLACEMENT REGULATIONS AS THEY STAND NOW, IT'S JUST TO MAXIMIZE ENERGY PRODUCTION. IT'S NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE ANYTHING VISUALLY OR ANYTHING. ON HOW WE'RE APPLYING THIS ACROSS THE CITY, WHETHER YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THEY HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE]. ANYBODY ELSE? WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING, PLANNING PEOPLE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT. OKAY. THAT'S THE END OF THAT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO ADD TO OUR NEXT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH TO THE AGENDA? NO. OKAY. THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. IT IS 4:29. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.