[00:00:01] YEAH, RIGHT. READY? I'M READY. [Landmark Commission on June 3, 2024.] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. TODAY IS MONDAY, JUNE 4TH, 2024, AND THE TIME IS 4:00. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER ALBERSTADT. COMMISSIONER BAKER WILL BE ABSENT TODAY. COMMISSIONER BOURGEOIS. VICE CHAIRPERSON CLICK PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FITZ. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. PRESENT. CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON PRESENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES HAS EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW THE MINUTES. DO YOU SEE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? SEEING NONE. OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CATHERINE? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY, I HAVE ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS DONE ALREADY, BUT I WANT TO INTRODUCE TATE BURCHFIELD. HE'S AN INTERN WORKING WITH THE CITY. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF HE'S INTRODUCED BEFORE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO. WE MET HIM TODAY, SO. WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME, WELCOME. SO WHAT DOES HE DO FOR THE CITY? HE IS VISITING SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, SO YOU'LL SEE HIM TODAY. LANDMARK PLANNING COMMISSION WILL SEE HIM TOMORROW AFTERNOON IF THERE'S ZBA I DON'T THINK THERE'S ZBA ON WEDNESDAY. SO THEY MAY NOT SEE HIM AT ALL. I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT. SO HE'S VISITING LEGAL, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, SALLY'S DEPARTMENT AND CITY MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE AT LEAST TWO MORE INTERNS COMING LATER ON IN THE SUMMER AS WELL. BUT HE'S OUR FIRST INDUCTEE, SO. AND YOU'RE STARTING WITH US. OH, YOU'RE YOU'RE HE WAS HERE. YEAH. HE'S HERE. RIGHT. WELL, YOU'RE WELL YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE LEAVING WITH SPRINKLES, GLITTERS AND SPARKLES AND ALL. WE'RE THE BEST. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY? NO. OKAY, WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST CASE OF NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THIS IS CASE 24LC- 016. ALL RIGHT. SO 24LC-016. THIS IS 1218 WINNIE THIS INDEED IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FRONT DOOR REPLACEMENT. FIVE PUBLIC NOTICES SENT AND NONE OF THOSE WERE RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REPLACE A FRONT DOOR FACING WINNIE. SO IT WOULD BE THE MAIN ENTRY DOOR OF THE HOUSE AS SHOWN HERE ON THE SCREEN. THE APPLICANT HAS COMPLETE SUBMITTAL. IS INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT A NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO COMMISSION A REPLACEMENT DOOR, LOOKS LIKE THE CURRENT DOOR. STAFF FINDS THAT THE PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE IN THE STAFF REPORT STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST PARTIALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND MODIFICATIONS OR IN LOCATION A, PRIMARY FAÇADE WHICH PRESERVATION, REPAIR OF FEATURES AND PLACES A PRIORITY. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE EXISTING DOOR IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. AND THEY HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL STATING THAT THE DOOR WILL PROBABLY NOT BE SALVAGEABLE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR BE RETAINED AND REBUILT. REPAIRED IF POSSIBLE. THAT'S A VERY STRICT INTERPRETATION OF DESIGN STANDARDS. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE REQUEST BE APPROVED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX. AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO HERE'S A SUBJECT PROPERTY, ONCE AGAIN YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE FRONT DOOR THERE IN QUESTION. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING THE DAMAGE TO THE EXISTING DOOR, WHICH ONCE AGAIN IS NOT BELIEVED TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND HERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. AND I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. OR MRS. MISZOWSKI ARE IN. YES, YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP, SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR YOUR REQUEST. MY NAME IS JAN MISZOWSKI. I'M A HOMEOWNER AT 1218 WINNIE. IT'S WE'VE OWNED THE HOME SINCE 2007, AND BASICALLY, I DON'T EVEN USE THE FRONT DOOR ANY LONGER BECAUSE IT HAS ABOUT, LIKE, A ONE INCH GAP AT THE TOP. IT KIND OF SLOPES. I'VE TRIED TO INSERT WEATHER STRIPPING, BUT EVERY TIME I OPEN THE DOOR AT THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM, THERE'S A GAP AT THE BOTTOM AS WELL THAT WEATHER STRIPPING COMES APART. MY HVAC HAS TOLD ME THAT THE HOUSE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAT OR COOL SUFFICIENTLY BECAUSE [00:05:03] IT'S A HUGE LEAK. LIZARDS COME THROUGH THIS LEAK. IT'S VERY BIG. YES, I DON'T MIND LIZARDS. AND WE DO HAVE SOME CATS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THEY'RE KEEPING THE POPULATION DOWN. WE'VE TRIED WE HAVE SOUGHT OUT TO SEE IF WE COULD SALVAGE THE DOOR AND HAVE IT REPAIRED. AND IT'S BEEN TOLD TO US THAT IT'S BEYOND REPAIR. SO WE'RE COMING HERE TO REPLACE IT WITH AN EXACT REPLICA, WITH THE PANELS AT THE BOTTOM PAINTED AS IT IS THE LIGHTS, THE WINDOWS JUST EXACTLY AS IT IS. OKAY. IS THE ORIGINAL? IS THE TRANSOM ORIGINAL? I BELIEVE SO. IS THAT STAYING? JUST THE DOORS BEING REPLACED? OH, YEAH THE TRANSOM IS STAYING JUST THE DOOR FOR CLARIFICATION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. MISZOWSKI? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? I BROUGHT MR. ABRAMSON. WOULD YOU SIGN IN, PLEASE? YES, I INSPECTED THE DOOR AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIX IT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF BLUSH AND LIPSTICK TO REPAIR THAT. YEAH, TO FIX THAT. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CONTRACTOR MAKING THE DOOR? NO, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THIS CASE. NO. OKAY I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION, SARAH. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE 24LC-016 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. BUT STRIKING CONDITION ONE A THAT IT HAS TO BE REBUILT SO THEY CAN INSTALL A NEW ONE. OKAY. SECOND SHARON SECONDED. DISCUSSION. YEAH, I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHERE DOORS, WINDOWS, EVERYTHING THAT'S WOOD AT SOME POINT IN TIME IS BEYOND ITS LIFESPAN. AND IT GETS TO A POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T REPAIR IT ANYMORE. IT'S JUST A CONSTANT. IT'S ONE THING IF YOU WERE REPAIRING A CRACK OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT THIS DOOR DOESN'T FIT AND THAT'S A BIG ISSUE THERE. AND IT HAPPENS OFTEN. MOST OFTEN IT STICKS, BUT THIS ONE DOESN'T FIT SO. ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, BY THE WAY. OKAY. MOVING FORWARD. BACK OVER. AND WE ARE GOING TO GO ON TO CASE 24LC-017. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AT 1509 MECHANIC. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A NEW GARAGE APARTMENT. SIX PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, AND NONE OF THOSE ARE RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SITE MODIFICATIONS, INCLUDING ADDITION OF A TWO STORY GARAGE APARTMENT IN THE REAR FACING THE ALLEY. IT IS SOMEWHAT VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN STREET DUE TO ITS ORIENTATION ON THE LOT COMPARED TO THE MAIN HOUSE. SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT IS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. AND OF COURSE, EXHIBIT A INCLUDES ADDITIONAL DETAILS. PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN THE STAFF REPORT. STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THE PROPOSED WORK CONFORMS TO THE ELEMENTS PRESCRIBED IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS REGARDING MATERIAL SIZE, PLACEMENT, AND THE USE OF LOWER SCALE ELEMENTS TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING PROPOSED STRUCTURES. ARCHITECTURAL PLANS SUBMITTED UTILIZE SMOOTH, HARDY SIDING THROUGHOUT WITH THE ADDITION OF A COMPOSITE MATERIAL FOR CERTAIN APPLICATIONS. THIS IS PERMISSIBLE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY IN LOCATION D NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE, WHERE OF COURSE MORE FLEXIBILITY MAY BE CONSIDERED. DOORS AND WINDOW DOORS ARE PROPOSED TO BE FIBERGLASS, SOME OF WHICH WILL INCLUDE GLASS LIGHTS. THE WINDOWS WILL BE VINYL CLAD SINGLE HUNG WINDOWS BOTH TRIMMED WITH SMOOTH, HARDY MATERIAL, AND THIS ONCE AGAIN CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. PLANS SUBMITTED INCLUDE ELEVATED DECK TO ACCESS THE UPSTAIRS AREA, AS WELL AS TREE WOOD STAIRCASE WITH SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN, TYPICALLY APPROVED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH ALSO CONFORMS. THE PROPOSED ROOFING WILL COMPOSITION TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE'S ROOF, WHICH ONCE AGAIN CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. AND FINALLY ACCORDING TO THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, THE BUILDING WILL BE SOMEWHAT VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN STREET. [00:10:05] HOWEVER, THAT VIEW IS SIGNIFICANTLY BLOCKED BY THE MAIN HOUSE, WHICH DOES, OF COURSE, INCLUDE A TWO STORY ADDITION AS HIGH AS OR HIGHER THAN PROPOSED GARAGE APARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH FIVE. AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AND THEN THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AT THE BOTTOM SHOWING WHERE THAT GARAGE APARTMENT WILL BE NEXT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE ABOUT WHERE THAT LITTLE GARDEN GATE IS, IS GOING TO BE THE REALLY THE ONLY AREA YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THE GARAGE APARTMENT FROM THE STREET. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. DANIEL, CAN YOU HOLD THAT SHOT RIGHT THERE? BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT YOU YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND STORY FROM THERE BETTER THAN YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FRONT. ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND SIDE TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS THE SECOND STORY TO THAT HOUSE, IF THAT ISN'T CLEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I AM GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE CLIENT AND OR REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT. IF YOU COULD SIGN YOUR NAME, SIGN YOUR NAME AND STATE YOUR NAME. SIGN AND STATE YOUR NAME. I'LL GET IT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, AFTER SO MANY CASES, I START TO FADE. MY SECOND ONE OF THE DAY. THIS IS YEAH DRAWING ME. MY NAME IS BRAD EASTERWOOD. 123 25TH STREET. AND I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON, YOU'RE CORRECT. AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD VIEW OF THE BACK ADDITION. THAT ACTUALLY WAS A PREVIOUS BACK HOUSE THAT WAS THEN MOVED AND ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY HOUSE THERE. SO SO THE THE PROPERTY HAS A HISTORY OF HAVING AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THERE IN THE BACK OF THE AT THE BACK OF THE ALLEY. THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AS DANIEL MENTIONED, THANK YOU FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION. AND BASICALLY MEETS ALL OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS. IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL FOOTPRINT ON THE SITE. IT'S REALLY JUST A STUDIO APARTMENT FOR THE OWNER'S DAUGHTER'S DAUGHTER, I SHOULD SAY. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. EASTERWOOD? NO, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WISH I WISH COMMISSIONER LANG WAS STILL HERE BECAUSE SHE ACTUALLY USED TO OWN THIS HOUSE, RIGHT? RIGHT. SO I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HEARD HER INPUT. SO IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO, I'M GONNA BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SHARON 23LC-017 I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS PROPERTY AND C OMPLIANCE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. OKAY. DO I HAVE A, SARAH SECONDED. DISCUSSION. I JUST THINK IT'S SO EXCITING BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFICULT MARKET AREA YOU KNOW, BACK THERE ON MARKET. AND THESE OWNERS HAVE COME TO US BEFORE WITH OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEY JUST KEEP GOING FORWARD AND MARCHING FORWARD. AND THE HOUSE JUST KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HOPE HAPPENS WITH ALL THE PROPERTIES ON HISTORIC DISTRICTS. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE ANYTHING BUT MAYBE A WEATHERVANE SOMEDAY. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. MOVING ON. AS YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY WHEN WE'RE DONE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? AM I MISSING ANYTHING? I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO MOVE ON AND MISS A CASE. NO. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION NEXT TIME? NO. JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT OUR NEXT MEETING JUNE 17TH, WAS CANCELED BECAUSE NO CASES WERE SUBMITTED. THE CASE, THE MEETING DATE AFTER THAT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE CANCELED BECAUSE OF THE 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY. SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOT UNTIL JULY 15TH. SO YOU ALL HAVE A VERY NICE BREAK. JULY 15TH. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN THESE CASES BEFORE, BUT I [00:15:02] FEEL LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT PERHAPS THESE THINGS COULD BE MOVED TO ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL WHEN SOMEONE IS COMING IN, AND ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS AN EXACT REPLICA OF WHAT THEY HAVE, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, AND THEY HAVE SHOWN AND VERIFIED THAT WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE IS NOT FUNCTIONING AND OR SAFE. THAT THIS REALLY SEEMS LIKE IT COULD EVEN GO TO A CONSENT AGENDA OR EVEN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO THINK ABOUT THAT AND I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE DISCUSSION FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? YEAH. WHAT DO YOU THINK CATHERINE? YES, YES I AGREE. ALL RIGHT. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.