OKAY. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. [Landmark Commission on April 15, 2024.] [00:00:04] TODAY IS MONDAY, APRIL 15TH, 2024, AND THE TIME IS 4:00. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER ALBERSTADT. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BAKER. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER. PEOPLE. VICE CHAIRPERSON CLARK. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FITTS. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FLINT-BUDDE. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. PRESENT. CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS. PRESENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? DO WE FIND ANY CORRECTIONS OR CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE? EVERYBODY A SECOND. TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. ARE WE ALL GOOD WITH THE MINUTES? OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. MOVING ON. CATHERINE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN RECEIVED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARING. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, CASE 24, LLC-012. ALL RIGHT, 24LC-012. THIS IS 1828 AVENUE M AND A HALF. IS REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT DOOR. THERE WERE SIX PUBLIC NOTICES SENT. NONE OF THOSE WERE RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REPLACE EXISTING FRONT DOOR. THE EXISTING DOOR OPENING IS SHOWN. SHOW SIGNS? IT WAS IT LIKELY INCLUDED A TRANSOM IN THE PAST. AT SOME POINT, THAT UPPER PORTION APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN ENCLOSED. THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL IS INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT A. PLEASE NOTE THE APPROPRIATE DESIGN STANDARDS. STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THE MODIFICATIONS ARE IN LOCATION A PRIMARY FACADE HOWEVER THE DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFICALLY STATE ORIGINAL DOOR SIZES AND SHAPES SHOULD BE RETAINED. AND AGAIN, IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN SOME EVIDENCE THAT A TRANSOM WAS THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME. IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THE EXISTING FRONT DOOR WAS RELEASED TO THE HOUSE. BUT NO HISTORIC PHOTOS WERE AVAILABLE. PROPOSED REPLACEMENT FRONT DOORS, RELATIVELY SIMPLE, HAVING TWO LIGHTS ABOVE TWO PANELS. THIS IS ARCHITECTURALLY HARMONIOUS WITH EXISTING WINDOWS ADJACENT AND WITH THE OVERALL NATIONAL FOLK STYLE OF THE HOUSE, AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO RESTORE THE TRANSOM ABOVE THE DOOR. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS. I BELIEVE IT IS TWO THROUGH SIX. AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE. SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THERE. WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANTS DRAWING SHOWING HOW THE PROPOSED DOOR AND TRANSOM WOULD YOU KNOW, RELATE TO THE EXISTING WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE. WE HAVE A PHOTO OF THE PROPOSED DOOR THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO USE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE HAVE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THIS CUTOUT THAT IS TO EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A TRANSOM THERE, AND I'M NOT SEEING ANY EVIDENCE OF A TRANSOM. I SEE A STUD IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WALL. LOOKS TO BE OLD ORIGINAL LUMBER. I SEE THE GHOSTING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT, WHICH WAS FROM A PLASTER AND LATH. SO HOW ON ON WHAT DID YOU DETERMINE ON THIS PHOTO THAT THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF A TRANSOM THERE? GENERALLY YOU WOULD SEE THE JAMB AT LEAST EVEN IF THEY REMOVE THE WINDOW, YOU WOULD SEE THE JAMB, BUT THERE'S NO JAMB THERE. THERE'S JUST FRAMING. THOSE BOARDS ARE CUT THOUGH TO THAT SIZE. OR, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, LOOKING ON THE LEFT SIDE, THOSE FOUR BOARDS, THEY'RE CUT TO FIT THAT SPACE. IT IS HARD TO TELL THOUGH FROM THIS PHOTO. YEAH I MEAN YOU COULD I THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD SAY IT WOULD LEAN ME TO THIS IS THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE AGE OF THE HOUSE, I BELIEVE IT'S 1870S. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK IT WAS 1870S, 1890, ACCORDING TO OUR HISTORIC SITES INVENTORY. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT, DANIEL? 1890, ACCORDING TO THE SITES INVENTORY. THAT'S IT'S NOT ALWAYS ACCURATE, BUT IT'S A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. TRANSOMS THERE. YES. THAT AND THE FACT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THIS OPENING SHOWN WAS INFILLED WITH A DIFFERENT KIND OF MATERIAL. POTENTIALLY LEADS US TO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TRANSOM IS PROBABLY A REASONABLE GUESS. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I'LL GET BACK TO MY PAGE. HOW RUDE OF ME, MR. BECKER. MR. AND MRS. BECKERMAN AND BELTRAN. YES. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN. I FELL DOWN AND HURT MYSELF YESTERDAY. OH, NO. YEAH. [00:05:26] YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AND THEN MY NAME IS JEAN BECKERMAN. AND YOU CAN DESCRIBE YOUR PROJECT OR JUST SAY YOU'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY. WELL, I PURCHASED THE HOUSE, AND WHEN I PURCHASED IT, THE FRONT DOOR WAS LIKE THAT. IT'S IT'S GOT A PIECE OF WOOD OVER WHERE THE GLASS USED TO BE. AND WHEN WE STARTED TO REMODEL IT, THE CONTRACTOR TOLD ME HE HAD REMOVED THAT, AND HE SAID THERE WAS EITHER A TALL DOOR THERE OR THERE WAS ONE OF THOSE TRANSOMS THERE. SO WE TOOK PICTURES OF IT AND. CONTACTED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THAT. IT LOOKS HORRIBLE RIGHT NOW THE WAY THAT IT IS. A QUICK QUESTION. HOW TALL ARE THE WALK THROUGH WINDOWS? DO YOU KNOW? IT GOES UP TO NINE FEET. YEAH. OKAY, SO THAT ABOUT FITS. YOU'VE GOT A SEVEN FOOT DOOR THERE AND THEN. YEAH, YEAH. AND I WANT TO MAKE IT EXACTLY EQUAL LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES. HOW THE TRANSOM. THAT'D BE A BAD PLACE AND WINDOW WITH A FRAME. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DO THIS, THIS PICTURE. IT SAYS SECOND CHOICE ON IT. OKAY. YOU HAVE A FIRST. MY FIRST CHOICE WAS TO HAVE JUST ONE TALLER DOOR. BUT THEN I WAS TOLD THAT Y'ALL COULD ONLY LOOK AT ONE. I WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE CHOICE. SO THE TRANSOM WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY ONE TO BE APPROVED. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO OR ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. CAN WE GET A MOTION ON CASE JULIE ON CASE 24 WHERE AM I? 24LC-012. JULIE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WITH STAFF CONDITIONS 24, LC 012. I'LL SECOND. SECOND. DISCUSSION. NO, I WILL SAY I'M SO PLEASED THAT YOU HAVE THE MATCHING RAILING GOING DOWN THE STAIRS. SO MUCH, SO OFTEN THAT'S LOST. AND THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE HOUSE. OKAY. ARE WE ALL READY? ALL IN FAVOR? IT PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR HOUSE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. OKAY. MOVING ON. THE AGENDA WE HAVE WHERE ARE MY NOTES? IN PERSON MEETING REQUIREMENTS ADAPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WAS AWARE OF A NEW ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. THAT AFFECTS THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT A COMMISSIONER CAN ATTEND, SHOULD ATTEND IN PERSON. SO THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED A REQUIREMENT THAT COMMISSIONERS ATTEND 75% OF THE MEETINGS A YEAR IN PERSON. PREVIOUSLY, THE REQUIREMENT WAS ATTENDANCE OF 75% OF THE MEETINGS. BUT THERE WAS NOT A DISTINCTION BETWEEN IN-PERSON ATTENDANCE AND VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE. THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TYPICALLY MEETS 19 TIMES A YEAR, SO A COMMISSIONER WOULD HAVE TO ATTEND AT LEAST 14 MEETINGS A YEAR IN PERSON IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE. SO WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON ALL OF OUR COMMISSION'S AGENDAS SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THE CHANGE. I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH KIND OF A TRANSITION DURING COVID, BUT I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT COUNCIL HAS DONE THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BRINGING HOMEOWNERS IN. WE'RE ASKING THEM TO BE HERE AND TALK TO US. AND I FEEL LIKE WE OWE IT TO THEM TO DUE DILIGENCE AND BE PRESENT TO HEAR THEIR CASE AND GIVE THEM THE BEST POSSIBLE ATTENTION. RIGHT. SO I'M GLAD I'M GLAD ABOUT THIS. ANYBODY ELSE DISAGREE THAT IT'S NICER TO BE IN PERSON, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RESIGN BECAUSE WE SPEND THREE MONTHS A YEAR IN MINNESOTA. AND I COUNTED ON BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, VIDEO IN. BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. YOU'RE RIGHT. SADLY, NANCY HAS SUBMITTED HER RESIGNATION FOR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS MEETING, WHICH I WAS GOING TO ANNOUNCE. YOU CAN STILL PARTICIPATE ELECTRONICALLY, VIRTUALLY, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO MEET THAT 75% THRESHOLD. SO IF IT'S POSSIBLE, THEN YOU CAN STILL DO IT. I HOPE WE CAN WORK IT OUT, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VERY COHESIVE COMMISSION, AND I HATE TO LOSE ANY, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO COME WITH YOUR CREDENTIALS AND EXPERIENCE WITH TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. [00:10:01] PLEASE, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT WORK. OKAY. DOES IT STICK OR SOMETHING? DOES THAT COUNT AS ONE OF YOUR ABSENCES? IT DOES. YEAH, YEAH. AND I HAD MY SON HAD SURGERY, DOUBLE HIP REPLACEMENTS AND MISSED TWO MEETINGS BECAUSE OF THAT. WELL I THINK THIS IS GOING FORWARD. CORRECT. YES. IT'S GOING FORWARD. SO THAT'S IN THE PAST COUNT OKAY. DOES ANY I ALSO JUST NEED TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT THIS MEANS IS NOT THAT YOU'RE AUTOMATICALLY BOOTED OFF THE BOARD. WHAT IT OFFERS A COMMISSIONER WHO'S IN THAT POSITION IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT REASONS WHY THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE THE 75% OF THE TIME. SO FOR SITUATIONS LIKE SURGERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M PRETTY DARN SURE THE COMMITTEE, THE COUNCIL JUST SAY PRESENT YOURSELF TO THE COMMISSIONER. IT IS.. PRESENT YOURSELF, THE COUNCIL AS TO, YOU KNOW, THE REASONS WHY YOU WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND. AND SO THAT'S REALLY IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT IS BEYOND YOUR ABILITY TO, TO RECTIFY AND YOU STILL WANT TO BE A COMMISSIONER ON THE BOARD, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN YOU CAN FIGURE OUT AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. AND THE PROCESS HAS GENERALLY BEEN IN PRE-COVID DAYS, WE WE HEARD JUST A COUPLE OF THESE CASES. IT WAS IT WAS NOT IT'S NOT COMMON. PEOPLE WOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL AFTER CATHERINE NOTIFIES THEM AND COUNCIL THAT THEY FAILED OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR TO MEET THE MEET THE THE THRESHOLD. THEY'VE COME TO COUNCIL AND WE TALK ABOUT IT. AND IN A COUPLE OF CASES WE'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN OR I CAN ONLY THINK OF ONE. I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL, BUT I CAN ONLY THINK OF ONE IN, IN RECENT MEMORY THAT WE'VE TOLD SOMEBODY THAT ON THE SECOND TIME AROUND, BECAUSE THEY CAME TO COUNCIL THE SECOND TIME AND NOTHING HAD CHANGED. AND SO WE EXCUSED THEM FROM SERVICE. BUT AND CATHERINE REMIND ME, DOES THE YEAR TYPICALLY START ACTUALLY IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER 1ST, OR IS IT FROM JANUARY TO DECEMBER? IT'S THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO IT'S ALWAYS MOVING. I'M SORRY. IT'S THE PREVIOUS YEAR. SO IT'S ALWAYS MOVING. IT'S NOT JUST LIKE THE CALENDAR YEAR. IT'S ROLLING. ROLLING. IT'S A ROLLING YEAR. YEAH. WELL I'LL TRY YOU KNOW PLEASE, PLEASE. YEAH. PLEASE. MAYBE YOU COULD FLY HOME FOR A VISIT. WELL, I DO FLY HOME. WELL, THEN COME HOME FOR A MEETING. I JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE. MAYBE WE COULD GET A STAND IN. WE COULD DO A STAND IN. NO, THAT'S JULIE DOWN THERE. OKAY. I'M SAYING IS LOOK AT YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES AND THEN MAKE YOUR DETERMINATION BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW. SO. RIGHT. AND I'M SURE COUNCIL WANTS TO KEEP STRONG COMMISSIONERS ON THE DAIS WHEN WE HAVE THEM. AND WE HAVE A GREAT CREW HERE. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR DISCUSSION? NO. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. OKAY. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.