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>> GOD BLESS ME WITH [OVERLAPPING].
>> GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING.
[1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
I AM OFFICIALLY CALLING THE WORKSHOP MEETING FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.WELCOME EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE TODAY.
THANK YOU THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE AND STAFF.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE THIS MORNING.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE WATCHING THIS ON THE STREAMING DEVICE AND IN YOUR HOMES THIS MORNING, GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.
IT'S A RAINY MORNING, BUT WE ARE ALL HERE.
LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE, MA'AM.
[LAUGHTER] TRY SOMETHING NEW TODAY.
>> THERE YOU GO. I LIKE COUNCILMAN BOUVIER'S HERE. THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD.
>> LET'S MOVE ON. WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 3A FIRST, PLEASE, JANELLE.
[3.A. Clarification Of Consent And Regular City Council Agenda Items - This Is An Opportunity For City Council To Ask Questions Of Staff On Consent And Regular Agenda Items (1 Hour)]
>> ITEM 3A, CLARIFICATION OF CONSENT AND REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS.
>> WE GO AROUND THE TABLE TO SEE WHAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER HAS, THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, TO CLARIFY, THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
I'M GOING TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING FIRST.
I'D LIKE TO START WITH 10E FIRST.
COUNSEL, JUST TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
IN YOUR PACKET THAT INVOLVES OUR ELECTION COMING UP ON MAY 4TH, IN OUR POLLING LOCATIONS.
IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET MATERIAL THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN CORRECTED NOW, AND NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT [NOISE] PACKET MATERIAL FOR THAT.
IT'S10E. THAT WAS CHANGED ONLINE.
BUT JANELLE, WOULD YOU MIND GOING OVER THAT WITH US, PLEASE?
>> SURE. THIS IS JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM THAT WE DO EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN ELECTION, ONCE THE FILING PERIOD IS CLOSED AND WE KNOW ALL THE COUNTY-WIDE LOCATIONS.
WE GET THOSE FROM THE COUNTY AND WE INCLUDE THOSE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
BUT WE DID HAVE SOME CLEANUP ITEMS IN THE FIFTH, WHEREAS ON PAGE 1, WHERE IT LISTS ALL OF THE FIVE LOCATIONS FOR THE CITY, THOSE WERE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, SO WE PLACED THOSE IN THE ORDER [NOISE] FOR COUNSEL.
THEN IF YOU FLIP OVER TO EXHIBIT 1, FOR EARLY VOTING, YOU'LL NOTICE ALL OF THE COUNTY LOCATIONS THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CHANGED IS THE MAIN EARLY VOTING POLLING PLACE FOR THE COUNTY, IS NOW IN TEXAS CITY.
IT'S THE TEXAS CITY ELECTIONS OFFICE.
THE ELECTIONS OFFICE HAS MOVED FROM THE JUSTICE CENTER TO TEXAS CITY.
SO THAT HAS TO BE THE MAIN EARLY VOTING LOCATION.
>> WHICH IS A SHAME, BECAUSE THE DAY THAT WAS THE BEST DAY IF YOU WERE RUNNING FOR AN OFFICE WAS ALWAYS TUESDAY, BECAUSE THAT WAS JURY DAY.
>> THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY WOULD TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE, WHILE THEY WERE DOING DUTY. [LAUGHTER]
>> FOR EARLY VOTING WE STILL HAVE GALVESTON COUNTY COURTHOUSE, SEASIDE BAPTIST CHURCH, MOODY METHODIST, GISD ADMIN, AND THE 30TH STREET PUMP STATION.
IF YOU TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR ELECTION DAY.
WE DID LOSE ONE VOTING LOCATION ON THE ISLAND FOR ELECTION DAY, AND THAT WAS THE COUNCIL'S NUMBER 5 IN THE PRIORITY, WHICH IS GISD ADMIN.
WE STILL HAVE FOUR LOCATIONS ON THE ISLAND FOR ELECTION DAY.
>> JANELLE, WOULD YOU QUICKLY MENTION WHY WE HAD TO CHANGE TO TEXAS CITY, AND DROP THE VOTING ON ITEM?
>> YES. THE TEXAS CITY LOCATION IS JUST BECAUSE THE COUNTY ELECTIONS OFFICE IS NOW LOCATED THERE, AND THEIR OFFICE HAS TO BE THE MAIN EARLY VOTING LOCATION.
THEN THE REASON THAT WE LOST GISD ADMIN, IS BECAUSE AFTER REDISTRICTING IN 2020, NOW THE ISLAND IS ALL IN ONE COUNTY PRECINCT, AND SO ONE COUNTY PRECINCT [NOISE] CAN ONLY HAVE DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF ALL THE OTHER COUNTY PRECINCT VOTING AREAS.
THERE WERE OTHER ENTITIES WITHIN THE COUNTY PRECINCT THAT WE RESIDE IN THAT ARE HAVING ELECTIONS LIKE JAMAICA BEACH,
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SANTA FE, I THINK MUD 12, IS ALSO HAVING ONE, AND SO WE'RE JUST LIMITED ON THAT.ANY QUESTIONS FOR JANELLE, COUNSEL? LET'S MOVE AROUND THE TABLE HERE.
MIKE, YOU WANT TO LEAD US OFF?
>> THIS IS THE DEMOLITION OF THE PAVILION.
[NOISE] WITHIN THE CONTRACT MY QUESTION IS, THERE IS A LINE ITEM ON THERE FOR IMPORT SAND.
BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE THE CONTRACT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS THERE.
>> THANK YOU. DUDLEY ANDERSON, ARCHITECTURAL PROJECT MANAGER, FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
THERE IS AN ACCOMMODATION IN THE CONTRACT FOR BROADEN BEACH SAND.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THAT ONE.
>> EXCUSE ME, MARIA. BY ALL MEANS YOUR QUESTION WILL COME UP.
DID YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT THE PARK BOARD HAD ABOUT THE TIMING ON THAT?
>> LET'S GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
>> WE HAD OUR MONTHLY MEETING YESTERDAY BETWEEN THE HEADS OF THE PARK BOARD AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE WENT OVER THIS LINE ITEM PRETTY EXTENSIVELY.
I WAS VERY IMPRESSED THAT THE COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD TO COME UP WITH A TIMELINE TO DEMO THE BUILDING THAT TOOK AN ACCOUNT FOR TOURIST EXPERIENCE, REVENUE, SAFETY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE WORKED THROUGH A TIMELINE, AND IF THIS GETS APPROVED, THE TIMELINE WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE PARK BOARD AND THE CITY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD PROJECT.
>> TO EXPAND ON THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY VERY HARD TO GET THE BEACH PATROL AND THEIR TRAILERS BY MEMORIAL DAY.
WE HAVE SOME ASBESTOS IN THE BUILDING THAT WAS ADDED AFTER THE BUILDING WAS BUILT THAT WE DISCOVERED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REMEDIATE.
ONCE WE AWARD THE CONTRACT WE CAN ALWAYS SIT DOWN WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND TRY TO INFLUX ON DATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TRY TO AVOID ANY TRULY PEAK TIMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE AN ISSUE OUT THERE.
BUT WE'RE FOOT TO THE FLOOR TRYING TO GET THE BUILDING DOWN AND MAINLY GET PETER SITUATED BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY.
>> CORRECT. I THINK TO EXPAND JUST A LITTLE MORE ON THAT.
THAT THE HEAVY DEMOLITION WOULD OCCUR TOWARDS THE END OF THE SUMMER, SO THAT IT WOULDN'T REALLY IMPEDE OR TAKE AWAY FROM THE TOURIST EXPERIENCE THAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE DURING THE SUMMERTIME.
WHEN THAT MOTION COMES UP, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON MAKING THAT MOTION, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE IN THERE THAT OUR GUIDANCE TO THE CITY MANAGER ON WORKING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY ON THIS TOPIC.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, IN TERMS OF THE TRAILERS, WE'RE GETTING THEM SET.
WE'RE GETTING THEM ALL SET UP. WE'RE GETTING POWER AND WATER AND SEWER TO THEM.
THE PARK BOARD IS GETTING THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE TRAILERS IN TERMS OF COMCAST, WHICH WE THINK MAY BE THE LONG LEAD ITEM.
>> I HAVE HAD PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME, CITIZENS, AND THE CONCERN IS VERY MUCH FOR THE JUNIOR LIFEGUARDS AND THE LIFEGUARDS.
THE TRAILERS THAT WE'RE GETTING ABOUT THIS, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT ALL WE TALKED ABOUT, HOW BIG THEY ARE.
>> THEY'RE WHATEVER PETER SAID HE NEEDED.
>> THERE WILL BE EXTRA SHADE STRUCTURES?
>> WE'LL PROVIDE SHADE STRUCTURES IF THEY'RE NECESSARY, YES.
>> BECAUSE EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE SUMMER OF LAST YEAR, I THINK GETS BURNED INTO OUR MINDS.
IF WE HAVE MULTIPLE DAYS OF 100-DEGREE WEATHER, IT COULD VERY MUCH BE AN ISSUE.
LET ME JUST UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THAT IN OUR PACKET.
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>> THE TRAILER GOT HERE ON DOWN HERE.
>> THE LAST ONE ARRIVED LAST WEEK.
>> JUST WITH THE LAST KEY IN FLIPPING EVERYTHING FORWARD.
>> THE WATER AND ALL THAT WILL BE SET UP BY.
>> OUR GUYS ARE DOING THAT NOW.
>> WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN LOCATION TO WHERE THE DEMOLITION?
>> TO THE RIGHT OF FRONT ENTRY.
>> TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT ENTRY.
I GUESS I'M TRYING TO THINK BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BIGGEST CONCERNS PEOPLE REACHED OUT ABOUT.
>> POINT OUT THOUGH, THE JUNIOR GUARD HASN'T BEEN IN THE PAVILION FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY ISSUES.
>> THEY HAD SOMETHING THEY COULD CONNECT TO, THEY HAD SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY COULD TAKE A SHOWER.
THEY HAD THINGS THAT THEY'D STILL INTERACTED.
>> LAST TIME I WAS THERE, THEY USE THOSE MEETING ROOMS?
>> MY APOLOGIES, I THOUGHT THEY WERE OUT OF THERE.
>> I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE JUNIOR LIFEGUARD CHILDREN.
I'VE HEARD FROM WAVE WATCHERS THAT ARE VERY MUCH BECAUSE THEY NEED A SPACE WHEN SOMEONE DROWNS TO DEAL WITH THE FAMILIES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, LIKE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH VOTING FOR THIS AND WHERE WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE AND PARK BOARDS ON BOARD.
>> IN TERMS OF THE LIFEGUARDS, WE'VE DONE WHATEVER PETER CITY NEEDED.
>> BUT I'M STILL GOING TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE IT TO THE OTHER BUILDING.
WHEN WE'RE IN THAT FINAL STAGE, WE SHOULD PLAN A REALLY COOL IMPLOSION AND SELL TICKETS TO IT, AND THEN WE WOULD GENERATE MORE MONEY. JUST A THOUGHT.
>> I THINK THE CONTRACTOR HAS EYES ON SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE BUILDING.
>> THAT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR IMPLOSION.
>> ESPECIALLY WITH SO GRANDS EASY AS YOU THINK.
>> I WANT TO ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER'S THOUGHTS TOO.
IT WAS A GOOD MEETING AND THE PARK BOARD AND THE CITY CAME TOGETHER TO WORK ON A SOLUTION THAT I THINK WAS ACCEPTABLE FOR ALL THE OTHER CONFERENCE.
LET'S SEE HERE.11-I, WHICH CARRIES OVER TO THE HOOK UP OF THE TRAILERS.
I KNOW THE SCOPE OF WORK IS TO HOOK THE TRAILERS UP AND I'M GUESSING IT'S FROM POLE TO.
>> WE HAVE TO BUILD AN ELEVATED PLATFORM TO SUPPORT ALL THAT.
>> ARE THEY BUILDING THE PLATFORM?
>> THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S IN THEIR SCOPE?
>> WE'VE MODIFIED IT FOR SPEED AND FOR RESILIENCY.
WE'VE GONE TO ROUND POLES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> IT'S NOT JUST A SIMPLE, FROM THE POLE TO THE METER CAN TO THE DISCONNECT?
>> WE HAVE TO BUILD AN ELEVATED PLATFORM AND PUT TRANSFORMERS ON IT.
>> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I WAS WONDERING WHERE THE EXTRA COST WAS.
>> IT IS A VERY SIMILAR STRUCTURE BEHIND THE PAVILION RIGHT NOW.
>> THE CITY HAS TO PUT TRANSFERS?
>> WE HAVE TO BUILD PLATFORM FOR IT.
>> WE JUST PUT SWITCH GEAR UP THERE.
THE TRANSFORMER IS ACTUALLY ON THE POLE FOR OUR COMPANY.
NOW WHEN WE BUILD THE NEXT PART OF THIS, THERE WILL BE A TRANSFORMER IN THE BUILDING, BUT NOT FOR THE TRAILERS.
>> WHEN WE BUILD PERMANENT FACILITY, WE ANTICIPATE USING THIS PLATFORM AS PART OF THE PERMANENT FACILITY ALSO, SO SOME OF THAT COST WOULD BE SHARED DOWN THE FUTURE.
>> IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GENERATOR TO THE TIME THAT YOU MENTIONED, SO YOU SAID UNTIL?
WE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A GENERATOR.
>> WELL, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET THE PLAY.
>> WHAT IF WE DO HAVE SOME EVENT TRAILER?
>> I BELIEVE HAS A SMALL GENERATOR.
>> WE HAVE A TON. THE TRAILERS ARE GOING TO BE OFF TO THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK MY EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN ANSWERED SO I'M GOOD. I'LL REST.
>> MARIE, WOULD YOU WANT TO COME BACK?
>> I THINK IT WAS MR. ANDERSON HAS TO COME BACK WITH THE UPDATE, JUST EXPLAINING THE UPDATE FOR THE FOURTH FLOOR.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD HAVE SAID ANYWAY.
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>> YES. I DON'T NEED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AGAIN.
>> THE FOURTH FLOOR IS DAYS FROM COMPLETION AND WE HOPE THAT WE CAN GET COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO UP THERE PROBABLY NEXT WEEK AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE'LL BE MOVING IN NEXT WEEK AND THE WEEK AFTER.
IT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR STAFF TO WORK.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE VERY PROUD OF IT.
>> IT'S ALSO A INDICATIVE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING AS WE MOVE DOWN TO THREE, AND THEN LONG-TERM, WE PLAN ON ONE AND TWO BEING TOUCHED AT SOME POINT, BUT THOSE WILL BE MORE HISTORIC IN NATURE.
WE ARE THREE AND FOUR OR MORE OF OUR WORKHORSE FLOORS AND THEY ARE VERY FUNCTIONAL.
>> WE HAVE DAVID AND MARIE. DAVID.
>> YOU JUST GOING TO MOVE THREE UP AND THEN MOVE THREE TO FOUR?
>> FOUR IS MAINLY WE'RE CONSOLIDATING IT.
THAT'S SPREAD OVER ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT SPOTS RIGHT NOW INTO THAT FLOOR IS THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF IT ALONG WITH THE FACILITIES GROUP WHICH IS SPREAD BETWEEN THREE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO HAVE A NICE VIEW.
>> THAT WOULD BE HOPE, AND SHE AND I ARE GOING TO THUMB WRESTLE OVER THAT.
>> THAT'S A NICE SPACE UP THERE.
>> I KNOW I LIKE IN THE THE WHOLE REPAIR JOB WE'VE HAD HERE TO I-45 SEEMS LIKE IT KEEPS ON GOING, CHANGE ORDERS AND MORE MONEY AND IT'S NEVER FINISHED.
THIS IS THE FOURTH CHANGE ORDER?
>> I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD ONE.
>> THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN FAIRLY MINOR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ADDING THE FIRE LINE INTO THE BUILDING, AND THAT WAS A MAJOR ISSUE.
>> THAT'S MAINLY TO SAVE COST ON FUTURE FUTURES.
THAT WAY WOMEN, WE COULD HAVE RIGGED IT AND HAD FIRE SUPPRESSION ON THE FOURTH FLOOR, BUT THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO COME AND DO THAT AGAIN.
IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN WE DID THE OTHER FLOORS.
>> IT WASN'T EVEN COMPLETELY NECESSARY TO HOOK UP THE FIRE LINE ON TOP FLOOR.
WE JUST WANTED IN THERE SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REDO IT WHEN WE PUT THE FIRE LINE IN THE WHOLE BUILDING.
NOW WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HOOK IT UP AT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A REASONABLE EXPENSE.
>> WE HAVE COUNCILMAN FINKLEA AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER STELLMANN.
I'D LIKE TO COMMEND THE CITY FOR THIS WORK.
WORKING IN AN EXISTING SPACE CAN BE VERY COSTLY DUE TO UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS.
IF YOU TAKE OUT THE ADDITION OF THE CHANGE ORDER THAT ADDED IN THE STANDPIPE WERE ONLY 4.4% OVER BUDGET.
I THINK IN A BUILD OUT OF THIS SIZE AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS THAT YOU COULD HAVE RUN INTO, YOU'LL NEED TO BE COMMENDED FOR THAT.
>> DO WE ANTICIPATE ANY OTHER CHANGE ORDERS?
>> THERE ARE A FEW MINOR THINGS THAT WE FOUND RUNNING THE STANDPIPE.
THERE'S SOME CONDUIT IN THE WAY AND WE HAVE TO MOVE THOSE A LITTLE BIT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW THOUSAND DOLLAR.
>> WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ABOUT 15% OVER THE ORIGINAL BUDGET.
WE CAN GO TO WHAT? 20, OR 45, 25?
>> NO, I DON'T LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HIT 25 DURING A PROJECT?
>> HOW DO YOU REBID A PROJECT WHEN YOU'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION? THAT CAN'T BE.
>> TRY TO BREAK IT OFF AND HAVE A SEPARATE BID.
>> SEPARATE CONTRACT TO ELECT.
>> FOR THAT EXTREME COST WISE.
>> CAN'T GO WITHOUT YOU TO, 11 - O.
>> I KNOW YOU SPEAK OF THE FIVE MANHOLES UP FIRST STREET.
IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THOUGHT LAST TIME THERE WAS SOMETHING NEW THAT WAS GOING ON IN MANHOLES, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE?
>> IN THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, [OVERLAPPING] YES, SIR. OH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR [OVERLAPPING]
>> HE DOESN'T LIKE TO DO THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE TRANSLES TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT THAT WE PURCHASED.
THAT WAS MORE FOR THE MAIN LINES, AND THAT WAS FOR THE SERVICES.
WE DO USE TRANSLES TECHNOLOGIES ON THE MANHOLES FOR RESTORATION, AND WE HAD DONE SO ON 51ST IN BROADWAY, WHERE WE HAD THAT BIG COLLAPSE OCCUR.
AFTER WE RENEWED THAT MANHOLE WE DECIDED THAT IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO LOOK AT ALL THE MANHOLES GOING DOWN 51ST, BECAUSE THAT'S A TRUNK MAIN.
WE FOUND FIVE MANHOLES THAT ARE IN BAD CONDITION, AND THEY'RE SO DEEP THAT THE HOLES THAT ARE ALREADY PUNCHED IN ARE ALLOWING A TON OF JUST GROUNDWATER TO FLOW IN.
IT LITERALLY LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE SEVERAL HOSES IN THERE JUST BLOWING WATER IN.
>> WE TESTED THE WATER AT ALL OF THEM TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T AN UNDERGROUND MAIN BREAK OCCURRING, IT WAS ALL GROUNDWATER JUST FROM THE DEPTH.
WE FEEL LIKE IF WE TAKE CARE OF THESE NOW IT'S CHEAPER, THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAD ON BROADWAY AND 51ST AS WELL.
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WHEN WE TAKE CARE OF IT IT'LL STOP ALL THAT INFLUENT INFILTRATION, [NOISE] BECAUSE OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, IT TAKES UP THE CAPACITY AND THEN WE'RE PAYING TO TREAT GROUNDWATER.>> ONCE WE GET WE ISSUED THE PO, THIS WILL BE FIXED WITHIN FOUR WEEKS OR LESS.
>> YOU'LL SEE THE TRUCKS POPPING MANHOLES, AND THEY'VE BEEN INSPECTING, I STOPPED AND TALKED TO HIM THE OTHER DAY.
WHILE TRINA'S HERE, SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
>>EXCUSE ME, I THINK WE HAVE A QUESTION. JOHN.
>> WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 51ST STREET MANHOLES.
WHERE ON 51ST STREET ARE THOSE MANHOLES? IS THAT IS THAT NORTH BROADWAY OR SOUTH BROADWAY?
>> SOUTH OF BROADWAY. WE INSPECTED THE ONES NORTH OF BROADWAY, AND THEY'RE FINE.
WHAT THEY NEED IS A GOOD CLEANING, AND WE HAVE TRUCKS DOING THAT ALREADY.
>> ARE THE ONES NORTH OF BROADWAY NEW, WITH THE 51ST STREET RECONSTRUCTION?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, I CAN VERIFY AND GET BACK WITH YOU.
>> I BELIEVE IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 75% OF THEM ARE, YES.
WE SAVED A COUPLE OF THEM I BELIEVE IN THE DESIGN, BUT I MAY BE WRONG.
>> THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE WATER FLOWING INTO THE MANHOLE IS FROM A BREACH IN THE ACTUAL MANHOLE?
>> YES. PIPES FLOW INTO THAT MANHOLE OF COURSE, THAT WATER IS NOT COMING FROM BREACHES IN THE PIPES THAT FEED IT, IT'S COMING FROM THE ACTUAL MANHOLE.
>> IT'S COMING FROM THE ACTUAL BODY.
LIKE AT THE BOTTOM OF A MANHOLE YOU HAVE THE BUNCH, YOU HAVE THE INVERT, AND YOU HAVE THE PIPES THAT COME IN, THE SANITARY SEWER PIPES THAT FLOW ABOVE THEM.
>> YOU'RE SEEING INFILTRATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'RE SEEING THE INFILTRATION JUST POURING THROUGH THE WALLS.
WHAT WE WERE DOING, BECAUSE THEY WERE SO DEEP WE WERE WE WERE FABRICATING CUPS TO GET IN THERE TO CAPTURE IT.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO CAPTURE SEWER WATER.THEN WE HAD OUR WATER GUYS TESTING IT, TO CHECK FOR CHLORINE RESIDUALS.
EVERY ONE OF THEM WERE NEGATIVE.
THEN WE LOOKED, WE THOUGHT MAYBE AT THE TIME THAT WE MIGHT HAVE AN INTERCONNECT BETWEEN THE STORM AND THE SANITARY SEWER, AND THAT MAYBE THAT THAT COULD BE LIKE STORM WATER.
WE ACTUALLY HAD A BET GOING ON ON WHICH IT WOULD BE, AND WE WERE BOTH OFF.
[LAUGHTER] HE BET THAT IT WOULD BE A MAIN BREAK, AND I BET IT WOULD BE FROM THE STORM.
BUT WE OPENED THE STORM BOXES ALONG 51ST, AND ON THE DAY THAT WE OPENED THEM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT THEY [NOISE] WERE COMPLETELY DRY.
WE KNEW IT WAS JUST THE GROUNDWATER FROM THE DEPTH.
YOU DO CONSTRUCTION HERE, SO YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU GET 2-3 FEET DOWN AND YOU'RE ALREADY CONTENDING WITH GROUNDWATER, AND THESE ARE LIKE 15-16 FEET DOWN.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MANHOLE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S AN AT&T MANHOLE, IT'S LIKE 20 FEET DOWN, AND EVERY TIME THEY DO WORK THEY PUMP OUT WATER.
>> WE TEST IT EVERY TIME JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT ANY KIND OF CHLORINATED WATER OR ANYTHING, OR ANY KIND OF BREAK.
THESE ARE OLD BRICK MANHOLES, SO THEY WEEP.
I WANTED TO CALL, 11V AND 11W, ARE TIED TOGETHER.
THIS IS SOMETHING TRINA AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE, AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF IT.
BACKTRACKING. IF YOU GO BACK TO 2014, OR SO, WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A PAVING MACHINE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MILLING MACHINE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THAT.
WE WERE JUST GETTING INTO THAT LINE OF WORK.
WE NOW HAVE THREE PAVERS, TWO MILLERS, AND WE'RE PAVING A STREET EVERY DAY.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS DOES IS WE'RE BUYING THESE SMALL PAVERS THAT WHEN WE GO OUT AND DO A UTILITY CUT, THE ACTUAL UTILITY CREW THAT'S ON SITE WILL BE ABLE TO REPAIR AND FIX THEIR OWN UTILITY CUT, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR OUR PAVING CREW.
NOW WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO PULL OUR PAVING CREW OFF OF A REGULAR PAVING JOB TO GO START DOING PATCHES.
THE OTHER BENEFIT TO THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE WANTED TO DO SINCE I GOT HERE, AND TRINA IS MAKING IT HAPPEN, IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT I CALL A WIDE SWATH PATCH CREW.
BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME STREETS THAT HAVE FAILURES IN CERTAIN AREAS, THAT ARE BIGGER THAN WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH PRO PATCH TRUCK, BUT THE WHOLE STREET DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPAVED.
OR MAYBE IT'S JUST AN INTERSECTION, OR MAYBE WE HAVE SOME WRINKLING AT AN INTERSECTION, OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BASICALLY ON ANY GIVEN DAY NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FULL PAVING CREW OUT DOING FULL STREET RECONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGE SWATH PAVING CREW THAT'S OUT FIXING THESE LARGER SWATHS.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE UTILITY CREWS PATCHING THEIR OWN UTILITY CUTS IN A WAY THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE.
TRINA HAS STARTED USING MORE STABILIZED SAND AND THINGS THAT WE WERE RELUCTANT TO DO IN THE PAST THAT WILL KEEP US FROM HAVING THE DIPS AFTER UTILITY CUT, EVERYTHING.
THIS CAN BE A BIG STEP FOR THE PEOPLE.
I THINK IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN OUR ROAD CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
IT'S ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THEY TOLD US WHEN THEY CAME IN THAT WE NEEDED TO BE DOING.
>> NO, I THINK MIKE WAS FIRST.
>> ON YOUR UTILITY PATCH, WHAT'S YOUR MINIMUM WIDTH THAT YOU COME BACK WITH?
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>> I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DEFINED A MINIMUM WIDTH.
BUT TYPICALLY WHEN THEY OPEN UP A TRENCHING, HEY, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO TO FOUR FEET IN WIDTH.
THEN SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DO HAVE WITH THE BIGGER ASPHALT REPAIR VEHICLES, IS THAT IF OUR WATER STAFF IS GOING ON TO SAY THEY'RE DOING LIKE A 100-FOOT RUN WITH A SEWER SERVICE OR A WATER SERVICE, THEY'RE GOING TO CUT LIKE A FOUR-FOOT WIDTH OR SO, MAYBE FIVE, SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE.
BUT WHEN WE BRING THE ASPHALT MACHINES OVER TO FIX THOSE, THE SMALLEST WIDTH OF THOSE ASPHALT MACHINES ARE EIGHT FEET, SO THEN THEY HAVE TO CUT A STREET OPEN WIDER, WHICH MAKES THE COST EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE.
I THINK WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO FOR US ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, THIS IS MUCH SMALLER EQUIPMENT, SO THE SMALLEST WIDTH OF THE MACHINE WILL GO DOWN TO A FOOT.
IT'LL LET US CONTROL THE WIDTH OF OUR TRENCH.
THEN ALSO WITH OUR STAFF NOW HAVING TO PATCH THEIR OWN CUT, IT MAY MAKE THEM MORE EFFICIENT IN THE PATH THAT THEY USED TO GET TO [NOISE] A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE EASIEST PATH.
IF I CAN HAVE A 10-FOOT RUN THAT'S FIVE-FOOT DEEPER OR 100-FOOT SHALLOW RUN, THEY'LL ALMOST PICK THE 100-FOOT SHALLOW RUN EVERY TIME.
BUT NOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE STREET CUT AND THE WHOLE PATCH, THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO RETHINK THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE THROWING ON ASPHALT.
>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO RESEARCH THE DURABILITY OF THE DIFFERENT WIDTHS OF PATCHES.
SMALLER PATCHES SEEM TO FAIL QUICKER, THAN LET'S SAY A 10-FOOT OR AN EIGHT-FOOT PATCH.
THAT WAS SOMETHING I STARTED WHEN I GOT HERE.
ACTUALLY WHEN WE GOT HERE, IF YOU LOOK, YOU'LL SEE PATCHES THAT ARE TOTALLY IRREGULAR, THEY LOOK LIKE A MOLE IN THE STREET.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY JUST THROW ASPHALT ON IT.
THE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS A LOT OF IT IS SO SMALL THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY USING MORE OF COAL PATCH TO EVEN FIX THESE THINGS, SO THAT IS WHAT IS NOT HOLDING UP.
WE REALLY THINK THAT THIS MACHINE WILL BE ABLE TO PUT A GOOD HOT PATCH DOWN.
WE ALWAYS OVER-CUT AND OVER-EXTEND, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT COME IN AND DO STREET CUTS.
I KNOW MY PASTOR IS NOT REAL HAPPY WITH ME, BUT WE MADE THEM DO THAT OVER HERE AT THE CATHOLIC SCHOOL TOO.
WHEN THEY HAD TO BREAK OPEN THE STREET, THEY HAD TO OVER-CUT AND REDO.
HE SAYS, "I'M PAVING HALF THE STREET," I SAID, "THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY WE FIX IT." SO Y'ALL VISIT ME IN PURGATORY.
>> WE'LL SEND DOWN WATER. [LAUGHTER]
>> I LIKE THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY I LOVE THE WAY OUR STREETS ARE BEING DONE.
WORDS I DIDN'T THINK EVER, WHATEVER.
BUT I ESPECIALLY LIKE HOW WE'RE COMING BACK AND SEALING THEM, AS WE DIDN'T DO BEFORE, WHICH WOULD THEN MAKE THEM HAVE SUCH A SHORT LIFE.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT BOTH THESE ITEMS AND I'D LIKE TO SAY YOU BOTH LOOK VERY DAPPER TODAY.
>> IS THERE A PARTY I'M NOT INVITED TO LATER OR SOMETHING? [LAUGHTER]
>> FIRST TIME IN LONGTIME I CAN TELL YOU OUR STREETS AND MUNICIPAL UTILITIES DEPARTMENT IS LEGIT.
I WILL ALSO, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT I'M GOING TO BRAG A LITTLE BIT, DRIVE HARBOR SIDE IN THE RAIN NOW, IT'S NOT FLOODED.
>> WE'LL SEE HERE SHORTLY. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE QUALIFY THAT, WEST OF 51ST STREET.
>> WOULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME THE HOT PATCH?
>> YES. THE HOT PATCH TRAILER.
WE HAVE A PRO PATCH TRUCK, THAT'S A PRETTY EXPENSIVE TRUCK, AND IT HAS WHAT THEY CALL A HOT BOX.
THE HOT BOX, WHEN WE PUT THE HOT MIX ASPHALT IN THERE, IT KEEPS IT HOT, AND IT KEEPS IT HOT FOR OVER 24 HOURS SO THAT THEY CAN USE IT THE NEXT DAY, THEY CAN STORE LEFTOVERS AND SO IF THERE'S ANY CUT THAT WE NEED TO GET TO, ESPECIALLY ON A WEEKEND, THEY HAVE IT IN THE HOT BOX.
WHEN THEY GET THERE, IT COMES EQUIPPED WITH EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF A QUICK PATCH, OR A SMALL PATCH, OR A POTHOLE.
THE PATCH TRAILER WILL BE A SMALLER VERSION OF THE SAME THING FOR THE WATER UTILITY GROUP, ONE, SO THAT THEY COULD STORE SOME ASPHALT.
THEN TWO, SO THEY COULD TAKE CARE OF MAYBE SOME QUICK SMALL CUTS.
>> IT KEEPS US FROM WASTING IT.
THE OTHER BENEFIT OF THIS IS NOW YOUR PRO PATCH TRUCK, WHICH IS ABOUT 50-50 DOING UTILITY CUTS AND DOING POTHOLE REPAIR, WILL BE 100% DOING POTHOLE REPAIR.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY SMALL PATCH CREW, A MEDIUM PATCH CREW, A FULL PAVING CREW, AND A UTILITY PATCH CREW NOW.
>> BEING THAT DISTRICT 6, HAS BEEN SO UNDERSERVED FOR SO MANY YEARS, [LAUGHTER] YOU PLANNING ON TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I'M GLAD TO SEE FROM LOTS OF PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 1.
>> SHARON, ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAD?
>> NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
>> BEFORE WE GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, MARIE.
>> WELL SINCE WE'RE DOING THE 11TH, I'LL START WITH THE 11 ITEMS.
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NO, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO 10.TWO OF THEM IN 10, AND ONE IS A HEARING, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL BRIEF OVERVIEW [NOISE] OF UPDATES THAT HAVE COME INTO PLAY SINCE I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT.
BUT THE FIRST ONE IN 10 HAS TO DO WITH MR. CARUSO.
I JUST WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE.
I READ THROUGH THE PACKET AND SO FORTH, AND BESIDES, EVERY TIME I HEAR HIM TALK, IT TAKES RIGHT ME BACK HOME.
>> GOOD MORNING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> MY NAME IS TONY CARUSO, I'M THE CITY'S PURCHASING MANAGER.
CAN I SIT AT THE CHAIR? I'VE NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT AT THE CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS LEWIS.
>> HOW CAN I HELP YOU, MS. ROB?
>> CAN I GET YOU A BURRITO? NO. [LAUGHTER].
>> FAIRLY CHEESESTEAK WOULD BE FILED.
>> I AM WORKING ON THAT, MY FRIEND.
MY QUESTION IS, WE'RE MAKING THIS CHANGE BECAUSE IT CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW.
>> THERE'S THREE ISSUES. IT CONFLICTS WITH STATE LAW, IT'S CONFUSING, AND IT IMPROPERLY DEFINES AN INFORMAL PURCHASE.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT CHARTER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE STILL FOLLOW CHARTER.
IT'S JUST CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE, ACTUALLY REMOVING THE LANGUAGE, BECAUSE IT'S REDUNDANT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.
>> AN INFORMAL BID MEANS IT DOESN'T?
>> AN INFORMAL BID IS FROM 0-50,000.
AT ONE TIME IT WAS 25,000, BUT NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH STATE LAW, NOT CHARTER HERE SO 0-50,000, IT'S THREE BIDS.
YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR HUB REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IT'S INFORMAL, I DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT FORMALLY ON A WEBSITE OR WITH ESBD.
REALLY IS, FOR EXAMPLE, TRINA CAN GO OUT AND GET THREE QUOTES ON A PROJECT, AND HE HAS TO FOLLOW THE LIKE I SAID, THE HUB'S REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S NOT LIKE SEVEN DAYS OR 10 DAYS.
THE FORMAL BID REQUIRES US A MINIMUM OF 14 DAYS.
THE INFORMAL BID, THAT REQUIRES LIKE 48 HOURS TO GET THREE BIDS.
WE GOT TWO BIDS, AND ONE WAS A NO-BID BUT HE GAVE THE VENDOR SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO BID THOSE PRODUCTS OR SERVICES, THEN THAT'S AN INFORMAL BID.
>> BUT IT STILL LEAVES MAKING THESE CHANGES, STILL LEAVE SUFFICIENT CONTROLS IN PLACE?
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. WE FILED THE STATE.
WE'VE GOT VERY SOUND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE.
AGAIN, WE FOLLOW THE STATE RULES, SO WE'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT THAN WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES WHICH IS A GOOD THING, BECAUSE FOR FEDERAL PURCHASES AS WELL THEY ALWAYS SAY FOLLOWING THE MOST STRINGENT RULES, AND WE DO THAT, SO WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL THINGS IN PLACE.
WE TELL THE FOLKS AT LEAST 48 HOURS TO GET US BIDS, AS OPPOSED TO 24 HOURS OR ONE DAY.
WE TRY TO BE FAIR AND BALANCE ACROSS THE FLOOR WITH GETTING THE BIDS, AND WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
I PROMISE YOU CHEESE STEAK AFTER THE MEETING.
>> [LAUGHTER] NO MAYONNAISE ON ME.
>> FIRST OFF, TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T GROW UP IN PHILADELPHIA.
A CHEESESTEAK SHOULD BE STEAK AND CHEESE.
YOUR CHOICE, FRIED ONIONS OR NOT.
>> [LAUGHTER] I KNOW IT'S OFF THE AGENDA, BUT JUST SAYING.
>> THIS IS NOT ON CHEESE STEAK, IS IT YOUR HONOR? [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
>> OH, YOU'VE NEVER HAD A GOOD ONE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] BUT THIS IS A LOADED QUESTION IF HE'S NOT A FAN OF CHEESE STEAK.
>> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BRING ONE FOR LUNCH.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE, I WILL.
>> SO 50,000 OR LESS, THREE BIDS?
>> THIS CAN BE FOR SERVICES AND COMMODITY.
>> GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF SERVICES, THAT YOU JUST.
>> IT SERVICES. A LOT OF IT SERVICES THAT COME IN UNDER 50,000.
EITHER IF WE HAVE A CONTRACT SAY WITH DIR, THEN THAT'S IMMATERIAL TO THE THREE-BID PROCESS BUT SERVICES CONSTRUCTION, YOU CAN HAVE A SMALL CONSTRUCTION COME IN AND DO A SMALL REMODEL, GET THREE BIDS IF IT'S UNDER $50,000.
THOSE TYPES OF SERVICES. ANY SERVICE, ANYTHING.
>> BUT ANYTHING OVER 15,000 STILL HAS TO COME TO Y'ALL.
>> STILL HAS TO COME TO Y'ALL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CITIES THAT DOES IT THAT WAY, BY THE WAY.
>> STILL GOT A SLOWDOWN WITH US IN THE WAY, I GUESS.
>> YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU GET THREE BIDS AND THEY'RE OVER 15,000 YOU GOT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU GET ON OUR AGENDA AND GET IT [OVERLAPPING].
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>> THAT'S BY CHARTER. I THINK WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES IN THE STATE THAT HAS THAT REQUIREMENT.
>> WE TRIED TO CHANGE THAT AND THE VOTERS DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.
>> THAT'S FINE. I'VE WORKED WITH IT FOR 10 YEARS. WE GET IT WORKING.
>> WE GET IT THROUGH. IT IS AN OBSTACLE.
>> IT FRUSTRATES THE CITIZENS SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE AS FAST AS THEY'D LIKE US TO, BUT THEY HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
>> VERY GOOD. MARIE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
I JUST WANTED TO DO IS, BECAUSE I'VE HAD CALLS, I'VE TALKED TO CITIZENS, I'VE TALKED TO DEVELOPER.
IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE POD?
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> 8B. WHICH ONE ARE YOU WANTING?
>> BUT IT IS IN PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I FIGURED I'D RATHER SAVE TIME EITHER WAY AND JUST GIVE AN UPDATE.
I'VE HAD PHONE CALLS AND CONCERNS OF THE STREET BEING SMALL.
I'VE HAD PHONE CALLS AND MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER WILL BE RUNNING A SEWER TO HIS PROJECT.
QUESTIONS THAT I HAD FROM CITIZENS, WELL, WE JUST GOT A NEW SEPTIC TANK.
DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO SEWER? I'VE HAD QUESTIONS, AND HOW MUCH IS THE CITY GIVING TO THE DEVELOPER TO DO? I KNOW, SO I'M GOING TO COVER THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HAD AND THE ANSWERS AND FEELINGS AS I DISCUSSED IT WITH PEOPLE.
>> EXCUSE ME, MARIE. ADRIEL HAS BEEN STANDING, ADRIEL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU SIT DOWN AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
>> I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> NO, I'M JUST MAKING COMMENTS AND UPDATE SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
>> ADRIEL, I'VE GOT QUESTIONS ON THAT PLEASE, SO HERE, GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SIT. I'M SORRY
>> TO COVER THE FIRST SET OF QUESTIONS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT SEWER FIRST BECAUSE IT'S THE MUCH EASIER PART.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN GALVESTON.
WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN TO DO A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN GALVESTON, I'LL NEVER FORGET, ONE, IT WAS A BEGINNING, ONE THEY CALLED THE EARLY DEVELOPMENT MEETING, IT WAS A GROUP AND THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP SOMETHING WEST OF INDIAN BEACH, AND THEY SAT DOWN AND THEY SAID, WHEN CAN YOU HAVE OUR SEWER, AND OUR STREETS, AND OUR PAVEMENTS IN? WE ALL SAT THERE AND CHUCKLED BECAUSE WHEN A DEVELOPMENT IS DONE, IT IS 100% THE DEVELOPERS COSTS TO PUT IN ALL INFRASTRUCTURE.
FIRST, I WILL COVER THE SEWER.
IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER IS PUTTING IN A SEWER LINE.
BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CITY FUNDED PROJECT, IT IS NOT MANDATORY FOR PEOPLE WITHIN 1,000 FEET OF IT, ARE NOT REQUIRED TO GO TO SEWER, BUT ONE THING THAT THE DEVELOPER IS DOING, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TIE IN, IS THEY ARE PUTTING A LIFT STATION IN PLACE AND THEY ARE WRITING IN THE DEED OF COVENANTS THAT THEY WILL ALLOW ANY RESIDENTS WITHIN THAT RADIUS TO CONNECT TO THEIR LIFT STATION.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COVER THE COST AS FAR AS RUNNING SAID ONE SEWER LINE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN SUFFICIENT CAPACITY SO THAT EVERYONE CAN JOIN SO THEY CAN ALL TALK CRAP.
SORRY, GOT TO THROW SOMETHING, DO YOU MIND?
>> THEN THE OTHER QUESTION WAS ON THE STREET.
ONE OF THE TWO PEOPLE ASKED ME TO GO OUT THERE AND DRIVE THE STREET, AND SO I DID.
THE STREET IS APPROXIMATELY 14 FEET WIDE.
IT'S OUR CITY STREET THAT OBVIOUSLY HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN A LONG TIME.
DON'T KNOW HOW IT DOESN'T MAKE IT ON THE STREET THING.
I THINK THE LAST TIME ANYTHING DONE TO IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING, BUT THE VERY WORST PART OF THE STREET IS ACTUALLY RIGHT AT OSTOMY AND NINE MILE ROAD.
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WHEN THE KIDS THAT LIVE BACK THERE, AND WE DO HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG FAMILIES THAT LIVE BACK THERE, THE SCHOOL BUS ACTUALLY DROPS THEM OFF AT THE CORNER.I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPER IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO WIDEN THE STREET AND TO ADD IMPROVEMENTS.
I HOPE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OUT BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY WILL BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES LIFE BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
>> ARE YOU TALKING TO WIDEN THE ENTIRE NINE MILE ROAD?
>> NOT THE NINE MILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> IT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF NINE MILE.
THE SECTION NINE MILE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT-
>> THE DEVELOPERS PROJECT IS 900 FEET.
IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT, IN THE ABANDON, FROM THEIR PROPERTY TO THE END OF THE CORNER IS MAYBE 300 FEET, AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THAT BECAUSE THAT REALLY ISN'T THEIRS, BUT THEY ARE WILLING TO BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, AS I PUT IT TO THEM, IF YOU TURN DOWN THAT STREET AND YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A HOUSE, YOU'D BE LIKE, WHY THE HECK WOULD I LOOK AT THIS CORNER? I THINK IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
THEY HAVE AGREED TO WORK FOR THE CITY, THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO THEIR 900 FEET.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE [INAUDIBLE] STATED, YES.
>> THE MAJOR, THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A LOT OF DEVIATIONS.
THE ONLY DEVIATION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS INSTEAD OF DOING 100 FOOT LOT, THEY ARE SHORTENING TO 90 FEET.
THEY'RE DOING IT AS A BIG I VERSUS A U SO THAT THERE'S SAMPLE SPACE AND ACTUALLY SCHOOL BUSES CAN TURN.
THEY HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH MICHELLE, AND THEY ARE DEEP RESTRICTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND COMMITTED TO WORKFORCE HOUSING.
THEY ORIGINALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A $500,000 HOUSE, WITH CONVERSATIONS WITH MICHELLE THAT SHE SUGGESTED THEY TAKE IT 400 UNDER, AND THEY ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
I THINK THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADJUSTING THEIR SUBMITTED FOR TONIGHT.
AS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SAID, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE MORE AFRAID FOR THE CHILDREN THAT HAVE TO WALK THE STREET.
WE'RE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE STREET THAN WE ARE ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES TOGETHER.
>> ADRIEL, DID YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE CAMERA?
>> ADRIEL MOLTEVON, PLANNING MANAGER.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS, ADRIEL, AS WE ALL HAVE GOTTEN INPUT ON THIS FROM CITIZENS.
I THINK MARIE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB ANSWERING A LOT OF THOSE.
THE WATER PRESSURE DOWN THERE, CITIZENS ARE SAYING IT WON'T BE ENOUGH TO FIGHT FIRES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE 60 PSI AT THE PASS, ALL THE WAY DOWN, SO WE'RE GOOD.
>> ACTUALLY, I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO SAY SAME THING YOU ARE.
THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO PUT ADDITIONAL FIRE HYDRANTS IN?
>> SO THAT ACTUALLY RESOLVES THE PROBLEM.
>> WELL, IT HAD TO DO WITH THE TALK ABOUT THE PRESSURE QUESTION IS STEMMED TO FIRE FIGHTING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE WAS ONLY ONE FIRE HYDRANT THAT RAN OUT OF WATER DURING A FIRE.
>> WELL, THE FIRE MARSHAL DID REVIEW THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL HE DID NOT HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO IT.
>> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THE LAST QUESTION I HAD, ADRIEL, I GOT FROM A CITIZEN THAT THE UNITS PER ACRE IS NOT CALCULATED CORRECTLY.
THEY SAY IT'S NOT 9.375 ACRES, IT'S REALLY 6.9 ACRES.
>> IT'S ABOUT SEVEN. ONE PART OF THE REPORT, IT SAYS THE CORRECT DENSITY AND ANOTHER PART IT'S A TYPO.
>> THEN YOU GUYS GOT THAT COVERED?
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON 8B? JOHN.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL, AND THEN MAYBE TRINA OR ROB ABOUT JUST ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION AND UTILITIES AND STUFF.
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>> SINCE WE HAVE THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE ROOM.
>> THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT Y'ALL HAD A FIRE OUT THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHEN, BUT A WHILE BACK, YOU COULDN'T GET ADEQUATE PRESSURE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEARED UP. THAT IS THAT EVEN.
>> I WOULD NEED A TIME FRAME TO TO RESEARCH IT.
>> I THINK IT WAS LIKE 5,7 YEARS AGO.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, WE WOULD WORK WITH ENGINEERING AND THE COSTS WOULD BE PUT BACK ON THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE TANKS.
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE CITY HAS PUMP WHERE THEY COULDN'T ONE.
>> THERE MAY BE A FAULTY HYDRANT BUT WE'VE GOT PLENTY PRESSURE, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
WE CAN DO WHEN THE STRUCTURE COMING IN, IT'S GOING TO ENHANCE.
>> AS LONG AS THESE GUYS ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT.
WE HAVE THESE GUYS IN THE ROOM, SO I'D LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THEM.
THEN ON THE LIFT STATION OUT THERE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PUTTING IN, IS THAT SIZE TO THE DEVELOPMENT, THE 40 UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT SIZING THAT AND WILL THAT BE TURNED OVER TO THE CITY? WILL THAT BE A CITY OWNED ASSET AT THE END OF CONSTRUCTION?
>> THAT'S GOING TO BECOME OURS, RIGHT WRONG.
>> I THINK WE'RE ACCEPTING IT.
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE INTENT.
>> THEY HAND IT OVER TO THE CITY, IT'S COMING UP SO WE CAN WE CAN DISCUSS IT MORE.
BUT WHEN IT'S SIZE THE SIZE FOR THAT THAT COMMUNITY PLUS WHATEVER'S AROUND IT THAT MAY CONNECT TO IT IN THE FUTURE.
>. ROBERT, WINNIE, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEERING.
TYPICALLY THE LIFT STATION WOULD BE SIZE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
BASED ON WHAT MARIE SAID, THERE MAY BE SOME ADDITIONAL ACCOMMODATIONS THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT.
THIS IS BASED OFF A STANDARD FLOWS THAT WE HAVE PER CONSUMPTION ACROSS THE ISLAND AND THEY USE THOSE NUMBERS TO GO AHEAD AND CALCULATE THAT OUT.
>> THERE'S I MEAN, JUST ROUGH NUMBERS OUT THERE.
MAYBE 60 PLUS HOUSES OR LOTS AROUND THIS AROUND.
>> WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER 40 HERE, THOSE 60 SEPTIC CURRENTLY, CORRECT?
>> WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF OF SEPTIC AT SOME POINT?
>> THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT, YES.
>> WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT, THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, LOOK AT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRY TO ACCOMMODATE FOR FUTURE.
>> CORRECT, YES. THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN PENCILED OUT YET.
THAT'LL GET GOING AS WE GET FURTHER THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING PLANES.
>> WE ALSO LOOK DOWNSTREAM AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PIPES DOWNSTREAM, YOU CAN TAKE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME FROM THAT LIFT STATION, BUT WE HAVE TO DEVELOP OFF SIZE.
THAT'S THE NORMAL WALK PROCESS.
>> AS WELL AS LOOKING DOWNSTREAM LIFT STATIONS, IF THEY'RE UNDER CAPACITY AS WELL, THAT COULD TRICKLE ALL ME TO THAT POINT.
>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STREET SIZE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR STREET SIZE WISE, FOR AN AREA LIKE THIS WITH 100 PLUS HOUSES OUT THERE?
>> WHEN YOU'RE ASKING STREET SIZE, LOOKING FOR STREET WIDTH, PRETTY MUCH STREET WITH, YEAH.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY 28 FOOT IS THE STANDARD THERE WE WOULD HAVE THAT GIVES YOU TWO LANES.
MINIMUM LANE WIDTH IS COMFORTABLE IS 12 FEET, TIGHT IS 11 FEET.
THE 12-14 FOOT RANGE IS WHAT WE SHOT FOR.
>> PER LINE, YEAH. THAT WOULD BE 28 FEET.
>> CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A STREET THAT'S ABOUT 14 FOOT WIDE?
>> CORRECT. WITH SOME UNIMPROVED SHOULDERS.
>> WE HAVE OPEN DITCHES OUT THERE.
>> YEAH. WE HAVE, THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY USED TO BE DITCHES.
>> LOOKING AT THE HISTORY VIEWING IN THE FIELD, THERE IS A DITCH ON THE WEST SIDE OF NINE MILE ROAD TO THE NORTH OF OSTERMEYER, BUT ON THE EAST SIDE IT'S REALLY NOT DEVELOPED AT ALL.
>> THE ELEVATIONS ARE SO LOW YOU REALLY CAN'T DIG DIG TOO DEEP.
>> JUST CREATE A MODE AT THAT POINT.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE THEN WE HAVE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOME YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PUT SO WE CAN PUT REQUIREMENTS ON IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A REQUIREMENT IN OUR PUT AT OUR MEETING TONIGHT ABOUT NINE MILE ROAD AND MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A WIDER STREET OUT THERE AND HAVE THEM CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
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I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD WORD THAT TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.>> I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN PUT THAT TWO EXACT FEET BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS TIED TO UTILITY SPENCE AND SO.
>> I DON'T THINK I'M LOOKING FOR AN EXACT NUMBER WIDTH WISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I JUST THEY ARE.
>> ACTUALLY ADDING IT IN TO THE NEW DOCUMENT.
THEY'LL BE PER CITING, BUT I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
>> ALONG WITH THAT, JUST TO BRING UP.
I KNOW THEY HAVE DONE A QUICK AND DIRTY TRAFFIC STUDY, THAT THEY'LL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT AS WELL.
MIKE GARTNER WILL BE PRESENTING THAT.
>> MIKE DOES A GOOD JOB IN HIS PRESENTATION.
ONE OTHER LAST THING, YOU TALKED ABOUT DEED RESTRICTIONS.
PERSONALLY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS.
ESPECIALLY IN A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ISOLATED FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STREETS AT FRONT THEIR HOUSES, SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT THAT.
BUT YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DEED RESTRICT? THEY ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THEY ARE. THEY REALLY ARE COMMITTED, WHICH IS WHY THEY EVEN WENT WITH A LOWER PRICE AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING HOMES FOR WORKFORCE.
THAT'S AN IDEAL AREA FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY AN AREA YOU WOULD COME TO BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCESS THE BAY FROM, IT'S NOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE BEACH.
THEY ARE 100% COMMITTED TO THAT.
>> MARIE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE COUNCIL?
>> BRIAN, CAN YOU REMIND ME OF WHAT HER DETENTION REQUIREMENTS?
>> IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE TYPE OF DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
>> FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT OF JUST ABOUT SEVEN ACRES, WHAT ARE THE DETENTION REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE THEY ARE CURRENTLY BEING ACCOMMODATED ON SITE?
>> THE STANDARD REQUIREMENT IS ONE ACRE FOOT PER ACRE OF ON SITE DETENTION.
>> AS A ONE TO ONE REQUIREMENT.
WE CAN GIVE SOME VARIANCE TO THAT, GIVEN HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO AN OUTFALL.
IF THEY CAN PROVE MATHEMATICALLY THAT THE WATER MAKES IT OUT BEFORE THE PEAK GETS THERE, THAT'S A PRACTICE HAS BEEN EXPLORED BEFORE AND DONE IN SOME OTHER LOCATIONS.
>> SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW WHERE THAT DETENTION IS BEING HELD.
>> I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THOSE DETAILS YET.
AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING THOSE ACTUAL ENGINEERING PLANS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> IT'S VERY GOOD. THE PLANS ITSELF.
IT'S HARD TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.
>> RIGHT NOW IT'S MORE OF IN THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OTHER PDS, GOING TO LAY OUT AND THEN THEY'LL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE INFRASTRUCTURE DESIGN, GO FORWARD HERE THAT.
>> GOOD. I JUST CHECKING ON THAT AND THEN ALSO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE PLAN ALSO IT STATES THAT NO OPEN SPACE IS GOING TO BE PROVIDED FOR THIS AS WELL.
THAT'S PART OF THE PUT AS WELL.
ON STREET PARKING, IS THAT GOING TO BE ALLOWED?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE GOT TO LOOK AT.
I THINK THAT PROPOSING A 60 FOOT RIGHT AWAY.
WHICH 20 FOOT ROAD IT GIVES YOU ROOM TO DO THAT.
IT GETS TIGHT, BUT THAT IS STANDARD THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE ISLAND.
>> THEN BECAUSE THE CROSS SECTION LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE EITHER ON STREET PARKING OR IT LOOKS LIKE PARKING DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK, SO I'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT. THOSE ARE MY ONLY QUESTIONS.
>> YOU MIGHT AS WELL STAY THERE BECAUSE MY NEXT I'M INVOLVED TOO. THANK YOU.
>> BEFORE WE LEAVE A B, I WANT TO COMMEND COUNCIL MEMBER ROB FOR HER INVOLVEMENT WITH HER CONSTITUENCY OUT THERE.
EVERY TIME I TALKED TO HIM, THEY SAID, WELL, I TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBER ROB.
SHE CAME OUT, SHE LOOKED AT THIS, SHE TALKED WITH US. THANK YOU.
>> GOOD JOB ON THAT. ANY FURTHER ITEMS?
>> I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THIS HAS BEEN COVERED IN THE PAPER. I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I JUST THINK THAT OUR CITIZENS, THIS MELON OVERLAY THIS PROJECT HAS BAD 45 LOOKED LIKE A DREAM AND THAT'S HARD.
>> NOW I'M GETTING INTO POSITION OF LITIGATION INVOLVED WITHOUT GETTING INTO IT, WE HAD A CONTRACTOR THAT HAD ISSUES AND WE KEPT IT ON TRACK, WHICH DELAYED THE PROJECT, BUT NOT NEARLY AS MUCH AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DELAYED HAD WE GONE ANOTHER ROUTE.
I AGREE IT TOOK IT TOOK TOO LONG, BUT.
>> WELL, I DROVE DOWN THE OTHER DAY AND LOST A HALF AN INCH TO EACH SIDE.
>> BUT IT'S GOING TO GET REMEDIED IN THE RIGHT WAY NOW.
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>> THIS PROJECT ENTAILS BASICALLY DOING 1 MILLION OVERLAY ON THE FULL STRETCH FROM BROADWAY TO SEAWALL.
THEN BETWEEN AVENUE S AND AVENUE P 1/2, WE'LL BE MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO OBSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE IN THE CURB LINE TO ACTUALLY ALLOW THE WATER THAT NOW COMES FROM AVENUE S AS PART OF THE RECONSTRUCTION, TWO 37TH STREET TO ACTUALLY FLOW TO THE NORTH AND ACTUALLY GET TO THOSE INLETS, SO WE'RE DOING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO GET THIS WRAPPED UP.
>> WE HAD A COUPLE OF CONTRACTORS GET CAUGHT IN THE COVID SPIKES THEN WE NURSED A LOT.
>> IT'S HARD TO HEAR YOU. I WOULD LIKE HOLD THE CLOSER BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THE.
>>THAT'S RESERVED FOR THE SHOWER ONLY.
>> IT THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION.
>> SINCE THIS IS IN MY DISTRICT AND I DO GET A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS WITH RESIDENTS ALONG 37TH, I'M REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA.
FINE. IN CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, WE'RE GOING TO AWARD IT THURSDAY WITH ANTICIPATED COMPLETION OF THIS IN THE SUMMER.
>> I MEAN, YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SEE THE CONDITION. WHAT ARE THEY DOING THE BASE?
>> WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN THE CONTRACT FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF BASE REPAIRS DEPENDING ON HOW EXTENSIVE THE DAMAGE IS.
>> BECAUSE THE FIRST PART OF THE PROJECT WAS PRIMARILY UTILITY.
>> THEY DID SOME BASE REPAIRS THERE, BUT THEY HAVE TO FIX THE BASE BEFORE THEY PAY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST PAVE OVER WHAT'S THERE.
>> CORRECT. WE HAVE THAT IN THE CONTRACT TO DO.
>> IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS SEEMS SO HIGH?
>> ACTUALLY, THIS ONE CAME IN BELOW THE ENGINEERS' OPINION AND PROBABLY CONSTRUCTION COST.
I HAD PUT THAT TOGETHER ABOUT 1.56 MILLION.
THAT'S ABOUT 100,000 OR SO LESS.
>> THE ECONOMY IS CATCHING UP BECAUSE WE SAW IT IN THE DEMO BIDS AND WE'RE SEEING SOME OF OUR ASPHALT BIDS.
OF COURSE, IT'S ALL ABOUT TIMING TOO, YOU GET INTO THE HOT SUMMER MONTHS AND IF TEXT GETS BUSY, OUR PRICES GO UP.
>> I THINK ONE THING YOU ALSO SEE, OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE A NUMBER OF CONTRACTS WERE LUCAS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, SO THEY ARE MOBILIZED TO THE ISLAND AREA.
THERE ARE SOME ADVANTAGES THAT ARE GAINED BY THAT TOO.
>> THAT'S WHY IT'S WHEN WE DID THAT WITH 53RD STREET.
WE GOT LUCKY TEXT DOT WEBBER ENGAGED AND WE GOT THEM TO DO 53RD STREET.
THAT'S A BIG CONTRACTOR FOR US, BUT THEY WERE HERE, PICK UP A LITTLE SIDE HUSTLE IN THERE, WHICH WHAT 53RD STREET DOES WAS A BIG PROJECT AND THEN IS A SIDE HUSTLE.
>> I'M TOO EXCITED TO SEE THAT THERE'S A NEW CONTRACT ON THIS 37TH STREET WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS.
BUT I HEARD YOU SAY ABOUT BASE REPAIR, SO THEY HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND REDO SOMETHING.
>> NO, BUT THERE'S IT'S AN OLD STREET AND MOST OF OUR STREETS SOME OF THE STREETS BASE HERE IS ACTUALLY OYSTER SHELL WHICH IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD BASE.
BUT THEY'LL GO IN AND CORRECT IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IT TELEGRAPHS THROUGH THE ASPHALT, SO AT THE BASE HAS TO BE SMOOTH AND RIGHT OR ELSE THE ASPHALT'S JUST GOING TO DO THIS.
>> OKAY, SO THERE WILL BE A BASE.
>> IT SHOULD BE GREAT AFTER THAT.
>> WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE IT TODAY.
>> THANK YOU. GOING TO LOOK UP HERE THAN ANY OTHER ITEMS.THAT'S A VERY GOOD COUNCILMAN.
FINKLEA, HOPE I HAVE ALL MY ANSWER. VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMAN, ALL OF MINE HAVE BEEN COVERED.
VERY GOOD AND WE'VE SAVED THE BEST OF THE LAST.
>> ALL RIGHT. MOST OF MINE HAVE BEEN COVERED.
LET ME JUST GO THROUGH MY LIST.
WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE CULTURAL ARTS MONEY.
RIGHT. IN OUR WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALCOHOL SALES.
SAMPLES IN PERSON MEETINGS, WE'RE GOING TO COVER ADMINISTRATION FEES.
11 B, YES, IS THE EMISSION FEE.
>> TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
>> THIS IS CHANGED TO THE CONTRACT THAT THEY DID NOT INITIALLY INTEND TO CHARGE A FEE FOR EVERYONE PARTICIPATING AND I THINK THAT'S CHANGED.
>> SORRY. ANTOINETTE LYNCH, ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF JACKSON.
THIS WAS APPROVED PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, AND WHEN I GLANCED THROUGH THE CONTRACTS, IN GUS FAMILIARIZING MYSELF WITH WHAT HAD BEEN FUNDED, IT READ TO ME IN THE PROPOSAL, AND PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT IT WAS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THEY WERE SELLING TICKETS ONLINE AND SO WE REACHED OUT TO THE ARTISTS AND SAID, YOU'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR CONTRACT OR WHATEVER AND THEY SAID, HOLD ON.
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WHEN WE MET WITH THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION ENCOURAGED US TO SELL TICKETS.THEY TOLD US THAT WE SHOULD I WENT BACK AND WATCHED A LOT OF MEETINGS, AND IN FACT, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.
IT WAS DONE IN A WORKSHOP, SO LEGAL WASN'T THERE AND THE BINDING DOCUMENT OBVIOUSLY IS THE CONTRACT.
BUT IT WASN'T, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WAS TOLD TO THE ARTIST, OR HOW THEY SET UP EVERYTHING AND ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IS A BROAD STATEMENT.
WHAT IT COMES TO, IS IT OPEN WHERE IT'S ATTAINABLE.
A TICKET IS ATTAINABLE, LIKE DICKENS, THAT'S A PUBLIC EVENT, RIGHT? IT'S FUNDED THROUGH HOT BUT TICKETS AND SO THAT WAS THE THING.
WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO BACK AND HAVE THEM GIVE BACK THE MONEY FOR ALL THEIR TICKET SALES.
>> YEAH, AND SO I'M JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND OF OUR REQUIREMENTS IN THE LAW AND SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO REAL PROHIBITION OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE LEGALLY.
IT'S JUST THAT'S NOT HOW THE CONTRACT WAS WRITTEN.
YOU'RE HERE TO AMEND THE CONTRACT?
>> CORRECT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMENDED AFTER THE COMMISSION SAID NO.
YOU CAN SELL TICKETS, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO.
AT THAT POINT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AMENDED PRIOR TO COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT BECAUSE LEGAL WASN'T IN THAT MEETING AND THE COMMISSION IS VOLUNTEERS, IT JUST FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS.
>> OKAY, AND YOU CITE AN EXAMPLE OF DICKENS?
>> YES. THERE'S PLENTY OF PRECEDENCE FOR HOT TAX FUNDED EVENTS, SELLING TICKETS.
THAT IS A CONVERSATION FAR ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PRECEDENCE FOR IT.
>> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO EMPHASIZE THAT, THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS THAT ARE FUNDED BY PUBLIC MONEY.
THAT, FOR WHICH TICKET SALES, THE GRAND DICK DICKENS, A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
>> THE INTENT BEHIND THIS FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE THIRD ISLAND IS OBVIOUSLY A COLLECTIVE OF LOCAL ARTISTS, BUT THE INTENT WAS FOR THEM TO GROW THIS EVENT, WHICH IF WE ASKED THEM TO GIVE THE FUNDING BACK, IT WOULDN'T GROW.
THEY WOULD HAVE SPENT THE MONEY THAT THEY SPENT WITH THE INTENTION OF ENLARGING THIS EVENT AND THEY WOULD BE OUT THAT FUNDING SO, IT WOULD JUST BE THE MONEY WOULD HAVE GONE TO NETWORK.
>> I MISSED WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE CHARGED? I MISSED THE BEGINNING.
>> YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERED TO THAT.
>> IT'S ON THEIR WEBSITE AND I WILL SAY THAT IN THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL TO COUNSEL, THERE WAS VIP TICKET SALES, SO, IT WAS NEVER GOING TO BE COMPLETELY FREE.
THERE WAS GOING TO BE ELEMENTS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WHICH THIRD ISLAND HAS BEEN WONDERFUL AND THEY'RE LIKE WE DO NOT WANT TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
WE'RE SO THANKFUL FOR THE GRANT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ATTEMPT TO ADD A FREE COMPONENT TO THE FESTIVAL, BUT THAT, AGAIN, WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THEM AND THEN WOULD SORT OF MAKE THIS FUNDING A BIT OF A MOOT POINT.
>> I'M SORRY, THIRD ISLAND IS?
>> THIRD ISLAND IS THE ARTIST COALITION THAT IS DOING THIS FESTIVAL AND IS THAT ON THE WEST END, IT'S GAB.
>> THEY'RE FEATURING, I THINK IT'S LIKE SIX DIFFERENT ARTISTS AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE PUBLIC ART INSTALLATIONS AND THINGS THAT THEY'LL HAVE BACK THERE.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT EVENT I THINK.
WE WERE ALSO INTERESTED IN A VENUE THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TICKETS, RIGHT, MARIE?
>> YES. WE WERE EXCITED ALSO, THE OPPORTUNITY OF SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WHERE WE NORMALLY SEE FESTIVALS.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO SHUT DOWN THINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
>> I READ THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME TATTOO ARTISTS THERE, YOU CAN GET A TATTOO, LIKE A GALVESTON ISLAND TATTOO ON YOU.
>> I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PRETTY TATTOO.
>> DAVID, IN COLLEGE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
>> NO. I WAS JUST HOLDING MY [OVERLAPPING][LAUGHTER].
>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE PAVILION CRESCENT IN THE MANHOLE. I'M DONE.
I'VE GOT ALL MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED FROM THE COUNCIL'S INPUT.
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3(B), PLEASE.
[3.B. Presentation And Discussion Of The Agreed-Upon Procedures Report Final Draft Submitted By Whitley Penn Regarding The Processes Of The Galveston Wharves, A Component Unit Of The City Of Galveston, As Of Or For The Period Ended October 31, 2023 (C. Ludanyi - 15 Min)]
STAFF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT.>> ITEM 3(B). PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE AGREED UPON PROCEDURES REPORT, FINAL DRAFT SUBMITTED BY WHITLEY PENN REGARDING THE PROCESSES OF THE GALVESTON WHARVES,
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A COMPONENT UNIT OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, AS OF OR FOR THE PERIOD ENDED OCTOBER 31ST, 2023.>> VERY GOOD. LET'S LET THE ROOM CLEAR OUT AND THEN WE'LL START THIS DISCUSSION HERE.
SCILLA, COME ON UP. HAVE A SEAT, IF YOU WOULD.
>> I WAS GOING TO WEAR COUGAR RED, BUT YOU NEVER WEAR RED WHEN YOU'RE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, YOU'RE MAKING FINANCIAL PRESENTATIONS.
>> YES, IT'S A VERY GOOD RULE.
I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HOMAGE TO MIKE, BECAUSE HE'S SUPER EXCITED RIGHT NOW.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
BUT SCILLA, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND IDENTIFY WHO YOU ARE FOR THE CAMERAS AND THINGS?
I'M THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND WE'RE DISCUSSING THE RESULTS OF THE AUP FOR THE GALVESTON AWARDS.
>> COUNCIL, THIS IS ITEM 12(A) ON OUR ACTION ITEMS THIS AFTERNOON.
I WANT TO JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THIS AFTERNOON, IT'S INVOLVING TWO THINGS, FROM WHAT WE CAN SEE IN THE PACKET MATERIAL AND THE STAFF REPORT, AND SCILLA WILL BE GOING THROUGH THIS HERE IN JUST A SECOND WITH US.
ONE IS TO RECEIVE THE REPORT FROM WHITLEY PENN.
THEN ALSO, TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS REPORT THAT IF COUNCIL DEEMS IT NECESSARY, WOULD BE SENT TO THE WHARVES BOARD, AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN OUTLINED IN THE PACKET MATERIAL THAT MS. LUDANYI HAS GIVEN.
I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT THIS MATERIAL HAS BEEN SENT TO THE WHARVES BOARD AND TO THE PORT.
I HAVE TALKED TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE WHARVES BOARD, VIC PIERSON, THIS WILL BE ON THEIR AGENDA FOR MARCH 26TH, TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR DISCUSSIONS, AND POSSIBLY ACTION ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COUNCIL WILL SEND OVER TO THEM.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN SENT TO THE WHARVES BOARD, AND IT IS ON THEIR MARCH 26TH AGENDA TO TAKE ACTION.
>> AS COUNSEL MAY REMEMBER, THE INITIAL REPORT WAS PRESENTED IN JANUARY, AND AT THE TIME THE AUDITORS HAD NOT RECEIVED DOCUMENTS FROM [INAUDIBLE], THAT THEY COULD RECONCILE THEIR FULL REPORT WITH.
THE DECISION WAS MADE TO WAIT ON A FINAL DRAFT THAT INCLUDED THAT, AND WHITLEY PENN IS HERE TODAY, PATRICK SIMMONS, IN CASE YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE INFORMATION HE RECEIVED FROM [INAUDIBLE] AND THE RESULTS OF THAT.
BUT AS A PART OF THE FINAL DRAFT, WHITLEY PENN HAS MADE THREE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PROCESS CHANGES AT THE WHARVES IN ORDER TO BETTER REPORT THESE THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO PASS ALONG THIS REPORT TO THE WHARVES BOARD FOR THEIR BENEFIT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE CONTENT, OR AS I SAID, WHITLEY PENN IS HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
>> VERY GOOD. FIRST OF ALL, ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL, THAT YOU HAVE FROM MS. LUDANYI? VERY GOOD.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY SELF EXPLANATORY.
WE'LL HAVE THAT ON OUR AGENDA, AS I MENTIONED, FOR 12 THIS AFTERNOON.
DID YOU JUST WANT TO INTRODUCE PATRICK SIMMONS HERE? PATRICK, I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE YOU.
NOT NECESSARILY TIE YOU UP, BUT THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN I THINK WAS INVOLVED WITH THE WITH THE AUDIT.
I THINK THERE WAS A SLIGHT CHANGE ON THE AUDIT REPORT THAT YOU REMOVE THAT BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE ON THERE.
>> CORRECT. THE INITIAL REPORT, IT HAD LIMITED THE AUDIENCE, THE INTENDED USERS TO BE THE CITY.
BUT THAT'S JUST BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE, AND MANY DO PREFER THAT IN THERE FOR CERTAIN AUP PROCEDURES.
BUT IN THIS CASE IT WASN'T NECESSARY BECAUSE IT IS INTENDED TO BE USED BY A 3RD PARTY.
>> CORRECT. AND THAT'S BEEN RELAYED TO THE PORT, WHO BROUGHT THAT QUESTION FORWARD.
THANK YOU, PATRICK. I APPRECIATE THAT.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS. WE HAVE COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI, THEN MIKE.
>> PATRICK, SO THESE FINDINGS THAT THEY CAME OUT OF THE AUDIT,
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DOES ANYTHING NEED TO BE REINSTATED ON THEIR BOOKS? ARE THERE ANY LIABILITIES OUT THERE THAT WE COULD FACE IN THE FUTURE? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE HAVE A CLEAN SLATE HERE.WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> CORRECT. THE LIABILITY THAT BEGAN BACK IN 2015, AND IT HAS BEEN THERE SINCE, THEY INITIALLY BROUGHT IT ON IN THE 2021 REPORT, AND THEY BROUGHT IT ON AS AN EXPENSE THROUGH THAT CURRENT YEAR.
IN OUR REPORT, WE DO SAY IT COULD HAVE BEEN A RESTATEMENT AND INSTEAD OF AN EXPENSE IN THAT CURRENT YEAR, JUST BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THE LIABILITY AND REPORTED IT.
BUT AT THIS POINT, THE LIABILITY IS ON THEIR BOOKS AND I ASSUME ON DECEMBER 31, 2023 REPORT, IT WILL BE ON THEIR BOOKS AS WELL.
THEY SENT US THE RECONCILIATION FOR THAT PERIOD, AND SO I KNOW THEY PLAN TO INCLUDE IT THERE.
NO RESTATEMENT NEEDED BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO THERE IN LAST YEAR'S REPORT AS WELL.
>> BECAUSE OF THEIR BOND SALES OR ANYTHING, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO LIABILITY THAT THE PORT WOULD BE FACING, IN THE FUTURE, ANYBODY COMING BACK ON THEM BECAUSE OF THE BONDS THEY SOLD OR ANY ISSUES WITH THAT?
>> I CAN'T SPEAK COMPLETELY TO THAT AS IT MIGHT BE A LEGAL THING, BUT I WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF ANY.
THEY THEY DID DISCLOSE IT IN 2021 AND IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE SO I WOULD THINK IT MAY HAVE CAME UP BY NOW.
BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT 100% SURE. BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
>> I JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT AFTER THIS AUDIT WAS DONE.
OUR OWN AUDITOR BACK IN THE DAY WAS DOING THIS AUDIT AND HIS FINDINGS WERE CORRECT, AND I WANT TO COMMEND GLENN BULGHERINI FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING ON HIS AUDIT, AND THAT HE WAS CORRECT ON HIS FINDINGS BACK THEN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. SIMMONS?
>> [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU LOOK DAPPER. [LAUGHTER]
[3.C. Discussion Of The Dune Protection And Beach Access Plan (K.Clark - 20min)]
IF WE COULD PLEASE.>> THAT'S A GOOD COLOR FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER]
>> BEAUTIFUL. I'M SURE DAPPER DOESN'T APPLY IT.
>> 3C, DISCUSSION OF THE DUNE PROTECTION AND [NOISE] BEACH ACCESS PLAN.
>> MARIA, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? [LAUGHTER]
>> IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF. GO RIGHT AHEAD [OVERLAPPING].
>> CARL CLARK, COASTAL RESOURCES MANAGER. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL.
>> GOOD MORNING COUNCILMEMBERS.
WE ARE COMING BEFORE YOU ALL TO DO A RESOLUTION, ANOTHER AMENDMENT CHANGE, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO COME IN AND GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN FOR THE LAST YEAR ON THIS.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE GLO IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US.
AFTER WE GET DONE, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THEY CAN COME UP.
BUT LIKE I SAID, JUST WANTED TO COME IN AND GO THROUGH WHAT'S TRANSPIRED THE LAST YEAR, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE CLOSE TO GETTING THIS OVER THE GOAL LINE.
>> CARL, BEFORE YOU START, WOULD YOU MIND INTRODUCING OUR GUEST THEN?
>> WE HAVE NATALIE BELL, ANGIE SUNLEY, AND THEN.
>> IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR ANGIE TO COME UP, OR IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER.
>> ANGIE, YOU WANT TO COME ON UP?
>> COME ON UP AND HAVE A SEAT.
ONCE YOU'RE UP HERE, IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SO THE COMMUNITY CAN HEAR WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR POSITION.
>> YES, SIR. I'M ANGELA SUNLEY, I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COASTAL RESOURCES AT THE GLO.
>> VERY GOOD. GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE.
WE CAME AND GOT SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES LAST YEAR, LAST APRIL, MAY, AND I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER, SENT UP A COUPLE OF REQUESTS TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE, WAS WORKING ON SOME THINGS.
WE SENT OUR LAST JUST REQUEST UP IN NOVEMBER.
THEY HAVE 90 DAYS TO REVIEW OUR REQUEST.
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ACTUALLY WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH THEM IN JANUARY, AND IN SOME INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY NEEDED, NOT A LOT.THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT PUSHED IT PAST THE 90 DAYS ON SOME PARKING ON THE EAST END THAT WE'LL GET INTO.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSED AND LOOKED AT, AND RESOLVED BEFORE THAT 90 DAYS WAS UP.
WHAT'S PUSHED US BACK AGAINST THE 90 DAYS WAS THE EAST END PARK, AND WE TOOK IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SO WE COULD GET ON HERE.
WHAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING FOR REVIEWING POTENTIAL APPROVAL IS WE'VE CHANGED UP.
THIS WAS ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF DONNA.
INSTEAD OF DOING AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, WE'RE DOING A RESOLUTION.
THAT WAY IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS WITH GLO IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE, IT GETS CODIFIED, AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
WHAT THIS IS IS A RESOLUTION TO CLEAN UP WHAT WE'VE DONE LAST YEAR WITH THE ORDINANCES AND WHAT WE'RE CLEANING UP MOVING FORWARD.
ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GLO IN JANUARY, WAS THAT WE'VE HAD SOME REQUESTS FROM HOME BUILDERS ON THE ISLAND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE ADDED INTO THIS HOPEFULLY LAST REQUEST THAT WE SENT UP, IS THE RENEWAL PROCESS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THE WAY IT WAS IN OUR PLAN, THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT ANY RENEWAL TO THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE SHOULD IT COME TO US.
IT'S JUST CLEANING UP THE PROCESS OF COME TO US AND WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE TAX SECTION 15.3.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON ON THE WEST END.
WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, WE ONLY HAVE A YEAR THAT'S IN PLACE, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HALF-BUILT HOUSES OUT THERE THAT AREN'T GETTING BUILT.
THIS KEEPS IT ON THEIR RADAR AND OUR RADAR.
THIS IS JUST CLEANING UP THE LANGUAGE IN OUR PLAN FOR HOW PEOPLE NEED TO RENEW WITH US, AND THIS WAS LANGUAGE THAT WE WORKED WITH THE GLO ON.
THAT SECTION H3C, RELATED TO A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, THAT TIMELINE IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING AS WELL.
>> JUST TRYING TO LINE THEM UP.
>> THE NEXT THING THAT CAME UP WAS THE EAST END PARKING.
WHEN THE PLAN WAS AUTHORIZED IN 2004, THE GLO, THERE WAS SOME REQUIREMENTS IN THE PREAMBLE, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE MET ALL OF THE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE PREAMBLE FROM 2004 AND 2012.
THERE WERE SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS OUT THERE THAT WE'RE JUST CLEANING UP, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE PARKING OUT THERE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO.
THE ACCESS POINT 1A, 2, ON STEWART BEACH, AND THEN SEAWALL BEACH URBAN PARK.
THIS IS ACCESS POINT 1A, [INAUDIBLE] PARK.
THE YELLOW DOTS ARE PARKING SPOTS THAT WORKING WITH GLO IN THE PAST THAT THEY SAID THAT WE CAN COUNT AS PARKING SPACES ON A BEACH OR OFF-BEACH PARKING.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THE UPPER LANGUAGE IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR PLAN, SO WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY CREDIT IN OUR PLAN, OR ACCOUNTING FOR ANY TYPE OF OFF BEACH PARKING, ON-BEACH PARKING.
THEN THERE'S SOME THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'LL GO THROUGH HERE IN A SECOND.
BUT NONE OF THAT WAS CAPTURED IN OUR CURRENT PLAN, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE JUST CORRECTING TO ENSURE THAT IF SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT IT THAT WE CAN SAY, YES, WE HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESTRICTED VEHICULAR AREAS ON THE EAST END.
THAT'S THAT'S ACCESS POINT 1A.
THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE PARKING THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION BEACHTOWN.
LIKE I SAID, WE WERE NOT GETTING ANY CREDIT THROUGH THAT.
THERE'S PARKING BETWEEN BEACHTOWN EAST AND BEACHTOWN WEST.
THEN THAT'S JUST PARKING THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BEACHTOWN WEST.
WE NEED IS A FEW PARKING SPACES, SO WE ADDED SOME TO THE FREE PARKING SPACE IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THAT PHOTO, IT SAYS 600 PARKING SPACES.
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THIS MAP HAS BEEN UPDATED.WE ACTUALLY SHOW THE NUMBERS, A LAYOUT OF THE PARKING.
I ACTUALLY BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH FENCE AT THE PARK BOARD ABOUT POSSIBLY PUTTING SOME BOTTLES OUT THERE TO KEEP THERE SOME WET AREAS OUT THERE TO DESIGNATE EXACTLY WHERE THAT PARKING PARKING AREA IS LOCATED.
THEN AT THE BOTTOM WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE 500 LINEAR FEET OF ADA ONLY, THAT WAS APPROVED LAST FALL, TO HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE RESTRICTED USE AREA, 1,000 FEET REMOVAL.
THAT'S DENOTED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
THIS NEXT ITEM HERE IS REALLY NOT ANY MAPS, BUT THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE GLO GAVE TO US.
WE HAD SOME BASICALLY 34 EXTRA PARKING SPACES AT THE FREE PARKING AREA AT STEWART BEACH.
THEY ALLOWED US TO PUT THIS LANGUAGE IN THERE, SO IF WE NEED TO TAKE ANY PARKING SPACES FROM THE SEAWALL FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS, THE EMERGENCY ACCESS RAMP, FOR THE PARK BOARD, LINE OF SIGHT AROUND THE BOWLING ALLEY, THE MOVIE THEATER OUT THERE FOR SAFETY, WE CAN TAKE THAT NUMBER FROM THE 34 PARKING SPACES AT THAT FREE PARKING AREA AT STEWART BEACH.
WE'LL PROBABLY KEEP TRACK OF THIS, AND IF WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE CAPTURED IN OUR PLAN SO WE'RE NOT LOSING THOSE.
THEN THIS IS A RESTRICTED USE AREA.
WE HAD SOME AREAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, SOME AREAS ON POCKET PARK 1 AND POCKET PARK 3.
JUST DESIGNATE THEM ADA, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GLO, THEY SAID THERE'S ALREADY VEHICULAR ACCESS THERE, SO THEY DID NOT RECOMMEND US DOING THAT.
WHAT THEY ALLOWED US TO DO IS EXPAND ON THE VEHICULAR ACCESS TO THE BEACH AT POCKET PARK 1.
WHERE THAT BLACK AND WHITE LINE IS IS THE CURRENT BORDER LINE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING THE BORDER LINE 500 FEET TO THE WEST.
THAT 500 FEET, AND THEN THE 500 FEET AT STEWART BEACH, WILL ACCOMMODATE FOR THE 1,000 FEET OF RESTRICTED USE AREA THAT WE'RE MOVING FROM EAST OF STEWART BEACH.
THEN THOSE ARE JUST THE CHANGES.
THEN THAT'S JUST REMOVING WHAT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY BY CITY COUNCIL, OF THE 300 FEET AT POCKET PARK 3.
THEN AT THE BOTTOM WE ADDED NOW WE ARE WORKING ON IMPROVING THE OFF-BEACH PARKING AT POCKET PARK 3.
WORKING ON PROVIDING PARKING AMENITIES, THINGS OUT THERE. YES, MA'AM.
BECAUSE WE LET [INAUDIBLE] USE THAT AREA, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DO THE IMPROVED [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE]
>> THEY LEFT SOME MATERIAL OUT THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THE COMPLETE IMPROVEMENTS.
THAT WAS THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THE COUNTY, NOT WITH US.
>> WELL MAYBE WE CAN MAKE THEM GO THROUGH THE COUNTY AND HOLD THEIR FEET TO IT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THE OTHER TWO SLIDES, BUT YOU HAVE THREE BLACK AND WHITE LINES ON HERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE 350 FEET THAT'S EXISTING, AND THEN YOU MOVED TO THE WEST ANOTHER 300 FEET.
WHAT IS THAT OTHER BLACK AND WHITE LINE?
>> THIS IS DEVELOPED THROUGH OUR GIS.
THIS IS JUST A MAP, IT'S NOT GROUND-TRACKED.
WE DIDN'T GO OUT THERE AND GPS IT, THIS IS THOSE ACCESS POINTS.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE ACCESS POINT 13 IS AT, IT'S BETWEEN TWO BLACK LINES.
THAT'S JUST GENERALLY WHERE THAT ACCESS POINT IS.
ON 14, YOU HAVE THOSE TWO BLACK AND WHITE LINES.
THAT'S WHERE ACCESS POINT 14 IS.
THAT ONE IN THE MIDDLE SPLITS THAT.
THEN I SAID THIS IS A MAP THAT OUR GIS DEPARTMENT MADE SO WE CAN JUST TRACK WHERE THINGS ARE AT.
WE HAVE BEEN WIDENING SOME OF THEM OUT BECAUSE WE'RE UPDATING ALL OF OUR MAPS AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
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WE FOUND SOME THAT OUR MAP SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER A COUPLE OF 100 FEET.THIS MAY BE ONE, THIS MAY NOT BE AN UPDATED MAP.
>> BUT WHY DO YOU HAVE THREE LINES? [NOISE]
>> [OVERLAPPING] BLACK AND WHITE LINE ON THE LEFT IS THE ACTUAL BOUNDARY OF AP 14?
>> BUT WE HAVEN'T IMPROVED THAT FOR ON BEACH?
>> IT'S A BALLAD LINE 50 FEET SHORT OF THE ACTUAL.
>> THAT'S WHERE I WAS SAYING WE FOUND SOME AREAS WHERE WE HAVE A BALLAD LINE, AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, YOU HAVE THE WESTERN LIMIT OF THE ACCESS POINT.
THE BALLAD LINE MAY BE NOT OVER FAR ENOUGH, SO WE'RE CORRECTING THAT.
THERE MAY BE SOME OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY WIDEN IT OUT A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE.
>> DO YOU HAVE THREE EXISTING BALLAD LINES OUT THERE CURRENTLY?
>> WHAT'S CONFUSING IS THE CENTER.
>> THE CENTER LINE IS JUST THE THE MAP OF THAT.
THE MIDDLE LINE, BLACK AND WHITE LINE, IS THE MIDDLE OR DIVIDING ACCESS POINT 13 AND ACCESS POINT 14.
ONCE WE GET THE OFFBEAT PARKING, WE WILL THERE BOARDS THERE.
BUT WE WILL REMOVE THE ON-BEACH VEHICULAR PARKING FOR ACCESS POINT 13, AND WE WILL MOVE THE BALLADS BACK TO THAT.
>> SO AP 13 WILL NOT HAVE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC?
>> ONCE WE GET THE OFF-BEACH PARKING DONE.
>> WE OPENED IT UP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OFF-BEACH PARKING TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PLAN.
>> ONCE YOU HAVE THE OFF BEACH PARKING, WHICH IS WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION SITE WAS, YOU'LL REMOVE BEACH PARKING FROM AP 13?
>> WELL I CAN PROBABLY CLARIFY A LITTLE MORE ON WHY YOU HAVE THOSE THREE LINES ON THERE.
THAT'S TO TRY TO MEET THAT EVERY HALF MILE REQUIREMENT UNDER OUR RULES.
SO THEY DESIGNATED THOSE TWO ACCESS POINTS, AND THEN THAT [INAUDIBLE] TOWARDS THE END TO GET CLOSER TO THE LINES NEXT TO YOU, TO THE HALF MILE.
>> IN [INAUDIBLE] PACKET YOU'LL HAVE A RED LINED BEACH ACCESS PLAN.
THIS IS WHAT WILL BE GOING OUT ON THE TEXAS REGISTER FOR THE PUBLIC'S REVIEW.
THAT RED LINE INCLUDES THE CHANGES IN THIS ORDINANCE, OR THE CHANGES IN THIS RESOLUTION, AND THEN FROM THE ORDINANCES FROM LAST YEAR.
THAT'S WHAT'S CAPTURED IN THAT RED LINE.
WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH GLO LEGAL, OUR LEGAL.
WE WENT THROUGH WHEN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING MAPS, WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 90% OF THOSE UPDATED.
THEY'VE BEEN REVIEWING ALL THE MAPS, AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
>> I GUESS THIS WOULD BE FOR EITHER OF YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY TIMELINE WHEN WE THINK IT MIGHT HIT THE REGISTRY?
>>WE NEED TO GET THE REST OF THE MAPS IN, AND ONCE YOU ALL FORMALLY SUBMIT IT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WILL TRY TO GET IT THROUGH AS QUICK AS WE CAN, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT AT NAUSEUM, [LAUGHTER] SO WE SHOULD BE READY TO GO.
IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH OUR FORMAL INTERNAL PROCESS TO GET APPROVED.
>> HOW LONG DOES THAT TYPICALLY TAKE?
>> DAVID, WHAT DO YOU THINK? SORRY., I'M GOING TO ASK MY ATTORNEY BACK THERE.
>> DAVID, COULD YOU COME ON UP, JOIN US.
>> WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET THAT UP THE WEEK AFTER NEXT.
LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT 90 OVER 90% OF THE MAPS DONE.
>> IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE.
CERTAINLY, DAVID LAND, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF COASTAL AND PUBLIC LANDS WITH OUR OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL.
AS FAR AS THE RULE REQUIREMENTS FOR REVIEW, BECAUSE THIS INVOLVES PUBLIC ACCESS CHANGES, TECHNICALLY WE WOULD HAVE 90 DAYS TO REVIEW A FORMAL SUBMISSION.
I THINK IN THIS CASE WE COULD CERTAINLY SHORTEN THAT TIME FRAME, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING SO CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ON.
BUT TECHNICALLY FOR THAT FIRST PIECE BEFORE IT NEEDS TO GO ON THE REGISTER IT WOULD BE 90 DAYS.
>> BUT AREN'T WE ALREADY IN THAT 90-DAY?
>> WELL I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN DOING AN INFORMAL PROCESS, BECAUSE AGAIN THERE'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE GLO TO RESOLVE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
USUALLY ONCE THAT'S BECOME FINAL, THEN IT WOULD BE FORMALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY AND THEN APPROVED FOR THE GLO.
>> WE HOPE TO SHORTEN THAT TIMELINE ON THAT 90-DAY REVIEW.
BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE WE HAVE TO MAKE THE STATE RULE-MAKING PROCESS.
>> IT TAKES TWO WEEKS TO GET IN THE REGISTER, 30 DAYS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEN WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS WE GET, AND THAT SOMETIMES MAY TAKE A LONG TIME.
>> BUT I MEAN JUST GETTING INTO THE REGISTER.
>> [INAUDIBLE] ANOTHER 90 DAYS.
>> I SAID WE'RE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING UP THE WEEK AFTER NEXT WEEK.
SOME MORE COORDINATION WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO SEND UP FROM THE ORDINANCES THAT WE PREPARED LAST YEAR. GO AHEAD.
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>> WELL I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE GLO FOR COMING DOWN HERE.
THEY WERE AT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY DROPPED DOWN FROM AUSTIN.
IT'S SUPER HELPFUL WHEN WE HAVE YOU ALL HERE IN PERSON, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PLANNER?
>> WE HAVE THE GLO HERE. OH, YOU GOT MORE.
>> I WANTED TO FINISH UP. I HAVE AN ORDINANCE ON THERE ALSO. [LAUGHTER].
>> IF I CAN, MAYO. THERE'S ANOTHER ACTION ITEM ON THERE TODAY.
IN OUR ORDINANCE WE ACTUALLY HAVE, DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT IN THERE, BUT ALLOWING IN GROUND GUNITE POOLS WITHIN 1,000 FEET, WHICH WE DO NOT ALLOW.
IT'S NOT IN OUR PLAN. THERE'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE IT TWO SECTIONS IN OUR ORDINANCE.
WHAT THIS IS IS JUST TO REMOVE IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THE RED LINE PLAN, IT'S NOT IN OUR PLAN.
THIS IS JUST TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING ON OUR ORDINANCE, JUST TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE FROM SECTION J.
THEN SECTION M IS BASICALLY THE SAME WORDS.
AS THEY SAID, IT'S NOT IN OUR PLAN, IT'S NOT PART OF THE RED LINE, IT'S A STANDALONE ORDINANCE APPROVAL AND REVIEW.
YOU'RE SAYING 1,000 FEET, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING ABOUT OF A MAJOR HIGHWAY IS IN BETWEEN.
>> NO. MOST OF WHAT'S ON THE WEST END THAT WE HAVE FALLS WITHIN 1,000 FEET, BECAUSE IT SAYS TO THE FIRST PUBLIC ROAD OR 1,000 FEET, WHATEVER IS GREATER WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE'S ONLY A FEW AREAS OUT THERE THAT ARE LOOKING AT BEING DEVELOPED THAT WOULD GO TO 3,005.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS DEVELOPED, THE STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'RE CONSIDERING AS PUBLIC ROADS. I'LL HAVE THE MAYOR.
>> WELL, KYLE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR KYLE, OR THE GLO, WHILE WE'RE HERE?
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY GREAT PRESENTATION.
IT WOULD LOOK LIKE REALLY PUT TOGETHER, AND I APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU. I KNEW IT WAS A LOT IN LAST YEAR.
>> I WANT TO THANK THE GLO FOR BEING HERE.
I KNOW YOU CAME IN FROM AUSTIN, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING DOWN HERE.
I HOPE YOU CAN ENJOY ALL OF OUR HOSPITALITY. [OVERLAPPING]
OUR THANKS, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT.
>> YOU'VE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO YOUR HAIR, AND I LOVE IT.
>> MARIE IS OUR STYLE [INAUDIBLE]
>> NO, I JUST RECOGNIZE PEOPLE.
I KEPT LOOKING AT HER FACE BACK THERE AND I'M LIKE [OVERLAPPING].
>> LET'S GO TO ITEM 3D, PLEASE.
[3.D. Discussion Of Alcohol Sales At Dellanera Beach Park (Bouvier/Brown - 20min)]
>> ITEM 3D, DISCUSSION OF ALCOHOL SALES AT DELANEY BEACH PARK.
>> COUNSEL, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
THIS IS ITEM 3D FOR ALCOHOL SALES AT DELANEY BEACH PARK.
IT IS ITEM 10C ON OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON FOR THE ACTION.
ITEM 10C IS BASICALLY ONLY ADDRESSING THE CONCEPT OF APPROVING OR NOT ALCOHOL SALES AT DELANEY PARK.
IT DOES NOT ADDRESS WHAT TYPE OF ALCOHOL SALES WOULD OCCUR THERE.
THAT IS, THIS AFTERNOON, WE'LL BE VOTING IF WE WANT TO HAVE ALCOHOL SALES THERE.
IN THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT THEN THE PARK BOARD CAN WORK WITH THE CITY IN COMING UP WITH EITHER A CONCESSIONAIRE AGREEMENT AND/OR HAVING A LICENSE AND ALCOHOL LICENSE THEMSELVES, IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP A PLAN ON HOW THAT CAN BE SOLD THERE AND THE PARTICULAR DETAILS OF THAT.
TODAY WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS, OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION TO GIVE STAFF GUIDANCE AND THE PARK BOARD GUIDANCE ON WHAT THE DETAILS ARE ON SELLING ALCOHOL OUT THERE, SO THAT THEN ONCE, IF COUNSEL APPROVES THE ALCOHOL SALES THIS AFTERNOON, AT OUR NEXT MONTHLY MEETING, STAFF WILL BRING BACK, AFTER WORKING WITH THE PARK BOARD, OPTIONS ON HOW THAT SHOULD BE DONE FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL.
IF THAT IS CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY.
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THE STUFF AFTER RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU FEEL SHOULD BE THE WAY THE ALCOHOL BE SOLD THERE, AND GIVING DIRECTIONS TO STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN WORK OUT A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNSEL. DAVID?>> WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION ON THIS LAST TIME AROUND.
THE ONLY TWO THINGS I WOULD SAY IS, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF SEEING HARD LIQUOR SALES OUT THERE, BUT BEER AND WINE I'M OKAY WITH.
WHETHER LEGALLY THEY CAN DO IT OR MUST HAVE A THIRD PARTY VENDOR, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR LEGAL CONTENT, NOT FOR COUNSEL, BUT SO HOWEVER, THAT WORKS OUT AS I'M JUST LONG AS WE'RE SOMEWHAT RESTRICTED.
BUT THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT'S ON-PRIM OFF-PRIM, DID THE PEOPLE BUY AND DRINK THERE OR IS IT A PACKAGE STORE, WHERE THEY BUY AND TAKE BACK TO THE SITE AND DRINK AND/OR TO THE BEACH OR WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO ADDRESS, MAYBE YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORE.
>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE PACKAGE SALE TYPE AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE PACKAGE SALE TYPE WITH LIKE A DACKERY MACHINE.
BUT ONCE THE PACKAGE OR ONCE THE LIQUOR IS SOLD AS A PACKAGE, I MEAN, WHAT RESTRICTIONS DO YOU HAVE WHERE THEY DRINK IT?
>> WELL, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE A RETAIL CLERK OR DO YOU HAVE A BARTENDER?
>> NO, THIS WOULD JUST BE LIKE GOING TO YOUR AMPM.
>> THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE TO SEE THAT KIND OF THING, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE DRINK.
IT IS JUST THAT'S MY THE DISTINCTION I WOULD MAKE.
>> I WAS JUST, BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED INTO THIS A LOT, AND LEGALLY THEY CAN DO IT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A QUESTION OF, IS A PUBLIC INTRUDING ON PRIVATE COMMERCE, AND SO FORTH.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
BUT IT'S NO LONGER A BEER AND WINE LICENSE.
IT'S NOW A BEER AND MALT LICENSE, BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SELL HARD CIDERS, ALL THOSE NEW DRINKS THAT I THINK TASTES TERRIBLE.
BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SELL THOSE AS WELL.
>> YOU STARTED OFF THE CONVERSATION WITH SAYING THAT IT COULD EITHER BE SOLD BY THE PARK BOARD OR A CONCESSIONAIRE?
>> MAYBE I'M NOT READING THIS CORRECTLY, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS ONLY ALLOWS FOR CONCESSIONAIRE.
>> SALE OF ALCOHOL CAN BE PERMITTED UNDER THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF CONCESSION AGREEMENT IN PARKS OPERATED BY THE CITY.
BECAUSE YOU MADE A COMMENT LAST TIME, THIS COULD BE A MODEL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE SOME CITY OPERATED PARKS THAT MAYBE ONE DAY YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO ALCOHOL, SO A COVERS THAT INSTANCE.
PERSONALLY, I DON'T FORESEE IT, BUT I WOULD THINK THE CITY WOULD WANT TO DO A CONCESSION AGREEMENT IN THAT INSTANCE.
B SAYS IF THE PARK BOARD CAN SELL IT THROUGH A CONCESSION AGREEMENT, AND THEY'LL ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD THAT BASICALLY SAYS, "WE'RE GOING TO USE A CONCESSION AGREEMENT AND HANDLES THE NUTS AND BOLTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND PARK BOARD.
>> SAYS, IF THE PARK BOARD CAN GET A LICENSE FROM THE TABC AND THEY WANT TO DO DIRECT SALES, THEY CAN DO THAT TOO, AND WE WOULD WRITE THAT INTO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD.
AS TO DELANEY PARK, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR FROM THE WORKSHOP LAST WEEK THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE WAS, I THINK YOU CALLED IT OPTION 2, WHICH WAS PACKAGE STORES OF BEER AND WINE, WHATEVER OUT OF THE CORE AND THEN THE WINE-BASED MARGARITA MACHINE.
I WOULD THINK WE'D BE WORKING ON AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
AS TO OTHER PARTS IN THE FUTURE AS I THINK YOU MENTIONED, THEY COULD DO THIS STEWART BEACH, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT JOINTLY WITH THEM.
HAVE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION?
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>> IT'S JUST FOR THE CITY, IF ONE DAY THE CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL WANTS TO DO ALCOHOL SALES AT A CITY PARK.
>> IT GIVE PICTURES, CURRENTLY YOU FINISH YOUR WORKOUT, AND YOU GO GET A GRAND GOLD MARGARITA.
>> 1A, THE CITY WOULD BRING COUNSEL A CONCESSION AGREEMENT?
>> COUNSEL WOULD APPROVE THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT FOR THE CITY TO SELL ALCOHOL AT A CITY PARK?
>> THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL WANTED TO DO?
>> NO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE HERE.
>> I THINK I WANTED TO SAY, I MIGHT AS WELL COVER THE CITY.
>> THAT'S GREAT. ABSOLUTELY. GET IT OUT OF THE WAY.
1B WOULD BE FOR THE PARK BOARD TO GET A CONCESSIONAIRE AND BRING A CONCESSION AGREEMENT TO THE CITY FOR APPROVAL, CORRECT?
>> YES. REMEMBER VINCE SAID THEY WERE STILL LOOKING WHETHER THEY WOULD USE A CONCESSIONAIRE OR PARK BOARD EMPLOYEES DIRECTLY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. THEN 1C WOULD BE THAT THE PARK BOARD WOULD BRING A CONCESSION AGREEMENT TO THE CITY FOR THEM TO SELL ALCOHOL BEVERAGES AT ONE OF THE PARKS THEY MANAGED?
>> WELL, I DIDN'T USE THE WORD CONCESSION AGREEMENT, JUST DIRECT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARK BOARD AND THE CITY.
>> WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AGREEMENT AND A CONCESSION AGREEMENT?
>> CONCESSION AGREEMENT, THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A THIRD PARTY CONCESSIONAIRE THAT'S BEEN AWARDED AN AGREEMENT BY THE PARK BOARD TO DO THE TASK.
>> THE CITY COULD NOT SELL ALCOHOL THEMSELVES AT ONE OF THEIR PARKS WITHOUT A CONCESSIONAIRE?
>> I DID NOT WRITE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE I COULD NOT CONCEIVE ANY CITY COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE WANTING TO SELL ALCOHOL WITH CITY EMPLOYEES AT THE TILL, MAYBE IT COULD HAPPEN.
>> PAPER READ IN LEAGUE CITY, THEY ARE TAKING OVER THAT BEVERAGE LICENSE THAT THE BASEBALL PART, SO THEY'RE THINKING CAN LEGALLY BE DONE.
>> THE CITY WOULD EMPLOY PEOPLE TO SELL ALCOHOL OUT AT THAT FIELD.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE DOING IT, BUT IT IMPLIED, IN THAT ARTICLE, THAT THE CITY WAS TAKING OVER THE ALCOHOL LICENSE.
>> THERE WAS ALSO A SUBSEQUENT ARTICLE THAT SAID, BIG LEG DREAM SAID, NOT SO FAST.
THERE'LL PROBABLY BE LITIGATION OVER THAT.
>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS FROM MY KNOWLEDGE FROM THE PAPER.
>> JOHN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT, THE WAY I INTERPRET THIS ORDINANCE IS THAT, ONCE WE APPROVE, IF COUNSEL DOES THE SALE OF ALCOHOL AT DELANEY PARK, THAT NO MATTER HOW THAT ALCOHOL IS SOLD, THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
>> THAT'S HOW I READ. I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO BE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE PUT IN THESE THINGS.
>> I BELIEVE, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THE NUTS AND BOLTS IN HERE LIKE YOU WILL OPEN DOOR EARLIER THAN.
THAT'LL BE WORKED OUT BETWEEN THE PARK BOARD AND CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
>> COUNSEL, ANY THOUGHTS ON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE HAD THE OPTIONS BEFORE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US.
VINCE IS HERE AND PRESENTED THOSE OPTIONS.
OPTION 2 WAS THE PACKAGE SALE BEER AND WINE, AND TO HAVE DAIQUIRI MACHINE OR WHATEVER, THAT IF IT WAS WINE-BASED, THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL'S DISCUSSION CENTERED AROUND LAST TIME.
IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS DIFFERENT THAN THAT?
>> NO. I DO REMEMBER THOUGH, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONVERSATION ON THIS YESTERDAY WITH THE PARK BOARD AND THE SALE OF PACKAGE WINE AND BEER, THE INSURANCE POLICY WAS LIKE 3,000 A YEAR, BUT WHEN YOU ADD A DAIQUIRI BEVERAGE, IT GOES UP QUITE CONSIDERABLY.
I THINK TO GET STARTED WOULD MY OPINION, AND I BELIEVE THE PARK BOARD'S OPINION WOULD BE TO DO THE PACKAGED WINE AND BEER.
>> WE HAD MARIA AND THEN DAVID.
>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP INSURANCE, BECAUSE YOU PROMPTED SOMETHING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHICH WOULD BE LIABILITY.
I MEAN, THAT SEEMS IT WILL REALLY RAISE YOUR LIABILITY INSURANCE BIG TIME.
>> WELL, THAT'S WHY IN PACKAGE,
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IT WOULD BE THE 3,000.ANYTHING BEYOND THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE.
>> I THOUGHT THE PACKAGE THOUGH COVERED IF IT WAS WINE BASED, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
>> VINCE IS HERE, HE COULD PROBABLY.
>> THAT'S A TABC ISSUE, AND THE PARK BOARD WILL HAVE TO WORK AHEAD.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THAT'S GOT TO BE PART OF THE MODEL THAT PARK BOARD WORKS OUT, AND BRINGS BACK.
I WOULDN'T WANT US TO TRY TO SPEAK TO THAT TODAY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
>> BUT THEY SHOULD COVER THAT LIABILITY ISSUE IN BIG TIME.
>> OF COURSE, THEY WILL IN THE PARK BOARD MODEL.
>> ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? WHAT ARE WE ASKING TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO US?
>> WELL, WE HAVE THE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON FOR ALCOHOL SALES.
RIGHT NOW, THE CITY IS GOING TO WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD ON PUTTING TOGETHER A THOUGHT ON OPTION 1 OR 2, AND BRING THAT BACK TO COUNSEL.
THAT'S PACKAGE SALE ONLY OR PACKAGE SALE WITH WINE BASED DAIQUIRIS OR MARGARITAS.
>> THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY.
>> TODAY WE ARE JUST ENABLING. THANK YOU, GOOD WORK.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. IS THERE ANY ALTERNATE THOUGHT ON THAT, COUNSEL? JOHN?
>> NO, I MEAN, IF THIS PASSES TODAY, THEN WE'LL SEE THIS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
>> YES, SIR. WELL, SEE THE DETAILS.
>> WILL THERE BE THE DRAFT AGREEMENT.
>> WE'LL SEE THE OPTIONS AT OUR NEXT MEETING?
>> YES, SIR. WHAT STAFF HAS WORKED OUT WITH THE PARK BOARD AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THE PARK BOARD HAS ADVANCED THEIR PLANNING, SO IT DEPENDS ON THEM TOO.
>> I UNDERSTAND THEY'D LIKE TO GET THIS IN PLACE.
>> OH, YEAH. I HEARD VINCE SAY THAT, AND ASSUME IT FOCUSED.
>> CAN WE CALL VINCE TO HAVE COMMENT ON IT.
>> VINCE SHOULD COME UP AND GIVE US A QUICK.
>> VINCE COME ON AND HAVE A SEAT.
I GUESS, YOU HEARD OUR DISCUSSION.
WE'RE TALKING ONE OR TWO OPTION, AND SO FORTH, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT?
>> DEFINITELY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
WE ARE READY TO GO AHEAD AND BRING BACK AN ITEM NEXT MONTH.
WE CAN WORK THROUGH THOSE LOGISTICAL ITEMS. WE ARE OBTAINING QUOTES RIGHT NOW FOR THE LIABILITY INSURANCE.
WE HAD SOME EARLY ON TO GIVE US A BASELINE TO FIGURE OUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WERE HERE.
WE COULD DEFINITELY BRING THOSE BACK.
MAYBE HOW WE COULD DRAFT THIS UP WOULD BE ALLOWING THE PARK BOARD TO GO UP TO OPTION 2, AND ALLOWING THE PARK BOARD TO, IF WE WANTED TO START OFF AT OPTION 1, AND AS WE GET SOME EXPERIENCE, GET SOME BASELINE UNDERNEATH THIS THAT WE COULD RAMP UP TO OPTION 2, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR CONSIDERATION.
>> IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN NOW OPTION 2 WOULD COME BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL AT THAT POINT.
DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ADOPTED IT UP.
WELL, THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, I THINK.
>> I WOULD THINK THAT IF WE CHOSE OPTION 2.
IF WE ALLOWED THE OPTION 2, AND THEY WANTED TO START WITH THE LESSER MODEL, I THINK THAT WOULD ONLY BE REASONABLE.
>> OPTION 1, WE PACKED SALES, BEAR AND MALT.
>> WHATEVER. NOT BURST ON MY TABC ETIQUETTE.
>> WHATEVER SELLS IN A TRAILER.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. THEN OPTION 2 WOULD BE PACKAGE ON SITE BEER AND WINE MALT.
>> I THINK IT WAS JUST UP TO THE MACHINE, THAT KIND OF THING.
IF A WINE BASED DICKORY MACHINE DOESN'T FALL TO THE FIRST ONE, THEY COULD GO UP TO THE SECOND, OPTION 2 WHERE THEY SELL THEM.
>> BUT IN THAT SAME WAY WHAT I SAID.
>> OPTION 1 AND 2 ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, WITH THE EXCEPTION TO OPTION 2 BEHIND THE COUNTER, OUR EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE THE WINE BASED DICKORY MACHINE THAT WE WOULD SERVE WITH A STRAW WITH THE CAP ON IT AND THEY COULD GO.
>> SIT ON THE DECK AND DRINK IT OR THEY CAN TAKE IT THERE.
>> WE HAVE HAD SOME CLARIFICATION WITH TABC THAT THEY COULD CONSUME THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
ONCE THEY LEAVE THE DOOR, THEY CAN CONSUME ON THE DECK OR ON PROPERTY PER TABC RULES.
>> GOT YOU. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
>> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, VINCE, VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE.
[3.E. Discussion Of The Transfer Of Additional Hotel Occupancy Tax To The Cultural Arts Beginning October 1, 2024 (Collins/Brown - 20min)]
PLEASE, JANELLE [PHONETIC].>> ITEM 3E, DISCUSSION OF THE TRANSFER OF ADDITIONAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX TO THE CULTURAL ARTS BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
>> THANKS. IF I COULD GET ANTOINETTE'S ASSISTANCE ON THIS.
THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT IN THIS FROM LAST YEAR, OR THE LAST THREE YEARS PREVIOUSLY, THE ALLOCATION FOR PUBLIC ART THROUGH THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION HAS ABOUT $100,000 A YEAR.
[01:50:03]
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT RAISED TO $250,000 A YEAR.$100,000 YEAR PROCESS, I THINK WENT REALLY WELL.
THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE.
AND AS YOU RAISE THESE LIMITS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO $250,000, IN PUBLIC ART IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY IN THAT RESERVE FUND, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR ANY OF THIS.
RIGHT NOW ON CHANNEL 16, THERE'S A VISUAL ON THE THE PIECE THAT DOUG MCCLAIN IS CONSTRUCTING, IT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON 20TH STREET DOWNTOWN, AND THAT WAS ABOUT AS LARGE AS WE COULD GET TO THE ALLOCATION THAT WE HAD.
I JUST I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GIVE THE CULTURE ARTS COMMISSION.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY, BUT THIS ALLOWS THEM TO GET A WIDER REACH WHEN THEY PUT OUT A CALL FOR PUBLIC ART.
>> THERE'LL BE A SMALL PIECE OF THAT SET ASIDE TO MAINTAIN WHAT'S OUT THERE BECAUSE OF VANDALISM, DAMAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT, AND THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
>> ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? JOHN?
>> BECAUSE IT'S APPROXIMATELY 10% OF THE AMOUNT OF THE SIX EIGHTS.
THREE QUARTERS OF A PENNY, WE TALKED ABOUT AN [INAUDIBLE], THREE QUARTERS OF A PENNY IS DEDICATED TO ART.
THAT'S WHERE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS FUNDED.
THERE'S A RESERVE FUND, THAT'S HOW CULTURAL ARTS IS FUNDED.
IF THERE'S NO GOOD REASON FOR 250, THEN IT RAISES THE CEILING ON WHAT YOU CAN PUT OUT A CALL FOR TO THE NEXT STEP.
BECAUSE HONESTLY, IF WE RAISE IT TO A MILLION DOLLARS, WE CAN AFFORD IT, BUT I DON'T THINK CULTURAL ARTS WOULD KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
BECAUSE ANYTHING UNSPENT JUST BUILDS UP IN THAT RESERVE FUND OVER TIME.
SO FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THERE MAY BE A REASON TO PUT OUT A CALL FOR A MILLION DOLLAR ART PIECE BECAUSE PUBLIC ARTS, AS IT TURNS OUT, IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE.
>> WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING PUBLIC ART THAT BEFORE WE GAVE ANY FUNDING OF THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION WAS GIVEN OR GIFTED TO THE CITY, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO MAINTAIN THAT.
OUR PARKS AND REC TAKES CARE OF THAT AND IT COMES OUT OF BUDGETS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO REALLY LOOK AT ALLOCATING FUNDING SPECIFIC TO THE UPKEEP OF THESE ASSETS, TO MARKETING.
>> I DON'T WANT THE UPKEEP OF THESE ASSETS FALLING ON THE TAXPAYERS OF GALVESTON.
WE HAVE THINGS THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN, AND RIGHT NOW THOSE COME OUT OF OUR PARKS BUDGETS.
>> DO WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THAT 250 THAT WE ARE SETTING ASIDE AUTOMATICALLY?
>> WELL, WE HAVE A WORKING BUDGET FOR IT.
IT'S THE AMERICANS FOR VISUAL ARTS ASSOCIATION AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I ALSO WANT TO ADD SOME MARKETING.
WE NEED PLAQUES THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE BUDGET ANYTIME ANYBODY IS AWARDED, AND THEN GOING THROUGH OUR EXISTING ASSETS AND SAYING THIS IS MAINTAINED BY THE ARTS AND CULTURAL COMMISSION AT THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
>> WHAT DO WE ALLOCATE FOR MAINTENANCE THROUGH IDC FUNDING? ISN'T IT 5%?
>> IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION IF WE WRITE 5%.
>> IT'S 5%. THEN IF WE HAVE A MAJOR REPAIR, YOU DO HAVE THE RESERVES IN THAT FUND THAT YOU CAN TAP.
>> T'S ONLY TEN GRAND A YEAR TO $12,000 A YEAR.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE AS COLORFUL AS I WAS YESTERDAY IN MY MEETING, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ART.
>> THAT'S A A CONVERSATION FOR LATER, BUT THE COMMISSION DIDN'T REQUIRE THAT THE ARTISTS PAY FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE PIECES, WHICH IS OFTENTIMES A 20% COST OF A LARGE PIECE.
THEN WE'D ALSO ADDITIONALLY LIKE TO MARKET THESE PIECES TO ASK EXISTING TOURS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO CREATE A PUBLIC ART TOUR.
>> WE'RE FUNDING THIS WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, SO THEY NEED TO BE VISITOR FRIENDLY, SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MARKET THAT SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO GALVESTON, THEY CAN SEE THE ART.
>> MY SUGGESTION IS, AND I'M PROBABLY GETTING OFF TOPIC HERE, WHEN YOU HAVE A MURAL, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A COATING THAT YOU CAN PUT ON TOP OF IT.
IT'S AN ANTI GRAFFITI THAT YOU CAN COME BY AND WASH IT OFF.
>> THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN MOVING A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM MURALS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MURALS.
>> BUT AS WE MAINTAIN THE MURALS.
>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT PROTECTING WHAT WE HAVE.
>> IN THE FUTURE, SOME PROJECTS THAT COME TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION MAY BE REHABILITATION.
IT MAY BE AN ACTUAL PROJECT, NOT A MAINTENANCE.
IT MAY BE REHABILITATION OF A COUPLE OF THESE.
>> THIS FUNDING IS AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, BUT THE FUND IS MANAGED BY ANTOINETTE AND BARBARA THROUGH PARKS AND REC.
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>> I HAVE JUST A QUESTION, I GUESS IT IS, PROCEDURALLY ON THIS, DAVID GUIDE US ON THIS.
THIS MONEY THAT IS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO CULTURAL ARTS IS COMING OUT OF THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDS.
>> NO, IT'S COMING OUT OF THE SIX EIGHTS PENNY THAT IS RESERVED FOR ART AND CULTURAL EVENTS IN THE CITY.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEES MONEY.
>> LET ME RESTATE THIS MONEY IS COMING OUT OF THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD'S ORDINANCE.
IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE HOT TAX.
BECAUSE IN OUR PACKET MATERIAL, IF YOU'LL NOTICE, IT DOES NOT SAY WHERE THIS HOT COMES FROM.
>> IT'S NEVER SAID WHERE THIS HOT COMES FROM.
AND IN THE 20 YEARS WE'VE BEEN PRETENDING TO DO THIS, IT'S NEVER SAID THIS, BUT, IN A DIFFERENT CASE, A FUTURE COUNCIL, COULD TAKE THIS OUT OF HOT FROM ELSEWHERE.
YOU COULD FUND IT WITH TRICKLE DOWN IF YOU WANTED IN THE SAME WAY WE COULD DO IT WITH ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS FUNDED OUT OF THE SAME SIX EIGHTS PENNY THAT IS RESERVED IN THE LAW FOR CULTURAL ARTS.
>> WELL, THE WAY MY MIND WORKS, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS WE HAD $50,000 THAT CAME OUT OF FUNDS THAT WERE TIED UP WITH THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND WE PUT IT IN THE ORDINANCE OF THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD TO MOVE 50,000 TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.
THEN WE CAME BACK A SECOND TIME, AND WE CHANGED THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDINANCE TO MOVE IT TO 100,000.
NOW WE'RE WANTING TO MOVE THAT TO A TOTAL OF 250,000, BUT BEFORE US IS NOT TO CHANGE THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDINANCE TO MOVE IT TO 250.
THAT'S NOT IN THE PACKET MATERIAL.
>> I WOULD LOOK TO LEGAL FOR THAT.
>> I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE SHOULD AT LEAST PRETEND IN GALVESTON THAT WE CARE ABOUT PUBLIC ART.
WE'VE ALWAYS ALLOWED OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS TO DICTATE HOW THAT SIX EIGHTS GETS SPENT.
THAT'S BEEN A BATTLE THAT'S BEEN RUNNING FOR A GOOD 10 YEARS BECAUSE FOR 30 YEARS WE'VE BEEN DOING IT NO OTHER WAY, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE, AS A CITY, WE WANT TO DEDICATE MONEY TO PUBLIC ART, WE NEED TO DECIDE TO DEDICATE MONEY TO PUBLIC ART, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
I'M JUST TALKING PROCEDURALLY.
I'VE TALKED TO DON YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE ON THIS.
WE'VE ALWAYS THEN AMENDED OUR ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDINANCE TO INCREASE THAT FUNDING.
WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WITH THIS MOTION.
SO PROCEDURALLY, HOW DO WE DO THAT?
>> WELL, PROCEDURALLY, LET ME SAY, I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING HERE.
>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID, INCREASING TO 250.
>> PROCEDURALLY, [OVERLAPPING].
>> PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS, WHICH IS WHEN THIS WOULD TAKE EFFECT, THE CULTURAL ARTS ALLOCATION FIRST 50, NOW 100, PROPOSED TO GO TO 250 HAS ALWAYS MERELY SAID, IT COMES OUT OF HOT MONEY, AND IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC HOT MONEY THAT WE'RE USING.
LET ME SEE. I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE ARTS AND HISTORIC HAS A SPECIFIC ALLOCATION.
>> IT'S IN THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
MY QUESTION IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDINANCE, SO IF WE APPROVE THIS, THEN SOMEONE WOULD COME AND SAY, HERE'S THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDINANCE, IT ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE $100,000.
I'M JUST PROCEDURALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE PROPERLY AND WE'VE GOT ALL OUR T'S CROSSED AND I'S DOTTED.
>> I'LL SIT DOWN WITH THE FINANCE PEOPLE AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO SHORE UP, AND IF SO, WE'LL HAVE IT BACK NEXT MONTH.
>> WHY WOULD IT BE FINANCE? THERE'S NOT AN ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFIES THIS? I MEAN, CRAIG IS SAYING THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE OUT THERE.
>> THERE IS. BECAUSE WHERE WE WANT THIS MONEY TO COME FROM
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IS FROM THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE TIED UP FOR PROMOTION OF EVENTS.>> IT DOES SAY MINUS THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, 100,000, SO YEAH, WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE THAT AS WELL.
>> WE CAN BRING UP THAT ONE JOINTLY.
>> CAN YOU BRING THAT TO US THIS AFTERNOON?
>> CAN THAT WILL HAPPEN THOUGH?
>> SURE. WE KICK DOWN THE ROAD FOR ANOTHER YEAR.
>> THERE'S AN ORDINANCE, IT'S THE STANDARD.
>> CAN WE APPROVE THIS ONE AND THEN BRING BACK THAT ORDINANCE CHANGE?
>> NONE OF THAT HAPPENS IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, ANYWAY.
>> BUT WHEN YOU HAVE RATHER HAVE IT APPROVED 250 VERSUS 100 AS IT IS RIGHT NOW?
>> DO I SOUND LIKE I DON'T WANT THE APPROVAL?
>> NO, SO DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO DEFER TO MONTH AND DO IT RIGHT?
>> WELL, NO. THAT'S MY QUESTION TO LEGAL IS, DON, SINCE THIS ISN'T TAKING EFFECT UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET PERIOD, CAN THIS MOVE FORWARD FOR APPROVAL AND THEN IF APPROVED, COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH THE SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE CHANGE RELATED TO ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION?
WHAT IF WE APPROVED THIS TODAY, WHICH WOULD NOT HAPPEN THAT FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T APPROVE IT WHEN IT COMES BACK?
>> WE CAN'T TRANSFER THE MONEY AND MINE FROM.
>> ULTIMATELY WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AS PART OF THE BUDGET.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MOVE AS COUNCILMAN COLLINS WANTS IT TO MOVE.
OUT OF THE 68 PENNY THAT IS PUT TOGETHER, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HANDLED IT THROUGH AMENDING THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ORDINANCE.
>> IT'S ALWAYS BEEN COUCH CHANGE.
THAT'S AND IT NEEDS TO BE ITS OWN EFFORT.
>> IT NEEDS TO BE ITS OWN EFFORT.
>> I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. WELL, LET'S BRING IT UP THIS AFTERNOON.
I THINK EVERYBODY'S IN FAVOR OF THIS.
>> WE CAN PASS THIS AND THEN TAKE IT OUT OF THE ART AND STORE PROBATION ORDINANCE, THEY CAN MAKE THOSE TWO SEPARATE EFFORTS.
>> WHAT DID YOU SAY, DON? I'M SORRY.
>> HOW YOU PROCEED IS YOUR PLEASURE.
MR. FINKLEA HAD SUGGESTED YOU COULD PASS TODAY'S TODAY AND THEN DO THIS AMENDING PAPERWORK NEXT MONTH.
IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S IN ACCORD, BUT OF COURSE THERE'S NO VOTE ON IT.
>> THERE'S NO VOTE ON THE SECOND PART.
>> THERE'S A VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
>> WELL, THERE'S NO VOTING WORKSHOP IS WHAT DON IS SAYING.
>> WELL, THAT'S FINE. JUST AS LONG AS WE GET THOUGH.
>> YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO IT THAT WAY?
>> SINCE YOU GAVE ME A BLANKET, I'M 100% THERE.
>> LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3, PLEASE.
[3.F. Discussion Of In-Person Meetings For All City Committees (Collins/Brown - 10 Min)]
>> HAVE YOU NOTICED THOUGH THEY TURNED THE HEAT UP TODAY? IT'S ACTUALLY HOT IN HERE.
>> ITEM 3, DISCUSSION OF IN PERSON MEETINGS FOR ALL CITY COMMITTEES.
>> DAVID, BACK TO ME. WHERE ARE WE? THREE. IS THIS NOT ON REGULAR? IT'S ON WORKSHOP.
>> IT'S ITEM 10D ON THE RIGHT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S ON WORKSHOP BECAUSE WE WORKSHOPPED THE LAST.
>> THAT OF HOW I FELT ABOUT BOTH THESE ITEMS.
>> WE WANT YOU TO DO IT IN PERSON.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY IN PERSON AT THIS TIME? IT WASN'T ONE OF THE MEETINGS Y'ALL HAD ON YOUR OFFICE.
>> LET'S WAIT. DAVID, PRESENT THIS TOPIC. GO AHEAD, DAVID.
>> THE CITY COUNCIL DEEMS IT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST TO RESUME IN PERSON MEETINGS IN ALL CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD APPLY TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE IT DOES NOT APPLY TO CITY COUNCIL.
>> THAT'S THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE.
>> YOU ARE GOVERNED BY NUCLEAR HEAD.
>> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. CITY COUNCIL AND IDC.
>> I THINK IDC FALLS UNDER SEPARATE RULES AS A CORPORATE DOES BECAUSE IT'S SEPARATE.
>> WOULDN'T AFFECT EITHER OF THOSE.
>> WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE IN PERSON RULE THAT
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IS BEFORE US WOULD NOT APPLY TO CITY COUNCIL?>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM LEGAL AND I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO APPLY TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE BUSINESS OF CITY COUNCIL IS YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES IS DOING AND WHAT CITY COUNCIL IS DOING.
>> BECAUSE WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO EVERYTHING COMMITTEE IS DOING RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
>> IT IS COVERED IN THE MEETINGS, THAT A COUNCIL PERSON OR ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN ATTEND A MEETING IF THEY ARE ON CAMERA ALL THE TIME.
THEY CAN DO THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
AGAIN, I'LL DEFER TO LEGAL ON THIS.
THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE NOT DISCUSSED IN THE LAW THE SAME WAY A CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS SO WE CAN SET THE RULES FOR COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
>> THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE. THAT'S HOW WE WERE ALLOWED ZOOM MEETINGS, HYBRID MEETINGS OR ZOOM MEETINGS TO BEGIN WITH AND IT'S JUST BEEN MY EXPERIENCE AND I THINK STAFF EXPERIENCE, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETIMES MORE THAN HALF OF YOUR ATTENDEES VIA CAMERA.
YOU DON'T GET THE SAME LEVEL OF ACTION.
YOU DON'T GET THE SAME INTERACTION.
MIKE, YOUR MUTED. OF COURSE, THIS WOULDN'T APPLY TO WORK ORDER.
I WAS JUST IN A MEETING AND OVER HALF WERE NOT PRESENT, AND THERE WAS NO CAMERA, AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF A VOTE GOING, AND IT WAS A NIGHTMARE, AND IT TOOK US 15 MINUTES.
>> GOOD MORNING, DONNA. HOW ARE YOU?
>> GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL.
>> YES. DONNA FAIRWEATHER, SENIOR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION, DONNA, JUST CUTTING TO THE BOTTOM LINE, FINANCE COMMITTEE OR LANDMARK COMMITTEE AND THE INDIVIDUALS PASSING THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE US, CAN THEY INTEND TO PRESUME?
>> I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT BY SAYING, LET'S CLARIFY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES AS OPPOSED TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
THERE ARE CERTAIN COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES THAT, EITHER STATUTORILY OR BY CITY CHARTER OR CODE, I'D HAVE TO MEET IN PERSON.
WHEN OF COURSE, COVID AND THE PANDEMIC SITUATION HAPPENED, STATE ALLOWED THE VIEWING IN THE ZOOMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHEN THAT CRISIS WAS DECLINING, THOSE COMMISSIONS, EITHER STATUTORILY AGAIN, OR CITY CHARTER OR CODE, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO COME BACK AND DO THE IN PERSON MEETINGS.
THOSE BOARDS ARE THINGS LIKE CITY COUNCIL, LANDMARK, PLANNING COMMISSION.
THOSE TYPES OF BOARDS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT IN PERSON TYPE OF OPEN MEETING.
IF THERE'S A QUORUM IN THE ROOM, CAN ONE MEMBER ZOOM IN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT'S STILL AN OPTION.
SAME THING, JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL, IF ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS AREN'T AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, AS LONG AS THERE'S A QUORUM IN THE ROOM, THEY HAVE THAT OPTION TO ZOOM IN OR HOWEVER ELSE ATTEND THE MEETING.
WHAT THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE DOES, TWO YEARS AGO WE SAID THAT THERE WERE SOME BOARDS, SOME, ACTUALLY, COMMITTEES THAT WERE MEETING, AND IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR THEM TO BE IN PERSON.
THERE WASN'T A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR IT, AND THE CODE WAS LIKE, THEY CAN STILL HAVE THAT ZOOM OPTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THERE IS NOW SOME FOLKS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY PAYING ATTENTION AS THEY SHOULD TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNICATION THAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE ARE HAPPENING IN PERSON AND HAVING THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF PAYING ATTENTION AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO FOR THEIR BOARDS.
JANELLE [PHONETIC], PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE.
THERE ARE MAYBE SEVEN OR EIGHT BOARDS THAT ARE IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT STILL HAD THE ABILITY TO JUST ZOOM.
WELL, THIS ORDINANCE WILL STOP THAT.
>> WHAT WE'RE DOING IS MAKING ALL THE COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS TO HAVE THE SAME RULES AS CITY COUNCIL.
>> NOT PRECISELY BECAUSE AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ATTEND VIRTUALLY.
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>> WELL, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT.
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ATTEND VIRTUALLY, BUT AGAIN, THERE HAS TO BE A PHYSICAL QUORUM IN THE ROOM.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THIS CONTEMPLATES? REQUIRING A PHYSICAL QUORUM IN THE ROOM? I DON'T KNOW OF A CASE WHERE THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.
>> THAT WASN'T MY INTENT AT ALL.
>> IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THE COMMITTEES GO BY WHAT CITY COUNCIL DOES, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT WE SAY, THAT IF THERE'S NOT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW WHAT CITY COUNCIL DOES AND OR ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
SO IF ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER CITY COUNCIL ALLOWS IT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
>> IT WAS MY INTENT WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND, AND IF THEY COULDN'T ATTEND, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE AN ABSENCE AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN.
IF WE HAD FAILED TO ACHIEVE THAT IN THIS, WE WILL FIX IT, BUT I WAS OF THE IMPRESSION THAT THE DESIRE OF SOME WAS TO ELIMINATE THE ZOOM PEOPLE ATTENDING BOARD MEETINGS.
>> THERE ARE BOARDS WHERE MEMBERS, I'VE NOT SEEN THEIR FACE IN MORE THAN A YEAR.
>> DONNA AND DON, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS IN OUR PACKET, IF THIS IS APPROVED, WHAT WOULD THAT ALLOW? THE WAY I INTERPRETED IT, IT WOULD ALLOW OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO HAVE THE SAME RULES AS CITY COUNCIL.
>> THAT'S THE WAY I INTERPRET IT.
>> SO EITHER EVERYBODY GETS TO ZOOM OR NOBODY GETS TO ZOOM?
>> NO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM.
>> THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE?
>> THAT HAD THAT HARDLY ACHIEVES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
>> I GUESS, FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, THAT YOU HAVE MEETINGS WHERE EVERYONE WILL ZOOM IN.
>> WE'LL HAVE THREE IN ATTENDANCE AND MAYBE SEVEN ONLINE.
>> SO THEN YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A QUORUM TECHNICALLY.
>> RIGHT. BUT THEY PROCEEDED TO HAVE A QUORUM.
>> THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE.
>> YEAH. THIS IS CHANGING THAT.
IT'S PUTTING EVERYTHING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL RULES.
>> IN A SENSE, PUTS IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
>> WE DON'T ZOOM ANYMORE EITHER TECHNICALLY.
>> WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL FROM '12-'14 NORMAN PAPOOSE WAS DOING MEETINGS FROM ENGLAND.
WASN'T ZOOM. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DID IT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DID IT EITHER.
>> WELL, HE ONLY ATTENDED ONE MEETING.
>> ZOOM DIDN'T COME AROUND, AND WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE COVID, SO IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN OUT THERE.
>> I'M NOT MARRIED TO THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE AROUND TO SUFFER WITH IT VERY MUCH LONGER.
YOU MIGHT EVEN WANT SOME BOARDS [INAUDIBLE]
>> BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.
>> BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
>> IF IT IS A DESIRE OF COUNCIL, WE CAN ADD AS A LINE THAT PROHIBITS ATTENDANCE BY ZOOM BY BOARD AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
>> PERSONALLY, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT JUST PERSONALLY.
TAKE COUNCILMAN BOUVIER'S SITUATION, I THINK IT THERE WILL BE SOME MEETINGS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS LIAISONS TO CERTAIN COMMITTEES, AND MIKE BOUVIER MAY WANT TO ATTEND A FAMILY CHILDREN AND YOUTH BOARD MEETING, BUT HE COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON, AND HE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ZOOM IN ON THAT MEETING.
>> I GOT A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN I WAS ON HGAC'S TRANSPORTATION POLICY COMMISSION-
>> THEY TOOK IT AWAY, YOU CAN NO LONGER.
>> EVERYBODY ZOOMED BECAUSE IT'S A PAIN IN THE BUTT TO DRIVE FROM HERE.
>> NO MORE ZOOM. I HAVE TO DRIVE TO HOUSTON TOMORROW.
>> SO THEY OPTED TO HAVE A LUNCH IN HOUSTON OCCASIONALLY.
>> TRUE, UNLESS IT'S FOR [INAUDIBLE]
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>> GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SHOP AS WELL.
>> BUT SAY, FOR INSTANCE, HGAC NOW REQUIRES IN PERSON MEETINGS.
>> THIS WILL BE OUR SECOND IN PERSON ALL THE WAY MEETING, YES.
>> THAT WAS MY THOUGHT, AND I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.
>> I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING AND I THINK THAT MAY CHANGE.
BECAUSE MY COMMUTE MIGHT BE AN HOUR AND A HALF, BUT IF YOU'RE COMING FROM AUSTIN COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S EXPANDING, YOU'RE DRIVING 2.5 HOURS.
YOU PROBABLY COMMUTE AS FAR AS ANYBODY.
ON MOST OF BOARDS COMMISSIONS, YOU PROBABLY HAVE AS BIG A DRIVE AS ANY OF US DO.
SO THE ONLY CHANGE HERE IS THAT A QUORUM MUST BE THERE, BUT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN BE ZOOMING.
>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THE DISCUSSION SHOULD BE ON THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE ABUSING THE ABILITY TO ZOOM IN.
I THINK MOST OF THE BOARDS, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT I REPRESENT AT TIMES, UNDERSTAND THAT ONE PERSON WHO'S CONSTANTLY ZOOMING IN, THEY'RE GOING TO GET A TALK WITH.
>> BY THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
WELL, THE ONES THAT I REPRESENT.
>> PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT, BUT THEY DON'T SAY, YOU NEED TO SHOW UP.
>> I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR CITY COUNCIL.
>> WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO NEVER SHOW UP.
>> THERE MAY BE A WAY THAT WE COULD APPEASE, GET EVERYBODY HAPPY, IS TO SAY YOU CAN ONLY ATTEND 10% OF THE MEETING BY ZOOM, OR WHATEVER THE PROPER NUMBER YOU FELT.
SO THEN WE ELIMINATE, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN FACES OF PEOPLE IN OVER A YEAR.
>> WE'VE TALKED, AND I THINK EVEN JANELLE AND HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOLKS THAT CONSTANTLY DO NOT ATTEND IN PERSON AND HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE ANY COMMENTS AND TRY TO WORK ON SOMETHING.
>> I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION ON WHO GOES ON THESE BOARDS.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS NOT PARTICIPATING, IF SOMEBODY IS JUST ZOOMING IN AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN PUTTING A VIDEO UP THERE AND THEY'RE NOT TALKING, THE EX OFFICIAL OR THE CHAIRMAN NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TO COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL NEEDS TO PUT SOMEBODY ELSE ON THAT BOARD.
>> MAY I INTERRUPT? MY IT DIRECTOR HAS JUST SAID, CAN YOU SWITCH TO ATTEND REMOTELY INSTEAD OF USING ZOOM
>> ANYWAY, BUT TO YOUR POINT, JUST TO USE THE TPC AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.
IF YOU WERE THERE IN PERSON AND YOU HAD YOUR CAMERA ON AND YOU HAD TO HAVE YOUR VOLUME ON, AND AT ANY TIME THERE WAS A DECISION TAKING PLACE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING MORE FRUSTRATING TO ME THAN WHEN YOU WOULD BE ON A ZOOM AND EVERYBODY HAD A PICTURE UP THERE OR NOTHING UP THERE, JUST THAT BLANK HEAD WITH NAME.
>> I'M FOR THIS AND I THINK THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
THE DOWNFALL IS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE LOOKING FOR A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS.
>> WE ALWAYS HAVE A TON APPLY.
>> WELL, THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED IN THE PACKING MATERIAL IS THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT MOVES ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TO HOW COUNCIL DOES IT.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT IN PERSON AND OTHERS CAN ZOOM IN.
NOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO CHANGE THAT OR AMEND IT IN ANY WAY, BRING THAT FORWARD WHEN WE VOTE ON IT. SOUNDS GOOD.
>> BUT AREN'T WE ALSO REQUIRED TO LET JANELLE KNOW SO MANY DAYS AHEAD OF TIME IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO?
>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO STATE YOUR LOCATION.
>> IT CHANGED A FEW YEARS BACK.
>> WELL, THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE LOCATION, SO ANYBODY CAN COME TO THE BEACH HOUSE AND ATTEND, THAT'S ONE THING.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS THE [INAUDIBLE].
>> IT'S NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT.
>> BUT IT'S NO LONGER REQUIRED THAT PEOPLE NOTIFY YOU AHEAD OF TIME THAT THEY WILL BE ATTENDING REMOTELY.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE USE SOME STANDARD LANGUAGE ON EVERY AGENDA AND I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME ANYMORE, AND THE REMOTE LOCATION NO LONGER HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
>> BUT FOR IT ISN'T IT USUALLY GOOD TO SAY LIKE I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD TELL YOU WITHIN 72 HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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>> BUT I GUESS IT COULD BE A MEDICAL SITUATION THERE.
>> ONE LAST THOUGHT ON THIS IF COUNCIL, I'M SORRY SHARON.
>> MY SECOND PART WAS THAT SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT MARIE MAKING, SINCE THIS CHANGE CAME ABOUT AFTER COVID THEN SHOULD WE LOOK AT GIVING SOME KIND OF STIPULATIONS TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHEN ASKING THEM TO SERVE? TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO ATTEND?
>> WELL, WE HAVE A ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO ATTEND 75% OF THE MEETINGS.
>> BUT THAT DOESN'T STIPULATE IF IT'S IN PERSON OR BY [INAUDIBLE].
>> MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST ADD THAT TO THE OTHER ORDINANCE AT THE SAME TIME, 75% OF THE MEETINGS IN PERSON.
MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT ADDING THAT.
>> I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
>> THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. NOW I WOULD SAY, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR JANELLE, BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO KEEP TRACK OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD ATTEND IN ZOOM AND WHEN ON ALL THESE COMMITTEES.
>> I THINK THE INDIVIDUAL STAFF MEMBERS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE BOARDS ARE DOING THAT AND THEN THEY REPORT THE ATTENDANCE TO ME SO I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING AN ISSUE.
>> YOU COULD DENOTE WHICH ONES ARE ZOOMED AND WHICH ONES NOT.
>> I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD STOP POSTING A HYBRID OPTION ON THESE AGENDAS AND HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS JUST CONTACT THE STAFF MEMBERS IF THEY NEED TO ZOOM IN.
LIKE DON'T GIVE THEM THE OPTION TO DO IT AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING.
>> THAT'S TRUE AND THAT WOULD THEN REQUIRE THEM TO MEET THE POSTING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO NOTIFY US THAT FAR IN ADVANCE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE] AND IF IT DOESN'T POST DIRECTLY, THEY MAKE YOU DO IT.
>> THAT'S NO LONGER A REQUIREMENT.
I'M JUST SAYING DO AWAY WITH THE HYBRID POSTING AND THAT WAY IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY THERE FOR THEM.
>> BECAUSE STAFF HAS TO SET UP THE I GUESS IT'S A TEAMS MEETING NOW.
PRIOR TO THE MEETING, SEND OUT THE LINK AND SO FORTH AND THAT WOULD ONLY BE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT'S SAYING THEY CAN'T BE THERE IN PERSON.
I THINK CURRENTLY IT'S BEING POSTED ON THE AGENDA AND IT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
>> DONNA, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE MAYBE WANT TO HAVE A STIPULATION IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAVE TO ATTEND 75% OF THE MEETINGS IN PERSON.
>> I THINK THAT'S A DOABLE [INAUDIBLE] AND THE OTHER PART TO THAT IS IF THERE'S SOME REASON THAT A PERSON CANNOT ATTEND IN PERSON AND THEY FALL OUTSIDE THAT 75% THERE'S ALWAYS THE ABILITY TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND EXPLAIN WHY, AND IF THERE'S A GOOD REASON THEN THEY CAN [INAUDIBLE].
>> UNDER THE CURRENT ATTENDANCE RULE YOU COULD DO THAT?
>> DONNA, COULD YOU AMEND THE MOTION AND GIVE US ON OUR PODIUM THERE WHEN WE ARE SCHEDULING FOR THIS AFTERNOON, PLEASE.
>> SHARON, GOOD THOUGHT ON THAT.
VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3G.
[3.G. Discussion Of Regulations And Permitting Of Buskers, Street Performers (Brown/ A. Lynch - 10 Min)]
>> 3G, DISCUSSION OF REGULATIONS AND PERMITTING OF BUSKERS, STREET PERFORMERS.
WE HAVE HAD SOME QUESTIONS FROM BUSKERS, WHICH ARE STREET ENTERTAINERS CONCERNING, WELL, THERE'S SOME CHUCKLES ON THAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT THE STREET ENTERTAINERS ABOUT ORDINANCES, RULES AND REGULATIONS PERMITTING FOR BUSKERS OR STREET ENTERTAINERS.
I HAD RECEIVED A NUMBER OF CALLS ABOUT THAT.
I TALKED TO ANTOINETTE, I THINK I'D EMAILED BUTCH ON THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE IS, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT CURRENTLY, IS THAT FROM A CASE OUT OF HOUSTON THAT IT IS YOU CANNOT HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS PROHIBITING BUSKERS ON PUBLIC LAND, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.
>> I REMEMBER SIDEWALKS AREN'T NECESSARILY PUBLIC LAND.
>> HOW ABOUT FIXING THEM SO THEY MUST BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. THE WAY THAT WE MAY WANT TO PURSUE THIS IS HAVE ANTOINETTE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND
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WITH THE CITY MARSHALS COME UP WITH A BEST PRACTICES BROCHURE.IF A BUSKER IS WANTING TO KNOW HAVE MUSIC OR WHATEVER IN THE CITY, WHAT THAT DOES IS OUTLINES THE NUISANCE ORDINANCES AND OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY FOR BUSKER, SUCH AS BLOCKING A SIDEWALK, SUCH AS IF THEY HAVE AMPLIFIED MUSICS.
>> I THINK THAT THAT'S KEY TO A LOT OF IT.
AGAIN, CAN WE NOW PROHIBIT AMPLIFIED?
>> RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE AN AMPLIFICATION LOUDSPEAKER PERMIT, IF THEY USE THAT FOR THEIR EVENT OR THEIR ENTERTAINMENT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE SITTING OUT THERE WITH A GUITAR AND A BUCKET AND A STICK AND YOU'RE MAKING MUSIC, WELL, YOU DON'T NEED ONE.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT, WE HAVE THOSE IN DOWNTOWN.
THEY GOT A WASHTUB AND A WOODEN BOX AND A REGULAR LITTLE STRING GUITAR, AND THEN MAKE MUSIC.
THE PROBLEM IS THE CROWD THAT IT ATTRACTS FOR WHATEVER REASON, SOME OF THEM ATTRACT MORE THAN OTHERS, AND THAT'S WHERE OUR PROBLEMS BEGIN.
>> WE ALSO GET COMPLAINTS THAT IT'S OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC TO THEIR STORES.
THEN WE GET COMPLAINTS THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT IN FRONT OF THEIR STORE.
IT VARIES DEPENDING ON WHO IT IS AND WHAT IT IS, AND WHERE IT IS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A BARS CA.
IS IT A STREET ENTERTAINER THAT WILL HAVE A HAT OUT OR BE ACCEPTING.
>> THE PERSON WHO ENTERTAINS IN A PUBLIC PLACE FOR DONATIONS.
>> THERE ARE CITIES WHERE THAT IS DONE.
>> THE REASON THAT HOUSTON ORDINANCE WAS KICKED BACK BECAUSE OF SEVERAL REASONS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYS THAT WE CAN'T COME UP WITH A BUSKING ORDINANCE.
ONE THAT I WOULD HOPE TO WORK WITH THE MUSICIANS TO COME UP WITH AND SEE WHERE WE CAN FIND COMMON GROUND.
THE PARK BOARD HAS A COMMITTEE CALLED THE GALVESTON MUSIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH DAVE AND LET THEM BE THE TOUCH POINT TO THE ARTISTS DOWN HERE AND LET THAT SYSTEM WORK THE WAY IT SHOULD WORK, WHERE THEY ARE COMMUNITY SIDE.
DAVE IS ALSO THE STATE LIAISON FOR THE TEXAS MUSIC OFFICE.
THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT CAN COME DOWN FROM WHAT OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS ARE DOING FOR BUSKING.
THERE'S ALSO NATIONAL BUSKING ASSOCIATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF WE HAVE A LITTLE GROUP OF THAT.
>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
>> COUNSEL, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MUSICIANS.
WHAT IF IT'S A MIND OR WHAT IF IT'S ABOUT WHAT ARE THOSE STATUE PEOPLE?.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARTISTS THAT DO BUSKING.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT DAVE WOULD BE PART OF IT, MYSELF, THE MARSHALS, BECKY IS HERE.
BECKY MAJOR, SHE WORKS WITH MANY ARTISTS, AND IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ONES THAT BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. WE NEED THIS.
I KNOW COUNSEL HAS DISCUSSED IT YEARS AGO AND NOTHING REALLY CAME FROM IT.
NEW ORLEANS HAS SOME AMAZING BUSKING ETIQUETTES.
OTHER CITIES DO ASK BUSKERS TO REGISTER, SO IT'S AN ANNUAL BUSKING PERMIT WITH SOME HAVE LIKE $5 FEES, SOME ARE AT NO COST, AND THEY JUST HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY'RE A RESIDENT.
>> ANTOINETTE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH, AND THAT'S IN MY MIND, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME BUSKER CODE OF CONDUCT THAT YOU AGREED TO.
THAT IF YOU WANT TO BE A BUSKER IN GALVESTON, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO DO IT. WE ENCOURAGE IT.
WE THINK IT'S GREAT. I PERSONALLY LIKE IT, BUT HERE'S SOME RULES.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND COOPERATION WITH VISIT GALVESTON, BECAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT PARK BOARD IN THE PAST, THIS VERY THING.
THEY NEED TO BE RULES AND NEED SOME ETIQUETTE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T YOU DON'T WANT COMPETING BUSKERS.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM IN FRONT OF STORES THAT DON'T WANT THEM THERE, THAT THING.
>> I THINK IT ADDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COLOR.
I MEAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO THINK ABOUT JACKSON SQUARE AND PLACES LIKE THAT, WHERE IT'S JUST PART OF THE CITY IN ALL MANNER PLACES.
>> I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF CHARGING FOR A PERMIT, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT IT OUGHT TO BE FREE FOR ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS THAT LIVE HERE.
>> I WASN'T FINISHED EVEN THOUGH THE MAYOR GAVE READY FOR FAR AWAY.
I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION OF A BUSKER VERSUS
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A GYPSY IN TARGET PARKING LOT THAT IS PRETENDING TO PLAY THE VIOLIN.>> THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
>> WELL, THEY GET KICKED OUT OF THERE, AND THEY MOVED AT 61ST STREET.
>> WELL, BECAUSE YOU'LL FIND PEOPLE EVERY YOU SEE IN YOUR FEST PARK, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, AM I RIGHT?
>> WELL, THAT'S WHERE IT DOES GET VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE IS, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE PLAYING A VIOLIN THAT?
>> THEY GET KICKED OUT OF TARGET, AND THEY MOVED TO 61ST STREET, LIKE 61ST THEN HEARD.
>> I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT WE'RE ASKING, MAYOR BROWN, IS FOR US TO HAVE A TASK FORCE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF YOU-ALLS.
>> LET'S SOLVE THESE ISSUES FIRST. LET'S REASON THAT ONE.
>> ONE, IF YOU'RE A MUSICIAN AND YOU TAKE THE VIOLIN DOWN, AND IT KEEPS PLAYING FROM YOUR AMPLIFIED THING.
I LOVE THE STREET MUSICIANS, BUT WHEN YOU'RE A FAKE AND YOU'RE DEFRAUDING PEOPLE MONEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT.
>> WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TO THE MUSICIANS THAT THEY DON'T CONSIDER THAT BEING MUSICIAN, SO THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT.
>> WELL, I THINK, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS IF WE TURN THIS OVER TO OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL DIRECTOR AND LET THEM WORK WITH STAFF IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS?
>> ANTOINETTE, WORK ON IT AND BRING IT BACK.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU, ANTOINETTE.
>> THANKS DAVE FOR BEING HERE.
[3.H. Discussion Of United Way Of Galveston Born Learning Trails, Second Phase (Bouvier, Brown - 10 Min)]
>> 3H: DISCUSSION OF UNITED WAY OF GALVESTON BORN LEARNING TRAILS, 2ND PHASE.
>> COUNSEL MAN, WHERE ARE WE HEADING?
>> THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE OF THE.
>> BARBARA'S JUST GETTING HERE FROM THE ST. PATRICK'S DAY PUB CRAWL.
>> NOW THAT WAS A GOOD ONE, BARBARA.
>> HEY BARBARA, WEREN'T THOSE JAMISON SHOTS GREAT?[LAUGHTER]
>> I'M GOING TO PLEAD THE FIFTH.
>> THIS IS THE SECOND PHASE TO THE GALVESTON BORN LEARNING TRAILS THAT WAS DONE AT DOW PARK.
WE VOTED ON IT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO, MAYBE.
THE NEXT SITE WAS AT THE MOODY EARLY LEARNING CENTER.
THEY WENT AHEAD AND PRESENTED THIS TO THE ARTS AND CULTURAL COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THERE IS PAINTING ON SOME SIDEWALKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE FUNDING IS FROM UNITED WAY, THE LABOR AND EVERYTHING IS FROM THE UNITED WAY.
THEY HAVE DONATED ALL THIS TO THE CITY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING UP FOR A VOTE THIS AFTERNOON.
>> IT'S ITEM 11L ON OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON.
BARBARA, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?
>> JUST TO ITERATE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER SAID.
WE HAVE HAD NO ISSUES AT AD PARK, AND I DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH IT OVER AT [INAUDIBLE] .
I GO BACK A FEW YEARS, IT IS SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FEELS LIKE THE SIDEWALKS ARE OURS, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN OUR ROOM FOR APPROVAL.
THEY'RE FUNDING THIS COMPLETELY.
>> IT'S VERY POPULAR ALL THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
>> IT FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE SCHOOL AND THAT AGE GROUP, SO IT'S A PERFECT BLEND.
>> BY THE WAY, I COMMEND MIKE, WE HAVE A ORDINANCE THAT GOVERNS PAINTING OR PUTTING ART ON SIDEWALKS AND THINGS.
COUNCILMAN BOUVIER WENT TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND PRESENTED THIS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT KUDOS, BUT IT WASN'T ME.
LINDSAY WHITE WITH UNITED WAY THAT DID THAT.
>> PERFECT. WELL, THANK YOU. HABBA, THANK YOU.
>> VERY GOOD. 3A PLEASE, JANELLE.
[3.I. Discussion Of Flock Cameras And Their Use By The City Of Galveston (Robb/Brown - 15 Min)]
>> 3A, DISCUSSIONS OF BLOCK CAMERAS AND THEIR USED BY THE CITY OF GALVESTON LAST I PUT.
>> NO, I PUT THESE ON RIGHT AFTER THE LAST MEETING.
>> ALL THESE CAME IN DISTRICTS BEFORE YOU PUT THEM.
>> THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST ASKING.
>> CHIEF, GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
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>> COUNCILMAN ROB, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK THE DISCUSSION OF THE FLOCK PRIMER OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.
I THINK WE'RE NOW ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES IN THE COUNTY THAT AREN'T USING FLOCK.
THE THING THAT FIRST COMES TO MIND EVERY TIME I THINK OF FLOCK CAMERAS IS IF WE HAD HAD A FLOCK CAMERA ON THE SAN LUIS PASS, WE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THE PERSON WHO SHOT THAT BOY.
THAT CASE ISN'T SOLVED, CORRECT?
>> IT IS NOT AN INVASION OF PRIVACY.
ALL IT DOES IS TAKE A PICTURE OF A LICENSE PLATE, BUT IT IS TIED TO THE POLICE SYSTEM.
AND IF THAT IT HAPPENS, IT'S A WAY OF SOLVING CRIMES.
WE HAVE THEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN ALL THE PIRATES NEIGHBORHOODS, I THINK POINT WEST MAY BE PUTTING THEM IN.
A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS ARE PUTTING THEM IN BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE CRIMES WITH THEM.
BECAUSE IT'LL FLAG A SEX OFFENDER, IT'LL FLAG A STOLEN CAR.
IT'LL FLAG A NUMBER OF THINGS.
IT'S INTRIGUING TO ME THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE OVER THE CAUSEWAY NOW IN [INAUDIBLE], GALVESTON PARK BOARD PICKS UP ALL YOUR INFORMATION AND FOLLOWS EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING FROM YOUR CELL PHONE, AND HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS, BUT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT COULD BE USED, FLOCK, SOMETHING LIKE IT, BUT SEEMS TO ME IF EVERYONE IS USING FLOCK AND WE'RE ALREADY ACCESSING THE INFORMATION, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT FLOCK SYSTEMS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RESISTANCE ON THIS WHEN OUR CITY IS SO EASY IN A SENSE TO START WITH SAN LUIS CAUSEWAY FERRY.
GOD, JUST THINK OF THE THINGS THAT COULD ELIMINATE OR WE KNOW WE'D HAVE CAUGHT THE PERSON WHO SHOT THAT 21 YEAR OLD, 20 WHATEVER HE WAS BOY, LOOK AT HOW IT WOULD HAVE HELPED US WITH THE BEDLAM WE HAD ON SENIOR SKIP DAY WHEN RESIDENTS LITERALLY GOT TRAPPED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE SAN LUIS PASS WAS TOTALLY INUNDATED.
I GUESS I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT THIS MORE SERIOUSLY.
>> WE'RE TALKING OF SEA CHANGE, AND I WISH YOU'D STOP SAYING FLOCK CAMERAS.
>> BUT WE'RE TALKING OF SEA CHANGE GOING FROM WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO PUBLIC SURVEILLANCE SURVEILLANCE TO THE PUBLIC.
I I REALIZE THAT YOU GUYS LOOK TO CCTV AND THOSE THOSE THINGS WHEN THERE ARE CRIMES, BUT I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF WATCHING EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME TO SEE WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, IT SHOULD BE PUT TO A PUBLIC VOTE.
THE PUBLIC SHOULD GET TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AS OPPOSED TO JUST LET'S LET'S PUT THE WHOLE CITY UNDER SURVEILLANCE.
>> FIRST OFF, BUT YOU HAD NO PROBLEM WHEN YOU WERE ON THE PARK BOARD THAT THEY TRACK EVERY PHONE MOVEMENT OF ALL OF US AS TO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
WHEN YOU COME ON THE ISLAND, THEY KNOW YOU GO OVER THE CAUSEWAY.
YOU EITHER GO DOWN 61ST STREET OR BROADWAY.
THEY'RE TRACKING EVERYTHING AND THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES TRACKING IT.
IT'S BEING TRACKED BY MULTIPLE MARKETS.
THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT DO THAT, BUT THE PARK BOARD HAS USED THAT AS A MARKETING TOOL.
ALL THIS IS DOING IS CUPPING A LICENSE PLATE, A CAR.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTRANCES AND EXITS OF THE ISLAND. I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
>> WE HAVE DAVID FINLEY. DAVID.
>> THIS IS A QUESTION TO COUNCIL.
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THERE'S NO ASSUMPTION OF PRIVACY IN PUBLIC SPACES, CORRECT?I WOULD HASTEN TO ADD IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO PROPER PROCUREMENT PROCEDURES.
I RECALL READING IN THE PAPER THAT FACIAL RECOGNITION MAY BE A PART OF SOME OF THESE PACKAGES.
THAT IS PURELY IN YOUR DOMAIN.
>> WOULD THE CONSIDERATION OF THIS TYPE OF WHATEVER, REPORTING OR DATA GATHERING, WOULD IT REQUIRE ANY OTHER CHANGE IN, SAY, A CHARTER OR ANY CODE OF ORDINANCE?
>> IT WOULD NOT. IT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS AND POLICIES ON THE USE OF THE DATA BY THE POLICE.
>> CHIEF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS AND IF COUNCIL WANT TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS WHERE THE POSITIONING OF THESE CAMERAS WOULD BE?
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE INGRESS EGRESS POINTS ON THE ISLAND ARE PROBABLY THE MOST FEASIBLE PLACES FOR THE CAMERAS TO BE.
>> THEY ARE A FORCE MULTIPLIER.
WHEN YOU READ CRIME STATISTICS ABOUT GALVESTON, THEY'RE NOT APPLES TO APPLES WITH CRIME STATISTICS FOR A PLACE LIKE HITCHCOCK, BECAUSE THERE IS NO TOURISM IN HITCHCOCK.
WHAT THESE STATS DO IS THEY TAKE YOUR POPULATION AND THEN DIVIDE IT BY THE NUMBER OF CRIMES THAT OCCUR, AND SO WHILE IT MAY SEEM THAT OUR POPULOUS CRIME RATE IS HIGH, THEY DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE VISITORS THAT COME IN IN THE 8.2 MILLION, SO IT ONLY ASSESSES THAT ONLY CITIZENS/RESIDENTS ARE VICTIMS OF CRIME.
THERE'S A LOT OF FALLACY IN IT.
BUT TO HAVE INGRESS/EGRESS POINTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME HERE TO COMMIT CRIME.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT TARGET THE ISLAND SPECIFICALLY FOR ALL OF THE HOTELS, A LOT OF THE PROPERTY CRIMES ARE RECURRENT.
>> YOU DON'T FISH WITHOUT BAIT, AND VISITORS TO GALVESTON BECOME BAIT.
>> WE'VE CAUGHT RINGS OF CAR THIEVES THAT COME DOWN HERE AND THEY DROP OFF JUVENILES AND THE JUVENILES STEAL THE CAR SO THAT WHEN THEY'RE CAUGHT THEY'RE NOT DOING TIME.
THERE'S ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT OCCUR WHEN THE SECURITY GUARD BEHIND THE SAN LUIS WAS SHOT AND KILLED.
THAT YOUNG MAN THAT WAS KILLED THAT NIGHT WAS KILLED BY A GROUP THAT HAD COME HERE.
THEY WERE SPECIFICALLY TARGETING VEHICLES WITH CONSERVATIVE STICKERS OR GUN STICKERS.
ANYTHING THAT LED THEM TO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S POSSIBLY GUNS, MAGAZINES, OR AMMUNITION INSIDE OF THOSE VEHICLES AND THEY WERE ONLY BURGLARIZING THOSE VEHICLES.
WE KNOW THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL HERE AND, IF WE CAN ISOLATE THE TIMES THAT WE BELIEVE THE CRIMES OCCURRED, WE KNOW THEY HAD TO GET HERE SOMEHOW.
IF WE CAN GET A HIT ON A VEHICLE OR NARROW DOWN THE SCOPE OF OUR SUSPECTS THROUGH OUR OWN CAMERA SYSTEMS, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE CAUSEWAY, WE CAN ALSO TRACK IT TO WHERE THAT VEHICLE IS HEADING BECAUSE ALL UP AND DOWN I45, THERE ARE CAMERAS ALL OVER.
THE MOMENT YOU LEAVE THIS ISLAND, YOU'RE ON THAT FLOCK SYSTEM MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE YOU EVER MAKE IT TO HOUSTON.
>> THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. MARIE AND THEN MIKE.
>> DON'T WE ALREADY USE THE FLOCK INFORMATION? WE APPROVED THAT. WE HAVE ACCESS.
>> WE DO. WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION.
>> THAT HAS ASSISTED, I THINK THERE WAS A MURDER?
>> YES, IT ASSISTED US IN SOLVING THE CRIME OF THE 15 YEAR OLD OFF OF 28TH STREET LAST YEAR AND WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK THE VEHICLE FROM LA MARQUE WHERE THE SUSPECT LIVED.
THE FIRST FLOCK CAMERA HE HIT WAS JUST A FEW MINUTES AWAY FROM WHERE HE LIVED SO WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK THE SUSPECT TO THE ISLAND, WE WERE ABLE TO TRACK HIS DEPARTURE FROM THE ISLAND, AND IT REALLY OPENED THAT CASE UP FOR US.
FLOCK IS, THEY IDENTIFY VEHICLES.
THEY ARE VERY ADAMANT IN THAT.
THEY DO NOT TAKE FRONT IMAGES OF ANY VEHICLE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO CAPTURE A PERSON.
THEY WANT TO CAPTURE THE VEHICLE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, WE'RE IDENTIFYING VEHICLES,
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THEY'RE TRAVELING ON THE ROADWAY THAT'S LEADING US TO A SUSPECT.QUITE OFTEN THE SUSPECT ISN'T THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE, BUT IT'S GETTING US THE LEAD THAT WE NEED TO GET US THERE.
RICHARD RENNISON RECENTLY RETIRED LAST AUGUST FROM THE FBI.
HE WAS OUR LOCAL REGIONAL AREA COMMANDER FOR THE TEXAS CITY AND HOUSTON OFFICE.
HIS STATEMENT WHEN I ASKED HIM WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT FLOCK, HE SAID, IT WAS THE GREATEST TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANCEMENT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT HE'S EVER SEEN IN HIS CAREER.
>> THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. MIKE AND THEN JOHN.
>> THERE WAS A ONLINE THREAT FROM, I THINK MONTANA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THERE WAS TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE GOING TO COME TO LA MARQUE AND THEY WERE GOING TO, FOR A LACK OF THE BETTER TERMS, GO TO THE SCHOOL AND CAUSE SOME BAD ISSUES.
THEY WERE ABLE TO TRACK THAT VEHICLE AND MAKE SURE IT NEVER GOT TO LA MARQUE, AND SO NOT ONLY DOES IT PROTECT THE ISLAND, BUT I MEAN, IF THERE ARE THREATS TO THE ISLAND FROM OUTSIDE PEOPLE AND THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF THE CAR OR A LICENSE PLATE OR A PARTIAL LICENSE PLATE, THEY CAN TRACK THAT AS IT GOES OR TAKE IT THE OTHER WAY.
IF A LOVED ONE WAS KIDNAPPED OR TAKEN BY SOMEBODY, YOU CAN ALSO GET THEM BACK QUICKER.
>> HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS MAKING THIS MORE VIABLE.
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S CAMERAS, FLOCK BEING ONE OF THEM THAT ARE UP AND DOWN I45 NOW.
>> WHO INSTALLED THOSE, DIFFERENT CITIES, ISN'T IT? [OVERLAPPING] MUNICIPALITIES? YES, IT'S NOT STATE, JUST MUNICIPALITIES? I DON'T KNOW THAT THE STATE HAS ANY, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES.
>> [INAUDIBLE] HITCHCOCK, LA MARQUE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] CITY HAS 51, WITH PLANS TO DOUBLE THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
TEXAS CITY HAS 28 LA MARQUE 9, HITCHCOCK 2, DICKINSON 21, FRIENDSWOOD 21, COUNTY MUD DISTRICT HAS EIGHT, AND WITH SIX ADDITIONAL PENDING INSTALLATION RIGHT NOW.
>> DO WE NEED STATE APPROVAL TO PUT THESE IN PLACES?
>> NO. WE PUT THEM IN RIGHT AWAY AND THEY'RE SOLAR POWERED.
>> INITIAL YEARS COST US TO INSTALL SIX, BECAUSE YOU'D WANT TO PUT ONE INBOUND, ONE OUTBOUND, AT ALL THREE ENTRIES TO THE ISLAND.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 28 GRAND THE FIRST YEAR TO INSTALL IT AND THEN $18,000 A YEAR AFTER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THE CAUSEWAY YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT MULTIPLE BECAUSE OF THE MEANS.
>> THE FIRST YEAR COULD BE PROBABLY 35,000 AND DEPENDING ON IF WE CAN GO ON EXISTING POLES OR BEAR POLES AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF IFS AND BUTS ABOUT THAT.
DON IS CORRECT, THERE'S PROPER PROCUREMENT CHANNELS FOR THIS.
IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT A PARTICULAR COMPANY IS ON A STATE BI BOARD OR CO OP THAT WE CAN USE.
OF COURSE, THIS IS A MID YEAR DEAL SO THE CHIEF WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
>> WHAT ARE THE SYSTEMS? FLOCK IS ONE OF THEM OF COURSE.
>> THERE'S MULTIPLE OUT THERE WITH FLOCK BEING THE MOST READILY USED IN THE AREA.
>> DO THOSE SYSTEMS ALL TIE TOGETHER OR YOU ONLY GET FLOCK DATA FROM FLOCK CAMERAS?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. ALSO IT WOULD GIVE US THE ACCESS TO ALL OF THESE OTHER CAMERAS IN THE COUNTY AND NOT ONLY THAT, ANY OTHER CAMERAS IN THE STATE.
I'M SORRY. THE AGENCY OBTAINING THE INFORMATION HAS TO ALLOW OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR AGENCIES ACCESS IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
>> ANY OTHER CITIES THAT YOU MENTIONED OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT THOSE ARE ALL FLOCK?
>> THE OTHER THING I CAN SAY JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN USING THEM NOW I THINK IN PIRATES FOR THREE YEARS, BUT WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD SECURITY CAMERAS, THEY ARE EXTREMELY DURABLE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.
>> THIS $18,000 A YEAR OR WHATEVER NUMBER OF CAMERAS IT IS, 20-25, WHATEVER IT COST US A YEAR, THAT INCLUDES MAINTAINING THEM.
>> IF THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH A FLOCK, THEY ARE OUT THERE THE SAME DAY.
THEY'RE AMAZINGLY RESPONSIVE, BUT THEIR CAMERAS IN THIS ENVIRONMENT WORKS BETTER THAN ANY I'VE EVER SEEN.
>> I WILL TELL YOU GULF VILLAGE HAS THE JANET SYSTEM AND THAT'S MY MOTHER AND SHE CAN TELL YOU WHEN ANYBODY LEAVES OR COMES AND IF THEY PUT THEIR TRASH OUT AND ALL THOSE THINGS, SO DON'T FORGET THAT SYSTEM, CHIEF.
>> I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO WAY SYSTEM.
THESE SYSTEMS ARE TWO WAY SYSTEMS SO WHERE POLICE CAN UPLOAD A LICENSE PLATE OF A STOLEN VEHICLE AND THAT IF THAT IS CAPTURED ON A CAMERA,
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IT CAN ALERT THE LOCAL DEPARTMENT TO TELL THEM THAT THERE IS A STOLEN VEHICLE IN THE LOCATION.>> I'M PERSONALLY VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS, ESPECIALLY ON THE ENTRIES AS YOU MENTIONED IN EXITS OF OUR ISLAND.
BRIAN, LOGISTICALLY, HOW DID WE MOVE FORWARD?
>> WE'LL PURSUE IT INTERNALLY TO SEE HOW WE PROCURE AND WHAT WE DO.
THE BIGGEST THING FOR US TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW WE PAY FOR IT AND IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY, IS JUST WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM.
>> COULD YOU BRING BACK TO US AT OUR NEXT MEETING, BRIAN?
>> REPORT ON HOW THIS COULD BE DONE AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.
>> I CAN TELL YOU WINSTON SURVEILLED 24 HOURS A DAY, HE HAS IT ALL.
>> NO, I GOT MY ANSWERS FROM DON AND MAYOR.
>> VERY GOOD. JOHN, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
>> CHIEF, YOU COULD STAY ON MY NEXT SUBJECT.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. JANELLE AND BRIAN WILL WORK FOR THAT ON THE AGENDA.
>> CHIEF, HE'S GOING TO TAKE IT AND RUN WITH IT.
[3.J. Discussion Of Bonfires On The Beach (Robb/Brown - 10min)]
>> ITEM 3J, DISCUSSION OF BONFIRES ON THE BEACH.
>> WELL, I THOUGHT I'D END WITH A FIERY SUBJECT.
I'VE BEEN AROUND BRIAN WAY TOO LONG.
[OVERLAPPING] ANYWAY, BONFIRES ARE ALLOWED ON THE BEACH, AND I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A CITY AND A STATE LAW.
BUT WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE IS AN END TIME.
BONFIRES CAN BE ON THE BEACH, BUT OVER THE FIRST WEEKEND OF SPRING BREAK, THERE HAPPENED TO BE QUITE A FEW BONFIRES OUT AND ON THE BEACH AND THEY'RE ALLOWED IF THEY'RE IN A CONTAINER.
BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND DON CAN LOOK, THERE IS NO END TIME.
WE HAPPENED TO HAVE THE WEST GALVESTON PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION MEETING LAST SATURDAY AND IT WAS THE PARK BOARD.
JASON WAS THERE, KIMBERLY, EVERYONE BECAUSE THEY WERE PRESENTING.
THE POLICE WERE THERE BECAUSE THEY ALSO PRESENT AND QUITE A FEW CITIZENS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE PARK BOARD WAS [INAUDIBLE].
BECAUSE I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BONFIRE ON THE BEACH AS LONG IT'S CONTAINED.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOW ALL NIGHT LONG OR I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AFTER 11:00 PM OR 10:00 PM.
I THINK THAT AT THIS MEETING WAS AT 11:00 P.M?
>> I BELIEVE IT WAS 10:00 OR 11:00.
JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE WONDERFUL CONCIERGE SERVICES NOW ON THE ISLAND THAT WILL SET UP A BONFIRE FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR WHATNOT, THEY BRING EVERYTHING OUT.
BUT IN THE CASE OF THE FIRST WEEKEND OF SPRING BREAK, THERE WAS MULTIPLE NON CONTAINED.
THERE WERE MORE CONTAINED THAN NON CONTAINED.
BUT IT PRESENTS A PROBLEM FOR THE PARK BOARD BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S HAVING FUN HAVING A PARTY.
THE CONCIERGE DOESN'T SHOW UP TO THE NEXT MORNING, MAYBE AROUND WHATEVER XYZ TIME AND THE PARK BOARDS UP THERE, FIVE, AND THEY HAD TO PUT OUT THE FIRES THAT WERE STILL REMAINING, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE IN SUPPORT OF HAVING REASONABLE TIME FOR IT TO END.
I GUESS IN THAT CASE OR BEGIN.
>> I ASK QUESTION, WHY IS COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT PUTTING OUT FIRES?
>> IT'S THE BEACH CLEANING PEOPLE.
>> THAT'S THE COASTAL FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW BUT AS WELL, WHY?
>> WELL, AND A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS TOO IS THAT WILL CLEAN IT UP AND THEY'LL THROW IT IN A TRASH CAN.
THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THE TRASH CANS ON FIRE BECAUSE THERE'S YOU THINK IT'S OUT, BUT IT'S NOT OUT.
>> WHEN YOU SAY BONFIRE CONTAINED BONFIRE, THOSE TWO THINGS DON'T GO TOGETHER IN MY HEAD THAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING IN A FIRING OR A CAN?
>> WE SAY YOU'RE STILL CLEANING.
>> THERE'S REGULATION THAT HAS TO BE IN APPROVED, SO MANY FEET, XYZ.
>> AN ENCLOSED FIRE AS OPPOSED TO LIKE AN OPEN BALL FIRE.
BUT ANY FIRE THAT IS CONTAINED IS ACCEPTABLE IN A CAN OR IN A RING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT IT JUST CAN'T BE OUT ON THE SAND.
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>> THAT'S THE OLD DAYS WHEN KIDS WOULD TAKE RECYCLED CARDBOARD OUT ON THE BEACH.
>> WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
>> BUT THAT FIRE CHIEF, THEY COULD TELL YOU WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
>> I HEARD, THEY SAID TAKE ALL THE PALLETS FROM THE BACK OF THE SUPREME ONE.
>> MARIE, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT THAT FIRES COULD BE DONE?
>> WE ADD THAT TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE.
>> I ASK A QUESTION, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT?
>> WELL, THE POLICE WERE OUT ON THESE CASES EVERY TIME, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THEY COULD DO ABOUT IT.
>> IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO COMPLAINT.
IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND SAYS, HEY, IT'S 11 O'CLOCK AND THIS BONFIRES STILL GOING STRONG, THEN POLICE WOULD RESPOND AND SAY, HEY, YOU GOT TO PUT THE BONFIRE OUT?
>> BUT NOW THEY RESPOND THAT IT'S CONTAINED AND IT'S 03:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING.
THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT, PERIOD, BECAUSE THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW.
>> HERE'S A SITUATION I DON'T WANT TO SEE. I'M SORRY.
>> I JUST WANT TO SEE A SITUATION WHERE THE POLICE GO OUT THERE THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
THERE'S AN OPEN BONFIRE GOING AND ANDREI DEPARTMENT GETS CALLED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT TO PUT OUT A BONFIRE ON THE BEACH.
>> THE WAY OUR ORDINANCE IS, IT'S A VERY CONTAINED IT'S NOT LIKE.
>> WELL, MAYBE I'M CALLING IT A CONTAINED.
>> I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, ONE FOR THE CHIEF.
CHIEF BASED UPON THE INFORMATION YOU'VE RECEIVED TODAY REGARDING THIS, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS A TIME LIMIT?
>> I THINK THAT HONESTLY I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE ON THE WEST END, BECAUSE THEIR HOMES ARE SO CLOSE TO THE BEACH, WOULD WANT TO SLEEP AT NIGHT WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT EMBERS LANDING ON THE ROOF AND CREATING SOMETHING.
MOST OF THE TIME WE'RE NOT SO DRY THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FIRES, BUT SOMETIMES WE ARE.
>> I DON'T KNOW, CHARLIE WAS STILL HERE.
>> LET'S CHIEF, I'LL START WITH YOU AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE OTHER.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE, TO CREATE A LOT MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR US.
IT ALSO HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE MORE SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY, SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT AT ALL.
>> THE SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS BASED ON CAN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A TIME LIMIT?
>> THE CITIZENS AT THE MEETING SAID, I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER 10 OR 11.
I THINK THAT THAT'S REASONABLE.
I ALSO THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE STATE STATUTE THAT WOULD PREVENT A TIME LIMIT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE OR NOT.
>> THE CITY CODE SAYS BONFIRES ARE ALLOWED, BUT THE PERMIT ISSUED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
>> OH, I'VE NOT ISSUED ANY PERMITS EXCEPT I ISSUE ONE FOR CONNELL.
>> BUT THE BEACH LAWS READ THAT IF IT IS IN A CONTAINED, BECAUSE YOU COULD GROW ON THE BEACH AND TECHNICALLY THAT WOULD BE A FIRE.
>> THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE IN A CONTAINED.
>> IT DOESN'T APPLY WHERE THE CAMP FIRE IS ONLY CONTAINED IN A GRILL BACHI OR OTHER STOVE DEVICE.
BUT AN OPEN FIRE IS SUPPOSED TO GET A PERMIT FROM HIM.
>> A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ACTUALLY IS FOR OUR CHIEF.
CHIEF OLSON, CAN YOU COME UP FOR A SECOND? GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU.
>> PROBABLY YOU WERE TRYING TO.
>> JUST JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA RELATED TO NUMBER OF SERVICE CALLS THAT YOU GET RELATED TO THIS?
>> DURING SPRING BREAK, QUITE A FEW MORE THAN WE DO NORMALLY, BUT YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT THREE OR FOUR WEEK.
>> THREE OR FOUR A WEEK. WHAT I HEARD FROM BRIAN IS THAT CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT ISSUING ANY PERMITS FOR THESE.
I ALSO HEARD THAT WE HAVE CONCESSIONAIRES THAT ARE PUTTING THESE UP AS WELL.
WHO ARE THOSE CONCESSIONAIRES? ARE THOSE CONCESSIONAIRES REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT FROM THE CITY?
>> I THINK WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS WE HAVE A VERY OLD ORDINANCE, AND I THINK WE HAVE A DISCREPANCY IN WHAT A CONTAINED FIRE IS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD A PROLIFIC USE OF THESE FIRE PITS BACK WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS.
[03:00:01]
I THINK BACK THEN YOU HAD AN OLD SMOKEY, AND NOW YOU COULD GO TO LOWE'S OR WALMART AND BUY A FIRE PIT, AND I DON'T THINK THIS ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATED THAT.>> CAN WE COME BACK TO COUNSEL NEXT MONTH WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THIS? I LIKE THE IDEA OF CAPPING IT AT 11, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO PERMITTING CONCESSIONAIRES BECAUSE IF CONCESSIONAIRES ARE SETTING UP THESE PITS, THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR TAKING THEM DOWN AS WELL.
>> THAT I THINK THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, MAYBE WE ADDRESS THAT.
>> BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE CONCESSIONAIRE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE.
THEY KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING CHAIRS, THEY'RE BRINGING EVERYTHING, AND IF YOU LEFT THEM ON THE BEACH OVERNIGHT, THEY'D BE GONE.
>> THE ISSUE ISN'T NECESSARILY CONCESSIONAIRE.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
>> I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLEAN UP ON THE OVERALL ORDINANCE IN GENERAL, SO LET'S GET THE TWO CHIEFS TOGETHER AND WORK ON THAT.
>> I'LL GET WITH I KNOW AS FIREFIGHTER AND WE'LL GET IT BACK.
>> CHIEF, YOU SAID THAT YOU RESPOND TO THESE ABOUT THREE TIMES A WEEK.
>> WE WOULD HAVE SEEN CALL IN SO THIS BOMB FARM BEACH WILL GO OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE CONTAINER, THEY HAVE A WAY TO EXTINGUISH IT LIKE.
>> THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE ADD TO THE ORDINANCE, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE IN THE CONTAINER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT, YOU KNOW FIRE HYDRANT AND FIRE EXTINGUISHER.
WHAT PEOPLE SEE ON FIRE EXTINGUISHER STUFF.
BUT LET'S WORK ON IT AND TWEAK ON IT.
>> BRIAN, IF YOU KNOW WHERE WE'RE HEADING ON THIS.
>> IF WE WILL TARGET NEXT MONTH, I DON'T WANT TO OVERCOMMIT THESE GUYS, BUT WE'LL DO OUR BEST.
DEFINITELY WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING DONE BEFORE THE SUMMER.
>> CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ALMOST MADE IT.
>> VERY GOOD. COUNSEL, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR ITEMS ON OUR AGENDAS.
>>THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.