[1. Call Meeting To Order]
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WE WILL CALL THE 2:30 CITY OF GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP TO ORDER.
AND WE'VE ALL SIGNED IN AND ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEM.
[4.A. Discussion Of Direction From City Council To The Planning Commission Regarding Permitted Uses And Design Standards For Broadway. (Staff)]
4A. AND THAT'LL BE YOU, MISS CATHERINE.YES. WE ARE CONTINUING OUR DISCUSSION OF BROADWAY DESIGN STANDARDS AND PERMITTED USES AND JUST GENERAL CONCEPTS ABOUT BROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON MOST OF THE YEAR.
SO. THIS LIKE I SAID, WE'RE CONTINUING WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO BY COUNCIL.
WE REVIEWED CHANGES TO THE PERMITTED USES AT THE FEBRUARY 6TH WORKSHOP.
SO THE PROPOSED STANDARD CHANGES WERE PASSED OUT AT THE LAST MEETING.
WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT YOU GOT THEM TO GO.
AND THEN THEY'RE AT YOUR DESK AGAIN TODAY.
THEY'RE MOSTLY ORGANIZATION AND CLARIFICATIONS.
IT'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.
SO HERE ON THE SHEET WE'VE DONE OUR STRIKEOUTS AND OUR ADDITIONS.
AND THEN I'VE PUT A LITTLE NOTE IN THE MARGIN THAT EXPLAINS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE.
THE ONE THING THAT I THINK IS SORT OF SUBSTANTIVE IS ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT IS IF WE LOOK AT THE END OF THE SECOND PAGE, THERE IS A SECTION THAT'S TITLED PEDESTRIAN ZONE WHICH IS A LITTLE VAGUE.
SO I'VE JUST PUT INTO PARENTHESES RIGHT OF WAY TO EXPLAIN MORE CLEARLY WHAT THAT AREA IS.
AND THEN THE REQUIREMENTS HAD BEEN THAT IF YOU'RE DOING NEW CONSTRUCTION ON BROADWAY, YOU HAD TO PUT IN A NEW SIDEWALK AND A LANDSCAPING AREA, BUT IT GAVE YOU A CHOICE THAT YOU COULD DO A LANDSCAPE AREA AND A SIDEWALK OR JUST A WIDE SIDEWALK.
I THINK WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN SEEING MORE LANDSCAPING, SO I'VE OMITTED THAT CHOICE SO THAT ALL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO DO A LANDSCAPE STRIP AND A SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT LANDSCAPING, LET'S JUST SAY WE WANT LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN ALSO THE STANDARDS DIDN'T REQUIRE LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDE STREETS, ONLY ON BROADWAY.
SO I CHANGED IT TO REQUIRE LANDSCAPING ON BOTH THE SIDE STREET AND ON BROADWAY.
AND ADDED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE PLANTED IN THE PLANTING STRIP.
THIS IS ON THE THE THIRD PAGE TABLE 0.90 9.0 [INAUDIBLE].
SORRY. I ALSO, WHEN I GOT BACK FROM MY VACATION GOT A COLD.
AND SO I'M NOT THINKING AS CLEARLY AS I COULD.
TABLE 9.302 IS THE PLANTING STANDARDS.
SO WE'LL TELL YOU AS THE DEVELOPER WHAT'S REQUIRED TO BE IN YOUR PLANTING AREA.
AND THAT IS GENERALLY TREES AND SHRUBS.
AND THE TABLE WILL TELL YOU YOU CAN SUBSTITUTE PALMS, BUT WE'D RATHER SEE TREES INSTEAD OF PALMS. SO WE'RE NOTING THAT PALMS CAN BE NOT SUBSTITUTED, BUT CAN BE USED AS DECORATIVE ADDITIONS.
THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE FROM LAST WEEK, BUT THE ONE AT YOUR TABLE SHOULD BE THIS ONE.
SO THAT'S THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE.
IF THE COMMISSION LIKES, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE REST OF THEM.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THESE OTHER CHANGES, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
WELL, I THINK ALSO ELIMINATING THIS 70% OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE SHALL PROVIDE A SHADE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S. I DIDN'T ELIMINATE IT, I MOVED IT.
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OH. SO IT HAD BEEN IN THIS SECTION ABOUT SIDEWALK, BUT THAT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IT'S REALLY.TO LINE SO I MOVED IT INTO BUILDING, MASSING AND SCALE, WHICH IS G ON THE FIRST PAGE, 70% OF THE BUILDING FRONTAGE ON BROADWAY SHALL PROVIDE A SHADE STRUCTURE.
SO SAME THING WITH ALL THE WINDOWS AND SPACING.
YOU'VE JUST MOVED THOSE TO A DIFFERENT.
RIGHT BECAUSE THAT STUFF WAS AT THE END BUT IT'S ABOUT THE BUILDING.
OKAY. WOULDN'T ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SHADE AREA? WOULDN'T THAT BE APPLICABLE TO A LICENSE TO USE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE ENCROACHING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY? YES, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A LICENSE TO USE.
YES, THEY WOULD NEED TO A LICENSE TO USE TO CROSS THE PROPERTY LINE AND BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
YES. AND TYPICALLY THOSE ARE DONE THROUGH STAFF.
AND IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE DEAL, WHERE YOU'RE KIND OF GIVEN SOME OPTIONS HERE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING LANDSCAPE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS? AND SO IT HAD PROVIDED FOR OPTIONS.
SO IT WAS TAKING AWAY OPTIONS.
SO THE STANDARDS HAD SAID THAT YOU COULD DO YOU HAVE TO IMPROVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THE SIDEWALK OF 12 WE'RE OMITTING THAT OPTION.
IS THERE THAT MUCH RIGHT OF WAY THERE? THERE IS USUALLY 16FT.
16FT. OKAY, SO THAT'S PRETTY WIDE.
OKAY. SO ELIMINATING THAT WIDE SIDEWALK OPTION IN FAVOR OF EVERYBODY HAS TO DO LANDSCAPE.
UNDERSTOOD. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THAT WIDE.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM TO PUT LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
YES. IN LIEU OF GIVING THEM A BUNCH OF OPTIONS.
OKAY. LANDSCAPING DOES THAT INCLUDE PLANTERS? IT WOULD BE LANDSCAPING THAT'S IN THE GROUND.
SO IT WOULD BE AN OPEN GRASSY STRIP THAT HAS TREES AND SHRUBS IN IT.
WELL, THERE ARE PLANTING STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPE VISIBILITY AT STREET CORNERS.
SO. I'M STILL TRYING TO GET MY HANDS AROUND WHY WE'RE KICKING THE CAN WITH THIS TO BEGIN WITH.
THESE COMMENTS ARE FROM WHAT YOU'VE GATHERED FROM STAFF.
YES. THESE ARE FROM I MEAN, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS GOING THE ONLY PART OF IT THAT I'VE KIND OF TAKEN A HOLD OF IS IT'D BE NICE TO EXTEND OUR HISTORICAL STUFF THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A WHOLE OTHER.
RIGHT. SO THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER DEAL.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS FOR BROADWAY.
OKAY? THE HISTORIC STUFF IS AN OPTION.
RIGHT. SO WE'RE DOING WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE TOLD ME THAT BEFORE.
WELL, THREE, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ACHIEVED THE CHANGES OF VAPE STORES THAT WAS ASKED FOR.
SO THIS KIND OF GETS INTO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND JUST TO USE SOME EXAMPLES.
SO YOU HAVE THE TACO BELL THAT HAS MORE OF A SUBURBAN.
AND I'M JUST PICKING THAT JUST AS A NAME, MORE OF A SUBURBAN LAYOUT WHERE THE BUILDING IS SET BACK, THE DRIVE THROUGH GOES AROUND THE BACK AND YOU HAVE CARS PARKING IN THE FRONT OF IT, AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THE JACK IN THE BOX AND EVEN THE DOMINO'S WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE WHERE THOSE GUYS ARE SET
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RIGHT ON THE STREET FRONT.SO IF I HAD TO PICK ONE OF THE TWO AND IT'S JUST A PERSONAL PREFERENCE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROBABLY PREFER THE MORE SUBURBAN LOOK THAN WHERE WE'VE SEEN THIS STUFF THAT'S PUT RIGHT ON THE STREET.
AND IT JUST IT MET THE STANDARD, BUT IS IT REALLY A DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO? SO I'M THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS, ARE WE MESSING WITH ANY OF THAT STUFF OR IS ALL THAT STUFF STILL THERE WHERE? AND I'M GOING TO USE THE DOMINO'S AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THEY HAD TO HAVE AWNINGS WHERE THEY GOT THEM.
BUT YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT LIKE WHEREAS I WOULD SAY WHERE THE OLEANDER IS AND THE WAY THAT THAT WAS DONE WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND THE AWNING OUT THERE, THAT LOOKS GREAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEING BEING DONE.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, HOW DO WE MAKE IT TO WHERE THAT'S WHAT WE GET IN LIEU OF THE STUFF THAT'S PUSHED RIGHT ON THE STREET WITH THE DRIVE THRU? THE MCDONALD'S IS THE SAME WAY.
THE DRIVE THRU'S ARE RIGHT ON THE STREET.
SO. YEAH, YOU CAN'T DO THOSE ANYMORE.
OH, THERE YOU GO, THERE'S TACO BELL. SO YEAH.
SO WE'VE GOT TACO BELL. TACO BELL'S APPROVED IN 2008.
SO UNDER THE BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE, IT DOESN'T APPLY ANY LONGER.
AND YES, IT'S A VERY SUBURBAN MODEL WHERE THE BUILDING IS SET BACK.
AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY THERE'S PARKING AND LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT.
IT DOES HAVE NICE LANDSCAPING.
IT'S REALLY WELL MAINTAINED. AND THAT IS DEFINITELY A NICE THING ABOUT THE TACO BELL.
BUT THEN IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THEN WE HAVE THE MCDONALD'S.
AND SO AGAIN, THAT'S UNDER THE OLD SET OF RULES THAT NO LONGER APPLIES.
SO YOU CAN'T DO THE BROADWAY PATTERN, THIS MCDONALD'S PATTERN ANY LONGER.
SAME WITH THE NEXT ONE, I THINK.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO OH, NO, IT'S STILL IT'S FEBRUARY OF 2015.
OKAY. SO IT'S STILL UNDER THE OLD BROADWAY STANDARDS.
THEY WERE DONE IN 50 I THINK THE END OF 15.
SO WE ONLY HAVE TWO BUILDINGS BUILT UNDER OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.
EXCUSE ME. WHICH YES IS BUILT AT THE PROPERTY LINE WHICH IS REQUIRED UNDER THE STANDARDS AND IT IS ADDRESSING IT'S REQUIRED SHADING BY USING THESE AWNINGS. SO WE DID DO A NEW STANDARD THAT SAYS THAT THE SHADE STRUCTURE SHALL HAVE A WIDTH OF AT LEAST SIX FEET TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SHADE FOR PEDESTRIANS. SO WE ARE PROVIDING FOR A STANDARD THAT WON'T ALLOW FOR THESE AWNINGS.
OKAY. FAMILY DOLLAR IS NOT? NO FAMILY DOLLAR IS NOT. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE DOMINO'S? SO IF THE DOMINO'S HAD AWNINGS LIKE WE SEE AT OLEANDER, THAT BUILDING WOULD LOOK TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY.
SO WHAT I COULD SEE THAT IS A DESIGN STANDARD THAT I DON'T.
AND LOOK, IT'S A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS THAT MAY LOOK GREAT TO THE NEXT GUY.
RIGHT? BUT THEY MET THE STANDARD.
BUT WHAT WE REALLY WANT IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE OLEANDERISH.
RIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE WRITTEN THIS.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE BURGER KING AND THE SHELL AT 59TH STREET, THOSE WERE BEFORE 2015.
THOSE ARE FROM THE I THINK THE LATE AUGHTS.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN AFTER IKE, BECAUSE AFTER IKE, I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE RECENT THAN OKAY. OKAY.
ONE QUESTION ON THE WINDOWS AND SPACING.
SO, I MEAN, ALMOST ALL WINDOWS HAVE SOME KIND OF FACTORY TINT ON THEM.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THEY CAN'T BE DARKER OR ARE THESE SCREENS ON DOMINO'S OR IS THAT THE ACTUAL WINDOW COLOR? I THINK THAT'S THE WINDOW COLOR.
SO THE STANDARD SAYS NO MIRRORED TINT.
WELL MIRRORED TINTED AND REFLECTIVE GLASS WINDOWS ARE PROHIBITED.
IT'S JUST ON THE TINTING, PARTLY BECAUSE OF JUST ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND THAT WHOLE THING.
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I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT WITH ANY KIND OF CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.SO AND I KNOW THERE'S STANDARD TINTS NOW ON WINDOWS THAT YOU CAN GET VARYING DEGREES.
WE COULD JUST STRIKE TINTED AND LEAVE MIRRORED AND REFLECTIVE.
SO THE GLAZING ON THAT FACES BROADWAY ON THAT BUILDING MET THE STANDARD.
NO, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AFTER THE 15.
70. WELL, THAT SEEMS LOW, DOESN'T IT? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT DOES.
IT DOESN'T ON FIRST GLANCE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT DOES.
WHAT IS THAT? AND IT COULD BE THAT 20 SOMETHING.
IT COULD BE THAT THE PROPERTY IS ADDRESSED FROM 21ST STREET, AND WE TAKE OUR IF IF THE REGULATIONS CALL FOR SOMETHING TO BE ON THE FRONT, WE ALWAYS TAKE THAT TO BE WHERE YOUR ADDRESS IS.
WHAT IS OUR DESIGN STANDARDS SAY THEY ARE SILENT ON IT, SO IF IT DOESN'T WE WOULD.
MAYBE SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS A BROADWAY THING, MAYBE WE NEED TO.
WELL, IT DOES SAY YOUR FRONT ENTRANCE SHOULD BE ON BROADWAY HERE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW, RIGHT.
YEAH, I BET YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
I BET THAT ADDRESS IS ON 21ST STREET.
BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO 70% ON THAT SIDE.
IT LOOKS A LOT. IF IT'S 70, IT'S RIGHT AT IT.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ON THE BROADWAY SIDE.
ARE YOU DONE WITH WINDOWS? I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT.
NO. GO AHEAD. ON BUILDING, MASSING AND SCALE.
FEATURED CORNER OF [INAUDIBLE] TERMINATING TOWER ELEMENTS, DO WE? WHAT DO WE HAVE LIKE THAT CURRENTLY? I CAN'T THINK.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT MEETS THAT STANDARD.
RIGHT. ADJACENT TO IT? THAT THEY WOULD PUT SOME KIND OF ELEMENT RIGHT AT THAT CORNER.
THEY CALL A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION TO IT.
OKAY. BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM SIGNAGE.
IT'S MORE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
OKAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS OR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF ANYONE'S GOT THAT CURRENTLY, WOULD IT BE LIKE SOME OF THE GAS STATION SIGNS THAT WE SEE THAT ARE LIKE SEVEN FEET TALL? WELL, IT'S NOT SIGNAGE.
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE MORE LIKE THE SEARS BUILDING THAT GHF OWNED, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOT THAT KIND OF ELEMENT AT THE CORNER THAT IS CURVED AND IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE BUILDING STRUCTURE FROM THE BUILDING.
NO, IT WOULD BE AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
OKAY, I GOT YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
IT WAS SOMETHING SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING.
OKAY, EXEMPT FROM THE HEIGHT LIMIT AS LONG AS 25% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
OKAY. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD.
WE HAD THE CITY HAD A REQUEST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION ON BROADWAY.
THEY HAVE BEEN THERE, BEEN DETERMINED TO BE DORMANT.
NOTHING'S HAPPENED THERE IN A LONG TIME.
I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT LIKE, SONIC IS DEFINITELY A GOOD EXAMPLE.
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OKAY. BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I CAN THINK OF.AND WOULD THEY HAVE TO PUT IN NEW WINDOWS AND COMPLY WITH THESE CURRENT STANDARDS, OR COULD THEY JUST TAKE THE BUILDING AND REFIT? IT DEPENDS ON THE USE.
YEAH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
AND I THINK WHAT DOES DEPEND ON THE USE OKAY.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS.
THEY MIGHT HAVE TO CLOSE UP CURB CUTS.
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO DO.
BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO DO YOU KNOW, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PROPERTY OKAY.
GOTCHA. ALL RIGHT, ANY MORE DESIGN QUESTIONS? ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH.
IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO, THERE'S A SLIDE WITH A MAP OF BROADWAY ON IT.
YEAH. SO ONE THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THE STANDARDS ARE KEPT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS, AND, BUT THERE ARE PARTS OF BROADWAY THAT ARE ZONED RESURRECT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ARE GREEN ON THE MAP.
AND THOSE THE STANDARDS DON'T APPLY.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS ON THIS SHEET, WHICH IS THE RESURRECT REGULATIONS RESORT RECREATION, WE'VE ADDED A NOTE JUST AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS THAT FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED ON BROADWAY BOULEVARD, SEE NOTE 12 IN THE COMMERCIAL ADDENDUM FOR ADDITIONAL STANDARDS.
SO THAT WILL REFERENCE BACK TO.
SO THE ONES THAT ARE RESURRECT IN LIEU OF COMMERCIAL WOULD FALL UNDER THE BROADWAY STANDARDS.
RIGHT. SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE.
GOTCHA. THAT IF IT'S ZONED ONE OF THOSE OTHER ZONES, WE CAN STILL APPLY OUR STANDARDS.
OKAY. WHAT? GO AHEAD. SO THAT WAS ALL I HAVE FOR BROADWAY DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT OUR OPTION SHEET IF YOU'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THAT.
IS THIS OUR BAT VERSUS IS THIS OUR CARROT VERSUS CARROTS AND STICKS.
OKAY, SO WE'VE TALKED AT GREAT LENGTH ABOUT THE ISSUES OF REGULATION ON BROADWAY AND THAT IT'S CURRENTLY SO DEPENDENT ON PUBLIC PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING IT THE WAY WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND ONE THING THAT WE ALSO DID, WE TALKED ABOUT AMORTIZATION WHICH IS KIND OF A FORM OF MAKING GRANDFATHERING GO AWAY. AND WE'VE TAKEN THAT ONE OFF THE TABLE.
SO I'VE PUT DOWN HERE CONSIDERED NOT RECOMMENDED.
SO WE PUT AMORTIZATION DOWN THERE.
OKAY. SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE ONES IN THE FIRST SET.
AND THEN TO THREE NEW PROPOSALS.
TWO OF THEM COME FROM COMMISSIONER LIGHTFOOT.
IDENTIFY THE TEN WORST NON-COMPLIANT PROPERTIES.
WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR IMPROVEMENT AND OR REMEDY.
IT COULD RESULT IN PROSE, COULD RESULT IN IMPROVED PROPERTIES.
AND THEN CONS COULD BE VIEWED AS REWARDING NON-COMPLIANT OWNERS.
AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IS TO CELEBRATE BROADWAY.
AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD ONE.
BUT WE COULD TAKE THAT SAME CONCEPT INTO BROADWAY AND DECORATE FOR MAJOR HOLIDAYS, ESPECIALLY MEMORIAL DAY AND 4TH OF JULY, AND FLY FLAGS ON ALL SIDES FROM 59TH TO SEAWALL.
THOSE ARE GOOD. YEAH. AGAIN, A NEW PROGRAM THAT'S DEFINITELY A CARROT.
DEMONSTRATES CITY'S INVESTMENT IN BROADWAY.
CON MUST BE FUNDED, IMPLEMENTED AND OF COURSE, THE TEXAS JURISDICTION.
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT A CELEBRATE BROADWAY TYPE DEAL? IT TAKES FUNDING.
BUT WELL, I MEAN, IT ALL TAKES.
EVERYTHING TAKES FUNDING. BUT, I MEAN, THAT SEEMS LIKE A RELATIVELY.
WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE OF IT, BUT I DON'T I DON'T FORESEE THEM.
WE DID CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS ON BROADWAY.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S FEASIBLE.
SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
I MEAN, THAT IS A LONG STRETCH FROM 59TH TO THE SEAWALL.
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YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THE GOAL IS TO GET FROM 59TH TO BROADWAY, BUT WE GOT TO, I MEAN, TO THE SEAWALL.BUT WE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE.
EVERY OTHER STREET, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF DOING EVERY AREA 50 BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DESIGNS, BUT IT WOULD BE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU GET BUY IN FROM THE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE IN THAT AREA? THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
AND THAT SEEMS LIKE KIND OF A LOW HANGING FRUIT.
SO WE'VE DONE SOME OTHER INVESTMENTS IN DIFFERENT STREETS.
SO HOW WOULD YOU MOVE THAT BALL FORWARD? WELL, WE'LL PUT IT ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS LIST.
THERE YOU GO. THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
OH, YEAH. THERE'S SEVERAL CITIES THAT CLOSE OFF LIKE A SECTION OF A MAJOR STREET.
BROADWAY WOULD BE PERFECT FOR IT.
AND THAT'S WALKING AND BIKING.
AND THEN IT'S DONE FROM LIKE 10 TO 4 AND THAT'S IT, YOU KNOW.
BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT BROADWAY DOESN'T HAVE THAT BIKE LANE.
WELL, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE IN LINE WITH CELEBRATE BROADWAY, WHERE IT WOULD BE DESIGNATED DAY ONCE A MONTH OR SOMETHING, WHERE YOU COULD CLOSE IT OFF OR CLOSE OFF A SECTION OF IT GOING ONE WAY AND YOU'VE GOT THIS WHOLE OPEN SPACE AT 57TH STREET THAT THE COUNTY OWNS WOULD BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD STOP, OR YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE END UP AT IN FRONT OF THE JUSTICE CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.
BUT THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S CAN BE DONE ONCE A MONTH TO PROMOTE PHYSICAL ACTION.
YEAH, GO TO 54TH OR START AT 39TH OR SOMETHING.
BUT THERE'S A WAY TO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S A NICE FLAT SURFACE.
YEAH. THAT'S THOSE ARE POPULAR PROGRAMS. THEY'RE CALLED LIKE SUNDAY STREETS.
IT'S CALLED CYCLOVIA, AND IT'S.
YEAH, I'VE SEEN IT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
IT'S AMAZING. MEXICO CITY AND IT WAS GREAT, GREAT FUN.
I'VE SEEN IT IN THE NEW ENGLAND AREA.
THEY DO IT. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM IN NEW ENGLAND.
THEY DO EVERY WEEKEND THEY CLOSE IT OFF THE RESTAURANTS BRING THEIR TABLES OUT ONTO THE STREET.
THEY'RE PRETTY NICE. MICROPHONE ON.
YOU HAVE AN EMPTY LOT ON 25TH AND BROADWAY.
WELL, I THINK WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PUT THAT ON OUR RECOMMEND LIST FOR SURE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW THEY USE LIKE, WHAT WAS IT, THE LITTLE THE 5K THEY HAD THE OTHER DAY, THE 5K AND 10K ON SEAWALL.
I MEAN THAT'S THEY BLOCKED THAT OFF ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT'S ALSO A STATE ROAD, RIGHT.
SOME PARTS OF IT IS AND SOME PARTS OF IT AREN'T.
OKAY. SO IT STARTS AT FERRY ROAD UNTIL BROADWAY AND THE SEAWALL COME TOGETHER.
AND THEN IT'S THE CITY'S UNTIL 61ST STREET.
THE SEAWALL. WELL, YEAH, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, IT'S MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL.
OKAY. NO, BUT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
LIKE YOU SAY, THAT'S LOW HANGING FRUIT.
YEAH, I LIKE IT. IT'S A GOOD ONE.
ON THE DISCONTINUATION OF USE.
SO THE CODES OVER HERE ON THE SIDE WHO'S J WHO'S OH I'M SORRY. THESE ARE THE RANKINGS THAT I GOT FROM COMMISSIONER LIGHTFOOT AND COMMISSIONER LANTZ.
THEY SUBMITTED THEIR RANKINGS.
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I'M SORRY. OKAY.ME AND STEPHEN PLAYED HOOKY THAT DAY.
[LAUGHTER] WE DIDN'T KNOW Y'ALL DID GOOD.
MAKING THE REST OF US LOOK BAD.
YEAH, YEAH, IT WAS YOUR LIFE IT DID GREAT.
THEY'RE GOING TO DOCK OUR PAY.
[LAUGHTER] YEAH, GOING TO PUT US IN TIME OUT.
AND FROM 12 MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS.
BRING IT IN. YOU SAID A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING SIX MONTHS.
SIX MONTHS IS PRETTY STANDARD.
YEAH. RIGHT NOW, GRANDFATHERING LASTS FOR A YEAR.
MOST COMMUNITIES USE SIX MONTHS.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S PRETTY EASILY ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH.
IT'S JUST A TEXT AMENDMENT, RIGHT.
SO THEN OUR FAÇADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
YES, WE GOT TO START SOMEWHERE, BUT AT LEAST, I MEAN, I THINK THIS DISCONTINUATION.
I LOVE THE CELEBRATE BROADWAY DEAL.
I MEAN, I THINK THOSE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US TO SEND UP.
SO BACK TO THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION STUFF.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHEN WE GET BEYOND BECAUSE IT STOPS AT 19TH STREET.
NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? STOPS AT 19TH.
SO WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MOVE THAT BALL JUST A LITTLE BIT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO GO BITE THE WHOLE APPLE? AND I'M A BIG FAN OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'D LIKE TO GET TO 30TH STREET AND WE'RE AT 19TH STREET TODAY, IF WE COULD GET TO 25TH, THAT'S PROGRESS. WELL, WE DID THE STUDY IN 2018 FOR EXPANSION OF THE EAST END.
SO BRINGING THE EAST END FURTHER WEST AND THEN DOING A NEW DISTRICT AROUND THE 25TH STREET BROADWAY INTERSECTION SO THAT THE BASELINE WORK FOR THAT IS DONE BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF DATE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TO REVIEW IT AGAIN.
AND THEN WE WOULD IF WE WERE INTERESTED IN GOING FURTHER, WE'D HAVE TO STUDY IT.
UNDERSTOOD, I THINK THAT THE CUT OFF FOR THE TEXAS HEROES AREA WAS 27TH STREET.
SO IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN GOING FURTHER, THEN WE WOULD STUDY IT, BUT THAT'S NOT VERY FAR.
SO PROBABLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PRETTY EASILY HANDLED.
SO WOULD THAT BE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD SEND FOR COUNCIL? SO WOULD LET'S SAY THAT WE SENT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WANT TO TRY AND IMPLEMENT THE FROM THE STUDY THAT WE HAD IN 18.
THEN THEY WOULD SAY, YES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE.
THEN THAT COMES BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION FOR US TO GO THROUGH.
IT WOULD GO MORE LOGICALLY TO LANDMARK COMMISSION.
OKAY. SO THEY WOULD DO THE WORK.
WE DO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS, DO ALL OF THAT.
PROCESS AND THEN BRING IT BACK AS A CASE.
SO SOME OF THAT IS PRETTY WELL TEED UP TO BE THAT'S MOVED FORWARD IF COUNCIL WANTED TO.
YEAH. IF COUNCIL WANTED TO. YEAH THAT'S EASILY.
OKAY. THAT COULD GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
I MEAN IT'S DEFINITELY A START.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AS ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM.
I MEAN THEY'RE JUST FOR THEM TO CONSIDER.
SO WHAT THEY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG CATHERINE.
SO RIGHT NOW THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT STOPS AT 19TH STREET.
SO THEY DID A STUDY IN 2018 ABOUT EXPANDING THE DISTRICT, AND IT WENT TO 25TH STREET, RIGHT.
OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE DOWN TO MOODY MANSION.
AND SO THEY DID THE STUDY, BUT THEY NEVER MOVED IT.
OKAY. SO THE GROUNDWORK HAS BEEN DONE.
IT'S A LITTLE DATED, BUT IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY IT'S WORK THAT WE COULD USE.
SO THEY HIRED CONSULTANTS TO SURVEY THAT.
THE NORTH AND SOUTH? NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.
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SO WHEN YOU DO A DESIGNATION OF A HISTORIC DISTRICT, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES ARE CLASSIFIED AS EITHER CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT OR NON CONTRIBUTING.SO IF SOMETHING IS DETERMINED TO BE NON CONTRIBUTING, IF IT'S LIKE A GAS STATION THEN IT'S TREATED LESS RIGOROUSLY THAN A PROPERTY THAT'S CONTRIBUTING. SO THE STRICTEST STANDARDS APPLY TO THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THE NON CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES GET A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
MIC] CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY IS NOT WERE RIGHT. AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THAT FEMA STUFF, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL OF OF REGULATION AT THE STATE, BUT JUST FOR A REGULAR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. YEAH.
SO WITHIN A DISTRICT, THE BUILDINGS ARE CONTRIBUTING OR NON CONTRIBUTING.
CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT.
AND THE REASON WHY YOU'VE DESIGNATED THE DISTRICT, THE NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS JUST KIND OF GET CAUGHT UP BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS THAT ARE ARE CONTRIBUTING.
SO THEY'RE TREATED WITH A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.
THEY'RE ALLOWED A LOT MORE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.
SO LET'S JUST SAY I OWN THE HUGGY BEARS JUST TO PICK SOMETHING.
OH YEAH. BUT LET'S JUST SAY HUGGY BEARS IS IN THE OR IT'S RIGHT ON THE EDGE, I THINK.
IT'S ON THE EDGE. SO LET'S JUST SAY HUGGY BEARS IS DOWN HERE.
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE ARE PRESENTING THIS AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, HINDERING AN EXISTING BUSINESS OWNER SO THAT WE'RE NOT WE DON'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ONEROUS FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH.
AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS KIND OF BUT NOT REALLY.
WELL, HISTORIC REGULATION IS ALWAYS REACTIVE.
SO WE DON'T GO TO YOU AND SAY YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, OKAY.
HISTORIC REGULATION IS ALWAYS YOU'RE PROPOSING A CHANGE.
WE REVIEW THE CHANGE AGAINST THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND SEE IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS.
SO THE NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES, THEIR REVIEW IS NOT AS STRICT.
SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM THE SAME WAY WE LOOK AT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF I'M HUGGY BEARS, I WANT TO PUT UP A NEW SIGN.
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET A HISTORICAL DISTRICT APPROVAL, AND I WANT A 30 FOOT SIGN.
THEY'RE GOING TO GO, NO, YOU GET A 15 FOOT SIGN.
AND THAT'S VERY FACETIOUS, BUT.
BUT LET'S SAY YOU'RE HUGGY BEARS AND YOU HAVE WOOD SIDING ON THE SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING AND YOU WANT TO PUT ON HARDIE PLANK IF YOU WERE A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING, YOU PROBABLY COULDN'T DO THAT. BUT IF YOU'RE NONCONTRIBUTING, YOU PROBABLY ARE.
OKAY. OKAY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS WITH THAT IF THEY WERE INCLUDED IN THAT DISTRICT, IT WOULDN'T BE A BIG BURDEN ON THEM.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT TO ME.
RIGHT. BECAUSE THE GOAL OF HISTORIC DISTRICT IS TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC STRUCTURES.
PERFECT. OKAY. THE GOAL IS NOT TO REGULATE THE NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
OH, THE LIKE WHAT IS THAT BUSINESS? WELL, THAT NO I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT BUT THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE I WAS REALLY SPEAKING ABOUT IT USE TO BE SMOOTH TONY'S.
OKAY. SO SMOOTH TONY'S I'M ASSUMING SO THAT AREA IS NOT DESIGNATED HISTORIC.
BUT IF IT WAS AND THE ZONING ALLOWED FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AS COMMERCIAL, THEN THAT'S FINE.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE USES IS DONE BY THE BASE ZONING.
IS THERE A MINIMUM BUY IN FROM PROPERTY OWNERS? 51%. 51%.
THE LAST STUDY DID YOU HAVE 51%.
WE DIDN'T MOVE ON TO THAT SECOND STEP.
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OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE WORK THAT WE WOULD BE DOING WITH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS HAVING.THIS IS ALL PROPERTY OWNERS RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.
OKAY. YEAH. BE ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY.
WELL, THE REASON I'M ASKING BECAUSE, I MEAN, I HEAR GOING TO 25TH STREET OR IN 27TH STREET, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN EASY ASK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO 39TH STREET, GIVEN THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON BOTH SIDES OF BROADWAY.
YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO FUND A STUDY.
A NEW STUDY. SO WE HAVE THE PIECES IN PLACE TO GET TO 27TH STREET TODAY.
OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT ALL THERE.
BUT AT LEAST LET'S GET WE CAN SEND SOMETHING AT LEAST PROBABLY GET SOME ACTION ON IT.
YEAH. AND MAYBE GET THIS SOME OF IT DONE.
OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN WE COULD NOTE, YOU KNOW WE WANT TO START WITH THE 2018 STUDY.
AND THEN ALONG THE SAME THING ABOUT FUNDING MECHANISMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IS THERE ONE DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT LOOKS OUT FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FROM, FOR THINGS LIKE THIS, FOR HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, FOR COMMUNITY PROJECTS? IS IT EACH BY DEPARTMENT, BY DEPARTMENT.
IT'S DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT? OKAY. SO THERE'S NO LIKE OVERARCHING GRANTS COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY.
EACH DEPARTMENT DOES IT THEMSELVES.
SO I DO HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANTS.
WE HAVE ONE IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE COULD HOPEFULLY AVOID SOME OF THAT.
OKAY. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE AT THIS POINT YOUR CHANGES TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS CELEBRATE BROADWAY. LOOK INTO THAT.
THE DISCONTINUANCE OF USE CHANGING THAT FROM SIX MONTHS I MEAN FROM ONE YEAR TO SIX MONTHS.
AND THEN EXPANDING THE HISTORICAL DISTRICT BASED UPON THE 2018 STUDY.
DOES THAT SOUND? LIKE WHAT A DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, GUYS.
SOUNDS RIGHT TO ME. OKAY, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THIS AND BUNDLE IT ALL UP.
WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE ITEM THOUGH.
WHAT WOULD WE SAY TO SOMEBODY.
YOU'RE BUILDING IS CRAP AND YOU'RE.
[LAUGHTER] WELL, I THINK THAT CAME FROM COMMISSIONER LIGHTFOOT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT THEN IT IS A LITTLE SENSITIVE.
NO, IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT IT'S LIKE INTERVENTION.
YOU HEAR ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE, OH, MY GOD.
SO I THINK THERE IS SOME BENEFIT TO, YOU KNOW, JUST REACHING OUT ON A 1 TO 1 LEVEL AND SAYING, HEY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP YOU GET THAT FENCE DOWN? [LAUGHTER] CAN WE PICK THE STAFF PERSON WHO GOES TO DO THAT? OH, I HOPE IT'S NOT ME.
OH COME ON. WELL, THE I SEE THE CON IS THE NON-COMPLIANT OWNERS ARE BEING REWARDED AND. RIGHT.
SO THAT I CAN SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC.
AND WE COULD SAY DON'T NECESSARILY SAY THEY'RE BEING REWARDED.
I'D SAY THEY'RE BEING POINTED OUT FOR BEING WHAT THEY ARE.
WELL, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT CONFORMING, BUT THEY'RE NOT COMPLIANT.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN OR JUST NEGLECTING THE PROPERTY.
SO WOULD INSTEAD OF BEING A CARROT, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU COULD USE ENFORCEMENT WITH A NON-COMPLIANT OWNER THAT WOULD BE PALATABLE IN MOST PEOPLE.
WELL, TO DO COMPLIANCE THERE HAS TO BE A TRIGGER.
AND, YOU KNOW, FOR LOTS OF THINGS ON BROADWAY, THERE JUST ISN'T A TRIGGER.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF REDUCING THE DISCONTINUATION OF USE TIME PERIOD IS THAT YOU KNOW, IT SHORTENS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RESTART THINGS THAT ARE NON.
BUT SOMETHING LIKE A FENCE WE DON'T HAVE A TRIGGER FOR IT.
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WELL, AND I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS IN ONE OF THESE WORKSHOPS ABOUT IF LIKE A STORM KNOCKS SOMETHING DOWN AND THE FENCE IS GONE, RIGHT.WOULD THEY HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW REGULATIONS? ARE THERE EXCEPTIONS? THAT WHOLE THING, IF IT'S IF IT'S DESTROYED, THERE'S RIGHT NOW A YEAR THAT YOU COULD REBUILD IT.
OKAY. REMEMBER WE TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THAT.
YEAH SOMETHING EASY LIKE THAT.
NO. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE PUT ON THE LIST.
BUT, YEAH, CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR YOU CAN HAVE NON CONFORMING.
BUT IF THEY'RE NON COMPLIANT AND THEY'RE IN VIOLATION THEN THAT'S THERE'S A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
YEAH THERE'S COMPLIANCE IS A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
YEAH. BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE AND YOU'LL THINK LIKE OH THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
BUT THE NON CONFORMING USE IS PERMITTED.
YEAH IT'S VERY COMMON. PERFECT EXAMPLE OF NON CONFORMING BECAUSE THE WHOLE PLACE DOWN THERE IS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE WILD WEST FOR A WHILE. BUT CATHERINE DOES HAVE A VERY VALID POINT IN THAT WHEN YOU CHANGE THE DISCONTINUATION OF USE TIME FRAME.
SO NOW THAT'S SHORTENED AND IF THEY MISSED IN THE POPEYES IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO NOW THOSE GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME PLAY BY THE NEW RULES.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO WORK TO PLAY OUT.
AND I'M I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIX THAT.
OH. [LAUGHTER] LIKE WITH SOME THINGS IN THE CITY, IF YOU HAVE A FIRE OR SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE TO REBUILD IT BACK, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO REBUILD IT BACK IN COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHY ISN'T IT THAT IF SOMETHING IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE, NOT NON-CONFORMING, BUT OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS TO IT, WHY DO YOU HAVE A GRACE PERIOD? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A GRACE PERIOD.
WHY DO YOU HAVE ANY GRACE PERIOD NOT TO BRING IT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE? WELL, IF THERE.
IF THEY'RE IF IT'S NON-COMPLIANT, THEN THAT BECOMES A COMPLIANCE ISSUE.
AND THAT'S IN THE CITY MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
THAT'S THERE'S SOME FIX FOR THAT.
LIKE IT'S GRANDFATHERED, LIKE I'M SAYING.
WELL, THE NON COMPLIANCE IS NOT GRANDFATHERED BUT THE NONCONFORMING IS.
WHEN THAT GOES AWAY NOW I GOT TO CONFORM.
I CAN'T HAVE A NON CONFORMING USE AGAIN.
SO IN YOUR EXAMPLE OF LET'S SAY THE BUILDING CAUGHT ON FIRE, WHEN THEY COME BACK THEY HAVE TO BE THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE, THEY COULD, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO FROM NON CONFORMING TO A CONFORMING USE.
COMPLIANCE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
IT'S IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE REGULATION.
AND WE HAVE COMPLIANCE OFFICERS THAT GO OUT AND KNOCK ON THE DOORS.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY PLAY A LOT OF OFFENSE.
THEY DON'T GET TO PLAY MUCH DEFENSE.
NOT NON-CONFORMING, BUT NON-COMPLIANT.
THE REASON NOTHING IS DONE IS THAT NOBODY'S CALLED BECAUSE THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE DOESN'T HAVE TIME.
AND THEY'LL TELL YOU THEY DON'T HAVE TIME TO GO LOOK FOR THAT STUFF.
THEY GOT A LONG SHEET OF CALLS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN.
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SO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE THINGS, MOST LIKELY THEY'RE GOING ON AND ON BECAUSE NOBODY'S CALLED AND COMPLAINED AND IT'S VERY COMPLAINT DRIVEN. SO IF YOU WHERE YOU SEE THOSE INSTANCES, THAT'S AT LEAST THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH NON.I HAD A PROPERTY THAT WAS NON CONFORMING.
IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE BUT BECAUSE IT WAS NON CONFORMING THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD AND COULD NOT DO THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY MAKE US NON COMPLIANT. IT WAS A DISASTER BUT.
YEAH I JUST I JUST MEANT THAT SOMETIMES LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO PICK ANYBODY'S PROPERTY OUT.
BUT ANYWAY, SO SOMETIMES YOU CAN SEE PROPERTIES ON THE ISLAND THAT I KNOW ARE NOT CONFORMING NOR IN COMPLIANCE.
RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT I THINK THAT THE CITY DOESN'T KNOW THAT.
AND I SAY CITY BECAUSE I'M NOT PICKING ON THE MARSHALS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THOSE PROPERTIES KIND OF STAY THAT WAY AND FOR GOOD LITTLE PERIODS OF TIME.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT WHEN WE START THESE PROCESSES? HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT OUR CONSTITUENTS THINKING THAT THEY'RE BEING PICKED ON? THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
REALLY I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE QUESTION THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S BEEN OUR FOCUS, IS LOOKING FOR MORE POSITIVE WAYS TO TRY TO GET SOME CHANGE.
ANSWER. KIND OF NEED TO BRAINSTORM THIS.
SO I KNOW UNDER THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM, THE FLOOD POLICY, EVERYBODY HAS, IF YOU HAVE A LOSS AND YOU HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED, YOU CAN I THINK IT'S UP TO 30,000 THEY'LL GIVE SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR BUILDING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW STANDARDS.
SO HOW DOES THIS KIND OF HOW WOULD THAT PLAY? LIKE IF YOU HAD SOMEONE THAT HAD A FIRE OR A FLOOD AND THEY DO HAVE THE OPTION THROUGH THEIR INSURANCE PROGRAM TO BECOME INTO COMPLIANT OR CONFIRMING COMPLYING, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHICHEVER ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. COMPLIANCE.
SO WHAT WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE TO HAVE THEM DO THAT IF THEIR MONEY'S AVAILABLE TO THEM, RATHER THAN GO BACK AND BUILD WHAT THEY HAD BEFORE? WELL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT CONFORMING? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT FLOODPLAIN REGULATION.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER WORLD OF REGULATION.
GRANDFATHERING TYPICALLY IS FOR ZONING REGULATIONS DOESN'T APPLY TO THINGS LIKE BUILDING CODES SAFETY CODES AND FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS.
SO FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS, IF YOUR BUILDING IS DESTROYED, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION HAS TO MEET IT.
OKAY. SO YEAH I THINK JUST DOWN ONE MORE SLIDE.
SO ON APRIL 2ND WE STAFF WILL BRING FORWARD TWO TEXT AMENDMENT CASES, ONE FOR THE BROADWAY DESIGN STANDARDS AND ONE FOR THE PERMITTED USES.
WE REVIEWED PERMITTED USES A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS AGO.
AND THEN WE WILL DO AN ACTION ITEM TO FORMALIZE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.
SO I'LL TAKE THIS SHEET AND WE WILL PACKAGE IT UP FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN APRIL 25TH WILL BE A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO GET IT TO APRIL 25TH BECAUSE THE ELECTIONS COMING UP.
SO BY, BY WHEN WE GET INTO MAY, WE GET NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND RUSTY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SECOND, I FORGOT ABOUT THESE TWO CASES.
[LAUGHTER] WHAT'S THAT? WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE SECOND, I FORGOT ABOUT THESE.
OH THAT'S FINE. STEVEN CAN HANDLE ALL THAT.
STEVEN WILL BE RUNNING THE SHOW WITHOUT A PROBLEM? NO. ALL RIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, IF THAT'S IT, THEN WE WILL BE ADJOURNED.
AND WE'LL RECONVENE IN FIVE MINUTES FOR REGULAR MEETING.
VERY GOOD.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.