Feb 22, 2024 Joint Meeting of the Park Board of Trustees and the City Council

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WELL GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

GLAD TO HAVE EVERYBODY THIS MORNING HERE.

[1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

WE ARE, FIRST OF ALL, HONORED TO HAVE OUR PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES WITH US THIS MORNING.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET TOGETHER AND DISCUSS PARK BOARD ACTIVITIES.

LATER TODAY, WE'LL HAVE THE PORT WITH US.

AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PORT THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT PORT BUSINESS.

BUT TODAY IT IS 8 A.M..

I AM OFFICIALLY GOING TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL TOGETHER FOR OUR WORKSHOP.

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY, THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AND ALSO THOSE THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE WATCHING THIS TELECAST.

WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US AND WELCOME THIS MORNING.

I'M NOW GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CHAIRMAN, JASON HARDCASTLE OF THE PARK BOARD, TO OPEN THEIR MEETING.

JASON. YES, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, AND VERY GLAD TO BE HERE.

SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND [INAUDIBLE] PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEETING TO ORDER AS WELL ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 22ND, 8 A.M.

2024. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO OUR ROLL CALL.

THANK YOU. AND JANELLE, IF YOU COULD DO A ROLL CALL FOR COUNCIL, PLEASE.

MAYOR BROWN, PRESENT.

MAYOR PRO TEM COLLINS PRESENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS.

PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER FINKLEA PRESENT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB PRESENT.

VERY GOOD. WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE TOGETHER.

I'M GOING TO.

FIRST OF ALL, BEFORE WE START COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO GIVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING DIRECTIONS IF WE COULD WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THE PARK BOARD, AS WE KNOW, HERE IN JUST A SECOND ON A JOINT MEETING.

AND THEN ONCE THAT IS OVER, WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR COUNCIL WORKSHOP.

AND WITH THE CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS, WE, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CITY STAFF HERE FOR THE CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS. CITY STAFF WILL BE ARRIVING SOMEWHERE AROUND 9:00, 9:15 THIS MORNING.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ROOM IN THE 204 ROOM HERE FOR CITY STAFF, THEY WILL BE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

AND THEN ONCE WE FINISH OUR PARK BOARD MEETING, THEN THEY WILL MOVE IN HERE SO WE CAN OPEN OUR WORKSHOP THIS MORNING.

[3.A. Joint Workshop of the City Council and Park Board of Trustees (Bouvier/Brown - 1-1/2 hours)]

BUT I'D LIKE FOR JANELLE TO READ ALL SIX, BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION FROM ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD MOVE INTO THE OTHER AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THAT VERY FLUIDLY.

SO JANELLE, PLEASE READ THOSE.

OKAY. 3A JOINT WORKSHOP OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

ONE DISCUSSION OF GOALS FOR THE PARK BOARD.

TWO DISCUSSION OF OPERATIONAL BUDGET CAPS AND TIMELINES.

THREE DISCUSSION OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF SAN LUIS PASS FOUR.

DISCUSSION OF SEAWALL RAMPS FOR BABES BEACH FIVE.

DISCUSSION OF ALCOHOL SALES FOR DELLANERA PARK, AND SIX DISCUSSION OF THE STATUS OF STEWART BEACH PARK.

THE OF THESE SIX ITEMS THE FIRST TWO COUNCIL AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, ARE FROM OUR EARLIER MEETINGS WITH THE PARK BOARD WHERE WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THESE TWO ITEMS, AND WE HAD AGREED TO MOVE THESE ITEMS TO LATER IN THE YEAR, OR I SHOULD SAY, TO THE BEGINNING OF THIS FISCAL YEAR SO THAT WE COULD GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE PARK BOARD AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR 2025 BUDGET. ON THE FIRST ITEM, I SENT COUNCIL I'D SENT YOU AN EMAIL OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT GETTING YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON THE GOALS FOR THE PARK BOARD, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IF THIS MET YOUR APPROVAL COUNCIL.

AND JASON, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS OPEN THIS DISCUSSION WHERE WE WOULD MOVE AROUND AND HAVE EACH COUNCIL MEMBER STATE THEIR GOALS FOR THE PARK BOARD, AND THEN WE COULD OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

I WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT.

I'D LIKE TO START THIS OFF, IF I COULD, AND MY GOALS FOR THE PARK BOARD FOR THIS COMING YEAR AND LOOKING FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE HERE.

NUMBER ONE, I THINK THESE ARE TWO.

I HAVE TWO ITEMS, AND I THINK THE PARK BOARD IS ALREADY WORKING ON THESE, BUT I THOUGHT I'D MENTION THEM, ONE, I'D LIKE TO PERSONALLY SEE.

THE PARK BOARD PUT A LOT OF EMPHASIS THIS COMING YEAR ON ECO TOURISM, SPORTS TOURISM, CULTURAL

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AND I LEAVE THE LAST ONE THERE.

MEDICAL TOURISM.

A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE TRIED TO OPEN THAT DISCUSSION WITH UTMB.

I THINK THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE COULD REALLY EXPAND INTO WITH THE NEW ADMINISTRATION THERE AT UTMB AND SO FORTH.

IT MAY BE, I THINK, GOOD TIMING TO OPEN THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN.

THE SECOND GOAL I HAVE IS I THINK WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THIS.

I'D LIKE FOR THE PARK BOARD TO WORK WITH ANTOINETTE LYNCH HERE AT THE CITY TO PUT TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND THE TRUSTEES TO REVIEW ON THE EXPENDITURE OF HOT FUNDS, SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING HOT FUNDS IN THE SUPPORT OF EVENTS AND LOOKING AT WHO WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THE PROMOTIONAL FUNDING OF HOT AND WHO WOULD BE INVOLVED WITH THE ACTUAL EVENT FUNDING.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO LOOK, I KNOW AT THE CITY HERE WE HAVE AN ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

WE HAVE A CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND I KNOW THE PARK BOARD HELPS FUND EVENTS ALSO.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO COME TOGETHER AND SEE IF WE CAN COME TOGETHER WITH A COMBINED POLICY ON HOW THESE HOT FUNDS ARE EXPENDED AND WHO EXPEND WHO IS INVOLVED WITH THE ALLOCATION OF FUNDS.

THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT COUNCILMAN COLLINS HAS CHAMPIONED FOR QUITE A WHILE HERE, AND I THINK IT HAS QUITE A BIT OF MERIT TO LOOK AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. THOSE ARE MY TWO GOALS.

I'M GOING TO MOVE TO MY LEFT, COUNCILMAN FINKLEA.

THANK YOU MAYOR. I'VE GOT TWO GOALS THAT I'D LIKE TO REALLY TAKE UNDER CONSIDERATION, ONE SHOULD NOT BE A SURPRISE, IS RELATED TO THE MANAGEMENT AND ENFORCEMENT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.

WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE SOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT ONLINE, WE'RE GOING TO BE GATHERING DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME STRENGTH PUT AROUND THE MAKING SURE THAT THAT DATA IS CLEAR AND CONCISE, REPORTED REGULARLY, AND THAT WE CAN USE THAT FOR DEVELOPMENT OF IMPROVEMENTS IN THE MANAGEMENT PROCESS AS WELL AS FOR IMPROVING EXISTING ENFORCEMENT.

THAT COMES FROM THE CITY SIDE.

THE SECOND ONE IS ALSO RELATED TO THE MAYOR'S POINT ON HOT FUNDS.

AND IT IS A DISCUSSION THAT I'VE HAD WITH GPD RELATED TO THE ENFORCEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH CRIMES THAT ARE BEING COMMITTED BY VISITORS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ARE THEY SPENDING THEIR MONEY, WHERE ARE WE SPENDING GPD TIME? IS IT ENFORCEMENT RELATED TO CRIMES COMMITTED BY RESIDENTS OR CRIMES COMMITTED BY VISITORS? DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT IT'S AN AREA THAT I'LL BE LOOKING INTO THIS YEAR.

AND SO MY PURPOSE FOR THAT IS, IS THAT IF IS FOR HOW DO WE BALANCE THE EXPENDITURE OF HOT FUNDS FOR THE PROTECTION OF OUR CITIZENS AND AS WELL AS OUR VISITORS? SO THOSE ARE MY TWO OBJECTIVES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MAYOR. YEAH. I WOULD ECHO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE CONTINUED COOPERATION BETWEEN CVB AND THE CITY ARTS.

I THINK THAT RELATIONSHIP IS GOING VERY WELL.

I HAVE TO CONGRATULATE ANTOINETTE LYNCH AND TONY LYLE.

THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER VERY WELL.

AND I KNOW TONY'S TONY IS A MEMBER, STANDING MEMBER OF OUR CULTURAL ARTS COMMITTEE.

AND SO SO WE HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION GOING THERE.

I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO DEVELOP THAT, TO GO FORWARD WITH A SINGLE EFFORT.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN EVENTS.

I HAVE SOME INTEREST IN SEEING THE CITY ENGAGE IN EVENTS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DUPLICATE THAT EFFORT BECAUSE CURRENTLY WE ARE FUNDING PUBLIC ART.

LATER TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE PUBLIC ART SECTOR.

BUT I THINK YOUR YOUR CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN EVENTS AND MANAGEMENT EVENTS AND SO FORTH, AND DEVELOPMENT OF OFF ISLAND EVENTS FOR BETTERMENT OF THE ISLAND IS KEY.

I'D ALSO, IN THAT SAME VEIN, LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE COOPERATION ON DOWNTOWN LIGHTING AND HOLIDAY DECORATIONS.

YOU KNOW, WE COOPERATED ON THE LIGHTING OF 25TH STREET.

THAT HAS BEEN VERY POPULAR[INAUDIBLE].

EVERY YEAR THE PARK BOARD STAFF HELPS THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP WE PUT UP THE CHRISTMAS TREE AND THE LIGHTING AND THINGS DOWN THERE.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE THAT IS VERY WELCOME, BOTH FOR VISITORS AND FOR RESIDENTS.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE AND DEVELOP IN THAT VEIN.

AND THE THIRD THING THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS MAXIMIZING PARK REVENUE AND WHAT WE CAN FLOW INTO CITY.

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YOU KNOW WE LOWER THE TAX RATE EVERY YEAR.

BUT BECAUSE OF INCREASED VALUATIONS TAXES ARE GOING UP.

SO THE MORE WE CAN LOWER THE TAX RATE, THE GREATER THE BENEFIT TO RESIDENTS.

AND WE'RE FINDING NEW WAYS OVER THE LAST YEAR TO ENHANCE GENERAL FUND REVENUES.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE AN INCREASED EMPHASIS ON GETTING GENERAL FUND REVENUE OUT OF THE PARKS MANAGED BY THE PARK BOARD INTO THE GENERAL FUND.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI.

I THINK MY, MY NUMBER ONE GOAL WOULD BE TO FINALLY DO SOMETHING TO STEWART BEACH, AND THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY THE GEM OF Y'ALL'S MANAGEMENT.

AND IT COULD BE SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CONTINUING TO KIND OF JUST DRAG ON OUT THERE.

WE HAD A DEADLINE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE SET FOR THE FIRST YEAR TO GET THE PAVILION DOWN.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT.

SO THINGS ARE PROGRESSING DOWN THERE, BUT JUST AT A VERY SLOW PACE.

SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ACTION HAPPEN DOWN THERE.

SEE MORE THOUGHT ON WHAT THAT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BECOME.

AND JUST SEE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL THAT IS THERE TO ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION.

I MEAN, I THINK ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP LIGHTING.

I THINK THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.

25TH STREET LOOKS GREAT.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT IN MY DISTRICT ON 61ST STREET, ANOTHER MAIN CORRIDOR IN TOWN, POSSIBLY EVEN AS YOU COME ON THE ISLAND, 61ST STREET WE NEED TO GET SOME TREES THERE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, PUT LIGHTS IN THEM AND THEN AND THEN DAVID MENTIONED TOO, YOU KNOW, HOT TAX REVENUE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO OFFSET THE GENERAL FUND.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BECOME MORE AND MORE CREATIVE ON WAYS TO BRING IN REVENUE TO THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO FUND PUBLIC SAFETY.

IT'S OUR BIGGEST EXPENSE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUALLY THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP.

AND SO WE NEED TO FIND WAYS TO BRING IN REVENUE OFF OF THE TOURISTS THAT PUBLIC SAFETY SUPPORTS TO HELP FUND THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY GOALS.

THANK YOU JOHN. APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, I JUST WANT TO START OUT AND I, I THINK THIS IS WEIRD THAT WE'RE HAVING A MEETING TO SET THE PARK BOARD'S GOAL, SO I JUST GOALS.

I JUST WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THAT I THINK IT WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE FOR THE PARK BOARD TO COME TELL US WHAT THEIR GOALS.

I MEAN, TO ME, THIS IS MICROMANAGING IN A SENSE.

BUT TO THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THE GOALS FOR THE PARK BOARD, WHICH I WOULD HAVE RATHER HEARD YOUR GOALS FIRST THAN TELLING YOU WHAT WE THINK YOUR GOAL SHOULD BE.

BUT ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS, AS ALWAYS, IS SAND AND SAND ON THE BEACH AND WORKING TOGETHER FOR THAT.

AND WE HAD A FACT FINDING DISCUSSION, MEETING SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER ON.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE PARK BOARD STAFF DECIDED NOT TO ATTEND.

THAT DOESN'T THAT SHOWS ME THERE ISN'T AN EFFORT TO WORK TOGETHER.

THIS WAS PURELY A FACT FINDING MEETING, TALKING ABOUT THE BENEFICIAL USE OF DREDGE WHERE IT WOULD BEST BENEFIT THE BEACH.

AND I THINK IT WAS SAD THAT THEY HAD INITIALLY COMMITTED TO THE MEETING AND THEN THEY DECIDED NOT TO COME.

SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT.

BUT I DO THINK BEACHES ARE SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WELL TOGETHER ON.

YOU ALL CERTAINLY ARE THE EXPERTS OF THE [INAUDIBLE] APPLICATIONS.

I THINK WE NEED TO THINK OF BOTH OUR CITIZENS AND THE TOURISTS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEACHES, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE SO MANY BEACHES AS YOU GO PAST THE SEAWALL THAT ARE IN JEOPARDY.

AND WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME NOURISHMENTS COMING UP THAT 7 TO 13 MILE, BUT HAVE YOU I MEAN, I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN TO

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THAT LAST NOURISHMENT IS JUST ABOUT HISTORY AND NOT SLOUGHING OFF.

SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE ANSWER IF WE COULD GET THE BENEFICIAL USE OF DREDGE TO THE END OF THE SEAWALL TO GET IT IN THAT AREA.

WE ALL KNOW UNDERNEATH DELLANERA PARK IS SOME CONTAMINATED OIL MATERIAL.

SO THAT IS CERTAINLY AN AREA THAT WE NEVER WANT TO BREACH.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CONSCIOUS OF THAT.

AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I KNOW I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARK BOARD ADVERTISING IN HUB AIRPORTS.

I CERTAINLY SEE ALL THE OTHER COASTAL CITIES IN TEXAS THAT HAVE HUB AIRPORTS.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HOUSTON AIRPORTS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT OTHER LARGE HUBS.

I KNOW THAT CAN BE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ATTRACT THE, THE THE TRAVELER THAT COMES IN AND STAYS MULTIPLE NIGHTS IN A HOTEL OR A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

BUT OBVIOUSLY BRINGING IN TOURISTS HAS NOT BEEN AN ISSUE WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR HOT TAX AND HOW IT'S RISEN.

BUT YOU DO HEAR PEOPLE COMMENTING ABOUT STILL HAVING TOO MANY DAY TRIPPERS.

SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK, LOOK AT AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE EVER REALLY APPROACHED THAT.

AND PEOPLE WHO ARE FLYING THROUGH AIRPORTS, YOU CAN'T HELP BUT READ WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE BORED.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO TARGET A LITTLE MORE ON THAT.

THANK YOU MARIE. APPRECIATE IT SHARON.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE.

I'M GOING TO SIMPLY JUST ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR BASICALLY SAID.

AND I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS IMPROVEMENT IN SOFTWARE DOING BETTER, YOUR SHORT TERM RENTALS, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO FOR ME THAT'S NOT A GOAL.

BUT I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO TIGHTEN THAT UP FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

SO AND THE IDEA OF OFFSETTING THE GENERAL FUND WAS ALWAYS, ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

APPRECIATE YOU MUCH.

THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER.

THANKS, MAYOR. SO THE GOALS I HAVE FOR THE PARK BOARD THIS YEAR.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE PARK BOARD AND THE PORT TO WORK ON CRUISERS TO STAY AT LEAST TWO NIGHTS IN GALVESTON, DAY BEFORE, DAY AFTER, A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE, A COUPLE DAYS AFTER.

THE SECOND TO COMPLETE THE INTERLOCAL WITH THE CITY OF GALVESTON FOR 2024.

AND THE THIRD IS TARGETING HIGH END TOURISTS.

SOMEBODY THAT NOT DRIVING LIKES TO GO OUT TO EAT INSTEAD OF STAYING IN THE AIRBNB AND COOKING, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO EXPLORE GALVESTON AS FAR AS THE ATTRACTIONS AND THINGS AND SPEND THE MONEY TO BE HERE.

SORT OF LIKE AN INCREASING THE SPENDING PER.

YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT.

LIKE SO AT THE RESTAURANT.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, COST PER VISITOR WAS $7.50.

I WANT TO INCREASE IT TO, LIKE, $11.50.

I KNOW BECAUSE IT IS INTRIGUING.

SO DURING MARDI GRAS AND SECOND WEEKEND OF MARDI GRAS, OUR HOUSE, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION INTERNALLY, AND THERE WAS A MOMENT WHERE I TRULY QUESTIONED MY SANITY ABOUT WHY WE WERE STAYING THERE.

AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL SEE IF I COULD GET A HOTEL OR A SHORT TERM RENTAL, AT LEAST FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS EVEN IF IT WAS MARDI GRAS WEEKEND, AND IT WAS PRETTY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT TOOK DOGS.

BUT I COULD HAVE GOTTEN A HOTEL.

AND THAT SORT OF REALLY SURPRISED ME.

EVEN THE HILTON.

I COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE HILTON [INAUDIBLE].

BUT I AGREE WITH MIKE.

IT'S IT'S THE DEEPER A DEEPER POCKET.

IT'S IT'S A TOURIST.

AND THEY COULD BE I MEAN, WE USE SHORT TERM RENTALS WHEN WE TRAVEL AND EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A KITCHEN INSIDE FOR BREAKFAST, YOU'RE GOING TO RESTAURANT, RIGHT.

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YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE DONE IS GONE AROUND AND GIVEN GOALS.

AT OUR LAST MEETING, THE PARK BOARD IS SETTING UP THEIR GOALS FOR THE 25 BUDGET.

AND SO THEY ASKED TO GET OUR INPUTS SO THAT THAT WOULD HELP GUIDE THEM AS THEY GO THROUGH THEIR DELIBERATIONS AND PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR GOALS IN THAT BUDGET. NOW THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT I THINK ON THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, IT'S A REAL DISCONNECT HAVING THE PARK BOARD REGISTER THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND HAVING THE CITY POLICE THE SHORT TRIP RENTALS.

AND I THINK AS LONG AS THAT'S IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, WE WILL HAVE A DISCONNECT.

AND I'LL USE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF BIKERS WEEKEND, WHICH I SUPPORT, THE SHORT TERM, THE LONESTAR BIKE RALLY, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT.

BUT I THINK OUR SHORT TERM RENTAL HOTLINE HAD 30 COMPLAINTS.

I PERSONALLY HAD 100 COMPLAINTS.

SO THERE'S THERE'S A DISCONNECT.

IT'S LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENFORCING ARE OVER HERE.

THE PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE INFORMATION ARE OVER HERE, PEOPLE TELL ME THEY CALL THIS LINE, NOTHING EVER HAPPENS.

AND SO THEY HAVE TO GO AGAIN TO THE POLICE.

WE'RE ALREADY OVERBURDENED, ESPECIALLY ON BIKER WEEKEND.

BUT I QUESTION TO ME THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER IN ONE LOCATION VERSUS POLICING HERE, INFORMATION HERE, WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE A DISCONNECT.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

NOW THAT WE'VE HEARD OUR SIDE OF THIS JASON, I OPEN IT UP TO ANY COMMENTS YOU OR THE TRUSTEES MAY HAVE.

SURE. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I APPRECIATE GETTING THIS DIRECTION UP FRONT, ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR, AND WANT TO EXTEND MY GRATITUDE FOR ALL OF US GETTING TOGETHER BECAUSE I KNOW DURING OUR, OUR PREVIOUS JOINT MEETINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US TO GET THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL OUT FRONT.

AND IT'S EARLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE YEAR SO WE COULD START PREPARING OUR BUDGET, WHICH WILL GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM AS WELL.

BUT PART OF BUDGET PREPARATION IS KNOWING HOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

AND I HAVE A LOT OF GOOD NEWS, BECAUSE I DO AM AWARE OF WORK THAT IS GOING ON WITH MOST OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE INCREASING THE HERITAGE TOURISM, MEDICAL TOURISM, SPORTS TOURISM ESPECIALLY THE CULTURAL ARTS COLLABORATION TOO.

I KNOW THAT BEACH NOURISHMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AS WELL, AND IMPROVING THE MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT BOTH TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS ENJOY AS WELL AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO GENERATE REVENUE AT THE PARKS FOR INSTANCE. SO WHAT WE'LL SEE LATER IN THIS MEETING IS A REPORT BACK ON SOME OF THE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY GIVEN US.

AND WE'RE GOING TO SHOW PROGRESS ON THESE LATER FOUR ITEMS. AND THEN I ANTICIPATE IN FUTURE MEETINGS, WHEN WE RETURN, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE UPDATES ON ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU JUST GAVE US NOW, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO US TO GET THIS CLEAR DIRECTION AND THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE TO OUR STAFF WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO EXECUTE.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

AND IF ANY OF THE OTHER TRUSTEES HAVE ANY COMMENTS, BILL.

A COUPLE OF THEM MARIE I, I HEARD YOUR COMMENT ABOUT WEIRD FOR COUNCIL TO SET THE GOALS AND INITIALLY I THOUGHT I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT ONE.

BUT AS I THINK ABOUT IT, I THINK THE GUIDANCE PRIOR TO US SPENDING A WHOLE LOT OF TIME SETTING GOALS IS GREAT.

AND YOU CERTAINLY ARE GENEROUS WITH GIVING THAT TO US.

SO BUT I DO I DO AS A TRUSTEE APPRECIATE THAT.

MAYOR I DO HAVE ONE AREA YOU MENTIONED, AND THAT IS WORK ON WORK ON EVENTS AND PROMOTING EVENTS THROUGH HOT TAX FUND.

EXCUSE ME. I HAVE SOME CONFUSION IN MY MIND AS TO WHAT COUNCIL WANTS US TO PROMOTE.

I SEEM TO RECALL HEARING AT ONE MEETING THAT THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING CERTAIN FUNDS ON ANYTHING BUT ADVERTISING.

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SO I, I THINK SOME CLARITY AND THIS MAY INVOLVE LEGAL COUNSEL ALSO, BUT SOME CLARITY ON, ON WHAT SPECIFICALLY WE SHOULD BE DOING.

SHOULD WE ONLY BE ADVERTISING? SHOULD WE BE SPONSORING THE BIKER RALLY INSTEAD OF SOME INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR? I'M NOT PROMOTING THAT.

I'M JUST GIVING EXAMPLES.

I DON'T THINK WE WANT THE BIKER RALLY BACK, BUT OR MARDI GRAS.

BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I HAVE A QUESTION IN MY MIND AS TO WHAT COUNCIL SEES AS THE OVERARCHING MISSION OF THE PARK BOARD. I KNOW DAVID HAS A COMMENT, AND I'M GOING TO LET HIM KIND OF EXPAND, BUT ALL THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK WHAT YOU RELAYED IS THE REASON THAT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER ON A POLICY THAT GOVERNS THIS.

AND ANTOINETTE LYNCH, I THINK, HAS BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF TO A CERTAIN EXTENT ALREADY ON THIS BILL, COMING TOGETHER TO TRY TO CLARIFY SOME OF THESE AREAS.

DAVID. YEAH, BILL, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I HAD THIS CONVERSATION MONTHS AGO WITH KIMBERLY [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT THE ABOUT EVENTS THAT THAT WE AND THEN TONY'S VERY CLEAR ON WHAT HE THINKS ACTIVATION MEANS IN A BRAND AND ADVERTISING FROM FROM A BRAND AND ADVERTISING POINT OF VIEW. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MEDICAL TOURISM OR ECONOMIC OR HISTORICAL TOURISM, THOSE I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CVB IS WORKING ON.

YOU KNOW, THEY ARE OF INTEREST TO US, AND WE WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY'RE OF INTEREST TO US.

BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CVBS DEEP, DEEP INTO INTO WORKING ON THE CONVERSATION, AS I RECALL THAT I HAD WITH KIMBERLY ABOUT EVENTS, IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO PROMOTING LOCAL EVENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S THE CITY'S JOB.

BUT WHEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OFF ISLAND GENERATED EVENTS.

THEY'RE LIKE CONVENTIONS.

THE CONVENTION CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE A LOT OF CHEER COMPETITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE GREAT. THEY'RE FAMILY EVENTS.

THEY'RE THEY'RE NON-DISRUPTIVE.

THEY BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE DOWN, YOU KNOW? BUT THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S ROLE TO PROMOTE THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GENERATED AND ORIGINATES OFF ISLAND.

AND THAT THE CAUSEWAY IS KIND OF THE DIVIDING LINE IN MY MIND THAT THAT IF THIS IS AN EVENT, AIA SANDCASTLE WAS ALSO A GOOD EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, IT IMPACTS THE CITY, BUT THAT'S GENERATED ELSEWHERE.

THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER ANOTHER GROUP THAT WANTS TO COME TO GALVESTON.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S CVBS ROLE TO TO INTERACT WITH THAT.

THAT'S THE CITY.

IT'S NOT THE CITY'S ROLE TO GO TO THEM AND, AND TALK ABOUT FUNDING OR EVENTS OR, YOU KNOW, THE PROCEDURES AND THAT KIND OF THING.

THAT'S CVBS ROLE. THAT'S THEIR OPERATIONS ROLE, EVEN.

BUT SO THAT'S MY, MY THE DISTINCTION I MAKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EVENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE GENERATED OFF ISLAND, THAT CVB CAN BRING ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE ISLAND [INAUDIBLE].

AM I BEING CLEAR ABOUT THAT? YES, THAT'S THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT AS WELL, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH PARK BOARD STAFF TOO THAT, THERE'S AND I MAYBE IT WOULD BE GREAT TO FORMALIZE IT WITH A CLEAR DOCUMENT ON ON WHAT IS PROMOTED BY WHO.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT I SEE IT IS IF IT'S A GALVESTON CULTURAL EVENT THAT CELEBRATING THE COMMUNITY OF GALVESTON AS WELL, THAT SEEMS TO BE A CITY RELATED PROMOTED EVENT, AND THEN BRINGING IN PEOPLE THAT WILL PUT HEADS IN BEDS AT THE CONVENTION CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CVB CONTINUES TO DO.

AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, I DON'T THINK THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND OUR ROLES HERE JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR AND TO CLARIFY MORE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BILL, THAT WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT, AND BOTH OF THESE ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE HOT TAX LAW.

THE CITY HAS AN ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

WE ALLOCATE FUNDS TO ORGANIZATIONS, AND IT'S FOR PROMOTION OF THE EVENT.

I THINK THE PARK BOARD, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, YOU ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR PROMOTION OF EVENTS AND YOU ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR THE ACTUAL EVENT ITSELF, NOT PROMOTION, BUT PAYING FOR A ENTERTAINER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WE NEED TO BE I, WE ARE KIND OF DOING THE SAME THING HERE AT THE CITY, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT THAT THE PARK BOARD'S DOING WHEN IT COMES TO PROMOTIONS. IS THAT A IS THAT A VIABLE WAY OF DOING THAT, OR SHOULD WE PUT ALL OF THE PROMOTIONAL FUNDING IN ONE AREA AND ALL OF THE EVENT FUNDING IN ANOTHER AREA? THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, I THINK, CLARIFY HERE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE CITY, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, AND THE PARK BOARD IS KIND OF

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WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS THAT GO TO THE PARK BOARD, GETS FUNDS, THEN COMES TO THE CITY AND GETS FUNDS.

WOULD IT BE MORE EFFICIENT TO HAVE THEM GO TO ONE PLACE IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PROMOTIONAL OR EVENT FUNDING? SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL NEED TO SORT OUT ON THAT.

AND THEN I THINK THAT THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER GOOD POINT WHERE THERE WAS SOME AMBIGUITY AS WELL.

IN IN MY MIND WAS THE WAYFINDING PROJECT.

AND MAYBE IF WE COULD PUT TOGETHER HOW THAT IS DEFINED AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES AS WELL FOR FUTURE PROJECTS, BECAUSE THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT THE REASON I SAY IT WAS AMBIGUOUS WAS BECAUSE IT WAS A COMMUNITY WIDE PROJECT AS WELL, BUT IT WAS TO BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS TOURISTS, TOO.

AND PERHAPS IN THE SAME TYPE OF YOU KNOW, FORMALIZING PROCESSES AND EVERYTHING.

WE CAN LOOK AND SEE WHAT DEFINES THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE THAT ARE COMMUNITY WIDE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN USE HOT FOR AS WELL.

SOUNDS GOOD. IF THERE'S NOT ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO NUMBER TWO.

DOES THAT MEET YOUR APPROVAL, JASON? YES. NUMBER TWO IS THE DISCUSSION OF OPERATIONAL BUDGET CAPS AND TIMELINES.

THIS IS A TOPIC THAT WE HAD STARTED A DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL AT BEFORE THE APPROVAL OF THE 24 BUDGET FOR THE PARK BOARD. AND WE HAD AGREED AT THAT TIME THAT WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK AND OPEN THAT DISCUSSION UP FOR 25.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT OPERATIONAL CAPS I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE TIMELINES.

WE HAVE A TIMELINE FORMAT NOW, IS THAT RIGHT, JASON, THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING, GETTING YOUR BUDGET AT A CERTAIN TIME TO THE CITY? YES OUR GOAL IS AUGUST 1ST REMAINS AUGUST 1ST TO GET THAT BUDGET OVER TO THE CITY, AND OUR TEAM BEGINS WORKING ON THIS, PROBABLY AFTER THIS MEETING, HONESTLY.

BUT THROUGH COMMITTEES, THROUGH STAFF AND COMMITTEES WILL BEGIN IN IN MARCH.

IN MARCH. OKAY.

AND WHEN YOU BRING YOUR BUDGET IN AUGUST, THAT WILL BE NOT ONLY YOUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, IT'LL BE YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET AND ALSO ANY SPECIAL PROJECTS.

CORRECT. YES.

OKAY. I ASSUME THAT TIMELINE IS WORKABLE FOR THE PARK BOARD, AND I ASSUME THAT IT IS FOR THE CITY BECAUSE WE HELP ESTABLISH THAT.

OKAY. THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET CAPS . SHEILA IS GIVING ME A THUMBS UP.

WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS, BUT, YES, SHE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BUDGET, I MEAN, THAT TIMELINE THERE.

ALL RIGHT BUDGET CAPS.

ALL RIGHT. THIS WAS I GUESS WE COULD GET INTO THIS IN A DIFFERENT IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

BUT WHAT THIS IS, IN MY MIND, IT WAS SETTING A CAP ON THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET FOR THE PARK BOARD, AND WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY FOLLOWING THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE OF BUDGET THAT THE CITY WOULD BE FOLLOWING.

I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

ANY JASON, FROM YOUR STANDPOINT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR? NO QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT I'LL REITERATE MY POSITION THAT I'D ASK THE HESITATE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, CAPS THAT COULD BE BURDENSOME, THAT I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC TOWARDS THE CITY HAVING TO FACE AS WELL.

JUST BECAUSE OUR REVENUES ARE AREN'T QUITE AS PREDICTABLE AS WELL.

WE ARE SEEING OUR REVENUES COME IN NOW AT HISTORICALLY HIGH LEVELS.

BUT HOWEVER WE ARE SEEING IT START TO PLATEAU AND WE THINK THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE PEAKED AS WELL.

IT SEEMS TO BE THE CONSENSUS.

AND YOU KNOW, WE NEVER KNOW WHEN AN EVENT MAY OCCUR THAT COULD CAUSE THOSE REVENUES TO DIP DRASTICALLY.

SO WE WE DO TAKE OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES VERY SERIOUSLY.

WE ARE NOT IN MY OPINION, SPENDING EXTRAVAGANTLY OR RECKLESSLY EITHER.

BUT WE ARE HERE TO LISTEN AND TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBERS THOUGHTS ON THIS? JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A CAN OF WORMS. I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, DIG TOO DEEP INTO HERE.

BUT ONE OF THE AREAS I DON'T WANT TO SAY CONTENTION, BUT DISAGREEMENT IN DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOT CONTRACT THIS LAST

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THE AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

I THINK OUR POINT OF VIEW WAS THAT BURDEN CANNOT FALL ON THE BACK, ON THE CITY, BACK ON THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY, THAT THAT THAT WE'RE ALL EXPECTED TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS.

BUT IF IF SALES TAX FALLS, IF HOT TAX FALLS DRAMATICALLY, SALES TAX IS PROBABLY GOING WITH IT BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LACK OF VISITORS, YOU KNOW.

AND SO SO THERE WILL BE CUTS AND, AND BELT TIGHTENING THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN AS THE CITY I THINK A SIMILAR YOU JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED TO DO THE SIMILAR THING AT THE PARK BOARD AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING TO THE CITY TO MAKE YOUR BUDGET WHOLE WHEN WE'RE HAVING EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEMS. CORRECT. YOU KNOW ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS TOPIC ON THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET CAPS? IS THERE A TARGET FOR THAT BUDGET CAP? IT WOULD BE, IT WAS BROUGHT UP YOU KNOW, THE CITY CAN ONLY GO UP 3.5%, RIGHT? FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE UTILIZATION OF THE PROPERTY TAX.

AND THERE WAS TALK ABOUT UTILIZING THAT AS A BENCHMARK FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I MEAN, I NEVER I, I DO NOT THINK IT'S EVER A GOOD IDEA TO BUDGET FOR EVERY CENT YOU MAY GET, LIKE I WERE TO DO A BUDGET WHERE YOU'RE GOING INTO YOUR RESERVES.

THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

SO SORRY, I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE PENCIL IN OUR QUARTER RECOMMENDING TO SET A BUDGET CAP, LET'S JUST CALL IT 3.5%.

AND TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT OF UNDERSTANDING THE NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY DEPENDENT UPON YOUR REVENUE STREAM, IS THERE AN ANALYSIS THAT CAN BE DONE TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE RISK OR HERE'S HOW MUCH YOU KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN THE FUTURE IF WE HAVE AN EVENT, AND TO FIND OUT WHAT THE IMPACT IS BOTH TO YOUR OPERATIONS AND POTENTIALLY RESERVES, JUST SO THAT WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND IF WE ARE IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO PUSH THIS, WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL FISCAL IMPACT IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, CATASTROPHIC EVENT AND SEE A SIGNIFICANT DIP OF REVENUES? YES, WE COULD REQUEST FOR ITS STAFF TO DO THAT TYPE OF A RISK ANALYSIS.

YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE PRUDENT BEFORE WE COME FORWARD WITH A, YOU KNOW, A JUST FIND OUT IF IT'S GOING TO WORK, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT'S OUR RISK.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY FROM THE PARK BOARD STANDPOINT, YOU HAVE TRADITION IN HISTORY THAT YOU CAN FALL BACK ON.

THE PARK BOARD HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS WITH IKE AND OTHER CATASTROPHIC EVENTS AND HAVE A PLAN THAT THEY FOLLOW.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

MY QUESTION IS FOR JASON.

HAVE WE OPERATED UNDER ESTABLISHED CAPS BEFORE? NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST YEAR OPERATING UNDER THIS 3.5%.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YES.

[INAUDIBLE] I THINK IMPOSING AN ARBITRARY CAP AT THIS POINT WOULD NOT BE REAL PRODUCTIVE.

I'VE YET TO TALK TO TOO MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED IN CITY GOVERNMENT THAT THOUGHT THE 3.5% CAP WAS A WISE MOVE.

I MEAN, IT PUTS CITIES UNDER STRAIN, ESPECIALLY IN RECENT TIMES WITH THIS IMPOSED INFLATION.

YOU KNOW, YOU ESPECIALLY ON OPERATIONAL SIDE, YALL KNOW WHAT PROBLEMS IT CAUSES.

AND I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE THE CITY IS OPERATING UNDER THAT PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN IMPOSED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, THAT THE PARK BOARD SHOULD ALSO HAVE TO DO THAT AND ALLOWING US TO TO, YOU KNOW, OPERATE WITH WHAT WE SEE FIT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF OUR BUDGET.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

IT'S NOT NOT Y'ALL'S JOB NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S OUR JOB FOR THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE COMING IN.

AND IF WE WANT TO SET A BUDGET WHERE WE'RE SAVING RESERVES THAT THAT CAN BE USED FOR THAT RAINY DAY, I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED IN OUR AGREEMENT ON ON WHAT RESERVES WE CAN HAVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THOSE UP IF WE HAVE EXCESS RESERVES, THAT GOES TO THE CITY.

BUT IT ALLOWS US THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT AN ORGANIZATION, I THINK WOULD FIND HELPFUL IN ITS OPERATIONS.

I THINK YOU HAD ANOTHER ONE, JASON.

YES, WE HAVE MARIE AND JOHN.

TWO COMMENTS I ONE I THINK HISTORICALLY AND MOST RECENTLY COVID SHOWED AND I WASN'T ON THE BOARD, SO I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT. BUT I THINK COVID SHOWED THE, THAT THE STAFF AT THE PARK BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE RAPID AND SIGNIFICANT ADJUSTMENTS WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING COMING.

AND I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR A FACT, BUT MY SUSPICION IS THAT THEY PROBABLY ANTICIPATED IT AS QUICKLY AS ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION AROUND IN

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WITH THAT SAID, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE THREE AND A HALF AND I A LITTLE BIT SYMPATHETIC TO BARRY'S POINT IS THAT 3.5% ON EACH LINE LINE ITEM, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE 3.5% OVERALL, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE 3.5% OF HOT FUNDS? I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO SET A AN ARBITRARY BUDGET CAP, WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR BEFORE WE SPEND THE 30 OR 40 HOURS THAT I SPENT THIS YEAR, ALTHOUGH I WAS NEW AT IT, TRYING TO TO UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET AND THEN FIND OUT THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FELT SOME AREAS WERE TOO HIGH.

AND ALTHOUGH NOBODY VOICED IT, PERHAPS MAYBE A FEW WEREN'T HIGH ENOUGH.

NO COUNCIL MEMBER I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO OFFER TO LET US SPEND MORE MONEY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S YOUR JOB.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. MARIE.

AND I HAVE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE APPROACH IS NECESSARILY CAPS EITHER, BUT I DO KNOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS FOR HOWEVER WE DO IT FINANCIALLY.

WHERE WE'RE TAKING THE BURDENS OFF THE CITIZENS FROM TOURISM.

I MEAN, I LOOK AT MY DISTRICT, I KNOW I LIKE TO SAY THAT TO DRIVE THEM NUTS.

BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WE HAVE HOTELS AND WE HAVE AN UNPROTECTED BEACHES.

SO, YOU KNOW HOW HOW I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CAPS OR JUST LOOKING AT THE AREA OF OF THE PARK BOARD'S BUDGET WHERE WHERE MORE IS FOCUSED ON TAKING THE BURDEN OFF THE CITIZENS.

SO BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY CAPS ACHIEVE THAT.

WE HAD ALSO JOHN, YOU AND THEN DAVID.

YEAH. I MEAN, I, I THINK I THINK WE'RE USING THE WRONG LANGUAGE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A CAP ON THEIR BUDGET IS THE RIGHT TERM AT ALL.

I MEAN, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THAN THE 3.5% THAT THE CITY FALLS UNDER.

AND, YOU KNOW, MY, MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE IF WE DO LIMIT THEIR EXPENSES OR THEIR YEAH, THEIR EXPENSES, I GUESS.

WHERE WOULD THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY GO? WHAT WOULD WE USE IT FOR? YOU KNOW, I THINK DISCUSSIONS GOT TO TAKE A TURN IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION BESIDES THIS TAX CAP.

I AGREE. YEAH.

AND SO TO THAT END, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

I THINK THE IDEA OF STILL DOING A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IS GOOD PRACTICE, BECAUSE WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS IT TELLS YOU YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THESE EVENTS PREVIOUSLY.

SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE UNDERNEATH THIS TYPE OF, OF OF STRUCTURE? I WHETHER IT'S A CAP OR WHETHER IT'S A REVENUE SHARING, WHATEVER THE SOLUTION IS, IN ORDER TO MEET ONE OF THE GOALS OF COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS OBJECTIVE, WHICH WAS TO MAXIMIZE PARK BOARD REVENUE TO THE CITY, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.

I THINK THAT EXERCISE WOULD ALSO PROMOTE SOME CREATIVITY WITHIN THE PARK BOARD, FINANCIAL GROUP AND AND BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO SAY, OKAY, MAYBE THIS IS HOW WE WOULD APPROACH THIS AND COMING BACK AND HELPING TO OFFSET THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BENEFIT OF OUR VISITORS.

I'LL GIVE YOU MY THOUGHT ON THIS.

WE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, AND WE WANT YOU TO DISCUSS IT MORE.

I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO PUT AN OPERATIONAL BUDGET CAP ON THE PARK BOARD.

WE APPOINT THESE TRUSTEES.

WE CAN GIVE THEM GUIDANCE, THOUGH, ON WANTING TO HAVE MORE REVENUE FROM THE PARKS.

WE CAN GIVE THEM GUIDANCE ON DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT GOALS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AS WE'VE ALREADY DONE.

BUT WE HAVE CONTROL IF YOU WANT TO USE THAT WORD ON THE BUDGET OF THE PARK BOARD, WHEN WE APPROVE THAT BUDGET HERE AT THE CITY, AND I THINK TRYING TO PUT SOME TYPE OF 3.5% OR SOMETHING ON THE PARK BOARD FOR OPERATIONAL CAPS WOULD BE THE INAPPROPRIATE THING TO DO.

I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD, AND I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT WORKING WITH THEM AND GETTING OUR THOUGHTS OUT TO GUIDE THEM WHEN THEY PUT THEIR BUDGETS TOGETHER WE'LL SERVE AND ACCOMPLISH THE THE SAME PURPOSE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE CAP.

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HOW THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE PENNY IS SET FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION.

THAT'S AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH HOT TAX.

IT'S A SHORTHAND TERM FOR HOW MUCH HOT TAX WE'RE LIKELY TO COLLECT OVER THE NEXT YEAR.

BUT THERE USED TO BE A COOPERATIVE ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND AND THE PARK BOARD CFO SETTING THE PENNY.

I DON'T THINK WE VARIED A GREAT DEAL IN OUR ESTIMATES ON THAT RECENTLY, BUT I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AS MUCH AS WE USED TO ON SETTING THE VALUE OF THE PENNY, AND THAT LEADS NATURALLY TO THE QUESTION THEN.

THEN WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE EXCESS? IF THERE IS EXCESS OVER THE OVER THE SET OF THE SETTING OF THE PENNY THAT AMOUNT OF REVENUE COMING IN, I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY THAT JUST THREE, FOUR FISCAL YEARS AGO DURING THE COVID YEAR WHICH I GUESS IS HOW WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO REFER TO IT OVER TIME.

WE SET THE PENNY AT $1.5 MILLION.

IT'S CURRENTLY SET AT $3.3 MILLION.

THAT'S MORE THAN TWICE WHAT IT WAS JUST 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, AND THE PARK BOARD HAD TO DO SOME BELT TIGHTENING.

I WAS A TRUSTEE AT THE TIME, THE YOU KNOW, BUT BUT EVERYBODY SURVIVED.

NOW A LOT OF RESERVES WERE DEVELOPED BECAUSE IT TURNS OUT COVID WAS VERY GOOD TO US FROM A HOT TAX POINT OF VIEW.

WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE.

SO THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE CURRENT RESERVES COME FROM.

IS THE OVER EARNING OVER WHAT THE PENNY WAS ESTIMATED AT.

BUT LET'S TALK IN THE FUTURE, NOT TODAY, BUT IN THE FUTURE ABOUT HOW THE PENNY IS SET.

WHO SETS THAT AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR ALLOCATION TO THE PARK BOARD? SOUNDS GOOD. MIKE, I I FEEL THAT THE CAP IS IS NOT NECESSARY.

I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES IN PLACE AS FAR AS APPROVING THE BUDGET AT THE AT THE TIME THE CITY COUNCIL GETS TO APPROVE THE BUDGET AT THE END. I DID NOTICE THAT AT THE LAST BUDGET, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT CERTAIN AREAS OF THE BUDGET SPECIFICALLY BEACH PATROL.

AND SINCE THEN, THE PARK BOARD HAS ARE CREATING A COMMITTEE FOR THE BEACH PATROL TO KIND OF OVERSEE AND, AND UNDERSTAND SPENDING AND OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THE PARK BOARD DOES RECOGNIZE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS SAYING AND ARE PUTTING THE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.

I AGREE. WELL, YEAH, JUST ASIDE FROM THE CAP ISSUE, AND I THINK MIKE IS ALLUDING TO IT, IS THAT THE MERE FACT THAT WE'RE STARTING THIS PROCESS EARLY AND ARE GOING TO WORK WITH CITY COUNCIL SHOULD ALLOW US TO ADJUST THE BUDGET TO AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL, DEPENDING ON ON WHAT ISSUES COME UP.

SO I THINK THE LAST YEAR, THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THIS WAS ALL DONE IN THE 11TH HOUR.

I AGREE YOU KNOW COUNCIL, I MY, MY MY THOUGHTS ARE LISTENING TO COUNCIL'S INPUT THAT THERE'S NOT A DEFINITE MOVEMENT OF WANTING TO PUT A CAP ON THE PARK BOARD.

IF A COUNCIL MEMBER FEELS OR TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL THAT THEY WANT TO BRING THIS BACK FORWARD TO COUNCIL, WE SURE CAN DISCUSS IT.

I'M FINE TO MOVE ON, COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.

ITEM THREE IS THE DISCUSSION OF THE CURRENT STATUS OF SAN LUIS PASS THREE THROUGH SIX IS BASICALLY, I THINK, JASON, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, SIR.

OKAY. GO FOR IT. ALL RIGHT. WELL.

THANK YOU. WELL YOU MAY RECALL THAT BACK WHEN WE FIRST MET AS THIS PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IN JULY AT OUR FIRST JOINT MEETING, THERE WERE PARTICULAR GOALS AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO US BY COUNCIL THAT WE NOW HAVE SOME PROGRESS TO REPORT ON. SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE NEXT ITEMS. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL START WITH GO IN ORDER THE SAN LUIS PASS.

AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON HOW DO WE GET SAN LUIS PASS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BRIDGE CLEANED UP WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT MAY NOT BE AS TIDY AS THE REST OF US.

AND LEAVE DEFINITELY LEAVE A TRACE BEHIND INSTEAD OF A NO TRACE.

SO KIMBERLY [INAUDIBLE], I'D LIKE TO CALL HER UP TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND GOING INTO THE UPCOMING TOURIST SEASON, ON WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IN EVENTS WHERE THERE IS WHEN [INAUDIBLE] IS LEFT IN AN UNACCEPTABLE CONDITION, IN MY OPINION. I WASN'T EXPECTING TO GET A MICROPHONE.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING TRUSTEES.

THIS WILL BE A VERY BRIEF UPDATE FOR YOU AS JASON POINTED OUT, IT'S VERY IMPERATIVE THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT SECTION OF BEACH HERE ON THE ISLAND, ALL OF THE BEACHES, BUT THAT ONE IN

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WHAT WE'VE DONE IS MET WITH THE COUNTY.

WE'VE MET WITH THEM TWO TIMES AND DISCUSSED DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY EXIST FOR US TO COLLABORATE TOGETHER ON ENSURING THAT THAT SPACE IS CLEANED.

WE HAVE NOT REACHED A COMPROMISE YET OR A RESOLUTION YET.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE TRUSTEES NEXT TUESDAY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS ON HOW THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, KNOWING THAT SPRING BREAK IS COMING UP AND THAT THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT SPACE TO COLLECT SOME TRASH.

WE ARE WORKING WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS TO SEE IF THEY CAN ASSIST ON THOSE DAYS TO HELP CLEAN UP.

AND, OF COURSE, WE'LL GO AND COLLECT THE TRASH AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF FOR SOME REASON THAT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER THERE ISN'T A GROUP AVAILABLE OR MAYBE THEY DON'T DO THE FULL JOB THAT'S NEEDED, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THE RIGHT THING AND CLEAN UP THAT SPACE.

BUT LONG TERM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE CLEANING THAT SPACE, THAT WE'RE FUNDED TO DO THAT, AND THAT THE APPROPRIATE PARTIES ARE THE ONES TAKING CARE OF IT. DAVID, TRASH IS A OBVIOUSLY A VISIBLE ISSUE OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S ALSO DANGEROUS.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE STAFF OR THE EQUIPMENT TO POLICE IT.

I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO.

I KIND OF DOUBT THAT YOU DO.

YOU KNOW, STAFF FUNDING OR, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY TO POLICE THAT.

IS THE COUNTY INTERESTED IN THAT? IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN ENGAGE THE STATE? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE WATER AROUND HERE, AND THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES ON THE ISLAND.

IT'S SO REMOTE. IT'S SO LARGE.

I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. IF YOU DON'T GO OUT AND LOOK AT SAN LUIS PASS, YOU DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH SAND AND HOW MUCH OPPORTUNITY THERE IS TO GET IN THE WATER OUT THERE.

DO WE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GREAT.

GREAT OBSERVATION. AND YEAH, THAT THAT DOES CREATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR BEACH PATROL OUT THERE.

WE DO HAVE A DEDICATED PATROL THAT GOES OUT TO THE WEST END OF THE ISLAND, SPECIFICALLY OUT TO SAN LUIS PASS.

WE DON'T HAVE TOWERS OUT THERE, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HOPING THROUGH THE BEACH PATROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY EXIST FOR US TO EITHER PUT A GREATER PRESENCE OUT THERE FOR BEACH PATROL, WHO DOES HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ARM, RIGHT.

WHAT IS A OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LIMIT ACCESS TO THAT AREA, TO MAKE IT A PARK, SO TO SPEAK? OR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES THAT I THINK CAN BE EXPLORED, AND I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO TO BRING IN THE BEACH PATROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THE BEACH PATROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE MEMBERS OF GPD, OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, LOTS OF FIRST RESPONDERS THAT SIT ON THAT COMMITTEE WITH THE INTENT OF MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND THE PARK BOARD ISN'T MAKING THOSE DECISIONS IN A VACUUM. CERTAINLY WELCOME TO OR HAPPY TO COME BACK AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT THE NEXT TIME WE MEET.

AND YOUR VERY OWN FORMER BARRY WILLEY IS GOING TO BE THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE.

I WOULD APPLAUD THAT.

I, I'D ALMOST HATE TO SEE A TOWER OUT THERE.

[INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE PEOPLE THE IMPRESSION THIS IS A LEGITIMATE PLACE FOR SWIMMING, WHICH I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT IMPRESSION TO ANYBODY AS WELL.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT PEOPLE'S FISHING ACCESS.

A LOT OF FISHERMEN GO OUT THERE.

SO YEAH, I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING FUTURE.

WHAT YOUR WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE THERE.

JUST JUST FIX THIS PROBLEM.

[INAUDIBLE] COUNCILMAN BOUVIER.

SPEAKING ABOUT PROBLEMS, THANK YOU SO MUCH AS THE PARK BOARD TO TAKE ON THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRASH AND TO TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO GO AFTER THIS HOLIDAY AND CLEAN THE FACILITY UP.

THAT IS NOT ON YOUR PLATE.

I MEAN, THAT IS NOT IN YOUR SCOPE, BUT, MAN, I HANDS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN ALSO GETTING WITH THE COUNTY AND TRYING TO GET A SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT TOGETHER.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

VINCE LOREFICE AND THE COASTAL ZONE TEAM AS WELL.

THANKS. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO KIND OF GIVING AN UPDATE ON THAT.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, LET US KNOW WHERE WE STAND, NOT ONLY TRASH WISE BUT SAFETY WISE OUT THERE ALSO.

AND I DID MAKE A NOTE TO EXPAND OUR SCOPE.

AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT, YES THE BEACH PATROL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS BEING CHAIRED BY BARRY WILLEY AND VICE CHAIRED BY JASON WORTHEN [INAUDIBLE] I THINK Y'ALL'S FIRST MEETING IS COMING UP WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AS WELL.

GOOD. AND I COMMEND JASON ON HIS USE OF WORDS, HIS CHOICE OF WORDS.

HE SAID, NOT AS TIDY AS WE ARE.

AND I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOOD.

SO VERY GOOD.

LET'S MOVE TO ITEM FOUR IF WE COULD.

DISCUSSION OF SEAWALL RAMPS FOR BABE'S BEACH.

GREAT. SO TO SET THIS UP, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THERE WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACCESS TO THE BEACH WEST OF 61ST STREET BY OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. IF AN ACCIDENT OCCURS RIGHT NOW, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 91ST AND 61ST, THE VEHICLES HAVE TO ENTER ON 61ST STREET RAMP.

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GOOD MORNING SHERYL.

GOOD MORNING.

IS IT ON? SORRY.

YES, SORRY. GOOD MORNING.

SHERYL ROZIER, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF COASTAL PROJECTS FOR THE GALVESTON PARK BOARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

WE DO HAVE ON OUR THURSDAY, OUR TUESDAY AGENDA THE AWARD OF A CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES TO BEGIN THE WORK FOR THE RAMPS THAT WILL GO DOWN ONTO THE BEACH.

IF THAT CONTRACT IS AWARDED BY THE TRUSTEES, WE WILL GET WORKING IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER.

AND ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS WILL BE FOR US TO COME TO THE CITY STAFF, THE APPROPRIATE CITY STAFF THAT'S BEEN ASSIGNED TO WORK ON THE ACTUAL PLACEMENT AND LOCATION OF WHERE THOSE RAMPS WILL GO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST STEP FOR THE ENGINEER TO NEED TO KNOW WHERE THEY'RE WORKING.

AND THEN WE'LL BE OFF TO THE RACES FOR THAT.

WE ANTICIPATE JUST TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS WE ANTICIPATE THAT ENGINEERING WORK AND THE PERMITTING THAT IS REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE MOST AMOUNT OF TIME SOMEWHERE IN A 15 MONTH PERIOD OF TIME DEPENDING ON WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE BUILDING 2 OR 3 RAMPS, THE CONSTRUCTION PROBABLY WOULD RANGE FROM ABOUT 4 TO 6, 4 TO 6 MONTHS.

SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL? THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY IT'S THANK YOU VERY SORELY NEEDED OUT THERE.

SO THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S AS SPEEDY AS POSSIBLE.

VERY GOOD. JASON, IF IT MET YOUR APPROVAL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO.

I KNOW WE HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION ON FIVE.

IF WE COULD MOVE TO SIX AND GET OUR STATUS REPORT, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK, IF YOU WOULD.

SURE. TO FIVE. DISCUSSION OF THE STATUS OF STEWART BEACH PARK.

I KNOW YOU HAVE A REPORT, AND I THINK OUR STAFF HAS A REPORT ALSO.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR. EXCELLENT.

SO AS WE MOVE INTO SPRING BREAK AND THEN BEYOND MEMORIAL DAY THROUGH LABOR DAY, THE SUMMER SEASON WE WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THE TRAILERS HAVE ARRIVED.

OR SIX OUT OF SEVEN OF THEM HAVE ARRIVED AND ARE ON OUR LOT AT 26TH AND POST OFFICE.

I SEE THEM ABOUT EVERY DAY.

AND SO THEY'RE STILL THERE I CAN REPORT THIS MORNING.

THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'RE MISSING SO FAR IS THE COMMAND CENTER.

BUT THAT WAS ANTICIPATED THAT THAT ONE WAS GOING TO BE WAS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

WE DO ANTICIPATE IT ARRIVING, I BELIEVE APRIL.

APRIL. YES.

AND SO BEFORE SUMMER, NOT BEFORE SPRING BREAK, BUT BEFORE SUMMER.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BEACH PATROL IS ALREADY PREPARED FOR THAT AS WELL.

BUT WE ALSO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND GET CLOSER TO THE DEMOLITION OF THE PAVILION AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS A PRIORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEMOLISH THAT BUILDING GOING AND THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.

I CAN ALSO ATTEST THAT WAS A PRIORITY TOO AS WELL.

BUT AS WE WE MOVE CLOSER TO THE TOURIST SEASON, WHAT WE WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHEN THEY'RE PROVIDING DIRECTION TO US AS WELL AS THEIR STAFF, IS WHAT TO PRIORITIZE THIS SUMMER OR DURING SPRING BREAK, WHENEVER THE DEMOLITION BEGINS.

BECAUSE I DO ANTICIPATE IF THE DEMOLITION IS OCCURRING DURING THE SUMMER OR DURING SPRING BREAK COMING UP WE DO WILL ANTICIPATE A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN REVENUES FOR STEWART BEACH.

JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE PEOPLE WANTING TO HANG OUT ON THE BEACH NEXT TO A DEMOLITION ZONE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE COUNCIL AWARE OF.

TO ANTICIPATE, DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT OCCURS AND MAYBE CONSIDER WHAT THE PRIORITY IS FOR THE UPCOMING TOURIST SEASON AS WELL AS IT REVENUES. OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, I HATE MYSELF FOR EVEN BRINGING THIS UP, BUT IS IT DELAYING THE DEMOLITION UNTIL AFTER LABOR DAY POTENTIALLY? AND WE'RE LOOKING TO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR THAT AS WELL.

AND THEN ALSO WE WANT TO PROVIDE A REMINDER ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT DRAINING THE PARKING OUT THERE, WHICH WAS THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AS WELL.

THAT WAS MULTI MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.

AND THEN ALSO ASKED COUNCIL TO BE WHEN THEY'RE GUIDING THIS PROJECT AND OVERSEEING THIS PROJECT THROUGH THEIR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WE DO MAINTAIN THAT PROJECT AND WE DON'T ACCIDENTALLY DEMOLISH THAT PROJECT ALONG WITH THE PAVILION AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD.

BRIAN, I KNOW THERE'S WE HAD TALKED WITH THE CITY ABOUT A STATUS REPORT.

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WE SHOULD HAVE THE TRAILERS.

OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE WITH TRAILERS, UTILITIES HOOKED UP TO THEM.

POWER EVERYTHING BY MEMORIAL DAY.

WE'RE FULL STEAM AHEAD ON DEMO.

MATTER OF FACT, TODAY THE BIDS OPEN ON THE DEMO OF THE PAVILION.

SO YOU CAN LOOK FOR AN AWARD OF THAT CONTRACT PROBABLY ON YOUR MARCH AGENDA.

OKAY. DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THE TIMELINE FOR THE DEMOLITION? I'M SYMPATHETIC TO WHAT CHAIRMAN HARDCASTLE SAYS BUT, BUT BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE WANT THAT THING DOWN.

IT'S. IT'S AN EXPENSE AND A LIABILITY.

IT'S ALL ALL THE ALL ALL THOSE THINGS WE'VE ALWAYS SAID ABOUT IT.

PROBABLY DELAYING IT WOULD CAUSE US TO HAVE TO RE BID IT.

OH, THAT'S A THOUGHT TOO, DAVID.

OH, YEAH. SO CHAIRMAN, I HEAR YOUR POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL REDUCTION IN REVENUE.

I WOULD ASK MAYBE THE COORDINATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER THAT WHEN THEY DO THEIR DEMOLITION PLAN, THAT MAYBE THEY CAN CONSTRUCT SOME SORT OF PERIMETER FENCE WITH MAYBE A PRIVACY SCREEN TO KIND OF MINIMIZE THE VISUAL BLIGHT ASSOCIATED WITH TEARING DOWN A BUILDING.

ALSO, I KNOW FOR A FACT, OBVIOUSLY, THE WEEKENDS ARE YOUR BIGGEST REVENUE GENERATORS.

I WOULD EXPECT THE CONTRACTORS NOT TO BE WORKING OVER THE WEEKEND IF IT I WOULD ASK THAT THEY REVIEW THE CONTRACT, BRIAN, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK WEEKENDS. A TALL SCREEN WE HAD COUNCILWOMAN ROBB THAT.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU JASON.

GO AHEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO DEMO A BUILDING.

MAYBE WE CAN, LIKE, SCHEDULE AN IMPLOSION AND MAKE IT A . I HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK THING, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYOR.

JASON, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STATUS OF STEWART BEACH BE AWARE THAT I KNOW THERE'S AN ONGOING LAWSUIT ABOUT DRAINAGE [INAUDIBLE] BEACH, BUT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED A CLAIM SEPARATE THAT WILL BE SEEING THIS AFTERNOON AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, A CLAIM FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT ABOUT THAT.

AND I WANT I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT COUNCIL IS TAKING THIS CLAIM SERIOUSLY.

AND I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT YOU AND THE PARK BOARD AS WELL IS LOOKING INTO THIS AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY, YES.

VERY GOOD. OKAY.

JUST A THOUGHT ABOUT THE DEMOLITION.

HOW LONG? BRIAN, HOW LONG IS THIS DEMOLITION GOING TO TAKE, DO YOU THINK? AND WE TALKED COUNCILMAN FINKLEA HAD GIVEN INPUT ABOUT SCREENING AND AND PRIVACY FENCING AND ALL THAT? GREAT. VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. AND THEN KIMBERLY, I THINK YOU HAD A COMMENT.

I HAD A QUESTION. I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE LENGTH OF TIME IT WAS GOING TO TAKE, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THEM TAKE DOWN THESE BUILDINGS AND HAUL OFF THE CONCRETE IN A MATTER OF A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT BRIAN, I THINK, JUST ANSWERED MY QUESTION WITH A MONTH AND A HALF.

THAT'S THAT'S A LONG TIME.

HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE QUICKER THAN THAT.

YEAH, I WOULD HOPE SO.

MY IDEA WE COULD DO IT OVERNIGHT.

JUST SAYING. THANK YOU.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

LET'S MOVE TO ITEM FIVE.

DISCUSSION OF ALCOHOL SALES FOR DELLANERA PARK.

OKAY. SO AS A RECAP FOR THIS ONE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IN I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO MEETINGS OR ONE JOINT MEETING AND THEN A MEETING WHERE VINCE AND I RETURNED TO GIVE AN UPDATE.

AND WHAT PARK BOARD STAFF HAS DONE IS THEY HAVE PUT TOGETHER THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THE ALCOHOL SALES, POTENTIAL ALCOHOL SALES AT DELLANERA PARK.

AND I THINK THAT THIS RESONATES IN SOME OF THE REQUESTS AND THE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED EARLIER IN OUR MEETING ABOUT LOOKING FOR UNRESTRICTED FUNDS THAT COULD BE SHARED WITH THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND THAT COULD ENHANCE THAT GENERAL FUND.

AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND GET THEM TO SPEND MORE MONEY AS WELL, WHILE THEY ARE HERE.

SO VINCE HAS MADE THIS PRESENTATION TO THE TRUSTEES.

WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD RATHER BRING THIS PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL TO GET FURTHER DIRECTION, BECAUSE, LO AND BEHOLD, WE MAY MAKE A DECISION THAT MAY NOT BE COUNCIL'S WILL.

IF WE DECIDED AMONG THESE OPTIONS AND ULTIMATELY, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS CITY PROPERTY AND ULTIMATELY, THIS IS GOING TO BE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION ON HOW WE OPERATE OUT THERE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK VINCE TO COME UP AND TO PROVIDE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US FOR DELLANERA PARK POWERPOINT.

YEP. GOOD MORNING VINCE LOREFICE.

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I WAS ASKED BY THE TRUSTEES TO COME HERE THIS MORNING TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF ALCOHOL SALES AT DELLANERA.

I WAS ASKED FOR TWO THINGS.

FIRST WAS THEY ALWAYS LOVE WHEN I DO A POWERPOINT.

SO HERE YOU GO.

OH, HERE'S THE POWERPOINT FOR OUR TRUSTEES.

AND THEN THE SECOND THING WAS BLOODY MARY'S FOR THE MORNING.

HOWEVER, LEGAL COUNSEL SAID, DO NOT DO THAT.

SO BEFORE YOU TODAY WE DO HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO ARE ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE THE SAME, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND REAL QUICK.

OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL DID MAKE A RESOLUTION AND AN ORDINANCE CHANGE, I BELIEVE, BACK IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR THAT ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL TO BE SOLD AND CONSUMED AT DELLANERA RV PARK AND THAT WEST END BEACH.

BUT THERE ARE ALSO SOME COMPONENTS TO THAT THAT REQUIRES AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THROUGH A CONCESSIONAIRE AGREEMENT.

SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE THAT BACKGROUND.

SO ONE OPTION THAT WE HAVE, OPTION ONE IS TO HAVE OVER THE COUNTER SALE OF BEER AND WINE.

AND THIS WOULD BE THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP AND THE STORE THAT WE HAVE AT DELLANERA OPERATED WITHIN OUR EXISTING STAFF.

SO THIS IS SIMPLY WHERE WE SELL OUR SODAS AND GATORADES AND WATERS TODAY WE JUST ADD SOME BEER AND WINE INTO THOSE SHELVES, AND WE CONTINUE TO SELL THROUGH OUR EXISTING SOFTWARE POINT OF SALE SYSTEM AND EXISTING STAFF.

THROUGH TABC THERE IS A TWO YEAR OVER THE COUNTER SELL PERMIT THAT'S REQUIRED.

IT'S $1,900.

WE DO HAVE TO GET TRAINING FOR OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ADEQUATE IN ENSURING THAT THE LAWS ARE ARE UPHELD.

SO THERE IS SOME PERMITTING THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH TABC, SOME TRAINING WE HAVE TO DO FOR STAFF LOOKING AT PROFITABILITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NOT A FULL ANALYSIS OVER HOW MUCH WE EXPECT TO SELL, BUT WE CAN LOOK AND SEE THAT WE CAN MAKE ABOUT A 50% MARKUP ON COSTS.

SO IF WE BUY SOMETHING FOR $0.50, WE CAN SELL IT FOR A DOLLAR.

SO ABOUT A 50% MARKUP IN THAT ASPECT.

SO WOULD YOU ALSO HAVE TO INCREASE YOUR LIABILITY INSURANCE.

YES. ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. THAT WOULD BE ALL PART OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR EACH OF THESE OPTIONS.

CORRECT. THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT'S NEEDED.

THIS WAS AGAIN USING EXISTING SHELF SPACE WITHIN THE GIFT SHOP TODAY.

SO THAT'S OPTION ONE.

OPTION TWO IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

HOWEVER ADDING BEHIND THE COUNTER WHERE OUR STAFF OPERATES, YOU MIGHT SEE THIS AT SOME OF THE DIFFERENT GAS STATIONS ACROSS TOWN WHERE THEY SELL BEER AND WINE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COUNTER AND THEN BEHIND THE COUNTER THEY HAVE LIKE A DAIQUIRI MACHINE THAT'S MORE OF LIKE A WINE BASED THAT OUR STAFF WOULD BE POURING AND SERVING IT THROUGH LIKE A CARRYOUT TO GO CUP.

SIMILAR TYPE OF REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE CITY OR I'M SORRY, THROUGH TABC.

THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE HANDLING A FOOD AND DRINK, SO THERE ARE SOME FOOD HANDLING PERMITS.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS COST, WE WOULD HAVE TO BUY SOME EXISTING OR SOME ADDITIONAL MACHINES AND EQUIPMENT FOR THE DAIQUIRIS.

SO THERE'S ABOUT A $1,300 INCREASE IN CAPITAL OUTLAY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL TIMELINE AND FEES THAT ARE NOTED THEREOF. DOES THAT NOT REQUIRE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS ABOUT, THE OVER THE COUNTER DAIQUIRIS, THAT KIND OF THING, BUT DOES THAT NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND AGE RESTRICTIONS ON PERSONNEL, THAT KIND OF THING? IT'S ALL THROUGH THE TABC CERTIFICATION AND THE GETTING THE LICENSE WOULD YOU INCUR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL COSTS BY DOING THIS? NO, IT WOULD BE USING THE EXISTING STAFF.

SO BOTH OF THESE COMPONENTS WE CAN ABSORB WITHIN EXISTING STAFF.

NO ADDITIONAL STAFF IS NEEDED.

DO YOU HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 18 TO SELL ALCOHOL? ALL OF OUR STAFF ARE ARE WELL BEYOND THAT.

DON'T GO THERE. DON'T GO THERE.

IF I CAN JUST REAL QUICK THIS IS TO LOOK AT HAVING THE OVER THE COUNTER SALE OF BEER AND WINE AND TO BUILD A BAR WITHIN THE PAVILION.

THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE FACILITY, KNOW THAT NEXT TO OUR GIFT SHOP, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMUNITY ROOM.

AND IN THAT COMMUNITY ROOM, THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE TO ACTUALLY BUILD AN ACTUAL, LIKE, BAR TYPE FACILITY WITHIN THERE.

THE INSURANCE POLICY DOES GO WAY UP AT THAT POINT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE SERVING, YOU KNOW MORE OF A SERVICE THAN JUST KIND OF A CONVENIENCE COMPONENT TO IT.

THE PERMITTING IS NOT TOO MUCH DIFFERENT, BUT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL.

SO IT'S $1,900 PLUS THE $1,100, IF WE DO BOTH THE IN STORE AND THEN ALSO THE BAR PIECE TO IT, THERE IS A LONGER TIME FRAME IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THE FACILITY TO THAT STANDARD.

AND I'M SORRY, THE VERY END THE EQUIPMENT NEEDED AT THIS SLIDE IS CUT OFF.

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SO THERE'S A MAJOR INVESTMENT THERE.

OPTION FOUR IS TO SOLICIT AND SEE IF THERE'S A THIRD PARTY WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND BUILD AND OPERATE A NEW BAR.

SO SIMILAR TO OPTION THREE, BUT ACTUALLY HAVE IT WHERE IT WOULD BE A THIRD PARTY.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S ADDITIONAL TIME FRAME TO DO THIS.

WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH POTENTIAL SUBMITTERS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE NECESSARILY SUCCESSFUL.

YOU KNOW, AND I THINK SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD FROM OUR TRUSTEES AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF THAT WE'VE SHARED IS THAT WE DON'T WANT DELLANERA TO BECOME A BAR, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING JUST FOR THE BAR.

WE WANT IT TO HAVE IT AS A COMPONENT.

THAT'S AN ENRICHMENT TO THE GUESTS THAT ARE THERE AS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

SO THE GUEST EXPERIENCE IS NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN THE BEACH USERS THAT ARE THERE ALREADY RECREATING ON THE BEACH AS AN ADDITIONAL SERVICE.

SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT OUR TRUSTEES HAD SHARED AND SOME CONCERNS THAT THAT THE STAFF HAVE POINTED OUT.

DAVID. OKAY.

THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE A BAD IDEA.

[INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN WOULD BE OUTSIDERS COMING IN, SEEING THAT AS A AS AN ON NEAR NEAR THE BEACH BAR.

THE OTHERS IF YOU'RE DOING JUST OVER THE COUNTER SALES, JUST A CONVENIENCE STORE SALES. WOULD THAT RESTRICT SOMEBODY WHO'S STAYING THERE, COMING UP, GETTING A SIX PACK, GOING OUT AND SITTING DOWN AND DRINKING ON THE DECK? HOW WOULD THAT.

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

SO YOU'RE NOT. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE DOING SERVICE TO THE DECK.

THAT WOULD BE AGAIN STRICTLY OVER OVER THE COUNTER SALES.

THAT STRIKES ME AS KIND OF THE BETTER HYBRID MODEL WHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND BUY IT.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOUR VISITORS WOULD LIKE TO PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT SERVICE TO BE ABLE TO BUY A BEER AND WINE WHEN THEY'RE IN THE STORE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST HATE TO SEE IT BECOME A BAR.

YEAH, WE HAD MARIE AND THEN MIKE.

I AGREE WITH DAVID.

TO ME, THE PACKAGE.

GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, IT PROVIDES THE SERVICE TO YOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING THERE.

YOU CAN BUY BEER AND WINE NOW.

OF COURSE, IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT YOU'RE SELLING.

HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE A BETTER, YOU KNOW, A GOOD OPTIONS, NOT RIPPLE.

BUT TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE THE SAFEST, MOST LOGICAL, ESPECIALLY SINCE THAT AREA OF THE BEACH CAN BE SO VULNERABLE.

AND WE'VE HAD AS YOU GO FURTHER DOWN WITH SUNNY BEACH AND WHATNOT, WHERE WE'VE HAD SO MANY ISSUES PROVIDING MORE ALCOHOL, IT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER. YOU'RE TALKING IN IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE.

OPTION ONE. YES.

YEAH. AND AND SO I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPTION.

AND IT ALSO IS A, A STEPPING STONE.

IF YOU FIND THAT MAYBE JUST SELLING OUT OF THE COOLER FIRST AND THEN MAYBE YEAR OR TWO DOWN THE ROAD, YOU, YOU BRING ON THE DAIQUIRI MACHINE AND, AND IF IT'S DOING WELL THEN YOU CAN KIND OF ADJUST THROUGH THERE.

YOU KNOW. BECAUSE VINCE SAID THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE MARKET.

WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE OFF.

MINIMAL COST TO TO GET IT GOING.

NO IDEA. WELL, AS AS MY FELLOW TRUSTEES OFTEN GET TIRED OF HEARING ME SAY, THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY PRIORITIES SINCE I JOINED THE PARK BOARD.

QUICK BACKGROUND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, MY WIFE AND I SPENT SIX YEARS TRAVELING FULL TIME IN OUR RV AND STAYED IN WELL OVER 300 RV PARKS, E VERY NIGHT.

AND AND WHEN I MENTIONED THIS TO MY WIFE, SHE SAYS, I'VE NEVER SEEN A BAR AT THE PARKS WE STAY AT.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE HIGH END, $100, $120 AN HOUR.

I MEAN, A NIGHT PARK, BUT BUT THE THE ONE THAT THE TOURIST GOES INTO FOR A SHORT TO LONGER STAYS.

BUT MOST OF THEM DID HAVE SOME KIND OF ALCOHOL SALES.

AND THAT'S WHERE I STARTED ON THIS.

AND VINCE AND I TALKED, I THINK EVEN BEFORE MY VERY FIRST DAY ABOUT HOW TO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

AND I WAS ORIGINALLY VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF OPTION ONE, BUT I'M GOING TO PROMOTE OPTION TWO TO YOU FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT I DID A QUICK SURVEY AROUND THE ISLAND OF WHAT THE OTHER PARKS ARE DOING, I STOPPED DOWN AT KOA AND TALKED TO THEM.

I'VE BEEN GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE FOLKS AT JAMAICA BEACH FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND KOA IS SERVING THE DAIQUIRI MACHINE.

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AND FOLKS JUST WALK UP AND AND BUY THE DAIQUIRI AND TAKE IT OUT TO THE POOL OR SOMETHING.

EXACTLY THE MODEL THAT I'M NOW ENVISIONING WOULD BE MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE PARK BOARD.

IT'S A GOOD REVENUE STREAM.

THE MARGINS ARE GOOD.

THE LIABILITY IS NOT AS SIGNIFICANT.

IF WE GO ANY FARTHER THERE IS THAT STRETCH OF BEACH JUST PAST DELLANERA WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY DRIVE IN AND DRIVE FAIRLY CLOSE TO DELLANERA. AND IF THEY START COMING DOWN THERE TO BUY THEIR ALCOHOL AND CARRY OUT, I ENVISION WHAT MARIE DOES, AND THAT'S AN INFLUX OF FOLKS THAT COME DOWN THERE JUST FOR DRINKING, AND WE START TO OVERLOAD DELLANERA.

AND WHILE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REVENUE INCREASE, I THINK OUR ULTIMATE GOAL WITH OUR RV PARK IS TO PROMOTE TOURISM ON THE ISLAND WITH PROFITABILITY AS BEST AS WE CAN MAXIMIZE IT.

SO THE ONLY THING I WOULD DIFFER OR WHY I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK HARDER ON THE DAIQUIRI THING IS, DOESN'T THAT OPEN UP A WHOLE NEW THING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON, BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE A ACTIVE MACHINE THAT'S SERVING SOMETHING. YOU'RE UNDER A WHOLE DIFFERENT SCRUTINY LEVEL VERSUS JUST HAVING PACKAGED GOODS.

JUST THAT'S A LOW THAT'S A LOW RISK FOOD PERMIT IF YOU NEED ONE.

AND IT'S IT'S NOT VERY HARD.

WE HAD JOHN PAUL, JOHN.

AND PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO BE SITTING ON THE BEACH AND SERVED A TOP SHELF MARGARITA.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE PLACE FOR THAT.

MAYBE WE'LL SAVE THAT FOR STEWARD BEACH.

I LIKE I LIKE OPTION NUMBER TWO TOO.

I MEAN, I THINK IT'S A LOW BAR TO, TO, TO GET INTO $1,300 FOR A MACHINE.

AND I THINK YOUR PROFITABILITY IS PROBABLY BETTER THERE.

AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO KEEP OUT THE OVERFLOW FROM WOODY'S.

I MEAN, YOU SET YOUR PRICES ACCORDINGLY.

YOU DON'T SELL A CHEAP BUCKET OF BEER AND TRY TO GET BUSINESS FROM WOODY'S.

YOU KNOW, YOU SET YOUR PRICES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON IS NOT GOING TO PULL UP.

WELL, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WOODY'S IS THE FINE ESTABLISHMENT? BUT I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, LET'S GO HANG OUT AT THE RV PARK.

YEAH. AND YOU, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT OVERFLOW TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF YOUR PRICES.

YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT SELLING BEER JUST TO MAKE A BUCK.

YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE DOING IT TO IT FOR AN AMENITY AT THE PARK.

AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PAY THAT MONEY WILL BUY THEIR BEER THERE.

SO YEAH.

YEAH, I AGREE WITH JOHN AND AND BILL BECAUSE I JUST SEE THAT IT'S A VERY LOW RISK TO ENTRY.

BUT IT DOES HAVE A VERY GOOD UPSIDE IN TERMS OF PROFITABILITY TO ADD THAT MACHINE.

AND YOU'RE NOT CHANGING MUCH IN TERMS OF PERMITTING OR REQUIREMENTS OF STAFF EITHER.

IF YOU'RE NOT IF YOU'RE NOT, IF THE DAIQUIRI MACHINE DOESN'T COMPLICATE YOUR YOUR OPERATIONAL OR LIABILITY ISSUES, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT TOO. BUT LET'S ALL KEEP IN MIND THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MODEL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE SIMILAR SERVICES AT OTHER PARKS.

SO THIS THIS IS A TEST BED FOR.

SO I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE HERE I THINK WOULD PROBABLY BE WISE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM COUNCIL IS OPTION A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT FOR OPTION TWO.

YES SHARON.

I'M FOR OPTION ONE.

BUT WHATEVER THE MAJORITY AND I KEEP HEARING THE WORD TO BE PROFITABLE.

AND I GUESS DELLANERA HAD A DIFFERENT FEEL FOR ME WHEN I WENT THERE.

AND I GUESS IT COULD BE BECAUSE I'M NOT A BEER DRINKER OR WHATEVER, BUT I FELT HIM MORE OF A A FAMILY ORIENTED.

AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR TRAVELS AND YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD PREFER OPTION ONE TO START WITH BEER AND WINE AND THEN SEE WHAT THE CLIENTELE AND HOW IT GROWS, OR IF IT GROWS OR IF IT DECREASES IF PEOPLE DECIDE THAT, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE OF THAT.

SO THAT'S MY OPINION.

MARIE. NO, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT SHARON SAID.

OKAY. STARTING WITH OPTION ONE.

YOU KNOW, I IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AROUND THE TABLE, I PERSONALLY I LIKE OPTION ONE.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND JASON.

WORK WITH STAFF.

ONCE YOUR TRUSTEES EVALUATE THIS AND SEE HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WORK WITH STAFF.

AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.

DON, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

HOWEVER YOU WANT TO APPROACH IS I THINK YOU'RE SEEING KIND OF A SPLIT BETWEEN 1 AND 2, SIR.

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IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WAIT ON AN OFFICIAL VOTE TAKEN BY CITY COUNCIL, A FUTURE MEETING, PERHAPS.

MARCH OR. YES, DEFINITELY.

WE SURE WANT TO HAVE COUNCIL VOTE ON THIS TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH SO THAT YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE DOING THINGS AND STILL LOOKING FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. SO WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO PREPARE ANY INFORMATION THAT MAY HELP CITY COUNCIL DELIBERATE AND MAKE THEIR DECISION OFFICIALLY AT A FUTURE MEETING AND OR HAVE OUR STAFF AVAILABLE? HOW WOULD WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO TO.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY PERSONAL OPINION AND COUNCIL YOU CAN WEIGH IN.

DON, WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO DO IS PUT TOGETHER AN ORDINANCE.

AND YOU DO THIS QUITE A BIT WITH OUR ORDINANCES AND GIVE US THE OPTION OF 1 OR 2, AND THEN COUNCIL CAN AND THEN COUNCIL CAN DELIBERATE. AND THEN WE'LL VOTE AT COUNCIL AND WE CAN GUIDE YOU ONCE WE MAKE OUR VOTE.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR VINCE.

SO BEER AND WINE PACKAGE.

GOOD. IT'S IT'S IN THAT KIND OF EXPANDED NOW INTO HARD CIDERS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

OR IS THAT A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL? SO THE PREPACKAGED GOODS THROUGH TABC WOULD INCLUDE LIKE THE SELTZERS, THE CANS OF SELTZERS OR, OR ITEMS THAT I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS CAN YOU BUY IT AT A GROCERY STORE VERSUS DO YOU HAVE TO GO TO A LIQUOR STORE? SO IT WOULD BE, EVEN IF WE STARTED WITH ONE, YOU'D HAVE A MORE EXPANDED.

CORRECT. IT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT, RIGHT.

I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION.

IF YOU DO OPTION TWO, WOULD SOMEBODY BE ABLE TO BUY A DAIQUIRI AND LIKE GO OUT ON THE DECK AND CONSUME ON PREMISES, OR IS THAT A I MEAN IS THAT A LEAP IN ALCOHOL PERMITS? I HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT FROM OUR OWN LIABILITY COMPONENT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO REPORT BACK ON.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YES, THEY COULD CONSUME ON PROPERTY BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE CHANGE FROM THE CITY WOULD ALLOW THAT.

SO ONCE THEY LEAVE THE STORE WITH THE CONTAINER, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU GET A DAIQUIRI TO GO, IT HAS A SEALED TOP ON IT.

ONCE THEY LEAVE IT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE CONSUMED.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT IF IT EXTENDED PAST THE PROPERTY OF THE PLACE THAT WAS SELLING IT OR IF IT'S THE DOOR.

YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU WALK OUTSIDE THE DOOR, YOU CAN CONSUME IT.

MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO THE OTHER PARKS WAS THAT IT REALLY IS ALCOHOL OR THE STRENGTH OF THE ALCOHOL, ALCOHOL CONTENT.

AND SO WHAT THE THE DAIQUIRI YOU'RE SELLING IS A WINE BASED DAIQUIRI.

AND SO IT'S THE ALCOHOL CONTENT THAT THAT REGULATES WHAT THE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO TO SELL AND WHAT UNDER THE PERMIT.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WOULD ALLOW.

AND THEN THAT UPGRADE OVER THE COUNTER IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET LIABILITY MIC]. JOHN, WHAT IS OUR WHAT ORDINANCE WOULD WE ACTUALLY BE AMENDING HERE? AND THAT THAT ORDINANCE JUST DEALS WITH CONSUMPTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THEY COULD THEY SELL ALCOHOL RIGHT NOW? KIND OF SAYS.

NO, NO, NO. BUT I'M I'M ASKING OUR OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, THOUGH, IT JUST PROHIBITS THE CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN OUR PARKS, ON THE BEACH, IN CERTAIN AREAS.

BEACH WEST OF 10TH STREET?

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IN THE MEANTIME, JASON, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, IF THE PARK BOARD HAS INPUT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE TO COUNCIL FEEL FREE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND GIVE THAT TO JANELLE, AND WE'LL GET THAT TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

GREAT. AND IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS, THIS MOVEMENT IN THE DIRECTION OF SERVICES AT DELLANERA, I BELIEVE IT'S MY RECOLLECTION THAT THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS ALREADY PASSED THAT ALLOWS ALCOHOL SALES AT DELLANERA.

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A CITY ISSUED PERMIT IN ORDER TO DO SO.

SO SOME OF THESE STEPS MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN, BUT THAT IS.

I MEAN, TRUST BUT VERIFY MY RECOLLECTION [INAUDIBLE] RESEARCH THAT.

DON, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, PLEASE LET US KNOW ON THAT ONE.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FROM OUR STANDPOINT, JASON, WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA FOR THE PARK BOARD.

I WANTED TO THANK THE PARK BOARD MEMBERS FOR BEING HERE.

IT'S IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE HAVING YOUR INPUT ON THESE THINGS.

JASON, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? SURE. THANK EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO MEET WITH US TODAY.

I HAVE A VALUABLE PAGE OF NOTES, PAGE AND A HALF OF NOTES HERE.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE IS US TO REPORT BACK ON A LOT OF THESE ITEMS AS WELL, SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT WE DID.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO REPORT ON SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR PREVIOUS JOINT MEETINGS AS WELL.

AND WHENEVER WE HAVE PROGRESS ON THE ITEMS THAT WE REPORTED ON TODAY, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY BRING THOSE BACK TO YOU.

AND I APPRECIATE ALSO FITTING THIS MEETING IN WITH THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL.

I FEEL LIKE WE OWED THESE PROGRESS REPORTS TO THIS COUNCIL, BECAUSE THIS COUNCIL IS THE ONES WHO GAVE US THE DIRECTION AND HOPE TO MEET BEFORE THE ELECTIONS AS WELL COMING UP SO THAT WE CAN REPORT BACK ON THIS PROGRESS TOO.

SO MAYBE APRIL SOMETIME WE CAN GET BACK TOGETHER AND AND GIVE SOME MORE POSITIVE NEWS.

GREAT. THANK YOU JASON.

AND IT IS 9:27 WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR JOINT WORKSHOP.

WE ARE NOW FINISHING AND COMPLETE WITH THAT COUNCIL.

I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE'LL START WITH OUR CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

IT IS 9:33.

WE HAVE TAKEN A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

CONCERNING OUR AGENDA WE ARE NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CITY COUNCIL PORTION OF WORKSHOP FOR THIS.

AND I WANTED TO THANK STAFF THAT IS HERE.

SORRY TO KEEP YOU WAITING, STAFF, BUT WE HAD SOME ITEMS WE HAD TO FINISH WITH THE PARK BOARD, AND WE TRIED TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE THROUGH THOSE.

WE HAVE THE MEMBERS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PORT HERE.

THAT'LL BE OUR NEXT ITEM HERE.

BUT I WANT TO MOVE INTO OUR CLARIFICATION ITEMS RIGHT NOW.

COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE THE PORT REPRESENTATIVES HERE.

SO I'M HOPING THAT OUR CLARIFICATION PORTION OF THE AGENDA HERE WILL MOVE VERY QUICKLY HERE.

[3.B. Clarification of Consent and Regular City Council Agenda Items - This is an opportunity for City Council to ask questions of Staff on Consent and Regular Agenda Items (1 hour)]

ITEM 3B CLARIFICATION OF CONSENT AND REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. AS I MENTIONED, FOR THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT JUST SEATED THEMSELVES, WE HAVE THE PORT HERE AND WE'LL BE FOLLOWING WITH THEIR ITEMS. SO I WANTED TO DO THE CLARIFICATION SO WE CAN GET STAFF IN AND OUT THOUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

DAVID, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I'M I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT.

JOHN PAUL. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD MIKE.

I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. VERY GOOD.

AND, MARIE, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SOME LIKE TO ME, THIS WAS ONE OF THE HAPPIEST CONSENT ITEMS I'VE EVER READ. AND I WANT TO JUST COMMENT ON TWO OF THEM.

ONE WAS 11F WHERE THE HUMANE SOCIETY HAS DONATED CHIP READERS TO OUR FIRE STATIONS, AND THAT IS SO KEY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S SO MANY ANIMALS THAT ARE LOST.

DURING CAR ACCIDENTS ANYWAY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS I THOUGHT THAT WAS EXCELLENT.

[01:30:04]

IT IS 11M.

LIKE TO THANK THE FAMILY SERVICES FOR DONATING THE MONEY ALLOWING THEIR CHILDREN TO COME AND DO THE FREE A WHATEVER DEAL AT THE POOL.

AND I'D LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR THAT.

VERY GOOD. BOTH OF THOSE.

GREAT, GREAT.

YOU DO HIGHLIGHT ONE THING.

COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB IS THAT OUR FIRE STATIONS SERVE BIGGER PURPOSES THAN JUST HOUSING FIRE TRUCKS.

RIGHT. THEY'RE COMMUNITY SITES.

AND OUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE EXCELLENT AT BEING THOSE.

YOU KNOW, HARKENING BACK TO AN OLDER TIME WHERE THEY REPAIRED KIDS BIKES TO NOW WHERE THEY CAN RECEIVE BABIES AND THEY CAN DEAL WITH NOW, THEY CAN HELP LOCATE LOST ANIMALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO ESPECIALLY, I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND, THAT'S A REAL BENEFIT.

RIGHT. SO NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE VALUE OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

RIGHT. NO DOUBT.

COUNCILMAN FINKLEA.

YES, I'VE GOT I'VE GOT A FEW HERE.

ITEM 8A THIS IS THE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH DISTANCING VAPE SHOPS FROM SCHOOLS.

A QUICK QUESTION IS I DIDN'T SEE IS THERE ANY PROVISION FOR UNCONFORMING EXISTING USES? SO, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING USE? SURE. I'M CATHERINE GORMAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THOSE THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED.

AND THAT'S COVERED UNDER ARTICLE 11 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

SO IT'S JUST THOSE ARE UMBRELLA REGULATIONS FOR NONCONFORMITY.

OKAY. THE PRETTY MUCH THE EASIEST ONE.

DID Y'ALL DO ANY TYPE OF ANALYSIS RELATED TO THE POSSIBLE NUMBER OF IMPACTED BUSINESSES? WELL, THE BUSINESSES EXISTING ARE NOT IMPACTED.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE GRANDFATHERED GOING FORWARD.

IT REALLY WASN'T NECESSARY OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. GREAT. REMEMBER THE GRANDFATHERING.

IF THEY SELL THAT AS LONG AS THAT BUSINESS DOESN'T FALL OUT FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS, THEY CAN SELL IT AND IT CAN STILL BE INACTIVE.

IT'S ACTUALLY A YEAR. SO A YEAR.

YEAH OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE].

ALONG THOSE LINES IF YOU DON'T MIND DAVID I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT.

I JUST NOTICED THERE WAS ONE VOTE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGAINST THIS CHANGE.

WHAT WAS THE DO YOU KNOW ANY REASONING BEHIND THAT? I DON'T RECALL ANY REASONS BEING VERBALIZED.

HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS.

IN OUR LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RULES THAT CAME OUT AGAINST VAPING.

SO IF A CHILD IN HIGH SCHOOL, MIDDLE SCHOOL, GOD FORBID, GRADE SCHOOL IS CAUGHT VAPING, THEY ARE ACTUALLY KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL AND HAVE TO GO TO A DISCIPLINARY SCHOOL.

SO IN MY OPINION, IT WAS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO PUT SOME RULES AND REGULATIONS HAVING TO DO WITH VAPE SHOPS, WHICH WE HAD NOTHING ON THE BOOKS.

I ABSOLUTELY, I JUST I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE ORDINANCE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT TO EXISTING BUSINESSES.

AND IF, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S CARRIED OUT, TAKEN CARE OF UNDERNEATH CHAPTER 11, THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR.

JOHN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS? NOPE. OKAY. ITEM 11A, THIS IS RELATED TO THE THE LETTER THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT REGARDING THE THE DEEPENING OF THE CHANNEL.

I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS HERE.

SO IS THIS $3.8 MILLION ALREADY BUDGETED THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO? WELL, THIS IS NOT MONEY FROM US.

YEAH, THIS IS PORT.

THIS IS PORT. YEAH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL WITHHOLD THAT QUESTION THEN FOR, I GUESS, THEM I JUST MY MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT IN THAT LETTER, IT ALSO REQUESTS A $35 MILLION, YOU KNOW ALLOCATION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT USUALLY THOSE COME WITH LOCAL MATCHES.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE NOT ALREADY REQUIRED.

ARE WE GOING TO BE OBLIGATED FOR GREATER THAN $3.8 MILLION, OR IS THE PORT GOING TO BE OBLIGATED FOR GREATER THAN 3.8 MILLION? WELL WE HAVE OUR PORT REPRESENTATIVE HERE.

LET'S BRING THEM TO THE TABLE.

ROGER, DID YOU WANT OR VIC, DO YOU MEAN WE HAVE A QUESTION ON ONE OF OUR ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA TODAY? LETTER OF SUPPORT ON THE DREDGING.

BUDGET? WHICH, THERE'S SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE DREDGING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE USER OR IN OTHER WORDS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EXTENSION? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE DREDGING? THIS IS THE LETTER SUPPORT.

LETTER OF SUPPORT STARTING STARTING FEBRUARY 2024.

YES, THAT MONEY.

WE BUDGET $200,000 A MONTH FOR DREDGING.

OKAY. AND THEN FURTHERMORE, THE REQUEST WAS FOR AN ADDITIONAL $35 MILLION IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH SOME SORT OF OVERALL OBJECTIVE.

[01:35:07]

OKAY. WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET AHEAD OF THE GAME.

RIGHT NOW, WE WERE BUDGETED $25 MILLION TO DO THE MAINTENANCE DREDGING.

AND AS A RESULT OF THE ARMY CORPS CHANGING THE SCOPE OF THAT, WE ONLY GOT ABOUT SEVEN OF IT.

OKAY, $17 MILLION OF IT WENT TO REBUILD THE LEVEES ON PELICAN ISLAND FOR AT THE AT THE ARMY CORPS FACILITIES.

OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND TRYING TO IT TAKES EVERY BIT OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE CHANNEL VERSUS OUR PROPERTY.

SEE, YOU KNOW, THE CHANNEL IS ABOUT 1200FT WIDE.

AND WHAT OUR PIECES ARE ON THE SIDE.

AND SO WHAT THIS IS FOR IS CHANNEL MAINTENANCE.

SURE. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO IF YOU IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL GETTING THE ALLOCATION OF $35 MILLION, ARE THERE ARE THERE OTHER STIPULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IN TERMS OF LOCAL MATCH BEING REQUIRED? NOT FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE CHANNEL.

GREAT. THAT'S THAT'S 100% THERE ONE COST.

THOSE ARE MY THAT'S MY QUESTION ON THAT ITEM.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE.

JUST STAY STAY RIGHT THERE OKAY.

WELL GO RIGHT AHEAD DAVID.

ITEM 11Y, THIS IS THE STANTEC CONTRACT RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW.

IN REVIEWING EXHIBIT ONE, THE SCOPE OF SERVICES.

THE COST ESTIMATE REVIEW ONLY INCLUDES UNIT PRICES, COMPARISONS, COMPARISONS TO SOUTH SHORE.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT STANTEC IS PRETTY DARN LARGE COMPANY.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE SCOPE OF SERVICES WRITTEN.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM, WOULD YOU ASK FOR THEM TO I'M SURE THEY MAINTAIN CURRENT BID TABS ACROSS TEXAS AND ACROSS THE NATION THAT THEY ACTUALLY UTILIZE THAT IN THEIR ANALYSIS, NOT JUST A SINGLE DATA POINT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO A SINGLE DATA POINT, YOU HAVE A HIGH DEGREE OF VARIABILITY WITH THAT.

SO THAT'S MY ONLY REQUEST.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD MAYOR.

THANK YOU DAVID. APPRECIATE IT.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA.

SO I DID HAVE ONE MORE.

YES, MA'AM.

AND AS FOR BRANDON THE [INAUDIBLE] THE TRASH THING.

WHAT'S OUR GOAL OF THAT? SO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE IS WE'RE PLANNING TO CONDUCT RIGHT NOW, THE SANITATION FUND IS PROJECTED TO END THE YEAR WITH ONLY $350,000 IN FUND BALANCE WHICH IS WELL BELOW OUR 90 DAY TARGET.

A LITTLE LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE.

YES. SHOULD I GET THE MICROPHONE? YES. YEAH.

YEAR WITH $350,000 WORTH OF FUND BALANCE.

AND OUR 90 DAY TARGET IS $2.4 IN THAT FUND.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE PENALTIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS IN OCTOBER, I BELIEVE, IS WHEN WE ADOPTED THE INITIAL MEETINGS, WE STARTED ROLLING THEM OUT THIS MONTH IN FEBRUARY.

BUT THOSE ARE VERY WE BELIEVE THAT THOSE PENALTIES WILL BE ASSESSED, ARE VERY TRANSIENT IN NATURE.

AND PEOPLE WILL START ALTERING THEIR BEHAVIOR.

AND WE HAVEN'T CONDUCTED A REVENUE SUFFICIENCY ANALYSIS ON THIS FUND AND PROBABLY OVER A DECADE.

LAST TIME WE DID ANY TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT, IT WAS AN INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENT IN 2021 ON THERE.

AND SO RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THE NEW CHANGES AND EVERYTHING, WE WANT TO PRETTY MUCH DO A DATA ANALYSIS ON EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW AS IT COMES IN. AND TO LOOK AT ALL THE CHANGES WHOLESALE BEFORE WE GET INTO A BAD SITUATION AND IT GETS A LITTLE TOO LATE.

RIGHT? SO WHEN ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TO PRICING AND WHATNOT AND FINES AND SO FORTH, WE DIDN'T DO ANY KIND OF STUDY BEFORE THAT.

WE DID WE DID SOME INTERNAL WORK ON THAT.

BUT THE IDEA HERE IS, IS THAT NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD CAPTURE ON THIS, WE WANT A CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT IT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ACCURATELY REFLECT THE ACTUAL SAVINGS, BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN JUST NEW REVENUE.

THERE'S ACTUALLY SAVINGS BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT DOING SEVEN DAY A WEEK SERVICE, WE'RE NOT DOING ALL THOSE THINGS.

THERE'S GOING TO BE PROJECTED SAVINGS.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REFLECTING ALL THAT AS WE GO INTO OUR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

THANK YOU. JOHN.

[01:40:01]

WE HAVEN'T REALLY APPLIED ANY NUMBERS TO IT YET.

MIC] YEAH. AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS, IS THAT WE ALSO GOT SLAMMED WITH A FREEZE.

SO WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE WE'RE GETTING A HIGH VEGETATED PICKUP RIGHT NOW.

SO AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BALANCE THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS AS FREE WITH OUR USERS AS WE CAN, BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE GET A FREEZE, WE ARE HIGHLY TROPICAL IN OUR LANDSCAPE HERE IN GALVESTON.

SO WE END UP WITH A LITTLE HIGHER VEGETATIVE PICKUP THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY HAVE SO WE'RE DEALING.

[INAUDIBLE] VERY CONFUSED ON THAT BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT ANYONE'S YARD AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS DEAD.

SO NOW THEY'RE AFRAID TO PUT THEIR STUFF OUT OR THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN THEIR TRASH CANS, WHICH IT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED KEEPING IT SEPARATE.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF STATEMENT, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO THE FREEZE, SO THEY KNOW THEY CAN PUT THAT STUFF OUT THAT WE ARE? [INAUDIBLE].

NOT JUST NOT JUST FREEZE, BUT ABOUT GREEN WASTE SPECIFICALLY.

I'VE GOT FOLKS THAT ARE CONCERNED I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I KNOW EVERYBODY GOT SPOILED HERE ON THE ISLAND, SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME EDUCATIONAL WORK ON THAT.

YEAH. AND AND THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED OUT THERE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE.

YOU GOT TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.

. BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE, THEN WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE DAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND AND GET IT DONE, YOU KNOW.

SPEAKERS] QUITE A FEW CALLS. IT'S QUITE A QUITE CONFUSING.

I'M NOT SURE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO BE IF YOU SET A BAG, EVEN IF IT'S LEAVES NEXT TO YOUR TRASH CAN, THEY WILL NOT PICK THAT UP.

. SO ANYWAY I THERE IS SOME CONFUSION OUT THERE AND PEOPLE ARE CALLING ME.

BUT IF WE CAN CLARIFY THIS REAL WELL I THINK THAT'D BE MEAN, AND THAT'S WHERE I DON'T SEE THE COMMUNICATION HAPPENING AS THIS IS GOING ON AND THE CHANGE AND THE FREEZE HAPPENING ALMOST AT THE SAME TIME.

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU I THINK THAT'S ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND.

APPRECIATE THAT.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3C IF WE COULD PLEASE.

[3.C. Discussion of Participation with the Port as it relates to Parking Garages (Brown - 20 min)]

JUST LET THE ROOM CLEAR OUT FOR A SECOND.

OKAY. COUNCIL ON ITEM 3C WITH THE PORT, I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS ITEM SO COUNCIL'S AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE

[01:45:10]

WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING A PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER FOR PARTNERING WITH THE PORT ON THE BUILDING OF PARKING GARAGES. WE ARE NOT TODAY.

THIS ITEM IS NOT HERE TO WORK OUT DETAILS AT THE TABLE HERE ON WHAT SHOULD BE IN THIS PROPOSAL.

WHAT IS ON THE ITEM TODAY IS TO GET AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

AND THE STAFF HAD HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH THE PORT CONCERNING THIS TOPIC AND STAFF, AND I FELT THAT WE SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD UNTIL WE GET COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.

AFTER OUR OVERVIEW TODAY OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS TOPIC, IF COUNCIL FEELS THAT STAFF SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH SPECIFIC DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PORT AND PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL, THEN THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

IF COUNCIL FEELS THAT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT WE FEEL THAT THANK YOU PORT, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG AND LET THE PORT DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE BUILDING OF THOSE PARKING GARAGES.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TO A CERTAIN EXTENT TODAY.

VIC PIERSON, CHAIRMAN OF THE PORT OF GALVESTON, JUST TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, WHEN I WAS VICE CHAIRMAN ON THE FIRST PROPOSAL FOR THE BOND ISSUE FOR THE CRUISE TERMINAL 25 EXPANSION, I DISTINCTLY HEARD, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT WAYS OF BRINGING NEW REVENUE STREAMS TO THE CITY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY, AN OPPORTUNITY.

THE PORT IS PERFECTLY HAPPY TO BUILD THIS GARAGE WITHOUT ANY CITY PARTICIPATION.

WE'RE CAPABLE.

WE CAN GET THE BONDS.

BUT I MADE A PLEDGE TO THE CITY, AND ROGER'S FOLLOWING UP WITH A POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY.

AND IF WE WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT ALONE.

BUT IF WE CAN BRING ADDITIONAL ENHANCED REVENUES TO THE CITY THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY FOR.

DAVID, I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION.

BEFORE WE GET DAVID'S QUESTION, COULD WE ESTABLISH SOME FOUNDATION HERE? THE COST OF THIS PARKING GARAGE IS $41 MILLION, CORRECT? AND WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS FROM HENSEL PHELPS THAT THIS NUMBER IS PRETTY GOOD.

I MEAN, OKAY, THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T SEE MUCH CHANGES.

AND BETWEEN NOW AND 100%, $41 MILLION IS THE I THINK $41,000,005 IS THE EARLY ESTIMATES ON THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT INCLUDES SIX.

IT'S A SIX STORY GARAGE ALMOST 1,600 PARKING SPACES.

AND THEN ALSO BE AWARE THAT WE'LL ALSO HAVE ABOUT 700 PARKING SPACES ON THE GROUND, WHICH WILL BE SURROUNDING THE GARAGE AND THE TERMINAL.

AND THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, AS I'VE SAID THIS MANY TIMES, YOU KNOW, OUR PARKING ON THE GROUND IS A LAND BANK, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE AS MUCH REVENUE AS WE CAN FROM LANDS THAT AREN'T, DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER USE AT THIS STAGE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE USE FOR ALL THIS YOU KNOW, THESE PARKING SPACES ON THE GROUND.

SO IT'S $41 MILLION YOU KNOW, AS VIC SAID IT'S INCLUDED IN OUR CURRENT FINANCING AT THIS STAGE IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH THE BOND LIAISON GROUP.

AND SO, YES, IT'S IT'S A WE HAVE WE WOULD INTEND TO PUT THE SAME KIND OF SYSTEMS WE HAVE.

WE HAVE A LICENSE PLATE READING SYSTEM INTO IT, WHICH WOULD BE PART OF THE COST.

IT WILL BE CONSOLIDATED.

AND I THINK THAT WE SUPPLIED SOME DRAWINGS TO THE BOARD OF THAT LOCATION AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

AND IF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD ON DIRECTING STAFF TO GET MORE DETAILS ON THIS.

OF COURSE, THE PARTICIPATION OF THE CITY WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

WE COULD PRESENT WE COULD PARTICIPATE IN A QUARTER OF THAT, WHICH WOULD BE $10 $11 MILLION OR SO.

BRIAN AND STAFF'S FEELINGS, IF WE PARTICIPATED, WHERE WOULD THIS MONEY COME FROM? THE ONLY OPTION I HAVE OF THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IS HOT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S HELD IN OUR HOT RESERVE FUNDS, AND THIS IS AN ELIGIBLE EXPENSE.

ACTUALLY, IT'S EXPLICITLY ELIGIBLE IN THE, IN THE STATE LAW FOR USE OF THOSE FUNDS.

[01:50:04]

IF YOU WANTED TO USE THOSE MONIES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF BEACH PATROL AND STEWART BEACH YOU COULD DO THAT, OR YOU COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF KIND OF AT THIS POINT, AS IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU WANT YOUR DEBT AND WHAT COMPONENT UNIT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR DEBT IN? DO YOU WANT YOUR DEBT IN THE PARK COURT, OR DO YOU WANT YOUR DEBT IN THE PORT? THIS IS POSSIBLY SOMETHING THAT IDC COULD POSSIBLY WEIGH IN ON.

IDC, I DON'T KNOW, IS IS VIABLE OF AN OPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE MOST OF THOSE FUNDS COMMITTED, ESPECIALLY ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE THROUGH DRAINAGE PROJECTS.

WE DON'T WANT TO CURTAIL OR STOP OUR DRAINAGE WORK HERE ON THE ISLAND AS A RESULT OF THAT.

PLUS THE FACT THAT THE TIMELINES INVOLVED WITH THAT WOULD INVOLVE DEBT ISSUANCE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND WE WOULD PROBABLY BE FAR OUTSIDE ANY, ANY REALM OF, OF CALENDAR THAT THE PORT WOULD NEED TO ACT UPON.

ALL RIGHT. DAVID, AND I THINK THE SAME IS TRUE OF WORK WE'RE DOING AT STEWART BEACH, THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS DOWN THERE.

I VIC, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THIS TO COUNCIL, AND I DON'T WANT TO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO DO SO IN THE FUTURE ON OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY, IN LOOKING BRIEFLY, WE'VE NOT SEEN A FORMALIZED REPORT FROM STAFF, BUT JUST FROM CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH STAFF, AS BRIAN SAYS, WE'D HAVE TO WE'D HAVE TO GO TO HOT FUNDS TO DO THIS.

AND I THINK IN MY MIND, WE'VE WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT TO PARK BOARD AND TO THE BEACH PATROL TO USE THOSE HOT FUNDS FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE HEADQUARTERS DOWN THERE.

IF WE IF WE WERE TO GO THIS WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT COULD BE PROFITABLE IN THE FUTURE, THEN WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT IN THE BEACH PATROL.

THAT WOULD LIKELY INVOLVE A BOND AND ALL THAT ENTAILS, AND ESPECIALLY THE DELAYS THAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL.

SO I AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DON'T I DON'T THINK NOW'S THE TIME FOR THE CITY TO ENGAGE IN THIS PARTNERSHIP.

WE HAD JOHN AND THEN DAVID AND THEN MARIE.

WHY WOULD WHY WOULD THAT BE THE ONLY SOURCE OF OF WHERE DO YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE $11 MILLION LAYING AROUND? WHAT THE $11 MILLION WOULD BE FOR WHAT? OUR INVESTMENT IN THE PARKING GARAGE.

25% INTEREST, 25%.

25%. IF WE MOVE THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT.

SO THE PORT IS IS ACTING IS ASKING FOR AN EQUITY INTEREST IN IT.

NOT NOT WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T USE ANY BONDING CAPACITY TO DO THAT.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDING CAPACITY IF YOU DID THAT, AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE, WHICH WOULD BE FAR OUTSIDE THERE.

IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER FOR US TO GET THE BONDS.

AND BUT YOU'RE BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING A GENERAL OBLIGATION, YOU'RE GETTING A REVENUE BOND, RIGHT? YOU'RE GETTING A REVENUE BOND.

FOR US, IT WOULD BE SOME TYPE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND.

AND TELL ME WHY WHY THEY CAN GET A REVENUE BOND AGAIN.

BECAUSE THEY ARE PLEDGING.

IT'S THEIR REVENUE. IT'S NOT OUR REVENUE.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO BE THE OWNER OF THE GARAGE AND WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE THE GARAGE.

I THINK THE BOND OUR BOND COUNSEL WOULD TELL US THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO THAT WOULD BE US, DON, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE MIGHT AS WELL DO THE WHOLE GARAGE.

WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, THE PROPERTY IS OWNED.

YEAH. AND THE OTHER THING TOO, IS IT BECOMES IT COMES DOWN TO YOUR BONDING CAPACITY AT THE CITY.

AND DO YOU WANT TO TIE UP YOUR BONDING CAPACITY ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? BUT THAT WOULD BE IF WE DID IT THAT WAY, THAT WOULD BE REVENUE BOND.

IT POSSIBLY COULD BE, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO THE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE TO BE WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT? YEAH. I'M JUST WE'RE JUST ASKING POSSIBILITIES OUT THERE.

I WANT TO KNOW ALL THE DETAILS.

DAVID. YEAH.

YOU KNOW, LOOK, I'M ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, MAXIMIZING THE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE BACK TO THE CITY AS, AS A RESULT OF THE INVESTMENT IN THE PORT.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT.

Y'ALL DO THIS REALLY WELL.

Y'ALL ARE DOING DEVELOPMENT REALLY, REALLY WELL.

AND PART OF ME SAYS THAT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLICATED.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY STICKING OUR FINGERS INTO, YOU KNOW, THE THE, THE BOARDS, THE ONBOARDING FOR PASSENGERS.

WE'RE STICKING IT INTO PARKING.

THIS WOULD COME UNDERNEATH THAT IN TERMS OF REVENUE BACK TO THE CITY THAT HAVE ANOTHER AGREEMENT LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, HONESTLY, TO THE OTHER PRIORITIES THAT COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS MENTIONED RELATED TO STEWART BEACH.

I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOT OBLIGATIONS THERE AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT I ALLOW Y'ALL TO GO DO WHAT YOU DO BEST AND DO THAT DEVELOPMENT.

AND LET'S NOT MAKE THINGS MORE COMPLICATED BETWEEN US.

MARIE, I WOULD SUPPORT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OWNERSHIP OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A WISE MOVE ON THE CITY'S PART.

I THINK IT WOULD ALLOW US TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE.

AND YOU'VE DONE SUCH AN AMAZING JOB OF THAT SO FAR.

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AND I'LL KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG WITH DAVID FINKLEA THAT AT THIS OPPORTUNITY OR THIS TIME IN, IN WHERE WE'RE AT I FEEL THAT WE'VE ALREADY OBLIGATED THAT MONEY TO STEWART BEACH AND TO THE BEACH PATROLS BUILDING.

AND THAT WOULD PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO TO DO THE PROFIT SHARING.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE PORT COMING OVER AND BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

I MEAN, THIS WAS THIS IS A GESTURE OF GOODWILL ON THEIR PART TO TRY TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY.

I DO THINK THE TIMING IS A LITTLE OFF FOR US HERE AT THE CITY.

ESPECIALLY WITH OUR OBLIGATIONS FOR STEWART BEACH PARK, WHICH, IN MY MIND, IS STILL A HIGH PRIORITY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

SO I THINK WE'RE SEEING HERE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER THIS IN THE FUTURE.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE PROBABLY WOULD TURN IT OVER TO YOUR EXPERTISE, WHICH YOU DO A GOOD JOB WITH.

MAYOR WE'RE PERFECTLY HAPPY WITH THAT RESULT.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW OF THE PREVIOUS OBLIGATION.

IT WAS JUST AN IDEA WE HAD.

I THINK JOHN PAUL ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH SOME CREATIVE, PROACTIVE IDEAS OF HOW WE COULD WORK TOGETHER TO GET MORE REVENUE.

AND THAT'S THE PLEDGE ROGER AND I HAVE MADE.

I WOULD TELL YOU IN THE FUTURE, I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS THERE IS AN EXPLICIT USE OF THIS, OF HOT FUNDS FOR THIS PURPOSE.

SO FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST OF PROBABLY SEVERAL PARKING GARAGES DOWN THERE THAT IS IDEAL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER BECAUSE YOU CAN USE HOT TO BUILD IT, BUT THE REVENUE IS CLASSIFIED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, MUCH LIKE THE PARK BOARD WITH THEIR ADVERTISEMENT IN THEIR MAGAZINE.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR FUTURE AS IT COMES UP AND ALONG THE LINES OF REVENUE BONDS, YOU HAVE TWO COMPONENT UNITS.

IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO ALWAYS PUSH YOUR DEBT INTO THOSE COMPONENT UNITS SO YOU DON'T TIE UP THE GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT OF THE CITIZENS.

YOU COULD DO REVENUE BONDS AT THE PARK BOARD AS JUST AS EASILY AS THEY COULD TOO.

VERY GOOD GENTLEMEN.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

THAT WAS EASY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

[3.D. Discussion of Structure and Appointments to the Galveston Island Redevelopment Authority (M. Hay/Brown - 10 min)]

WE HAVE MICHELE HAY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR THAT HAS BEEN RESEARCHING WORKING WITH LEGAL ON THE STATUS OF OUR REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, COUNCIL, WE MADE SOME MOVES TO SEPARATE THE RDA FROM THE GALVESTON HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION. AND THAT WAS DONE.

WE HAVE A WORKING GALVESTON HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION BOARD.

WE DO HAVE AN RDA THAT HAS VACANCIES ON THAT.

THAT NEEDS TO BE APPOINTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE DEPENDING ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

CURRENTLY, THE RDA MAINLY MANAGES TIRZ 13, WHICH IS BEACH TOWN.

MICHELE? THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU.

AS MAYOR SAID MICHELE HAY.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY HERE.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND LOOKING THIS AND AS WE EMBARK UPON AN UPDATE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I THINK TODAY I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE, IN ORDER TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD IN PAYING, YOU KNOW, INVOICES AND BILLS AND, AND GETTING THE TAX INCREMENT APPROVED FOR TIRZ 13 THAT WE LOOK TO APPOINT POTENTIALLY STAFF TO MANAGE THIS JUST OPERATIONAL YOU KNOW, DAY TO DAY TASKS. AND THEN AS THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HELPS DIRECT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN REALLY DO WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS AND TOOLS, THEN WE COULD COME BACK AND RE ADDRESS A BIGGER ROLE FOR THE RDA.

BUT I THINK FOR NOW, TIMING BEING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT BILLS WE NEED TO PAY.

WE HAVE INCREMENT COMING UP IN APRIL THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO START LOOKING AT.

MAYBE WE APPOINT STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THESE THERE ARE THREE HOLDOVER MEMBERS THAT WERE INITIALLY ON THE HOUSING FINANCE PROPERTY FINANCE AUTHORITY.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, FIRST OF ALL.

AND THEN THOSE THREE MEMBERS, I KNOW TWO OF THEM PROBABLY HAVE THE PREFERENCE TO BE ON THE HOUSING FINANCE PROPERTY FINANCE AUTHORITY BOARD.

SO WE'LL NEED TO PUT SOME FOLKS ON THERE, PERIOD.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT PEOPLE TEND TO FORGET ABOUT, THE RDA ALSO MANAGES THE PAYMENTS OF THE MONIES IN THE PITS, NOT JUST THE TIRZ.

AND THERE ARE NEW PIDS BEING ESTABLISHED.

[02:00:05]

CORRECT, DAVID. QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY, DON.

ANY LEGAL HURDLES HERE OR ARE WE OKAY? YES. THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET UP THAT THE BOARD OF THE RDA WAS STAFF.

STEVE [INAUDIBLE] WAS ON IT.

SUSIE GREEN WAS ON IT.

BRANDON WADE WAS ON IT.

ALL SORTS OF GHOSTS FROM THE PAST WERE ON IT.

AND FOR A REASON THAT I DO NOT KNOW, CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME SWITCHED OVER TO CIVILIANS.

I CERTAINLY DON'T I CERTAINLY DON'T OBJECT TO CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, BUT THIS BOARD HAS BEEN REMARKABLY INACTIVE.

AND AND I THINK THIS IS JUST PAYING BILLS.

THEY'RE JUST PAYING THE BILLS.

AND, AND THEY AREN'T EXACTLY PAYING THE BILLS.

THEY'RE THEY'RE COMING UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS IN ORDER YOU TO PAY THE BILLS, AM I RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF GOING STRICTLY STAFF ON THIS.

MICHELE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON HOW WE SHOULD MOVE WITH THIS IF COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION? DON, DO WE NEED TO MAKE ORDINANCE CHANGES? WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THAT? I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.

I THINK JUST MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS AND AND YOU'RE THERE.

AND THAT WOULD BE ON OUR MARCH AGENDA IF WE WANTED TO, IDEALLY.

YEAH. THAT WOULD JOHN, WHO ARE THE MEMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THERE? CHRIS ROBB, LEON PHILLIPS AND MARK MCKENNA AND I KNOW LEON [INAUDIBLE].

AND REFRESH MY MEMORY, DID WE SEPARATE THOSE OR DID WE SEPARATE THOSE? YES. THOSE BOARDS, I GUESS THE THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARDS FROM COUNCIL FINANCE AND RDA, WE ALREADY DID THAT.

DO WE HAVE ANY FUTURE PLANS FOR THE RDA BESIDES WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. AND I'M HOPING WHEN WE DO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE, WE CAN PULL THAT IN, YOU KNOW, AS WE UPDATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT DOING THIS IS IT GETS YOU OVER THE HUMP.

WE APPOINT STAFF, WE CAN CONTINUE TO PAY BILLS.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO MEET.

IF THE RDA EVOLVES INTO SOMETHING MORE AGGRESSIVE.

COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS REAPPOINT CITIZENS TO IT OR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY ORDINANCES OR RULES RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET BILLS PAID BECAUSE I THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PIDS, BECAUSE I KNOW, YES, I HAVE PIDS OF MY DISTRICT, THEY'RE LIKE, I THINK THEY'RE ALL IN YOUR DISTRICT AND THAT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE IS NO CHAIR.

I THINK THE, THE RDA OVERSEES THE PIDS.

YEAH. THE ONLY THING THEY OVERSEE IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT PLAN.

I THINK THEY DO IT YEARLY, BUT THAT I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T REALLY.

BUT BUT FOR THE BUT FOR THE TOURS, WE I KNOW FOR THE TOURS.

TOURS BUT THE PIDS, THEY DON'T REALLY DO MUCH WITH THE PID.

I MEAN, THERE'S A NEW PID BEING ESTABLISHED AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ESTABLISHING OR IT'S BEING EXTENDED AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE BECAUSE THE RDA IS NOT THERE IS NO CHAIR.

I WASN'T AWARE I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT EITHER.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S REACHED OUT TO EVEN STAFF TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO I'D LIKE TO. YEAH.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY I WILL.

I WILL REACH OUT.

BUT BUT THE RDA WE'RE CLEAR.

THEY MANAGE THE THEY OVERSEE THE PIDS ALSO.

IS THAT RIGHT [INAUDIBLE].

THEY APPROVE THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT PLANS WRITTEN BY THE PIDS EVERY YEAR.

YEAH. I MEAN A PID IS PRIVATELY OVER, YOU KNOW, WITH OVERSIGHT.

IT HAS PRIVATE OVERSIGHT.

THE THE RDA JUST LOOKS AT THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMIT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CREATION OF IT, IS THERE'S A LOT OF COOL THINGS IN RDA CAN DO.

AND I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

BUT WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE NEED TO JUST GET SOME THINGS DONE.

YEAH. AND I HATE TO I HATE TO TIE UP GOOD VOLUNTEERS JUST PAYING BILLS.

I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY GETTING THINGS DONE.

GOT TO GET WE GOT TO PAY INVOICES TO PAY.

WE NEED WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A QUORUM.

[02:05:03]

Y'ALL LEAVING THE THREE MEMBERS ON THERE AND THEN AND THEN, OR ARE Y'ALL GETTING RID OF THOSE THREE MEMBERS? WELL, AND DOING ALL STAFF? WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I NEED TO CHECK WITH THE MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHICH ONES THEY PREFER TO BE ON, BUT I KNOW TWO FOR SURE WERE HOUSING FINANCE, PROPERTY FINANCE AUTHORITY. THOSE WERE THE ONES THEY KIND OF SIGNED UP FOR.

AND THEN WE ADDED THE RDA TOO AT ONE POINT.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE.

BUT IF WE GO BACK SO AND HERE'S SO CURRENTLY WHAT OUR ARTICLES CALL FOR FIVE BOARD MEMBERS . AND SO WHICH I WANT TO DO IS REMOVE THE CITIZENS FROM THAT BOARD.

WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION AS TO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.

OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, IF Y'ALL I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH LEAVING THOSE THREE ON THERE IF THEY WANT TO STAY ON THERE AND JUST POINTING STAFF TO FULFILL POSITIONS SO Y'ALL CAN RULE THEY CAN'T BE ON BOTH. SO ONCE YOU SEPARATE THEM.

SO NOW IF THEY IF THEY CHOOSE THEY WANT TO BE ON HOUSING FINANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO HOUSING FINANCE AND THEY CAN'T BE ON RDA.

YEAH. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

GIVE THEM THE OPTION RIGHT.

THAT'S OUR PLAN I THINK TWO OF THEM, MICHELE, HAVE ALREADY GENERATED INTEREST IN GOING REALLY GOOD PEOPLE ON ALL OF OUR BOARDS, TYING UP PEOPLE ON A BOARD THAT JUST MEETS EVERY SO OFTEN JUST TO APPROVE THINGS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE TIRZ.

YEAH, THEY THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD.

YOU'RE REALLY YOU'RE REALLY AND YOU'VE HAD SOME REALLY YOU'VE HAD SOME GOOD PEOPLE ON THESE BOARDS THAT WERE TIED UP.

THEY COULDN'T BE ON OTHER THINGS.

SO BUT THAT'S TOTALLY UP TO THEM.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING PULLING ANYBODY.

WE JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM OPTIONS.

VERY GOOD. MICHELE, I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE STAND.

I THINK COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI HAD MENTIONED IF SOME OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WANT TO STAY ON THAT BOARD, THEY COULD.

BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE CLEAN THIS UP IN MARCH TO GET OUR APPOINTMENTS.

I'M SORRY, I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.

YES, Y'ALL BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT ONLY BEING ON CERTAIN BOARDS.

THE THE THE GALVESTON HOUSING AUTHORITY IS A CORPORATION.

YES. CAN YOU YOU CAN, CAN YOU BE ON OTHER BOARDS AND BE ON THAT AND BE IN THAT CORPORATION? NO. Y'ALL SURE ABOUT THAT? [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S COUNCIL APPOINTEES AND COUNCIL.

YOU CAN ONLY BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL TO ONE BOARD.

WELL, THE SAME BOARD MAKES UP GALVESTON HOUSING PROPERTY FINANCE AND PROPERTY AUTHORITY.

SO THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS.

AND THOSE ARE COMBINED.

SO YOU CAN SERVE ON BOTH.

YEAH I'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE.

YEARS AGO THOSE WERE COMBINED.

THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT COMBINED. THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES [INAUDIBLE].

WE SEPARATED THE RDA.

THE THOSE TWO ENTITIES ARE SEPARATE ENTITIES.

YES THEY ARE.

THEY ARE THE SOLE EXCEPTION THAT YOU HAVE TO THE RULE OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SERVE ON MORE THAN ONE.

MR. COLLINS, THAT'S NOT TOTALLY TRUE.

IF IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CORPORATIONS, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

MR. HARDCASTLE IS CHAIRMAN OF THE PARK BOARD AND A MEMBER OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

HE IS ON THERE BY POSITION.

THE PARK BOARD CAN APPOINT WHOEVER THEY WANT TO THAT SO HE IS NOT APPOINTED BY COUNCIL.

HE IS APPOINTED BY THE PARK BOARD TO SERVE IN THAT POSITION.

WE HAVE A MEMBERS THAT HAVE SERVED LIKE ON PLANNING AND THE RDA IN THE PAST.

WELL, THAT WAS ILLEGAL.

[INAUDIBLE] YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD THAT THOSE CORPORATIONS YOU COULD SERVE ON OTHER BOARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE CORPORATIONS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING.

AND IS THERE IS THERE SOMETHING Y'ALL CAN CHANGE? BOTH OF THOSE BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME? I'LL TRY TO TRACK IT DOWN.

I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. YEAH.

OKAY. YOU HAVE THE ELIGIBILITY PORTION, I UNDERSTAND WOULD TALKING ABOUT I AGREE.

AND MICHELE AND DON AND JANELLE ONCE YOU GET THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCILWOMAN LISTOWSKI, WOULD YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS,

[02:10:06]

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR REGULATIONS STATE.

[INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. LET'S MOVE.

THANK YOU. MICHELE, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3E PLEASE, MA'AM.

[3.E. Discussion and Update from the Short Term Rental Task Force (Finklea/Brown - 10 min)]

COUNCILMAN FINKLEA, JANELLE'S GOT A HANDOUT, A ONE PAGE HANDOUT THAT I'D LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND I WILL SPEAK TO BRIEFLY. THANK YOU.

SO MAYOR, AS YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF CONVENED THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS FOR THE PURPOSES OF LOOKING AT OUR CURRENT STATUS OF OPERATIONS RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTAL MANAGEMENT AND IN A VARIETY OF TOPICS. WERE DISCUSSED RELATED TO DATA COLLECTION, MANAGEMENT, ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS ENHANCED ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING REGULATIONS. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU ARE JUST IDEAS.

THESE ARE NOT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL AT THIS TIME.

BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE KIND OF WORKING ON AT THE MOMENT.

THIS TASK FORCE IS COMPOSED OF THE INDIVIDUALS YOU SEE LISTED THAT WERE ATTENDING PLANNING CHAIR RUSTY WALLACE, CLAIRE REISWERG, TIM TIETJENS FROM THE CITY, TAZ JONES, WHO IS WITH JAMAICA BEACH, A COUNCIL PERSON THERE, MARY BRANHAM WINTER BUSH DON I DID I'M SO SORRY, DON NO IT'S NOT AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB AS WELL.

AND REALLY, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CROSS SECTION OF BOTH OWNERS, OPERATORS AND POLICY MAKERS AND STAFF AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB AND I HAVE THE HIGHEST DENSITY OR CONCENTRATION OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY.

AND SO HAVING THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS THERE, I THINK HAS BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE AS WELL.

SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT THESE TO YOU AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY THESE, THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE ACTION ITEMS ARE CURRENTLY MEETING WITH ASSOCIATED INDIVIDUALS.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE IDEA OF AN STR ADMINISTRATOR WE ASKED BRYSON TO START A JOB DESCRIPTION RELATED TO THAT.

HOWEVER, WE FOUND OUT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. BUCKLEY THAT HE PROBABLY GOT A REALLY GOOD RESOURCE OF ALL SORTS OF JOB DESCRIPTIONS RELATED TO ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.

AND SO THE TWO OF THEM ARE GETTING TOGETHER WITH THAT.

THE NEXT ONE IS ABOUT REALLY DATA CLEANUP.

THIS ONE THAT WE SAID HERE WAS MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD THE ABILITY TO BRING THE 24 HOUR, THE 24 HOUR CONTACT INFORMATION INTO COMPLIANCE.

BECAUSE CURRENTLY, WHEN YOU REGISTER AS AN OWNER OR AN OPERATOR AND YOU GIVE YOUR PRIMARY CONTACT, YOU CAN ENTER IN WHATEVER ADDRESS YOU WANT TO AND IT COULD BE WELL, WITHOUT WELL, OUTSIDE THAT ONE HOUR REQUIRED CONTACT.

THEN THE OTHER ONE IS MYSELF AND DON GLYWASKY, ARE ONE.

WE'RE GOING THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF ALL OF THE APPLICABLE COURT CODE OF ORDINANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

AND THEY RESIDE IN A WHOLE HOST OF PLACES, BOTH WITHIN THE STANDARD CODE OF ORDINANCES AS WELL AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS TAKING THOSE AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT SOME BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO ENFORCEMENT FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND WITH THAT, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ENHANCED ENFORCEMENTS THEN WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THESE VIOLATIONS SIDED AGAINST THEM, THE ABILITY TO COME BEFORE SOME SORT OF ADJUDICATION PROCESS, RIGHT, TO, TO, TO SO AN APPEAL BOARD.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, THIS ONE HAS I PRESENTED THIS AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

THIS WAS MAKING LIMITED USE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO ALL STRS, NOT JUST SONAR R3.

AND WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THAT AT THE MOMENT, MAYOR, BECAUSE WE WE WOULD LIKE TO AS I SAID WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY GO THROUGH AND HELP MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF CHANGES.

AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT MAKING THIS SINGLE CHANGE AND THEN COMING BACK AGAIN AND CONSOLIDATING IT IS PROBABLY NOT THE MOST PRUDENT THING TO DO.

THIS NEXT ITEM, THE TASK FORCE HAS A CONSENT, HAD AN IDEA, THE CONSENSUS THAT A NEW OWNER EQUALS A NEW PERMIT.

LEGAL IS LOOKING AT WHAT THIS WHAT THE REAL IMPACT HAS ON EXISTING R0 ZONES AND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS.

THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT WAS THAT UPON THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY IN R0, THAT THE STR REGISTRATION CANNOT BE OBTAINED.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES THAT WERE WRESTLING WITH THIS, YOU FIND THEM ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A FIRM RECOMMENDATION OUT OF OUT OF THE GROUP IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER CONTEMPLATION.

[02:15:06]

YOU KNOW, OWNERS, OPERATORS AND PLATFORMS ALL HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES TO THE EFFECTIVE MANAGEMENT OF SHORT TERM RENTALS.

HOWEVER, THERE'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE TABLE THAT SAYS IF YOU'RE AN OWNER, HERE ARE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO YOU.

IF YOU'RE AN OPERATOR, HERE'S WHAT THEY ARE.

IF YOU ARE A PLATFORM AND YOU'RE COLLECTING REVENUE, HERE'S HERE'S WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.

SO THAT IS THE OTHER FUNCTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN, WHEN THE, WHEN INDIVIDUALS ARE OR COMPANIES WANT TO REGISTER A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THERE'S A VERY CLEAR KIND OF LIKE A HANDBOOK, WHICH THERE'S ALREADY A GUIDELINE IN THE REGISTRATION PROCESS.

BUT THIS TELLS THEM VERY CLEARLY, HERE ARE THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT.

AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL THE WAY FROM COLLECTION OF HOT ALL THE WAY THROUGH ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING REGULATIONS.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE OPERATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

SO COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I WANTED TO TALK UNTIL WE WE HAVE AN EXTREME DISCONNECT RIGHT NOW WITH ONE ENTITY TAKING THE INFORMATION, THE OTHER ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR POLICING THE THE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND MY OPINION THAT ALL NEEDS TO RESIDE IN ONE LOCATION.

RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT'S UNTIL WE WE ATTACK THAT HURDLE.

WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE ISSUES.

SURE, WE CAN DEFINITELY INCLUDE THAT.

AND THE REASON I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IS BECAUSE THAT WAS A SEPARATE COUNCIL DIRECTIVE DIRECTLY TO STAFF.

AND THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO DAN EARLIER THIS WEEK AND ASKED HIM TO KIND OF COME AND AND SPEAK TO HIS PROGRESS ON THAT SUBJECT.

AND I'LL MAKE SURE TO INCLUDE IT, THOUGH, AND TO EXPAND ON THAT THOUGHT.

AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, COUNCIL, WE HAD A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT TO UTILIZE THIS REGISTRATION FEE FOR.

SO COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO COME BACK, I THINK TOWARDS THE END OF MAYBE MAY.

WAS IT DAN? JUNE. YEAH.

BRIAN AGREED TO APRIL AND I KICKED HIM UNDER THE TABLE AND SAID IT PROBABLY MORE LIKELY MID SUMMER.

OKAY. TO COME BACK WITH A COMPLETE PLAN ON HOW THESE FUNDS COULD BE UTILIZED IN ONE OF THE TOPICS WAS BRINGING REGISTRATION BACK TO THE CITY AND HAVING IT ALL FALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THIS INFORMATION BACK.

AND I ALSO VISITED WITH COUNCILMAN FINKLEA.

HE'S GOING TO BE COORDINATING HIS COUNCIL HIS TASK FORCE WITH YOU, DAN, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL ON THE SAME PAGE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH. I'VE ACTUALLY AGREED TO START COMING TO ALL THESE MEETINGS, WONDERFUL, THAT WAY WE'RE NOT RUNNING, YOU KNOW DIRECTLY IN CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.

WE'RE RUNNING MORE PARALLEL.

PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAD A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.

DAN AND I TALKED ABOUT THE REGISTRATION AT THE CITY ITEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB, AS WELL AS THE POTENTIAL USES OF THE REGISTRATION FEE AND A VARIETY OF SOURCES FOR THAT, INCLUDING ONE OF THEM WAS THAT VERY FIRST ONE, THE IDEA OF AN STR ADMINISTRATOR.

SO BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT MR. BUCKLEY AND I WERE CONSIDERING AS WELL.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY KEEPS SAYING DATA, DATA.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DATA.

WELL, THE DATA THAT'S BEING COLLECTED RIGHT NOW BY THE SOFTWARE IS REALLY SORT OF USELESS BECAUSE WHEN THE CALL CENTER IS NOT WORKING WELL, MOST OF THE CALLS STILL GO TO THE NON-EMERGENCY OR TO PRIVATE SECURITY. THE PRIVATE SECURITY IS NOT RELAYING THEIR DATA TO THE DATA BEING COLLECTED.

AND PEOPLE AREN'T.

A CALL WILL BE MADE TO THE CALL CENTER AND NOTHING HAPPENS AND THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCE FOR THAT.

SO I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT DATA, BUT IF IT'S BAD DATA, WE'RE SIMPLY SPINNING OUR WHEELS AND WASTING OUR TIME.

YEAH. JOHN.

DON, HAVE YOU HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THIS REGISTRATION OR THE PERMIT ISSUING ISSUE?

[02:20:10]

SO MUCH. [INAUDIBLE] WHAT DID YOU SAY? WELL, I WAS ASKING IF YOU HAD TIME TO RESEARCH THIS.

I'M LOOKING AT IT.

AND TO ME, THE REGISTRATION IS A LICENSE THAT DOES NOT RUN WITH THE LAND.

AND IT IS REVOCABLE FOR VARIOUS REASONS THAT WE WILL DETERMINE IN THE FUTURE.

THAT'S WHERE I'VE GOTTEN SO FAR.

BUT I THINK THIS IS SPECIFIC TO IF A PROPERTY SELLS, A NEW PERMIT WILL NOT BE ISSUED IF THE PROPERTY IS IN R0, IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, WE HAVE NOT ISSUE A PERMIT BECAUSE OF THAT.

WE HAVE A CONFLICT THERE WITH THE LDR, AND THE LDR SAYS IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING TO A NONCONFORMING USE, THAT NONCONFORMING USE WILL CONTINUE B ASICALLY FOREVER.

AS LONG AS YOU'RE CONTINUING THAT NON CONFORMING USE, IT'S THE SAME AS THE VAPE SHOP.

AND THEN IF YOU NOT QUITE.

AND THEN IF YOU JUST CONTINUE USING IT AS AN STR, YOU STILL HAVE THAT GRANDFATHERED STATUS FOR A YEAR.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE A LICENSE THAT SAYS UNLESS YOU HAVE A LICENSE TO OPERATE, YOU CAN'T OPERATE.

AND I HAVE AN ASSISTANT WHO'S FILING INJUNCTIONS AGAINST PEOPLE FOR OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE.

SO WE HAVE A CONFLICT THERE THAT WE HAVE TO CLEAR UP BETWEEN WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THE LDR. OKAY.

NOW IT IS MY OPINION THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A LAND USE, BECAUSE THE USE OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL IS RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE PER THE COURTS.

SO NO, I THINK YOU MEAN COMMERCIAL DON'T YOU.

[INAUDIBLE] IT'S A IT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE, OKAY.

STRS ARE A RESIDENTIAL USE UNDER THE COURT OPINIONS.

HOWEVER WE HAVE TO LICENSE THEM NOW.

[INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE UNDER OUR ORDINANCES, WE HAVE REQUIRED SOME KIND OF REGISTRATION SINCE I THINK 2015 NUMBER. YEAH. OH, AND ONLY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE WE IMPOSED THE FEE.

SO IT'S MY GUT IS THAT IF WE CHANGE THE PLACE FROM R1 TO R0, IF THE OWNER MAINTAINS OWNERSHIP OF THAT NONCONFORMING PROPERTY AND KEEPS THEIR LICENSE, THEY'RE GOOD. BUT HOWEVER OKAY, IF THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS, I FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET A LICENSE BECAUSE THE LICENSE DOES NOT RUN WITH THE LAND.

IT IS PERSONAL TO THE OWNER, BUT THE SHORT MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH SOME OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WENT TO R0, I WENT TO DONNA ON THIS AND SHE SAID EXPLICITLY THAT THE RENT ABILITY STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY, NOT WITH THE OWNER.

WELL, DONNA'S AN LDR PERSON.

I LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE MORE BROADLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE LDR SAYS.

THAT'S WHY I SAY WE HAVE A CONFLICT AND THAT'S OUR RULE.

THAT'S NOT A STATE RULE, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

NOW THERE'S SOME PROPERTY INTERESTS IMPLIED HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IN TERMS OF THE PERMIT AS A LICENSE, I THINK MOST MOST CITIES ONCE THE PROPERTY SELLS THE RENT ABILITY DOES NOT STAY WITH THE

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AND IF THERE HAVE BEEN LIMITATIONS PUT IN IN THE INTERIM, THEN THAT HOUSE LOSES THE ABILITY TO DO IT.

THAT'S WHERE I WOULD TEND TO GO.

YEAH, I WOULD AGREE.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT THE WAY OUR RULE IS WRITTEN.

THAT'S WHY I SAY WE HAVE A CONFLICT THAT WE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

YEAH WE DON'T.

WELL, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS A SOLUTION.

I WOULD I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL ON HOW WE PROCEED WITH THAT.

OH YEAH. OH YEAH.

OH YEAH.

BECAUSE IT COULD TRIGGER A WHOLE LOT OF.

I OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN A PLACE THAT'S R0.

I WAS THERE BEFORE NOW IT'S R0.

I CAN KEEP OPERATING.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, I KEEP MY LICENSE IN EFFECT.

WE CAN KEEP OPERATING AND I CAN DO IT FOR 20 YEARS IF THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.

SURE. NOW THAT'S ANOTHER SIDE ISSUE.

WELL, YEAH BECAUSE THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE RUN INTO.

SO YOUR PROPERTY IS UNDER I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE UP ABC LLC.

SO WHEN THEY SELL THE PROPERTY THEY SELL THE LLC WITH IT TO KEEP THE [INAUDIBLE].

SO CITIES HAVE WRITTEN NEW LAWS TO DO AWAY WITH THAT AS WELL.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW THIS.

IF WE DO CHANGE SOMETHING HERE WHERE YOU CANNOT GET A PERMIT ANYMORE IN AN R0, THAT'S NOT HOW WE WERE KIND OF SELLING THE REZONING TO AN R0 IN THE PAST.

YOU KNOW, I DID YOU KNOW, SEVERAL OF THESE HAVE HAPPENED IN MY DISTRICT.

IT WAS ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE GRANDFATHERED HOUSES WOULD REMAIN STRS UNLESS THEY DID NOT FULFILL THE YEAR CONTINUED OPERATION, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE UNDER UNDER NEW REGULATIONS AND NOT ALLOWED BUT THAT LDR WAS WRITTEN BEFORE WE EVEN REQUIRED PEOPLE TO REGISTER.

YEAH. THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.

YEAH. BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS BUT BUT BUT BUT JOHN IS CORRECT THAT THAT THE WAY, THE WAY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT AT THE TIME WAS THAT IT STAYED WITH THE HOUSE.

2015. NO, I THINK YOU DID THE OUR PARTICIPATION IN IT THOUGH.

THE REGISTRATION WAS DONE UNDER A PRE PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY.

WELL THE REGISTRATION STARTED BEFORE THE LDR CHANGES.

AND BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THE REGISTRATION FORWARD I MEAN SO I WOULD I WOULD JUST CAUTION THIS, I WOULD BE VERY VERY CAUTIOUS OR VERY, VERY ONE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR THE WORD. I AS WE PROCEED WITH THAT.

OH, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, ANOTHER THING YOU MIGHT WISH TO CONSIDER OR IS HAVING THAT NONCONFORMING USE RUN OUT AFTER 5-10 YEARS SO THAT THEY CAN RECOVER THEIR INVESTMENT BASED EXPECTATION.

AND I ACTUALLY ADVISED MY NEIGHBORS THAT IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING AN R0, I MEAN THAT'S A DIFFICULT TASK TO ACHIEVE IS IF IT'S POSSIBLE WITH YOUR HOA TO CHANGE YOUR DEED RESTRICTIONS AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THE KEY THING WHILE PIRATES COVE, THEY DID THE R0 AND THEY DID THE DEED RESTRICTION AND A COMPANY CHALLENGED THAT AND SUPREME COURT AND PIRATES PREVAILED.

YEAH. SO THE IT THE THE DIFFICULTY OF GOING TO R0, THE MAIN DIFFICULTY IS THE 75%

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THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS THE THAT'S THE CATCH IN THAT BECAUSE SO MANY OF THESE BLOCKS CAN'T MEET THAT SIGNED THE PETITION HAVE TO BE OWNER.

NO, I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK IT'S THEY HAVE TO EITHER DO AFFIDAVIT THEY EITHER HAVE TO DO AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING THEY DO NOT RENT, EVEN IF THEY ARE JUST A PART TIME OCCUPANT OR A FULL TIME.

AND BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN THEY DID IT IN CRASH BOAT BASIN.

YEAH, THE R0S ZEROS ARE WORKING GREAT, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT.

I MEAN, WE WE'RE SEEING ONE TODAY.

I, I FEAR THAT WE COULD LOSE THAT ZONING STATUS IF YOU MESS WITH IT TOO MUCH.

[INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I SUGGEST PEOPLE DO DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THIS.

ASSOCIATIONS. THEY HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.

IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

HOAS DON'T COVER THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE I AGREE, YEAH, BUT IF YOU DO, DEED RESTRICTIONS DON'T EVEN APPLY.

ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS DAVID? NO MAYOR, WE JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE.

YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL DO THIS AT OCCASIONAL INTERVAL INTERVALS.

I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE JOB OF THE TASK FORCE AND THE EFFORTS BY [INAUDIBLE] BE ALIGNED.

AND WE WOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY A SET OF PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS IN JUNE.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME.

I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS NOT JUST A ONE AND DONE.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME, YOU KNOW, GRAB THE LOW HANGING FRUIT AND REALLY FOCUS ON DATA INTEGRITY AND ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING REGULATIONS ON THE FIRST PASS.

SOUNDS GOOD. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

LET'S MOVE. BEFORE WE MOVE COUNCILWOMAN LEWIS HAD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO THE WORKSHOP TABLE AT 10:20.

DID YOU GET WHEN SHE LEFT? YES, SIR, I DID. OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3F, PLEASE, MA'AM.

[3.F. Discussion of Drainage Issues as they relate to ditches and culverts (Robb/Brown - 10 min)]

COUNCILWOMAN ROBB.

OKAY. AND THIS IS GOING TO INVOLVE ROB.

SO IT IS CURRENTLY THE CITY'S PRACTICE IF YOU ARE BUILDING A NEW STRUCTURE, THE CITY IS INVOLVED IN THE PLACEMENT OF THE CULVERT.

THEY PUT DITCHES ON YOUR PROPERTY.

AND LET'S SAY YOU'RE ON A STREET WHERE THERE IS ONLY ONE HOUSE BEING BUILT.

THE OTHER HOUSES HAVEN'T LOTS, HAVEN'T SOLD.

YOU THEN HAVE A CULVERT, DITCHES AND NOWHERE FOR IT TO GO.

AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE DITCHES TO NOWHERE ALL OVER MY DISTRICT.

SO I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE CREATING IS MOSQUITO BEDS.

AND OUR MOSQUITO ISSUE IS ALREADY HORRENDOUS.

AND IT'S JUST CREATING SUCH A PROBLEM.

I MEAN, WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE HOUSES ARE BUILT AND WE HAVE DITCHES THAT GO NOWHERE, SO IT'S JUST STAGNANT WATER IN THE DITCHES ALL THE TIME.

WE HAVE NEW HOUSES BEING BUILT.

AND THEN IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

I THINK IT WAS IN BAY HARBOR AND PERHAPS IN SEA ISLE, WHERE THE CITY TOLD THEM THEY WERE GOING TO SEND OUT LETTERS, REQUIRE PEOPLE TO PUT THE CORRECT SIZE CULVERTS IN WHICH EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, GREAT, WE CAN AT LEAST RESOLVE THE PROBLEM.

AND APPARENTLY THAT KIND OF THAT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND NOTHING'S HAPPENED.

RIGHT. SO OBVIOUSLY WITH THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN BEING ON THE CUSP OF BEING COMPLETED ROBERT WINIECKE, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND ENGINEERING, AGAIN FOR THE CITY.

SO AS I MENTIONED, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO AS THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN IS COMPLETED WHAT THE CONSULTANT LOOKED AT IS A NUMBER OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE HAVE INCOMPLETE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. AND YOU MAY HAVE AN UNDERSIZED CULVERT BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT 20 YEARS AGO THEN YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT YESTERDAY, AND YOU'VE GOT A MISMATCHING CULVERTS AND YOU'VE GOT DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS. SO EXCUSE ME, AS THEY WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPING THIS, SOME OF THE LONG TERM SOLUTIONS THAT THEY HAVE ARE TO REPLACE THOSE CULVERTS ALONG THE WHOLE STRETCH

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SO THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD OVER TIME IS BY NOT HAVING A LARGE SUBDIVISION COME IN AND THEY DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN ONE POINT IN TIME, THEY JUST DO THE STREETS AND THE WATER AND SEWER, BUT THEN THEY DON'T GO AHEAD AND DO DRAINAGE, AND THAT'S ALLOWED FOR EVERY DRIVEWAY TO COME IN WHEN THEY DEVELOP EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT IS YOU HAVE THIS NETWORK OF ONE HAPPENING HERE, THEN YOU GET A GAP, THEN YOU GET ANOTHER ONE.

SO YOU HAVE THOSE INCONSISTENT DITCHES.

WHAT THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN IS RECOMMENDING AS SOME OF THE PROJECTS WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY COME IN AND ACTUALLY COMPLETE THOSE DITCHES.

SO TO KEEP THE DITCHES GOING IN, IT'S KIND OF A VITAL THING BECAUSE IF WE CUT OFF THE DRAINAGE, YOU DO HAVE ISSUES WHERE WATER STANDS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW.

AND PART OF THE ISSUE, TOO, WAS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE POURING CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS AND THEN WE COME IN AND WE WANT TO PUT A CULVERT IN, AND THEY WANT US TO REPLACE THEIR CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THAT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT ALSO JUST CREATING, I GET THAT, DITCH HOLES THAT GO NOWHERE.

I MEAN, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.

WE HAVE THIS ISSUE PIRATES.

THERE ARE PIRATES BEACH WEST, JUST A BUNCH OF DITCHES THAT GO ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE HUGE COMPLICATION THAT CAME ON TOP OF THAT WHEN 3005 WAS RAISED BY TXDOT, AND THEY WERE GOING TO FIX ALL THE FALLOUTS, AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

SURE. WELL, I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WE ALSO HAVE IS WHEN PIRATES BEACH WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, I BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTY AT THE TIME, AND IT WAS MOSTLY SET TO DRAIN TO THE BEACH, NOT 2305.

SO 3005 WAS ACTUALLY A LAND BARRIER AT THAT POINT.

SO WE'RE FIGHTING THAT NOW, WHICH MEANS THE DITCHES HAVE TO GET DEEPER IN ORDER TO GET ACROSS 3005 SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

LIKE [INAUDIBLE] BAY HARBOR WE JUST HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF STANDING WATER, AND WE HAVEN'T FELT IT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS BECAUSE WE WERE IN A DROUGHT.

ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE NO LONGER IN A DROUGHT.

YEAH. DAVID, CAN I ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION? DID YOU DISCUSS THIS WITH STAFF BEFORE YOU BROUGHT THIS TO THE COUNCIL AGENDA? YES, I DID, AND THEN WHO DID YOU DISCUSS IT WITH, IF I MAY ASK? I TALKED TO MANAGEMENT I'VE TALKED TO DAN ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TALKING YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES IN YOURS? WHEN I DO, GUESS WHAT I DO? I TALK TO STAFF.

I TALK TO STAFF TOO, AND NOBODY'S GIVEN ME AN ANSWER.

THEY'RE TELLING ME THEY'RE GOING TO DIG DITCHES, PUT IN CAULDRONS, AND THEY GO NOWHERE.

WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO LIVE WITH MOSQUITO DITCHES IS THERE A TIMELINE? CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME KIND OF PLAN? SO WHAT I CAN DO IS WHEN THE MASTER PLAN IS COMPLETE, WE BRING THAT FINALLY FORWARD WITH ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THERE, THEN, YES, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A TIME FRAME ON WHICH PROJECTS MOVE FORWARD FIRST AND HOW THESE GET IMPLEMENTED AS WE GO FORWARD.

OKAY, I'D APPRECIATE THAT THE MAIN ISSUE IS, IS THAT WE ASK PEOPLE WHEN THEY PUT IN A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING TO PUT THE CULVERT UNDERNEATH IT, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME CUT UP THEIR CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, PUT IN A ROCK DRIVEWAY, AND I GUESS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT WE ACTUALLY PUT THE CULVERT IN.

YEAH. THE CITY ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THE CITY HAS TO INSTALL THE CULVERTS.

YES. THAT'S AN OLD ORDINANCE FROM 1982 THAT SAYS THAT'S EXACTLY WE'RE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS END UP WITH A SITUATION LIKE WE HAVE IN SEATTLE, WHERE EVERYBODY HAS DONE THEIR OWN.

AND I'VE GOT EVERYTHING FROM FOUR INCH PIPE TO 30 INCH PIPE UNDERNEATH PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS.

AND I AGREE. AND WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN.

YES, EXACTLY. TWO YEARS AGO WE CAME UP WITH A PLAN OR THREE YEARS APPARENTLY, AND THEN THAT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO BE SENT A LETTER AND THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS IT AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENED.

WELL, ANY MISCOMMUNICATION CAME OUT OF THAT PROBABLY CAME BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN CAME UP AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING THAT.

SO IN ORDER TO NOT DUPLICATE THE EFFORT.

WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT SOUND REASONING BEHIND WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO THESE THINGS OUT OF THE MASTER, AND WE ALSO DECIDED TO LET'S LET THE PLAN DICTATE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO, RATHER THAN MAKING PEOPLE DO THINGS AND THEN MAKING THEM DO IT AGAIN.

CORRECT. WE DON'T WANT TO TEAR UP PEOPLE'S CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS TWICE.

RIGHT. SO JUST LOOKING FROM THE OUTSIDE IN, IF I OWNED A PIECE OF LAND THAT HAD A DITCH THAT WENT TO NOWHERE, WHY WOULDN'T I, AS A LANDOWNER, DIG DOWN

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BECAUSE YOU'D GET ARRESTED BY THE CITY.

IT WOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW.

WHY WOULD IT BE AGAINST THE LAW? YOU DON'T HAVE TO DIG THAT DEEP.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN SEA OF ISLE, AND THEY ARE THEY'RE JUST THESE BIG MOSQUITO, YOU KNOW, INFESTATIONS.

BUT I MEAN, THE WATER SITTING UP SO HIGH AND WHERE THE ACTUAL WATER, YOU KNOW, SEA LEVEL IS, IS TOTALLY TWO DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS.

I MEAN, TO ME, I WAS A LITTLE MORE SOLVABLE BECAUSE WE CAN GET TO A CANAL, RIGHT? AND MOST, MOST OF IT, NOT ALL OF IT.

MARIE, DID YOU GET GET YOUR THINGS OUT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. BUT OUR MAIN GOAL HERE IS, I MEAN, WE'RE FINE WITH WHATEVER.

WE JUST DON'T WANT.

I DON'T WANT TO TELL A HOMEOWNER.

YEAH, GO AHEAD AND PUT IN YOUR CONCRETE DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN WE COME BACK WITH THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN, AND WE SAY, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE RIPPING UP YOUR DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? AND. WELL, YEAH. AND THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN IT WAS REALLY BACK ORDERED.

BUT NOW BUT WE JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF DITCHES THAT GO ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SIDEWALKS THE SAME WAY WE WERE [INAUDIBLE] WE GOT WE GOT ADA RAMPS THAT WAY.

YEAH, YEAH YEAH.

RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU.

JANELLE, LET'S GO TO 3G, PLEASE.

[3.G. Discussion of Policy Governing Council Member Meetings with Governmental Agencies (Bouvier/Brown - 15 min)]

COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER.

SO I WAS TALKING TO MAYOR, AND I WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT WHAT POLICIES WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER GOES TO A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY AND SETS UP A MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, IS THIS AN APPROPRIATE THING TO DO? DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY POLICIES IN PLACE FOR THIS.

SO I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO SEE IF WE WANT TO ESTABLISH POLICIES FOR THIS SITUATION.

AND SO WHAT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS, IS A REPRESENTATIVE OF CITY COUNCIL GOING TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.

AND THE MEETING GETS MISUNDERSTOOD AS DIRECTION BY COUNCIL OR EVEN THE VOICE OF THE CITY OR THE VOICE OF THE CITY.

I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PREVENT THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSES OF SALLY.

RIGHT. AND THE LEGISLATIVE KIND OF OUR HELP THERE.

IS SHE THE OFFICIAL COMMUNICATOR OF CITY POLICIES TO STATE AGENCIES OR HOW DOES THAT GET DONE? SHE IS OKAY.

SHE IS NOW I THINK MIKE AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

THE THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT I THINK MIKE, IN HIS SECOND STATEMENT IN MY MIND IS THE SALIENT POINT.

COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL AND THEY CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE CITY THE ONLY GROUP THAT CAN DO THAT IS A VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL. NOW, FACT FINDING AND EDUCATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL INFORMATION, THAT'S ONE THING.

AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DELINEATE WHAT GROUPS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I VISIT WITH THE PORT.

I TESTIFY AT WINDSTORM ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL.

NO, I TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND MY CONSTITUENTS WHO ASKED ME TO TESTIFY.

AS AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

HIGH. SO WHEN YOU GO AND YOU TESTIFY, I TESTIFY AS MARIE ROBB, PERIOD.

I MEAN, IS THAT AN ISSUE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ON WHEN WE TALK TO THESE AGENCIES.

ABSOLUTELY. ON ON WHAT WE'RE THERE FOR AND WHO WE'RE THERE FOR, RIGHT? I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MARIE SAYING THAT, HEY, ON BEHALF OF MY CONSTITUENTS IN DISTRICT EIGHT, THESE ARE THE THE FEELINGS OF MY DISTRICT.

BUT WHAT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS IF SHE SAID SOMETHING LIKE AS AS AS A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO

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NEITHER STAFF NOR AN INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBER, EVEN TWO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN DO THAT.

AND I ALWAYS STATE THAT VERY CLEARLY WHEN WE MEET.

BUT YEAH, TWO THINGS.

ONE, NO COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BE DIRECTING STAFF TO SET UP A MEETING WITH OR ATTEND A MEETING WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY DIRECTLY. I MEAN, IF COUNCIL SAYS, BRIAN, YOU SHOULD BE MEETING WITH TXDOT ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE WE ANTICIPATE THAT, RIGHT? WE ANTICIPATE YOU TALKING TO STAFF AND A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.

BUT IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE GOING AND MEETING WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO KNOW THAT, RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A STAFF TO STAFF CONVERSATION THAT GOES ON BETWEEN ALL THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES THAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND HOW IT WORKS.

BUT ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKE POLICY, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE CARRYING THE POLICY BALL WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO OTHER ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU DO.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THE MAYOR'S CONVERSATION IN THIS IS AN EXCEPTION THAT THE MAYOR DOES SPEAK FOR THE CITY.

HE DOES PRETTY MUCH THE CHARTER.

THE MAYOR IS NO DIFFERENT THAN COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I THINK DON HAS WEIGHED IN ON THAT.

EXCUSE ME. DON, WHAT DID YOU SAY? THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES THE MAYOR FROM THE REST OF YOU, ASIDE FROM BEING ELECTED ISLAND WIDE, IS THAT HE IS GIVEN SOME AUTHORITY TO APPEAR IN A CEREMONIAL SENSE.

ASIDE FROM THAT, HE'S JUST A SINGLE MEMBER OF COUNCIL.

RIGHT. AND ABSENT AS A BODY CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL, HE SETS THE AGENDA.

THAT'S THAT'S ALSO TRUE.

OKAY, BUT I NONE OF US SHOULD BE MEETING INDIVIDUALLY WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS OR.

PARDON ME, YOU CAN MEET WITH ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL.

YOU'RE LIKE, THAT'S YOU'RE A CITIZEN, YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT SHOULDN'T BE MEETING WITH STAFF OF OTHER AGENCIES, GIVING THOSE STAFF MEMBERS THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU SPEAK FOR THE CITY OR YOU'RE BRINGING DIRECTION FROM THE CITY, THAT THAT THAT JUST SEEMS A NO BRAINER TO ME.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT.

RIGHT? NO, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

BUT I MEAN, NOBODY HEARS EX-OFFICIO TO THE STATE, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

BUT I ALSO THINK IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A FACT FINDING OR A SCHEDULE MEETING, IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE OR IT HAS TO BE ANNOUNCED TO THE REST OF COUNCIL WHAT'S GOING ON, TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE WANT TO ATTEND IT.

THAT'S CALLED COURTESY, RIGHT? [INAUDIBLE] AND THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.

I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY FORMALIZE A POLICY ON, YOU KNOW, THE INS AND OUTS OF MEETING WITH STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES AND GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES. WE DO NOT HAVE A POLICY ON THIS WHEN MIKE AND I TALKED ABOUT IT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A POLICY.

I WOULD JUST REMIND COUNCIL, THESE THINGS ARE VERY YOU YOU HAVE TO REALLY RELY.

IT'S LIKE A WALKING QUORUM.

YOU CAN SAY YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A WALKING QUORUM, BUT YOU HAVE TO RELY UPON THAT COUNCIL MEMBER TO UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS WHEN IT'S A WALKING QUORUM.

WELL, YES. SIMILAR TO LIKE THE RECENT MEETING WHERE JOHN PAUL, FINKLEA, AND BOUVIER MET ON ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT TECHNICALLY IS CONSIDERED A WALKING QUORUM.

AND OTHER COUNCIL PERSON WEREN'T MADE AWARE OF SPEAKERS].

WELL, LIKE YOU GOING TO MEET WITH THE HEAD OF THE PORT OF HOUSTON THAT WASN'T ANNOUNCED TO COUNCIL.

I'M FINE. IF WE SET A POLICY, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU IF YOU THINK THAT WAS WRONG, THEN LET'S SET A POLICY, MAKE IT CLEAR ON WHAT YOU WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE, AND WE ALL FOLLOW IT.

YES, SHARON, AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION, I HEARD THE MAYOR SAY THAT WE COULD GO FOR INFORMATION OR EDUCATIONAL

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BUT IF I WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE, I LET HIM KNOW.

AND THE STAFF.

CITY STAFF? YES, IN THE CITY STAFF.

SO ANYTHING I KNOW BUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF THERE'S WHAT IS IT THE GALVESTON COUNTY AREA.

WHATEVER. I'VE GONE TO THOSE MEETINGS.

SO WAS I SUPPOSED TO SAY, HEY, I WENT TO THAT MEETING? SO, I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT DO WE NOT HAVE THE LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE OR INTELLIGENCE TO SAY, IF I'M GOING TO THIS ONE, THEN MAYBE.

NO, BUT IF I'M GOING TO THIS ONE, I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE TO ALWAYS CREATE A LITTLE RULE, A LITTLE GUIDELINE THAT REALLY, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO BE FOLLOWED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, BUT I JUST HEARD MARIE GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF WAS THAT OKAY? WHAT? AND I'M NOT TRYING TO POINT YOU OUT.

FOR ONE, I WASN'T THERE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AT ALL.

NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WELL, INTERPRETATIONS I DON'T THINK AS THE AS THE MAYOR SAID, THE COUNCIL FUNCTIONS AS A WHOLE. HE HAS NO DIFFERENT POWER THAN WE DO.

I MEAN, HE DOES WHERE HE CAN CALL A MEETING, BUT I MEAN, AS FAR AS SPEAKING, BUT THE MAYOR HAS A NUMBER OF MEETINGS WITH TXDOT THAT NONE OF US ARE INVOLVED IN.

I GO TO I GO TO WINDSTORM MEETINGS TO TALK ABOUT NOT RAISING OUR RATES.

YOU GO TO WELL, I, I'M JUST NOT SO SURE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH A POLICY THAT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT WE FEEL THAT WE WANT TO COVER. I THINK WE NEED TO RELY UPON OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER CANNOT SPEAK FOR THE CITY, NOR SPEAK FOR COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO WORK WITH STAFF.

AND, BRIAN, YOU COULD GUIDE US ON WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WOULD BE ON SCHEDULING MEETINGS.

YOU ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE RULES, AND WE WILL REMIND COUNCIL MEMBERS ALL THE TIME.

WE ARE CONCERNED THIS MAY BE A CHARTER VIOLATION OR THIS MAY BE AN ISSUE FOR US.

WE'RE HAPPY TO HANDLE IT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING YOU GUYS NEED.

YOU KNOW THAT. SO WE TRY TO WE TRY TO RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER THAT.

AND DON'S A BIG HELP TO US ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I'LL PUNT IT AND I'LL SAY, LET ME CHECK WITH DON, MAKE SURE WE CAN DO THIS.

SO BUT IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO SPEAK WITH TXDOT OR WHATEVER, DO THEY WORK THROUGH YOU TO SET THAT APPOINTMENT UP? WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? BRIAN I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AND WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO DO THAT.

I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES INVOLVING THE CITY, THAT STAFF BE INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS, BECAUSE WE'RE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, AND WE HAVE THE FACTS BASED BEHIND WHAT THE WORK IS AND WHAT WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE.

NOW, WHETHER YOU WANT COUNCIL PEOPLE ATTENDING THOSE MEETINGS OR NOT, THAT'S A POLICY ISSUE DECIDED BY THIS BODY, NOT NOT ME.

BUT I MEAN, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BEEN THE ISSUE WE HAD ON 3005.

AND I WENT TO BRIAN AND I SAID, WE NEED TO SIT DOWN WITH TXDOT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY NOW THE WATER IS BACKING UP INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THERE'S AN ISSUE.

AND THE CITY SET UP THE MEETING AND WE TALKED TO TXDOT, AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY HAD LEFT 35 DAMS IN THAT WE NEVER WOULD HAVE FOUND OUT ABOUT IF THAT MEETING HADN'T HAPPENED.

THAT WAS ALL SET UP BY CITY MANAGER.

AND YOU ALL WOULD HAVE BEEN WELCOME TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT PROBLEM.

RIGHT. THAT IS AN EFFECT PROBLEM.

RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

THERE'S THERE'S FLOODING.

YOU GET A HOLD OF THE CITY.

THE CITY GETS A HOLD OF TXDOT.

YOU HAVE A MEETING OUT THERE BASED UPON YOUR DISTRICT, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND WE'LL GET SPECIFIC, I GUESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM GLO, RIGHT? SO I DON'T THINK THAT A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN SET UP A MEETING INDIVIDUALLY TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE GLO ABOUT PLACEMENT OF SAND WITHOUT THE REST OF THE CITY COUNCIL BEING INVOLVED AND UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWING WHAT WE'RE TALKING

[02:55:10]

OKAY, SO THAT'S THE POLICIES I'M I'M REFERRING TO.

AND I WOULD SAY THIS, IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THESE YEARS THAT WHEN YOU TALK AS A COUNCIL MEMBER SOMETIMES IT'S HARD FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS TO SEPARATE THAT YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR COUNCIL OR YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY.

THEY PUT A LOT OF A LOT OF STRENGTH BEHIND YOUR POSITION AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

SO IT'S HARD AND YOU ALMOST HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION TO SAY, I DO NOT SPEAK FOR COUNCIL OR THE CITY. OR IF YOU MAKE THE MEETING, YOU HAVE TO BRING A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE WITH YOU FROM THE CITY THAT WILL ANY TIME ANY MEETINGS HAPPEN, THERE'S ALWAYS CITY REPRESENTATIVES OR WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS THE CITY HAS TO SET UP MEETINGS WITH ENTITIES. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. DAVID, I'LL SAY IT OUT LOUD AGAIN.

THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS TOGETHER HAVING A MEETING IS NOT A WALKING QUORUM.

IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA EITHER.

WELL, I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT.

AND ONE THING I DO AGREE WITH IS THAT IT'S HARD SOMETIMES FOR WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER IS PRESENT FOR THE AGENCY NOT TO.

THEY LOOK TO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AS ELECTED OFFICIAL IS CORRECT.

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES IT'S A 4-3 VOTE AROUND HERE TO WISH SOMEBODY A HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

SO THEY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCILS WORK AND COMMUNICATE SOMETIMES SO THAT THAT THAT SOMETIMES CAN BE THE CASE.

HOWEVER, I WILL TELL YOU AND ANYBODY, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S BEEN IN A MEETING WITH ME WILL KNOW THAT.

I IMMEDIATELY SAY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, STAFF IS HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OPERATIONAL ISSUES, BUT THAT WE DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE FOR THE COUNCIL, AND THAT COUNCIL HAS NOT WEIGHED IN ON THIS YET.

AND I WILL MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR UP FRONT.

RIGHT. AND SO WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS THAT MARIE HAD A MEETING WITH THE GLO AND SET THIS UP WITHOUT ANYBODY ELSE KNOWING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNEW THAT THERE WAS A MEETING THAT HAPPENED A WEEK AGO WITH THE GLO, AND ONLY MARIE AND MARIE HAS STATED THE THE CITY STAFF WAS THERE.

THE PARK BOARD WAS INVITED.

I WAS THE LIAISON.

DID I GET [INAUDIBLE]? THEY THEY WERE THE ONES THAT SENT OUT THE INVITATION.

I DIDN'T SET THE MEETING UP.

WE INVITED WHOEVER COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, SAID WAS INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT.

SO WE DID. OKAY.

. GOOD PLAN. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA, SHARON.

NO, I LIKE THAT BECAUSE WE JUST SOLVED AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY COMING OUT P ERSONALLY, I'M BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

I DIDN'T TRYING NOT TO MAKE IT PERSONAL.

I'M TRYING TO PUT IT OUT THERE, BUT THEN IT JUST WASN'T STICKING.

AND SO I WENT AHEAD AND MADE IT PERSONAL.

AND THAT WAS GREAT BECAUSE THAT GAVE A SOLUTION, THAT GAVE A SOLUTION.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT AGAIN.

OH, OKAY. I THINK YOU INTERRUPTED ME, BRIAN.

MY POINT WAS, WE SOLVED A PROBLEM THAT ONCE THE TRUTH, WHEN WE GET TO IT, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO SOLVE IT.

BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL POLICY OR GUIDELINE.

WE SHOULD WE SHOULD KNOW.

SO NOW WE KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE WAS AND WE'VE SOLVED IT.

I THINK.

MIKE THIS WAS YOUR ITEM BRINGING UP.

DO YOU WANT TO PURSUE HAVING A POLICY? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT FOR THE BOARD OR FOR THE COUNCIL.

I WOULD STILL LIKE TO PURSUE IT AS POLICY.

BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CONSENSUS FROM CITY COUNCIL, THEN SO BE IT.

WE DON'T GO ANY FURTHER.

ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THIS AS A POLICY.

I MEAN, I'M I'M FINE WITH SEEING SOME GUIDELINES IN WRITING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON IT OR IF YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE SOME GUIDELINES OR JUST A GUIDELINE MIGHT BE I THINK RATHER THAN HAVING A FORMAL POLICY, I MIGHT BE HELPFUL.

AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF AN ELECTION AND WE MAY WE WILL HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE A SET OF GUIDELINES.

SO A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER ISN'T SIDELINED WHEN THEY REQUEST A MEETING AND THEY SEE THAT I'VE COPIED THE PARK BOARD REPRESENTATIVE, OR I'VE COPIED THE WHARVES BOARD

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SURE. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S DO YOU NOT HAVE A COUNCIL MANUAL? OH NO, I HAVE A COUNCIL MANUAL.

OKAY. THERE YOU GO. LET'S INSERT IT IN THERE.

CAN WE JUST INSERT IT IN THERE? GUIDELINES PUT TOGETHER.

I MIGHT HAVE A DRAFT LYING AROUND THAT WE'LL LOOK AT.

I THINK YOU MAY DON AND I TALKED ABOUT THESE GUIDELINES, BUT IF WE COULD GET THOSE GUIDELINES TO COUNCIL.

COUNCIL REVIEW THESE IF WE FEEL WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE POLICY, WE CAN.

BUT LET'S LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES ON THIS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS IN WRITING BACK UP IN JUNE.

THANK YOU. I LIKE JUNE THAT'S A GREAT PLAN.

ALL RIGHT, JOHN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COUNCIL WE HAVE GONE THROUGH IT'S 11:05 OR SO, 11:06 I LIKE THE 8:00 MEETING START TIME.

I DON'T.

I DON'T EITHER.

IT IS 11:06 WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.

WHEN DOES THE FOOD ARRIVE JANELLE? 11:30, I BELIEVE.

11:30. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE ADJOURNED COUNCIL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.