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I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE 23 LC-056, ALONG WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

[Landmark Commission on January 8, 2024.]

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I'LL SECOND. SARAH HAS SECONDED IT.

DISCUSSION. NO.

ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. PASSES. OKAY, MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. A. UH, DISCUSSION.

THE 2015 SURVEY.

CHIP, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HANG OUT.

YOU CAN CHECK IT IF YOU WANT.

THANK YOU. SIR. UM, THE 2015 SURVEY NONCONTRIBUTING STATUS.

I HAVE A POWERPOINT THAT WE CAN GO OVER THAT JUST TALKS.

JUST A KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF CONFORMING AND NON-CONFORMING STATUSES.

UM, AND THE SURVEY.

SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION, ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE.

OKAY. SO HISTORIC DISTRICTS THEY ARE A MIX OF CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.

UH, THE TERM ARE USED TO ASSESS THE ROLE OF HISTORIC OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

SO THE TWO REGULAR, UH, THE TWO TERMS ARE CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING.

SO CONTRIBUTING IS A RESOURCE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE DISTRICT'S HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE THROUGH LOCATION, DESIGN, SETTING, MATERIALS, WORKMANSHIP, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. UM, AND THEN NONCONTRIBUTING IS A BUILDING OBJECT, SITE OR STRUCTURE WHICH DOESN'T DO THAT.

UM, SO YOU IT'S CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS ARE IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT PROMOTE THE DISTRICT ARE WHY THE DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED AND NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS ENDED UP WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES. BUT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO THEM.

THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT.

IT SOUNDS A LITTLE HARSH, BUT THAT CAN BE, UM, DUE TO DATE OF CONSTRUCTION OR ALTERATIONS OR IF THERE'S A VACANT LOT OR THERE'S LOT, A VACANT LOT, A VACANT LOT, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE NONCONTRIBUTING.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE DETERMINATION IS DONE THROUGH, UM, A HISTORIC SITE SURVEY.

AND WE HAVE, UM, THESE ARE THE DATES OF THE SURVEYS THAT WE HAVE FOR EACH OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

UM, SO THE EAST END HAS THE MOST IT'S THE OLDEST HISTORIC DISTRICT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO STRAND MECHANIC.

THE MOST RECENT SURVEY WE DID WAS IN 2015.

UM, THAT WAS OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

WE HAVEN'T SURVEYED THE DOWNTOWN SINCE 2006, WHICH I WAS DISTRESSED TO SEE WHEN WE I PUT THIS TOGETHER.

SO, UM, YOU SHOULD BE DOING SURVEYS PERIODICALLY BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE.

EVEN IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE SEE CHANGE.

UM, SO WE WILL BE ON TRACK.

WE'RE OVERDUE, OBVIOUSLY, FOR STRAND MECHANIC, BUT WE SHOULD BE ON TRACK, UH, TO DO A TEN YEAR UPDATE, UM, IN 2025 OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

WE TYPICALLY DO OUR SURVEY WORK FUNDED THROUGH THE TEXAS HISTORIC COMMISSION, THE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM HAS A GRANT PROGRAM THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN ACHIEVING GRANTS.

THEY ARE PERFORMED BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROFESSIONALS, WHICH ARE SELECTED THROUGH AN RFP REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS.

THE LAST SURVEY, AND ACTUALLY MANY OF OUR SURVEYS WERE DONE BY HARDY, HECK AND MOORE, WHICH ARE NOW KNOWN AS HHM.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK ONLY MOORE IS STILL WITH THE COMPANY.

UH, THEY ARE VERY WELL RESPECTED HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUP.

THEY WORK ALL OVER THE STATE AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, BUT THEY'RE BASED IN AUSTIN.

UM, SO THE SURVEY REPORT.

UH, SO THIS IS WHAT THE SURVEY INCLUDES.

IT INCLUDES THE REPORT THAT INCLUDES THE METHODOLOGY THAT THEY USED FOR DETERMINING CONFORMING AND NON-CONFORMING STATUSES, SURVEY SHEETS AND THEN BACKUP DATA.

SO EACH, UM, BUILDING IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS A DEDICATED SHEET WHICH, UH, COLLECTS A BUNCH OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUILDING.

BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

TRY TO GET RID OF THAT BOX.

MARINA, CAN YOU SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT GO AWAY? IS IT THIS ONE? SOMETIMES IT'S NOT VERY RESPONSIVE.

OKAY. SO THANK YOU.

AT THE VERY TOP OF THE SURVEY IN THAT GRAY BOX, ALTHOUGH IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, IT INCLUDES THE PRIORITY RATING.

THE PRIORITY RATINGS ARE HIGH, MEDIUM AND LOW.

BOTH HIGH AND MEDIUM ARE CONTRIBUTING, ARE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING AND THEN LOW IS NO NONCONTRIBUTING.

SO A BUILDING THAT'S HIGH IS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THE BISHOP'S PALACE, SOMETHING THAT'S INDIVIDUALLY IMPORTANT OR LIKE A NICHOLAS CLAYTON.

RIGHT? YES. SOMETHING THAT HAS ITS OWN SIGNIFICANCE.

AND THEN A MEDIUM BUILDING IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S SUPPORTING THE OTHER STRUCTURES.

SO IT'S NOT, AS YOU KNOW, LIKE HIGH STYLE AS, UM, AS BISHOP'S PALACE.

OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECT LIKE OTHER CLAYTON BUILDINGS.

HERE'S A BREAKDOWN OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES THROUGH THE DISTRICTS AND THEIR THE PERCENTAGE IS ABOUT THE SAME.

EAST END AND SILK STOCKING ARE 13%.

LOST BAYOU IS A LITTLE HIGHER AT 19%.

LOST BAYOU IS OUR YOUNGEST HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT HAD THE MOST AMOUNT OF CHANGE BEFORE IT BECAME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.

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SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NUMBERS.

SO I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER BAKER HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SILK STOCKING.

SO I PUT IN SOME, UM, EXAMPLES SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SILK STOCKING.

UM, SO HERE ARE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS IN THE SILK STOCKING DISTRICT THAT ARE NONCONTRIBUTING AND WHY THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING.

SO I THINK WE LOOK AT THIS ONE AND WE KNOW THIS IS NOT A SILK STOCKING HOUSE.

THIS IS A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 1970S.

SO THIS IS NOT CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT IT'S IT'S TOO YOUNG TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT.

BUT THEN YOU GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND THIS ONE'S A LITTLE SURPRISING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OLDER HOUSE FOR SURE.

UM, BUT IT IS DETERMINED IN THE SURVEY TO BE NONCONTRIBUTING DUE TO ITS DATE OF CONSTRUCTION ALSO BEING OUTSIDE OF THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.

IT'S CLOSER TO THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, BUT IT'S STILL OUTSIDE OF IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SILK STOCKING, YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE WONDERFUL QUEEN ANNE HOUSES THAT ARE ON 25TH AND 24TH STREETS.

YOU'RE NOT PARTICULARLY THINKING ABOUT THIS DUTCH COLONIAL, AS ADORABLE AS IT IS.

SO WOULD YOU SAY THE 1920S, UNLESS IT'S REALLY SIGNIFICANT? YES. OKAY.

BECAUSE LIKE THE. SO I'M I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. THE ONE THAT'S AT ZERO AND 25TH IS CONSIDERED HIGH.

RIGHT. SO THAT ONE'S HIGH BECAUSE IT'S SUCH HIGH STYLE.

PROBABLY. I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THAT ONE THOUGH.

OKAY. SO MY HOME IS A 1922, UH, CRAFTSMAN INSPIRED I WOULD SAY.

AND I'M CONTRIBUTING.

SO I AND SO I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THIS 2401 AVENUE N AND THAT'S ONE THAT WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A SILK STOCKING NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MIGHT WANT TO QUESTION A LITTLE FURTHER.

UM, CERTAINLY THE 1970S IS OBVIOUS, BUT I THINK THE 20S IS IF NOTHING ELSE, AT LEAST THEY'VE BEEN INCONSISTENT. YEAH, I THINK THAT IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

WHEN I GOT TO THIS ONE, I WAS SURPRISED FOR SURE.

UM, BUT GO THROUGH A COUPLE MORE.

UM, AND TALK ABOUT THEM.

UH, THIS ONE IS ON 24TH STREET.

IT'S NONCONTRIBUTING DUE TO ALTER.

SO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S AN OLD HOUSE BACK THERE HERE, BUT IT'S HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT ALTERATIONS HERE ON THE FRONT.

AND SO A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THESE.

AGAIN THIS IS AN OLD HOUSE BUT IT'S BEEN CHANGED A LOT.

A LOT OF THESE WINDOWS ARE CHANGED.

THINGS CHANGED.

UH, IT'S SEEN A LITTLE TOO MUCH CHANGE TO BE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING.

RIGHT. UM.

BUT COULD I HEAR. I'M SORRY.

I COULDN'T HEAR THE SPEAKER.

I WAS JUST SAYING NOT TO CONFUSE THE FACT THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NONCONTRIBUTING DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE DON'T STILL LOOK AT IT FROM A FOR LANDMARK, BECAUSE IT IS IN A HISTORIC.

NO, THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO. YEAH.

WELL, LET'S I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW, UH, NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES ARE TREATED.

THANK YOU. SURE.

OKAY, SO, HEY, THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE.

TREATMENT OF NONCONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.

SO THE TREATMENT IS DETERMINED.

THE SURVEY WAS DONE BY HHM.

UM, AND THAT SO THAT GIVES US THE CLASSIFICATION.

BUT THEN HOW DO WE TREAT THEM? THAT'S DETERMINED BY THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, WHICH IS OUR GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR EVERYTHING WE DO.

THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY WINTER AND COMPANY.

THEY ARE NOR WINTER SINCE RETIRED, BUT THEY WERE REALLY THE PREEMINENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMPANY IN THE COUNTRY WHEN THEY WERE ACTIVE.

UH, IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2012.

SO IN THE GUIDE IN THE STANDARDS WE HAVE A GUIDE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM HIGHLIGHTED ALTERATIONS TO NON-HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS.

AND SO THAT IS.

SPELLING OUT FOR US HOW THEY'RE TREATED.

SO ALTERATIONS TO NON-HISTORIC BUILDINGS NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

THE COMMISSION CAN HAVE REVIEW IF THE HPO DETERMINES THAT THE REQUEST DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

AND THEN THE COMMENT HERE IS THAT THE BUILDING MUST BE DEEMED NONCONTRIBUTING OR INTRUSION TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND MUST CONFORM TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

WE USED TO HAVE THIS TERM INTRUSION, AND THAT'S FROM THE PREVIOUS SURVEY.

WE DON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE.

INTRUSION MEANT, UM, SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT.

LIKE IN THE 1970S OR 50S, AND IT JUST THERE'S NO WAY IT COULD POSSIBLY EVER CONTRIBUTE.

OKAY. AND THEN THE DESIGN STANDARDS FURTHER GIVES US, UM, MORE GUIDANCE FOR HOW TO TREAT HIS, UH, NON-HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS, AND THAT IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS NEW CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE SHOULD APPLY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS TO NONCONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.

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AND THAT IS THE SAME FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, UH, AND NON-HISTORIC COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.

SO FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.

BUT THEN THERE'S THIS CAVEAT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH IS YET ANOTHER PLACE WHERE WE GET OUR REGULATIONS FROM THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER IS AT HIS OR HER OWN SOLE DISCRETION, AND MAY REFER ANY APPLICATION ELIGIBLE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW AND DECISION.

SO I PUT IN A COUPLE OF OTHER.

THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN THE SURVEY AS NONCONTRIBUTING.

AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE IMPORTANT BUILDINGS.

AND IF WE IF SOMETHING CAME IN AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE THESE WINDOWS OUT AND PUT IN VINYL WINDOWS, I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

AND I WOULD THEN EXERCISE MY POWER TO BRING THIS TO THE COMMISSION.

SO, SO COULD I.

I DO HAVE DISCRETION IN DECIDING WHAT CAN BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED AND WHAT CAN GO TO THE COMMISSION.

SO THE ONE ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS A HOUSE THAT WE PURCHASED AND REMODELED UNDER ONE OF THE TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAMS, SO IT NO LONGER IS NON-CONFORMING. IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN TOTALLY RESTORED TO HISTORIC CONDITION.

SO I'M SURE IN A NEW SURVEY, THAT ONE, I BELIEVE IT'S 1323 25TH WILL BECOME CONTRIBUTING.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU DO, UM, CONTINUING SURVEYS THAT THEY ALWAYS NEED TO BE IMPROVED.

UPDATED. YEP.

SO I'M SORRY.

I WANT TO JUMP AHEAD OR.

SORRY. JULIE, UH, COMMISSIONER ALBERSTADT WAS SPEAKING, BUT WE'LL GET TO YOU.

BEING AN ARCHITECT, I THINK THE DEFINITION OF CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING IS BASED ON THE WRONG THING.

UM, I THINK THE PORCHES, THE CONNECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE MASSING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT THESE HOUSES HAVE THE 70S HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE.

ITS, I WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE.

I THINK YOU COULD BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU COULDN'T.

YOU CAN BUILD A HOUSE IN 2024 THAT IS CONTRIBUTING AS A, AS COMPARED TO UH, TO SAYING, YOU KNOW, DEFINING IT BY THE YEAR.

UM, WE USED TO IN THE OLD SURVEY WE HAD, IT WAS FINER GRAINED.

SO IT WAS CONTRIBUTING.

YEAH. NOT YOU KNOW, IT WAS CONTRIBUTING COMPATIBLE, NONCONTRIBUTING INTRUSION.

STARTING AT THE TOP AND WORKING YOUR WAY DOWN.

WE USED TO HAVE MORE OF A MIDDLE GROUND, AND THAT COMPATIBLE WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THESE EXAMPLES THAT HAVE MAYBE BEEN CHANGED, UM, BUT STILL ARE IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT AND MAYBE SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS IS WELL DONE YET.

SO MAYBE IN OUR NEXT SURVEY WE THINK ABOUT CHANGING IT FROM JUST BLACK AND WHITE AND HAVING MORE GRAY.

I HAVE ONE COMMENT.

THAT IS UM, I HAVE LOOKED AT LEAST THE EASTON SURVEY EVERY SINGLE HOUSE IN THAT SURVEY UM, WHICH IS 600 PLUS PAGES. UM, AND A COUPLE OF HOUSES CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY SMALL HOUSES ON VERY PROMINENT STREETS.

UM, THEIR STRUCTURES ATTRIBUTED TO 1870, WHICH IS SIX, FIVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS AFTER THE CIVIL WAR.

THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT PROPERTIES, BUT THEY'RE LISTED AS NONCONTRIBUTING BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST THESE TWO.

THEY'RE NOT EVEN SHOTGUNS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SHOTGUNS WOULD BE 19.

THOSE SHOTGUNS OUGHT TO BE PROTECTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT PLACE IN THE HISTORY OF GALVESTON.

SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH PROPERTIES LIKE THAT? WELL, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY CONTRIBUTING FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, BUT FROM AN HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, THEY'RE VERY SIGNIFICANT, PARTICULARLY WHEN CASES WHEN THERE'S SO FEW OF THEM, LIKE SHOTGUNS OR HOUSES BUILT BY FIRST GENERATION FREED SLAVES.

THOSE TO ME SHOULD BE HIGH CONTRIBUTING BECAUSE THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE HISTORY AND THE STORY OF GALVESTON.

BUT THERE'S NOT A CATEGORY FOR THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S NOT A CATEGORY.

AND SO SO IF I BROUGHT THAT TO YOU AND SAID, I WANT DOWNTOWN SECOND FLOOR COUNTY LOOKED AT THE DEEDS, I THINK THIS IS WHAT THESE ARE.

YOU COULD ACTUALLY GO IN AND RECLASSIFY THOSE PROPERTIES AS HIGH CONTRIBUTING BASED ON HISTORIC.

I WOULDN'T BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT BECAUSE THESE THE SURVEY WAS DONE BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALISTS.

OKAY. EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I'M NOT ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY FEDERALLY QUALIFIED AS ONE.

OKAY, SO HOW DO YEAH.

SO I WOULDN'T FEEL PROPERTY THEN THAT WOULD BE WE WOULD THINK ABOUT IN THE NEXT SURVEY A DIFFERENT CATEGORY, A CATEGORY OF COMPATIBLE.

THAT COULD ALSO BE A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S INDIVIDUALLY IMPORTANT AND CAN GET A GALVESTON LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW PROPERTY.

HAS THE OWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES.

YEAH. OKAY. UM, BUT THAT IS AN OPTION SO THAT IF A PROPERTY OWNER IS PERSONALLY CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN EXAMPLE I CAN THINK OF IS THE

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DERMATOLOGY CLINIC ON BROADWAY.

AND WAS THAT 15TH? IT WAS DESIGNED BY RAPP.

IT'S A BUILDING DESIGNED BY A KNOWN ARCHITECT.

IT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF 1950S ARCHITECTURE DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE EAST END HISTORIC DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S WILDLY OUT OF SCALE WITH IT, BUT IT ITSELF IS IMPORTANT.

SO THERE COULD BE OTHER TOOLS THAT COULD BE USED.

OKAY, SO I THINK COMMISSIONER BAKER HAD SOME COMMENTS THAT, WELL, I THINK CONNIE'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT I'M THINKING.

HOW DO WE GO ABOUT CHALLENGING, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE'VE REVIEWED THE 25 OR 26 THAT ARE IN SILK STOCKING, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AND THAT DUTCH COLONIAL WOULD BE ONE THAT I WOULD CHALLENGE.

BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THE PROPER TIME TO DO THAT WOULD BE MAYBE DURING THE NEXT SURVEY, UH, WITH THE MAYBE WE COULD ADD A STEP IN THE PROCESS WHERE LANDMARK IS INVOLVED IN OR CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY DESIGNATE AS NONCONTRIBUTING OR A SECOND OR THIRD CLASSIFICATION, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME 1920S THAT I, I BELIEVE, ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION ACTS AS A STEERING COMMITTEE WHEN WE'RE DOING WORK LIKE A SURVEY.

SO THE COMMISSION WOULD DEFINITELY BE INVOLVED IN ANY KIND OF UPDATE.

OKAY. SO I THINK AS A AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHAT WE MIGHT DO PLAN TO DO IS REVIEW OURSELVES THESE PROPERTIES SO THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE NEXT SURVEY.

YEAH. UM, AND THEN PROBABLY NOTHING TO BE DONE IN THE INTERIM.

YES. SO YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD IDEA TO BE READY FOR THE NEXT SURVEY AND JUST KNOW IN THE INTERIM THERE IS THIS, UH, SAFEGUARD THAT IF I AS THE HBO FEEL LIKE SOMETHING SHOULD GO TO THE COMMISSION, I HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.

CAN I MAKE RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE I HAVE A COMPLETE PRINTED COPY OF THAT SURVEY, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT AND PUT IT INTO PLASTIC SLEEVES TO PROTECT THEM AND THEN PUT THEM IN BINDERS.

MIGHT BE A GOOD VEHICLE WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE I'VE SEEN, AND SHE'S SEEN TO JUST MAKE A NOTE AND INCLUDE IT IN THAT BINDER WITH THAT.

AND THEN THE NEXT SURVEY GO HERE YOU GO.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE NOTES WE NOTICED.

LIKE THIS HOUSE MAY BE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT OR THIS ONE WE SUGGEST THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD USE FOR THAT.

SINCE I'VE GOT A PRINTED COPY OF IT, I'D BE A GOOD USE FOR IT.

UM, OKAY.

UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. MY COMMENT IS ALONG THE SAME LINES THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A PROCESS BETWEEN SURVEYS FOR KEEPING TRACK OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE IDENTIFY AS EITHER NEEDING FURTHER REVIEW OR EVEN MISTAKES THAT ARE IN THE SURVEY, BECAUSE WHEN WE REFER TO THE SURVEY TO MAKE A DECISION, IF THAT ERROR IS THERE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY HAS IDENTIFIED THOSE NEEDS.

A SECOND LOOK AT THE NEXT SURVEY TO PERHAPS HAVE A WAY TO KEEP TRACK OF THOSE.

WE REALIZE WHEN WE GET OUR CASE.

THIS IS FROM THE SURVEY, I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS INCORRECT, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN ONGOING REPOSITORY OF OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE IDENTIFIED.

SO SOMEBODY COULD SAY THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE AND SAY, OH YEAH, WE IDENTIFIED THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AT THE NEXT SURVEY.

SURE. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY STAFF CAN BE THAT REPOSITORY.

SO IF ANYBODY SEES ANYTHING WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR REVIEW OR IF SILK STOCKING IS DOING THEIR REVIEW, JUST LET ME KNOW.

WE KEEP RUNNING LISTS OF, OF OF THINGS IN OUR MAIN CODE THAT WE KNOW NEED CHANGES.

YEAH. SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT SORT OF THING IN PROCESS.

WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN HOUSES THAT WERE NONCONTRIBUTING THAT WERE PURCHASED AND REHABBED AND ARE NOW HIGH CONTRIBUTING.

YEAH. SO ABSOLUTELY.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW IN-DEPTH THE REVIEW TAKES INTO A PROPERTY OWNERS.

UM. I GUESS FEELINGS ON THEIR PROPERTY OR NOT.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GETTING THE HOA INVOLVED OR ANY OTHER TYPES OF FOLKS INVOLVED, PLEASE BE COGNIZANT OF, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEIR FEELINGS AND WISHES ABOUT THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN AS WELL.

SO I'M NOT SAYING GOING UP TO SOMEBODY AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOUR PROPERTY IS CONTRIBUTING AND THEN THE OWNER'S LIKE, WHO ARE YOU? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME? NO DECLARATIONS TO THE SURVEY, OKAY.

I WANT. OH, EVERYBODY, WAIT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT CATHERINE PRESENTED, THAT DISTRICT HAD ABOUT 1200 HOUSES IN IT OR STRUCTURES, BUILDINGS, AND ROUGHLY 10% WERE NON CONTRIBUTING.

THAT'S QUITE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE QUANTITY AND DEPTH OF WHAT THE HOUSING STOCK BUILDING STOCK IN THIS CITY CONTAINS.

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IT'S REALLY COMPELLING.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW OF A CITY, YOU KNOW, OR VERY FEW CITIES THAT CAN BOAST OF THAT.

THAT'S REALLY AMAZING.

IT SEEMS LIKE I RECALL MAYBE CATHERINE WILL.

CONFIRM THIS, BUT THERE ARE.

I THOUGHT THERE WAS 125 HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS, NOT INCLUDING THE NONCONTRIBUTING, YOU KNOW, RANCHES 125. SO A LOT OF PROPERTIES.

YEAH, A LOT OF PROPERTIES.

I AND TO SAY ONLY ROUGHLY 100.

AND WHAT IS IT, 194 NONCONTRIBUTING.

UH, THAT'S THAT'S REALLY JUST QUITE AMAZING.

UM, OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR DISCUSSION? NO. LET ME JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WE ARE TAKING A BREAK FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY.

SO WE WILL MEET AGAIN IN FEBRUARY, ON FEBRUARY 5TH.

DOES IT? I THOUGHT IT DOES IT NOT SHOW US ON THE 18TH? NO. OKAY.

I'M SURE. YEAH.

I'M POSITIVE. OTHERWISE WE'RE IN A LOT OF TROUBLE.

BUT YEAH. WE'RE NOT.

DON'T COME CONNIE, WE'RE CLOSE.

OKAY. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN FEBRUARY.

OH, OKAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.