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[1. Call Meeting to Order]
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.WE'VE TAKEN ATTENDANCE BY SIGNING IN, AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS? SEEING NONE.
IS ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT ANY NON AGENDA ITEM? SO IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS REGARDING ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
ALL RIGHT. AND ALSO ITEMS THAT DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF ANYONE HAS A COMMENT ON A DISCUSSION ITEM OH VERY GOOD I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
SO IF YOU WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
SO IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS REGARDING THOSE, NOW'S YOUR TIME.
ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD, TO NEW BUSINESS.
[5. 23P-093 (Adjacent to 1201 and 1228 Harborside) Request for an Abandonment of approximately 3,800 squarefeet of alley right-of-way. Adjacent properties are legally described as M. B. Menard Survey, Lots 8 - 14, Part of adjacent 12th and 13th Street, Block 732, in the City and County Galveston, Texas. Applicants: Robert W. and Mary T. Jones Adjacent Property Owner: Robert W. and Mary T. Jones Easement Holder: City of Galveston]
WE HAVE 23P-093.23P-093 THIS IS ADJACENT TO 1201 AND 1228 HARBORSIDE.
THERE WERE 18 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
ONE OF THOSE RETURNED, IN FAVOR.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANY CITY DEPARTMENTS OR PRIVATE UTILITY COMPANIES.
NO OBJECTIONS WERE RECEIVED FROM PUBLIC OR PRIVATE UTILITIES.
PLEASE NOTE THE CRITERIA FOR PERMANENT STREET CLOSURES ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE, PERMANENT STREET CLOSURE CRITERIA DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE SUBJECT RIGHT WAY HAS NOT BEEN IN USE AND THERE WOULD NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW OR PUBLIC SAFETY.
THE STREET SEGMENT IS NOW LOCATED WITHIN A POTENTIALLY ELIGIBLE HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS SIX THROUGH EIGHT.
AND NOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
ALSO SITE PLAN OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND HERE ARE THE PROPERTIES, IN THE VICINITY TO THE WEST, EAST AND SOUTH.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE REAL QUICK.
DID WE DO AN ABANDONMENT ON THIS? THE OTHER ANOTHER PORTION OF THIS? YES, SIR. YOU SAW AN ABANDONMENT A FEW MONTHS AGO FOR THE, FOR ONE HALF OF THE 13TH STREET.
RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE SAME APPLICANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. YES, SIR.
PLEASE. ANTHONY. SO THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN TURNED INTO PARKING FOR THE ROYAL CARIBBEAN, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY.
SO THE ALLEY IS NOT EVEN THERE, BASICALLY THERE ANYMORE.
THERE'S CARS PARKED ON TOP OF IT.
GOOD. AND ON PAPER, STILL THERE.
ON PAPER IT'S STILL THERE. BUT THERE'S CARS PARKED ON TOP OF IT.
NOW, THAT WHOLE THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS PARKING LOT.
SO IT'S THIS IS JUST THE ABANDONED AREA.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
ALRIGHT. SEEING NONE WE'LL OPEN THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, SIR.
[INAUDIBLE]. BUT PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIR.
AS WE LOOK AT IT, WE SEE AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE THE 3800.
AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO READ BECAUSE OF THE COLORING, BUT IT'S 3800FT².
THAT'S A TRACK THAT IS TEN FEET WIDE, ABOUT FROM CHAIR TO CHAIR, AND IT'S 380FT LONG.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS THE PORT HAS WORKED WITH US AND LEASED FROM US AND SAID THAT THEY WERE HAPPY FOR US TO DO IT BECAUSE IT MAKES A COMPLETE RECTANGLE OF THE AREA.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE WORKED WITH THE PORT AND DOWN HERE, AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE STREET, AS YOU COME A LITTLE SOUTH, THEN THAT'S WHERE THE GREEN SPACE IS THERE, WHETHER IT'S GRASS OR A PALM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAD, THERE WAS AN ABANDONMENT.
WE PAID FOR IT. WE DID WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO.
IT WASN'T ONE OF THOSE ABANDONMENTS THAT WENT SOUTH.
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WE STAND READY TO CONFORM WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING THE APPRAISAL, THE PAYMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU.AND THIS IS SIMPLY A COMPILATION SO THAT YOU HAVE A NICE RECTANGLE.
AND IT IS ALL WE OWN IS ALREADY UNDER LEASE TO THE PORT.
OKAY. AND WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE REST.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SIR.
COMMISSIONER, DO I SIGN IN? PLEASE DO. I WILL.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:35 AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
AND A SECOND 23P-093 AS PRESENTED.
SEEING NONE WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
AND I THINK THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY THE 25TH FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL.
IS THAT CORRECT, CATHERINE? OKAY. THANK YOU.
[5. 23P-090 (1915 Avenue M) Request for designation as a Galveston Landmark. The property is legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Lots 5 and 4 and East 10-9 Feet of Lot 3, Northeast Block 19 Galveston Outlots, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Lori Sheridan Mitchell Property Owner: Lori Sheridan Mitchell]
WE GOT A LANDMARK CASE 23P-090.THIS IS 1915 AVENUE M REQUEST FOR DESIGNATION AS A GALVESTON LANDMARK.
ONE RETURNED, THAT ONE IN FAVOR THE PROMINENT ATTORNEY WALTER GRESHAM BUILT THIS ONE STORY, FIVE BAY CENTER HALL COTTAGE IN 1886 AS TENANT RENTAL PROPERTY. THE HOUSE REPLACED A HOUSE LOST IN THE 1885 FIRE.
A WALTER GRESHAM MOVED TO GALVESTON IN 1866.
GRESHAM'S PERSONAL RESIDENCE STANDS AT 1402 BROADWAY.
THE ARCHITECT WAS NICHOLAS CLAYTON.
THERE'S NO DEFINITIVE PROOF THAT 1915 AVENUE M WAS AMONG THEM, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE.
THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS YESTERDAY AT THEIR REGULAR MEETING AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
AND STAFF IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
AND THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CATHERINE.
ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:38.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE HERE LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS CASE? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 339 AND BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION. YES, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF 23P-090. ALL RIGHT.
AND A SECOND. 23P-090 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
AND THAT WILL BE HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL ALSO ON JANUARY 15TH.
[5. 23P-092 (Adjacent to 1307 27th Street and 2702 Ursuline/Avenue N) Request for a License to Use to encroach the 28th Street right-of-way, for placement of elevator tower in conjunction with new GISD stadium press box. Adjacent properties are legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Northeast and Southeast Block 15, and Adjacent Abandoned Part of Avenue M ½, Galveston Outlots, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Ed Ramirez, PBK Architects, Inc. Adjacent Property Owners: ISD Galveston Easement Holder: City of Galveston]
SO WE'LL GO TO 23P-092.THIS IS ADJACENT TO 1307 27TH STREET AND 2702 URSULINE/AVENUE N.
AND THERE ARE 54 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
THE APPLICANT RECEIVED APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON MARCH 7TH, 2023 FOR AN AERIAL ENCROACHMENT AS PART OF THE PROJECT TO RECONSTRUCT THE EXISTING KERRVILLE STADIUM, PRESSBOX, ADJACENT TO THE 28TH STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ENCROACHMENT EXTENDED FOUR FEET, NINE INCHES INTO THE 28TH STREET RIGHT OF WAY, AND THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO MODIFY THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL TO ADD A GRADE LEVEL ELEVATOR TOWER THAT WILL ENCROACH SIX FEET, TEN INCHES INTO THE 28TH STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO ADD STAIRS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PRESS BOX.
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THE PROPOSED STAIRS WILL NOT TERMINATE AT GRADE AND ARE DESIGNED AS AN AERIAL ENCROACHMENT, WITH ITS LOWEST POINT BEING 12FT TEN INCHES FROM GRADE.PLEASE NOTE THE APPLICANT'S JUSTIFICATION ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR STAFF.
AND NOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS IS AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY.
VARIOUS ANGLES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND HERE ARE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? [INAUDIBLE]. CERTAINLY.
GO AHEAD STEVEN. I'M SORRY CATHERINE.
OH, YOU TOOK THE. CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE BACK OUT THAT WAY? RIGHT THERE? YES. SO THE PRESS BOX IS GOING TO KIND OF, I GUESS, CANTILEVER OFF OF THE, THE BACK OF THE? THE TOWER.
OKAY. THE STAIRS WERE CANTILEVER SORT OF OVER THE EXISTING BLEACHERS.
IS THAT GOING TO BE BEYOND WHAT WHERE THAT CURB IS? WELL YEAH. SO IF YOU LOOK AT EXHIBIT, B YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE IS A SORT OF A BUMP OUT RIGHT ON 28TH WHERE IT INTERSECTS M AND A HALF AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BEING PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY ALTOGETHER ABOUT TEN FEET OR SO, GIVE OR TAKE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
OKAY. IS THAT, STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT CARS? AND YEAH, THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 11FT OR SO LEFT.
WE'RE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AND WE NEED TO CONFIRM THAT THE MEETING IS BEING RECORDED.
OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO RECESS UNTIL WE'VE GOT THAT CONFIRMATION.
WE'LL CALL A RECESS. [INAUDIBLE] SABOTAGED [INAUDIBLE] . YEAH, AND IT'S A REQUIREMENT.
THE MEETINGS HAVE TO BE RECORDED.
SO [INAUDIBLE] AND WE NEED IT FOR OUR RECORDS AS WELL, [INAUDIBLE] I KNOW WE'RE CLIPPING ALONG [INAUDIBLE] SHALL WE SING SOME CHRISTMAS CAROLS ? [INAUDIBLE].
OH, OKAY. LOOKS LIKE WE CAN PROCEED.
WE'LL BRING THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 3:44.
AND WHERE WAS I? ADRIEL WAS IN THE MIDST OF TELLING US THAT ROAD WILL STILL BE TRAVEL IT.
AND THE FIRE MARSHAL DID NOT OBJECT TO THAT.
ALSO, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS PHOTO RIGHT HERE.
IS THAT STRIPED AS PARKING RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE NEAR THE CURB?
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YES. SO THAT'S CURRENTLY PARKING RIGHT THERE IN THE BUMP OUT WILL BASICALLY TAKE THOSE PARKING LANES WHERE THE TOWER IS GOING TO GO.SO YEAH, IT'S ALREADY STRIPED.
OKAY. SO THAT WILL CATCH ALL OF THAT.
THAT'S WHEN WE'LL CATCH IT THEN. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. YES, SIR. SO THE PRESS BOX ITSELF IS JUST GOING TO STICK OUT A LITTLE BIT AT THE TOP OF THE STADIUM.
THE, PRESS BOX ITSELF, IT'S ALL WITHIN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY LINES.
IT'S JUST A CONCRETE ELEVATOR TOWER.
CORRECT. OKAY AND ALSO THE STAIRS ON THE SIDES.
OKAY. THAT SORT OF CANTILEVER TO A DEGREE.
YEAH A SIDE VIEW ELEVATION THAT THEY HAVE, IT STICKS OUT A FEW FEET INTO THE STREET.
CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEY CAME AND THEY GOT AN APPROVAL RIGHT THERE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:46.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, SIR.
PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN FOR US, PLEASE.
I'M ED RAMIREZ WITH PBK SPORTS.
WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE WITH THE INITIAL, RIGHT TO USE OR LICENSE TO USE AGREEMENT.
SO WHAT THIS PRESENTS, AND WE HAVE FLOOR PLANS AND THAT PACKAGE THAT SHOW THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS THE ELEVATOR TOWER COMING OUTBOARD OF THE INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND BASICALLY TAKING UP A PARKING SPACE.
SO WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE DRIVE LANE, BUT ONLY INTO THE PARKING SPACE THERE.
SO ALSO, AVOIDS TAKING UP A SPACE IN FRONT OF ANY HOMEOWNER ALONG THAT STREET.
SO WITHIN THEIR RIGHT OF WAY, STRAIGHT ACROSS, THEY CAN PARK THEIR VEHICLE ACROSS.
THE OTHER PROPERTIES GO OFF TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDE STREETS.
VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE. THANK YOU SIR.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:47 AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
WE APPROVE 23P-092 AS WRITTEN AND I'LL.
AND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RIOS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
[5. 23P-051 (3027 Broadway/Avenue J) Request for a Planned Unit Development (PUD) Overlay District to construct a “Restaurant, Drive-In / Through”. Property is legally described as M.B. Menard Survey, Lots 1 & 2, Block 150, in the City and County of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Ernesto Quintanilla Property Owner: World Wide Land Devel Corp c/o Ryan LLC]
THE APPLICANT HAS SENT A REQUEST TO HAVE THIS CASE, DEFERRED AGAIN UNTIL OUR JANUARY 9TH MEETING.IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER.
23P-051 UNTIL THE JANUARY 9TH MEETING.
SECOND, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEFER.
23P-051. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.
THOSE IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
SO WE'VE DEFERRED 23P-051 TILL JANUARY 9TH.
[5. 23P-084 (13241 Oceana Way and Vacant Tracts located East and West of Pabst Road, North of the Bermuda Beach Subdivision, West of 11 Mile Road, and South of San Luis Pass Road/FM 3005) Request for a Preliminary Plat to establish a new subdivision. Properties are legally described as: The Preserve at West Beach, Section 8 (2010), Abstract 121, Acres 39.6264; The Preserve at West Beach, Section 8 (2010), Abstract 121, Block 4, Lot 1, Acres 3.8736; The Preserve at West Beach, Section 9 (2010), Abstract 121, Acres 21.5022; and Abstract 121, Hall & Jones Survey, Portion of Lot 457 (457-1, Trimble & Lindsey, Section 2 AKA Portion of Blocks 74, 77, & 84, Nottingham Subdivision; in the City and County of Galveston Texas. Applicant: Kahala Services, LLC Property Owner: Green East Realty, LLC; Jakovich Interests, LLC; and Jaks Beachfront LLC]
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON.THIS IS 13241 OCEANA WAY AND VACANT TRACTS LOCATED EAST AND WEST OF PABST ROAD, NORTH OF THE BERMUDA BEACH SUBDIVISION, WEST OF 11 MILE ROAD, AND SOUTH OF SAN LUIS PASS ROAD/FM 3005. THERE WERE 117 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
NO OBJECTIONS FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS AND OR PRIVATE UTILITY, COMPANIES, WITH A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM THE COASTAL RESOURCES DIVISION AND THE PUBLIC WORKS, CITY ENGINEER.
AND THOSE ARE ON PAGE ONE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
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RESERVES, AND CREATING FOR NEW PUBLIC STREETS.PLEASE NOTE THE BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION AND BEACH ACCESS EASEMENTS ON PAGE TWO.
ON PAGE THREE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
VARIANCES FROM THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ESTABLISH TWO BLOCKS THAT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM BLOCK LENGTH OF 700FT.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SHOWS SEAWORTHY DRIVE AND ROSETTE BEACH DRIVE ARE BOTH EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM BLOCK LENGTH ALLOWED, AND THE SEAWORTHY DRIVE FROM THE WESTERN PORTION DOES NOT MEET THE TURNAROUND RADIUS REQUIRED.
THIS REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDS 23P-084 BE APPROVED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AND STANDARD CONDITIONS NINE THROUGH 14. AND NOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
THIS IS THE AERIAL, IMAGE OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND HERE ARE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ADRIEL, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, SIR.
THE REPORT INDICATES THAT, 121 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
WHERE ARE THOSE TO BE LOCATED, OR HAVE THEY BEEN IDENTIFIED YET? TIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TACKLE THAT QUESTION? YES. COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT THIS IS ALREADY A PEDESTRIAN ONLY BEACH IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY CLEAR THAT PARKING IS STILL REQUIRED TO MITIGATE IT.
SO WE'VE PUT IN A CALL UP TO THE GLO TO ASCERTAIN THEIR POSITION ON THIS.
AND THEY'RE STILL WEIGHING IN ON THIS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED, SHOULD IT BE MANDATED, IS THAT AMOUNT AND THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS A SPOT FOR THOSE, SPACES UP IN SECTION THREE OF THIS PLAT, THE THIRD PHASE.
SO, WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, WELL BEFORE THE FINAL PLAT, WHETHER THE GLO MANDATES THAT AMOUNT OR SOME OTHER AMOUNT, PRIOR TO THAT FINAL PLAT COMING BACK BEFORE YOU.
OKAY, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR, KYLE.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BEACHFRONT LOTS.
AND IT APPEARS FROM THE PLANS THAT THE DUNE PROTECTION LINE IS WITHIN THE LOT BOUNDARIES.
SO HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A REAR BUILDING LINE THAT IS WITHIN THE DUNE PROTECTION AREA? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, [INAUDIBLE] . COME TO US FOR THE BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE, WE WOULD STILL DENOTE THE 25 WE RUN ACROSS THAT IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY DO HAVE BUILDING LINES THAT GO WITHIN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA, BUT WE FOLLOW OUR STANDARDS TO SAY THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING LINE FALLS IN WITHIN THE DUNE PROTECTION LINE, THEY CAN COME IN FOR AN EXEMPTION TO ACTUALLY BUILD WITHIN THERE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO, FILE A PLAT, KNOWING THAT THE BUILDING LINE IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION CAN ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE?
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WELL, THEY CAN THEY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD IN THERE IF THEY COME IN AND GET AN EXEMPTION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.SO IF THEY WANTED TO BUILD WITHIN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA, WE HAVE IN OUR BEACH ACCESS PLAN THAT THEY CAN REQUEST AN EXEMPTION TO BUILD WITHIN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA.
BUT WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO SHOW A HARDSHIP TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT THERE'S NO OTHER? WELL, WE HAVE WE DO HAVE STANDARDS THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET.
IT'S NOT A HARDSHIP, BUT WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE SITTING OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY TECHNIQUES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
OKAY, FROM THE PLANS THAT I HAVE, I COULDN'T SEE IF THERE WAS A LOT DRAINAGE PLAN.
PERHAPS THAT'S, IN THE WORKS NOW AND IN THEIR WITH THEIR ENGINEERING, BUT, WITH THESE LOTS, BE SUBJECT TO BEING CLEARED SINCE THEY HAVE THE NORTH TAIL OF THE DUNE IS WITHIN THE LOT BOUNDARY.
AND IF THEY DID THAT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO FILE SOME TYPE OF MITIGATION PLAN I WOULD ASSUME.
YEAH. ANY, ANY WORK WITHIN THERE WOULD HAVE TO COME, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO GET SOMETHING FROM US.
BUT IF SOMEBODY CAME IN ON AN INDIVIDUAL LOT AND WANTED TO CONSTRUCT IN THE BUILDING, WITHIN THE BUILDING LINES WITHIN THAT DUNE CONSERVATION AREA, THEY CAN ASK FOR AN EXEMPTION. OKAY.
WELL, THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD IS, WHAT? WE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THE DRAINAGE AREA.
I THINK LOOKING AT THE WESTWOOD ONE, WE WERE NOT.
WE'RE SPEAKING OF GRANDLY THE WEST SIDE OF THAT, BUT THE EAST PROPOSAL, WE ALREADY HAD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE, CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE COMING OFF OF BERMUDA BEACH AND HOW WILL THAT BE TAKEN CARE OF AND MITIGATED? WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS STEP ONE.
STEP TWO IS TO COME IN AND SUBMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT'S WHEN THAT WOULD BE TACKLED BY OUR CITY ENGINEERING DIVISION.
OKAY. ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES OKAY.
TO HAVE THAT APPROVED BEFORE FINAL PLAT WOULD BE APPROVED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A COUPLE.
IS THERE AN OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR.
I KNOW WE CHANGED THE ZONING ON THIS TO A TEN, CORRECT? YES. AND, TYPICALLY THE LDR DOES NOT GET INTO SPECIFICS, BUT FOR THE TN, DESIGNATION, IT DOES HAVE AN 8% OF THE TOTAL TRACT.
SO IN THIS CASE IT'S 70 ACRES.
YEAH. AND THEY'VE GOT 0.8 MORE THAN THAT.
EXACTLY. AND THEY'RE EXCEEDING THAT OKAY.
SO THE RESTRICTION IS BECAUSE IT'S TN.
I NOTICED THAT IN RESERVE A IS AN UNRESTRICTED TRACK.
IS THAT WELL, I GUESS IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IN THEIR OPEN SPACE STUFF.
IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR OPEN SPACE, REQUIREMENT.
THEY'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING EVEN WITHOUT RESERVE A OKAY.
AND THEN ACTUALLY I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS REALLY MORE FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO I'LL ASK SOME OF THESE OF HIM, BUT I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
ANY OTHER ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUICK ONE.
KYLE BACK TO JOHN'S QUESTIONS ABOUT GOING INTO THE DCA.
SO WITHOUT I CAN'T LOOK I CAN'T TELL HOW DEEP THESE LOTS ARE.
SO WOULD THEY HAVE TO GO IN? AND YOU HAVE TO I CAN'T BELIEVE I CAN'T REMEMBER THIS, BUT WE HAVE THE 25 FOOT, YOU KNOW, LINE IN THE SAND.
IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THAT WITHIN THE 25FT? YEAH. OUR DUNE CONSERVATION AREA.
YEAH. THAT'S OUR DUNE. THE 25 FOOT LINE IS WHAT WE CALL THE DUNE PROTECTION LINE.
AND THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA IS FROM THAT LINE SEAWARD I GOT YOU.
SO EVEN THOUGH HIS IN THEORY, THE BUILDING LINES COULD BE IN THE.
THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW ON YOUR COMMENTS IS IF THE BUILDING LINE IS IN THAT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE BUILDING LINE WOULD ACTUALLY END UP BEING BIGGER FOR THOSE GUYS TO STAY OUT OF THAT THOUGH, THEY COULD COME IN TO THE DCA, BUT THEY'RE NOT.
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WHAT'S THAT? MY QUESTION IS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY, I'M SORRY.I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT DOING LOTS AND I'M PRETTY SURE THIS IS NOT THE CASE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE A DEPTH THAT IS ADEQUATE ENOUGH SO THAT WE HAVE APPLICANTS COME TO YOUR DEPARTMENT AND ASK TO HAVE THEIR HOUSE PUT IN THE PROTECTION AREA.
I UNDERSTAND THE DCA, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
SO HOW AND I GUESS I COULD ASK THE APPLICANT THE DEPTH OF THE LOTS.
I MEAN, IF THE LOTS ARE 100FT DEEP, IT'S NOT LIKELY HE'S GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE 120 ACTUALLY.
OKAY. AND THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
THIS IS WHY THEY HAVE TO BUILD HERE.
BUT WHEN WE GET AN APPLICATION IN.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE BUILDING LINES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE DEPTH OF THE LOT UNLESS WE GET INTO AN EXEMPTION SITUATION.
THAT MAKES THEM PUSH THE HOUSE CLOSER TO THE BEACH.
SO IF THEY'RE 120FT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL STAND.
NO. WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 4:04.
IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? HI, BRUCE REINHARDT WITH KAHALA SERVICES.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL THAT WASN'T IN THE PACKET, BUT THIS IS THE WEBSITE.
Y'ALL CAN PASS THIS AROUND, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
[INAUDIBLE] WHY DON'T YOU PUT A BIG STRAIN ON IT? OH, IT'S. I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL I THOUGHT IT WAS ALL THE SAME.
SORRY IT HAPPENED ALL THE TIME.
AND SO, BRUCE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT TO DO.
THESE GUYS ANSWER MY QUESTION, AND I KNOW THAT YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT.
IF THERE ARE 120FT DEEP ON THE BEACHFRONT, WHAT ARE THEY OVER AT YOUR, BEACHSIDE VILLAGE? BEACHSIDE VILLAGE? VILLAGE.
WELL, THE THOSE END UP GOING OUT WAY INTO THE DUNE TOO, SO ABOUT 200.
SO THEY'RE MUCH LONGER, BUT THEY GO MUCH FURTHER OUT, HELD US BACK.
THEY WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAT WAS PLATTED, THAT WAS THERE AT THE TIME.
BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL USABLE, ONLY ABOUT 120FT.
OKAY. SO AND THIS IS I MEAN, YOU'VE HAD SOME GREAT SUCCESS WITH YOUR BEACHSIDE VILLAGE PROJECT.
IT WOULD BE A FAIR ASSESSMENT, THIS TO SAY, KIND OF LIKE A BEACHSIDE VILLAGE 2.0.
BUT THAT IS WHAT THE EXTERIOR IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN THOSE RENDERINGS.
IT'S A MORE MODERNISTIC STYLE.
OKAY. I'VE SEEN IT A LOT IN WEST U, I'VE SEEN IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
AND YOU CAN SEE GLASS OR STAINLESS STEEL CABLES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S A TOTAL DIFFERENT LOOK.
WE ARE PUTTING ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOU SEE THERE.
THERE'S THREE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, IN THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ONE TO THE LEFT THERE.
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OKAY. I KNOW THAT THIS.DONNA, MAKE SURE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION ON THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB WITH STR'S OVER IN, BEACHSIDE VILLAGE. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS, AND MAYBE YOU'VE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE WHEN YOU CAME TO ASK FOR YOUR ZONING CHANGE, CAN YOU SHED A LITTLE LIGHT ON HOW YOU GUYS WOULD MANAGE STRS IN THIS COMMUNITY? THIS IS REALLY KIND OF, NO? OKAY. I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO TELL ME THAT.
YEAH, EVEN MORE SO, THE BEACH PARKING.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING THE WAY THAT THE BEACH PARKING WORKS HERE, IS THAT REALLY YOUR SUBDIVISION NOW HAS PROVIDED THE BEACH PARKING FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN AN ESSENCE IS THAT I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE IS NONE REQUIRED THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, RIGHT, IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY.
THERE, LITERALLY IS NONE REQUIRED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN NEEDED AS AN AUTO, I'M SORRY, A PEDESTRIAN ONLY BEACH.
AND IT ALREADY IS THAT, NOW WHEN WE TAKE THIS UP TO.
SO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF WHAT THEY SAY.
AND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT WORD YET.
OFFICIALLY, I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, PARKING WHEN WE DID, SANS KAHALA SUBDIVISION, THE BEACH WAS CLOSED THEN AND THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP AND BABE SCHWARTZ WAS, MY ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, ALONG WITH STEVE SCHULTZ.
AND THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE INTO MY NEXT COMMENT.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, AND I WOULD JUST ONLY MAKE THE.
I KNOW THAT YOU HAD MADE A COMMENT ABOUT WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY NEXT DOOR, AND THEN I'M, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY ALSO HAS SOME PROPERTY OVER THERE, AND I'M JUST THROWING A NUGGET OUT THERE THAT I WOULD HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD TRY.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THERES SOMETHING YOU CAN DO WITH THEM TO PROVIDE SOME MORE PARKING, BUT, I'M SORRY ON THE COUNTY LOT OR THE, ON THE COUNTY STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, YOU DON'T OWN IT.
I MEAN, HONESTLY, YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION.
THIS IS A FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT I'M JUST WE THE COUNTY HAS SOME PROPERTY THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS CONTACTED THEM TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE DO SOMETHING TOGETHER TO DO SOME BEACH PARKING THERE? YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO IT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S IN THE WORKS TO BE REBUILT.
AND I'M SURE IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT, YOU GUYS WOULD.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'VE GOT A FEW YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF, BEACH ACCESS POINTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THAT WHERE THE WALKOVERS WILL BE BUILT? HOW MANY? 6 OR 7.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLAT REAL QUICK.
I THINK IT'S SIX. AND SUPPOSE WOULD BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
DO YOU ALLOW INDIVIDUAL LOT OWNERS TO DO THEIR OWN WALKOVERS? A PRIVATE WALKOVER? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE DO THAT IN BEACHSIDE VILLAGE ZERO.
ONCE THEY FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS, THEY DECIDE TO GO ON THE [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. BECAUSE THEY BEACH THOSE DUNE WALKOVERS GET EXPENSIVE TO BUILD.
AND SO IT REALLY WORKS OUT BETTER.
AND THEY ALL MEET AT THE DUNE WALKOVER.
IT WORKS GOOD. BUT YES, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IF THEY WANTED IT.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESERVES THAT ARE BLOCKED OUT THAT JUST SHOWS, RESIDENTIAL RESERVE.
WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT INVOLVE?
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WELL, IN A T&D. A RESIDENTIAL RESERVE IS KIND OF COVERS A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT STUFF.IT INCLUDES IF THERE WAS TO BE, THERE'S A WHOLE LONG LIST OF THEM THAT CAN BE DONE.
IT COULD BE MORE SINGLE FAMILY.
IT COULD BE DIFFERENT THINGS RELATED TO THE SERVICES OF A T&D.
SO A TOWNHOMES WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR THE FUTURE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
BRUCE. I'M AVAILABLE IF ANYBODY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT? THAT'S HERE ON THIS CASE? YES, MA'AM.
PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.
I'M ACTUALLY A HOMEOWNER IN BERMUDA BEACH.
AND SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR WHOMEVER.
AND THIS MAY NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE FORUM.
SAME BEACH IN BERMUDA BEACH, BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE STREET PARKING.
SO WHERE HOW DOES IT DIFFER? THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED FOR ANY.
AND HERE WE'RE HAVING TO WORRY WITH PARKING, YOU KNOW, ON OUR STREETS.
I MEAN, JUST POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
YES, MA'AM. AND THEN I ALSO HEARD ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] PARKING.
THE 121 SPOTS BEING PROVIDED IN SECTION THREE.
IS THERE NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PARKING AT LEAST BE IN SOME CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHEREVER THEY'RE PROVIDING IT? BECAUSE SECTION THREE IS PROBABLY FIVE BLOCKS AWAY? AND AGAIN, I CAN.
I JUST SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THERE.
YEAH, WE DO HAVE THE WORST BEACH EROSION [INAUDIBLE].
MA'AM, IF YOU'D LIKE, YOU CAN COME FORWARD AND AND GIVE YOUR SIGN IN.
JUST REMEMBER, IT'S NOT A Q AND A.
WE'RE HAPPY TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
AND WE'LL WE'LL GET SOME STAFF TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
PERFECT. WE'LL GET IT FROM HERE.
THE THING IS, IN SECTION THREE, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE, MA'AM.
SECTION THREE HAS THE WORST BEACH EROSION.
IN FACT, IT'S BEEN COVERED WITH WATER IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND DEBRIS.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ALL THE PARKING BEHIND SECTION THREE, THE PEOPLE WILL COME THROUGH US.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WALK OVER TO SECTION ONE AND USE WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE CROSSOVERS.
THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO SECTION THREE, WHICH IS ALREADY THE WORST.
AND THE EXPANDED BEACH PARKING GOES FURTHER ON SECTION THREE THAN IT DOES IN SECTION TWO.
SO THE PARKING ALL BEHIND THE SECTION THREE IS NOT A FAIR THING FOR THIS PROPERTY PEOPLE TO DO.
ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION AT 4:14.
SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 23P-084 FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND BEFORE WE VOTE, CAN I MAKE A COMMENT? WE'LL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
SO WE GET THE MOTION WE'LL HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
DISCUSSION, MA'AM? AS PRESENTED.
COMMISSIONER LIGHTFOOT, I THINK IT'S WORTH MENTIONING THAT, AT A PRIOR MEETING, OF THE COMMISSION, WE HAD A APPLICANT THAT, REQUESTED, THEY HAD A DEAD END DESIGN ON THEIR PLAT.
AND, THIS IS THIS SITUATION HERE IS A LOT DIFFERENT.
IN MY OPINION. IT'S MINIMAL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A CORNER THAT IS ONLY ABOUT 200FT AWAY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT, THAT I SEE THIS AS A VAST DIFFERENCE, IN NOT HAVING THE CUL DE SAC I DON'T SEE AS AN ISSUE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. AND I WOULD AGREE THERE'S CIRCULATION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ALSO THAT WAS A PUD AND THIS IS A PLAT.
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SO YES MA'AM.ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
[5. 23ZA-005 Request for a text amendment to the Galveston Land Development Regulations, for new and unlisted land uses of “Airplane Hanger” and “Charging Station” and Article 2, Uses and Supplemental Standards to modify requirements for Permanent Commercial Uses. Applicant: Development Services Department]
AND MOVING ON TO OUR TEXT AMENDMENT 23ZA-005.THIS IS RELATED TO A PREVIOUS TEXT AMENDMENT WHICH WAS 23ZA-004.
DURING DISCUSSIONS ON THAT CASE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO RESEARCH THE ADDITION OF AIRPLANE HANGAR AND CHARGING STATION AS NEW LAND USES AND TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CHANGES FOR REQUIREMENTS OF PERMANENT COMMERCIAL USES.
WE HAVE ADDED AIRPLANE HANGAR AND CHARGING STATION AS NEW AND UNLISTED LAND USES, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF DEFINITIONS, INCLUSION IN THE LAND USE TABLE, AND NEW LIMITED STANDARDS FOR CHARGING STATION.
WE'VE ADDED AIRPLANE HANGAR, PARKING STRUCTURE OR LOT INCIDENTAL TO MAIN USE AND PARKING STRUCTURE.
MIXED USE AS USE IS EXEMPTED FROM PROVIDING A RESTROOM FACILITY AND ADDED CHARGING STATION AS A USE, EXEMPT FROM PROVIDING A PERMANENT BUILDING AND A RESTROOM FACILITY. IN ADDITION TO THOSE ITEMS, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A COUPLE OTHER CHANGES TO MODIFY THE AUTO SERVICE FUELING OR CHARGING STATION LAND USE TO REMOVE THE CHARGING COMPONENT, WHICH WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE NEW LAND USE OF ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATION, AND THEN A CLEAN UP WITHIN THE LIMITED STANDARDS OF AUTO SERVICE FUELING OR CHARGING STATION. THAT CONTRADICTS ANOTHER LIMITED STANDARD AND THE CHANGES ARE LISTED FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A QUICK ONE.
HAVE WE HEARD IS I DON'T SEE MR. GARDNER HERE.
HAVE WE HAD ANY COMMENTS FROM HIM ON THIS? OR MAYBE I SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO.
I DIDN'T REACH OUT SPECIFICALLY TO MR. GAERTNER, HE I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. IF NOT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE AT 417.
DOES ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ON THIS ITEM.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 316 AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.
I RECOMMEND WE PASS 23ZA-005 AS I'LL SECOND.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.
SO WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF 23ZA-005.
AND THAT WILL BE HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY THE 25TH.
[6. Discussion Items]
AND I'D HAD THIS PUT ON OUR AGENDA ABOUT, OUR PUDS AND WHAT I, WHAT I'M REALLY WANTING TO DISCUSS WITH YOU GUYS IS, THAT, AS AND I'D JUST LIKE TO BUILD SOME HAVE SOME CONSENSUS IS WHEN WE SEE THESE THESE, YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT PUDS ARE A TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX.SOMETIMES THEY NEED A SCREWDRIVER, AND THE PUDS IS A SLEDGEHAMMER.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SEE A LOT OF THESE WHERE IT'S WHY IS THAT A PUD, AT LEAST FOR ME.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU GUYS IS THAT AS WE SEE THESE, OUR WE ARE TASKED WITH PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND I THINK THE MORE SPECIFIC WE CAN BE WITH THOSE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE, REMEMBER, EVEN THOUGH WE VOTE UP ON IT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHEN IT GETS TO THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME ACTION.
SO I THINK IF WE WOULD SEND THESE TO COUNCIL AND MAKE AN EFFORT TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, GO WITH THEM. AND I'M JUST GOING TO USE AN EXAMPLE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE MARGARITAVILLE PUD AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS DRAINAGE.
WELL, IF WE COULD DISAPPROVE IT.
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BUT I THINK OUR WHAT WE I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO IS IF WE MAKE AN APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL, HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE PLAN BE REVIEWED AND STUDIED OR A TRAFFIC LIGHT INSTALLED.I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM.
AND YOU GUYS COACH ME A LITTLE BIT OF THIS.
IF WE'RE SPECIFIC WITH THIS STUFF, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
BUT YOU GOT TO REMEMBER AND YOU HELP ME OUT HERE TOO, JOHN.
THESE GUYS ARE SEEING THESE CASES.
WE ONLY SEE THEM FOR A DAY OR TWO BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
WHAT COUNCIL DOES WITH THAT IS COUNCIL'S BUSINESS.
OUR JOB IS TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING, AND I ONLY PUT THIS ON HERE BECAUSE I'M WOULD LIKE TO SEE US INCLUDE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THESE WHEN WE HAVE THEM AND WE'LL DISCUSS THEM.
I THINK THEY NEED TO BE ITEMS THAT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WE COULD HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSION AND THINK, HEY, WE SHOULD HAVE THIS. AND I THINK THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT ADDED AS AN AMENDED ITEM.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUR FRIENDS OVER AT CITY COUNCIL.
JOHN, IS THIS A GOOD DIRECTION FOR YOU? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.
SO I JUST WANT TO GET SOME FEEL FROM YOU GUYS AS TO, IF ALL THIS MAKES SENSE TO YOU MOVING FORWARD WITH THESE PUD APPLICATIONS.
ALSO REMEMBER, THEY'RE ASKING FOR STUFF.
THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO ASK FOR SOMETHING BACK, AND WE CAN PUT THOSE AS RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT THEY'RE SIMPLY THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR DUTY STOPS STOPS THERE.
SO ANY COMMENTS FROM YOU GUYS ON ON ANY OF THIS I'LL JUMP IN.
ESPECIALLY WITH SPECIFIC SOME SPECIFICS TO IT BECAUSE THEN IT TAILORS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IS THERE I KNOW THERE'S NOT A TIME FRAME TO OUR MEETINGS BY ANY MEANS.
BUT WILL THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO FIT WITHIN OUR.
BECAUSE THE PUDS THAT WE'VE SEEN, I MEAN THERE ARE SOME WHERE IT'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ITEMS. BUT THEN THERE ARE SOME WHERE IT'S A PRETTY LENGTHY, DEVIATION REQUEST.
IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT FOR LARGER PUDS THAT MAYBE WE LOOK AT IN A WORKSHOP OR IS THAT SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT.
AND DONNA, THIS IS A DONNA QUESTION.
MOST OF THESE CASES, THESE PUD CASES, THEY COME TO US AND IT WE USUALLY WILL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THEY GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
NOT ALWAYS, BUT TYPICALLY THEY DO.
WHAT WOULD BE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOME OF THE BIGGER CASES AFTER I SLEEP ON THEM THE NEXT DAY, I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE X. WHAT WOULD BE, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE FOR US TO HAVE THEM JUST MERELY AS A DISCUSSION ITEM ON ANOTHER ON THE NEXT MEETING, JUST TO SAY, HEY, IS THERE ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PUD FOR RECOMMENDATION AND IT'S FOR RECOMMENDATION ONLY.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO OPEN THE CAN BACK UP AGAIN.
BUT WHEREAS IF SOMEBODY SLEPT ON IT FOR, YOU KNOW, A NIGHT OR TWO AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMES BACK AND IT WARRANTS A RECOMMENDATION WHEN WE SEND IT TO COUNCIL, DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE? [INAUDIBLE], SO I'M GOING TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS.
OKAY. I HEAR A LOT OF WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT CITY COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE WISHES OF PLANNING COMMISSION IN MORE DETAIL THAT I BELIEVE NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THE MEETING WHERE THE CASE IS BEING DISCUSSED.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS REMEMBER YOU, THIS IS, A PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD, AND THERE ARE RULES THAT GOVERN BOARDS. WHEN THERE IS A SPECIFIC CASE ON AN AGENDA, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS IT AMONGST EACH OTHER BEFORE THE MEETING.
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WE STILL DON'T WANT TO, ENGAGE IN THE WALKING QUORUM TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS THAT MAY BE OCCURRING.WE HAVE BEEN TO MEETINGS WHERE THEY'RE VERY SHORT AND WHERE THEY'RE VERY LONG.
I THINK THAT WITH THE APP, WITH THE STAFF REPORTS GOING OUT IN ADVANCE, THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HITS THE COMMISSIONER THAT THEY WANT TO REALLY DISCUSS ON THAT THEY NEED TO LET STAFF KNOW AND THEN SAY, WELL, THIS WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS POSED TO CATHERINE OR WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S HANDLING THAT.
CAN BE BROUGHT UP ON THE STAFF REPORT IN THE MEETING, ETC.
IN THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING OR IN OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WANTS TO INFORM CITY COUNCIL OF MORE SPECIFICITY AS TO WHAT OCCURRED AT A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THE CHAIRPERSON CAN DO THAT.
OR IF THE CHAIRPERSON IS NOT AVAILABLE TO SPEAK AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN NOMINATE OR ASK SOMEBODY TO DO THAT AND SAY, THIS IS THE PERSON WHO'S GOING TO BE REPRESENTING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
THEY ALWAYS READ ALL THE COMMENTS THAT ARE RECEIVED, I'M SURE.
BUT PART OF WHAT I HEARD AND HOPEFULLY I DIDN'T MISS SOME OF THIS, WAS WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.
TYPICALLY IT'S IN LINE WITH THE STAFF REPORT AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
IN THAT REPORT, PLANNING COMMISSION CAN PUT ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, TYPICALLY ON THE ITEM AND WHEN THE STAFF REPORT IS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO DON'T SLEEP ON THE FACT THAT YOU CAN ADD THINGS OR REMOVE THINGS, OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHATEVER, AND HAVE THAT PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.
I JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TRYING TO BRING A CASE THAT'S EITHER NOT HEARD YET.
OR, THAT MEANS WE CAN'T WORKSHOP A SPECIFIC CASE.
YOU CAN'T WORKSHOP IT BEFORE IT'S BEING PRESENTED AND THEN AFTER IT'S BEING HEARD, TALKING ABOUT IT AFTER THE FACT, THAT'S WHERE KIND OF AND I UNDERSTAND AND I'M WITH YOU ON THAT, SO I GET THAT.
SO THAT WOULD MAKE MY QUESTION CLEARLY A NO, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DISCUSSION OUTSIDE OF THE, I GET IT. SO WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES.
SO COMING BACK TO COMMISSION WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW AND ON OCCASION WE DO HAVE SOME BIGGER CASES.
WELL I KIND OF WANTED TO DO THE THING ABOUT MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT TO ME IS A VERY YOU'VE JUST MADE A VERY BROAD STATEMENT.
THEY HAVE TO PUT AN AMERICAN FLAG UP.
WHAT IS THE LIMITATIONS? AND SHOULDN'T THERE NOT BE LIMITATIONS ON HOW YOU TRY TO TELL SOMEBODY HOW TO DEVELOP? BOARD MEMBERS IS ONE.
YEAH. YOU WILL HAVE A MAJORITY VOTE.
I MEAN, TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED AT THAT MEETING.
IT'S CRITICAL THAT YOU DO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE STAYED HERE LATE BEFORE.
YOU'RE NOT UNFAMILIAR WITH THAT? SO THAT'S THE FORUM AND THE TIME FOR IT.
AND THEN AS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU CAN GET AS SPECIFIC AS YOU WANT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS TO BE A KIND OF A RATIONAL NEXUS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF CONCERNED WITH.
YOU KNOW, I USE THE RECOMMENDATIONS I DID.
IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE, WE START GOING INTO YOU COULD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD MAKE IT COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THE PERSON TO ACTUALLY PERFORM AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
YOU GOT TO REMEMBER STAN, IT GOES.
OUR RECOMMENDATION GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES TO AN END.
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SO I DO THINK THAT THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WE DO NEED TO TRY AND DISCUSS.I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEND RECOMMENDATIONS IN LIEU OF JUST AN UP OR DOWN VOTE, BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T THAT JUST SAYS COLLECTIVELY WE DON'T LIKE IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY REASON.
AND WHEN IT GETS TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY'RE STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO.
THEY'RE STARTING FROM WHERE WE STARTED.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.
AND I WOULD ON YOUR COMMENT, IF WE DO HAVE SOME LARGER ONES, WHICH WE HAVE HAD, IF THERE IS CONSENSUS THAT, HEY, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMMISSION SHOULD PROBABLY GO AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR WHAT WE SEE AND WHAT WE HEARD IS REPEATED. REMEMBER, THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP HERE ARE SHOWING UP AT THEIR MEETING TOO.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF THE SAME THING.
BUT I THINK THATS JUST A DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO GO.
AND IF WE HAVE A DEAL, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT. YES, SIR.
SO LET ME ASK, THIS IS MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS STAFF.
SO LET ME BACK UP HERE A LITTLE BIT.
SO THE SHORT TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, 2 OR 3 PUDS HAVE COME UP WITH ALL THESE REQUESTS FOR DEVIATIONS FROM THE LDR, THE APPLICANTS, TO MY RECOLLECTION, HAVE STATED THAT THEY WERE GUIDED BY STAFF TO USE A PUD WHEN A COUPLE OF TIMES I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY WANTED WITH THE EXISTING LDR, AM I.
IS THAT YES? NO? AM I READING THAT WRONG? CAN I? I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER BECAUSE THIS COMES UP A LOT.
LOOK, AND I'M GOING TO USE THE LAST CASE, WHEN THOSE APPLICANTS COME TO STAFF'S JOB IN MY OPINION, IS TO GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE LDR'S AND THROUGH THE RULES TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN HAVE APPROVED.
YOU'VE NEVER HAD AN APPLICANT COME AND NOT LISTEN TO WHAT YOU TELL THEM, ADRIEL.
OKAY. THEY'RE COMING AND REQUESTING GUIDANCE FROM STAFF.
AND REALLY, IT'S NOT OUR POSITION TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, RIGHT? OUR POSITION IS TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS YOU TO DO IF YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT DOWN THIS PATH OR THAT PATH.
THEY END UP CHOOSING WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
BUT THE COMMENT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, IT APPEARS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED IT.
I SHOULDN'T SAY ANY, BUT ANY REASONABLE, MEANS OF, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE OR COMPLIANCE IN LIEU OF WITH ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, MITIGATION, MITIGATING FACTORS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THERE ARE TWO REASONS TO GET A PUD THAT YOU HAVE.
YOU'RE REQUESTING DEVIATIONS OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRIVATE STREET OKAY.
THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE SHORT TURNAROUND TIME WHEN WE GET THESE DOCUMENTS VIA EMAIL TO OUR MEETING, IT'S, THREE DAYS, RIGHT? IS THERE CAN WE GET IT? USUALLY WE SEND IT OUT ON FRIDAY I BELIEVE FRIDAY MORNING, BUT IT'S STILL SHORT.
YEAH. OKAY. IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.
WELL WHEN WE DO THAT THOUGH THERE'S AN UPSTREAM EFFECT TO THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL BECAUSE THEN, YOU KNOW, STAFF NEEDS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO REVIEW AND ADEQUATELY COMMENT AND GENERATE THE REPORTS AND IF YOU BACK IT UP TOO TERRIBLY FAR, THEN WE'RE ASKING FOR THE INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE THOSE DEADLINES BACK AS WELL OR FORWARD.
HOWEVER, YOU'D HAVE TO MOVE THOSE DEADLINES, YOU KNOW, TO AN EARLIER DATE FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND THEN THAT CAN SOMETIMES CAUSE PROBLEMS. THIS IS REALLY OUR THOUGHT AND WHAT BEST WORKS.
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ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK YOU THROUGH ANY OF THESE THINGS.
IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ADDED THINGS TO THE PUD, LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I THINK ONE.
WE HAD SOMEONE HERE NOT THAT LONG AGO TO TALK ABOUT.
SO WE HAVE IN THE PAST ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS TO THE PUD.
SO IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T THINK WE DON'T KNOW WE CAN DO IT.
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IT'S JUST SO EXPANSIVE THAT WE'RE WE GET LOST IN THE MINUTIA OF ALL THE THINGS THAT A PUD IS REQUESTING, YOU KNOW? AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T GET OUT WHAT WE WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, AT THE END.
BUT IF WE I THINK PART OF IT IS, IS I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE PUDS EARLIER.
MAYBE WE REORDER THE WAY WE DO THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA.
THAT WAY WE'RE NOT RUSHED, YOU KNOW, THINKING, OH MY GOD, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THE CLOCK.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
AND ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAS DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME CAN BE ANSWERED.
I THINK THAT'S AN EASY FIX AND ANTHONY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED.
THE DEAL IS THE PROCESS HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND AT SOME TIME AND AGAIN, REMEMBER WE'RE NOT MAKING THE FINAL DECISION ON THIS.
WE'RE COLLECTING ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAN AND SENDING IT WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT THE PROCESS HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.
AND YOU GOT TO REMEMBER, IT COMES HERE.
AND THEN USUALLY IT'S ALMOST A MONTH BEFORE CITY COUNCIL GETS IT.
SO THAT'S USUALLY WHEN THE BALL GETS ROLLING IF THERE'S A BALL TO ROLL.
WITH THE AGENDA, THE CHAIRMAN HAS THE ABILITY TO SHIFT THE AGENDA AROUND.
SOME PUD'S WILL GENERATE A LOT OF FOLKS COMING IN AND SOME PUD'S SIMPLY WILL NOT.
SITTING HERE AS 30 PEOPLE ARE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST THE PUD.
THEY WANT TO BE HEARD TOO, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY AT 6:30 AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S REALLY A FIVE MINUTE, INTERACTION FOR THEM FOR THE MOST PART.
SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE ROOM.
STAFF IS WILLING TO STAY IF THERE'S NO OTHER FOLKS FOR THEIR CASES.
SO IF YOU WANT TO SAY, WELL, IT'S ONLY KYLE.
KYLE, YOU GET TO STAY HERE BY YOURSELF.
I'M HERE. I MEAN, JUST READ THE ROOM.
THE OTHER NOTE THAT I MADE WAS REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, AND YOU SAID JUST THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, I THINK YOU SAID FOR APPROVAL, IF YOUR RECOMMENDED.
NO, YOU MEANT ALL RECOMMENDATIONS.
BECAUSE WHAT I WROTE WAS EVEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DENIAL.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THEY SHOULD HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THEM I AGREE.
THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO COMMUNICATE TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT WHY DID PLANNING COMMISSION? PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND DENIAL IN THIS CASE.
YEAH. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW ANOTHER THING THAT YOU CAN JUST ADD.
AND IT COULD ALSO HAVE A DENIAL WITH A RECOMMENDATION AND THE RECOMMEND.
IF THE RECOMMENDATION WAS DONE, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE MADE IT AN APPROVAL.
SO IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SHOULD WE, MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRUCTURED IN LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL WAIVER THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IN THE PUD? IN OTHER WORDS, JUST LET'S GO DOWN THE LIST AND AND DISCUSS EACH ONE AMONGST US TO GET A YAY OR NAY ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IN ESSENCE, IF WE SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM, WE NEED TO BE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON EACH INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATION.
TRUE. I THINK THAT WOULD JUST KIND OF BE THE NATURAL FIT.
AND THEN THERE ALSO MAY BE SOME.
REMEMBER, STAN, WE CAN ALSO HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SAY.
SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY SHOULD HAVE A CAT PARK WITH THE DOG PARK.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST BEING FACETIOUS, BUT SAME THING.
YEAH. KIND OF CHRONOLOGICALLY GO THROUGH THE, YES.
[01:10:07]
YES, SIR. OKAY.COUNCILMEMBER LISTOWSKI, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT SIMPLY THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO REVIEW THIS CASE, THAT THEY COULD NOT SAY THAT THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS.
THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN FROM LEGAL STANDPOINT.
YOU HAVE PROPERLY REVIEWED IT.
AND IF YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, YAY OR NAY AND YOU GIVE THE REASONS BEHIND THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEN WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT KIND OF QUASHES THAT, YES, IT DOES IN COURT.
YES, SIR. I WOULD ECHO THAT, AND SAY THAT TRY TO STAY CONSISTENT ON THESE PUDS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PUDS AND I WOULD SAY THEY ARE NOT CONSISTENT.
AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE ON THEM, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS COUNCIL DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER YOU DENY IT OR APPROVE IT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PUDS HAVE BEEN DENIED HERE AND THEN GOT APPROVED AT COUNCIL.
AND SO ANY MORE INSIGHT THAT YOU CAN GIVE COUNCIL WILL DEFINITELY HELP YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT A WORKSHOP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEFER THESE CASES IF YOU DO NEED MORE INFORMATION.
BUT I WOULD SAY LOOK AT THE TIMELINE.
IF IT DOESN'T SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT YOU DEFER.
YOU KNOW, THESE PUDS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE GETTING A KIND OF BAD RAP.
JUST WHEN PEOPLE SAY PUD IT REMINDS ME OF WHAT WE USED TO HAVE.
PEOPLE, LIKE, HATED SUP AT THE END OF THE AT THE TIME PERIOD WHEN WE HAD THOSE.
AND SO IT THE PUD IS BECOMING.
IT SEEMS LIKE AND IT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES IN THIS PROCESS.
I MEAN THE DECISIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT ALL OVER THE BOARD.
YOU KNOW WE'VE SEEN SMALL LOTS GET APPROVED.
WE'VE SEEN SMALL LOTS GET DENIED.
WE'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS GO BOTH WAYS.
SO JUST TRY TO STAY CONSISTENT.
YOU KNOW, AND REMEMBER THAT THE PUD IS BASICALLY A ZONING CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PUD'S GET PUSHED OR SOME OF THESE CASES GET PUSHED IN THE PUD DIRECTION BECAUSE AN OUTRIGHT ZONING CHANGE WOULD GRANT THEM THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO.
WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PUD, YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT UP FRONT.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE, YOU'RE ABLE TO CONDITION IT.
AND I THINK THE CITY GETS A BETTER DEAL AT THE END OF THE DAY BY GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAN GOING THROUGH A REZONE AND OPENING UP ALL THE USES THAT COULD BE WITHIN THAT ZONING CATEGORY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT TOOL TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PUDS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THAT HAVE ASKED FOR MINIMAL VARIANCE REQUEST THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED.
AND NOW WE'RE SEEING THESE PROJECTS GET DEVELOPED ANYWAY THROUGH OTHER MEANS, AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEM AND WE DIDN'T GET THE THINGS THAT WE COULD HAVE GOT BY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I THINK THIS APPROACH DOES INCREASE THE BURDEN ON THE COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT THESE CASES AND NOT JUST BE THINKING IN TERMS OF YAY OR NAY, BUT ALSO IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO GET THERE AND, YOU KNOW, HELP THE APPLICANT ACCOMPLISH THEIR OBJECTIVES, BUT ALSO MEET OUR OBJECTIVES AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, A LITTLE MORE TIME, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE NICE.
I THINK IT'S A DEFINITE POSITIVE MOVE.
AND YOU KNOW WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY TOOLS IN THE BOX.
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BUT AND IT IS I CAN TELL YOU IT'S BETTER THAN SUPS.YEAH. SO AND I WILL ADD, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO THAT, POINT THAT IT'S A TOOL.
VARIOUS CITIES USE DIFFERENT TOOLS.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A VARIANCE, COULD BE THE SUP, COULD BE A PUD.
A PUD IS PRETTY TYPICAL IN MOST CITIES.
IN MANY CITIES AT LEAST AND IT'S YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE YOUR REGULATIONS ARE SO, PRESCRIPTIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT NARROWS DOWN THE DEVELOPERS OPTIONS ON WHAT THEIR PROJECT CAN EVEN BE WITHOUT AN ALTERNATIVE MEANS.
THE ALTERNATIVE MEANS IS REALLY WHAT THE PUD IS.
AND IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE MEANS TO STILL ACHIEVE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE DISTRICT IS SEEKING WITH, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY MINOR, YOU KNOW, VARIANCES.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S A PROCESS THAT'S NECESSARY.
I MEAN, WITHOUT SUCH A PROCESS IN PLACE, THE CITY COULD BE OPENED UP TO LAWSUITS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES THAT COULDN'T DEVELOP WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
IT'S A PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, USED TOOL IN MANY CITIES.
THE REAL RISK COMES AT AT WHAT POINT, YOU KNOW, DO YOU GRANT, WHAT SHOULD BE A FAIRLY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF DISCRETIONARY.
WHAT'S THE WORD, DISCRETION MAYBE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF GIVEN THE SHOP AWAY.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT EITHER, BUT IF YOU DO IT, EVEN A LITTLE OR A LOT, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME BACK WITH A SYSTEM THAT ALSO GETS A LITTLE OR A LOT TO MITIGATE THE OFFSETS.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE TOOL IS ALL ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING.
BUT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKE THE CALL AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT AND LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT PERFECT THE FIRST TIME BY ANY MEANS. BUT AS WE SEE MORE AND MORE OF THESE I THINK EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD.
BUT AT LEAST WE'LL, HAVE A QUESTION.
YES, SIR. SO I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE COUPLE OF PUD THAT, WE HEARD THE TOPIC THAT ALWAYS COMES UP IS PUBLIC SAFETY.
SO WHAT CONFUSES ME THEN, IS IN THOSE REPORTS, IT INDICATES THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PEOPLE, THE POLICE AND FIRE SAID WE HAVE NO OBJECTION, BUT THE PUBLIC COMES HERE AND RAISES ALL KINDS OF OBJECTIONS AROUND THAT ONE ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THIS BEFOREHAND AROUND ALL AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY, IN THE GUIDANCE FOR THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPER OR INVESTOR TO SPEAK FOR STAFF? AND I KNOW STAFF SHOULD RESPOND, BUT I MEAN, THE STAFF REPORT IS CLEAR IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION AND STAFF WILL ALWAYS RESPOND TO, WELL, WHAT DID THE FIRE MARSHAL SAY OR PUBLIC WORKS SAY? THE REASON WHY I KIND OF JUMPED IN THERE, BECAUSE.
THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF THE IN-DEPTH WORK THAT GOES TO PRESENT THESE CASES, NOT ONLY THERE ARE PREDEVELOPED MEETINGS THAT STAFF WILL HAVE WITH THE APPLICANTS, BUT THE NUMEROUS.
REVIEWS OF WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO THEM, AS WE KIND OF DISCUSSED ALREADY, AND I DON'T EVEN THINK PLANNING COMMISSION IS FULLY AWARE OF THE WORK THAT STAFF DOES JUST TO PRESENT A CASE HERE.
AND SO THE PUBLIC, THEY'LL LOOK AT THINGS LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE AND LET'S BE CLEAR, WHAT I KIND OF HEARD IN MOST OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS THAT DREADED THREE LETTER STR.
I MEAN, IT KIND OF REALLY CAME DOWN TO FOLKS'S FEELINGS ON THAT.
SO I'LL LET STAFF ANSWER THAT, OF COURSE.
BUT REALLY, WHEN THE PUBLIC, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS ON JUST HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S SAFETY OR WHETHER IT IS AN STR ISSUE OR WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST DON'T WANT THEM IN MY BACKYARD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BLOCK MY VIEW.
[01:20:07]
IF YOU DO NOT GET AN ANSWER, STAFF DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER.THEN ASK FOR THE FIRE MARSHAL TO COME IN.
AND IF IT NEEDS A DEFERRAL OR IF STAFF IS AWARE OF IT BEFOREHAND, SAY, HEY, I WOULD LIKE THE FIRE MARSHAL OR REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE PRESENT AT THIS MEETING. STAFF WILL ENDEAVOR TO DO THAT.
AND YEAH, AND WE CERTAINLY CAN UPON REQUEST AT ANY TIME, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU CALL US EARLY, BEFORE THE MEETING AND SAY, HEY, I'VE GOT A CONCERN ABOUT THIS, COULD WE HAVE THE FIRE MARSHAL ATTEND? WE CAN CERTAINLY STRIVE TO GET THEM THERE.
OR THE CITY ENGINEER OR WHOEVER IN THE LOOP.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT LOOP THAT LOOK AT THIS STUFF.
THE STAFF IS MOTIVATED TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY.
OKAY? SO WHAT THEY PERCEIVE MAY NOT BE THE SAME THING THAT STAFF PERCEIVES.
YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST GIVE THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF THE ISSUE OF THE EAST END PROJECT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED FORMALLY YET BY NAME.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO PUT A NAME IN IT, BUT THAT EAST END PROJECT, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT DENSITY COMING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE FOUR TIMES AS DENSE AS THE PROJECT WAS INTENDED TO, AS THE SUBJECT PROJECT WAS.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MOTIVATIONS.
THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THEIR COMPELLING MOTIVATIONS, THAT THEY'RE THE MOTIVATIONS THAT THEY SEE AND THEY FEEL AND, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE HEARD, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN ALL THIS.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHEN THE STAFF AND ALL THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THAT LOOP OF REVIEW ARE LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE DOING IT FROM, YOU KNOW, A SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, A I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BEST SAY IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT'S BACK LOOKING AT IT FROM A CITY STAFF POINT, IT JUST IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU SEE FROM SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT IT AS AN AFFECTED CITIZEN NEXT TO THEM.
AND ALSO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHO'S LOOKING AT IT.
SO THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
OH, THE FIRE MARSHAL HAD NO OBJECTION.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS, MOVING FORWARD.
AND HE IT'S NOT LIKE HE JUST ARBITRARILY SAYS YES OR NO TO THIS.
I MEAN, THESE, DEVELOPMENTS GO THROUGH PLAN REVIEW.
AND IF THEY DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA THAT IS IN THE NATIONAL FIRE CODE, THEY DON'T GET APPROVED.
SO WHEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE ISSUES AND FIRE LANES AND PARKING AND THAT HAS GONE DOWN THE LIST OF CODES AND REQUIREMENTS, AND IT EITHER IS APPROVED OR IT'S NOT APPROVED AND IT'S NOT APPROVED.
THE FIRE MARSHAL OR THE OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY STAFF IS NOT GOING TO SEND YOU SOMETHING UP HERE THAT DOESN'T MEET OUR CODES, BUT THE PUBLIC CAN GET UP HERE AND SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT, NO MATTER WHAT.
AND YOU LISTEN TO IT, OF COURSE.
AND BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU GOT TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT.
SO PUBLIC SAFETY IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS GONE OVER THE HEAVIEST WHEN THEY REVIEW THESE PLANS. ALL RIGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE GOT A COMMENT? SO THANKS, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS.
AND WE'LL MAKE AN EFFORT TO KIND OF CHANGE THINGS UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MOVING FORWARD.
I THINK WE ALL HAVE AN IDEA THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO.
I DON'T HAVE THAT PAGE, BUT I THINK IT'S [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU WHAT DID RICKY BOBBY SAY? IS VERY SHORT.
THE AGENDA ITEM I WANT TO [INAUDIBLE] OH, MEETING PROCEDURES AND DECORUM.
[01:25:10]
REGARDS TO HOW THEY WERE TALKING TO THE AUDIENCE.AND SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ESPECIALLY, ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, THAT DISCUSSION IS AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS, AND IT MAY JUST BE HABIT FORMING THAT YOU LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK OUT AT MR. SMITH, MR. SMITH THINKS YOU'RE TALKING DIRECTLY TO HIM AND HE'S GOING TO WANT TO RESPOND TO YOU I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANT THIS PROJECT TO GO FORWARD TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT MR. SMITH IS GOING, OH, I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL.
I'M GOING TO HE'S GOING TO WANT THAT BACK AND FORTH ONCE THAT MOTION IS IN PLAY.
IT IS A DISCUSSION AMONGST THE GROUP.
I DID GET A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, IF THE DISCUSSION AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS NEEDS TO END BECAUSE A QUESTION EITHER FOR STAFF OR MAYBE EVEN FOR THE APPLICANT HAS ARISEN DURING THAT DISCUSSION, HOW DOES THE BOARD GET ANY OF THOSE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED? THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS FOR SOMEBODY TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THE DISCUSSION BASED ON.
WE NEED TO ASK STAFF OR TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
AND IF IT IS TABLED, THEN YOU CAN GO BACK AND EITHER ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
I TAKE THAT BACK. YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF, BUT IF IT'S ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR I WOULD ONLY ASSUME IT WOULD BE THE APPLICANT. IF THERE'S SOME NECESSITY TO OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN.
THEN AGAIN, BASED ON THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED AND VOTED FOR THE PUBLIC, COMMENT PERIOD TO BE OPEN, THAT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION AT THAT TIME.
SO IF THERE'S A TIME WHERE YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC AGAIN, YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO IF YOU NEED TO ASK STAFF ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE YOU CAN.
I WOULD PREFER FOR YOU TO TABLE IT AS WELL AND ASK STAFF OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETIMES IT CAN BE [INAUDIBLE], CAN THEY DO SUCH AND SUCH, OR IS THE THIS HEIGHT SUCH AND SUCH? I UNDERSTAND WHEN THOSE SITUATIONS CAN ARISE, BUT JUST TRY TO REMEMBER THAT THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THESE THINGS.
THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW THAT WHEN APPLICANTS COME UP HERE, IT IS VERY COMMON THAT FOLKS KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND THEY'LL SAY, HEY, BRUCE.
AT LEAST INITIALLY, LET'S JUST AT LEAST INITIALLY SAYS MY NAME IS BRUCE SO-AND-SO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT JUST WHEN SOMEBODY LISTENS TO THE RECORD, BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE RECORDED, IT ALWAYS GOES BACK TO, WELL, IS THERE SOME SORT OF RELATIONSHIP OR SOMETHING THERE JUST ON A FIRST NAME BASIS HERE? NOT VERY OFTEN, BUT YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY TIMES FOLKS ARE.
STAFF AND LEGAL ARE ASKED THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A HOT BUTTON TOPIC THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS. YEAH, I THINK THOSE WERE KIND OF ABOUT IT.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT.
I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK YOU COVERED IT.
YEAH. WHEN COUNCIL MEMBERS APPEAR TO PRESENT BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS, THEY ARE TYPICALLY PRESENTING THEMSELVES IN THEIR OWN PERSON. IF WE CAN BE COGNIZANT NOT TO CALL THEM COUNCILMEN.
SO. AND SO WHEN THEY COME UP TO THE DAIS AND PRETTY MUCH.
AND COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI WILL HE KNOWS VERY WELL I CAN'T REALLY RECALL TOO MANY COUNCILORS, COUNCILMAN IN MY YEARS HERE THAT WILL COME IN AND SAY I REPRESENT SO AND SO, AND I'M PRESENTING AS COUNCILMAN SO AND SO.
SO IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE CITY COUNCIL, THEN THEY'RE JUST COMING UP HERE AS THEIR OWN PERSON AND THEY'LL SAY, MY NAME IS SUCH AND SUCH AND I DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT, OR I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, PLEASE DO NOT REFER TO THEM AS COUNCIL PERSON.
[01:30:06]
YES. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.I'VE HEARD A COUNCIL PERSON COME AND SAY I'M COUNCILMAN AND SO AND I'M REPRESENTING MY DISTRICT.
I'VE HEARD THAT A COUPLE TIMES.
SO ARE THEY NOT ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT TO THEM AS A COUNCIL PERSON WHEN THEY STATE THAT'S THEIR STATED GOAL? NOW THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IF THEY'RE REPRESENTING THEIR DISTRICT, THEIR DISTRICT VOTED THEM IN AS A SPOKESPERSON FOR THAT DISTRICT.
IF A COUNCIL PERSON IS COMING IN HERE SAYING, I'M A COUNCIL PERSON AND I'M SAYING ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL, THEN THEY CANNOT DO THAT UNLESS CITY COUNCIL HAS SAID, YES, YOU CAN DO THAT.
YEAH MAYBE I HAVE TO GO BACK BUT I MEAN COUNCIL I MEAN YOU'RE THE EX OFFICIO.
WOULD YOU GO INTO A MEETING AND SAY YOU REPRESENT YOU DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF HOA OR WHATEVER? I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE LAW LIKE YOU DO, OF COURSE, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT I COULD COME IN HERE AND SAY, HEY, I'M COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI, I REPRESENT DISTRICT FIVE AND I'M, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN MY DISTRICT.
IN THE DISTRICT. RIGHT? AND IF MY CONSTITUENTS DIDN'T LIKE THAT, THEY COULD VOTE ME OUT OF OFFICE NEXT GO ROUND.
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE.
I MEAN, BUT I YEAH, I THINK IT'S HOW THEY PRESENT THEMSELVES.
IF THE PERSON, SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZES THEMSELVES AS A COUNCIL PERSON, THEN I'M LISTENING VERY CLOSELY AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PRESENT. BUT AT THE AT IN PARTICULAR, AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT PERSON DID NOT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS A COUNCIL PERSON.
SO WE JUST GOT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT.
AND I'LL WORK ON THE LAST NAMES.
I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST NAMES.
I'LL WORK ON IT. MA'AM, I HEAR YOU.
MY WIFE TOLD ME THE SAME THING, SO I'M GETTING IT FROM TWO ENDS.
AND THAT DID BRING UP THAT QUESTION THAT I ADDRESS MOST EVERYBODY UP HERE BY THEIR FIRST NAME.
AND, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR MR. MONTALVAN OVER THERE.
TO YOU, SIR. YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROCEDURES, YOU KNOW, THE LAST MEETING, WE DID ALLOW A ZOOM CALL IN HERE, RIGHT? WE ARE NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE.
RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S UNDER REVIEW, OKAY.
AND AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, THIS WAS JUST A REQUEST THAT CAME FROM CITY SECRETARY TO SET UP A ZOOM CALL.
BUT COMMISSIONERS CAN ATTEND THE COMMISSION MEETING BY ZOOM MEETING.
YOU DON'T COUNT AS I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER RULES.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU GUYS ALL HAVE A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS AND WE'LL BE ADJOURNED.
YES MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.