>>GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. [1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER] [00:00:02] IT IS 9AM. LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALLED THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON TO ORDER FOR DECEMBER 14TH. I WANTED TO WELCOME COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING TO YOU. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE THAT'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, MAINLY STAFF MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. FOR THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THE BROADCAST. WANTED TO WISH EVERYBODY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND CITY COUNCIL EVERYONE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY HOLIDAYS. WE DO HAVE OUR COUNCIL SEAT IT BUT LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> MAYOR BROWN. >> PRESENT. >> MAYOR PRO TEM. COLLINS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LOUIS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKLY. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER. >> PRESENT >> COUNCIL MEMBER LIST ASCII. >> AIR. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROD. >> PRESENT. >>BEFORE WE START OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS, SO COUNCIL, I'D HAVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING CHORES TO MENTION TO YOU ON OUR AGENDAS THIS MORNING AND THIS AFTERNOON. FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T OWN THE WORKSHOP. ITEM 3G, DISCUSSION OF REINSTATING IN-PERSON MEETINGS HAS BEEN DEFERRED. SO THAT WILL BE COMING UP ON A FUTURE COUNCIL WORKSHOP, ALSO ON ITEM 8D ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WILL NEED TO BE A VOTE OF A SUPER MAJORITY THAT WILL REQUIRE SIX COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPROVE THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. >>WHY IS THAT? >>BECAUSE OF MORE THAN 20% OF THE LAND OWNER MASS IS AGAINST THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. >>ONE PERSON? >>[BACKGROUND] YES, MAYOR. ALSO, IF IT MET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, FOLLOWING ITEMS 3B THIS MORNING WITH OUR WORKSHOP. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 3K AND 3L TO FOLLOW 3B AND MOVE IT UP TOWARDS THE TOP. THAT'S THE HOT CONTRACT AND IT'S THE ALSO THE BUDGET FOR THE PART BOARD. YES, MAYOR. >>IF IF I MAY? I HAVE SEVERAL EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN GRANDKIDS AND DIFFERENT CHRISTMAS STUFF TONIGHT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AS MANY AS WE CAN TONIGHT, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO LET THEM BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES SO IF WE CAN GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED THIS MORNING. WE'D APPRECIATE IT. >>THANK YOU, BRIAN. WE SURELY WILL. ALSO HAD A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THIS AFTERNOON AT OUR MEETING IF WE COULD MOVE UP THE ACTION ITEMS 12A AND 12B TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE WITH HIS DAUGHTERS CHRISTMAS FUNCTIONS IF COUNCIL FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >>IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR. >>LET'S JUST CANCELED TONIGHT. >> YOU ARE [LAUGHTER]. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNCIL VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3A PLEASE CHANEL. [3.A. Clarification of Consent and Regular City Council Agenda Items - This is an opportunity for City Council to ask questions of Staff on Consent and Regular Agenda Items (1 hour)] >> 3A CLARIFICATION OF CONSENT AND REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. >> VERY GOOD. COUNCIL FRANKLY, WE DO LIKE TO LEAD US OFF? >> RIGHT THERE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM 11T. >> DID YOU SEE AS IN TOM, THIS IS REGARDING THE AD SERVICES FOR STAN TECH CONSULTING. HEY ROB. [BACKGROUND] JUST A QUICK QUESTION. KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT THEY FOUND, WHAT WAS WARRANTED RELATED TO WHY THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES. >> WE MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE DESIGN BASED ON 60% AND A PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE HAD. IT'S REALLY TO GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ACCESS DURING CONSTRUCTION. WE MOVED THE BIG JUNCTION BOX 10 FEET TO THE NORTH. WHAT THAT DID IS THEY ACTUALLY SHORTEN THE DISTANCE WE HAVE FROM TURNS INTO LINEUP TO GO THROUGH THE PUMPS. WE NEED TO REMODEL THAT AND I SHOULD GET A PHYSICAL MODEL AND NOT CAUSE ANY TORSIONAL EFFECTS ON THOSE PUMPS. >> WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO TRY TO KEEP PRESERVE ACCESS TO THE HUMPS. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> EASY ENOUGH. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE TODAY? >> WE'LL TALK THE WEBINAR LATER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN COLLEGE. >> I THINK I'M OKAY. I AM. WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING MOST OF THE INTERESTING THINGS BY THEMSELVES. >>OKAY, I SHOULDN'T PUT IT THAT WAY. THEY'RE SAYING THINGS ABOUT WHICH I HAVE QUESTIONS. WE'RE GOIN TO BE TALKING ABOUT SEPARATELY. WE KNOW THAT JOHN PAUL IS GOING TO BE COVERING THE BASICS FORCE HERE ANYWAY. COUNCILMAN LISTS DOWN SKINNY THING, SIR. >> 11B REVOKING THE ABANDONMENT. [00:05:01] >> YEAH. >> DO WE NOT HAVE SOME TYPE OF PROVISION ALREADY TO DO THIS? >> WE HAVE PUT ONE IN THE NEWER ONES, BUT THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT A ROLE THAT DON'T HAVE THAT PROVISION IN SO LAST YEAR WE HAD A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE ABANDONED MEN'S HAD BEEN MADE AND IT TURNED OUT THEY DIDN'T MAKE THE PAYMENT FOR TWO YEARS AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS IN SO WE'D HAVE A MECHANISM TO GUIDE US IN THE FUTURE. >>NOW WE ACTUALLY PUT THIS MECHANISM INTO THE PAPERWORK WITH OUR BAND OF MINUTES AS WELL AS A PROCESS. HOW MANY OF YOUR OUTSTANDING? >>I CAN THINK OF 1 MAYBE 2. MY ACCOUNT IS COMING IN AND NEXT WEEK, YOU MAY HAVE AN ISSUE. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING. >>I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU RECALL, I JUST SAT DOWN ON COUNCIL VERY EARLY. WE PUT A TIME LIMIT ON EVALUATION [NOISE]. WHAT'S NOT IN THE ABANDONMENT ITSELF. [NOISE] WE WOULDN'T EVEN AT THIS POINT KNOW WHAT THAT VALUE [NOISE] IS. WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN. >>WE KNOW THAT'S CORRECT AND WE DON'T HAVE WILD THE VALUES HAVE BEEN LATELY. >> YEAH. OKAY.11E THINK WE DO [NOISE] I HAVE THAT. GO AHEAD.11E. MAIL SERVICES. THIS IS AN ONGOING THING, BUT THIS ONE WAS THE FIRST ONE I CAME TO. THIS IS A CONTRACT THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. WE'VE OUTSOURCED THIS BEFORE. NONE OF OUR STAFF REPORTS REALLY REFERENCE ANY OF THE PAST CONTRACTS. COULD WE DO THAT? >>WE CAN. >>I MEAN, IT'D BE GREAT IF WE LOOK AT THIS STUFF AND BECAUSE WE GET ALL THESE CONTRACTS AND WE DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THEY COMPARE WITH PAST HISTORY. >>OKAY. >>WE GET CONTRACT AND WE GO, LOOKS, I GUESS I'LL PROVE IT AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT BESIDES JUST ESTABLISHED FOR IN THE CONTRACT ITSELF AND COMPARE. >> FOR YOU, IT'S FOR OUR CONTRACT. >> THAT'D BE GREAT ON THESE THINGS THAT RECUR LIKE THIS IS A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT. WE WON'T SEE THIS AGAIN UNTIL THREE YEARS FROM NOW. >> BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE CAPACITY IN THE SYSTEM [INAUDIBLE]. >>ARE YOU LOOKING JUST LIKE A FINANCIAL SUMMARY AND MAYBE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE. >>I MEAN, HOWEVER [OVERLAPPING]. >>YOU CAN GIVE US A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. IT'D BE GREAT TO SEE WHAT OUR PAST CONTRACT WAS AND HOW THIS COMPARES TO THE PAST. >> EASY TO ATTACH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CONTRACT WITH THE PROPORTIONS. >> SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED FOR PREVIOUS CONTRACT WAS THIS MUCH, THIS IS PR OR NOT PERFECT, BUT IN THIS ONE WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT A 25,000 PIECES THAT GO OUT IN THE MAIL EACH MONTH, 300,000 A YEAR. YOU CAN DIVIDE THAT BY THE CONTRACT AND [BACKGROUND] WE'RE PAYING LIKE $0.31 A LET HER KNOW FOR THIS. HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH PREVIOUS STUFF OR I DON'T KNOW. >>I THINK IT'S EASIER TO JUST TO ATTACH THE CONTRACT RABID. >> SOME HAVE THAT THEY'D BEEN BID OUT, SO THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME COMPARISON VINSON KNOW. >> THAT'S ANOTHER THING. I MEAN, WE GET THESE CONTRACTS AND THEY HAVE BEEN BID OUT, BUT WE DON'T SEE THE OTHER BIDDERS OR WHO BID ON IT. >> WHILE THERE HAS BEEN ONE OF THEM, THERE WERE. >> ONE OF THEM THERE WAS YES. >>CORRECT. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM WE IT GETS BID OUT. WE DON'T SEE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BIDDING PROCESS OR HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER [INAUDIBLE]. WE JUST SEE ONE THAT YOU ALL CHOSE? >> IS THAT OUR PURVIEW? LIKE THAT INFORMATION, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE BID PROCESS. >> IT IS JUST NICE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BRING UP ANOTHER ONE HERE A LITTLE LATER. I WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I'VE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE ON A PREVIOUS ONE, THAT SAME CONTRACTOR BID ON WHO ELSE BID ON THIS. DID WE BUILD THIS OUT? BUT NONE OF THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. I'M NOT LOOKING TO COMPARE BIDS AND SAY YOU SHOULD GO WITH THIS GUY. I JUST WANTED TO THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND JUST REASSURE ME THAT THE PROCESSES AND GLYCINE. >> I CAN GUESS WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >>MAYBE THERE'LL BE COMING UP. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY TYPE OF STANDARD TEMPLATE THAT THE DEPARTMENTS USE WHEN THEY GENERATE. >> WE DO. >> YOU DO? IS THAT TEMPLATE ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS? >> OF COURSE DEPARTMENTS, AND NOW SHOULD BE PRETTY STANDARD. [00:10:01] >> 11I. >> 11I. >> JUST A QUESTION FOR THE CHEAP ON THIS ONE. INSIDE THE REPORT IT SAYS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN SINCE 2010. HOW DO YOU USE THIS SOFTWARE? THIS IS CENTRAL SQUARE. >> AFTER 2008 AFTER I [INAUDIBLE] >> CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE. >> I'M SORRY. >> SORRY AS WELL. [NOISE] >> DENVER. >> THANK YOU. THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN FORCE AFTER THE UNAUTHORIZED STRENGTH OF THE DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN SINCE THEN TO THE POINT OF 168 WHERE IT IS NOW. THE LICENSING IN THOSE MATTERS HAVE INCREASED OVER TIME. >> SO THIS IS INCREASE IN THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF OFFICERS SINCE 2010 THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN INCREASE IN [INAUDIBLE] >> OVERTIME SIR. >> THAT'S THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> THANK YOU. >> 11 J LASKER POOL I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE ARE GETTING A GRANT FOR THIS AND I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY NEEDED BECAUSE THAT CONCRETE GETS HOT IN THE SUMMERTIME. YOU GET BURNED. I CAN'T HAVE THAT. >> GOOD MORNING, BARBARA. >> COME FORWARD BARBARA BUT NOT IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH THE CAMERA, PLEASE. >> ARE WE RECEIVING OR SENDING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PARKS RECREATION, COMMUNITY OUTREACH? >> WE'VE GOT A GRANT FOR ABOUT HALF OF THIS $50,000. WE'RE MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE ABOUT 60. WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OUTLAY ACCOUNTS? >> THAT IS SOME MONEY THAT WE HAD IN OUR ACCOUNT. WELL, THE CAPITAL OUTLAY IS LIKE OUR RESERVE ACCOUNT FOR THE POOL. THEN THE OTHER IS SPECIAL REVENUE FOR THE POOL. >> WHICH ONE OF THOSE ACCOUNTS IS IN IDC NOW? >> NEITHER IS IDC. >> IDC CONTRIBUTES ANOTHER $400,000, $40,000 A YEAR TO THE POOL. >> WHATEVER PROFIT WE'VE MADE GOES INTO OUR RESERVE ACCOUNT. >> BUT OUR BUDGET IS AT ZERO, CORRECT? >> YES, CORRECT. >> FORECASTED FOR THE ENDO '24. >> PROBABLY IS IDC MONEY THAT HAS FILTERED THROUGH THE POOL AND IS LEFT IN THE RESERVE ACCOUNT. >> YES. >> BUT WE DON'T PUT ANY GENERAL FUND MONEY IN THE POOL. >> IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A FUND BALANCE, 2024 THE FUND BALANCE IS ZERO. IT GOES ALL THE WAY. >> THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD AN INCREASE ON SALARIES FOR PRIVATE BORROWERS WHO ARE ABLE TO HIRE ANYBODY 12 HOURS. >> NO, I UNDERSTAND. I GUESS MY POINT IS WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE POOL AND I WANT TO KEEP THAT THING OPEN. >> WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY OUTSIDE EVENTS UNLESS WE HAVE A SPONSOR NOW. THE POWER PRIMES, THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN JANUARY, WE HAVE A SPONSOR FOR THAT, AND THAT MONEY IS FILTER THROUGH BETTER PARKS FOR GALVESTON WHO TURNS AROUND AND PAYS FOR WHAT WE NEED. >> WE NEED MORE SPONSORS FOR THAT POOL. >> I AGREE. >> BLASTER SOUNDS ALL OVER IT OR SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW. [LAUGHTER] >> COUCILWOMAN ROB HAD ITS REVENUE COMING IN. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I LOVE YOUR JACKET. >> THANK YOU. >> I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON THAT, BUT RESPECTFULNESS. >> SHE ALWAYS DRESS SO NICELY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 11L, I THINK THAT IS THE HAULERS. DID WE HAVE OTHER BIDS ON THIS? >> WE TOOK BIDS FOR THE ACTUAL BUYING THE FIXTURES AND THE CONTRACTOR CAN PROVIDE CHEAPER THAN THE BID THAT WE RECEIVED. >> WHAT ABOUT FOR THE LABOR? >> YES, HE DID AN ANNUAL CONTRACT FOR LABOR FOR US, AN HOURLY RATE. >> THAT WAS COMPETITIVELY BID. >> THAT WAS COMPETITIVELY BID. >> [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU'D COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF SO THE AUDIENCE KNOWS. >> [INAUDIBLE] ANDERSON, ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTS MANAGER FOR THE STUDY. >> ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE HAD THIS QUESTION LAST TIME, THIS JUST CAME UP ON THE LAST ROUND. YOU ALL COMPETITIVE BID LABOR PRICES FOR ELECTRICIANS? >> FOR ELECTRICAL CONTRACT, YES. >> YES. >> YOU CAN USE THAT NUMBER FOR ANY TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT DEALS WITH ELECTRIC? >> THAT'S WHY WE DO IT THAT WAY SO WE CAN MOVE QUICKER ON OUR PROJECTS. [00:15:03] IF WE HAD TO STOP AND BID EVERY TIME WE WOULD NEED TO REPAIR THE LIGHTS IN THE ESPLANADE OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE'D NEVER BE ABLE TO DO THE REPAIRS. >> BUT THAT'S A REPAIR, THIS IS NOT A REPAIR. I LOVE THESE BOWERDS, I WANT TO PUT THESE UP AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. BUT THIS PROCESS DOES NOT SEEM LIKE IT'S THE CORRECT WAY TO DO IT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION. >> RENTAL AUTHOR OF PURCHASING. >> IS THERE A CEILING ON HOW MUCH ELECTRICAL WORK CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE CONTRACT? >> NO, WE BID IT OUT ANNUALLY ON A [INAUDIBLE] >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> SO PURCHASING MANAGER [INAUDIBLE] SO WE CAN DO PLUMBING, WE DO ELECTRICAL, WE DO TEACH BACK. WHAT'S [INAUDIBLE] FOR YOU? WE PRINTED OUT AND THEN WE GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO BID IT, AND THEN THEY COME BACK AT A RATE. IN THIS CASE IT WAS OUR [INAUDIBLE] DEPARTMENT TO DO OUR MAINTENANCE ISSUE OR AN INSTALLATION, SO WE HAD CONTRACT WITH THAT VENDOR TO SUPPLY DELIVERIES. >> I HEAR YOU, IT JUST I'M QUESTIONING WHY WE DO IT THIS WAY ON SUCH A BIG CONTRACT ON A NEW [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] GOVERNMENT. >> THE SAME WAY WE DID IT AT THE COUNTY TOO. >> EXCUSE ME. >> THE SAME WAY WE DID IT AT THE COUNTY. >> IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE. IT LOCKS PEOPLE INTO A RATE SO THAT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW THEY CAN'T GO BACK AND INCREASE MY LABOR RATES BY 10%. >> ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE A FLOATED BOND WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BOND EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AND SAVES THIS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. >> OF COURSE, IT ALSO TIES INTO A MARKUP RATE AS WELL, SO OUR MATERIAL AND WE APPLY THE MARKUP RATE SO THEY CAN'T COME BACK AND SAY, SIX MONTHS OR IS THAT ISSUES WITH SUPPLY CHAIN. WE GOT THE MARK-UP RIGHT ON TOP OF THEIR ADVICE. >> YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING ALL THE MATERIAL FOR THIS DROPDOWN, RIGHT? >> OH, IT COMES THROUGH THEM. THAT MATERIAL WAS BOUGHT THROUGH THEIR CONTRACTS IN THERE. >> BECAUSE THEY WERE CHEAPER THAN OUR GUY, OUR BID I SUPPOSE. >> NOT JUST MATERIAL FOR THE ALERT ITSELF. >> OTHER MATERIAL. >> BUT WIRE CONDUIT, ALL THAT STUFF THEY ARE PROVIDING. >> THAT'S TRUE. YES, SIR. >> YOU DON'T HAVE A RATE ON THAT THOUGH. THEY DON'T BID THAT AT A RATE, RIGHT? >> THE MARKUPS [INAUDIBLE] >> THEY SUBMIT RECEIPTS FOR MATERIAL. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT MARKUP. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ON THAT. >> YEAH, IT'S TIED, IT'S TWO FACE BACK. YOU GOT THE RATES THAT ARE LOCKED IN, THEN YOU HAVE A MARKUP RATE BASED UPON WHAT YOU USED. >> IN THEIR LABOR RATE, THE LABOR RATE IS JUST AT THE END OF THE JOB, THEY GO, HEY, WE WORK SO MANY HOURS. >> WHAT THEY TYPICALLY WILL SAY [INAUDIBLE] AND HOW MANY HOURS IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO INSTALL [INAUDIBLE] YOU HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS [NOISE]. WHAT IS [NOISE] OURS IS WORTH PAYING FOR EACH ONE OF THESE. BUT [INAUDIBLE] >> THIS 400 AND SOME THOUSAND, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE? >> IF THEY DON'T USE ALL OF THAT LABOR THEN, IT'S SLOWER, YES. >> WHAT IF THEY USE MORE? >> YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN AND JUSTIFY WHY? >> THAT'S THE HARDEST. DON'T YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF THAT GROUND WAS UNDER THERE. REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT HE'S GOING TO GO SMOOTHLY, BUT THEY'D COME UP AGAINST A CONCRETE WALL THAT WASN'T THERE OR SOME DEBRIS THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. WE'D COME BACK AND RENEGOTIATE RATES OR WE GOT THE RATES BUT THE THE HOURS AND THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. >> IT HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED. >> CORRECT. THEY JUST CAN'T GO DO THAT. >> SURE. >> IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT CRYSTAL ELECTRIC IS DOING THE ELECTRICAL AND THE FOURTH FLOOR? >> THEY ACTUALLY ARE, BUT THAT'S THROUGH A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. >> THE CONTRACTOR DID IT. I GET IT. >> OUT TO HIS SONS. >> WHEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MOST PART THOSE TYPES OF PRODUCTS, [00:20:02] THEY SUBMIT THE SUBS. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACCEPT OR REJECT THOSE SUBS BASED UPON PAST HISTORY OR SOME OTHER CRITERIA. >> IF IT'S A STRAIGHT-UP ELECTRICAL INSTALL, WE CAN USE OUR ELECTRICAL CONTRACTOR. IF THERE'S A GENERAL INVOLVED, THE GENERAL [INAUDIBLE]. >> ARE WE GET THIS THING. HOW CAN YOU BE THREE MONTHS OUT? >> EVERY TIME. >> HOW PROBABLY FOUR MONTHS? PROBABLY THE SAME RESULTS AS WE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE EXPENSIVE. >> YES. >> WE'RE LOCKED INTO THIS LABOR RATE. [NOISE] >> GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOHN, GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> I SKIPPED ONE, 11 K. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE ON THIS BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG LONG NUMBER. WHAT IS THAT FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT PROJECT? >> THE FURNITURE, ROBIN. >> [INAUDIBLE] I'M PLANNING TO PUT IT INTO BUDGET THIS YEAR. >> ROBIN, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE? >> EXACTLY. CORRECT. >> SIGN IT TO ME AGAIN. >> WE KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE INEXPENSIVE HERE, TRYING TO DO THIS AT THE SAME TIME THE COUNTY WAS DOING THEIR FURNITURE. SO I SUBMITTED A BUDGET REQUESTS WITH THIS MONEY FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. >> WHAT ACCOUNT IS IT IN? >> IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT IT'S A SPECIFIC ACCOUNT FOR FURNITURE. >> 3199-6118205-56400500. [OVERLAPPING] >> THERE WAS A SPECIFIC ACCOUNT THAT'S PUT INTO BUDGET. >> I'VE NEVER SEEN A FUNDING SOURCE LIKE THAT BEFORE. >> MARIE HAD A QUESTION. >> YEAH. IN THIS IT SAYS NOT TO EXCEED AND I KNOW WE VOTED TO NEVER USE NOT TO EXCEED. >> YES. >> I AGREE WITH THIS. I HAPPEN TO HAVE SEE THIS ROOM WHEN WE HAD OUR JAPANESE SISTER CITY. THEY'D LET US INSIDE THE DOOR TO SEE IF WE NEED NEW FURNITURE. BUT THE NOD TO EXCEED. >> THE REASON I DID THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE A BOUGHT FURNITURE PURCHASE AND WE KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE, 132,000. WHAT I WANTED WAS A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO FAR OVER A CASE WHERE NEEDED EXTRA CAT 6 CONNECTIONS. PLUS AFTER THE FURNITURE DONE INSTALLED, WE THINK WE HAVE PLANNED EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET THE FURNITURE IN THERE AND START PUTTING EQUIPMENT IN. I WANT TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY TO ADD THOSE LITTLE MONITOR TOUCHES IF WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING LATER ON. I DON T THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT MUCH. TALK ABOUT $115 A PIECE KIND OF THING. BUT IF YOU DO ONE AND WE HAVE TO DO FIVE BECAUSE WE HAVE FIVE SEPARATE STATIONS GOING IN. >> I KNOW, BUT WE SPECIFICALLY VOTED AGAINST THE NOT TO EXCEED LANGUAGE BECAUSE WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IF IT'S NOT TO EXCEED, THAT'S HOW MUCH IS SPAM WHETHER. >> WELL, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO PLANT A CAP. I KNOW THE CONTRACTORS WANT 32, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO CAP IT AT 132 FOR THAT REASON, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO NOT PUT IN AN AMOUNT THAT I GIVE MYSELF A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY JUST IN CASE I NEEDED TO ADD ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS. >> WE DON'T WANT TO STOP THE PROJECT AND HAVE TO READ BETTER. >> YES. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MARIE. I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER A BOAT ON HIM BUT THAT THOSE SOMETIME BACK. BEFORE YOU SET THIS MARINE INTO COUNSEL, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT CONTRACT IS, YOU'VE GOT THAT BID, YOU ACCEPTED THAT BID. >> CORRECT. >> REVEAL TO US. NOT TO EXCEED ISN'T A NUMBER. THEY SEE WHEN THEY ARE BIDDING THE CONTRACT. >> THEY GOT A HARD BID. >> THEY'VE GOT A HARD NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRIGGER IS FOR COMING BACK FOR CHANGE 25%. >> I MEAN, WELL, WE CAN CHANGE ORDER, BUT THE ISSUE IS, IS NOT TO EXCEED IS ON OUR SIDE, NOT THEIR SIDE. >> I MEAN, IF THIS WERE TO COME BACK AT $200,000 OR SOMETHING, YOU'D BE YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE NEED TO START OVER [OVERLAPPING] DOLLAR OF WHAT YOU-ALL APPROVED. I'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO GO TO GET THAT EXCESS OF FRUIT. >> I HATE IT WHEN CONTRACTOR SAYS WHAT'S YOUR BUDGET? >> EXACTLY. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT THIS WAS A HARD BID. >> THIS A HARD BID. THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING. >> WELL, MY DESK [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE TRIED TO OBJECT AS BEST WE CAN WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. LIKE I SAID, ONCE YOU GET IT ALL PUT TOGETHER, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO OVERBOARD. ONCE WE GET TO PUT TOGETHER, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH. >> WE PUT A CONTINGENCY CUSHION AND A LOT OF THINGS. >> WE DO. THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN SAYING NOT TO EXCEED, BUT THAT'S FINE. WE'LL DO IT THAT WAY IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER. >> PHRASE THAT DIFFERENTLY. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? >> JOHN? >> THANK YOU, ROBIN. I HAD [00:25:02] ANOTHER QUESTION ON 11 PIECE A TRIAL HEADQUARTERS. JUST AS HOT COMES FROM HOT THERE A SPECIFIC SILO THAT THAT COMES OUT OF [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE]. >> THE STEWARD BEACH? >> HE HASN'T FALLEN. >> A STEWARD BEACH. THERE WAS A QUESTION I HAD IT. >> JUST AS HOT. >> THERE'S NOT A DNA, THERE'S NOT A FUNDING SOURCE [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE FUNDING SOURCE IS JUST AS HOT. IT'S ALWAYS ASKING IF IT'S A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ON WHICH. >> IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF PROBABLY BURDEN THE BEACH PATROLS FUND BALANCE TO START WITH. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE VACCINE. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING OF THIS. BECAUSE YEAH, BECAUSE I'M NOT JUST A DROP. >> WOULD PROBABLY COME OUT OF THE CITIES HOT THAT WE'RE HOLDING IN RESERVES. >> LET'S BE CLEAR. YOU'RE SAYING THE FUNDING FOR THIS, THE WAY IT'S IN THE ITEM HERE IS THAT IT'S COMING OUT OF BEACH PATROL FUND BALANCE AT THE BOARD. >> OR THE MONEY THAT WE'RE HOLDING. >> YES ON THE CITY SIDE OBVIOUSLY, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE CONVENTION SURPLUS POTENTIALLY AND I DON'T KNOW. >> THAT'S FAIRLY COMMITTED. THIS WOULD LIKELY BE FROM [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, WE'VE IDENTIFIED. >> WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE. >> EACH PATROL FUND BALANCE THAT'S DEPOSITED AT THE SIMPLICITY. >> CORRECT. >> THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR. >> DO WE HAVE ON OUR SIDE ON OUR FUNDS ARE HOT THAT WE HOLD. DO WE HAVE FIGURES THAT ARE SILOED? >> ABSOLUTELY. YES. >> I'LL POP YOUR HEAD. WHAT'S IN THE BEACH PATROLS SILO? >> [LAUGHTER] THREE MILLION. THEY DIDN'T CHANGE. >> I'LL SAY THREE MILLION. >> MARIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> I PUT MY HAND UP THAT, SORRY. THE WHOLE TIME WHEN HE ASKED THE QUESTION. GO AHEAD. >> THIS SEEMS A LOT OF MONEY FOR ME, BUT I HAVE TO SAY I HAVE NEVER HIRED ARCHITECTS. I'M GOING TO ASK JOHN, THIS SEEMS REALLY HIGH TO YOU. >> THESE DAYS NOTHING SEEMS HIGH BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS. BUT I JUST REMEMBER HISTORY IN THE PAST. THE PART BOARD BROUGHT US [OVERLAPPING] ARCHITECTURAL CONTRACT FOR ABOUT $600,000 FOR THAT PAVILION OUT THERE OR AT LEAST THEY SPENT 600,000 $600,000 ON THE PAVILION. >> THIS JUST DOESN'T SURPRISE ME. HE'S A FIGURE. >> THAT'S JUST A FINE QUESTION. >> YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> WAS THERE ANYTHING FROM WHAT THE PARK BOARD HAD PUT TOGETHER FROM THEIR RENDITION OF THEIR THE BUILDING, WAS THAT NOT SALVAGEABLE TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT THEY ALREADY HAD EXISTING ON THEIR PLAN? >> WE CAN USE PARTS OF THE PROGRAMMING WITH [INAUDIBLE], BUT IT HAD SOME ISSUES. SO WE REFER TO [INAUDIBLE] QL SURE. >> EXCUSE ME. WE'VE BEEN CARRYING THAT PROGRAMMING ON THAT PORTION OF THE FACILITY AROUND SINCE 2017. IN PART FORESHADOWS AND I THINK WILL WORK ENOUGH OFF THAT INITIAL PROGRAMMING. >> SO THIS WAS A NEW ONE THAT WAS JUST LAST YEAR. >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT BEAT PATROL NEEDS IN THAT FACILITY IS NOT A NEW IDEA. THEY RAVED KNOWN THAT. BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT WE HAD BEFORE WAS FOR A PAVILION THAT WOULD INCLUDE POLICE PATROL, NOT TO BE PATROL. >> [OVERLAPPING] THERE WAS A STANDALONE BEACH PATROL BUILDING. >> AND WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION FROM OUT OF THE BOARD. >> HOW MUCH HOW MUCH WAS SPENT ON THAT DESIGN AND HOW FAR DID THAT GET? DID THAT WAS THAT. >> WENT THROUGH EARLY SCHEMATICS. >> SCHEMATICS SO. >> THEY HAD A PROGRAM ON SCHEMATICS AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THAT IS THE BASIS STEP. >> THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ARCHITECT. >> THAT'S ROGERS PARTNERS. >> DID THEY BID ON THIS? >> THEY DID NOT GET THEY SUBMITTED QUALIFICATIONS AND NOBODY GETS PROFESSIONALS. >> IT JUST SEEMS IT'S WHAT A WASTE OF. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. WE SPENT SOMETHING. >> DEADLY. I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT. THE I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN THIS WINTER AND WARN OTHERS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COORDINATE THIS WITH THE STUART BEACH MASTER PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> AND THIS ONE, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THINGS, IS GOING TO BE COORDINATED WITH THAT MASTER PLAN? >> AND WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED A LITTLE BIT TOO SINCE THE PREVIOUS ONE. SO IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE SAME PROGRAM. WHAT WE'RE USING THAT AS A BASIS. >> THE PROGRAMMING FOR THE MASTER PLAN. [00:30:04] >> OR PROGRAMMING FOR THE BUILDING. >> FOR THE BUILDING FOR THE BEACH PATROL DELTA. >> THE MARK TECH WILL BE ALSO. >> NO. >> NO MASKS RIGHT FROM THIS ARCTIC. >> WHERE WERE YOU MENTIONING THERE? >> WELL, THE MASTER PLAN OF BEAT OF THE INCENTIVE SYSTEM, EXCUSE ME. >> IT WILL BE CONSISTENT AT WHEN THEY LOCATED WHERE. >> THE BUILDING IS BEING LOCATED ACCORDING TO WHAT WE SHOWED YOU. >> STAFF BROUGHT FORWARD. >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF TWEAKS TO THAT. THE POLICE PATROL PARK'S BOARD OF BASKETBALL. WE'LL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE DESIGN. >> AND JOHN AND WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, BUT DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ON THE LOCATION AND ALL OF THAT? >> I DON'T TOTALLY LIKE THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED IN FRONT OF US. I THINK IT'S LEFT A LOT OUT IN LOVE, JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE. >> AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING OR IT DOES. WELL, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DOWNLOAD IT. >> NO. TEMPORARY FACILITIES WILL BE PUT UP AND THEN WE CAN VACATE [INAUDIBLE]. >> CORRECT. >> VACATED THEN DEMOLISHING. >> WELL, IT JOHN, IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN THIS AFTERNOON, WE CAN THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ON THAT. >> I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE ARCHITECT THAT'S DOING THE BUILDING. PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING I HAVEN'T CONSUMED BECAUSE SOME CONCERN WITH BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS OUR CONSENSUS THAT WE WERE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US. >> IF THAT'S THE CASE, I BRING THIS UP. >> AT THE SAME SPOT THE PARK BOARD WAS GOING TO PUT IT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH THAT EITHER. >> WE CAN WAIT GUYS WERE IN NO HURRY. THAT'S THIS WE WERE TRYING TO FACILITATE PETER WEAKEN. THIS CAN TAKE 10 YEARS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TELL IT. >> BECAUSE YOU CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH THE DEMO AND THE TEMPORARY PLANS WITHOUT THIS. SO [OVERLAPPING] YOU JUST WANT TO BRING IN TEMPORARY BUILDINGS A LOT LONGER, CORRECT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT UP TO DEFER THE ITEM, JOHN, TILL WE REVIEW THE MASTER PLAN. WE SURE CAN. DAVID. >> IT WAS MY MEMORY. WE CHATTED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT THAT I KNOW PEOPLE HAD ISSUES WITH MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY BARE BONES. BUT THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS AND GO PRETTY MUCH WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO, REGARDLESS HOW WE BUILD OUT THE REST OF THE PARK. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO PICK THIS UP AND SHIFTS TO THE OTHER END OF THE PARK OR SOMETHING. IF WE DECIDE TO PUT IT IN WATER SLIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? >> SHIFTED A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE WATER [OVERLAPPING] HEATERS REQUESTS AND NOT TO REVISIT HISTORY AND EVERYTHING. WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT WAS BEAT PATROL HEADQUARTERS PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS RENAMED THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS. IT WAS THE PAVILION THAN IT WAS THE BEACH SERVICES CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN IT BECAME THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS. BUT IT WAS ALWAYS MORE THAN PETER HAD ANTICIPATED HAVING IT WAS CONSIDERABLY MORE OTHER OFFICES AND THAT THING. THIS IS PARED DOWN AS I UNDERSTAND IT. THIS IS PARED DOWN TO SERVICE THE BEACH PATROL BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR PRIORITY. AND WHATEVER ELSE WE DO, WE GOT HAVE TO GET THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, GET THE PEACE PATROL OPERATING OUT OF A PERMANENT FACILITY, AND GET THE PAVILION TORN DOWN AND THEN WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THE REST OF THEM. SO I JUST ASSUMED WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, WE WANT TO TALK ALL ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. A SEWER BEACH, THAT'S FINE, BUT YOU NEED TO BE CONTROL FACILITY. >> LET'S GET BACK ON TOPIC THIS ITEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS JOHN ON THAT? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON IT. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. YES, SIR. SO GO RIGHT AHEAD, JOHN. >> ELEVEN YOU THE ACTION TAKE YOU PLAN. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ACTION SAFETY PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR US HERE AND THEN HOW WE PUT THAT TO USE. SURE. ROB, WHEN HE DRINKS OR INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEERING. SO THE ACTION SAFETY PLAN IS A FEDERAL HIGHWAYS GRANT TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP SAFETY MEASURES THAT WE CAN DEPLOY A SYSTEM WIDE ACROSS THE CITY. THEY WILL DEVELOP A PLANNED LIST OF ABOUT 20 PROJECTS THAT WE CAN UTILIZE TO TAP INTO FUTURE FUNDING AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CITY STREETS FOR ALL PROGRAM. CURRENTLY THEY'RE PROJECTING $650 MILLION AVAILABLE ON THE NEXT CALL FOR PROJECTS WHICH WILL BE COMING OUT NEXT YEAR. THE PLAN WILL GO AT IDENTIFYING THOSE PROJECTS AND BE ABLE TO HELP FUEL US UP TO GO AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS FEATURE FUNCTIONS. GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME PROJECTS THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THIS. [OVERLAPPING] INTERSECTIONS TO SHORTEN THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. IT SHOULD BE MAYBE DEDICATED BICYCLE LANES, POSSIBLY. MAYBE A TWO-WAY LEFT TURN LANE IN. ORDINARY VEHICLES OUT ON THE MAIN FLOOR TRAVEL TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN SO THOSE TYPES OF MEASURES IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE WHOLE ISLAND? TYRA ISLAND. YES SIR. WELL, NOT THE WEST END. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] [00:35:08] IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY COMPLAINING ABOUT ISSUES DO YOU WANT TO BE AWARE OF THOSE? YES, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. AS PART OF THIS, THEY WILL BE A COMMITTEE THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER TO ACTUALLY GET THAT INFORMATION BACK AS WELL AS THE DISSEMINATE THE ACTUAL PURPOSE. I'LL LIKE TO BE IN A NIGHT COMMITTEE. MIKE'S NEXT. MIKE WAS NEXT UP. HE HAD HIS HAND UP. MIKE, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I DID. YES, SIR. ALSO PEDESTRIAN FLY OVERS MAYBE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AS PART OF IT OR OTHER TYPES OF CROSSINGS OF THAT NATURE. YES. SO THOSE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IT. THERE MIGHT BE SOME CHANGES TO SEAWALL PROFILES. THEY ARE GIVING SOME RECOMMENDATION. [OVERLAPPING] RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT PROBABLY NOT ON BROADWAY. PROBABLY NOT THEIR UMBRELLA. ALWAYS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL BECAUSE OF THE ISLANDS AND HOW THAT WORKS. [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S NO TIMING OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO HELP MAKE SOME OF THE CHROMOSOMES. EVERY TIME WE SEE A TOP 10 CRASHED STATISTIC. I'M ALWAYS SURPRISED AT WHERE WHERE SOME OF THEM ARE. [OVERLAPPING]. BROADWAY OUTPACES SEAWALL FOR AUTO PITS. YEAH, EXACTLY AND SO I'D LIKE US TO REVIEW THE TIMING OF THE BLOCK LIGHTS, THAT THING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE PUTTING IN A BUNCH OF LEFT TURN LINES. THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT WE CAN EXTEND AND DO BETTER THINGS FOR THE PEDESTRIANS ON BROADWAY. BUT THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY START GETTING THE COMPLAINTS THAT THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT ON BROADWAY AND IT'S TAKING TOO LONG AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE MISCONSTRUE TIMING, MEANING THAT THEY WANTED GREEN ALWAYS. AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT WE TRAP ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. I TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN'T TIME THE LIGHTS ALL DAY, BOTH DIRECTIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT I LIVE WITHIN EARSHOT OF ALL GREEN LIGHTS. ALL GREEN OLD STUFF. NO, DOWNTOWN HOUSTON WITH OLDER ONE-WAY STREETS MAKES IT VERY EASY. BUT I LIVE WITHIN EARSHOT OF 14TH AND BROADWAY, SO I KNOW ABOUT CRASHES, BUT I LOOKED AT THIS AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF LEEWAY TO MAKE CHANGES TO BROADWAY OTHER THAN MAYBE PEDESTRIAN. RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT WOULD BE TO DRAW MORE ATTENTION TO THE SIGNALS THEMSELVES, THE BACKPLANE. WHETHER IT'S PUTTING SOME A REFLECTIVE BARRIER AROUND THEM JUST TO DRAW THAT ATTENTION TO THEM SO THERE'LL BE OTHER MEASURES THAT CAN BE EMPLOYED WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT [OVERLAPPING]. TO HELP PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED LEFT TURN. YES, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. PROBLEM IS THERE ARE SO MANY SIGNS ALREADY ON BROADWAY, WE ADD MORE. [OVERLAPPING] SIGNS BECOME VERY INEFFECTIVE AND YOUR TRUE RATE WOULD BE TO PROHIBIT LEFT TURNS ON 14TH BROADWAY, BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE GOOD. [OVERLAPPING] I'M GLAD TO HEAR THE BICYCLE LANE, SOME INTERESTS IS COMING INTO ANOTHER DIRECTION OR BECAUSE YOU HEAR ALL THAT. SECONDLY, THE WALK ON 29TH STREET IS MUCH SHORTER, GOING NORTH AND SOUTH THAN ANY OTHER ONE OF THE ISLAND. THEN I'VE LOOKED AT ON BROADWAY SO JUST GOING SOUTH WHEN YOU'RE CROSSING 29TH STREET [OVERLAPPING] CROSSING BROADWAY, THAT THAT TIMER IS VERY SHORT. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. THE SIGNALS SHOULD BE SEQUENCED. THAT WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE OUR CITIZENS MORE ATHLETIC. YEAH FIVE SECONDS, MOVING. SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS HAVE A BUILT-IN PAUSE. BRIAN, DID YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE MORE AUTO PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS ON BROADWAY THAT SEAWALL. HISTORICALLY OVERTIME, YES. IT'S INTERESTING. THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF ISSUES THAT HAPPENED ON BROADWAY WITH VEHICLES LEAVING THE ROADWAY. ONCE YOU'VE PASSED OFF OF THE 45, 49TH STREET. THERE'S LOTS ISSUES THEY'RE HAPPENING. OR THAT WHEN YOU'RE COMING FROM 61ST STREET AND YOU GET YOUR THRILL RISK WHEN HE GOT TO GO TO THE POST OFFICE IS YOU GOT GO [OVERLAPPING]. THAT SHOULD GET RESOLVED WITH THE NEW TEXT [OVERLAPPING]. ALRIGHT, LET'S GO BACK, JOHN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? NOT ON THAT ONE, BUT ROB, YOU MIGHT ANSWER THIS OR MAYBE TREE NO, I DON'T KNOW. 11V THE WATERLINE SEPARATION. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ISSUES LIKE THIS DO WE HAVE AROUND THE CITY? LORD. [LAUGHTER] IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SO YES. HI, I'M [INAUDIBLE] THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES. LIKE TODAY, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT KNOWN AS ARE THE TWO THAT ARE IN DISAGREED ORDER. OVER MY CAREER HERE WE'VE UNCOVERED MANY AND WE'VE CORRECTED THOSE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN OUR CAPABILITY IN HOUSE. HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE? I DON'T KNOW. [00:40:02] THE WATER LINES ARE EASIER THAN SAY A SEWER LINE, SEWER LINE ARE MAINLY GRAVITY. BUT WE HAVE SOME SEWER LINE ISSUES LIKE THAT TOO. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE SEWER LINE ISSUES? WELL, AND THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, LIKE GOING THROUGH STORMWATER. YEAH. SO THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND, THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS WHERE SANITARY SEWER PIPE GOES THROUGH STORM BOXES THAT EXISTED OVER THE DECADES HERE. WHENEVER THOSE FAIL, WE HAVE TO JUMP ON THEM RIGHT AWAY. WHEN WE CATCH THOSE, WE DO OUR BEST TO HAVE SOME SEPARATION OCCUR. WHETHER WE DO INVERTED SIPHONS, WE RELOCATE WHERE WE CAN, IN SOME CASES WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AND IT'S A WAY IN CASE THINGS TO FURTHER PROTECT IT. OKAY. I'LL GET A LITTLE BIT OFF SUBJECT, BUT I'LL BE BRIEF. ON THE DRAINAGE STUDY, DID IT PICK UP THINGS LIKE THIS IN THE DRAINAGE STUDY? ANYWHERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, POSSIBLE LOCATIONS ON OUR MAPS AND PREVIOUS AS BILLS HAVE BEEN FACTORED IN. ANYTHING THAT WE HAD THAT WAS PART OF ANY OF OUR OWN IN-HOUSE CONDITION ASSESSMENTS AND INVESTIGATIONS WERE FACTORED IN ANYTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCOVERED AND ISN'T IN OUR MAP IS YET TO BE DISCOVERED. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. IF IT'S CROSSINGS CAUSE HUGE ISSUES FOR US AND DRAINAGE BECAUSE THERE'S DEBRIS CATCHES. THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH WITH THAT TOO IS NOT NECESSARILY THESE CONFLICTS, BUT THE FACT THAT OUR SYSTEM WAS DISPATCHED MEET WITH PIECEMEAL TOGETHER AS THE CITY MOVED WEST SO WE HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE IS YES AND-A-HALF SYSTEM ON 43RD STREET. IT'S A CERTAIN SIZE IT GETS TO 45TH THAT GOES JUST PASS 45TH STREET IT DROPS DOWN AND THEN WE GO ABOUT TWO BLOCKS AND THEN IT OPENS BACK UP AGAIN. WE HAVE THIS GIANT CHOKE POINT AS WE FIND THOSE, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THEM, BUT THESE ARE MAJOR. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID IT THAT WAY. WE FOUND THAT ALL UP AND DOWN 45TH STREET. THAT'S WHAT CAUSES SO MANY ISSUES. BE ON THIS BRIEFLY, ONE QUICK QUESTION. THE ISSUES LIKE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PUMP STATION, THAT FEEDS TO THE PUMP STATION SO THIS COMES BACK TO THE PUMP STATION. WHICH IS LEGIT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT AND ADDRESS THEM. WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE EVERY TIME WE FIND THEM TRINOD HE'S ON IT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING OVERFLOWS. WE'RE DOING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS CONNECTING, INTERCONNECTING THE SYSTEM IS TRYING TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS. HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE GOT TO PUMP STATION, WE WILL HAVE CLEAN LINES. WE'LL HAVE CLEAN LINES AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TOTAL ONLINE SYSTEM, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AS MANY OF THESE THINGS ADDRESSED THAT WE CAN. OKAY. LET'S GET BACK TO OUR ITEMS AND GO AHEAD. I'M DONE. ENCUMBERED ON MINE. VERY GOOD. YOU MAY. >> EIGHT C. IT IS ABOUT THE PAD AND THE LAY-DOWN AREA FOR THE POWER COMPANY, CONFUSE WITH THAT >> KATHERINE IF YOU DON'T IDENTIFY YOURSELF. >> I'M KATHERINE HARMON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. >> IN THE PAD THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAY-DOWN AREA FOR THE POWER COMPANY. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE PAD, OR WHY IS THAT WITHIN THE PAD? >> IT'S A LAND USE CALLED PUBLIC UTILITY FACILITY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES TO BE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. BUT THE LIMITATION IS ONLY ONE ACRE. SO THEY'RE ASKING TO USE FIVE. >> THIS ISN'T A DEVELOPMENT? >> THEY ARE GOING TO INSTALL POLES, TRANSFORMERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. >> GOT YOU. EASY-PEASY >> THANK YOU, KATHY. THEN 11A, THIS IS ABOUT THE AUDIT PLAN FOR THE PARK BOARD. >> THAT'S COMING UP ON OUR AGENDA HERE. I THINK THIS MORNING. >> IS IT? >> YEAH. >> NEVER MIND THEN. >> IT'S 3D, IT'S COMING RIGHT AT YOU. >> NO WORRIES. I'M DONE. [LAUGHTER] >> I START WRITING THEM DOWN. >> IS THAT IT? >> YEAH >> SHARON? >> I'M DONE. >> VERY GOOD. YOU'VE COVERED ALL MY ITEMS, SO THANK YOU STAFF FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING. I APPRECIATE IT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> YEAH. >> THANKS, TOM. >> YES. >> ABSOLUTELY >> THAT'S VERY GOOD. LET'S JUST MEET WITH JOHN LIKE ON WEDNESDAY. [LAUGHTER] >> EXACTLY. ITEM 3B, PLEASE. [3.B. Discussion of African American Cultural Heritage District and Funding (A. Lynch/Lewis/Brown - 15 min)] >> ITEM 3B. DISCUSSION OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURAL HERITAGE, DISTRICT AND FUNDING. >> THIS IS A TOPIC THAT COUNCILWOMAN, LUOIS AND I AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY STAFF AND OUR NEW EMPLOYEE, [00:45:02] ANTOINETTE LYNCH, HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LITTLE WHILE. I'M GOING TO TURN THAT ON OVER TO ANTOINETTE. ANTOINETTE, WOULD YOU INFORM THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL YOUR STATUS HERE AT THE CITY, PLEASE? >> I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? >> WHAT IS YOUR POSITION IN DUTIES AT THE CITY? >> I'M THE ARTS AND CULTURE COORDINATOR HERE AT THE CITY. I STARTED IN SEPTEMBER. THE VERY BEGINNING GOAL IS TO IMPLEMENT NUMBER 1, THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURE. BUT IT'S ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT THE WAY WE HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN FUNDING THROUGH THE ARTS, WHERE WE CAN GET A HIGHER ROI. THE WAY THAT WE DO THAT. THE WAY THAT WE CAN MAYBE REACH COMMUNITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVEN'T TYPICALLY BEEN FUNDED, THINGS LIKE THAT. I REACHED OUT TO THE PARK BOARD ABOUT THE WAY THEY'VE DONE FUNDING IN THE PAST ARTS AND CULTURE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO A JOINT PRESENTATION HOPEFULLY NEXT YEAR, THE STATE OF THE ARTS, BUT I'M HOPING TO BRING ONE IN MARCH. THAT'S A LOT OF DATA. [LAUGHTER] >> I HAVE TO COMMENT ON ANTOINETTE HAS BEEN, PERMIT ME TO SAY IT SHE'S WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH VISIT GALVESTON AND HIS STAFFING CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION NOW. >> VERY GOOD. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YES, SIR. >> FIRST OF ALL, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE THIS ROLE AT THE CITY. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS AND I HAVE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE FUND THE ARTS AND THE DIFFERENT BUCKETS AND PIECES. THEN WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS OR BOARDS THAT HAVE PIECES IN THIS TOO. IS THAT GOING TO BE PART OF THE EVALUATION IN TERMS OF HOW WE ORGANIZE THIS? >> I HOPE SO 100%. >> THANK YOU. >> MY CONVERSATION WITH VISIT GALVESTON, ARE ALSO HOW CAN WE ADD A STAFF-LEVEL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION SO THAT IT'S EVER EVOLVING BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPE OF FUNDING FOR THE ARTS IS EVOLVING. POST-COVID, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. GOVERNMENT FUNDING IS BEING MORE RELIED ON AND WE'VE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT, HOW WE'RE USING IT. >> WE'RE A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THAT BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING OR MAKE CHANGES, WE NEED TO DETERMINE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND CHANGES THAT WERE PREPARED TO DELIVER HERE AT THE CITY, IF THAT INVOLVES THE CITY AND ANTOINETTE'S WORKING ON THAT. LET'S MOVE TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN PRESENTATION, PLEASE MA'AM. >> SURE. AGAIN, IN THAT OVERARCHING GOAL OF LOOKING AT HOW WE'RE INVESTING IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE, AND THEN SEVERAL THINGS FROM DAY 1 THAT CAME TO ME WERE CONCERNS OF THE PARK BOARD HAS DONE THIS FOR JUNETEENTH. WHAT HAVE WE DONE AT THE CITY? WHAT COULD WE DO IN THE FUTURE? LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN DO ALL THINGS AT ONCE AND BENEFIT THE MOST AND HAVE THAT BIG ROI I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS A DISTRICT. WHAT HELPS THE DISTRICT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT I'M USING JUST DISTRICT. I'M NOT CALLING IT A CULTURAL DISTRICT, BUT IN HERE IT'S GOING TO DEFINE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CULTURAL DISTRICT, HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHETHER IT'S NATIONAL, LOCAL AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I SHOULD BE THE ONE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THEN WE'LL COME TO THE ASK LATER. WHAT IT CAN DO FOR THE COMMUNITY IS NUMBER 1, IT'S GOING TO EMPOWER ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS AND THE FOOTPRINT OF A DISTRICT, THE ARTISTS. IT'S A DEVELOPMENT BONUS. BUT ON TOP OF IT, IT BRINGS CULTURAL TRAVELERS. THIS IS SIX YEARS RUNNING ON THIS PARTICULAR STUDY FROM, FROM GRAY REPRODUCTION, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT AS THE VISION GALVESTON, A STUDY THAT THEY DID ABOUT CULTURAL TRAVELERS, AND THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT KICKED OFF THE DESIRE TO FOCUS ON A CULTURAL TRAVELER. BUT THIS IS JUST AN ADDED BONUS TO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THAT THE CULTURAL TRAVELER BRINGS TWICE AS MUCH MONEY, THEY STAY LONGER AND THEY SPEND MORE IN DESTINATION. WHEN I SAY, WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION AROUND A CULTURAL ARTS DISTRICT, WE HAVE A DOWNTIME CULTURAL ARTS DISTRICT HERE IN GALVESTON. I STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT THAT COULD DO FOR OTHER AREAS. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BROADWAY AND HOW THAT COULD BENEFIT OUR AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THERE'S THIS CLUSTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ON THE BACK-END. THERE'S A CLUSTER OF CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERFUNDED AND WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT MAKING THAT HIGHER ROI AND HOW CAN WE BRING THE MOST MONEY. THAT ISN'T JUST OUR MONEY, BUT HELPING THEM TO SEEK THE FUNDING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON. THIS IS JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW. CULTURAL DISTRICTS DEFINED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON THE ARTS, HISTORICAL DISTRICT IS ACTUALLY A NATIONAL REGISTER PROGRAM AND IT'S OVERSEEN BY THE THC, BUT IT'S DONE PART PARCEL WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE. THEN WE HAVE A LOCAL DESIGNATION THAT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH OUR CITY. WE COULD DO ANY ONE OF THOSE, [00:50:02] BOTH OF THOSE, ALL THREE OF THOSE. BUT THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY COME FROM COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. AND SO WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING IN THIS PROJECT, WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO VISION GALVESTON. IS CHRISTINA HERE? SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING TO COME. WE REACHED OUT TO VISION GALVESTON, THEY WERE VERY EAGER TO HELP WITH THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH PORTION OF THIS. WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO STAKEHOLDERS, EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY IT AND WOULD IT BE BETTER TO BE A CULTURAL DISTRICT? WOULD IT BE BETTER TO BE HISTORIC DISTRICT? WHAT EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ON IS THAT IT SHOULD EXIST. IT'S JUST EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BRING THE MOST IMPACT IS WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. THIS IS THE FUNDING DOMINO EFFECT. IT'S THAT SAME CYCLE THAT WE SEE HERE WHERE THE ARTS BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. THE REASON THAT I'M SAYING THIS IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO THIS WITH HOT. ALL OF THE STUDIES SHOW THAT THE IMPACT OF THE ARTS BRINGS THOSE TRAVELERS IN THAT STAY OVERNIGHT MORE OFTEN THAN IF THEY ARE DAY TROOPERS, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT OVERNIGHT SPEND. IF THEY HAVE A TICKET TO SOMETHING, THEY'RE BUYING DINNER, THEY'RE PAYING FOR PARKING, THEY'RE PAYING AT THE HOTEL, ETC. THAT'S A CLOSED LOOP CYCLE AND THIS IS A WAY FOR US TO ACTUALLY MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT IN THAT CYCLE. TO PUSH MORE MONEY ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT CYCLE AND COME BACK AROUND. [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND]. THIS IS THAT CLUSTER THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE] CLICKER, DOESN'T DO IT? >> YOU MOVE THAT LIKE A MAGNIFYING GLASS. [LAUGHTER]. >> I KNOW, I'M SORRY. AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT, THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE PLOTTED MYSELF, SO PLEASE FORGIVE ANYTHING THAT'S NOTICEABLY MISSING. THIS IS JUST THE AREA WE WERE LOOKING AT. AGAIN, THIS IS THE AREA WE WERE LOOKING AT WITH OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMISSION ON THE ARTS. THIS IS SPECIFIC TO A CULTURAL DISTRICT. THE REASON WHY IS THAT THEY ASK THAT YOU START SMALL ENOUGH TO BE WALKABLE AND THAT LAST STREET, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 35TH, IT'S FROM 25TH TO 35TH, BROADWAY TO THE BEACH, AND 35TH IS ACTUALLY LITTLE OVER ONE MILE, BUT THAT MADE IT TECHNICALLY WALKABLE TO THE TCA. THAT'S WHY WE WOULD START WITH THAT FOOTPRINT. IF WE PURSUE A CULTURAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION. WE WILL START WITH THAT FOOTPRINT AND THEN IT'S FAR EASIER ONCE YOU'VE RECEIVED DESIGNATION TO THEN APPLY AND EXTEND YOUR FOOTPRINTS SO WE COULD MOVE EAST AND INCLUDE REEDY CHAPEL, WHICH OF COURSE WE LIVE TODAY. WE COULD POSSIBLY EXTEND OVER BROADWAY. THEY DID CONFIRM THAT DISTRICTS COULD OVERLAP IF YOU WANT THEM TO, BUT THE ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE IN ONE DISTRICT OR THE OTHER. >> WHAT'S THE PURPLE SECTION? >> THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SILK STOCKING HISTORIC DISTRICT. I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THERE ALSO BECAUSE I LIVE THERE [LAUGHTER] IT HELPS ME VISUALIZE. BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S PLOTTED ON THERE, AND I CAN SEND THIS OUT. AGAIN, IT'S JUST WHAT I HAVE IN MY SPARE TIME WAS TO SHOW THAT THERE'S THIS CLUSTER OF GREENBERG LISTINGS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH GREENBERG. I KNOW SHARON LEWIS OVER HERE LIKE REALLY BETTER BE. [LAUGHTER] THEN ALSO ALL THE WAY UP. THE REASON WE WANT IT TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BEACH IS THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL GREENBERG LISTINGS UP THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITH CHIEF DAVIS AND THE LIFEGUARD ASSOCIATION TO PUT AN AFRICAN AMERICAN LIFEGUARDS STATUE UP THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE WHAT WAS HISTORICALLY CALLED BROWN BEACH OR THE ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN STRETCH OF BEACH ON THE SEAWALL. THAT'S WHY THIS IS THE CURRENT GEOGRAPHIC FOOTPRINT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY. BUT AGAIN, WE WOULD START THE PROCESS IF WE GET YOUR BLESSING TO GO AND DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH WITH VISION GALVESTON. OLD CENTRAL VISION GALVESTON WOULD BE OUR HUBS. WE WOULD START STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH EVERYBODY IN THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT, BUT ALSO EVERYBODY IN THAT COMMUNITY. AGAIN, THIS DISTRICT IS VERY PLIABLE. ALL WE NEED TO DO BY JANUARY 15TH IS SEND A LETTER OF INTENT TO THE TCA THAT WE INTEND TO FILE FOR THE DISTRICT. WE DO NOT THEN HAVE TO FILE EITHER AND THAT COMES IN JUNE. WE HAVE THIS WINDOW WHERE IT BELONGS. WE HAVE YOUR BLESSING AND CAN SEND THAT LETTER TO INTEND TO FILE. IT REALLY DOESN'T MARRY US TO ANYTHING. THEN WE JUST DO THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH. IS THIS THE RIGHT PATH, IS IT THE RIGHT FOOTPRINT, ETC. THEN WE DO THE APPLICATION IN JUNE IF THAT'S WHAT THE OUTREACH DICTATES. >> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS GETTING [00:55:04] COUNCIL'S THOUGHTS ON POSSIBLY DEVELOPING A CONSENSUS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ESTABLISHING AN AFRICAN AMERICAN DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLY A HERITAGE AS WELL AS A CULTURAL DISTRICT. THAT ONCE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PAPERWORK THAT ANTOINETTE WOULD DO, THEN SHE CAN COME BACK AND GIVE US IDEAS OF HOW WE WILL EXPAND INTO THAT DISTRICT. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEWHERE IN THAT DISTRICT WOULD BE THE HOME AND THE NATIONAL JUNETEENTH MUSEUM. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AT LENGTH. BUT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DISTRICT. THIS DISTRICT, ALSO, IF IT'S ESTABLISHED, GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING. IT IS READILY AVAILABLE FOR THESE DISTRICTS TO IMPROVE THESE DISTRICTS AND MAKE THEM MORE OF A REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SHOW HERE IN GALVESTON IS THE IMPORTANCE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> I BELIEVE I'M CORRECT IN SAYING THAT EVERY BIT OF FUNDING THAT WE WOULD BE ANTICIPATING DOING FOR THIS IS HOT ELIGIBLE. >> YES. >> THIS IS PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT UP HOT TAX EXPENDITURES. ALSO, IN MY MIND, IT CENTERS ON 27TH STREET BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT 27TH STREET FROM BROADWAY TO THE BEACH, YOU HAVE OLD CENTRAL KERMIT COURVILLE STADIUM, AVENUE BAPTIST CHURCH, KIMBER PARK, THE OLD BOOKER T WASHINGTON PROPERTY, MCGUIRE DENT IS AT THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THAT. >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WITHIN THE PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF THE BOUNDARIES THAT ANTOINETTE IS DONE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH COMMUNITY INPUT. BUT THERE'S CLOSE TO 40 SOMETHING SIDES OF AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE IN THIS ISLAND THAT WE KNOW ABOUT BUT GOES UNNOTICED TO OUR VISITORS AND WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE IN LETTING THE WORLD KNOW, THE NATION KNOW OF THE IMPORTANCE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT HERE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, BECAUSE I NEVER WANTED TO LEAVE ANYBODY OUT. NUMBER 1, THE GHF HAS BEEN DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB WITH AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY AND PROPELLING THAT. I'M VERY MUCH HOPING THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE PLEASE GIVE THEM THEY'RE JUST DO BECAUSE I'M HOPING THAT THEY PARTNER WITH US AND HELP US THROUGH THIS PROCESS. >> I THINK I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR GHF, BUT WE'VE HAD SOME CONSULTATION WITH THEM, SOME WOMAN, LEWIS AND I. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THEY HAVE WE SHALL RISE EXHIBIT NOW AT ASHTON VILLA BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE AND IMPACT OF THE CITY HAS IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ON THIS. THIS ALSO, IN MY MIND, COUNCIL, IT ESTABLISHES A STAKE IN THE GROUND THAT SHOWS THAT THE CITY OF GALVESTON HAS A HAS A STAKE IN THE GROUND AND SKIN IN THE GAME WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANDING THIS DISTRICT, PROMOTING THIS DISTRICT, AND ALSO LOOKING AT JUNETEENTH SITE WITHIN THIS DISTRICT. >> ABSOLUTELY. I'M SORRY. >> GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> SOME THINGS THAT MAKE IT THAT WE WOULD WEIGH AGAINST EACH OTHER FOR CULTURAL DISTRICT VERSUS HISTORIC WHATEVER, OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN ASKING WHAT FUNDING CAN BE BROUGHT IN FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS. CHURCHES PER SE COULD POSSIBLY GET HISTORIC FUNDING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ARTS AND CULTURE FUNDING. WE WILL LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND WHAT COULD BENEFIT BOTH. ALSO WE COULD DO BOTH DOWN THE ROAD AND WHERE DO WE START. BUT THE REASON WE ARE STARTING LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR CULTURAL DISTRICT IS BECAUSE THERE IS A NON-PROFIT OF OLD CENTRAL THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH. THAT'S AN ANCHORED, TRUSTED ORGANIZATION. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE TCA REQUIRES. BUT THEN ONCE THE DISTRICT IS ESTABLISHED AND THE ARTS FOCUSED NON-PROFITS IN THAT AREA WOULD BENEFIT. AGAIN, WHY I'VE HIGHLIGHTED HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS IS BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO PART OF WHAT THEY WEIGH AT THE TCA, HOW MANY RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS ARE IMPACTED BECAUSE IT ONLY COUNTS THE HEADS AND BEDS IN YOUR DISTRICT. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE A HUGE EVENT IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT BRINGS HEADS AND BEDS THAT FILL THE WHOLE ISLAND. THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY WHAT THEY WHAT THEY GO BY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE HOTELS. THAT IS ALSO WHY THE CURRENT TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS TO INCLUDE AS MANY HOTELS AND AIRBNBS AS POSSIBLE AS WELL. >> IF COUNCIL FEELS COMFORTABLE IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, OF COURSE, [01:00:02] ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IN THAT AREA WILL BE GISD AND THEY WILL BE DEVELOPING A DIALOGUE HERE VERY QUICKLY WITH GISD TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER. THEY HAVE COURVILLE STADIUM THERE, THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER PROPERTIES THERE THAT COULD FLOW INTO THIS AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE HUB, POSSIBLY, POSSIBLY AROUND THE OLD CULTURAL CENTER THERE, WHICH IS A VERY HISTORIC SITE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS. >> WHAT IS OUR NEXT STEP? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? >> THIS IS MORE OF A CONSENSUS FEELING. IF COUNCIL FEELS WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND BRIAN I'M WORKING WITH AND ANTOINETTE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GABRIEL. >> COUNCIL, FEELS SUPPORTIVE. THEY SHOULD CHECK THEIR HAIR. [LAUGHTER]. >> VERY GOOD. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? [LAUGHTER] >> EXCEPT FOR MINE [LAUGHTER]. THERE YOU GO. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, AS A CITY, WE STAY VERY FOCUSED ON THINGS LIKE POLICE, FIRE, DRAINAGE, STREETS. IT'S VERY HARD TO HAVE TIME AND PEEL OFF TIME TO DEAL WITH ARTS AND THINGS LIKE THIS. HIRING ANTOINETTE HAS BEEN A GOD SENT TO US BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS CATCHING IT AS A SIDE HUSTLE. NATALIE WAS CATCHING IT AT JANELLE'S OFFICES SIDE HUSTLE, WE ALL WERE. NOW WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S TRULY DEDICATED IS WHICH SHOWS THAT, ONE, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO THIS AS A CITY. BUT TWO, WE CAN ACTUALLY DEDICATE THE TIME THAT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE IT. WE DON'T WANT TO DABBLE IN THIS, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT LET'S HAVE EXCELLENCE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT ANSWERED. >> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK COUNCIL, I'M READING COUNCIL CORRECTLY, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. VERY GOOD. SHARON, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS TOPIC? >> JUST QUICKLY. THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WITHIN THIS AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH TB ARMSTRONG, WHO WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MILLIONAIRES, HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS WHO LIVED HERE, WHO HAD AN INSURANCE COMPANY. I THINK THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES STILL EXIST IN HOUSTON. THE GUEST ALAN, THAT'S OFF 29, HE WAS A HUGE BUSINESS OWNER. THERE'S JUST SO MANY [INAUDIBLE] THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE EDUCATOR, DR. MORGAN HOUSE STILL EXIST IN THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK IT IS A GREAT MOVE FOR THE CITY. I LOVE THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT A STAKE IN AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, WE SUPPORT THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING BUSINESS HERE TO THIS ISLAND AS WELL. BUT IT WILL TEACH AND HELP ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND THAT GALVESTON IS FULL OF LOTS OF HISTORY. >> VERY MUCH SO. ANTOINETTE, I WANT TO THANK YOU, YOU PUT COUNCIL, THAT DISSOLVES INTO THIS, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, BRIAN. THANK YOUR STAFF FOR ALL OF THE INPUT ON THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. >> GOOD JOB. >> ARE WE VOTING TONIGHT? >> EXCUSE ME? >> I DON'T THINK WE'VE JUST INSTRUCTED MR. [OVERLAPPING]. >> THIS IS MORE OF [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH [OVERLAPPING]. >> MOVE FORWARD. >> WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. >> BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NO FINANCIAL COMMITMENT ON THE CITY'S PART AT THIS TIME, SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. >> OKAY. [3.K. Discussion of A Resolution Of The City Council Of The City Of Galveston, Texas Approving And Authorizing The City Manager To Execute An Interlocal Agreement / Contract With The Galveston Park Board Of Trustees Providing For The Collection Of Hotel Occupancy Taxes, (Hot), The Delegation By The City Of Duties Arising Out Of Texas Tax Code Chapter 351, The Delivery Of Hot To Fund Those Duties; Providing For A Specific Date; Making Various Findings And Provisions Related To The Subject (Legal)] >> JANELLE, LET'S GO TO ITEM 3K IS IN KID, PLEASE. >> ITEM 3K. DISCUSSION OF A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS, APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT CONTRACT WITH THE GALVESTON PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES, PROVIDING FOR THE COLLECTION OF HOTEL [NOISE] TAXES, THE DELEGATION OF [NOISE] DUTIES ARISING OUT OF TEXAS [NOISE] 351, THE DELIVERY OF HOT TO FUND THOSE DUTIES, PROVIDING FOR A SPECIFIC DATE, MAKING VARIOUS FINDINGS AND PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT. >> COUNCIL, WE HAD A WORKSHOP ON THIS. WE GOT OUR CITY ATTORNEY, DON GLYWASKY JOINING US AT THE TABLE. WE HAD A EXECUTIVE SESSION WORKSHOP ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF OUTLIERS HERE RECENTLY, AND COUNCIL GAVE SOME GUIDANCE ON THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT. TO KICK OFF THIS DISCUSSION, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO GO THROUGH THE POINTS. OUR CITY ATTORNEY DON, HAS SENT OUT A MEMO TO ALL OF COUNCIL ON SEVEN AREAS WHERE THE HOT CONTRACT, WE HAD COMMENTS ON AND MADE CHANGES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO GO THROUGH THOSE SEVEN. LET'S WORK THROUGH THOSE SEVEN HERE AND I THINK THAT WOULD ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS ABOUT THIS AND GIVES US DIRECTION. DON, LET'S START OUT WITH NUMBER 1 HERE, IF YOU WOULD, AND LET'S WORK THROUGH THESE, PLEASE SIR. >> OKAY [NOISE]. [01:05:02] NUMBER 1 IS JUST A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE THAT I RECOGNIZED, WHAT WE WERE WORKING THIS LABOR OF GULF. MENTIONING THAT EVERY [INAUDIBLE] FUNDS HAS GOVERNED NOT ONLY BY THE HIGH TAX CODE, BUT ALSO BY THE CITY CHARTER, SO I THOUGHT IT WISE TO INCLUDE THAT. I DON'T SEE ANY CONTROVERSY THERE. IN NUMBER 2, I HAD INCLUDED LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO BE THE ARBITER ON CULTURAL ARTS MATTERS. CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T LIKE THAT, SO I DELETED THAT. YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE, AND THAT'S FINE. HOWEVER, WE DO FUND CULTURAL ARTS AS ANTOINETTE HAD JUST NOTED, SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP DOING THAT. IT'S NO CHANGE IN PRACTICE FROM ANY LANGUAGE IN THIS HOT CONTRACT. THE FIRST BIG, OR I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT A HOT-BUTTON ISSUE IS THE 0.57% BETWEEN NOURISHMENT FUNDS THAT COME FROM THE 2% SENT DOWN HERE BY THE STATE. THE LANGUAGE SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN IN IS THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH PRIOR COUNCIL DIRECTION, THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE THE AUTHORITY ON MATTERS RELATED TO THE BEACH AND WOULD BE EXERCISING CONTROL OVER THAT 0.57%. HOWEVER, THIS YEAR, THE CONTRACT PROVIDES THAT 0.57% MONEY IS GOING TO GO TO THE BEACH PATROL. WE PUT A RESTRICTION IN THERE THAT. >> DON, LET ME CLARIFY. >> SURE. >> FOR THIS YEAR, THE 0.57 IS GOING TO THE PARK BOARD. >> YES. >> BUT NONE OF THOSE FUNDS, THE WAY YOU'VE GOT IT STATED HERE, CAN BE USED FOR BEACH PATROL. >> THAT WAS THE NEXT ITEM I WAS GOING TO GET. >> OKAY. >> AT FINANCES, MORE THAN ENOUGH BEACH PATROL THAT, QUITE THIS MONEY HAS BEEN USED FOR BEACH MAINTENANCE, SO THEY'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. >> BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT TOPIC, BECAUSE THIS FLOWS INTO THE BUDGET AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS KNOWLEDGEABLE, WHERE WE ARE. THIS ITEM 424 GIVES ALL THE 0.57 TO THE PARK BOARD. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF TRANSFERS INTO BEACH CLEANING, THEN THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET, I THINK 234,000 INTO BEACH CLEANING. BEACH PATROL, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY HERE BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SEEN INPUT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THIS HOT CONTRACT, AND AS WE GET TO THE BUDGET, WE'RE NOT CUTTING BEACH PATROL BUDGET, WE'RE NOT CUTTING THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, AND WE ARE ALSO GIVING 120 DAYS OF OPERATING REVENUE TO BEACH PETROL IN CASE OF A CATASTROPHE OR EMERGENCY. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN THE BUDGET, BUT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS IT NOW TOO, IN THIS HOT CONTRACT THAT WHEN WE SAY NONE OF THIS 0.57 CAN BE USED IN BEACH PATROL, IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THAT IDEA. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE BEACH PATROL IS NOT GETTING TOTALLY FUNDED 100%, AND I WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. DAVID. >> AN A POINT TO FOLLOW ON THAT. ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM PARK BOARD IS THAT, IF THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF BEACH PATROL RESERVES THAT THEY ARE HOLDING, CURRENTLY. THERE'S THERE'S MONEY TO DO THAT. THE COMPLAINT WAS AND I THINK CHIEF DAVIS AT THIS THEY WERE THEY'VE TRIED TO BANK [01:10:01] THAT MONEY IN ANTICIPATION OF FUNDING THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS BUT AS MR. MAXWELL POINTED OUT THIS MORNING, WE'RE GOING TO HAPPEN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE FIND. THAT, AND THAT MAJORITY OF THAT IS LABELED DEFAULTS ARE RESERVES AND THE CITY AS IT IS NOW BECAUSE IT'S CLEARLY NOT ENOUGH OPERATIONAL BUDGET FOR THE BEACH PATROLS TO BUILD THE NEW HEADQUARTERS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S SHORTS TO BEACH PATROL IN ANY WAY. >> BEING IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, AND AS SHEILA MENTIONED THIS MORNING, THE FUNDING FOR THE BEACH PATROLS HEADQUARTERS, AT LEAST FOR THIS FIRST MOVEMENT FORWARD OF $692,000, IS EARMARKED. THE FUNDING WOULD COME OUT OF THAT SILO. IT IS IN THE CITY'S DEPOSITS RIGHT NOW FOR BEACH PATROL. THIS DOES NOT COME OUT OF BEACH PATROL'S BUDGET, DOES NOT COME OUT OF THE BEACH PATROL'S 120 DAYS OF RESERVES, AND IT DOES NOT COME OUT OF FUNDS AT THIS POINT THAT THE ART BOARD HAVE BUDGETED FOR THIS COMING YEAR. THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE. MIKE. >> IT'S JUST WEIRD THAT WE LIST ONE GROUP OUT OF THE PARK BOARD THAT THIS CAN'T BE USED FOR. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE THEN IF LIFEGUARDING SERVICE IS NOT INCLUDED, THEN THE BEACH CLEANING IS. HOW DOES THAT WORK? BECAUSE IN ONE OF THE NOURISH BEACH ACTS, THERE'S ANOTHER LAW THAT STATES THAT NATURAL RESOURCES, SORRY. THANK YOU. BOTH THE BEACH CLEANING AND LIFEGUARDING CAN BE USED OUT OF THAT. >> IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, AND IF THIS MEANT COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, AS WE CONTINUE BEFORE WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SHINNEL, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO READ ITEM 3L, [3.L. Discussion and Possible Recommendations As It Relates To The Park Board Budget For 2024 And Subsequent Years Including Special Projects And Capital Improvement Items (City Council - 15 min)] AND I'M GOING TO INVITE SHEILA UP HERE TO THE TABLE. GO AHEAD AND READ ITEM 3L, PLEASE. >> OKAY, 3L, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE PARK BOARD BUDGET FOR 2024 AND SUBSEQUENT YEARS, INCLUDING SPECIAL PROJECTS AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ITEMS. >> THIS WILL BECOME A DUAL DISCUSSION HERE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET INTO BOTH. MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL GETS INTO DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. NOW, BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, MIKE. YOUR QUESTION WAS, WHY ARE WE SINGLING OUT BEACH PETROL ON NOT GETTING ANY TRANSFERS OF FINE FOR 24 FROM BEACH NOURISHED SILO, AND WE ARE SENDING MONIES OVER TO BEACH CLEANING, SHEILA. >> BUT IT NEVER SAYS BEACH CLEANING. IT SPECIFICALLY JUST SAYS THAT THESE FUNDS CANNOT BE USED FOR LIFEGUARD SERVICES. WE'VE SINGLED OUT ONE GROUP. >> WE'RE ONLY TWO INTER-FUND TRANSFERS IN THE CONVERSATION. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY THE WORDING IN THE CONTRACT SINGLES OUT ONE GROUP. >> YOU'RE CORRECT MIKE. >> WELL, LET'S LET SHEILA TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> THE ONLY REASON THAT BEACH PATROL IS SINGLED OUT IS THE BUDGET AS ADOPTED BY THE PARK BOARD HAD TWO TRANSFERS GOING OUT OF NOURISH BEACH. ONE TO BEACH CLEANING AND ONE TO BEACH PATROL. BEACH CLEANING, THEIR OPERATING COSTS EXCEED THEIR CURRENT YEAR REVENUE BY ABOUT 109,000. THEY ARE UNABLE TO CURRENTLY FIND THEIR OPERATING COSTS OUT OF WHAT REVENUE WAS GOING INTO BEACH CLEANING. IN THAT CASE, WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO HELP OFFSET THAT UNTIL THE PARK BOARD FINDS A WAY TO BRING TO REALIGN OPERATING COSTS WITH CURRENT-YEAR REVENUE IN BEACH PATROL, HOWEVER, THERE'S ENOUGH CURRENT-YEAR REVENUE TO COVER CURRENT-YEAR OPERATING COSTS. IN FACT, IT EXCEEDS. BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE IS NO NEED TO MOVE THE MONEY OVER. IT WOULD JUST GO TO FUND BALANCE ESSENTIALLY. BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A NEED, THERE WAS NO REASON TO MOVE IT OUT OF NOURISH BEACH, AND THIS WAY, NOURISH BEACH GETS TO KEEP ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. >> WITH THAT, LET'S SAY FOR SOME REASON WE TAKE THAT SENTENCE OUT, THE FUND BALANCE GOES TO THE BEACH PATROL. THEY DON'T USE IT. WE TRUE UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO NOW? >> ALL THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, BUT ULTIMATELY, [01:15:02] WHEN THE MONEY IS ALLOCATED TO THE PARK BOARD, THE PARK BOARD HAS THE DISCRETION WITH THE MONEY. I THINK THE IDEA WAS IS THAT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL WAS THAT NOURISH BEACH FUNDS SHOULD BE USED FOR NOURISHING THE BEACHES. BY PUTTING THAT LIMITING FACTOR IN THERE, IT ALLOWS THE CITY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCRETION OVER WHAT THOSE NOURISHMENT FUNDS CAN BE USED FOR IN THE FUTURE WHEREAS IF IT CAN MOVE TO BEACH PATROL THEN IT'S NO LONGER MONEY FOR NOURISHING THE BEACHES. >> THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, MIKE, LET ME SAY THIS IS COUNCIL'S DECISION AND WE'LL VOTE ON THIS THIS AFTERNOON. WE'RE NOT DECIDING EXACTLY HOW COUNCIL WE'RE NOT VOTING RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE SEND MONEY OVER AND THEY TRANSFER MONEY TO BEACH PATROL FROM THE 0.57 AS THEY DID THE YEAR BEFORE THEN. THEY ALREADY HAVE MONEY TO COVER THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES AND THEY'RE 120 DAYS OF RESERVES. THIS MONEY AS SHEILA MENTIONED WOULD JUST GO TO THE FUND BALANCE. WE'RE GIVING THEM EXTRA MONEY THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AND NOT ALLOCATED TO THE 120 DAYS. >> THAT WAS THE HOT FUNDS NOURISH BEACH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ISN'T CURRENTLY MAINTAINING 120 DAYS. IT WILL DECREASE BY ABOUT A THIRD FROM 120 DAYS. >> I DIDN'T HEAR MY QUESTION BEING ANSWERED. THE MONEY THAT WAS PUT OVER THERE, THAT IS EXTRA FUND BALANCE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN WE TRUE UP WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MONEY THAT'S OVER THERE AT THE PARK BOARD? >> YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT OUR TRUE-UP WITH THE PARK BOARD? >> YES. >> THE WAY THE CONTRACT READS, NOW, WE ARE ONLY CHEWING GUM ON THE REVENUE SIDE. THERE'S NO TRUE-UP ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. IF BEACH PATROL OR BEACH CLEANING OR ANY OF THE HOT FUNDS DO NOT EXPAND THEIR FULL BUDGET, THEN THAT WILL GO TO FUND BALANCE AT THE PARK BOARD. >> IT STAYS WITH THE PARK BOARD? >> IN THOSE SILOS SPECIFICALLY ON. >> THIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUE OVER AT THE PARK BOARD THAT WARRANTS OUR INVOLVEMENT AS CITY COUNCIL RELATED TO THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS FOR BEACH NOURISHMENT OR FOR THE BEACH PATROL? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE APPOINTED TRUSTEES THAT HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY FOR DEVELOPING A BUDGET AND A LOT OF WHAT I HEAR SOUNDS LIKE IT IS AN INTERNAL ACCOUNTING AND OPERATIONAL THING THAT CAN BE RESOLVED WITH US. I DON'T KNOW, ANYWAY. >> I WOULD DISAGREE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOCATION OF FUNDS. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT LEVEL, SIR. >> I UNDERSTAND. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ALLOCATION OF FUNDS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. I MEAN SOME OF IT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED, BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BOTH BEACH PAINTING AND BEACH PATROL OR PROVIDING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE EXPECT. THIS IS ABOUT THE FUNDING AND FUNDING FROM OUR SUN. IT'S BEEN TRUE FOR SOME YEARS. I BELIEVE THIS STARTS TO BRING US INTO COMPLIANCE WITH BOND DOCUMENTS, MASTER AGREEMENT OR DISAGREEMENT. I THINK IT'S A COMPROMISE WE MAKE THIS YEAR BECAUSE THE BEACH PATROL HAS THE FUND BALANCE AND IF WE IF WE ALLOCATE THIS MONEY, 50,000 DOLLARS JUST GOES TO THE BANK. IT DOESN'T GET EXTENDED ON BEACH PATROL, IT JUST GOES INTO RESERVES. BUT WHEREAS BEACH CLEANING NEEDS THE ASSISTANCE, THEY NEED THE EXTRA MONEY WE HAVE IN THERE. THE STATE HAS NOT HELPED BEEN HELPFUL IN THAT IN RECENT YEARS. THEY ARE SHORT, I THINK THEY'RE DOING A FINE JOB OF IT, BUT THEY HAVE A SHORTFALL IN THEIR BUDGET THAT BEACH PATROL DOES NOT ADD. >> ANY STATE DOES A GOOD JOB OF TELLING EVERYBODY, COME ON GALVESTON AND THEY'LL CLEAN UP AFTER YOU WHEN YOU'RE DONE. >> IN THIS STATE, THE PARK BOARD HAS DONE AN UNBELIEVABLE JOB, IN MY OPINION, KEEPING THESE BEACHES CLEAN WITH THE STATE, CONSTANTLY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY'RE GIVING THE PARK BOARD FOR BEACH CLEANING AND I THINK IT'S DOWN TO ZERO. >> BEEN ZERO FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. >> WE ALSO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, JUST LIKE LASKER PARK, THEY HAVE TO PAY LIFEGUARDS MORE MONEY TO WORK THERE. THEN THEY WOULD WORK AT, LET'S SAY MOODY OR SOME OF THE OTHER POOLS AROUND. SAME THING GOES WITH LIFE-GUARDING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS GOING TO BE TO PAY A LIFEGUARD TO BE ON THOSE STANDS FOR. >> BUT WE'RE NOT REDUCING THEIR BUDGET IN THAT REGARD AND ADDRESSING THEM. [01:20:03] BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOCATION FUNDING. IF IT WERE THE SOURCE OF THOSE FUNDS, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU TO REDUCE THE BEACH PATROLS BUDGET. >> DISSIPATED THAT HE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING THEM EVERYTHING HE ASKED FOR. >> I THINK THEY DID. >> THE WAY I INTERPRET THE BUDGET IS THAT WHATEVER THE CURRENT BOARD HAS ASKED FOR, FOR BEACH PATROL, THEY'RE GETTING ALL THAT MONEY, WE'RE NOT EVEN QUESTIONING THAT, THEY'RE GETTING ALL OF THEIR FUNDS AND 120 DAYS OF RESERVES IN BEACH PATROLS. NOW, THE EXTRA FUNDING THAT BEACH PATROL HAS OVER THERE ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE TWO ITEMS, THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IN THE HOT CON CONTRACT IS ADDRESSING. THE COUNSEL MAY WANT TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, JOHN. >> WE ARE REDUCING THEIR FUND BALANCE IN THE LIFEGUARD. THE BEACH PATROLS SILO THOUGH >> THERE ARE ABOUT 1.8 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF CAPITAL, ASSETS, AND SPECIAL PROJECTS. MOST OF THAT IS RELATED TO THE DEMO AND THE TRAILERS, 1.6 MILLION DOLLARS IS RELATED TO THE DEMO AND THE TRAILERS. BUT THOSE ONE-TIME PROJECTS ARE BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE. IT'S A SPIN-DOWN OF THE FUND BALANCE, BUT THEY DO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AN EXCESS OF 120 DAYS IN THAT FUND. >> I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS SPECIFICALLY THAT BEACH PATROL SILO. [OVERLAPPING] >> YES. >> WE ARE REDUCING THE FUND BALANCE, SO WE ARE TAKING AWAY THIS 0.57. THEY'RE MAKING THAT UP WITH FUND BALANCE. >> NO. THEY GET THE WHOLE 0.57. THEY REQUESTED 1.8 MILLION DOLLARS, WHICH IS THE 0.57 OF THE 3.3 MILLION WE'VE BUDGETED FOR PENNY. THEY'RE GETTING THAT ENTIRE ALLOCATION. THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES AS SOME TRANSFERS IN FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, SOME EXTERNAL SOURCES. THE TOTAL AMOUNT AVAILABLE TO THEM COVERS BASICALLY WE'RE COMPLETING THINGS YOU ASKED ABOUT THE 0.57, THAT'S NOURISHED BEACH. >> YES. >> ON THE NOURISH BEACH SIDE THEY ARE GETTING THEM WHOLE 0.57. WITH THE OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES THAT -THAT FUNDS, AS WELL AS THE ONE TRANSFER OUT TO BEACH CLEANING, THEIR OPERATIONAL COSTS EXCEED THE REVENUE COMING IN AND SO THEY ARE SPENDING DOWN SOME FUND BALANCE TO MEET THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING FOR THE ADDITIONAL TRANSFER OUT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BRING THEIR FUND BALANCE AND NOURISH BEACH FROM LIKE 400,000 TO 100,000, WHICH IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO 120 DAYS. >> THIS IS SO CLEAR. NEXT BUDGET CYCLE, IN THE BEACH PATROLS SILO, THEIR REVENUE CURRENTLY EXCEEDS THEIR BUDGET. >> IN BEACH PATROL, THEIR CURRENT YEAR REVENUE EXCEEDS THEIR OPERATIONAL COSTS. >> CURRENT YEAR'S REVENUE EXCEED OPERATIONAL. >> THAT INCLUDES A 30 PERCENT INCREASE IN THEIR BUDGET OVER LAST YEAR. >> BEACH PATROL ALSO HAS THIS LARGE CAPITAL PIECE RELATED TO THE DEMO AND THE TRAILERS,1.6 MILLION DOLLARS. BUT WHEN YOU PULL ALL THAT OUT, THEN THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET IS ABOUT 4.2 MILLION. THAT IS FULLY FUNDED BY THE 4.4 MILLION OF REVENUE, CURRENT YEAR REVENUE THAT THEY'RE PROJECTING. THERE IS ABOUT 170,000 MORE COMING GET IN REVENUE AND THEIR BUDGET CURRENT YEAR, THEN OPERATIONAL COSTS. THERE'S ABOUT 1.8 MILLION IN SPECIAL PROJECTS. SOME OF THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING FUNDED BY CURRENT YEAR REVENUE, BUT 1.6 MILLION OF IT IS FUNDED BY FUND BALANCE, LEAVING THEM WITH A FUND BALANCE OF 1.4 MILLION, WHICH IS 120 DAYS. >> THAT'S JUST THE BEACH PATROL. >> BEACH PATROLS SILO. >> NEXT YEAR, IF REVENUE STAYS THE SAME AND THEY'RE OPERATING EXPENSES, DON'T GO CRAZY. AGAIN, THEIR REVENUE SHOULD EXCEED THEIR OPERATING EXPENSES. THAT'S WHAT'S POINTING. >> THEY'RE ALIGNED PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW. >> IS JUST A GUESS ON YOUR PART. WHY WOULD THEY USE THIS TRANSFER TO BRING OVER TO THE BEACH PATROLS SILO IF THERE WAS ALREADY REVENUE THERE? >> I CAN TELL YOU IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH BRYCE AND THEY WANT TO BUILD UP EXCESS RESERVES OVER 120 DAYS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR BEACH PATROL, WHICH WE'RE ADDRESSING IN OTHER AREAS. [01:25:01] >> IT IS ALSO NOTABLE THAT MONEY THAT DOESN'T TRANSFER TO BEACH PATROL DOES GO INTO THE BEACH RE-NOURISHMENT RESERVES. >> THAT'S GIVEN TO THE CITY IT STAYS IN THE BEACH RE-NOURISHMENT. >> WHICH IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR 100%. >> BUT THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NECESSARY TO KEEP 120 DAYS OF BEACH NOURISHMENT BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING]. >> BUT YOU DO HAVE STAFF THAT WILL NEED TO BE PAID IF THERE IS A DROP IN HOT. THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE REALLY GOING TO NEED YOUR COASTAL PEOPLE IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF NEEDS ON THE BEACH. WE'RE SACRIFICING THIS WHOLE OPERATION IN ORDER TO PUT JUST MONEY EXTRA AT A BANK OVER HERE. THAT'S NOT AN EATING BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY TO BE FUNDED UP ELSEWHERE ON THAT. THAT'S OUR POINT. THERE'S NO CLANDESTINE PLAN TO MICROMANAGE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ALIGN RECURRING REVENUE WAS OCCURRING EXPENSES AND THE PROPER SILO WHERE IT BELONGS IN MAINTAINING 120-DAY RESERVES, WHICH IS THEIR POLICY ACROSS ALL UP THERE TAX SILOS. >> COUNCILMAN, THANKS. >> MEET THE INTENDED GOALS FORWARD PASSED FY 2024. WHEN WE DO HAVE TO DO THIS HOT CONTRACT AGAIN, IS THIS LANGUAGE PERMANENT MOVING FORWARD? IS IT JUST APPLY TO THIS YEAR? HOW DOES-. >> THIS IS ISSUE. >> IT MAKES CONTRACT. >> LET'S SAY WE FALL IN LINE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WITH BEACH CLEANING AND THEY NEED MORE FUNDING FOR THE BEACH PATROLS. THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THEN DO WE RELEASE THE MONEY OUT OF BEACH NOURISHMENT TO HELP THEM? >> OR YOU MAY FIND IT SOMEPLACE ELSE. YOU WOULD HOPE IF YOU HAVE INCREASING NEEDS FOR BEACH PATROL, THAT YOU HAVE INCREASES IN TOURISM. >> CORRECT. >> WHICH WOULD THEN PRECIPITATE INCREASES IN HOT REVENUE AND THE BEACH PATROLS SILO. >> BUT WE'RE ALSO INCREASING THE SIZE OF OUR BEACHES. >> WELL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY MONEY IN NOURISH BEACH. >> AS WOULD ALSO BE MATTERS FOR OUR FUTURE COUNSEL TO DECIDE. >> CORRECT. >> TALKING A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. >> IT MIGHT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT AND I MEAN, THE BEACHES. I'M JUST DOING AN EDITORIAL COMMENT. I THINK BEACH PATROL DOES A GREAT JOB IN MAINTAINING THE SAFETY OF OUR BEACHES. THEY NEED TO EXPAND THEIR FOOTPRINT. THE USE OF OUR BEACHES IS EXPANDING EXPONENTIALLY OUT THERE. BEACH PATROL NEEDS MORE FUNDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH EXPANDING THEIR FOOTPRINT ON THE SAND. I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE, BUT UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE BEACH PATROL BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST. >> THIRTY PERCENT. >> EXCUSE ME, 30% INCREASE IN THE BUDGET. MIKE, YOU MIGHT KNOW BETTER ON THAT AND WHAT THAT 30% WOULD COVER IT. I DON'T KNOW. >> LET US INCREASE SALARIES. >> WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT, I THINK WHEN I WOULD TALK TO CHIEF DAVIS, IT WAS THE SALARIES. BUT I MEAN, WELL, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME AGING EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE PURCHASED. >> MY CONTENTION HERE ALL ALONG HAS BEEN THIS MONEY IS NOT PERFECTLY FUNGIBLE. YOU CAN'T JUST MOVE IT BACK AND FORTH. TAKING IT OUT OF BEACH NOURISHMENT TO FUND ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE SAME AS GOING TO VISIT JAVA'S AND SAYING WE NEED WE NEED CVP MONEY TO FUND THE BEACH PATROL. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S LEGITIMATE USE OF AND I DON'T THINK THESE TRANSFERS ARE LEGITIMATE. THAT'S MY ARGUMENT ALL ALONG. THESE THINGS ARE SILOED FOR BY LAW AND BY AGREEMENT FOR A REASON. >> YOU'RE DOING IT WITH BEACH CLEANING AND I'M NOT 100% THRILLED ABOUT THAT. >> THE COUNCIL OF THE TO ME, THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE IS, IS THAT BEACH PATROLS OPERATIONAL BUDGET IS THEY HAVE REQUESTED FOR 24, IS GOING TO BE FUNDED 100% IN THIS BUDGET, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF. IN ADDITION TO THAT COMPLETE FUNDING OF THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, THEY WILL GET 120 DAYS FUNDING TO MAINTAIN 120 DAYS OF OPERATIONAL RESERVES. THE QUESTION BECOMES, THE EXCESS FUNDS THAT COULD GO INTO BEACH PATROL, POSSIBLY FROM THE TRANSFER OF THE 0.57 FOR THIS COMING YEAR. DO THOSE NEED TO STAY WITH THE PARK BOARD OR DO THOSE NEED TO BE MANAGED AND THOSE WOULD NOT BE ALLOCATED TO THE BEACH PATROL BUDGET. >> YOU TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET IN 25? >> TWENTY FOUR. >> BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR QUESTION IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP IN THE 25. >> THAT'S THE QUESTION NOW TOO, BECAUSE IF COUNCIL ELECTS TO CHANGE THIS INVOLVEMENT WITH THE 0.57 FOR 24 AND ALLOWS THE BEACH PATROLS TO TRANSFER MONIES INTO BEACH PATROL. [01:30:04] WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS INCREASING THEIR FUND BALANCE. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE IN MY MIND. >> TO BE CLEAR, HOT REVENUE IS INCREASING 41% OVERALL REVENUE AND BEACH PATROL IS GOING UP 26. THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET IS ONLY INCREASING 9%. THE LARGE INCREASE IN BEACH PATROL IS RELATED TO THE SPECIAL PROJECTS THIS YEAR OVER LAST YEAR. I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE WHOLE BUDGET OPERATIONALLY IS NOT INCREASING 30%, IT'S ONLY INCREASING 9%. BUT THERE'S A BIG PROJECT THAT'S PUSHING THAT BUDGET UP. THE WHOLE 0.57 IS BEING ALLOCATED TO NOURISH BEACH AND THE TRANSFER WOULD OCCUR TO BEACH CLEANING BUT NOT TO BEACH PATROL BASED ON THE WAY WE HAVEN'T CURRENTLY PRESENTED. IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE CLEARLY STATED EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. >> I THINK COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS. >> THE 0.7 WILL GO TO AWKWARD. YOU JUST CAN'T USE IT FOR TO BE CONTROLLED. >> WE DON'T RECOMMEND THE TRANSFER TO BEACH CONTROL. THAT'S NOT RECOMMENDED IN THIS. >> CORRECT. >> AS WE CALLED OUT THE POINT. >> THAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOCATED TO NOURISH BEACH. >> THEY GET THE 0.57. THEY JUST CAN'T TRANSFER IT TO THE BEACH PATROLS ISLAND. >> BECAUSE WHEN YOUR CONTRACT. >> YES, SIR. >> IT WAS OUR IMPRESSION THAT GIVING THEM THE 0.57 WAS A ONE-OFF AND ADD IN THE FUTURE, YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO KEEP THAT. HOWEVER, LET ME BACK PROBABLY NEXT WEEK WITH EXPERIENCE NEXT BUDGET AND YOU CAN CONTINUE THAT AGAIN AS WELL. >> THAT WAS THAT WAS ACTUALLY A REQUEST TO MADE BY THE PARK TOWARD THAT THEY CAN WAIT, IF THE BEACH PATROL WE FOUND A WORKAROUND ON, WE COULD NOT FIND A WORKAROUND FOR THE BEACH MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO ENTRENCHED AND USING THIS 0.57 FOR BEACH MAINTENANCE, WE ALL AGREE THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB OUT THERE. THEY'VE ASKED FOR A YEAR REPRIEVED TO TRY TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GIVING HIM. PLUS WE'RE TRYING DESPERATELY TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF FUND BALANCE IN THAT FUND. BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE PAYING IN NAME. THEY VERY ELOQUENTLY LAID THIS OUT AND THEY'RE VERY CORRECT. THEY'VE GOT A FULL STAFF OVER THERE THAT'S CHASING FEDERAL DOLLARS AND THAT'S TRYING TO GROW OUR BEACHES AND TRYING TO HANDLE THE NOURISHMENT. IF WE HAVE A DISASTER, THAT CAN'T STOP, THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO ACCELERATE. IF THE HOT TAX DROPS OFF AND WE LOSE A YEAR HOT TAX BECAUSE ALL THE HOTELS ARE FILLED UP WITH FEMA PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE HERE, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE MAYBE A PROLONGED PERIOD THAT 120 DAYS AND THAT SILO IS PROBABLY MORE CRITICAL THAN ANY OTHER SILO THEY HAVE. JUST OUR TAKE ON IT. >> THE EMPHASIS ON THE 0.75 FOR NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT? WHILE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT? JUST BECAUSE. >> 0.57 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE I HAD WRITTEN AT WE LOOK GOING TO KEEP IT. COUNCIL KICKED OUT LIKE THAT, REQUESTED THIS CHANGE AND NOW TALKING ABOUT A PROPOSED CHANGE. >> I GOT YOU. TO ADDRESS YOUR POINT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT USING IT FOR CLEANING OR BEACH PATROL, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE MY OPTIONS OPEN IN IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS WITHIN THE LAW. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAINTAIN OR GUARD OUR 32 MILES OF BEACHES. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT MONEY ANYTIME SOON. WE NEED TO LOOK FOR OPTIONS TO DO THAT. IF WE CAN DO IT OUT OF THAT, I'M FINE WITH DOING IT. >> YOU SAY, WHO THEN THE LAW. I DON'T DISPUTE THAT. WHAT I WHAT I HAVE SAID ALL ALONG IS THAT THE BOND DOCUMENTS ATTACHED TO THIS CONVENTION CENTER MANAGEMENT AGREEMENTS HAVE SPECIFICS ABOUT HOW THIS MONEY HAS TO BE SILOED AND THAT I DON'T THINK. >> IT'S A CONTRACT ISSUE. >> YEAH. >> COUNCIL, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THE 57, LET'S MOVE TO THE 95%. NUMBER 4, PLEASE. >> 0.95 WAS A METHODOLOGY THAT AMOUNT OF OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SHEILA, WE MAY NOT HAVE NOTICED, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT'S GENIUS. THIS CAME UP THAT WE WOULD FUND THEM. WITH THE EMPHASIS ON CONTROL ON THE REVENUE SIDE, I'M TOLD NOW, FUNDED 100%, KEEP 5% IN RESERVE. MAKE FOUR EQUAL PAYMENTS OF 95% EACH. AT THE END, THERE'LL BE A TRUE UP. [01:35:02] THERE COULD BE REDUCTIONS BASED ON OUR COLLECTIONS AND REJECTIONS. GOT ANYTHING TO ADD THERE? [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S IN A LINE WITH ACTUAL COLLECTIONS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FULLY TRANSPARENT IN OUR PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BETWEEN US AND PARK BOARD. THERE WOULD BE NO SURPRISES TO. PARK BOARD THAT COLLECTIONS WERE LOWER AND THEY WOULD BE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THAT TRIP WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> IT APPEARED TO US BASED ON DATA THAT COLLECTIONS WERE REALLY DIPPING DOWN, HER STAFF WOULD ADVISE TO PARK BOARD. THIS IS WHAT IT'S LOOKING AT. THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. THEY WANT TO MAKE THAT'S THEIR DECISION. IF IT APPEARS THAT OTHER REACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, I SHALL ADVISE COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT'LL BECOMES A COUNCIL DECISION. >> MIKE. >> IN THE PAST, WE'VE NEEDED THIS. WHAT ARE WE FIXING? WHY DON'T THEY GET 100%? IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE PAST THAT SHOWS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP THIS MONEY BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOOD WITH THEIR BUDGET? >> NO, I THINK IT'S MORE A QUESTION OF THE CITY IS, HISTORICALLY WE ALWAYS GET HOT TAX ON A MONTHLY BASIS, SO IT'S A MONTHLY REVENUE SOURCE. HISTORICALLY, IT WASN'T FUNDED THIS WAY, BUT NOW BECAUSE THE CITY IS RECEIVING IT OR PARK BOARD SENDS IT TO US AND THEN WE SEND IT BACK. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A QUARTERLY TRANSFER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE QUARTER. THE CITY IS PAYING OUT A QUARTER OF THE BUDGETED HOT ALLOCATION IN ADVANCE OF RECEIVING THE FUNDS EACH THREE MONTHS. ULTIMATELY THE CITY TAKES ON A LITTLE RISK TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT THE CITY SO THE CITY IS NOT OUT ALL THE MONEY OR OUT MORE THAN WE END UP COLLECTING. IT'S SIMPLY TO PROTECT THE CITY SO THE CITY IS NOT SENDING OUT MONEY THAT IS NEVER COLLECTED ULTIMATELY. >> BUT YET IN THE NEXT YEAR, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO COLLECT THE MONEY AND YOU COULD MAKE YOUR MONEY BACK THAT YEAR. >> WELL, THERE IS THIS OVERLAP, WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE A PARKOUR BUDGET WAY IN ADVANCE OF THAT FISCAL YEAR STARTING AND WE'RE GOING TO START THOSE ALLOCATIONS BEFORE WE EVEN HAVE COMPLETED THE RECEDING OF COLLECTIONS FOR THIS YEAR. >> BUT IN THE HISTORY WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. >> THAT'S NOT A REASON NOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT AT RISK, I WOULD SAY. >> WE'RE NOT SOLVING ANY PROBLEM, WE'RE JUST CREATING ANOTHER LAYER. >> I'M SURE. >> I JUST SAID I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RISK IS. YEAH, I DON'T. >> FALL ON COLLECTION OF HOT TAX. HURRICANE. >> LET'S LET SHEILA ANSWER THAT. TOUCH ON. >> I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE CITY IS GOING TO BE SENDING THE MONEY OVER. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS, ONCE IT'S THERE, IT'S NOT COMING BACK, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OPINION, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE PROVIDE TO THE PARK BOARD IS IN LINE WITH WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING COLLECTED AND WHAT WE'VE ALLOCATED FOR THE YEAR. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU JUST THEN IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR, YOU COULDN'T TRUE IT UP BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED IT. >> WELL, I'M NOT SAYING WE COULD POTENTIALLY ANYTHING. THE FUTURE IS UNKNOWN TO ALL OF US. >> THAT'S WHERE THE RISK COMES IN. I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT WOULD IN MY OPINION BE RISKIER TO THE PARK BOARD IF WE APPROVE A BUDGET HOPEFULLY IN LET'S SAY SEPTEMBER OF NEXT YEAR FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND PLANS ARE MADE ON THAT BUDGET, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, LET'S SAY SEPTEMBER COLLECTIONS COME IN WAY LOW BECAUSE THERE'S A GIANT HURRICANE. THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL PARK BOARD, WE KNOW WE APPROVE THIS BUDGET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT OUT OF THERE. WE'RE GOING TO CLAW BACK. INSTEAD, IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ADD MORE CONSERVATIVELY THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR SO THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL RISK BEING ADDED TO FUTURE YEARS AND IT'S ALL CONTAINED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR. >> RISK IS YOU'RE ENTERING INTO A CONTRACT, YOU GIVE THEM X, AND WITHOUT THESE PROVISIONS TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE IF WE GET A VAST COLLECTIONS THAN WHAT WE'VE CONTRACTED FOR, WE WANT THE RISK. ORANGE PLENTY CONTRACTS TYPICALLY INVOLVE CALLBACK PROCEEDINGS, VOICE ME SURE TO ADDRESS THOSE RISKS. ARE THEY OFTEN IMPLEMENTED? NOT REALLY. IT'S JUST A WAY OF PROTECTION FOR BOTH PARTIES, SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE RULES ARE AND IS ABLE TO ADHERE TO THEM. >> WHEN DOES THE AG'S OPINION COME INTO PLAY? WHEN YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT OR APPROVE THE BUDGET OR WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DELIVER THE FUNDS? >> I'M GOING TO ANSWER THAT, [01:40:01] BUT WHEN THOSE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED CONTRACTUALLY, WE ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TO THE PARK BOARD. THOSE ARE ALLOCATED TO THE PARK BOARD NOW. >> ALLOCATED MEANING YOU APPROVE THE BUDGET, OR YOU ACTUALLY WRITE A CHECK? >> ONCE THEY ARE IN RECEIPT OF THE FUNDS. >> THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION I DON T KNOW. >> GETTING THE MONEY IS A TWO-STEP PROJECT. NUMBER 1, WE APPROVE A BUDGET. NUMBER 2, WE SIGN A CONTRACT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT UNDER THE TAX CODE. YOU ASK WHEN THE AG OPINION COMES INTO PLAY. I TRY UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY, BUT BASICALLY, THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT ONCE WE SENT THEM THE MONEY, WE COULD NEVER CALL THAT BACK. THE AG SAID, NOT QUITE WE CAN INCLUDE CONDITIONS IN THE CONTRACT BECAUSE THE CONTRACT IS THE ALLOCATION, AND THE BUDGET IS THE ALLOCATION. WHEN WE ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT, SEND THEM HOT MONEY, WE CAN INCLUDE CONDITIONS IN. >> WE'RE ACTUALLY DISCUSSING NUMBER 7 HERE, AREN'T WE? >> WELL, WE'VE JUMPED DOWN. >> WE'RE GOING 0.95. >> WHAT YOU JUST SAID THERE THOUGH, AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RISK IF YOU PUT THE CONDITION IN THE CONTRACT, IT DOES NOT SEEM THAT THERE IS THE RISK. BECAUSE THE AG HAS SAID IF YOU PUT THE CONDITION IN THERE, YOU CAN CALL BACK. >> THAT'S RIGHT. BUT REMEMBER, WE'RE PAYING MONEY, AND WE'RE COLLECTING IN A REUSE OF ADVANCEMENTS, SO I THINK TO ME THAT'S THE RISK PERIOD, CORRECT? >> YES. I THINK IF WE DO THE 95%, THEN ALL THE FUNDS RELATED TO FISCAL YEAR 24 ONLY IMPACT FUNDS AND EXPENDITURES RELATED TO FISCAL YEAR 24. IF WE PROPOSE A ROLLING SOLUTION WHERE THIS YEAR'S REVENUE REDUCTIONS BASED ON LOWER COLLECTIONS IMPACT NEXT YEAR, THEN YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THIS ROLLING IMPACT ON FUTURE FISCAL YEARS. I THINK THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A TENUOUS PROPOSITION AS YOU'RE PLANNING FOR FUTURE YEARS. IF WE ALL KNOW THAT THE RULES FOR THIS YEAR APPLY TO THIS YEAR, AND THE ONLY TRUE HOPE IS GOING TO BE WITHIN THE FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR THIS YEAR, AND THAT 5% IS THE ONLY 5% WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH. I THINK PARK BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO MANAGE TO THAT. WHEREAS IF IT'S AN UNKNOWN AMOUNT THAT COULD IMPACT NEXT YEAR, IT'S MUCH HARDER TO MANAGE TOO FROM A FISCAL PERSPECTIVE IN MY OPINION. >> LET ME CLARIFY THAT. IN MY MIND, IF FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS IF THERE'S A FUND BALANCE, WHEN YOU TRUE UP AND THERE'S A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE AT THE PARK BOARD THAT WOULD IMPACT YOUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS FOR THAT COMING YEAR TO UTILIZE THAT FUND BALANCE. IS THAT CORRECT? >> ABSOLUTELY. WE HOPE THAT THERE'S ALL POSITIVE FUND BALANCE AT THE PARK BOARD AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. BUT UP TO 120 DAYS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S PARK BOARD'S POLICY TO MAINTAIN. ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THEY WOULD CONTEMPLATE IN THEIR 25 BUDGET FOR ALLOCATION TO ONETIME PROJECTS. >> IF THEY DIP BELOW 120 DAYS FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REBUILD THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALLOW THEM TO DO. >> EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE MORE, BRIAN, WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >> YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP SPINNING AND IF YOU GET BELOW 120, THEY COME OVER AND SIT DOWN BELOW 120. WHAT AM I GOING TO DO ABOUT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ALLOWING THEM TO TRUE UP AND THAT'S PART OF THE TRIP. THEY CAN ACTUALLY REBUILD THEIR OWN FUND BALANCE. >> WITH THE FUND BALANCE IF IT WAS A POSITIVE FUND BALANCE WITH THE TRUE, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING A TRUE UP ON THE EXPENDITURES. >> CORRECT. >> AND WE'RE NOT CALLING ANY OF THAT BACK IF THEY UNDERSTAND, THEY WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL TO GO TO THEIR FUND BALANCE. >> CORRECT. >> THE NEXT ITEM. >> THE NEXT ITEM, THIS IS NUMBER 5. THE SEVERANCE AND SOME CYNICS. >> WILL SEE A TOTALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE OF SEVERANCE PAY, AND INCENTIVE PAY. WE THINK WE GOT YOUR DESIRES CORRECT ASKED TO INCENTIVE PAY BE WRITTEN IN THAT. PEOPLE WHO ARE EMPLOYEES OF THE SALES TEAM AND THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT, THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE SELLING, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR INCENTIVE PAY. SEVERANCE PAY. [01:45:05] WE SET UP THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF EMPLOYEES. THERE IS A GROUP OF EMPLOYEES, ABOUT SEVEN, AS I RECALL, OF WHOM THEY HAVE CONTRACTS THAT EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. WE HAVE PROVIDED IN HERE THAT THOSE EMPLOYEES WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR SEVERANCE PAY IF THAT PAY IS NEEDED BEFORE 2024. THE PAYMENT IS GOING TO BE A RATIO OF, THEY CAN USE HOT FOR IT ONLY TO THE EXTENT HOT TO THE SAME RATIO THAT HOT PAYS THEIR SALARY AS TO NON HOT FUNDS. >> THAT WAS GOOD WORK BY COUNCIL COMING UP, BUT DEFINITELY. >> YES. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM? COUNCIL. >> AS TO THE CEO AND CFO, WE'RE NOT ADHERING TO THAT SEPTEMBER 2024 THING. WE EXPECT THAT THEY'LL HAVE INCENTIVE PAY AND THEY HAVE CONTRACTS FOR WHO KNOWS WHEN, THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO SAY. HOW CAN IT BE USED TO PAY THEIR SEVENTH EDITION? THE SAME RATIO APPROACH OF HOW MUCH OF THEIR SALARY AS A RATIO TO HOT. THEY CAN USE HOT TO THAT EXTENT. >> AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, THIS ITEM CAME WITH THE INITIATION OF COUNCIL. I THINK COUNCILMAN BOUVIER EVEN BROUGHT THIS THOUGHT FORWARD FOR US TO CONSIDER ALSO ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. DON, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE ON THIS, AND I RE-READ IT BACK-AND-FORTH, YOUR OUTLINE HERE ON SECTION 16 THAT YOU GAVE ON THE SEVEN POINTS OR SO. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IN READING THE ACTUAL HOT CONTRACT OF 16, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME IT SAYS THE SAME THING, BUT I MAY BE MISREPRESENTING. >> OKAY. HOLD ON. >> MAY NOT UNDERSTOOD IT. >> WE HAVE THE ACTUAL BOOKING FOR INCENTIVE PAY BONUSES, SAYS BASICALLY NO EMPLOYEE OF THE PARK BOARD CAN GET INCENTIVE PAY, BUT INCENTIVE PAY CAN BE GIVEN TO THE EMPLOYEES OF THE SALES TEAM OF THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT, WHOSE SOLE JOB DUTIES ARE ACTUAL BOOKING OF EVENTS. WE'RE GOOD THERE, RIGHT? >> WELL, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO READ THE WORDING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING TO ME. IT SAYS EMPLOYEES OF THE PARK BOARD WHO PRESENTLY HAVE A CONTRACT FOR THE PAYMENT OF SEVERANCE PAY MAY HAVE SEVERANCE PAY BY HOT ONLY IF SUCH SEVERANCE PAY IS REQUIRED TO BE PAID BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2024. >> THAT'S WHEN YOUR CONTRACT IS GOING TO EXPIRE. WE'RE COVERING THE CONTRACT PERIOD THAT THEY HAVE BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE CONTRACTS ARE GOING TO GO AWAY AFTER THAT. >> RECOVERING THE COMMITMENT THE BOARD HAS ALREADY MADE FOR THEM. >> THE SECOND PARAGRAPH SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT CEO AND CFO. >> OKAY. I THINK THAT'LL HAVE THAT IN WHATEVER THE CONTRACT THEY HAVE IN THE FUTURE, NO MATTER. >> I'M FINE. I GUESS IT WAS JUST ME. I JUST DIDN'T PICK UP ON THE WORDING. YOUR WORDING IN YOUR YOUR LITTLE POINTS WAS VERY CLEAR. THIS OTHER WORDING GOT A LITTLE CARDBOARD FOR ME, BUT THAT'S FINE. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 6 THEN, DON. >> I ADDED ONE ITEM THAT IF THE PARK BOARD ISSUES A GRANT TO A THIRD PARTY USING HOT FUNDS, IT HAS TO HAVE A CONTRACT AND RECEIVE QUARTERLY REPORTS THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER THE HOT TAX CODE. I UNDERSTAND. MARY, YOU'VE ADVISED ME THEY WERE ALREADY DOING IT. TO ME, THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE. I THOUGHT IT WAS ADVISABLE TO PUT IN. THEN SECTION 20 IS THE FORCE MATURE AND THE DEDUCTIONS ARE BASED ON COLLECTIONS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SURPRISES THERE. THERE WAS A CONCERN. WHAT IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL REDUCTION REQUIRED FOR NOT A AN ACTUAL NATURE, [01:50:04] JUST NATURAL LOSS OF COLLECTIONS? WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT BY ALLOWING FINANCE STAFF TO NOTICE ANY TRENDS USING CURRENT AND HISTORICAL DATA AS THEY DEEM NECESSARY. AS WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, THEY ADVISE THE PARK BOARD COLLECTIONS OF LOOKING DOWN, AND IF FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED, THEY CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. I THINK THIS COVERS IT. >> MIKE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CALL ON YOU. >> NO, I'M GOOD. >> OKAY. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE SEVEN POINTS, DAVID. >> I'LL HAVE TO BRING IT UP. ITEM 7. PARK BOARD MAY USE HOT FUNDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ONLY WITH PARK AS DEEMED WITH THE COUNCIL. FOR PURPOSES OF AGREEMENT, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE DEFINED AS THE ADDITION OF PERMANENT AND HAS A VALUE OF $125,000 MORE. THAT IS NOT HOW THE ORDINANCE READS. I HAVE THIS ARGUMENT EVERY YEAR WITH SOMEBODY. SECTION 2654 OF THE CODE SAYS FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, THE MIDTERM MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO AUTHORIZE THE TRUSTEES TO MAKE ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ON PROPERTY PLACEMENT OF THE MANAGEMENT CONTROL WITHOUT PRIOR APPROVAL. THAT DOLLAR FIGURE IS NOT IN THERE, IT IS IN THE MAINTENANCE SECTION, BUT IT IS NOT IN 2654 D3. OFTEN IT DOES AUTHORIZE THE PARK BOARD TO UNDERTAKE MAINTENANCE, REPAIR OF EXISTING STRUCTURES IF THE COST DOES NOT EXCEED $125,000, WHICH SEEMS AWFULLY HIGH FIGURE TO ME. BUT ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BY ORDINANCE HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL. ALL OF THEM. I KNOW YOU'VE ARGUED WITH ME THAT WASN'T YOUR INTENT TO BEGIN WITH. THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS. YOU DON'T WANT THE CODE TO SAY THAT, WE CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE THAT. BUT I WOULD THINK THE CODE RULES OVER THE CONTRACT. >> NO. THE CONTRACT IS THE CONTRACT. MR. COLLINS IS CORRECT. THIS IS WHAT THE CODE SAYS. IF YOU'D LIKE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE, SO IT'S READY FOR FIVE O'CLOCK. WE ALSO DEAL WITH THIS IN THE ENCYCLICAL THAT, WHEN DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT, SAM? >> 2028. >> WE CAN ALSO DEAL WITH THAT IN THE INTER VOCALS, AS WELL. BUT THIS IS AN OVERSIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. I SHOULD HAVE CALLED IT. >> DAVID IS CORRECT ON THE ORDINANCE. HE'S HAD HE AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS FOR YEARS OVER THIS. PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE WAY IT IS IN THE HOT CONTRACT. IT IS NOW. BUT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE MY THOUGHT, WE NEED TO DO THAT TO BE IN LINE. >> WE CAN DO EITHER. I'M NOT MARRIED TO ONE OR THE OTHER. BUT AS I SAID, I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT THIS WAY, YOU GOT TO CHANGE THE CODE. >> YEAH. IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, DON, I WANT TO GET CLEAR. YOU HAVE IN ONE OF THE PARAGRAPHS, THE NEXT TO THE LAST, AND THAT'S IN SECTION 7. USE OF HOT FUNDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WILL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL BEYOND ANNUAL BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN APPROVALS AND THE USE OF HOT FUNDS TO BE UTILIZED IN A PROJECT MUST BE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED. IN PRACTICE, WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT. >> IF YOU APPROVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. >> WE DO. BUT THOSE THAT WE APPROVE, THEY ARE APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD. IF THEY'RE APPROVED IN THE BUDGET, THEY'RE APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD. THEY DON'T COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >> THAT IS NOT HOW IT HAS BEEN. ARE YOU SAYING THIS CONTRACT MAKES IT SOUND THAT WAY? BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE DID IT LAST YEAR. >> BUT LAST YEAR, IF YOU REMEMBER, I THINK DON WENT THROUGH THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. WE APPROVED THOSE THAT HE FELT SHOULD BE IMPROVED WITH THE BUDGET, AND THEY DID NOT COME BACK TO COUNCIL INDIVIDUALLY. THE WAY THIS READS. >> IT SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE HOT FUNDS, YOU BETTER IDENTIFY THAT IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. >> WELL, THAT'S MY POINT. RIGHT HERE IT SAYS EVEN IF WE APPROVE THEM IN THE BUDGET, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT FOR APPROVAL. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION OR THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL. >> I WOULDN'T BE BURDENED WITH THAT. >> EXCUSE ME. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE BURDENED WITH THAT RATHER THAN PRESENT A CIP. WE APPROVED THE CIP. >> CORRECT? >> THIS IS NOT HOW WE DID IT LAST YEAR. I THOUGHT IT WAS PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL THE WAY WE DID IT LAST TIME. [01:55:04] >> I DID TOO, AND THIS WORDING THOUGH DOES NOT ALLOW THAT. >> USE OF HOT FUNDS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ONLY WITH PRIOR CONSENT OF COUNCIL. >> BEYOND ANNUAL BUDGET? >> I DON'T THINK HE MEANS AN EXCESS OF ANNUAL BUDGET. >> OKAY. >> I MEAN, REQUIREMENT OVER AND ABOVE. MAYBE BEYOND IS A BAD ORDINANCE PERFORMED PARAGRAPH. >> USE HOT FUNDS BEYOND THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. >> OKAY. I THINK WHAT I'M SAYING, IF WE'VE APPROVED IT, YOU CAN HAVE IT. IF YOU WANT TO USE MORE THAN THAT, YOU'LL NEED TO COME BACK TO US. >> THAT IS TO SUGGEST THAT IF THEY PRESENT THE CIP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, IF WE APPROVE THAT, OFF THEY GO. >> WELL, I THINK YOU ALSO REQUIRE FUNDING IDENTIFICATION. >> WELL, OF COURSE. >> YEAH. >> YES. >> BUT ARE WE NOT ON TAGS TO APPROVE BOTH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE BUDGET TODAY? >> CORRECT. >> YEAH. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO REVIEW THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN OR DO YOU THINK WE HAVE SUFFICIENTLY REVIEWED IT? I WOULD ASK YOU THIS. >> STAFF HAS. YES. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN? >> THEY DO. >> THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED IN THE BACKUP INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL HAS RECEIVED, THERE ARE TWO PAGES. THE FIRST PAGE THAT IS STRIPED FOR THE FUNDS IS THE ONES THAT STAFF ABSOLUTELY IS RECOMMENDING FOR FUNDING AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE FUNDING PLAN WE HAVE PROVIDED. THE SECOND PAGE WHERE IT'S PREDOMINANTLY WHITE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE BELIEVE COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT SEPARATELY OR INDIVIDUALLY. BECAUSE IT WOULD OVERDRAW THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT BELOW THE 120 DAYS, STAFF DID NOT FEEL APPROPRIATE TO SELECT BETWEEN THESE PROJECTS. THESE ARE THE ONES WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING TO BE FUNDED AS A PART OF OUR BUDGET REVIEW AND IT'S TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. >> WE'LL BE MAKING THOSE EXCEPTIONS, THOSE NOTES, AND 12B. [OVERLAPPING] >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED, THE WHITE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE BUDGET IS WHEN WE APPROVE THE BUDGET, SOME OF THE CIP WILL BE APPROVED. THAT DOESN'T COME BACK TO US INDIVIDUALLY. BUT IF COUNCIL WILL URGE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK ON CERTAIN CIP PROJECTS, THOSE WILL BE DENOTED AS SUCH. NOW THIS IS MY QUESTION SINCE WE'VE GOT INTO THAT ON THAT THERE IS A LIST AS SHEILA MENTIONED OF, IN THE TOURISM SILO THAT IT TOTALS 3.7 MILLION OF PROJECTS THAT IF ALL OF THOSE WERE APPROVED, IT WOULD BRING THEM BELOW THE 120 DAYS. BUT THEY DO HAVE FUNDING IN THEIR BUDGET FOR APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILLION OF THIS 3.7. IF COUNCIL WANTED TO MOVE AND CONSIDERED NOT DROPPING BELOW 120, WE COULD PASS THE PART BOARD TO COME BACK AND DENOTE THOSE PROJECTS IN THE TOURISM SILO THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO FIND WITH THE 1.2 MILLION? THEN THOSE THAT ARE OVER THAT THE 2.5 THAT FUNDING WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE HOT FUNDS THAT ARE HELD BY THE CITY HERE IN OUR ANALYSIS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $1.5 MILLION PER CALL. >> ABOUT 1.2, UNDERSTAND. >> WE'VE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS CONVERSATION LAST WEEK. THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY STAFF WHEN THAT MONEY WAS ALLOCATED PREVIOUSLY, WHERE TO GO. >> FOR THE WAVE FINDER. >> YES. I'M SORRY, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE WAVE FINDER. >> TALKING TO BRACE AND FRAZIER, ALL THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER. WHEN THE $14 MILLION WAS TRANSFERRED BACK, THAT MONEY WENT AWAY. SO HE HAS A PORTION OF IT TO FUND IT BUT THE REST OF IT IS WITHIN THAT $14 MILLION THAT WAS GIVEN BACK TO THEM. >> UNALLOCATED FUNDS. >> BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE PART BOARD ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO FUND WITH THEIR 1.2 MILLION. I WOULD LIKE TO GET INPUT FROM THE PART BOARD ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO FUND 1.2 MILLION OF THE 3.7 OUT OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE ALLOCATED IN THEIR BUDGET. [02:00:07] THEN THE REMAINING 2.5 MILLION THAT WE'LL HAVE TO COME OUT OF FUNDS THAT WE HAVE DEPOSITED HERE AND THEY COULD BRING THOSE FORWARD AND WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY WANT FOR THAT FUNDING, COUNCIL CAN SEE ABOUT APPROVING THAT FUNDING. >> I'M OKAY WITH DOING IT THAT WAY. MY CONCERN WITH THE WAY FUNDING A PROJECT IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY HAS BEEN INTEGRALLY INVOLVED IN. WE FUNDED THAT AND IT WAS IN THEIR BUDGET. I DIDN'T SEE THAT AS UNALLOCATED FUNDS, BUT I SURE WOULD PUT WHAT MR. MADISON JUST SAID. WE ALLOCATED THAT LAST YEAR. I WAS THE ONE OF THE QUESTION WHO CAME UP WITH THAT MONEY GO. ARE THEY SUGGESTING THEY GET US BACK ALLOCATED FUNDS? >> BECAUSE WE DID NOT REDUCE THEIR BUDGET WHEN WE TOOK. >> NO. >> WELL, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN MIKE AND BRYSON ON WHAT WAS TO BE THERE AND WHAT WASN'T. THAT POSSIBLY WAS PART OF IT. >> THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT THE PARK BOARD WAS SAYING AND WHAT THE CITY WAS SAYING. >> BIG ONE. >> MAYOR, I LIKED THE IDEA. IT SEEMS LIKE IT IT'S A GOOD KIND OF CLEANUP. JUST GO AHEAD. >> SAY LOUD WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> I LIKE THE MAYOR'S IDEA OF MOVING FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS HERE FOR, TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO FUND WITH A 1.2, AND THEN COME BACK TO US WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD CLEAN-UP BASED UPON ALL THE EFFORTS THAT THE PARK BOARD HAS DONE, THE CITY HAS DONE. YOU SCRUBBED IT RELATED TO THEIR 120-DAY FUND BALANCE. THAT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE SOLUTION. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT TOPIC COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. NOW, WE'RE GOING TO THE BUDGET. WE'VE GONE INTO THE BUDGET A LOT HERE ALREADY. THAT'S MAINLY THE ITEMS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE BUDGET CENTERED AROUND THE 0.57. WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT UNLESS COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE FURTHER, WE SURELY CAN. IT'S CENTERED AROUND THE REMAINING 3.7 IN THE TOURISM SILO PROJECTS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY COULD FIND THAT IS NOW WHICH ONES OUT OF THE 1.2, AND THEN THEY COULD LET US KNOW FOR THE MOUNTAIN DATED FROM THE CITY'S ALLOCATION OF HOT THAT'S RESERVED FOR THE PART BOARD WHICH ONES THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME OUT OF THE CITY'S ON THAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET? >> THE BUDGET WAS PRESENTED TO US AND APPROVED BY THE TRUSTEES THAT WE ALL APPROVED. NOW WITH CHANGING THE BUDGET, WE'RE UNDERMINING THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE BUDGET BY THESE TRUSTEES. I'LL TELL YOU THEY'RE NOT HAPPY. WHEN THIS DECISION IS MADE AND CHANGES ARE MADE, WE MIGHT BE LOSING SOMETHING. THESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPENDING 5-6 HOURS EVERY MEETING GOING OVER THIS STUFF. THEY'RE UNDERMINING THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE PARK BOARD TO BEGIN WITH. I HATE SPIN AT 35% OF OUR TIME TALKING ABOUT PARK BOARD CRAP. WE'RE NOT RELYING ON THE TRUSTEES THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE. WE'RE STILL GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING TO START MICRO-MANAGING AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT IS MY $0.02 ON THE BUTTON. >> MIKE THAT CONCERNS ME QUITE A BIT, THAT WE HAVE GOOD TRUSTEES OVER THERE. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE WAY THAT WE'VE EVALUATED THIS BUDGET. WOULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOU SAID IF WE MAKE THE CHANGES TO THIS BUDGET, WHICH ONES ARE YOU REFERRING TO MIKE? >> TAKING THE $350,000 AWAY FROM BEACH PATROL, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES TO A FUND BALANCE OR WHATEVER, THE TRUSTEES FEEL AND IT WAS JUST IN THE LAST MEETING ON TUESDAY, THEY FEEL THAT THAT MONEY IS NECESSARY. ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT WERE LISTED ARE ALL PROVED BY THE TRUSTEES. THEY DON'T PUT THEM ON THERE JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WORK ON THEM. THEY DIDN'T PUT THEM UP THERE RANDOMLY TO SEE WHAT WILL STICK AND PUT THEM ON THERE BECAUSE THEY WANTED THEM TO BE APPROVED. >> THE 0.57 IS REALLY THE MAIN ITEM THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THE ONLY OTHER ONE IN THE BUDGET IS THE TOURISM, [02:05:06] CIP, AND SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT I THINK WE WERE GOING TO FUND, THEY PORTION OF IT HAS TO COME OUT OF THE CITY'S FUNDS. I THINK COUNCIL ALWAYS FELT THAT IF FUNDING COMES OUT OF THE CITY DEPOSITS, THEY'RE NOT AGAINST THAT. BUT THAT NEEDS TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. IS IT MAINLY THE 0.57 THAT SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE? >> WELL, YEAH. WHY DON'T WE APPROVE THESE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THERE? EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE CITIES, IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE PARK, COMING FROM HOT TAX THAT'S ALREADY THERE TO SPEND FOR THESE THINGS. >> I UNDERSTAND IT NOW. >> IT'S JUST ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY OVER THE HEAD OF THE PARK BOARD, WHICH WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN ANYWAYS, WE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED WITH ALL THIS. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT COMES FROM. THE LAW SAYS CLEARLY THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] >> IT SAYS WE MAY APPROVE THEIR BUDGET. IT DOESN'T SAY WE MUST. >> IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS? >> IT SAYS WE MAY APPROVE IT. >> IT SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUDGET WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT. >> BUT AS THE BUDGET FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, WE MAY APPROVE IT. >>YOU DON'T LIKE CITY COUNCIL'S OVERSIGHT OR TAX MONEY? >> I GET THAT. I DO. >> NO, LET ME INTERJECT HERE. MIKE, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT IS THE LIAISON DEPART BOARD. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT IN. THAT'S WHERE THE MOTION THIS AFTERNOON IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE 0.57 THAT THE PARK BOARD SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY EVEN THOUGH IT GOES TO FUND BALANCE, THAT BEACH PATROL HAS THAT EXTRA MONEY. SECOND OF ALL, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE COUNCIL APPROVE THE ENTIRE CIP SPECIAL PROJECTS, EVEN THOSE THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MONIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THERE AT THE PARK BOARD AND APPROVING FUNDING OUT OF THE FUNDS HERE AT THE CITY FOR THE REMAINDER OF THOSE. IF THAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS, THAT'S WHAT THIS MOTION IS ABOUT AND BRING THAT FORWARD, SIR, IF YOU FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE. >> YES, SIR. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? DAWN AND SHEILA, HOPEFULLY, YOU'LL GET YOUR LIVES BACK AFTER THIS. I HOPE THE PARK BOARD GETS THEM THROUGH THIS. >> IN A PAPER OR ABOVE. [LAUGHTER] >> AND BRIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE EFFORTS OF YOURS AND DANCE AND ALL OF THE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ON THIS. COUNCIL WE'RE MOVING THE ITEM 3C, [3.C. Update and Discussion of the Status of City Plans Related to Homelessness (B. Maxwell/Brown - 15 min)] WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO HOMELESSNESS. [NOISE] >> 3C UPDATING DISCUSSION OF THE STATUS OF CITY PLANS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS. >> VERY QUICKLY WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE NOT-FOR-PROFITS, BOTH IN A TARGETED, IN A GLOBAL WAY. THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE THAT TELLS US WHERE OUR HOMELESSNESS IS ORIGINATING AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THEY ARE DRILLING DOWN ON THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE JUST DIDN'T LINE UP RIGHT, AND THERE WAS SOME WE THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME AREAS THAT POSSIBLY WERE MISSED AS THEY DID TOO. SO THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE HAVE REALLY GREAT PARTNERS IN THIS. IN THE INTERIM, WE HAVE TAKEN SOME TARGETED EFFORTS AND WORKING IN INSERT HOTSPOTS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED. COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN THE MEETING WITH THE ISSUE OVER AT OUR DAILY BREAD IN THE LUTHERAN CHURCH. WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BROUGHT SOME RESOLVED TO THAT. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS CONTINUING ITS MISSION OF MOVEMENT AND NOT ALLOWING ENCAMPMENT AND PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE SEEN A REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS, BUT WE'VE SEEN AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE ISSUES CAUSED BY HOMELESSNESS TO SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA WERE FAR FROM GETTING IT SOLVED. BUT WE'RE STILL CONTINUING TO MAKE PROGRESS, AND I THINK THE BEST NEWS IS IS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR NOT-FOR-PROFIT PARTNERS TO DO SO. THERE'S BEEN A FEW OTHER HAPPENINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITH THE PDF GETTING THEIR FACILITY ONLINE, AND OUR WORK WITH THE SALVATION ARMY CONTINUES AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SLOTS AND BEDS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE THAT SEEK SHELTER AND QUALIFIED TO BE THERE. SO THERE IS NO MAGIC ONE TO THIS AS WE ALL KNOW, BUT WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO WORK WITH IT AND ENCOURAGE THAT AND NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE AND WE OWE THEM THE COURTESY AND DIGNITY THAT IS DESERVED OF ANYONE, AND THAT IS PARTIALLY AND NOT PARTIALLY. IT'S ENTIRELY WHY WE HAVE INVOLVED OUR COAST TEAM, AND WE'VE ALSO INVOLVE GULF COAST CENTER TO A VERY LARGE DEGREE BECAUSE PART OF THE SOLUTION IN A LOT OF CASES IS GETTING APPROPRIATE MEDICATIONS, THERAPIES AND HELP FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE CATCHING [02:10:03] UP IN OUR NET OF MOVING ALONG HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I AND GULF COAST CENTER HAS BEEN AT THE TABLE WITH AS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AND HAS ALSO BEEN A VERY GOOD PARTNER. >> MAYBE I'D LIKE TO ECHO THE COAST TEAM FOR THE WORK THEY'VE DONE. A SPECIAL SHOUT-OUT TO ASSISTANTSHIP MITCHELL WOULDN'T BE AT THAT MEETING WITH THE CHURCH AND OUR DAILY BREAD, AND ALSO THANK VERSUS OUR DAILY BREAD. THEY THEY'VE STEPPED UP. >> YES, SIR. >> THEY'VE MADE SOME CHANGES AND THEIR PROCESSES I THINK IS IMPROVING THAT SITUATION. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S NO IF THERE WERE A MAGIC BULLET WAY TO USE IT LONG TIME AGO, IT'S PROCESSED AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS IN THIS REGARD. >> I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PULLING THIS TOGETHER, AND I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING SALVATION ARMY, ARE THEY STILL DOING REPAIRS ON THE INSIDE AT ONE TIME, IT WAS LIMITED, AND ARE THEY TAKING FAMILIES NOW? >> THE FAMILIES ACTUALLY GO TO A FACILITY ON THE MAINLAND AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, CHILDREN AND MOTHERS AND THINGS. BUT NOW THE SHELTER WE AS WE UNDERSTAND IT AS IT IS IN FULL OPERATION HERE IN GALVESTON. NOW THERE MAY BE SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, BUT THEY ARE THEY ARE NOT TURNING ANYBODY AWAY. >> BRIAN AND I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE INDIVIDUALS FROM SALVATION ARMY AND WITH THE NOT SURE HIS TITLE, THE GENERAL OR CAPTAIN, IT'S OUT OF HOUSTON. IT'S OVER THIS AREA ABOUT THE SALVATION ARMY. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND CHIEF VALLEY, CAPTAIN ASSISTANT CHIEF MITCHELL, AND ALSO THE COASTAL GROUP HERE FOR A GREAT RESPONSE TO THIS, IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. AS BRIAN MENTIONED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SO POSITIVE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE DEVELOPED WITH THE NON-PROFITS ON THIS, AND THIS IS WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THEM. THEY'RE STILL DOING SURVEYS, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES, SIR. >> AND THE OTHER THING TOO, IS THAT JUST A SHIP TO SHOW PROGRESS IS BEING MADE. I GET A LOT OF THE DISPATCH LOGS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE COAST DISPATCHES ON THE FIRE DISPATCH BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIREFIGHTER IS INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL. WE NOW HAVE A LOT OF THE FOLKS THAT RECOGNIZE THEY'RE IN CRISIS, AND THEY'RE ASKED SPECIFICALLY ASKING TO HAVE COAST COME OUT. THAT IS A HUGE DEAL. IT MAY NOT SOUND LIKE A LOT TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE LISTENING GOOD FOR US. THAT IS A BIG DEAL, AND I HOPE WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO FUND AND EVEN EXPAND OUR COAST PROJECT AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN WILDLY SUCCESSFUL TO THE POINT THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY SEEKING THAT NOW, AND WE ALSO HAVE A VERY GOOD LOG OF FREQUENT FLYERS. I CAN NAME AN ADDRESS THAT WE ALL KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S TRUE, AND THIS WAS DAVID'S DISTRICT. THIS SUBJECT WAS STARTED BROUGHT TO COUNSEL BY COUNCILWOMAN ROB AND COUNCILMAN THE STYLE SKI HAS FOLLOWED UP ON SOME THOUGHTS MARIE. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE MORE SWEEPS ON THE BEACH. WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE CAN BE ON THE BEACH, CARVING ON THE BEACH AND SO FORTH. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HOT FUNDS COULD BE USED FOR HOURS. >> I THINK FUNDING, BUT I THINK THE CHIEF HAS COMMITTED ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN NOT THAT WE KNOW THAT OUR GUYS HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THEIR HANDS. [INAUDIBLE]. >> DOUG'S THAT FABULOUS JOB WITH THIS. I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH. >> I AGREE, AND I THINK YOU GUYS SAID IT'S DEFINITELY BOTH OF YOU SO MUCH BETTER. BUT I JUST WANT TO THERE IS STILL A PROBLEM OUT THERE. >> ENFORCEMENT IS GREAT, BUT GETTING PEOPLE HELP IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. THAT'S TRUE. >> MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE WEALTHY, SOME PEOPLE ARE HAVING ISSUES, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO PAY AS WE FILTERED THROUGH. >> THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THAT JUST REFUSE HELPER DON'T WANT HELP AND WE'LL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO BUILD. OUR GOAL IS TO REALLY TREAT EVERYBODY WITH DIGNITY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPECTING BOTH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES AND ALSO TO DEAL WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUES. >> VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? 3D, PLEASE? GENOME. [3.D. Discussion of an Audit of the Park Board (Robb/Brown - 20 min)] >> 3D, DISCUSSION OF AN AUDIT OF THE PARK BOARD. >> COUNCIL WOMAN ROB, WE WENT A WHOLE ITEM WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT [LAUGHTER]. >> THE ROOT BROUGHT UP HOT TAX. [LAUGHTER]. >> LET ME BEFORE WE START THE DISCUSSION, COUNCILWOMAN ROBBINS, DECIDE THEM TOGETHER. [02:15:03] IN RESPONSE TO THAT, I HAD TALKED WITH OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, DAN BUCKLEY TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDED LIST OF AUDIT TOPICS THAT STAFF FELT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PART BOARD. >> AND THIS WAS SOMETHING WE ALL AGREED UPON WHEN WE DID THE AUDIT OF FOR THAT THE WORD SPORE, WE'RE GRADED DO ONE OF THE PARK BOARD AND I'M JUST PUTTING IT BACK ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING WE AGREED UPON AND TRUSTED AND SUGGESTIONS. >> DAN HAS PUT TOGETHER HIS THOUGHTS ON TOPICS THAT HE FELT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO CONSIDER. >> MORNING. >> MORNING. >> IS IT MORNING? >> SEEMS LIKE AFTER MORNING, THINGS LIKE AFRICAN, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO PASS OUT OR I JUST I CAN PASS THIS OUT. >> FRANKLY, I DO HOPE AND PRAY WE NEVER LIKE THIS CARDBOARD THING IS DONE TODAY BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN SO MUCH TIME. >> WE RECEIVED FROM COUNSELORS GUIDANCE TO ESTABLISH A PROCEDURE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID AT THE WORST BOARD, WHERE THE CITY WOULD GO OUT THROUGH CONTRACT HIRE AN AUDIT FIRM, AND THE AUDIT FIRM WOULD THEN PROCEEDED PERFORM AGREED UPON PROCEDURE WORK CONSISTENT WITH WHAT COUNCIL ADOPTED AS AN AUDIT SCOPE. THE MAYOR CAME TO BRIAN AND ASK THAT WE PULLED TOGETHER A POTENTIAL ITEMS FOR THE SCOPE OF THE AUDIT. WORK WITH SHEILA, WE PREPARED THE LIST WE GRANTED BY THE CITY AUDITOR WHO HAD NO QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. OUR REQUESTS OF COUNCIL WOULD BE JUST TO AUTHORIZE US TO ENGAGE OUR CURRENT FIRM, WHITLEY PENN IS WHO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS TIME INSTEAD OF GOING OUT ON THE STREET FOR SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD THEM UNDER ENGAGEMENT. THE PARK BOARD DID ASK WE'VE TALKED WITH BRYSON LICENSE HERE. I'M SURPRISED AS HE SOUNDED IN DEATH'S BED YESTERDAY, BUT HE ASKED IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL AFTER MARCH. [LAUGHTER] WE'RE CERTAINLY FINE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY URGENCY IN A PROVEN THIS LIST TODAY, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET APPROVAL AT SOME POINT TO GO AHEAD AND ENGAGE WHITLEY PENN WITH A SCOPE TO FOLLOW ON WHAT TYPE OF AUDIT WORK WE DO THERE? >> IT'S ITEM 12C AS AN ACTION ITEM TODAY ON OUR AGENDA, WE CAN DEFER THAT IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS AND CONTEMPLATED BORE, I'D OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED HERE. I KNOW DAN HAD LISTED SOME FURTHER WARS BOARD AND WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO, I THINK FOUR ITEMS, THEN ON THE WARDS. >> WE HAD LIKE 10 AND WE CONSOLIDATED 10 AND BEFORE, BUT WE STILL DID THEM ALL. >> WE'RE DOING LOVELY TO SEE THEM UNDER FOUR HEADINGS. >> I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES ARE INTER FUND TRANSFERS AND THEN THE HOT VERSUS NON HOT COMING AND GOING. >> CAN YOU JUST CALL OUT THE NUMBERS. >> ONE, SEVEN, FOUR. >> BINGO. I WOULD ASK FOR NUMBER 2, JUST BECAUSE ANTOINETTE, WE HAD A GREAT MEETING YESTERDAY WITH KIMBERLY AND TONY AND HER NAME IS SLEEPING, WITH THEIR GRANTS PERSON WHO WAS FANTASTIC. >> KEVIN. >> KEVIN, GOD, I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT. WE ARE EMBARKING ON IT PROCESSES AS ANTOINETTE SAID, ON WORKING WITH THEM ON FUTURE GRANTS FOR EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT WOULD REALLY BE HELPFUL IF WE DO WITH AN AUDITOR'S TAG THAT WE'VE EITHER HAVEN'T DONE IT RIGHT OR WE'VE DONE IT RIGHT, AND HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT GOING FORWARD SO THAT WAY THIS DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE IN FUTURE AUDITS THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF. >> I WOULD ECHO THAT. I ACTUALLY THINK TONY AND ALL, KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING HERE, HE UNDERSTAND THE ACCESS PROCESS. >> THEY'RE GOOD. >> I THINK GROUPS THAT HASN'T BEEN IN COMPLIANCE IT'S COMING INTO COMPLIANCE. IF WE DO AN AUDIT OF THAT AND TALK ABOUT THOSE PROCEDURES, LET'S TAKE A LOOK THE WAY WE'RE DOING AND BE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN THAT ARE GETTING FUNDS FROM BOTH SIDES, AND THEY NEED TO BE [OVERLAPPING] A LITTLE DOUBLE THERE. THE OTHER THING TOO, AS KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEED MONEY THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THIS MONEY. IF WE DO THE DISSERVICE OF DOING IT INCORRECTLY, WE HAVE TO GO BACK, WE HAVE TO CLAW IT BACK, AND IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE MAYBE THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG AND SO LET'S GET IT RIGHT AND THIS WILL HELP US DO THAT. [02:20:02] >> I'VE GOT CIRCLED 1, 2, 4, 7 AND I WOULD PUT 10 IN THAT. >> MAYER, WHAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, IS SOME OF THESE ITEMS SHOULD BE CONDUCTED BY THEIR INTERNAL OR THEIR AUDITOR AS PART OF THEIR FINANCIAL AUDIT. THEY JUST WEREN'T OR WE DON'T KNOW WHATEVER REASON, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS JUST DIDN'T TIE OUT, SO WE WANTED TO CHECK. BUT THOSE MAY BE COVERED BY THEIR NEXT AUDIT WHEN THE AUDITOR COMES BACK AND DOES THEIR FINANCIAL AUDIT. WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK AND ADDRESS THOSE IF IT ISN'T DONE AGAIN, BECAUSE IT GIVES OUR FINANCIAL PEOPLE A SENSE OF COMFORT WHEN THESE THINGS ARE DONE AND WE COULDN'T FIND THEM IN LAST YEAR'S AUDIT. ACTUALLY THE ONES YOU DID NOT PICK OUT ARE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD'VE EXPECTED TO BE INCLUDED IN THEIR FINANCIAL AUDIT THAT WE'RE NOT. >> YES, THOSE ITEMS SHOULD BE PICKED UP THERE. >> THEY SHOULD, ABSOLUTELY SHOULD IN THE FINANCIAL AUDIT. >> I AGREE. I WOULD NOT WANT TO EXPEND ADDITIONAL FUNDS ON SOMETHING THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AS PART OF THEIR NORMAL AUDITING PROCESS. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> GREAT. >> AND COULD YOU THEN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL ON THAT, MIKE. >> WHAT'S THE TIME-FRAME FOR DOING ALL THESE? HOW LONG? >> YES BRYCE ASKED FOR THE START. >> HE DIDN'T. HE ASKED THAT WE DEFERRED UNTIL MARCH. >> IS THIS A SIX MONTHS AUDIT? >> I WOULDN'T EXPECT SO. AGAIN, IT'S AS LONG AS AN AUDIT AS WE WERE WILLING TO PAY THEM TO EXPAND THE RESOURCES. [LAUGHTER] THEY CAN DO IT RAPIDLY WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF RESOURCES. I THINK THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE AS WE WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD SO THAT IT'S NOT INTRUSIVE ON THEM, AND YOU TRY TO GET IT DONE IN PROBABLY 90-120 DAYS, ALL OF IT. >> IS THAT THE ESTIMATE? >> IT WAS. >> NO, I MEAN THE AUDIT. >> ON THE WALLS? YEAH. >> ARE THOSE TRANSACTIONS THE SAME THING? >> BUT THEY WERE CATCHING THEM ON AND OFF TIME AUDIT WISE SO THEY COULD THROW MORE RESOURCES AT IT. THIS IS GOING TO BE WHEN YOU GET IN THERE AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO THEM AS I SHARED WITH THE WARDS WORD, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THEM ALL AT ONE TIME TO OVERWHELM THEM. THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH BRYCE AND HE ASKED US JUST WAIT UNTIL AFTER MARCH BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY, THEIR OWN FINANCIAL AUDIT GOING ON. WE WOULD JUST DO PROPOSE DO THAT, IN FACT, AND YOU WORKED TO SCOPE OUT AND THE TIMELINE WITH THE AUDIT FIRM. >> THE COST? >> WE WOULD INCUR THE COST, THE CITY. >> I KNOW, BUT WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATED COST? >> WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST. WE GET THE SCOPE FROM YOU AND TAKE IT TO THEM AND ASK FOR THAT. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE IS, SO YOU CAN DEVELOP A COST. >> BEFORE GOING TO DEFER THIS, CAN YOU CONSOLIDATE THIS LIST, KIND OF TRIM THIS DOWN? >> SURE THE ONE, TWO. >> ALL STUFF THAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME THINGS WHERE YOU THINK WE [OVERLAPPING] >> NO, THE ONLY REASON THAT THE FINANCIAL ONES ON THERE IS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T COVERED IN THEIR FINANCIAL AUDIT. >> WE'RE GOING TO PICK IT UP NEXT TIME. SO 1, 2, 4, AND 7, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? >> AND 10. >> TEN. WHICH PROBABLY WILL GET COVERED IN THE FINANCIAL AUDIT. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY IT SHOULD. >> IT SHOULD HAVE COVERED IN THE FINANCIAL AUDIT. >> DAN, THAT'S 1, 2, 4, 7, AND 10, IF YOU GO THROUGH THAT AND SEE IF THAT MAY BE PICKED UP IN THEIR AUDITS PAST OR COMING UP FUTURE AND RECONSOLIDATE THIS. >> ONE, TWO, FOUR, AND SEVEN ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE EXPECTATION, IS REVIEW OF THE HOT, REVIEW OF THE FUNDING, THE AGREEMENTS, INTER-FUND TRANSFERS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL FALL OUTSIDE TYPICALLY THE SCOPE OF THEIR REGULAR FINANCIAL AUDIT. THE REST OF THEM ARE FINANCIAL AUDIT ISSUES AND IT SHOULD BE COVERED THROUGH THEIR OWN. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR YOU CAN DO A VOTE ON IT AND SAY COUNCIL WANTS US TO MOVE FORWARD, TRY TO ENGAGE WITH US. >> IS THIS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, CORRECT ME? >> IT IS. [OVERLAPPING] >> BECAUSE DAN IS ONE OF THESE ONES THAT HAS A GRANDCHILD THAT HE'D LIKE TO BE THERE FOR THE CHRISTMAS BUDGET, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL THE QUESTIONS ADDRESSED. >> NOT THAT YOU WOULDN'T THINK HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO BE A GRANDPA [LAUGHTER] >> FROM YOUR COMMENTS, THIS REMOVED 10 THEN AND IT'LL BE 1, 2, 4, 7. >> THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> YES, SIR. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL IF WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT TONIGHT, WE CAN. ACCORDING TO OUR HOT CONTRACT, THOSE ARE TO BE PAID BY THE CITY OF GALVESTON. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3E, PLEASE. [3.E. Discussion of the Utilization of City Marshalls during the Lone Star Motorcycle Rally (Robb/Brown - 15 min)] >> 3E. DISCUSSION OF THE UTILIZATION OF CITY MARKERS DURING THE LONE STAR MOTORCYCLE RALLY. >> YES, MA'AM. >> REALLY THE TWO ITEMS KIND OF TIED TOGETHER. >> YOU WANT JANELLE TO READ THEM BOTH SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM. >> YEAH, READ BOTH BECAUSE I REALLY SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE. [3.F. Discussion of Short Term Rentals, Police response, and information of reporting and enforcement of Short Term Rental rules and regulations - (Robb/Brown - 15 min)] >> 3F? >> YEAH, 3F. >> DISCUSSION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, POLICE RESPONSE, AND INFORMATION OF REPORTING AND ENFORCEMENT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL RULES AND REGULATIONS. >> IT STARTED WITH THE CITY MARSHAL ITEM. DURING THE LONE STAR BIKER RALLY, ALL THE MARSHALS WERE DOWNTOWN. WE HAD EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF ISSUES WITH [02:25:02] SHORT-TERM RENTALS OF WHICH ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY MARSHAL, UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS LITERALLY UNDER POLICE. BUT ALL THE MARSHALS WERE DOWNTOWN. >> WE ACTUALLY CORRECTED THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> THE DISPATCHER GAVE SOME BAD INFORMATION. WE HAD A MARSHAL MUCH WORKING IN YOUR TRUCK TIME, I'M I CORRECT? >> WE DID. >> WELL, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT PEOPLE WERE TOLD, [OVERLAPPING] ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES THAT HAPPENED IN FIVE OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS, WHERE HOUSES WERE RENTED BY PEOPLE ATTENDING THE LONE STAR BIKE RALLY. THEY ALSO BROUGHT AN RV WITH THEM. THEY NOTICED NOBODY WAS AT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, SO THEY PULLED UP ON THE GRASS PLUGGED IN TO THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR. PEOPLE WILL CALL AND THEY SAY, JUST CALL A TOWING. YOU CAN JUST CALL TOWING. THAT SHOULD IT BE A RESPONSE, AND THERE WERE ALSO PARTIES AND WHATNOT. BUT TYING TOGETHER WITH THE NEXT ITEM, WE HAVE THIS RENTAL PRICES STILL HERE. WE HAVE THIS RENTAL HOTLINE. HIS RENTAL HOTLINE SINCE IT'S BEGUN, HAS HAD 130 CAUSE. HUNDRED AND THIRTY? >> WE INSTALLED 160. >> HUNDRED AND SIXTY. LONE STAR BIKE RALLY WEEKEND, SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I PROBABLY HAD 100 CALLS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOME DISCONNECT. THE CALL CENTER ISN'T WORKING. I'M NOT AGAINST THE LONE STAR BIKE RALLY, LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO BALANCE WHEN I'M GETTING CALLS FOR FIVE NEIGHBORS ROUNDING ONE RENTAL AND NOBODY CAN GET ANYBODY TO COME OUT, SUCH AS ON THE LONE STAR BIKE RALLY WEEKEND. >> SHOULDN'T THE POLICE RESPOND? >> REPORT AND SO THEY MAY RESPOND, BUT IT COULD BE AN HOUR. THE FURTHER WEST, THE LONGER IT TAKES. WITH THE CALL CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO RESPONDS, WE KNOW THAT'S NOT WORKING PRICE AND WILL TELL YOU THAT IS NOT WORKING WELL. HOW DO WE FIX THIS PROBLEM? EVERYBODY SAYS SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE GONE ON FLATTEN OUT, BUT IT SURE DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO YOU. >> I CAN TELL YOU FROM OUR SIDE, ROBBIE AND THE CHIEF AND EVERYBODY, WE ARE WORKING TO CONSOLIDATE OR NOT EMERGENCY DISPATCH WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DISPATCH SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND TRY TO UNBURDEN OUR DISPATCHERS THAT ARE LITERARY DEALING WITH LIFE AND DEATH SITUATIONS IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND TRY TO GET THE NON EMERGENCIES BROKEN OUT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME AREA, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BROKEN OUT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO IMPROVE A LOT OF THIS MISCOMMUNICATION DRAMATICALLY BECAUSE IN THE SAME DISPATCHER IS DISPATCHING THE MARSHALS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT WE'RE ASKING A POLICE DISPATCHER TO DISPATCH EVERYBODY, AND THAT'S JUST NOT WORKING. WE NEED TO UNBURDEN THAT. >> PEOPLE, CITIZENS ACTUALLY FEEL GUILTY CALLING THE POLICE BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. NOW, OF COURSE, EVERY ONE OF MY DISTRICTS FIELDS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE, THEY FEEL BAD BURDENING THAT POLICE. HE HAD THE ISSUES ARE HAPPENING AND THE THE CALL CENTER IS NOT WORKING. TO ME THERE'S THIS EXTREME DISCONNECT THAT WE HAVE THE REGISTRATION THEN THE CALL CENTER OVER HERE, BUT THEN WE HAVE ALL THE PEOPLE WHO'VE RESPOND TO THE ISSUES OVER HERE. THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK BETTER. >> WE HAVE A RULE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE INCORPORATED IN SOMEWHERE THAT THE SHORT-TERM OPERATOR IS SUPPOSED TO RESPOND WITHIN. >> ONE HOUR. >> ONE HOUR. >> THEN HAPPENED. >> TRUST ME, I KNOW EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A RULE PROVOKED A REGISTRATION FOR THEM TO OPERATE BASED ON FAILURE TO ADHERE TO THAT REQUIREMENTS. BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY THAT FAILURE WITH THAT REVOCATION. IT JUST COMPLICATES THINGS EVEN MORE. OF COURSE WE HAVE COMPLAINTS TO GO HOME. [02:30:02] >> YEP. >> THE POLICE. >> SECURITY, BUT NEIGHBORHOODS HIGHER. >> ALL OF THESE HAVE TO BE CONSOLIDATED SOMEHOW BECAUSE WITNESS DISPARATE APPROACH ISN'T HEALTHY. >> WELL, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. >> IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SYSTEM OF RULES AND WE NEED THEM. BUT WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IT SUPPORTED BY DATA. THAT DATA IS GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE NEED TO EITHER WE CANNOT ENFORCE HOUSE RULES. A LOT OF THE COMPLAINTS CENTER AROUND VIOLATION OF HOUSE RULES. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S CERTAIN HOUSE RULES THAT WE CAN ENFORCE RIGHT NOW THAT WE WANT TO ENFORCE, THEN YOU NEED TO CODIFY THEM. >> THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO RESPOND IN 24 HOURS. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> NOT 24-HOURS. >> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE WHAT WE FOUND IS A LOT OF TIMES LIKE GARMIN HIGHER, OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND A POLICE OFFICER WILL GET ENGAGED IN ENFORCING A HOUSE RULE AND THEN CALL IN SERVICE POLICE OFFICERS TO BACK THEM UP. THEN BY PROXY, I'VE GOT ON DUTY POLICE OFFICERS TAKEN OFF THE STREET THAT SHOULD BE DOING POLICE WORK. TAKEN OFF THE STREET, BACKING UP A GARDEN, WHICH IS A GPD THAT LEGITIMATELY NEEDS HELP ENFORCING HOUSE RULES. >> THAT GOES BACK TO MY THING. BECAUSE THE DISTRICT 6 WE HAVE WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HIRE SHERIFFS. WE HAVE JAMAICA B2 BACKS US UP. JAMAICA BEACH CAN BACK AS SUB, BUT THEY CAN'T WRITE A TICKET ON A CITY ORDINANCE. I HAVE BEEN TRYING I GOT APPROVAL FROM OUR CHIEF VISITORS SAID, I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS INTERESTED. I KNOW JAMAICA BEACHES INTERESTED. WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD PEOPLE DONATE PRIVATE FUNDS TO DO A CROSS TRAINING WHERE WE INCREASE OUR CONTRACTS OF UNDERSTANDING, WHERE THEY CAN WRITE A CITY BECAUSE IT'S CRAZY BY BRIAN IS SAYING THAT A SHERIFF IS OUT THERE. HE CAN WRITE A TICKET AND A CITY OR DANCE. HE HAS THE COAL PD TO COME IN AND DO THAT. OR JAMAICA BEACH POLICE GUY, WHO LIVES IN [INAUDIBLE]. HE HAS A TROUBLE RENTAL BY HIM. HE CAN'T EVEN THOUGH HE'S A LICENSED PEACE OFFICER, GIVE THEM A TICKET OR DO SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER THE CITY ROLE BECAUSE NR UNDERSTANDING AND DOES NOT COVER THAT IN OUR MOU THAT EXIST THERE SOLELY BACKUP. >> BRIAN, OUR FIRST STEP AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES. IN MY OPINION, OUR FIRST STEP IS WE NEED TO GET WITH THE PART BOARD AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT DATA WE NEED TO COLLECT TO START ENACTING RULES OF ENFORCEMENT THAT HAS TEETH IN IT, AND WE NEED TO DETERMINE AND GET WITH DEPART BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN STRUCTURE IN THEIR SOFTWARE PROGRAM OF COLLECTION OF THAT DATA. >> IT SEEMS TO BE THERE'S A COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN ALL TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S A COUNCIL MEMBER GOT 100 CALLS. WE'VE ONLY HAD 160 YEAR-TO-DATE THAN SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT CALLING THE CALL CENTER? >> WELL, THEY GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL THE CALL CENTER AND NOTHING HAPPENS. >> BUT MORE THAN THAT, WE NEED TO WORK WITH DEPART BOARD TO DETERMINE WHAT DATA THEY NEED TO COLLECT SO THAT IT'LL APPLY WHAT WE DO LEGALLY HERE. PERSONALLY, THIS IS JUST ME. I WOULD ASK COUNCILWOMAN ROB AND COUNCILMAN FRANKLYN, IF THEY COULD WORK WITH YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT DATA THAT IS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND GET LAWS ENACTED THAT WOULD HELP US ENFORCE THIS. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW. THE PERSON WHO HAS THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL HAS TO RESPOND WITHIN AN HOUR. >> GOOD, ISN'T IT? >> I SAID, WELL, THAT AIN'T HAPPENING. >> NO IT NEVER HAS. >> IF YOU WANT TO REGISTER A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING >> CHECK SAID. >> BUT WE NEED TO FIX. >> THE WHY WE CREATE THESE ORDINANCES IF WE DON'T ENFORCE ON THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS ALL THE TIME. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU HAVE SO, THAT'S WHY LONE STAR RALLIES ON HERE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE WAS ONE MARSHALL FOR THE WHOLE REST OF THE ISLAND? [02:35:03] THE ENTIRE REST OF THE ISLANDS. >> USUALLY ALL WE HAVE. >> TO DO. NO USUALLY THERE'S 1.6, THERE'S ONE UNNECESSARILY. >> DURING THE WEEK, BUT NONE OF THE WEEKEND. >> WEEKENDS, THERE'S AT LEAST THREE I MEAN, BENCHES HERE. HOW MANY BAR CODES ARE ON NUMBER. >> THREE [INAUDIBLE]. >> THREE? >> CAN I POINT OUT SOMETHING HERE? WE PASS THESE ORDINANCES OUT LIKE PARKING. WE PUT THEM IN THE ERPR. THEN WE ASK THE PARK BOARD TO DO THE REGISTRATION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO REQUIRE THEM TO BECOME AN EXPERT ON ERPRS, YOUR REGISTRATION. >> THERE IS. I'VE TALKED TO KEVIN GORMAN ABOUT THIS AND I CAN BRING IT FORWARD AT ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S A PRETTY MINOR CHANGE THAT WOULD HELP US ADDRESS THE FACT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL USE IS NOT A PERMITTED USE ACROSS ALL ZONING. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. >> SHE SAID, HEY, LISTEN, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ABOUT WHERE THAT'S A PERMITTED USE AND MAYBE COME BACK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. THAT'S A REALLY LOW HANGING FRUIT THAT I HAVE NOT FORWARD YET, SO I'LL HAVE TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'D ALSO HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE PARK BOARD BECAUSE WHEN THEY'RE REGISTERING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A PARKING. I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. THE PARK BOARD SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ALL THIS EXTRA WORK. THAT'S WHERE OUR BREAKDOWN IS. WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT'S OVER HERE, THIS OVER HERE AND YET HERE, NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING IT HAPPEN. >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DISCONNECT IS. >> TOTALLY DISCONNECTED. >> WE DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH FULLY WITH THE PROCEDURES ON HOW TO EXECUTE THESE ORDINANCES. WE DIDN'T DESIGNATE SOMEONE TO BE IN CHARGE OF ENFORCING OR LOOKING AT THE PARKING ISSUES AND NO ONE DOES. IF YOU DON'T TELL SOMEBODY TO DO IT THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. >> ON OUR JANUARY AGENDA, JOHN, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE USE OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION FEES. THAT'S WHERE THIS WILL PLAY A ROLE ON THAT. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY REALLY POLICY STRUCTURED ON HOW THOSE FUNDS SHOULD BE UTILIZED. >> TO ME, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE SHORT-TERM REGISTRATION AT THE CITY SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT IS THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ORDINANCES. BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE PARKING PLAN OR THE DISCONNECT IS ONCE EVERY YEAR ONES OVER HERE. HOW YOU FIX THAT, WE CAN ALL FIGURE IT OUT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY THE DISCONNECT, AND I THINK YOU SAID, AGAIN, WE JUST HAVEN'T TOLD OR DEVELOPED THE PROCESS ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT THESE POLICIES. >> BUT THEN IT STILL HAS TO BE FOLLOWED UP ON. >> IT DOES HAVE TO BE FOLLOW UP ON THROUGH THE DESIGNATED PROCESS. >> THE PARK BOARD TAKES A NEW REGISTRATION, THEY HAND IN A PARKING PLAN. THE PARKING PLAN THEN HAS TO COME BACK TO THE CITY TO MAKE SURE IT MAKES THE GUIDELINES. THE GUIDELINES, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE OUR ORDINANCE COVERS IT AND WHEN THE PARKING PLAN IS BROKEN AS THE SYSTEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE NOW, THE CAR GOES TO THE PARK BOARD AND HOPEFULLY SOMEONE GOES OUT. BUT IT'S THE MARTIALS OR THE POLICE, I MEAN THERE'S LOTS OF DISCONNECT. >> THERE IS. BUT THE KEY HERE IS WE'VE GOT TO GET THE DATA. DON KEEPS TELLING US HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS HE HAS DATA. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PARK BOARDS COLLECTING THE DATA THAT WE NEED ON ALL THESE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONING, IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN AN HOUR OR WHATEVER. DON CAN WRITE LAWS THAT DIRECT THAT AND HAVE FUNDS TO THAT. >> BUT THEY'RE COLLECTING DATA. POLICE COLLECTING DATA. MAYBE THE MARSHALS ARE COLLECTING DATA. IT'S GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES AND I'M NOT SAYING I HAD A SIMPLE THING. >> I AGREE. YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE DATA. WELL, MARIE, WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WORKING WITH COUNCILMAN LEE AND LET'S BRING BACK TO COUNCIL SOME IDEAS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS ALL THIS. VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3G HAS BEEN DEFERRED, 3H PLEASE. [3.H. Discussion of the Future of Adoue Park (Collins/Brown - 5 min)] [02:40:05] >> 3H. DISCUSSION OF THE FUTURE OF ADOUE PARK. >> THANK YOU. EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE ADOUE PARK IS? >> NO. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT IS BETWEEN WINNIE AND BALL, 11TH AND 12TH. IT APPEARS TO SHARE A BLOCK WITH ROSENBERG ELEMENTARY. AS MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ONE OF THEIR FACILITIES BUILDINGS ACTUALLY SITS HALFWAY ON ADOUE PARK. ADOUE PARK IS USED FOR THEIR PLAYGROUND. BUT THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS ELECTED TO CLOSE THAT SCHOOL AND CONSOLIDATE IT INTO THAT ONE OVER THERE. >> EMILY MORGAN. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW SOMEBODY LIKE THAT. I'M GOING TO SAY ELEMENT. GOOD GUESS [LAUGHTER]. THEY'RE CLOSING THE SCHOOL. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT THE THINKING IS ON THIS BECAUSE EARLY NEXT WEEK I'M GOING TO A PARK BOARD FACILITIES MEETING. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE PARK BOARD FOR [OVERLAPPING] NOW. I'VE MENTIONED PARK BOARD IN THIS, A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A COUPLE OF THE TRUSTEES ABOUT THIS. I THINK BRIAN HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH DR. NEVIS ABOUT THIS. WHAT'S THEIR PLAN FOR THE SCHOOL? THEY DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THE SCHOOL. WE'VE JUST HAD SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT TURNING THE SCHOOL DOWN, LEASING THAT PROPERTY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND EXPANDING ADOUE PARK, ADDING DOG PARK, PICKLEBALL COURTS, WHATEVER IT MADE, MAKING A KIND OF A FULL-SERVICE PARKING. WE HAVE A MODEL FOR THIS. DR. JACKIE COLE DOG RECREATION AREA. THAT'S ACTUALLY ON SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY. WE LEASED THAT FROM THEM. THIS WOULD JUST BE EXPANDING THE PARK. IN THE STANDARD. A LOT OF IT MAYBE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR ANY IDC. BUT IT'S PART AND PARCEL OF A PARK IMPROVEMENT PACKAGE I THINK THAT MR. MICHAELSON I'M WORKING ON, BUT THERE'S NOTHING CONCRETE, NOTHING UNDER WAY. I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHEN YOU HEAR IT AGAIN THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I'LL BE GOING UNLESS I SAY IT'S A GISD. >> TUESDAY NIGHT. >> TUESDAY NIGHT. >> IN DR. NEVIS REACHED OUT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO GO WITH IF YOU WANT ME TO. >> I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU THERE IN. >> BEFORE YOU GUYS READ IT IN THE PAPER, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT OUT HERE PLOTTING A SCHEME WITHOUT YOU KNOWING. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE DAVID'S WITNESS NAME ON A PARK. AM KIDDING [LAUGHTER] >> I'M THINKING ABOUT CALLING IT MURRAY ROB MEMORIAL. >> BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER PUT A PARK HERE IN THE WEST END [LAUGHTER] >> [OVERLAPPING] THIS NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE [LAUGHTER] MY GOSH. >> AS SOON AS YOU GO TO THE GISD BOARD AND DISCUSS THE PARK BOARD ITEMS, THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. >> THIS IS THEIR FACILITIES COMMITTEE THAT WERE VISITED. >> WE'RE VISITING WITH FACILITIES. >> THEY'RE MOVING SCHOOL. THEY'RE GOING TO CLOSE THAT SCHOOL AND MOVE IT. THEY'RE GOING TO SHUT THAT DOWN? >> WE TALKED ABOUT HOW HAS TORN DOWN WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS BECAUSE I'M SORRY, DR. O'NEAL ISN'T HERE. HE WAS HERE EARLIER DISCUSSION BUT HE LEFT. WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. >> WE'RE JUST GOING THERE TO JUST TO SAY WE HAVE INTERESTS, GUYS. LET'S SEE. >> I KNOW JOHN, WE CAN PUT IN ANOTHER POLL AND NAME IT AFTER YOU. >> [LAUGHTER] ANYWAY, I LOVE NEW DEVELOPMENT AS MUCH AS I DO GREEN SPACE, BUT, IS THERE A NEED FOR ANOTHER PARK? OUR PARKS [OVERLAPPING] STAYING AS IT IS. >> CERTAINLY THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NEED FOR A DOG PARK. NEEDS ADDITIONAL PARK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS THE SCHOOL'S PLAYGROUND AND GREEN SPACE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY. >>> DOG PARK. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE DROVE BY THERE YESTERDAY AND THERE'S A DOG RUNNING AROUND OUT THERE. >> IT'S A BIG SPACE RIGHT NOW. >> MIKE, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> I'M GREAT WITH LOOKING AT POSSIBILITIES. I DON'T WANT TO RULE ANYTHING OUT. >> THAT'S WHAT WE DO. >> CAN WE LOOK AT MAYBE JUST GETTING ME ONE PARK? >> WHERE DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER [OVERLAPPING] FOR? >> BECAUSE THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE A PARK. >> I KNOW YOU DON'T IF YOU HAD, I'D BE TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT,. >> BUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS THE SCHOOL RIGHT THERE WITH A BIG OLD FIELD BEHIND THERE THAT NOBODY EVER DOES ANYTHING WITH IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEASE THAT, DON'T LEASE THAT. AT LEAST SOMETHING OVER HERE AND PUT A NICE PARK HERE. >> WE HAD A PARK THERE AND THEN WHEN THINGS STARTED TO FAIL, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT OTHER DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS ON THAT. WE WERE GOING TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND I DON'T THINK THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE TO EXTEND IT UNTIL THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH THAT PROPERTY. >> I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. >> YOUR DISTRICT WOULD SAY DO WHATEVER THE SECOND PUMP STATION. >> TELL THEM TO LIKE THE FIRST PUMP STATION. >> THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN AND AROUND THOSE PUMPS STATIONS TO PROVIDE THOSE. >> THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES IN AROUND ALAMO SCHOOL TO [02:45:02] DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG MIKE IS RIGHT THERE ARE FOUR SQUARE BLOCKS. THAT'S A BIG PARK. >> I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. THE CONVERSATION ON TUESDAY NIGHT IS GOING TO BE FUTURE. [OVERLAPPING] >> DAUGHTERS ARE DANGEROUS. >> DON'T START. >> SPINNING THINGS. I WANT YOU TO. >> I KNOW WHEN WE WERE KIDS IT WAS LIKE EVERYBODY. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT HAS TO BE RUSTY. [LAUGHTER] >> I'M DONE. >> DAVID, YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP US UPDATED ON THAT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT MIKE BOUVIER WOULD LIKE A PART. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SHIELDS PARK FOR SOME YEARS. >> SHIELD PARKS MOVING FORWARD, SLOWLY. >> THAT'S AWESOME. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT DAVID'S PARK IS GOING TO MOVE A WHOLE LOT FASTER SO LET ME JUST QUALIFY THAT. >> SO I HOPE SHIELD PARK IS STILL SOMEWHERE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST. >> IT IS. >> ABOVE HERE. [LAUGHTER] >>THAT'S GREAT, THAT'S OKAY. AS LONG AS I CAN BE ON THE LIST. >> I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOXICS REMEDIATION PROBLEMS AT HAYDU PARK. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK SO. >> RIGHT NOW MOST OF OUR PARKS ARE IN DAVID FINKLEA'S AND JOHN PAUL'S DISTRICTS. >> BUT OF COURSE. >> DAVID FINKLEA'S MAIN PARK AIN'T JUST SITTING ON THAT, THAT'S GISD PROBLEM. >> WE ALSO HAVE [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT WE PAID FOR THE PARK. >> I GOT MCGUIRE, YES. I HAVE A DOG PARK. >> THERE'S A TON OF SPACE IN D6. ALL THE BALL FIELDS ARE OUT THERE, THE DOG RECREATION. [OVERLAPPING] >> I KNOW. >> WE GOT A BRAND NEW $7 MILLION SOCCER [INAUDIBLE] PARK COMING IN. >> LET'S GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE GUYS. >> PLEASE DON'T BE SHOCKED GUYS WHEN YOU SEE IS IN THE PAPERS. >> 3I, PLEASE, MA'AM. [3.I. Discussion of an Interview Policy for the Police Pension Board (Brown -10 min)] >> 3I, DISCUSSION OF AN INTERVIEW POLICY FOR THE POLICE PENSION BOARD. >> COUNCILLOR, I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. WE HAD AN APPOINTMENT FOR THE POLICE PENSION BOARD LAST MEETING OR MEETING BEFORE LAST AND IT WAS MENTIONED, I THINK BY COUNCILMAN COLLINS, THAT WE OUGHT TO INTERVIEW FOR THIS. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT I WANT TO THROW OUT TO COUNCIL SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS AND HOWEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED. A POLICE PENSION BOARD IS A BOARD THAT HAS QUALIFICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THESE QUALIFICATIONS ARE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EXPERIENCE FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS AND ACCOUNTING, OR AUDITING, OR THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE GET VERY FEW APPLICATIONS TO THIS BOARD. NOW, IF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW ON THIS WE CAN DO THAT. IT'S IF WE PUT OUT A CALL FOR PROJECTS ON THIS, A CALL FOR APPLICANTS WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE SIGNING UP ON THEM BEYOND THE POLICE PENSION BOARD, AND NOW WE GOT TO INTERVIEW ALL THESE INDIVIDUALS WHICH I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST. ONE SECOND, EXCUSE ME, MARIE. I TALKED TO DON ABOUT THIS. DON HAS RESEARCHED THIS AND GIVEN US HIS ILLUSTRIOUS LEGAL OPINION. HE SENT ME A MEMO AND DON SAID, WHAT ONE THING WE COULD CONSIDER IS THAT THOSE APPLICATIONS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE MEETING THE QUALIFICATIONS THEN COULD BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL IN A NORMAL APPOINTMENT PROCESS WITHOUT AN INTERVIEW NECESSARILY, AND THOSE APPLICANTS THAT ARE APPLYING THAT DO NOT MEET THE APPLICATIONS COUNCIL COULD INTERVIEW IF THEY WOULD WANT BECAUSE COUNCIL CAN WAIVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS. >> THE PERSON THAT DOESN'T MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS SET OUT IN THE STATUTE CAN BE RECOMMENDED TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHICH RIGHT NOW IS DAN BUCKLEY AND GEOFF GAINER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT APPLICANT MOVING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN IT BECOMES WHETHER THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO MEET WITH THEM AND TALK WITH THEM. >> FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE TWO THINGS HERE. ONE, THAT BOARD HAS TREMENDOUS FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. LITERALLY, OUR POLICE OFFICERS' FUTURES RESIDE WITH THEM. AND THE FUNDING OF THAT HAS MAKER BREAK CONSEQUENCES TO THE CITY, CERTAINLY, AND I THINK EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY IN THIS DISCUSSION. I DON'T WANT ANYONE GETTING APPOINTED AT A MEETING AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND SAY, SORRY, YOU DIDN'T QUALIFY. THAT'S NOT FAIR TO SOMEBODY WHO'S STEPPING UP TO VOLUNTEER. >> MY SUGGESTION BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A SIMPLE, EASY ONE WE JUST EXPAND THE APPLICATION FOR THE PENSION BOARDS THAT HAVE THE REQUIREMENT ON IT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO INTERVIEW ON THAT. >> I DON'T EITHER BUT WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE APPLICANT, IS THAT CORRECT? [02:50:04] >> IT'S CORRECT. >> WE'VE HAD ON THE POLICE PENSION BOARD. >> YES. >> DAVID. >> AND I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS NOT AIMED AT MR. GORDON, I APPRECIATE HIS HIS WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. >> IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE FROM DISTRICT 6. [LAUGHTER] >> ACTUALLY, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE MR. GORDON APPLY FOR THE BOARD. BUT WHAT IS COME UP IS THE FACT AS WE DID APPOINT SOMEBODY, THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS WE MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE MR. GORDON. >> AND MY POINT TO COUNCIL WAS THAT AS YOU WRITE IT AS MAKER BREAK CONSEQUENCES FOR THE POLICE PENSION FUND AND THAT IS A HEAVYWEIGHT ON THE GENERAL FUND, SO WE NEED TO KNOW. SO I'D BE WILLING TO PUT OUT AN APPLICATION PROCESS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STAFF TO VET THIS AND THEN BRING IT FORWARD. ANYBODY WHO QUALIFIES WE CAN CONSIDER BUT I'D REALLY LIKE STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. >> NOT DO INTERVIEWS, RIGHT? >> NO. I'M FINE, WE'RE NOT DOING INTERVIEWS. >> JUST REVIEW THEIR APPLICATIONS, STAFF TO REVIEW THOSE. >> AND WE COULD EXPAND THE APPLICATION. >> BUT BE SURE THAT THE APP SPECIFIES EVERYTHING THAT IS REQUIRED OF AN APP. >> BECAUSE THE INTERVIEWS ARE GOVERNED BY THE ORDINANCE AND IF WE WANTED TO INTERVIEW NOW FOR THIS WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >> I'M OKAY WITH NOT SITTING DOWN WITH THEM. >> SO DAVID, WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, MARIE WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT THE APPLICANT APPLICATIONS COULD BE REVIEWED BY STAFF. >> RIGHT. >> AND THEN THEY COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD FOR CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL? >> CORRECT. >> DAVID, YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, DAVID FINKLEA? >> NO, I'M FINE WITH THAT. AND I KNOW I GOT THIS STARTED WITH A NOMINATION FOR MY DISTRICT AND SO I DID NOT MEAN TO, NOT KNOWING THE INFORMATION. [OVERLAPPING] >> SURE. >> OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS, SO I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING THIS CLEANED UP. >> SOUNDS GOOD. ITEM 3J, PLEASE, MA'AM. [3.J. Discussion of the Hotel Occupancy Tax audits by the City Auditor and contractual arrangements with the Park Board (Brown/D. Buckley - 10 min)] >> 3J, DISCUSSION OF HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AUDITS BY THE CITY AUDITOR AND CONTRACTUAL ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE PARK BOARD. >> COUNCIL, I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA IN CONJUNCTION WITH DAN BUCKLEY. GLENN'S AUDIT DEPARTMENT. GLENN, WOULD YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD TOO, I'M GOING TO LET YOU SIT AT THE TABLE HERE IN CASE THERE'S A DISCUSSION ON THIS OR QUESTIONS. DAN, COME ON UP, AND THEN YOU GOT A HAIRCUT. >> HI GLENN. >> HEY, HOW ARE YOU? >> HI, GLENN. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GLENN'S DEPARTMENT AS YOU MAY KNOW DOES HOT TAX AUDITS. THESE AUDITS ARE DONE AND PAID FOR BY THE PARK BOARD AND THE PARK BOARD ALLOCATES $60,000 A YEAR FOR THESE AUDITS. THAT $60,000, THAT IS COMING FROM THE PARK BOARD, THEIR FUNDING SOURCE IS THE 60,000 FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION FEES. GLENN'S CONTRACT HAS EXPIRED AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR SO HE WAS SHUT DOWN ON THESE CONTRACTS, SHUT DOWN TO CONTINUE THE HOT AUDITS. ITEM 11A ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS TO EXTEND HIS CONTRACT FOR ONE MORE YEAR TO CONTINUE DOING HIS HOT AUDITS FOR UP TO $60,000 TO BE PAID BY THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION FEES. SO IT IS AN ACTION ITEM TO EXTEND SO HE COULD GET BACK INTO DOING THESE HOT AUDITS. IN THIS DISCUSSION AND MY TALKING WITH GLENN, GLENN MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BRING TO COUNCIL. ONE IS, HE FEELS WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER DOING MORE THAN THE $60,000 OF AUDITS. AND NUMBER 2 IF THAT WAS DONE, WHERE DOES THE FUNDING IF THE PARK BOARD IS TO PAY FOR THAT OR IS THAT COMING OUT OF THE SHORT-TERM REGISTRATION FEES IN ADDITION TO THE 60,000? DAN, I THINK YOU HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT AND THEN I THINK DAN, YOU HAD COMMENTS ON THAT. >> IT'S PURELY THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL. ONE THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS THE AUDIT CONTRACT WAS DONE AFTER THE INTERLOCAL WAS INITIATED. IT WAS AN ADDENDUM TO THE INTERLOCAL, THE INTERLOCAL AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED THE HOT CONTRACT NOT THE CONTRACT FOR DELAYING TO DO THE AUDITS, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE HERE TODAY, IS BECAUSE HIS CONTRACT DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED LIKE THE INTERLOCAL DID. SO WE NEED A METHODOLOGY OR AN AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD. THE PARK BOARD HAS TO APPROVE IT, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT. THE PARK BOARD BUDGETED FOR IT BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT GLENN'S AUDIT CONTRACT DID NOT AUTO-RENEW WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO GET IT RENEWED. [02:55:01] >> [OVERLAPPING] YES, WE HAD THE TWO DAVIDS AND THEN MIKE. DAVID. >> [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SAME TIME. PARK BOARD BUDGETED THIS? BECAUSE THIS WAS I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST BEING PAID FOR. >> IT'S BEEN PAID FOR AT THE REGISTRATION FEES. THEY COLLECT THE REGISTRATION FEES AND THEY TOOK 60,000 LAST YEAR FROM REGISTRATION FEES WITH COUNCIL'S APPROVAL BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE DOCUMENTATION. [OVERLAPPING] YES, IT'S ALREADY THERE. >> DAVID FINKLEA. [OVERLAPPING] >> SO THE CONTRACT, OR SORRY, YOU SAID THE INTERLOCAL AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED BUT THE AMENDMENT TO THE INTERLOCAL DIDN'T RENEW, IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? >> THOSE OF US THAT DRAFTED THAT, DID NOT DRAFT THE AUDIT CONTRACT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSOLIDATED OR PAID PART OF, I DON'T GET INTO THE LEGAL EASE OF THINGS BUT YEAH, IT DIDN'T AUTOMATICALLY RENEW THE CONTRACT, IT WAS JUST FOR ONE YEAR >> THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE STATUS OF AN INTERLOCAL. >> YEAH. IT'S EVERGREEN UNTIL WE RENEGOTIATE IT. >> AS SOON AS THE HOT CONTRACT GETS APPROVED, THEN FUNDING GETS IN PLACE, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS IN EARNEST GET ON THE INNER LOCAL. REMEMBER THE INNER LOCAL DEALS WITH THEM MANAGING PARKS FOR US. WHAT THEY DO, THE REVENUE SPLITS, THE FUNDING, ALL OF THAT. THAT'S WHERE THE [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WANT TO GET BEST BUDGET CONTRACT AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON ANOTHER BECAUSE A DAY WITHOUT PARK WAS A DAY WITHOUT LOVE. [LAUGHTER] >> MY QUESTION IS THAT WHERE'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS TO RESIDE? ISN'T IN THE CONTRACT, IS IT IN THE INNER LOCAL? [OVERLAPPING] >> MY OPINION. >> WHAT'S THE CRITICALITY OF ADDRESSING THIS NOW RATHER THAN WITHIN THE INNER LOCAL? I KNOW THE ANSWER TO ME. >> WELL, IT HAS AN EMPLOYEE THAT'S FUNDED. >> THERE WE GO. [LAUGHTER] SORRY. >> BUT NOT ONLY THAT, GLENN HAS RELAYED TO ME EVERY MONTH OR WEEK THAT GOES BY THAT HE'S NOT ACTIVELY DOING THINGS. HE FEELS WE'RE LOSING MONEY IN COLLECTION OF HOT TAX. [OVERLAPPING] THAT INNER LOCAL MAY BE TO US IN JANUARY. IT COULD BE A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT. >> I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING TO START IN EARNEST IN JANUARY. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE THAT A NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT IS GOING TO HIT [OVERLAPPING] >> THIS IS TO GET HIM STARTED UNTIL WE CAN [OVERLAPPING] >> THEN WE EVENTUALLY ROLL THAT INTO THIS. >> YES. >> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> MIKE. >> WHAT DID WE MAKE LAST YEAR IN THE AUDIT OUT OF THE $60,000 THAT YOU SPENT TO DO ALL THOSE AUDITS, HOW MUCH HOT DID WE UNCOVER THAT WAS NOT PAID? >> FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND. >> FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND. >> THAT'S A GOOD ROI. >> WHAT IS THE LAW THAT SAYS THAT WE CAN'T USE HOT TO AUDIT HOT? >> BECAUSE IT'S SPECIFIC YOU CAN'T USE HOT TO AUDIT. >> YOU CAN USE SOME TO COLLECT IT BUT YOU CAN'T USE IT TO AUDIT. >> NOW, I'M GOING TO PLAY THE [OVERLAPPING] >> HOW DO YOU DO THAT RULING? [LAUGHTER] >> JUDGE VISCOSITY HAS RULED. I'M GOING TO PLAY THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON THIS AND GLENN KNOWS BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. HE HAS AN EMPLOYEE OVER THERE THAT'S SPENDING A LOT OF TIME DOING HOT AUDITS. FROM A HOTEL OCCUPANCY ATTACK STANDPOINT DOESN'T BENEFIT THE CITY THAT MUCH. IT BENEFITS THE PARDON BOARD, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. BUT WOULD THAT THIRD EMPLOYEE BE BETTER SERVED DOING SALES TAX AUDITS AND OTHER THINGS. BUT I'M JUST BRINGING THAT OUT LATER. >> I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE YES, A MAJORITY OF HOT GOES TO FUND ACTIVITIES OF THE PARK BOARD, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. WITH THE RESERVES, WITH THE TRICKLE DOWN, WITH THE ARTS PENNY, SO FORTH. THE CITY DOES GAIN A BENEFIT FROM THIS. IT SAYS NOT ALL. >> CITY DOES GET SOME MONIES FROM THE HOT AUDIT. >> THE THE FLIP SIDE IS, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS. YOU SAID A RULE IN PLACE. IF YOU DON'T AUDIT IT, IT'S NOT A RULE VERY LONG. >> YEAH. >> YOU SEE WELL, PARKING FOR AN EXAMPLE. >> OH, YEAH. >> THEY KNOW IN A HURRY THAT WE'RE NOT WRITING PARKING TICKETS UP THERE SO THEY DON'T PAY. THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A CHANCE. IF THE HOTELIERS AND THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATORS KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO AUDIT THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE COMPLIANT. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILLINGLY OR KNOWINGLY VIOLATES THE RULES. >> IT'S THE FULL PREMISE THE IRS OPERATES UNDER [LAUGHTER] >> FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND THERE BECAUSE 60,000 THAT WE ASSESSED FOR CITY PENALTIES THAT COMES INTO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. >> MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON [03:00:02] YOUR DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ROLE ABOUT I WAS GOING TO ASK GLENN, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA THAT SAYS, BUT I'M SURE YOU DO. HOW MUCH MONEY OR YOU'RE GENERATING AN AUDIT OF HOT AND HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU'RE GENERATING FROM THE AUDIT AND SALES TAX? >> YES, SIR. I DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. WHEN WE STOPPED DOING SALES TAX, WE WERE BRINGING IN ABOUT 250,000 A YEAR. BUT WE GOT THAT AREA, THAT SECTOR WE WERE CONCENTRATING ON, THE CONSTRUCTION REMODELING, STRUCTURAL MODEL OF TAX. WHEN WE STARTED FOCUSING ON THAT. FROM THE TIME THAT WE STARTED, THE TIME THAT WE ENDED, IT DOUBLED. AND THEN WE WEREN'T FINDING THAT MUCH MORE. BUT NOW WE'VE BECOME AWARE THAT SINCE WE DIDN'T AUDIT THIS PARTICULAR SECTOR OF SALES TAX ANYMORE, IT'S STARTING TO SEE THAT COMPLIANT. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD SAY WHEN HOT COMES OVER THE CITY FROM THESE AUDITS, IT'S RESTRICTED AS SALES TAX COME OVER THE CITY AND IT'S UNRESTRAINED. >> WE'LL FIND THAT. >> I DIDN'T LIKE TO USE THE WORD STOPPED IN THAT SENTENCE. >> WE'RE NOT DOING SALES. >> OH NO, WE'RE STILL DOING SALES AUDIT. >> YOU SAID WHEN YOU START. >> ONE SECTOR, >> ONE SECTOR OF COMMERCIAL REMODELING, AND THEN THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED GETTING A LITTLE BAD NOW, BUT IT ACTUALLY AMOUNTED TO A MILLION MORE IN SALES TAX IN THAT SECTOR PER YEAR SO WE WERE VERY HAPPY. THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND DOING THESE AUDITS IS TO GET THEM IN COMPLIANCE SO THAT WHEN YOU START DOING MORE AND MORE AUDITS, THERE'S LESS AND LESS TO BE COLLECTED. THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT IT IN COMPLIANCE. >> ON THE SALES TAX SIDE, YOU CAN USE REVENUE FROM THAT TO PAY FOR THE AUDITOR. >> HE DOESN'T DO THE AUDITS. >> YEAH. >> IS THERE A POINT OF NO RETURN HERE? YOU SAY INSTEAD OF 60, YOU WANT TO DO $120,000 IN HOT AUDITS. WHERE'S THE POINT WHERE YOU THROW SO MUCH MONEY AT IT THAT YOU DON'T GET THE RETURN ON? [OVERLAPPING] >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 400 THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT PROBABLY GOING TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE'RE NEARLY DOING 60 OUT OF THE 400. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. NO. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE [OVERLAPPING] >> WE GET 84 LAST YEAR, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SUBMIT THAT. >> BUT THERE'S A BALANCE ON THAT BECAUSE THAT MONEY THAT YOU ARE COLLECTING YOU CAN'T USE SO YOU GOT TO FIND MONEY SOMEPLACE ELSE TO PAY FOR THE AUDITOR? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> TO GO AFTER THE HOT. >> WE DON'T NECESSARILY FEEL IT'S A GOOD USE OF GENERAL FUND TAX DOLLARS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE TAXING THE PEOPLE OF GALVESTON TO CREATE MORE REVENUE FOR TOURISM ACTIVITIES. >> YEAH. >> THE QUESTION IS, WE HAVE AN EXTENSION OF HIS CONTRACT. I'M SORRY MARK. >> THAT'S OKAY. RIGHT NOW THAT'S $60,000 IS ONLY 5% OF WHAT WE COLLECT IN THE FEE. I DID A QUICK THING JUST BASED UPON WHAT WE HAVE. IF WE WENT UP TO THE 10%, THAT WOULD BE YOUR 120,000, 10% OF THAT FEE COST I DON'T- >> JUST KEEP IN MIND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO BE VISITING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER ROBIN AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKLIN ABOUT THIS INCREASING, WE ASSIST THAT MONEY. PART OF IT WAS PATROLS AND IN ENFORCEMENT OF RULES ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND WE HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET BECAUSE WE'RE WAITING ON DATA AND IF WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY BEFORE WE DO, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT. BUT YOU CAN USE HOT ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE. >> NO. >> NO. >> NO. >> NOT UNLESS WE CREATE THERE IS THAT SEAWALL POLICE, WE COULD CREATE THAT. >> THEY'RE USING HOT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ENFORCEMENT. >> YEAH. >> I WOULD THINK THAT'S WHY YOU COULD DO IT. [OVERLAPPING] JUDGE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE BOARD. >> SHORT SHORT-TERM RENTALS PUTS US IN BEDS AND YOU CAN'T USE HOT MONEY TO ENFORCE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL? >> YOU CAN USE IT FOR NORMAL OPERATIONS [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU COULD DO IT FOR SURE. I'VE HAD HOTELIERS ASK ME WHY WE CAN'T DO THIS. >> IF WE CAN USE IT ON THE SEAWALL, WHY CAN'T YOU USE IT ON- >> YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC HOTEL DISTRICT ON A SEAWALL WHERE POLICE SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE WORK ON THE SEAWALL IN THAT DISTRICT AND IT DEALS WITH TOURISM RELATED POLICING. >> I HAVE TROUBLE IMAGINING HOW THE MARSHALS GOING TO RESPOND TO A NOISE COMPLAINT. POLICE WERE ASSIGNED TO A NOISE COMPLAINT AT SOME POINT. >> YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW $60,000 COMES FROM THE REGISTRATION FEE. BUT IF YOU CAN COLLECT MORE MONEY AND USE [OVERLAPPING] [03:05:05] >> COLLECT MORE REGISTRATION FEE? >> I'M SORRY. >> COLLECT MORE REGISTRATION FEE? >> USE MORE OF THE REGISTRATION FEE FOR AUDITING PURPOSES. >> WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. >> YOU WERE GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT MUST FOR SENDING, COULD HOT TAX BE USED TO POLICE SHORT-TERM RENTALS? >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ANY SECTION OF THE HOT TAX STATUTE THAT WILL ALLOW THAT. REMEMBER HOT TAX STATUTE WAS WRITTEN THAT YOUR TRADITIONAL HOTELS RENTALS HAD [INAUDIBLE] IN THE MEANTIME AND STATUTES HAVEN'T CHANGED TO REFLECT THAT. >> I THINK COUNCIL FEELS COMFORTABLE EXTENDING THE CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF AUDITS THAT WE DO? IF SO WE NEED TO DIRECT IN THAT MOTION, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO US NEXT. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MODIFY THIS WHEN TODAY, IS THAT CORRECT, DAN? >> SURE. >> WE CAN MODIFY IT TODAY TO SAY WE WOULD LIKE 120,000 SPENT ON AUDITS AND THAT WOULD COME FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FEES. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE. >> WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THE $60,000, GIVE TIME FOR BRIAN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE NEEDS OUT OF THE FEES. IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEFTOVER, GIVE IT BACK TOO [OVERLAPPING] >> IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ROLLING IT INTO THE INTER LOCAL, THAT SEEMS A VERY REASONABLE APPROACH. >> THAT TOO. >> I WOULD EXPAND ON THAT. NEXT THIS COMING JANUARY'S MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS HOW WE WANT TO UTILIZE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FEE. BRIAN IS GOING TO WAIT FOR US TO GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT SO WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, APPROVE THIS CONTRACT UNTIL WE DISCUSS IT IN THE JANUARY. >> FEE IS GOOD STILL ARE WE COVERED ALL YOUR EXPENSES WITH THE FEES THAT IT TAKES FOR YOU TO AUDIT? [NOISE] >> YES, SIR [INAUDIBLE]. LAST YEAR WE PAID 100% OF ONE AUDITOR. >> BUT LIKE WHEN THEY DO ONE AUDIT AND THE AUDIT COST $600, THAT'S ENOUGH TO COVER THAT AUDIT BECAUSE WASN'T THEIR FEES IN HERE ABOUT THAT? >> SIX HUNDRED AND A THOUSAND. >> THOSE WERE ARBITRARY WHEN THEY WERE ESTABLISHED I THINK WHERE DISCUSSIONS OR GLAND, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT 100% COVERING IT. SOME ARE GOING TO BE LESS, SOME ARE GOING TO BE MORE. YOU GET INTO SOME OF THE HOTEL ONES ARE VERY COMPLICATED. THEY COULD SPEND WAY MORE THAN $1,000, BUT THEY MAYBE DO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES HAVE FAR LESS. ON AVERAGE, HE UTILIZED HIS BUDGET AS ALLOCATED THE 60,000. >> I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION. I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE GIVING THEM THE MONEY AND THEN HE'S STILL MISSING THE POINT. >> JUST KEEP REMINDING YOU BEFORE YOU WERE DEALING WITH A HANDFUL OF HOTELS AND GLENN WAS DEALING WITH THAT NOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH THOUSANDS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND EACH ONE REQUIRES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. WHEREAS WHEN YOU WERE USING ALMOST A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF TIME DEALING WITH ONE HOTEL, THAT BROUGHT IN THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY. CHASING DOLLARS AND HE'S BEEN CHASING TENS AND TWENTIES IN THE HOTEL, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. >> TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IF WE UP THE FEES, THEN IF WE APPLY IT TO 120,000, THAT'S JUST GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF AUDITS THAT HE CAN DO FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. IF HE GLENN HAS ASKED ME TO UP THAT $1,000 AND THAT 600. IF HE UPS THAT AND WE CHARGE A HIGHER FEE, HE'S GOING TO BE DOING LESS AUDITS FOR 120. >> I SEE. >> I GET IT. >> SHE IS INCLUDING ALL SHE CAN DO RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT HER ORDERS WERE AND SHE DID 84, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A LOT, BUT ONE PERSON HERE. IF HER SALARY AND BENEFITS ARE EQUAL TO 87,000. IF WE WANT TO INCREASE IT TO 120,000, WE WOULD TRY TO GET, I THINK COUNCILMAN HAD SAID THIS I CONTRACT PERSON TO DO ADDITIONAL ONE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THAT WAS JUST TO THE 600,000. WAS JUST TO ESTABLISH A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO GET THE MONEY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. >> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH IF COUNCIL APPROVES UPPING THE ABOVE 60,000 BUT KEEPING IN 610,000? >> WE'RE GOING TO DO ALL WE CAN DO. >> THE GLENN STAFF IS A GENERAL FUND ALLOCATION. HE STAFFED FOR HIMSELF AND THEN ONE AUDITOR. THAT'S A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE, $60,000 HE GETS FROM THE FAR CORNER IS A RECOVERY. IT'S AN OFFSET AGAINST HIS BUDGET. HE IS ALREADY FUNDED FOR THE POSITION. THEY'RE RECOVERING $60,000 OF THAT POSITIONS TIME RIGHT NOW. [03:10:03] THE REST IS GENERAL FUND AND IT'S ALREADY BEING PAID FOR BY THE GENERAL FUND. [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S NO LIMIT ON THE WORK HE CAN DO OTHER THAN WHAT THEY CAN PRODUCE AND WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING. [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S CORRECT. >> GO AHEAD, MIKE. >> THE PERSON THAT IS AT FAULT WHEN YOU DO THE AUDIT, IS THERE A FINE THEY HAVE TO PAY BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT? >> THEY DIDN'T RESEARCH THAT. >> YEAH, THERE ABSOLUTELY IS. IF DELINQUENT FOR TWO MONTHS OR MORE, THEN YOU CAN CHARGE THEM THE COST OF THE AUDIT. >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. THEY GET CHARGED FOR IT. >> I'M NOT SURE IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SUE THEM TO DO IT, BUT YES, THERE IS A METHODOLOGY THEY CAN DO THAT. >> THEY DO BALANCE TO IT [LAUGHTER] >> ALSO IN ADDITION TO THE BASE TAX COLLECTORS, I THINK 15% INTEREST AND 15% [INAUDIBLE] >> THE FACT OF MATTER IS THAT AS WE REDO THIS AGREEMENT AND THE INNER LOCAL, THERE'S NO REASON FOR THE PARK BOARD TO EVEN BE INVOLVED IN THE FUNDING OF THIS. THE FUNDING IS GOING TO COME FROM THE REGISTRATION FEE THAT'S AT THE CITY FEE SO COUNCIL CAN ALLOCATE $60,000 TO BE APPLIED TO THE AUDITOR'S EXPENSES TO OFFSET THIS. THERE'S NO REASON TO SEND THE MONEY THERE AND THEN HAVE THEM PAY US. [OVERLAPPING] THIS IS ALL WORK HERE. >> I GOT YOU. IT GET THE CONTRACT APPROVED, THEN DO THE INNER LOCAL WRAP THAT INTO THAT. THEN WHEN WE COME TO BUDGETING SEASON NEXT YEAR, TAKE A LOOK AT, WHAT'S YOUR CAPACITIES WERE AND EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DO ADDITIONAL FTE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> IN ORDER TO SIZE IT, FIND OUT IF YOU CAN CHARGE THEM A FINE AND THEN BE SELF-SUFFICIENT. >> VERY GOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, GLENN. THANK YOU, DAN. >> COUNCIL, IT IS 12:00 PM. [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION] RAY, PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551072, DELIBERATION REGARDING REAL PROPERTY, THE COUNCIL MAY CONVENIENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> WE MAY TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK. >> BY ALL MEANS. TO DISCUSS THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE, OR VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY. WE ARE NOW GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE CAN GET OUR MEAL. >> COUNCIL. >> WERE ON. >> IT IS 1:12 PM. WE HAVE NOW FINISHED OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEM. WE ARE BACK IN OPEN SESSION. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR AGENDA. WE ARE OFFICIALLY ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.