Dec 05, 2023 Planning Commission Workshop

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WORKING ON THIS? NO, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN RESUME.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME. I'LL JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS JOINED US.

OKAY, SO THE FIRST BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE REGULATIONS PROVIDED SOME VERY SIMPLE REGULATIONS SETBACKS TO REFLECT THE PREVAILING SETBACK ON THE

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SUGGESTED MATERIALS, BUILDING MATERIALS.

IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT; IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION.

VERY DETAILED REGULATIONS ABOUT CURB CUTS AND DRIVEWAYS, SOME LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, AND ALSO SOME SPECIFIC SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS. SO THOSE WERE IN PLACE UNTIL 1998.

AND IN 1998 THERE WAS A COMMITTEE, A BROADWAY OVERLAY COMMITTEE THAT WAS DESIGNATED BY COUNCIL.

AND THEY WERE TO STUDY EXISTING ZONING REGULATIONS AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE OF PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH VARIOUS PROVISIONS OF THE EXISTING ZONING REGULATIONS. BUT THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT THAT REALLY MEANT.

SO THAT'S JUST WHAT IS IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THAT ESTABLISHED THIS MAYOR'S COMMITTEE.

BUT THEY THEIR WORK WAS QUITE QUICK.

SO, IN 1999 THERE WAS ADOPTION OF NEW REGULATIONS, SETBACK REGULATIONS WERE VERY PRESCRIPTIVE IN DETAILED THE SAME HEIGHT REQUIREMENT OF 48FT.

THE BUILDING MATERIALS WENT FROM SUGGESTED TO PERMITTED, SO THEY HAD TO BE FOLLOWED.

THE CURB CUT SECTION WAS VERY MUCH SIMPLIFIED.

I'M SORRY. ANYTIME.

EXPLAIN CURB CUTS. CURB CUTS ARE AT DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES, SO ANY TIME THAT THERE'S A REMOVAL OF A CURB SECTION AND THEN AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC CAN ENTER THERE.

OKAY. SO, WHEN IT SAYS SIMPLIFIED WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT WAS VERY, VERY DETAILED IN IN THE 91 BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE ABOUT WHERE YOU WERE ON THE BLOCK.

YOU WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE X NUMBER OF CURB CUTS AND HOW MUCH RADIUS RIGHT DISTANCE FROM THE CORNERS.

BUT ALSO, IF YOU HAD SO MANY LOTS, YOU COULD HAVE MORE CURB CUTS.

OKAY. IT'S VERY DETAILED OKAY.

THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, PRACTICALLY NO INFORMATION, CURB CUTS, A PAGE AND A HALF.

AS A BUREAUCRAT, I FOUND IT CONFUSING.

OKAY, SO THE CURB CUT STUFF GETS MUCH MORE SIMPLIFIED.

THE LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING BECOME MORE FOCUSED ON LANDSCAPING RATHER THAN FENCING.

IN 91, IT WAS VERY FENCING ORIENTED.

ANYTIME THERE WAS PARKING VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, IT SEEMED LIKE PEOPLE WANTED A FENCE TO SCREEN IT RATHER THAN LANDSCAPING.

BUT THEN THIS CHANGES.

IN 99, THE SIGNAGE PROHIBITED ROOF SIGNS AND THEN REQUIRED MONUMENT SIGNS FOR DETACHED SIGNS.

MONUMENT SIGNS TEND TO BE SHORTER, AND THE KIND OF SIGN THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM WITHOUT A POLE.

AND THEN LOTS OF DETAILED REGULATIONS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS AND OPEN SIGNS.

IT DID ALSO PROHIBIT OUTDOOR AMENITIES, THINGS LIKE ICE MACHINES, PAYPHONES, NEWSPAPER MACHINES AND VENDING MACHINES.

AND THIS IS FROM 19TH TO 59TH STREET, 19TH TO 59TH.

OKAY. OH, YES.

YEAH. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT BROADWAY RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THEN IN 1999, THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE WAS REPEALED AND REPLACED.

FOR SOME BUREAUCRATIC REASON, THE REGULATIONS STAYED THE SAME, BUT IT INCLUDED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS NEW COMMISSION CALLED THE BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WHICH WAS A BIG COMMISSION AT SEVEN MEMBERS AND TWO ALTERNATES AND EX-OFFICIO.

THERE WAS REPRESENTATION FROM BUSINESS OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS AND ARCHITECT, ONE PERSON AT LARGE.

IT WAS ONLY AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

IT WASN'T A DECISION-MAKING COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL, ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY STAFF, ESPECIALLY FOR VARIANCE REQUESTS FROM THE BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE REGULATIONS, AND TO PROVIDE EDUCATION AND TO PERIODICALLY REVIEW THE REGULATIONS.

THEY ONLY MET UNTIL 2002, AND THEY WERE DISSOLVED DUE TO THEIR LOW CASELOAD.

THEY HAD A CASELOAD OF 1 TO 2 CASES A YEAR.

SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS THE GROUP TO BE ON IN 2002.

AND THEN IN THE IN THE EARLY 2000S, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL REFINEMENT TO THE BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE.

THEY ESTABLISHED THESE DIFFERENT ZONES AND HAD DIFFERENT REGULATIONS WITHIN THE ZONES.

SO, THE ZONES ARE LIKE 19TH TO 23RD STREET, 23RD TO 27TH, 27TH TO 51ST, AND THEN 51ST TO 59TH, AND ALSO STARTED TO REGULATE LAND USE.

BEFORE THE 2000, LAND USE WAS REGULATED BY THE BASE ZONE OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, AND THEN SO IN

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AND THERE WAS A LIMITATION ON BIG BOX RETAIL.

SO, THINGS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A LARGE RETAIL SHOP LIKE A TARGET OR A WALMART IN THE ZONES FROM 19TH TO 51ST STREET, AND THEN A RESTRICTION ON AUTO RELATED USES. THOSE STANDARDS REMAIN IN PLACE UNTIL 2015, IN WHICH AT TIME WE REPLACE THE ZONING STANDARDS WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AT THAT TIME, THE BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE WAS ELIMINATED, AND THE BROADWAY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMMERCIAL BASE ZONE.

THE REGULATIONS WERE GREATLY SIMPLIFIED.

IT ONLY INCLUDED CURB CUTS, THE PROHIBITION OF VENDING MACHINES AND KIOSKS, BUILDING AND ROOF MATERIALS AND FENCING, AND EVERYTHING.

ALL OTHER ITEMS, LIKE HEIGHT AND SETBACKS, ARE REGULATED THEN BY THE BASE ZONE.

THAT DOESN'T LAST VERY LONG.

AND THEN IN 2015, THERE'S A CITIZENS COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS BROADWAY ISSUES.

WELL, THIS WILL BE A THEME.

CITIZEN COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS BROADWAY ISSUES.

AT THIS TIME. NEW REGULATIONS ARE ADOPTED AND THEY'RE MUCH MORE DETAILED.

AND SO, THEY ARE BUILDING MASSING SCALE AND ORIENTATION.

SO, WHERE BUILDING IS PLACED ON THE SITE, WHERE ITS FRONT IS, HOW BIG IT IS IN RELATION TO OTHER THINGS AROUND IT, ADDRESSES THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODPLAIN REGULATION.

YOUR EXTERIOR RAMPS AND STAIRS HIGHER UP YOUR BUILDING IS LONGER.

STAIRS HAVE TO BE.

IT ENCOURAGES DRY FLOOD PROOFING, WHICH ALLOWS BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED UNDERNEATH THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.

IT SETS MAXIMUM PARKING SPACES.

REQUIREMENTS. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU DRY FLOOD PROOFING? WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? DRY FLOOD PROOFING IS A FORM OF MEETING THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS WITHOUT ELEVATING.

SO, YOU CAN DESIGN A BUILDING.

IF IT'S USED FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL USE, YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL TO BE LOCATED BELOW THE BASE FLOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT CERTIFIED BY AN ENGINEER THAT IT IS FLOOD PROOF.

AND IT'S USUALLY THINGS THAT ARE PHYSICAL BARRIERS THAT ARE INSERTED TO THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AT THE TIME OF AN EXPECTED FLOOD THAT WILL KEEP WATER FROM GOING INSIDE OF IT. OKAY.

AND OF COURSE, ALL THE BUILDINGS PRIOR TO THIS ARE ALL GRANDFATHERED.

CORRECT. SO, WE HAVE A LOT OF GRANDFATHERED BUILDINGS ALONG BROADWAY.

YES, YES. SO, EVERY TIME THE REGULATIONS CHANGE, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS BECOME GRANDFATHERED, NON-CONFORMING, THEY BECOME NON-CONFORMING.

YES. WHICH IS THE SAME WORD.

YEAH. NON-CONFORMING AND GRANDFATHERED ARE THE SAME THING.

OKAY. THAT'S MAXIMUM PARKING SPACE.

REGULATIONS REQUIRE STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, THINGS LIKE IMPROVED SIDEWALKS, MORE LANDSCAPING IN THE PUBLIC REALM, IN THE SIDEWALK AREA REQUIRES WINDOWS AND WINDOW OPENINGS.

AND THEN AGAIN, A RESTRICTION ON AUTO RELATED BUSINESSES.

AUTO RELATED BUSINESSES WITHIN 19TH TO 65TH STREET SHOULD ONLY OPERATE WITHIN AN ENCLOSED STRUCTURE, SO YOU CAN HAVE AN AUTO RELATED USE, WHEREAS BEFORE YOU COULDN'T. BUT THEY HAVE TO BE INSIDE OF A BUILDING.

AND THEN IN 2019, THERE WAS A STATE LAW THAT WAS PASSED THAT DOESN'T ALLOW CITIES TO REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS ANY LONGER.

AND SO, AT THAT TIME, WE HAD TO MAKE A CHANGE TO ELIMINATE THE BUILDING AND ROOFING MATERIALS.

SO, IT USED TO BE THAT METAL BUILDINGS WERE PROHIBITED.

IT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.

SO, YOU CAN DO A NEW METAL BUILDING ALONG BROADWAY.

OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE BROADWAY AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2016.

AND THEY WERE IT WAS TASKED BY COUNCIL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL PERTAINING TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMPREHENSIVE REVITALIZATION STRATEGY FOR BROADWAY BOULEVARD. THEY HIRED A CONSULTANT TO SEEK PUBLIC INPUT AND DEVELOP THE REVITALIZATION STRATEGY.

THEY ADOPTED SOME ADDITIONAL STANDARDS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT ELEVATING THE GRADE OF A BUILDING, A SITE, AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE STREET.

BUT THEN THE CITY, THE COMMITTEE SUNSETTED, AND THE PLAN WAS NOT ADOPTED.

I WAS STAFF TO THAT COMMITTEE, AND THE CONSULTANT REALLY WASN'T A GOOD FIT.

AND IT, I THINK THAT THE PRODUCT, WHICH I'M GOING TO BE SENDING TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR REVIEW IS IT'S A NICE PRODUCT, BUT MAYBE IT WASN'T EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST? $100,000 IN $2,016.

IS THAT LIKE DOG YEARS? I PUT IN A COUPLE OF SLIDES BECAUSE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THESE DIFFERENT THE MOST RECENT DEVELOPMENTS ON BROADWAY, AND THEY LIKE THIS AND THEY LIKE THAT, AND THEY DON'T LIKE THIS.

THEY DON'T LIKE THAT. SO, I JUST WANTED US TO HAVE AN IDEA OF THE FEW MAJOR BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ON BROADWAY IN THE LAST,

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SO, THIS IS THE TACO BELL.

IT WAS BUILT IN 2008, AND IT WAS BUILT UNDER THE BROADWAY OVERLAY STANDARDS.

SO, THE VERY FIRST SET OF STANDARDS FOR BROADWAY.

SO, YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE LANDSCAPING VERSUS FENCING AND SOME OF THE.

YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS NICE LANDSCAPING.

THIS PICTURE ISN'T GREAT, BUT IT DOES HAVE NICE LANDSCAPING ALONG BOTH OF THESE.

THESE STREETS, WHICH YOU REALLY NEED TO NOTE, IS HOW FAR AWAY IT IS FROM THE YES, YES, SET BACK AWAY.

IT'S LIKE WHAT? IT'S LIKE 20FT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOT LINE TO THE BACK OF IT.

RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S THAT IS SET FAR BACK, WAY BACK IN THE BACK OF THE LOT.

YEAH. AND WHAT REALLY WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST IT WHAT YOU REALLY SEE IS THE BACK.

YEAH. OKAY.

SO, THEN WE HAVE FOR EXAMPLE ON THE TACO BELL.

BUT THAT WAS THEIR PLAN.

THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS DIRECTED BY THE CITY THAT YOUR BUILDING HAS TO BE THIS FAR BACK ON THE LOT.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY REGULATIONS AT THAT TIME THAT THAT REQUIRED THAT THAT WILL COME.

OKAY. YEAH. AS THE, AS THE REGULATIONS ON BROADWAY GET, YOU KNOW, MORE DEVELOPED AHEAD OF THE CURVE.

WELL OR THEY WERE BEHIND THE CURVE.

THEY WERE WAITING ON THE CURVE. OKAY.

THEY WERE IN THE CURVE FAR BEHIND.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE NEXT WE GET TO BROADWAY TO MCDONALD'S.

THAT WAS BOTH OF THESE ARE POST OAK PROJECTS.

BOTH OF THEM HAD EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT WERE DAMAGED, AND THESE WERE RECONSTRUCTED.

YEAH, THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS DONE AFTERWARDS AFTER THEY WERE BOTH DONE AFTER IKE.

SO, THEY'RE BOTH DONE UNDER THE SAME SET OF STANDARDS BUILT UNDER THE BROADWAY OVERLAY STANDARDS.

SO, IT'S THE SAME DEAL.

THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE STREET, BUT THAT WAS THEIR CHOICE.

IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT.

WAIT, SO WITH THE TACO BELL WAS UNDER THE BRC AS WELL.

RIGHT. THESE ARE UNDER THE SAME SET OF STANDARDS.

SO, THERE'S ONE WITH THE THEY'RE BOTH WITH THE SAME STANDARDS, BOTH WITH THE SAME STANDARDS.

OH WOW. OKAY. NOW YOU MAY COME TO THIS LATER, BUT WHAT ARE THEIR PARTICULAR RULES AROUND THE DRIVE THRUS IN THESE KINDS OF ESTABLISHMENTS.

YES. YEAH. YEAH, OKAY.

SO NEXT WE HAVE THE JACK IN THE BOX.

THE JACK IN THE BOX IS BUILT IN A VERY SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD IN 2015.

IT WAS BUILT UNDER THE ORIGINAL BROADWAY REGULATIONS BEFORE THEY GOT MORE DEVELOPED BY THAT CITIZENS COMMITTEE.

SO, WHEN THEY HAD BEEN REALLY PARED BACK AND WERE NOT VERY SPECIFIC.

SO, THIS WAS BUILT UNDER THOSE REGULATIONS, BUT WITH A PUD THAT ALLOWED FOR A CURB CUT ON BROADWAY.

SO, IN THE I'M SORRY, THE ONLY THING ON THAT WAS, YES, IT WAS THE ONE THING WAS THE CURB CUT.

WAS IT A PUD OR A? IT WAS A PUD. OH, IT'S 2015 OKAY.

IT'S 2015. SO, WE CAN DO PUDS NOW.

GOT IT. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE SECOND ONE.

THE SECOND ONE. IT WAS A VERY EARLY PUD.

OKAY. SO, THEN WE HAVE ONLY TWO BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED UNDER OUR CURRENT BROADWAY REGULATIONS.

THAT'S THE DOMINO'S.

THAT'S AT 21ST AND BROADWAY.

IT WAS APPROVED IN 2016, BUILT UNDER OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.

AND THE INFORMATION YOU SENT US HERE THAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AND THE COMMERCIAL STANDARDS.

YEAH. OKAY.

AND SO, THEN THE OTHER ONE WE HAVE THAT IS UNDER THESE CURRENT STANDARDS IS OLEANDER.

THIS PICTURE IS A LITTLE BIT OLDER.

IT'S CLOSER TO COMPLETION NOW.

IT WAS APPROVED IN 2020.

IT'S BUILT UNDER OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS WITH A PUD THAT ALLOWED FOR TWO THINGS.

THE HEIGHT, A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 52FT RATHER THAN THE 48FT, AND THEN THE BROADWAY BUILD TO LINE.

SO, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CURRENT REGULATIONS IS THAT THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE BUILT CLOSER TO THE STREET.

SO, THIS IS A TOOL CALLED A BUILD TO LINE.

BUT THEY WANTED TO PUSH IT BACK A LITTLE BIT, NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF STORMWATER RETENTION PLANTERS IN THE RIGHT OF WAYS.

THEY WANTED SOME MORE ROOM, OTHERWISE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT ON THE STREET, WOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT ON THE STREET.

THE DOMINO'S. YES.

RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT ABUTTING THE SIDEWALK.

YEAH. LIKE THIS ONE.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT.

WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE THEORY BEHIND PUTTING IT RIGHT THERE ON THE SIDEWALK TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE AND TO PROVIDE MORE OF A STREET EDGE SO YOU HAVE MORE OF A DEFINED SPACE OF WHERE THE VERSUS AT TACO BELL, WHERE IT'S RIGHT, WHERE IT'S WAY IN THE BACK.

AND SO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY SUBURBAN KIND OF MODEL.

AND SO, ONE OF THE STATED.

YEAH. SO, ONE OF THE GOALS OF THE CURRENT STANDARDS IS TO MAKE BROADWAY MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND TO PROVIDE MORE OF A STRONG EDGE.

SO, AND THERE KIND OF LIES THE PROBLEM.

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YEAH. SO LANDSCAPING IS LET ME OPEN MY STANDARDS.

SO, I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT HERE.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO LANDSCAPE THE SIDEWALK, ISN'T IT? I KNOW. RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH.

BECAUSE I REMEMBER AND THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDER ONE OF THESE PREVIOUS CONFIGURATIONS, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS THAT CENTER RIGHT THERE, I WANT TO SAY ON 35TH AND BROADWAY, THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF NOISE ABOUT THE KINDS OF SHRUBBERY THEY HAD TO PUT ON FACING BROADWAY, BECAUSE THERE WAS PARKING IN FRONT OF THE.

IT WASN'T ONE OF THE AUTO PLACES, BUT IT'S A LITTLE PLACE, A LITTLE STRIP CENTER DOWN THE STREET FROM THERE.

BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF FUSS ABOUT THE KIND OF SHRUBBERY THERE TO BLOCK THE PARKING LOT THAT FACES BROADWAY, BECAUSE THAT STRUCTURE IS ALSO SET BACK.

THERE'S LIKE 1700 BROADWAY.

NO, THIS IS CLOSE TO LIKE 35TH, 36TH.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THIS IS CLOSER IN.

THERE'S AN INSURANCE AND SOMETHING THERE ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

THERE MIGHT BE, IT'S PROBABLY PAST MALLOY'S, I THINK.

BUT YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT OF FUSS ABOUT THE SHRUBBERY AND THE HEIGHT OF THE, OF THE LITTLE STONE BRICK FENCE.

AND THERE'S LIKE 12 PARKING SPACES BEFORE YOU HIT THE, THE BUILDING.

BUILDING? YEAH.

SO, IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED.

WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPING WAS REQUIRED.

SO, WE'D HAVE TO FIND OUT THE DATE AND THEN GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT WAS.

SO, I WAS JUST LOOKING OVER TODAY, THERE ARE NOT ANY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS IN BROADWAY FOR LANDSCAPING.

SO, THEN WE WOULD FALL TO OUR STANDARD LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS ANY TIME WE HAVE PARKING VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, IT HAS TO HAVE A FOUR-FOOT PEDESTRIAN AND PEDESTRIAN LANDSCAPING STRIP THAT'S A SOLID WALL OF NOT SOLID WALL, BUT SOLID PLANTING OF VEGETATION AND THEN TREES EVERY 25FT.

SO, WHAT DOES OLEANDER HAVE TO DO? WELL, BECAUSE THEIR PARKING IS NOT VISIBLE.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.

SO, THE LANDSCAPING TODAY IS SPECIFIC TO SCREENING PARKING FROM THE STREET.

OKAY. SO, IF THEY DO THEIR ALL THEIR PARKING IS STRUCTURED PARKING.

SO, IT'S ALL UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING PARKING LOTS IN THE BACK.

YEAH. SO, IF THEIR PARKING LOTS IN THE BACK THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SCREENED FROM THE STREET.

AND THAT'S FOUR FEET OF WIDTH WITH SHRUBS AND TREES.

OKAY. SO, ARE WE STILL DIVIDED UP IN SECTIONS 19TH TO 23RD? NO LONGER? NO.

NOW ALL THE REGULATIONS APPLY EVENLY ACROSS THE DISTRICT.

SO, IF BISHOP'S PALACE BURNS DOWN AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT UP A NEW DOMINO'S, THEY COULD.

WELL, BISHOP'S PALACE IS IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

IT'LL BE FURTHER IN. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THAT IF BISHOP'S PALACE WAS ON 19TH STREET, THAT THE BISHOP'S PALACE WAS ON 19TH STREET AND BURNED DOWN THEN? YEAH, IT COULD BE THE DOMINOES.

OKAY. HORRIBLE THING. WELL, YOU GOT THE STREET, SO.

YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH.

YEAH. WELL, THERE WAS A DAIRY QUEEN THEN, THE MOODY MANSION.

DAIRY QUEEN? YES. DAIRY QUEEN.

OKAY. AND THEN LAND USE REGULATION.

THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED ALONG BROADWAY USED TO BE REGULATED BY THE BROADWAY OVERLAY ZONE.

THEY'RE CURRENTLY REGULATED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

AND THE STRUCTURE OF THAT HAS CHANGED.

SO, WE HAVE THESE THREE USE CATEGORIES.

PERMITTED USES, LIMITED USES AND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

SO, I PUT IN I CAN'T SEE THAT.

GREAT. BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE PAGE FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARTICLE TWO WHICH HAS THIS LAND USE CHART IN IT.

SO, IT HAS ALL OF THE LAND USES THAT YOU CAN DO IN THE CITY.

AND THEN ALONG THE TOP ARE THE ZONING CATEGORIES.

THE MAJORITY OF BROADWAY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL.

AND SO IT WILL TELL YOU IN THAT COLUMN IF THAT LAND USE IS PERMITTED, IF IT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

THERE'S A P IF IT'S A LIMITED USE, THERE'S AN L AND THERE'S IF IT'S A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THERE'S AN S.

SO, A P IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT.

YOU CAN DO IT. NO SPECIAL APPROVALS NEEDED.

IF IT'S AN L YOU CAN DO IT.

BUT THERE ARE ASSOCIATED LIMITED STANDARDS.

SO, FOR THIS I USED AN EXAMPLE OF GOLF CART SERVICE.

SO, HERE'S GOLF CART SERVICE UNDER COMMERCIAL IT'S AN L.

SO, WE'LL GO TO THE ASSOCIATED STANDARDS AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE.

SO, THERE ARE IN THIS CASE THREE STANDARDS A MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL.

THE USE SHALL BE LOCATED A MINIMUM OF 200FT FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL USE OR ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY, MEASURED AS A RADIUS FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE LIMITED USE.

SO, YOU MIGHT YOU WOULD AUTOMATICALLY THINK WHEN YOU SEE THIS IN THE COLUMN I WE CAN DO GOLF CART SERVICE ALONG BROADWAY.

BUT THEN IT ENDS UP THAT YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THERE'S THIS MINIMUM DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.

SO ALMOST THE ENTIRETY OF BROADWAY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT HERE, BUT IT'S BROADWAY.

IT'S RIGHT ALONG HERE.

IT'S MOSTLY ZONED COMMERCIAL, BUT ALMOST ALWAYS BEHIND IT.

THERE'S RESIDENTIAL.

SO, IN LOOKING AT THE LAND USE TABLE, IT CAN SEEM LIKE THERE THE USE IS ALONG BROADWAY ARE PRETTY PERMISSIVE, BUT IF YOU DELVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER

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AND THEN THERE'S A SCREENING REQUIREMENT AND A STORAGE REQUIREMENT.

IS THERE A SPECIFIC USE ON THIS THERE? THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC USES THAT ARE STILL REQUIRED.

SPECIFIC USES ARE SPECIAL PERMISSIONS FROM CITY COUNCIL.

YOU ALL THEY DON'T COME TO PLANNING.

THEY DO. THEY DO COME TO PLANNING.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN WE HAVEN'T SEEN ONE IN YEARS.

YEAH, YEAH. THEY ARE THE MOST INTENSIVE USES THAT COULD HAVE THE MOST POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACT.

SO, IT'S THINGS LIKE NEW CELL TOWERS, CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES, HOMELESS SHELTERS, LIQUOR STORES, THOSE KINDS OF THOSE KINDS OF USES.

WE SEE ONE FOR THAT CAR WASH THAT WANTED TO TAKE OVER FOR ME, FOR DAIRY QUEEN.

THAT WAS A PUD.

YEAH, THAT WAS A PUD.

NEVER MADE IT. NO, THEY WITHDREW IT.

YEAH. AND THEY WERE DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE DESIGN STANDARDS.

YES. THEY WERE ASKING FOR DEVIATIONS FROM SOME OF THE BROADWAY STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SET THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK. OKAY, SO JUST TO REVIEW WHERE WE ARE, BROADWAY HAS HAD SPECIFIC REGULATIONS SINCE THE 1990S.

SINCE THEN, THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR COMMITTEES AND WE HAVE CONTINUED TO REFINE THE REGULATIONS.

SO, ALL OF THAT WORK, WE'RE CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE BEFORE AND MAKING THE REGULATIONS HOPEFULLY BETTER.

BUT WE KEEP HEARING THE SAME PUBLIC CONCERNS THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY AUTO RELATED USES ON BROADWAY, TOO MANY GAS STATIONS, TOO MANY AUTO PARTS STORES THAT IT SHOULD BE BEAUTIFIED, THAT THERE'S A LACK OF LANDSCAPING, FENCES THAT AREN'T IN GREAT SHAPE, SIGNS, AND ALSO THAT IT'S NOT WALKABLE, THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY CURB CUTS, AND THERE'S TOO MANY TOO MUCH INTERACTION BETWEEN THE AUTOMOBILE AND THE PEDESTRIAN.

LET'S MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S OKAY.

OKAY. AND SO THEN FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH BROADWAY DEVELOPMENT REGULATION.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THESE REGULATIONS FOR 30 YEARS, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING A TON OF IMPROVEMENT.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S DEPENDENT ON PRIVATE REDEVELOPMENT.

THESE REGULATIONS ARE REACTIONARY.

SO, WE'RE NOT GOING OUT AND TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY.

IF YOU'RE COMING TO US AND SAYING, I'M BUILDING A NEW BUILDING, WE'LL TELL YOU HOW TO DO IT.

BUT THERE'S, THERE'S WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED.

SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAST 20 YEARS ON BROADWAY.

WE'VE ONLY HAD THAT HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THAT WE LOOKED AT, FOUR OF WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, NATIONAL CHAIN FAST FOOD PLACES.

SO, IT'S INTERESTING.

YEAH. SO, WE HAVE A FEW NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND THEN SECTIONS OF BROADWAY.

THEY JUST REFLECT THE TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS OF THE TIME THEY WERE DEVELOPED.

YOU KNOW, THE CITY CITIES MOSTLY GROW LIKE A DONUT OUT FROM THE CENTER.

GALVESTON DOESN'T BECAUSE WE'RE AN ISLAND, SO WE GROW WESTWARD.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER PARTS OF THE CITY OR THE EASTERN PARTS WHERE BROADWAY IS QUITE NICE AND QUITE WALKABLE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE EAST END HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT'S REALLY LOVELY.

AND THEN YOU START TO GET, YOU KNOW, NEWER DEVELOPMENT BY THE TIME YOU GET TO 65TH STREET, THAT'S TYPICAL 1960S CAR-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.

SO THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF, OF THE STREET THAT SOME SECTIONS ARE MORE CAR ORIENTED THAN OTHERS.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S A BUREAUCRATIC ISSUE THAT THE BROADWAY STANDARDS ARE HOUSED IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT ADDENDUM.

AND SO, THEY DON'T APPLY TO THOSE SECTIONS OF BROADWAY, NOT ZONED COMMERCIAL.

AND HOW MANY SECTIONS ARE NOT ZONED COMMERCIAL? SO HARD TO SEE HERE.

THIS IS ANYTHING THAT'S THIS LIGHT BROWN IS ZONED URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS KIND OF A MIXED ZONE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

IT'S GREEN IS RESIDENTIAL, AND WE'RE IN THE EAST END HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THEN WE JUMP TO COMMERCIAL.

WE'RE GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL ALMOST THE WHOLE WAY OUT UNTIL WE GET TO A COUPLE OF POCKETS OF THIS GREEN, WHICH IS RESORT RECREATION.

OKAY. AND THEN WAY OUT HERE AT THE EDGE, THERE'S SOME INDUSTRIAL WHICH IS THIS PURPLE AND THE KIND OF BEIGE WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL.

SO, THE CONCERN WILL BASICALLY BE 59TH STREET EAST.

THAT'S TYPICALLY WHERE WE HEAR MOST OF THE CONCERNS.

YES. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE SAME KIND OF AUTO RELATED CONCERNS OUT HERE, WHERE IT'S THE FEEDER ROAD OF A HIGHWAY.

SO YEAH. DO YOU THINK THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS ARE GRANDFATHERED, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MANY LAYERS OF OVER THE YEARS, KEEPS NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM HAPPENING? DO WE SEE RENOVATIONS?

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WE DO. WE DO. SO, I JUST WONDER IF THE GRANDFATHERING IS AT THE CRUX OF WHY WE DON'T SEE ANY NEW STUFF.

I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VACANT LAND.

NO. SO, IT WOULD BE WE'RE NOT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GREENFIELD SITES.

SO, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO TEAR SOMETHING DOWN TO RECONSTRUCT.

AND GALVESTON DOESN'T SEE A LOT OF THAT.

THAT'S TRUE. THE ONLY THING THAT YOU DO SEE THAT WITH IS THE MCDONALD'S, TACO BELL, POPEYES.

YEAH. THEY CAN AFFORD TO THEY CAN AFFORD TO TEAR DOWN AND THEN BUILD IT, AND THEY WANT TO BUILD THEIR NEW PRODUCT OVER.

SO, WE ARE SEEING THAT WITH POPEYES, WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO COME BEFORE US.

YEAH. SO, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS BASICALLY COMMERCIALLY IT'S WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY ACTIVITY COMMERCIALLY THAT IS LOCALLY GENERATED OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.

IT'S NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WE SEE PLENTY OF SMALL MOM AND POPS THAT ARE DOING RENOVATIONS, AND THEY'RE IMPROVING THEIR LOCATIONS, BUT THEY'RE NOT TEARING DOWN AND REBUILDING.

SO, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH STICKING UNDER THE EXISTING GRANDFATHERED CLAUSE OR GRANDFATHERED ZONING THAT THEY THAT THE BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY IN AND DOING RENOVATIONS. YEAH, I SUFFERED DOMINO'S.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE LAST MAJOR NEW BUILD, RIGHT.

YEAH, FOR SURE YEAH.

FAMILY DOLLAR. OH, YEAH.

OH. FAMILY DOLLAR, I FORGOT ABOUT FAMILY DOLLAR.

WAS THAT? I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE. THAT ONE SLIPPED BY ME.

BUT THEY ELEVATED IT. THEY BUILT THAT UP ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD.

OH. WHAT'S YOUR RIGHT? IT'S LIKE THE CROSSFIT GYMS ARE IN EXISTING STRUCTURES.

THEY'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, BAIL BONDS PLACE OVER THERE.

YEAH, YEAH.

SO, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE CITY COUNCIL ASKING US? THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO.

YEAH. THIS IS ALL BACKGROUND.

THIS IS ALL BACKGROUND INFORMATION.

JUST SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'VE COME FROM.

SO, AT OUR NEXT REVIEW SESSION WE'LL STUDY WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY.

SO, THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, A FOUNDATION SO THAT WE CAN START TO LOOK AT THE STANDARDS.

SO, THE COUNCIL WANTS YOU TO LOOK AT THE BROADWAY DESIGN STANDARDS AND LOOK FOR THINGS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE CHANGED AND IMPROVED AND LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES.

SO, WE'LL START TO LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES WHERE THEY CAN BE AND WHERE THEY CAN'T OKAY.

SO, WE NEED TO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT VAPE SHOPS JUST FOR A MINUTE.

[4.B. Discussion Of Direction From City Council To The Planning Commission Regarding Possible Regulations Regarding Vape Shops Island-Wide. (Staff)]

SO IT'S TEN AFTER NOW OKAY.

SO ALSO WHILE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BROADWAY WITH COUNCIL, A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED VAPE SHOPS THAT THIS IS NOT RELATED TO BROADWAY.

THIS IS A SEPARATE TOPIC THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A PROLIFERATION OF VAPE SHOPS AND WOULD ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF REGULATING THEM. SO VAPING IS SIMULATED SMOKING.

A VAPE SHOP IS A RETAIL STORE THAT SPECIALIZES IN SELLING THESE IMPLEMENTS.

AND THERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE OVER HERE.

THEY'RE COMMONLY KNOWN AS VAPES, VAPE PENS AND E-CIGARETTES.

AND THEY ALSO SELL ACCESSORIES.

SO, IT'S A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S FOCUSED ON THESE VAPES.

WE DON'T TRACK THEM.

IT'S, BUT I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH AND FOUND THERE ARE, ACCORDING TO GOOGLE, 12 SHOPS ON THE ISLAND KIND OF CONCENTRATED AROUND 65TH STREET.

STATE LAW REQUIRES A PURCHASER TO BE 21 YEARS OLD OR OLDER, SO IT IS REGULATED LIKE ALCOHOL REGULATION.

THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I COULD FIND.

YEAH. DO THEY HAVE TO WHAT? OKAY. MY SON WAS HAD A VAPE SHOP AT ONE TIME.

HE HAD TOBACCO. OKAY.

WHICH IS THAT WOULD BE THE STATE LICENSE.

AND WHAT OVERSIGHT DO THEY DO TO GET A TOBACCO LICENSE? WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK.

AND I GUESS ALL THAT GOES WITH GETTING ANY KIND OF STATE LICENSE.

SO, THE QUESTION IS, DO VAPE SHOPS HAVE TO HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK WE CAN LOOK INTO AND SEE WHAT THE TOBACCO REGULATION, YOU KNOW.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT ABOUT TOO IS IF YOU WANT, IF WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED A HEALTH HAZARD OR A HEALTH CONCERN.

AND THE GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, INSTEAD OF THE CITY HAVE SOME KIND OF OVERSIGHT ON IT, MAYBE.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.

I DON'T THINK, BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO BAKE, DO YOUR THING.

AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO OPEN A SHOP AND OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO GO, HEY, DO YOU THINK AGAIN, SOMETIMES WE OVERREGULATE THINGS.

WE'RE TOO DEEP IN PEOPLE'S BUSINESS SOMETIMES.

WHICH ONE IS A BUSINESS? AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THE CITY BEING THE BUSINESS OF REGULATING BUSINESSES.

TYPICALLY, NOT A GOOD IDEA.

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AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

IT WOULD KEEP THEM AWAY FROM OUR SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEIR BUSINESS IS THEIR BUSINESS.

I'M YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE ON 61ST STREET THAT WAS OPEN 24 SEVEN THAT DELIVERED.

BUT YOU GOT TO WONDER WHAT THE BUSINESS IS.

IT'S CLOSED.

BUT THAT'S WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF THAT'S BEYOND THAT IS IN A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT IN MY OPINION.

SO, I DON'T KNOW THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS.

BUT I WOULD LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY CHANGE, WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW DO WE TREAT BARS AND LIQUOR STORES.

AND I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT'S SIMILAR TO THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE.

I THINK THAT'S SENSIBLE.

YEAH. WE CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS RETAIL COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS JUST A BUSINESS THAT SELLS THINGS.

IT'S A VERY BROAD CATEGORY AND INCLUDES ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE LISTED FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN.

WHERE DOES IT CURRENTLY FALL UNDER THESE CLASSIFICATIONS? RETAIL. COMMERCIAL. COMMERCIAL.

YEAH. SO, DANIEL LUNSFORD DID A REVIEW OF OTHER TEXAS CITIES AND HOW THEY REGULATE VAPE SHOPS.

SO, HE REVIEWED 30 CITIES, 19 OF WHICH USE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION WE DO.

IT'S RETAIL, COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT VAPE SHOPS.

THERE WERE FOUR THAT LIMITED THAT USE PERMITTED IT AS A LIMITED USE.

AND TYPICAL LIMITATIONS INCLUDE DISTANCES FROM EITHER THE SAME USE, RESIDENTIAL USES, OR SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, HOSPITALS, PARKS.

SO, THE SAME SORT OF THINGS THAT YOU SEE WITH ALCOHOL REGULATION, FOUR OF THEM PERMITTED THEM ONLY WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THAT'S A SPECIAL PERMISSION FROM CITY COUNCIL.

AND THEN THREE HAD A COMBINATION OF METHODS.

SO, THESE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES HAD SOME ZONING DISTRICTS IN WHICH THEY'RE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, SOME THAT REQUIRE AN SUP AND THEN SOME THAT WERE LIMITED USES.

SO, THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES THAT WE CAN PULL FROM IF THE COMMISSION ENDS UP BEING INTERESTED IN DOING IT AS A LIMITED USE WITH A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.

THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

OKAY. SO JUST A COUPLE OF NEXT STEPS.

THE COMMISSION'S HOMEWORK IS TO REVIEW THE BROADWAY REGULATIONS.

THAT'S THE RED DOCUMENT THAT WAS SENT OUT.

AND I'LL SEND I'LL SEND THIS ALL OUT AGAIN.

AND THEN THE ALLOWABLE LAND USES, I'M GOING TO SEND OUT THE BROADWAY AD HOC COMMITTEE PLAN FOR YOU TO LOOK AT.

IT'S VERY DETAILED. IT'S VERY LENGTHY.

BUT I'LL FLAG A COUPLE OF SECTIONS FOR YOU SPECIFICALLY TO LOOK AT AND THEN CONSIDER VAPE STORE REGULATIONS.

SO, I THINK WE INCLUDED DANIEL'S RESEARCH SO YOU CAN CONTINUE LOOKING AT THAT.

OKAY. AND NOW IT IS 315.

SO, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR WE CAN TAKE A LITTLE BREAK BEFORE WE START OKAY.

JUST REALLY QUICK. CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO YOUR GOOGLE MAP THAT HAD THE.

YEAH, BLOW THAT UP A LITTLE BIT.

OH, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN OKAY.

BUT DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE I CAN ANSWER.

WELL, WE WERE TALKING ALL THESE PLACES.

ARE THEY MIXED USE OR ARE THEY ALREADY IN COMMERCIAL RETAIL.

ARE THEY R-1 OR R-2 OR NEAR? NO, THEY. YEAH, THEY MIGHT BE NEAR R-1 OR R-2 BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED IN A COMMERCIAL OR A MIXED-USE ZONE.

SOME ARE IN STRIP CENTERS.

YEAH. I THINK MOST OF THEM ARE CENTERS ESTABLISHED OR, YOU KNOW, RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS.

YEAH. SO, CATHARINE, I GUESS FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE GUIDANCE FROM CITY COUNCIL.

WHAT IS THE UNDERLYING ISSUE THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO LOOK AT? IS IT A NUISANCE ISSUE.

IS IT A HEALTH ISSUE? IS IT A LEGAL ISSUE.

BECAUSE FROM WHAT I SEE, IT'S A IT'S A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS.

NO ONE'S BREAKING THE LAW.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WHAT'S OUR WHAT'S OUR ISSUE? I CAN SEND OUT A LINK TO THE WORKSHOP SO YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS AT THE WORKSHOP.

AND FROM MY RECOLLECTION, RECOLLECTION IT WAS MOSTLY PROLIFERATION AND DISTANCE TO SCHOOLS.

YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN IS WE CAN'T REALLY, I'M IN THE OPINION WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING IF THERE'S A PROLIFERATION.

RIGHT. BUT I THINK WHAT REALLY IS CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF A STIR IS THAT WE DO HAVE ONE THAT'S CLOSE TO A SCHOOL AND THAT AS A CITY THAT PERHAPS WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT FROM CONTINUING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN STOP VAPE SHOPS, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION.

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BARBERSHOP. THERE'S A VAPE SHOP OVER THERE.

WHERE THE.

RIGHT HERE.

WHAT IS THERE? IS THERE A DOLLAR GENERAL THERE BY FAMILY DOLLAR? YEAH. FAMILY DOLLAR. ONE OF THE DOLLAR STORES IS RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. WHERE STUART MAKES THE BEND.

YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT WHERE THE BEND IS.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THEM THERE.

OKAY. OKAY.

SO JUST FOR SCHEDULE WISE THE NEXT MEETING IS DECEMBER 19TH.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WE WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME THAT CLOSE TO CHRISTMAS.

DECEMBER THE 9TH, DECEMBER 19TH IS OUR NEXT.

YEAH. WE HAVE ONE ON THE 19TH.

DO YOU KNOW HOW? WHAT'S OUR AGENDA LOOK LIKE FOR THAT? WE HAVE CASES.

THE AGENDA FOR THE 19TH.

WHAT'S THE AGENDA LIKE FOR THE 19TH? YEAH, WE HAVE MORE THAN A HANDFUL OKAY.

YEAH. SO, OUR NEXT MEETING IS JANUARY 9TH IF THE COMMISSION WISHES TO WORK ON IT ON THE NINTH, WE CAN WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN JANUARY.

SO, IF WE WANT TO START ON THE NINTH OR WE CAN START IN FEBRUARY.

MY THOUGHTS ARE WE JUST NEED TO DO IT.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S PICK THE NINTH.

AND IF IT AS IT GOES FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, IS WE AT LEAST HAVE SOME IDEA WHEN THE NEXT AGENDA, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE.

AND IF WE HAVE ONE THAT HAS A LIGHTER LOAD, THEN CERTAINLY WE'D WANT TO DO IT THEN.

BUT I'D SAY, LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THE NINTH.

THE NINTH IS GOING TO BE PRETTY LIGHT.

THERE'S A DEADLINE FOR THE NINTH TODAY, AND SO FAR, WE DON'T WE MAYBE WE'LL HAVE 1 OR 2.

OKAY. SO, LET'S DO THAT.

IS THAT GOOD WITH EVERYBODY OKAY.

VERY QUICK. THAT'S WHAT STAFF WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY OKAY.

THEN WE'LL ADJOURN THE WORKSHOP.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.