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>> WE'LL CALL THE NOVEMBER 7TH CITY OF GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.

[1. Call Meeting To Order]

WE'VE SIGNED IN ON OUR SIGN-IN SHEET AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.

ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST?

[3. Conflict Of Interest]

SEEING NONE, WE'LL CONTINUE.

WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES TO APPROVE.

[4. Approval Of Minutes]

WE HAVE THE OCTOBER 3RD AND THE OCTOBER 17TH MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES?

>> ON OCTOBER, IS IT 17TH? OCTOBER 17TH. JUST THE CORRECT SPELLING OF THE ATTORNEY'S NAME.

IS IT KNEBEL? GUS KNEBEL?

>> YES.

>> OKAY.

>> WELL, WE DON'T MESS UP GUESSES NOW.

[LAUGHTER] HE MIGHT SHOW UP DOWN HERE.

NOTED, SO WE'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES.

AS WITH THAT CORRECTION.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON A NON-AGENDA ITEM? IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON A NON-AGENDA ITEM, THIS IS YOUR TIME.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

SO WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS ON SOME PLAT ITEMS JUST

[6.A.1. 23P-079 (23011 Lunes) Request For A Minor Plat To Increase The Number Of Lots From One To Two. Property Is Legally Described As Lot 14A, Block 7, Terramar Beach, Section 4 Replat, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Jennifer Grant, High Tide Surveying Property Owner: IHC Advantage, LLC]

LIKE A1 AND A2.

SO THESE ARE JUST PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS ONLY.

THERE WILL BE NO VOTES, SO WE'LL JUST HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE ITEMS. SO 23P-079.

>> 23P-079 IS 23011 LUNES.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR PLAT.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A MINOR PLAT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM 1-2, IN AN R-1 ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPOSED LOTS DO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF AN AREA FOR THE R-1 DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ZBA, GRANTED AT A VARIANCE ON THEIR CASE, 23Z-003 FOR THE PROPOSED CONFIGURATION OF THE LOTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ATTACHED REPLAT SURVEY IN EXHIBIT C. PLEASE NOTE THE PLAT APPROVAL CRITERIA ON PAGE 2 OF THE REPORT AND THIS PLAT WILL BE APPROVED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.

LISTED ON THE REPORT IS 1 AND 2 AND IN STANDARD CONDITIONS 3 AND 4.

NOW WE HAVE SO NOW PHOTOGRAPHS.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE.

THIS IS THE ACTUAL OF PHYSICAL SUBJECT SITE HERE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AND HERE WE HAVE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, EAST, WEST, AND SOUTH, AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, ADRIEL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> CERTAINLY.

>> IT APPEARS THAT WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAT, THERE WERE TWO LOTS, 14 AND 15, AND AT SOME POINT BACK IN TIME THEY WERE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE LOT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR.

>> DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT TOOK PLACE?

>> NOT QUITE SURE WHEN IT TOOK PLACE, BUT YEAH, IT DID GET CONSOLIDATED AS ONE.

>> NOW WITH THIS MINOR PLAT, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO THE WAY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY?

>> BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION, YES.

>> OKAY. DO WE KNOW IF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ENCROACHES ON THE 10 FOOT BUILDING LINE?

>> THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT AT THE TIME OF THE ZBA CASE, IT DID.

HOWEVER, OUR SETBACKS ARE STILL BEING MET.

THE BUILDING LINE TO THE RESTRICTION THAT TYPICALLY IS ENFORCED BY THE SUBDIVISION.

SO OUR SETBACKS ARE STILL BEING OBSERVED.

>> OKAY.

>> THOSE SETBACKS ARE TYPICAL SETBACK FOR R-1?

>> THREE FEET.

>>YES.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THEN WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:33.

IS ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT LOOKS NOT. NOW, I DO WANT TO MAKE A NOTE FOR THE RECORD.

WE DID RECEIVE A COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I'M PRETTY SURE WE DID.

AND JUST WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE RECORD.

IT WAS THIS ITEM 1 NOW WE GOT A COMMENT FROM? SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:34 AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO 23P-080.

[6.A.2. 23P-080 (9102 West Bay Road And Adjacent Vacant Tract) Request For A Minor Plat To Increase The Number Of Lots From Two To Four. Properties Are Legally Described As Abstract 121, Lot 1, 0.589 Acres; And Reserve 1 (0-1), 0.179 Acres, Puesta Del Sol (2007), In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Jordan Alcocer, Tricon Land Surveying Property Owner: BR Puesta Del Sol, LTD]

>> OKAY. THIS IS 9102 WEST BAY ROAD AND ADJACENT VACANT TRACT.

THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE IS REQUESTING A MINOR PLAT IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM TWO LOTS, INCLUDING AN AN UNRESTRICTED RESERVE,

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TO FOUR LOTS IN AN R-1 ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPOSED LOTS MEET OR EXCEED THE REQUIRED MINIMUM LOT STANDARDS AS PRESCRIBED IN LDRS ARTICLE 3(R-1) ADDENDUM.

PLEASE NOTE THE PLAT APPROVAL CRITERIA ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR REPORT.

THIS PLAT WILL BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND SPECIFIC CONDITION.

THERE'S ONLY ONE SPECIFIC CONDITION AND STANDARD CONDITIONS 2 AND 3 WILL APPLY AS WELL.

NOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.

THIS IS THE AERIAL IMAGE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.

THAT CONCLUDES THAT REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, ADRIEL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE, ADRIEL.

ANY IDEA WHAT THAT RESERVE WAS THAT'S BECOME PART OF THIS? YOU JUST SAID IT WAS AN UNRESTRICTED RESERVE. YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?

>> YEAH. SO I LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT WAS FILED AND IT HAD NO LABEL.

IT WASN'T LABELED, SO IT WAS JUST UNRESTRICTED FOR ANY USE.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:36.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM.

>> WHICH ITEM ARE YOU ON?

>> WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER, THIS IS A PLAT, SO IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S 23P-090 AND IT'S AROUND 91ST STREET. I'M SORRY.

>> 682.

>> DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, MA'AM?

>> NO.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

>> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF REAL QUICK?

>> SURE.

>> OR EVERYONE? BECAUSE I HAVE JUST MORE OF A EDUCATIONAL QUESTION ON A CASE THAT IS SIMILAR TO THIS.

SO THIS PLAT HAS A BUILDING LINE ON IT? WHEN YOU REPLAT THIS PROPERTY, THE BUILDING LINE WILL BE REMOVED?

>> YEAH. BECAUSE AT THIS POINT HERE, WHENEVER THERE'S TWO OR MORE LOTS IT'S CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION.

DIVISION OF TWO OR MORE LOTS IS CONSIDERED A SUBDIVISION.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LAYING OUT A NEW SUBDIVISION, YOU PRETTY MUCH CREATE YOUR RULES.

THAT BUILDING LINE COULD BE REMOVED AT THIS POINT.

>> SO THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUTES THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THE BUILDING LINE IS THAT YOU ARE TAKING THE TWO LOTS AND SUBDIVIDING IT? I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE HAD A CASE RECENTLY WHERE THEY WANTED TO REMOVE A BUILT LINE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY BUT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> YEAH. TYPICALLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE WILL SAY THAT FOR AMENDING PLATS YOU CAN BASICALLY REMOVE COVENANTS OR RESTRICTIONS AND A BUILDING LINE WILL TYPICALLY BE A COVENANT OR A RESTRICTION.

HOWEVER, THIS IS A REPLAT OF MORE THAN TWO LOTS.

SO THEREFORE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ALSO SAYS THAT TWO OR MORE BASICALLY CONSTITUTED SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE BASICALLY LAYING OUT YOUR NEW RULES IN ESSENCE.

>> BUT THE CITY'S SETBACKS WILL STILL BE, OH, THERE'S STILL GOING TO COMPLY WITH IT.

>> DEFINITELY, YES.

>> BUT THE ONES THAT WERE.

>> PREVIOUSLY PLATTED WOULD BE REMOVED, YES.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

MY QUESTION REALLY WAS MORE EDUCATIONAL BECAUSE THERE'S A CASE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT RECENTLY THAT HAD A BUILDING LINE ON IT.

I SEE THERE'S BUILDING ON THIS AND JUST ASK A MORE EDUCATIONAL QUESTION.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T THINK IT WAS A FORMAL CASE THAT'S BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> IT IS NOT.

>> SO IT'S JUST AN ISSUE THAT THE COUNCILMAN AND SOME STAFF MEMBERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> YES.

>> UNDERSTOOD.

>> STILL ON THE DARK.[LAUGHTER]

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON.

[7.A.1. 23P-077 (1918 31st Street) Request For Designation As A Galveston Landmark. The Property Is Legally Described As Abstract 628 M.B. Menard Survey, Lot 2 Dawson Subdivision, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Kimberly Graves Property Owner: Kimberly Graves]

7A.1 23P-077. [NOISE]

>> SO THIS IS A LANDMARK DESIGNATION REQUESTS ON 1918, 31ST STREET.

THERE ARE 20 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, ONE OF THOSE RETURNED THAT ONE WAS IN FAVOR.

SO THIS IS THE CHARLES AND PAULINE EISENFIELDER TENANT HOUSE.

ORIGINALLY FROM BERLIN, GERMANY.

CHARLES EISENFIELDER EMIGRATED TO GALVESTON WITH HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS JUST FOUR YEARS OLD.

IN JANUARY 1897 HE MARRIED PAULINA ELIZABETH FREDERICKS, WHO WAS ALSO FROM GERMANY.

HAVING ARRIVED IN GALVESTON IN 1883, HE FIRST WORKED AS A CLERK AT A CORNER STORE AT 22ND AND CHURCH BEFORE WORKING FOR A WHOLESALE GRAIN FEED BUSINESS COMPANY AND EVENTUALLY STARTING HIS OWN COMPANY OF A SIMILAR NATURE, WHICH IS LOCATED AT 2115 STRAND.

HE ALSO MANAGED THE SAND CRABS,

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WHICH IS GALVESTON IS LOCAL BASEBALL TEAM AT THE TIME AND WAS PRESIDENT MANAGER OF THE SURF BATH HOUSE BUILT IN 1909.

HE WAS A MEMBER OF THE WOODMAN OF THE WORLD AND AMONG HIS OTHER VENTURES ALSO OWNED SOME TENANT PROPERTIES.

AMONG THOSE WAS THREE HOUSES, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE WERE ALL THE EISENFIELDER'S TENANT PROPERTIES.

HIS HOME WAS ACROSS THE STREET AT 3102 AVENUE P AND A HALF.

THE FIRST TWO HOUSES WERE BUILT IN 1908.

THE HOUSE THAT'S UP FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION WAS BUILT IN 1950 AND ACCORDING TO INSURANCE RECORDS.

AFTER EISENFIELDER'S DEATH IN 1937, HIS WIDOW REMAINED IN THEIR HOME AND MAINTAINED THE RENTAL PROPERTIES.

AFTER HER PASSING, HER NIECE AND HER NIECE'S HUSBAND INHERITED ALL THE HOMES AND THEY THEMSELVES LIVED IN THE EISENFIELDER HOME UNTIL 1967.

THE CHARLES AND PAULINE EISENFIELDER TENANT HOUSE RETAINS A GOOD DEAL OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY THIS AND IT'S ASSOCIATION WITH GALVESTON'S HISTORY OF IMMIGRATION, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE TRADITIONAL TENANT RENTAL PROPERTIES IN GALVESTON'S MAIN GROWTH PHASE JUSTIFYING INCLUSION AS A HISTORICAL LANDMARK.

PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES FOR NEW LANDMARKS.

LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST AT THEIR NOVEMBER 6TH MEETING OF COURSE CITY COUNCIL HAS A FINAL DECISION REGARDING THE REQUEST AND THEY WILL HEAR THAT AT THE DECEMBER 14TH MEETING.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH STANDARD CONDITION ONE, THE STAFF REPORT AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

YOU CAN JUST SEE ON EITHER SIDE THE TWO OTHER TENANT PROPERTY EISENFIELDERS BUILT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY THAT NORTH TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.

THE WEST HOUSE BEING THE EISENFIELDER'S, A HOUSE WHICH OF COURSE STILL STANDS AND THIS INCLUDES STAFF REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, DANIEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IF NOT WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 03:42.

IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

>> I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVED 23P-077.

>> SECOND.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND ON 23P-077.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES, SIR.

>> WELL JUST YOU KNOW HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

IF WE SEE THIS COME UP HERE'S SOMETHING YOU'D THINK THAT THE OWNER WOULD BE WANTING TO COME AND PRESENT TO US.

BUT SADLY I GUESS THEY HAD OTHER PLANS.

>> THE APPLICANT INDICATED TO US THAT UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAD A PRIOR COMMITMENTS THAT CANNOT BE POSTPONED.

>> UNDERSTAND THAT TYPICALLY THEY ATTEND LANDMARK AND OR PLANNING AND THEN THEY'RE STILL GOING TO MORE THAN LIKELY COME TO YOUR CITY COUNCIL.

>> [LAUGHTER] RIGHT

>> THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU, STAN.

>> I JUST WANTED TO ASK THEM A QUESTION.

>> [LAUGHTER] ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

MOTION PASSES.

SO WE'VE GOT A 7B23P-081.

[7.B.1. 23P-081 (12210 Stewart Road) Request For A Planned Unit Development (PUD) Overlay District For “Public Utility Facility, Neighborhood”. Property Is Legally Described As Portion Of Lots 292, 305, 306, 309 And 310 And Adjacent Right-Of-Way, Trimble And Lindsey Section 2; In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Jerry Crouch, BHA – Hutchison & Associates Property Owner: CenterPoint Energy, Inc. ]

>> THIS IS 12210 STUART ROAD, THERE WERE 24 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT. NONE RETURNED.

IN THIS CASE THE REQUEST IS TO INCORPORATE A PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT TO A R1 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT FOR THE PURPOSES OF EXPANDING THE EXISTING PUBLIC UTILITY FACILITY NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE.

THE INTENT OF THE PUD REQUEST IS TO DEVIATE FROM THE ONE ACRE MINIMUM SIDE AREA STIPULATED IN SECTION 2.356 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

THE REQUESTED DEVIATION IS FROM ONE ACRE TO FIVE ACRES.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED NORTH OF STUART ROAD AND WEST OF 10 MILE ROAD AND IT'S COMPRISED OF 24.88 ACRES.

PLEASE NOTE THE PUD DETAILS AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PAGE 3 OF YOUR REPORT.

IN THIS CASE THAT FINDS THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOW CONTRARY TO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE 2011 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTS THE GALVESTON'S ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS A PORTION OF THIS SITE IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AS AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUESTS BE APPROVED WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, ONE THROUGH FOUR AND STANDARD CONDITIONS FIVE THROUGH SEVEN.

NOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP, ZONING MAP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SHOWING THE PORTION THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR THIS REQUEST AND PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH,

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SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST, AND THAT CONCLUDES THE HOUSE REPORT.

>> THANK YOU ANDREW. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE ANDREW.

SO WOULD THERE BE A PLAT REQUIRED FOR THIS? I MEAN IT WILL BE HEARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO BE APPROVED AS A PAD.

IS THERE PLANNING REQUIRED FOR PADS?

>> NO SUBDIVISION OF LAND HAS TAKEN PLACE.

>> SO THERE'S NO SUBDIVISIONS? SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THERE'S NOT?

>> CORRECT.

>> SO DID WE ASK THESE GUYS IF THEY WANTED TO FIX THE ZONING? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT WHEN WE DID THE LDRS AND THAT WAS PROBABLY ZONE PD AND GOT PHONE IN THE R1 MIX.

I'M GOING TO PREMISE THIS WITH I WANT MY LIGHTS TO WORK OUT THERE.

[LAUGHTER] I DON'T WANT THESE GUYS HAVING TO SHOW UP AND GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN AND THEY HAVE MORE PROPERTY.

SO REALLY THEY'RE JUST GETTING A PAD FOR THEIR LAY DOWN YARD.

SO IF THEY NEED TO EXPAND THEIR WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? NOT TRANSFER STATION.

>> [OVERLAPPING] SUBSTATION.

>> THEY HAVE A BIG ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION THERE.

THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK.

WELL I GUESS IF IT'S ONLY MORE THAN ONE ACRE, IS THAT IS THAT THE CATCH ALL?

>> AS Y'ALL MAY RECALL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S FAIRLY NEW, THE ONE ACRE STIPULATION AND HAS PROBABLY CAME TO YOU GUYS AROUND APRIL OR SO I WANT TO SAY.

THAT'S WHEN THE ONE-ACRE WAS ADDED TO THE RULES, TO THE REGULATIONS.

BUT I MEAN, ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHAT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH TODAY'S REGULATIONS.

>> SO DID WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THEM CHANGING THE ZONING, BECAUSE IF YOU WENT R2, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME SEE US FOR ANYTHING.

THEY JUST MAKE MY LIGHT SWITCHES WORK.

>> [LAUGHTER] FOR SURE. I'M NOT SURE AS FAR AS IF WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

I WASN'T THE CASE MANAGER ON THIS ONE IT WAS CATHERINE'S CASE.

BUT HOWEVER I WILL SAY THAT THE PREVIOUS ZONING WAS 1F1, WHICH WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO R1 TODAY.

>> IT WAS AN R1. OKAY.

>> IT WAS 1F1 THEN.

SO NOW IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO R1. YES.

>> SO DON I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION.

WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR US AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO GET THIS DONE YESTERDAY.

BUT WOULD IT BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR US TO SAY, ''HEY, LOOK WE'RE RUNNING THE TRAPS ON THIS FOR YOU BUT YOUR FIX FOR YOUR 24 ACRES OUT THERE IS TO DO A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST.'' AND THEN THAT WAY IF THEY NEED SOMETHING I GUESS IT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO DO THAT.

BUT I'D SURE LIKE TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO THIS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT.

>> I THINK THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE POWERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DIRECT STAFF TO MAYBE POSSIBLY CHANGE THE ZONING.

SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER.

WE CAN PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

>> WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO OR BE A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT?

>> I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE POWER TO DIRECT STAFF TO CHANGE ZONING.

>> I GOT YOU, AND THAT WOULD FIX THEIR PROBLEM.

>> WELL LET'S BE CLEAR.

WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH FIXING ANY ISSUES OF THE APPLICANT.

THE APPLICANT HAS MADE A REQUEST AND THAT IS WHAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD TODAY.

I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PLANNING STAFF IS THAT IF THERE ARE SOME I HATE TO USE THE WORD NUANCES, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S COMING TO MY MIND RIGHT NOW.

TO HELP FACILITATE THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN BUILDING THEN STAFF CAN HEAR YOUR COMMENTS AND MAYBE LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

>> RIGHT.

>> BUT TO CLARIFY, YOU DO HAVE A CASE THAT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY.

>> UNDERSTOOD.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE ON.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT IS ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE SO THEY WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S WHY THIS DEVELOPMENT IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN FACED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE ACRE AS STIPULATED IN TODAY'S REGULATIONS AND IF THIS WAS APPROVED, OBVIOUSLY, CONTINUE WITH THE REST OF THE FOUR ACRES TOTALING UP TO FIVE.

>> RIGHT. BECAUSE IF THEY USE THIS AS A LAY DOWN YARD AND THEN THEY DON'T USE IT.

THEIR PAD COULD BECOME DONE.

MAKE SURE WE LET THEM KNOW THAT HEY MAKE SURE YOU KEEP SOMETHING OUT THERE.

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I WANT MY LIGHTS TO STAY ON.

[LAUGHTER] THE LAST THING I WANT IS THE POWER COMPANY HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES.

>> GIVE US SOME TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE IN THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL IN THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND THE STANDARD CONDITIONS.

[OVERLAPPING].

>> I MEAN I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO CALL THEM UP AND GO HEY.

[OVERLAPPING] I'M NOT GOING TO CALL ANYBODY.

I JUST NOTICED THIS AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE-

>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PERMIT IN THE SYSTEM ALREADY JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW.

WE HAVE A PERMIT THE SYSTEM NOW FOR THE ONE ACRE.

>> SO THIS WOULD MEAN THAT THIS [OVERLAPPING].

>> SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR ONE-ACRE FIELD, THEY JUST CAN'T GET THIS DONE?

>> CORRECT.

>> OKAY.

>> BUT THE REST THERE ARE THERE ARE [OVERLAPPING].

>> THE ADDITIONAL FOUR THERE ON IT. [OVERLAPPING].

>> OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AT 3:50.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM.

COME FORWARD. IF YOU DON'T MIND TELL US YOUR NAME AND SIGN-IN FOR US.

>> MARY GORDON AND I OWN PROPERTY RIGHT NEAR THAT AREA AND I WOULD EXTEND THIS SO I CAN FIGURE OUT EXACTLY ON STUART ROAD WHERE WE ARE.

THIS DIAGRAM YOU SEE NOW DOESN'T GIVE ME ENOUGH INFORMATION FIGURING OUT WHERE EXACTLY I AM, OR WHERE MY PROPERTY IS.

THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A SUBDIVISION

>> MA'AM SO JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.

WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN TELL US YOUR CONCERNS.

UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD LOVE TO SIT HERE AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

ADRIEL WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO SO AFTER THE MEETING BUT IF YOU WOULD HEAR YOUR CONCERNS, UNFORTUNATELY, WE CAN'T, YES MA'AM.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> STOP THE CLOCK ON THE CITIZEN WHO IS SPEAKING, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE ADMIN HAS A REPRESENTATIVE WHO'S HERE AND THAT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER HER QUESTION IF HE GOES FIRST.

>> YOU'RE THE APPLICANT?

>> YEAH.

>> OKAY. WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MA'AM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. I'M GLAD YOU CAME.

>> ME TOO.

>> MY NAME IS JERRY GAYNOR.

JERRY CROUCH WAS LISTED ON THE APPLICATION, BUT HE WAS IN ANOTHER MEETING.

I'M HERE, IF YOU DON'T MIND I'LL STEP OVER TO THE DRAWING AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING.

>> KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU DO THAT.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, BUT IF YOU'D POINT A FEW THINGS OUT TO US, I GUESS THAT'S FINE, BUT WHEN YOU COME BACK, WE'LL NEED TO CLARIFY THAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. I'LL TALK LOUDLY.

THE EXISTING SUBSTATION IS HERE AND I WANT YOU TO SEE THIS SUBSTATION IS HERE AND OUR FIVE ACRES IS RIGHT HERE, RIGHT ON STUART.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY ONLY GOING TO BE DOING FOUR ACRES AT THIS POINT.

IT'LL STILL BE THE FIVE THAT WILL BE IN THE POD.

BUT WE HAVE ABOUT ONE ACRE THAT WINDS UP IN WETLANDS.

THEY'RE GOING TO STAY OUT OF THAT ONE ACRE OF WETLAND.

AS FAR AS THEM EVER DOING ANYTHING MORE WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT TOO MUCH OF A CONCERN BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS VERY LOW.

THEY'VE HAD THIS TRACK IS 26 ACRES SINCE 1960S.

THE CITY PUT IN A WATER TOWER OUT THERE, I BELIEVE BUT I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE DOING MUCH ELSE WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME.

>> OKAY. NO PLANS FOR ANY SUBDIVISION?

>> NO.

>> OKAY.

>> NO, AND THEY'RE NOT IN THAT BUSINESS.

>> UNDERSTOOD SO THE APPLICANT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SAID, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THE POINT AND SO THIS IS GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO AN IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE SUBSTATION THAT'S THERE?

>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IS IT GOING TO THE ENTRANCE? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AN ENTRANCE.

IS THE ENTRANCE GOING TO BE ON 10 MILE OR IS IT GOING TO BE ON STUART ROAD OR BOTH?

>> THEY WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON 10 MILE, BUT THAT'S BEEN MIXED BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS.

>> THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE ON STUART ROAD.

ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, SIR.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS THE LAST CASE ON THE AGENDA SO SIR YOU WANT TO HANG ON A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, YOU CAN DO IT RIGHT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS [INAUDIBLE] SAY SOMETHING?

>> I HAVE PROPERTY THAT MAY GET LANDLOCKED WITH THAT,

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BUT I GUESS I DO NOT HAVE A VOICE.

>> DID YOU WANT TO FINISH YOUR COMMENT ON THE RECORD?

>> WELL, I'M JUST SAYING YOU GUYS ARE MAKING [INAUDIBLE].

>> MA'AM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE COME FORWARD BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO.

>> WHEN IT COMES TO STUART ROAD I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT IS BUT I CAN GET THE LETTER TO.

>> OKAY WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND TELL YOU THAT THE LAND THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS IMMEDIATELY WEST AND ADJACENT TO THE SUBSTATION.

THEY OWN THE PROPERTY THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY, THINK OF THE SUBSTATION, JUST GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

THEY OWN 25, 26 ACRES THERE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND REALLY GETTING OUT OF MY LANE HERE IS THAT THIS IS FOR A LAY-DOWN YARD WHERE THEY WOULD COME AND LAY DOWN EQUIPMENT, PARK EQUIPMENT, POLES, THAT KIND OF STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D BE LAND-LOCKED BECAUSE ALL THAT IS ADJACENT TO THEM AND IT'S BETWEEN WHERE THE GUY HAS THE BOAT YARD.

THIS IS BETWEEN THE BOATYARD AND THE SUBSTATION IS WHERE IT IS. DOES THAT HELP YOU?

>> POSSIBLY DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THAT LITTLE PUB PLACE IS WHERE YOU STEP RIGHT ACROSS?

>> NO, MA'AM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAST CASE.

WE DO WANT TO TRY AND HELP YOU.

HE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE HEAR YOU.

>> I HAVE A CONCERN, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

>> WHAT WAS THAT?

>> SHE SAID SHE HAS A CONCERN.

>> YES, MA'AM. EXACTLY WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN? JUST FOR THE RECORD SO WE KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS.

>> THEY'VE GOT FOUR OTHER ACRES.

IS THIS LIKE PUTTING A CRACK IN THE DAM ON WHAT THEY DO OUT THERE?

>> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.

>> YEAH, IT WOULD BE FOR THE FOUR ACRES THOUGH, TOTAL OF FIVE, BUT NOW IT'S REALLY FOUR TO BE USED FOR THE LAYDOWN YARD.

THIS IS 10 MILE ROAD.

THIS IS STUART, THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS IS SITTING HERE AND SO THE LAYDOWN YARD IS GOING TO BE HERE.

>> MA'AM, IF YOU WOULD I DON'T.

ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:57 AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR ACTION.

THIS IS 23P-081.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 23P-081 WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS 23P-081 PASSES.

IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? SEEING NONE WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.