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          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT'S 3:30. 
          [1. Call Meeting To Order]
WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE TUESDAY, OCTOBER 3RD, CITY GALVESTON PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. 
          WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS WE WANT TO ADJUST ON OUR AGENDA. 
          NUMBER 1 IS WE HAVE THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR AND I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE 17TH. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, CATHERINE? YES. I'D LIKE TO DO THAT AND NOBODY HAS PROBLEM WITH THAT, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT DONE. 
          THEN WE HAVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT WHERE ITEM NUMBER E1, WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BEACH ACCESS AND DUNE PROTECTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THAT PRIOR TO OUR MEETINGS. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL DEFER THAT. 
          THESE TEXTS MEANT AND THE DEFERRALS WILL REQUIRE A MOTION AND A VOTE, BUT I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. 
          THEN ITEM E2 MR. GARTNER IS ILL, SO HE'D ASKED FOR A DEFERRAL ON THAT. 
          THEN AND THEN THE DISCUSSION ITEM, WE CAN DEFER THAT TO OUR NEXT MEETING TOO, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A DEFERRAL. 
          DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THE DISCUSSION ITEM? NO. I WILL NEED A MOTION TO DEFER ITEMS E1 AND E2. 
          >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DEFER. 
          DO DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY OR CAN WE DO INDIVIDUAL VOTE? I MOVE THAT WE DEFER ITEM E1, CASE 23 PA-009 TEXT AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 29 TO OCTOBER 17TH MEETING. 
          >> I SECOND. 
          >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEFER ITEM E1. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DEFER ITEM NUMBER E2, CASE 23ZA-004 IN TO THE OCTOBER 17TH MEETING. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. WE'VE GOT THOSE DEFERRED. 
          WE'LL DEFER THAT OTHER DEALS. 
          ALL THAT BEING DONE, WE'LL MOVE TO OUR FIRST CASE 23P-021. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. HOLD ON A SECOND. I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
          [LAUGHTER] I TELL YOU WHAT, WE HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA, SO I'M GLAD ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE HERE, BUT IT IS A LONG AGENDA FOR US, SO WE'VE TAKEN ATTENDANCE BY SIGNING IN. 
          ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? 
          [3. Conflict Of Interest]
          >> YES. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> MY CONFLICT OF INTEREST [INAUDIBLE] ITS THE CHANGE FROM THE UN TO THE COMMERCIAL. 
          >> THAT'S GOING TO BE ON ITEM B1, CORRECT? THAT'S ON THE C WALL. 
          >> THAT'S CASE 23P072. 
          >> YOUR CONFLICTS NOTED. 
          DONNA, IF SHE HAS A CONFLICT, DOES SHE NEED TO SIGN ANYTHING ON THAT? 
          >> SHE NEED TO FILL OUT A FORM. I THINK I HAVE IT HERE FOR YOU. 
          >> WE CAN GET THAT DONE WHILE WE GO. 
          >> WE'LL GET YOU THE FORM. 
          YEAH. I THINK YOU FILL IT OUT ONLINE NOW. WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. JUST WHEN THE CASE IS BEEN HEARD, WE NEED TO STEP OFF THE VIDEO. 
          >> ANY OTHER CONFLICTS? BEING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO DEFER ITEM 4, ITEM 5 IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          [5. Approval Of Minutes]
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE MINUTES? BEING NONE, WE'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          >> I'LL JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S BOTH SETS, AUGUST 22 AND SEPTEMBER 19TH. 
          >> MA'AM. 
          >> BOTH SETS OF MINUTES, AUGUST 22ND AND SEPTEMBER. 
          >> IT IS FOR BOTH SETS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO PROVE BOTH SETS. 
          >> THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL CORRECTION ON AUGUST 22ND TO BE SUBMITTED. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. WE'LL APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. VERY GOOD. 
          >> INTRODUCTION. 
          >> WE DO HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER HERE, SO I'LL GIVING HIM A CHANCE TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF. 
          >> HI, MY NAME IS ANTHONY. OH, THERE'S WORK TO DO. 
          >> PUSH THAT ON RIGHT HERE. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANTHONY RIOS. 
          I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE IN GALVESTON, A GRADUATE OF BALL HIGH SCHOOL IN 1980. 
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I LIVE HERE IN DISTRICT 2, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE SERVING ON THIS COMMISSION, SO HI. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, ANTHONY. 1980. YOU'RE ALMOST AS OLD AS I AM. MOVING ON. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO TO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM, ITEM 23P- PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          MAN, I NEED TO SLOW DOWN HERE A LITTLE BIT. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> YOU SAID THAT EVEN THOUGH THOSE TWO ITEMS HAVE BEEN DIFFERED, YOU COULD STILL MAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON IT. 
          >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          >> I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A FULL AUDIENCE AND SOME FOLKS HERE WHO HAVE JUST COME FOR THAT. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, DONNA. 
          WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THESE ARE FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. HOWEVER, WE DID MOVE SOME ITEMS AND DEFER THEM, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEACH ACCESS OR THE THE CHANGE TO THE LDR. 
          >> IT WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR PERMANENT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES. 
          >> IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE. 
          DOES ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM THAT IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT? 
          >> OR ANY OTHER TOPIC THAT'S ON ITEM. 
          >> YES. 
          GOOD FISHING REPORTS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME. 
          ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THAT. 
          NOW CAN I GO TO THE FIRST ITEM? ARE WE READY? 23P-021, COLLINS. 
          [7.A.1. 23P-021 (23126 Gulf Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit For The Demolition And Reconstruction Of A New Single-Family Dwelling. Property Is Legally Described As Abstract 121, Page 12, Lot 11, Terramar Beach Section 5, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Dennie Teer, Coastal Cottage Homes, LLC Property Owner: Anthony Gullo]
          >> DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THIS IS A REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. 
          THE ADDRESS IS 26126 GOLF DRIVE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 121, PAGE 12, LOT 11, TARA MOORE BEACH, SECTION 5, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN TARA MOORE BEACH SUBDIVISION, SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          A BEACH IN DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ERODING AT A RATE OF 1-2 FEET PER YEAR. 
          FIRST, WE HAVE A FARMING BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND IT'S POSITIONED RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          NEXT. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE SURVEYS, PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, AND PHOTOS THAT STAFF HAS PREPARED, WE HAVE A SLIDE UP HERE ON THE CITY OF GALVESTON EXEMPTION REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE BEACH DUNE PROTECTION AND BEACH ACCESS PLAN HAS THREE EXEMPTION REQUIREMENTS. 
          THIS ONE PERTAINS TO THIS PROJECT, AS YOU CAN SEE IT, FOR STRUCTURES THAT WERE IN PLACE BEFORE THE DUNE PROTECTION PLAN WENT INTO PLACE. 
          THE THREE BULLET POINTS AT THE BOTTOM OF WHAT WE EVALUATED FOR EXEMPTION REQUEST FOR THIS PROJECT, THE SEAWARD DECK IS BEING ACTUALLY REDUCED. 
          BEING MOVED BACK FARTHER AWAY FROM THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE. 
          STRUCTURE WAS NOT ABANDONED AND THE STRUCTURE HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED BY THE CITY. 
          NEXT. NOW, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS. 
          THE FIRST WE HAVE HERE IS THE CURRENT SURVEY AND LOCATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES. 
          YOU CAN SEE IT IS ROUGHLY ONE FOOT FROM THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE. 
          NEXT. THIS IS A JOIN SURVEY OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN MOVED BACK ABOUT FOUR-AND-A-HALF FEET FROM THE NORTH TOE OF THE DUNE. 
          THE NEXT SLIDES WE HAVE ARE THE PROPOSED PROJECT CONSTRUCTION. NEXT. 
          I KNOW WE HAVE FOUR PHOTOS OF THE SIDE LOOKING WEST, LOOKING EAST, LOOKING NORTH. 
          THEN THIS IS UNDER THE CURRENT STRUCTURE LOOKING SOUTH TOWARD TOWARD THE DUNE. 
          THIS CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU. KARL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? 
          >> KARL, YOU AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS PROJECTS GOT 
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SLAB NOTED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS, AND YOU EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED SINCE IT'S IN THE GLO LETTER, CORRECT? 
          >> CORRECT. YES, MA'AM. YESTERDAY AFTER WE TALKED, WE CONTACTED THE AGENT AND THEY SAID, YES, IT'S GOING TO BE AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S JUST GOING TO BE BARE GROUND UNDER IT, NO CONCRETE SLAB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          MOST OF THEM JUST COPY AND PASTE EXISTING PLANS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          BUT WE DID CLARIFY THAT AND WE WILL INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION IN OUR ACTION LETTER IF APPROVED. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. 
          >> NO, GO AHEAD. 
          >> I HAVE A COUPLE. THIS CASE IS A LITTLE UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S THE DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE BUILT PRIOR TO THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN. 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >>EVEN THOUGH THE HOUSES ABOUT SIX FEET AWAY FROM THE NORTH TOW CORRECT, THEY ARE GRANTED AN EXEMPTION FOR THAT. 
          >> THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE EXEMPTION. 
          YOU STILL AUTHORIZE THE EXEMPTION AND APPROVAL, BUT THEY MEET ALL THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THAT EXEMPTION. 
          REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE FOOTPRINT, IT HASN'T BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED OR ABANDONED. 
          >> BUT IT IS AN EXEMPTION, THEY ARE SIX-FOOT FROM THE DUNE IN LIEU OF WHAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE 25 FEET. 
          THAT'S WHAT GETS THEM A PASS IN REGARDS TO THAT, CORRECT? 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> NEXT QUESTION. 
          >> SURE. 
          >> IS THERE ANY IMPROVEMENT TO THE PRIVATE DRIVE THAT'S COMING UP TO THE HOME OR DOES THAT FALL UNDER? 
          >> THEY BLEW THEIR PLANS, SO THEY ARE STILL GOING TO JUST USE THE CURRENT DRIVE. 
          >> THE CURRENT DRIVER, OKAY. 
          >> THERE WAS NO PLANS FOR IMPROVING IT, FIBERCRETE, CONCRETE, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT IS JUST CURRENT DRIVE AND IT'D BE USING THE EXISTING WHAT'S UNDERNEATH. 
          >> FOOTPRINT. 
          >> IN THE HOUSE. YES, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THEN, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CASE 343. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD? 
          >> DEFINITELY. 
          >> ANY TOUR COASTAL COTTAGE HOMES, AND THANKS FOR YOU-ALL'S TIME. 
          >> CERTAINLY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? 
          >> ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US? 
          >> EXCUSE ME. THE HOUSE BEING BUILT AS OLD AS IT IS IS GOING TO BE MORE DETRIMENTAL IF WE DON'T BUILD A NEW ONE BECAUSE, BOB, BUILDING THE NEW, WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE THE PILINGS ALMOST DOUBLE THEY'RE EIGHTS. 
          NOW WE'RE GOING TO 12S AND WE'RE GOING TO RAISE IT UP AT LEAST EIGHT FEET HIGHER THAN WHAT IT IS, AND THE FOOTPRINT SMALLER. 
          I THINK EVERYTHING IS MORE BENEFICIAL THAN DETRIMENTAL AS FAR AS IF SOME WERE TO COME IN AND WATER WISE, IT COULD DO A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE HOUSES BEHIND JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO LOW NOW. 
          BOB, MOVING BACK FROM THE DUNE THAT'S JUST GOING TO HELP THAT. 
          WHENEVER WE DO IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE DRIVEWAY OR UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. 
          THEY MAY PUT SOME PAVER RATHER, STAIRS OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'LL ALL BE SEMI PENETRABLE AND NOTHING TO THE DRIVEWAY. 
          IT'S JUST GOING TO STAY AS ITS SHELL NOW, AND IT WORKS FINE. 
          >> THE STAIR LANE LOOKS LIKE, IS IT THE DCA? IS THAT RIGHT? 
          >> [BACKGROUND] I JUST ANNOUNCED TO THE ROOM THAT 204, WHICH IS THE ROOM DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR, HAS BEEN SET UP FOR AN OVERFLOW ROOM. 
          IF YOU'RE STANDING AND YOU'D LIKE SOME PLACE TO SIT DOWN, THEN YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO NEXT DOOR. 
          THE MEETING IS BEING DISPLAYED IN THERE ON THE TELEVISION SCREENS. 
          YOU CAN JUST GO OUT THIS DOOR, TURN LEFT BY THE ELEVATOR, AND THAT'S ROOM 204. 
          >> THANK YOU, DANNY. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 23P-021 WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AND THE GLO. 
          >> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 23P-021 AS WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. 
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WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE, THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT'S UNANIMOUS, 23P-021 PASSES. 
          MOVING ON, 
          [7.A.2. 23P-060 (11365 Beachside Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit For Construction Of A Single-Family Dwelling. Property Is Legally Described As Lot 634, Beachside Village, Section 6 (2022), Abstract 121, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Kevin Peterson Property Owner: Debbie Walcott]
23P-060. 
          >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. 
          THE ADDRESS IS 11365, BEACHSIDE DRIVE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT 634 BEACHSIDE VILLAGE, SECTION 6, 2022, ABSTRACT 121, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS. 
          SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE BEACHSIDE VILLAGE SUBDIVISION. 
          SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH, EAST, AND WEST TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          A BEACH IN DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC PSYCHOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ERODING AT A RATE OF EIGHT FEET PER YEAR. 
          WE PREPARED PHOTOS IN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR YOUR VIEW. 
          FIRST WE HAVE A FIRM IN BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND IT'S POSITIONED RELATIVE TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          NEXT, WE HAVE A SLIDE SHOWING THE SURVEY. 
          THIS IS SHOWING THE STRUCTURE FROM THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE, NORTH OF THE DUNE 26.5. 
          NEXT, WE HAVE SOME SLIDES OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. 
          FINALLY, WE HAVE THREE PHOTOS OF THE SITE LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING NORTH, AND THEN LOOKING NORTH FROM THE DANA BEACH. 
          THIS CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU, KARL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MEAN NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON 23P-060 AT 03:48. 
          ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON AS THE APPLICANT PRESENT, JUST LIKE TO COME FORWARD. 
          STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN THERE FOR US, PLEASE. 
          >> NAME'S KEVIN PETERSON. 
          ORIGINALLY FROM CLEAR LAKE. 
          THE STRUCTURE I'M BUILDING HERE IS GONNA BE LIKE A FAMILY GET-TOGETHER HOUSE FOR JUST FOR THE FAMILY RELIGIOUS. 
          I'M ACTUALLY BUILT ONE OVER AND BEACH-SIDE ALREADY. 
          BOUGHT THE LIGHT OVER THERE TO PUT THAT STRUCTURE OUT. 
          THAT'S JUST A FAMILY THING. 
          >> VERY NICE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT? THANK YOU, SIR. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:48 AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> WE APPROVED 23P-060. 
          >> I SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 23P-060. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          23P-060 PASSES. 
          MOVING ON, 23P-062. 
          [7.A.3. 23P-062 (33 Grand Beach) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit To Include Proposed Construction Of A Cantilevered Rear First Floor Deck With Second Floor Roof. Property Is Legally Described As Abstract 628, M.B Menard Survey, Lot 5A, Block 2 Replat, Preserve At Grand Beach, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Stan Culwell Property Owner: Goran And Orpha Haag]
          >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ANOTHER EXEMPTION AND APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A CANTILEVER DECK ON A PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS. 
          THE ADDRESS IS 33 GROUND-BASED. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT 628 MB MINARD SURVEY, LOT 5A, BLOCK 2 REPLANT, PRESERVE A GRAND BEACH, A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS. 
          THE SUBJECT SIZE IS LOCATED AT THE GRAND PRESERVE SUBDIVISION. 
          SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          A BEACH IN DOING SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC GEOLOGY, THIS AREA IS ACCRETING AT A RATE OF TWO FEET PER YEAR. 
          FIRST, WE HAVE THE FARM AND BEG MAP SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM. 
          IT'S POSITIONED RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN EXEMPTION. 
          THIS IS ONE OF THE OTHER EXEMPTIONS REQUIREMENTS AND THE DUNE PROTECTION AND BEACH ACCESS PLAN. 
          THE TOP BULLET IS WHAT WE ARE TO REVIEW AND WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON ADDRESSING THE BOTTOM BULLET DOWN THERE, WHAT WE WORKED WITH. 
          SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO COVER ROOF, 
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BUT THAT IS JUST TO HELP CANTILEVER FOR THE SUPPORT AND THIS WAS IN LIEU OF MORE EXPENSIVE BEAM, WHICH SHOWS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT COST. 
          WE MINIMIZE THE SIZE ALONG THE REAR OF THE HOUSE FROM 46 FEET TO 34 FEET IS THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE NO GROUND DISTURBANCE IN THE CONSERVATION AREA IS GOING TO BE ALL OVER THE OVERDOING CONSERVATION, BUT IT STILL REQUIRES AN EXEMPTION. 
          NEXT WE HAVE SURVEY ZOOMED IN ON THE ROUTE TO SHOW THE NORDAU, THE DUNE, AND THE DISTANCE TO THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION, 19 FEET. 
          NEXT, THE BOX SHOWS YOU THE AREA ALONG THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE HOUSE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, IT DOES NOT GO ACROSS THE ENTIRE SECTION OF THE HOUSE AND THEN WE HAVE THREE SLIDES SHOWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT DRAWINGS. 
          FOLLOW. WE HAVE SIX PHOTOS OF THE OF THE SITE LOOKING NORTH. 
          LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING NICE, LOOKING WEST, ANOTHER WEST PORTION, AND THEN THE NORTH VIEW OF THE LINE OF VEGETATION AT THE PROPOSED PROJECTS. 
          THAT THIS CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU, COLLIN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? 
          >> I DID. CATHERINE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT RIGHT THERE. 
          CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT MINIMIZE SIZE ALONG REAR OF THE HOUSE, 46 FEET TO 34 FEET, WHAT IS THE SIZE OF WHAT WAS MOVED. 
          >> WHAT THAT IS IS LIKE I SAID, THAT TOP BULLET IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT WHEN WE COME TO YOU ALL FOR AN EXEMPTION. 
          IT SAYS IN THERE THE SITTING OF THE PROPOSED PROJECTS. 
          WHEN THE APPLICANT FIRST CAME TO US THE PROPOSED DECK WAS ACROSS THE ENTIRE BACK OF THE HOUSE. 
          WE MADE THEM SUBMIT JUSTIFICATION TO US WHY IT NEEDED TO BE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PORTION OF THE HOUSE. 
          THEY REDUCED IT FROM 46 FEET DOWN AT 34. 
          THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WE START COMING IN FOR ANY EXEMPTIONS LIKE THAT, THIS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION OF HERE'S WHAT WE DID TO GET THEM TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. 
          LIKE I SAID, WHEN I CAME TO US, THEY WANTED TO DO THE COVERED PORTION AND WE'RE, WHY DOES IT NEED TO BE COVERED? THE ENGINEER SAYS TO PUT A BEAM THAT COULD SUPPORT THE CANTILEVER DECK IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IF WE DO IT IN TIED INTO SOME TYPE OF ROOF STRUCTURE TO HELP PROVIDE SUPPORT. 
          AN ENGINEER COMES TO US. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE JUST WORKED WITH THEM ON MINIMIZING THE IMPACT. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> KYLE HUB. AS FAR AS REFERENCE TO EROSION CONTROL WITH SOMETHING OVERHANGING LIKE THAT, DO THEY HAVE TO STIPULATE TO US WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO MITIGATE EROSION OF THE DUNES OR ANY WATER SHEDDING TOWARD THE DUNE? 
          >> NO THEY DON'T, BUT WE CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION THAT, IF THERE IS ANY OBSERVANCE OF EROSION, UNDER OUR PLAN, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CAUSE ANY EROSION, BUT WE CAN SPECIFICALLY ADD ONE IN THERE IF THERE'S ANY EROSION OBSERVED FROM THE ROOF OVERHANG OF THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA. 
          THERE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CORRECT THOSE DEFICIENCIES. 
          WE CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION. 
          >> THAT'S GOOD QUESTION, STAN. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I PIGGYBACK ON STANDS QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO ASK DO WE KNOW IF THE ROOF SHADING IS NOT AN IMPACT THE DUNES IN ANY WAY? 
          >> IT'S AWAY FROM THE DUNE IT IS 25 FEET, 19 FEET AWAY. 
          THE ACTUAL DUNE IS NOT BUT WITHIN THAT DOOM CONSERVATION AREA. 
          >> DO WE THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY SHADING FROM THE ROOF ON THAT AREA THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CAUSE. 
          >> IT WILL BE SOME, BUT THERE'S THE SUN'S SETTING IN SOUTH TO THE EAST AND WEST. 
          IF IT WAS POSITIONED DIFFERENTLY AND IT WAS COMING FROM THE NORTH OF THE HOUSE. 
          BUT THE WAY WE ARE, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE SOUTH. 
          COMING UP IN THE EAST AND THE WEST, I DON'T SEE IT. 
          THAT'S WHY COULD SAY THAT'S WHY WE ALSO HAVE IT REDUCED IN SIZE TO REDUCE THE SHADING EFFECT ON THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE APPROVED SEVERAL HOUSES OVER HERE, NOT VERY LONG AGO. 
          DID THIS ONE WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY HAVE AN EXEMPTION OR WAS IT? 
          >> THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT. THEY DIDN'T. 
          >> THERE'S ANOTHER WAS ONE THAT WE APPROVED AND IT WAS MOOT. 
          IT GOT AN EXEMPTION. 
          >> THIS ONE DID NOT HAVE IT. 
          >> IT DID NOT. 
          >> HAVE A DECK ON IT. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          >> THAT DECK IS SIX FEET WIDE. 
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          >> YES. 
          >> I DO LIKE STANDS COMMENTS ABOUT AMINO GUTTER WOULD FIX THAT PRETTY EASILY, BUT I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >> WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE DO THE DUTY. 
          IT DID. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? BEING NONE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE AT 3:55. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> DAN COLE. I'M THE HOME DESIGNER. 
          I CAME INTO THIS PROJECT A LITTLE LATER. 
          IF THAT GOES AFTER THE APPROVAL OF THE FIRST APPROVAL, WHICH WAS A FOOTPRINT WITHOUT THE CANTILEVER. 
          IT WAS AT THAT TIME WAS PRESENTED TO ME BY THE OWNERS THAT THEIR DOCTORS RECOMMENDED SOME LOW-IMPACT EXERCISE IN THE FORM OF SWIMMING. 
          NOW OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO A POOL THERE. 
          NEXT OPTION WOULD BE A SWIMMING SPOT. 
          THOSE ARE PRETTY LARGE AND OUR DECK, AS IT EXISTED AT THAT TIME, WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT. 
          THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE IDEA OF CANTILEVER. I WAS RELUCTANT. 
          IN FACT, THEY BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT WE MIGHT GET SOME PUSHBACK. 
          THERE WASN'T A SLAM DUNK, BUT WE VISITED A LOT AND THERE'S A HOUSE WEST OF THEM THAT HAS A CANTILEVER, SIX FEET. I'VE MEASURED IT. 
          IT RUNS THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE ON TWO FLOORS WITH A COVERED ROOF. 
          THAT GAVE US SOME OPTIMISM THAT WE HAD A CHANCE AT MAYBE GETTING THIS APPROVED. 
          HERE ARE THE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          >> NO. NONE. DO YOU THINK HE'D HAVE A PROBLEM PICKING GUTTERS ON THE BACK OF THAT? 
          >> NO. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT BEING NONE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 3:57 AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> IF I CAN WORD THIS PROPERLY, I MOVE WE APPROVE 43P-062 WITH THE ADDITIONAL PROVISION FOR EROSION MITIGATION ON THE BEACH SITE. SOUND GOOD. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I'M SORRY. EROSION MITIGATION IS SO BROAD BUT I THINK WHAT I HEARD [NOISE] CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC 
          >> SO MORE SPECIFIC THAN EROSION MITIGATION. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] MEAN TO YOU. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> JUST STAND. LET ME JUST ASK YOU. 
          NOT THAT I'M A PROFESSIONAL EROSION ENGINEER, BUT I WOULD THINK THE INSTALLATION OF GUTTERS AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WOULD CERTAINLY HELP MITIGATE. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE],YET WE CAN JUST SAY THE ADDITION OF [OVERLAPPING] THAT GUTTERS TO THE REAR. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> DOES THAT MOTION ALSO INCLUDE PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? 
          >> PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, YEAH. 
          >> WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 23P-062 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH THE ADDITION OF THE REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL GUTTERS AT THE REAR OF THE HOME TO MINIMIZE EROSION. ANY DISCUSSION? 
          >> YES. 
          >> YES MA'AM. 
          >> I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST ABOUT, I KNOW THERE'S VERY GOOD REASON FOR HAVING THIS EXEMPTION THAT WE'VE SPOKEN PRETTY THOROUGHLY ABOUT CONTINUING TO ALLOW THESE EXEMPTIONS. 
          SUDDENLY SEEMS LIKE THEY GET THIS ONE IS NOT AS BROAD AS SOME THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT MORE AND MORE WE'RE GETTING EXEMPTIONS TO EXEMPT PEOPLE INTO THE DUNE CONSERVATION. 
          I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO. 
          I WANT TO CONTINUE TO GIVE THESE EXEMPTIONS. 
          EVEN WHEN IT DOESN'T SEEM AS THOUGH IT'S VERY MINOR. 
          EVEN KNOW WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY MINOR, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS. 
          I THINK AS WE SIGNED UP TO PROTECT THE DUNE. 
          SOMETHING WHEN YOU REALLY START LOOKING AT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          >> I WOULD SAY THAT I AGREE WITH YOU A 100%. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LINE THERE. 
          EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE LINE IS. 
          WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GRANT SOME EXEMPTIONS. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT IS ELEVATED ABOVE THE DCA. 
          [00:30:06]
BUT YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY VALID POINT IN THAT SHADE HAS AN EFFECT. 
          NOW ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE APPROVE DUNE WALKOVERS ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE ARE SOME CRITERIA FOR DUNE WALKOVERS ON HOW HIGH THEY HAVE TO BE ABOVE THE DUNE. 
          I THINK IT'S FOUR FEET. IS THAT RIGHT? THEN THERE ALSO HAS TO BE SPACING ON THE DECK BOARDS. 
          >> HALF-INCH. 
          >> OF A HALF-INCH. 
          IF THEY WERE TO GO PUT A DUNE WALKOVER, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO THAT AS LONG AS THEY WERE FOUR FOOT ABOVE THE DUNE. 
          IN THIS CASE THEY'RE WAY ABOVE THAT. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE SPACING ON THE DECK BOARD. 
          GRANTED, THIS DOES HAVE A ROOF ON IT. 
          IS IT GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT? I CAN'T SAY NO. I HEAR YOU. 
          IT'S ELEVATED. 
          ANY IDEA HOW HIGH THAT'S OFF THE GROUND? SIR, YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW HIGH THAT DECK IS ABOVE THE GROUND? 
          >> TWENTY EIGHT FEET. 
          >> TWENTY EIGHT FEET. 
          >> TWENTY EIGHT FEET TO A BASE SPREADERS AND THEN THE FIRST ONE IS [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> INSTEAD OF FOUR FEET, IT'S TWENTY SOMETHING FEET. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, JUST MY OPINION. 
          I HEAR YOU ROSE ANN. 
          I AGREE THAT. 
          >> I THINK THIS ONE IS MINIMAL. 
          I JUST WANT TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE ARE ASKED CONTINUOUSLY FOR THESE EXEMPTIONS, EVEN JUST HERE, THIS IS SECOND EXEMPTION ON THIS, EVEN THOUGH, GREAT REASON FOR THE EXEMPTION. 
          BUT SOMETIMES WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND HAVE A LONGER DISCUSSION. 
          SOMETIMES MAYBE ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO'S EXEMPTIONS. 
          >> I AGREE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS MORE AND MORE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ASKING FOR EXEMPTIONS MORE AND MORE. 
          >> WELL, WE HAVE GOTTEN. 
          >> YEAH [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> I CAN JUST DO THE COMMISSIONS, EASE. 
          I SAID, WHEN WE START COMBINING THESE WITH THESE EXEMPTIONS, WE'RE GOING TO SHOW WHY WE THINK IT MEETS THE EXEMPTION. 
          THERE ARE NO QUIZZES WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND SHOW YOU, HERE'S WHAT IT IS, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DONE TO GET THEM TO MEET THAT EXEMPTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE COME TO DO SO. 
          >> IN THIS WHAT ARE THE NOTATIONS ARE FOR? WE KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN DILIGENCE ON THIS ON YOUR PART. 
          IT'S NOT JUST BEING THROWN UP TOGETHER AND THROWN HER FACE. APPRECIATE THAT. 
          >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          23P-069. 
          >> WELL, I THINK. 
          >> NO, I'M SORRY. THAT'S 062 IS APPROVED. 
          MOVING ON TO 23P-069. 
          [7.A.4. 23P-069 (21618 Kennedy Drive) Request For Beachfront Construction Certificate And Dune Protection Permit For Installation Of A Cargo Lift. Property Is Legally Described As Abstract 121, Hall & Jones Survey, South 70 Feet Of Lot 60 And Adjacent 30 Feet Of Tract (60-1), Sea Isle, A Subdivision In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Nancy Liebel Property Owner: Sonny McCurry]
          >> I THINK THIS IS MY LAST ONE [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> YOU CAN JUST STICK AROUND CARL. 
          [LAUGHTER] YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE. 
          >> THIS THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONSTRUCTION OF A CARGO LIFT ON A CURRENT SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          THE ADDRESS IS 21618 KENNEDY DR. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS ABSTRACT ONE TO ONE HOLLAND GENERAL SURVEY, SOUTH 70 FEET OF LOT 60 AND ADJACENT 30 FEET OF TRACK, 6-1 CL A SUBDIVISION LOCATED IN THE CITY AND COUNTY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN THE CL SUBDIVISION. 
          SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE LOCATED TO THE EAST AND WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          A BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEM IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. 
          ACCORDING TO THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC ECOLOGY, THIS AREA IS STABLE. 
          JUST AS A BACKGROUND TO THE COMMISSION. 
          THIS HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE. 
          IT WAS NEITHER APPROVED OR DENIED. 
          THERE WASN'T ENOUGH VOTES TO APPROVE IT. 
          FIRST, WE HAVE THE FIRM AND BEG MAPS SHOWING THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE DUNE SYSTEM AND IT'S POSITIONED RELATIVE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. 
          NEXT, WE HAVE THE SURVEY SHOWING THE POSITION OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE FROM THE NORTH OF THE DUNE. 
          I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE GROUND DISTURBANCE FOR THE AUDIENCE, FOR THIS CARGO LIFTER OUTSIDE OF THE DUNE PROTECTION LINE DOING CONSERVATION AREA. 
          THE ONLY THING OVERHANGING THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA WILL BE THE BASKET. 
          >> NEXT. 
          >> NEXT WE HAVE PROPOSED PROJECTS. 
          NEXT WE HAVE THE DRAWINGS OF THE PROPOSED LIFT LOCATION. 
          [00:35:02]
LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING SOUTH, LOOKING EAST, AND LOOKING WEST. 
          ALSO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE ALSO WENT THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS SLIDE, DIDN'T GET PUT IN HERE. 
          BUT FOR THE EXEMPTIONS, WE DISCUSSED IT WITH HIM AGAIN ABOUT RELOCATING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE ON THE HOUSE. 
          THERE'S NO IMPACT IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA. 
          IT'S THE THE TWO POLES OUTSIDE OF THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA. 
          THAT INCLUDE STAFF REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU, COLLINS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I REMEMBER THIS ONE PRETTY CLEARLY. 
          THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE SAID THAT WHEN THAT BASKET CAME DOWN, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE SOME PATHWAY TO THIS BASKET AS WELL AS HOW WERE THEY GOING TO ACTUALLY GET TO IT? BECAUSE IT HAS TO COME DOWN AND IT'S IN THE DUNE PROTECTION WHEN THE BASKET OVERHANG IS IN THERE WHEN IT COMES DOWN, RIGHT? IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ONCE IT HIT THE GROUND. 
          HOW ARE THEY PROTECTING THE DUNES AND THEN WHAT PATHWAY WHERE THEY'RE USING TO GET TO IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DOWNLOADED SOME WAY, ARE LOADED, SOME WAY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE GOT THE ANSWERS TO THAT OR IF I DON'T, I'M FLAKY ON IT. THEY WILL GET THE ANSWER TO THAT? 
          >> THAT SIDE OF THE DUNE. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ON THE DUNE, IT WON'T BE COMING DOWN ON THE DUNE. 
          YOU'RE 25 FEET AWAY FROM THE ACTUAL DUNE. 
          YOU'RE IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA. 
          >> YES. 
          >> IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE DUNE. 
          >> WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THE BASKET COMES DOWN? HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET TO IT? 
          >> HOW I'M GOING TO GET IN IT? 
          >> WELL, THEY'LL WALK AROUND THE SIDE OF IT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S ALREADY SOME VEGETATION MANIPULATION THERE WHERE THEY WILL JUST WALK TO THE BASKET. 
          >> SHOULD THERE BE MOWING IN THAT AREA? 
          >> YEAH, I DIDN'T THINK SO EITHER. 
          THAT'S A RECENT PICTURE OF THE ONE FROM LONG TIME AGO. 
          >> I THINK THAT WAS FROM LAST YEAR. 
          >> ARE THEY MOWING IN IT NOW? DO WE KNOW? 
          >> I DO NOT KNOW, WE CAN WHEN THEY CAME HERE. 
          CARL, DO YOU KNOW HOW OLD THIS HOUSE IS BY CHANCE? 
          >> NO SIR. 
          >> IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S POURED IN PLACE CONCRETE UNDERNEATH IT. 
          >> IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT. 
          >> I CAN'T REALLY TELL, BUT I'M JUST, ANYWAYS, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE OR JUST MENTIONING THAT. 
          >> OBJECTION. 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >> THE GL LETTER INDICATES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT PIVOTS UNDERNEATH THE BASKET. 
          >> WE'RE PUTTING PIVOTS UNDER THE POST. 
          >> UNDER THE POST? 
          >> YEAH. NOTHING UNDER THE BASKET. 
          >> NOTHING UNDER THE BASKET. 
          >> WELL, THIS IS BENEATH THE CARGO LIFT SO THAT TO ME INDICATES THE BASKET. THIS KNOW WHAT THAT IS? 
          >> IT'S UNDER THE POST IT. 
          >> I THINK BACK TO THIS QUESTION, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO THE BASKET? THEY'RE JUST GOING TO WALK OVER THE GRASS AND. 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WELL, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 04:08. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, MA'AM. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> CAN YOU PULL THE MIKE DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU? THANK YOU. THAT'S OKAY. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> I THINK YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT PAVERS BEING UNDER THE BASKET, IS THAT CORRECT? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. CAN YOU GUYS SIGN IN FOR US, PLEASE? 
          >> THE THE PAPERS ARE NOT UNDER THE BASKET. 
          WHAT YOU SEE IN ONE OF THOSE DRAWINGS IS WHAT WE BEING LEGACY LIVES, WE REFER TO AS BEACH FRONT FOOTING BECAUSE WE CANNOT POUR CONCRETE IN THE GROUND. 
          WE DO SPECIAL PERMEABLE PLATES AND THEY GO FARTHER IN THE GROUND BECAUSE WE CAN'T POUR CONCRETE. 
          WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT DRAWING IS ACTUALLY IN THE GROUND AND THEY'RE PERMEABLE. 
          >> THE POSTER EMBEDDED IN PAPERS MORE OR LESS [OVERLAPPING] OR A PAPER LIKE PRODUCT. 
          >> THE THE DRAWING ON THE VERY RIGHT, WHERE YOU SEE THE BOTTOM AND IT'S CIRCLED? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> THOSE ARE WHAT WE CALL FOOT PLATES AND WE DRILL THROUGH THOSE TO MAKE IT PERMEABLE AND THEY'RE SPACED OUT, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. 
          I THINK THEY'RE SPACED OUT ROUGHLY AROUND EIGHT INCHES APART. 
          WE DIG DOWN ABOUT THREE FEET AND PUT ALL THAT IN THE GROUND SO THAT WE'RE NOT POURING CONCRETE WHEN WE HAVE BEACH FRONT INSTALLATIONS. 
          [00:40:01]
          >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> EXACTLY WHERE THESE PERMEABLE PAVERS EXACTLY? 
          >> IN THE GROUND. 
          THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE I-BEAMS. THAT'S WHAT THE BASKET TRAVELS ON. 
          THOSE PERMEABLE PLATES GO IN THE GROUND TO STABILIZE IT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SECURED, OF COURSE, SO THAT IT DOESN'T FALL OVER. 
          >> HOW WIDE IS THE BASKET? 
          >> THE BASKET ITSELF, WE'RE DOING A STANDARD, SO IT'S 54 BY 54 OUTSIDE DIMENSIONS. 
          >> DO THE PAPERS GO THIS WHOLE 54? 
          >> THEY DON'T BECAUSE THE BASKET ON EACH SIDE STICKS OUT ABOUT 10 INCHES ON EACH SIDE FROM THE I-BEAMS. THOSE I-BEAMS ARE SPACED 32 INCHES APART AND THEY'RE CENTERED IN THE BASKET. 
          [NOISE] 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] IN LINE WITH THE LAST PART OF CONSTRUCTION. 
          >> THE I-BEAMS IN THE BASKET ITSELF IS NOT GOING BEYOND ANYTHING EXISTING. 
          IT'S NOT GOING BEYOND THE DEPTH. 
          >> WHAT ARE THE PAPERS CONSTRUCTED OF? 
          >> I'M SORRY. 
          >> WHAT IS THE MATERIAL THE PAPERS ARE MADE OUT OF? 
          >> MARINE GRID ALUMINUM. 
          >> I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED, SO IN THAT PICTURE OVER THERE IN THE CENTER, IT SHOWS PERMEABLE PAVER AND IT SHOWS 24 INCHES. 
          IS THAT 24 INCHES THOSE ARE GOING INTO THE GROUND? 
          >> ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER NOW, SO THEY'RE GOING ABOUT 36 INCHES IN THE GROUND. 
          >> THEN I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT CIRCLE IS AN EIGHT FOOT CIRCLES SO THERE LOOK TO BE PROBABLY 10 FOOT IN LENGTH, JUST TAKING A GUESS. 
          THERE'S A CIRCLE AROUND THAT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW LONG THEY ARE. 
          I GOT 24 INCHES GOING FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. 
          WHAT IS THE DIMENSION FROM LEFT TO RIGHT? 
          >> THIRTY-FOUR. 
          >> HOW THEY ATTACH TO THE BEAMS? 
          >> YES, MA'AM, BETWEEN THE BEAM, BUT IT LOOKS THE WAY THIS PERMANENT REPAIR THIS PERMEABLE PAVER IS DRAWN. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE A PORTION OF IT GOES OUT UNDERNEATH THE BASKET. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> YOU HAVE THE I-BEAMS IN THE BASKET. 
          WHEN THE BASKET IS TRAVELING, THERE'S 10 INCHES FROM THE I-BEAM TO THE END OF THE BASKET ON EACH SIDE. 
          >> I'M LOOKING IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH IN THE MIDDLE. 
          IT SAYS PERMEABLE PAVERS. 
          >> THAT'S IT, THE PLATES. 
          >> THAT'S THE PLATES? 
          >> YES. 
          >> THE WAY THIS IS DRAWN, IT LOOKS LIKE DOES GO OUT UNDERNEATH THE BASKET. 
          I'M GOING TO GUESS, IF THAT'S TWO FOOT, THEY PROBABLY GO OUT THREE-FOOT EACH WAY. I'M JUST GUESSING. 
          >> THIS WAY. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> LIKE HOW FAR THOSE PLATES EXTEND BEYOND THE BEAMS? 
          >> YES, IF THIS IS THE BEAM AND THIS IS THE BASKET, YOU HAVE SOMETHING DRAWN DOWN HERE WHERE IT SAYS PERMEABLE PAVER. WHAT IS THAT? 
          >> I DIDN'T DRAW THAT [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> I THINK WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU AN IMAGE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE GROUND, BUT THOSE PERMEABLE PLATES, THEY DON'T EXTEND BEYOND THE I-BEAM. 
          IT MIGHT BE AN INCH, MAYBE TWO ON EACH SIDE. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> CHAIRMAN IT APPEARS THAT THERE IS SOME DISCREPANCY BETWEEN DETAILS HERE BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE IN DETAIL 8, WAS IMMEDIATELY RIGHT OF THE DETAIL YOU WERE SPEAKING OF. 
          THOSE PLATES LOOK TO BE 16 INCHES WIDE. 
          >> THAT'S TRUE. 
          >> IS THAT RIGHT? 
          >> YEAH THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, I GUESS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, MA'AM. 
          >> MAY I ASK, IS THIS RAMP GOING TO BE USED AS AN ADA RAMP? CAN I ASK HIM THAT? NO OR YES. 
          IS IT YOUR MAIN? CAN I. 
          >> IT'S NOT THE MAIN. [OVERLAPPING] IT IS NOT THE RAMP. 
          >> NOT RAMP. I SAID RAMP, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT. 
          [00:45:01]
[LAUGHTER] I MEANT ELEVATOR [OVERLAPPING] CARGO. 
          SOME PEOPLE USE THESE LEGACY ONES. 
          THEY USE THEM FOR PEOPLE CARGO. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING? 
          >> SURE. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> HE DOES HAVE A NOTE FROM THE DOCTOR THAT IS MEDICALLY NECESSARY FOR THE LIFT TO BE INSTALLED AS HE HAS DIFFICULTY CARRYING ITEMS UP THE STAIRS. 
          >> I CAN REMEMBER YOU GUYS FROM LAST TIME BECAUSE I KNOW I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION, IS THERE ANY OTHER PLACE YOU CAN PUT THE LIFT? YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S NO STARES AT THE BACK. 
          YOU GOT TO GET IN THERE SOME WAY. 
          >> NOT A DECK IN THE FRONT AND I CALLED THE FRONT FACING THE STREET. 
          >> YES, MA'AM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO STAIRS GOING UP TO THAT BACK, SO THEY GOT TO GET UP IN THE HOUSE SOME WAY. 
          >> THERE'S ACTUALLY GO UP FROM UNDERNEATH UP TO THE DECK [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I CAN PUT IT ON THE FRONT OF THE DECK. 
          [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THESE ARE DIFFICULT FOR US. 
          SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE EXTREMELY SIMPLE, GETS VERY COMPLICATED AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. 
          BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, IT'S IN OUR PURVIEW TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THAT, SO I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> CAN I INTERRUPT? 
          >> CERTAINLY. 
          >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU ON THE GLM LETTER. 
          IT SAYS THE CITY MUST ENSURE THAT PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IS CONSISTENT WITH FEMA MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE WITH FEMA APPROVAL LOCAL ORDINANCE. 
          WHAT'S THE LOCAL ORDINANCE ON THIS THING? 
          >> THE FEMA'S FLOOD IMPACTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          GLM WILL ADD COMMENTS TO LETTERS THAT NOT EVERYTHING SHE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT IT STILL HAS TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT FROM OUR BUILDING OFFICE SO THEY WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERYTHING. 
          >> THANK YOU, MARCH. 
          >> WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK FOR A MOTION. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? 
          >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 23 P-069 PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND I SECOND, 23 P-069. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? 
          >> JUMP IN. I REMEMBER THIS AND OF COURSE IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, LIKE YOU HAD SAID PREVIOUSLY, GIVE SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFICULT CASE. 
          OUR RESERVE LAST TIME SOMETHING OR THIS THIS CAME UP WAS THAT YOU'VE GOT TO WALK IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE CARGO BASKET AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE BEEN MITIGATED IN ANY WAY AND IT'S HARD TO FIND HOW IT COULD BE MITIGATED ANY OTHER WAY, BUT IT STILL EXISTS. 
          I DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE THRESHOLD OF APPROVAL FROM MEMBERS. 
          >> ANYBODY ELSE ON DISCUSSION? GO AHEAD, SIR. 
          >> WELL, I SEE YOUR POINT. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOT TRAFFIC, NOTWITHSTANDING IT IS THEIR PROPERTY, THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOT TRAFFIC ALONG THE SIDE. 
          I CAN'T SEE DISAPPROVING THAT FOR VIRTUE OF THEM HAVING TO WALK ON THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE, THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE WHITE FAIR? 
          >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT. 
          [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] OUR PICKLE IS THIS IS WE HAVE OUR 25 FOOT LINE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY OUT OF IT. 
          WE GET THESE ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE IS A REASON THEY CAN BRING THEM FOR EXEMPTIONS. 
          I THINK STAN'S GOT A VERY VALID POINT. 
          I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT THAT IS A BEACHFRONT HOMEOWNER. 
          SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES CAN BE A LITTLE ONEROUS. 
          LIKE YOU'RE NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO MOW YOUR GRASS OVER THERE. 
          WE KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. 
          I NOTED IT LOOK LIKE CONCRETE. 
          THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THESE THINGS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK STAN HAS A VERY VALID POINT. 
          [00:50:02]
THEY'RE WALKING IN THE GRASS OVER THERE ANYWAYS. 
          JUST DON'T PUT ANY PAVING THERE. 
          ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THEN WE'LL HAVE THE VOTE. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR? THOSE OPPOSED? WE HAVE SIX, SO THAT'D BE FIVE FOR ONE AGAINST. 
          THE MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND UNDERSTANDING. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM C1, GALVESTON LANDMARK 23P-067. I'M SORRY. 
          >> YEAH, 23P-072. 
          >> TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          [7.B.1. 23P-072 (1128 Seawall Blvd.) Request For A Change Of Zoning From Urban Neighborhood (UN) To Commercial, Height And Density Development, Zone Three (C-HDDZ-3), Zoning District. Property Is Legally Described As “Katie’s On Seawall,” Replat Of The Northeast Block Of Outlot 48 And Intermediate Right-Of-Way Of Avenue N, In The City And County Of Galveston Texas. Applicant: Abigail Martinez, LJA Engineering, Inc. Property Owner: Katie’s Seafood Restaurant, LLC C/O Keith Guindon]
23P-072. 
          THANK YOU, DONNA. 
          COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS REMOVED HERSELF FROM THE COMMISSION DUE TO CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM. 
          >> THIS IS 1128 SEAWALL, BOULEVARD. 
          THEY WERE 35 AND PUBLIC NOTICES SENT THREE OF THOSE RETURNS. 
          ONE IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED. 
          BACKGROUND. ON AUGUST 22, 2023, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED TO REPLY TO CONSOLIDATE THE UN ZONE PARCELS WITH THE ADJACENT ABANDONED ALLEY AND THE COMMERCIAL PARCELS TO THE SOUTH. 
          THIS CHANGE RESULTED IN A SINGLE PROPERTY WITH TWO ZONING DESIGNATIONS AND THE HDDZ-3 OVERLAY. 
          IN AN EFFORT TO CREATE CONSISTENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND ZONING BOUNDARY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A PARTIAL CHANGE OF ZONING FROM UN TO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ZONES ZONE THREE ZONING DISTRICT. 
          THE POST CHANGE OF ZONING WOULD EXTEND THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING BOUNDARY TO A YEAR AND-A-HALF. 
          THEREFORE, PROVIDING CONSISTENT ZONING ALONG WITH THE HEIGHTENED DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ZONE, ZONE THREE OVERLAY ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          THE APPLICANTS INTENT IS TO UTILIZE THE CURRENT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ZONE UN AS A PARKING LOT FOR THE PROPOSED KATIE SEAFOOD RESTAURANT ON THE SUBJECT SITE. 
          PLEASE NOTE THE ZONING AND LAND USE INFORMATION ON PAGE 2 OF YOUR REPORT, AS WELL AS THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL ON PAGES 2 AND 3 OF YOUR REPORT. 
          STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHANGE OF ZONING APPROVAL CRITERIA PRESCRIBED IN SECTION 13.601 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. 
          THE CHANGE OF ZONING DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING, AND PROVIDES A CONSISTENT COMMERCIAL ZONING ALONG THE HEIGHT ALONG THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, ALONG WITH THE HEIGHT UNNECESSARY DEVELOPMENT ZONES, ZONE THREE OVERLAY. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM UN TO COMMERCIAL HEIGHT DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ZONES, ZONE THREE BE APPROVED. 
          NOW WE HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS. 
          YOU JUST SAW THE ENTIRE SITE WITH BOTH ZONING DESIGNATIONS. 
          THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, NORTH, EAST, AND WEST. THAT CONCLUDES OUR REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU, ADRIEL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? 
          >> YES, SIR. IN OUR ONLINE COMMENTS, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT STREET PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING. 
          DO YOU KNOW IF THESE STREETS IS IT TWO-HOUR PARKING? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE- 
          >> I DON'T KNOW IF A STORE PARKING LOT I CAN SAY THAT IN THE UN ZONING DISTRICT, WE HAVE NO PARKING REQUIREMENT. 
          FOLKS IN PARK ON THE STREET. 
          IN ADDITION, THE PROPOSED SITE WILL PROVIDE PARKING FOR THE RESTAURANT. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I THINK THE COMMENT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE OVERFLOW FROM THE PARKING AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE HOUSE, THE PERSON WHO HAD THE OPPOSITION SAID THAT THAT WAS THEIR ONLY PARKING TO THEIR HOUSE, MAYBE IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. 
          DO ALL THESE HOUSES ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY HAVE PARKING ACCESS OR A STREET PARKING AND THEY'RE ONLY OPTION? DO YOU KNOW? 
          >> IT'S ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL PERMITS ONLY AS WE JUST FOUND OUT. 
          >> WELL, THAT'S GOOD. 
          >> DESIGNATE TO RESIDENTS. 
          >> PATRONS THAT WENT TO THE RESTAURANT, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMIT, THEY'D GET TICKETED, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T BE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. 
          >> THAT IT WILL BE CORRECT. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> QUESTION ADRIEL? 
          [00:55:02]
          >> DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON ANY ALTERNATIVE TO DOING A PARKING LOT THERE IN LIEU OF A CHANGE OF ZONING? 
          >> WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY FIRST THAT THE PARKING LOT THAT'S PROPOSED CAN BE DONE WITH A UN ZONING DESIGNATION ALREADY THERE. 
          IN THE UN, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A PARKING LOT INCIDENTAL TO THE MAIN USE. 
          IF YOU SEE THEIR SITE PLAN, THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING TO BE ON THE COMMERCIAL SITE OR PORTION OF THE SITE RATHER, AND THEN THE PARKING LOT ON THE UN SIDE, THAT CAN ALREADY BE DONE. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU RECALL IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN OTHER REQUESTS TO WHERE IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS TO ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS DUE TO THE MANY STANDARDS THAT EXIST ON A SINGLE-SITE WITH VARIOUS DESIGNATIONS ON IT, IN ADDITION TO THE OVERLAY OF THE HEIGHTENED DENSITY DEVELOPMENT ZONE. 
          THEREFORE, THIS WILL CREATE A MORE CONSISTENT PATTERN WHICH SHOULD ALLOW FOLKS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY ACCORDINGLY. 
          >> HE COULD PUT A PARKING LOT THERE AS UN AND HIS SITE PLAN, I OF COURSE I CAN CHANGE IT'S UP TO HIM. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> BUT AS LONG AS THERE'S COMMERCIAL BUILDING DID NOT END UP ON THAT'S PART OF THE BLOCK, HE'D BE GOOD WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU. 
          >> YEAH. CONCERNING THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE, I WAS WONDERING WHY THE RESIDENTS TO THE WEST WERE INCLUDED IN THE CHANGE, IS THAT INCLUDED IN THE CHANGES OR THAT JUST HIGHLIGHTED AREA? 
          >> I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THE RESIDENTS OF THE WEST. 
          >> THE RED AREA, THAT'S JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA OF THE WHOLE THING. 
          THE BLUE AREA IS THE ACTUAL ZONING CHANGE REQUEST, IS THAT RIGHT? 
          >> BLUE AREA IS THE ENTIRE SITE. 
          NOW, THE ACTUAL REQUEST IS WHERE YOU SEE THE LABEL, THE CALL-OUT, WHICH IS THE UN PORTION OF THE SITE. 
          >> I SEE. 
          >> MR. LISTOWSKI. 
          >> YOU-ALL THINK YOU'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES FROM DON BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A DON RESPONSE THAT YOU GAVE. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> IF THE APPLICANT CAN DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED, WHY CHANGE THE ZONING? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD IN YOUR STATEMENT THERE. 
          BESIDES, THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON IN THE SITE AND THAT IT JUST MAKES THINGS EASIER. 
          BUT MY CONCERN HERE WHY I ASKED THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE SAME PROPERTY THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WHERE THEY TRIED TO DO THE GAS STATION. 
          I THINK THE RESTAURANT IS A GREAT FIT FOR THIS SIDE AND I'M ALL FOR IT. 
          BUT IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ZONING IN PLACE WHEN WE WERE PRESENTED THAT OTHER CONCEPT BACK IN THE DAY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY IT BASICALLY AND WE'VE GOT A GAS STATION ON THIS SITE. 
          I ALWAYS ASK QUESTIONS WHEN WE CHANGE ZONING BECAUSE IT RUNS WITH A PROPERTY FOREVER, AND IT OPENS A WHOLE LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER THINGS THAT GO ON ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          I ASK AGAIN, WHY CHANGE THE ZONING IF WE CAN ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT THE WAY IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED? 
          >> I THINK AS I MENTIONED, IT'S JUST CREATES A MORE UNIFORM PATTERN HERE. 
          IF YOU LOOK THE COMMERCIAL ZONING EXTENDS TO THE EAST, QUIET FURTHER DOWN THAN WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. 
          SURE. I MEAN, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          AS PROVIDED IN THE PACKET, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE UN AND THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS AND WHAT DOES USERS ENTAIL FOR EACH. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALSO MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SUITED FOR THE APPLICANT AS WELL. 
          >> THAT'S FINE. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE. 
          IF THE DESIGNATION STAYS AS IS, WHAT LANDSCAPING DO THEY HAVE TO PUT AS FAR AS BUFFERS AROUND THAT PARKING LOT IF THE DESIGNATION STAYS AS IS? DOES IT CHANGE IF IT WAS UN OR COMMERCIAL? 
          >> THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING AND THOSE REGULATIONS WOULD STILL BE APPLICABLE. 
          >> GOOD QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? BEING THAT WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 4:30. 
          IS APPLICANT PRESENT? YES, MA'AM. 
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PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN. 
          >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS KAYLA LEE ALLEN WITH LJ ENGINEERING. 
          WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          WE DID PROVIDE SHORT PRESENTATION. 
          STAFF COVERED A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT I'M GOING TO GO OVER, BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. 
          YOU CAN GO IN TO THE NEXT ONE. 
          AS STEPH MENTIONED, THAT IS THE SIDE WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED. 
          THAT RIGHT AWAY HAS BEEN VACATED ON OUR SALINE STREET. 
          IF WE WANT TO SWITCH TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE CLOSER VIEW. 
          STEPH ALSO MENTIONED THE SITE WAS REPLOTTED SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, WE ARE DEVELOPING ON THAT ENTIRE SITE AS A WHOLE. 
          A LITTLE BACKGROUND WHAT LIKE WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND WHAT WAS LOCATED ON THERE BEFORE. 
          THERE WAS RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AND IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FROM THE '50S TO THE EARLY '2000S. 
          THAT DOES EXPLAIN WHY THAT UN WAS APPROPRIATE ON THAT SITE. 
          BACK IN THE DAY AROUND 2004, THOSE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WERE GONE. 
          DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. 
          BUT LOCATED OFF OF SEAWALL, THERE WERE A COUPLE COMMERCIAL LOOKING STRUCTURES AND A BILLBOARD AND THEN THOSE STRUCTURES WERE THERE UNTIL ABOUT 2015, AND SINCE THEN IT'S BEEN VACANT. 
          REQUESTING THE COMMERCIAL ZONING IS MOSTLY TO CREATE A CONSISTENT ZONING ACROSS THE PROPERTY FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES AND JUST CONVENIENCE AND MOVING FORWARD, WE DO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          NEXT PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR [INAUDIBLE]? 
          >> SORRY, I'M STILL GOING.[LAUGHTER] THE UN IS THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ZONING FOR. 
          THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING IS LOCATED ALONG SEAWALL BOULEVARD. 
          IT IS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, SO CHANGING THE ZONING DOES MEET THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ECONOMIC GOALS, LAND-USE GOALS AND THE QUESTION CAME UP ON WHY IF WE CAN DO THAT, PARKING AS A SUPPLEMENTAL FOR USE, WHY WOULD WE CHANGE THE ZONING? WE DID DISCUSS THAT WITH STAFF AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT GETTING THAT CONSISTENT ZONING ACROSS THE PROPERTY WOULD BE BEST. 
          WHENEVER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PERMITS AND BUILDING PLANS, SUBMITTING THE PARKING ON THAT REAR PORTION ZONED UN IS ESSENTIALLY OPEN TO THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AT THEIR DISCRETION ESSENTIALLY AND THAT'S WHAT THE CODE READS. 
          BUT GOING IN WITH THE COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLEVIATES THAT CONCERN MOVING FORWARD. 
          IT WOULD ALLOW THE SUPPLEMENTAL PARKING FOR THE RESTAURANT, AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE COMMERCIAL PARKING REGULATIONS BECAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF BUILDING FLOOR AREA AND THE PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE PARKING REGULATIONS. 
          IF WE SKIP ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          WE DID PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN TO STAFF AND HAD THAT REVIEWED. 
          IF YOU WANT TO CLICK ONE MORE TIME. 
          THIS IS CONCEPTUALIZED, AS I SAID, BUT THIS IS THE GENERAL LAYOUT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE SITE. 
          WITH THAT HTZ OVERLAY DISTRICT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUSH THAT BUILDING UP TO THE FRONT, AND THEN PARKING IS OF COURSE REQUIRED BEHIND ANY BUILDINGS. 
          I WILL ALSO MENTION THAT THERE IS ACTIVE WATER AND SEWER LINES CUTTING ACROSS THE PROPERTY. 
          PLACING A BUILDING MIDWAY TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT AN OPTION UNLESS YOU WANT THAT FEAR IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND LIKE IF THEY NEED TO ACCESS THE WATER LINES AND THEY'LL HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          THAT IS WHY THE PARKING ALSO WORKS ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THE FENCING AROUND THE PARKING LOT AS SCREENING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ACCESS OFF OF 12TH STREET, SO THAT IS THE ONLY ENTRANCE INTO THE PARKING LOT. 
          WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH 
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THE CITY ABOUT GETTING ANOTHER ENTRYWAY OFF OF 11TH STREET TO WHICH THE ONLY THING THAT THEY AGREED OR COULD SEE POTENTIALLY US DOING IS JUST AN EXIT ONLY RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE OFF ONTO 11TH STREET TO HIT SEAWALL. 
          I THINK THAT THE CUSTOMERS PARKING ON THE STREET I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE. 
          ONE OTHER REASON BEING THAT WE ARE PROVIDING MORE PARKING THAN IS REQUIRED GIVEN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE HAVE. 
          THEN I NOTICED THIS IS DIFFICULT TO SEE SO IF YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP CLICKING, THEN THERE'S LIKE CLOSER VIEWS OF, SO THERE IS THE BUILDING. 
          THERE ARE OTHER DESIGN FACTORS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WANTING TO INCLUDE, SUCH AS THAT SMALL PARK THAT IS NEAR THAT FRONT CORNER. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE PATIO SPACE THAT IS OVERLOOKING THE PARK AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING THERE IS THAT'S THE CLOSE-UP OF THE PARKING LOT. 
          THEN LIKE A COURTYARD AREA FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE AWAITING AND A LITTLE TO GO HOUSE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHY DO WE WANT COMMERCIAL VERSUS UN? 
          >> [INAUDIBLE]? 
          >> WE'LL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE ACCESS AND THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION HERE ON THE DRAWING. 
          RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE ACCESS ON 12TH STREET, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE, I THINK TO HAVE YOUR ACCESS ON 11TH STREET BECAUSE 12TH STREET YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND THEIR RESIDENCE IS RIGHT THERE ON 12TH STREET BETWEEN HUMAN HALF AT AVENUE IN. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS THAT A RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'LL ONLY BE AN EXIT OR COULD YOU ACTUALLY USE 11TH STREET FOR ACCESS? 
          >> WE DID DISCUSS BOTH OPTIONS. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH 11TH STREET IS THAT THAT BLOCK IS SO SHORT, SO YOU'RE HAVING PEOPLE TURNING RIGHT FROM SEAWALL AND THEN IMMEDIATELY INTO THE PARKING LOT AND THAT WAS THE CONCERN AND OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T WANT IT OFF OF M AND A HALF STREET, THE REAR SO. 
          >> BECAUSE IT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION HERE YOU'VE GOT HALF A DOZEN HOMES RIGHT THERE ON 12TH STREET. 
          WHAT ARE THE PROPOSED HOURS OF THE RESTAURANT? 
          >> THAT I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> ELEVEN AND 10. 
          >> THANK YOU. THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY EYE THERE, IS JUST YOU'VE GOT HALF A DOZEN HOMES THERE ON 12TH STREET. THANK YOU. 
          >> WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP IN MIND QUEUING. 
          IF THERE'S A LINE OF CARS WANTING TO WAIT TO TURN INTO THE PARKING LOT THAT WOULD BE WAY MORE CONFLICTING ON 11TH STREET BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SPACE. 
          >> THAT WOULD IT BE A GOOD SIGN FOR KATIE'S A PATH WAITING TO GET IN? 
          >> YES IT WOULD? 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR. MR. [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> YOU ADDRESSED MY QUESTION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REASON FOR THE REZONING AND I BELIEVE WHAT SHE SAID WAS WITHIN THE UN, TIM WOULD HAVE TO GIVE APPROVAL. 
          IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THAT AND THEN I'LL COME BACK. 
          >> WITHIN THE UN THIS, WE WOULD TREAT IT AS AN INCIDENTAL TO MENUS PARKING LOT, SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ALLOWABLE WITH LIMITATIONS I THINK IT'S LIMITED STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT IT NONETHELESS ALLOWABLE. 
          THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW, IT DOESN'T NEED TO COME. 
          >> SO AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S PERMITTED? 
          >> CORRECT. 
          >> IT'S NOT LIMITED. 
          >> IN THE UN, IT'S NOT LIMITED? I DON'T HAVE THE TABLE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, I COULD CERTAINLY LOOK THAT UP, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS IT'S A LIMITED USE IN THE COMMERCIAL AND THE UN DISTRICT. 
          AS LONG AS THE LIMITATIONS ARE MET, THEN IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE APPROACH. 
          >> MY QUESTION IS, DO WE REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING HERE? I ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE ONCE YOU CHANGE THE ZONING, IT OPENS UP A WHOLE LOT OF MORE USES THAT CAN GO ONTO THIS PROPERTY. 
          WHEN YOU USE THE WORD CONCEPTUAL, THAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE CONCEPTUAL THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME. 
          IT'S CONCEPT AND THEN THE FINAL IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE CONCEPTUAL. 
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AGAIN, I LOVED THE PROJECT. 
          I WANT TO SEE KATIE'S RESTAURANT HERE, BUT I AM CONCERNED WHEN WE DO ZONING CHANGES BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE MAY NOT WANT ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          >> IF I MAY ADD, COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI, IN ADDITION TO EXTENDING THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION ALL THE WAY TO M 1/2, IT ALSO PROVIDES THE HDDZ OVERLAY, WHICH IT'S NOT CURRENTLY THERE. 
          AS YOU KNOW, HDDZ PROVIDES FURTHER PROTECTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          >> AGAIN, I'M ALL FOR IT. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN THIS PROPERTY IN FRONT OF US BEFORE AND THERE WAS A GAS STATION THERE AND WE DIDN'T WANT A GAS STATION THERE. 
          THE ONLY REASON WE DON'T HAVE A GAS STATION THERE NOW IS BECAUSE IT WAS A UN AND THEY HAD TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. 
          >> WELL, THEY COULD HAVE DONE A GAS STATION WHEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHICH THEY HAVE ALREADY, AS LONG AS THEY MET THE STANDARDS. 
          THEY'VE DECIDED NOT TO, THAT'S A DIFFERENT APPROACH THEY TOOK, BUT CERTAINLY IT COULD BE DONE PROVIDED THEY MEET THE STANDARDS. 
          >> MAYBE I REMEMBER THAT CASE WRONG WHERE BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY WAS UN, THEY WERE WITHIN SO MANY FEET AND THERE WAS SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THEY COULD DO THERE. 
          >> CERTAIN LIMITATIONS TYPICALLY. 
          >> REALLY, MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL. 
          THE APPLICANT CAN DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS WITH THAT PROPERTY AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED. 
          WHY DO WE REALLY WANT TO CHANGE THIS? 
          >> CAN I JUST? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I'M BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A SECOND AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD AND THE REASONS BEHIND IT. 
          I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT EACH CASE THAT'S PRESENTED TO IT IS AN INDIVIDUAL CASE AND SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE BASED ON SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY HAD OR HAD NOT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. 
          [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> THIS IS NOT A PAST THING, THIS IS A FUTURE THING. 
          >> HOWEVER, WITH ANY CASE THAT COMES TO THE COMMISSION INVOLVING THE CHANGE OF ZONING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT INVOLVES TO A COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE SAME ARGUMENT. 
          WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING. 
          EVEN WITH THE CHANGE IN ZONING, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS ASSOCIATED, WHEN A PLAN COMES BACK TO THEM FOR REVIEW, ARE GOING TO BE REVIEWED IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S EITHER APPLICABLE FOR THAT AREA AND DEFINITELY WHAT'S PERMITTED IN THAT AREA. 
          THERE'S STILL OTHER AREAS OF REVIEW. 
          I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GET INTO A PUSH AND PULL, I JUST WANT THE COMMISSION TO BE AWARE THAT THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PRESENTING AND IT NEEDS TO STAY WITHIN THAT ATMOSPHERE, SO TO SPEAK, OR THAT REALM. 
          WE'VE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS WHERE FOLKS GO OUTSIDE, WELL, IT COULD BE THIS, IT COULD BE THAT, IT COULD BE THAT. I GET IT. 
          >> BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          WHEN YOU CHANGE ZONING, YOU ARE OPENING UP A WHOLE LOT MORE USES TO A PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN YOU GO FROM A UN TO A COMMERCIAL ZONE, AND SO YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          YOU HAVE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, WHY DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THIS TO THE ZONING THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING? BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE SUITABLE ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING. 
          [OVERLAPPING] I THINK I'M ASKING YOU A VERY VALID QUESTION WHEN I ASK THIS QUESTION, WHY DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING WHEN YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE PRESENTING HERE ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY WITH THE EXISTING ZONING? 
          >> I GUESS MY POINT IS YOU DID ASK IT AND I HEARD THE APPLICANT ANSWER IT. 
          [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> I DON'T THINK I GOT AN ANSWER. 
          >> CAN I INTERRUPT HIM, MATE? I ASKED A QUESTION, MIGHT BE GERMAINE IS ANSWERING. 
          >> SORRY. 
          >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> MAYBE I MISSED IT. WOULD YOU RESTATE WHY YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING AND WHY YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY WITH THE EXISTING ZONING? 
          >> ESSENTIALLY, WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS THAT THE PARKING USE THAT WE WANT TO PLACE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN 
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THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS VERSUS AS IT IS NOW WITH THE LIMITED USE. 
          >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD FROM THE STAFF. 
          I HEARD THAT IT WAS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN UN. 
          >> NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE SAID IT ALL. 
          WE SAID THAT IT'S A LIMITED CONDITION AND PROVIDED IT MEETS THE LIMITED STANDARDS. 
          [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> LIMITED CONDITION OR PERMITTED? [OVERLAPPING]. 
          >> IT'S A LIMITED USE IN THE UN. 
          IT'S A PARKING LOT INCIDENTAL TO THE MAIN USE, WHICH WOULD BE THE RESTAURANT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF THE PARCEL. 
          NOW, THIS WOULD BE IN THE UN SIDE OF THE PARCEL WHICH WOULD BE A LIMITED USE AS THE PARKING LOT INCIDENTAL TO A MAIN USE. 
          >> DO YOU-ALL MEET ALL OF THE LIMITED USE STANDARDS WITH WHAT YOU-ALL WANT TO DO? 
          >> YES. 
          >> THEY SHOULD. MOST OF THE LIMITED USE STANDARDS WOULD BE MORE GEARED TOWARDS AN ACTUAL PARKING STRUCTURE BECAUSE THAT USE IS ACTUALLY COUPLED WITH A STRUCTURE TYPE OF USE AS WELL. 
          IT'S PARKING LOT INCIDENTAL TO OR STRUCTURE, SO THE LIMITED USE STANDARDS ARE MAINLY GEARED TOWARDS THE STRUCTURE PORTION OF THE USE. 
          >> AGAIN, I ASK THE QUESTION, YOU ARE MEETING ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO PUT A PARKING LOT THERE WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONING, SO WHY DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT? 
          >> TO HAVE CONSISTENT ZONING THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND WHERE THE PROJECT IS BEING LOCATED. 
          >> DOES THAT HELP? WHAT DOES THAT HELP WITH? 
          >> IN OUR PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETINGS AND WHENEVER ZONING CAME UP AND WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS ADVISED TO PROCEED WITH TO HAVE A CLEANER DEVELOPMENT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD WITH BUILDING PLANS AND ALL OF THAT. 
          TO CREATE A CONSISTENT ZONING ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY MOVING FORWARD, THAT WAS THE INTENT BEHIND WHY WE APPLIED. 
          >> THIS IS MAINLY A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF LEVEL OR THE CITY WHEN YOU-ALL PRESENTED YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN? 
          >> RIGHT. 
          >> THIS IS A VERY UNCOMMON SITUATION, COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI. 
          IF WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ZONING MAP FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER AND YOU'RE GOING TO FIND VERY FEW LOTS IN THIS VERY SITUATION. 
          >> I AGREE 100%, YES. 
          >> THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION, THEREFORE IT CREATES A MORE CONSISTENT PATTERN. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REASON WHY THIS IS BEING MOVED FORWARD. 
          >> I'M GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWERS. 
          >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU SAID THERE'S A UTILITY LINE THAT'S STILL THERE. 
          I THOUGHT PART OF THE DEAL WAS THEY HAD TO REMOVE THAT. 
          >> NO. 
          >> NO, NOT ON THIS DEAL? 
          >> THEY SAID TO MAINTAIN AN EASEMENT, WHICH THEY HAVE. 
          >> THERE HAS AN EASEMENT. HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THERE? 
          >> THERE ARE 69 SPACES PROVIDED. 
          >> SIXTY-NINE. THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO COME SPEAK ON THIS? HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, HERE HE COMES. 
          >> THE MAN WITH THE ANSWERS. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> BUDDY, RIGHT? 
          >> YES. I WAS CRAWLING OUT OF MY CHAIR TO GET UP HERE. 
          [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT GOING TO BUILD A GAS STATION. 
          MY DAD WENT OVER ON SEAWALL AND BROADWAY AND I GREW UP IN A GAS STATION ON GAUSS AND I'M NOT INTERESTED [LAUGHTER]. 
          WHAT I AM INTERESTED IN IS A FAMILY BUSINESS THAT MODELS AFTER THE GUIDE OR FAMILY BUSINESS. 
          SOMETHING THAT'LL BE THERE LONG AFTER I'M NOT HERE. 
          UNLESS MY CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE DESIGN TO BUILD A MUSEUM OR A ROLLER COASTER OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IS A ONE STORY PARKING LOT. 
          THE ZONING PART OF IT. 
          I WAS TOLD BY FOLKS THAT ARE WAY SMARTER THAN ME THAT IF I DO IT CONSISTENTLY, IT'LL BE EASIER JOB. 
          I DID BUILD A BUILDING IN GALVESTON THAT WAS NOT AN EASY JOB BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THINGS COMING INTO IT THAT I WAS TOLD TO DO. 
          SO I ENDED UP GOING BACK MANY TIMES AND SPENDING MAYBE A THIRD MORE REVENUE ON THE PROJECT. 
          THIS TIME, I'M LOOKING OUT AND LISTENING TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE BIGGER BRAINS THAN ME. 
          >> UNDERSTAND. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COSTS ALL THE WAY THROUGH COMING INTO IT. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. 
          I'LL GUARANTEE YOU FOR MY LIFETIME, THERE WILL NOT BE A GAS STATION THERE. 
          >>THAT WORKS FOR ME. 
          >> I PLAN ON LIVING A LONG TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU, BUDDY. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. 
          I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER. 
          >> I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. I HAVE NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER 
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THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO. 
          YOUR REQUEST DOES CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF A WRINKLE, BUT IN REGARD TO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO, I DON'T HAVE A DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. 
          PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN-IN, PLEASE. 
          >> OKAY. MY NAME IS RICHARD BENSON. 
          WHEN I BOUGHT A BUNCH OF PROPERTY ON HIM AND A HALF BACK IN THE '90S, AND RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME WAS AN EIGHT UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX, A HOUSE, A HOUSE, AND THEN VACANT LAND, AND THEN ANOTHER HOUSE. 
          WELL, SUBSEQUENTLY, THEY'VE TORN ALL THAT DOWN. 
          THAT IS WHAT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU AN AREA THAT YOU GOT THERE. 
          IF I KNEW FOREVER THAT THIS WOULD BE JUST LIKE THIS, I'D HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH. 
          IT LOOKS REALLY NICE, BUT THE PROBLEM IS IF YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING WITHOUT MAKING A ZONING CHANGE, AND I WOULDN'T MAKE A ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IN 15 YEARS IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GO, I'M TIRED OF COOKING RED FISH, I'M JUST GOING TO SELL THIS AND LEAVE AND GO RETIRE IN FLORIDA. 
          AND SOMEONE DOES THAT AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY BUYS IT AND GOES, OH, I GOT ALL COMMERCIAL. 
          LET'S MOVE THIS DOWN, AND YOU BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S BLOCKING ALL OF OUR VIEWS. 
          IT PUTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE OF US THAT OWN PROPERTY ALL AROUND THERE, IT PUTS US IN A VERY CURIOUS SITUATION THAT WE CAN MORE OR LESS NEGOTIATE WHAT GOES THERE. 
          YOU MIGHT SAY, HAVE SOME MORE INPUT. 
          KEEPING IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, HALF THAT LOT REALLY MAKES IT NICE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE ANY CHANGES IN ORDER TO PUT A PARKING LOT THERE, WHICH IS REALLY NICE. 
          I WENT OVER TO FISH TAILS BEFORE I CAME HERE. 
          I WANTED TO DRIVE AROUND THAT AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THIS WOULD BE. 
          IT WAS VERY NICE. 
          I MEAN, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE WERE FISH TAILS, NO FENCING ALL AROUND. 
          THERE WAS LANDSCAPING PARAMETER ALL AROUND. 
          THE HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. VERY BEAUTIFUL. 
          THEY ALL HAVE THEIR NICE VIEWS AND EVERYTHING. 
          THEY ALL GET A GOOD BREEZE. 
          EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT. 
          IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL, IF IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT, THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT THE FEAR IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN LATER ON IN OUR LIFE. 
          ANYWAY, I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAYBE KEEP IT AS IS AND THEN LET HIM BUILD IT JUST LIKE THIS. 
          I MEAN, I'VE GOT THIS GAP, THE DRAWING, LOOKS GREAT TO ME. 
          I THINK IT'S REALLY WONDERFUL. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO KEEP THAT PARKING LOT BECAUSE IF THERE IS NO NEED TO CHANGE IT, THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO CHANGE IT. 
          LET'S JUST DEVELOP IT JUST LIKE THAT AND KEEP IT REAL NICE. 
          THAT WAY AGAIN, YEARS DOWN THE LINE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, THIS IS NICE. 
          OR THEY DON'T LOOK AT INTEREST RATES RIGHT NOW WHICH ARE JUMPING UP AND UP AND UP. 
          NEXT THING YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME IT'S ALL APPROVED, IT'S 10 PERCENT. 
          IT'S LIKE, MAN, WE CAN'T DO THIS. 
          OH, BUT IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL. 
          LET'S JUST FLIP THE LAND AND MAKE SOME MONEY. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH THAT EITHER. THANKS. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 4:54 AND BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST FOR 23P-072. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DENIAL OF THE REQUEST. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? 
          >> OKAY. SPECIFICALLY, IT WOULD TURN TO OUR BRAINIAC DOWN HERE ON THIS ONE. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING THAT IS BEING RESTRICTIVE FOR THIS BEING A PARKING LOT, BEING ZONED AS IT IS NOW? 
          >> AS I STATED BEFORE THE UN ALLOWS FOR A PARKING LOT OR STRUCTURE INCIDENTAL TO A MAIN USE. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          PARKING LOT INCIDENT UNTIL MAIN USE IN THIS CASE THE KT SEAFOOD RESTAURANT. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE UN ALSO DOES ALLOW FOR CERTAIN COMMERCIAL USES AS WELL. 
          IN ADDITION TO THE EXTENSION OF THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO THE MN HALF BOUNDARY, IT ALSO EXTENDS THE HDDZ OVERLAY, WHICH PROVIDES ADDITIONAL PROTECTION TO THE RESIDENTS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. 
          >> YEAH. IT WOULD MEAN THAT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION WOULD APPLY IF WE PUT IT OUT ALL TO MN HALF. 
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IT WOULD HAVE THE HIGH RESTRICTION. 
          >> NOT ONLY HIGH RESTRICTION, BUT ALSO AN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THEY MUST ADHERE TO BASED ON THE HDDZ CRITERIA. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> YEAH. THAT'S IF WE WERE CHANGED, OF COURSE. 
          I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          >> SURE. GO AHEAD. 
          >> THIS LOOKS REALLY AWESOME AND I CAN'T WAIT TO COME HERE, BUT YOUR PLANS CHANGE, CHILDREN MOVE, AND DON'T COME BACK ALL THE TIME. 
          THE CURRENT ZONING HELPS TO MAINTAIN A HURDLE THAT WILL PROVIDE FOR MORE DISCUSSION OR INPUT FOR WHAT CAN GO IN THAT AREA. 
          THEY'RE ABLE TO DO IT. THEY'RE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THEIR CURRENT PLAN BASED ON HOW IT IS LAID OUT NOW. 
          I DON'T SEE WHY CHANGING IT WOULD DO ANYTHING BETTER. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> I'D JUST AGAIN, BUDDY, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO. 
          HOWEVER, THIS IS A PERMANENT CHANGE TO THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          YOU KNOW HOW EFFICIENT IS, YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GO 70 MILES EAST AND YOU END UP 30 MILES WEST. 
          PLANS CHANGE. 
          THIS WOULD MAKE A GREAT HOTEL SITE. 
          THAT'S MY FEAR. 
          AND IT PEERS SINCE IT IS A LIMITED USE AND IT UNDER THE UN, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC. 
          HE'S GOT CRITERIA THAT HE CAN MEET TO GET THAT JUST PARKING LOT DONE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET YOUR PARKING LOT DONE AND GET YOUR RESTAURANT DONE. 
          I THINK IT'D BE GREAT. 
          I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE SHRIMP BOAT PARK, BUT I JUST CAN'T. 
          I'M IN THE CAMP OF IT IS A PERMANENT CHANGE TO MAKE THE WHOLE TRACK COMMERCIAL. 
          THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, IF NOT, WE'LL BRING IT BACK. 
          DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? 
          >> NO. 
          >> OKAY. LET'S HAVE A VOTE. 
          THIS IS A VOTE TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          THAT WOULD BE UNANIMOUS. 
          THAT REQUEST IS DENIED. 
          >> WELL, IT'S RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL. 
          >> RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL, AND IT DOES GO TO. 
          >> I'D LIKE TO STAY FOR THE RECORD THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES FUN OF DETERMINATION REGARDING HDDZ ZONING. 
          THE COUNCIL WE HEARD THIS REZONING REQUEST OF THE OCTOBER 26 MEETING. THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. NOW, ONTO LANDMARK. 
          ARE WE THERE TO LANDMARK? JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF AGAIN. 
          >> YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> MA'AM. 
          >> YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK TWO COMMISSIONERS. 
          >> YEAH. LET'S LET'S TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK. 
          [BACKGROUND] THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
          WE'LL GET THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER AGAIN. 
          [LAUGHTER] SO WE'RE ON ITEM C1. 
          [7.C.1. 23P-067 (3427 Avenue O) Request For Designation As A Galveston Landmark. The Property Is Legally Described As M.B. Menard Survey, Lots 1 And 2, Northwest Block 62, Galveston Outlots, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Virginia Adams, Galveston Garden Club Property Owner: Galveston Garden Club]
THAT'D BE 23P-067. 
          WE'RE READY FOR SOME FUN STUFF FOR IT. 
          >> YEAH. BRING IT ON, DANIEL. 
          >> WE WILL KEEP THIS BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ARE WAITING TO TALK ABOUT THEIR STUFF. 
          23P-067, THIS IS AT 3427 AVENUE O. 
          [INAUDIBLE] THE SAME ONE WE'RE TURNING ONE IN FAVOR THIS IS A REQUEST FOR GALVESTON LANDMARK DESIGNATION. 
          PRETTY IMPORTANT HOUSE IN GALVESTON'S HISTORY. 
          THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT, OF COURSE. 
          THIS ONE WAS THE POWHATAN HOUSE AND HOTEL ORIGINALLY BUILT BY JOHN SEABROOK SYDNOR, WHO WAS A BUSINESS OWNER, COMMUNITY ADVOCATE, PUBLIC SERVANT, WAS ONE OF THE OLDER MEN, SERVED AS MAYOR OF GALVESTON FOR A TIME, OWNED MULTIPLE BUSINESSES AS WELL. 
          HE'S ACTUALLY BURIED IN THE OLEANDER CEMETERY IN BROADWAY, SO HE'S STILL WITH US IN A WAY. 
          THIS HOUSE ORIGINALLY STARTED OUT WHERE THE BRYAN MUSEUM IS NOW. 
          IT WAS FOR A TIME A ORPHANAGE AS WELL. 
          WHEN THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR DEMOLITION, ONE OF THE RELATIVES OF THE MOODY FAMILY, CAROLYN ISLAMABAD, BOUGHT IT FROM THE OWNER AT THE TIME WITH HELP OF AN ARCHITECT, SPLIT IT UP INTO THREE PROPERTIES. 
          THIS IS ONE. THE OTHER ONE IS JUST SOUTH ON THE SAME STREET. 
          THE THIRD ONE, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, BECAUSE OF ITS ASSOCIATION WITH THE SID NORRIS AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO OWNED IT LATER SUCH AS MS. WILLIS LAD WERE REALLY TO THE MOODY'S AND ITS INTEGRITY OUTSIDE, 
          [01:30:03]
INSIDE, STILL VERY HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. 
          THIS IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE FOR A LANDMARK. 
          IT'S ON THE HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY AND I BELIEVE IT'S SAY A NATIONAL REGISTER HOUSE AND I THINK IT HAS A TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION MARKER AS WELL SO OF COURSE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. 
          LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THEIR OCTOBER 2ND MEETING. 
          OF COURSE, COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY IN OCTOBER 26TH. WE HAVE A PHOTO HERE. 
          WE HAVE THE PHOTO, THE ONE PART OF THE HOUSE, "MAIN PART." NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH, AND TO THE WEST AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. 
          WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THESE, CORRECT? YES. WE'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. 
          ANYONE HERE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IS THE APPLICANT HERE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> MOTION THAT WE APPROVE 23P-067. 
          >> SECOND. 
          >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 23P-067. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE WE'LL TALK A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 23P-067 IS PASSED. 
          THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO 23P-070, ITEM C2. 
          [7.C.2. 23P-070 (3716 Avenue O 1/2) Request For Designation As A Galveston Landmark. The Property Is Legally Described As M.B. Menard Survey, West 19-5 Feet Of Lot 11 And East 32-1.5 Feet Of Lot 12 (1011-1), Northeast Block 60, Galveston Outlots, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Nancy Austin Fatheree Property Owners: James Loyd Fatheree, Jr. & Nancy A. Fatheree]
          >> ANOTHER LANDMARK, ANOTHER VERY FUN ONE IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          3716 AVENUE, 0.5 32 PUBLIC NOTICES SENT AND THEN THOSE RETURNED. 
          THIS HOUSE WE'RE CALLING THE CURRENT ROBINSON HOUSE, ORIGINALLY FROM NORTH CAROLINA, THOMAS AND BESSIE KIRK HAD THIS TWO-STORY QUEEN ANNE-STYLE HOUSE BUILT AROUND 1899. 
          THOMAS KIRK WAS AN EDUCATOR AND SERVED AS PRINCIPAL OF THE DENVER RESURVEY SCHOOL CAMPUS AFTER TEACHING IN HOUSTON IN WACO. 
          BESSIE WAS A DAUGHTER OF DR. AND MRS. WILLIAM WILSON. 
          THEY RECENTLY MOVED TO DALLAS, NORTH CAROLINA. 
          THIS HOUSE WAS DESIGNED BY CHARLES BULGUR WHO'S ONE OF OUR LOCAL ARCHITECTS FROM BACK IN THE DAY, HE WAS A CONTEMPORARY OF A NICHOLAS CLAYTON, I BELIEVE, WAS BUILT BY A CONTRACTOR OLIVER MALES, WHO WAS PARTNERED WITH DEAN WILSON AND COMPANY LUMBER YARD RIGHT IN 1,900 STORM. 
          BUT AFTERWARDS, THE KIRKS RELOCATED TO FLORIDA AND THE HOUSES BRIEFLY OWNED BY ANOTHER PERSON. 
          AFTER THAT, THE HOUSE WAS OWNED BY HAROLD AND MOD ROBINSON, WHO OWNED THE HOUSE FOR 69 YEARS. 
          THE FAMILY WAS ORIGINALLY FROM ENGLAND, BUT HAROLD MOVED TO THE US BY 1896 AND THEN LATER TO GALVESTON BAY, 1899. 
          HE WORKED FOR THE SANTA FE RAILROAD. 
          THE ROBINSONS WERE BOTH ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND SOME MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. 
          AFTER PASSING THE OTHER ROBINSON FAMILY AROUND 1973, THE CURRENT OWNER AND FAMILY DESCENDANT OF THE ROBINSONS PURCHASED A HOME IN 2020, WHICH IS NEAT. 
          ROBINSON HOUSE WAS A PAIR OF NIGHT WINTER, STORM, ELECTRIC LIGHTNING, AND OTHER THINGS DONE BUT OTHERWISE, THE HOUSE LOOKS PRETTY MUCH LIKE IT DID IN 1900S. 
          WE WILL SEE SOME HISTORIC PHOTOS. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICT LIKE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION IS ELIGIBLE FOR FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR PUBLIC HISTORIC PROPERTIES I'M SORRY, IN GALVESTON LANDMARKS. 
          ONCE AGAIN, LANDMARK COMMISSION RECOMMENDED REQUESTS TO THEIR OCTOBER 2ND MEETING AND COUNSEL WILL HAVE THE FINAL DECISION ON THE OCTOBER 26TH MEETING. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, OF COURSE, AS WELL, AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. 
          SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          HERE ARE THE OTHER PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH, TO THE WEST AND FINALLY, WE HAVE A HISTORIC PHOTO PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT YOU'LL SEE LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW THE HOUSE LOOKS TODAY. 
          THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:10. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR HOME? [LAUGHTER] YOU DO ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE US THE READER'S DIGEST VERSION. 
          >> WE ARE VERY PROUD OF HER AND IT'S NICE TO HAVE HER BACK IN THE FAMILY. 
          WE SPENT ABOUT THREE YEARS, YET THEY'RE PRETTY CUTE AND THE FAMILY SURVIVED THE 1,900 STORM IN ANOTHER HOUSE AND THEN BOUGHT THIS ONE, WHICH STANDS STILL SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S PRETTY COOL. YOU GOT THAT BACK. 
          >> IT'S BEEN FUN. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE HERE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? 
          >> I'D LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENT 
          >> CERTAINLY. 
          >> I'D LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF THAT HOUSE. 
          I WAS FRIENDS WITH MR. GARZA AND MR. HUNTER WHEN THEY OWNED THAT HOUSE JESSE WAS A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. 
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          >> WELL, HE KEPT YOU BEAUTIFULLY INSIDE. 
          >> GLAD TO HEAR IT. 
          >> HE LOVED TO DECORATE CHRISTMAS, EASTER, HALLOWEEN, THANKSGIVING. 
          IT WAS ALWAYS DECORATED FOR EVERY HOLIDAY. 
          BUT I HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF THAT HOUSE. 
          LOTS OF CHRISTMASES AND THANKSGIVINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SPENT THERE WITH JESSE AND FLOYD SO YEAH. 
          >> SPENT THE FIRST 21 THANKSGIVINGS OF MY LIFE IN THERE. 
          [LAUGHTER] YES AND FLOYD. 
          >> THERE WERE REALLY GOOD PARTIES THERE. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. 
          REALLY GOOD PARTIES [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY DECORATIONS BUT WE DID SAVE A FEW. 
          [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          >> WE'LL BRING THIS BACK TO A CLOSE IN PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL AS A LANDMARK 23P-070. 
          >> I'LL SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL FOR 23P-070. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE WILL TAKE THE VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 23P-070 IS APPROVED. 
          MOVING ON 23P-071. 
          [7.C.3. 23P-071 (1211 Church/Avenue F) Request For Designation As A Galveston Landmark. The Property Is Legally Described As M.B. Menard Survey, Lot 5 And East Half Of Lot 4, Block 372, In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicants And Property Owners: Sally Sue Robinson And Kathleen M. Tiernan]
          >> THIS IS 1211 CHURCH. 
          IT'S ALSO A REQUEST FOR DESIGNATION AS A GALVESTON LANDMARK, 28 NOTICES PERCENT, THREE RETURN TO THOSE THREE AND FAVOR. 
          THE ALEXANDER AND MARY CATHERINE EFFORT HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1873 AND EXPANDED IN 1880 AND 1888. 
          THE EARLIEST INSURANCE BOARD RECORD FOR THE HOUSE DATED FEBRUARY OF 1886 DESCRIBES THE SIX ROOM DWELLING WITH THE KITCHEN, PANTRY, BATHROOM AND TWO CLOSETS THE EFFORT FAMILY MAINTAINED OWNERSHIP OF THE HOUSE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. 
          AS A RESULT, AS THE FAMILIES LENGTHY OWNERSHIP, VERY FEW CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE BUILDING AND I THINK ONE OF THE FUN FACTS ON THIS ONE IS THAT THE CURRENT OWNERS ARE THE FIRST OWNERS OUTSIDE OF THE FAMILY THAT ORIGINALLY BUILT IT. 
          THAT FAMILY OWNED IT FOR 100 YEARS AND THEN THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE OWNED IT SINCE THEN SO THAT IS A TOTAL OF 150 YEARS. 
          THE ALEXANDRA AND MARY CATHERINE HOUSE RETAINS ALL ASPECTS OF INTEGRITY. 
          THAT PROPERTY WAS REVIEWED BY THE LANDMARK COMMISSION YESTERDAY. 
          THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. 
          CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION REGARDING REQUESTS FOR GALVESTON LANDMARKS AND THAT WILL BE HEARD ON OCTOBER 26TH. 
          STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. 
          THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND NOW WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU. CATHERINE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:15. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> HI. I'M KATHY TYRANNY AND I'M ONE OF THE APPLICANTS. 
          AS IT WAS STATED, WE WERE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE LIVELY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE EFFORTS BEFORE WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THE HOUSE. 
          THEY WERE ANXIOUS TO GO. 
          THE YOUNGEST DAUGHTER OF THE YOUNGEST DAUGHTER TAUGHT AT ROSENBERG ELEMENTARY AND SHE HAD A NICE TAKEN CARE OF HER IN HER LAST DAYS AND HER NIECE WANTED TO GET BACK TO PLANO AS FAST AS SHE COULD. 
          WE WERE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF FURNISHINGS AND TRUNKS AND THINGS FROM THE FAMILY. 
          IT'S LOVELY AND IT DIDN'T NEED TO REALLY BE CHANGED TOO MUCH AT ALL. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU MIND COMING BACK IN SIGNING ANOTHER FIVE? 
          >> SORRY. 
          >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          >> THAT'S MY JOB TO ASK YOU TO DO THAT. 
          >> IT'S MY FAULT. 
          >> I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR PICTURE WHEN YOU VOTE SO GET READY. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> THERE'S ALREADY ONE AT THE POST OFFICE. 
          [LAUGHTER] WE'LL BRING THIS ITEM BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          >> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          LET'S SEE HERE. 23P-071. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 23P-071. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE THOSE, IN FAVOR AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          23P-071 IS APPROVED. 
          MOVING ON TO D1. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON 
          [7.D.1. 23P-064 (Vacant Tracts Located North And South Of East Beach Drive, West Of Apffel Park Drive, And South Of Seawall Boulevard) Request For A Planned Unit Development (PUD) Overlay District For A Residential Development With Amenities. Properties Are Legally Described As The M.B. Menard Survey, Portion Of Reserve A (1-1), Grand Beach; M.B. Menard Survey, Portion Of Reserve A (1-3), Grand Beach; M.B. Menard Survey, Reserve B, Grand Beach; M.B. Menard Survey, Portion Of Abandoned Stewart Beach Drive (0-2), Lying Northwest Of Reserve A, Grand Beach; Estates Of Grand Beach Replat (2016), Abstract 628, Lot 1, Acres 11.288; In The City And County Of Galveston, Texas. Applicant: Gus Knebel Property Owners: RREAF Grand Beach Development, LP.]
THIS AND YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO DO THAT. 
          JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. 
          WE DO WANT TO HEAR ALL OF THEM. 
          THEY DO MATTER TO US. 
          THEY DO AFFECT THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED ON THAT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND I PROMISE I'LL TRY NOT TO RUSH THROUGH THIS ONE. CATHERINE. 
          [01:40:01]
          >> THIS IS CASE 23P-064. 
          IT'S VACANT TRACKS LOCATED NORTH AND SOUTH OF EAST BEACH DRIVE, WEST OF BALLPARK DRIVE AND SOUTH OF SEEWALL BOULEVARD. 
          THE REQUEST IS FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUT OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH AMENITIES. 
          A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE NOTICES WERE SENT AND YOU'VE RECEIVED YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT REPORT EARLY THIS AFTERNOON AND AT THAT TIME, 33 NOTICES HAD BEEN RETURNED IN OPPOSITION. 
          SINCE THAT WAS PUBLISHED, WE HAVE RECEIVED 44 ADDITIONAL NOTICES IN OPPOSITION, SO THAT IS A TOTAL OF 77 AND THAT'S WITHIN THE 200 FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA. 
          OUTSIDE OF THE 200-FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA, WE HAVE RECEIVED PUBLIC NOTICES AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS 20 AT THE TIME OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT REPORT AND THEN SINCE THEN, EIGHT ADDITIONAL HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, SO A TOTAL OF 28 AND THEN ADDITIONAL GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED AND PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION. 
          CITY DEPARTMENT NOTIFICATIONS, NO OBJECTIONS WITH COMMENT FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          REDUCTION OF STREETS SIZES SHOULD BE EVALUATED AGAINST CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS. 
          CHAPTER 5 IN APPENDIX D OF THE FIRE CODE PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. 
          SUMMARY. WE HAVE REQUEST IS TO INCORPORATE A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT BUT OVERLAY DISTRICT TO THE COMMERCIAL AND RESORT RECREATION BASED ZONING DISTRICTS TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMPRISED OF 278 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS AND WITH AMENITIES. 
          THE INTENT OF THIS PART REQUEST IS TO ONE, DEVIATE FROM THE LOT DEPTH REQUIREMENT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT. 
          TWO, TO DEVIATE FROM THE LOT AREA REQUIREMENT AND THE RESORT RECORD ZONING DISTRICT AND THREE, ALLOW FOR PRIVATE STREETS WITH THE REDUCED RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH. 
          THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED NORTH AND SOUTH OF EAST BEACH DRIVE AND IT'S COMPRISED OF 63.474 ACRES. 
          THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND SEVERAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS TO THE EAST. 
          THE TRACKS TO THE NORTH AND EAST ARE UNDEVELOPED. 
          THE APPLICANT INDICATES THAT THERE ARE WETLAND AREAS ON THE SITE THAT SHALL BE PRESERVED. 
          PLEASE NOTE, THE CITY OF GALVESTON DOES NOT REGULATE WETLANDS AND ANY MODIFICATION OF THE WETLANDS REQUIRES APPROVAL FROM THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. 
          PLEASE NOTE THE PART DETAILS AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ALONG WITH CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDATION. 
          STAFF FINDS THEIR POST DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CONTRARY TO THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE 2011 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'D SEE ABOVE REFERENCE CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE OUT OF SCALE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND IT REINFORCES THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTS THE CONTINUED NEED TO FURTHER HOUSING OPTIONS ON THE ISLAND AND TOURIST ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE DEVIATIONS DO NOT CREATE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE AREA FOR BEACH TOWN LOCATED TO THE EAST HASN'T MIXED WITH LOT SIZES INCLUDING SMALL LOTS. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. 
          ITEMS 7 THROUGH 9 ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. 
          THIS IS AN AERIAL SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THOSE ARE OUTLINED IN BLUE. 
          THIS IS THE ZONING MAP SHOWING THAT THE PARCELS TO THE NORTH OF EAST BEACH DRIVER'S ON COMMERCIAL PARCELS TO THE SOUTH ARE ZONED ROSE ROCK. 
          WE HAVE JUST SOME EXAMPLE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THEN SOME EXAMPLE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING, AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. 
          >> THANK YOU, CATHERINE. JUST TO GET STARTED, WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER HERE AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE PUD 101 SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS PROCESS WORKS. 
          IS OUR APPLICANT AND YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON ALL THIS. 
          OUR APLICANT IS BRINGING FORWARD A PLAN BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUESTING SOME CHANGES THAT DON'T FIT THE BOX THOUGH IT IS READ REG AND COMMERCIAL. 
          THEY CAN DO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THERE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF DEVIATION HAS TO DO WITH LOT SIZES. 
          WHEN THEY BRING THE PUD FORWARD, IT'S REALLY THEIR SKETCHBOOK PLAN. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, IT'S THE VERY FIRST PART OF THEIR PROCESS. 
          THERE ARE APPROVALS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE BY MULTIPLE STAFF AT SEVERAL LEVELS. 
          THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING, JUST TO NAME A COUPLE OF THEM. 
          THOUGH THIS IS THE PUD IS THEIR OVERALL PLAN, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO GET THESE APPROVALS AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THEIR PUD WHERE THEY WOULD BRING IT BACK TO US IF IT WERE TO WORK OUT JUST LIKE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. 
          [01:45:02]
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IS THAT THEY WOULD BRING US A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WOULD SHOW US WHAT THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS AND THAT BECOMES A LITTLE MORE PERMANENT. 
          THIS IS A FLYING AT 30,000 SQUARE FEET VIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO AND IT TURNS THEM LOOSE TO GO FIGURE OUT THE REST OF THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE. 
          IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? 
          >> THAT WAS SPOT ON. [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YOU SHOULD WORK FOR A PLAN [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> NO, THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? 
          >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION. BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES IN PREVIOUS PUDS, THE LOTS THAT ARE ON THE SOUTHERNMOST THAT ARE WATER FACING, ARE THOSE LOTS ABLE TO BE BUILT ON WITHOUT INTRUDING IN THE DUNE CONSERVATION AREA? 
          >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS POINT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT THERE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE CURRENT REGULATIONS ABOUT BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION. 
          >> I KNOW IN THE PAST THE REASON WHY I'VE ASKED IT IN BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED IN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS WHERE THEY'RE ALMOST UNDEVELOPED BUBBLE. 
          >> WE HAVE SEEN SOME LOTS THAT WERE ODDLY SIZED. 
          >> YES. 
          >> BUT THESE ARE VERY REGULARLY SIZED LOTS THAT ARE VERY TYPICAL LOT PATTERN. 
          >> SECOND QUESTION. THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE THERE. 
          WHAT REDUCTION OF STREET SIZES SHOULD BE EVALUATED AGAINST CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? 
          >> WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN TO THE JETS [LAUGHTER] THAT A FIRE MARSHAL WOULD BE ABLE TO, I WOULD NOTE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL DID NOT OBJECT. 
          HE HAD NO OBJECTION WITH THIS CAVEAT THAT THE REDUCTION OF STREET, SO I JUST SHOULD BE EVALUATED. 
          BUT WE'VE MET REPEATEDLY WITH THE APPLICANTS IN CITY DEPARTMENTS, FIRE MARSHALS WELL AWARE OF THE PROJECT. 
          >> I'LL ALSO TELL YOU THAT THE STANDARDS FOR WHICH STREETS ARE DESIGNED HAS BOTH A RIGHT-OF-WAY REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS A PAVING SECTION REQUIREMENT. 
          THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS THERE. 
          IF YOU DO PRIVATE STREETS, TYPICALLY YOU ONLY [NOISE] PLOT AS SUCH THE STREET SECTION ITSELF AND YOU DO ADJACENT UTILITY EASEMENTS ALONGSIDE OF IT. 
          THAT BASICALLY EQUALS THE WIDTH OF A STANDARD PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY IF IT WERE TO BE PUBLIC. 
          IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE PLANNING THESE STREETS TO BE PRIVATE. 
          THEY REDUCE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SECTION AS SUCH DOWN TO THE WIDTH OF THE STREET, WHICH I GUESS I MIGHT NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION OF MYSELF. 
          BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S 26 FEET OF WIDTH, STANDARD PAYMENT SECTION ROAD, BACK OF CURB IS 28 FEET. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS INCLUDES THE CURBS OR NOT. 
          BUT IF IT DOES INCLUDE THE CURBS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'D BE A TWO-FOOT REDUCTION FROM WHAT'S THE TYPICAL STANDARD. 
          IF THE CURBS ARE TO BE OUTSIDE OF THAT 26 FEET, THEN IT'S BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY A 28-FOOT SECTION. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YOU SAID THESE ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE STREETS? 
          >> YES. 
          >> OUR VERY NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS BEACH ACCESS. 
          FOR THE PUBLIC PARKING, HOW MANY FEET OF BEACH ACCESS DO WE HAVE HERE THAT THERE HAS TO BE PUBLIC PARKING FOR THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? 
          >> [NOISE] I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I HIT THAT. 
          [NOISE] 
          >> IF IT'S PRIVATE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE BEACH ACCESS? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADHERE TO THE BEACH ACCESS POINT? 
          >> THAT AREA HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPENSATED FOR. 
          THERE'S VEHICULAR RESTRICTION IN THAT AREA, BUT IT IS BEING COMPENSATED. 
          THE PARKING HAS BEEN DONE BY PALISADE PALMS, THE GALVESTONIAN AND THOSE AREAS. 
          THAT AREA IS ALREADY RESTRICTED FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC. 
          THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE OFF BEACH PARKING BECAUSE VEHICLES HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESTRICTED IN THAT AREA. 
          >> I WILL ALSO ADD THAT RREAF, 
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AS THE DEVELOPER OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, HAS THEIR OWN ACCESS POINTS JUST TO THE WEST OF THIS SUBDIVISION HERE. 
          THEY PROVIDED OFF STREET PARKING. 
          >> NATURE QUESTION? 
          >> YEAH, BUT I HAVE [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> GO AHEAD, PLEASE. 
          >> I ALSO HAD ASKED EARLIER ABOUT GRAND BEACH LOT SIZE, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS SIZE, AND IS RATHER RESTRICTED TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT, CORRECT, CATHERINE? 
          >> YES. THEY'RE ZONED RESURRECTS AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE THERE IS 4,000. 
          >> IN THIS CURRENT AREA, THIS ZONE THE SAME THAT THE REQUEST IS TO MAKE THE LOT SIZE IS A LOT SMALLER FROM THE NEIGHBORING NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          >> THE REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> CERTAINLY. 
          >> PROBABLY QUESTION FOR CATHERINE. 
          I SEE THE [NOISE] ELEVATIONS OF THE HOUSE DESIGN HERE IN THE PACKET. 
          WITHIN A PUD, I KNOW THAT WE REQUIRE ELEVATIONS OR PLANS FOR THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING BUILT. 
          I GUESS MY MAIN QUESTION IS, IS THIS ELEVATION HOUSE GOING TO BE THE SAME THROUGHOUT? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOT SIZES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          WILL THE SAME FLOOR PLAN AND LAYOUT BE ON ALL OF THOSE LOTS? 
          >> I THINK PROBABLY THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BETTER THAN I CAN. 
          WE DO REQUIRE BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND THIS IS A TYPICAL ELEVATION THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED THAT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE PROPOSED IS. 
          BUT I WOULD SAY THERE IS GOING TO BE VARIATION IN THAT. 
          >> I GUESS MY ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER BETTER WOULD BE, HOW MUCH VARIANCE DO Y'ALL USUALLY ALLOW WHEN IT COMES TO ISSUING THE PUD AND THEN SUBMITTING PLANS FOR THESE LOT SIZES AT A LATER DATE? HOW CLOSE DO THEY HAVE TO BE TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED? 
          >> THE CODE ALLOWS FOR SOME ADMINISTRATIVE MODIFICATIONS TO THE APPROVED PUD PLAN. 
          I WILL ASK MY COLLEAGUE, ADRIEL TO ANSWER THAT. 
          >> TYPICALLY, WHAT PERTAINING TO FLOOR AREA. 
          >> SORRY THAT MIC'S NOT WORKING. 
          >> TYPICALLY PERTAINING TO FLOOR AREA, IT'S TYPICALLY 10%. 
          IT'S WHAT THE MINOR PUD AMENDMENTS ALLOW FOR ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. 
          >> THAT ADDRESSES, WHEN YOU SAY 10%, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE? 
          >> TEN PERCENT YEAH, FLOOR AREA. TYPICALLY THAT INVOLVES A SITE IN THIS CASE WOULD BE STRUCTURE AS WELL. 
          >> WHAT IF THEY USE THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THEY HAD SOME ULTRAMODERN HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE SEE HERE ON THE ELEVATIONS? 
          >> THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT IF THEY DO NOT MEET THE MINOR PUT AMENDMENT CRITERIA, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL AGAIN. 
          >> BUT I GUESS I'M ASKING FOR THAT CRITERIA A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THE CRITERIA. 
          IS IT JUST 10% OR IS THERE SOME OTHER? 
          >> YEAH, THERE'S ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE, IT INVOLVES TYPICALLY MINOR STRUCTURES SUCH AS ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE FLOOR AREA, GRADING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THOSE ARE TYPICALLY WHAT INVOLVES IN THE MINOR PUD AMENDMENT CRITERIA. 
          >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT REALLY ADDRESSES LIKE AESTHETICS OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE? 
          >> NO. 
          >> IF THEY DID BRING A MODERN LOOK IN-HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO THIS [BACKGROUND] COASTAL VERNACULAR. 
          [LAUGHTER] WOULD YOU FLAG THAT OR WOULD YOU SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO PLANNING? 
          >> I THINK ANYTHING THAT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERS THE CONCEPT PLAN OR PUD PLAN, WE WILL PROBABLY BRING IT BACK. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERS THAT. 
          NOW, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT THEN? WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE THE CONVERSATION, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ANYTHING THAT SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERS WHAT'S APPROVED WILL HAVE TO COME BACK. 
          >> I THINK THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION, THAT FOR NOW. 
          >> YES SIR, MR. TRUMP? 
          >> LOT SIZES. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS COMPARATIVELY EXCEPT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF GRAND BEACH. 
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ARE THESE LOT SIZES AND HOUSE SIZES COMPARABLE TO GRAND BEACH? 
          >> GRAND BEACH HAS LARGER LOT SIZES THAN ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE. 
          >> I GUESS IT'S THE SAME QUESTION. 
          HOW DID THEY COMPARE TO THE LOT SIZES AT BEACHTOWN? 
          >> BEACHTOWN HAS FAIRLY SMALL LOT SIZES. 
          THIS IS PROBABLY IN-BETWEEN THE TWO. 
          >> ANY IDEA WITH LOT WIDTHS ARE IN BEACHTOWN? 
          >> I COULDN'T SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> I GOT A COUPLE, OF COURSE. 
          TRAFFIC. TYPICALLY, THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST PUDS WE'VE SEEN. 
          WHERE DOES TRAFFIC COME INTO PLAY ON THIS? IT'S NOT REALLY A PLANNING REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          WHERE DOES TRAFFIC COME INTO PLAY IN THIS DEAL? 
          >> LET ME INTRODUCE MICHELE HAY. 
          SHE'S THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR AND SPOKESMAN. 
          SHE'S WORKED AS A LIAISON BETWEEN DEVELOPERS AND THE CITY AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO HELP US ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          >> WITHIN THE PRE-DEVELOPED MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE APPLICANTS, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS ASKED FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND I KNOW THOSE ARE IN THE WORKS AS WE SPEAK. 
          >> OKAY. 
          >> THOSE WILL BE HELD, REVIEW THOSE ONES, THOSE COME IN AND THEY'LL SIT DOWN AND WRITE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          >> TIM, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THIS QUESTION. 
          WHERE DOES THAT PLAY IN OUR PUD PROCESS? 
          >> IT CAN PLAY RIGHT HERE. 
          IT CAN BE A CONDITION OF YOUR APPROVAL. 
          >> THAT THEY DO THAT? 
          >> YES. 
          >> THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. BUT AT LEAST I UNDERSTOOD IT. 
          [LAUGHTER] CALLED THIS I HAVE TO HAVE BEACHFRONT DEVELOPMENT PERMITS. 
          I'M SURE THAT COMES AFTER THE FACT YOU GUYS ADDRESSED THE STREET WIDTH AND I DO THINK A STANDARD STREET WITH HIS 28 IN LIEU OF THE 26. 
          THERE IS 26-FOOT-WIDE STREET WORK. 
          BUT THEN ALSO, I NOTICED ON THAT WHEN YOU GUYS MET WITH THE GUYS, THEY ARE CALLING FOR A 450 SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE. 
          THAT'S PRETTY SMALL. 
          THAT PICTURE IS NOT A 450-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT'S JUST A SCALED-DOWN VERSION OF INSTEAD OF THREE FLOORS, MAYBE IT'S JUST ONE AND A PIECE. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> THAT GOES BACK TO MY QUESTION AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACTUAL ELEVATIONS AND FLOOR PLANS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING ONE THING, BUT THEY'RE ONLY SHOWING ONE ELEVATION AND PLAN, AND THAT'S DEFINITELY A DIFFERENCE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE THAT I DON'T THINK MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS IN OUR PUD REQUIREMENTS. 
          >> I WOULD SAY THAT CERTAINLY THESE ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT SHOULD BE VETTED. 
          DEVELOPER HAS INDICATED THAT THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL RANGE OF HOUSES HERE. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE ABSOLUTELY HUGE. 
          SOME OF THE LOTS ARE QUITE LARGE AND MANY OF THEM ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVING GRAM BEACH. 
          THERE ARE SOME SMALL LINES. 
          YOU WILL SEE THOSE AS TWO DARK BLUE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY GET INTO THIS MYSELF, I'D RATHER DEVELOPER TALK TO YOU ABOUT HIS REASON FOR THE DIFFERENT SIZES. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THEN WE'LL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 5:35. 
          IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? 
          >> YES. 
          CALL ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND I HAVE A NUMBER MEMBERS. 
          YOU WANT US TO GO FIRST OR YOU WANT [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, GUS. 
          IS I'LL ASK IF FOR YOU, GUS, TO COME UP HERE, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR A LOT OF COMMENTS. 
          I WOULD SAY WHAT I READ WAS A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          I WOULD TELL YOU READING THROUGH THEM, THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP HERE WITH AXES AND PITCHFORKS. 
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THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, SO WE'LL HEAR FROM THEM AND THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS LET YOU GUYS COME BACK UP AND HELP US OUT WITH SOME OF THE ANSWERS WITH THAT. 
          IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU, GUS, THAT WORK FOR YOU, DONNA? 
          >> EVERYTHING GOES FIRST, COMMENTS AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> YES, MA'AM. WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT? 
          >> YES. 
          >> THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. 
          GUS, SINCE YOU'RE THE LAWYER, DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO START BUILDING HOUSES? YOU'VE GOT THE OTHER DEVELOPER AND TOE IS HERE WITH YOU? 
          >> THE DEVELOPER IS HERE. CARL SCHWAB IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE DEVELOPERS. 
          >> COOL. 
          >> GUS DOES NEED TO OFFICIALLY INTRODUCE HIMSELF. 
          >> GUS, WE'VE SEEN YOU BEFORE, WE DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> I UNDERSTAND. SURE. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> I'M SORRY. 
          >> IF MR. KNEBEL IS PRESENTING THE CASE, THEN HE COULD PRESENT THE CASE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO MEET THE OWNER. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. 
          >> MR. KNEBEL CAN PRESENT, THE OWNER CAN COME UP AND PRESENT. 
          IF MR. KNEBEL HAS OTHER FOLKS ON HIS TALLY OF LIST, THEY CAN ALL PRESENT. 
          >> WELL, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE ALL OF THEM TOO. 
          >> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT GUS, I'LL LET YOU DO YOUR THING. 
          >> GUS KNEBEL, 2200 MARKET STREET, SUITE 300, GALVESTON, TEXAS. 
          I REPRESENT RREAF HOLDINGS, LP, THE APPLICANT IN THIS MANNER, JOINING ME TODAY, CARL SCHWAB AS THE PRESIDENT OF RREAF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          JOHN SCHWAB IS HERE AS WELL. 
          ALSO CAROLINE MCELROY WITH RREAF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS THE ASSISTANT GENERAL COUNSEL. 
          WE ALSO HAVE MILTON ANDERSON AND COLTON BARNES ARE WITH MERRYMAN AND ANDERSON ARCHITECTS AND THE ARCHITECTS ON THE MATTER BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY ARCHITECTURAL QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. 
          FINALLY, WE HAVE DANIEL FINKELSTEIN WITH WP MORE ENGINEERING. 
          THEY'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE TO THE STREETS AND THOSE THINGS. 
          FINALLY, JEFF CART WITH ALTAMIRA. 
          AS MS. GORMAN HAS SAID, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY DOESN'T REGULATE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND WETLANDS, BUT THEY ARE DELINEATED AND WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT AND RESPECTFUL OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION AND THE CITIZENS MAY HAVE, SO MR. CART IS HERE AS WELL. 
          WHAT RREAF IS LOOKING TO DO ESSENTIALLY IS BRING A FIRST-CLASS CASINO STYLE DEVELOPMENT TO GALVESTON ISLAND. 
          YOU SEE WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LOCATED IS DIRECTLY TO THE EAST OF A NEW, APPROXIMATELY 300 ROOM HOTEL THAT IS GOING IN. 
          IT IS GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS SO THAT IS WHAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL ACCOMPANY. 
          AS FAR AS THIS AREA OF THE EAST END IS CONCERNED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS SET OUT TO DO WAS INCREASE THE IMAGE AND MAKE MORE YEAR-ROUND GALVESTON TOURISM. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE REALM OF SOMETHING LIKE YOUR CINNAMON SHORES OR PANAMA CITY BEACH. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN ELEVATED BOARDWALK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT WILL MAKE NOT ONLY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY WALKABLE, BUT IT'S GOING TO DO WHAT WE OFTENTIMES, I'M SURE JOHN PAUL USE A LOT OF IS THIS IDEA OF SEPARATING THE PEDESTRIAN FROM THE CARS TO PREVENT THOSE ISSUES THAT UNFORTUNATELY ARISE. 
          THAT IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT. 
          THEN ALSO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY LARGE ELEVATED AMENITY DECK ON THE BEACH SIDE WITH AN ELEVATED POOL ACCOMPANYING POOLSIDE RESTAURANTS, CABANAS THOSE OF THINGS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A MORE YEAR-ROUND TYPE OF TOURISTS. 
          THE AREA COVERED BY THE PUD IS TO THE SOUTH, IS ZONED COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH RESALE. 
          THE VARIANCES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ARE STRICTLY LOT AREA. 
          WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A VARIANCE OR ANY FOUR USES, THE USES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED ARE USES THAT ARE PERMITTED. 
          THEY ARE PERMITTED USES AND I APOLOGIZE, I BELIEVE I MISSPOKE TO THE SOUTH AS RESALE TO THE NORTH IS COMMERCIAL. I APOLOGIZE. 
          WE FEEL HONESTLY THAT THIS IS A QUINTESSENTIAL REASON FOR THE PUD PROCESS. 
          WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO BRING TO THE CITY AND WE HAVE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE ADJACENT. 
          WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS APPLY A UNIFORM STANDARD ACROSS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT IN FURTHERANCE OF THE PUD PROCESS. 
          AS I SAID, WE'RE REALLY JUST SEATING THREE GENERAL DEVIATIONS THAT DEVIATING FROM THE LOT DEPTH REQUIREMENT IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, DEVIATING FROM THE LOT AREA REQUIREMENT IN THE RESALE DISTRICT, AND THEN ALLOWING FOR A PRIVATE STREET WITH A REDUCED RIGHT AWAY WITH. 
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BUT THAT WILL STILL BE 26 FEET WIDE, I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT PARKING FOR OTHER PEOPLE, THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF TWO PART OF VEHICULAR PARKING SPOTS UNDER EACH HOME, AND THEN ADDITIONAL NON-EXCLUSIVE STREET PARKING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FOUR PARKING IN THIS AREA. 
          THE DECREASED LOT DEPTH AND SIZE REQUIREMENTS WILL ALLOW RREAF TO BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY, INDIVIDUALLY PLOTTED HOMES WITHIN IT, AS I SAID, THE ACCOMPANYING BOARDWALK, THE BOARDWALK IMPROVES WALKABILITY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND ALLOWS THE GUESTS TO NAVIGATE WITHOUT HAVING TO INTERACT WITH THE CARS AS MUCH. 
          THE PRIVATE STREETS ALSO ALLOW MORE CONTROL UP FOR RREAF TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS A FIRST-CLASS COMMUNITY. 
          THE PRICE POINTS ALONE, THIS IS SOMETHING ON THE LEVEL OF CINNAMON SHORES, THAT'S WHAT THE DEVELOPERS TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          AS I SAID, RREAF IS GOING TO BUILD MULTIPLE AMENITIES. 
          SOME WILL BE ELEVATED. 
          IN ONE OF YOUR PICTURES, THEY'RE SHADED GRAY, BUT THINGS ALONG THE LINES OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, POOLS, THOSE THINGS. 
          OF COURSE, RREAF IS GOING TO COMPLY WITH ALL BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION RULES, THOSE THINGS. 
          WE'RE NOT HERE TODAY ASKING FOR VARIANCES FROM ANY OF THAT, WE'RE JUST HERE ABOUT LOT SIZES AND THAT'S THE STREET ISSUE. 
          THEN AS I SAID, WE UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTALIST AND THAT'S THE CORE THING, BUT LIKE I SAID, MR. CART IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WE CAN SEE THEY'RE CLEARLY DELINEATED AND WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE OR WETLANDS, HOWEVER YOU WOULD WANT TO PROPOSE PHRASE CALLED THEM. 
          >> SOUNDS GOOD. YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOUR FOLKS? 
          >> SURE. DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM FIRST OR? 
          >> I'D LIKE TO HEAR. I HAVE A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS. 
          >> SURE. ABSOLUTELY. CARL SCHWAB IS THE PRESIDENT OF RREAF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. 
          >> THAT'D BE A GOOD PLACE TO START. 
          >> EXCELLENT. 
          >> CARL, WELCOME TO GALVESTON, IF YOU WOULD SIGN IN THERE FOR US. 
          [NOISE] 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR, CERTAINLY TO BE HERE. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON. 
          WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THE DEVELOPER OF THE RESORT HOTEL THAT WE UNDERSTAND HAS RECEIVED SOME INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND WE ARE IN FOR PERMITTING, I BELIEVE, WITH JUST HAVING RECEIVED OUR SITE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT FROM THE GLO RECENTLY, THIS LAST WEEK, THAT WAS A TWO-YEAR EFFORT. 
          WE'RE REALLY READY TO LAUNCH THAT COMPONENT. 
          THIS IS A COMPLIMENTARY COMPONENT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A SIZABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE RESORT HOTEL, AND IT WILL BE 334 KEYS. 
          THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, BUT IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART, I THINK, OF TRYING TO DESCRIBE THE LEVEL OF QUALITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE PROJECT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT KIND OF INVESTMENT AND THEN COME ALONGSIDE OF IT WITH A PRODUCT THAT WOULD DIMINISH THE VALUE OF THAT SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO AT 278 KEYS, WE'RE JUST A LITTLE OVER 4 1/2 UNITS TO THE ACRE ON 50 PLUS ACRES. 
          IF YOU COUNT ALL OF OUR GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE TWO PARCELS BEING THE EASTERLY PARCEL, WE'RE FEE SIMPLE TO THE LOW WATER LINE. 
          WE HAVE THE DUNE PROTECTION AREA THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, THE CORE. 
          WE HAVE A MITIGATION SOIL THAT THE SELLER THAT WE PURCHASED FROM CREATED WITH THE CORE, WHICH IS A GRASSED SOIL, 20-30 FEET ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DUNES. 
          THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S ABOUT A 20-FOOT CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT, NO GO ZONE. 
          WE'VE BEEN HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND WE'RE RESPECTIVE OF THEM. 
          WE HAVE THOSE IN PLAY FOR THE HOTEL AND WE'RE ALSO FACTORING FOR THOSE ON THESE RESORT COTTAGES. 
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WHEN WE FIRST STARTED LOOKING AT THE COTTAGES AND WHEN WE TOOK OUR FIRST EFFORT WAS ABOUT 316 UNITS, WE'VE PAIRED THAT BACK TO 278 UNITS. 
          WE'RE LESS EXCITED ABOUT THE 487 SQUARE FOOT UNIT. 
          THE MORE WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE IT HAS WORKED WELL AS A RENTAL ON THE RESORT HOTEL. 
          THERE'S ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HOUSTON. 
          WE HAVE NOT MADE OUR FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT YET. 
          I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S REALLY CREATIVE. 
          WE MAY BE THE ONLY PEOPLE IN THE ISLAND THAT THINK IT'S STILL A SECRET. 
          [LAUGHTER] THE REASON WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT IS WE HAVE FRANCHISE OBLIGATIONS WITH THE FRANCHISER, SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS RIGHT NOW, THEY NEED TO BLESS THEM. 
          WE'RE MEETING IN ORLANDO NEXT WEEKS TO GET THAT ALL IRONED OUT SO WE CAN MAKE A FULL AND FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT. 
          WE HAD A LEAK BY OUR PROJECT MANAGER OUT OF HOUSTON ABOUT A MONTH AGO. 
          IT WAS AN INADVERTENT COMMENT THAT ONE OF HIS EMPLOYEES MADE ON FACEBOOK. 
          IT WAS PICKED UP BY THE MEDIA. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO BE HANDLING SOME CONTROL OVER THAT. 
          BUT QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S NOT A SECRET AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE AT THIS POINT WITH HAVING NOT MADE THAT DELAY OR HAVING MADE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WORKING TO OUR ADVANTAGE. 
          SO WE'RE SCRAMBLING TO MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          WE THINK IT'S GOING TO REALLY BE A GREAT PROJECT. 
          WE'VE SEEN A TWO LIKE-KIND MODELS ON THE COTTAGES. 
          ONE IS IN ORLANDO, THE OTHER ONE'S ON PANAMA CITY BEACH. 
          THE PANAMA CITY BEACH PRODUCT HAS HAD A REMARKABLE VELOCITY. 
          IT'S JUST EXCEPTIONAL, THE VELOCITY THEY'VE ACHIEVED. 
          THEY ROLL OUT AN OFFERING OF SEVEN HOMES. 
          THEY DON'T SPEC ANY OTHER PRODUCT. 
          WE INTEND TO SPEC ZERO HOMES. 
          THEY WILL ALL BE PRE-SALES, AND SO OUR PRICE POINTS WILL ON THE BEACH FRONT, 21 UNITS ACROSS THE BEACH FRONTAGE, EACH OF THOSE 21 UNITS WILL EXCEED THE HIGHEST PRICE PAID FOR ANY HOME ON GALVESTON ISLAND TODAY. 
          WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          WE'VE DONE EXTENSIVE MARKET STUDIES TO ANALYZE THE GALVESTON MARKET AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT IT'S THERE. 
          WE HAD 10 MILLION PEOPLE LIVING TWO-AND-A-HALF HOURS AWAY FROM THE ISLAND. 
          SO WE HAVE A UNIQUE MARKET AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE AGAINST, SAY THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL WATER AND IT'S WHITE SAND, OUR BEACHES ARE EASIER TO WALK, THEY'RE MORE DESIRABLE TO RUN. 
          WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT IS COMPETING WITH WATER COLOR, BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          I'M A DALLAS GUY. 
          I GREW UP ON GALVESTON ISLAND EVERY SUMMER WITH MY UNCLE FISHING ON THAT LOWER TIER OF THE FLAGSHIP HOTEL. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY STILL FISHES OUT THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL AMUSEMENT PARK NOW. 
          IT MAKES ME SCRATCH MY HEAD THAT THAT BEAUTIFUL HOTEL WHEN IT FIRST OPENED IS NO LONGER THERE. 
          ANYWAY, AS I SAID, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT, THE UNITS THAT WE'VE GOT. 
          OUR DENSITY, WHEN YOU TAKE IT AGAINST THE GROSS, IT'S REALLY NOT OUT OF LINE. 
          THE REASON WE'VE GONE TO THE PRIVATE STREETS IS BECAUSE WE PATENTED IT AFTER CINNAMON SHORE AND I'M TRYING TO PUSH THIS ALONG, SO BEAR WITH ME. 
          THE CINNAMON SHORE PRODUCT IS RIGHT NOW ABOUT $700 SQUARE FOOT ON SALE. WE'LL BE ABOVE THAT. 
          THE PRODUCT IN PANAMA CITY BEACH WAS AT 950 A SQUARE FOOT IN SALES, IT'S JUST REMARKABLE. 
          ANYBODY THAT'S GOT A RENTAL PROPERTY ON THE ISLAND SHOULD BE EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE PRICES FOR CINNAMON SHORE, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING DOWN THERE. 
          PERHAPS SOME OF YOU-ALL HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE, IT WAS A WEEK AFTER MEMORIAL DAY, A WEEK BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY, WE PAID 14 GRAND A UNIT FOR A WEEK. 
          PANAMA CITY BEACH, THE WEEK AFTER THE 4TH JULY, I WAS THERE. 
          ON THE SIX BEDROOM UNITS THAT WE WERE PAYING $24,000 A WEEK IN RENTAL. 
          THERE'S SOME REAL, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, IF YOU'RE A CONDOMINIUM OWNER OR A RENTAL INDIVIDUAL ON GALVESTON ISLAND, THAT RISING TIDE IS GOING TO FLOAT EVERY BOAT ON THE ISLAND. 
          THAT'S NOT A BAD THING IF YOU'RE IN THAT CONCERN. 
          WE THINK THAT THE QUALITY OF OUR CONSTRUCTION, THE CONSISTENCY, THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THESE UNITS IS THE BUYER WILL HAVE AN OPTION ON THREE INTERIORS. 
          HE'LL HAVE SOME OPTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE OR SIX UNIT TYPES. 
          WE'LL MIRROR IMAGE THE UNIT TYPES. 
          WE HAVE A HEAVY DESIGN MOTIF FROM THE FRANCHISEE WHO HAS A REQUIRED SPECIFIC DESIGNER, THE MCBRIDE GROUP. 
          THEY'RE OUT OF, I THINK VERMONT AND FLORIDA AND THEY HAVE BEEN WITH THE MAIN NAME OF THE FRANCHISOR SINCE HIS VERY FIRST PRODUCT, WHICH WAS A RESTAURANT. 
          THEY'RE REALLY THE DESIGN GUIDELINE FOR THE STANDARD AND THE MOTIF. 
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THEY BRING A LOT OF ACCOUTERMENTS ELEMENTS, ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS WHICH YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ON THE MORE STRIPPED DOWN STEEL VERSION. 
          WE ONLY PUT ONE IN. 
          OUR APPLICATION, AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT WAS FOR LOT SIZE AND THAT'S THE DEVIATION. 
          YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE INTEREST. 
          IT ALMOST APPROACHES A PLANNING EXERCISE THOUGH AND WE'RE NOT AFRAID OF THAT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO FINAL PLAT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CCNRS AND USE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO MEET AND EXCEED I THINK WHAT YOUR STANDARDS ARE IN THE CITY. WE WANT THAT. 
          THIS FRANCHISE IS NOT A SPRING BREAK PRODUCT, IT'S A SERIOUSLY FAMILY-ORIENTED PRODUCT AND WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PRICE POINTS ARE GOING TO HELP PRESERVE THAT. 
          SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT WORKING WITH STAFF GOING FORWARD, TO HELP GET THE CITY SATISFIED, GET THE COUNCIL SATISFIED WITH THE QUALITY OF PRODUCT WE'RE GOING TO BRING. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE PRODUCT IN PANAMA CITY BEACH, THOSE OWNERS ARE REQUIRED TO, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH A PIP IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, YOU COME IN AND CHANGE OUT YOUR FURNITURE, CHANGE OUT YOUR FABRICS, CHANGE OUT YOUR MATTRESSES, THEY'RE DOING A FULL PIP EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          IT'S A HEAVY RENTAL PRODUCT. 
          IT'S A HEAVY OCCUPANCY PRODUCT. 
          NOT INSENSITIVE TO YOUR TRAFFIC CONCERNS. 
          WE'VE DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY ALREADY, WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY THAT TRAFFIC CONCERN RIGHT NOW. 
          THE TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE, IS A REQUIREMENT OF PLANNING. 
          I THINK TRAFFIC, HYDRAULICS, HYDROLOGY, AND WATER SEWER WILL ALL BE CONDITIONS. 
          CIVIL ENGINEERS HERE TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS AND WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE CURRENT TRAFFIC IS THOSE INTERSECTIONS UP ON SEAWALL WERE OPERATING AT A LEVEL A NOW, WHICH RARELY TRIGGERS A STOP SIGN. 
          I BELIEVE WE'RE FAIRLY GOOD THERE. 
          BUT IF WE'RE NOT AND WE NEED TO CONTRIBUTE TO A PRO RATA SHARE OF WHAT OUR IMPACT IS ON THAT INTERSECTION, WE WILL DO THAT. 
          WE WANT TO BE GOOD CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO EVERYBODY AROUND US AND WE KNOW WE CAN'T GET THERE WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT. 
          I'LL ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND/OR ONE OF OUR ARCHITECTS OR ENGINEERS. 
          >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. WOULD YOU MIND TELLING US ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS YOU GUYS' DONE? THIS ISN'T YOUR FIRST TIME OUT. 
          I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO SHARE WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER FOLKS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND WHERE YOU'VE DONE IT. 
          >> WELL, WE'RE ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. WE STARTED OUT AS A BOUTIQUE. 
          PRIMARILY, A GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL KIDS FROM DALLAS THAT GOT TOGETHER AND STARTED A BOUTIQUE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR WELL OFF AND ON IN VARIOUS CAPACITY FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS AS A COMPANY. 
          THE BULK OF OUR GROWTH IN THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS HAS BEEN LARGELY IN ACQUISITIONS IN MULTIFAMILY. 
          WE REALLY HAD A REMARKABLE GROWTH PERIOD IN THAT AREA. 
          WE'VE ALSO PURSUED GROUND UP IN THE MULTIFAMILY AREA. 
          THAT PRODUCT IS NOT A BUILD TO HOLD. 
          WE'RE MORE OF A BUILD TO SELL PRODUCT ON THE GROUND UP. 
          THOSE INVESTORS TEND TO WANT TO REVERT SOONER THAN TO HOLD. 
          WE HAVE OTHER INVESTORS ON THE WHOLE THAT ARE BUYING INCOME PRODUCING PROPERTIES. 
          WE BOUGHT A NUMBER OF HOTELS ALONG THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE, BOTH AND ON THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA, SOUTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA. 
          THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY THE AREA WE ARE ACTIVE IN. 
          WE'VE ALSO LAUNCHED AN EXTENDED STAY HOSPITALITY PRODUCTS. WE'RE VERY ACTIVE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVEN SITES IN SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT. 
          THAT'S BEEN IN IDAHO AND IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE. 
          WE HAVE A SMALL OFFICE IN NASHVILLE OR MEMPHIS, EXCUSE ME, BUT OUR ACTIVITY IS PRIMARILY IN AND AROUND THE NASHVILLE MARKET. 
          WE'VE RECENTLY LAUNCHED A RV ACQUISITIONS. 
          WE'VE RECOGNIZED IT'S AN INTERESTING DYNAMIC WITHIN THE RV AREA. 
          IT'S BEEN LARGELY FRAGMENTED. 
          IT'S BECOME VERY POPULAR AS OF LATE. 
          I THINK COVID REALLY THROTTLED IT. 
          WE'RE SEEING AN OPPORTUNITY TO STANDARDIZE THAT. 
          AT ONE POINT WE CONSIDERED ON THE NORTH 40, THE RV COMPONENT. 
          I'M GLAD WE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT. 
          THE FRANCHISER WORK CAME ALONG AND BRANDED ACROSS THE BAY AND I GUESS [INAUDIBLE] BOULEVARD, AND SO THAT MADE US REEVALUATE AT LEAST THAT USE FOR THIS LOCATION. 
          I THINK WE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AND I THINK IT ALSO IS PROBABLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT'S ALREADY THERE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY FINE HOMES GETTING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. 
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WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO IT, WE WANT TO ADD TO IT. 
          THE ROLL-OUT TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE GROWTH, THAT'S PRIMARILY THE MAIN AREA OF WHERE OUR FOCUS IS RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES, NOT REALLY INTO THE WAREHOUSE OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW, THAT'S STILL A VITAL DEVELOPMENT ARM OR OFFICES. 
          PRETTY MUCH NON-EXISTENT RIGHT NOW IN NEW GROWTH. 
          WE'RE QUIET IN THOSE ARENAS AND NOT REALLY A LOT IN THE MEDICAL ARENA, SO REALLY HOUSING AND HOSPITALITY, AND THAT'S OUR FOCUS. 
          >> AND NO STRANGER TO THE BEACHFRONT WITH YOUR FLORIDA HOLDINGS? 
          >> NO, NOT AT ALL. WE'VE BEEN VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY TOOK A LOOK AT A PRODUCT DOWN IN SOUTH PADRE ISLAND. 
          I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE WITH MY FAMILY GROWING UP OVER THE YEARS. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT THE SHORES WHICH IS AT THE NORTH END OF PADRE ISLAND, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PRODUCT. 
          KIND OF A SOUTH CAROLINIAN VERTICAL WALK UP, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO PROBABLY THE INSPIRATION FOR AND ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT SEDIMENTS SHORE STARTED AND HATS OFF TO THAT DEVELOPER. 
          HE HELD ON. HE WAS ASKED TO COMPROMISE AND HE WEATHERED THROUGH THE DOWNTURN IN 08-09 AND MAINTAINED THE QUALITY DOWN THERE AND IT'S A FABULOUS ENVIRONMENT. 
          WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO STAY AT THE NORTH FULLY DEVELOPED PORTION AND NOT THE NEWLY LAUNCHED SOUTH BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION. 
          OUR VISION IS TO FULLY DEVELOP OUT IN 36 MONTHS FROM THE TIME WE LAUNCHED THE FIRST. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE 278 HOMES IN WHAT WILL PROBABLY BE 48 MONTHS IF OUR CALCULATIONS ARE CORRECT, 12 MONTHS TO BRING THE FIRST ONLINE. 
          I GUESS I'M TAKING THE ARCHITECTS THUNDER, THE POOL DECK WILL BE ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT JUST IN THE CONCRETE DECK, THAT'LL BE A CONCRETE DECK, LAZY RIVER, ADULT POOL, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, HEAVILY LANDSCAPED. 
          THAT BECOMES FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL GYMNASTICS TO GET THAT HIGH AND THEN THEY GET THE DEPTH OF THE POOL. 
          WE GO FROM 18 INCHES OF CLEARANCE ON THE FEMA FLOOD LINE, WHICH WOULD PUT US AT ABOUT 19, 6 TO BOTTOM OF THE STRUCTURE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEPTH OF THE POOL WOULD PUSHES US UP TO 25, 26 FEET. 
          THAT BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH ACCESS. 
          WE'LL HAVE PROBABLY TWO LIFTS TO GET UP AND THEN WE'RE DEALING WITH ALL THE GLO ISSUES RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE IMPACTING THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE BEACH FRONT PARCEL, WHICH IS IN THE THOUSAND FEET. 
          THE NORTH 40, WE CALL IT THE NORTH 40 BECAUSE IT'S PLUS OR MINUS 40 ACRES AND INCLUDE SOME PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF APPLE. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP OVER THERE. 
          I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE ACREAGE THAT'S NET OF JURISDICTIONAL, BUT WE DON'T SEE A USE FOR THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT PURSUING ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SIDE OF APPLE. 
          I HAPPEN TO LOVE FLY FISHING, SO I WOULD SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET THE COURT TO LET US MAYBE STOCK SOME REDS AND TROUT IN THERE AND MAYBE PUT SOME PLATFORMS OUT. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY TOLD US THAT WE COULD PUT SOME PLATFORMS OUT AROUND THE PERIMETER AND MAYBE TURN THAT INTO A BIT OF AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS AND STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COURT REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> GOOD. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE AMENITIES. 
          THE AMENITIES WOULD BE EXCLUSIVE TO THE HOMEOWNERS? 
          >> CORRECT. THEY'LL BE PRIVATE. 
          THEN WITH REGARD, WE HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL, WHO'S MORE POWERFUL THAN THE FIRE MARSHAL BESIDES THE GAME WARDEN? WE PUT LIFE SAFETY FIRST. 
          THESE ARE WOODEN STRUCTURES AND WE'RE NOT INSENSITIVE TO IT. 
          THEY'RE DENSE AND IT'S A WOODEN STRUCTURE, AND WE WANT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET IN THERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN IF, GOD FORBID, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. 
          WE TALKED TO HIM AT LENGTH. 
          [INAUDIBLE] SHORE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, THEY ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. 
          THAT LEAVES A 22 FOOT DRIVE LANE WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH A FIRE LANE WIDTH WHERE OUR BOARDWALKS CROSS THE FIRE LANES. 
          ALL THE STREETS ARE FIRE LANES. 
          WHERE THE BOARDWALKS CROSS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 14 FEET UP, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 20, JUST BECAUSE THE NATURE OF IT'S GOING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THOSE HOMES. 
          THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOMES THAT ARE UP AND ADJACENT TO THE PODIUM WILL BE HIGHER. 
          IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE BECAUSE WE WANT DIRECT ACCESS FROM THOSE HOMES OUT ONTO THE POOL DECK. 
          WE THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY ATTRACTIVE DYNAMO CONDITION ALONG WITH THE BEACHFRONT. 
          THE PRICE POINTS ON THE BEACHFRONT, AS I SAID, 
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ARE GOING TO BE REALLY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE. 
          WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GOOD. 
          AS I SAID, THEY'RE FULLY FURNISHED. 
          EVERYTHING COMES WITH STEAM WEAR, ALL THE LINENS, ALL THE ARTWORK. 
          IT'S A FULLY BAKED PRODUCT WHEN THE HOMEOWNER TAKES OCCUPANCY. 
          THE MODEL THAT THEY'VE PUT UP, FOR EXAMPLE, IN PANAMA CITY BEACH THEY BROUGHT OUT, I THINK NINE UNITS. 
          THEY HAD NINE UNITS OFFERED AND THEY HAD 45 SUBSCRIPTIONS IN ONE DAY ON NINE UNITS. 
          IT'S A PRODUCT THAT HAS RECEIVED TREMENDOUS INTEREST IN THE MARKET. 
          NOT ALL OF THEM ARE OWNER-OCCUPIED FOR THE FULL YEAR, BUT THE WAY THEY DO THEIR LEASING, THEY DON'T LIMIT THE TIME PERIOD. 
          THEY DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE. 
          THE IDEA IS TO MAINTAIN AS HIGH AN OCCUPANCY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE UNDERLYING BASE ZONING ON THIS AS WE'VE BEEN COUNSELED BY GUS, THAT THE UNDERLYING ZONING FOR THIS END OF THE ISLAND WAS TO REALLY ENCOURAGE DENSITY AND ENCOURAGE MORE REVENUE ON THE ISLAND FROM TOURISM. 
          WE THINK THIS WILL DO IT. WE THINK THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS DOING THE COMBINED TAX BASE OF THE TWO PROJECTS WILL EXCEED 500 MILLION. 
          IT'S NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN GALVESTON ISLAND, ESPECIALLY AT A RATHER DIFFICULT TIME TO RAISE MONEY, AND WE'VE SEEN REMARKABLE INTEREST, SO WE'RE EXCITED AND HOPE WE GET YOUR SUPPORT. 
          >> ONE QUESTION, PLEASE. 
          >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR LAST COMMENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE VACATION RENTALS, SOUNDS LIKE? 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. 
          >> I WONDER IF THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REGISTER EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS WITH THE PARK BOARD, AND IF YOU HAVE TO REGISTER EACH ONE OF THESE UNITS WITH THE PARK BOARD, IS THAT GOING TO BE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO REGISTER THEIR VACATION RENTALS, I'M WONDERING? BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE BEFORE IT WAS NOT VACATION RENTALS, BUT NOW I'M GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY ARE. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YES? 
          >> IT CAN BE. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE. 
          WE'RE SELLING TO INDIVIDUALS. 
          >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU STAND UP TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. 
          >> WE'RE SELLING TO INDIVIDUALS ON A PRE-SALE BASIS, SO IF THAT INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO RENT HIS PROPERTY, HE MAY RENT IT ON HIS OWN, BUT THE CONDITIONS WE PUT ON THE REQUIREMENTS ENCOURAGE HIM TO RUN THROUGH OUR CONTROLLED RENTAL POOL TO STANDARDIZE THAT SO WE CAN REALLY HAVE A QUALITY CONTROL. 
          THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE WORKING IT AND WE'RE MODELING IT AFTER THE PANAMA CITY BEACH DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO RENT THE PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S NOT AN OBLIGATION. 
          BUT WHAT THE INVESTOR OF THAT UNIT FINDS IS THAT HE CAN FLIP THE BOAT AFTER THREE YEARS WITH THE REMARKABLE RATES THAT THEY'RE GETTING. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN PANAMA CITY BEACH. 
          THEN WE MAINTAIN A REAL HIGH-QUALITY STANDARD. 
          THE FRANCHISER HAS A STANDARD THAT'S REALLY VERY STRICT AND SO THAT HELPS US HAVE CONFIDENCE TO MAINTAIN THAT. 
          THE HOA IN PANAMA CITY BEACH SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE OWNERSHIP. 
          WE'RE IN AN OPPORTUNITY ZONE, SO OUR CONTEMPLATED HOLD ON THE HOTEL IS A MINIMUM OF 10. 
          THAT CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE FOR SOME OF THE INVESTORS ON THAT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY RECOGNIZE THAT IF YOU HOLD FOR [INAUDIBLE] OPPORTUNITY ZONE, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, YOU PAY NO CAPITAL GAIN TAX. 
          THAT'S A REMARKABLE INCENTIVE IF YOU'RE PATIENT FOR 10 YEARS. 
          WE'RE WEIGHING AND MEASURING ALL OF THAT AND THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO REALLY TRY AND PUT IN PLAY AND START A SPINNING TOP THAT WILL MAINTAIN ITS QUALITY. 
          ITS A CAUSTIC ENVIRONMENT. 
          IT'S AN EXPENSIVE ENVIRONMENT TO MAINTAIN PRODUCT. 
          THERE'S NO GALVANIZED METAL ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          IT'S ALL STAINLESS STEEL, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT EVEN THAT IN TIME WILL RUST A LITTLE BIT, SO WE TRY AND MINIMIZE THOSE ISSUES OF MAINTENANCE. 
          THAT'S A REAL SIGNIFICANT ISSUE IN HOW WE SPECIFY THE PRODUCT ON THE EXTERIOR AND THE INTERIOR. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ANSWERING ALL YOUR QUESTION ON THE RENTAL. 
          >> YOU ARE, BUT YOU'RE GIVING ME WAY MORE THAN I WANTED. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> YES. THE OWNERS WILL COMPLY WITH ALL LAWS, INCLUDING IF THEY ARE SHORT-TERM. 
          SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES, OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS TO DO THAT. YES, CORRECT. 
          >> YOU'RE SELLING THE HOUSES, 
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BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GO BACK EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          I DON'T MEAN EVEN GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THIS, IS JUST SOMETHING YOU SAID AND IT TRIGGERED MY MIND. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO SELL THE HOUSES, BUT EVERY THREE YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO TURN OVER ALL THE [INAUDIBLE] INSIDE THE HOUSE? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE RESTRICTIONS THE CC AND OURS AS PART OF THE HOAS AND THAT SORT OF THING, YES. 
          OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD ALL BE DISCLOSED. 
          >> I'M DONE WITH THAT. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> ANYBODY ELSE? GO AHEAD AND STAND, PLEASE. 
          >> FIRST OFF, IS THIS GOING TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY? 
          >> WE'VE CONTEMPLATED THAT AS IT STANDS NOW, I THINK WE CAN GO EITHER WAY. 
          GATING THE COMMUNITY DOES A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          WE ALL KNOW THAT IT HAS A NUANCE OF A SECURITY. 
          IT CREATES SOME ISSUES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          IT CREATES SOME ISSUES AT THE ENTRANCE FOR STACKING AND TURNING AND GETTING OUT IF YOU PULL IT IN AND YOU DON'T BELONG. 
          SO WE'RE MEASURING THAT RIGHT NOW TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS. 
          [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT GATED. 
          AND THEY SEEM TO FUNCTION AND DO WELL WITHOUT IT. 
          THE PRODUCT IN PANAMA CITY BEACH IS NOT GATED. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN TELL YOU WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE OR NOT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY LEANING TO NOT DO THAT. 
          >> AS FAR AS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WILL YOU BE A PRINCIPAL IN THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITH MAJORITY CONTROL? 
          >> WE CERTAINLY WILL FOR CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AT SOME POINT, ONCE YOU GET FULL AND WORN OUT WITH MANAGING THAT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, YOU TURN IT OVER TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWNED PROPERTY THERE AND LIVE THERE. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER IN OUR CCNERS IN THE BYLAWS AND HOW THAT WILL ALL COME TOGETHER. 
          AND WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT UNFOLDS. 
          WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE'VE GOT SO MUCH TO DO. 
          OUR GOAL IS TO BREAK GROUND IN MAY. 
          WE GOT A LOT TO DO AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND. 
          WE HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY BETWEEN NOW AND MAY IN ORDER TO GET THAT DONE. 
          OF COURSE, THOSE GUIDELINES ARE ONE OR REAL LONG LEAD ITEMS ARE GONNA BE SUBSEQUENT TO A BLESSING FROM P&Z AND COUNSEL TO GO FORWARD OR REAL LONG LEAD ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE THE GLO AND PLANNING. 
          THAT SETS CRITICAL PATH, ARCHITECT CRINGES WHEN I SAY THAT. 
          BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THE CONTRACT DOCS FOR THE VARIETY THAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND OFFER. 
          THE CLOCK, THE PURCHASER WILL ALSO EXTEND OUT SOME OF THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS. 
          THESE ARE HEAVILY A MONETIZED, HEAVILY LANDSCAPED. YOU'VE SEEN THE DENSITY. 
          IMAGINE MOST OF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT ON THIS BEAUTIFUL ISLAND AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS OF THE TEXAS COAST. 
          PERHAPS EVEN THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE. 
          LANDSCAPING IS A HUGE PART OF IT. 
          IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE PART OF IT. 
          GOD FORBID, WE GET TWO MORE YEARS OF FREEZES LIKE WE HAD A FEW YEARS BACK. 
          BUT ANYWAY THAT'S THE GOAL. 
          >> THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DELINEATION IN OPEN SPACE. 
          SO WHO'S THAT? 
          >> MY NAME IS JEFF CART. 
          I WORK WITH ALTAMIRA US AND I'M REPRESENTING THEM FROM ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT FOR THE DELINEATION AND PARAMEDIC. 
          >> UNDERSTOOD. OUR PURVIEW IN THE WETLANDS IS PRETTY MUCH ZERO, BUT IT'S NICE THAT YOU GUYS, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN DELINEATED AND I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION THAT YOUR DESIGN THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING US HAS TAKEN THOSE DELINEATIONS INTO CONSIDERATION, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? 
          >> IT IS. IT'S CORRECT. 
          >> SO WHEN YOU'VE HAD THESE AREAS THAT ARE DELINEATED IN THEIR WETLANDS, OPEN SPACE COLUMN, WHATEVER YOU WANT. 
          THERE ARE ALSO HABITAT. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IN REGARDS TO OPEN SPACE AND HABITAT PROTECTION. 
          >> REEF HAS CHOSEN TO STAY OUT OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DELINEATED. 
          >> SO IS AVOIDANCE? 
          >> COMPLETE AVOIDANCE. 
          >> AS HE SAID, THERE WILL BE ALL THE LANDSCAPING AND BUFFERING AS WELL. 
          >> ALL THAT IS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING US HERE. PERFECT. 
          >> RIGHT. 
          >> THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION. I DO HAVE ONE MORE. 
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IS THE HOTEL GOING IN THIS BLOCK THAT'S LIKE IN THE MIDDLE, IS THAT THE PLAN WHERE THE HOTEL GOES? 
          >> IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF I JUST POINT TO IT. 
          >> PLEASE. 
          >> THIS AREA IS FOR THE HOTEL. 
          THIS AREA IS FOR AN ADJACENT USE YET TO BE DETERMINED. 
          FRANCHISING ISSUES THAT WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT TRACK. 
          THIS IS THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT. 
          VIEW POINT, THAT IS FOR REALLY OUR ENTIRE FRONTAGE, SO THE SELLER, JIMMY CARPENTER, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM. 
          HE CAME IN WITH A GOOD FRIEND OF OURS. 
          >> IF YOU DON'T MIND. I ALWAYS FORGET MYSELF THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE LISTENING THAT ARE NOT PRESENT. 
          >> [OVERLAPPING] AND HELD US TO 143 SPOTS. 
          ONE-HALF OF OUR FURNITURE ALREADY BEEN MITIGATED. 
          AND SO WE HAD ABOUT 1,000 FEET TO MITIGATE, WHICH WOULD HAVE REQUIRED 1000/15 FEET PER EVERY 15 FEET, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPACE. 
          I THINK WE NEEDED 85. WE PROVIDED 143. 
          I'M LIKE, WHY DO YOU MAKE US DO THAT, BUT WE'VE DONE IT AND WE'VE STOOD BY IT, AND WE STILL HAVE TRAFFIC ON OUR BEACH. 
          BUT WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT FOR RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DON'T WANT THAT TO GET IN THE WAY OF US GETTING STARTED. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] SEE THE NEXT REGION? IF THAT'S PUBLIC PARKING AND THIS IS A PRIVATE GATED, NOT GATED BUT PRIVATE COMMUNITY. 
          HOW ARE THEY GETTING TO THE PUBLIC PARKING? 
          >> THE PUBLIC PARKING IS OUTSIDE OF THE PORT AREA. 
          >> DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT WHERE'S THE ENTRANCE? 
          >> IS BEACH DRIVE. 
          >> IS BEACH DRIVE? PERFECT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, CARL. 
          >> HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, GUYS. 
          I KNOW A LOT OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT AND WAITING. 
          WE'RE GOING TO START ON THIS SIDE. 
          IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO START ON THE FRONT ROW AND MOVE BACK IN AND THEN WE'LL COME OVER TO THIS SIDE. 
          IF YOU DON'T MIND WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN-IN FOR US. 
          SO ON THIS SIDE, IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE FIRST ROW WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          >> MY NAME IS TOPHI SHIRAZI AND FROM BEACH TOWN. 
          >> BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP AS A COURTESY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JUST IN YOUR DISCUSSION THEN. 
          >> I HAVE THREE? 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >> I'M REPRESENTING THREE. 
          I HAVE THREE APPLICATION. I GOING TO PRESENT THREE, SO I GOT NINE MINUTES. 
          >> WELL, THEN I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU AS LONG AS YOU WANT TO STAND UP THERE UNTIL NINE MINUTES IS IT? 
          >> NO. 
          >> I THINK I ONLY WANT THREE. 
          >> I HAVE TO GET DOWN IN ONE MINUTE. 
          >> ONE MINUTE, PERFECT. YOU HAVE TO DO IT. 
          >> FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. 
          AS YOU KNOW, I'M A BEACH DEVELOPER AND AND JUST GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS COMING NEXT. 
          IT'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES FROM THE BEGINNING AND WE HAVE HAD SOME OF THEIR INVESTORS COME TO US AND ASK US ABOUT IF THEY WANT TO DO THE HOTEL WITH US. 
          BUT A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGING AND THEN THE HOTEL THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED IS EXAMINED BY GOOD ARCHITECT, BUT IT'S BEING SCALED OFF RIGHT NOW, FOR THE TIME BEING. 
          THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS JUST, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSING DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHAT AM I ASKING JUST GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THREE ITEMS IN HERE AND I'M ASKING YOU TO DEFER THIS BALL TODAY UNTIL WE CAN SIT WITH THEM AND ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR THE BEACH TOWN RESIDENTS. 
          WHEN WE DID BEACH TOWN, YOU PROBABLY A LOT OF YOU KNOW, THAT FIRST ONE YOU STARTED WITH THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT AND THEN AFTER GALVESTONIAN WAS BUILT ON AN ISLAND THAT IS. 
          SO THEY REALLY HATED US, AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE TO SEE US. 
          BUT WHAT WE DID, WE SENT AN INVITATION TO FRIENDS AND 
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FOES TO EVERY PUBLIC OFFICE AND WE INVITED EVERYBODY TO COME TO BE BEACH TOWN, AND WE RENTED HOTEL GALVEZ. 
          WE DID THE DESIGN WITH THE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO EVERYBODY TO COME AND OPINE AND GIVE THEIR INTERESTS WHAT THEY WANTED TO SEE. 
          THE AUDITORIUM DOWN AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND THE BASEMENT WAS USED AS A PINUP LOCATION, WHICH ARE THE ARCHITECTS WERE DESIGNING DURING THE DAY. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY PUT IT UP ON THE WALL FOR GALVESTONIAN NOT ONLY THE NEIGHBORS OVER THERE WHERE THE GALVESTONIAN THEY CAN OPINE ON IT. 
          AT THE END OF THE DAY, BASICALLY WHAT IT WAS, JUST GETTING EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. 
          GALVESTONIAN OWNERS REALLY DID HATE ME AT THE BEGINNING BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THEIR BACKYARD IS GOING TO GET DESTROYED. 
          IS GOING TO BE BETTER, SO THANK YOU. 
          WHEN THE THING WAS THAT THE AUDITORIUM OF US FALL AND THERE WAS A STANDING OVATION, AND THEN WHEN I CAME OUT, THOSE PEOPLE WHO WOULD TURN THEIR BACKS ON ME, IT WAS STARTING THE FINGERS VERY HAPPY BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THE DESIGN ITSELF. 
          WHAT THEY SAW, THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY IS GOING TO INCREASE QUITE A BIT. 
          HERE WE HAVE A CONCERN IN IS THAT FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES. 
          A LOT OF STORIES WITH YOU HEAR FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO CLAIMED ARE OUR PARTNERS IS THAT THERE ARE 278 HOMES IN HERE. 
          THIS IS A SUPER HIGH DENSITY AND THIS IS REACHED HUNDREDS, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT ROADWAY, WHICH IS 50 FEET, AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO HAS RECENTLY BEEN GOING DRIVING THROUGH THAT CURVE [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          >> I'M SORRY, SIR. 
          BUT YOUR THREE MINUTES IS UP, SO APPRECIATE IT. YOU ONLY GET. 
          >> WHY DO YOU [INAUDIBLE] THAT? 
          >> YEAH. THERE'S A COUNTDOWN. 
          [BACKGROUND] I KNOW IT'S JUST THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. 
          >> I DON'T MAKE THE RULES. SORRY. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH YOUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          >> THANK YOU, JUST TWO COLUMNS. 
          THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO SEE A WIDENING PROGRAM. 
          THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR US, THE WIDENING OF MAKING SURE THAT HE'S DONE. 
          >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          >> I'M JIM WEARE. 
          ALSO WITH TOVIA WITH SIMILAR INTERESTS WITH THE THREE MINUTES THAT I HAVE, I WOULD SAY THAT I THINK BEACH TOWN IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE DENSITY INSOFAR AS FIRE PROTECTION, INSOFAR AS POLICE PROTECTION, INSOFAR AS EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS. 
          YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO CREATE A PID WHICH SHRINKS THE LOT SIZES, WHICH ALLOWS PROJECTION INTO THE SETBACKS AND SHRINKS THE STREET SIZES. 
          AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO IMPACT THOSE OTHER THINGS I JUST MENTIONED. 
          ANOTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR THE CITY, IS WILL THE CITY, IF IT GRANTS THIS PID AND THESE DEVIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, WILL THE CITY REQUIRE OUR GROUNDBREAKING DEADLINE? WILL IT REQUIRE A COMPLETION DEADLINE? IF YOU REQUIRE NEITHER, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF GRANTING A PID? WHICH CHANGES THE LOT SIZES, PROJECTIONS INTO SETBACKS, AND STREET SIZES THAT ARE SO DIFFERENT THAN THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE OTHER GALVESTON CODE REQUIREMENTS. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK, SIR? ON FRONT ROW? NO. NEXT ROW BACK. 
          >> [NOISE] MY NAME IS LESS ROUSE. 
          I'M A HOMEOWNER AT THE ISLAND EAST CONDOMINIUMS AND ALSO A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THE ILDS CONDOMINIUMS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT THE DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ON THE WILDLIFE IN THAT AREA. 
          BEING A FULL-TIME RESIDENT, 
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I SEE THE COYOTE/RED WOLF HYBRIDS IN THIS AREA ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          WE SEE THEM ON OUR PROPERTY, ON THE BEACH AND ALSO ON THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. 
          I WONDER WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHAT CONSIDERATION THEY'VE GIVEN FOR PROTECTION OF THE WILDLIFE IN THIS AREA. 
          THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT WOULD IMPACT THE HABITAT OF THESE COYOTES. 
          IT WOULD LIMIT THEIR MOVEMENT TO AND FROM, AND AROUND THE HUNTING GROUNDS, AS WELL AS REDUCE THEIR OVERALL HABITAT AREA BECAUSE THEY DO COME ACROSS FROM WHERE THE I DON'T KNOW THE BACK 40 AREA IS. 
          THEY COME ACROSS RIGHT THROUGH THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S THEIR HABITAT. 
          AND YOU'RE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THEM. 
          SURVIVAL OF SMALL POPULATIONS OF COYOTES DEPENDS ON THE ABILITY TO MOVE ABOUT THEIR HABITAT. 
          CONTINUED HABITAT REDUCTION WILL ALSO MEAN REDUCTION IN THE COYOTE HABITAT POPULATION. 
          THE DNA OF THESE COYOTE HYBRIDS OR COLUMN, A CRITICAL FOR SAVING THE INDIGENT RED WOLF. 
          IF WHICH HAS ANY 40 INDIVIDUALS IN A CONTROLLED PACK AND NORTH CAROLINA, THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 40% RED WOLF DNA IN THEM. 
          AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE HIGH DNA COYOTES FROM THIS AREA TO TRY AND REPOPULATE THE RED WOLF POPULATION. 
          TO ENABLE EASILY MOVEMENT AROUND THE HABITAT. 
          I SUGGEST THAT THERE'S A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR ESTABLISHED BETWEEN THE EITHER THE EAST AND THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE DEVELOPMENT SO THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COMPLETELY BLOCKS THEIR ACCESS THROUGH TO THE BEACH THAT THEY USE ON A REGULAR BASIS NOW, SO I'D PROPOSE IT. 
          THEY INCLUDE A HABITAT CORRIDOR THROUGH THERE. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          I'M OPPOSED TO THE HIGH DENSITY OF IT. 
          I THINK IT CHEAPENS AREA BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM LOOK LIKE LITTLE TOWNHOUSES. 
          YOU KNOW THE REDUCTION OF THE STREET, YOU KNOW THE SETBACKS AND NARROW STREETS AND ALSO THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS IS A CONCERN FOR ME. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANKS. 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MARK WELCH, I'M AN OWNER AT ISLANDER LEASE AS WELL. 
          SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR THREE YEARS, SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOU GUYS ARE DOING FOR PUBLIC GOOD. 
          BIGGEST OBJECTION IS THE DENSITY HERE. 
          AND I HATE TO SPEND SOME OF MY TIME EXPLAINING WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO WITH PRIVATE STREET'S RIGHT-OF-WAY. 
          TYPICAL IS 60 FEET WIDE, 28 FOOT OF PAVEMENT EQUALS 16 FEET ON EACH SIDE OF GREEN SPACE. 
          BEFORE YOU GET TO THE LOT LINE. 
          THEN YOU HAVE 20 FEET BUILDING SETBACK. 
          THAT'S 656 SQUARE FEET OF GREEN SPACE LOST WHEN THEY GO TO PRIVATE STREETS. 
          IN ADDITION, TRYING TO GET A SMALLER LOT SIZE AND 4,000 REDUCES ANOTHER 1,130 SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S ALMOST THE 1,800 SQUARE FOOT, SMALLER LOTS, LESS GREEN SPACE ON EACH LOT. 
          WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMEND THAT THEY KEEP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE MINIMUM AT 4,000 SQUARE FEET LEVEL. 
          ALSO A CORRIDOR. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON THE FAR RIGHT LINE, THAT'S RIGHT AGAINST OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, THAT COULD BE 10 FOOT OFF OUR PROPERTY LINE WITH 50-FOOT HIGH BUILDING. 
          AND YOU CAN COUNT THEM. THERE'S EIGHT OR NINE OR 10 OF THEM. 
          NOT VERY GOOD, NOT VERY NEIGHBORLY. 
          TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF LANDSCAPE BUFFER. 
          THERE IS NO BUFFER THERE. IT'S 10 FEET. 
          WE WOULD LIKE A BUFFER OFF OUR PROPERTY. 
          AT THIS I'D LIKE TO CALL IT ALMOST A BUILD TO RENT COMMUNITY, WHICH IS NICE TREND GOING AROUND 
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THE COUNTRY THAT TURNS SINGLE-FAMILY LIKE LOTS INTO A RENTAL PROPERTY. 
          IT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER BUSINESS ENTITY THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED AROUND THE COUNTRY. 
          I THINK THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY HAS TO LOOK AND HAVE A POLICY ON THE BUILD TO RENT MODEL, WHICH WASN'T CONTEMPLATED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I WENT THROUGH IN DETAIL, THERE'S A LOT OF SHORTFALLS. 
          THEY FAILED TO MENTION THAT THE TARGETED EAST END PROPERTY IS IDEAL TO PROVIDE SOME MIDDLE-INCOME HOUSING FOR OPTIONS AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS. 
          NOT THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS ON A HOME. 
          A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY WITH THIS PROPERTY. 
          THE HOTEL IS GOING TO BE PRETTY DARN DANCE. 
          YOU HAD 350 PEOPLE THERE, ANOTHER 300 HERE. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN, THREE PEOPLE PER UNIT. 
          ON JULY 4, THERE'S OVER 2,000 PEOPLE MORE ON THE BEACH IN OUR AREA THERE. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. YOUR TIME'S UP. THANK YOU. 
          NEXT. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIGN-IN AND STATE YOUR NAME. 
          >> HELLO. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD AFTERNOON OR MAYBE IT'S GOOD EVENING NOW. 
          MY NAME IS JOE HEWITT FROM ISLANDER EAST CONDOMINIUM, WHERE MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE OWNED A UNIT FOR OVER 10 YEARS. 
          WE HAVE DEEP LOVE AND APPRECIATION FOR ALL THINGS GALVESTON. 
          WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR A LITTLE WHILE NOW THAT A DEVELOPER WAS PLANNING ON BUILDING AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE SAY YET A MARGARITAVILLE HOTEL ON E BEACH. 
          HOWEVER, THIS WEEK, WE WERE INFORMED OF AN INCREASED DENSITY BUILDING PROJECT, WHICH WAS A CURVE BALL. 
          LET ME SAY BY CRAMMING ALL THESE RESORT COTTAGES INTO A SMALL SPACE. 
          YOU'RE ULTIMATELY DESTROYING THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF E BEACH AND THE HABITAT OF OUR WILDLIFE. 
          PLEASE KNOW WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE SHOULD CONSIDER BUILDING ON A LESS DENSE SCALE. 
          IT APPEARS GREED FOR MORE GREED IS PART OF THE PROBLEM AND THE DRIVER HERE. 
          GREED ALTERS OUR SENSE OF PRIORITIES. 
          I'M ASKING YOU TODAY TO CONSIDER ALL THAT IS BEING SAID AND ASKED FOR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION. 
          DESPITE ALL THE GOOD THINGS BEING PRESENTED BY THE DEVELOPER, FINANCIAL GAIN APPEARS TO BE A PRIMARY MOTIVATOR. 
          WE NEED TO CREATE SOMETHING OF BEAUTY WITH GREEN SPACES, WELL-PLANNED HOME SITES ON APPROPRIATE LOT SIZES, PROMOTE ELEGANCE WITH WONDERFUL HISTORICAL DUE TO EMBRACE IT. 
          HISTORICAL ISLAND, AS MUCH AS THIS ISLAND DESERVES, PRIORITIZE SAFETY, SUPPORT OUR ENVIRONMENT CREATES SOMETHING TO BE AROUND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME, WHICH WE CAN ALL BE PROUD. 
          PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW FOR THE BUILDING OF AN OVERCROWDED TOURIST AREA WHICH ONLY SCREAMS, EASY MONEY GRAB. 
          PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION MOVING FORWARD AND SAYING NO TO THIS REQUEST FOR DEVIATION FOR THE CHANGES TO OUR LOT SIZES AND STREET SIZES. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT? 
          >> HELLO. I'M MANNY HEWITT. 
          I HAVE A UNIT AT 415 E BEACH WITH MY WIFE IN FRONT OF ME THERE. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS HAVE BEEN TOUCHED UPON EARLIER TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. 
          I BELIEVE I'VE HAD TWO BUSINESS DAYS TO ACTUALLY SEE THIS PLAT DIAGRAMS THAT DIRECTLY PUT OUT ON THE WEB. 
          OTHER MARGARITA TYPE AND DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDING ONE, FORT MYERS BEACH, FLORIDA THAT WAS VETTED OVER TWO YEARS. 
          WE'VE MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC FLOW SITUATION AND FROM LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING, IT APPEARS THAT OBVIOUSLY A TRAFFIC FLOW STEADY ISN'T NECESSARILY. 
          THERE PROBABLY WILL BE AS MANY AS 3,000 ADDITIONAL CARS ON EAST BEACH DR DURING THE HIGH SUMMER SEASON. 
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AS IT'S CURRENTLY PLANTED AT 245 ACTUAL UNITS VERSUS THE 278. 
          WHAT MOTIVE OTHER THAN FINANCIAL WOULD THERE BE FOR HAVING SUCH INTENSE DENSITY OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING ARE REQUESTING THESE VARIANCES TO THE EXISTING LDR. 
          WHICH MATERIALLY REDUCE LOT SIZES AND CREATE THIS INCREASED DENSITY. 
          COMBINATION OF THE HEIGHT OF THESE BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS THE REDUCED LATERAL VISIBILITY INSIDE THE RESURRECT AREA, COULD BE A DANGER FOR KIDS DRIVING BICYCLES AROUND THOSE AREAS. 
          AS WELL AS CARS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THAT 26 FOOT HIGHWAY. 
          HOW WILL EMERGENCY VEHICLES ACTUALLY GET IN IN CASE THERE IS AN EMERGENCY WHEN ALL THOSE CARS ARE PARKED IN THE WAY? WHERE ARE THE GREEN SPACES FOR THE POD AS WELL AS THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS AND BICYCLE MARKINGS ALONG EAST BEACH DR. 
          I WAS TOLD THAT A DOCTOR RESEARCH SERIOUSLY ON EAST BEACH DR SEVERAL YEARS AGO ON HIS BIKE. 
          WHAT SAFEGUARDS SEEMED TO BE PRESENT ALONG IT'S A VERY BUSY STREET. 
          SINCE THIS IS PRIVATE DRILLING WOULD BE PRIVATE. 
          WILL THERE BE CITY SERVICES, WATER, SEWER ALSO, WOULD THERE POSSIBLY BE CITY POLICE SURVEILLANCE INSIDE THE RHETORIC AREA. 
          WHO WILL GOVERN THE WORKINGS OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE AND WE'VE HEARD SOME THINGS ABOUT AN HOA BOARD, BUT WITH A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS. 
          WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED MANY OF THE ON-GROUND LOGISTICAL ISSUES THAT WILL POSSIBLY BE DRESSED IN HIS PUBLIC FORUM BY OTHERS. 
          WE DO STAND IN OPPOSITION TO THE POD UNLESS WE CAN SEE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE FOLLOWING, CREATING A BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN ISLANDER EAST AND THE POD WHICH COULD ACT AS GREEN SPACE SLASH PARK, MOVE INTO THE EASTERN ENTRANCE TO THE WEST TO LAKESIDE DR. 
          THIS WILL FACILITATE EXISTING TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          A DECREASE IN THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPED PRECIPITATED BY WIDER STREETS AND MORE NORMAL LDRS. 
          THIS OVER TRAFFIC LOCATION REQUIRES DENSITY CONTROL FOR PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE SAFETY, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, AND OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION RELATING TO A BALANCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL, COMMERCIAL, RECREATION AND AESTHETIC FACTORS ESSENTIAL TO A TOURIST DESTINATION, LIKE EACH BEACH. 
          WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE IS JUST A CRAM DOWN VERSION OF WHAT LOOKED LIKE AN URBAN SPRAWL IN A COMPLETELY WRONG ENVIRONMENT. 
          PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS DEVELOPED USING MUCH CLOSER GUIDELINES TO THE EXISTING LDRS. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD. 
          >> MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. 
          I AND MY WIFE RESIDE IN 47 GRAND BEACH IN PRESERVE. 
          I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA AND THE PRESERVE AT GRAND BEACH. 
          I HEAR YOU GUYS TALK AND COULD KEEP CALLING GRAND BEACH, IS TO PRESERVE AT GRAND BEACH IS OUR SUBDIVISION. 
          IN FACT, I WORKED WITH JIM CARPENTER TO HELP DEVELOP THAT PARKING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC PARKING FOR THE LAST, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED PROBABLY THERE FOR PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS. 
          LET ME START BY SAYING FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT PROGRESS. 
          THE REASON WHY OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO BE THERE, WE WANTED TO BE THERE AS WELL. 
          IT'S A NICE PLACE TO BE, NICE PLACE TO SPEND TIME. EVERYBODY LOVES IT THERE. 
          WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO BE THERE AS WELL. 
          BUT THERE ARE THREE POINTS THAT ARE REALLY CONCERNS FOR US AND BECAUSE WE DEAL WITH IT NOW, ONE YOU GUYS TOUCHED ON THE TRAFFIC. 
          WHERE TRAFFIC SURVEY IS GOING TO CONSTITUTE WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNALED LIGHTS, STOP SIGNS, IN GRASSES, EAT GRASS IS HOW FAR APART THEY NEED TO BE. 
          ONE IS REALLY CLOSE TO THE ONE THAT'S ON THE WEST END OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS RIGHT ALMOST ADJACENT TO OR ACROSS FROM WHERE OUR ENTRY IS AT THE PRESERVE. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PARAMETERS OR GUIDELINES OR DIMENSIONS FOR CULVERTS, DISTANCES BETWEEN BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          ALL OF THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED BY PEOPLE. 
          I'M SURE THAT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE INTELLIGENT ABOUT IT THAN I AM. 
          BUT YOU GUYS HAVE TOUCHED ON IT, THAT SOMETHING WAS VERY IMPORTANT HAVING TO DO WITH THE DENSITY. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE IN THE DEGREE OF TRAFFIC. 
          BUT ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS THAT IS THERE HAS TO DO WITH THE SHEET FLOW OF WATER AND DRAINAGE. 
          THAT'S EVEN A PROBLEM TODAY AND THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN, THE CIVIL DESIGN THAT'S OF THAT AREA CALLS FOR THE WATER THAT DRAINS FROM THE NORTH TO OF THE DUNES TO THE NORTH ACROSS EAST BEACH RD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT TODAY, BECAUSE IT'S LOWER. 
          I HAVE THE PHOTOS, THE VIDEOS THAT SHOW WATER FLOWING WITH THE WAKE COMING FROM OUR PROPERTY OUT OF EVACUATING FOR THOSE DITCHES INTO THIS PROPERTY, YOU CAN ALMOST SURF ON IT. 
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IT MOVES THAT FAST AND IT'S THAT MUCH. 
          ALL I'M SAYING IS WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE ALONG THE ROADWAY, THE DITCHES WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE, CIVIL ENGINEERS, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE WATER ROLLS DOWNHILL. 
          THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LOT OF ATTENTION PAID TO A LONG EAST BEACH RD BECAUSE ITSELF IS DOWN LOW. 
          DITCHES ONLY BE SO LOW OVER THE WATER IS NOT GOING TO FLOW. 
          I KNOW THERE'S A LIFT STATION ALSO THIS DESIGN. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO INTEGRATE, HOW IT GOING TO HANDLE THE CAPACITY THEREOF. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'D BE STORM SEWER, WHETHER IT'D BE SANITARY SEWER. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WATER AND WHEN, YES, IT'S BEEN A DROUGHT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          BUT IT'S GOING TO RAIN. 
          EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S GOING TO GET WET HERE AND WHEN IT DOES, IT GETS PLENTY. THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> TIME JUST GOES FAST WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> HI. 
          >> HELLO. 
          >> I'M A NEW RESIDENT TO GALVESTON ACTUALLY, AND I'M JUST BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THE CHARM OF THIS SMALL TOWN. 
          I'M MARRIED TO A LONGTIME RESIDENT. 
          HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN AROUND FOR GENERATIONS SINCE EVEN BEFORE THE STORM. 
          WE ARE RESIDENTS OF THE PRESERVE AT GRAND BEACH. 
          I DIDN'T WANT TO DUPLICATE ON SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE MUCH BETTER OPERATORS THAN I AM, BUT I DO WANT TO BRING FORWARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE. 
          I HAVE SAT HERE ALL AFTERNOON, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY VERY PROTECTION-MINDED, WHICH I APPRECIATE OF THE NATURAL STATE OF GALVESTON. 
          IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I LIVE AT GRAND BEACH AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREETS. 
          IN FACT, YOU GET FAT FINES IF YOU DO SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS, AND PEOPLE STILL DO PARK ON THE STREET, SO ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS. 
          WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SMALLER, AND THEN THEY'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREETS I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. 
          IS THAT GOING TO SPILL OUT OVER ON TO EAST BEACH, ALL ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT HAVE ANY PARKING BECAUSE I'M IMAGINING THEY'D PROBABLY ALSO DON'T HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE BIG ENOUGH TO PUT ALL THE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO GO INTO THOSE HOUSES IN THE SAME ROAD WHERE THAT UNFORTUNATE DOCTOR WAS KILLED ON HER BICYCLE BECAUSE IT IS A DANGEROUS ROAD? THAT'S PART OF THE THINGS THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE, BUT I COULD NOT PUT IT IN BETTER TERMS AS THIS GENTLEMAN DID OVER HERE, I SEE THAT WILDLIFE FROM MY HOME ALL THE TIME, AND IT ISN'T ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE AS WELL. 
          ALSO WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MANY CARS ARE GOING TO BE OVER HERE I THINK WE ONLY JUST TALKED ABOUT EAST BEACH ROAD, BUT ADDING THAT MANY CARS, LIKE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT 3,000 OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ALSO BROADWAY, AND I 45, ALL OF THAT. 
          IT'S A HUGE IMPACT, NOT JUST TO OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT GALVESTON AND GENERAL, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS MILLER JOHNSON, I'M A RESIDENT OF THE ISLAND OR EAST. 
          LIVED THERE FOR 17 YEARS. 
          MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT A UNIT, STUCK OUR TOE IN THE WATER, FELL IN LOVE. 
          SHE HAD BEEN COMING HERE FOR YEARS. 
          I GREW UP IN THE BEAUMONT AREA, MY PARENTS WOULD COME HERE, WE'D PLAY ON THE BEACH. 
          WE GOT LUCKY. NEXT TO HIS CAME OPEN, WE BOUGHT IT. 
          I RIPPED IT DOWN, I DID ASBESTOS ABATEMENT. 
          I'M NOT A RENTER, I'M NOT RENTING MY PROPERTY, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SLEEP IN MY BED, BUT ME [LAUGHTER]. 
          I'M A TRIAL LAWYER, MR. WARREN AND I HAVE BEEN IN LITIGATION. 
          HE REPRESENTED THE LAND BREEZE, I REPRESENTED THE ICONIC FLAGSHIP HOTEL IN THIS, YES. 
          I LOVE THIS CITY, IT'S WHERE I PLAN TO RETIRE IF I EVER DO. 
          I FIND TO BE YOUR FULL-TIME. 
          I SIT ON MY BALCONY ON THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THE ISLAND EAST. 
          YOU CAN COME JUST POINT TO SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY. CERTAINLY. 
          >> IT'S 50 FEET UP IN THE AIR, 
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45 FEET ABOUT RIGHT HERE. 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO 60-FOOT TALL BUILDINGS HERE. 
          >> IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          >> YES. 
          >> WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AND YOU'RE OVER THERE. THANK YOU. 
          >> YES, I'II BE THERE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WE'RE SIMULCAST OR WHATEVER. 
          THE FACT IS THAT THIS DENSITY DOESN'T FIT, IT DOESN'T WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK YOU'VE HAD 77 RESPONSES, HOW MANY OF THEM WERE? YOU GUYS SIT AS THE BAND GUARD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. 
          I PRINT OUT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, AND ONE OF THE COMPONENTS OF IT IS, IT IS FOR THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE BARGAINING PROCESS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND MUNICIPALITIES. 
          WE'RE HERE FOR YOU GUYS TO BARGAIN FOR US BECAUSE THEY NEED TO REDUCE THE DENSITY, THE DOWNTURN, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THE STANDARD IS 60-FOOT CIRCLES. 
          I DO LAND USE LITIGATION. 
          SIXTY-FOOT CIRCLES IN A CUL-DE-SAC FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE. 
          GET YOUR FIRE CHIEF DOWN HERE AND SAY, WHAT HAPPENS IF I PULL A FIRE ENGINE DOWN TO ONE OF THE ENDS OF THOSE ROADS, YOU GOT A REAL PROBLEM. 
          YOU PUT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THERE AND THEY'RE RENTERS AND THEY'RE LIQUID UP ON THE WEEKEND, AND THEY CATCH ON FIRE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MESS. 
          I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT IT CAREFULLY, I'M NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT. 
          I REPRESENT DEVELOPERS. THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, THEY MAKE MONEY, THEY'RE HERE TO MAKE MONEY. 
          THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR ENGINE GO. 
          BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME REASONABLE LOOKS AT THIS, THERE'S TOO MANY PLACES THERE AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM. 
          I ALSO WANT A BUFFER BECAUSE I SEE THE COYOTE, RED FOXES. 
          I LIKE TO GET UP ON SUNDAY MORNING AND YOU CAN SEE THEM. 
          IT'S THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD, SITTING ON YOUR BALCONY AND WATCHING EITHER BUTTERFLIES COMING THROUGH. 
          I'M WORRIED ABOUT BUTTERFLIES TOO [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I COULD TALK ALL DAY. 
          >> YOU'RE A TRIAL ATTORNEY. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] SO MUCH I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR VOLUNTEERS AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A FABULOUS JOB, THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU. NEXT ROW, YOU GUYS IN THE BASEBALL CAP, YOU GUYS GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, NEXT ROW BACK. COME ON DOWN. 
          >> I'M MARION FICO AND I LIVE AT PALISADE PALMS, AND I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE, AND I'D LIKE IT TO SHRINK BACK DOWN. 
          BUTTOCK OR ROAD IS NOT GOING TO BE PASSABLE IN A LONGER AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A NEW ROAD TO GET TO APPLE PARK, SO THAT'S ALSO GOING TO INCREASE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH OUR SUBDIVISION, AND ALSO A CONCERN FOR WILDLIFE AS WELL. 
          THE BUTTERFLIES, THE BIRDS, THE WOLVES, COYOTES. 
          YES, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, BUT JUST PLEASE CONSIDER THAT IT IS RESIDENTIAL, AND WHAT'S THE AGE LIMIT OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO RENT? AS WE KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN GALVESTON WITH RENTAL, I READ IT IN THE PAPER. 
          THAT'S PART OF OUR CONCERN AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE. I'LL TURN IT OVER. 
          >> HERE'S ANOTHER. THERE YOU GO. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? COME FORWARD, MA'AM. 
          >> THERE YOU GO 
          >> PLEASE SIGN IN AND TELL US YOUR NAME. 
          >> HOLD ON. 
          HELLO. MY NAME IS JENNY YEN. 
          I'M ALSO AT THE PALISADE PALMS. ORIGINALLY, I HEARD THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC STUDY, THEN THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE DONKEY HERE BECAUSE THE LOT SIZES SHOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND WHAT IT CAN SUSTAIN. 
          WE ALL KNOW FROM EVENTS ON E-SPEECH, EVEN NOW, THERE IS A TOTAL TRAFFIC JAM AND THERE'S POLICE DIRECTING TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY STALLED. 
          I'VE HAD PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO THE CONDO FOR OVER AN HOUR OR LONGER 
          [03:10:04]
BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WITH THIS DENSITY THAT IS GOING TO BE ANY BETTER. 
          THERE'S ONLY TWO SMALL ROADS INTO THAT AREA. 
          HOW IS THAT GOING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THIS INCREASED TRAFFIC? I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYBODY ON THIS SIDE? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN. 
          >> MY NAME IS GARY FRIEDMAN. 
          I'M HERE REPRESENTING MY WIFE. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> AT LEAST YOU'RE HONEST ABOUT IT, SIR. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> NOW, WHAT DO I SAY NOW? [LAUGHTER] FOR 12 YEARS, SHE HAD A CONDO WITH THE GALVESTONIAN, AND NOW WE'RE AT PALISADE PALMS FOR 13 YEARS. 
          I'VE HAD 25 YEARS OF MARITAL BLISS, [LAUGHTER] LOOKING AT THESE TWO CONDOMINIUMS. I THINK SEVERAL IMPORTANT ISSUES. 
          NUMBER 1 IS A PRIVATE ROAD. 
          WHO WILL MAINTAIN THAT PRIVATE ROAD ONCE THE HOA HAS GONE OR HAS PASSED OUT OF YOUR OWNERSHIP? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FLOOD WATERS COMING ACROSS AND ACROSS THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT WILL WASH OUT ROADS AND IT CERTAINLY CAN. 
          IS THE COUNTY GOING TO TAKE OVER THESE ROADS TO THE CITY? DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DIG THESE ROADS TO THE CITY? IF THEY DO, WILL THEY MEET CITY OR COUNTY SPECS? NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS I'VE BEEN LISTENING CAREFULLY AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 
          IS THIS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY BECAUSE I HEAR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. 
          [NOISE] BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I SEE THERE'S A 450-SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE AND I READ A PROSPECTUS AND IF I READ IT RIGHT, OVER 100 OF THESE UNITS ARE IN THE 450-SQUARE-FOOT RANGE. 
          IS THIS GOING TO BE A RENTAL? IS THIS JUST TO PROMOTE TOURISM, OR VACATION RENTAL? IS THIS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WHERE WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE FOR SCHOOLS, POLICE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SCHOOL BUSES COMING DOWN THESE PRIVATE ROADS? I'M NOT SURE. 
          FOLLOWING THE QUESTION OF AMENITIES, RESTAURANTS AND MAINLY THE HOTEL, WE SEE A BIG BLANK SPACE THERE. 
          CLOSE YOUR EYES, OPEN THEM UP AND PRETEND THAT BLANK SPACE IS FULL OF LITTLE SQUARES BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE, WAS IT THREE OR 400-ROOM HOTEL, TWO PEOPLE PER ROOM, FIVE OR 600 PEOPLE? BE HONEST WITH US, PUT THOSE SQUARES IN THERE, BECAUSE WE TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION THE FULL IMPACT OF A HOTEL. 
          NOW I'VE HEARD BY A RUMOR THAT THE HOTEL IS NAMED AFTER A FAMOUS MUSICIAN WHO RECENTLY DIED AND IT'S CALLED GRACELAND. [LAUGHTER] ALL I CAN SAY IS I LOVE YOUR IDEA. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE TOO DAMN MANY HOUSES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT  [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] .[LAUGHTER] 
          >> SIR, UNFORTUNATELY YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          [LAUGHTER] BUT YOU CAN SEE HIM ON FRIDAY DOWN AT THE STRAND. [LAUGHTER] ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? 
          >> I'LL SIGN IN WHEN DONE, BUT THANK YOU. 
          FIRST OFF, MY THANKS TO THIS COMMISSION AND YOU, COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI FOR STAYING HERE AND GIVING UP YOUR FAMILY TIME FOR US THIS EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS HADDEN DIETRICK. 
          MY WIFE AND I HAVE RESIDED AT THE GALVESTONIAN CONDOMINIUM FOR THE LAST 19 YEARS. 
          I WANTED TO JUST ADDRESS ONE THING. 
          I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT ANYONE'S SAID SO FAR, BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC SITUATION. 
          EAST BEACH DRIVE IS A SMALL TWO-LANE ROAD, NO SHOULDERS, NO SIDEWALKS UNTIL YOU GET FURTHER DOWN INTO PAST LAKESIDE DRIVE. 
          WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, ALL OF THE ACCESS FOR THESE UNITS ARE GOING TO COME OFF OF EAST BEACH DRIVE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, THAT'S GOING TO BE JUST SLIGHTLY EAST OF LAKESIDE DRIVE. 
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YOU'RE COUNTING 278 UNITS, ANOTHER 312 AT THE HOTEL. 
          IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO GET DUMPED ON THAT LITTLE TWO-LANE BLACK TOP. 
          MOST OF THE FOLKS OF US THAT LIVE IN THE THREE CONDOMINIUMS IN BEACHTOWN WILL PROBABLY END UP TAKING LAKESIDE DRIVE UP TO APFFEL PARK DRIVE TO GET UP TO THE SEAWALL TO GET OUT JUST TO AVOID THAT. 
          THE PART THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME, THE PARK BOARD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES WITH BODDEKER ROAD IS LOOKING AT MOVING THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE APFFEL PARK TO THE END OF APFFEL DRIVE WHICH IS RIGHT NOW THE BACK WAY IN. 
          HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, SUMMER WEEKEND, SPECIAL EVENTS, YOU KNOW WHAT A MESS IT IS ON THE SEAWALL AND BODDEKER RIGHT NOW. 
          THINK OF ALL THAT GETTING ADDED INTO BEACHTOWN AND THE THREE CONDOS. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. SO THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW, THINK ABOUT PUTTING A LIGHT BACK OUT ON THE SEAWALL THERE AT APFFEL PARK DRIVE TO HELP US GET OUT BECAUSE THAT, IN THE OVERGROWTH OF THE BRUSHES ALONG WHEN YOU PULL UP THE STOP SIGN, LEGALLY STOPPED AT THE STOP SIGN, YOU CAN'T SEE A THING. 
          YOU'VE GOT TO PULL OUT TO THE STREET BEFORE YOU CAN TURN ONTO THE SEAWALL. 
          AGAIN, LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW, AND THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES. 
          >> THANK YOU SIR. 
          >> YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> HOWDY. 
          L'M JEFF SEINSHEIMER. 
          I'M A FIRST-GENERATION GALVESTONIAN, I'M CHAIR OF THE SURFRIDER FOUNDATION, GALVESTON CHAPTER. 
          WE ADVOCATE FOR BEACH ACCESS, PROTECTION OF OCEANS AND BEACHES. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SACRIFICES AND DEDICATION. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO SPEAK UP ON THE PROBLEM OF SO MANY VARIANCES. 
          REMEMBER, YOU'RE SETTING PRECEDENTS AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU TO ALL YOUR BEAUTIFUL CONCERNED CITIZENS BEHIND ME, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL DIRECTLY BENEFIT FROM THIS? LIKE PORCH CAFE? THEY APPARENTLY DON'T EVEN SUPPORT THIS. 
          I REALIZED THIS IS HIS OWN RESIDENTIAL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO DEVELOP EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE EITHER. 
          NOW THAT THE CATS OUT, THAT THEY WILL END UP VRBOS I COMPLETELY OBJECT, VARIANTS OR NOT. 
          THE FACT THAT THEY WANT TO CRAM THEM IN THEIR SPELLS ALL KINDS OF TROUBLE WITH NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T GO TO THE VRBO ROUTE. 
          WILL YOU LOSE IN A NATURAL FLOODPLAIN AS MENTIONED? LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS AT STUART BEACH. 
          THE PROXIMITY TO EAST END LAGOON AND PRESERVE, THE GALVESTON ISLAND NATURE TOURISM COUNCIL HAS DONE AMAZING WORK DOWN THERE AND THIS IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THEM IN THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND HABITAT THEY PRESERVED. 
          YOU COVERED UP WHAT TOURISTS LOVE, NATURE AND OPEN SPACES, WETLANDS. 
          THE APPLICANT INSIST THAT THEY WILL LEAVE THOSE INTACT. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT THAT LEAVES? A DITCH. 
          BEACH ACCESS SQUEEZED, GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO A PUBLIC ACCESS POINT. 
          TOURISTS DON'T WANT TO GO SPEND THEIR DAY NEXT TO A SUBDIVISION OF HOUSES ON THE BEACH FULL OF MORE PEOPLE. 
          IF THEY GO DOWN THERE, IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE CROWDED SEAWALL WITH NO PARKING LEFT ALL SUMMER LONG. 
          THEY GO DOWN THERE NOW BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER LIKE SUNNY BEACH ANYMORE ON THE WEST END WITH ALL OF ITS NEW CONSTRUCTION RUIN THE VIBE THERE. 
          THE DEVELOPER WANTS THE VARIANCE TO CRAM MORE BUILDINGS IN THERE. 
          SPEAKING OF TRAFFIC, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT AT LEAST FIVE OTHER MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS YET TO BE COMPLETED BESIDE VILLAGE TO PRESERVE A GRAM BEACH ROSIE AT BEACH GOING INTO 11 MILE ROAD, TIARA CONDO, THE NEW 26 ACRES AT THE AIRPORT OF FOURTH CRUISE SHIP TERMINAL. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S MUCH MORE I'VE FORGOTTEN ABOUT. 
          FOR GOD'S SAKES, TAKE A PAUSE, LET ALL OF THE ALREADY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT GET FINISHED TO DETERMINE THE EFFECT ON POPULATION DENSITY, TRAFFIC, AND QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          THERE'S OFTEN TRAFFIC GRIDLOCK ON THE SEAWALL, BROADWAY, 61 STRAND HARBOR SIDE. 
          GALVESTON IS LOSING ITS SOUL ALONG WITH ITS NATURAL SPACES AND MUCH OF ITS YOUR FAULT AND THE CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THE ARTISTS BOAT BUYING UP THE WEST END BEFORE YOU LET DEVELOPERS RUIN IT. 
          PLEASE TAKE A PAUSE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. 
          IF YOU GO INTO ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT, IT SHOULD BE FOR MIDDLE-CLASS HOUSING, FOR RESIDENTS THAT WORK HERE BUT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE AND RAISE A FAMILY HERE. 
          THE ONLY GOOD THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT IT'S NOT A HIGH-RISE CONDOS THAT WILL MAKE US CONTINUE TO LOOK MORE LIKE MIAMI. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROOM? 
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IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AND HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO? 
          >> CAN WE HAVE OTHER PETITIONERS BE TURNING IN? 
          >> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. 
          JUST SO YOU CAN BRING THOSE FORWARD AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE DO RECEIVE ALL OF THOSE WRITTEN RESPONSES BACK FROM THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE SENT AND THEY'RE SENT TO US. 
          >> THESE HAVE BEEN SCANNED. 
          >> THEY ARE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD. 
          I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, NOBODY LEFT HERE TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL CLOSE THE HEARING AT [BACKGROUND] OH, I'M SORRY. 
          SEE, I'M TRYING TO GET GOING HERE. 
          COME ON GUS. 
          NO [LAUGHTER]. 
          >> HOW ARE YOU ALL? 
          >> GOOD, GOOD. 
          >> YOU ALL WANT TO HEAR FROM ME? 
          >> YOU GUYS TELL ME IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS. 
          IT'S THE ONES I WROTE DOWN, DENSITY, DEADLINES, WILDLIFE, TRAFFIC STUDY, DRAINAGE, UTILITIES. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS TO THOSE. 
          BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE HERE. 
          >> ABSOLUTELY. 
          >> PLEASE DO SO. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, FOLKS AND TOES. 
          >> LOVE TO. TRAFFIC. AS PART OF THIS PROCESS THE CITY AND COMPLIMENTS TO THE CITY ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY. 
          WE'RE DOING ONE. AS CARL HAS SAID, WHAT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY COMES BACK AND WHAT THE CITY SAYS NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT THE DEVELOPERS ARE READY TO DO. 
          WHETHER THAT'S A STOPLIGHT OR STOP. 
          I AM A LAWYER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO HAZARD A GUESS, BUT IT MIGHT BE. 
          BUT THE CITY HAS RETAINED PROFESSIONALS. 
          THE DEVELOPER HAS RETAINED PROFESSIONALS TO TELL DEGREED LICENSED ENGINEERS TO TELL US, AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S PART REVEALS PROCESS EVERY DAY. 
          NO ISSUE THERE. TIMING. HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THAT. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          THERE'S A TIMING. WE'VE REQUESTED CARL TOUCHED ON IT. 
          IT'S NORMALLY TWO YEARS. WE REQUESTED THREE. 
          BUT STANDARD, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE TOR PROJECT CAME BACK IS BECAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF TIME. 
          BUT THAT'S WHY WE HAVE REQUESTED AT A TIME, THERE IS A TIMING REQUIREMENT IN THE LDRS. 
          WE'VE REQUESTED A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO THAT. 
          EMERGENCY ACCESS AS TIM HAD SAID, AND MICHELLE HAD SAID. 
          CARL HAS ECHOED ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPER, ALL OF THIS WILL BE DONE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE FIRE MARSHAL. 
          IF THE FIRE MARSHAL DOES NOT SIGN OFF, THEN THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. 
          WE ARE NOT HERE ASKING FOR YOU TO OVERRULE SOMETHING THE FIRE MARSHAL HAS SAID. 
          THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST AT ALL. 
          I HEARD THAT, AS CARL HAD SAID, THE 450 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, THAT IDEA IS REALLY GONE. 
          THEN SPEAKING TO THE VARIANCE OR THE REQUESTS WE'RE MAKING, THEY ARE STRICTLY RELATED TO LOT SIZE. 
          THE COMMERCIAL AND REDS WRECK REQUIRE 40 FEET OF FRONTAGE. 
          WE MEET OR EXCEED THAT FOR ALL OF THE LINES. 
          THE VARIANCE WE ARE REQUESTING DEALS WITH THE DEPTH OF THE LAW, NOT THE FRONTAGE ALONG THE STREET. 
          WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR HEIGHT. 
          THE RESURRECT IS UNLIMITED HEIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THAT. WE'RE NOT. 
          I HEAR COMPLAINTS ABOUT HEIGHT, BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU ALL TO CHANGE THE HEIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING ANYONE TO ADDRESS IT. 
          WE'RE ASKING IT TO REMAIN UNCHANGED AS IT WERE. 
          I KNOW THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THE STREETS. 
          GENERALLY, THE STREET REMAINS PRIVATE. 
          IT REMAINS AN OBLIGATION OF THE HOA. 
          WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WHEN WE SAY PRIVATE STREETS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NEW STREET. 
          EAST BEACH DRIVE IS NOT PRIVATE NOW NOR WILL IT BE PRIVATE. 
          I MEAN, THAT IS THE CITIES. 
          THE PRIVATE STREETS WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE HOMEOWNERS. 
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I'M NOT GOING TO OPINE AS TO DEDICATION OF STREETS IN THE FUTURE. 
          THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY, NOR HAS THAT BEEN CONTEMPLATED. 
          DID I ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER OR? 
          >> I WAS JUST GIVING YOU A CHANCE [BACKGROUND]. 
          >> THE WILDLIFE? YES. AS MR. KART SAID, THE WAY WE'RE DEALING WITH THE WILDLIFE IS WE'RE NOT MESSING WITH THEM. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE PROTECTED WETLANDS AND THE EXISTING BOND. 
          [BACKGROUND] OH, I'M SORRY. OH, OKAY. SORRY. 
          >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> SPEAKING AS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, AS MR. KART SAID WE ARE NOT ENCROACHING ON THE PROTECTED WETLANDS. 
          THAT'S HOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEAL WITH IT. LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 07:03. 
          BRING IT BACK TO COMMISSION FOR ACTION. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION TO APPROVE 23P-064. 
          >> I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE 23 P-064. 
          DISCUSSION. MR. PINION. 
          >> I'LL GO AHEAD. I JUST SAID THAT. NO DOUBT. 
          I FIRMLY BELIEVED THAT THIS WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT WITH WELL LANDSCAPED AND WELL WELL THOUGHT OUT. 
          BUT THE BUILD TO RENT MODEL THAT'S EXTREMELY CONCERNING. 
          IT DOES NOTHING TO MEET OR ALLEVIATE EXISTING RESIDENTS' PAINS ASIDE FROM INCREASING THE TAX BASE. 
          BUT AT WHAT COST? MORE PEOPLE, MORE TRAFFIC, MORE DISRUPTION TO ISLAND CULTURE. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT PROMOTE LONG-TERM RESIDENCY, BUT IT'S PRICED ALMOST TO DISCOURAGE IT 700-950/SQUARE FOOT IS NOT PRICED AS HOUSING, BUT AS A FRANCHISE FEE INTO A BUSINESS MARKETED TO NON-RESIDENTS WHO MAY NOT EVER STEP FOOT ON OUR ISLAND. 
          A GREAT PLACE TO VISIT BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. 
          I DON'T SEE THIS PID IS HELPING TO PROMOTE THAT CLAIM. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I'VE HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS AND I KNOW THAT THE PRESERVED GRAM BEACH IS RESTRICTED TO 4,000 SQUARE FEET LOTS. 
          I HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE DENSITY IN THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. 
          BIG 4,000 SQUARE FEET, LOTS? 
          >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE DENSITY BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO DO IT. 
          THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY. WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IT'S ABOUT MONEY. BUT I GUESS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE ALL THESE CONDOMINIUMS. I GUESS YOU GUYS, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DENSITY, ALSO THINK ABOUT THE CONDOMINIUMS ARE VERY DENSE AS WELL. 
          WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY AND THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY FEELING THE PAIN FROM THE TRAFFIC. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CONDOMINIUMS ARE IN EACH HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN EACH ONE OF THESE CONDOMINIUMS? BUT ONCE WE ADD THAT TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADD TO IT, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE OF TRAFFIC OVER THERE. 
          I LIVE BY THE CAUSEWAY AND I SEE THE CAUSEWAY ON HOLIDAY SEASONS, AND MEN, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET ON THE ISLAND. 
          IF WE ADD ANOTHER ALMOST 800 HOMES TO THAT, THAT WILL BE EXCEPTIONAL TRAFFIC. 
          I'M A BUSINESS OWNER, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY. 
          I THINK THAT MAYBE IF IT WASN'T SO DENSE, I DON'T THINK I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND OUR AUDIENCE IS GOING TO GROW. 
          WE MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME. 
          IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. 
          MAYBE IF WE HAVE THE LOT SIZES STAY THE SAME, WE DON'T GIVE AWAY THE LOT SIZES THEN. 
          HEY, I THINK IT'S A GOOD TO GO FOR ME. 
          >> YES, SIR. 
          >> WELL, I ECHO THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LOT SIZES. 
          IF I OWNED A PROPERTY ADJACENT AT THE GRAND PRESERVE, I'D BE CONCERNED. 
          I CAN SEE WHERE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CONDOMINIUMS TO THE EAST OF IT WOULD BE CONCERNED. 
          I CAN SEE WHERE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED WITH WILDLIFE ARE CONCERNED. 
          [03:30:06]
I CAN SEE THAT CLEARLY AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL SIDE OF THE EAST SIDE AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE EAST AND WEST. 
          THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THEY'RE LAID OUT AND THE WAY THE TRAFFIC RUNS ON WILDLIFE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          I THINK IT'S UNIQUE THERE. 
          MY BIG CONCERN, DENSITY AND ALSO TRYING TO, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING INTO THE WETLANDS. 
          BUT WE KNOW THAT THE ANIMALS TRAVEL BACK AND FORTH TO THE BEACH. 
          WE KNOW THEY TRAVEL NORTH AND SOUTH AND THAT'S PART OF THEIR WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. 
          THE TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT SHOULD RAISE ALL OUR, I MEAN, NOT RAISE HIS EYEBROWS. 
          WHEN WE START LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC ISSUE. 
          ONE GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT LIKE 3,000 CARS. 
          NOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO STUART BEACH ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU CAN REALIZE WHAT THEY WOULD MEAN TO THOSE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE EAST SIDE IF WE ADD THIS MANY MORE HOMES. 
          I THINK WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE CORE THING THAT SHE'S MENTIONED AND STEVENS MENTIONED IS WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE DENSITY. 
          THE DENSITY IS JUST IT JUST BOGGLES MY MIND. 
          BEING ONE THAT HAS GONE DOWN TO PANAMA CITY AND GULF SHORES AND SEEING THE DENSITY DOWN THERE, MY BIGGEST CONCERN FOR OUR ISLAND IS WE'RE GOING TO GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF HIGH-RISES AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE ANY PART OF THE BEACH IF YOU RESIDE HERE AND YOU RESIDE NORTH OF THE SEAWALL BOULEVARD. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THIS A UNIQUE ISLAND LIKE IT IS. 
          WE KEEP IT WITH A PERSONALITY LIKE IT IS. 
          WHEN WE START THROWING IN HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THESE SMALLER UNITS, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT. 
          THAT'S WHY I FEEL GUYS. 
          >> SURE. 
          >> I THINK MY FIRST RED FLAG WAS PRIVATE STREETS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I LIKE ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE BEACH TOWN IS THAT YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THERE, YOU CAN PARK, YOU CAN GET OUT, YOU COULD WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'S A PLUS. 
          THIS TO ME IS JUST A VERY HEAVY FOOTPRINT FOR THAT PART OF GALVESTON. 
          IT'S GOING TO EAT UP A LOT OF RESOURCES AND I THINK I WOULD NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE LOOKING AT REDUCING THESE LOT SIZES, I THINK YOU COULD BUILD A WONDERFUL PROJECT WITH THE EXISTING LOT SIZES. 
          IT IS A RENTAL PROJECT. 
          THIS IS NOT A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY IT IS, THIS IS A BIG RENTAL PROJECT. 
          THIS IS A BIG VACATION RENTAL PROJECT. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT FOR GALVESTON, BUT MY BIG CONCERN IS THAT IT'S A HEAVY FOOTPRINT. 
          THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE, PROBABLY. 
          WHEN I USED TO LIVE ON THE EAST END, YOU'D SEE THE CONFIDENCE OF TRAFFIC ON SEAWALL, BROADWAY. 
          ALL OF THAT JUST COMING IN JUST AS BIG KNOT OF CARS AND NOBODY WAS GOING ANYWHERE. 
          I THINK THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT VERY VERY CAREFULLY FOR GALVESTON. 
          I MEAN, EVEN DURING MARDI GRAS, WE HAVE TO BRING IN FIRST RESPONDERS FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT COUNTIES JUST TO HANDLE THAT INFLUX OF PEOPLE. 
          LONE STAR RALLIES, SO WE'LL BE HAVING I THINK TOO MANY HEADACHES THAT WERE NOT READY TO DEAL WITH YET. 
          I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. 
          I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. I HOPE YOU GOT A LOT OF MONEY. 
          BUT WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED AND JUST SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT. 
          BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE VISION GALVESTON HAVE PUT SO MUCH WORK INTO MAKING THIS PLACE A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. 
          THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THE EAST END LAGOON. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS WITH THIS PROJECT. 
          >> GO AHEAD, JOHN. 
          >> JUST A MINUTE HERE. BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WHICHEVER WAY THIS VOTE GOES, IT GOES TO COUNSEL HERE SOON. 
          THEY'LL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT AND SINCE IT WILL GO TO TO COUNSEL, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST STAY AT A COUPLE OF THINGS ON WHAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT DOES GO TO COUNSEL IN TRAFFIC ISN'T MY MAIN CONCERN. 
          PERSONALLY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DENSITY. 
          THIS AREA WAS ALWAYS SLATED FOR HIGH-RISE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S AN AREA THAT HAS UNLIMITED HIGH. 
          [03:35:01]
WE SEE TWO OF THE TALLEST TOWERS IN GALVESTON. 
          ON THIS AREA BEACH, WHICH IS EXTREMELY DENSE. 
          I MEAN, YOU CANNOT GET MORE DENSE THAN A HIGH-RISE CONDOMINIUM. 
          DENSITY DOESN'T REALLY CONCERN ME AS MUCH. 
          I UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD CONCERN SOME, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I OVERLOOK, BUT TRAFFIC IS MY MAIN ISSUE IN THIS AREA. 
          E SPEED DRIVE IS A VERY NARROW STRIP RIGHT NOW AND I WOULD BE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THAT STREET AND HOW THAT WOULD GET DEVELOPED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO FACILITATE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE AREA. 
          DRAINAGE IS ANOTHER BIG ISSUE. 
          I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. 
          I THINK THE ENGINEERS CAN DEAL WITH THAT, BUT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THAT WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL. 
          THEN I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE-YEAR DEADLINE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW. 
          BUT THOSE PERMITS, I'LL BE ASKING SOME MORE QUESTIONS WITH STAFF ON THOSE BUILDING PERMITS IF THAT IS INDIVIDUAL HOUSE BUILDING PERMITS OR STRUCTURE PERMITS, OR IF THAT IS JUST THE PERMIT OF APPROVING PLATS AND PUTTING STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH I THINK IT IS, BUT I'LL ASK THAT AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE MY BIG COMMENTS FOR NOW AND I'LL STOP THERE. 
          >> I LOOK AT THIS. 
          IF I'M OVER ON ISLANDER EAST, THESE GUYS COULD COME PUT ANOTHER TOWER THERE. 
          I ALWAYS LOOK AT THESE AGO, HEY, SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. 
          THOSE GUYS COULD PUT A TOWER WHERE THOSE HOUSES ARE AND ALL THEY GOT TO DO IS COME DOWN HERE AND ASK FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. 
          THERE'S NO PLANNING IN THAT. 
          I MEAN THEY ARE APPROVED. 
          TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN, AND HE'S ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, THAT THESE GOT SOME WORK TO DO, AND THAT'S ALSO THE INTENT OF PADS. 
          I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF PADS AS HE SHOWING UP WITH HIS COLORING BOOK AND GO, AND THIS IS THE PICTURE I WANT TO PAY. 
          HE HASN'T EVEN PICKED OUT THE COLORS YET. 
          IT'S A FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS. 
          THE 450 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. 
          I DON'T GET THAT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS. NOT PARTICULARLY MINE. 
          ALL IN ALL, I LIKED THE CONCEPT. 
          IF IT WAS A LITTLE LESS DENSE, EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE IT. 
          I DO THINK TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A CONCERN AND THEN I WOULD ALSO TELL YOU THAT, YOU'RE DOWN THERE BY THE EAST END LAGOON, THAT'S A VERY UNIQUE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA. 
          I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU COULD DO TO IMPROVE ON THAT. 
          BUT ALL IN ALL, I LIKED THE CONCEPT AND I THINK PADS ARE CONCEPTS. 
          FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON, I'D LET HIM GET OUT HIS BOX OF COLORS AND GIVE US A PICTURE. 
          IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR? THOSE OPPOSED? DID YOU VOTE? 
          >> IN FAVOR. 
          >> IN FAVOR. WE HAVE TWO IN FAVOR, AND THAT WOULD BE FOUR OPPOSED. 
          THE MOTION FAILS. THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> WOULD THE COMMISSION LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? 
          >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? 
          >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? 
          >> IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION. 
          >> YOU CAN CONDITION IT IF YOU WANTED TO PUT ADD CONDITIONS TO IT THAT MIGHT MAKE IT PASS OR YOU COULD SEND IT TO COUNSEL WITH A FOUR TO TWO DENIAL. 
          >> CAN I SPEAK CANDIDLY? I WOULD LOVE TO ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE. YES, MA'AM. 
          >> THE REASON WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND ANOTHER MOTION IS THAT IT'S FOUR TO TWO. 
          SO THERE'S AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, THERE IS A FOUR IS GOING TO BE A PASSING OF SOMETHING. 
          [03:40:01]
          >> YES. 
          >> IT'S NOT A THREE-TO-TWO WHERE IT FAILS FOR LACK OF FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES IN WHATEVER MANNER. 
          I WOULD ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION IF IT ENDS UP THREE IN TWO AND IT FAILS, BUT IF IT ENDS UP FOUR IN TWO, THEN WHATEVER THAT MOTION IS, THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. [BACKGROUND] 
          >> DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? 
          >> NO. 
          >> I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE IT AND IT FAILED. 
          >> IT FAILED. 
          >> WHAT ARE YOU SAYING TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION TO? 
          >> APPROVE IT. 
          >> RIGHT NOW YOU CAN MAKE ANOTHER MOTION, WHATEVER THAT MOTION IS TO SEE IF IT CAN PASS. 
          >> RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE NOT REALLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          >> YES. 
          >> RIGHT NOW YOU'VE MADE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. 
          THAT MOTION HAS FAILED, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REPORT. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> THAT'S WHY YOU PAY THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS BIG BUCKS. 
          [LAUGHTER] 
          >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY, 23P WHATEVER IT IS. 
          >> THAT'S 24. 
          >> HELP ME OUT. 23P-064. 
          >> WAIT A SECOND. 
          >> CAN YOU ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THAT? 
          >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> THE DENIAL BASED ON THE DENSITY NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH, RICK HELP ME UP. 
          >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOU'RE SAYING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          >> YEAH. 
          >> [LAUGHTER] I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I GUESS I COULD SEE WHERE [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> WE NEED A SECOND BEFORE THEY CAN BE DISCUSSED. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> WE NEED A SECOND. 
          >> WE'VE GOT A SECOND. 
          >> DO YOU MOTION WHAT TIME IS? I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          >> THAT WE DENY 23P-064 UNTIL IT'S AMENDED TO A DENSITY THAT CAN BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. 
          >> PLEASE. 
          >> HELP ME OUT. HELP. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> WHAT DO THE WORD SMITHING PLEASE WITH? 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. 
          YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO QUALIFY IT. 
          >> THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. 
          >> I THINK IF WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> YOU COULD QUALIFY THOUGH. 
          YOU COULD QUALIFY AND GIVE COUNSEL REASONS WHY YOU DENIED THE MOTION. 
          >> I LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          >> BASED ON THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT, AND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, AND THE WILDLIFE CONCERNS, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY 23P-064. 
          >> I SAID WORK. 
          >> YES. 
          >> THANK YOU. 
          >> WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY. 
          >> 23P-064. 
          >> 23P-064. 
          >> I'LL JUST CLARIFY, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. 
          >> A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY. 
          >> BECAUSE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL TO THE COUNCIL. 
          >> WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL TO COUNSEL BASED UPON, HOW DO YOU HAVE A MOTION THAT'S A BASED UPON? 
          >> I GIVE UP. 
          >> SURE. ALL YOUR MOTIONS SHOULD BE BASED UPON. 
          >> IT'S BASED UPON DENSITY, TRAFFIC, WILDLIFE, [OVERLAPPING] AND DRAINAGE. 
          LET'S TAKE A VOTE. THIS IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. 
          A YES VOTE MEANS YOU'RE VOTING TO RECOMMEND TO DENY IT. 
          >> WE UNDERSTOOD. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE LIKE THREE HOURS AGO. 
          >> WE STILL GOT AGENDA ITEMS. 
          >> WE GOT IT. LET'S TAKE A VOTE. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL, THOSE IN FAVOR? THOSE OPPOSED? THE MOTION PASSES FIVE TO ONE. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED? 
          >> YES. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT? 
          >> RECOMMENDATION BY THE COUNCIL IS THE FINAL ONE. 
          >> THAT IS TRUE. 
          >> YES. LET ME NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION REGARDING PAD REQUESTS IN THAT CASE WILL BE HEARD ON OCTOBER 26TH. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR COMING OUT AND PARTICIPATING. 
          THAT'S A BIG DEAL. 
          I KNOW THAT IT'S LATE AND I KNOW THIS MATTERS TO YOU. 
          WE DON'T KNOW UNLESS WE HEAR THIS STUFF. 
          TO THE DEVELOPER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT. 
          I KNOW BRINGING ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN IS A BIG DEAL FOR YOU GUYS. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          >> GOOD LUCK. 
          >> WE DID SAY WE WANTED TO DEFER THIS. [OVERLAPPING] 
          >> WE'RE GOING TO DEFER. 
          >> WE ARE DEFERRING. 
          WE'VE ALREADY MADE THE MOTION TO DEFER THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS AND WE'RE GOING TO DEFER THE DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER BUSINESS AND WE DEFER THE ELECTION, WE'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING. 
          [03:45:01]
          >> OH MY GOD. HOW MANY TREES WOULD THIS FILL?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.