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I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

TODAY IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, AND THE TIME IS 4:19.

I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR OUR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

UM, OUR FIRST CASE WILL BE JOINING US VIA CELL PHONE INTO THE MICROPHONE AND BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY.

IF NOT IF HE IS NOT COMFORTABLE, HE CAN ALWAYS READDRESS IT AT A LATER MEETING.

SO. OKAY. WE'LL START WITH ROLL CALL.

WE ACTUALLY, FOR THE RECORD, SHE DID TRY AND JOIN VIDEO CONFERENCE AND WASN'T ABLE TO DUE TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES WE'RE SEEING TODAY? NO. OKAY.

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT REVIEW THE MINUTES? I DIDN'T FIND ANY ERRORS MYSELF, BUT.

NO. OKAY.

THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.

SO WE'RE MOVING ON. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? CATHERINE. NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED.

GREAT. OKAY.

I ALWAYS LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS ONE CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY STAFF, DOES NOT DO A PRESENTATION ON IT.

YOU'VE REVIEWED IT.

WE'LL MAKE A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL VOTE.

BUT PRIOR TO THAT, DOES ANYBODY WANT IT TAKEN OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA? WELL, NO.

IS THAT A FIRM? NO. YEAH.

OKAY. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR CASE 20 3-037.

1806 AVENUE M AND A HALF.

I'LL MAKE ONE. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.

CASE 20 3-037 PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY. SECOND SHARON SECONDED IT.

THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. OBVIOUSLY.

ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION PASSES.

OKAY. NOW I'M GOING TO CALL RYAN REAL QUICK.

[INAUDIBLE]. HEY, RYAN, YOU ARE NOW ON SPEAKER WITH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL CALL ON YOU JUST A SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE FIRST CASE IS 23LC-038 1521 POSTOFFICE OR AVENUE E.

THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO DO AN ADDITION ONTO THE GARAGE.

ALL RIGHTY. SO AS STATED, THERE WERE FIVE PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, ONE RETURN.

THAT ONE WAS IN FAVOR.

SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND STOREY ADDITION TO AN EXISTING ALLEY GARAGE AND EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT SLIGHTLY.

PLEASE SEE ATTACHMENT A FOR THE APPLICANT'S NARRATIVE ELEVATION DRAWINGS AND INFORMATION ON THE PROPOSED MATERIALS.

PLEASE NOTE ALSO THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE STAFF REPORT THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE.

STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

THE EXISTING GARAGE, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO HAVE THE ADDITION, IS NOW OF HISTORIC AGE WITH THE ADDITION OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WILL CONTINUE TO BE SUBORDINATE TO THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND NOT EASILY VISIBLE FROM POST OFFICE.

PROPOSED MATERIALS ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS PERMITTED FOR NON HISTORIC ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND THE PROPOSED GARAGE AND WALKOUT DOORS ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE AND WITHOUT ORNAMENTATION.

STAFF DOES HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE PROPOSED WINDOWS.

THEY SHOW A44 CONFIGURATION.

TYPICALLY ONE OVER ONE IS RECOMMENDED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE BEING THE WINDOW SHALL BE OF A ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION INSTEAD PLUS STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX.

WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS.

SO HERE WE HAVE THE SURVEY ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE SITE PLAN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SHOWING THE EXISTING GARAGE AND KIND OF HOW IT'S BEING EXPANDED OTHERWISE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE WE HAVE THE RENDERS OF THE EXISTING GARAGE, ONE STORY, AND THEN THE SECOND STORY, ADDITION AND EXPANSION.

ACCORDING ANY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST.

AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

RYAN, ARE YOU WITH US ON CELL? I AM. OKAY. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR CASE, PLEASE?

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YES. THIS IS RYAN MURRAY, OWNER OF 1521 POST OFFICE.

YEAH. THIS THIS PROJECT IS REALLY MEANT TO, FOR ONE, PREVENT A LITTLE BIT OF OF EXTENDED CONSTRUCTION.

SO THE GARAGE, AS IT STANDS NOW IS A LITTLE BIT TOO SMALL TO FIT IN ANY OF OUR TWO VEHICLES FOR MY FAMILY.

AND THE REASON FOR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON THIS THIS ADDITION IS MY PARENTS AND MY IN-LAWS ARE GETTING CLOSER TO RETIREMENT AGE AND ARE WANTING TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH THEIR KIDS.

AND AS YOU GUYS KNOW, SPENDING EXTENDED AMOUNTS OF TIME WITH YOUR IN-LAWS AND YOUR PARENTS CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DISRUPTIVE TO YOUR NORMAL LIFE.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM HOUSE IN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR HOME WHEN WE VISIT, WE WANT TO PUT ANOTHER ANOTHER PLACE WHERE THEY COULD STAY.

SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY USE FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO I DID READ THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE ONE ON ONE CONFIGURATION.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS, SO THANK YOU FOR THE CONSIDERATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. RYAN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RYAN? SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK IF ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE.

SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

OH, MY GOD. SARAH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.

CASE 23LC-038.

WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE WINDOWS ARE SWAPPED TO ONE OVER ONE PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

I HAVE A SECOND SHARON.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THE VOTE IS UNANIMOUS.

IT PASSES. THANK YOU, RYAN.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR GARAGE.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE. OKAY, MOVING ON TO LET ME GRAB MY GLASSES REAL QUICK.

CASE 23, DASH 039 IS A71 TO 17TH STREET REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE.

PUBLIC NOTICES SENT WERE NINE ONE RETURNED.

THAT ONE IN FAVOR? THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A ONE STORY ADDITION ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT INDICATE THE FOLLOWING SCOPE OF WORK AND MATERIALS ARE PROPOSED.

CEMENTITIOUS. FIBERBOARD.

SMOOTH TEXTURE FOR SIDING, SKIRTING SOFFITS AND TRIM WOOD WINDOWS SALVAGED FROM THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE AND COMPOSITION ROOFING.

THE EXISTING HOUSE IS WOOD FRAMED WITH WOOD LAP SIDING AND COMPOSITION ROOF.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE SKIRTING ON THE MAIN HOUSE WITH BOARD AND BATTEN.

THE HOUSE CURRENTLY HAS LAP SIDING AS THE SKIRTING MATERIAL.

PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

AND CONFORMANCE STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS.

THE MODIFICATIONS ARE IN LOCATION.

SEE LESS VISIBLE SECONDARY WALL AT THIS LOCATION.

PRESERVATION IS STILL PREFERRED, BUT ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY EXISTS FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATION.

THE ADDITION IS CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE BY SETTING IT BACK FROM THE FRONT PLANE OF THE HOUSE AND IN THE MATERIALS PROPOSED.

THE ADDITION IS SIMPLE IN DETAIL AND DOES NOT MIMIC THE DESIGN ELEMENTS FOUND ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE.

THE PLANS SHOW NO SKIRTING ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE ADDITION SINCE THIS ELEVATION IS VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

STAFF RECOMMENDS INSTALLATION OF SKIRTING.

STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE SKIRTING ON THE MAIN HOUSE.

WHILE BOARD AND BATTEN IS IDENTIFIED IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL, NO EVIDENCE HAS BEEN SUBMITTED THAT THIS HOUSE HAD BOARD AND BATTEN SKIRTING.

THE MATERIALS SHOULD ONLY BE CHANGED IF THERE IS HISTORIC DOCUMENTATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE THE APPLICANT SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN, MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS.

A SKIRTING SHALL BE INSTALLED ON THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE ADDITION AND B THE SKIRTING MATERIAL ON THE MAIN HOUSE SHALL REMAIN SIDING TO ANY HISTORIC MATERIAL REMOVED, SHALL BE RETAINED ON SITE OR PROVIDED TO A THIRD PARTY FOR REUSE.

ITEMS THREE THROUGH SEVEN ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES.

THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION SHOWING THE PROPOSED ADDITION.

AND THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

AND ANOTHER SHOT OF THE FRONT ELEVATION AND ALSO THE NORTH.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST.

AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY.

I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MRS. BARNETT IS HERE.

SHE'S NOT. ARE YOU JUST TO YOU, ARE YOU THE CONTRACTOR? OKAY. COULD YOU COME IN AND SIGN IN, STATE YOUR NAME, AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT?

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SO MY NAME IS DUANE CROW AND I OWN CROW CONSTRUCTION.

ACTUALLY, LUANNE BARNETT IS MY BUSINESS PARTNER.

SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR HOMES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT, GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE FAMILY.

I THINK THE ONLY QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WAS ON THE NORTH ELEVATION.

WE'RE ACTUALLY SELLING THE PROPERTY, WE'RE SPLITTING IT IN TWO.

AND A BUILDER HAS ALREADY SAID THAT HE WANTS TO BUILD A HOME ON THAT SIDE.

SO WOULD THAT CHANGE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE THAT IN? I THINK. SINCE THERE'S GOING TO BE A BUILDING IN FRONT OF IT NOW, JUST.

IT'S NOT MY PLACE, IT'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

BUT THERE IS A MINIMUM LINE.

DOES WHEN YOU SPLIT THAT, DOES THAT MEET THAT MINIMUM LOT? OH, YEAH. OKAY. NO, I THINK IT'S TOTALLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE HOMEOWNER WHETHER THEY WANT THAT OPEN OR NOT.

OKAY. YEAH. OKAY.

THEIR CALL SOUNDS GOOD.

AND WE'RE NOT DOING THE BOARD AND BATTEN ON THE SIDES.

I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE HAD THAT IN THERE.

YOU MEAN ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE? YEAH. YEAH.

I THINK FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE US AND ANYBODY THAT WATCHES THIS PUBLICLY IS SEEING THAT PICTURE.

YEAH. SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE BUILDER? NO. OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN.

THERE IS NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, JUST ME.

SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENTS HERE AND NO PUBLIC COMMENTS, RIGHT? CATHERINE. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND ASK FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION ON CASE.

23LC-039.

HERE WE GO. SHARON IN CASE 23LC-039.

I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

SECOND. OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION? JANE SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY.

SHALL WE HAVE A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? COULD I JUST ASK FOR. I'M SORRY FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.

SO THE WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS THAT THIS NORTH ELEVATION HAVE HAVE SKIRTING AND THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT BE OMITTED AND THAT THEY NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SKIRTING HERE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THERE WILL BE A HOUSE THAT WILL BE BUILT NEXT DOOR.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT.

I'M LOOKING AT THAT DRAWING AND ASSUME THAT STAFF SAW THE SAME DRAWING AND THAT IT REMAINED OPEN FOR STAFF AND IT WAS OKAY WITH STAFF.

SO IF THEY WANTED TO CLOSE IT IN, THAT WOULD BE AT THE BEHEST OF THE HOMEOWNER, NO.

SO YEAH, WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE A SKIRTING SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE ADDITION.

SO IF THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN ALLOWING FOR THIS CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR, YOU WOULD JUST STRIKE ONE A.

OKAY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT LOOKS ON THE FRONT OF IT THAT YOU HAVE SOME BARN DOORS.

YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS WHAT THE FINAL PLAN WAS ON THAT, BUT SHARON, COULD YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU HAVE A SEAT.

OKAY. YOU WANT TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION, PLEASE? AND THE MOTION IS THAT WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS SAYING TO ENCLOSE THAT NORTH SIDE WITH BOARD AND BATTEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE STAYS THE SAME.

SO IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED TO ALLOW THIS TO REMAIN OPEN, YOU WOULD STRIKE CONDITION ONE A.

OKAY. WELL, LET'S START WITH THE MOTION, SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ENTERTAIN THAT IN THE SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CLOSE THE SIDE WITH BOARD AND BATTEN.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED.

WE LEAVE IT OPEN.

SOMEONE ELSE THINKS IT'S OKAY.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT INTRODUCE IN A SECOND.

IF NOT, THEN WE'LL JUST SECOND THE MOTION OF SHARON.

SO WITH THAT IN CONSIDERATION, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE WE ARE.

SO I THINK THE EASIEST WAY IS TO JUST HAVE WHOEVER MADE THAT MOTION JUST WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND JUST START AFRESH. WELL, I THINK SHE IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MOTION THAT WE GO WITH BOARD BATTEN.

YES. WE'RE SAYING THERE'S AN OPTION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO CHANGE THAT TO A SECOND AND THE COMMISSION CAN DISCUSS IT THEN.

BUT IT HASN'T BEEN PROPOSED TO US AS A MOTION YET, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IF IT HASN'T BEEN PROPOSED AS A MOTION.

RIGHT? THE MOTION WAS TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, TO ENCLOSE IT, TO ENCLOSE IT AND CLOSE IT.

RIGHT. APPLICANT AND IN ORDER TO COMPLY OR TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CREATE WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CREATE IN THE FUTURE,

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HE'S SAYING WE DON'T NEED THE ONE A OPTION.

CORRECT. AND SO IS THAT THE MOTION? NO, THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE CLOSE IT WITH BOARD AND BATTEN.

OKAY. AND THEN.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS.

ANOTHER COMMISSIONER MAY SAY WE WILL CONSIDER HIS REQUEST AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

BUT WITHOUT THAT, WE CAN'T HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING IN THE PICTURE.

NO, IT'S NOT. BUT WE'RE SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE AS A MATTER OF FORMALITY BECAUSE WE CAN'T INFLUENCE THE.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS TO ENCLOSE THE NORTH SIDE WITH BOARD AND BATTEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE STAYS WITH THE WOOD SIDING ALL THE WAY DOWN. THAT'S OUR MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY.

AND WHAT IS YOUR SECOND TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION? NO CHANGES TO THE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

WHERE IT'S THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

YES. THAT REMAINS CLOSED IN PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

CORRECT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A DISCUSSION NOW? WE HAVE A MOTION TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ENCLOSE IT.

THEY HAVE REQUESTED THAT THEY'D LIKE TO LEAVE IT OPEN.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON, WHETHER WE DO OR WE DON'T.

IS THERE A DISCUSSION WITH THIS? SO IF WE TURN THE CLOSE IT AND THE REASON WHY WE WANT TO CLOSE IT BECAUSE GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.

NOW THEY'RE BUILDING A HOUSE OVER THERE.

WHEN THAT NEGATES THE REASON FOR CLOSING IT.

NO, THIS IS NOT IN THE STYLE OF A HISTORIC EAST END HOME.

THIS IS MORE OF A BEACH STYLE, LEAVING IT OPEN.

AND I DISAGREE WITH IT STRONGLY.

I'M GOING TO BE OPEN FROM THE BACK.

WELL, THAT WON'T BE VISIBLE AT ALL.

ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING.

THE RAISED HOUSE ON PIERS LOOKS LIKE BOLIVAR PENINSULA WITH HAMMOCKS AND BARBECUE PITS ON IT.

YEAH, RIGHT. OKAY.

IT'S NOT IN EAST END.

YEAH, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT.

THERE'S A LOT OF RAISED HOMES IN THE EAST END.

AND ALTHOUGH YOU CAN'T BUILD A OUT, YOU CAN USE THEM FOR STORAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY MAY END UP PUTTING BARN DOORS ON TWO SIDES.

I HAVE A FEELING THAT WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING THAT CLOSE TO IT, THEY MAY NOT WANT IT OPEN ANYWAY.

BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

THE DESIGN GUIDELINES TELL US THAT WHEN A HOUSE IS RAISED, IT HAS TO HAVE BOARD AND BATTEN ENCLOSURE.

IF IT'S A NEW ADDITION TO THE HOUSE OR NEWLY RAISED THING.

ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY. MOVING ON TO OUR LAST CASE.

23LC-040 1628 AVENUE L.

THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING SOLAR PANELS.

SO ONCE AGAIN, AS STATED, THAT IS THE ADDRESS AND THAT THE SCOPE OF WORK BEING REQUESTED.

THERE WERE SIX PUBLIC NOTICES SENT AND IF THOSE WERE RETURNED.

SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING INSTALLATION OF A 29 SOLAR PANELS ON THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST PORTIONS OF THE UPPER ROOF AND THE NORTH AND SOUTH PORTIONS OF THE LOWER ROOF. DETAILED DRAWINGS ARE PROVIDED AS EXHIBIT A IN THE STAFF REPORT.

NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAY BE APPLICABLE TO THIS REQUEST, INCLUDING PROPOSED PREFERRED LOCATIONS AND ACCEPTABLE LOCATIONS.

SO WHEN CONFORMANCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS, THE STRUCTURE IS THE MAIN STRUCTURE IS TWO STORIES TALL, RELATIVELY LOW PITCHED HIP ROOFS, BUT IT INCLUDES A ONE STORY ADDITION WHICH MUST WITH A MUCH STEEPER GABLE ROOF.

THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL PROPOSED SOLAR PANELS ON ALL SIDES OF THE UPPER ROOF AND BOTH SIDES OF THE LOWER ROOF.

STAFF HAS CONCERNS WITH THE PLACEMENT OF SOME OF THE SOLAR PANELS.

THE STRUCTURE IS LOCATED ON A CORNER LOT.

THE MAJORITY OF THE LOWER ROOF IS PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY VISIBLE FROM THE 17TH STREET OR AVENUE IN RIGHT OF WAYS.

THE UPPER ROOF IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS VISIBLE DUE TO THE LOW PITCH OF THE ROOF AND THE HEIGHT ABOVE EYE LEVEL.

HOWEVER, EVEN THEN, THE SOLAR PANELS SHALL BE SET BACK FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND SHOULD BE MATTE BLACK IN COLOR, WHICH ARE PRETTY STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR SOLAR PANELS IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.

ONE OF THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH PORTION OF THE LOWER EDITION ROOF SHALL BE LOCATED TO A LESS VISIBLE LOCATION IF POSSIBLE, OR OMITTED IF LOCATION RELOCATION IS NOT POSSIBLE.

THESE ARE THE TWO HIGHLY VISIBLE LOWER FACES.

THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE UPPER ROOF SHALL BE LOCATED AS FAR FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROOF AS POSSIBLE, AND THE SOLAR PANELS SHALL HAVE A MATTE BLACK FINISH.

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PLUS STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX.

AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS.

SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF THE MAIN TWO STORY MASS OF THE MAIN HOUSE AND THEN THE LITTLE ADDITION OFF TO THE SIDE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL SHOWING THE PROPOSED ORIENTATION OF THE SOLAR PANELS.

AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT PORTION KIND OF TO THE UPPER LEFT OF THAT DRAWING WOULD BE THE LOWER ROOF THAT'S MORE VISIBLE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE WE HAVE A PHOTO LOOKING GENERALLY NORTHEAST, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOOKING GENERALLY NORTHWEST AT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THEN LOOKING SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HERE ARE THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.

AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY.

SO AT THIS TIME, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS LEFT AND THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK.

OH, I THINK THEY WERE THE APPLICANTS ON THE FIRST CASE.

YEAH. OH, OKAY.

I THINK THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS? COULD I ASK A QUESTION? SURE. UM, IN LOOKING AT THE PLACEMENT PROPOSAL, IT SHOWS TWO PANELS ON THE VERY FRONT FACING AVENUE L, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE PITCH IS LOW, BUT ISN'T IT UNUSUAL FOR US TO ALLOW THEM TO ACTUALLY BE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOME? IT IS UNUSUAL, BUT YEAH, GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT I MEAN, STAFF WENT OUT THERE AND WE LOOKED AT ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES TO SEE WHAT WE COULD SEE.

AND YOU HAVE TO GET SIGNIFICANTLY BACK FROM THE STREET TO SEE MUCH OF ANYTHING.

BUT OF COURSE YOU KNOW THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS FREE TO MAKE WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE.

AND MY QUESTION IS FOR CLARIFICATION IS THAT IN THIS LOWER ROOF, THERE'S THE ROOF, THE HIPPED ROOF ITSELF AND THE ROOF OVER THE PORCH. SO NONE OF THAT IS INCLUDED.

RIGHT. ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN IN STAFF'S REPORT TO MOVE IT OVER HERE SO IT WON'T BE VISIBLE FROM THOSE LOWER ROOFS.

YEAH, RIGHT HERE.

I THINK ALL THE EVERYTHING ON THE LOWER ROOF WOULD BE VISIBLE.

YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I'M JUST CLARIFYING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALL RIGHT. SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

RIGHT? STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT ESPECIALLY THESE PANELS BE RELOCATED OR OMITTED.

OKAY. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BECAUSE, AGAIN, OUR SCOPE, OUR PURVIEW ESSENTIALLY, IS IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE ON THE CURB, WHAT CAN YOU SEE? DOESN'T INCLUDE WHAT I CAN SEE FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE UPSTAIRS JUST MEANS WHAT I CAN SEE.

AND FAIRNESS OF PRESERVATION.

WHAT CAN WE SEE WHEN WE'RE STANDING ON THE CURB? AND I THINK DANIEL'S PRETTY MUCH CLARIFIED THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT ON THOSE TWO FRONT.

BUT YOU MIGHT SEE IT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE BLACK MATTE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE IT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO JUMP OUT AT YOU.

IT'S MY FEELING OF WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDED.

OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I'M NOT GOING TO OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND ASK FOR A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE ONE. OH, SORRY.

OH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.

CASE 23LC-040 WITH THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE LOWER EDITION ROOF ARE RELOCATED TO A LESS VISIBLE LOCATION OR OMITTED. THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE UPPER ROOF ARE LOCATED AS FAR FROM THE EDGE AS POSSIBLE, AND THE SOLAR PANELS ARE MATTE BLACK.

WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND.

I'D LIKE TO SECOND. OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES.

ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. UPDATE TO VIDEO CONFERENCE ATTENDANCE PROCEDURES.

THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE TO THE ATTENDANCE PROCEDURES AND IT'S GOTTEN MORE FLEXIBLE.

SO YOU WILL SEE THAT ON THE TOP OF YOUR AGENDA.

THERE WAS JUST SOME BOILERPLATE LANGUAGE ABOUT MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MAY BE ATTENDING VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU PROVIDE US ADVANCE NOTICE IS GONE AND ALSO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISPLAY THE ADDRESS FROM WHICH YOU'RE PARTICIPATING ON THE AGENDA.

SO IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE.

SO DOES IT NEED TO BE IN A PUBLIC PLACE ANYMORE OR DOES THAT STILL HOLD? NO, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO PROVIDE US YOUR ADDRESS AND WE DON'T NEED ADVANCE NOTICE.

I MEAN, WE'LL NEED TO KNOW IN ENOUGH TIME TO SEND YOU THE LINK, BUT WE DON'T NEED SEVEN DAYS NOTICE ANY LONGER.

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OKAY, SO IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE.

BUT THE REQUIREMENT THAT A QUORUM, A PHYSICAL QUORUM HAS TO BE IN THE ROOM REMAINS.

OKAY. AND THEN ALSO, THE PERSON WHO RUNS THE MEETING SHOULD BE IN THE ROOM.

YEAH. SO IN APPRECIATION TO ME, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT, I'D APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW THAT I'VE GOT FOUR ON THIS DAIS PRESENT.

YEAH. SO IF YOU FIND THAT YOU NEED TO PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM, YOU JUST LET KARINA KNOW OR MYSELF KNOW, AND WE'LL GET YOU THE LINK.

PLEASE. WHAT IS THE IMPETUS FOR THIS CHANGE? HOW IS THIS? WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THE CHANGE? I COULD NOT TELL YOU.

I LEARNED FROM JANELLE THAT THINGS HAD GOTTEN MORE FLEXIBLE, AND SO THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS POSTED ON CITY COUNCIL'S AGENDA.

RIGHT. AND ACTUALLY, IT'S BEEN IN EFFECT, SO TO SPEAK, FOR A COUPLE A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.

OLD LEGISLATION, SO TO SPEAK.

WE JUST FOUND IT.

THIS IS A FIRST A SEPTEMBER 1ST CHANGE OR SOMETHING.

OH, NO. IT'S ALREADY BEEN IN EFFECT.

OKAY. WELL, LET ME JUST POSE THIS AS A FOR A POINT OF DISCUSSION, SOCIAL DISCUSSION.

WE'RE PROBABLY GOING AT SOME POINT TO TALK ABOUT.

ALLOWING ZOOM ATTENDANCE TO COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE NOT HEAVILY ATTENDED IN PERSON.

AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE PRESENT, IT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.

BUT. SO A QUESTION FOR YOU, DONNA, PROBABLY.

IS IT SO THAT EVERY ANY COMMITTEE MEETING MUST HAVE A QUORUM OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT AT THE CALLED LOCATION? CAN CAN A QUORUM BE ESTABLISHED WITH ZOOM MEMBERS? NO. A QUORUM HAS TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT, AND THAT'S STATE LAW.

SO IT'S NOT CITY O CITY.

THE CITY CITY CANNOT FORGIVE THAT, CANNOT MODIFY THAT FOR ANY COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION THAT'S OPEN MEETINGS ACT BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS.

IT DOES, AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

I CAN NAME A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE THAT HAPPENS.

AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THOSE ARE FOR CERTAIN MEETINGS, NOT EVEN MEETINGS.

COMMISSIONS REALLY HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT.

RIGHT? THOSE WITH LEGAL PURVIEW OR MAYBE A YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, CITY COUNCIL DID AMEND THE REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN MEETINGS FOR ALL THE MEMBERS TO BE IN PERSON.

AND THOSE BODIES WERE LISTED.

AND I DON'T RECALL, YOU KNOW, BUT I CAN GET THAT TO YOU.

WELL, THE ONE DID MAKE THAT CHANGE.

I THINK THE ONES WE CONTINUE TO REQUIRE IT FOR ARE OUR COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES WITH SOME LEGAL PURVIEW, LANDMARK PLANNING, ZBA, THAT KIND OF THING. THAT'S SO WHAT CATHERINE SAYS ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE IN THE ROOM IS TRUE FOR THIS COMMITTEE, BUT NOT EVERY COMMITTEE.

NOT EVERY COMMITTEE HAS THAT.

WE'RE STILL WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT BECAUSE, AS I SAY, THERE ARE SOME WHERE IT'S ALL ON ZOOM AND THEN IT BECOMES IT'S PROBLEMATIC.

I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE IT TOOK US 20 MINUTES TO GET THIS ONE UP AND RUNNING.

AND THAT'S THAT JUST THAT HAPPENS ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I KNOW WE MADE THE CHANGE, BUT LET ME DOUBLE CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ONLY FOR THOSE CERTAIN BODIES.

BUT IT IS TRUE FOR THIS.

IT'S TRUE FOR THIS COMMITTEE.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.

YEAH. WE HAVE THE QUORUM IN THE ROOM, BUT I WILL DOUBLE CHECK SOME OF THOSE OTHER BODIES.

OKAY. BUT I QUESTION.

I'M JUST ASKING THIS QUESTION.

DO PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW ZOOM ATTENDANCE IN THESE MEETINGS BY ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION? I MY PERSONAL FEELING ON THAT, DAVID, IS I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IF SOMEONE WERE TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT, OH, I'LL JUST ZOOM ALL THE TIME.

I THINK IT'S GREAT IF YOU'RE NOT FEELING WELL.

IF YOU'RE SICK, WE'LL GO BACK INTO COVID AGAIN.

YOU'VE GOT A CERTAIN REASON, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE UNDERSTOOD AMONGST COMMISSIONERS THAT YOUR PRESENCE IS WHAT'S PREFERRED, THAT THIS SHOULDN'T BE A REGULAR THING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL BE NOTED.

OKAY. WELL, I'LL HAVE TO CHIME IN, THOUGH.

I MEAN, WHEN I ACCEPTED THE POSITION, IT WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I COULD DIAL IN.

WE SPENT SUMMERS MANY MONTHS UP NORTH.

AND, YOU KNOW, SO I DO MAKE AN EFFORT TO SITUATION WELL, I'M JUST OVER THERE ON 16TH AND YEAH, NO, NO IF I'M IN TEXAS BUT, BUT WE DON'T TAKE A BATH TODAY.

I'M NOT COMING IN. WE DON'T IN TEXAS.

I'LL BE HERE. WE DON'T WE DON'T ASK IN ANY WAY THAT I KNOW.

IF YOU WANT TO ZOOM, YOU GET TO ZOOM.

I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES.

NONE OF THOSE, LIKE I SAY, LEGAL PURVIEW, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMITTEES WITH COMMISSION MEMBERS, COMMITTEE MEMBERS I HAVE NOT SEEN IN A COUPLE OF

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YEARS. THEY ALWAYS ZOOM AND IT'S LIKE YOU'RE MUTED.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. I JUST DON'T SEE THEM IN PERSON.

BUT YOU SEE THEM ON. OH, I SEE THEM ON THE SCREEN.

BUT THEY DO NOT ATTEND.

AND I JUST AND THE ANSWER SOMETIMES IS NOT SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HAVING US AT THE TABLE TALKING THESE THINGS THROUGH.

I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THAT IT'S A SUPERIOR CONVERSATION WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYBODY IS SUPERIOR.

IT'S A PERFECT TERM FOR IT BECAUSE WE SOMETIMES HAVE VIGOROUS DEBATES TO GET TO THE RIGHT CONCLUSION, I FEEL LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW OTHER PEOPLE SEE US, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES.

THE REQUESTS FOR THINGS THAT THEY WANT, THAT'S A SERIOUS MATTER, AND I THINK IT REQUIRES US TO GIVE THEM THE ATTENTION AND THE TIME THAT THEY DESERVE THAT I WOULD WANT FOR MYSELF.

IT'S ONE THING IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE GONE FOR THE SUMMER.

YOU'VE GOT A DOCTOR'S. WELL, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO COME IN ONE DAY AND REALIZE I DON'T HAVE FOUR ON THE DICE AND I'M IN TROUBLE.

WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO SERVE THE COMMISSION, AND WE SHOULD BE HERE TO SERVE THE COMMISSION.

I MEAN, I HAVE A HUSBAND THAT JUST IS SICK AND CAN'T REALLY BE BY HIMSELF, BUT I LEFT HIM FOR AN HOUR.

SO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO JUST GET A FEEL FOR THE COMMITTEE, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS POLICY.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? NO. OKAY.

THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

JUST AS A REMINDER, I THINK, DAVID, ISN'T IT NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE ELECTIONS? OCTOBER 1ST? YES. SECOND, WHAT IS THE DATE? TYPICALLY WE DO A SECOND CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.

THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER.

AND THAT WILL BE CONNIE'S IS THE SECOND.

YES. OCTOBER 2ND.

OCTOBER 2ND. NO, NO.

THIS COMMITTEE IS STABLE TO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND NO ONE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.