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>> THAT MAY BE WATCHING THIS TELECAST,
[1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER]
GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US, THIS MORNING.WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE, BUT LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE JANELLE.
>> HE'S MUTED, BUT I DON'T THINK HE CAN HEAR US.
>> HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR US.
>> WELL HE'S HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER.
>> VERY GOOD. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE, COUNCILMAN FINKLEA IS JOINING [NOISE] US VIRTUALLY.
>> I THINK WE LOST HIM. HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN BACK IN.
>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE, COUNCIL, TO DISCUSSION ITEMS THIS MORNING.
I WANT TO CHANGE THE AGENDA JUST A LITTLE HERE FOR COUNCIL'S KNOWLEDGE HERE.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE HERE IN JUST A SECOND TO ITEM 3A, CLARIFICATION OF AGENDA ITEMS. THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE ITEM 3J AND 3K, WHICH IS THE PARK BOARD REPORT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER, AND THE PORT REPORT FROM MYSELF.
WE'LL FOLLOW THE CLARIFICATION, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO ITEM 3B WITH THE AUDIT PLAN ON THAT.
[Items 3A & 3I]
IF YOU WILL READ ITEM 3A, PLEASE, MA'AM.>> ITEM 3A, [NOISE] CLARIFICATION OF CONSENT AND REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT ON REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS.
>> VERY GOOD. I'M GOING TO ALSO, COUNCIL, HAVE TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING ON THIS CLARIFICATION SITUATION.
IF ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO DISCUSS ITEM 12A DURING THIS TIME OF CLARIFICATION THAT WOULD BE FINE, OF COURSE.
IF WE DO THAT, JANELLE, IF WE GO INTO 12A, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU READ 3I.
THIS IS A TOPIC THAT COUNCILWOMAN ROBB HAS PUT ON THE AGENDA ABOUT THE FLOCK CAMERAS ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA.
BUT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO READ 3I IF WE DO WANT [NOISE] TO DISCUSS 12A, AND WE'LL DISCUSS 12A AND 3I TOGETHER, THEY GO TOGETHER THERE.
LET'S START WITH OUR CLARIFICATION ITEMS TODAY.
JOHN PAUL, ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE ANSWERED?
>> I DO. BUT COULD YOU COME BACK TO ME?
>> YES, SIR. [NOISE] I SURELY WILL.
>> THANKS. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND]
>> ALWAYS PREPARED MAYOR PRO TEM.
>> MAYOR, THANK YOU. I JUST WAIT TO SEE WHAT JOHN'S GOT.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT 11B, WHICH IS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT WITH THE DMPA.
>> CAN YOU TELL US YOURSELF WHAT THE GIST OF IT IS?
>> YEAH, BASICALLY, WITH POLICE THIS YEAR WE'VE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON WAGES.
BEVERLY IS HERE TO BACK AS UP ON THAT.
THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WENT ON, SOME MINOR THINGS WITH UNIFORMS AND SUCH LIKE THAT, BUT UNIFORM ALLOWANCE.
BUT WHAT WE'VE BASICALLY DONE IS WE'VE TIED THEM TO THE OTHER LARGE POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN GALVESTON COUNTY.
>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'VE HEARD LEAGUE CITY MENTIONED, BUT I DIDN'T [OVERLAPPING]
>> LEAGUE CITY AND TEXAS CITY, THOSE ARE THE OTHER TWO MAJOR DEPARTMENTS OF CITIES ARE [NOISE] BY VIRTUE OF EVERYTHING ELSE, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ANSWERS MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAN ANY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT IN GALVESTON COUNTY.
BY STAFFING, WE'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN GALVESTON COUNTY, WE'RE TWICE THE SIZE OF TEXAS CITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE SAME SLEEPING POPULATION THAT WE HAVE.
>> YEAH. WE FELT THOSE WERE GOOD COMPARATIVE.
OUR GOAL HERE WAS TO MAKE US COMPETITIVE WITHIN GALVESTON COUNTY, WHICH WE ARE.
WE'RE RIGHT AT THE TOP NOW WITH THESE OTHER TWO DEPARTMENTS, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUES EVER COMPARING US TO THOSE AGAIN.
WHAT'S THE OVERALL AVERAGE, BEVERLY, DO WE KNOW, WHAT AVERAGE IS?
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>> THAT'S THE LAST YEAR NUMBERS, I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE IT.
ON THE OVERALL AVERAGE, IT'S ABOUT 7, [NOISE] 3, 3-7.
WE ADDED A COUPLE OF STEPS SO THAT WE COULD DO A COMPARISON WITH THE OTHER CITIES.
WE ADDED A STEP FOR LIEUTENANTS AND SERGEANTS AND A COUPLE OF STEPS FOR SENIOR POLICE OFFICERS.
BUT OVERALL, THE INCREASES GO AS HIGH AS 11.4 FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS.
>> KEEP IN MIND, WE DON'T DO ACROSS-THE-BOARD WITH POLICE, BECAUSE IT VARIES BY RANK AND WE HAVE TO KEEP SEPARATION AND STOP COMPRESSION AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] I ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE CHEAT SHEET IF Y'ALL WANTED IT.
>> BUT GOOD CONTRACT WENT VERY FAST WITH THEM.
BIG CREDIT TO TONY ROGERS WHO'S HEADING UP THE GMPA RIGHT NOW.
[NOISE] ACTUALLY, WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND THEN HE AND I WENT TO HAVE COFFEE AND JUST DID IT, SO WORKED OUT REALLY WELL.
GEO WAS CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS ON IT AND HE DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT, BUT BIG CREDIT TO THEM.
I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON IT.
THERE WAS LITERALLY NO HEARTACHE OVER THIS WHEN IT WENT RIGHT THROUGH.
I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC REALIZES THE HOURS THAT GO INTO THIS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING.
I WON'T ENUMERATE WHO THOSE ARE, BECAUSE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THEM INVOLVED WITH THAT, BUT I WANT TO THANK STAFF AND THE POLICE UNION AND ALL THOSE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CHIEF OF POLICE ALSO.
>> I WILL SAY ON OUR TEAM IT WAS BEVERLY AND ROBBIE, TREVOR AND ZOCHI, AND THEN LOWELL DENTON FROM DENTON, NAVARRO REPRESENTATIVES.
ALTHOUGH LIKE LOWELL SAID, I MADE IT REALLY EASY ON HIM, I THINK HE CAME TO MEETINGS.
[LAUGHTER] OTHER THAN THEM HAVING TO PUT ALL THE LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT AND EVERYTHING FOR US, WHICH HE DID WHEN WE FINISHED, SO IT WENT VERY WELL.
BUT THANKS TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED. IT'S A GOOD CONTRACT.
I THINK THAT THE BEST NEWS IS IT KEEPS US SUPER COMPETITIVE.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE GALVESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN SAY THAT THEY'RE DISPARATELY PAID ANYMORE.
THE GOOD NEWS WITH IT TOO IS THAT WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO CONTINUE THIS FORWARD, SO WE'LL NEVER FALL BEHIND AGAIN, AND WHEN WE'RE GOOD ON OUR PAY LIKE THIS, IT NOT ONLY BENEFITS THE OFFICERS, AND IT KEEPS US COMPETITIVE, AND WITH RECRUITING AND RETENTION, IT ALSO BENEFITS THE PENSION AS WELL.
>> THESE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR POLICE FORCE DESERVE TO BE PROPERLY COMPENSATED, AND APPRECIATE THAT BRIAN.
>> JOHN, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
>> THREE TO 11? SO THAT GOES INTO FIRST-YEAR AND THEN THAT SAME SYSTEM GETS USED ON YEARS 2 AND 3.
>> NO, YEAR 2, THEY GET AN AUTOMATIC 2%.
YEAR 3, WE RESURVEY, YEAR 4, 2%.
>> HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR OVERALL BUDGET GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS? OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET.
>> WELL, WE CHEATED A LITTLE BIT.
WE START THEM IN JANUARY, I BELIEVE, WITH THEIR RACES THIS YEAR, SO WE BOUGHT AS A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY FOR THIS COMING YEAR.
IN YEAR 2, FOR THEM, THEY'LL GET AN ADDITIONAL 2%.
FOR US WILL GET THE REMAINDER OF THE OTHER 25% OF THIS RAISE PLUS THE 2% THAT WILL BE FUNDING.
IT'LL BE ABOUT AN EQUAL INCREASE NEXT YEAR FOR US AS IT WAS THIS YEAR IN COST.
>> THEN IT'S RE-EVALUATED IN THREE.
>> BUT OUR HOPE IS BY DOING IT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MASSIVE SWING IN YEAR 3 UNLESS SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS IN THE MARKET.
THIS IS THE BIG DIP THIS YEAR.
ONCE WE GET CAUGHT UP, OUR GOAL IS WE'RE HOPING THAT WE STAY WITHIN A COUPLE OF PERCENT SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE GIANT SWINGS WHERE WE HAVE TO FUND IT.
THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO IT'S ELEVATED.
BUT I'M HOPING THAT WE STAY WITHIN THE 2%-4% RANGE AS WE MOVE FORWARD EACH YEAR AFTER THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAY COMPETITIVE IN THAT RANGE AS BEST WE CAN.
AT SOME POINT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE VACANT LAND THAT TECH CITY AND LAKE CITY HAS AND WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF STEAM.
BUT UNTIL WE DO, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAY COMPETITIVE.
>> I MEAN, SO IN DOLLAR FIGURES, WHAT DOES THAT INCREASE THE BUDGET EACH YEAR?
>> THIS BUDGET, IF YOU TOOK IT ALL IN ONE YEARS, BUT A MILLION DOLLARS.
>> ALL IN ONE YEAR, ABOUT MILLION DOLLARS.
>> BUT WE DIDN'T DO THAT. WELL, IT'S ONLY GOING TO COST YOU THIS YEAR ABOUT 800,000 BECAUSE WE SHAVED OFF A COUPLE OF MONTHS OF IT.
[OVERLAPPING] TOTAL IMPACT TO BE A MEAN PLUS 2%.
WHATEVER THAT IS, MAY IN MAY 20-MAY 30, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE CONTRACT WE'RE STARTING IN JANUARY.
>> RIGHT, SO WE DO IT IN JANUARY AGAIN, WE'VE MOVED TO A JANUARY BASIS ON THE CONTRACT.
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IT HAD DROPPED 67%-60% OF OUR BUDGET.NOW THAT WE'VE FINISHED THE NEGOTIATIONS WHERE.
>> IT'S ABOUT 70 PLUS PERCENT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET AND IT'S ABOUT 63% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET.
[OVERLAPPING] THE TOTAL BUDGET, BUT THAT INCLUDES ALL YOUR CAPITAL AND EVERYTHING.
>> I KNOW, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING YOU USE OR TALK TO US ABOUT HOW MUCH OF OUR BUDGET IT TAKES.
MY ONE CONCERN AS OUR POPULATION OF TOURISTS GROW, WE'D BEEN FLAT AT 120 POLICE.
WHATEVER PLACE THEN IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, [OVERLAPPING] 169, BUT IT'S BEEN THE SAME NUMBER AND WE'RE STILL SHORT 11, I THINK.
I THINK IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN INCREASE AND BRING IN MORE POLICE.
AGAIN, PERHAPS IT'S GETTING CREATIVE THROUGH HOT TAX, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE BEACH AND SO FORTH.
>> I MEAN, I RELY ON THE CHIEF TO TELL US IF HE NEEDS MORE OFFICERS, BUT WE'RE ALREADY TWICE OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE SIZE.
>> I KNOW BUT THEY DON'T GET SEVEN MILLION TOURISTS, EIGHT MILLION TOURISTS SALARY.
>> DAVID, ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DO 11D AS OUR THINK OF EVERYTHING.
THERE'S OUR CONTRACT WITH JIM FLETCHER FOR MUNICIPAL COURT.
I'M GOING TO FIND A MISS TRIAL, JUDGE SCHWEITZER.
BUT IF YOU'RE LISTENING JIM, MORE ENFORCEMENT, [LAUGHTER] YOU NEED TO GET TOUGHER WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY THINGS THAT THE MARSHALS, THE POLICE, AND OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORKS HARD ON GETTING INTO MUNICIPAL COURT AND THEN THINGS WE JUST HAVE A REPUTATION THERE FOR DIFFERING THINGS AND PUTTING THINGS OFF AND JUST THINGS GET STRETCHED OUT.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE US BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS COMPLAINING AND STUFF NEVER GETS DONE.
IT'S NOT THE STAFF OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AREN'T DOING IT.
SOMETIMES THINGS JUST DON'T GET OUT OF MUNICIPAL COURT WITH REAL ENFORCEMENT.
I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES AND I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MARSHALS ON THIS ONE.
>> TAKE A LITTLE OFF THE TOPIC THERE.
>> NO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THINGS GET THROWN OUT OF COURT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THE EVENTS, WHICH IS WHY THEY MAY GET THROWN OUT OF COURT.
>> LET ME ASK ON THAT SUBJECT, BRIAN, I'VE NOTICED THAT WE PAYING JUDGED WHITES ARE $250 A DAY ON THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT'S BEEN THE AMOUNT WE'D BEEN PAYING HIM FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS. IS THAT?
>> I THINK HE GOT A LITTLE BUMP UP 3-4 YEARS AGO.
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S UNDER OUR PURVIEW WITH THE SALARY THAT WE MAINTAIN SOME IMPEDITIVE.
>> I HAVE NOT EITHER, I JUST WANTED TO.
>> HASN'T ASKED FOR [LAUGHTER].
>> JIM, IF YOU'RE LISTENING YEAH.
>> DAVID I'M FINALLY,11S CAN MAKE THIS MR. SMITH, THE LONE STAR RALLY AGREEMENT.
CAN YOU JUST TELL US, WHAT THE DEAL IS? MORE FOR THE PUBLIC, THE NEW THING.
>> GOOD MORNING BRIAN AND COUNCIL.
LONE STAR HAS A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT WHICH HAS EXPIRED.
THIS IS THEIR NEW THREE-YEAR WITH THE ADDITION, AND YOUR FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT, SORRY, THIS YEAR, THE CONTRACT REMAINS BASICALLY THE SAME.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE VENUE ON THE SEAWALL MAY BE EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST FROM 25TH-27TH, AND THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES.
SHE HAS OPTED TO DO THAT OR KEEP THE SAME IF SHE WANTS TO.
>> I KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN THINK WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT I KNOW HE'S OFF THERE.
>> HE REQUESTED THAT IN THE 26 YEAR AND THAT WILL BE DONE THOSE LONE STAR AGREED TO DO THAT.
WE WILL SEEK THE PERSONNEL TO DO THAT WELL, A 50% AND THOSE ARE VALUABLE THEY COULDN'T PERCENT AS WELL.
WHEN THAT STUDY IS DONE, WE WILL THEN PUT OUT PUBLIC AND BRAIN TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL.
>> IS THERE ANY DIRECT TRANSFER MONEY TO THE CITY?
>> LONE STAR AROUND, IT WOULD BE BUILD ALL OF THE SERVICES AT HER, SHE PAYS THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS SEPARATELY FROM HERTZ AS FAR AS THE STREETS AND THE TRUNK CONTROL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WILL BUILD HER FOR THAT AND ALSO THE CLEANUP AS WELL SAME STATION.
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IT MIGHT IT COMES TO THE CITY GALVESTON AND THE HOFSTEDE, THE MONEY IS DRAWN INTO THE ECONOMIC STUDY $113 MILLION.BUT WAS THAT ALL THE BUSINESSES DURING YOUR SHOULDER?
>> DAVID, THIS CONTRACT, IS IT A 30 DAY NOTICE TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT ON BOTH PARTIES OR?
MOST OF OUR CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY HAVE A BOILERPLATE THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF IT IF NEED BE.
IN THE PAST LONE STAR RALLY HAS NOT HAD THAT ABILITY, THEY DO NOW.
I BELIEVE THAT 30 DAY NOTICE CITY COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT THEY CANCELED 30 DAYS THAT WE DON'T EXPEND MONEY SUCH.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT ONE HEARING ITEM I WOULD TALK ABOUT TILL TONIGHT SINCE IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
UNLESS PEOPLE THAT LIKED ME TO MENTION ABOUT IT NOW.
>> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS BUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> ITEM MADE AD ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT PLANNING HAD HEARD AS THE DEVELOPER HAD NEVER BEEN PRESENT DURING ANY OF THE PLANNING MEETINGS.
I WAS INVITED BY THE SPANISH GRANT NEIGHBORHOOD TO ATTEND THE MEETING WHERE THE DEVELOPER WAS ATTENDING.
JUST TO REFRESH YOU AND TO KNOW THAT YOU GIVE THAT HANDOUT, YOU HAVE A HANDOUT.
IT'S A SMALL TRIANGLE OF PROPERTY THAT SITS BETWEEN SPANISH GRANT AND HERSHEY BEACH AND WE HAVE THE REQUESTS RIGHT NOW FROM A DEVELOPER TO DO A PUTT ON A PROPERTY FOR MULTIPLE VARIANCES, THOSE VARIANCES ON THE LOT SIZE.
THERE IS A VARIANCE ON THE STREET SIDE.
I THINK THEY WANT TO HAVE THE STREET THAT'S 30 FEET.
THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME MOST ABOUT THIS, AND I HAVE A TON OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS AND I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING HIM WHEN IT GOES TO COUNSEL.
THE ROAD OF WHICH YOU CAN ONLY TURN LEFT WHEN YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THEY HAVEN'T GONE TO TXDOT FOR APPROVAL.
BUT YET THEY'RE ASKING US TO PROVE THIS POD.
THEY HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH COASTAL.
WHAT THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO IN COASTAL AS FAR AS PUTTING A DUNE AND SO FORTH.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN GLO WAS HERE, I ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION.
CAN YOU DEVELOP A BEACH SIDE BEACH FUN? THEY DO HAVE A PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES TOUCH THE BEACH.
DO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS? IN THEIR PLAN, THEIR ACCESS IS TO HAVE A PATH WHERE THEY BASICALLY EITHER WALKED THROUGH SPANISH GRANT OR HERSHEY BEACH TO GET TO THE BEACH.
IN THEIR LITERATURE, DAYS STATED THE REASON THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR THE POD IN THE SMALLER LOTS IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BUILD A MORE AFFORDABLE BEACH.
THEN THE MEETING THAT WE ASK WHAT THEY WERE DEVELOPING WAS 3,000 3,500 SQUARE FEET HOUSES AT 1.6 MILLION, WHICH IS NOT AN AFFORDABLE BEACH HOUSE.
WHEN WE WERE MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME WETLANDS ON THIS PROPERTY, I ASKED IF THEY HAD DONE THEIR WETLANDS DELINEATION AND THEIR ANSWER WAS NO, IT HASN'T RAINED, WHICH IS AN UNACCEPTABLE ANSWER.
BUT I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANYBODY'S QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE IF I HAVE THE ANSWER.
>> WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION AND IT WAS MORE TO JOHN.
I THINK PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT APPROVE THIS. IS THAT RIGHT, JOHN?
>> WHAT WAS THE THOUGHTS OF PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT, JOHN? WHAT IS THAT?
>> MAINLY I THINK PLANNING DIDN'T LIKE THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LOTS
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THAT WERE CLOSER TO THE BEACH SIDE [NOISE] AND PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IN THAT AREA.[NOISE] THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENTS AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THE DEVELOPER WASN'T THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD.
THEY DID HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SURVEY COMPANY, I BELIEVE, THAT WAS THERE OR THE ENGINEERING COMPANY, ONE OF THE OTHER.
>> BUT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO ANSWER REALLY THE QUESTIONS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE.
>> OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I HAD TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT IT OR MAYBE MAYBE THIS IS TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I DIDN'T WATCH THAT MEETING. WHAT'S THAT?
>> I SEE PEOPLE FROM PLANNING HERE.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BEACH ACCESS.
THAT WAS A CONCERN THE PEOPLE IN SPANISH GRANT HAD, HOW YOU ACCESS THE BEACH FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THE SECOND WAS THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD.
DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING FROM THE 60 TO THE 30 FOOT?
>> NOT SO MUCH THE ROAD, BUT YEAH.
I DON'T THINK FIRE HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT.
[OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE WORKING ONE ROUTE IN THERE.
THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ANGLE THOUGH, OF THE ENTRY IN THE GATE PLACEMENT WITH PEOPLE BACKING UP ON TO [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE OF THE GATE PLACEMENT.
>> YEAH. A SLANTED ROAD THAT BACKS UP ON A HIGHWAY WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT AT THAT POINT IS 55 MILES AN HOUR.
YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE ENTERING AND ONE CAR IS GOING TO BE STOPPED ON A HIGHWAY.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THEM DIRECTLY HAS THIS BEEN APPROVED BY TXDOT? THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THEY'RE SAYING, "GO AHEAD, APPROVE THE POD".
IT ALL TURNED OUT IN THE WASH AND I DISAGREE.
>> WITH ADRIAN. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR THE CAMERA AND THANKS, SIR.
>> YOU ARE THE MULTIPLYING PLANNING MANAGER.
>> ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ADRIAN [INAUDIBLE] HERE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
I KEEP SAYING PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON ADRIAN? THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE ROAD [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK JOHN ANSWERED THE QUESTION ON THE ROAD.
[OVERLAPPING] HOW DO THEY ACCESS THE BEACH?
>> THAT DOWN LAP DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT BEACH FRONTAGE.
WE HAVE THE COST OF DIVISION HERE TOO TO MAYBE FURTHER THROW OUT THE DETAILS ON THAT.
>> WELL, IT WAS JUST ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS RAISED BY THE RESIDENTS IN SPANISH GRANT.
HOW DO THESE FOLKS GET BECAUSE THERE'S A SWELL BETWEEN THEM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. HOW DO THEY?
>> IT'S GOING TO MAKE GOING THROUGH SOMEBODY'S YARD DIFFICULT.
ARE THEY GOING TO BE GOING DOWN THROUGH THE [OVERLAPPING] CUL-DE-SAC.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THE POD.
IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE POD.
AS I MENTIONED, THIS LAW DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT FRONTAGE ON THE BEACH.
>> IT HAS ONE PIECE THAT TOUCHES THE BEACH. [NOISE]
>> MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT ABUTS TO BUY OUT LOTS.
>> OF COURSE THE BEACH HAS ERODED QUITE A BIT AND THEY ARE TWO LOTS IN FRONT OF THIS THAT ARE BOUGHT OUT LOTS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A BEACH WATER [OVERLAPPING] TECHNICALLY.
>> BUT THEY WILL STILL HAVE TO DEVELOP A SECTED BEACH FRONT LOT.
THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO PUT A DUNE IN SOME LEVEL.
>> YOU GOT TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DISTANCE.
THROW IN A DUNE AND ALL THAT STUFF.
>> YEAH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE CLOSER DIVISION ON THAT AS WELL.
>> I WAS TOLD YESTERDAY THAT THEY HAVE NOT.
>> HOW ARE YOU THINKING? [OVERLAPPING]
>> CLOSE RESEARCH MANAGER. THEY DID SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR THREE HOMES ON THERE FOR THE BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THEY WENT TO THE POD AND HOLD THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM.
THEY WAS ASKED FOR ANY TYPE OF DUNE WALK OVERS OR BEACH ACCESS.
THEY SAID THEY WERE NOT PLANNING ON CONSTRUCTING ANY BEACH ACCESS AT THAT TIME.
IN OUR REVIEW, THAT WAS NOT PART OF IT.
AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE POD DEVELOPMENT AND NOTICE THAT THERE WAS BUYOUT LOTS.
THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE.
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THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH CONSTRUCTIONS, THE DUNES.WE HAVE POSTPONE THE BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION PROCESS UNTIL THEY GET TO THE POD.
WE NOTIFIED THEM THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE, UNTIL WE GET THIS RESOLVED.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO CLAIM NO GREAT DEAL ABOUT THIS, BUT JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP AND LISTENING TO THE FOLKS IN SPANISH GRANT.
YOU'VE GOT 6-8 HOUSES ON THE BEACH SIDE.
THAT ARE GOING TO WIND UP BEING RENTALS.
THAT'S CLEAR THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COME DOWN HERE AND RENT ONE OF THESE.
I'M UNCLEAR ALTOGETHER HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GO? ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE THE GOLF CART BACK UP THE STREET AND GO FIVE AND GO AROUND THROUGH THIS BEND [INAUDIBLE]? [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU CAN DO THAT. CAN TAKE GOLF COURSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT WOULD BE THE ONE TIME THAT I WOULD APPROVE THE MARSHALL SITTING THERE FULL TIME.
>> ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK WHY ARE YOU PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT ANYTHING IF THEY SAY NO.
>> THAT'S NOT REALLY YOU'RE [INAUDIBLE] MANDATORY.
>> THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I'M UNCERTAIN.
ACCORDING TO MY ANSWER FROM THE GLO.
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE BEACH ACCESS.
BUT WE COULD GET THAT CLARIFIED.
>> THE ONLY WAY TO ADD BEACH ACCESS IS IF WE ARE RESTRICTING SOME PORTION OF ACCESS TO THE BEACH VEHICLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS THE ONLY TIME THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPLY ACCESS.
IF PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL COMES TO US AND BUYS A LOT AND WANTS TO BUILD A HOUSE, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS OR WE CAN'T SAY ARE YOU GOING TO CONSTRUCT A DUNE WALK OVER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR OUR REVIEW?
>> YEAH. I MEAN, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT MINE IS WELL BEYOND THE NORTH SIDE OF THROUGH W5.
I MEAN, YOU'RE DEVELOPING OVER THERE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PROVIDE BEACH ACCESS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY MY PROBLEM.
BEFORE I WOULD APPROVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS, I WOULD RATHER THEM GO THROUGH THE COASTAL APPLICATION OR GIVE US INFORMATION IF THESE LOTS ARE EVEN DEVELOPABLE WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE DUNE SYSTEM HERE OR THE LACK OF DUNE SYSTEM.
>> WE HAVE. LIKE I SAID, WE'LL GET TO THE PROCESS BECAUSE THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING WITH PLANNING, THIS WAS BEFORE I CAME ON BOARD AND THEY WERE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED OF THE PROCESS.
WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, WE ALREADY ACTUALLY HAD AN APPLICATION FOR BEACH FRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE.
WE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE GOT THEM THE REQUIRED DISTANCE FROM NORTH [INAUDIBLE] ALL OF THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHO ACTUALLY DID THIS.
>> THIS IS DONE BY A RESONANCE.
>> DO THESE LINES HERE MEAN ANYTHING? THIS HAS 400 FUNDS.
>> OH, WHERE ARE YOU POINTING, JOHN?
>> THIS HASH LINE OR YELLOW HATCH AREA?
>> YES, SIR. THE SENATE FIVE-FOOT PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW AREA IS INACCURATE AND THAT'S HOW I CAME UP THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A PUG WHEN WE WERE GETTING READY TO ISSUE THE BEACH 1, CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE.
WE WERE WORKING ON ADDING THEM TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN IT CAME UP THAT, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET A PID OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCEDURES.
WE WOULD DO OUR BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATE AND THAT'S HOW IT ENDED UP HERE DIDN'T NOW.
>> THEY SIT IN A PROTECTED DUNE AREA TO IT THE LAW.
>> BUT ALSO, THERE IS NOT A DUNE SYSTEM. YOU ARE CORRECT.
WE DO HAVE SURVEY INFORMATION.
WE WORKED WITH THEM ON THEIR SURVEYS, BUT THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE 25 FOOT LINE OF NORTH OR THE DUNE THAT'S REQUIRED, BUT THIS IS STILL WITHIN THE SAME ONES.
>> SAME ONES THAT SURVEYED DONE.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BECAUSE I FIND THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST HIGHLY EROSIVE AREAS THAT THERE ARE.
>> FIVE TO SEVEN FEET A YEAR, AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU STARTED TO HAVE THAT INLET INTO ROWS ALL THE WAY BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
THEN THEY CAME FOR BUILDING PERMIT FOR THESE HOUSES HERE WITHIN THE 75 FOOT REVIEW AREA.
>> THAT WOULD GO BACK THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
>> PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY
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TO APPROVE OR DENY IF THEY WEREN'T THOSE HOUSES IN THAT 75 FOOT AREA?>> I THINK THE DEVELOPER HAS TAKEN A PRETTY BIG RISK WITH THREE OF THE LOTS HERE BY DOING THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS APPROVED ANYTHING WITHIN THIS 75 FOOT AREA. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THEM.
>> THEY HAVE 75 FOOT, NOT THE 25 FOOT AREA.
>> THAT'S DOING PROTECTION LINE DO CAUSED BY SNARE. BUT THE 75 FOOT.
YES, SIR. WE AUTHORIZE THAT ONE JUST ON TUESDAY FROM MR. SHAW.
>> JUST FOR THE RECORD THING. PART WOULD BE THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
>> THAT IS ESTABLISHING A CONCEPT PLAN AND THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANNING AND OF COURSE, SPEECH FRAME.
HERE IT IS A LOT OF RISKS OUT THERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT HAVING THAT ASSURANCE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING.
>> THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE WIDTH.
GIVEN APPROVAL HERE, IS THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAN ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY.
>> WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT POD BECAUSE I KNOW ABOUT THEIR PROPERTIES ON THE WEST END AND WHEN PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT DOING INITIAL DEVELOPMENT, THEY WERE TOLD THEY HAD TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY OR GET TEXT.
THESE FOLKS HAVE NOT DONE THAT.
WHY WOULD WE APPROVE A POD? WHEN JUST.
I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I'M NOT A PLANNER LIKE YOU ARE.
BUT I KNOW SURE AS I'D BE WILLING TO BET $10,000 TEXT DATA IS NOT GOING TO APPROVE THAT ROAD BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR SAFETY ISSUE AND IT'S CLOSE TO TWO CUTS WHERE THEY ONLY ALLOW A CERTAIN DISTANCE BETWEEN CUTS.
IT'S ON A DIAGONAL OPPOSITE OF THE WAY.
THEY SURE AS HECK WOULD NOT APPROVE THAT GUARD THING.
NOTHING, MY CAR STOPPING ON A 55 MILE PER HOUR ROAD AND NEVER GOING TO HAVE GOLF CARTS TAKE IT TO PEOPLE TO THE BEACH.
JOHN TALKING ABOUT ALL THE OTHER RISKS ARE FACING.
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND IS GOING TO BUY 1,000,005 HOUSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE BEACH.
THERE ARE BORN EVERY DAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD EVEN LOOK AT A POD BEFORE WE HAD SOME TRANSPORTATION.
SOMETHING FROM TEXTS SAYING THEY HAD APPROVAL, WHICH THEY DON'T.
THEY WERE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM FOR ADRIAN?
>> I DO. LET ME GET MY LITTLE LESS.
[LAUGHTER] I HAVE THAT QUESTION ON 11 DAY.
>> VOTERS HAS TO DO WITH THE WAYS OF WHAT HER STUDY?
>> YOU HAVE MASTER PLAN. [NOISE]
>> MORNING, ROBB, IF YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SIR.
>> GOOD MORNING. HERE YOU HAVE ROBB. WHEN HE CAME THROUGH AT YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEER.
>> I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING, SO ALWAYS FELT LEFT OUT IF I DON'T ASK HIM AT LEAST ONE QUESTION.
I WAS READING THROUGH THE PACKET AND MAYBE I JUST LEFT IT AFTER THE FIRST 10 PAGES THAT JUST SEEMED TO BE INFORMATION ON THAT COMPANY.
I DIDN'T EVEN REALLY SEE ANYTHING ON WHAT EXACTLY.
I SAW A LOT ABOUT THEIR PRINCIPLES.
THEY ALL HAD PRETTY PICTURES OF EACH OTHER AND SO FORTH BUT.
>> THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANOTHER ATTACHMENT IS PART OF THE AGENDA WHICH HAD THE CONTRACT, WHICH HAS THE SCOPE OF WORK AND EVERYTHING IN IT.
BASICALLY WE CAME TO YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, DO THE WATER MASTER PLAN ACROSS THE ISLAND.
THIS IS FOLLOWING UP ON THE HEELS OF THAT USER WASTEWATER AND THAT WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN WAS DONE IN 99.
IT'S DEFINITELY DATED. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAD HURRICANE IKE HAPPEN ON OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
>> AS PART OF THAT LOOKING AT AND UPDATED GOING TO BE LOOKING AT HOW WE GET PEOPLE OFF SEPTIC TANKS AND ONTO THE SOLAR SYSTEM.
>> THE WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT, FINALLY, WE'LL LOOK AT OUR EXISTING NEEDS THAT WE HAVE ON THE ISLAND AND DEVELOPING CIP PROCESS TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD DOWN THE ROAD.
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>> SUCH AS MAYBE REPLACING SUB DICTATES WITH SEWER.
>> THERE'S A COMMON THREAD OF THE TOP.
>> THERE IS A COMPONENT OF THIS THAT LOOKS AT THE WEST SIDE OF THE ISLAND, WHICH IS THE PART THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN, WHICH IS DEVOID OF SEWER RIGHT NOW, MEANING MOSTLY ON SEPTIC, THAT THERE ARE WAYS TO GO AHEAD CONNECT THAT INTO WHETHER IT'S TERAMO OR SOME SORT OF A NEW PLANT ALONG THE WAY.
THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THIS STUDY.
>> THE GOAL HERE IS TO DEVELOP CAPACITY.
>> CORRECT. AND IDENTIFY WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WHILE STILL AVAILABLE.
>> ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT WITH THE PIRATES BEACH IMPROVEMENTS, HOW WE CONDEMN MARK AFTER THEY DID THAT?
>> THAT WHOLE SHIFTS PROFESSIONALLY, WELL BUILT OUT.
>> NO, THERE'S PLENTY OF DEVELOPER LAND BETWEEN THE STATE PARK AND. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S A NUMBER OF AREAS IN THERE.
I CAN GO TO PIRATES AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE TO GO TO AIRPORT.
>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FOR ROBB, COUNCIL?
>> I JUST DIDN'T WANT ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS TO FEEL LEFT OUT.
>> I DON'T FEEL LEFT OUT AT ALL. THANK YOU.
>> THEN MY NEXT ONE IS 11Q, WHERE WE'RE HAVING THREE CANINES DONATED, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.
>> DONATION OF CANINES, I THINK IT'S [OVERLAPPING]
>> EVEN WORSE, SO IMPORTANT SINCE WE JUST HAD ONE THAT WAS. YOU COULD COME UP CHIEF.
>> THAT DONATION OF BULLETPROOF VEST FOR OUR CANINE SINCE WE JUST HAD ONE INJURED AND FINDING A CRIMINAL.
YOU LET ME GIVE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT THE DONATION WE'RE RECEIVING, YOU COULD TELL I READ MY POCKET LATE.
>> YES, MA'AM. FROM THE DON SANDERS FOUNDATION AND HE HAD REACHED OUT AFTER CANINE GORKA WAS INJURED AND OFFERED TO PAY THE ENTIRE BILL THOUGH THE US MARSHALS SERVICE WAS PICKING THAT UP ALREADY.
THEN HE'D CONTACTED US LATER AND IT WAS HIS GRACIOUS DONATIONS SO IT'S FANTASTIC.
YOU'VE HEARD DOGS, THEIR CUSTOM FITTED FOR THE CANINES AND THEY ALSO ARE COOLER THAN THIS TOP OF THE LINE EQUIPMENT [OVERLAPPING]
>> CHIEF, I WANTED TO ASK IF THESE WERE DONATED BY DON SANDERS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IS THAT GENTLEMAN FROM HOUSTON? HE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR UP THERE WHEN I WAS IN HOUSTON.
>> IT EXPLAINS HIS INTEREST IN HAVING MORE POLICE.
>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT I'M SURE YOU HAVE, BUT NICE MAN.
>> HE IS SUPPOSED TO STOP BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TODAY.
>> ONE MINUTE. WE HAVING FLOCK DISCUSSION?
>> BY ALL MEANS IT'S ON THE AGENDA NOW.
AS I MENTIONED, OUR DISCUSSION, IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP FOR CLARIFICATION IS ON THE MOU CONTRACT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S ON ACTION.
BUT I'M GOING TO MOVE UP, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, MOVE UP HERE ON THE BLOCK CAMERAS ON THE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS TO DISCUSS AT THE SAME TIME.
TWELVE VALUE IS WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING.
LET'S START WITH THE, CHIEF, COME ON UP HERE AND OTHER CDS.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO READ 3I AT THE SAME TIME, MAYOR?
>> YES, SIR. READ 3I PLEASE, GYNALE?
>> OKAY. 3I. DISCUSSION OF THE USE OF FLOCK CAMERAS AT EVERY ENTRY AND EXIT TO GALVESTON ISLAND AND OTHER ROADS AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DEEMS NECESSARY.
>> WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS BOTH TOPICS BECAUSE THEY'LL PROBABLY BLEND TOGETHER AS WE DISCUSS THESE.
>> WELL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF FLOCK CAMERAS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PIRATES BEACH.
PIRATES BEACH THE BEACH GO PIRATES COVE, PIRATES BEACH WEST.
WE ARE GOING INTO OUR FOURTH YEAR OF THAT CONTRACT WITH FLOCK CAMERAS AND THEY HAVE BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
FOR THE PUBLIC WHO MAY OR MAY NOT UNDERSTAND FLOCK CAMERAS, FLOCK CAMERA TAKES A PICTURE OF THE LICENSE PLATE.
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I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF TWO WEEKS AGO.TWO WEEKS AGO A STOLEN CAR DROVE INTO PIRATES BEACH AND IT HIT THE FLOCK CAMERA THE INFORMATION IS SHARED, IT ACTUALLY CONNECTS TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
THE INFORMATION WAS SHARED WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WHO THEN HAD IT SHARED WITH PD, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO APPREHEND THAT CRIMINAL IN JAMAICA BEACH.
IT IS CRAZY THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH AVENUES TO GET PD TO APPREHEND.
TYPICALLY, WHEN A STOLEN CAR IS DRIVING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S NOT TO GO VISIT A FRIEND OR TO GO TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IT'S TO DO MORE ROBBERIES.
WE HAD ANOTHER CASE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER WHERE I LIVE, PIRATES BEACH WEST, WHERE A PERSON, AND THIS IS TOTALLY BIZARRE, STALLED A POOL HEATER, WHICH I GUESS COSTS SOMEWHERE $8,000-10,000, BUT HOW THEY WOULD KNOW IT WAS THERE AND IT'S STILL A POOL HEATER.
BUT AGAIN, THAT PERSON HAD A CAMERA AT THE HOUSE SO THEY KNEW THEY HAD THE TIME, AND THEN THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL FROM THE FLOCK DATA THE LICENSE PLATE THAT CORRELATED WITH THE TIME.
THEY FOUND THE CAR UP THAT INTERCONTINENTAL.
THE CAR STILL HAD ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN IT, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE EQUIPMENT BACK.
FORTUNATELY THE CRIMINAL WAS NOT IN THE CAR, BUT HE WAS BAD ENOUGH TO LEAVE HIS BILL FOLD WITH HIS ID, SO THEY WERE ABLE TO APPREHEND THE GUY.
I THINK THERE WAS A MURDER THAT WAS ON THE ISLAND AND THROUGH TOOK OFF THE ISLAND AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PICK UP THE LICENSE PLATE BECAUSE THEY HAD THE LICENSE PLATE IN THE TEXAS CITY FLOCK CAMERAS AND THAT'S WHY JUST THREE EXAMPLES OF WHY, I'M VERY MUCH A SUPPORTER OF FLOCK CAMERAS.
IN GALVESTON COUNTY, THE ONLY CITIES THAT DO NOT HAVE FLOCK ARE GALVESTON, SANTA FE, CLEAR LAKE SHORES, AND ONE OTHER ONE THAT I CAN NEVER REMEMBER.
DIDN'T KNOW I HAD PUT TOGETHER A HANDOUT ON THE FLOCKS, NUMBER 2, DID YOU PRINT THAT? I HAD TEXTED IT TO YOU.
>> I WANT TO CLARIFY TOO AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING BOTH OF THESE AND COUNCILWOMAN ROBBINS, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING IN FAVOR OF THE CITY POSSIBLY PURCHASING FLOCK CAMERA, IS THAT CORRECT MARIE?
>> WHAT YOU WERE SINGING THE PRAISES OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN GENERAL FLOCK IS ONLY ONE VENDOR, THERE ARE OTHER VENDORS OUT THERE AND IF THE CITY IS INCLINED TO PURCHASE THESE THINGS, WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
>> WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I ALSO SHARE PIRATE HAS HAD SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS FOR AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED THERE AND THE PROBLEM WITH SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND THE CLIMATE THAT WE LIVE IN THEY DON'T LAST, BUT GUESS WHAT FLOCK DOES.
IT'S THE FIRST CAMERAS WE HAD THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ISSUES.
IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSED.
WHERE WE WERE REPLACING CAMERAS THREE, FOUR TIMES A YEAR BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HOLD UP WELL IN SALTWATER.
I KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS THAT DON HAS ABOUT THE CONTRACT, BUT THE INFORMATION I'VE SEEN FROM FLOCK, THEY DO NOT SHARE DATA.
I WENT BACK AND I RESEARCHED ALL THEIR FINANCIAL INFORMATION AND THEY DO NOT HAVE STRONG TIES TO CHINA AND THEY ARE NOT WANTING TO
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ACCESS OUR FINANCIAL INFORMATION BECAUSE THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THAT.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THAT PROVIDES MORE SAFETY FOR OUR CITIZENS.
>> I KNOW MIKE HAS I THOUGHT ON THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.
>> DAVID I SAW YOUR HAND UP, JUST ONE SECOND, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS THAT IF THE CITY MOVES FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF FLOCK CAMERAS, THAT'S A SEPARATE DECISION THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA TODAY.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS TO MOVE THROUGH THAT.
WE HAVE MIKE AND THEN DAVID FINKLEY.
SO SPEAKING ABOUT THE MOU THAT IS ON JOHN ITEM FOR TODAY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AN APP FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO USE THAT IS FROM FLOCK.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HARDWARE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT IS SIMPLY AN ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT THEY CAN GET.
IT'S ANOTHER TOOL TO USE FOR CRIME.
I TOOK TIME TO CALL FLOCK THEMSELVES TO ASK THEM ABOUT THIS SHARE OF INFORMATION.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF THE CITY HAD STREAMING CAMERAS AND A SYSTEM FOR THE STREAMING CAMERAS AND THEY WANTED TO POST THIS ON FLOCK, THEN FLOCK WOULD COME IN WITH THE CITY'S PERMISSION BECAUSE THEY WANT TO POST THESE THINGS AND ACCESS THAT SYSTEM TO NOW HAVE THESE CAMERAS ON THE FLOCK SYSTEM.
OUR CITY, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS ANY OF THAT.
BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM TWO POLICE OFFICERS, IS THIS TOOL IS A VERY POWERFUL TOOL AND IF THEY CAN JUST ACCESS THE APP FOR IT NOW, IT WOULD MEAN THE WORLD.
>> I WANT TO ECHO ON COUNCIL MEMBER VBA'S COMMENTS AND SAY IN OUR REFERENCE A CITY ATTORNEY WILL ASK EACH LETTER TO KEEP VALLEY AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS A ONE-WAY TRANSACTION OR AGREEMENT WHERE WE ARE SIMPLY ACCESSING THE INFORMATION FROM FLOCK, THAT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT THE SECTION RELATED TO AGENCY CONFIDENTIALITY OF INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED ONLY TO SWAP IN AND THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY ACCESS TO OUR DATA SYSTEMS, PROCEDURES OR OTHER INFORMATION WITH RESPECT TO THIS.
>> THANK YOU, DAVID. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS BEING MADE.
WHAT CATCHES MY ATTENTION AND THE CHIEF AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY COULD EXPAND ON THIS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT FLOCK'S SAYING; THE CONTRACT, THE MOU DOES NOT SAY THAT, AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO BE CLEAR AND POSSIBLY HAVE CHANGES IN THIS CONTRACT.
>> THE CHIEF REACHED OUT TO FLOCK.
THEIR RESPONSE TO US IS THEY DO NOT WISH TO CHANGE THEIR AGREEMENT.
>> OKAY. I'D LIKE TO HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE CHIEF, CHIEF WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS UNDER THIS?
>> FIRST, I WANT TO CLEAR THE AIR OF WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT.
PLACING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS AN ATTEMPT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GAIN ACCESS TO THIS EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL TOOL AND I BELIEVE THAT WILL INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES UNIT AS WELL AS THE OFFICERS THAT ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY ON THE STREET, AND JUST MAKE THE COMMUNITY SAFER.
WHAT IT IS NOT IS A FIGHT BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I.
AND I THINK IT BLOSSOMED INTO THAT AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT IT'S NOT THE CITY ATTORNEY.
>> YOU [INAUDIBLE] WELL TOGETHER. [LAUGHTER]
>> MR. GORSKI IS A VALUED MEMBER OF THE MANAGEMENT TEAM OF THE CITY AND I VALUE HIS LEGAL OPINIONS AND HE AND I ARE NOT AT ODDS, I CAN ASSURE YOU.
LOOKING OVER THE CONTRACT AND LOOKING OVER THE CONCERNS THAT MR. GORSKI HAS, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THEM AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ROOM TO REACH AN AGREEMENT THAT'S BENEFICIAL FOR ALL AND WOULD SERVE EVERYONE VERY WELL.
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IF WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN FIND A PLACE WHERE WE CAN BECOME COMFORTABLE.WE'VE DONE THAT, WE COMMONLY WERE RIGHT NOW.
OUR BODY CAM CONTRACT HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH FROM LEGAL TO UTILITY MULTIPLE TIMES AND WE'RE NOW AT THE FINAL DRAFT AND IT IS JUST WAITING IT'S FINAL APPROVAL FOR SIGNATURES AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES PLACE ALL THE TIME.
I DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN GET THERE.
I DO BELIEVE THIS IS AN EXTREMELY VALUABLE TOOL.
I THINK THAT LOOKING AT WHAT IT DOES BECAUSE IT'S ALGORITHMS ARE SO MUCH MORE THAN LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION.
IT IS NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION, IT ONLY TAKES PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE BACK OF A VEHICLE, IT'S NOT LOOKING FOR WHO'S IN THE VEHICLE.
BUT THE ALGORITHM IS MUCH MORE THAN LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, IT IS IF THAT VEHICLE IS MISSING A BUMPER, IF IT HAS A BUMPER STICKER IN THE CENTER OF THE BACK OF THE CAR, IF YOU CAN SEARCH BY COLOR, DENSE, ALL THESE IDENTIFYING FACTORS IN A VEHICLE AND SO OF OTHER VEHICLES.
SO IT'S VERY POWERFUL AND GIVES THE ABILITY TO NARROW DOWN SUSPECTS INVOLVED IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY AND SOMETIMES VERY SERIOUS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
FLOCK HAS TRANSPARENCY PORTALS FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE PUBLIC WHERE YOU CAN UPDATE YOUR REPORTS ON WHAT IT'S BEING USED FOR, HOW MANY TIMES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SEARCHED, ETC., AND I'LL STOP THERE.
>> WELL, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CHIEF AND CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT ON THIS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING SAFETY FOR OUR RESIDENTS USING A CAMERA SYSTEM; FLOCK BEING ONE OF THEM.
WERE YOU REALLY LOOKING TOWARDS A ONE-WAY DATA-SHARING OF THE CITY, LOOKING INTO THE FLOCK SYSTEM TO LOOK FOR LICENSE PLATES AND CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOUR CONCERN MAY BE THE TWO-WAY DATA SHARING THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE CONTRACT HERE AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT MAY BE ABLE TO BE MODIFIED POSSIBLY TO MEET EVERYBODY'S NEEDS, IS THAT CORRECT, SIR?
AND AT THIS TIME IT'S JUST ACCESS TO THE DATA AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS NEVER MY INTENTION TO COME AND ASK FOR CAMERAS OR LOCATIONS.
>> THAT WAS NOT STAFFS' INTENTION.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, MANAGEMENT SUPPORTS THE USE OF ANY FORCE EXTENDER THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS FOR FIGHTING CRIME.
ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ME KNOWS I'M A BIG FAN OF CAMERAS BUT WE ALSO SHARE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S CONCERN AND STAND READY TO DO WHATEVER COUNCIL WISHES TO DO WITH THE DATA-SHARING AGREEMENT.
>> WE HAVE DAVID COLLINS AND THEN, THEY MIGHT DO VA.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION BETWEEN ONE-WAY DATA-SHARING AND TWO-WAY DATA SHARING.
WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS, WHAT WOULD WE SHARE?
>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE SHARED [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S ON THE SCREEN, JUST SCROLL DOWN.
>> WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, FLOCK MAY NEED TO ACCESS AGENCY CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, CITY INFORMATION, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY'S HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, BUSINESS PLANS, OPPORTUNITIES.
IT'S A STRATEGY, FINANCES, EMPLOYEE INFORMATION, AND OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE THE CITY TREAT AS CONFIDENTIAL.
SO ON MY VIEW, IF I PAID MY WATER BILL ONLINE AND HAVE AUTOPAY AND THE CITY HAS THAT FINANCIAL DATA, THIS COMPANY CAN ACCESS IT.
IT'S CITY DATA AND BETTER HELD BY THE CITY WHICH WE HOLD IN TRUST.
SO THIS IS AN EXTREMELY WIDE-RANGING ACCESS AT THEIR SET, INSISTING ON IF THEY HAVE CITY DATA.
WHY THEY NEED IT, I DON'T KNOW.
>> HOW WOULD THEY ACCESS IT? [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'D ACCESS IT BUT IT MAY BE NECESSARY FOR US TO PROVIDE IT.
I THINK WE'RE AGREEING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IF THEY THINK THAT WE CAN FIT A PROPRIETARY AND CONFIDENTIAL THERE.
>> WE HAD MIKE MOVING YOUR ITEM.
>> LET HIM GO, I'LL GO AFTER IT.
>> YEAH BUT IN THE COURSE OF JUST THIS APPLICATION AND
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THE LAW ENFORCEMENT USING IT FOR THE RETRIEVAL OF INFORMATION FROM FLOCK DATA SERVERS, FOR FLOCK TO HAVE ACCESS TO OUR INFORMATION, THIS IS A ONE WAY.SO NOW I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD NEED SOME ONE JUST LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE IF YOU WERE TO PURCHASE CAMERAS THROUGH FLOCK BUT NOT FOR AN MOU FOR THE USE OF ITS DATA.
>> WE'VE USED THIS QUITE SUCCESSFULLY VIA AUTO CRIME'S TASK FORCE AS I UNDERSTAND.
>> WHO'S DATA IS THAT? IS THAT COUNTY?
>> WHAT KIND OF AN AGREEMENT DOES THE COUNTY HAVE, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENT THE COUNTY HAS WITH FLOCK?
>> THEY HAVE THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT I AM OBJECTING TO.
HOWEVER, THE MEMORANDUM THAT HE HAS WITH THIS IS NOT ON THE MINUTES AS THE COMMISSIONERS COURT.
THE PURCHASE OF CAMERAS IS ON COMMISSIONERS COURT.
I DO NOT KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THEY HAVE SIGNED THIS.
THE COUNTY USED TO HAVE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THAT LEGAL DEPARTMENT WOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED THIS TO GO FORWARD TO COMMISSIONERS COURT.
>> THE TWO OFFICERS THAT I'VE TALKED TO HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE OTHER CONTRACTS AND THEY ARE SLIGHTLY MODIFIED COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE ON OURS.
THE OTHER THING IS FLOCK IS A COMPANY THAT HAS ACCESS TO CRIMINAL DATABASES FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE.
THEY'RE ACCESSING FEDERAL DATA AND THEY ARE ACCESSING STATE DATA AND BOTH OF THOSE COMPANIES OR BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES DO NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES OR ANY PROBLEMS WITH FLOCK DOING THIS.
THERE'S 60,000 CAMERAS ACROSS THE US AND SO IT'S NOT JUST RECOGNIZING A CRIMINAL'S CAR.
IT ALSO IS FOR MAYBE A PERSON THAT HAS DEMENTIA THAT IS DRIVING.
WHEN THE CAMERA PICKS THESE UP, YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIND THAT PERSON OR THE VEHICLE THAT IS THERE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
>> I THINK WHAT I HEAR IS THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE SITTING AT THIS TABLE IS CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH FLOCK WHERE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN ACCESS THEIR DATA.
IT'S THE CONCERN IS THAT THE DATA-SHARING OF THE CITIES THAT FLOCK CAN GET INTO OUR DATA AND THAT'S THE CONCERN.
WE HAVE DAVID COLLINS AND THEN BRAY AND JOHN I'M SORRY.
>> NO ONE AT THE TABLE IS DENYING THIS.
THIS CAN BE GOOD INFORMATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS AGREEMENT, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, HUNDREDS OF ENTITIES DOING THIS AND JUST BECAUSE MY FRIENDS JUMPED OFF THE ROOF DOESN'T MEAN I WANT TO JUMP OFF AFTER.
I MEAN, IF THIS IS A BAD LANGUAGE IN THE CONTRACT THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS IMPLEMENTED OR SEE US HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
IF WE TALK ABOUT BUYING AND INSTALLING CAMERAS AND DOING SURVEILLANCE OUR-SELF, THAT'S AN ALTOGETHER DIFFERENT THING.
WE JUST WANT ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE SYSTEM BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID SEVERAL TIMES ON TABLE ALREADY.
THAT'S NOT LANGUAGE WE SHOULD BE ADOPTING.
>> CAN WE HAVE FLOCK HERE RADAR SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING?
>> I BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
>> WE'RE GOING TO DO A PROCUREMENT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S PROPER TO HAVE A SINGLE VENDOR ACCOUNT- [OVERLAPPING].
>> TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF THEIR PRODUCT.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT [NOISE] WITHOUT THEM HERE OR WE'RE GETTING ANSWERS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ASSUME AS WHAT THE COMPANY SAID.
I'D RATHER HEAR IT DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPANY.
>> I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE BRIAN, IF I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF FOR SOME REASON THIS IS REFERRED AT OUR REGULAR MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK WITH YOUR DISCUSSIONS OF FLOCK ON HOW WE COULD ADDRESS THIS DATA-SHARING ISSUE THAT THE COUNCIL SEEMS TO HAVE A CONCERN.
>> NORMALLY, WE WOULD HAVE LET THE VENDOR SPEAK TODAY BUT SINCE IT'S ON THE AGENDA ABOUT PURCHASING CAMERAS WE FELT IT WOULD TAKE THE PURCHASING PROCESS IF WE ALLOWED THEM TO SPEAK.
THAT'S WHY OTHERWISE THEY COULD HAVE BEEN HERE AND ANSWER DIRECTLY.
>> CAN WE HAVE THEM IN OUR NEXT MEETING?
>> IF YOU'RE CONTEMPLATING BUYING CAMERAS FROM FLOCK, HAVING VENDORS SOLICIT DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL IS [OVERLAPPING]
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>> THAT'S WHY WE WERE TAKING THE STEPS THAT WE WERE TAKING SO I DEFER TO LEGAL AND PURCHASING DEPARTMENT ON THAT.
>> THE CHIEF AND STAFF COULD BRING BACK TO US AFTER THEIR DISCUSSIONS WITH FLOCK A MODIFIED CONTRACT AND AMENDED CONTRACT THAT WOULD POSSIBLY ANSWER OUR CONCERNS.
WE HAD JOHN, YOU HAD A COMMENT.
>> WELL, YEAH. 12A IS AN MOU BETWEEN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THEN FLOCK.
>> WHY CAN'T WE DISCUSS THAT WITH FLOCK?
>> WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO CONTEMPLATING ON THE SAME AGENDA AND THE WORKSHOP BUYING CAMERAS.
>> WE WEREN'T CONTEMPLATING. WE WERE DISCUSSING.
IT'S NOT ACTION ITEM, IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM.
>> TYPICALLY YOU DIRECT STAFF TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE VENDORS?
>> DIRECT STAFF TO NEGOTIATE LANGUAGE ON THE CONTRACT WITH THE VENDOR?
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
>> THAT'S WHAT I SAID TO BEGIN WITH. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE ARE INCLINED TO PURCHASE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.
WE WOULD PUT OUT A PROCUREMENT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
>> FLOCK WOULD BE A RESPONDENT.
WERE FLOCK A RESPONDENT THAT WOULD BE AWARDED.
WE WOULD BE ALSO WRITING THE SAME MEMORANDUM WITH THEM, THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER AND IT WOULD BE A PACKAGE DEAL.
>> [OVERLAPPING] NOT ON OUR PACKAGE DEAL. NO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
WE HAVE ONE THING ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS MOU.
WE HAVE ONE THING ON OUR AGENDA FOR COUNCIL TODAY TO TAKE ACTION ON.
>> IT'S AN MOU. MARIE ASKED TO PUT THIS OTHER AGENDA ITEM ON OUR WORKSHOP DISCUSSION.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT HEAT UP THE WATER.
>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS POSSIBLE PURCHASE MIGHT USE THE PRODUCTS.
>> IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ON OUR WORKSHOP AGENDA, OUR QUESTION TODAY ABOUT GETTING FLOCK TO DISCUSS THE MOU AGREEMENT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
>> BUT WHY DIDN'T SOMEBODY TELL ME THAT.
I WOULD'VE PULLED THE ITEM OFF.
>> CAN WE JUST PULL THE ITEM OPERATE NOW THOUGH WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING OR WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE AT THIS POINT.
>> WELL, THAT'S CRAP BECAUSE SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME THIS.
>> WELL, [NOISE] I FEEL BAD ABOUT IT.
REPORTER CALLED ME WHEN I WAS IN HOME DEPOT TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE PURCHASE OF FLOCK CAMERAS ON FRIDAY EVENING.
I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
>> WHEN DID THIS GET PUT ON THE AGENDA?
>> JANELLE INFORMED ME THAT COUNCILWOMAN ROBB LIKE TO HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA WHEN IT WAS LAST TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY.
>> TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY, YEAH.
>> THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA, IT'S PUT OUT ON THURSDAY.
[NOISE] NO ONE THOUGHT OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WOULD HAVE PULLED THAT. I WOULD HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS ON BOARD.
NO ONE SAID A MENTION OF ANYTHING TO ME.
>> WHERE DO WE STAND WITH THE MOU THAT'S ON OUR COUNCIL AGENDA.
>> WELL, RIGHT NOW I'M GIVING YOU MY THOUGHTS.
THE MOU IS STILL AN ACTIVE ACTION ITEM ON OUR AGENDA AND THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS OUT THERE THAT ARE USING FLOCK CAMERAS RIGHT NOW.
PIRATES IS ONE OF THEM AND SO IF WE APPROVE THAT MOU THAT ALLOWS THE POLICE TO SHARE FLOCK DATA BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS THEM TO SHARE, TO GET INTO OUR DATA SYSTEM.
>> CAN WE STILL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT CONTINGENT ON THE LANGUAGE BEING ADJUSTED TO THE STEADY AND IF IT'S NECESSARY AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THERE'S REASONS TO DISCUSS IT WE COULD HAVE FLOCK [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE ROUTE I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU GOES TO DIRECT COUNSEL TO I MEAN I'M A FAN OF THAT.
I WOULD SAY APPROVAL SUBJECT TO AGREEING TO THE TERMS THAT THE CITY FIELDS ARE COMPLIANT.
IF THEY DO NOT, IF THEY REFUSE WE WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND WE WOULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION THERE AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY FUTURE RFPS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THE LANGUAGE.
I'D RATHER SEE STAFF WORK WITH FLOCK BRING BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING.
IF WE DEFER THIS ITEM, BRING BACK TO US AS THE NEXT MEETING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WILL TELL YOU WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED RESPONSE FROM FLOCK THAT THEY DO NOT INTEND TO CHANGE THEIR CONTRACT. IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF?
>> THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL RESPONSE, YES.
>> MAYBE WE'LL MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CAN'T REFUSE.
>> WE COULD APPROVE IT CONTINGENT TO THE LANGUAGE
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BEING REVIEWED BETWEEN THE CITY AND CHIEF AND WHATNOT.>> WE COULD OR WE COULD HAVE THEM BRING BACK.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE, JOHN.
>> WHAT ABILITY OR AUTHORITY DO THEY HAVE? HOW WOULD THEY ACCESS OUR DATA?
>> PROBABLY, WITH THE ACCESS POINT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM, AS POLICE HAD POINTED OUT ANOTHER NIGHT, SHE WOKE.
HOPE COME ON UP HERE, ASSURANCE GOT A QUESTION HERE IN A SECOND, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF WE SIGN THIS AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE A TWO-WAY DATA-SHARING, HOW DO THEY GET INTO OUR SYSTEM?
>> THIS AGREEMENT DOESN'T HAVE A TWO-WAY DATA SHARE.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT, IT SHOULD NOT.
>> IT DOES THIS ONE HAS A TWO-WAY SHARING.
>> MY QUESTION IS, IF THEY CAME TO US AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO ACCESS YOUR DATA, FIRST, YOU'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT TO THEM.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS, MAYBE YOU COULD PUT IT BACK.
>> THEN THEY WOULD MAKE THAT REQUEST, THEY CAN'T AUTOMATICALLY GO IN AND SEE ANYWAY.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS.
LOCKE DECIDES WHETHER THEY NEED TO DO IT.
>> PHYSICALLY ACCESS THE DATA.
>> HOW DID THEY DO THAT? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA RIGHT NOW.
WE SIGN THE CONTRACT NOW, THEY CAN'T, WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE, GO IN THERE, LOOK AT OUR INFORMATION.
>> THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TO OUR DATA.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THEIR SOLUTION FOR RIGHTS OR DATA, I KNOW THAT I HAVE MADE [INAUDIBLE] BUT THERE'S NEVER 100% GUARANTEE THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY.
>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO HACK INTO IT OR SOMETHING.
THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS, RIGHT?
>> THE LANGUAGE IS VERY UNUSUAL.
>> BUT WHY WOULD WE SIGN A CONTRACT?
>> I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND THE INFORMATION HERE, I'M JUST ASKING THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO OUR DATA, IF THEY WANTED THE DATA, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK US FOR THAT DATA.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
IF WE SAID NO, THEN THEY COULD SUE US BECAUSE WE HAVE A CONTRACT.
BUT IT HAVE TO TAKE SOME LEGAL ACTION IF WE WANTED THE DATA.
WHAT I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, THAT WERE NOT GIVING THEM BY SIGNING THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING, HEY, HERE'S THE PASSWORD, JUST ACCESS THEM WHEREVER YOU WANT.
>> ANY OF OUR DATA EXCEPT A CONNECTION REQUEST, PROVISION OF SOFTWARE AND SERVICES, AND FOR FOX OFFICERS WHO NEED TO GO SUCH INFORMATION, THEY GET TO DECIDE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE HERE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF I UNDERSTOOD.
WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM ACCESS, WE'RE NOT, HERE HERE'S OUR PASSWORD, ACCESS OUR DATA.
>> I GOT YOU, JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
>> IT'S VERY UNUSUAL LANGUAGE THAT YOU DON'T TYPICALLY SEE IN A CONFIDENTIALITY SECTION.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT, JOHN, SAY WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT AS IS, THEN THEY COME TO US AND SAY WE WANT TO SHARE YOUR DATA AND SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, AND THEY SAID, YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO THIS IN THE CONTRACT.
>> EVEN IF YOU WERE TO IMPLEMENT, I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WORDINGS, EVEN NEED IT.
>> IMPLEMENT MEANING [OVERLAPPING] IF WE JUST SIGN UP FOR THE SOFTWARE.
>> WE ARE NOT SIGNING THAT CONTRACT STILL, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TEAMS.
>> IT'S ABOUT TEAM SOLUTION, BUT IT'S APPLICABLE.
>> IT IS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT THOUGH.
>> CORRECT, BUT IT'S APPLICABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY WAS TO, THIS WOULD BECOME APPLICABLE LANGUAGE, AND I STILL DON'T AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IT'S A [INAUDIBLE].
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND SO I STILL DON'T BELIEVE THAT LANGUAGE WOULD COME INTO PLAY IF THE CITY DID DECIDE IN OR PROCURE AND GO OUT FOR PROCUREMENT AND SOLVE CAN.
>> WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION, I'M SORRY.
>> I HEARD THE POLICE CHIEF SAYING THAT HE,
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AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S WITHIN THERE, THAT PROBABLY YOU COULD GO BACK AND TALK TO THEM AND COME BACK WITH SOMETHING BETTER OR DIFFERENT?>> GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES, MA'AM.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALL THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, CONTRACTS, MOUS, ARE TWEAKED THROUGH CITY LEGAL, AND THEN AN AGREEMENT IS MADE THAT THE LANGUAGE IS GOOD FOR BOTH.
>> THE CHIEF THOUGH, HE DID SEND THEM DAN'S VERSION AND THEY REJECTED IT.
>> DO YOU STILL FEEL THAT YOU CAN MOVE TOWARDS A BACK-AND-FORTH THEN POSSIBLY A POSITIVE OUTCOME OR AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD MAYBE NOT SUBJUGATE THAT TO ME?
>> REJECTED AT THE SALES LEVEL, I BELIEVE, WASN'T REJECTED ANY KIND OF CORPORATE LEVEL.
>> I WAS WITH THE LOWEST LEVEL
>> [OVERLAPPING] HE MESSED UP HIS AFTERNOON.
>> PASSED IT ON AND IT WAS I GUESS NOT WELL RECEIVED.
>> IT ALL COMES DOWN TO, THIS AS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, AND IF THEY CHANGE IT FOR US, TRUST ME, THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT FOR EVERY OTHER CITY THAT USES IT, AND IF THIS SOMEHOW IMPACTS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD, BUT IF IT'S SOME PART OF THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, THEY MAY BE HESITANT.
BUT WE HAVEN'T PUSHED IT TO THE LIMIT TO SEE IF THEY WOULD AGREE OR NOT, WE'VE PUSHED IT BACK TO OUR REPRESENTATIVE, OUR REPRESENTATIVE SAY WE DON'T CHANGE AGREEMENTS.
THAT WAS HIS ANSWER TO US, DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE COULDN'T PUSH IT UP HIGHER.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY WILL EITHER.
>> THE MAYOR IS SUGGESTING THAT HE GOES WITH THIS PLAN BACK AND FORTH AND LOOKING AND SEEING, THAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION.
>> THAT'S MY SUGGESTION, I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF AND THE CHIEF AND OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO GIVE WITH FLOCK THOSE THAT HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAP INTO THEIR SYSTEM AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT TWO-WAY DATA.
>> WE HAD JOHN AND THEN MARIA AND THEN MIKE.
>> WHAT WAS YOUR LANGUAGE THAT YOU SAID BACK TO THEM?
>> LET'S CORRECT THE ENTIRE PARAGRAPH.
>> YOU TAKE THAT PARAGRAPH OUT.
>> BUT THEY WERE FREE TO THROW IN SOMETHING THOUGH.
>> I'M JUST GOING TO TALK OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, AND USING THESE PIRATES, THEY DO NOT ACCESS ANY EMBARKED FINANCIAL INFORMATION, PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, ADDRESSES, NAMES, IT'S PURELY LICENSED PLATES ENTERING AND EXITING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> YOU HAVE SIMILAR LANGUAGE IN YOUR CONTRACT?
>> I DO NOT HAVE A COPY, BUT I CAN FIND OUT.
>> YOU WOULD AGREE, THEY DON'T NEED THIS LANGUAGE.
IF THEY'RE NOT ACCESSING YOUR FINANCES.
>> MAY JUST BE A BOILERPLATE THAT THEY ADJUST TO WHEN BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF ALBENY CITIES.
>> NO, IT'S 60,000 CAMERAS ALL OVER THE US.
>> YEAH, CAMERAS, BUT I THINK IN JUST TEXAS OR SOMETHING LIKE 2000 CITIES OR I FORGET, I HAD SENT NOTHING AVERAGE AND KNOW I CAN'T GET IT.
>> LET'S WRAP THIS DISCUSSION UP, MIKE.
>> IS THIS THE ONLY SERVICE OUT THERE THAT DOES THIS?
>> I'M NOT TALKING HARDWARE, I'M TALKING JUST THE SERVICE BY ITSELF.
>> WE HAVEN'T CHOSEN ANYTHING.
>> WHY DID WE CHOOSE THIS ONE TO COME TO COUNCIL?
>> IT'S ABOUT THE COUNTY ISSUE.
>> FOX'S ALGORITHM PICKS UP MORE THAN JUST A SIMPLE LICENSE PLATE, IT PICKS UP A WHOLE HOST OF IDENTIFIERS.
>> DO YOU THINK IT IS THE BEST ONE OUT THERE?
>> IT DOES PROACTIVE THINGS AND IT DOES INVESTIGATIVE TOOL, IT'S AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL AS WELL.
THE INVESTIGATIVE SIDE, I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE BEST ONE OUT THERE.
>> JUST WHAT WE'RE USING THROUGHOUT OUR CRIMES IN THE COUNTY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] MAJORITY OF CITIES.
>> THERE ARE A LOT OF CAMERAS BETWEEN HERE IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA THAT ASSIST IN SOLVING CRIMES EVERY DAY.
>> I WAS ALSO TOLD THAT AFTER THE ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN THE PAPER, THAT THE COUNTY DID TAKE IT UNDER REVIEW AND TAKE IT BACK TO COMMISSION, AND THIS IS SECONDHAND.
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I WAS TOLD THIS AND THEY APPROVED IT WITHOUT ANY APPREHENSION.>> I WAS DONE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT'S ONLINE THROUGH THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ON THEIR SLITS?
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF, THANK YOU HOPE.
COUNCIL, DID YOU HAVE MORE, MARIA?
>> WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO GET IT BACK TO YOU BECAUSE I ALSO KNOW THE REASON THIS WAS PUSHED ON THE AGENDA WAS, WE WERE TOLD BY THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE AUTO-CRIMES TASK-FORCE THAT THE BLOCK IS MOVING AWAY FROM THE FREE DATA-SHARING, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THAT DEADLINE AS BEST WE CAN THAT'S WHY WE PUSH THIS FORWARD AS FAST AS I DID.
>> WHILE WE'RE LACKING TO MOVE AROUND THE COUNCIL TO GET ADAMS, I'M GOING TO BRING UP 10A, WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PORT HERE, THEY'VE BEEN WAITING.
WE HAVE 10A THAT IS ABOUT THE BOND THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA, FOR COMING BACK TO THIS AFTERNOON AT FIVE O'CLOCK.
COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE ISSUANCE OF THIS BOND?
>> IN REGARD TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BOND ITSELF?
>> NO, BUT I WAS VERY INTERESTED TO WAKE UP BECAUSE THERE'S ARTICLE ON PAPER THIS MORNING, BECAUSE I FELT ON TUESDAYS AT THE FIRST BOARD TOLD THE WHOLE MANAGEMENT THAT, PUT THE BRAKES ON DEVELOPMENT APPEARS 16.
>> WELL, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> ALL DIRECTOR IN THE PAPER SEEMS TO BE SAYING, YEAH, SURE, WHATEVER.
>> I WILL ADDRESS THAT IN THE PORT REPORT, IT'S COMING UP. YES, SIR.
>> PLEASE PROBABLY DO THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S NOT PART OF THIS IDLE NO, THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS.
>> WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT LESS FUNNY WITH THAT YOUR MOUTH [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
>> BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IT JUST LIKE WE DID THIS LAST FLOCK ITEMS. YOU PROBABLY DID THE SAME THING.
>> I CAN DO. IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ISSUANCE OF THIS BOND, BUT I WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT VERY DIRECTLY AND WITH A LOT OF INFORMATION.
>> YOU WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO UPDATE US ON PORT ISSUES RELATED TO THE BOND IN YOUR ADDRESS AS WELL.
>> YES, SIR. I WILL VERY MUCH SO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS ITEM HERE?
>> I DO. I'M LOST MY NOTES THAT WE NEED TO NOT WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS JUST ON THE ISSUANCE OF THE BOND.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ISSUANCE OF THIS BUTTON? THAT'S WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA.
>> YES. HOW DOES THIS NEW LETTER THAT CAME IN ON TUESDAY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE FINANCIAL COMMITTEE FROM RSM AFFECT THE BOND OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BOND?
>> I'M GOING TO ALLOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS THE LETTER AND SO FORTH FROM THE PORT.
>> YES. HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE BOND.
>> I'M GOING TO ALLOW IT BECAUSE OF THAT.
TONY, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, IF YOU WOULD, SIR.
>> SURE. TONY BROWN, 512700 DRIVE [OVERLAPPING] TO THE CITY MANAGER.
I'M HOLDING THE BLOCK SEAT HERE, CERTAINLY FOR THE COURT. [LAUGHTER]
>> IN RELATION TO THE BOND NOW, COUNCILMAN BOUVIER ASKING HOW DOES THE INFORMATION THAT WAS RELATED TO THE PORT AT OUR TUESDAY MEETING AFFECT THIS BOND CONCERNING THE RSM ISSUE?
>> WELL, SIR BOND COUNSEL HERE WHO CAN CLARIFY IF THERE'S ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC THAT [NOISE] BEYOND WHAT I SAY, BUT THE LETTER RECEIVE FROM RSM CONCERNED INTERNAL CONTROLS CONCERNING THE PROCESS WHERE DOCUMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM TATUM AND WELL, TDM OR THE G YELLOW OR WHICHEVER ENTITY MANAGED IKE FOR THE STATE BEFORE THAT, IN PRIOR YEARS, WHEN CORRESPONDENCE CAME IN, THE RISK MANAGER SENT THAT TO OUR FEMA CONSULTANT.
THE AUDIT LETTER IN RESPONSE TO INQUIRIES STATED THAT IT SHOULD HAVE ALSO GONE TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENTS SO THAT THEY COULD EVALUATE WHETHER IT AFFECTED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
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IT DID NOT THERE'S NO CHANGE TO ANY OF THE NUMBERS IN THE PORTS FINANCIALS, BUT THEY JUST SAID A BETTER PRACTICE, WHICH THE PORT PUT IT IN THEIR RESPONSE THEY WOULD DO IS THAT THE COPIES WILL GO TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL GOING FORWARD.ALTHOUGH STAFF AND THE TRUSTEES ARE VERY HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE NEAR THE END OF THE THING DEALING WITH HURRICANE IKE AND FEMA AS OUR MOST LOCAL ENTITIES.
>> IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE BOND ISSUE DIRECTLY, TO MY KNOWLEDGE AT ALL.
>> BOND COUNSEL HERE DID WE WANTED TO GET HIS BARREN COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE, SIR.
THAT'S FINE. IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
>> YES. FOR THE RECORD, BEAR AND WALLACE AND WITH GRACE, WEALTH THAN YOUR FUNCTIONAL OR NUMBER OF YEARS.
>> YES SIR. I HAVEN'T NOT SEEN THE LETTER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ISSUE IS A DISCLOSURE ISSUE.
ONCE WE READ THE LETTER, THE UNDERWRITER WILL GET THE LETTER.
WE WILL DISCLOSE ALL THE MATERIAL INFORMATION RELATING TO THIS LETTER.
IT COULD IMPACT HOW PEOPLE VIEW THE BOND, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANY THING TO DO WITH WHETHER IT GETS ISSUED OR NOT IT'S JUST A CONSIDERATION AT THE MARKET WILL HAVE TO MAKE.
>> HOW MANY YEARS BACK DO YOU LOOK AT THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS?
>> IN MOST CASES, YOU HAVE A FIVE-YEAR LOOK-BACK.
THERE ARE ALSO CONTINUING DISCLOSURE THAT GO BACK MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT SO THE MARKET WILL LOOK AT IT.
THE COURT HASN'T BEEN IN THE MARKET IN MANY YEARS.
THE RATING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO BE DOING A MORE THOROUGH VIEW.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY IF IT'S FIVE OR SEVEN OR HOWEVER MANY YEARS, BUT THEY DO A LOOK BACK.
>> THEY MIGHT HAVE TO REINSTATE SEGA FOUR YEARS OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.
>> I HAVE NOT SEEN THE LETTER, I THINK SO WHEN SENDING IT TO ME NOW, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THIS DILIGENCE AND UNDERSTOOD.
>> TONY, YOU WERE SHAKING YOUR HEAD.
>> I JUST WHAT WAS REPORTED TO THE BOARD YESTERDAY FROM STAFF AND FROM THE CURRENT EDITORS IS THAT NUMBERS WOULD NOT HAVE TO FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE NOT BEING RESTATED.
>> KNOW RESTATEMENT WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE.
>> IT HASN'T BEEN MY QUESTION. I'M NOT WRITING.
>> I THOUGHT A RESTATEMENT WAS REQUIRED. IT NEVER HAPPENED.
>> WELL, IT HASN'T BEEN DECIDED FROM THE STATE LEVEL EITHER THAT IT HAS TO BE STATED OR NOT.
>> RESTATEMENT AND I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF ON THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN OUR AGENDA, BUT JUST QUICKLY THE RESTATEMENT OF THE PORTS FINANCIALS THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ON THAT AT THIS POINT. YES.
>> ALL I NOTICED THAT ULTIMATELY WHETHER YOU HAVE TO FORMALLY ISSUE THE SAME NUMBERS AGAIN, IF THAT'S A RESTATEMENT, PERHAPS I DON T KNOW BUT NUMBERS I'M TOLD NOT TO MAKE.
>> THE AUDITOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO TELL US WHAT THE IMPACT IS AND WE'LL REPORT THE IMPACT AND THE DOCUMENT.
>> YES, SIR. WE'RE STAYING WITH THE TOPIC OF THE ISSUANCE OF THIS BOND JOHN.
>> HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS TAKE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS AND THEN PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO THE MARKET?
>> I CAN'T TELL YOU, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THIS THE UNDERWRITERS WILL WANT THE AUDITORS TO GIVE A SPECIFIC WRITTEN RESPONSE AS TO WHAT DOES IT TAKE, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN, AND WILL THERE BE ANY RESTATEMENT OR WHATEVER THE PROCESS IS TO RESOLVE IT.
THEY'LL WANT THE AUDITORS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG ONE THAT IT COULD BE WEEKS OR MAYBE A MONTH OR SO.
>> WELL, THEY DID. WOULD IT BE RSM OR WOULD IT BE THE NEW AUDITOR THAT WE HAVE BEARING FOR THIS OR WHATEVER THE NAME?
>> I THINK IN CONJUNCTION THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JOINTLY TELL US WHAT THE RESULT OF THAT IS.
I'M NOT AN ACCOUNTANT, BUT BOTH AUDITORS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS AFFECTS THEIR AUDIT AND THE NEW AUDITOR WOULD SAY, WELL, PERHAPS IT HAS NO IMPACT ON OUR AUDIT.
BUT HIS RSM, AGAIN, HAVING READ THE LETTER.
>> RSM IS NOT THE PORTS AUDITOR RIGHT NOW.
WHEN DID THEY BUY A CONTRACT STOP IN THE NEW ORDER? [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE PUT IT OUT FOR BIDS AND CAME BACK AND LOOKED AT NEW AUDITORS IN THE PORT CHOSE FOR THIS.
>> TWENTY ONE WAS THE CHANGEOVER SOMEWHERE IN THERE?
>> IT WAS A LITTLE LATER THAN THAT, BUT IT WAS AT 21.
>> DID THE 22 AUTO CORRECT AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY THE AUDITOR OR THE BOARD YESTERDAY.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT TO JOHN.
WE'LL TALK MORE DETAILS ON THAT, MARIE.
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>> WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THE REASON THAT THE FINANCIALS WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE RESTATED WAS THE FACT THAT THIS ITEM WAS ALWAYS LISTED IN THE FINANCIALS.
>> NO, THE WHATEVER THE THING REFERRING TO, ACHE OR FEEDBACK THAT IT WAS BOOKED ON THE FINANCIALS.
>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. THAT'S IT.
>> WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM ME, BARON, IS THAT ISSUE OF THE RESTATEMENT OR NOT NEEDED AT THE PORT LEVEL OF THE FINANCIALS AND THAT IS A RESULT OF THE LIABILITY LISTINGS EARLIER THAT WILL BE DISCLOSED IN THE BOND OFFER.
>> I THINK THAT TO MAKE IT REAL PLANE, WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THE MATERIALITY OF IT.
IF IT LEADS TO SOMETHING ELSE, WE'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO THAT BUT THE UNDERWRITERS ARE NOT GOING TO GO SELL BONDS THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR WHAT THAT LETTER MEANS.
>> THIS IS NOT TYPICAL THOUGH.
THIS STUFF WOULD BE DONE BEFORE WE SAW IT HERE, THIS PROCESS MOVES FORWARD. NORMALLY.
>> I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS AND SO I WOULD SAY TYPICALLY THE DILIGENCE PROCESS IS ONGOING AND WE UNCOVER THINGS, BUT WE WOULD NOT GO AND LET'S SAY PRINT THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT AND SEND IT TO THE MARKET BEFORE OUR DILIGENCE IS DONE AND I THINK THAT'S SEVERAL WEEKS AWAY.
WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT THIS WAS A FIRST STEP IT'S NOT THE LAST STEP.
>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE PORT?
>> THANK YOU. BARON. IN VERY MUCH.
>> MARIE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ITEMS AT ALL ON THE AGENDA?
[BACKGROUND] WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.
I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH A MILLION-DOLLAR RESTROOM SYSTEM.
DOES SEEM A LITTLE HIGH ON THAT.
I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY ADA THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AND PROBABLY CORROSIVE THINGS.
BUT JUST THAT SEEMED LIKE A ONE PART THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> ELEVATION, A BIG PART OF THAT.
BUT YEAH, PUBLIC RESTROOMS FOR THE REASONS YOU JUST MENTIONED RIGHT NOW, ARE TYPICALLY A LOT HIGHER AND MORE EXPENSIVE.
>> IS THAT INCLUDE LIKE A LIFT STATION OR ANYTHING?
>> WHAT'S THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?
>> NO. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE PORTABLE RESTROOMS DOWN THERE AT WASHINGTON PARK, COST A FORTUNE TO PUT IN.
SORRY. FOR ME AND I'LL BUILD REFERENCE.
WE BUILD A BEACH HOUSE ON THE LOCATION FOR LESS THAN I COULDN'T.
>> THE RESTROOM, IT'S NOT JUST ONE RESTROOM SEVENTH OF THE BUDGET.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK JOHN BILLS HOUSES WITH ONE RESTROOM EITHER.
>> I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
BUT THE OTHER THING NOW, I'M GOING TO BURST YOUR BUDGET OUT.
TAKING THAT MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN BUILDING THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I WANT TO SEE A TURF FIELD ON THIS FIELD.
THERE'S NO REASON TO SPEND SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS, AND NOT SPEND SOME MORE MONEY AND HAVE AN ACTUAL TURF FIELD THAT HAS LESS MAINTENANCE, LESS WATER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCRAPE IT.
IT CAN BE USED RIGHT AFTER TORRENTIAL RAIN.
YOU WON'T RUIN THE FIELD. THE COST.[OVERLAPPING].
>> THE COST TO MAINTENANCE, IT IS HALF THE MONEY OF REGULAR GRASS FIELD AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
>> MORE THAN A-HALF MILLION THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE WHEN YOU'RE REFACTORING.
>> YOU ALREADY GOT THE PREP WORK AND EVERYTHING ON IT?
>> NO, THE DRAINAGE YOU HAVE TO REDESIGN.
>> I KNOW HOW TO PUT THEM IN. I'VE PUT A MEASURE.
>> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE END.
THIS PROJECT BUDGET WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE DEBT CAPACITY THAT WE HAD IN THE PARK SILO.
BECAUSE WE ONLY HAD SEVEN YEARS UNDER THAT SILO TO ISSUE ANY KIND OF DEBT.
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WE'RE SHOOTING FOR FIVE TO FIVE-AND-A-HALF.WHENEVER WE DID THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND GOT STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE RELEVANT PARTIES.
THAT WAS A DECISION THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WHETHER WE WANTED TO GO ARTIFICIAL OR NOT AND JUST GIVEN THE CHALLENGES WE WERE LOOKING AT ON BUDGET, BECAUSE IF YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT EXHIBIT THAT ARE ATTACHED IN THEIR EXHIBIT A, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT A SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT WITH ONLY A FIVE-AND-A-HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.
AT THAT POINT, WHENEVER WE GOT THE INITIAL ONE.
AT THAT POINT, WE DECIDED THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT THE WAY THAT IT'S LAID OUT.
THAT'S WHEN WE DECIDED THAT, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, IF WE WANTED TO REDESIGN AND KICKED THE BIDS OUT OR REDESIGN IT, WE'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER SIX TO 12 MONTHS, PROBABLY FOR THE DESIGN AND THEN BID AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
>> HOW MUCH WOULD THAT ADD APPROXIMATE IF WE TURN THAT IN AN ARTIFICIAL TURF?
IN 21 THEY'RE SAYING BETWEEN A MILLION AND A MILLION-AND-HALF.
>> IT'S ALSO IF I MAY IN RANDLES DEFENSE, WE DISCUSSED THIS AT SOME LENGTH IN IDC FOR THAT VERY REASON THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VALUE ENGINEERING THAT WENT INTO TRYING TO KEEP THIS PRICE DOWN BECAUSE WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS SOME YEARS AGO, SEVEN MILLION AND INCREASING AND HE'S RIGHT, WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH BOND CAPACITY THAT WE CAN SWING AT THIS.
SOME THINGS HAD TO GIVE AND THE ARTIFICIAL TURF WAS ONE OF THEM.
HE'S NOT JUST PUTTING IN THE TURF.
IT'S JUST RE-ENGINEERING THE DRAINAGE.
>> WHAT'S THE LIMIT ON A CHANGE ORDER? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE LIMIT ON?
>> 25%. ARTIFICIAL TURF IF YOU DID A CHANGE ORDER WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT 10% OF THE PROJECT.
>> ASSUMING THE CONTRACTOR GIVES US A GOOD PRICE ON IT, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULDN'T BE OPEN AND COMPETITIVE KIND OF BIDDING.
>> NO, WE'RE NOT. WE'D HAVE TO STILL GO BACK AND ENGINEER IT.
WE'D STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND ENGINEER THAT. THAT PORTION OF IT.
>> IF YOU GET THE RIGHT TURF COMPANY, THEY'LL DO ALL THE ENGINEERING EVERYTHING FOR THAT FIELD.
>> THE RIGHT TURF COMPANY. THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
>> THE RIGHT TURF COMPANY. IF THE WRONG TURF COMPANY YOU END UP WITH WHAT WE HAVEN'T LESS LIKE.
>> WE'VE GOT MARIE HAS A QUESTION IN A SECOND HERE.
THE WAY IT IS IS COMING FROM IDC BUT IDC HAS VETTED THIS SO LONG FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND YEARS. [OVERLAPPING] YEARS.
IT'S COMING UP AND COME INTO COUNSEL.
IF COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL THAT IN THE MAJORITY WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO IDC TO RE-LOOK AT ANOTHER APPROACH SUCH AS ARTIFICIAL TURF.
WE CAN DO THAT. COUNCIL HAS AN APP.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING I KNOW FOR THIS MIKE.
COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT TO ARTIFICIAL TURF, BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEND IT BACK, HAVE THEM GET NEW MEMBERS AND ALL THAT, THEN BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. MARIE.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY.
CURRENTLY, WHEN A CHILD PLAYS SOCCER IN GALVESTON, THEY DON'T PLAY IN GALVESTON.
FOR HOW MANY YEARS HAVE OUR GAMES HAPPENED IN TEXAS CITY?
>> SEVERAL. ONLY THE YOUNGEST PLAY LOCALLY.
>> ONLY ON MAKING A CHANGE AT THIS POINT WOULD DELAY US AT LEAST ANOTHER YEAR-AND-A-HALF IF NOT LONGER.
>> MY QUESTION GETS TO THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING ARTIFICIAL TURF IN FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY AND WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE FIELD.
YOU'RE CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL FIELD.
I WOULD SAY THAT WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER SOCCER FIELDS IN THE COUNTY, TEXAS CITY, SANTA FE, FRIENDS WAY THEY'RE ALL ON GRASS.
WE HAVE THE ABILITY IF WE'RE DOING A TOURNAMENT TO USE CARVILLE.
IF WE WANTED TO REALLY HAVE IF WE WERE GETTING RAIN, WE CAN ALREADY PRE-ARRANGE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO USE THOSE AS BACKUPS.
>> SOCCER FIELD FOR THE HIGH SCHOOLS, ARTIFICIAL TURF.
>> EXACTLY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING.
>> ANY OTHER LEAGUES IN GALVESTON COUNTIES, SOCCER BASE, EVERYWHERE THAT I'VE SEEN THAT MY KIDS PLAYED FOR 10 PLUS YEARS.
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THEY'RE ALL GRASS.I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS TO USE ARTIFICIAL TURF.
>> THIS IS ALSO BEING TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE WE ARE USING HOT THREE TOURNAMENTS AND ACTUAL MAYBE SEMI-PRO TEAMS HERE AND SO WHEN YOU DO THAT.
>> WE'RE USING IDC WE ARE NOT USING HOT.
>> YES. WE'RE USING $2.4 MILLION WORTH OF CONVENTION CENTER SURPLUS.
>> THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WERE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE FUNDING GAP THERE FROM THE.
>> IS GOING TO HAVE A FIVE MILLION DOLLAR [OVERLAPPING]
>> NOW IT'S COST $10 MILLION. I THINK.
>> IF WE'RE PROMOTING THAT, THEN, YOU SHOULD HAVE A UPPER-CLASS FIELD AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS.
ARE WE USING REUSE WATER FROM OUR WASTEWATER PLANTS TO WATER THIS GRASS?
>> NO. WE HAVE NO WASTEWATER PLANT NAMED IN THE AREA TO GET IT THERE.
IT'D BE A PRETTY MASSIVE ENGINEERING FEE TO GET IT THERE, AND BESIDES THAT, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH GIVE ALL OF OUR CAPACITY AT THE AIRPORT PLANT TO MOODY GARDENS IN THE GOLF COURSE.
>> WE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT UNDER THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN THAT'S ON THE AGENDA TODAY AS PART OF THAT JUST TO SEE IF IT WILL BE A PROJECT THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ENTERTAIN IN THE FUTURE.
>> TOILETS AND TAPS IS A GOOD THING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. IT'S JUST AN EXPENSE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO BE MORE DURABLE FOR SOCCER PLAY.
>> MIKE, TO REITERATE, IF YOU FEEL WE NEED TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF ARTIFICIAL TURF, PLEASE BRING THAT UP AND WE CAN VOTE TO SEE IF WE WANT TO REMAND THIS BACK TO IDC TO LOOK AT THAT ISSUE, JOHN.
>> FIRST DAY ON ARTIFICIAL TURF TOPIC, SAY WE VOTE ON THIS TODAY APPROVED IT, CONTRACTOR WAS CHOSEN, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THEM TO LOOK AT AND BRING BACK TO US THAT CHANGE ORDER?
>> YEAH. WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR IT.
I'M SURE THAT THEY WOULD ENTERTAIN IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR ALONG THE DESIGN WOULD NEED TO GO IN BEFORE THEY COULD PROBABLY GIVE US AN ESTIMATE AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO SECURE DESIGN CONTRACT FIRST.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN ESTIMATE.
YOU ALL GOT SOME ROUND ABOUT NUMBERS ON THAT? [OVERLAPPING] NO REAL HARD NUMBERS.
>> YEAH. IT WAS A FEASIBILITY ESTIMATE THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN ENTERTAIN BECAUSE COSTS WERE ALREADY SEVEN MILLION AT THE 30% DESIGN LEVEL.
>> A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS.
THE RESTROOM. I MEAN, I DON'T DOUBT THESE PRICES AT ALL.
I MEAN, $1 MILLION RESTAURANTS PROBABLY IS WHAT IT IS.
WHY SPEND SO MUCH ON IT WITH CONCRETE PILINGS AND ELEVATED CONCRETE SLAB?
>> WELL, WE CHANGED THE PILINGS OUT THOUGH, RIGHT ON THERE.
>> THERE ARE 16 BY 16 PRECAST CONCRETE PILINGS WITH A CONCRETE SLAB, PODIUM DECK STYLE CONSTRUCTION.
>> WHY NOT JUST USE WOOD PILINGS IN WOOD CONSTRUCTION?
>> WELL, BUT I MEAN, OF COURSE, I'M A HOME BUILDER, I BUILT HOUSES THAT LAST 50 YEARS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS SOCCER COMPLEX IS GOING TO BE THE SAME THING AT 50 YEARS.
IT'S BATHROOMS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS, THIS IS NOT A MONUMENT TO SOMEONE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> FROM THE PARENTS WAS A PERMANENT RESTROOM STRUCTURE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. BUT WHAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF THIS BUILDING ACTUALLY COSTING YOU COMPARE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.
I MEAN, I'VE BUILT PODIUM SAW CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS FIVE TIMES THE PRICE OF WOOD CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'VE GOT THIS WOULD RAMP THAT GOES UP TO THE STRUCTURE.
YOU GOT SOME PRETTY MASSIVE 16 BY 16 INCH CONCRETE PRECAST PILINGS, PODIUM, CONCRETE DECK, AND THEN WOOD STRUCTURE ABOVE THAT.
IF YOU REALLY VALUE ENGINEERING IS SOMETHING I THINK YOU ALL WENT THE WRONG WAY.
THEN ON THE DECKING MATERIAL, TO SAVE MONEY, YOU WENT FROM TRACKS THAT HAS LONGEVITY TO WOOD.
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SOMETHING IF YOU REALLY WANT TO MAKE SOME DENIES.YOU PUT A NICE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE AND IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE MAINTAINING THAT DECK MUCH MUCH MORE THAN THE TRACKS OR THE COMPOSITE DECKING.
>> YEAH. THOSE THINGS, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE VALUE ENGINEERING THAT WENT INTO THIS.
THE OTHER THING, SO LIGHTING IN IT AND WE GOT A LOT MORE INFORMATION HERE, COUNCIL THEN WE GOT AN IDC, WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THIS THAT IDC.
ON THE LIGHTING, THE MUSCULAR LIGHTINGS ABOUT $800,000 SEPARATE CONTRACTS IN THE BIDS FROM LUCAS GOES ABOUT $1.4 MILLION LINE ITEM.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE DOING SOME INFRASTRUCTURE WITH WIRING AND STUFF TO GET TO THOSE LIGHTS OR DOES MOSCOW HANDLE ALL OF THAT?
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> BARBARA, COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
>> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ALSO A SEPARATE ENGINEER OR ELECTRICAL COMING IN THAT WILL BRING IT TOGETHER AND HOOK IT.
THE CONTRACTOR WILL BRING THE POWER THERE.
SEE THE LIGHTS AND MOSCOW WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
>> THAT $500,000 DIFFERENCE FROM THE 1.4 TO THE $800,000 THAT WE PULLED OUT FROM MOSCOW WAS ABOUT $500,000 AMOUNT STILL LEFT IN LUCAS'S CONTRACT.
THEN THEY PROVIDE WARNING TO THOSE LIGHTS?
>> WHY IS THERE THE $15,000 ENGINEERING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE A PURCHASING WITH PARSE TO HAVE A SEC BRIGHT ENGINEERING AND SET AS PERMITTING.
I CAN TIE IT TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE COMPANY DEALING WITH ANOTHER AND IT'S REQUIRED ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.
WE HAD TO DO THIS AT HOOPER FIELD.
WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIELD.
YES, WE DID IT AT CROCKETT. AT ALL, MA'AM.
>> THERE'S ANOTHER $85,000 FOR CITY DALLAS AND INSPECTIONS?
>> THAT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, IN-HOUSE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS GETTING QUANTITIES AND WHAT HAVE YOU THAT WE PAY FOR.
>> MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, THE INITIAL BID FROM LUCAS WAS WHAT AMOUNT, SEVEN MILLION?
>> IT WAS MORE THAN THAT, I BELIEVE.
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT SOME ALTERNATIVES.
>> TELL ME WHAT THE BID CAME IN AT AND THEN HOW MUCH WE VALUE IT OUT OF THE BID.
>> IT WAS ABOUT 6.5 FROM LUCAS.
THAT'S IF YOU BACKED OUT THE ASPHALT ALTERNATE AND THE ALTERNATE NUMBER SEVEN.
>> TELL ME THE NUMBER FROM WHEN LUCAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO SUBMIT THEIR BID TO THE NUMBER WE HAVE TODAY THAT WE'RE REASSIGNING IN CONTRACTS.
ALL THE CONTRACTS. HOW MUCH HAVE WE REDUCED THAT NUMBER?
>> ABOUT 500,000 AT THE END OF THE DAY.
>> WELL, BUT WE'RE GETTING CONCRETE, SO IT'S MORE LIKE 700 OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
YEAH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE NEGATIVES IN THAT BID ALTERNATE NUMBER SIX WAS 170,000 TO REPLACE THE CONCRETE PARKING WITH ASPHALT AND IT WAS A NEGATIVE ALTERNATE THAT WAS IN THERE.
>> I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS TODAY.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SIX, SEVEN YEARS.
THIS PROCESS SEEMS LIKE IT IS THE MOST RUG OUT PROCESS THAT THERE COULD EVER BE.
>> I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL. [LAUGHTER]
>> I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES WITH YOU THERE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I SENT PURCHASING AN EMAIL.
WE'RE WORKING ON SOME PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL JUST DUE TO THIS BID AND ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE CAN TRY TO STREAMLINE THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING INITIALLY IS WE'RE SETTING A MONTHLY COORDINATION MEETINGS BETWEEN ALL THE PLAYERS.
THERE WERE SO MANY HANDS IN THE PART, BETWEEN THE PARTS.
>> I SAY THAT, AND THEN IT SEEMS A BIT RUSHED HERE AT THE END.
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AND THE REASON I SAID THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION AT IDC.THIS PACKET IS MUCH MORE PUT TOGETHER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT WAS RENEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT THAT WAS LUCAS. THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
>> YOU WERE, AND WE HAD TO KNOW WHETHER WE WANT IT TO GO FORWARD WITH MY TAX MONEY, BECAUSE THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT OUT FIELDS, CUT OUT LIGHTING, CUT OUT PARKING.
>> I DON'T WANT TO PUSH THE PROJECT ON FURTHER, BUT IDC PLAYED A BIG PART IN THIS.
I THINK IDC DIDN'T GET THE TIME IT DESERVED TO REALLY EVALUATE THE PROJECT BEFORE IT CAME TO COUNSEL.
IF IN THE FUTURE THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
>> WELL, AND I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS, JOHN.
WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOREVER AT IDC.
>> YOU AT IDC MEETING, YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION?
>> MY QUESTIONS MAINLY IS NOT SO MUCH ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND MY QUESTION IS ABOUT, WE PUT HOT TAX INTO THIS.
>> TRICKLE DOWN. THAT'S RIGHT FROM THE RESERVES AT TRICKLE-DOWN.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER, FINKLEA HAD HIS HAND UP FOR LONG.
>> OH, COUNCILMAN FINKLEA. YES, SIR.
>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION HERE.
AND COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO THE ATTENTION.
I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE PACKAGE AS WELL, AND TO COUNCILMAN MIKE BOUVIER'S POINT OF THE REQUEST TO TRY TO PUT IN A TURF FIELD, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND VOTE FOR IT, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF ASKING THE SELECTED CONTRACTOR TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS AN ALTERNATE.
WHEN YOU LOOK IN THEIR CONTRACT, THERE'S LITTLE OVER $900,000 WORTH OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE, BUT YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM THERE TO WORK ON THAT.
I HAD TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER'S AND LISTOWSKI'S REQUESTING THAT WE HAVE STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
>> SOUNDS GREAT. DID WE HAVE IN THE FUNDING FOR THIS THE MAINTENANCE ON THIS, AND WHERE'S THE MAINTENANCE COME FOR THIS?
>> YES. OR JUST LIKE WE DO FOR CROCKETT PARK.
>> I WOULD SAY THIS, IF IT WASN'T FOR IDC, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS.
I SEE IDC WAS WORKING UNDER SOME CONSTRAINTS FINANCIALLY.
WE HAD TO DO SOME INNOVATIVE FINANCING TO GET THE MONEY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AT IDC, SO ON LAND.
>> ON LAND. LESS THAN 2% ON INTEREST RATES ON THAT ON THAT MONEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS, MIKE? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
>> NO, COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE WORKSHOPS FOR CLARIFICATION. [LAUGHTER]
>> IF YOU'RE PUTTING 30 MINUTES WE'LL CLARIFY.
>> I KNOW. I NEED TO PUT IN FOUR HOURS, IS WHAT I NEED TO PUT IN FOR THAT.
>> 11K, WHICH IS THE DESIGN OF THE NEW BELT TRUST-BUILDING.
THAT'S LIKE A HALF, ALMOST LIKE $440,000 FOR DESIGN.
IS IT A BIG PROJECT? WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE COST FOR THIS PROJECT, I GUESS, OR SOME COST?
>> HEY, [NOISE] COUNCILMAN BOUVIER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION. THE ESTIMATED COST FOR THE OVERALL BUILDING SHOULD BE AROUND 2.5-3 MILLION BUCKS.
THIS IS A RATHER SIZABLE BUILDING.
IT HAS BUILT PRESS EQUIPMENT INSIDE OF IT.
THE EQUIPMENT IS FAILING, THE CONVEYORS ARE FAILING AS WELL.
THIS IS THE DESIGN, ALL OF THAT.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH REPLACING IT.
>> NOT ON THAT ONE. NO. IT STILL SEEMS HIGH FOR A $3 MILLION PROJECT.
THEN GO TO 11 N. LET'S SEE HERE. HOLD ON.
THE 11 N AND THEN ALL THESE INNER LOCALS.
CAN I GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE ARE PERTAINING TO.
>> COME ON UP. IDENTIFY YOURSELF, ROBBIE.
ROBERTSON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WITH TML.
>> WE'RE PART OF THE TML RISK POOL THERE,
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BASICALLY OUR INSURER, AND THESE ARE OUR RENEWABLES WITH THEM.>> ONE'S WORKMAN'S COMP, THE OTHER ONE'S THE GENERALIZED ABILITY.
>> WELL, BUT THEY ADMINISTER OF COURSE.
>> THAT'S IT. THAT'S EVERYTHING.
>> LET'S WORK ON THE QUESTION.
>> THIS WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT CDBG.
I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MYSELF.
>> NOW THE QUESTION IS NEEDED TO BE JUST FOR CLARIFICATION OF THIS ACTION ITEM. YES, MA'AM.
>> I THINK IT'S CLARIFICATION.
MISSION STATEMENT OF CDBG FUNDS.
>> COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE CAMERAS, PLEASE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR FOR GRANTS AND HOUSING.
>> HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE, MA'AM.
>> PUT THE MICROPHONE RIGHT AT THE TOP.
>> CAN YOU READ THE MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE CDBG FUNDS.
[NOISE] UNDER [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND] US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING ADMINISTERS THE CDBG.
>> PLEASE SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER.
>> THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTERS THE CDBG AND HOME PROGRAMS AND PROVIDES THE 2023 CDBG AND HOME FUNDING ALLOCATIONS.
WE GIVE THE AMOUNT THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO RECEIVE AND THIS IS TO PROVIDE AND EXPAND HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW INCOME HOME BUYERS TO PROVIDE AN EXPAND ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGH RENTAL SUBSIDIES FOR LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, AND ASSISTING IN THE PREVENTION OF HOMELESSNESS.
TO PROVIDE HOUSING SERVICES TO SUPPORT LMI, HOMEOWNERSHIP, TBIRA, AND OTHER HOUSING ACTIVITIES.
TO EDUCATE AND ENFORCED LEAD-BASED PAINT AND OTHER LEAD HAZARDS RULES AND REGULATIONS TO IDENTIFY AND ELIMINATE BARRIERS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN PEDIMENTS OF FAIR HOUSING.
TO PROVIDE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION ACTIVITIES TO DIMINISH UNSAFE BUILDINGS AND LOTS.
RIDING INFLUENCES AND GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD DECAY AND LOW MODE INCOME AREAS.
PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE ENHANCEMENTS TO SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOODS REVITALIZATION AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
LOW MODE AREAS PROMOTE THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE CITY'S LOW MODE INCOME RESIDENTS THROUGH THE PROVISION OF PUBLIC AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES, INCLUDING YOUTH PROGRAMS TO FACILITATE NEIGHBORHOODS COMPREHENSIVE AND INDIVIDUAL PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
PLANNING AND CAPACITY BUILDING ACTIVITIES FOR LOW MODE AREAS.
PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND SECTION THREE, EDUCATION FOR LOW MODE AND TIME PERSONS AND BUSINESSES AND ASSIST IN THE COORDINATION OF HOMELESS RESOURCES AND THE COMMUNITIES THROUGH PARTICIPATIONS WITH RELIANCE ON THE CONTINUUM OF CARE PROGRAM.
>> YOU CAN STOP. IT'S PRETTY LONG.
>> [INAUDIBLE] YOUR MESSAGE SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN THREE SENTENCES VERY SUCCINCT AND TO THE POINT.
>> I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE GREAT STATISTICS ON WHAT YOU DO FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND HOUSING ASSISTANCE.
BUT I'D LIKE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT MAYBE NEXT TIME GOING BACK SOME WAY DUELING WHAT THAT SAYS, WHETHER IT'S THE ENTREPRENEURSHIP OR ONE MAIN CONCERN WITHIN A COMMUNITY IS SOME REHABBING.
NOW, I KNOW THAT'S NOT BRIAN, I ALREADY KNOW THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT I HEAR US SAY THAT PARENTS REQUEST THIS OR PEOPLE WILL THEN RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, THEY ALSO HAVE REQUESTS.
SOME OF THEM DEAL WITH HOUSING AND WITHIN THIS DISTRICT ONE, THERE'S LOTS OF HOUSING REHAB THAT'S NEEDED.
MAYBE WE CAN START AND LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX STARTUP PROJECT WHERE ONE HOUSE EACH YEAR IS DONE.
BUT SOME FACE LIFT OR SOMETHING WE HAVE GOT TO GO BACK AND ADD HOUSING REHAB WITHIN THEM,
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WHICH IS PART OF THE STATEMENT THAT'S IN THERE AND LOOK AT MORE, I KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THROUGH THE PARK, BUT THE ENTREPRENEURSHIP, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.CAN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS FOR NEXT YEAR AND SEE HOW WE CAN CHANGE.
>> THAT'S UNDER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION BECAUSE THIS IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
>> WE CAN DIVIDE UP THOSE HOME FUNDS HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT?
>> I'LL TAKE AWAY FROM THE OTHER STUFF WE'RE DOING, BUT THAT'S FINE WHEREVER YOU WANTED TO ADD.
>> I KNOW [LAUGHTER] BUT WE ALSO PAY 100% TO MARSHALL'S.
WHAT WE NEED TO ALSO TAKE A LOOK AND WE PAY A PERCENTAGE OF TWO OTHER MARSHALS AND THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT AS WELL.
>> THAT GOES BACK WELL BEFORE MY TIME HERE, SO.
>> WELL, IT'S OKAY I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT IT RIGHT.
>> ANYTHING ELSE SHARING THAT YOU HAD?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ITEM.
I NOTICED IN YOUR OUTLINE THERE WAS $42,129 FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WAS NOT YOUR MARK FOR ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IS THAT MONEY THAT WE COULD TRANSFER TO THE GALVESTON HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION?
>> THAT MANY HAS TO GO TO A GIOTTO ORGANIZATION WHICH IS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
IF THEY ARE A SHADOW, THEN YES, SIR WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SHADOWS ALL ACROSS THE STATE.
>> ARE THERE VERY MANY. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> I HAVE ONE FROM THIS PACKET SEVEN I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN SPEAK FROM THIS.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW AN UPDATE OF THE LETTER, THE REQUEST FOR THE PAYMENT OF TWO STRIKES, THE STATUS OF THAT THE CITY BEING HOPEFULLY NOT BEING SUED IN THE FUTURE.
>> THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, HOPEFULLY.
>> VERY GOOD. JOHN WERE COMING AROUND TO YOU AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DAVID FINKLEY COMING UP HERE.
BUT JOHN, ANYTHING YOU HAVE, SIR?
QUICKLY ON THE TAXICAB ISSUES SO WE JUST TOOK BASICALLY POINT TWO ONE OUT OF TWO OR ONE OR WHATEVER THAT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE IS, JUST COMPLETELY GOT RID OF IT.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO STOP THERE FOR NOW.
>> THAT'S WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA NOW.
>> I COULD TELL YOU MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE GET OUT OF THE TAXI CAB BUSINESS.
IF WE JUST START, IT'S LIKE LITTLE IN THE WAY YOUR LIMBS HERE JUST WE JUST NEED TO GET OUT OF IT.
>> TO JOHN'S QUESTION WE'RE JUST REMOVING THE AGE LIMITS.
>> FOR NOW THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING.
>> WE DID THAT FOR A QUICK RESPONSE TO THIS ONE GENTLEMAN CAN GET HIS CAB OPERATING.
>> BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BRING BACK TO YOU THAT WE JUST GET OUT OF THE CAB BUSINESS.
>> PERMITS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE?
>> I THINK I WOULD AND YES I GOT YOU PROBABLY COUNCIL MAY HAVE GOTTEN IT.
I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE TAXI CAB COMPANY HERE THAT THEY WANT CHANGES NOW THAT THESE CHANGES ARE GOING ON, THEY WANT CHANGES IN THE TAX YOU CAN.
>> BARELY BEAT ME TO IT. [LAUGHTER].
>> I HAVE A COMMENT BECAUSE I JUST HEARD YOU SAY BRIAN, ONE TAXI CAB.
>> BUT I WENT AND SPOKE TO OTHER COMPANIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE FOR HIGHER VEHICLE SO I CAN DO OTHER THINGS LIKE PICKUP KIDS AND VANS.
I'M SEEING THIS ORDINANCE IS AFFECTING THOSE PEOPLE AS WELL BECAUSE IF THEIR VAN IS 10 YEARS OVER AND THEY COME AND GET THEIR VAN INSPECTED JUST LIKE A TAXICAB DOES.
>> WHY ARE WE INSPECTING? ARE THEY A SHUTTLE SERVICE?
>> I GUESS IT'S CONSIDERED AS SHUTTLE SERVICE.
>> BUT IT DEPENDS ON IF THEY HAVE THEIR LICENSE.
I THINK THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GET THIS CHAUFFEURS LICENSE AND THEN THEY TAKE THEIR VAN THROUGH THE SAME.
>> THERE'S A BIG COST TO THIS, TO THE CITY AND WE'RE DOING THIS AS A FAVORITE TO AN INDUSTRY.
>> I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT, I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT I SPOKE TO OTHER TAXICAB COMPANIES, EVEN THE ONE WHO CAN AFFORD TO BUY THE FLEET.
>> BUT HE WAS FOR IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
BUT WE'VE TRIED TO EXPEDITE THIS BECAUSE WE DID HAVE ONE COMPANY THAT WAS GOING TO LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO FUNCTION OR WHATEVER BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CABS IN THAT QUERY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> [OVERLAPPING] YES. NO, IT'S FINE.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. IN EFFECT, A SMALL GROUP OF EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENTS NEED TO GET PLACES.
>> YEAH. I MEAN, MY OPINION IS THAT WE SHOULD ELIMINATE
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THIS ORDINANCE ALL TOGETHER AND DEREGULATE THIS, BUT IF THAT COMES TO US IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN TALK TO A LOT OF WOMEN.>> I'M NOT GOING TO TOUCH THIS UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS ME TO TOUCH IT.
>> WELL, I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN ANOTHER TAXICAB COMPANY, ONE MORE CHANGES.
NOW THEY WANT PARTICULAR CHANGES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
HOW OLD IS THE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE REQUIRE [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WAS UPDATED LAST YEAR, I THINK. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NOT UPDATED, IT WAS JUST UPDATED WITH A METERED RATE OR SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> [INAUDIBLE] THEY ASKED FOR.
>> I HAVE AN ITEM ON TODAY'S AGENDA FOR LINE 3.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND LET'S LET THESE CHANGES THAT COUNCIL ONE OF THOSE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'LL LOOK AT THE OTHER FUTURE CHANGES, POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE ON THAT.
>> IT'S JUST THAT, I JUST SEE NO PUBLIC PURPOSE IN THIS, BUT THAT'S.
>> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD IS ABOUT THE PORT AGREEMENT WITH THE PARKING IS A DON QUESTION.
WHY DOES THAT AGREEMENT HAVE THE 30-DAY [OVERLAPPING]
>> CANCELLATION, YEAH. THANK YOU, DAVID.
>> WE PUT 30 DAY OUT IN ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS.
>> WHEN WE BASE OUR BUDGETS ON THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SEE? BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS BASED ON THAT REVENUE STREAM.
WHAT HAPPENS IF WE PASS OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR AND IN 30 DAYS INTO OUR BUDGET, THEY CANCEL THAT? [LAUGHTER].
>> THAT'S MY CALL. WHY WOULD WE WANT THAT IN THERE WHEN WE [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE DON'T NECESSARILY WANT [INAUDIBLE] THERE.
SOMETHING WE NORMALLY PUT IN CONTRACTS, WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THE STEAMSHIP STANDARD THAT WE PUT ON OTHER PEOPLE, WHICH IS FINE.
IF THEY WISH TO CANCEL IT, I THOUGHT WAS THEY CAN COME TO COUNCIL AND EXPLAIN WHY.
>> WELL, THEY DON'T REALLY NEED TO.
>> THEY DO BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE AN MOU.
>> THE MOU HAS A 30-DAY CANCELLATION IN THERE.
>> IF THEY WANT TO CANCEL IT, THEY JUST WRITE US A LETTER AND THEY'RE DONE WITH IT. THEY DON'T NEED TO COME TO US.
>> YOU CONTACT THEM AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP REGARDING YOUR CANCELLATIONS THIS MOU.
>> THEY COULD SAY, OKAY, WE MIGHT BE THERE, WE MIGHT NOT.
>> IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM THE CANCELLATION NOTICE IN OUR MOU WITH THE LIBRARY?
>> NO, I THINK WE DID PUT A CANCELLATION NOTE ON THE LIBRARY.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D DO THAT EITHER.
>> I MEAN, MY ANSWER IS THE SAME.
>> WE ARE BASING REVENUE PROJECTIONS ON THESE CONTRACTS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T HAVE OUR CONTRACTS MIRROR OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS.
>> THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY FINANCIALLY SOUND TO ME.
>> OF COURSE, THIS IS NOT A REVENUE GENERATOR NECESSARILY.
[OVERLAPPING] I'M JUST GETTING READY TO SAY THAT THE MOTORCYCLE RALLY, THEY GOT THE 30S.
>> YEAH, THAT DOESN'T GENERATE ANY REVENUE FOR THE CITY DIRECTLY THAT WE BASE OUR BUDGET ON.
>> SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I HEARD THAT WE ALREADY [INAUDIBLE].
>> BASED ON OUR SALES TAX ON IT, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
BUT YEAH, I'VE SEEN IT IN ALL THAT, BUT WE COULD REVIEW ALL THESE.
I THINK THE LIBRARY IS 30 DAYS ALSO.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE PORTS WANTED IN THERE OR THAT'S A NORMAL PRACTICE?
>> WE PARENTED BACK TO 30 DAYS.
HONESTLY, I HAVE TO HAVE SOME GOOD FAITH IN PEOPLE AND WE HOPE THAT THEY HAVE GOOD FAITH OPERATING WITH US. OH, YES.
>> ALL RIGHT, I AM NOT A CORDITE, I'M AN OPTIMISTIC GUY.
>> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT, JOHN OR?
>> I DON'T HAVE AN ITEM. I JUST TRIED TO MAKE NOTES.
I NEED BRIAN TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT PUBLIC PURPOSE IS.
>> WE DON'T REGULATE MOST OF THE CAR-SHARING SERVICES IN GALVESTON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT PUBLIC PURPOSE WE SERVE.
WHAT BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS OF GALVESTON GET OUT OF US INSPECTING ONE PARTICULAR NARROW SLIVER OF VEHICLES THAT PROVIDE A SERVICE IN GALVESTON.
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I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T INSPECT SCHOOL BUSES. I DON'T INSPECT.TYPICALLY WHEN WE EXTEND TAX DOLLARS, THERE IS A PUBLIC PURPOSE.
I JUST DON'T SEE WHY WE DO THAT.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE CHARGE THESE PEOPLE.
WE DON'T CHARGE THEM ENOUGH, BUT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE CHARGE THEM A FEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WANT THIS AND MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY.
BUT IN A WORLD WHERE THEY'RE COMPETING AGAINST SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT INSPECTED, HAS NO LIMITS ON THEIR FEES, CAN DRIVE WHATEVER THEY WANT, WHENEVER THEY WANT, HOWEVER THEY WANT, WHY AM I FORCING MYSELF ON THIS ONE LITTLE INDUSTRY HERE AND IT'S EXTENDING TAX DOLLARS? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY PUBLIC PURPOSE.
>> WHAT CONCERNS ME IS UBER AND LYFT.
>> THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAID WE CANNOT PUT IN REGULATIONS ON UBER AND LYFT.
THEY'RE COMPETING WITH THESE TAXICABS.
>> I JUST THINK IN TODAY'S DYNAMIC WORLD, I JUST DON'T SEE A PUBLIC PURPOSE TO US BEING INVOLVED IN THAT.
>> DAVID FINKLEY. DAVID, ANY ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? YOU'RE ON MUTE, DAVID.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO ITEM 11, ASK BELOW SAW REALM.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET CONNECTED WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM COUNCIL WAS PRESENT AND I DID GET CONFIRMATION AGREED TO AND ECONOMIC PART OF THE CONTRACT.
I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALIZE THAT WITHIN THE CONTRACT AND ASK MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO INSERT THAT SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE.
I'VE ALREADY SENT HIM SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO HAVE THEM PERFORM AN ECONOMIC STUDY BASED UPON THE 2025 LUNGS FOR A RALLY AND SUBMIT THE REPORT TO US NO LATER THAN MAY 31ST, WHICH IS A SIMILAR TIME FRAME IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY, MAY 31ST, 2026, AND THEN ALSO MAKE SURE TO STIPULATE IN THERE THAT THE COST OF THIS STUDY WOULD BE BORNE BY LSR, WHICH THEY AGREED TO.
I'VE ALREADY ASSUMED THAT LANGUAGE OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT. I LIKE IT. THANKS.
>> ALSO IN REFERENCE TO THE CANCELLATION IS ACTUALLY 120 DAYS. IF THEY HAVE.
>> THE CITY MANAGER CAN CANCEL THE LONE STAR RALLY AT ANY TIME EVEN DURING THE EVENT.
>> WE'RE ALMOST TO LUNCHTIME AND I'M GETTING READY TO LEARN.
>> GOOD THING WE'RE STILL ON THIS FIRST ITEM.
>> WELL, I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION I NEED TO ANSWER, 11 M AS IN MARY, PLEASE.
RYAN. ROBB PROBABLY COME ON UP, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WE'RE GIVING AN ADDITIONAL SIX MONTHS.
>> IF THAT INDIVIDUAL NEEDS MORE TIME, CAN WE EXTEND THAT AGAIN?
>> I'VE DONE THIS FOR THREE MONTHS, INCREMENTS ARE NEVER GONE BEYOND THREE MONTHS.
I JUST WENT AHEAD AND DID IT FOR SIX MONTHS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WHERE WE CAN EXTEND IT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS IF NEEDED AT THAT TIME.
>> THAT IS GOOD AND OUR WELL-WISHES GO OUT TO THIS FIREFIGHTER, HIS FAMILY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD A REQUEST FOR FIVE-MINUTE BREAK HERE.
>> EVEN A TRAIN STOPS FOR WATER EVERY NOW AND THEN.
>> I KNOW. [LAUGHTER] NOW WE NEED TO STAY WITH THIS.
>> 11:15 WE WILL BE BACK AND RECONVENE. THANK YOU.
[LAUGHTER] WE ARE NOW RECONVENED.
IT IS 11:16 I THINK AND WE'RE RECONVENED HERE.
[3.J. Report Of City Council's Park Board Representative (Bouvier/Brown - 10 Minutes)]
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3J, PLEASE, MA'AM.>> OKAY. ITEM 3J, REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL'S PARK BOARD REPRESENTATIVE.
>> HELLO. ON THE 22ND OF THIS MONTH, WE HAD A PARK BOARD MEETING AND THE FUNNY THING WAS THEY HIGHLIGHTED A SPOTLIGHT OF AN EMPLOYEE NAMED JEFF MULLINS.
WHEN I READ IT I WAS LIKE, THERE'S A GUY NAMED JEFF MULLINS.
I DIDN'T PUT IT TOGETHER BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW JEFF BY HIS REAL NAME.
I KNOW HIM BY HIS NICKNAME AND I'VE KNOWN
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HIM FOR PROBABLY 6/7 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE ISLAND AND I'VE WATCHED HIM GROW THROUGH THE SYSTEM OF THE PARK WORD AND HE STARTED OFF AS A TEMPORARY LIFEGUARD, AND MADE HIS WAY UP THROUGH AND NOW HE IS A PEACE OFFICER FOR THEM.KUDOS TO JEFF AND WATCHING HOW THEY PROMOTE FROM WITHIN IS A GREAT THING.
THE NEXT THING THAT WE DID WAS THE PRESENTATION OF THE UNAUDITED FISCAL YEAR FOR 2023 MAY FINANCIAL STATEMENT BY BRYSON.
THERE WAS A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
OTHER THAN THAT IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE WAVE FINER SIGNS.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THEY ARE REDESIGNING SOME SIGNS AROUND GALVESTON.
THEY'VE DIVIDED IT OUT INTO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
YOU'VE GOT WESTIN HISTORICAL, DOWNTOWN, EASTERN HARBOR SIDE, AND SEAWALL.
WITH THESE DISTRICTS, THEY'VE TAKEN THESE SIGNS AND THEY'VE INCORPORATED PARTS OF GALVESTON INTO THEM, LIKE THE ARCHITECTURAL TOP OF THIS SIGN.
IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE AROUND TOWN AND THEN ALSO THIS WEBBING HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN.
THEN THEY ALSO ARE DOING STUFF ON THE BACK OF THE SIGN.
INSTEAD OF JUST SEEING A REGULAR SIGN.
>> YOU'RE ALSO REDUCING SIGN CLUTTER. THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A LOT.
>> YES. THEY ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT IS THERE AND REPLACE THEM WITH THESE AND SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO END UP SEEING ARE SIGNS LIKE THIS.
YOU HAVE THE DISTRICT THAT THEY CALL IT OUT, AND THEN DESTINATION AREAS, AND THEN GALVESTON.
THIS IS SOME OF THE BACKS OF THE SIGNS THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE CUT OUT OF LIKE ALUMINUM AND PUT ON THERE AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE LIKE AN APPLICANT OR A STICKER TYPE THING LIKE THIS.
THEN KIMBERLY DANACE, MET WITH THE TEXAS GENERAL LAND OFFICE IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, ALONG WITH THE PARK BOARDS ATTORNEY JIM BRYAN, AND THEN THE STATE LEGISLATOR ADVOCATE RYAN BONIN.
THE PARK BOARD WAS WELL RECEIVED, HAD GREAT DIALOGUE WITH THE GOL AND TALKED ABOUT THE KEPPRA 11,12, AND ALSO KEPPRA 13.
THEN VINCE MORPHOUS DID A RECAP ON THE 36 ANNUAL SAND CASTLE EVENTS AUGUST 12TH.
THERE WAS 3,883 CARS AT THIS EVENT ON SATURDAY.
THE WEATHER WAS PEOPLE WERE ANTICIPATING BAD WEATHER, WHICH THERE WAS NO BAD WEATHER AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WHY THE WEST CARS ON THAT DAY.
THERE WERE FOUR FOOD VENDORS AT THE EVENT.
THE REVENUE OF THE EVENT WAS $70,360.
KIMBERLY DANACE ALSO GAVE US AN UPDATE ON THE JOINT MEETING DELIVERABLES, THE BEACH PATROL TEMPORARY FACILITIES.
THEY WENT AHEAD AND THEY PURCHASED BOTH OF THE CUSTOM TRAILERS THROUGH BUY BOARD AND THEY'RE GOING OUT TO BID FOR THE OTHER TRAILERS BECAUSE OF A COST AS X AMOUNT AND THEY HAVE TO DO A COMPETITIVE BID ON THOSE.
THE OFFICE TRAILERS AND THE BATHROOM TRAILERS ARE GOING TO GO OUT FOR FORBID.
THEY'D BEEN TALKING WITH THE CITY.
THEY'RE GOING TO DO QUARTERLY REPORTS, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT MAYBE A SEMIANNUAL TRANSFER INSTEAD OF THE QUARTERLY TRANSFER AND THEY'RE STILL TALKS ABOUT THAT.
THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT IS ONGOING.
I THINK I MIGHT HAVE SOME NOTES ON SOME OF THIS TOO IN HERE.
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LET'S SEE HERE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT CREATING A TASK FORCE ALONG WITH COUNCILMAN FOR FRANKLY, AND THEY WANTED TO GET THIS PUT TOGETHER.
THE OTHER ONE WAS SAN LOUIS PAST TRASH COLLECTIONS.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE TRASH.
MEANWHILE, THEY ARE HAVING THE NON-PROFITS GET TOGETHER AND COLLECT THE TRASH, AND THEN THEY'LL GO OUT THERE WITH THEIR TRUCKS AND PICK THE TRASH UP.
THE COUNTY IS WORKING WITH THEM, WHETHER THE COUNTY WILL PICK IT UP OR WHETHER THE PARK WE'LL PICK IT UP AND THEN HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT.
THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT CLOSELY AND WE KNOW THAT'S A SORE SUBJECT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ON THAT.
>> I KNOW, BUT EVEN COUNTY COMMISSIONER JOE GIUSTI STOOD UP AT THE WEST GALVESTON PROPERTY OWNERS MEETING SAYING THAT THEY DO UNDERSTAND NOW THAT IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
>> THEN THERE WAS ON THE STRS, BRYSON WENT TO TWO MEETINGS TO TALK TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE.
ONE WAS STROKE AND THE OTHER ONE WAS, I BELIEVE IT'S AT SEA AND SAND OR SAND AND SEA [OVERLAPPING].
>> AT SAND AND SEA WAS RESECTED REALLY WELL AT BOTH OF THEM ANSWERED EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS.
THEY LEFT PRETTY HAPPY AND THEY INVITED THEM BACK FOR SOME MORE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS BECAUSE ONE OF THE MEETINGS WAS VERY SMALL AND THEY THINK THEY CAN GET MORE PARTICIPATION IN THAT, SO THAT WAS A GOOD THING FOR THAT.
THEN THE FINAL AGENDA ITEM WAS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF EXPLORATION OF ADDITIONAL FINANCE TRANSFER TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
THE PARK BOARD, AS VISITATIONS TO THE ISLAND HAVE HIT RECORD HIGHS, THE FINANCIAL NEEDS TO THE CITY HAVE INCREASED.
IN RECOGNITION OF THIS KNEE, THE BALANCE OF TOURISM AND THE RESIDENT NEEDS THE EXPLORATION OF ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL TRANSFERS TO CITY SHOULD BE EXPLORED.
AS THE TRUSTEES WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH REVENUES THAT THE PARK BOARD IS GENERATING THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THE CITY TO OFFSET SOME OF THESE COSTS THAT THE TOURISTS ARE CREATING.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD THING.
IT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY OTHER REVENUE THAT THE CITY IS GETTING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY GREAT.
THAT WAS IT AND THEN WE ADJOURN THE MEETING.
>> THANK YOU, MIKE. APPRECIATE THAT.
WE ARE GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL BOUVIER?
>> VERY GOOD. ITEM 3K, PLEASE.
[3.K. Report Of City Council's Wharves Board Representative (Brown - 10 Minutes)]
>> 3K, REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S DWARVES BOARD REPRESENTATIVE.
>> I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A REPORT FROM THE PORT DWARVES BOARD AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, OF COURSE, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
COMING UP HERE, WE TALKED ABOUT AT OUR LAST MEETING HAVING MORE INPUT FROM THE PORT AND THEIR ACTIVITIES, WHICH YOU'LL BE SEEING COUNCIL, YOU'LL BE GETTING MONTHLY THE REPORT ON ALL THE DETAILS OF THE FINANCES OF THE INACTIVITY OF THE PORT.
IT WAS SENT OUT TO YOU ABOUT TWO OR THREE DAYS AGO.
I THINK YOU GOT THE FIRST EPISODE OF THAT COMING UP FOR THIS MEETING.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH THE PORT AND THE PORT BOARD AND JUST FOR A SIDE NOTE, WE'RE GOING TO BE SCHEDULING AT SOME POINT A JOINT MEETING WITH THE ISD'S BOARD ALSO.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MONTHLY UPDATES FROM THE PORT BOARD AND THE PORT IS MIKE HAS GIVEN AND I'LL BE GIVING FOR THE PORT ON OUR AGENDAS EACH MONTH AND ITEMS THAT INVOLVE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND SO FORTH.
THE PORT WILL BE BRINGING BACK MORE AND MORE ITEMS FOR INPUT FROM COUNCIL AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND MAKING DECISIONS ON THOSE ITEMS THERE AT THE PORT.
ALSO, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I WOULD JUST MENTION TO COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR PORT BOARD? FEEL FREE TO GET WITH MIKE AS IS THE LIAISON.
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IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PORT, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GET WITH ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.WE HAD SOME ACTIVITY HELD ON AUGUST 22 MEETING, AT THE DWARVES BOARD MEETING.
I WANT TO GO OVER THREE ITEMS THAT I THINK PROBABLY OF INTEREST TO COUNSEL.
YOU SAW IN THE PAPER THAT THERE WAS A HEADLINE THAT THE DWARVES BOARD COULD HAVE STOPPED TO PIER 16.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY EVEN REPORTED IT THAT WAY.
HAD THE HEADLINE THAT WAY THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT THE DWARVES BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO CONTINUE ON LOOKING FURTHER AT PIER 16.
WE DEFERRED THE ITEM AND THE ONLY REASON THE ITEM WAS DEFERRED THAT WE WANT AND WE DEFERRED ITEM WE FELT THE ITEM WAS PREMATURE TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
WE DEFERRED IT SO THAT WE COULD GET MORE DEFINITE INFORMATION.
THERE WILL BE NO MORE EXPENDITURES FUNDS TO GET THAT INFORMATION, BUT THEY WILL BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION CONCERNING THE MSC CONTRACT, CONCERNING WHAT TYPE CHANGES AND PUT THE DESIGN IF WE MOVE TOWARDS A NEW CRUISE TERMINAL AT 16 AND THE FUNDING.
WHEN I TALKED TO THE PORT ON THIS, MY INPUT WAS MY MAIN ISSUE IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW A SCHEDULE OF HOW THESE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED AND WHAT THE DWARVES BOARD DISCUSSED IS THAT IN THIS USE PIER 16 IS AN EXAMPLE.
THEY WILL DISCUSS THE POSSIBLE NEED TO DO THIS.
SOME OF THE DETAILS POSSIBLY OF THE MSC CONTRACT.
THEY WILL DISCUSS FUNDING MECHANISMS AND SO FORTH.
ALL OF THE ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL COME BACK TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF CRUISE TERMINAL WE ESTABLISH.
ONCE THE PORT FIELDS THAT THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE THAT WORK WITH THE CITY AND WORKING AT A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THIS.
THEY WILL THEN BRING THAT FUNDING MECHANISM ONCE IT'S DETERMINED HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND PUT THE FUNDING AMOUNT WOULD BE THEY'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL, GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL FOR THAT.
THEN THE DWARVES BOARD THEN WOULD START LOOKING AT SIGNING CONTRACTS FOR THE CONTRACTS WITH MSC FOR THE VENDORS, FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO PROVIDING THAT FOR PIER 16.
>> PLEASE TAKE THE TIMELINE ON THAT IS?
I'M SAY WHAT IT IS IN THAT DAVID.
I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT PIER 16 RIGHT NOW.
IT IS IN OUR MASTER PLAN AT THE PORT TO HAVE A CRUISE TERMINAL AT PIER 16.
IT WAS TO TAKE PLACE AROUND 2030.
THE REASON WAS PUT INTO THE MASTER PLAN FOR THAT IS THAT THE LEASE FOR DOUMANI AT PIER 16 WAS GOING TO RUN TO 2030, SO THE THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH THAT CONSIDERATION.
SHORTLY AFTER IT WAS APPROVED, DOUMANI SAID, WE WANT OUT OF OUR LEASE AND WE WANT TO LEAVE IT HERE IN 2024.
DOUMANI CAME TO THE PORT, THEY SHORTEN THEIR LEASE AND AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME, MSC IN NORWEGIAN APPROACH TO PORT AND SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH THE PORT ABOUT ANOTHER CRUISE TERMINAL.
THAT'S WHY THE TIMELINE WAS MOVED UP BECAUSE OF THE ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED.
WHERE IT'S STILL A LITTLE WAYS ON THIS DAVID, THE MSC CONTRACT, WE'VE GOTTEN A NORWEGIAN INVOLVED WITH THAT TOO.
YOU GOT TO CRUISE LINES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS NEGOTIATION.
THAT'S A BACK-AND-FORTH THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE WHILE TO DO THAT.
THE FUNDING MECHANISM OF DETERMINING HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO NEED AND WHAT TYPE OF DESIGN AT PIERS 16 FOR THE CRUISE TERMINAL.
STILL NOT BEEN WAITING BY THE DWARVES BOARD? IF I WAS GUESSING, I WOULD THINK IT'S AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AWAY OR MORE, BUT IT COULD BE EVEN MORE THAN THAT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON PIER 16.
THE ITEM NOW IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT THE WAY THAT IT WAS REPORTED THAT WE WERE STOPPING OUR MOVEMENT AT PIER 16, AND WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET TO EVEN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON PIER 16.
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ANY QUESTIONS? YES, MA'AM.>> WOW, I HAVE A QUESTION ON PIER 16.
>> LET ME I'LL MOVE THROUGH THE OTHERS THEN AND THIS MAY ANSWER.
THERE WAS QUESTIONS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE LIABILITY ISSUE AND OUR LSM TODAY.
THE PORT HAS HIRED A NEW AUDITING FIRM.
THE PORT WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT DOING INTERNAL AUDITS THERE AT THE PORT AND LOOK AT SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE PORTS OPERATION TO SEE ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF THOSE AND IF THEY ARE MEETING FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES AND HOW THEY'RE OPERATING AND LOCAL AND CITY GUIDELINES ON HOW THEY'RE OPERATING, WHAT THE WARS BOARD DECIDED TO DO IS TO PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE WILL BE DELINEATING THOSE AREAS OF THE PORT THAT WE WANT TO DO AN INTERNAL AUDIT ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MOVING ALONG AND OPERATING EFFICIENTLY AND ACCORDING TO LAW.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE CURRENT AUDITOR THAT WE HAVE AT THE PORT, WHICH IS FOUR-BITS, I THINK IS THE NEW AUDITOR THERE.
THEY'VE OFFERED TO DO THAT IF WE WOULD LIKE, OR THE PORT MAY ELECT TO BRING IN AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY TO DO THAT.
I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT PROBABLY MOST OF THE TIME, THE CURRENT AUDITOR OF AN ORGANIZATION DOES THE INTERNAL AUDITS, BUT WE MAY ELECT TO HAVE ANOTHER AUDITOR COME IN AND DO THAT FOR THE PORT ON THAT.
IN THE LAST ITEM, I WOULD MENTION IS USS TEXAS.
IT'S A TWOFOLD PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
THE USS TEXAS, THE PORT THEY HAVE APPROACHED THE PORT WANTING TO BE AT PURE 19 THERE.
THE LAND THAT THEY WOULD BE BUTTING UP AGAINST THERE AND DOCKING IN FRONT OF IS A LONG-TERM LEASE NOW HELD BY THE LANDRY'S CORPORATION.
THE PORT SAID THE FIRST THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE TEXAS GROUP TO DO IS TO GET WITH A LANDRY'S CORPORATION AND TO WORK OUT DETAILS AND GET APPROVAL FOR THEM BEING RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THEIR LAND.
THE LANDRY'S DON'T CONTROL THAT DOT THE PORT DOES.
BUT WE FELT IT WAS MORE THAN APPROPRIATE SINCE THEY CONTROLLED THE DRY LAND THERE, THAT WE HAVE THEM HAVE A RAPPORT WITH THE USS TEXAS AND BE IN AGREEMENT OF HAVING THE SHIP THERE.
THEY ARE FINALIZING THEIR AGREEMENT WITH THE LANDRY'S CORPORATION.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'VE SIGNED IT YET, BUT THEY PRETTY WELL GOT THAT FINALIZED.
THAT LANDRY'S COOPERATION IS VERY OPEN TO HAVE THEM THERE.
THEY HAVE NOW APPROACHED THE BOARDS BOARD, THE PORT ON GETTING OUR APPROVAL THERE.
THE PORT HAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
THE PORT THAT FINANCES AND HOW THAT WOULD BE MANAGED IN THE FINANCIAL RETURN TO THE PORT ON HAVING THAT CRUISE SHIP THERE THAT USS TEXAS THERE IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED.
THAT IS IN THE INFANCY STAGE NOW AT THE PORT, WE PROBABLY AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND I'LL BRING IT TO COUNSEL TO YOU AT THAT TIME ON THE USS TEXAS.
>> HEAR 19, IS THAT WHERE THE MUSEUM THE RIG IS?
>> IN CONVERSATIONS NOW AND LANDRY'S I THINK HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THE STATUS IS THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED.
THERE HAVE BEEN TALKS ABOUT MOVING THEM, THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT LEAVING THEM AS IS AND THEY COULD STILL WORK WITH THE TEXAS IN THAT SPOT.
THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT HAVING A MUSEUM ON DRY LAND RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE OIL RIG MUSEUM.
THOSE DETERMINATIONS HAVEN'T BEEN HANDLED THIS YEAR ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. DAVID?
>> THERE YOU MADE MENTION OF THE FINANCIAL AUDITS ENTRANCE IN FLORIDA, AND THEN ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AVAILABILITY TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY AUDITOR BROUGHT IN.
WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AS COUNSEL IN ORDER TO ACCLIMATE?
>> WELL, THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, DAVID, IS TO DELINEATE AT THE WATER FORWARD LEVEL WHAT AUDITS THAT WE WANT TO PERFORM, WHAT DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON AT THIS POINT,
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AND THEN WE'LL MAKE DECISIONS GOING FROM THERE.NOW WE HAVE OUR COUNTY WE HAVE OUR AUDITORS COMING UP IS OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR HIS AUDIT PLAN AND HOW THAT INTERFACES IS WE COULD DISCUSS AT THAT TIME.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL MAKING DETERMINATION AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT, DAVID.
>> WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY WITH THE BOND HAS ONLY TO DO WITH PAIRED 25.
>> COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT?
>> I DON'T HAVE THE DATES COMPLETELY CORRECT ON THIS, POSSIBLY, BUT CRUISE TERMINAL 25 IS NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS FOR A LONG TIME, UNRELATED TO A NEW SHIP COMING IN THEIR ROOF.
THERE WAS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL WANTS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CHANGES AT CRUISE TERMINAL 25 THEY FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THERE SO THE PORT WAS WORKING AT MAKING CHANGES ANYWAY.
THEN THE CARNIVAL CRUISE LINE CAME WITH JUBILEE AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS JUBILEE READY AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE DECEMBER 23RD OF 23 THAT WE COULD BRING THAT JUBILEE IN HERE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT BUT TO DO THAT CRUISE TERMINAL 25 NEEDS TO BE CHANGED IN A MANNER THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A SHIP OF THAT SIZE.
THE PORT THEN PUT TOGETHER A PLAN TO NOT ONLY MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED DOWN THERE BUT TO ALSO ACCOMMODATE THE JUBILEE AS IT COMES IN.
THAT'S WHAT'S REFLECTED IN THIS BOND PROPOSAL OF 53 OR $54 MILLION.
IN THAT BOND PROPOSAL, AS YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOTICED, THERE IS A 13 MILLION.
IT CAN'T EXCEED 13 MILLION OF PAYBACK TO THE PORT.
THE PORT HAS BEEN PAYING OUT OF THEIR RESERVE FUNDS FOR CONSTRUCTION ITEMS IS THEY'VE GONE ALONG HERE.
IF THAT BOND IS APPROVED, THEN THEY WILL PAY BACK THEMSELVES THAT MONEY THAT HAS BEEN SPENT, BUT THEY CAN'T PAY BACK MORE THAN $13 MILLION AT THIS POINT ACCORDING TO THE BOND GUIDELINES.
NOW, IF THE COURT DECIDES IN THE WARS BOARD DECIDES THAT THERE IS A NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CRUISE TERMINAL 4 AT PURE 16 THAN THE TOTAL, THE PORT WOULD PROBABLY COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL FOR ANOTHER BOND.
THE BOND, THE COUNSEL BARREN WALLACE, THAT IS THERE HAS ALREADY GIVEN THE PORT ADVICE THAT WITH THEIR REVENUE STREAM AND HOW THE BOND MARKET IS, THEY COULD SUPPORT VERY EASILY $150 MILLION OF BONDS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PORT WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT VERY CLOSELY.
WARS BOARD YET NOT HAVING DETAILS BEFORE WE EVEN MOVE FORWARD WITH CRUISE TERMINAL 4 AT PURE 16.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE DO THAT WITH THE FIRST THING IS THEY'D COME BACK HERE, VISIT WITH STAFF, WORK OUT THE DETAILS, AND COME TO COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THAT.
>> MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT CARNIVAL IS BRINGING A PREMIER SHIP OUT IN GALVESTON.
THIS IS A VERY KEY ESSENTIAL PART OF APPROVING ON THE BOMB WHICH I SUPPORT.
I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK IT'S AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE BOATS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN LAUNCHED THROUGH FLORIDA FIRST.
THEN WE GET SECOND-HAND, WHERE IN THIS CASE, THEY EVEN PUT A TEXAS SYMBOL ON THE FRONT OF THE BOAT, THAT THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT A PREMIER BOAT COMES THROUGH GALVESTON, WHICH IS SUCH AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU'RE A CRUISER, NORWEGIAN, MSC, ROYAL CARIBBEAN, AND CARNIVAL WANT TO BRING IN THEIR LARGEST SHIFTS, WHICH ARE SOME OF THE LARGEST SHIPS IN THE WORLD ON OCEAN RIGHT NOW.
THERE COULD BE A TIME VERY EASILY COMING UP SHORTLY.
ON ONE DAY, YOU'LL HAVE THREE OF THE LARGEST SHIPS IN THE WORLD SITTING OUT THERE AT THE PORT.
>> BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON TODAY IS THE IMPORTANCE OF GETTING
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THIS BOND APPROVED BECAUSE OF THE KEY CRITICAL THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH PEER 25 AND PEER 25 ALONE.>> THAT IS CORRECT. ONE LAST THING, I'M SORRY, JOHN.
I DON'T WANT TO TURN TO BLIND ON A DEAF EAR TO CARGO ON THE WEST END.
THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE ON THE FUNDING FOR PURE 16 AND A FOURTH CRUISE TERMINAL.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THAT BOND PROPOSAL FOR THE WESTEND RIGHT NOW AND IT HAS NOT BEEN ANNOUNCED AND SO FORTH AND I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS.
THE PORT HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY FOR A GRANT FOR MONIES THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE WESTEND FOR IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE.
I UNDERSTAND IN THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER, IT WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT AND THAT MONEY WILL FLOW TO THE WESTEND TO SPECIFICALLY START IMPROVING THE WESTED FOR CARGO.
>> FOR CARGO. I'VE WATCHED THE BOARD MEETING YESTERDAY.
CARGO IS UP EXCEPT FOR GRAIN AND SOMETHING BY MANY IN MOST CASES, CARGO IS UP IN THE 30%.
I WISH I HAD THE SHEET WITH ME WHICH I DON'T.
>> I WILL SEND IT TO YOU IN THAT MATERIAL THAT I SENT, BUT CARGO IS UP.
THE KEY IN THIS WARS BOARD WANTS TO MAINTAIN DIVERSIFICATION AT THE PORT.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT DIVERSIFICATION SO THAT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER PANDEMIC OR WHATEVER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WEATHER THE STORM PROPERLY OVER THERE. I'M SORRY.
>> I ECHO MARY'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE JUBILEE AND CARNIVAL AND IN THE CRUISE SHIPS HERE.
I THINK THIS IS SUPER EXCITING.
THE CRUISE BUSINESS DONE A LOT OF GOOD FOR THE PORT CITY, GALVESTON.
A MORE CONCERN ABOUT THIS BOND.
IS THE TIMELINE OF THIS BOND CRITICAL? WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THIS BOND? IS IT SIGNIFICANT TO THE BOARD?
>> SAY THAT AGAIN, THE LAST STATEMENT.
HOW SIGNIFICANT IS IT TO THE BOARD? OF COURSE THIS CONSTRUCTION IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR A WHILE.
WE'VE HEARD THAT THAT PORT HAS THE MONEY TO DO THE PROJECT, BUT IT WILL PUT THE BOARD IN A DIFFICULT POSITION, POSSIBLY, IF THEY DON'T GET THE BOND.
CAN YOU JUST ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNED WAY?
>> I CAN. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THAT THE TIMING IS CRUCIAL ON THIS.
NOW, THAT IS CRUCIAL IF THE FRAME OF MIND THAT WE WILL HAVE THE FUNDING TO FINISH THE PROJECT AT CRUISE TERMINAL 25 AND PAYBACK THE PORT FOR THE FUNDS THAT THEY HAVE USED.
IF THE PORT DOES NOT GET THIS BOND AND I'M STEPPING OUT THERE BY THE WAY I SEE IT, IS THAT THEY'LL PROBABLY EXHAUSTED ALL THE RESERVE FUNDS.
THEY WILL JUST DRAIN THEM RESERVES FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TAKEN CARE OF.
I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE TOTAL AMOUNT OF RESERVE FUNDS TO COVER THE TOTAL COST ON THIS.
>> ALSO, I THINK, IT WOULD SEND A MESSAGE TO THE CRUISE LINES, COULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL FUTURE ON CRUISE LINES COMING IN HERE.
I THINK IT COULD BE AN OVERALL DIVENTING EFFECT.
>> AGAIN, I SUPPORT THE BOND IN GENERAL.
I SUPPORT CONSTRUCTION TO THIS TERMINAL, OF THE RENOVATION ON THIS TERMINAL, I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE CRUISE BUSINESS. WE GET HERE IN ADVANCE.
I'M CONCERNED WITH THIS LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED YESTERDAY.
I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR GLENN ABOUT THAT.
THOSE ARE JUST MY CONCERNS RIGHT NOW.
I FULLY EXPECT THAT THE COURT WILL GET THIS MONEY.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE TIMING OF IT.
I WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE CLEARER PICTURE ON THE TIMING OF IT.
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AS LONG AS I'M ON WARDS BOARD AND WARDS BOARD IS THE WAY THEIR STRUCTURE.YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS PUSH AT THE END THAT YOU'VE SEEN NOW.
YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
IT'S DEFINITELY NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
WE'RE BEING PUT IN A POOR POSITION RIGHT NOW.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? VERY GOOD.
[3.B. Discussion Of City Audit Plan For 2023 - 2024 (G. Bulgherini - 20 Min)]
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3B.>> 3B DISCUSSION OF CITY AUDIT PLAN FOR 2023-2024.
>> COME ON UP, GLENN AND HAVE A SEAT, OUR CITY ENTRE GLENN BULGURY.
COUNCIL FIVE WEEKS AGO, YOU WERE SENT MR. BULGARY'S NEEDS AUDIT PLAN.
AND WE PURPOSELY DID THAT IN TALKING TO GLENN SO THAT IT WOULD GIVE YOU TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT PLAN AND UNDERSTAND IT PROPERLY SO WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH.
THE AUDIT PLAN IS BEFORE US TODAY TO DISCUSS THE AUDIT PLAN FOR 2024 FOR GLEN.
WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL IN 2014, THE AUDIT PLAN IN THE CITY AUDITOR, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH IN DISARRAY, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE GOING TO THE AUDITOR AND JUST STARTED REQUESTING ALL TYPES OF AUDITS NEVER CAME THROUGH COUNCIL AND ALL TYPES OF THINGS ARE BEING DONE.
GLENN HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLY GOOD ABOUT RESTRUCTURING HIS APPROACH AND WORKING WITH COUNCIL AND HE DOES NOT ASSUME ANY AUDIT RESPONSIBILITIES UNLESS THEY'RE DIRECTED BY COUNSEL.
THIS AUDIT PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER.
SOME OF THIS AUDIT PLAN IS LEFTOVER FROM THIS YEAR'S AUDIT PLAN THAT HE HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GET TO.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS.
ONCE WE DISCUSS IT TODAY, IT'LL BE ON THE NOTE, THE SEPTEMBER 14TH OR POSSIBLY THE SEPTEMBER 21ST AGENDA FOR COUNSEL.
[BACKGROUND] WHEN? YES, MA'AM.
>> JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THIS IS THE AUDIT PLAN, PHYSICAL YEAR IN 2024?
>> I THINK WE RECEIVED THAT FROM KERRY IN JULY.
PROBABLY WEEKS AGO APPROXIMATELY. YES, SIR.
I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE.
IT WASN'T ATTACHED TO OUR PACKET.
>> NO, SIR IT WASN'T. [OVERLAPPING]
>> COULD YOU PRINT IT OFF OR WOULD IT TELL ME? I WAS LOOKING FOR THE SAME THING.
I'M NOT WITH MY CITY FUN AT HOME.
>> DID YOU WANT TO GO OVER THAT JUST BRIEFLY.
DON'T NEED NECESSARILY GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF IT, GLENN.
>> MAY TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME TO GO THROUGH IT IN THE DETAILS.
>> I'M SO HAPPY I SCHEDULED AN EXERCISE CLASS AT 1:15.
I DON T KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING.
>> GLENN, LET ME SAY THIS, PROBABLY MOST OF THE INPUT ON THIS AUDIT PLAN IS GOING TO BE QUESTIONED FROM COUNCIL, SO FEEL FREE TO JUST BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> WELL, WE'RE DOING OUR REVENUE MONITORING AUDITS, THE HOT TAX AUDITS.
IT'S PART OF A FOUR-YEAR PLAN.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR SALES TAX COMPLIANCE AUDITS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GETTING ALL THE SALES TAX FROM OUR VENDORS.
WE DO HAVE SOME CMS AUDITS THAT ARE IN THEIR SECOND PHASE, WHICH WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT 100% OF THE PROCEDURES AND POLICIES AND BEST PRACTICES AND CONTROLS ARE INCLUDED WITH THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED HERE.
WE HAD PLANNED TO DO SOME FINANCIAL AND COMPLIANCE AUDITS, THREE AT THE PORT, AND THREE AT THE PARK BOARD.
AT THE PORT, WE HAD PLANNED ON DOING WRITTEN AND CASH BANK RECONCILIATIONS, [NOISE] FIXED ASSET POLICIES, AND WE HAVE A PLAN TO FOLLOW UP ON THE PROCUREMENT PROCEDURES.
AT THE PARK BOARD, WE ARE EVALUATING FIXED ASSETS AND WE ARE EVALUATING CASH AND BANK RECONCILIATIONS AS WELL, AND THE PROCUREMENT PROCEDURES WE'RE FOLLOWING UP ON YOU TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ADHERED TO.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE CMS, NOBODY HAD ANYTHING IN WRITING AND THE PLAN WAS[OVERLAPPING].
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>> OH, IT'S COMPLIANT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
>> I HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT. [LAUGHTER] WHAT IT IS, IT'S A THREE-YEAR PHASE.
IN THE FIRST YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT A DISCOVERY PHASE OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
SECOND YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE 100% ALL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES WRITTEN.
AND THE THIRD YEAR WE ARE FOLLOWING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ADHERING TO THEIR POLICIES.
SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DO IT ALL IN ONE YEAR WE ARE [NOISE] DONE INTO THREE YEARS AND TAKING MORE TIME WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
>> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OF JOHN.
>> THE PARK BOARD, THREE AUDITS FOR THE PARK BOARD, THE THREE AUDITS FOR THE PORT.
IT WAS OUR JULY MEETING, I GUESS, WHEN WE APPROVED AN UPDATED AUDIT PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> JUNE? I'M SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
>> JUNE, JULY. WE DID AN UPDATED AUDIT PLAN.
THAT'S CORRECT. YOU DID DO THAT.
THOSE AUDITS WERE SCHEDULED FOR 23, BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR SCHEDULE IN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS WITH ALL THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE DOING, THOSE GOT PUSHED BACK TO THE 24TH YEAR.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE TWO AGENCIES ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION THE PORT AND THERE WERE SOME MISCOMMUNICATION BY THE PORT.
THEY WEREN'T AWARE THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME OVER.
THEY ASKED IT THINGS WE'VE PUT BACK BECAUSE THEY HAD A WHOLE LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH GATSBY 87 AND THEY'RE FILING OF THEIR ACT FOR OVER THERE AND THE PARK BOARD HAD A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH THEIR BUDGET, SO THEY ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION AS WELL, ALL THREE AUDITS.
>> ON THIS PLAN, WE HAVE ONE OF THE PORT AUDITS BEING DONE THIS YEAR AT THE END OF THE YEAR,12:31.
>> THAT'S NEXT YEAR, I BELIEVE. YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.
>> YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. THE FISCAL YEAR STARTS OCTOBER 1ST.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS TIMELINE? DO WE NEED TO DO ANY HELP WITH THIS? YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS?
>> FIRST, I THOUGHT WHEN IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY YOU AND COUNSEL [INAUDIBLE] THAT IT WAS OUTLANDISH, BUT I BEGAN TO THINK, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN USE TO ADD AND CUT THE HOT TAX FURTHER DOWN FROM THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO TRY TO CUT IT DOWN TO THE NEXT TWO YEARS, AND BRING IN THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE BEEN LACKING SO DESPERATELY BECAUSE IN THE PAST WHEN THE PORT BOARD HAD HIRED ANOTHER AUDITOR TO AUDIT THE HOTELS, VERY LITTLE WAS DETERMINED TO BE OWED.
AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, WE'VE HAD THE TURNAROUND OF THAT.
WE'VE HAD A GREAT DEAL OF, THAT THE CITY WAS NOT GETTING A VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR HOT TAX FUNDS.
EVERY TIME WE TOUCH AN AUDIT, WE BRING IN ABOUT OVER 10,000 -$12,000.
>> YOU'RE A PROFIT CENTER FOR US.
>> WE'RE TRYING TO WE WANT TO DO IS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> NOT FOR THE CITY, GOOD FOR THE HOT.
>> WE'VE BROUGHT IN QUITE A LOT TO SALES, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GET PEOPLE TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING ON THAT LINE THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY GET AUDITED AND PUTTING THE RIGHT NUMBERS ON.
>> TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTION THOUGH, YOU THINK YOU CAN GET THIS DONE?
>> I CAN GET IT KNOCKED DOWN TO TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF THREE YEARS IF I HAD ANOTHER AUDITOR.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DESKTOP.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS AUDIT PLAN.
>> THIS AUDIT PLAN YOU CAN GET THIS DONE IN A NEXT YEAR?
>> WELL, IT DEPENDS UPON YES, THAT'S RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE WANT TO DOUBLE UP ON HOT AND GET SOME HELP ON THREE OF THESE AUDITS.
THE OTHER PERSON WOULD NOT BE ENTIRELY HOT.
THEY WOULD BE DOING THREE CMS AUDITS.
>> BUT THE QUESTION GLEN, THIS AUDIT PLAN THAT YOU'VE SUBMITTED, JUST THIS ONE HERE.
YOU CAN FINISH THIS WITHIN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
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>> THOUGH THE LAST ONE WE TRIED TO WE ATTEMPTED 18 WITH. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BEFORE WHEN IT WAS JUST CARRYING MYSELF.
WE DID SIX A YEAR, WHICH IS QUITE A LOT FOR TWO PEOPLE.
MOST INTERNAL AUDIT OFFICES, THEY GET TWO OR THREE UP.
>> WHEN YOU COLLECT THOSE FUNDS DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY COME FROM, SALES TAX, HOT TAX.
THEY GO INTO DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS AND STUFF.
CAN WE USE THOSE FUNDS TO HELP YOUR DEPARTMENT?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN USE.
MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW DR. BROWN.
>> WELL, GLENN AND I I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT AND I ASKED BRIAN THAT TOO AND WE'RE NOT SURE ARE WE, BRIAN?
>> NO. MY TAKE ON THIS IS GLEN DOES.
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE ASKING SOMEBODY TO SALES AND HOT TAX ON THERE'S NONE BETTER THAN GLEN.
>> ANYWHERE. I WILL TELL YOU THOUGH I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME SPENDING GENERAL FUND TAX DOLLARS THAT YOU TAX RESIDENCE FOR TO GO OUT AND CHASE HOT DOLLARS THAT YOU CAN'T TURN AROUND AND USE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS.
>> WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF WE'RE COLLECTING MORE HOT DOLLARS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING OUT THERE AND FINDING PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T PAID THEIR HOT TAX, CAN WE USE THAT MONEY TO RUN? I'M NOT TRYING TO SQUEEZE.
>> I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THE PORT BOARD PAYS YOU BY THE AUDIT?
>> YES. THEY WERE VERY KIND AND WE RAN OVER ON A COUPLE OF AUDITS.
WHEN WE DID START DOING HOTELS.
>> YOU DO. BUT KEEP IN MIND THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED RIGHT NOW IS IF GLEN GETS INTO A VERY DIFFICULT ONE AND IT CONSUMES A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME HE GETS PAID BY THE AUDIT AND YOU'RE FRONTING ALL THIS MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND HE MAY OR MAY NOT COLLECT 100% OF THE COST OF THAT AUDIT FROM THE HOT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD MECHANISM IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF GLEN'S DOING HOT AUDITS, BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND IF HE'S NOT DOING ANY HOT AUDITS, SO THEY DON'T SEND THEM TO HIM THEN YOU'RE PICKING UP THAT TICKET IN THE GENERAL FUND SOMEWHERE BECAUSE GLEN'S A GENERAL FUND FUNDED DEPARTMENT.
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, JOHN, DAN, IF WE COULD CHECK CAN WE USE HOT FUNDS TO PAY FOR THE HOT AUDITS?
>> WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE.
>> I THINK WE ARE. BUT I THINK I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST WE CHANGED THE MECHANISM WHERE IF GLEN'S GOING TO FUND TWO POSITIONS TO DO HOT AUDITS THAT THEY PAY FOR THE TWO POSITIONS RATHER THAN PAYING US BY THE ULTIMATE.
>> THESE HOT TAX AUDITORS, WE DON'T WANT TO TRAIN THEM JUST SOLELY IN HOT TAX OR REVENUE MONITORING.
WE WANT THEM TO BE ACCESSIBLE FOR CMS AUDITS COMPLIANCE TYPE AUDITS AS WELL, SO HELP US.
ABOUT 75% OF THE HOT TAX AUDITOR SALARY THIS FIRST YEAR WAS PAID BY THE PORT BOARD AND 25% BECAUSE SHE PERFORMED TWO CMS AUDITS THIS YEAR.
>> YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE TO GLEN AND KERRY SPENT QUITE A BIT OF THEIR TIME AND THEY WERE 100% GENERAL FUND FUNDED DEALING WITH THE HOT TAX AUDITS.
I THINK IT'S A CLEANER WAY TO ASSUME THAT IF YOU HAVE TWO AUDITORS ARE WORKING OVER TO OTHER THAN GLENN AND KERRY THAT YOU FUND THEM OUT OF HOT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY WORK.
IF THEY'RE BOTH WORK IN 75% IS VERY EASILY TO COME UP WITH THE OTHER 25% ON BOTH POSITIONS IN JUST GLEN AND KERRY'S TIME.
>> GLEN EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO ME TOO.
LIKE LET'S TAKE I'D HATE TO KEEP HARPING ON THE PORT, BUT I WILL.
>> YOU LOVE DOING IT. [LAUGHTER]
>> EXPLAIN TO ME THE TYPE OF AUDIT SOME OF THESE ARE BECAUSE I MET WITH YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND YOU GAVE ME SOME GREAT INSIGHT ON WHAT YOU DO OVER THERE AND HOW YOU DO IT.
BUT THINGS LIKE EVALUATE WRITTEN CASH AND BANK RECONCILIATION PROCEDURES AND CONTROLS.
LIKE I SAW HERE IN ONE OF THE AGENDAS THAT YOU HAVE PROCEDURES AND CONTROLS FOR THE CITY ON HOW WE RECONCILE OUR BANK ACCOUNTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT THEIR PROCEDURES AND EVALUATE?
>> YES, SIR. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE REMOVING THE PROCEDURES AROUND TO HOW THEY FIT EACH ORGANIZATION.
BUT WE'RE UTILIZING THE BENEFIT OF WHAT OUR RESEARCH AND THE ENTITIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY AUDITED AND WE'RE GOING WHERE TO PORT BOARD WE'RE SAYING, WELL, HERE'S THE CITIES AND HERE'S OUR RESEARCH.
PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU NEED.
IT WORKED OUT BEAUTIFULLY BECAUSE WHEREAS BEFORE WE HAD NOTHING IN
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WRITING AND EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO TELECOMMUNICATE PROCEDURES WHICH WASN'T WORKING.IT WAS MUCH EASIER FOR BRYSON TO JUST PICK WHICH ONES AND THIS WOULD BE GOOD, THIS WILL BE GOOD.
THEY TOLD US AND NOW THE NEXT YEAR WE'RE COMING BACK AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THEY FIT AND THAT THEY ARE ADHERING TO THEM.
>> YOU GO IN THERE AND YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BUT SOMETHING LIKE THE PORT OR WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO HAVE THEM ADOPT THOSE PROCEDURES YOU JUST MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM.
>> THE PORTS BEEN RECEPTIVE TO THE CMF AUDITS AS WELL.
>> HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH THE PORT, BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE PORT THAN IT IS THE PORT BOARD.
HE HAD TO WALK AWAY FOR AN HOUR. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW.
>> IF WE IF WE GO OVER THERE, DO THE AUDIT AND SAY, HERE YOU GO.
ARE THEY GOING TO ACCEPT THESE OR ARE THEY GOING TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, WE'VE GOT IT? [LAUGHTER]
>> WELL, IN THE BEGINNING, IT WAS VERY ROUGH CALLING.
NOW WE'VE ESTABLISHED MORE OR LESS RELATIONSHIP WHERE IT IS, WE DO HAVE VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE ISSUES.
>> I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION GETS BACK TO THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE PORT TO THE CITY AND IT'S AN INTERESTING RELATIONSHIP IS NOT LIKE, AS WE KNOW, THE PORT BOARD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY OVER THEIR BUDGET, [NOISE] ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THAT IT'S BASED UPON BUILDING A RAPPORT WITH THE PORT, JOHN.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU HAD TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY THAT THE PORT RAPPORT HAS REALLY SHAPED TO BE A VERY GOOD RAPPORT.
>> HERE YOU NEED TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF WITH IT.
>> [INAUDIBLE] ASSISTANT CITY AUDITOR.
WITH THE BANK FOR X AND THE CASH WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED THE INFORMATION FROM THE PORTS AND WE'VE ALREADY SET LIKE DEADLINES ON WHEN WE'LL WORK WITH THEM FOR ALL THREE AUDITS.
I THINK IT WILL WORK OUT WELL.
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MISCOMMUNICATION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THE AUDITS?
>> YEAH. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS YEAR NOW BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TOWARDS THEM AND I'VE ALREADY RECEIVED INFORMATION ON SOME OF THE AUDITS, BUT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO THEM YET BUT NEXT YEAR.
I THINK WE HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATION.
I HAVE REALLY GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE CONTROLLER.
>> NOW, WHEN I FIRST STARTED GOING OVER THERE, I WAS DOING FINANCIAL TYPE AUDITS AND THESE ARE COMPLIANCE TYPE AUDITS.
>> COMPLIANCE IS HELPING THEM ESTABLISH PROCEDURES TO DO THE THE BANK BOOKS, WHATEVER.
>> MY THING IS AS COUNSEL, IF WE'RE SENDING YOU OVER THERE TO DO THAT AND SPENDING THE MONEY AND THE TIME TO GO DO THAT.
I WOULD WANT THE PORT TO ACCEPT THE REPORT AND COMPLY WITH WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, NOT HAVE A NICE DAY AND WE WASTED MONEY.
>> HAVEN'T THEY BEEN VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE CMS?
>> WE HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH OF THEM IN ALL HONESTY TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK OUT IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE IT TO THAT THIRD YEAR WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADHERING TO IT.
THIS HAS ONLY STARTED LAST YEAR, THE CMS AUDIT.
ALL OF THEM WERE THE FIRST YEAR.
>> I WOULD SAY AND I'M NOT SURE ON THIS, BUT, WE ESTABLISH POLICIES HERE.
WE HAVE A DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICY.
I THINK THE PORT HAS ADOPTED THAT.
>> WHAT THE CITY DOES, THEY HAVE ADOPTED THAT POLICY I THINK.
>> I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT. I THINK I WENT THROUGH THEIR BOARD.
>> YES, WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF AUDITS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW AND WE ARE ESTABLISHING A BETTER RAPPORT WITH THE PORT.
>> WHEN YOU STARTED WITH THE PORT BOARD, IT WAS A ROUGH GO.
>> IT WAS VERY ROUGH. SAME WITH THE PORT.
WE WEREN'T USED TO HAVING AN INTERNAL AUDITOR COME OVER THERE AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
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>> BUT THAT HAS GOTTEN MUCH BETTER, I THINK.
>> I'M SORRY. HAVE YOU DONE AN AUDIT SINCE THEN? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE AT THE PORT?
>> LAST YEAR WE DID ONE AUDIT.
WE DID ONE AUDIT BEFORE LAST YEAR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE CITY FOR THE TRANSIT TERMINAL, BUT I LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE WROTE.
>> WE REALLY DIDN'T DO ANY AUDITS LAST YEAR AT THE PORT.
>> WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DID?
>> IT WAS THE START OF THE CMS WITH MEGAN.
PROBABLY THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.
>> THE UNSPOKEN QUESTION HERE IS, WHY ARE WE SPENDING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS DOING AUDITS OF THE PORT AND IT DOESN'T GIVE US ANYTHING BACK TO SPEAK OF AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE EVEN BEING ACCEPTED OR RECEPTIVE TO IT OR THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
THEY MAY BE FRIENDLY AND RECEPTIVE TO, BUT WHAT'S THE CHANGE AND WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
>> I WOULDN'T KNOW UNTIL THE YEAR THAT WE GO THROUGH AND WE MAKE SURE ON FOLLOW-UP THAT THEY'RE ADHERING TO IT OR NOT.
>> THEN WHY ARE WE PAYING FOR IT?
>> I WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN THE BEGINNING TO GET THE PORT TO PAY FOR ANY OF OUR.
>> WELL, THAT COMES BACK TO THE AUDIT PLAN AND THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY.
WE GOT PORT AND PART BOARD AUDITS ON HERE.
>> PERHAPS WE ARE DOING AUDITS PART BOARDS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO HOT TAX, BUT ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO THE PARK BOARD, 90% OF THIS AS HOTEL TAXES.
WE SEE DEFICIENCIES THAT DO REDOUND TO THE CITY.
>> WELL, WE'RE PAYING BUT A HOT TAX IS BEING USED TO PAY FOR THE HOT TAX.
>> THEY'RE DOING OTHER AUDITS THAN HOT TAX.
>> THEY ARE DOING OTHER AUDITS THAN HOT TAX [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT THERE ARE FUNDS BEING GENERATED OVER THERE AS WELL.
>> THERE ARE SOME FUNDS BEING GENERATED FOR IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TOUCHING THEM WITH THESE AUDITS.
>> WELL, AND THAT'S A DIRECTION TO COUNCIL, THAT'S A PHILOSOPHY OF THESE AUDITS ON HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO APPROACH THAT.
>> WHAT IS OUR END GAME? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY AUDITING OF PORT? WHAT DO WE GET OUT OF IT? WHAT CHANGE ARE WE GOING TO MAKE? HOW DO WE PAY BACK FOR IT?
>> YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT MR. MAYOR.
I CAN TELL YOU PHILOSOPHICALLY THAT THEY ARE A COMPONENT OF THE CITY IN SOME MANNER.
THEY MANAGE CITY PROPERTY AND THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GOOD FIDUCIARY PRINCIPLES ARE BEING FOLLOWED.
>> ONE OF WHICH WOULD BE THE COST THAT AUDIT SHOULD BE BORNE BY THAT.
>> WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS, MIKE.
>> WE'RE ALSO GETTING INTO A NEW SEASON WITH THE PORT BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY GENERATING MONEY FOR US.
MAYBE THE AUDITS NEED TO BE ABOUT THE PARKING.
MAYBE THE AUDITS NEED TO BE ABOUT THE TARIFF AND THINGS THAT WE EXPECT OUR REVENUE BACKDROP.
WITH THAT SAID, IF MONEY IS BEING GENERATED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICES THAT ARE HAPPENING, THAT THAT MONEY IS NOT JUST BEING GONE AWAY.
>> DO YOU MEAN MONEY AT THE PORT?
>> I WANT TO SEE THAT TOO. I'D LIKE TO KNOW AS A CITIZEN, THAT'S BEING DONE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
>> BUT I'M NOT PROPOSING WE'RE SENDING BLED OVER TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
>> WE DON'T OWN ANYTHING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
WELL, IT'S NOT 100% CLEAR THE ONLY THING IS THE PORT.
WHEN YOU GET RIGHT DOWN TO THE WHEEL MOODY GARDENS.
>> NOT ACCORDING TO THE PAPER THE PARK DOES.
>> THERE MAY ACTUALLY BE A DISTINCTION, BUT HE GOT $275 MILLION FOR THE PROPERTY THERE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE AUDIT IT, BUT IT'S ON OUR BOOKS.
>> MOODY GARDENS PRESENTS THEIR AUDIT TO THE PORT BOARD EACH YEAR.
>> I KNOW. BUT THEN THEY PAY FOR IT.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING I DON'T TRUST WHAT MOODY GARDENS IS SAYING TO US.
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>> IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD PUT IT IN THE INNER LOCAL THAT WHEN WE DECIDE TO HAVE AN AUDIT THAT [OVERLAPPING]?
>> WE DON'T HAVE A LOCAL REPORT.
>> NOW THAT THE PORT, THE AUDIT THAT THEY DO, THEIR END-OF-THE-YEAR AUDIT, AND THEIR NORMAL ROUTINE ANNUAL AUDITS, THEY PAY FOR THAT.
THESE INTERNAL AUDITS THAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO THROUGH, THEY'LL PAY FOR THAT.
BUT IT THAT THE WISH ACCOUNTS.
>> WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT? WHY ARE WE DOING IT? YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT WHAT'S THE POINT OF DOING IT? WHAT DO WE GET FROM THIS?
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.
BUT THE REVENUE STREAMS THAT WE GET FROM THEM, I CAN SEE WHY WE WOULD DO THAT AUDIT AND I CAN SEE WHY WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT AUDIT.
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE CASE AT THIS POINT.
CASH, MACRONS CONCILIATION, FIXED ASSETS, POLICIES, AND PRACTICES.
>> THESE ARE IMPORTANT AUDITS, I THINK, BUT THESE ARE PROBABLY NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME.
THE MOST IMPORTANT TO ME WOULD BE THE ONES THAT GENERATE REVENUE FOR THE CITY.
>> I THINK THAT'S ONE WAY YOU COULD JUST SAY.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S THE NEW SEASON WE'RE COMING UP IN AND THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSACTIONS ON THAT.
>> IN A LOT OF WAYS, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING AS EFFICIENT AND ALL THAT.
THOSE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS TO DO, BUT I AGREE.
YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS TO BE WHAT MONEY'S COMING BACK TO US AND IF IT'S BEING ACCOUNTED FOR, CORRECT?
>> SPEAKING OF PARKING, CAN WE AUDIT THE PRIVATE LAUNCH?
>> YES. THAT'S IN THEIR AGREEMENT.
>> THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE COULD PUT IN THERE TOO, AND THE GLANDS.
>> I THINK I ADDED THAT IN THERE.
>> WE ADDED SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT.
THE FIRST DAY FIRST AUDIT THAT I DID AT THE PORT WAS PARKING AND IT WAS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CASH WE CARRIED UP TO THE OFFICES AND COUNTED THERE SEPARATE FROM THE COUNT AT THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT WAS BEING COUNTED IN FRONT AND THEN THEY WERE GOING IN RECOUNTING IT AND I MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK TAKE PARK BOARDS MADE SIMILAR CHANGES IN THEIR PROCEDURES BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF CASH ON HAND TO HAND FOR PARKING.
>> WELL, WHAT HAPPENED WAS I HAD THOUGHT THAT I HAD THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY NEEDED THAT CONTROL OR WERE THERE AT THE BOARD AND THEN WE GOT TO PRESENT THE REPORT, A MEMBER OF STAFF SAID WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CONTROL IN PLACE.
MS. BEATEN ASKED THEM TWO QUESTIONS AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT IN PLACE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT THE POINT BEING THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR US TO CARE ABOUT.
>> I SEE AND I CAN PUT THAT IN THERE.
>> YES. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLOAD YOU HERE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> SOME OF THAT MAY REPLACE SOME OF THIS, CORRECT?
>> WE MAY WANT TO PULL SOMETHING OFF OR THEY'RE ON THAT.
LET'S GET SOME MORE DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN AUDIT PLAN THAT HE'S PRESENTED FROM HIS DEPARTMENT.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, THAT POSSIBLY WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO AUDIT IS THE PARKING IN THE TARIFF SO THAT WE RECEIVE INCOME FROM A FUNDING FIRM FROM THE BOARD.
>> IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MEANS OR RIGHTS TO ADJUST THEIR PROCEDURES OVER THERE, I'M WITH DAVID.
WE'RE JUST SPINNING OUR WHEELS AND SPENDING MONEY.
>> YOU GO OVER THEM AND SAY YOUR PROCUREMENT PROCEDURES ARE OUT OF LINE WITH OURS OR WHATEVER, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
>> I AGREE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT.
>> I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
>> BUT I THINK WE AGREE ON THAT.
>> WE HAVE THE POWER TO APPOINT PEOPLE OVER THERE.
IF PROCUREMENT OR WHATEVER IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED PROPERLY THEN WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO MAKE SURE THE WARS BOARD ADDRESS THAT.
>> THESE THINGS DO NEED TO BE RAISED AND THEN AN AUDIT IS PERHAPS THE BEST WAY TO RAISE THAT TO THE BOARD.
YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER ABOUT THE BOND AND THE PROCESS AND ROUND PERIOD 25 AND THEN AROUND PEARSON, WE'D BE SURE TO DO THAT DIFFERENTLY THAT THAT WAS THE BOARD'S RESPONSIBILITY.
WHAT I DIDN'T SAY AT THE TIME WAS THE BOARD THAT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT PEARSON EXTENDS THE SAME BOARD THROUGH PERSON THAT LOOKS AT THE PERIOD THAT HAS GUIDED THE 25 PROJECT.
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>> IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME.
>> YOU DON'T NEED A POINT OF SENSE, ANYWAY.
>> ANYWAY. GETTING GLENN PERSONALLY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO AUDIT PARKING AT THE PORT, I THINK THEY AUDIT PRIVATE PARKING LOTS TOO.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.
>> WE STILL GO BACK TO DO YOU NEED EXTRA PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE ADDITIONAL [OVERLAPPING].
GLAD TO GO TO THE PARKING LOT.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF AUDIT.
THE WAY THAT I'VE BEEN TAUGHT HOW TO DO REVENUE MONITORING AUDITS FROM THE STATE COMPTROLLER.
I'M GOING TO NEED ANOTHER PERSON.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO BE FROM HOT TAX.
>> NO. SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP PROCEDURALLY, I'VE TALKED TO STAFF ON THIS.
IF AN EXTRA EMPLOYEE IS NEEDED OR COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO VOTE TO GIVE AN EXTRA EMPLOYEE TO THE AUDIT AREA, AND THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE BUDGET TO DO THAT.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THAT FOR ALL THIS PERSONNEL COME FROM.
IF WE'RE DOING X PERCENTAGE, HOT AUDITS AND EXOGENOUS ANTIGEN PARKING OR BEAT USER FEES OR ANY OF THAT, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE'RE FUNDING THOSE POSITIONS RATHER THAN JUST BELOW THE DRUM.
>> I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND AND GLENN'S GROUP DOES A WONDERFUL JOB WITH HOT AND SALES TAX.
IF WE GIVE AN EXTRA EMPLOYEE AND JUST CONCENTRATE ON HOT, I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CITY REALLY WITH THE CONCERNS WE HAVE WITH COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, WITH PENSION PLANS, WITH OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, WITH THE THINGS THAT THE GENERAL FUND IS REALLY STRAINED TO COME UP WITH FUNDING FOR THAT HOT DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT.
>> I THINK SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE THE PARK BOARD IS CONTRIBUTING SOMETHING TO THE GLENN'S HOT AUDIT.
THE ASSUMPTION BEING THAT THOSE ARE HOT FUNDS BEING EXPENDED TO DO THIS.
WE HAVE BEEN EXPANDING HOW FAST.
IS IT AN ALLOWABLE USE OF BEACHES FEES TO AUDIT BEACHES FEE COLLECTION?
>> I DON'T KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] I WOULD SAY YOU WE CANNOT USE BEACH USER FEES TO DO ENFORCEMENT ON COLLECTION OF BEACH USER FEES ON THE SEAWALL?
>> I THINK BEACH USER FEES ARE VERY DIFFICULT.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT REVENUE OF PARKING, LET'S TAKE THAT.
CAN WE PULL A PERCENT OR TWO ASIDE FOR THE AUDITS SO WE CAN CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT'S LUCKY.
>> I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE BECAUSE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUNDS.
>> BEFORE IT GETS TO THE GENERAL. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I AGREE, WE COULD. I'M JUST SAYING WE COULD BECAUSE IT'S NOT RESTRICTED.
>> TO UNRESTRICTED FUNDS, HOT CAN BE BEACH USER FEE.
>> BUT I THINK WITH THE HOT I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND EVALUATE HOW MUCH TIME DOES HE ACTUALLY PUT INTO CERTAIN AUDITS AND ARE WE GETTING PAID THE PROPER MONEY FOR THAT?
>> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE'RE PAID BY THE AUDIT.
THAT'S A QUESTION FOR BRYSON REALLY IS.
>> I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT? ARE WE IN 1990 CRISIS? [LAUGHTER].
>> IS EVERY HOT ODD, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
>> A LOT OF TIME [OVERLAPPING].
>> [INAUDIBLE] COULD BRING IN 400,000 [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE OTHER THING TOO IS PART OF YOUR HOT ON IT'S GOING TO BE AUDITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THOSE ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
>> YOU HAVE CATEGORIES OR CLASSES.
YOU HAVE A CLASS A, WHICH IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
YOU HAVE A CLASS B, WHICH IS A MID-SIZE HOTEL, AND YOU'LL HAVE A CLASS C, WHICH IS A MEGA HOTEL WHENEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
>> WE CURRENTLY $600 FOR AN STR AND $1,000 FOR A HOTEL.
I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE RAISE THAT.
WE DO GET AN ANOTHER ARBITRATORS $900 PER STR AND 1,600 PER HOTEL.
WHAT BRIAN SAID MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO CHARGE THEM BY THE TIME.
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I JUST WOULD SEEM SO MUCH EASIER.>> I'M ALL FOR THAT. THEN THEN EVERYBODY IS GETTING WHAT THEY NEED.
IF YOU CHARGE $15 WHATEVER YOUR CHARGE IS, AND INSTEAD OF $1,000, IT WAS 750.
YOU'VE SAVED MONEY ON THAT END. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
>> FOR THIS COSTUME. BECAUSE LIKE WE HAD TO FOLLOW THIS PAST YEAR, DON HAD TO GET INVOLVED.
WE HAD OTHER STAFF TIME INVOLVED IN IT AND NOT THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE SECOND YEAR TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR THIS.
BUT WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF THE CITIZENS MONEY HERE TRYING TO COLLECT MONEY THAT REALLY CAN'T BE USED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC GOOD.
>> IT WASN'T BRYCE WHO'S ID AND A CHARGE BY STR HOTEL? IT WAS MINE.
BUT AT THAT TIME, WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THESE TYPES OF DOLLARS WERE NOT BEING COLLECTED BY THE CITY.
>> I'M NOT MAD AT IT. I JUST THINKING THAT WE JUST SET UP.
>> IF WE HAVE TO FILE A SUIT ON HOT TAX.
HOT TAX, DOESN'T COVER THE COST OF ILLEGAL ON THAT AND WAY LEGALLY USE THE HOT TAX THAT COVER THAT.
WE HAVE THE BASE MAP OF TAX.WE HAVE PENALTY AND INTEREST WHICH WE COLLECT.
WE CANNOT ATTACH THE INTEREST THAT IS HOT.
WHAT WE DO IS WE TAKE IT OUT OF THE PENALTY, AS I RECALL.
>> WHERE YOU GET PENALTY [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT.
>> YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE LEGAL UNDER THE PENALTY?
>> WHEN WE FILED. THAT'S INTERESTING.
GETTING READY TO FILE ANOTHER ONE ON A MOBILE HOME IN A DRIVEWAY.
GLENN'S CREATED A SYSTEM TO START GENERATING THESE THINGS OVER TO OUR OFFICE.
I EXPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO REALLY PICK UP THE NUMBER OF SUITS THAT WE FILE.
I'M WAITING FOR THIS ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT HERE WE ARE.
>> ONLY DEPENDS ON THE EGREGIOUS OF THE DELINQUENCY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE PENALTY MAY OR MAY NOT COVER YOUR COST.
>> BUT IT'S BEEN EGREGIOUS [OVERLAPPING].
>> FIFTEEN PERCENT OF $1 MILLION IS THAN [INAUDIBLE] 50% OF $200.
>> YEAH,50% OVER SHORT-TERM RENTALS LIST 15% ON THE PICK A HOTEL.
I DON'T WANT TO NAME ONE NUGGET MET.
>> THAT IS THE AUDITING, THE PARKING, THE PRIVATE PARKING LOTS, AND THE PORT.
>> YOU HAVEN'T DONE ONE OF THOSE ALREADY.
>> NO, I JUST ADDED IT IN THERE.
IT'D BE A NEW PROGRAM THAT WE START THE SHERIFF, YOU GUYS WANTED US TO.
>> DO YOU WANTED TO START AND WHAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES US IF WE HAVE TO DO ALL, SO MANY PARKING LOTS.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK WHAT IS WHAT HAS SAY.
>> IT'D BE DONE BY END OF THE YEAR.
>> I'LL PUT THAT IN MY CONTRACT.
[LAUGHTER] SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT IN YOUR AUDIT PLAN TOO?
>> UP TO THIS MAGNITUDE, NOT THE WHOLE.
I WAS JUST GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROCEDURES FOR IT.
>> YEAH. YOU WEREN'T HONORING.
>> I WASN'T GOING TO DO A REVENUE MONITORING AUDIT.
ACTUALLY COME IN AND SAY, HEY, YOU ALWAYS JUST MAKE AN ASSESSMENT, A TAX ASSESSMENT.
>> A COMPLIANCE AUDIT DIFFERENT FROM A REVENUE ASSESSMENT AUDIT?
>> YES, SURE. IN THE FACT ON A REVENUE MONITORING AUDIT, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASSESSING TAXES AND PENALTY AND INTEREST, IF THEY ARE DUE.
BUT A COMPLIANCE AUDIT IS LOOKING AT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND CONTROLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO PAY US THE ACCURATE AMOUNTS THAT THEY OWE US.
>> THAT'S PROBABLY FIRST THING.
>> GO RIGHT AHEAD, JOHN, AND LET'S FINISH IT NOW.
>> THEN JUST THIS ONE DOWN STORM WATER DISCHARGE AUDITS, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT? WHAT IS THAT?
SECOND TESTING PHASE FOR STORMWATER DISCHARGE AUDIT.
>> THIS IS THE CMS. SO TRINA AND I WORKED ON DIFFERENT PROCEDURES AND
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THEN THIS WOULD BE TO GO IN AND SEE IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THEM.THAT CMS WHERE GLEN WENT TO DO IT THROUGH SO MANY YEARS TO GO AND CHECK, SO IT'D BE THE SECOND PHASE OF THAT.
>> FINANCIALS, NOT STORMWATER PROCEDURES.
>> I COULD SEE THEM OUT THERE WITH IMAGERY.
>> FINANCIAL PROCEDURES, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER INTO THAT.
WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THERE?
>> WELL, WHEN TRINA AND I DID IT, HE HAD SOME IDEAS AND I SHOULD HAVE READ UP ON THAT.
BUT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING OUT THERE AND THE NEW PROCEDURES HE'S PUT IN PLACE FOR THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS WHERE HE HAS GUYS WALKING.
>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE A TRINA WANTED TO HAVE SOME WRITTEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ON HIS STAFF, GETTING HIS STAFF TRAINED FOR TESTING OUT THERE.
>> YOU ALL ARE WRITING THOSE PROCEDURES?
>> WE WILL RESEARCH AND STEALING FROM OTHER CITIES.
WHEREVER WE HAVE, GET THEM FROM.
IT'S MUCH EASIER THIS WAY AND LET TRINA PICK.
>> IS THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL DO? I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE STORMWATER DISCHARGE AUDIT.
I MEAN, YOU ARE WRITING PROCEDURES TO GIVE TO PEOPLE IN THE FIELD TO DO THEIR JOB?
>> [INAUDIBLE] TO DO WITH THE IN FIELD OR INFILTRATION.
>> WILL ACTUALLY GUIDE US IN THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH HIM AN ACT TO HELP HIM GET THESE IN WRITING.
>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER.
>> QUITE HONESTLY, IT WON'T GET DONE, AND NOTHING WILL EVER GET DONE.
IT'LL BE JUST LIKE WHEN I STARTED.
EVERYTHING WILL BE, WELL, HE OR SHE KNOWS THAT HE OR SHE DIDN'T KNOW.
>> THIS IS OUTSIDE OF MY WHEELHOUSE, SO I MIGHT BE ASKING A STUPID QUESTION.
YOU'RE A CPA TRAINED IN FINANCIAL MATTERS?
>> AUDITING. BUT YOU WRITING PROCEDURES FOR PEOPLE IN THE FIELD TO DO THEIR JOB?
>> IT'S A METHOD THAT WE'RE USING.
WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY WRITING THEM OURSELVES.
WE'RE HELPING THEM GET THEM PROCEDURES, SO WE'RE NOT COMING UP WITH IT AND WRITING IT.
BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO AUDIT IN COMPLIANCE AND WE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SYSTEMS, IF THE SYSTEMS ARE EFFICIENT IN [INAUDIBLE] DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE HAVE NOTHING TO GO FROM.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I WAS ALL BY MYSELF, AND I STEPPED ON A LOT OF TOES.
WHEN I FIRST GO BECAUSE THEY GOT MAD AT ME FOR ASKING HIM QUESTIONS.
>> I MEAN, [INAUDIBLE] POSITION SUPER IMPORTANT YOU CAN'T RUN AN ORGANIZATION WITHOUT THEM.
>> BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE, AND THESE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO THEIR TRIBUTE, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME.
THEY ARE 24/7 AND WHEN WE STARTED TO DO THIS METHOD TO GET SOMETHING IN WRITING, AND WE BECAME SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THEM TO HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND CONTROLS IN WRITING.
THEN THEY BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF POLICIES, PROCEDURES, AND CONTROLS.
THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE AND IT WAS ROUGH.
I'VE HAD A ROUGH PART FOR [INAUDIBLE]. [LAUGHTER]
>> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY THAT HAVE NO MANUALS TO OPEN UP AND SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO CHECK THIS PUMP.
>> ALL OF OUR MANUALS HAVE PROCEDURES.
COUNCIL APPROVE THIS CMS SYSTEM THREE YEARS AGO, WAS REALLY NOT INVOLVED IN THAT, SO WE ASK HIM FOR HELP FROM TIME TO TIME ON ON BEST PRACTICES. BUT THAT'S IT.
>> I DIDN'T KNOW HOW BAD IT WAS.
>> IF WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING WE UTILIZE THAT.
BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I MEAN, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.
>> THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT CONVERSATION.
REALLY DELVED INTO THIS AUDITING THAT ONCE HE HAS ALL THIS UP AND PLACE, THEN HE CAN ACTUALLY DO THE AUDIT THAT HE NEEDS TO DO TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S BEING DONE WITHOUT IT, YOU CAN'T AUDIT ANYTHING.
>> [INAUDIBLE] HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.
BEFORE HE GOT HERE, GRANTS HAD NOTHING.
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THAT'S WHERE IT CARRIES DEPARTMENT WHERE SHE CAME FROM HIS GRANTS.WE BEGAN TO STEAL AND RESEARCH FROM ALL OTHER CITIES AND EVERYWHERE WE COULD TO GET THEM SOMETHING TO PUT TOGETHER.
>> BACK TO YOUR HOT AUDITS ON THIS PLAN THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED? HOW MANY HOT AUDITS ARE OUTLINED IN THAT, GLEN?
>> EIGHTY. THAT INCLUDES HOTELS AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
>> YES, I BELIEVE IT INCLUDES 12 HOTELS AND THE DIFFERENCE IS 68 STRS.
>> I HEARD YOU SPEAK OF THE THREE-YEAR PROCESS. YOU DO THIS.
DOES THE MONTH HERE CORRELATE TO THAT OR IS IT AN AUDIT NUMBER HERE THAT, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S THE FIRST YEAR OR?
>> IDENTIFYING APPEAR IN THE SECOND TESTING PHASE AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP FOR THE THIRD TESTING PHASE.
THE FIRST IS FIRST-YEAR, THIS YEAR BE SCRUFFY.
>> FOLLOW UP IS OBVIOUSLY SECOND OR THIRD YEAR?
>> THE THREE AT THE END MAYBE? OKAY.
>> SAYING, BECAUSE THIS IS ON OUR WORKSHOP, THIS WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL ON OUR NEXT MEETING?
THERE IS NOT A DEFINITE DATE ON THAT.
>> AT THAT MEETING, I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON THE PORT, WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THESE AUDITS, WHETHER WE WANT TO DO DIFFERENT AUDITS.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE.
WELL, I AGREE WITH BOTH DAVID AND MIKE ON THE SENSE THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING THE CORRECT AUDITS OVER THERE.
WE SPEND THE MONEY, WE DO THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITE WAY OF KNOWING IF COMPLIANCE WILL BE FOLLOWED OVER THERE.
>> ON THE OTHER END OF THAT, I'D RATHER COUNCIL JUST SAY, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT THESE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE'D LIKE TO PORT TO USE AND GET THAT ON A BOARD AGENDA AND LET THEM DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT THOSE OR NOT.
I DO HAVE DOWN HERE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE AREAS OF POSSIBLY A REVENUE AUDIT FOR TARIFFS AND FOR PARKING REPORT AND PRIVATE LIVES.
>> THAT'S WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS, IS TO TAKE OFF THE THREE-PART AUDITS AND PUT IN REALLY AUDITS FOR THE TARIFF AND PARKING LOTS.
THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE GOING.
>> COUNCIL, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MOVE.
JOHN, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE BROUGHT BACK THOUGH?
>> WELL, I MEAN, IF HE UNDERSTANDS.
>> THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, JOHN, FROM MR. WILLIAM AND MR. COLLINS IS A BETTER FIT.
THESE REVENUE MONITORING AUDITS SEEM TO FIRST WHEN WE APPROACH THEM THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CALL IT IT SAYS ANYTHING AND THEN LONG AND BEHOLD ON THE SALES TAX AND THE HOT TAX, IT WOULD SKYROCKET.
>> CAN YOU CHANGE YOUR AUDIT PLAN TO REFLECT THAT, PLEASE? THEN BRING THAT BACK TO US SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT ON OUR AGENDA COMING OUT.
>> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCIL? THANK YOU, GLENN.
THANK YOU, KAREN. APPRECIATE IT.
[3.C. Discussion Related To Ensuring Consistent Enforcement Of City Codes By The City Marshall’s Office (Lewis/Robb - 15 Min)]
>> 3C. DISCUSSION RELATED TO ENSURING CONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT OF CITY CODES BY THE CITY MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
>> THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING ENFORCEMENT THAT CONNECTS TO THE DISTRICT, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET INFORMATION REGARDING [OVERLAPPING] DISTRICT FROM JANELLE.
BASICALLY WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TRAINING IS DONE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT THROWS ME OFF BECAUSE THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST RETIRED, I REMEMBER HE WAS IN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THE ONE THAT WE JUST GAVE THE PLAQUE TO WHO WAS HERE FOR MANY YEARS.
>> HE WAS BUILDING [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUILDING. WAS HE EVER IN CODE ENFORCEMENT?
>> WELL, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS UNDER THE MARSHALL AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT IS, BECAUSE THERE'S AN ENTANGLEMENT HERE WHERE WE HAVE THE PAYMENT FROM THE CDBG.
WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT MOST OF THE CITATIONS HAVE TO DEAL WITH PARKING OR, WHICH I UNDERSTAND.
>> PARKING IS NOT PAID BY CDBG THAT'S PAID BY THE PARKING FIRM.
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BECAUSE HOW DO WE DISTINGUISH THAT? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION, IN VIOLATIONS OR CITATIONS.NUMBER 2, HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT THAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE DISTRICT? HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT GROUP IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE GROUP FROM ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T MOVE [INAUDIBLE] ANYTHING ELSE.
ALL THEY DO IS ENFORCE PARKING REGULATIONS AND THEY ARE FUNDED BY THE PARKING FEES THAT WE COLLECT ACROSS THE ISLAND.
THAT'S 100% HOW THEY'RE FUNDED.
OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE DO NOT DO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY DO NOT DO [INAUDIBLE] CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THEY DO NOT DO ANY OF THESE OTHER THINGS, THEY JUST ENFORCE PARKING RULES.
>> THERE'S A SET THEN ENFORCES PARKING RULES, BUT THEY ARE IDENTIFIED AS A MARSHALL.
>> THEY ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE MARSHALLS DEPARTMENT, BUT THEIR VEHICLES ARE SPECIFICALLY MARKED AS PARKING ENFORCEMENT, THEY WEAR DIFFERENT UNIFORMS, EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT.
>> THE PARKING THE ONE WHO ENFORCES THE PARKING, DO WE NORMALLY GIVE TOURISTS BUS HERE, DRIVER A TICKET, OR IF THEY ARE LOADING THEIR PASSENGERS?
>> THAT'S TYPICALLY NO, THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO, THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS.
>> THEY LEAVE YOUR BUS IN A NO PARKING ZONE AND NOBODY IS AROUND, I CAN SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
>> NO. THEY DIDN'T LEAVE THEIR BUS.
>> I GOT THE INFORMATION THAT THE BUS WENT TO PARK AT THE COURTHOUSE AND THEN THEY WERE GIVEN A CALL TO COME BACK TO PICK THEM UP DOWN BY THE MURAL IN THE LOADING ZONE, AND THEY WERE TOLD SOMEONE INSTRUCTED THE PARKING ATTENDANT, WHOEVER GIVES A TICKET TO GIVE THE MAN A TICKET, NOW HE'S LOADING.
>> ON FORBID THAT HE PARKED IN THE HORSE CARRIAGE AREA AND I THINK THE HORSE CARRIAGE PEOPLE MAY HAVE COMPLAINED.
>> IF THEY COMPLAINED, THIS IS WHERE IT BECOMES PUNITIVE.
WHY NOT SAY MR. YOU'RE IN THE WRONG LANE AND PULL OVER HERE? BECAUSE WE GET BUSES HERE ALL THE TIME FOR TOURISTS.
TOURISTS COME HERE, BUSES COME.
WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH SAYING, HEY MOVE YOUR BUS OVER HERE, PLEASE?
>> TYPICALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. HOWEVER, IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW OUR REQUEST THEN THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD GET A CITATION.
IF THEY DON'T, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART, BUT IF THE OPPORTUNITY IS NOT THERE TO SAY, HEY, SARAH, WOULD YOU PLEASE PULL YOUR BUS OVER HERE? THEN THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
IT'S INTERESTING THE DEMEANOR THAT THE MARSHALLS DISPLAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO CITIZENS.
I HAVE A LONG ONE RIGHT HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE LADY PULLING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, THE MARSHALL BLOWING THE HORN, JUST BLOWING THE HORN.
THEN COME OUT, CAR HAS PULLED ON THE WRONG SIDE.
BUT WHY THE DEMEANOR? I'M IN THE COURTHOUSE WITH MR. MILLER AFTER AND I'M TALKING TO MR. MILLER, THE MARSHALL COMES UP, I NEED THOSE PAPERS.
I'M TALKING WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION.
EXCUSE ME MISS, WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION, IT'S LIKE I DIDN'T SAY A WORD.
HOW DO WE HANDLE THE DEMEANOR OF MARSHALLS AND TALKING TO RESIDENTS TO PEOPLE? MY THIRD POINT IS, IF WE'RE ENFORCING ORDINANCES THAT ARE OLD ON THE BOOK, WHICH ARE OKAY.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
BUT RESIDENT'S NEEDS TO BE AWARE, HEY, DON'T PARK ON YOUR GRASS, DON'T BLOCK THE SIDEWALK.
WE ARE BEGINNING TO ENFORCE THESE, INSTEAD OF IT BEING PUNITIVE FROM THE START AND THE BEHAVIOR.
IT'S JUST A MIND BOGGLING THAT WE ARE REPRESENTING OR WE SERVE THE PUBLIC AND WE CAN JUST MISTREAT THE PUBLIC VERBALLY, THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT YOU'RE IN CHARGE.
MOST OF US I KNOW I DON'T EVER WANT TO READ THAT.
>> IF THESE ARE INSTANCES WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN THEY'RE RECORDED? WE HAVE THAT, WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND REVIEW THEM FOR YOU.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RECORDING?
>> EVERY MARSHALL THAT HAS ANY PUBLIC INTERACTION RECORDS THEIR CONVERSATIONS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] ON POLICE OFFICER.
>> NO ONE IS GOING TO CONDONE LANGUAGE OR INTERACTION WITH CITIZENS THAT'S NOT CONDUCIVE.
NO ONE'S GOING TO CONDOR THAT, SO IF WE HAVE COMPLAINTS, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM.
WE CAN ADDRESS THAT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL, PARKING OF HORSEMEN, OFFICER. ABSOLUTELY.
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>> I JUST THINK ALSO THEY SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE CITATION OR THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY ARE ENFORCING.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE OTHER EXAMPLE OF THE LADY WHO HAD PUT A TRAILER ON THE CONCRETE.
WELL, SHE HAD THE TRAILER ON THE GRASS.
THEN THE MARSHALL TOLD HER SHE COULDN'T PUT IT ON THE GRASS, SHE NEEDED CONCRETE.
SO THE LADY GOES AND GETS THE CONCRETE, THE MAN DOESN'T HAVE THE PERMIT, SO THEY HAVE TO BACKUP AND STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT.
BUT THEN THE MARSHALL COME BACK ALONG TO SAY, ACCORDING ORDINANCE WHEREVER YOU CAN HAVE IT ON THIS CONCRETE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING OR A HOUSE THERE.
>> SHE WOULD HAVE FOUND THAT OUT IF SHE GOTTEN THE PERMANENT.
BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN A RESIDENT DOESN'T GET TO THAT POINT WHERE IT SAYS, HEY, I NEED TO GO GET, SHE TRUSTED WHAT SHE WAS TOLD.
>> WELL, IT'S NOT THAT SHE WAS TOLD SHE COULDN'T QUOTE DURING THE POSITION SHE WAS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW FAR THE MARSHALL WENT AND EXPLAINED TO HER THE CORRECT PROCESS.
BUT IF HE GAVE HER THE INITIAL PROCESS, YOU COULD AFFIRM IT THAN THE REST OF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LAID OUT PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
>> SEE YOU GUYS AREN'T LISTENING.
>> I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT A RESIDENT AND GIRLS.
>> HAD A LITTLE MOLD OR WHAT DO YOU CALL THOSE LITTLE?
>> RV? NOT THE MOTOR ONE, JUST A LITTLE ONE THAT SHE PUT ON HER PROPERTY TO BRING HER GRANDCHILDREN, TAKE THEM TO THE BEACH.
>> SO SHE CITED BECAUSE IT'S ON THE GRASS.
>> SHE WAS CITED OR SHE WAS ADVISED THAT SHE COULD PUT IT THERE?
>> SHE WAS CITED ADVISED, YOU WANT TO USE, THAT SHE COULD NOT HAVE IT ON THE GRASS, SHE NEEDED IT ON CONCRETE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. DID THEY EXPLAIN TO HER SHE COULDN'T HAVE IT THERE OR WAS SHE ACTUALLY GIVE A CITATION?
>> NO. THE ONLY THING SHE WAS TOLD IS THAT IT COULDN'T BE ON THE GRASS [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHETHER IT EXPLAINED TO HER SHE COULDN'T HAVE IT WHERE IT WAS.
>> IN THE FIRST VARIABLE, SHE WAS TOLD, MA'AM, YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT ON THE GRASS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONCRETE.
THIS IS AN OLDER LADY, SO WHAT DOES SHE DO? GET SOMEBODY TO POUR CONCRETE, AND IT HAPPENS THAT HE DIDN'T GET THE PERMIT SO THEN SHE HAD TO BACKTRACK.
BUT ONCE THE CONCRETE IS POURED, THEN SHE GETS THE LITTLE TRAILER PLACED ON THERE.
THEN SHE'S TOLD YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HOUSE ON A STRUCTURE THERE.
IT'S NOT ORDINANCE, SO I'M NOT AGAINST THE ORDINANCE, BUT I'M SAYING WHY CAN'T WE EXPLAIN AND TALK TO PEOPLE, RESIDENTS LIKE WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET TO OUR OLDER POPULATION.
WHAT SHE DID WAS SHE SAID I GOT RID OF THE TRAILER BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T WANT THE HASSLE.
THIS IS AN OLDER LADY HER HUSBAND IS IN THE HOSPITAL, DIDN'T WANT THE TRAP. GOT RID OF IT.
NOW THEY TELL HER SHE HAS TO BREAK UP THE CONCRETE THAT SHE HAD PLACED THE TRAILER ON.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DIMENSIONS OF REQUIREMENT OF CONCRETE.
WHY WOULD SHE HAVE TO BREAK THE CONCRETE UP ON HER PROPERTY? YOU GUYS KNOW THE EXPERT.
I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THESE ARE SITUATIONS THAT WE PUT RESIDENTS THROUGH, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE AT LOOKING ANOTHER APPROACH TO THAT.
>> I'M GOING TO INTERJECT HERE IF I MAY, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN TOLD BY MARSHALLS IN MEETINGS, SITUATIONS, SO FORTH, THEY'LL PROUDLY SAY, WE GIVE NO WARNINGS, AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD EVEN BY PEOPLE WHO WORK AT THE CITY WHERE THERE'S BEEN A SITUATION, GETTING A HANDICAPPED PERSON OUT OF THE CAR, PUTTING THE HANDICAP STICKER UP AND THEY'RE BEING ATTACKED, AND THEY'RE GETTING A CITATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T PUT IT UP.
THEY DON'T WANT TO COME FORWARD BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID.
>> NO REASON TO BE AFRAID, [INAUDIBLE] .
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU CAN'T SAY THAT. YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE.
>> YOU DON'T HEAR THE STORIES THAT WE HEAR, AND THERE DEFINITELY IS A SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
>> HOW DO YOU FEEL THAT? I'M CURIOUS. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
>> THE HOUSE ON SPIMBELL THAT HAS BROKEN EVERY STATE, CITY, COUNTY, YOU NAME IT, AND THEY'VE HAD ONE CITATION.
>> WELL, BECAUSE WE DON'T CITE FOR BUILDING ISSUES.
IF COUNCIL DESIRES AS TO BE CITING BUILDINGS THAT'S FINE.
>> IF WE'RE NOT HAVING A CONSTRUCTION FENCE AND THEY STILL DON'T HAVE A DAM CONSTRUCTION FENCE AND IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD.
>> THAT'S THE BUILDING OFFICE. THAT'S NOT THESE GUYS,
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BUT I'LL TAKE THAT UP WITH THEM.>> WELL, WHY DID THEY SEND THE MARSHALS OUT THEN?
>> WE SEND THE MARSHALS THERE BECAUSE TYPICALLY THIS OCCURS ON THE WEEKENDS AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE WORKING ON IT.
>> NO, IT OCCURS DURING THE WEEK TOO.
>> I WILL LET THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT KNOW TO GET OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S BUILDING IN COASTAL THAT DOES IT.
TYPICALLY, HE DOESN'T GET INVOLVED IN THOSE THINGS UNLESS THEY CALL HIM.
>> WELL, I KNOW THAT WHENEVER I REPORT ABOUT IT, I'M TOLD THE MARSHALS ARE SENT OUT, AND I JUST SEE NOTHING HAPPENING.
>> THE MARSHALS TYPICALLY DON'T ENFORCE BUILDING CODE ISSUES.
IF THEY GET SENT OUT FOR THAT, SOMETIMES IF THEY FEEL THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF ISSUE WHETHER THERE'S OTHER CODE VIOLATIONS THERE INVOLVE THE MARSHALL.
BUT TYPICALLY, OUR BUILDING OFFICIALS GO OUT AND THEY DON'T CITE PEOPLE IN TERMS OF FINES.
THEY GIVE THEM RED TAGS AND THEY SHUT DOWN THE PROJECT AND THEY DO OTHER THINGS.
IF WE WOULD LIKE TO GO ON A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WHERE WE START FINDING BUILDERS AND CONSTRUCTORS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE MARSHALS HAVE RED-TAGGED, OR THE BUILDING.
>> NOTHING HAS EVER [OVERLAPPING]
TYPICALLY, JOE TOWLING HE'S OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD GO OUT AND SAY WHICH IS UNSAFE.
YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING THIS PROCEDURE, WHATEVER ELSE.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THESE GUYS TYPICALLY DO ON THEIR OWN.
THAT IS DONE BY OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
>> THERE ALSO HAS BEEN SITUATIONS IN MY DISTRICT TO GOLF CARDS WHERE NEW MARSHALS ARE NOT AWARE OF POWER REGULATIONS READ.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, AS SHARON WAS SAYING, THAT THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT OUR REGULATIONS READ BECAUSE THAT HAS HAPPENED.
I CAN'T SAY CASES BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF THEM.
BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE OF A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY VERSUS A NON-MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS REPORT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SOME AREAS OF THE CITY GET MORE ATTENTION.
I'M NOT TALKING PARKING, I'M TALKING OTHER SIDES [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY WERE TWO TABS, DID YOU CLICK ON THE SECOND TAB THAT BREAKS IT OUT WITHOUT PARKING?
>> YOU MENTIONED PARKING. THERE WAS A SECOND TAB THAT WE SENT TO YOU.
>> NO, I JUST MANUALLY CHECKED.
MY QUESTION ON THE PARKING BECAUSE THERE WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF PARKING TICKETS.
HOW MUCH HAVE WE COLLECTED ON THAT?
>> THAT'S A QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK THE MUNICIPAL COURT.
>> I'LL JUST ADD ONE LAST THING AND THIS IS IN DISTRICT 1.
THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION, IT'S CALLED SAVE OUR HOOD.
WHEN HE TAKES CARE OF HIS PROPERTY, HE'S AGREED TO PICK UP THE TRASH.
HE PICKS UP THE TRASH AND THEN HE SETS THE BAG BY THE TRASH CAN THAT'S LABELED SAVE OUR HOOD.
WHILE THE MARSHAL COMES BY FIRST, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I'M WEED-EATING.
THEY GO THROUGH, THE MARSHAL ASK HIM FOR HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE, TAKES A PICTURE OF HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BUT HE TELLS HIM, YOU CAN NO LONGER PUT THOSE BAGS OF TRASH NEXT TO THAT.
HE SAID, WELL, OKAY, THE AGREEMENT WAS WHEN STEVE RABBAT WAS THE CITY MANAGER, SO IF IT HAS CHANGED, JUST LET ME KNOW.
THE MARSHAL RESPONDS IT'S A NEW REGIME IN TOWN.
YOU WILL NOT PUT THOSE BAGS THERE.
YOU WILL TAKE THEM AND THEN STARTED TO ORDERING HIM WHEN HE WOULD TAKE THE TRASH THAT HE'S PICKING UP IN OUR CITY IN DISTRICT 1, PLACING IT NEATLY BAGGED UP, THAT HE CAN NO LONGER PUT THOSE BAGS IN THERE.
THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY'RE CLEANING UP. HE'S CLEANING UP.
>> THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT GOES INTO IT.
ARE THEY DOING IT AT VACANT LOTS?
>> WE ONLY PICK TRASH WHERE PEOPLE HAVE A WATER BILL, WE DON'T PICK UP BAG TRASH THAT JUST PEOPLE THROW IN THE STREET.
YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH US AND IT HAS TO BE PLACED IN THE CANS.
>> THAT WAS AN OLD AGREEMENT, SO WE'LL SAY THAT AGREEMENT IS NULL AND VOID NOW.
>> I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT AGREEMENT.
>> THAT AGREEMENT IS AT LEAST 15 YEARS OLD.
>> EXACTLY. BECAUSE HE'S BEEN DOING IT AND HE STILL BEEN DOING IT.
IT'S JUST THAT THE MARSHAL APPROACHED HIM.
>> WE HAVE NO AGREEMENT WITH ANY GROUP CALLED SAVE OUR HOOD THAT I'M AWARE OF.
>> LET ME ASK THIS BECAUSE THIS IS AN ITEM THAT OF COURSE, MARIE, AND SHARON WANTED.
>> WELL, ONE REQUEST I HAVE AND IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION AFTER A RECENT MEETING AT CIO THAT THE MARSHAL RECORDED THE MEETING AND THAT MAY BE A PRACTICE, THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE THE AUDIENCE AWARE OF THE FACT AND TO FIND OUT SECONDHAND WAS SHE WAS IN THE MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND HERE'S OUR MEETING.
THAT IS LIKE SUCH, A GREASE OF OFFENSE OF PRIVACY RIGHTS.
[03:45:05]
YOU'RE RECORDING A TWO-HOUR MEETING AND YOU DON'T TELL PEOPLE THEY'RE BEING RECORDED.NOT THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING SAID THAT SHOULDN'T BE SAID, BUT THEY SHOULD MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF IT.
>> TYPICALLY THEIR LIGHTS ARE ON, BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN A BIG GROUP, THEY WOULDN'T SEE THE LIGHT ON.
WHEN WE HAD A MEETING BACK AT EPISCOPAL CHURCH WITH TWO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE MARSHALS AS TO THE ELDERLY POPULATION, HOW CAN WE ASSIST WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE IN PLACE, AND THAT SHOULD BE RECORDED BECAUSE AT THAT AT THAT MEETING THEY AGREED.
>> DO OUR CIVILIANS BUY BODY CAMS TOO?
>> I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF TRAINING IS IT IN DEALING WITH RESIDENTS, IN DEALING WITH HUMAN BEINGS, INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING PUNITIVE FROM THE START.
SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW CAN WE ADJUST THE SALARY AS FAR AS THEM BEING PAID THROUGH CDBG FONTS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE MISSION STATEMENTS OF CDBG, SOME OF THESE THINGS WE NEED TO FIND OUT FROM HUD AND WRITING, ARE THEY APPLICABLE? CAN WE USE THAT MONEY TO PAY TO MARSHALS AT 100% AND PAYING FOR BUT THE OTHER ON A SMALLER PERCENTAGE? THIRDLY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO MARSHALS AND LET THEM KNOW.
LEARN YOUR COMMUNITY, LEARN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ONLY DISTRICT 1, I'M JUST SAYING THE ISLAND PERIOD.
THIS TEXT FROM THIS MAN SAYS, THE MARSHAL LEAVES HIS HOUSE, GOES TO THE VERY NEXT BLACK CAR PARK, OPPOSITE WAY, MARSHAL KEEPS GOING.
WE ENFORCE HERE, BUT WE DON'T ENFORCE HERE.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY.
>> TYPICALLY, I WILL TELL YOU 90% OF OUR MARSHAL RESPONSES NOW.
YOU'RE SAYING MARSHAL, IS IT A PARKING ENFORCEMENT PERSON?
>> I GUESS I NEED TO START READING THE TRUCK.
THE TRUCK WILL SAY PARKING, AND THEN THE OTHER WOULD JUST SAY MARSHAL.
>> AREN'T ALL PARKING MARSHALS?
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE OTHER PARKING?
>> THE TRACKS THAT SAY PARKING, THEY'RE NOT MARSHALS.
>> THEY'RE JUST TRAFFIC. THEY'RE JUST PARKING, THEY'RE LIKE METER MAIDS.
>> ASSIGNED THROUGH THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
>> WELL, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
>> SHARON HAS OUTLINED THREE REQUESTS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SELL SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME AND FORWARD THEM TO ME.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS INDIVIDUAL COMPLAINTS ON WHATEVER LEVEL IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED ON TO ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT ANY RETALIATION OR BEING AFRAID TO EVEN VOICE THOSE COMPLAINTS.
BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THEM TO ME.
>> THAT'S WHY ROBBIE IS OVER THIS BECAUSE IF PEOPLE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE TALKING TO BUSH BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE INTERACTIONS ARE WITH BUSH BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SIT AT A DESK ALL DAY.
HE'S OUT DOING A LOT OF THIS TOO.
>> UNIFORM MAKES THE DIFFERENCE.
>> IT DOES. ROBBIE DOESN'T WEAR A UNIFORM.
ROBBIE IS AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITIES OVER INSURANCE AND A THOUSAND OTHER THINGS.
HE'S HAPPY TO HEAR THIS IN MONITORING JOEL, IT ELEVATES TO US, WE LOOK AT IT TOO.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILWOMAN, LEWIS, HAS SHOWN THREE REQUESTS, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE?
>> WORK WITH HER TO GET THOSE SUBJECTS ADDRESSED.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE YOU AND SHARON SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH ONE ON ONE SO YOU CAN REALLY GET THE HOLD FOR THIS.
>> MURRAY YOUR REQUEST WAS ABOUT THE BODY CAMS.
>> MY BAD. IF THEY'RE RECORDING A MEETING, THEY NEED TO MAKE THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.
WHEN YOU HAVE 100 PEOPLE IN A ROOM AND THEY'RE BEING RECORDED AND THEY'RE UNAWARE OF IT, THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] BODY CAM CAMERAS.
>> AS AN OBSERVATION OF LISTENING TO COUNCILMAN LEE LEWIS AND BROTH.
SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE IN OUR PROFESSION, WE TAKE THINGS FOR GRANTED AS FAR AS PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
I THINK FROM WHAT I HEAR IS WE'RE MISSING THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION.
WHETHER THAT'S A HANDOUT FOR, HEY, CAN YOU GO AND CALL THIS PERSON, AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO PUT THIS ON THEM.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS LISTENING TO MS. LEWIS AND I AGREE THAT RESONATES WITH ME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LADY WITH THE TRAILER.
WE USE VERY OFFICIAL TESTED LETTERS BECAUSE THEY BECOME COURT DOCUMENTS.
HOWEVER, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY WORK WITH DONNA TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LETTERS ARE MORE CLEAR AND THAT GIVE OPTIONS.
YOU'RE RECEIVING THIS LETTER BECAUSE WE CAN'T WRITE IT IN HERE.
AS A RESULT OF THIS, YOU SHOULD CONTACT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AT
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THIS NUMBER AND FOLLOW THROUGH AS TO THE NEXT SOLUTION.I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT MANNER.
I WORRY SOMETIMES THAT MAY CAUSE ISSUES AT THE COURT LEVEL, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS WE GET THE MANDATORY LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WE CAN FRIENDLY UP THE LETTERS DONE.
I THINK DONNA WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST PERSON TO YOUR OFFICE TO WORK WITH.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I HEAR THAT, AND I PERSONALLY HAVE A LETTER FROM BUSH.
>> BUT, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I COULDN'T PUT A BASKETBALL COURT UP AT THE EDGE OF THE CURVE.
SO I ENDED UP HAVING TO TAKE IT DOWN, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW, AND SO WHAT I'M THINKING WE'RE MISSING IS NOT A LEGALIZED LETTER, WHAT WE'RE MISSING IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS, THAT RESIDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF, THEY FEEL VIOLATED, THEY'RE LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW.
>> OPTIONS, SOLUTIONS, AND A TOUCH OF COMPASSION.
>> ONE QUICK QUESTION WHEN YOU SAY RECORDING MEETINGS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BODY CAMS?
>> YES. THEY RECORDED THE ENTIRE MEETING.
>> THE BODY CAM. THEY'RE NOT THERE TO RECORD THE MEETING.
I DON'T WANT, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY VERY MANY PLACES WHERE AN OFFICER OR ATTORNEYS BODY CAM OFF IN A CITIZEN INTERACTION WERE THERE.
>> WHY ARE THERE YOU'RE THE TOPIC OF THE MEETING.
YOU SHOULD SAY TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE ROOM.
THIS MEETING IS SO YOU'RE AWARE, I AM RECORDING THIS MEETING ON MY BODY CAM.
I THINK THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE PROCEDURE.
>> THAT'S I THINK YOU'VE GOT UNDERSTAND JOHN.
>> WITH THIS, BUT WE'VE GOT ABOUT AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES HERE.
>> I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE SAYS.
HOW MUCH LONG ARE WE GOING TO TAKE HERE FOR THE REST OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS?
>> COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKLY, WANTS TO GET BACK IN THE MEETING AND OUR ZOOM DISCONNECTED.
SO CAN WE TAKE A SHORT BREAK SO HE CAN GET BACK IN.
>> THE FOOTNOTE, BUT LET'S ADDRESS THIS BEFORE WE TAKE A SHORT BREAK HERE, I WANT TO GET SOME GUIDANCE ON THIS.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKLY, WANTS TO GET BACK IN A MEETING AND IT DISCONNECTED.
>> SO AS WE TAKE A BREAK, CAN YOU FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH LONGER WE'RE GOING TO GO TO MAKE SOME SUGGESTION.
>> HOW LONG DOES IT TAKES TO GET COUNSELING THING LEAD BACK IN.
>> DIAL BACK IN AND CONNECTED ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S IT.
>> MARTHA IS GOING TO DO IT FOR ME.
>> I THINK YOU CAN COMPLETE YOUR THOUGHT, MAYOR.
>> WELL, LET ME GET COUNCILMAN, FRANKLY, BACK INTO PLAY HERE.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OFF OUR IT PERSON IS. IT HAS TO DO THIS.
>> SHOULDN'T TAKE BY THE MINUTE.
>> SHE SAID MARTHA WAS GOING TO DO THIS.
>> SAY MARTHA. I THOUGHT SHE SAID HER.
>> EXCUSE ME. YOUR SUGGESTIONS. LET'S GO HOME.
I'M WITH YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE A.
[Items 3G & 3H]
TO 3H TO THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING.>> SO COUNCILWOMAN ROBB WAS NICE ENOUGH TO DEFER 94 THE 3G AND THE 3H TO OUR 914 MEETING.
[3.E. Discussion Of Alcohol Sales At Dellanera RV Park (Bouvier/Brown - 15 Min)]
SO THAT ONLY LEAVES THE DYLAN ERROR PARK RV PARK DISCUSSION COUNCIL.DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS AT THIS POINT OR DEFER THAT.
>> WHAT DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE HERE?
>> NO. WE DON'T KNOW SOMETHING OR.
>> NO, WE WERE NOT ON A TIMELINE.
>> AND, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO STAND THIS UP OFF SEASON HERE.
>> ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE GENTLEMEN IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE OUTCOME, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WELL, MR. CLEMENS, THAT'S POINTING TO IT.
HE'S A TRUSTEE. HE GETS NO RESPECT.
>> LIKE, DID YOU WANT TO DEFER THAT THEN?
YEAH. WE'RE FINE. WE COULD DIFFER.
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>> YES. KNOWING THAT COUNCIL THANK YOU.
WE HAVE BABIES COMING BACK ON NOW.
>> WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. I THINK KEVIN.
>> WHAT WE'RE TALKED ABOUT CAMERAS.
>> ANN, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
IT IS 01:06 P.M. COUNCIL. THANK YOU.
WE HAVE NOW ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.
THE OTHERS THAT WE HAVE ADDED THERE, ONE SECOND BEFORE WE'RE DONE.
ALL THE ITEMS WILL BE DEFERRED UNTIL THE 9 14TH AGENDA.
THE TAXI CAB ITEM, COUNCIL MEMBER LOUIS HAS SAID THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT.
SHE'S FINE TO NOT DISCUSS THAT.
WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.