[00:00:03] >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. [1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER] [NOISE] >> IT IS 9:00 AM, AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY THAT IS HERE TODAY. COUNCIL OF COURSE IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYONE. I WANT TO ESPECIALLY WELCOME OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, DAVID FINKLEA. DAVID, GLAD TO HAVE YOU. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> GOOD. ALSO THOSE THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE STAFF, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AS YOU ALWAYS ARE, AND THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE THAT MAYBE IN THE COMMUNITY ALSO THAT MAYBE MONITORING THIS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT IS 9:00 AM I'M GOING TO CALL THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON TO ORDER FOR MARCH 25TH. WE DO HAVE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE, BUT JANELLE, LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. >> MAYOR BROWN. >> PRESENT. >> MAYOR PRO TEM COLLINS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER FINKLEA. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB. >> PRESENT. >> ALL OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GET INTO ITEM 3A AND CLARIFICATION TOPICS OF OUR AGENDA, WANT TO GIVE THE COUNCIL AN UPDATE AND I'D LIKE TO MENTION TO THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ORDER OF OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON. THE CHANGE OF THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA OF CHANGE THAT WE HAVE COUNCILMAN BOUVIER'S DAUGHTER ANESA, IS GRADUATING TONIGHT FROM BALL HIGH SCHOOL AND HE HAS TO MAKE THAT GRADUATION, SO I'M GOING TO MOVE ITEMS 10A AND 10B. THE TWO ITEMS ON THE BEACH ACCESS, WE'LL MOVE THOSE UP IN FRONT OF THE PRESENTATIONS. WE'LL MOVE THOSE AND ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE THAT WANT TO COMMENT PRIOR TO US VISITING ON THESE TWO BEACH ACCESS ITEMS, THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE MOVED UP TO COINCIDE RIGHT BEFORE OUR PRESENTATION PORTION OF OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON SO WE CAN RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE ITEMS. THAT'LL BE THE CHANGE IN OUR AGENDA, THAT'LL BE ANNOUNCED, OF COURSE, THIS AFTERNOON ALSO. CONGRATULATIONS TO AN ANESA. >> THANK YOU. >> VERY GOOD. >> CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU. >> YEAH. >> GOT ANOTHER ONE THROUGH THE PROCESS. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S ONE YOU CAN CHECKOFF. ACCOMPLISH THAT. LETS HAVE ITEM 3A PLEASE, JANELLE. [3.A. Clarification Of Consent And Regular City Council Agenda Items - This Is An Opportunity For City Council To Ask Questions Of Staff On Consent And Regular Agenda Items (40 Min)] >> 3A, CLARIFICATION AND CONSENT IN REGULAR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. >> AS YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, LATER IN THE AGENDA THIS MORNING, WE HAVE SOME OF THE AGENDA ITEMS ALREADY ON OUR AGENDA HERE, BUT LET'S START AROUND THE TABLE HERE, MARIE. >> I'M JUST GETTING SET UP, PLEASE. >> BY ALL MEANS. >> THANK YOU. >> JOHN, LET'S START WITH YOU. [LAUGHTER] >> I'M GOING TO START WITH 11H. >> ELEVEN WHAT, JOHN? >> H. >> ELEVEN H. HERE COMES LEE [INAUDIBLE] >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS. THE STATE CHANGE SOME LAWS TO ALLOW THIS NOW? >> THE STATE HAD CHANGED A PAST LEGISLATION TO THAT RAILROAD FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT. IT'S BEEN A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR YEARS AND YEARS. THE TOLL ROAD USE IT. THEY MADE SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES WHICH STOPPED THE APPLICATION PROCESSES UNTIL THEY GOT SOME CLARIFICATION AND GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE IN HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED. WE'VE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH THAT AND THAT TOOK A YEAR-AND-A-HALF TO DO SO. WE HAD AN APPLICATION IN PLACE ALREADY, BUT THEY PULLED IT. UNTIL THEY GOT THE CLARIFICATION, THEY GOT THEIR CLARIFICATION, THEY PULLED OUR APPLICATION NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO USE IT AS A PILOT PROGRAM TO SEE HOW IT WORKS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FUNCTIONAL AS IT SHOULD BE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE DMV TO BE ABLE TO GET THE REGISTERED OWNER'S INFORMATION AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. [00:05:04] THIS IS ESTABLISHING A CONTRACT WITH THE DMV. WE ALREADY HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH G TECHNO FOR THE SOFTWARE THING [NOISE] >> THIS IS AMENDMENT TO THAT CONTRACT, TO ANOTHER PORTION OF IT THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REALLY, WHICH IS THE VEHICLE REGISTERED OWNER'S INFORMATION. A THIRD PARTY WILL OBTAIN THAT AND THEN THEY WILL SUBMIT THE CITATIONS. IF YOU RUN A TOLL, YOU'LL GET A CITATION IN THE MAIL, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE OUR EXISTING LIFE SPITE READER SYSTEM AND DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD. IT WILL GATHER THE DATA. WE WILL VERIFY THE DATA THAT THEY SAY IS A VIOLATION. ONCE WE VERIFY THAT THE LICENSE PLATE IN THE STATE AND EVERYTHING IS WHAT THE PICTURE DEPICTS, WE'LL APPROVE IT. IT WILL BE SUBMITTED ELECTRONICALLY, AND THEN THE PROCESS WILL START FOR GIVING THEM A TICKET. THEY'LL HAVE A TICKET WITHIN FIVE DAYS, SEVEN DAYS, WHAT WE'RE SAYING ON MY OUTSIDE, BUT WITHIN THREE TO FIVE DAYS IS WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE A CITATION. >> THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM? >> WELL, FOR THE STATE, [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT FOR US. THE STATE'S USING THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FUNCTIONAL BEFORE THEY OPEN UP THESE OTHER APPLICANTS WITHIN THE STATE. FOR THE STATE, IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM. >> WE'LL BE THE ONLY ONES DOING THIS. >> WE'LL BE THE ONLY ONES DOING IT UNTIL THEY OPEN UP AND TAKE MORE APPLICANTS. THEY HAVE THE APPLICATION THAT IS NEEDED FOR THEM. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO BE THAT AGENCY, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THIS IS GOING TO WORK. >> AS YOU ALL PATROL THESE PARKING AREAS, SEAWALL AND DOWNTOWN AND I GUESS UTMB AREA, YOU WON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR, THE OFFICER WON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR. THEY'LL JUST DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, READ THE PLATES. IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION, THEY JUST COULD SEND A TICKET. >> WELL, WHAT HAPPENS, THIS IS FOR PAY TO PARK ONLY, THIS IS NOT GOING TO THE RED ZONES, THE LOADING ZONES, OR HANDICAP CITIZENS TO TAKE INTO THOSE, IT'S JUST PAY TO PARK, AND WE'LL BE DRIVING ALONG. IT WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY SCANNING LICENSE PLATES, AND THEY'LL BE THROWING ALL THE ONES IN VIOLATION IN A FILE AND THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THEY'LL GO INTO THAT FILE AND THEY'LL APPROVE THE PLATE. ONCE IT'S APPROVED, IT GETS SENT TO QUEUE TO BE UPLOADED AND AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S UPLOADED INTO G TECHNO'S FILE. THEY WILL SEND A BATCH OF LICENSE PLATES TO DMV, DMV WILL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO G TECHNO, G TECHNO THEN WILL HAVE THE TICKET PREPARED AND MAILED OFF. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY TYPE OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION? I SEE WHAT'S IN THE PACKET HERE. >> THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IS A SPECULATION. IT COSTS $0.12 PER TEXAS REGISTERED VEHICLE AND $1.50 FOR AN OUTSIDE ONE. >> IT'S $35 PER BATCH? >> TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS PER BATCH. >> TWENTY FIVE PER BATCH. >> TWENTY FIVE PER BATCH. >> OKAY. >> THE FEES, IF WE WENT OFF OF LAST YEAR'S TICKETS, THAT'S WHAT I SET THOSE RATES OFF OF. I WOULD SPECULATE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EITHER RAISE THE RATE OF THE PARKING CITATION OR IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF OUR PROFIT. >> WHAT IS THE REVENUE FROM PARKING TOTAL? >> THE TOTAL REVENUE AS IT IS TODAY? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. >> TWENTY TWO OR 23 OR WHATEVER. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW. >> CAN WE GET THERE BEFORE MIDNIGHT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EASILY GET? [OVERLAPPING] >> HERE'S AN INTERESTING FACT IS THAT, RIGHT NOW, IT'S SPECULATIVE BECAUSE ON THE SEAWALL WE HAD ISSUES BECAUSE PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT A STOPPING IN WRITING CITATIONS. IF THERE WAS NOWHERE TO PULL IN, THEY JUST WOULDN'T GET A TICKET. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. >> NO. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S A LOT OF TICKETS THAT WEREN'T ISSUED. THIS WILL RESULT IN BEING ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN THE SEAWALL. THE TICKETS WILL BE ISSUED AS WE WON'T HAVE TO PASS ALL THE TICKETS THAT WE'RE HAVING TO PASS AND THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TICKETS DURING THE SUMMER THAT WE HAVE TO PASS BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO PULL IN AND WE WERE INSTRUCTED BY COUNSEL TO NOT BLOCK DRIVER. >> BEFORE I KNOW MARIE HAD A QUESTION ON THIS. JOHN, I WANT YOU TO GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WHAT DID YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY APPROVE THE PLATE? >> EVERY TIME THE PLATE IS READ A PICTURE IS TAKEN. [00:10:03] WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PHOTO AND THE PLATE THAT THEY'RE READING IS ACCURATE. >> GOT IT. >> MAKE SURE IT'S THE SAME STATE THAT IT SAYS IT IS. >> I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PHRASE. >> WE'RE JUST VERIFYING TO ENSURE THAT THE LICENSE PLATE THAT WE'RE SENDING TO G TECHNO IS THE ONE THAT'S IN VIOLATION. >> OKAY. >> MARIE. >> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF TICKETS ARE PAID DOWN? >> FIFTY PERCENT. >> FIFTY. BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE READ ABOUT MAILED OUT TICKETS IS THAT THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO GET PAID. BECAUSE HOW MANY PEOPLE PAY THEM BEFORE THEY LEAVE THE ISLAND? >> FEW. >> ISN'T THAT TRUE [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, IF YOU DON'T LIVE ON THE ISLAND, CHANCES OF BECOMING BACK HERE TO PAY IT OR PAYING IT, PERIOD, JUST EVERYTHING I'VE READ [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M OF ON THE FENCE WITH THIS. I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE SOMEBODY BREAKING A LAW AND THEN GETTING NOTIFIED IN THE MAIL THAT THEY BROKE THE LAW. >> IT'S HAPPENED TO ME. THE GOOD OF PEOPLE DIPOLE SENT ME A PICTURE OF MYSELF IN A RED LIGHT. I SENT THEM A PICTURE OF $20 BILL. [LAUGHTER] >> NEVER GOING BACK TO DIPOLE. >> COUNCIL, LET'S STAY WITH QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS. I KNOW WE CAN DEBATE THIS. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S A RENTED CAR, THEN IT'S SENT TO THE RENTAL COMPANY? >> IT IS. SOME ENTERPRISE IS ONE OF THEM, THEY HAVE A FUND, THEY'LL AUTOMATICALLY PAY THOSE TICKETS. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHERS, BUT I KNOW ENTERPRISE THEY HAVE A FUND ESTABLISHED IN THEIR BUDGET THAT WHENEVER THEY GET A TICKET FOR A TOLL ROAD OR PARKING OR WHATEVER, THEY AUTOMATICALLY PAY THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> DO WE LOCATE THOSE RECORDS? DO WE TRACK THAT? HOW ARE WE TRACKING ALL THIS? >> THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TRACK BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A RENTAL CAR WHEN WE'RE ISSUING THE CITATION. >> BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TYING IT TO THE OWNER AT ALL. >> NO, MA'AM. >> THIS WOULD BE TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE OWNER OF THE CAR. >> RIGHT NOW WE'RE ISSUING THE CITATION TO THE VEHICLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO ONE AROUND IT. THEN WHOEVER WOULD HAVE CARE, CUSTODY, AND CONTROL OF IT WOULD REMOVE THAT CITATION FROM THE WINDSHIELD, AND THEN THEY SHOULD BE GETTING IT TO THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE IF THEY'RE NOT THE OWNER OR PAYING IT FOR THE OWNER. WE DON'T KNOW WHO PAYS IT WHEN IT GETS PAID. >> MIKE, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> YES, SO IT TAKES A PICTURE. IS THERE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT TRIGGERS IT TO NOT HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE SAME TIME FRAME, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> CORRECT. YOU GET ONE A DAY. THE INTERNAL SOFTWARE OF THE COMPUTER WILL ONLY ALLOW ONE A DAY. [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE TICKET A DAY. >> ONE TICKET IN THAT ZONE PER DAY. >> THEN IF THEY MOVED DOWNTOWN? >> THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE, IT'S A DIFFERENT ZONES. >> AND REMEMBER THE LPR REGISTERS THE CAR, AND THEN THE NEXT PASS, IT RECOGNIZES THAT THE CAR IS STILL THERE AND HASN'T PAID. >> WE HAVE JOHN AND THEN MURRAY. JOHN. >> CAN YOU DO THIS DIFFERENTLY IN DIFFERENT ZONES? CAN YOU PUT THE SEAWALL? CAN YOU USE THIS SYSTEM IN DOWNTOWN, YOU USE THE CURRENT SYSTEM? >> I WOULD THINK YOU COULD. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE OF IT? >> I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS. I KNOW THERE'S PROBLEM WITH SEAWALL BECAUSE WE ASKED DIRECTLY TO NOT TRANSFER IT UP THERE. I DON'T REALLY LIKE BEING ISSUED THE CITATION JUST THROUGH THE MAIL. I SEE YOUR NEED FOR THIS AND I SEE SOME ADVANTAGES ON THAT SIDE, BUT ALSO, SEE THE OTHER SIDE TOO, AND I'M JUST STILL DEBATING. >> MURRAY. >> I'D HAVE TO SAY I AGREE WITH JOHN ON THAT POINT, BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ZONES. IF I'M PARKED IN 678 OR WHATEVER THE ONE IS DOWNTOWN, 876, [OVERLAPPING] >> WHATEVER IT IS, AND I GO INTO DIFFERENT BLOCKS, [00:15:01] SO IF I'M GOING INTO DIFFERENT AREAS, SO IT'LL COUNT ME AS BEING PART OF A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME? >> IF YOU'VE PAID THE PARK, THEN YOU CAN STAY ANYWHERE IN THAT ZONE AS LONG AS THAT TIME. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT IF I'M IN A TWO-HOUR PARKING ZONE. >> IF YOU'RE IN A TWO-HOUR PARKING ZONE, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE BLOCK YOU'RE IN AFTER TWO HOURS. YOU CAN'T JUST MOVE ACROSS THE STREET. YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE ENTIRE BLOCK. >> WILL THIS BE INVOLVED IN THAT, OR NOT? >> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. IT DIDN'T COST YOU TO PARK IN THE TWO-HOUR PARKING. >> THIS WILL ONLY BE PREPAID PARKING? >> YES, MA'AM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE THE METHOD BECAUSE YOU SAY THAT IT WILL SAY DRIVE DOWN THE STREET. >> YES, MA'AM. >> HOW DO YOU SCAN THAT SO QUICKLY IN DRIVING? WHAT IS THE PROCESS? >> THE LICENSE PLATE READERS THAT WE HAVE ON THE VEHICLE SCAN HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PLATES AND TO SCAN A PLATE IS IN A MICROSECOND. >> SO YOU'RE JUST CRUISING? >> YOU'RE GOING AT THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC WHAT WOULD BE AND IT PICKS THEM UP AS FAST AS IT CAN SEE THEM. >> THIS IS NOT NEW. THIS IS HOW THEY DO IT TODAY. THEY JUST DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND WHEN THE COMPUTER REGISTERS A VIOLATION, THEN THEY STOP THE CAR, THEY GET OUT AND WRITE THE TICKET. >> NOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT THOUGH. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THEY'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO CRUISE. [OVERLAPPING] >> BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE LADY GOES WHO WALKS DOWNTOWN AND GIVES OUT A TICKET. [OVERLAPPING] >> SHE MAY JUST BE GETTING OUT OF THE CAR TO WRITE A TICKET. >> YES. [OVERLAPPING] >> BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE I WAS THINKING IT WAS EASY TO DO. >> THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WALKING BITS. >> WELL, MAYBE SHE GETS OUT OF THAT AND WALK A BLOCK, AND PAY FOR LICENSE PLATE, IT SCANS THE SAME? >> SOME OF THEM IT WILL, NOT ALL OF THEM. DEPENDS ON HOW CLEAR IT IS, DEPENDS ON IF IT'S FADED. THERE IS A LOT OF FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY WITH PAPER PLATES. >> DAVID. >> NOT ON THIS TOPIC, AT THE RISKS OF USING PROHIBITED PHRASE, HOW DOES THIS WORK ON GOLF CARS? >> THE LICENSE PLATE THAT IS ON A GOLF CART, IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS ON YOUR CAR. >> BUT ISN'T IT MORE LIKELY YOU'RE NOT GOING BE ABLE TO SEE OR READ THE PLATE ON A GOLF CAR? >> DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY HAVE IT MOUNTED. >> OR HOW THEY PARK. >> THAT'S CORRECT. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU STILL GET OUT OF THE CAR, DO YOU JUST NOT REGISTERED THIS? >> THAT'S GOING TO BE A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. IF WE HAVE A PLACE WE CAN PULLOVER WHERE WE COULD GET OUT AND MANUAL ENTER IT, WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT IF IT'S A PLACE WHERE IT WOULD CAUSE AN OBSTRUCTION, THEN WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT UP. >> IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND THE READER DOESN'T PICK UP A PLATE, DOES IT LET THE OFFICER KNOW? >> YEAH. >> THEY'D BE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET WITH A GOLF CAR THERE AND IF IT DIDN'T SCAN IT, THE OFFICER WOULDN'T KNOW. >> NOT KNOW HOW TO PARK A GOLF CART. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> MURRAY HAD A QUESTION. MURRAY. >> WHAT IF IT'S A STOLEN VEHICLE, WILL IT PICK THAT UP LIKE A FLAT CAMERA DOES? >> OUR SYSTEM CURRENTLY DOES THAT RIGHT NOW. >> THEN WHAT HAPPENED? >> WE NOTIFY GPD. ACTUALLY, WE'VE RECOVERED ONE YESTERDAY. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COUNCIL? JOHN, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS SIR? >> NOT ON THIS ITEM. I GOT MORE QUESTIONS. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANKS. >> 11M AND N. >> YES. >> THEN 11S AND T, WHICH YOU'LL PROBABLY ANSWER THOSE TOO. >> YEAH. THOSE ARE ALL MINE. YOU DON'T WANT TO SKIP A ZONE. [LAUGHTER] >> I HAVE THAT ONE. [OVERLAPPING] >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. >> GOOD MORNING. >> LET'S SEE 11. >> YOU'RE STARTING WITH M AS IN MARY JOHN? >> YES. >> OKAY. SORRY. >> MASTER PLANS FOR, TELL ME WHAT THAT INVOLVES. >> CORRECT. BASICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THE WATER INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, WHETHER IT'S SYSTEM INFORMATION, PRESSURE INFORMATION, GET ALL THAT INTO A COMPUTER MODEL AND DEVELOP. BASICALLY WE'RE DOING FOR THE STORM WATER MASTER PLAN. A FULL INVENTORY OF THE SYSTEM, PUTTING THAT IN THERE, [00:20:02] RUNNING THE ANALYSIS, AND SEEING WHAT HAPPENS DURING DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR. HOW PRESSURE CHANGES WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ISLAND? WHAT HAPPENS IF A CRITICAL PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE GOES OUT AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SYSTEM? WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP A COMPUTER MODEL THAT SHOWS THE ENTIRE WATER SYSTEM AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT TOO AND COME UP WITH STRATEGIES TO EITHER INCREASE CAPACITY, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE HAVE ISSUES, HOW WE CAN FIX THOSE ISSUES WHEN YOU SEE IP PROJECTS AND TRY TO INCORPORATE THE NEW AMI SYSTEM INTO THAT AS WELL AS LOOKING AT FUTURE TRENDS THAT KEEP COMING OUT FROM EPA, WHETHER IT'S CHANGING CONTAMINANT LEVELS IN THE DRINKING WATER SYSTEM. WE'LL LOOK AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS. HAVE THEM COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF A PLAN FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR SYSTEM TO KEEP IT GOING. >> DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A WATER MASTER PLAN? >> WE HAVE AN OLD WATER MASTER PLAN. IT WAS DONE IN 1999 ORIGINALLY, IT GOT UPDATED IN 2008, AND THEN IT WAS OUTDATED AROUND 2013 AND '14 TIME-FRAMES. >> HAVE WE USED THAT WATER MASTER PLAN? >> THAT WAS BEEN USED TO GO AHEAD FORECAST CIP PROJECTS IN THE PAST. >> OKAY. WILL WE USE THAT MASTER PLAN TO HELP WITH THE NEW ONE? >> THAT INFORMATION WE PROVIDED TO THE CONSULTANT, THEY'LL HAVE THAT PLUS ALL THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, THEY'LL USE THAT TO DEVELOP THE NEW PLAN GOING FORWARD, YES. >> OKAY. THIS PLAN SEEMS A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTH THAN OUR LAST PLANS. >> I BELIEVE SO, YES. THIS ONE SHOULD BE. I THINK THE BIG COMPONENT WE'RE GOING OUT OF THIS IS TRYING TO GET A WATER MODEL THAT WE CAN OPERATE IN-HOUSE. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. IT WAS DEVELOPED OUT OF HOUSE AND IT'S OUT OF DATE. ANYTIME SOMEBODY COMES IN, WE HAVE TO SEND THEM OFF TO A CONSULTANT AND SAY, HEY, DO THIS ANALYSIS, SPEND THIS MONEY, YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, AND THEN COME UP WITH A POSSIBILITY. WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING THAT IN-HOUSE AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT. >> LAST QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LAST MASTER PLAN COST? >> I DID NOT LOOK AT THAT. I CAN GO BACK AND FIND OUT. >> ANY IDEA, DAN? >> NO, SIR. NOT ME. >> WE HAVE A QUICK COUNCILMAN FINKLEA AND THEN MARIE. >> I READ THROUGH THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE CONSULTANT AND SAW THAT INCLUDED PRESSURE TEST AND FIRE PUMP, CATALOGING, ETC. >> YES. >> YOU MENTIONED WATER QUALITY. DOES THEIR SCOPE ALSO INCLUDE ADDRESSING MUCH OF WATER QUALITY? >> THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE WATER QUALITY, YES. WE HAVE SOME NEW SENSORS THAT WE JUST PUT INTO THE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT DATA AND PROVIDE THAT TO THE CONSULTANT AND THEN USE THAT TO HELP WITH THE AGE, QUALITY, AND OTHER REPORTS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. >> OKAY. THE WATER MODEL WILL INCLUDE DOMESTIC WATER AND FIRE WATER. THEN THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT IS FOR THREE YEARS. ADMITTEDLY, I SCANNED THE DOCUMENT BUT I DID NOT FIND WHAT THE ACTUAL SCHEDULE FOR DELIVERABLES WAS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT ANTICIPATE TIME FRAME IS? >> IT SHOULD BE IN ABOUT 18-24 MONTH TIME FRAME. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. >> OKAY. MARIE. >> ARE WE ALSO GOING TO BE ADDRESSING CITY ISSUES IN THIS? >> YES, WE WILL. >> OKAY. >> THAT'LL BE PART OF THE WHETHER IT'S STORAGE CAPACITY, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT'LL BE PART OF THAT SYSTEM. WE'RE TRYING TO GET A FULL PICTURE OF WHAT IT IS TODAY, WHERE WE NEED TO BE FOR THE FUTURE. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT WITH THIS REPORT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF DIVERSIFY OUR WATER PORTFOLIO. BUT RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING COMES OVER LIKE CAUSEWAY WATERLINE. WE DON'T HAVE DESALINIZATION OR REPUTABLE REUSE, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT LOOK AT THAT AS WELL TO SEE HOW WE CAN REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON THAT ONE PIPELINE. >> WHAT WAS THE PROCESS OF BIDDING THIS OUT? DID WE BID IT OUT OR DID THEY JUST PICK SOMEONE QUALIFIED? >> WE WENT FROM THE PRE-QUALIFIED LIST. WE ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO THREE DIFFERENT VENDORS, STANTECH, HCR, AND FRED NICKELS. WE HAD EACH OF THEM SUBMIT A STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS. WE LOOKED AT THOSE FIRST THREE AND NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE TOP TWO, AND THEN WE INTERVIEWED THOSE TOP TWO FIRMS TWICE, AND THEN WE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE BOTTOM ONE AND STARTED NEGOTIATING FOR FRED NICKELS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> SURE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FROM A WATER LOSS STANDPOINT. LAST TIME I CHECKED, WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB HERE IN THE CITY. WE PROBABLY HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF WATER LOSS. IT'S LOWER THAN MOST CITIES AROUND. I REALLY TAKE MY HAT OFF TO STAN FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS ANOTHER STEP MORE ORGANIZED MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. MIKE, YOU HAD A QUESTION, SIR. >> THERE AGAIN. WHY DON'T WE BID THESE THINGS? THIS IS A MILLION THREE. WHY NOT BE COMPETITIVE? >> WE'VE GOT A QUALIFICATIONS-BASED SELECTION. [OVERLAPPING] >> I GUESS EVERYBODY'S QUALIFIED. >> IN CASE IF WE BID THAT WAY, WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND WORK DIRECTLY WITH A FIRM AND NEGOTIATE THE PRICE. IF WE COME TO A PRICE WE DON'T LIKE, THEN YOU GUYS CAN SAY, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS. GO BACK AND TALK TO ANOTHER STATE. IT'S JUST THE STATE LAW. >> STATE LAW SAYING IF YOU HAVE A QUALIFIED VENDOR, YOU HAVE TO USE THE BIDDERS OUT OF OR THAT YOU HAVE TO USE THE QUALIFIED PERSON? >> NO. FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. ANYTIME YOU'RE DEALING WITH PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, YOU HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND YOU CAN'T PICK BASED ON PRICE. [00:25:01] YOU HAVE TO PICK BASED ON REFERENCE QUALIFICATIONS, YOU NEGOTIATE YOUR PROJECT FROM THERE, AND THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE IT DOES FOR CONTRACTORS. >> JOHN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO. >> NOT ON THIS ONE, BUT THE NEXT ONE. IT ACTUALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE PRE-QUALIFIED ENGINEERING LIST. KJ WAS THE ONE SELECTED HERE. IT'S A MUCH SMALLER PROJECT $250,000, IT'S STILL A LOT OF MONEY. WHAT MADE YOU ALL SELECT KJ? >> WE'VE TALKED WITH KIM WARREN. THE PRE-QUALIFIED ENGINEERING LIST IS WHAT WE DID. WE DID THAT LAST YEAR, WE WENT THROUGH A REVIEW OF 42 DIFFERENT FIRMS TO GO AHEAD AND SEE WHAT THEY WERE QUALIFIED FOR AND PUT TOGETHER THE MASTER LIST SAYING BASED ON THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, WHAT THEY SUBMITTED, THEY'RE QUALIFIED TO DO WORK IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. WE LOOKED AT THE ONES, THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR WATER PROJECTS, AND KIM WARREN HAD GOOD EXPERIENCE WORKING IN THIS REALM. WE FELT THAT IT'D BE WORTH IT TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS PROJECT. BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE PRE-QUALIFIED LIST, WE WERE ABLE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THEM. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR REVIEW PROCESS. >> THIS ONE, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY ONE YOU ALL TALKED WITH? >> YEAH, WE WENT STRAIGHT TO KIM WARREN ON THIS ONE. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I GOT THERE. >> DO YOU WANT TO COMPARE ROADS AND SEE YOU? >> YES. >> IT'S ON MY LIST. >> YEAH. >> HERE WE GO. >> GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. >> ANYWAY, ON THIS MID-LANE INDUSTRIES WHO SEEMS TO GET A LOT OF PROJECTS. I KNOW WE HAD AN ITEM NOT TOO LONG AGO WHERE THEY GAVE US BACK MONEY AND NOW WE'RE INCREASING IT. >> IT'S A DECREASE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S A DECREASE AGAIN. >> THIS IS THE END OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS GOING THROUGH RECONCILING ALL THE DIFFERENT BID ITEMS THAT WEREN'T USED AND TURNING MONEY BACK TO THE CITY. THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT. >> DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> I DO. >> YES SIR. >> ARE WE DONE? IS THIS DONE ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE BOARD? THERE'S A LOT WATER RUNNING INTO THE CHANNEL. >> YES. >> BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> CORRECT. >> TRUST ME, I LIVED VERY CLOSE TO THIS PROJECT. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME HANG-UP ONCE WE GOT ACROSS HARBOR SIDE GETTING TO THE OUTFLOW. >> WE HAD TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT HEAD WALL DESIGN, EVERYTHING ELSE. >> YEAH. >> THAT HAS BEEN SQUARED AWAY, THAT IS FUNCTIONING NOW, THE LAST PIECE THAT WAS HOLDING THAT DRAINAGE UP IS WE HAD A DIVERSION BY STRAND TO GO AHEAD AND PUSH WATER DOWN IN THE CANTER, [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S BEEN BUSTED OUT FROM NOW; IS THIS FUNCTIONAL? >> 18TH 19TH BOTH FLOW INTO THE CHANNEL? >> YEAH. >> ARE WE SURE ALL OF THE DRAINS ARE CONNECTED? ALL OF THE OLD ONES BECAUSE WHEN IT RAINS IT RAINS A LOT OF THINGS BACK UP AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DEAL WITH THAT. BUT I'VE HAD A CONSISTENT SET OF COMPLAINTS AROUND THE AREA OF 20 AND BALL 17TH, 18TH, THAT THOSE ARE NOT DRAINING SOMETIMES THEY DON'T RECONNECT SYSTEM. >> WE NEED IN PARTICULAR THE INLETS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE INTERSECTION, THE EXISTING ONES ON WHEN YOU WEREN'T CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THE BOX, THE EXISTING HISTORIC LANDMARKS. >> YES. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> BEFORE 19. >> IT GOES TO 19TH STREET >> SO THAT WAS TAKEN OFF OF THE SYSTEM. THAT WAS KEPT ON THE EXISTING SYSTEM THAT THEY WENT TO, THE NEW INLETS THAT WERE INSTALLED, THEY'RE TIED DIRECTLY TO THE NEW BOX. >> ONE SIDE GOES TO 19TH. ONE THAT GOES NEEDS TO THE 18TH? >> YES. >> BUT THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED? >>THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED. >> COUNCIL, AS A PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, TEXAS GAS SERVICE WAS REQUIRED TO RELOCATE A NUMBER OF GAS LINES CROSSING 18TH STREET AS A PART OF THAT TODAY, DIRECTIONAL BORING FROM ONE SIDE OF THE OTHER, IMPACTING THE ASPHALT PAVING ON THE STREET AND THEN JUST REPLACING IT WITH DIRT AND AGGREGATE. IS MAIN LANE INDUSTRY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPAIR AND PATCHING OF THOSE AREAS? >> NOT FOR THE UTILITY COSTS. THE CITY HAS THE STREET THOUGH, IT DOESN'T KNOW IT OVERLAYS WE HAVE THE IN-HOUSE CRUISE THAT HANDLES THOSE UTILITY PATCHES AND THEN WE GO AHEAD AND PROPORTIONALLY BILL [OVERLAPPING] >> FOR THE REPAIRS. >> OKAY. I'LL GET YOU A LIST OF THOSE LOCATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> GREAT. >> YOU SAID WITH THE BACK FLOW WHEREVER THE OUTFLOW VALVE AT THE PORT THAT WE FIX IT, WE MEANING MAINLANE OR THE CITY? >> MAINLANE IS THE CREW THAT DID THE WORK SO THAT IS WHAT HAD BEEN CONSTRUCTED. YES. THEN PLUGGED IT WAS PUT IN THERE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY PURPOSELY PUT IN THERE TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THAT AIR TO DRAIN WHILE THEY WERE CONSTRUCTING THE WORK BETWEEN HARBOR SIDE AND THE OUTLET. WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH AND TOOK THAT BLOCK OUT, THEY WERE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE THAT DIVERSION. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING IN THE CONTRACT. >> OKAY. >> JOHN, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT ITEM? [00:30:01] >> 11S AND 11 T. >> OKAY. >> THIRTY SEVEN STREET FROM BROADWAY TO SEAWALL TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS HERE, BUT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH. JUST GIVE ME A RECAP ON WHY WE CUT OUT SOME OF THE SCOPE OF THAT PROJECT. >> LOOKING AT ENGINEERING DESIGNS, WE'VE GOTTEN INTO CONSTRUCTION. THE DESIGN WAS SET IN A MANNER THAT HE DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TO POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO INSTALLING PIPES, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE FOUND WITH 45TH STREET. THERE WERE CONFLICTS THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THE DESIGN THAT WEREN'T CLEARED OR TAKEN CARE OF. AS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO CONSTRUCTION, WE FOUND THAT THERE ARE MORE OF THOSE THAN WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE AN EFFECTIVE SYSTEM COME OUT OF PROJECTS THAT IS THE ISSUE. TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT WE HAD A FUNCTIONING SYSTEM BEFOREHAND. THE PROCESS AND THE THOUGHT IS FOR THIS PROJECT WE HAVE STORMGREEN WATER AND THEY LOCALIZED SANITARY SEWER TO THE LOCATIONS. THEN THE SURFACE WAS GOING TO BE PULLED US AT THE INTERSECTIONS TO GO AHEAD AND CREATE THE AESTHETIC. HOWEVER, THE BULL BOUTS CAUSE MORE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAN THERE ARE. LOOKING AT THOSE ISSUES PLUS THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN UNDERGROUND, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND COME UP WITH A FUNCTIONAL WATER SYSTEM ALL THE WAY FROM BROADWAY TO SEAWALL. WE HAVE SOME LOCALIZED SEWER CROSSINGS AT THE ALLEYS WHERE THERE ARE IMPACTS AND THEN THE STORE GRAIN IS WHERE THE BIG ISSUE IS. THE WHOLE AREA TO THE SOUTH OF AVENUE O WAS ALL SURFACE DRAINAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S WE'RE FINDING THE PAST, BECAUSE THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS. SOME OF THE ELEMENTS GOT INSTALLED AT P AND P AND A HALF THAT CURRENTLY ARE NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TRUNK SYSTEM AND THE STRAWBERRY AND THEN WENT SOUTH AVENUE. >> IN THIS PROJECT OR IN THE PAST? >> ORIGINALLY. BUT NOW I'M BLENDING THE TWO TOGETHER. >> OKAY. >>THE ORIGINAL WAS THE SYSTEM STOPPED AT O. NEW CONSTRUCTION HAPPENED WHERE STUFF GOT INSTALLED AT P AND IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO AVENUE O YET, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SEEING SOME FLOODING ISSUES AT THAT LOCATION AND IT'S NOT DRAINING. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS CUT OUT SOMEONE STARTED RING SYSTEM AND THE SURFACE FEATURES TO GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THAT NEW DRAINAGE THAT GOT INSTALLED AT P TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM AT 0, WHICH WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT NEW PONDING THAT WE HAVE. CONTINUING NOW, NEW STORMGREEN GETS INSTALLED BETWEEN BROADWAY AND AVENUE K, SORRY, AVENUE L AND THEN THERE'S AN EXISTING SYSTEM AT AVENUE M, THAT GOES TO 0 AND THAT'S GOING TO STAY AS IT IS, WE'LL RECONSTRUCT A FEW OF THE INLETS AND TAKE OUT A LOT OF THAT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO PAIR THIS BACK AND TRY TO MOVE ON AND GET THIS RUNNING. >> FROM P TO C WALL,. >> YES. >>ALL SERVICE DRAINS. >> IT'S ALL STREET FLOW. >> ALL STREET FLOW. THEN DID I READ IN HERE THAT THE MILL AND OVERLAY IS TAKEN OUT OF THE PROJECT TOO? >>YES. I WANT TO TAKE THE MILL AND OVERLAY OUT THIS PART OF THE PROJECT AND COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT CONTRACT TO GO AHEAD AND GET A MILL AND OVERLAY OVER THE OWN PROJECT. >> WE ARE DOING THE MILL AND OVERLAY. >> THE INTENTIONS IS TO STILL DO THE OVERLAY. I JUST WANT TO STRIP IT OUT OF THIS CONTRACT AND DO IT SEPARATELY. >>HOW LONG WILL THAT DELAY? >> RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE WORK THAT HAS TO GO ON ON THE UNDERGROUND WORK WOULD BE COMPLETED AROUND JANUARY 4TH, IS THE TENTATIVE TIMEFRAME RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT OVERLAYING, TAKEN CARE OF TO GET IT DONE. >>THIS PROJECT THE UTILITIES WON'T BE DONE UNTIL JANUARY? >>THAT IS PLANNED THAT THERE'S THE POTENTIAL THAT THE CONTRACT THEY WILL MOVE FASTER AND GET IT DONE SOONER. BUT. >>WHEN DID THEY START ON THIS PROJECT? >>SO THEY STARTED JUNE OF 22. >>THAT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. [LAUGHTER] >> I GO THE WAY THAT. >> WE HAD MIKE AND THE COUNSELOR,. >> ARE YOU DONE? >> HOW MUCH WILL THE MIDDLE AND OVERLAY COST US TO DO? >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE CURB BIT NUMBERS YET ON IT. I NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. >> ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT INTERNAL OR EXTERNAL? >> WE'LL PROBABLY HIRE THIS ONE OUT TO GO AND KEEP OUR CREWS WORKING ON THE CITY STREETS AND NOT HAVE TO DO IT A BLOCK OR TWO AT A TIME. IT'S PRETTY EFFICIENT IN THAT RESPECTIVE. >> OKAY. WAS THIS THE PROJECT I READ THAT, THEY DIDN'T START BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET SUPPLIES? >> THAT WAS PART OF IT, YES. THERE WAS A DELAY ORIGINALLY. THIS PROJECT PAID BACK IN OCTOBER OF '21 AND THEN THERE WAS THE MATERIAL SHORTAGES AND ESCALATION, SO IT DELAYED PROCUREMENT OF MATERIALS. THEY REACHED OUT TO THEIR SUPPLIERS. THEY SAID THERE WAS A SIX-MONTH LEAD TIME ON STEEL AGO AND FABRICATE BOXES. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, TRICKLE-DOWN CARRYOVER BASED ON CONDITIONS WE CAN'T CONTROL. >> YOU'RE MENTIONING THE STORM DRAIN PROP INLETS FROM 45 WAS THE SAME PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE HAVING ON THIS ONE? >> IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 45TH STREET GOT DONE. [00:35:01] THEY IMPROVED THE UPWARD END OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, FOR INSTANCE, SO WE'RE CONSTRUCTING WHAT'S DOWNSTREAM, BUT THEY MADE IMPROVEMENTS THERE. IN SOME OTHER SITUATIONS, THERE WERE SANITARY SEWER LINES THAT WERE RUNNING AT THE SAME ELEVATION. THEY GOT TO PUT IN DIRECTLY IN CONFLICT WITH THE FLOW LINE OF THE PIPE. THIS PROJECT HAD A SIMILAR THING GOING ON WHICH WOULD CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAN HELP. >> IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO BEFORE THESE PROJECTS ARE PUT TO BID AS FAR AS EXPLORATION, SAFE DIGGING, OR POT HOLLING TRYING TO FIND OUT THESE ELEVATIONS, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THEM CLAMORING TO SEE IF THESE THINGS DO DEAD END AND WE HAVE AN ISSUE THERE. >> YES. >> BECAUSE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING THE SAME [NOISE] ISSUE OVER AND OVER. >> UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS LATENCY ON BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS, POT HOLLING WAS NOT PERFORMED AS PART OF THE DESIGN. THAT'S WHAT WAS SHOWN THAT THE TIME IS TO NOT DO THAT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND YES, WE WOULD HAVE NO CONFLICTS EXIST AND HOW TO WORK AROUND THOSE. >> WE HAVE COUNCILMAN FINKLEA. STAFF REPORT OPTION B, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE CURRENT HOLDOUTS AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVES OF THE DRAINAGE DESIGN SYSTEM. MY QUESTION IS, IN THE FUTURE, DO YOU INTEND TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER PROJECT, TO PUT BACK INTO THOSE TYPES OF PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS? >> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS, ALL OVER THE ISLAND WITH ROSIE AND PEDESTRIAN CONFLICTS. IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT MORE AS AN ENTIRE SYSTEM-WIDE APPROACH VERSUS JUST ONE SINGLE LOCATION. >> I AGREE. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> JOHN. >> I'M GOING TO ASK IF YOUR ADDRESS WAS HAVING ISSUES SPECIFICALLY WITH THE BULBOUS INTERSECTION, IS THE BULBOUS INTERSECTION CAUSING PROBLEMS? >> BY CONSTRUCTING THEM? YES. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GO AHEAD AND BUILD A FULL STORM DRAIN SYSTEM, WE WOULD HAVE NEW PLACES FOR THE WATER, AND UPON THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOWNSTREAM. [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT SO MUCH OF THAT DESIGN, BUT WHEN YOU DON'T PUT, PROPER DRAINAGE IN TO FACILITATE DESIGNER'S THREE OR THE CURVES, YOU GOT PROBLEMS. >> YOU GOT PROBLEMS >> OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> ON 45TH STREET, IS THAT SOME OF OUR PROBLEMS ON 45TH STREET CURRENTLY? >> I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES ON 45TH STREET THAT WE'RE FINDING IS WE HAVE SANITARY SEWER THAT'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE FLOW LINE OR THE STORM DRAIN PIPE. BASICALLY, YOU HAVE THAT KIND OF OBSTRUCTION, WHERE THE WATER HAS TO GO AHEAD AND BUILD UP OVER THAT SEWER PIPE TO GO IN FLOW. WE'RE HAVING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, WE'RE WORKING TO TRY AND FIX SOME OF THAT. BUT ALSO, WE HAVE A LOT MORE VOLUME GETTING INTO THE SYSTEM, AND THAT COLLECTION POINT NOW THAN THERE WAS BEFORE, AND IT'S ALL PUSHING A BIG MOUNTAIN OF WATER TO AN EXISTING RESTRICTION. YOU HAVE WHATEVER WAS IN THE PREVIOUS SYSTEM PLUS MORE WATER IN THERE FASTER WHICH CAUSES THINGS TO COME TO YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, JOHN? >> NOT FOR ROB. I DON'T THINK. >> TALKING ABOUT THE FIBER CONCRETES AND THE OTHER SEA PLANTS. >> COMING UP. [BACKGROUND] >> VERY GOO, DAVID. WE GOT TO UPDATE ON ITEM 12B, POINTS THROUGH THE BOARDS. [OVERLAPPING] >> BY ALL MEANS. >> PARTICULARLY ITEM 3 PARKS AND REC, ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS ON 45TH DISTRICT STREET. >> WE'RE GOING TO WORK AROUND BUT GO READ. >> I WANTED TO SAY THAT THE CITY STAFF LET ME KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE APPLICANT FOR THE OPEN VACANT POSITION TO BE RUN THROUGH SEPTEMBER 2023, MR. BLAIR ALEXANDER. I REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION. I ACTUALLY MET WITH HIM IN PERSON AND PREPARED TO BRING FORWARD HIS OWN NATION. >> WONDERFUL. >> I WILL DISCUSS MORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE COUNSEL ON IT. >> WE'LL ENTERTAIN THAT IS WHERE YOU GET TO THAT THIS AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JOHN? >> NO, SIR. >> SHARON. >> NO, I THINK JOHN HIT ME ON THAT. >> VERY GOOD. MIKE. >> 11Q. [BACKGROUND] >> I GUESS ARE WE BUYING GARBAGE CANS? ARE WE BUYING THE SYSTEM TO PICK THE GARBAGE CANS UP? >> NO MORE CANS, THE TOTES. THE TOTE, HOW MANY? WAS IT 95? >> NO. [00:40:01] >> IT SAYS QUANTITY TO ORDER 560. >> WHEN YOU GO THROUGH A LOT OF TOTES. >> YEAH. IT'S FOR REPLACEMENTS AND GROWTH. >> EXCUSE ME, SIR. IF YOU CAN FURTHER INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> I'M SORRY, I'M DUSTIN BENDER. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF SANITATION. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S STANDARD INVENTORY AND WE THINK WE JUST CARRY ONE SIZE, THE 95-GALLON. >> OKAY. >> YOU SAID THESE ARE 5,199 EACH. >> SORRY. >> NO, GO AHEAD. YOU GOT HELPED ME. >> I THINK IT'S ABOUT 560 EVAL. >> THAT'S A FULL TRUCKLOAD. WE GET SO AFRAID OF BALANCING DOWN OUR LANDED COSTS. >> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE WORKED ON THESE? >> FEBRUARY, I THINK. >> WE'D GO THROUGH SOME TRASH CANS. >> IS THAT REPLACEMENTS OR NEW OR LOW? >> NOW IT'S LIKE A 6-8 WEEK BACKLOG. >> THEY CAN PROVE THAT, >> FINE. WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT THREE. >> WE JUST HAD ONE OF THESE, SO I'LL BE CALLING. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S JUST THE DELIVERY. WE'RE NOT OUT OF THEM. IT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THEM OUT. >> BUT YOU CAN PICK IT UP. >> THAT'S IT. >> VERY GOOD. ERIC. >> I HAVE ONE WHICH WAS 11F. >> 11F. THANK YOU, JUSTIN. 11F. HEY, GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY QUESTION COMES FROM, FOR A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, WHICH I FELT WE WERE GOING AWAY FROM THAT NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNTS BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE AT 11,000 SOMETHING, AND NOT TO EXCEED, THEY TYPICALLY BOTH MAKE SURE THEY ACHIEVE THAT. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS LEFT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IF THIS WAS A CONTRACT AND THEN TO THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT FROM 2018 AND THEN EXPIRES THIS NOVEMBER. >> OKAY. WE'RE RENEWING IT? >> NO, WE HAD TO DO AN AMENDMENT TO IT. >> OKAY. >> BECAUSE OF INFLATION, THE COST OF THE ENVELOPES, BECAUSE THE EXISTING CONTRACT HAD THE NOT-TO-EXCEED, WE HAD TO BRING IT BEFORE COUNCILS BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO EXCEED IT. >> EXCEED IT. I GOT YOU. I JUST WOULD LIKE NUMBER C NOT TO EXCEED. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ANYTHING ELSE MA'AM? >> HANDS UP. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN FINKLEA. ANYTHING, SIR, ON THE AGENDA YOU WANT IT TO BREAK UP? >> NO, SIR. THANK YOU. >> WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS LATER ON. >> VERY GOOD. THE ONLY THING I WOULD MENTION ON THE ITEM 11G COUNCIL, WE HAVE A LITTLE PROCLAMATION OR [NOISE] >> TRADITION THIS AFTERNOON ON OUR AGENDA FOR THAT CONTRIBUTION. I THINK GEE FOCI WILL BE WITH US THIS AFTERNOON ALSO TO RECEIVE THAT AND RECOGNIZING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE GENEROUSLY GIVEN TO THE CITY. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE ON THEN. IF WE COULD, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3D, PLEASE JANELLE. [3.B. Discussion And Update Of The City’s Stormwater Master Plan (B Cook - 60 Min)] >> 3D, DISCUSSION AND UPDATE OF THE CITY STORMWATER MASTER PLAN. >> BRANDON IS HERE. SIT HERE, BRANDON. YOU GOT TO SIT UP HERE AND WE GOT TO SIT DOWN THERE. >> ARE COPIES AS WELL AS THE DIGITALS. >> OH, GOOD. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL CAN- THAT'S JUST FINE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HERE WE GO. [BACKGROUND] >> FOR THE RECORD. [BACKGROUND] [LAUGHTER] >> BRANDON, DID YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE THIS BEFORE WE START? >> YES. I'LL DO THAT FIRST SLIDE, THE NEXT ONE THAT'S COMING UP. REALLY THIS IS THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. IN A NUTSHELL, IS JUST GOING TO TELL US WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY, WHERE WE'RE GOING FORWARD. THE REAL MEETING OF THE DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE REVOLVING AROUND THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED AROUND THE ISLAND ON THERE, [NOISE] >> OMINOUS CAN. >> WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REALLY THE PRESENTATION TO ABOUT 30 MINUTES, TO ALLOW SUFFICIENT TIME FOR DISCUSSION, [00:45:01] DIALOGUE, AND GET COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK ON EVERYTHING. PUT TO THE NEXT SLIDE JANELLE. EVERYTHING THAT'S UP HERE IS IN YOUR PACKET AND THEN MOSTLY WE'LL FOLLOW THROUGH. WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN MOSTLY FOLLOW ALONG IN FRONT OF YOU AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE JUMPING AROUND. >> WE JUST WE BEGAN THE PROJECT FEBRUARY 2022, DID A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION SIMILAR TO THE WATER MASTER PLAN. WE'RE DEVELOPING A SOFTWARE MODEL. WE HAVE DEVELOPED BETWEEN MAY AND DECEMBER. WE'VE HELD A COUPLE OF TOWN HALL TYPE MEETINGS ON IT TO REALLY REFINE THAT MODEL AND RECEIVE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON TO VALIDATE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT THERE IN THE FIELD. RIGHT NOW WE'RE HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPOSAL ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS. WE'RE GOING TO BRING OUT MORE OF THE HIGH LEVEL TYPE PROJECTS. THAT IS TO SAY EXPENSIVE AS WELL PROJECTS. THEN REALLY OUR NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE AFTER WE GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL. WHETHER WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE TO WHITTLE IT DOWN AND START IDENTIFYING LITTLE SMALL ONE-OFF INTERSECTIONS THAT MAY BE HOLDING WATER FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND THEN TO START ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ONES AT THAT POINT. THIS IS WILLIAM CONNELY, THE LAN. HE IS PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT AND I'M GOING TO HAND IT OVER TO HIM SO HE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. >> SURELY. >> NICE TO MEET YOU. >> AS I SAID, THE SLIDESHOW OF THE PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS ALL ENCOMPASSING AND IT WORKS HIS WAY ACROSS THE ISLAND. NORMAL READING, LEFT TO RIGHT AND WEST AND EAST. WE GOING TO JUMP AROUND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO GET TO. FIRST SET OF INFORMATION IS OUR 18 PROJECT AREAS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, THE WORST AREAS THAT NEEDED SOME HELP. WE HAVE SOME DAMAGED CENTER INVESTIGATIONS. WE HAVE PRIORITIZATION OF PROBLEM AREAS. A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION IS WHAT CAME OUT OF THE BASELINE MODELS WHERE WE LOOKED AT, WHAT ARE THE TRUE PROBLEM AREAS? WHAT ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OUT HERE? THEN [NOISE] >> THE DESCRIPTION IS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO SOLVE EACH OF THESE 18 AS BRANDON SAID HIGH-LEVEL PROBLEM AREAS, HIGH-LEVEL MEANING LARGER STORM EVENTS, HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE. I PLAN TO GO THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY. A LOT OF THIS STUFF CAN BE REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT TO SAVE YOU ALL'S TIME, I'M GOING TO FLY THROUGH IT AND JUMP AROUND. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE PAGE IN HERE BECAUSE A LOT OF IS THE SAME INFORMATION, JUST A DIFFERENT AREA. ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN EVERY SINGLE LITTLE THING IN HERE AND TAKE OFF TIME FOR THAT. AFTER THE PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS, WE GET INTO SOME OF OUR BASELINE METRICS. >> IS THERE A WAY I CAN CONTROL THIS? [BACKGROUND] >> THIS IS ONE OF THE METRICS WE USE TO EVALUATE PROBLEM AREAS AND DAMAGES. DAMAGES CENTERS FOR LACK OF BETTER VERBIAGE. WE'VE LOOKED AT OVERLAPPING DATASETS AND HOW THEY STARTED TO PRIORITIZE AND IDENTIFY AREAS THAT NEEDED SOME HELP. WE'VE LOOKED AT FLOODING STRUCTURES, REPETITIVE LOSSES, THE DEPTH OF FLOODING AGAINST THE ROADS, THE DURATION OF FLOODING ON THE ROADS, INTERSECTION DEPTH AND DURATION, AS WELL AS THE PROXIMITY TO CRITICAL FACILITIES, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, AND CHURCHES. WELL CHURCHES BECAUSE OF PLACES TO RUN TO AN EMERGENCY, PLACES IT TAKEOVER SHELTERS. HOSPITALS AND FIRE STATIONS, THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO GET TO IN A BIG FLOOD EVENT. THEY GET A LITTLE HIGHER TIE BREAK FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, ON AN AREA THAT'S A NO MAN'S LAND. IF THEY'RE THE SAME SCORE THEN FIXING AN AREA NEAR A HOSPITAL AND NEAR A FIRE STATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN FIXING THEM TO ONE THAT'S OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. IF THEY TIEBREAK. WE TOOK ALL THAT INFORMATION, WE OVERLAPPED THEM AND SCORED AND RANKED THEM. ACROSS THE ISLAND, EVALUATED EVERYTHING OUT HERE AND WE STARTED SCORING THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR, AGAIN, TOP 25 PROBLEM AREAS ACROSS THE ISLAND. YOU'LL SEE LITTLE POCKETS OF ORANGE AND RED START TO IDENTIFY AREAS THAT HAVE OVERLAPPING DEFICIENCIES WITH A STORM SEWER SYSTEM. YOU'RE REALLY SENSITIVE. >> YES. >> AGAIN, MOST OF THE STEPS IN YOUR PACKAGE YOU CAN SEE AND LOOK AT AS WE GET THROUGH IT. IT GETS TO THIS POINT. THEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT HOW IT'S QUICK. [00:50:05] >> THANKS. THE SPACE TRAP ON. >> IT'S THE MEANS IT MOVES. >> YES, THAT'S LOT EASIER. THANK YOU. >> EACH OF THE CIRCLES CORRELATE TO THE DAMAGED CENTERS. THEY ALSO CORRELATE TO A PROJECT AREA. THIS IS EXHIBIT 38. IF YOU'RE IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU WANT TO FOLLOW ALONG. YOU CAN FORWARD TO JUMP TO PAGE 38, THAT IS THE EAST END OF THE ISLAND. ALSO THE STRAND AREA. EACH AREA HAD A SCORE. WE RANKED AND PRIORITIZED THE PROBLEM AREAS BASED ON THEIR SCORE AND WE STARTED TO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS FOR HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE. THE IMPROVEMENTS WE LOOKED AT WHERE PUMP STATIONS, BACKWARD PREVENTERS, [NOISE] >> TRUNK LINE IMPROVEMENTS, AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. AS WE STARTED RUNNING DIFFERENT STORM EVENTS, WE HAVE ALL THE EVENTS, THE FIVE-YEAR, 10-YEAR, 25, AND 100-YEAR TYPES OF EVENTS. FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY WE'VE DOCUMENTED THE 10 AND 100 MID-LEVEL STORM AND A HIGH-LEVEL STORM. AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THE STRUCTURE FLOODING FROM LOCAL RAINFALL IS RELATIVELY MINIMAL. MOST OF THE STRUCTURE FLOODING THAT HAPPENS OUT HERE IS LARGE SURGE EVENTS, HURRICANE LEVEL STUFF. IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THIS EFFORT. OUR EFFORT WAS BASED ON LOCAL RAINFALL EVENTS. WHAT CAN WE DO TO FIX THE STREETS, MAKE THEM BETTER? THERE REALLY ISN'T A WHOLE LOT OF REPETITIVE LOSS IN THE HOUSES FROM A BIG RAIN LOCALLY. MOST OF THE STRUCTURES ARE ARMORED UP TO HURRICANE LEVEL STEPS SO THEY CAN SURVIVE PRETTY WELL. A LOT OF OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN GEARED AROUND DEPTH AND DURATION AND THE ROADWAYS AND PONDING ACROSS FIELDS. IF THERE IS STRUCTURAL FLOOD, OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE THAT. BUT THE DEPTH AND DURATION HAS BEEN OUR KEY MEASURING TOOLS WE'VE BEEN USING. REDUCING THE DURATION, TAKING THE STREET THEY USED TO PLAY FOR FOUR, SIX, EIGHT HOURS AND MAKING THEM ONE 2 HOURS IS A BENEFITS. IT ALLOWS THE SEED TO GET BACK TO LIFE AFTER A TUESDAY SHOWER, AS WELL AS REDUCING THE DEPTHS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. DEPTH AND DURATION HAVE BEEN THE METRICS THAT ARE IN THESE EXHIBITS. AGAIN, GO TO EXHIBIT 39. THIS IS OUR 10-YEAR DEPTH REDUCTION MAP BETWEEN EXISTING BASELINE AND OUR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS FOR A 10-YEAR EVENT. AGAIN, EXHIBIT 39 FOR THIS AREA. EACH ONE OF THESE IS A PROJECT, EACH ONE AS BEING AN ITEMIZED, YOU SEE THERE'S THE NUMBERS ON THE BLACK SQUARES CORRELATE TO THE TABLE THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE IT. YOU CAN SEE THAT AN AREA WOULD HAVE FOR EXAMPLE, 7/10 REDUCTION, ALMOST A FOOT OF REDUCTION IN THE 10-YEAR EVENT. SOMETHING THAT USED TO BE 10 HOURS NOW IS ONLY PONDERED FOR THREE HOURS. THAT STREET IS PRETTY DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED. NOT COMPLETELY SOLVED, WHICH IS ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS OUT HERE. HIGH TIDE, STORM SURGE, AND THINGS LIKE THAT LIMITS HOW MUCH WE CAN TRULY REDUCE THE WATER DEPTH. BUT THE DURATION HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR BIG DRIVING FORCES. AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO FLIP THROUGH. YOU ALL CAN LOOK AT THIS AS YOU NEED. THIS IS THE DURATION REDUCTION. YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH IMPACTS ACROSS THE ISLAND. I MEAN, EVEN DRAMATICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE ZONE OF WHERE THE PROJECTS ARE, YOU ARE GETTING REACHES OF IMPACTS, REACHES A BENEFITS, 8/10TH STREETS AWAY FROM A PROJECT. I THINK JEREMY, YOU RECENTLY RAN, WAS IT 33RD STREETS IMPROVEMENTS? THE TRUNK LINE ON 33RD NOW, THE BLUISH LINE. IF YOU RUN THAT BY ITSELF AND THE TENURE EVENT, IT HELPS THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. BUT WHEN YOU RUN IT IN THE HUNDREDS. NOTHING ELSE OVER HERE. YOU STILL GET CONTINUATION OF BENEFITS SOUTH OF BROADWAY ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE 19TH STREET BECAUSE THE WATER JUST WORKS THAT WAY WHEN IT CAN'T GET INTO PIPES IT GOES TO THE NEXT SYSTEM OVER AND IT KEEPS WORKING ITS WAY ACROSS THE STRAND AREA. WE ALSO HAVE SEEN VERY INTERESTING. BROADWAY IS A PRETTY GOOD IMPEDIMENTS STUFF SOUTH ABROAD. WE REALLY CAN'T GET ACROSS IT. WORKING TO GET THOSE TRUNK LINES TO THE SOUTH SIDE, RUNNING SOME FINGERS FOR LACK OF BETTER TERM, THE TRUNK LINE LATERALS THAT ALLOW US TO PICK UP THAT FLOW AND INTERCEPT THAT SHEET FLOW BEFORE IT BECOMES UNCONTROLLED AND WORKS ITS WAY ACROSS THE AREA. WE CAN GET IT INTO A SYSTEM AND GET IT TO THE PORT AREA, THE BASE SIDE. LARGE TRUNK LINES, LARGE LATERALS, AND PUMP STATIONS GIVE YOU SOME EXTRA DEPTH. HAVING SOME MORE POSITIVE FLOW. THE DEPTH IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SOLVER OUT HERE. [00:55:01] BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A PUMP. YOU START TALKING ABOUT PUMP, YOU START TALKING ABOUT BIG PUMPS BECAUSE A FIVE CFS PUMPED IS STILL EXPENSIVE, BUT A 500 CFS PUMP OR A 50 CFS PUMPS EVEN MORE. THESE ARE NOT SMALL PROJECTS. AS BRANDON SAID, THESE ARE OUR HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE PROJECTS. THESE ARE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO NEED SOME COORDINATION GRANT FUNDS. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE ABOUT FUNDING OPTIONS. BUT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, THESE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS. THINGS WORKING WITH BRANDON AND HIS TEAM AND ROB. A LOT OF THE ALIGNMENTS HAVE BEEN EVALUATED BASED ON UTILITY CONFLICTS, OTHER PIPES IN THE RURAL ROADS TRYING TO AVOID STUFF THAT WAS RECENTLY BUILT. YOU NOTICED 37TH STREET. THE STUFF SOUTH HAS BEEN AVOIDED BECAUSE IT'S BEING WORKED ON. BUT HOW YOU CAN MOVE A PROJECT SIDE-TO-SIDE. WE'VE LOOKED AT WHERE SOME TRUNK LINES? WHERE SOME EXISTING UTILITIES AND WHERE IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RECENTLY BUILT? TRYING TO FIND CORRIDORS THAT WERE OPEN WAS ONE OF THE TRICKY TASKS. AGAIN, THIS IS A 100-YEAR DEATHS REDUCTIONS. AGAIN, YOU SEE THE STRANDS, YOU MEAN 65, 66, AND 67. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIND THOSE EXACT NUMBERS. I SHOULDN'T HAVE FOLLOWED ALONG WITH YOU. SIXTY FIVE IS A 1.3 FOOT DROP AND A FIVE TO SIX HOUR DURATION OF REDUCTION IN THE 100 YEAR EVENT. >> WHICH NUMBER ARE YOU ON? [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M LOOKING AT 41. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M SORRY. THEN THE TABLE IS I THINK 38. JUST BEFORE. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES. >> A 1.5 FOOT REDUCTION, IF WE WHAT? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT? >> WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET A ONE? >> THAT PROJECT, WHICH IS 29TH STREET AND THEN THE 28TH STREET EXTENSIONS. IT'S A 300 CFS PUMP STATION. >> MY QUESTION IS THIS, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US HERE WITH THESE IS THAT THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL CREATE THAT IMPROVEMENT. THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENT WILL CREATE THAT IMPROVEMENT AND THE HOT WATER PRODUCTION. >> YES. IT'S A 1.5 FOOT DROP, SO IT'S FROM LIKE, I THINK 2- 0.5. >> WHICH POINT ARE YOU ON? >> I WAS ON 65, 66, 67 AT THIS STRAIGHT AREA. >> LET'S JUST GO OVER THESE NUMBERS WITH YOU REAL QUICK SO I UNDERSTAND. PONDING DEPTH IS 1.1 FOOT, SO EXISTING IN A 10 YEAR ADVANTAGE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 1.1 FOR THE WATER STANDING ON THE STREET OUT THERE. THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE FIVE HOURS FOR THAT WATER TO DRAIN? >> YES, SIR. >> IF YOU PUT IN THOSE SYSTEMS, YOU'D SEE THAT GO DOWN TO A REDUCTION IN THE PONDING OF -0.7. YOU WOULD NEVER SEE STANDING WATER ON THAT TREE IN A 10 YEAR EVENT? >> IT WOULD BE 4/10 OF A FOOT WHICH IS WHAT? FIVE INCHES. >> 4/10. >> FROM ONE FOOT DOWN TO THE 0.4 REDUCTION. I GOT YOU. >> THREE-QUARTERS OF A FOOT, SO NINE INCH REDUCTION IN PONDING DEPTH IN THE PEAK. THEN THE REDUCTION OF DEPTH OR THE DURATION, IT WOULD HAVE PONDING IN FIVE HOURS IS ZERO PUMPING. >> THIS IS AS SOON AS IT STOPS RAINING AND THERE'S NO PONDING? >> YES. IT WILL DRAIN DRY AS SOON AS IT STOPS RAINING. BECAUSE THE WAY WE MEASURE THESE, [LAUGHTER] >> SO WE HAVE HYDROGRAPHS AT EACH POINT. IT'S LIKE IT MAY GET TO THE SAME ELEVATION, BUT IT'LL BE THERE FOR LIKE ONE HOUR INSTEAD OF 12 HOURS. OR IT MAY GET REDUCED, BUT IT'LL HAVE A SLIGHT SHAPE SO WE STILL LOOK AT PEAK. WE CAN ONLY SAMPLE THE PEAK. IF IT ACTUALLY GET SOME ZERO. >> CAN I FORCE FOR PROPORTIONS IN HERE? I SEE WE'VE GOT SOME BEDTIME READING HERE. [LAUGHTER] >> BUT HOW ARE WE TAKING TIDAL EFFECTS INTO ACCOUNT HERE? BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE WHERE THERE'S 2 FEET OF WATER IN THE STREET, THE TIDE TURNS AND IT'S GONE IN FIVE-MINUTES. >> I WOULDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A PUMP THOUGH. >> WAS THAT? >> WE WOULDN'T KNOW WAS A PUMP. >> YEAH. BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUMP EVERYTHING. YOU CAN PUT ON FLOOD GATES ON THE OUT POLE. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE BACKFLOW PREVENTER WOULD BE ON THE GRAVITY SIDE AND [01:00:01] THE PUMP WOULD BE AN OVERFLOW BYPASS BEHIND IT OR ABOVE IT. BACKFLOW PREVENTER WOULD SLAM OR CLOSE, PIPE WOULD COME BACK IN. THE RAIN THAT FALLS WOULD GET PUT INTO THE WET WELL, THE SYSTEM. THE BOXES ARE NEEDED TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO WHERE WHEN THE PUMPS KICKOFF THEY HAVE VOLUME TO PUMP OUT. THE PUMPS WILL BE PUSHING WATER. >> A TIDE WOULDN'T AFFECT THIS SYSTEM. >> WELL, ARE WE FINDING MORE SUCCESS WITH THE BACKFLOW PREVENTION? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES. >> WELL, WE'VE GOT SOME DESIGNS IN PLACE. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REAL-WORLD APPLICATIONS FOR OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, FOR THE BACKFLOW PREVENTER? >> BECAUSE SOME OF THE DUCKBILL THINGS THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER PLACES, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE HEAD PRESSURE. >> WILL THESE SYSTEMS REALLY RELY ON A BACKFLOW PREVENTION SYSTEM? >> WELL, IF IT DIDN'T, THEN YOU'RE TIDAL EFFECTS ARE IMPORTANT. >> NO, BECAUSE YOU WOULD PUMP IT OVER A HEAD WALL. >> BUT YOU DON'T WANT THE HEAD? >> THE HEAD WOULD BE ABOVE THE TIDE. BUT YOUR HEADWALL WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE? >> YEAH. >> THE DESIGN NUANCES ARE NOT YET SET BECAUSE OF THAT. THERE ARE SOME ABILITIES TO MAKE IT ONLY A PUMP SYSTEM OR A GRAVITY THAT CAN BE PUMPED WITH A BACKFLOW PREVENTER. DIFFERENT BACKFLOW PREVENTION SYSTEMS. AGAIN, THERE'S THAT DUCKBILL THAT ACROSS UP. THERE'S ONES THAT ARE IN LINE THAT FLAP UP AND FLAP DOWN. THERE'S ACTUAL METAL GATES THAT FLAP TO GET TO STOP DEBRIS CAUGHT IN THEM AND THEY DON'T REALLY SEAL. THERE'S SEVEN, EIGHT REALLY GOOD TECHNOLOGIES OF BACKFLOW PREVENTER. [OVERLAPPING] >> THOSE GATES ARE ALSO A VERY GOOD OPTIONS. BOTH SKATED AUTOMATED SYSTEMS OR JUST MANUAL CRANKS LIKE A WATER VALVE. I'VE SEEN BOTH USED. FINAL DESIGN CONFIGURATION IS DEFINITELY THE NEXT STEP. ONCE THESE PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED AND PRIORITIZED AND THEN FUNDED, THEN YOU GO INTO THE DESIGN OF WE KNOW A BACKFLOW PREVENTER PROVIDER IS NEEDED. WE KNOW THAT A PUMP IN THE RANGE OF 300-350 CFS IS NEEDED, WHICH TIMES 400 IS GPM. IT'S 12,000 GPM AND IT'S A MONSTROUS PUMP STATION. WE'VE USED 14TH STREET PUMP STATION AS A LOT OF OUR TEMPLATE. THAT'S MORE UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. IT'S IN THAT RANGE. >> IT USES SLUICE GATES [NOISE] >> ITS DESIGN IS SO SKETCHED? >> YES. THEY DO HAVE SLUICE GATES IN THERE AS WELL AS THE HOUSE. >> MARIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR ME? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY LARGE PUMPS. WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THEM? IN THE PORT AREA. >> SPACING AND LOCATION. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ONE COVER 29TH STREET. SPACING LOCATION IS ADJUSTABLE BECAUSE A PUMP STATION JUST NEEDS TO BE IN LINE WITH THE TRUNK LINE. THEN THE DISCHARGE PIPE CAN BE RELATIVELY ANY LENGTH. I MEAN, YOU CAN PUSH AGAINST COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET OF A DISCHARGE PIPE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE LIKE RIGHT AT THE BAY, YOU'D HAVE TO BE AT THE HEAD WALL OF THE PORT SYSTEM. BUT WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE PORT LOCATIONS. >> YOU DON'T DESIGN I KNOW AT THE END OF YOUR ANALYSIS HERE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PINPOINT WHERE WE NEED TO PLACE THOSE BUMPS STATIONS? >> WITHIN 0.5 SQUARE MILE. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU HAVE THAT BASICALLY UNDER DESIGN THOUGH. WHERE YOU SEE THE PUMP STATIONS THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY CLOSE TO THE OTHER. >> YEAH. IT'S WITHIN A 1/4 MILE OF THAT AREA. A COUPLE OF THOUSAND FEET CAN BE LEFT OR RIGHT. YOU CAN ALWAYS DIVERT TRUNK LINES BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED TO ONE OF THEM. WE ORIGINALLY EXPECT OUT, LIKE RIGHT HERE OR RIGHT HERE. I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT'S PURE 29 RESTAURANTS AND THE BIG BOATS AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, YES. DON'T HAVE TO BE RIGHT THERE. WE CAN MOVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET THE TRUNK LINE TO A CERTAIN SPOT AND THE TRUNK LINES ARE DOWN THE ROADS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CORRIDOR RESTRICTED. YOU CAN RUN LATERALS OFF TO FEED A PUMP STATION BECAUSE THE PUMP STATION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE FULL FLOW OF THAT TRUNK LINE. THE TRUNK LINE HAS TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO BE LIKE THE WET WELL, THE SERVICE VOLUME. BUT YOUR PUMP DON'T HAVE TO BE AS BIG. IT CAN BE A SMALLER FEED LINE, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE TWO PUMP STATIONS ONE LEFT, ONE RIGHT AT THE TRUNK LINE IF YOU NEEDED SOMETHING MORE SPLIT. THERE'S SOME OPERATION VARIABILITY. IT CAN BE DONE AS PART OF THE FINAL PER OF EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. BUT WATERSHED STORMWATER MASTER PLAN FOR THE ISLAND AND ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, IDEAS OF SOLUTIONS AND GENERAL LOCATIONS AND AS MUCH UTILITY CONFLICTS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AT THIS LEVEL IS OUR GOAL AND WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ON HOW MANY PUMP STATION ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO NEED? >> I BELIEVE TOP OF MY HEAD IT WAS SIX. >> I THINK YOU'LL HAVE SIX. >> COMMISSION TO WHAT? 14TH. [01:05:02] >> 14TH AND 61ST AVENUE P [NOISE] >> TOWARDS DOWN SOUTH. >> THOSE TWO. >> THOSE TWO ARE ON THE BOOKS. >> YES. >> I BELIEVE THERE'S FOUR OR FIVE NEW ONES. >> FOR ALL THE 61ST STREET? >> WESTERS 73RD WILL HAVE ONE. >> WESTER 73RD, OKAY? >> LET'S SEE, 20TH, 29TH, 37TH AND THEN ENGLISH BY WESTERS IN SOUTH SHORE SO SIX TOTAL SO FOUR NEW ONES, ABOUT THE TWO YOU ALREADY SEEN. >> SIX TOTAL? >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. HOW MUCH DO THOSE RUN USUALLY? THIS ONE IS 814 HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO COST US? >> ON 14TH STREET AS OF TWO YEARS AGO, WE UPDATED THE COST ESTIMATES WERE COMING IN AT 43. >> BUT THAT WAS PUMP AND TRUNK >> YEAH. >> IT'S ALMOST [OVERLAPPING] >> 50 COST IS ABOUT 20 MILLION, 25 FOR MAGNITUDE. >> BUT JUST CAN'T DO ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER? >> YES. >> YEAH. >> BUT JUST FOR THE PUMP STATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT UNDER $30 MILLION. >> BORDER MAGNITUDE IS $40-$50 MILLION PER PROJECT. >> FORTY TO 50 INCLUDES THE TRUNKS. >> YES. >> OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS ON THE CITY'S DONE. >> YES, SURE. >> IT'S GOING TO REALLY DICTATE OUR GRANT FUNDING STRATEGIES AND HOW WE APPLY FOR IT. ACTUALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW THE PROTECT GRANT WHICH IS DUE IN AUGUST, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CURRENT PROJECTS RIGHT NOW TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IS GOING TO BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE FOR US TO APPLY FOR UNDER THAT OPPORTUNITY. >> WE'RE LOOKING AT ULTIMATELY AROUND THE DAYS COST, AROUND $300 BILLION TO MAKE THIS WHOLE SYSTEM WORK. >> YEAH, THAT'S ASSUMING EVERYTHING GETS BUILT NEXT YEAR WHICH IS NOT THE CASE BECAUSE THESE ARE 10 YEAR PROJECTS I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOUTH SHORE DRIVE SINCE WE STARTED ACQUIRING LAND AND WITH 2018, 2019. >> BRANDON, WHEN ARE WE PREDICTING 14TH, JUST ESTIMATE WILL BE FINISHED. >> FOURTEENTH? >> YES. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHEN FAMILY GIVES US A DETERMINATION ON THE COST INCREASE. >> IT'LL BE 45 FINISHED. >> YEAH. >> THIS DESIGN IS OVER. I'M AWARE THAT THIS IS A 50-YEAR PLAN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE SEA LEVEL RISE. >> YES, IT IS 50 YEARS. >> WITH REGARD TO SEA LEVEL, WE ARE LOOKING AT TODAY'S NORMAL TIDE AND THE YEAR 2100 HIGH TIDE OR FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE? WE DO HAVE BOTH ANALYSIS WITHIN OUR RESULTS. WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR IS GOT, THE 10 AND THE100-YEAR RUNS FOR TODAY'S TIDAL INFLUENCE. WE ARE RUNNING THE REST OF THE MODELS, THE FIVE, THE 25, THE 50 WITH CURRENT TIDE AND WITH FUTURE TIDE AND WE ALSO HAVE A PLAN TO RUN THE 100-YEAR STORM WITH FUTURE TIDE AND THE MEGA-PROJECTS INCLUDED MORE FOR JUST ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COMPARISON TO OTHER PROJECTS STILL WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO MEGA PROJECT WOULD SIMPLY BE THE RING LEDI AND THE BIG PUMPS THEY HAVE INSIDE THERE, HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT SHEET FLOW AT PUMPING AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING? WE DO HAVE FUTURE TIDAL CONDITIONS AS A BOUNDARY CONDITION THAT WHEN CURRENT TIDE I THINK IS 1.1 IN OUR MODELS, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 3.6 AS IN 1631? >> THE HIGHEST ONE IS 11314. >> 11314. SO 1.1 IS CURRENT TIDAL AND WE'RE GOING TO BE APPLYING A 3.4 FUTURE TIDAL BOUNDARY CONDITION AND HAVING OUR WATER GRAVITY AND PUMP AGAINST THAT. WE'LL SEE WHAT THE BENEFITS FOR REDUCTION OF BENEFITS THAT BRINGS SO WE WILL HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. 1.1 IS MEAN SEA LEVEL BASED ON THE NAVD 88 DATA. THEN YEAR 2100 INTERMEDIATE FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE BASED ON NOAH IS 3.4. >> THREE FOOT? >> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> OKAY. VERY WELL. >> 2.3 FOOT RISING SEA LEVELS. >> COUNCILMEN I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTION. >> WHAT WAS YOUR DESIGN CRITERIA FOR THE TRUNK, ALMOST 10 YEAR? >> LARGEST WE COULD FIT. [LAUGHTER] >> ALL RIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH. >> BECAUSE YOU PUT A PUMP AND YOU CAN HAVE RELATIVELY INFINITE DEPTH. RELATIVELY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE A PART. >> WITH COST. >> YEAH, EXACTLY. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WAS YOUR OVERALL CRITERIA? >> MOSTLY TEMPLATE HEIGHT AND A WIDTH THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN A LANE OF TRAFFIC SO EIGHT FOOT WIDE. >> MOST OF THESE CHARTS ARE [OVERLAPPING] [01:10:01] >> YOU'RE DESIGNING TO DEPTH, NOT TO DESIGN CRITERIA? >> NO. >> I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GETTING A LARGER BENEFIT IF YOU'RE DESIGNING FOR GREATER THAN A 10-YEAR STORM? >> YES. >> YOU'RE DESIGNING MAXIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF DEPTH THAT YOU CAN GET AN INFRASTRUCTURE. >> WE'VE RUN MULTIPLE ITERATIONS AND WE FOUND A RECEIVING RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR REGULAR TERM. >> OKAY. >> WHEN WE STARTED GETTING BIGGER PUMPS AND BIGGER TRUNK LINES. WE EFFECTIVELY START WITH THE 14TH STREET IS A GOOD BASELINE. WE LOOKED AT THE 61ST AVENUE PIECE ELSEWHERE THE STAN TECH IS DOING FOR YOU ALL, AND WE LOOKED AT THEIR MODEL THEIR PUMPS. THEY'RE TRYING TO DESIGN A 100-YEAR SYSTEM BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR GRANT REQUIREMENT. THEIR PUMPS ARE ASTRONOMICAL COMPARED TO 14 STREET. THEIR TRUNK LINES ARE ASTRONOMICAL, BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GET THE ENERGY WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> I'VE GOT TO FOLLOW UP, BUT I GOT TO ASK MR. COOK A QUESTION. >> YES SIR. >> ON THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS, IS THERE A DESIGN CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE FUTURE GRANTS? >> IT VARIES BY THE GRANT. >> THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN CRITERIA IS? >> FOR SOUTH SHORE DRIVE? >> NO, FUTURE ONES THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COME WITH THE PROTECTOR. >> NO WE HAVEN'T DUG INTO THE DETAILS ON THAT WE STILL HAVE TO SET ON THIS ONE. >> ONE OF THE EXPERTS IN MY OFFICE IS EXTREMELY GOOD GRANT AFTER THESE GUYS. >> YEAH. LET ME ASK, WHEN YOU SAID DESIGN CRITERIA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 VERSUS 100? >> YES. >> LEVEL OF SERVICE. >> CORRECT, LEVEL OF SERVICE. THEN A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, MAYOR, IF I MAY. >> YES SIR. >> YOUR NEXT STEPS RELATED TO PROJECT PRIORITIZATION, DEVELOPMENT, CIP, YOU ALL BE ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS AS WE START TO CREATE AN OVERALL CIP. MR. COOK, I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH SCORING AND METRICS FOR THESE PROJECTS, BUT HOW ARE THOSE INTEGRATED INTO THE OVERALL CIP RELATED TO SCORING THE METRICS FOR OTHER ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. IN OTHER WORDS, MY POINT IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DOING A ROADWAY AND THEN COMING BACK AND TURN IT UP AND THROWING IN A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT SO TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU DO THAT. >> WELL, IT'S JUST LIKE THAT. WHEN WE'RE SITTING AROUND AND LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAMS THAT HE'S PRESENTING AND IT'S LIKE, NO WAY, YOU NEED TO MOVE THAT TRUNK LACK AS WE JUST PAVED THAT STREET A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WE NEED TO GET OUR COSTS OUT OF IT SO THAT'S PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY AS A TEAM. >> WE'LL DEVELOP A CIP FORM, WHICH IS THE STANDARD CIP FORM THAT THE CITY USES AND THE COSTS ARE THERE, AND IT'S A MATTER OF HOW YOU SLIDE THOSE ON THE SCHEDULE, LIKE AS IT WAS 2023, 2027 A LOT OF THESE HIGH-LEVEL THINGS ARE GOING TO BE GRANT LEVEL APPLICATIONS THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO BE WHEN A GRANT IS OPENED AND YOU CAN APPLY FOR IT, RESPONSE TO HURRICANE HARVEY, RESPONSE TO THE NEXT HURRICANE THAT COMES THROUGH. HAVE IT ON YOUR LIST OF THINGS TO DO THING SO THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES, YOU CAN SNAP THIS OFF THE SHELF AND SAY HERE'S THE NEXT BIG PROJECT, IT MEETS ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THE PROTECT GRANT IS MORE OF A TRANSPORTATION BC SO IT'S ROADWAYS, EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTES, WHICH ENGLISH ARE OFTEN SEEN AS BY YOU THE ONE WE HAVE FOR THAT NORTHERN PART HAS A PRETTY GOOD IMPACT OF BROADWAY AND SO THAT'S ONE THAT PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE THE BEST BANK FOR THE BUCK FOR THE PROTECT GRANT. BECAUSE IT HAS A BIG IMPACT ON BROADWAY EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTES AND IT'S PRETTY HOUSING PROJECT. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING. >> THERE IS A QUESTION ON THAT ONE WHILE YOU'RE ON THAT TRUNK LINE THERE. THE 53RD STREET AREA, THAT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE OF THE FEW AREAS THAT ACTUALLY RUNS NORTH TO SOUTH. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE THAT PUMP AT NORTH END OF ENGLISH BAYOU? >> WELL, SO THE ENGLISH BAYOU PUMP STATION CAME TO LIGHT IN TERMS OF LOCATION. I THINK THAT WAS THE OLD CAR WASH THAT'S BEEN IN THE NEWS A COUPLE OF TIMES. KNOWING SOMETHING UP THERE, KNOWING BROADWAY WAS AN IMPACT, AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DAMAGE-CENTER ASSESSMENTS, THE 53RD STREET WAS A 62 SCORE, AVENUE K WAS A 57 SCORE. TRYING TO DEVELOP A SERIES OF PROJECTS THAT COULD SERVE THOSE TWO AREAS. I THINK WE ORIGINALLY HAD A PIPE UP 51ST STREET AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU-ALL HAVE RECENTLY BEEN WORKING ON AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOUCH 51ST. LET'S SLIDE OVER 53RD. THAT'S EXACTLY THE CONCEPT. [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT TO MENTION ALL THE WETLANDS AND STUFF THAT ARE BACK THERE THAT WILL MAKE DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL A NIGHTMARE. >> BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BENEFITS AND THE DEATH REDUCTION STILL HAVE PRETTY GOOD IMPACT ON 53RD, BY RUNNING THAT LATERAL TRUNK LINE ON WINNIE. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE UTILITY MAPS, WHERE DO YOU HAVE WATER, SEWER LINES, SANITARY LINES, [01:15:01] WHERE DO YOU HAVE OTHER CONFLICTS? DO WE WANT TO RUN IT DOWN BOWL? DO YOU WANT TO RUN IT OUT WINNIE? DO YOU WANT TO RUN IT DOWN POST OFFICE? TRYING TO FIND THOSE CORE DOORS THAT WERE OPENED LESS IMPACTFUL. BUT AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS, EACH ONE OF THESE CAN BE MASSAGED AND MORPHED AND MOVED AS NEEDED. BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, DOES 51ST STREET [NOISE] >> NOW MET ITS LIFE GOAL? BUT TWO YEARS BEFORE THIS PROJECT KICKS OFF, 53RD GETS REPAVED. I GOT TO STAY OFF 53RD, MAYBE WE MOVE OVER TO 51ST. THERE'S SOME OF THAT STUFF OF WHAT HAPPENS IN 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN ONE OF THESE PROJECTS FINALLY GETS FUNDED? >> MARIE. > HAVE WE CHECKED WITH TXDOT TO SEE IF THEY LEFT ANY DAMS OFF BROADWAY LIKE THEY DID OFF [INAUDIBLE]? >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM ON THAT. THEY REDUCED THE PAVEMENT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY DAMS THERE. >> WE DIDN'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY ON 3005 UNTIL WE PUT IN 33 OF THEM. >> THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE NOT CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM THAT JUST SIT THERE AND HOLD WATER AFTER IT DRAINS UNDERNEATH. IT HAS TO PULL UP AND THEN OVERFLOW INTO THE GUTTER PAN. THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF, I GUESS, JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES. THEY CAN ONLY GO SO FAR OUTSIDE OF AN INTERSECTION AND SOME OF OUR DRAINS ARE A BLOCK OVER. > CAN I SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN? THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY MASSIVE BRIDGE BLOCKS, THEY GO UNDER BROADWAY. WHEN WE WERE SEEING THOSE DEVELOPED, WE WERE LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU CONNECTING THAT TO? THERE'S NO DRAIN UNDER 16TH STREET. WHERE DO THESE GO? THEY SIT THERE TILL THEY EVAPORATE? >> CORRECT. YES. >> AS PART OF THE LOW-LEVEL OF SERVICE, IF WE GET FEEDBACK ON THESE ISOLATED TYPE ISSUES, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN START INCORPORATING INTO THE LOW-LEVEL SERVICE OF THE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO EXTEND THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM OVER TWO BLOCKS WHERE IT NEEDS TO TIE INTO THE CITY'S EXISTING SYSTEM OR WHAT HAVE YOU. >> WELL, [INAUDIBLE] TALKS ABOUT THE BLOCKS. LOWERING THE CROWN ON THE 51ST STREET AREA OF BROADWAY WILL ALLOW THE SHEET DRAINING ACROSS INTO THE NORTH SIDE. [NOISE] >> HAVE WE DEMONSTRATED THAT THAT WORKS? IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE LESS PONDING, LESS DAMAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE IN THAT AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER HAD THAT PROBLEM EAST OF 25TH STREET. BUT NOW WE HAVE ALL THESE LIKE I SAY, PSEUDO BRIDGE BLOCK SOMETHING THERE. DO WE NEED THEM? CAN WE FILL THEM? CAN WE STOP THE WATER STANDING THERE? >> THEN IT WOULD JUST STACK ON THE SURFACE [NOISE] >> IN BROADWAY THERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE 21ST STREET ANYWAY, THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM. >> THESE ARE THE SCENARIOS WE'LL BE ABLE TO RUN ONCE WE GET TRAINED ON THE MODEL IN-HOUSE AS WELL, THEN WE CAN RUN THE VARIOUS SCENARIOS BECAUSE IF YOU TRY TO SOLVE A PROBLEM IN ONE AREA, YOU JUST PUSH THE PROBLEM SOMEWHERE THAT DIDN'T EXIST AND THEN YOU GET ANOTHER SET OF COMPLAINTS. IT'S JUST A DOMINO. >> WE'RE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> I FIGURED YOU WOULD. THAT'S WHY I APPEALED TO THAT. BUT ONCE WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE IN-HOUSE AND EVERYTHING LIKE ROB SAID, THAT WAS THE PLAN UNDER THE WATER MASTER PLANS IS BRING THE SOFTWARE IN-HOUSE. THAT'S PART OF THIS SCOPE HERE IS TO TRAIN OUR STAFF ON IT AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO RUN THOSE SCENARIO-BASED THINGS. WHAT IF WE CONNECTED THIS HERE AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WATER? >> MARIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT THEY ANSWERED. HAVE WE MADE THEM AWARE? >> YES, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THEM ON A LOT OF THESE GLOBALIZED ISSUES. >> BRANDON, LET ME ASK YOU, I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME PUBLIC MEETINGS PLANNED COMING UP HERE IN THE SUMMER. WHAT'S OUR NEXT PLAN FOR COUNCIL? WHEN WILL YOU BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR BOARD? >> WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE THE NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING, JULY 13TH TO START RECEIVING THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THESE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS. WE WANTED TO BRING INTO COUNSEL [NOISE] >> HERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> HAVE WE DONE THAT IN TWO AGAIN? >> RIGHT NOW, THE SCOPE IS ONLY FOR ONE. I KNOW THAT AT THE 30 STREET PUMP STATION, SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED WAS THAT THE ACOUSTICS WEREN'T VERY GOOD IN THAT FACILITY AND STUFF. I REACHED OUT TO JOHN ZANT JUST THIS WEEK TO ASK HIM IF HE HAD ANY AVAILABILITY OVER MOODY GARDENS AND HE SAID YES, THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. THAT WAS A QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK THE COUNCIL AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK [01:20:02] FROM THE COUNCIL ON WHETHER THAT WAS AN ADEQUATE SPACE AND HOW WAS IT RECEIVED AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> BUT I THINK IT WAS WELL RECEIVED. >> IT WAS PROPERLY RECEIVED. >> BUT BACK TO THE QUESTION, BRANDON. WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL? >> AT THE JULY MEETING AFTER WE'VE RECEIVED THE PUBLIC'S INPUT. >> YOU'LL BE BRINGING BACK WHAT AT THAT POINT? >> AT THAT POINT, WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN WITH THE HIGH LEVELS OF SERVICE, THE LOW LEVELS OF SERVICE. WE'LL PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS AND GIVE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN INTERNALLY AS A STAFF AND PLAN IT OUT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE FINANCING OPTIONS INTERNALLY. THEN WE'LL BRING IT TO COUNCIL WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE NEED TO FUND IT. >> REMEMBER, MAYOR, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS IN THE CIP. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHERE THIS ENDS UP. >> CORRECT. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. LIKE WE SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE HEAVILY RELYING ON GRANTS TO FUND A LOT OF THESE THINGS. BUT OF COURSE, ALL OF THESE GRANTS COME WITH MASH REQUIREMENTS. YOU'RE NOT COMPETITIVE. YOU'LL PUT MONEY ON THE TABLE ON THERE. THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME LOCAL MONEY INVOLVED AS WELL. WHETHER IT'S BOND MONEY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING NEED TO DISCUSS. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHEN THE BUDGET COMES TO US, YOU'LL BE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION THESE REQUESTS AND THESE RESPONSIBILITIES. >> YES. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS TOPIC COUNCIL? DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> YES, AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN HERE. THIS IS OUR HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE. ONE THING BRANDON WAS ALLUDED TO IS THE OTHER STEP AND I'M GOING TO THE VERY LAST PAGE, THE NEXT STEP, ENGAGEMENTS IS WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. TALKING ABOUT THE POST-CONDITION PROPOSED CONDITION PUBLIC MEETING, WHAT ARE THE INTENTS OF THAT MEETINGS, AS WELL AS TALKING WITH YOU ALL, AS WELL AS BRANDON'S TEAM AND TREENODE AND ROB IS GETTING SOME OF THOSE LOW-LEVEL OF SERVICE. THE MORE MAINTENANCE TYPE IMPROVEMENTS, THE MORE THINGS THAT CAN BE IN AN ANNUAL BUDGET. AN INTERSECTION THAT'S GOT SOME INEFFICIENT INLETS OR MAYBE A SMALL PIPE THAT NEEDS TO BE PREFIXED ARE RELATED A BETTER SLOPE OR SOMETHING. IF YOU-ALL HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT AND YOU ALL HAVE ANY PRIMARIES, JOE KEEP GETTING FEEDBACK ON TRINA'S WORKING ON THIS STAFF TO GET SOME OF THE FIELDS DATA FROM THEIR HISTORICAL PROBLEM AREAS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC WHENEVER THE MEETING IS HELD. THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IS WHAT OTHER THAN THESE. THESE ARE ALMOST THE EASY ONES BECAUSE THEY'RE THE OBVIOUS LIVES. BUT WHAT ARE THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BRIDGE BLOCKS THAT ARE BLOCKING FLOW OR AN INTERSECTION JUST HOLDS WATER THAT IT'S NOT ONE OF THE TOP 18 LIKE REGIONAL PROBLEM AREAS. THAT'S INFORMATION WILL BE HELPFUL TO IDENTIFY OUR LOW-LEVEL SOURCE PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY WITH YOU-ALL TO DO IDENTIFICATION AND SCOPING OF SOLUTIONS FOR 18 OTHER PROJECTS, SMALLER SINGLE-SITE PROJECTS, AND THAT ALSO GOES TO THE CIT. [NOISE] >> ULTIMATELY WILL HAVE 36 PROJECTS FROM OUR TEAM. A TEAM THAT ARE THESE REALLY SOLID REGIONAL, BIG PROJECTS. I THINK THERE'S ABOUT THE 18 I THINK IT'S ALSO EQUALLY SPLIT. SIX ON THE WEST END, SIX RELATIVELY CENTRAL, AND SIX ON THE EAST END, STRANDISH AREA. THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH PRIVATIZATION AS BRANDON SAID, DO YOU TALK COST ESTIMATES, SOME OF THE SCORING AND METRICS, AND THEN WORK ON THE FUNDING. IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT THAT'S $30 MILLION AND YOU KNOW, THE GRANT POTENTIAL IS 25 PERCENT LOCAL MATCH. THEN WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO SET ASIDE SIX MILLION DOLLARS AND HAVE IT SITTING THERE AS NEEDED WHEN THE TIME COMES. THAT'LL BE THE NEXT FINAL STEP IN OUR I THINK OUR SCOPE GETS CIP DEVELOPMENT BY AUGUST AND THEN MODEL HANDOFF, MODEL TRAINING, DESIGN CRITERIA, MANUAL UPDATE, AND ALL THAT STUFF THROUGH OCTOBER AND THINK IS OUR END CONTRACT. ADDITION TO THE CIP OF THE WORK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WE ALSO HAVE PLANS TO ADVENTURE THE MODEL OVER. WE WILL HAVE, I THINK A DAY OR TWO OF INSTRUCTIONAL TRAINING FOR YOUR STAFF TO LEARN TO USE THE SOFTWARE, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY POWERFUL. IT TAKES A WHILE TO RUN, SO IT'S NOT A QUICK 10 MINUTE RUN, IT'S A COUPLE OF HOURS TO RUN A MODEL AND THEN UPDATE THIS CRITERIA MANUAL FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS DON'T WASH AWAY THESE IMPROVEMENTS. THEY MEET THE STANDARDS AS YOU ALLUDED TO THE LEVEL SAND DO YOU WANT TO MEET. THERE'S A LOT OF BACK-END STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO HELP THE CITY UTILIZE THIS. [01:25:02] NOT JUST A SNAPSHOT OF TIME, BUT LONG TERM. >> VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS FOR BEING HERE ASSOCIATED, BRANDON. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU GIVE THIS BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> JANELLE, LET'S MOVE DOWN 3C, PLEASE. [3.C. Discussion To Allow Council To Give Staff Guidance As It Relates To The Approval Process For Changes To The City Of Galveston’s Beach Access Plan (Brown - 20 Min)] >> THREE C, DISCUSSION TO ALLOW COUNSEL STAFF TINS AS IT RELATES TO THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR CHANGES TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON BEACH ACCESS PLAN. >> COUNCIL. I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. WANT TO WOULD YOU OR I ARE KYLE, YOU WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS IN ORDER WE DISCUSS IT. COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD PLACE. NO THEM. KYLE, YOU WANT TO SIT OVER HERE, TIM CAN SIT DOWN THERE. I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT IN GIVE GUIDANCE, AND I VISITED WITH TIM AND KYLE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. NOT SURE ABOUT COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED WITH IT SEEMS LIKE IN THE PAST OUR FLOW, OUR PROCESS FOR EVALUATION, CHANGES TO OUR BEACH ACCESS PLAN. MOVED TO PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN WENT TO CITY COUNCIL, THEN WENT TO GLO. THAT HAS RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OR SO BEEN CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, AND NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS THE PROCESS GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEN THE GLO, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT OF THAT LIT BY NOT SAYING THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S BEEN THE OBSERVATION GOING ON HERE. WHAT CONCERNS WELL, LET ME SAY THIS. WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING GOING HERE IS THAT, THERE'S NO REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE IT TO GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT IT CAN COME STRAIGHT TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN TO THE GLO. I UNDERSTAND ALSO THOUGH, THAT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO CHANGE THIS PROCESS AND MOVE IT BACK TO THE WAY WE HAD BEEN DOING IT, GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN COUNCIL, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. WHAT CONCERNS ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THIS, WHEN IT WENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION, IT WAS MY OBSERVATIONS THAT THOSE PARTICULAR TOPICS THAT WAS TIME FOR PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN AND GIVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND SO FORTH. THEN IT MOVED INTO RECOMMENDATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. RIGHT NOW WHEN THESE ITEMS COME ON OUR AGENDA, IF THEY HAVE THEY'RE NOT A PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COMMENT ON THEM, THEY HAVE TO COME IN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SECTION WHERE NON-AGENDA AN AGENDA ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED. I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION. I WANT TO GET SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS AND SEE HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED. LET'S OPEN NOW WITH YOU, MARIE. >> I BELIEVE THIS WAS CHANGED AND THE LDR IN LATE 2000S, AND LET ME GIVE THE DATE 16? >> I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT IN DISCUSSING THIS AND NOW, I MAY HAVE THIS INCORRECT. THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY BRANDON HILL. BRANDON WAS HERE AND BRANDON MENTIONED TO ME THAT WE NEEDED TO CHANGE IN HIS MIND, WHICH MAY BE THE WAY TO DO IT, CHANGED THE PROCESS. BECAUSE I QUESTIONED ON IT THAT TIME, BUT THE MATTER OF THE FACT IS WE DO HAVE THAT PROCESS AS IT IS NOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YEAH. I MEAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT. WHAT DID THIS CHANGE WITH THE LDR? >> THE LDR IS WE HAVE A SECTION IN THE LDR UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE BODIES ARE SECTION 12 DEFINES THE ROLES AS THE LDR IS UNRELATED TO THE DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIVE BODIES, WHETHER THAT'S CITY COUNCIL, PLANNING COMMISSION, ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, ETC. AND I WILL HAND THIS OUT. THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT NOW. I HAVE ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY HERE. [NOISE] >> THIS IS HOW IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW. THE GENERAL POWERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AS YOU CAN SEE IN 12301, THERE'S DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS GRANTED BOTH IN STATE LAW AND IN OUR ORDINANCES. [01:30:03] WHERE THEY ARE THE FINAL AUTHORITY. THERE ARE ALSO A RECOMMENDATION OF POWERS THAT THEY ARE GRANTED AS WELL AND YOU CAN SEE THOSE IN DENOTED IN B1 AND B2. THE ONLY PLACE THAT THE BEACH FRONT ISSUES ARE OR EVEN DISCUSSED IS B1F. PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY FOR ISSUING BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATES, AND DUNE PROTECTION PERMITS. THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS THAT'S DENOTED IN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY GIVEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S WHAT'S IN CODE NOW. HISTORICALLY, I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS PRACTICED OR USED THE CONCEPT OF IF COUNCIL WANTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION INVOLVED IN SOMETHING, THEY CAN CERTAINLY SEND IT TO THEM TO GET THEIR OPINIONS, THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER, BUT THE DEFAULT POSITION IS THEY HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY ON THESE ITEMS. AS DENOTED IN. [OVERLAPPING] >> ISN'T THE ACCESS PLAN IS A POLICY? >> THE ACCESS PLAN IS UNDER CHAPTER 29, WHICH IS THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SO ANY CHANGES WITHIN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TYPICALLY GO DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL. CORRECT. >> BECAUSE IT'S A POLICY. >> YEAH BECAUSE POLICY VERSES PERMIT. >> BUT HAVING THESE THINGS COME UP BEFORE PLANNING COMMISSION FIRST USES ANOTHER LEVEL OF CONTACT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENT, STAFF, AND THEN FOLKS WHO HAVE SOME EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE SHARE OF OCHER TO IT AS OPPOSED TO IT COMING COLD TO COUNCIL. I DON'T THINK WE HURT OURSELVES, ANYBODY BY GIVING THE PUBLIC ANOTHER BITE AND TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE, MANY OF THEM ARE VERY HOT BUT NOT IN A HOT BUTTON ISSUES. HERE WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS. WE'VE GOTTEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON THESE ISSUES BEFORE US TODAY. DAVID. >> YEAH I'LL PARAPHRASE THAT AS WELL BECAUSE BASED UPON MY EXPERIENCE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT AND MAYOR, YOU SAID IT CORRECTLY, AND THE INTERESTS OF OPEN GOVERNMENT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PROVIDES A VERY OPEN FORUM THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR THE VARIETY OF BEACHFRONT CONSTRUCTION ISSUES AND OTHER BEACH DUNE PROTECTION ISSUES AS WELL AND THAT'S WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION GETS TO SPEND TIME WITH STAFF WHO ARE AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THIS, BEING ABLE TO HEAR THOSE CASES, BE ABLE TO RECEIVE PUBLIC INPUT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. IT SEEMS THAT PUTTING THIS PARTICULAR BEACH ACCESS ISSUES DIRECTLY BEFORE CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO HAVE PROPER PUBLIC HEARINGS. MAY MIX WORDS HERE ARE EITHER PUBLIC INPUT OR PUBLIC HEARINGS OR PUBLIC MEETINGS. SEEMS TO BE LESS TRANSPARENT AND LESS OPEN. >> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS? COUNCIL? YES, JOHN. >> MY ONLY THOUGHT HERE IS TIMING. IF SOMETHING NEEDS TO RUN THIS PROCESS QUICKER THEN WE CAN DO IT THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND THAT'S THE ROUTE WE NEED TO GO WITH THESE ISSUES. BUT IF WE HAVE TIME TO DO IT, THE MORNING BUT WE GET ON THESE ISSUES, THE MATTER. BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE UNDER A BIT OF A TIME CRUNCH ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS WERE NOT, THEN NO REASON WHY THIS COULDN'T GO THROUGH. >> WE MAY BE NOW BUT RULE NO, PLEASE. THINGS ARE NOT CRITICAL. BECAUSE HE WILL EVEN WHAT WE SEE AS CRITICAL ISSUES ON THE WEST END AND NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IT EXACTLY A TIMELY MANNER. IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T HAD CHANCE AND OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS. AS TIME HAS GONE ON. >> ANY THOUGHTS JOHN ON THAT? >> WE ARE OPEN TO THE WILL OF COUNCIL. WHATEVER YOU-ALL WOULD LIKE US TO DO, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO. I LIKE TRANSPARENCY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE COURT SAYS NOW, IF WE'D WANT TO CHANGE THAT, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK. >> WELL, I'M A CHAMPION OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S THE MORE PUBLIC INPUT WE HAVE IN CONCENTRATED ON THESE ISSUES. I THINK COUNSEL WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY WITH BENEFITED FROM BOTH OF THAT. I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT JOHN IS SAYING THOUGH BUT COULD YOU ADDRESS JUST BRIEFLY. [01:35:02] DO SOME OF THESE POP-UP WHERE WE HAVE TO ACT ON THEM IMMEDIATELY OR? >> NOT TYPICALLY. I THINK PART OF THIS SITUATION HERE WITH THE THREE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING FOR THE GLO IS THAT THERE ARE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE WAITING TO HAPPEN, AND SO, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PUSHED BY THOSE DEVELOPMENT GROUPS FOR PAYING INTERIM FINANCING AND IT'S PROBABLY NOT ALL THAT CHEAP FOR THEM TO MOVE THESE PROJECTS FORWARD. I THINK WE TRIED TO BE AS COGNIZANT TO THAT COMMUNITY AS WELL, BUT AGAIN, WE STAND WILLING TO GO WHICHEVER DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE US TO. >> COUNCIL IF IT MET YOUR APPROVAL TO GET INPUT, BUT IF IT MET YOUR APPROVAL, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE TIM AND KYLE DRAFT A MIMICKED TO OUR ORDINANCE. MOVING NICE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT ALSO OUTLINING THERE IF THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT REQUIRED A NICE TO MOVE FORWARD QUICKER. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE? >> YES, MA'AM. THAT THOSE WOULD COME TO COUNCIL DIRECTLY. IS ALREADY? >> SOME INSTANCES TO THE FUTURE, NOT THE ITEMS WE KNOW. >> NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE. >> DOES THIS NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE? I'M THINKING THIS IS JUST A POLICY SET BY DIRECTION OF COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET AN ORDINANCE OUT THERE, THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT DOESN'T MATTER. >> ME EITHER WAY. WHAT DOES IT NEED TO BE? >> I WILL TAKE DIRECTION INFORMALLY OR FORMALLY EITHER WAY. >> WELL, I ALSO FORMALIZED WHEN WE DID IT THIS WAY BEFORE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME WAY OR ANOTHER WE FORMALIZE THIS THOUGHT SO THAT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW PEOPLE GO WELL. WE NEVER REALLY PASSED ANYTHING. [LAUGHTER] >> I WAS DEFINITELY ON THAT SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO FORMALIZE THIS MORE TIM, I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. >> THAT'S GOOD BEING THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN TO START AT PLANNING? >> YES. >> SHOULD I ASK GO FIRST TO PLANNING BEFORE THEY COME TO COUNCIL? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OTHER THAN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? >> YES, SIR. THAT IS CORRECT. >> I ALSO VOTE FOR THAT. >> YEAH SO CLARIFY WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU JUST NOW. MAYOR IS YOU WOULD PREFER WE FORMALIZE THIS IN ORDINANCE. >> I'M NOT HIGHLIGHTING THE ORDINANCE, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE FORMALIZED. >> COULD YOU JUST FORMALIZE AND THEN THE LVRS AND LEAVING THE OPTION OF BEN? >> WELL FORMALIZING AND NAIL YARDS NEED TOLERANCE. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH. >> IF I COULD INTERJECT, IF IT'S IN THE CITY CODE THAT WE DO IN A CERTAIN WAY, AND YOU WANT IT DONE DIFFERENTLY, YES. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE WOODLANDS. LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THAT IF ONE IS REQUIRED IN DOING IT, IF ONE IS NOT, I'M SURE TIM CAN ADVISE. >> YEAH AND I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO US, JUST THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT THESE ITEMS SHOULD GO TO PLANNING FIRST BEFORE THE SHOW TO COME TO US. >> CORRECTLY THOSE A SPECIFIC. SOME OF THESE ITEMS I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED FOR YEARS. >> YES THAT'S TRUE. >> TIM, THEY SAY CLEAR BECOME CLEAR ON. >> I THINK I'VE GOTTEN THE DIRECTION I NEEDED. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> YES, MA'AM. >> YOU SAID THAT IT WOULD SKIP PLANNING COMMISSION IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. HOW DID I NOT HEAR THAT RIGHT? DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? >> THAT IS TRUE OR SOMETHING. [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY EMERGENCY WOULD NOT, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE EMERGENCY? >> COUNCIL MEMBER I DON'T THINK THERE IS ONE. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN, I CAN ENVISION AN EMERGENCY. >> NOT ON THAT. ON THE FUTURE. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN. >> THAT'S RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] >> IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE A SPECIAL AMENDMENT FOR THREE CONDO BUILDINGS WHO HAPPENED TO BE IN JEOPARDY AND WE HAVE TO AMEND THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN. THAT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY. >> YOU'D ALWAYS WANT TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS THIS HAS. >>BUT IF WE HAD ANOTHER AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF GLO, THEY WOULD TREAT OR THEY WOULDN'T? >> NO. >> THEN THEY ARE THE EMERGENCY. >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS AN EMERGENCY. THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY ON THE BEACH. WE DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN. >> YEAH. JILL ALREADY AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO MAKE DECISIONS ON EMERGENCY ISSUES ON THE BEACH WHERE WE CLOSE SOMETHING DOWN TEMPORARILY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WE JUST SIMPLY NOTIFY THEM THAT'S BEEN OUR PROTOCOL WITH THEM FOR YEARS. >> NOW THIS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL THEN TIM. [01:40:04] >> BASED ON DON'S ANALYSIS OF WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATIONS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WHAT I HEARD DON SAY. >> IT BRINGS YOU BACK AND LET YOU KNOW RECOMMENDATION LIES. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD, YEAH. >> RECOMMENDATION WISE. IF WE NEED TO DO AN ORDINANCE. WE ARE NOT DOING ORDINANCE. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT. [LAUGHTER] >> WHAT GOD, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO, IT GETS IN WRITING SOMEWHERE THAT WE MAKE A DECISION. WE MADE A DECISION ON THIS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING THE FINAL. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHO SETS POLICY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT? >> THE DIRECTOR. >> CAN'T YOU WRITE UP A POLICY WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT? >> WE COULD WRITE THAT MANAGER'S OFFICE AND DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. >> IT'S FINE WITH ME. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> TO READ THE SIMPLEST. >> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN YOU GIVE A COPY TO THE MAYOR? [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, CIRCULATE TO ALL COUNCIL, BUT THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THIS WRITTEN SOMEWHERE SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE DONE AT THIS POINT. >> WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT AND BRING IT BACK AND LET THE COUNCIL KNOW WHAT WE DID. >> THANKS. >> WILL YOU REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME? I'VE BEEN ADVISED TO BRING IT BACK. [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, IT APPEARS THAT I'M GOING TO BE AWAITING DIRECTION FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO IMPLEMENT A POLICY LOCALLY THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> ACTUALLY NOT JACKSON'S PLAN. >> RIGHT. BUT RUN THROUGH THE PLANKERS WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE. >> OKAY. [INAUDIBLE] ORDINANCE. [BACKGROUND] >> WELL RIGHT. THOSE WE WON'T. >> WE'VE HANDLED THE DISCRETIONARY ISSUES LIKE THIS WITH POLICIES BEFORE. THE DEPARTMENT HAS OUR OWN INTERNAL POLICIES AND I DON'T SEE HIS OFFICE AS POLICIES AS WELL. >> IF YOU'LL LET US KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BEFORE WE MOVED TO ITEM 3D, COUNCILWOMAN ROBBINS ASKED FOR A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE. LET'S TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO 3D. >> IT'S PRETTY FINE. [NOISE] >> WE ARE READY. NO PROBLEM. >> COUNCIL, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. IT'S 10:50 AM. [3.D. Update And Discussion Of The Following (Council - 20 Min) 1. Amendment To The Beach Access Plan As It Relates To Exemptions To The Use Of Reinforced Concrete 2. Amendment To The Beach Access Plan To Modify Regulations Related To The Restricted Use Area East of Stewart Beach 3. Park Board Participation With CEPRA Grants] LET'S MOVE THE ITEM 3D, PLEASE. >> I'M READING UPDATE AND DISCUSSION OF THE FOLLOWING, ONE AMENDMENT TO EACH ACCESS PLAN AS A RIGHT TO EXCEPTIONS TO THE USE OF REINFORCED CONCRETE. TWO AMENDMENT TO THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN TO MODIFY REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE RESTRICTED USE AREA EAST OF STEWART BEACH. THREE, PARK BOARD PARTICIPATION WITH PEPPER GRANTS. >> LET'S TAKE THESE IN ORDER ITEM NUMBER 1. THIS IS ITEM COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, 10A ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, AND I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP. I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS. TIM, WOULD YOU INTRODUCE THIS OR IS IT? >> YES, SIR. >> JUST GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> TEMPTATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, DIRECTOR, AND ALSO WITH THIS IN THE DEPARTMENT IS KYLE CLARK, WHO'S OUR COASTAL RESOURCES MANAGER. I DO HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR YOU. NEXT SLIDE. ALL OF THIS HAS COME ABOUT AS A RESULT OF BASICALLY OF A REQUEST OF THE TIARA CONDOMINIUMS. HOWEVER, THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING THIS JUST AS AN ACTION THAT WOULD BENEFIT THEM. WE SEE IT AS A GREATER CONTEXT OF WHERE WE MIGHT PROVIDE SOME RELIEF. BUT THE TIARA CONDOMINIUMS, IN PARTICULAR, HAVE REQUESTED SOME RELIEF FROM THESE REQUIREMENTS. THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROPOSING A 10 STORY DEVELOPMENT, AND PLUS SOME ROOF LEVEL ACTIVITY. THEY'RE PROPOSING A REINFORCED CONCRETE SLAB INSTEAD OF FIBERCRETE. THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE DETAINING STORMWATER. THEY'RE REALLY HAVE A DUAL USE AS THEY ARE PROPOSING UNDER THE BUILDING. THAT DUAL USE IS BOTH STORMWATER DETENTION AND A LEVEL OF PARKING. THEIR PROJECT ENGINEER BASICALLY HAS FOUND THAT FIBERCRETE WOULD OR MAY CAUSE SOME FUTURE FOUNDATION FAILURE AND THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, [01:45:03] OBVIOUSLY ANYBODY WOULD BE. THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT THEY USE THE REINFORCED CONCRETE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THAT SLAB UNDER THE BUILDING. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT ABOUT 70 PERCENT OF THAT SLAB IS LANDWARD FROM THE 200-FOOT FROM THE LINE OF VEGETATION AND THEY'RE ALREADY ALLOWED TO USE REINFORCED CONCRETE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. ANYBODY BEYOND THAT 200-FOOT POINT, CAN ALREADY USE REINFORCED CONCRETE. IT'S THAT LEVEL BETWEEN THE 200 AND THE LINE OF VEGETATION THAT THIS ISSUE IS COMING UP. NEXT SLIDE, THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE GEOGRAPHICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DUNE MATERIAL, THE LINE OF VEGETATION THAT'S BEEN DENOTED, AND WHERE THAT 200-FOOT LINE IS ON THE NORTH END OF THE YELLOW PART. THAT PART OF THE STRUCTURE IS WHERE FIBERCRETE WOULD OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED INSTEAD OF REINFORCED CONCRETE. [NOISE] >> IT'S A SINGLE LARGE-SCALE BUILDING. AGAIN WITH A DETENTION REQUIREMENT AND PARKING UNDERNEATH. THAT IS SOMEWHAT MONOLITHIC IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAS TO BE CREATED AS THEIR ENGINEERS HAVE DESIGNED THIS. NOW, THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED FULL-ON PERMITS YET. WE HAVE SOME DETAIL IN THE BEACH-FRONT APPLICATION, BUT NOT A WHOLE GREAT DEGREE OF DETAIL. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING BE EXEMPTED FROM THE FIBERCRETE AND GO WITH THE CONCRETE LAYER AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IF YOU DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS, WE WOULD SUBMIT THIS AS ONE OF THE THREE CURRENT AMENDMENTS IN THE BEACH ACCESS AND DUNE PROTECTION PLAN, WE HAVE PACKAGED THEM TOGETHER FOR EASE OF GETTING THROUGH THE GLO. THEY ONLY ALLOW ONE AMENDMENT AT A TIME. EVERYTHING THAT WE WOULD PUT IN THAT AMENDMENT, BASICALLY IT WOULD GO UP AT THE SAME TIME. AS YOU WELL REMEMBER WE HAD BEACHSIDE VILLAGE HAD AN AMENDMENT FROM LAST MEETING THAT WAS GOING THROUGH AND THIS WOULD BE ADDED TO THAT. IT'S CODIFIED IN CHAPTER 29 AND BASICALLY, THE REQUIREMENT THAT FIBERCRETE IS SOMETHING THAT THE GLO PUT IN PLACE AS AN ALTERNATIVE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. ITS MAIN PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW EFFECTIVE CLEANUP, MORE MANAGEABLE CLEANUP WHEN A MAJOR STORM HITS. OF COURSE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE SINCE IT'S BEEN IN PLACE. THAT'S THE SCALE THAT WOULD SHIFT SLABS AROUND. BUT IT COULD BE ON THE HORIZON ANYTIME. WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW OUR STANDARDS ARE TYPICAL TO THE BEACHFRONT LAND USE IS ON THE WEST END, WHICH IS SINGLE-FAMILY. IT'S A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL PROGRAM AT THE MOMENT. THEY DON'T EFFECTIVELY CONTEMPLATE THE NECESSITY OF THESE MORE INTENSE LAND USES WITH THESE LARGER BUILDINGS. THIS IS AN ANSWER TO THAT. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE RESILIENT BUILDING DESIGNS FOR LARGER BUILDINGS ADEQUATE TO LONGER STRESSFUL LIFE AND SAFER OUTCOMES IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE GENOME. [NOISE] >> SOME OF THE SPECIFICS IN HIS CRITERIA. BY THE WAY, THIS FIRST PARAGRAPH IS THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO QUALIFY FOR THIS EXEMPTION AS PROPOSED. IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO LARGE MULTI-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION OF FIVE OR MORE STORIES AND COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES CONTAINING AT LEAST 10,000 SQUARE FEET AT THE DECK LEVEL THAT WOULD BE AT OR ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. IT'S NOT EVERY DEVELOPMENT. IN FACT, IN AN ANALYSIS THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU HERE SHORTLY, MANY OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE LARGER STRUCTURES STILL DON'T EVEN MEET THIS REQUIREMENT OF THE FIVE STORIES OR MORE. >> JUST TO CLARIFY [OVERLAPPING] >> TO EVERYONE. WHEN YOU'RE SO THE FIRST LEVEL WHICH START ABOVE BFA. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BASE FLOOD ELEVATION? >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY THE DECK LEVEL. THE DECK LEVEL'S THAT FACE FLOOD ELEVATION. [01:50:03] >> PRACTICALLY, IT WOULD BE SIX STORIES OR ABOVE IF YOU WERE GOING FROM THE GROUND. >> FROM THE GROUND, YES. [NOISE] >> WE CHANGED THE DEFINITION SINCE THE LAST MEETING AND ADDED THIS DECK-LEVEL CONDITION IN THERE AS WELL. THAT WE WENT AWAY FROM THAT WHOLE NOTION OF JUST WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, WHICH IS LARGE-SCALE VERSUS SMALL-SCALE CONSTRUCTION. IT DIDN'T HAVE MUCH DEFINITION WITH IT IN THE GLO REQUIREMENTS. WE PUT A LITTLE MORE FURTHER DEFINITION WITH THAT. THIS ONLY APPLIES IN ERODING AREAS. AGAIN, ONLY TO MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL LAND USES AND ONLY UNDER THE STRUCTURES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED OUTSIDE OF THE STRUCTURES. >> TIM, JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS ALREADY EXISTS. YOU CAN USE REINFORCED CONCRETE EVERYWHERE, BUT THE ERODING AREAS. >> CORRECT. >> OUTSIDE OF 200 FEETS. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE APPLICABILITY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEW WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED. THEY REVIEW THINGS BASICALLY FROM THE DO PROTECTION LINE AND WITH THE 75 FEET [OVERLAPPING] >> THE GLO ALSO RECENTLY ADOPTED SOME STANDARDS WHICH ALLOW FOR SOME REINFORCED CONCRETE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT AREA. BUT IT'S ONLY RELATED TO ADA ACCESSIBILITY. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE SOMEHOW SAYING THIS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE OKAY. WHAT'S THAT SAYING IS THEY HAVE SELECTED A PURPOSE IN WHICH THEY'VE SAID THAT REINFORCED CONCRETE IN THAT 200 FOOT AREA IS ALLOWABLE. I GUESS STAFF MAINTAINS THAT, FOR THE PROTECTION OF BUILDINGS AND THEIR LONGEVITY. WE'RE SUGGESTING THIS AS WELL TO ALLOW FOR SOME CHANGE IN THE STANDARDS. AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, AGAIN, BACK TO THAT WHOLE MOTION OF THE CLEANUP ISSUE. WE REQUIRE A CLEANUP MITIGATION FEE THAT APPLIES TO EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN, IN THAT AREA. THE CURRENT RATE IS $200 PER UNIT. IT'S A ONETIME FEE, IS PAID UPFRONT, IT'S PUT INTO AN ACCOUNT AND THE SEA CAN USE IT TO HELP MITIGATE AND CLEAN UP SHOULD A MAJOR STORM HAPPENED. THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE FIBER CRIP AND THE DIFFERENCE WITH A CONCRETE SLAB IS OBVIOUSLY FIBER CRIP BREAKS DOWN CONSIDERABLY QUICKER IN SMALLER CHUNKS AND THAT THING. OUR THOUGHT ON THIS WAS THAT CONCRETE CLEANUP WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND SO WE'VE REACTED WITH A MITIGATING PROPOSAL FOR A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, TO OFFSET THOSE COSTS. BUT LET'S FACE IT, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCRETE ON THREE OR FIVE OR WHATEVER, AND THAT MEANS THAT THOSE ENTIRE BUILDINGS ARE ALSO ON 3005 AND IT'S NOT JUST A SLAB ISSUE, IT'S THE FACT THAT, WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CLEAN UP IS CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN JUST A SLAB. BUT ANYHOW, THIS WAS OUR PROPOSAL FOR MITIGATING THOSE COST EXPENDITURES THAT WOULD BECOME NECESSARY SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN. WE'RE OPEN TO SUGGESTION ON THAT, BUT THIS IS THE RATE THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE PROBABLY BEST. NOW, I ALSO WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I ANALYZED THE GEOGRAPHY IN THIS 200 FOOT LINE. THERE ARE REALLY VERY FEW AREAS OF GEOGRAPHY WHERE GIVEN THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF A SITE CONVERSION, THAT THIS EVEN EXISTS. I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE RIGHT UP FRONT BECAUSE I'VE GOT A SMALL MAP HERE THAT DENOTES THIS. IT COULDN'T BE PLACED ON THIS DISPLAYED BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SEE IT AT ALL. BUT AS YOU SEE THIS, YOU SEE THE GREEN LINE. THIS IS FROM THE WEST END OUT WHERE WE HAVE ERODING BEACHES. THAT GREEN LINE IS THE LINE OF VEGETATION. THEN YOU CAN SEE THE 200 FOOT IS THE SLIGHT GRAY LINE IN THERE BEHIND IT. THAT GIVES YOU A FEEL FOR HOW MUCH OF THE GEOGRAPHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A VERY NARROW STRIP. THERE'S NOT MUCH REALLY THERE TO IT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ZONES GOING THROUGH ALMOST ALL OF IT EXCLUSIVELY A SINGLE-FAMILY. [01:55:03] HOWEVER, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SPOTS THAT ARE READ AS WRECK, OUR R2 AND A COUPLE OF COMMERCIAL SPOTS. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IF WE WERE TO ZOOM INTO THIS AND I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS THAT THE NEXT SLIDE THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY IS A SPREADSHEET SHOWING ALL THE TRACKS THAT HAVE THE PROPER ZONING IN WHICH SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD OCCUR. WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE LEFT COLUMN, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE THE FIVE TRACKS UNDEVELOPED, THAT THIS IS LIKELY TO AFFECT. ALL THE OTHER TRACKS ARE EITHER OUTSIDE DISTANCE TO THE LINE OF VEGETATION, I SHOULD SAY. OR DON'T MAKE THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT ON THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT OR ARE NOT IN THE PROPER ZONE. OF ALL THE ENTIRE WEST END, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT FIVE POTENTIAL PARCELS THAT THIS REALLY WOULD AFFECT. FOUR OF THOSE FIVE PARCELS ARE RIGHT UP NEAR THE END OF THE SEAWALL. TIARA IS ONE OF THEM. THERE'S A COMMERCIAL TRACKS RIGHT, LITERALLY ADJACENT TO AND TO THE WEST OF THE TIARA ATTRACT THAT THERE IS SOME PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON RIGHT NOW AS WELL. ALTHOUGH IT HASN'T GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GETTING THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALL THOSE THINGS YET OR TO YOU YET. BUT THERE'S TWO TRACKS THERE AND THEN THERE'S A SUBTRACTS DOWN BY 7.5 MILE ROAD, WHICH TO BE QUITE HONEST, ARE MORE OR LESS WETLANDS. DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE WOULD EVER DEVELOP, BUT POTENTIALLY THEY COULD. THEN LASTLY, WE'VE GOT SOMEONE UNDEVELOPED TREKS EAST OF 7.5 MILE ROAD, WHICH IS A RESURRECT AS WELL AND THOSE ARE RIGHT HERE. THAT GIVES YOU A FEEL FOR WHAT ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT AS TO WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT AND IT'S FIVE PARSONS? >> BUT SO COULD WE BRACKET IT TO THIS SPECIFIC AREAS AND THESE BUILDINGS, THAT'S PART BY MESSY WALL AND THE PART NOT? >> THAT A GOOD QUESTION IN PART OF THIS BEHIND THE SEAWALL, BUT THEY'RE FRONTAGE IS NOT BEHIND A SEAWALL. I BELIEVE THEY STILL HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH THE GLO RULES. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT I MEAN IN OUR ACCESS PLAN. [OVERLAPPING] >. OH. YEAH. >> CAN I HAVE FUTURE CONCERNS. >> STUFF IN FRONT OF THE SEAWALL IT'S ALREADY EXAMINED. >> NO [OVERLAPPING] >>I'M TALKING ABOUT SO YOU IDENTIFIED FIVE TRACKS. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE HAVE THIS PARTICULAR TRACK WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE INFLUENCING THIS SUCH AS THE DRAINAGE DETENTION AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. IN THIS ACCESS AMENDMENT, COULD WE BRACKETED TO THAT PROPERTY? >> HAVE THE AMENDMENT APPLIES ONLY TO THIS PROPERTY, NOT OPEN IT UP FOR OTHER TRACKS HERE IN GALVESTON, AND POSSIBLY INFLUENCE BEACH ACCESS PLANTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AM SUPPORTING THAT THOUGHT TO THAT, IF THERE'S SOME USE THERE A WAY TO DO THAT. >>I MIGHT ASK FOR SOME LEGAL ASSISTANCE ON THAT QUESTION BECAUSE, WHEN YOU PASS AN ORDINANCE, BRACKETING IT, CAN BE A LITTLE TRICKY. WOULD YOU CARE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? >> IF THE REASONS FOR DOING SO AT LEAST HAVE RATIONAL RELATIONSHIP, CHOOSE A PURPOSE TO BE ATTAINED. THE ANSWER IS YES. OTHERWISE IT COULD REVIEWED AS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS AND SUBJECT TO ATTACK [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> COME ON UP HERE, DON AND SAY THAT AGAIN. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. >> IF SLICING A PART OUT, IN SAY NATIONAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE YOU ARE TRYING TO SERVE? THE ANSWER IS YES. IF HOWEVER, YOU WERE SLICING OUT A PIECE, JUST TO DO IT WITH NO REASON ARTICULATED, [02:00:05] THAT COULD BE VIEWED AS BEING ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS AND SUBJECT TO ATTACK. >> SAYING THAT [LAUGHTER] >> HOPEFULLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT DON SAID, TIM CAN WE DO THAT? [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THERE IS A UNIQUE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATION RIGHT AT THE END OF THE SEAWALL. THERE ARE SEVERAL PARCELS THERE THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED, BUT CLEARLY ARE VERY VALUABLE PROPERTIES AND WILL DEVELOP AND LIKELY HAVE HAD PROPOSALS WITH THEM. IT'S ALSO A VERY COMMERCIAL RESURRECT AREA RIGHT AT THE END OF THE SEAWALL AS WELL, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT AS YOU GO DOWN TO THE WEST END, IT'S MOSTLY A SINGLE FAMILY. POTENTIALLY YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS OF THOSE PARCELS WITHIN SAY, THE FIRST MILE OR SO FROM THE END OF THE SEAWALL [OVERLAPPING] >> IS PROPERTIES EAST OF THE SEASCAPE [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] >> EAST OF THE SEASCAPE WOULD GET THE TWO PARCELS THAT WE HAVE. IF YOU DON'T DO THAT ONE NEXT TO THIS ONE >> IS THAT MAKE US LESS ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SIT AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT THIS. >> I KNOW DAVID WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING TOO. COULD YOU EVEN HIGHLIGHT THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING HAS TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE 200 FOOT? >> THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA >> IN THIS CASE, IT IS A MAJORITY. >> YEAH. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PRACTICAL QUESTIONS. WE'RE DOING IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD HERE. DID NO ONE THINK THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WHEN THEY STARTED PERMITTING THIS, THAT THIS WAS GOING TO GET OUTSIDE THE VEGETATION OR TOO CLOSE TO THE VEGETATION LINES? THIS SHOULDN'T COME AS A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY WHO DID IT. >> I WOULDN'T THINK. >> BECAUSE AS I RECALL, THERE WERE THESE CONSIDERATIONS SIX, EIGHT MONTHS AGO WHENEVER WE ADDRESS THIS PERMITTING IN COUNCIL TO BEGIN WITH. >> THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK AT THAT POINT THEY WERE AT THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN VERSUS WHAT THEY'VE GOT NOW IS TO THE POINT WHERE THEIR ENGINEER IS LOOKING AT THIS AND THEY HAVE TO FIND OUT WHERE THESE DETENTIONS CAN GO WHERE'S, THEIR PARKING GOING TO GO, AND THEY'VE LANDED ON THIS SOLUTION. >> I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FINAL PARCEL FURTHER DOWN THE BEAKER. WHY WOULD I? THIS QUARTER WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THEM AND NOT DOING IT FOR ME. THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THERE, BUT THERE CERTAINLY ARE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THERE. BUT WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT GLO IS GOING TO PROVE THIS? THEN THAT SAID, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT A REJECTION OF THIS, IN THIS AMENDMENT WOULD JEOPARDIZE OTHER THINGS IN THIS AMENDMENT? >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RISK THAT IT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE AMENDMENT. >> THEY'VE DONE THAT BEFORE. >> WELL, IF WE TELL THEM WE'RE GOING TO PULL THIS OUT BECAUSE WE GOT A DIFFERENT SOLUTION IT WOULD REPRESENT PROBABLY SOME DELAY BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT. >> I'M SORRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> WELL, IN TERMS OF THE TIMING, WE WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT ALL THREE OF THESE ITEMS TOGETHER FOR THE AMENDMENT. >> WHY? >> BECAUSE THE GLO WILL ONLY RENDER DECISION ON ONE AMENDMENT AT A TIME. IF IT'S NOT IN THE AMENDMENT, IT'S GOT AWAY TO THE NEXT. >> LET'S LOOK AT THAT, THEN I'LL COME BACK TO THE QUESTION. IF WE SUBMIT THIS AMENDMENT WITH THESE THREE ITEMS IN IT, AND THEY'RE NOT LIKE NUMBER 1, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THEY'RE GOING TO SAY YES, NUMBER 2 AND 3, AND NOT NUMBER 1 >> I THINK IT'S PRETTY HIGH. >> THEY'LL SEPARATE THEM OUT. WE CAN'T SEPARATE THEM OUT. >> THEY MAY EVEN SAY YES TO ONE. >> THEY MAY OF COURSE, BUT I DON'T SEE. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU ALONE LAST WEEK. THERE'S ACTUALLY STAFF MEMBERS DOWN AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY IN-DEPTH. THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY RECOMMENDED WAS STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CHANGE. THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, THEY WERE SAYING WELL, THERE ARE PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES IN FLORIDA THAT THEY TAKE THE WATER OUT ONTO THE BEACH AND HAVE DIFFUSERS. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED TO THEM. THERE'S NO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO THEM THAT'LL BE [02:05:01] SOME TYPE OF SOMETHING ON THAT SIDE OF THE BEACH. >> TO CLARIFY WHAT CARL'S TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE FURTHER, WE DID RUN THE SPOT OF GLO AND THEIR THOUGHTS WERE ISN'T THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS IT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS REQUIRED TO DO THEY'VE GOT TO DETAIN BECAUSE IT'S THE UPPER PART OF THE WATERSHED AND AS IT FLOWS ACROSS THE ISLAND TO THE BASE SIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE EFFECTIVE DETENTION HAPPENS. WELL, IF THERE WERE A WAY TO SOMEHOW DISCHARGE THIS PARCEL THAT JUST HAPPENS TO FRONT THE BEACH OUT TOWARD THE BEACH, THEN YOU WOULD REMOVE THAT SITUATION. >> WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE CHANNEL WHEN IT'S A CONCRETE ISSUE? >> YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING. JOHN, IF YOU COULD HOLD THAT QUESTION HERE WE HAD DAVID [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED. >> WELL, OKAY. GOOD. GO RIGHT AHEAD. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, THIS GETS YOURS ANSWERED AND THEN I'D LIKE TO [OVERLAPPING] >> HOW MANY ITEMS DO WE HAVE ON THIS AMENDMENT? >> I'M SORRY? >> HOW MANY ITEMS DO WE HAVE ON THIS AMENDMENT? >> THREE. >> THIS ESPECIALLY THIS AREA AND WHAT IS THE THIRD? [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THEY LOOK AT THIS, REJECT THIS, THAT'S NOT GOING TO INFLUENCE THEIR DECISIONS ON SUNNY BEACH AS IT'S PART OF YOUR SALARY? >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL, NO. >> WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE? I THINK THIS MAY GO TO JOHN'S QUESTION, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE NOW IN THIS CONVERSATION, WHEN [INAUDIBLE] TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO THE PEOPLE ABOUT CONCRETE? >> WELL, IT'S BECAUSE THE DETENTION THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS PROPERTY TO DEVELOP CAN'T REALLY EFFECTIVELY BE DONE WITH FIBER-FREE. IT WILL JEOPARDIZE THE STABILITY OF THAT SLAB AND ITS ABILITY. [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN I PLEASE FOLLOW UP ON THAT? IF THE CITY SAID WE'LL WAIVE DETENTION ON THIS PROPERTY, THEY WOULD NOT NEED REINFORCED CONCRETE AND WE WOULD NOT BE HERE? >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW THE DRAINAGE IS PLAYING INTO THIS. >> OR THE DRAINAGE IS GLO BECAUSE GLO'S REQUIREMENTS ARE YOU CAN'T DRAIN BACK? >> NO. BUT WHAT JOHN'S QUESTION IS >> IT'S A VALID QUESTION, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT'S THE CASE THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY DESIGN THIS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A DIFFERENTIAL REQUIREMENT. >> THEY COULD USE THE FIBER CREED. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IN THIS 30 PERCENT AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY COULD USE THE FIBER CREED IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ATTENTION. IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT THEN THE FIBER CREED TO MY UNDERSTANDING. >> IS THAT CORRECT? >> I BELIEVE SO. >> WE HAVE THE ARCHITECT AND CONSULTANT HERE, DO WE WANT NOW? >> IF YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT GLO, THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE GLO QUITE A BIT. THAT'S COMING FROM ONE SIDE, BUT YOU MIGHT GET SOME ANSWERS ABOUT GLO FROM THEM IF YOU WANT TO GET THAT. >> WELL, I WOULD DEPEND ON MISTIJA'S CONVERSATIONS OF GLO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD THIS. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVE FOR THE LAST WEEK AND I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WEREN'T ASKING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE WITH GLO. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WHAT THE MAYOR SAID IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT THAT IF DRAINAGE WEREN'T AN ISSUE IF DETENTION WASN'T AN ISSUE, THEY WOULDN'T NEED THE REINFORCED CONCRETE? >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. >> BUT DRAINAGE IS STILL AN ISSUE. >> DRAINAGE IS [OVERLAPPING] >> DRAINED TO THE BEACH. >> CORRECT. >> WE HAVEN'T HEARD THE LAST ONE FROM GLO ON THIS ANYWAY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WE HAD DAVID FINKLEA. I'M SORRY, DAVID. [OVERLAPPING] >> GO AHEAD. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP. [OVERLAPPING] >> COUNCILMAN FRANKLIN WE HAVE COUNCILMAN COLLINS. >> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT THIS ISSUE REALLY NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP INTO TWO PARTS. ONE FOR CONSIDERATION OF EXISTING STRUCTURES AND THEN ONE FOR CONSIDERATION OF FUTURE STRUCTURES, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AS IT RELATES TO APPLYING THIS DIRECTLY TO A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, THERE IS PRECEDENCE THAT THE GLO PREVIOUSLY HAS ALLOWED PROVISIONS THAT PERTAIN DIRECTLY TO AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY. IN 2018, IT WAS PASSED TO ALLOW POOLS PUT IN AT THE RIVIERA, THERE WAS A CASE TO BE MADE AND THEY ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THOSE PRECEDENTS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION. FURTHERMORE, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY NO. THE DESIGN CAN BE CHANGED SUCH THAT THE STRUCTURE AND ANY REQUIRED ATTENTION IS REMOVED PAST THE 200-FOOT LINE FOR THE LAND PRETTY SLIMLY. NOW, THAT DOES CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS PLAN I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT AS STEWARDS OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, [02:10:02] WHEN WE LOOK AT TRYING TO MAKE CHANGES TO CODE OF ORDINANCES, TO THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND TO THE PRESERVATION OF SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH CAN CONTINUOUSLY REINFORCE CONCRETE PLACE WITHIN 200 LINES OF THE LINE OF PROTECTION, IS NOT THAT. YOU'RE GOING AGAINST THE 2011 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH STATES THAT WORK TO BE PRESERVING AND TO HAVE MORE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A DESIGN, A SOLUTION THAT CAN REMOVE THIS FROM OUTSIDE OF THAT 200-FOOT AREA. IF IT IS THE DIRECTION AND DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL TO PROVIDE A VARIANCE FOR THIS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO TAKE A LOOK AT JUST THIS SPECIFIC CASE. IN ADDITION, THE FEE THAT'S BEEN APPLIED FOR ONE DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT FOR THE REMOVAL HAS THERE BEEN A FULL FINANCIAL ANALYSIS DONE TO PERFORM WITH THE GUARANTEE THAT THE COST OF REMOVING THIS ONCE THIS THING FALLS INTO THE OCEAN, THAT NO FURTHER ADDITIONAL TAX BURDEN IS PLACED ON THE TAXPAYERS? >> NO. THERE'S NOT BEEN AN ANALYSIS. >> THERE WE GO. >> NOR WAS THERE AN ANALYSIS ON THE PREVIOUS REQUEST. >> I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT IS ALSO I THINK OUT OF CHARACTER FOR US TO RECOMMEND A FEE STRUCTURE ABSENT OF ANY FULL FINANCIAL ANALYSIS THAT WOULD PLACE THE ENTIRE BURDEN OR BE ABLE TO COVER THE COST OF THE FUTURE REMOVAL OF THAT CONCRETE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND WE'LL COME BACK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT EXISTING STRUCTURES. >> YES, SIR. WE HAD A QUESTION AND THEN JOHN. >> I'M GOING TO GO IN TO TAKE FIRST BUT THAT WASN'T MY INITIAL. THE FEE WASN'T THAT DEVELOPED WITH INPUT FROM THAT GLO? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS. >> IT WAS ACTUALLY DIRECTED IF I REMEMBER WAY BACK WHEN. >> THEY GENERALLY SAID THAT IT'S EXPENSIVE TO REMOVE CONCRETE SLABS BECAUSE THEY OFTENTIMES BREAK UP IN LARGER CHUNKS THAT YOU CAN'T HAUL THEM OFF WITH SMALL EQUIPMENT LIKE YOU COULD OTHER THINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO FULL-ON, BREAK THEM UP FIRST. THAT AMOUNT OF A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT DIDN'T REALLY SEEM UNREASONABLE FOR A SCALE OF THAT PROJECT SIZE OF THAT SCALE COMPARED TO A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WHERE IT'S MUCH EASIER TO REALLY GET THOSE THINGS CLEANED UP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ON THE FEE. GLO DOESN'T HAVE A FEE ON THEIR NEW CONCRETE AMENDMENT. THERE'S NO FEE REQUIREMENT FOR REINFORCED CONCRETE THAT THEY ALLOW FOR WITHIN THE 200-FOOT LONG OF VEGETATION. >> TALKING ABOUT THE ADA? >> YEAH. SO THERE'S NOT A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT FOR THE CLEANUP. [NOISE] >> WHO COLLECTED IT? >> IN TERMS OF WHO SPECIFICALLY? IT COMES IN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE, SO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES FLEXING. >> HAVE YOU EVER USED IT? >> SO DO WE HAVE A?HAVE YOU EVER USED THAT THING? >> WE HAVE NOT USED THEM. >> THE THING CAN [OVERLAPPING] >> NEVER USED IT. >> I CAME IN [OVERLAPPING] >> NEVER PLAYED UP ANY CONCRETE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. NEVER KNOW ANY FIBER GROUP. >> WE'VE NEVER USED THE FEET. >> WE'VE NOT HAD TO BECAUSE WE HAVE MINISTRY, THERE'S NOT BEEN A STORM SINCE THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED, JUST THAT DRIVE. >> THIS DESIGN. SO THIS IS REALLY AWESOME. >> YEAH. >> KNOW SWARM SINCE I, WE'VE USED THE. HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE IN THAT ACCOUNT? OPEN, REMEMBER EXACTLY. IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK AROUND, A LITTLE LESS, A LITTLE LESS THAN 100,000, MAYBE. IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT. >> DID YOU DUE TO OTHER CITIES HAVE THIS FEAT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> YEAH, IN THE YELLOWS REQUIREMENT, IS IN THEN [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH [INAUDIBLE]. >> SO AFTER I KILO OR [OVERLAPPING] >> I PUT THIS HERE AND BY THE DLL ACROSS THE BOARD? >> YEAH. >> YEAH, SIR. ALL TEXAS CITIES THAT THIS. >> HAS EVER BEEN USED IN OTHER CITIES SINCE LIKE? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW EITHER. >> FIND OUT. >> SO BUT IT WOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG TO COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH CONCRETE SHOULD BE FOR $100,000. >> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, BUT, WHY WOULD WE BE MOVING CONCRETE IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> THERE WAS AN INSTANCE IN SOUTH PADRE WHERE A BUILDING WAS BUILT WITH A FLAW AND NEVER OCCUPIED AND THE DEVELOPER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING THE WHOLE BUILDING. >> SURE. >> YEAH. >> WITH JOHN QUESTION, I THINK TIM, COULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT AND COW SAY THAT AGAIN BECAUSE. SAY THE QUESTION AGAIN, JOHN. >> WELL, I THINK NOT SO MUCH QUESTIONS THERE, BUT. [LAUGHTER] >> I KNOW THAT LAST ONE AGAIN. >> WHY WOULD WE REMOVE THE CONCRETE? >> YEAH. I MEAN, FORCING US TO REMOVE THAT CONCRETE, IS THE GLO? >> YEAH, GLO. [02:15:01] >> FROM THE BEACH. >> FROM THE BEACH. >> SO THAT'S ON OUR OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. >> THAT'S PART OF THE FEMALE [INAUDIBLE]. >> SO THE FIBER CREDIT, THE REASON IS WITHIN 200 FEET LAND VEGETATION, THAT FEE IS JUST TO CLEAN UP THE BEACH TO ENSURE BEACH ACCESS IS NOT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE 3,005 IS NOT FOR ANYTHING. THAT'S WHAT THE FEE WAS DESIGNED TO BE UTILIZED FOR IS TO CLEAN UP THE BEACH TO MAINTAIN THE BEACH ACCESS AFTER STORM EVENTS. >> SO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE GOT KNOCKED DOWN AFTER AN EVENT. AND THERE WAS CONCRETE THAT WOUND UP ON THE NOW NEW BEACH BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A BEACH HERE BEFORE WHERE THE HOUSE WAS, BUT NOW THERE'S BEACH. IT'D THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO GO OUT THERE AND PICK THAT GREEN. >> AND WE WOULD TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE, WHATEVER IS ON THE BEACH. WE TAKE THE MONEY FROM THE FUND THAT WE HAVE. >>AND IT'S COVERED BY FEYNMAN DEBRIS REMOVAL. >> SO EVERY HOUSE, THERE'S HOUSES THAT THERE ARE 201 FEET LAND VEGETATION THAT THEY HAVE CONCRETE ON. >> REINFORCED CONCRETE? >> YEAH. SIR. BECAUSE THIS IS. >> I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL LET YOU FINISH YOURS. >> WELCOME BACK TO MY MAIN QUESTION. SO PART OF THIS AMENDMENT, AS WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL FLAW IN OUR BEACH ACCESS HOW DO YOU WHATNOT, THAT IT WAS ONLY WRITTEN FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES? >> YEAH. PRETTY MUCH. >> AND WITHOUT THE FORESIGHT OF THAT IN THE FUTURE, THERE WOULD BE LARGER STRUCTURES. >> WANTING TO BE BUILT WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE WINDUP PROTECTION. >> THE CURRENT LINE OF PROTECTION. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. THE CURRENT LINE PROTECTION. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU. [NOISE] >> SO. >> NOT NECESSARILY. >> THERE ARE, IT IS WELL, IT IS FUNDAMENTAL BECAUSE WE ONLY WROTE THE PLAN FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOME,. >> BUT THE OTHER TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE HAS THIS RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE AS WELL. AND SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO ALLOW AN EXEMPTION THAT'S IN EXCESS OR NOT CONGRUENT WITH TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. SO THEY'RE REALLY I'D LIKE INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE FUTURE EVENTS AND FEES AND THINGS LIKE THIS, AFTER A STORM HAS COME BACK TO THE PRESENT. DOES THAT, WHY WOULD WE ALLOW THIS? WHY WOULD WE ALLOW THIS? WHAT'S ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE CITIZENS IN THE HOUSE? >> THAT BRINGS UP A WHOLE ANOTHER POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALLOWING REINFORCED [OVERLAPPING] >> CONCRETE IN THE AIR ABOVE THAT. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT 10 STORY BUILDING IS GOING TO BE ON THE BEACH AT SOME POINT AND YOU'RE GOING, NO, DON'T PUT ANY REINFORCED CONCRETE UNDER IT. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE 12 STOREYS OR 10 STOREYS ABOVE IT? >> THAT BRING MORE CONCRETE [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT YOU'RE BACK TO THE EXISTING PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH THE RIVIERA THAT WILL STAY IN THE PHOTO FOCUSED ON THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> SO THEN YOU'RE TAKING THIS RETREATED AS >> I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER MAKE IT UPWARDS NOW. >> RETREATED AS MENTALITY ON CONSTRUCTION. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT BEACH IS GOING TO WASH AWAY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IT WOULD BE INTRIGUED TO SEE WHAT THE LEADERS BACK IN THE 1900S SAID ABOUT THAT WHEN THEY WERE POPE PROPOSAL. BUT THE SEAWALL OUT THERE. THEN WE ALL, I DON'T KNOW WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE JUST ET THE ISLAND KEEP ERODING AND TAKE OUR HOUSES AWAY. THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY SMART. >> THE COUNTER THAT IS NOT RETREATED, IT'S TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE RESTRICTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF STRUCTURE CONCRETE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE CURRENT LINE OF VEGETATION. >> THEY'VE LIKE. >> THAT'S IT'S NOT RETRIEVED AS IT'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT. BUT YOU'RE ALLOWING TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. >> YOU'RE ALLOWING REINFORCED CONCRETE IN THAT AREA. >> ABOVE THAT ABOVE IT, LANDWARD? >> SURE. NO. >> NO. HE DOESN'T KNOW. >> NO. SEAWALL IT'S ABOUT THAT. >> SO WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWING REINFORCED CONCRETE. AND WITHIN THE 200 FEET. ABOVE THE GROUND LEVEL? >> YEAH. BUT YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO USE FIBER CREEK DOWN BELOW ON THE GROUND. >> SO WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING AND REINFORCED CONCRETE UP IN THE AIR IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMOVING THIS CONCRETE FROM BELOW? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. THAT'S NOT WHAT I THINK IT IS TRUE. >> IT IS HONESTLY THE ISSUE. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING OFF TOPIC? >> THAT'S THE [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WANT THE AGENDA. >> LET'S GET BACK TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. WE GOT REINFORCED CONCRETE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY HIGHLIGHTING THIS TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. [NOISE] >> AND IF WE DO THAT, GUIDE ME, TIM. IF WE DO THAT. >> I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT AS SEASCAPE. >> WELL, THAT IF WE DO THAT, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SHOT GUNNING THIS AND GETTING SUCKED INTO COUNCIL THIS AFTERNOON ON IT. NOW THAT'S JUST ME. BUT IF WE DID THAT AND MOVED IN THAT DIRECTION, PROBABLY IN MY MIND THAT DEFERRAL THIS ITEM TO TO RESEARCH THIS PROPERLY IN DESTRUCTURE IT PROMPTLY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. [02:20:04] SO THE THE TRACKS THE FOUR TRACKS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THE END OF THE SEAWALL THAT WE COULD MAKE, POTENTIALLY MAKE THIS ECONOMIC DISCUSSION APPLICABLE TO AND JUSTIFIABLE. THERE'S ONLY ONE MORE TRACK BEYOND THAT. EVEN IS APPLICABLE HERE. IF WE USE IF WE USE THOSE OTHER TRACKS AS PART OF OUR REASONS WHY WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING JUST THIS PARTICULAR AREA. PERSONALLY, I THINK CAN COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT OTHER AREAS SUCH AS OTHER ITEMS. THE MAJORITY OF THE STRUCTURE IS SITTING BEYOND THE 200 FOOT LINE. AND THAT WOULD APPLY TO STRUCTURES LIKE THAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH THIS ONE AND THE ONE NEXT TO IT. THE OTHER ONES DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE OF 200 FT. THEY'RE ALL LARGER PLOTS OF LAND. IT WOULD BE THAT THE TWO FLAT REST. RIGHT. SO THE YELLOW IS REQUESTING THAT THESE THREE AMENDMENTS GO IN TOGETHER, CORRECT? YES. SO IF WE DELAY IT, WE'RE DELAYING EVERYTHING AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE. WELL, OKAY. OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I WANT A CLARIFICATION HERE, BECAUSE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT JOHNSON, THAT UNDER CURRENT RULES, IF I USE FIBER FEET ON THE GROUND INSIDE THE JOINT LINE, UNDER FOOT LINE, NEXT DOOR, IF CAN I USE THE REINFORCED CONCRETE? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> WHAT'S THE RATIONALE OF THAT? [LAUGHTER] >> WE'RE ONLY GOING TO CLEAN UP THE GROUND FLOOR WHEN IT FALLS DOWN. NOW, THEN ANSWER TO THE RETREAT IS QUESTION, THE SIMPLE ANSWER THERE IS FIX THE BEACH, THEN CHANGE THE RULE, THEN BUILD. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S AN ENGINEERED BEACH? WE'VE NOTICED THAT ALREADY. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, IT JUST GOT NOURISHED. [OVERLAPPING] >> SAND AND SOME OTHER THINGS. >> REMEMBER WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO REAL NOURISH THE BEACH. WE JUST HAD A REAL NOURISHMENT IN FRONT OF THIS PROJECT, THE TIARA. WE ALSO HAVE A KEPPRA GRANT AND THE CAP TOOL OF FOWL RE-NOURISHMENT HAPPENING, PLUS EVERYTHING IS PROJECTED TO HAPPEN WITH THE GULF COAST OBJECTION DISTRICT. >> POINT TAKEN. THE REGULATION SAYS YOU CAN ONLY USE FIBER CONCRETE YOU CAN'T USE REINFORCED CONCRETE. WHOSE RULE IS THAT RIGHT NOW? [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S BOTH OF OURS. WE READ OUT THE GLO. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE STATE CUT ON THERE. >> YES. >> BUT IT IS STARTING [OVERLAPPING] >> REFERRING TO SINGLE-FAMILY, WHICH [OVERLAPPING] >> IT DOESN'T DELINEATE, IT'S A STRAIGHT CURVE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT DOESN'T DELINEATE. BUT YOU'RE SAYING THE STATE CODE ALLOWS THE USE OF REINFORCED CONCRETE ABOVE THE GROUND BUT NOT ON THE GROUND. >> CORRECT. >> YOU THINK THE RATIONALE FOR THAT IS CLEAN-UP COST? >> IT'S CALLED GLO. >> THAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THE GROUND FLOOR. >> BECAUSE THEY'RE FOCUSED ON SINGLE-FAMILY. >> RIGHT. >> CORRECT. >> I AGREE. >> AS WE STARTED LAST WEEK, WE HAD A MEETING WITH GLO, WITH THE CITY MANAGERS COUPLE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS UP AND HE SAID [NOISE] >> ENDED UP AT THAT TIME BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY SAID WHAT? >> WE MET WITH GLO AND WE TOLD THEM THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE POSSIBLY SENDING UP THIS AMENDMENT ABOUT THE REINFORCED AND HE SAID, YES, PLEASE SEND IT UP ALL THREE TOGETHER BECAUSE GLO KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE STARTED DRESSING THIS WITHIN A 200 FEET LAND VEGETATION. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP. I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY PROBABLY CHANGED THE ADA REQUIREMENT. I SAID THEY OPENED IT UP THE DOOR A LITTLE BIT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T SEE THE ADA REQUIREMENT BEING APPLICABLE TO THIS, BUT THIS DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS A PROBLEM WITH GLO AND THE STATE NEED TO GET STRAIGHTENED THEIR HEAD BEFORE WE TRY TO FIX IT UP THERE. HAND THIS UP TO HIM AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE REST OF THIS PACKAGE AS A RESULT OF THIS EITHER. THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS UP, BECAUSE THIS MAKES NO SENSE. >> I DON'T THINK IT EVER REALLY HAS MADE MUCH SENSE, TO BE HONEST. THEIR REQUIREMENT IS YOU CONTEND WITH WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AND THAT'S IT. >> LET ME ASK THIS, WHEN YOU HAD YOUR MEETING YOU AND CARLO FREDDIE, THEN WHEN YOU HAD THAT MEETING WITH THE GLO, WHAT WAS THEIR THOUGHTS ON ALLOWING REINFORCED CONCRETE WITHIN THIS 200 FOOT? >> WELL, THE GLO, THEY'RE TRYING TO BACK AWAY FROM THAT CONCEPT, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THIS SET OF PRECEDENTS. HOWEVER, WE ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT [02:25:01] THAN VIRTUALLY ANY OTHER JURISDICTION THAT'S ON THE COAST. NOBODY HAS STRUCTURES AS CLOSE TO THE BEACH AS WE DO. IT'S JUST THE HISTORICAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. >> NOBODY IS AS OLD AS WE ARE. >> NOBODY IS AS OLD AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU HAVE VERY VALUABLE LAND THAT'S OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DEVELOP. THEY HAVE DONE THEIR MARKET STUDIES AND SO THERE'S DEMAND FOR IT. THIS IS THE SITE THAT WE CHOOSE AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF THIS, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A TEN STORY BUILDING PLUS ROOF AND ALL THE AMENITY PACKAGES THAT GO ALONG WITH IT, WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDING A POOL OUT IN THAT AREA BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FIBER CONCRETE. SEVENTY PERCENT OF THE STRUCTURE IS ALREADY REINFORCED CONCRETE. THEN THIS 30 PERCENT WOULD BE THIS FIBER CONCRETE MIX THAT WOULD ATTACH SOMEHOW. IT DOESN'T SEEM VERY REASONABLE, I DON'T THINK IN THE DEVELOPERS EYES. THE NOTION THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> WE COULD HAVE THEM SPEAK. >> I WOULDN'T MIND HEARING WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE GLO. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS AT ALL. YOU'RE PUTTING 11 STORIES OF CONCRETE IN THE AIR, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT REINFORCED CONCRETE ON THE GROUND. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL. [OVERLAPPING] >> 150 MILLION DOLLARS PROPERTY VALUE WENT. >> IF THE GLO HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS, LET THE GLO SAY SO. >> LET'S KEEP THIS SHORT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE UP TO 2:30 THE WAY WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW. IF WE HAVE THE DEVELOPER OR RHONDA, I SEE RHONDA IS HERE. RHONDA WILL YOU BE SPEAKING FOR THE [OVERLAPPING] >> AND THE ARCHITECT. >> THE ARCHITECT HERE. >> STEPHEN. >> I'M NOT SURE THE COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE] TO ASK THIS QUESTION HERE. >> NO ONE EVENTUALLY WILL ASK YOU. I'M SORRY. [OVERLAPPING] >> COME ON UP HERE, WE NEED TO GET ON CAMERA. [OVERLAPPING] >> SHE SAID SHE FELT IT WAS THE OFFICIAL SETUP. WHAT YOU HEAR ABOUT WILDFLOWER. [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S A WHOLE NO. [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST OTHER ONE. >> COUNCIL, LET'S DO THIS. RATHER THAN HAVING A PRESENTATION [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T WANT ONE, I'M HEARING TO QUESTION. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S POST SOME QUESTIONS TO THE ENGINEER, DAVID FINKLEA. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S NOT TAKE THE WORST-CASE SITUATION. LET'S TAKE A MEDIUM-SIZED STORM THAT COMES IN AND WASHES OUT UNDERNEATH ALL THAT REINFORCED CONCRETE. HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO REPAIR SAND CONCRETE THAT'S SITTING UP IN THE AIR NOW? >> THERE WOULD BE FIELD TO REPLACE BACK BUT THE STRUCTURE HAS TO BE TIED WITH THAT REINFORCED CONCRETE. BASICALLY, THE DETENTION AND THE DRAINAGE IS ALL A PIECE OF THIS. THE SLAB HAS BEEN DESIGNED VIRTUALLY TO BE A FLOATING BOAT. BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS IN THE GLO, EVERYTHING ON THE BEACH HAS LAYERS OF REGULATION ON IT. THE STORMWATER IS A BIG PIECE OF IT. THEY DON'T WANT STORMWATER GOING THAT DIRECTION AND THE CITY, ALONG WITH TEXTS DOT, NO LONGER ALLOWS THAT. OUR OLD INFRASTRUCTURE GOES TO THE BEACH BUT NEW INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T, SO DETAINING AND HOLDING THAT WATER IS PIVOTAL. THAT STRUCTURE HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH PILING TO CHINA. THE STRUCTURE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND IT WOULD REQUIRE FILL RIGHT UNDERNEATH IT. >> IT'S ERODED 75 FEET UNDERNEATH THERE. HOW YOU GET THAT FILL UNDERNEATH THE 75 FEET? >> YOU PUSH IT IN. >> YOU CAN GET UNDER 10 FEET. >> BUT IF IT WAS ERODED 75 FEET [OVERLAPPING] >> WE GOT A BIG PUBLIC HOLE, [LAUGHTER] >> WE'LL ALL BE GONE. >> LIKE IN CATEGORY 10. TYPICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS, BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME UNDER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. THEY JUST COME IN AND PUSH THE SAND UNDER IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPACTED. THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT THE OTHER SITUATION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BEACH, THE GMO IS ACCEPTED THE RIVIERA AS AN EXCEPTION. IT'S NOT UNDER ANY RULE. THEY'RE CALLING IT AN EMERGENCY EXCEPTION. THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE TAXABLE VALUE ON THE ISLAND DISAPPEAR OVER THIS SITUATION AND RIVIERA IS NOT EVEN CONSIDERED IN THIS. THEY HAVE GIVEN THEM FREE BOARD TO DO EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO TO STABILIZE THAT STRUCTURE AND THEN WORK IN FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT THERE NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S AN EMERGENCY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWING THEM TO MOVE FORWARD. PERIOD. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. DAVID FINKLEA. [02:30:01] >> I'LL TAKE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT YOU JUST OPENED UP FIRST AND THEN I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE REPRESENTING. >> SURE. >> FOR THE RIVIERA, WE DON'T EVEN NEED ANY CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S AN EMERGENCY STRUCTURE AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHTS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPAIR THE STRUCTURE AS THEY SEE FIT. THE NEED FOR THE CHANGE OF COORDINATES IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE REPLACE REINFORCED CONCRETE WITHIN 200 FEET IS NOT REQUIRED? >> NO SIR. IT'S NOT. >> VERY GOOD. I WANTED TO GET THE GOOD CLARIFICATION ON THAT. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE CONSTRUCTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPER HAS A CERTAIN BUSINESS MODEL THAT HE IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE FOR THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING COULD BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT IT REMOVED ALL OF THAT REQUIRED STRUCTURAL CONCRETE FROM OUTSIDE OF LANDWARD OF THE 200 FOOT FROM ONE OF VEGETATION, CORRECT? >> NO SIR. IT'S NOT. IT'S A UNIQUE SHAPE LAWN. MAJORITY OF THE LAWN IS BEHIND THE SEAWALL AND A PORTION IS NOT. ACROSS GALVESTON ISLAND, I SAT ON DBA FOR YEARS AND WE GAVE EXCEPTION TO UNIQUE SHAPE LAWNS. IT'S THE WAY GALVESTON HAS BEEN STRUCTURED AND CREATED OVER DECADES. THAT SUBJECT MATTER OF THE UNIQUENESS AND SITUATION OF A LAWN HAS COME UP AND GOTTEN VARIANCES ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SHAPE LAWN, THE PHASE 1 PROJECT DO CHOOSE IN, LACK OF BETTER WORD, INTO THE PHASE 2 LAWN. AS SUCH, THEY HAVE DESIGNED A STRUCTURE THAT FITS AS TIGHTLY AS THEY CAN FIT ONTO THE LOCK THERE ON AND 30 PERCENT OF IT NOW REQUIRES THAT IT HAVE REINFORCED CONCRETE IN IT. >> THE QUESTION I HAVE RHONDA, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE LAST NIGHT. I THINK YOU'VE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. THE OTHER PROJECTS HAD RECEIVED A VARIANCE. THIS IS NOT A VARIANCE, THIS IS A CHANGE OF OUR BEACH ACCESS PLAN THAT IS NOT ISOLATED TO JUST ONE PARTICULAR SIDE. NOW, IN MY OPINION, I STILL WANT TO PURSUE HOW WE COULD ISOLATE THIS TO JUST THIS PARTICULAR SITE. RHONDA, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? >> WITH WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, I THINK THAT IN LOOKING AT THE RATIONALE FOR ASKING FOR THIS, I'M NOT GOING TO CALL A VARIANCE, I GUESS IT'S A VARIANCE. THE PURPOSE OF ECONOMIC GROWTH FOR THE ISLAND, THE VERY FEW DEVELOPABLE PARCELS THAT COULD BRING THIS TYPE OF TAXABLE VALUE IN SUCH A SMALL FOOTPRINT, WE ARE A BARRIER ISLAND, WE ARE FINITE WITH PROPERTY THAT'S LEFT FOR DEVELOPMENT MUCH LESS VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT, BRINGS ANOTHER FACTOR OF UNIQUENESS TO THE SITE, AND THE FACT THAT IT DOES HAVE THE PROTECTION OF THE SEAWALL FOR MORE THAN HALF OF THE SITE, AGAIN, IS ANOTHER UNIQUE FACTOR FOR THIS SITE. [NOISE] >> IF THEY COULD DEVELOP THAT LANGUAGE TO FOCUS IN ON THIS PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHIC AREA, SITE-SPECIFIC, EVEN WITH THE ADDRESS. LOOKING AT ITS ECONOMIC VALUE, THE FACT THAT IT'S IN A SINGLE LOT, IT HITS ALL OF THE CITY'S GOALS AS FAR AS DETENTION, STORM WATER QUALITY, AND THE FACTORS THAT MAKE THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, I THINK YOU COULD STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT WOULD APPEAR ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS. >> JOHN. >> RHONDA. IF THIS GETS PASSED HERE, GOES TO GLO. HOW'S THE GLO GOING TO RECEIVE THIS? >> THERE HASN'T BEEN A LINE IN THE SAND, NO. WHEN I MET WITH THE GLO, MR. GREEN AGREED THAT THIS WAS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE. THAT IT'S NOT FUNNY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S AN ODD THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. THEIR FOCUS HAS BEEN ON DEBRIS. IT'S NOT ABOUT STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SOUNDNESS OF A STRUCTURE, THE FOCUS HAS BEEN DEBRIS. THE GLO REMOVES THE DEBRIS FROM THE BEACHES, TOOK THAT AWAY FROM THE CITY. THEY'RE THE PERSON THAT COMES OUT AND DOES THAT IN THESE SITUATIONS. THEY DID SEE THE NEED, THAT'S WHEN HE EXPLAINED TO ME ABOUT RIVIERA BEING AN EXCEPTION RIGHT NOW, THAT THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE CONFIDENCE IN DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, THEY JUST NEED TO DO IT. BUT HE SAW IT AS A BOON FOR THE ISLAND, [02:35:03] THAT THIS WAS A POSITIVE ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE ISLAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS LEFT. THEY SAW THE ONLY WAY TO WORK IT, WAS WHY THE SUBJECT CAME UP, WAS TO BRING IT INTO THE [INAUDIBLE] BEACH AND DUNE AN ORDINANCE WAS OPEN. I WASN'T AWARE AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS, SO THAT THEY WANTED THIS TO COME AT THAT TIME. WHAT THE QUESTION THAT YOU ALL PROPOSED ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN IT, THEY AREN'T TIED TO EACH OTHER AT ALL, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY SEPARATE AND ONE WOULD NOT AFFECT THE OTHER ONE. THEY CAN LOOK AT THOSE JUST LIKE THREE REQUESTS AND SEPARATE ALL THREE. YES, NO, YES, NO, OR YES, YES, YES, OR NO, NO, NO. >> I"LL POINT THAT 10 YEARS OF ARGUMENT ABOUT THE 2012 BEACH PLANS SAY THAT WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> NEW FACES. THERE'S NEW PEOPLE SITTING THERE NOW. I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME REASON IN WHAT THEY DO OR TRY. >> THAT'S RARE. CHANGED THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, DID THEY? >> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> NO. [LAUGHTER] >> THIS NEEDS TO BE THE CIRCUMSTANCE. >> FROM THE TOP-DOWN. >> LATELY. >> FROM THE TOP-DOWN. >> WELL, NOW I'VE GOT A GREAT DEAL OF FAITH IN COMMISSIONER BUCKINGHAM, SHE HAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ATTITUDE THAN THE OTHERS. >> ABSOLUTELY, FROM THE TOP-DOWN. >> COUNCIL, LET'S WRAP UP THIS DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. RHONDA, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. >> SURE. WELL, THANK, YOU ALL FOR THE TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3D, 2 COUNCIL. >> JANELLE, WOULD YOU READ THAT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE? >> SURE. AMENDMENT TO THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN TO MODIFY REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE RESTRICTED USE AREA EAST OF STEWART BEACH. >> THIS IS ITEM 10B ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A POWERPOINT? [OVERLAPPING] >> I DO. YES, SIR. I'LL SEND THESE ALL OUT TO YOU AS WELL. I KNOW THAT WE JUST HAD A WEEK FROM THE LAST MEETING, BUT I'LL GET YOU THESE [NOISE] >> WE ALL SAW THE PROPERTY [NOISE] >> OH, WONDERFUL. I SAW THAT YOU WERE THERE. >>YES, THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT REALLY TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. IT WOULD PROPOSE TO REMOVE A PORTION OF THE RESTRICTED USE AREA AND THEN RESTRICT VEHICULAR ACCESS ON 1,000 FEET OF THE EXISTING RESTRICTED USE AREA. WHAT YOU SEE THERE BEFORE YOU IS THE LETTER THAT WAS DRAFTED AND SENT IN 2004 TO THE CITY FROM THE THEN COMMISSIONER JERRY PATTERSON, WHICH BASICALLY SAID, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO SEASONAL ACCESS, THEY WERE PROPOSING THAT THESE THREE PARTIES, FISHERMEN, RECREATIONAL BOATERS, MOTORS, HANDICAPPED INDIVIDUALS, WOULD BE PROTECTED IN THIS CRITERIA. WHAT YOU'LL SEE LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION IS THAT WHEN THIS RESTRICTED USE AREA WAS PUT INTO PLACE, THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE USE OF THOSE THREE DESIGNATED PARTIES. AS WELL, WE DON'T HAVE SEASONAL ACCESS DOWN THERE. WE DO HAVE IT AT ACCESS POINT 33, I BELIEVE IT IS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THIS AREA. [NOISE] >> OF COURSE, THE RESTRICTED USE AREA, REMOVAL OF IT, MUST OCCUR BEFORE WE DO THE VEHICULAR RESTRICTION PORTION OF THIS AS WELL. IT HAS TO BE SEQUENTIAL. GALVESTON IS THE ONLY CITY THAT HAS A RESTRICTED USE AREA IMPOSED ON IT UP DOWN THE ENTIRE TEXAS COAST. >> IT'S NOT PART OF TEXAS STATE LAW. >> IT WAS SUGGESTED AND WE ACCEPTED IT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT'S OUR PLAN. >> IT'S NOT UNDER STATE LAW >> IT'S OUR PLAN. THAT'S CORRECT. BAD CHOICE OF WORD. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AS WELL IN 2019, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED TO RESTRICT IT FROM VEHICULAR OR TRAFFIC AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NOW, HERE YOU'LL SEE, COUNCILMAN BOUVIER, YOU HAD ASKED FOR A MAP OF THE RESTRICTED USE AREA. THIS IS IT. IT'S 2,640 LINEAR FEET, 1,640 FEET ARE ABUTTING THE PRESERVE OF GRAND BEACH, AND BASICALLY, 1,000 FEET ROUGHLY ARE ABUTTING THE OWNER, I GUESS, HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? RREAF. >> RREAF. THAT'S A COMMONER. >> YES. THAT'S HOW THE APPORTIONMENT OF THAT 2,640 FEET FALLS OUT. [02:40:07] BOTH THE PRESERVE OF GRAND BEACH AND RREAF HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THIS AREA TO VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, AND BOTH HAVE DONE IMPROVEMENTS IN ADVANCE OF GLO APPROVING THIS. THE GLO WOULD CONSIDER THIS BASED UPON WHAT THEY REQUIRE, AT LEAST THE RREAF PROPERTY TO PERFORM, WHICH IS THEY PROVIDED THE 1-15 SPACES. IN FACT, THEY PROVIDED MORE THAN THE 1-15 SPACES, MANY MORE. I'LL GET TO THAT IN A FUTURE SLIDE. THEN THE PRESERVE OF GRAND BEACH HAS PROVIDED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO MEET THE 1-15 AS A PUBLIC PARKING CRITERIA. LET ME GET TO THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. DO YOU SEE THE TWO PINK LINEAR STRIPS THAT LEAD TOWARD THE 2,600 FEET RESTRICTED USE AREA? THOSE TWO PARCELS, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE RREAF PARCEL, AND THEY'VE GOT 143 PARKING SPACES IN THAT. THE ONE ON THE LEFT, THE SHORTER ONE, IS THE PRESERVE OF GRAND BEACH AND THEY HAVE 80 SPACES IN THAT. THE PRESERVE A GRAND BEACH WOULD NEED 110 SPACES FOR THEIR AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE. THEY DO HAVE ANOTHER PARKING LOT THAT'S ALONGSIDE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT TO THE LEFT THERE. IT'S A LITTLE SQUARE AREA THAT PROBABLY WOULD GET THEM TO THE 110. HOWEVER, IT'S BEHIND A GATED PRIVATE ENTRY GATE FOR THE SUBDIVISION, AND SO IT'S NOT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE. GLO WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT. OF COURSE, WE WOULDN'T EITHER IN TERMS OF BEING PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PARKING. BUT THE RREAF PROPERTY HAS 143 SPACES. THAT 143 NUMBER PLUS THEIR WALKOVER, BY THE WAY, IS ENOUGH TO COVER NOT ONLY THEIR 1,000 FEET OF THE RESTRICTED USE AREA, BUT THE ENTIRETY OF THEIR PARCEL WHICH GOES ALL THE WAY TO ISLANDER EAST. THEY'VE GOT 2,000 FEET OF FRONTAGE. CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOSE-UP OF SOME OF THAT AREA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THEY HAVE 1,000 FEET OF VEHICULAR PROHIBITION AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE 67 PARKING SPACES, BUT THEY'VE GOT 143 PLUS THE DUNE WALKOVER. OF COURSE, THE 143 IS WHAT MR. ANDERSON AND HIS PARTIES THERE HAVE PROVIDED, WHICH IS WELL IN EXCESS OF WHAT THEY NEED TO PROVIDE. HE'S ALSO HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED THE RESTRICTED USE AREA, AND I GUESS IT'S FOR FIVE YEARS, NOT FOUR-AND-A-HALF, I MADE A MISTAKE THERE, AND THOSE RESULTS SHOW THAT VERY FEW VISITORS IN THOSE THREE CATEGORIES AND THE RESTRICTED USE AREA HAVE BEEN VISITING THE SITE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HE'S CONDUCTED SURVEYS AT THE GLO'S DIRECTION, 56 MONTHS WORTH AND 175 SURVEY DAYS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY ABOUT ONCE A WEEK, THEREABOUTS THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN OUT THERE AND DONE THESE COUNTS. OF THAT WHOLE 175 SURVEY DAYS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE DOCUMENTING WHO'S OUT AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE, THOSE ARE THE TOTALS SHOWN. NINETY FOUR VISITORS. [OVERLAPPING] >> THOSE ARE NUMBER OF PEOPLE? >> YES. NINETY FOUR VISITORS FOR FISHING, ADA, 25 AND NON-MOTORIZED VESSELS, THREE. I KNOW MR. ANDERSON WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT THAT IF YOU WOULD CARE TO HEAR IT. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT RESTRICTED USE AREA WAS IMPOSED AND IT'S JUST LITERALLY NOT GENERATING THE USE THAT MAYBE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD. ADD TO THAT THE FACT THAT YOU COULD DO MOST OF THOSE THINGS IN ANY ACCESSIBLE AREA WHERE YOU CAN DRIVE ON THE BEACH [02:45:03] OR WHERE YOU CAN COME UP TO THE BEACH AND PARK NEAR IT. >> MAY I TELL SOMETHING IN THERE. >> YES, SIR. >> WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL YOU'RE BRINGING TO US TODAY THAN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK? YOU'D HAVE DRAWN A LINE ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF THAT 1C ACCESS AREA. >> YES. >> AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU SHOWED US BEFORE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MAP. [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, IF YOU GO BACK ABOUT TWO OR THREE SLIDES OF THOSE PINK AREA TO SHOW THAT VERY CLEARLY THAT WHEN YOU BROUGHT IT TO US BEFORE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE 2,600 SQUARE FEET. >> YES, SIR. >> ALL THE WAY TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF STEWART BEACH. BUT YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GLO DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY WERE PROBABLY NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT THE ENTIRE AREA BECAUSE THE WESTERN MOST PORTION OF IT DOES NOT MEET THE PARKING. >> IT DOES NOT. >> DOES NOT MEET THE PARKING ACCESS OF REFERENCE. WHEREAS THAT PORTION THAT IS TODAY RREAF DEVELOPMENT. THEY DIDN'T DO THE SURVEY ON THIS, MR. ANDERSON DID THAT, BUT THAT 1,000 FEET FROM 1C EAST OF THE CURRENT BALLARD LINE WHICH IS ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THAT RREAF PROPERTY. >> CAN WE PUT THE BACK UP THERE [OVERLAPPING] >> SO WE CAN. I'M NOT TOTALLY FOLLOWING YOU. >> ONE MORE. >> BACK ONE MORE. >> RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE 2,600 LINEAR FEET. THIS IS THE PICTURE. THIS IS WHAT TIM BROUGHT BEFORE US LAST WEEK. GLO'S INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO REMOVING THE RESTRICTION ON THE ENTIRE AREA BECAUSE THIS AREA HAS BEEN SURVEYED AND IMPROVED. THAT OF COURSE IS THE PINK AREA THAT HE WAS SHOWING EARLIER, WHEREAS THIS AREA HAS NOT MET THAT 1-15 REQUIREMENT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I HAVE SOME UNIMPROVED PARKING AREA BACK HERE, BUT THE IMPROVEMENT HAS BEEN ON THIS SIDE, THE WALKOVER IS ON THIS SIDE AND THIS AREA, THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO IMPROVING. IF THE HOA HERE COMPLETED THIS AND GOTTEN TO THAT IN A FUTURE AMENDMENT, WE COULD PROPOSE THAT AS WELL. >> ABSOLUTELY. AT THIS POINT IF THE RESTRICTED USE AREA WERE TO BE REMOVED IN ITS ENTIRETY, THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE BEACH FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS IN FRONT OF THE PRESERVE AT GRAND BEACH WITHOUT RESTRICTION. RIGHT NOW IT'S RESTRICTED TO THOSE THREE CLASSES. >> I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE VEHICULAR ACCESS AND SPECIAL USE AREA. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S KEEP TALKING ABOUT THOSE ONE THING. YES, THEY HAVE TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN. YOUR PROPOSAL IS THAT WE SUBMIT THIS AS THAT SECOND ITEM IN THE AMENDMENT? >> YES. JUST THE 1,000 FEET. >> THE 1,000 FEET AND WE RESERVE THIS FOR A FUTURE AMENDMENT WHEN THIS IMPROVEMENT IS DONE. >> YES. >> I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE FROM THOSE TWO AREAS. >> SHOULD THE PRESERVE AT GRAND BEACH COME BACK AND USE THAT EXTRA PARKING THAT'S BEHIND THEIR GATES AND SOMEHOW PROVIDED ACCESS TO IT PUBLICLY, THEN I THINK THEY COULD PURSUE AN AMENDMENT IN THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, TIM. >> SURE. >> APPRECIATE THAT, VERY LEGIBLE. BASICALLY, WHAT DAVID HAS OUTLINED IS THAT THE LAND ON THE BEACH, THAT'S THE RESTRICTED USE AREA THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE RREAF PROPERTY OR SOUTH OF THE RREAF PROPERTY IS THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT WE ARE RELINQUISHING THE RUA ON FRIDAY AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE ENOUGH OFF-BEACH PARKING, AND MR. ANDERSON HAS BEEN VERY FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE HE FOLLOWS THOSE RULES PROPERLY AND THANK YOU. BUT THE OTHER IF THE GRAND PRESERVE WANTS TO COME AND DO THIS IN THE FUTURE AND WANTS TO PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING, THEN THEY CAN DO THAT AND GET THE SAME CONSIDERATION. >> YES, SIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING. TALKED WITH THE GLO LAST WEEK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RESTRICTED USE AREA AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE OPEN TO REMOVING THE RESTRICTED USE AREA BECAUSE NOW THAT THE STEWART BEACH HAS ADA BEACH WHEELCHAIRS, THIS ACCOMPLISHING THAT AND YOU CAN FISH ANYWHERE ON THE BEACH. THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT I'VE GOTTEN WERE A FEW COMMENTS FROM NON-MOTORIZED VESSELS, BUT IF THOSE SURVEYS SHOW THAT IT WOULDN'T BE BEING USED AND IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THAT ALSO TO RESTRICT THAT, SO THEY WERE AWARE OF THOSE. >> CATCHMENT THING. >> IS PARKING FOR THE RESTRICTED USE AREA CURRENTLY FREE IN THIS LOCATION? >> YES. >> PARKING IN STEWART BEACH IS NOT FREE? [OVERLAPPING] >> IT IS FOR HANDICAP. >> IT IS FOR HANDICAP? >> YES, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT IF YOU HAVE A HANDICAP PLACARD THAT YOU CAN PARK. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. [OVERLAPPING] >> LET ME CLARIFY, STEWART BEACH HAS FREE PARKING. IT'S OVER TO THE [OVERLAPPING] >> FAR EASTERN SIDE OF THAT. >> YOU ACTUALLY CAN ACCESS THE RESTRICTED USE AREA THROUGH STEWART BEACH. [OVERLAPPING] >> FROM THE FAR EAST SIDE. >> RIGHT. CORRECT. [02:50:01] >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? TIM, COME BACK GOOD FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING IN TO THE WILDFLOWERS. YOU MAY WANT TO STICK AROUND, I DON'T THINK THIS INVOLVES YOU THOUGH KYLE. [LAUGHTER] >> NOW WE'RE ON THREE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M SORRY, THAT'S CORRECT. PARK BOARD PARTICIPATION WITH CEPRA GRANTS, WE HAVE KIMBERLY DANESI. KIMBERLY, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD. KIMBERLY, I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATE YOU. THIS IS THE NEW INTERIM CEO OF THE PARK BOARD, CONGRATULATIONS. HAVE A SEAT, IF YOU WOULD. AT OUR LAST MEETING, KIMBERLY, YOU MAY HAVE WATCHED THAT, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT PARK BOARD'S INVOLVEMENT WITH CEPRA GRANTS, WHICH YOUR PAST EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN AND WHAT YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH THE CEPRA 13 GRANT IS? >> I THINK THE STATUS IS WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO KNOW BECAUSE WE ARE QUICKLY APPROACHING A DEADLINE. >> YES, SO IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN OVERVIEW ON THAT. >> CERTAINLY. >> YES, MA'AM. >> I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT THE PARK BOARD HAS SUCCESSFULLY, SINCE AT LEAST 2015, APPLIED FOR CEPRA GRANTS EVERY TIME THEY COME UP. THEY COME UP EVERY TWO YEARS. WE RECEIVED GRANTS WITH CYCLES 9, 10, 11 AND 12, AND NOW WE'RE PURSUING A GRANT FOR CYCLE 13. THAT GRANT WOULD ADDRESS THE ENGINEERING THAT'S TAKING PLACE BETWEEN CEPRA'S 11 AND 12 BETWEEN EIGHT MILE ROAD AND 13 MILE ROAD ON THE WEST END OF THE ISLAND. THE ENGINEERING IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY THAT THOSE GRANTS WERE AWARDED, THE ENGINEERING FOR THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY THE FALL, WINTER OF 2023. THEN THE NEXT MOVEMENT WOULD BE FOR SAND PLACEMENTS, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S WHAT CEPRA 13 WOULD PROVIDE, IS THE PLACEMENT OF THE SAND ALONG THAT STRETCH OF BEACH. >> IS IT FROM SEVEN MILE ROAD TO 13? BECAUSE THE INITIAL GRANT RUNS FROM 7 TO 8 MILE AND THEN WE EXPANDED IT TO 13. >> YES, MA'AM, THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO IT'S SEVEN MILE. >> IT WOULD BE THE TERMINUS OF DELAWARE RV PARK TO 13 MILE ROAD, WHICH IS WHERE THE STATE PARK IT'S LOCATED. THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. BECAUSE THIS SECTION OF BEACH IS IDENTIFIED IN THE TEXAS COASTAL RESILIENCY MASTER PLAN, THE GLO HAS INDICATED THAT THIS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR 100 PERCENT FUNDING THROUGH GOMESA FUNDS, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS. THAT MEANS THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A LOCAL MATCH REQUIRED. THEN SPEAKING WITH THE GLO ABOUT THE CEPRA 13 GRANT AND HOW MUCH MONEY WE SHOULD PURSUE, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PURSUE $30 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO THE GRANT. WE HAVE COMPLETED THE GRANT APPLICATION, WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR A FEW MORE LETTERS OF SUPPORT TO TRICKLE IN, WE'VE GOTTEN MANY OF THEM SO FAR, JUST WAITING TO SEE IF WE CAN COLLECT A FINAL FEW AND THEN WE'LL SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION ON OR BEFORE THE DEADLINE OF NEXT THURSDAY, WHICH IS JUNE 1ST. >> DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FURTHER FROM COUNCIL? >> NO, SIR. >> OKAY. >> AS WE KNOW IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE SENT A LETTER THAT CAME OVER TO PARK BOARD, THAT WAS AS WE TALKED ABOUT MORE FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PARK BOARD PROVIDING THIS CEPRA GRANT. WE'RE CATCHING UP WITH THINGS ON THAT SO VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR KIMBERLY? I KNOW THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. MIKE OR JOHN? >> DAVE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, JUST A PROCESS QUESTION. IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU APPLY FOR CEPRA GRANTS IS A LETTER REQUIRED FROM CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO VALIDATE OR ENCOURAGE THAT TYPE OF APPLICATION? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S REQUIRED. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S SOMETHING TRADITIONALLY THAT WE HAVE INCLUDED WITH A GRANT APPLICATION. WHETHER OR NOT THE GLO WOULD REQUIRE THAT, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING TRADITIONALLY THAT WE'VE DONE. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE LETTER DIDN'T MENTION THE CITY OF GALVESTON, BUT I THINK IT JUST SAID PARK BOARD. ARE WE ADDING INTO THAT LETTER NOW CITY OF GALVESTON PARK BOARD AND I FORGET WHAT THE THIRD WAS. >> I'M SORRY. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S IN OUR LETTER. OUR LETTER OF SUPPORT INCLUDED CITY OF GALVESTON. >> IS IT IN ALL THE LETTERS? >> NO. IT'S IN OUR [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'LL SEE WHETHER IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. >> I WOULD ASSUME IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. >> THE CITY OF GALVESTON SHOULD BE NAMED IN THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY'RE CITY OF GALVESTON BEACHES. >> SO IT IS NAMED IN THE APPLICATION. >> IT SHOULD. CITY OF GALVESTON SHOULD BE MENTIONED IN THE APPLICATION. I'LL GO BACK AND VERIFY BEFORE WE SUBMIT. >> BECAUSE THE SUPPORT LETTER THAT CAME TO THE CITY, IT DID NOT MENTION CITY OF GALVESTON, PARK BOARD AND I GUESS GLO. I DON'T REMEMBER THE THIRD. WHO WERE THE LETTERS YOU'RE WAITING FOR? >> OH, I WOULDN'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE'VE GOTTEN SOME BACK LOCALLY, WE'RE WAITING ON SOME FROM SOME SENATORS AS WELL. I DON'T HAVE THE TRICKLE-DOWN LIST. IT MAY JUST BE A HANDFUL. WE HAVE ENOUGH NOW THAT IF WE NEEDED TO PULL THE TRIGGER AND SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TODAY, WE WOULD BE FINE. WE JUST WANT TO GIVE DUE DILIGENCE, AND A LONG TIME FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WANT TO SUPPORT TO COME IN BUT I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF INDIVIDUALS. [02:55:02] >> VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? KIMBERLY, YOU WERE VERY PATIENT TODAY. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PARK BOARD YOU'VE BEEN HANDLING THESE CEPRA GRANTS IN THE PAST. YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THOSE, THANKING FOR THAT, I APPRECIATE. >> I'LL LET SHERYL ROCHER KNOW THAT YOU THANK HER AS WELL. [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU, KIMBERLY. >> CAN I REQUEST IF APPROPRIATE, THAT WHEN WE COME TO ITEM 3F, IF KIMBERLY IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE STEWART BEACH PARK AND BEACH PATROL INTERIM AND PERMANENT HEADQUARTERS. IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE. >> BY ALL MEAN, DAN, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY LOOK AT YOU ON THAT. DO YOU HAVE SOME [OVERLAPPING] >> BRIAN'S HERE. >> OH, BRIAN IS HERE? >> HE IS HERE. HE WAS GOING TO COME AFTER 3F. HE WAS GOING TO LEAVE ME HERE FOR WILDFLOWER. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> KIMBERLY, DOES YOUR SCHEDULE PERMIT STAYING FOR THAT? >> IT DOES. I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT I PREPARED TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY, SO I'LL DO MY BEST. >> BY ALL MEANS. >> BUT CERTAINLY, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M UNABLE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS TO YOU TODAY, I CAN TAKE THIS BACK AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING] >> VERY GOOD. [3.E. Discussion To Allow Council To Give Staff Guidance Related To Amendments Of The City’s Wildflower Ordinance (Brown - 20 Min)] LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3E IF WE COULD PLEASE, JANELLE. >> ITEM 3E, DISCUSSION TO ALLOW COUNCIL TO GIVE STAFF GUIDANCE RELATED TO AMENDMENTS OF THE CITY'S WILDFLOWER ORDINANCE. >> COUNCIL, I PUT THIS ON HERE AND AS YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN IN THE PAPER A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT THE WILDFLOWER ORDINANCE AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. WE ARE A BIRD CITY, WE ARE A TRUE CITY, WE ARE NOW BUYING AND WORKING WITH THE GALVESTON ISLAND NATURE TOURISM COUNCIL TO BE A MONARCH BUTTERFLY SUPPORT CITY AND NOW WE ARE INTO WILDFLOWERS TO CONTINUE OUR MARCH FORWARD WITH BEING AS ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD SAY THAT AND BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I WAS HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO I CONVENED A MEETING OF INDIVIDUALS THAT REPRESENTED THE MASTER GARDENERS GALVESTON ISLAND NATURE TOURISM COUNCIL, THE BIRD ORGANIZATIONS AND SO FORTH, TO TALK ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANY CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE TO THAT. WE HAVE AN EXISTING ORDINANCE. TIM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I WAS GOING TO HAVE YOU JUST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THAT EXISTING ORDINANCE FOR COUNCIL. THEN I HAVE A SUGGESTION TO START THE DISCUSSION AND MAYBE WRAP IT UP QUICKLY, I HAVE A SUGGESTION ON POSSIBLY A CHANGE, BUT GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR. >> OKAY. IT'S A VERY SMALL SET OF REQUIREMENTS, IT'S ONLY ONE PAGE AND BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS, IS ALL PROPERTY OWNERS OR THEIR DESIGNEES SHALL APPLY FOR WILDFLOWER EXEMPTION PERMIT EACH YEAR. THAT WILDFLOWER EXEMPTION IS REQUESTED AND THEY SUBMIT IT BY JANUARY 31ST OF THE YEAR. IT SHALL INCLUDE A WILDFLOWER MANAGEMENT PLAN BASICALLY, WHICH SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE A 36 INCH SWATH OR BUFFER AROUND IT, AND THAT IT OTHERWISE COMPLIES WITH THE CURRENT HEIGHT OF THE CITY CODE PERTAINING TO WEEDS. YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAINTAIN THE PERIMETER AROUND IT, IT'S FOR UTILITY SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THEIR RESPECTIVE METERS AND OUTSIDE HOOKUPS. THAT'S THE PURPOSE, I GUESS, OF IT FOR THAT 36 INCH SWATH. YOU MAINTAIN THE REMAINDER OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE HOUSE AS IT'S CALLED HERE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR MOWING OF GRASS ORDINANCE. THEN YOU MAINTAIN OBVIOUSLY FREE OF TRASH AND DEBRI AND YOU MOLD THE LAYER ANNUALLY. IT ONLY SAYS ANNUALLY. THAT'S THE CIRCUMSTANCE, AND I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER ORDINANCES OUT THERE THAT FOLKS HAVE HAVE CONSIDERED AND OTHER CITIES DO PROVIDE EXEMPTIONS FOR NARROW SPECIFIC TIME FRAMES IN WHICH THE WILDFLOWERS ARE BLOOMING BUT OURS DOESN'T DO THAT. IT ALLOWS THE EXEMPTION ALL YEAR. >> THE REGISTRATION YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IN OUR NICHE CURRENTLY, YOU CAN ONLY REGISTER FOR THIS PERMIT IN ONE MONTH, ISN'T IT? >> YES. CORRECT. BUT YOU REGISTERS IN THE YEAR YOU'RE REQUESTING AND YOU DO IT BY JANUARY 31ST. >> OKAY. >> I THINK THE INTENT BEHIND THAT IS THAT, [03:00:02] SO YOU DON'T GET SOMEBODY THAT, SIMPLY FAILS TO MOW AND THEN, THEY'RE CALLED ON BY OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FOLKS WHO RIGHTLY OR ENFORCING THIS. THEN THEY COME UP TO OUR DEPARTMENT IN MAY OR JUNE OR SOMETHING WHENEVER THEY'RE HERE AND SAY, I WANT A WILDFLOWER ORDINANCE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND I THINK THAT WAS BY DESIGN. >> YES, SIR. VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT COUNCIL? YES MAUREEN. >> I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WILDFLOWERS. BUT IF YOU HAVE THAT WILDFLOWER EXCEPTION AND LABOR REQUIRED TO BAIL ONCE A YEAR? >> YES MA'AM. [OVERLAPPING] >> YES. I FOUND SOMETHING IN HERE, WOULDN'T WANT TO DISAGREE WITH THE EDITOR OF THE NEWSPAPER. BUT THE MARSHALS OFFICE RESPONSE MOSTLY TO COMPLAINANTS. >> CORRECT. >> I DON'T DRIVE AROUND LOOKING FOR TALL GRASS [INAUDIBLE]. >> OR WILDFLOWERS. >> OR WILDFLOWERS [INAUDIBLE] I WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. THESE ARE RESPONSE TO COMPLAINTS. THIS IS NOT SINGLING OUT INDIVIDUALS AS THEY DRIVE AROUND. >> THAT IS CORRECT AND THE MARSHALS, IF THERE'S A CONCERN WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THE MARSHAL, THAT'S UP TO US TO ADDRESS THAT. THE MARSHALS ENFORCE WHAT WE HAVE HERE. YOU SEND TO MARSHAL OUT ON TO RESPOND TO A COMPLAINT. THEY'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT THAT IS. I'M GOING TO THROW OUT AN IDEA TO COUNSEL. SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AND I'M ANXIOUS TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THAT, SIMPLIFIES IT QUIET A BIT. THIS WAS AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF CHRISTIAN BALE, AND CHRISTIAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS. I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. THIS THE CITY OF BRYAN, TEXAS. THIS IS A PARAPHRASE OF THIS. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IF COUNSEL WANT IT TO MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION TO JUST DOES AWAY WITH THE NEED FOR A PERMIT AND REGISTRATION AND ALL THAT. BASICALLY SAYS THAT OBJECTIONABLE OR UNSIGHTLY VEGETATION INCLUDES ALL WEEDS AND GRASSES THAT EXCEED NINE INCHES IN HEIGHT. THE EXEMPTION WOULD BE THE CULTIVATION OF CONCENTRATED WILDFLOWERS FROM MARCH 1ST TO JUNE 15TH OF EACH YEAR. DON'T HAVE TO TRACK THESE PERMITS, GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND ALL OF THAT. NOW, I'M ANXIOUS TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS, TIM, AND THAT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD OPEN UP OTHER PROBLEMS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS. >> WELL, RIGHT NOW ARE I BELIEVE OUR GRASS HEIGHT IS MANAGED AT EIGHT INCHES PER CODE. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS NINE INCHES. THAT'S WHY I PUT THAT IN HERE. >> NINE. OKAY. I WAS GIVEN SOME BAD INFORMATION. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE PERMITTING ASPECTS, WE ONLY HAVE AROUND A DOZEN A YEAR THAT APPLY FOR THIS IS NOT VERY MANY [NOISE] WE HAVE AN EMAIL REMINDER LIST THAT FOLKS ARE CONTACTED IF THEY HAD A PERMIT PREVIOUS YEAR AND THEY'RE REMINDED TO GET THAT IN. I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS, I THINK IT COULD RUN AWAY ON YOU A LITTLE BIT. I DEFINITELY LIKED THE EXEMPTION REQUIREMENT. I THINK THAT'S VERY MUCH APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE WILDFLOWERS ARE BLOOMING. OTHERWISE, THEY'RE JUST TALL FLOWERS WITHOUT BLOOMS. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, I UNDERSTAND IT NOW AS YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND ANY OF THESE DISTRICTS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S WILDFLOWERS IN MANY OF THESE YARDS AND THEY ARE IN VIOLATION OF OUR ORDINANCE AS IT IS. THIS HERE IT ALLOWS THESE WILDFLOWERS TO HAVE THIS THREE-AND-A-HALF MONTHS TIME. >> YOU'RE GIVING THE ENTIRE CITY A PASS NOT TO CUT THEIR GRASS FROM MARCH 1ST UNTIL 15 [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S NOT TRUE, DON. >> THEN WHEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER COMES, A HOMEOWNER SAYS TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WOW, I PLANTED THEM, MAYBE THEY JUST HAVEN'T COME UP YET. >> DON, THAT'S NOT TRUE [03:05:01] BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE HIGH GRASS OVER NINE INCHES YOU'RE GOING TO BE CITED FOR THIS. THIS IS ONLY FOR WILDFLOWERS IF YOU HAVE A CONCENTRATED AREA OF WILDFLOWERS BECAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO ASK, WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S CUT? HOW DO WE DO THAT NOW? WITH OUR PERMIT, YOU HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS GOING ON. YES MAUREEN. >> WELL, THERE ARE ALSO SUBDIVISIONS THAT ALREADY HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. FOR WILDFLOWER OR NATURAL YARDS THAT WOULDN'T AFFECT THAT. >> THAT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY THOUGH. >> NO. BUT I'M JUST SAYING I KNOW OF AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR THAT DO ALREADY HAVE THEM IN PLACE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'D WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE PERMIT. >> WELL, IF THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM IN PLACE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY ARE, THEY WOULD POSSIBLY CONFLICT WITH THE PERMIT PROCESS WE HAVE NOW. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME WE'RE SETTING UP THIS WHOLE BUREAUCRACY TO HANDLE THESE WILDFLOWERS. THEY'VE GOT TO COME IN AT A SPECIFIC TIME AND THEY NEED TO REGISTER AND THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT THESE FORMS. THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRACK IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND THEY HAVE TO SEE IF THEY HAVE A WILDFLOWER PERMIT. PERMIT HAS TO BE POSTED SOMEWHERE IN THE YARD. ANYWAY, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT YOU KNOW, HOW I FEEL ON THAT, BUT THE 36 INCHES I THINK THAT WE COULD CONSIDER CONTINUING THAT. >> THE ONE INCHES. >> EXCUSE ME. >> NINE INCH [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT NOT A 36 ANYTIME. [LAUGHTER] >> WE COULD CONSIDER THE 36 INCHES, DAVID. >> IS THERE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH PERMANENT? >> ZERO. >> I LIKE THAT. NEXT QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO BECOMING A BUTTERFLY CITY. >> YES, SIR. >> I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO TRACK THESE AREAS THAT HAVE WILDFLOWER EXEMPTIONS COULD ADD CREDENCE OR IMPORTANCE TO THE ABILITY TO BECOME A BUTTERFLY CITY. I LIKE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO TRACK IT ALSO GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF MEDIA THAT WE'VE HAD ON THIS SUBJECT, I BET YOU HAVE A LOT MORE APPLICATIONS NEXT YEAR. [LAUGHTER] >> I AGREE WITH THAT. >> THE ONLY OTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR US TO CONSIDER, AND I KNOW THAT THE WILD FOR OUR ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED BACK IN JANUARY 2023, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I JUST SAW IT, 126 23-005. >> IT WAS JUST SHIFTED. >> IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR MANY YEARS. >> YES. >> BECAUSE WE DID THAT CHAPTER. >> AS WE LOOK TO POTENTIALLY AMEND THIS SECTION 18.7, I WOULD LIKE FOR CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO NATIVE GRASSES AS WELL. BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THE WILDFLOWER, NATIVE GRASSES ARE IMPORTANT PART OF A SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPE. BUT THAT'S MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK A LOT OF THESE IN OTHER CITIES, WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING, THE GROUPS BROUGHT ORDINANCES FROM OTHER CITIES ON HOW THAT'S DONE IN ANY OF THEM HIGHLIGHTED NATURAL HABITAT, AS WELL AS WILDFLOWERS, DAVID. >> CAN WE ALSO CONSIDER, AS OPPOSED TO GOING STRAIGHT TO A CITATION THAT SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW OR DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR THIS YEAR, BE ALLOWED TO GO GET A PERMIT RATHER THAN BEING CITED FIRST-TIME AROUND. >> I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD NARROW THE PERMIT FOR ONE MONTH. I THINK. >> OR GO GET A VARMINT ANYTIME. >> ALL YOU'RE WANTING TO DO IS TRACK IT, SO IT SHOULD JUST BE AN APPLICATION THAT THE PERSON GOES AHEAD AND PUTS ONLINE AND THE CITY CAN SEE THAT-. >> WE'D HAVE TO LIMIT IT TO A YEAR. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S AN ANNUAL THINGS, SO MAYBE JANUARY 1ST TO LAUNCH FIRST. >> WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE GROUPS, EXCUSE ME, MY FRIEND WRAPPING. BUT WHEN WE DISCUSS IT WITH THE GROUP, SOME OF THE CITIES AND THE GROUP, IF I UNDERSTOOD THEM PROPERLY, IF WE WANTED TO PUT A REGISTRATION TIME THAT THEY WEREN'T AGAINST NECESSARILY HAVING, I THINK IT WAS JANUARY TO MARCH 15TH. >> THAT MAKES SENSE. >> BETTER THAN A MONTH. I LIKED THAT. >> JOHN IS GOT THIS LOOK ON HIS FACE AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, JOHN. >> I KNOW. I'M GOOD. [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK THAT I HAVE ONE COMMENT ABOUT NATIVE GRASSES IS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THE DEFINITION TO THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET TO THE WEST END AND YOU TALK ABOUT BECAUSE SEA GRASS IS 18 INCHES HIGH AND IF WE'RE SAYING THAT NINE AND YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO KNOW SEA GRASS THAT HAPPENS TO BE ON IN JUNE. I THINK WHEN WE START ADDING [03:10:01] ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD OPEN UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS. >> I WOULD AGREE. IT SOUNDS LIKE COUNCIL WANTS TO STUDY WITH THE REGISTRATION. >> YES. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WANT TO EXTEND THAT TO FROM JANUARY 1ST TO MARCH 15TH. PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN INCLUDE NATURAL HABITAT INTO THAT WILDFLOWER ALSO. >> BUT IT NEEDS TO BECOME FLANKED TO EACH OTHER. >> EXCUSE ME. >> THESE TWO WOULD COME FLANKED TO EACH OTHER. WHEN YOU START TALKING NATURAL HABITAT, YOU'RE TALKING HIGHER. >> WHAT HABITAT DO YOU WANT TO ATTRACT? >> THERE IS DEFINITIONS OF NATURAL HABITATS AND SO FORTH THAT THE AUDUBON SOCIETY, I THINK AND OTHERS THEY HAVE, SO THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE UTILIZED. >> YOU'RE TALKING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE STRICT DEFINITION IS THERE AND MORE. >> WELL, AND IT GETS BACK TO THE WILD FLOWERS TOO. THE GROUP JUST HAS A HIGHLIGHTED, I THINK IT WAS NINE OR EIGHT DIFFERENT WILDFLOWERS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS AREA. IF WE WANTED TO GET THAT SPECIFIC, PERSONALLY, I WOULD SAY THIS, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY IN VIOLATION OF OUR OWN POLICY. THOSE WILD FLOWERS IN THE CEMETERY ARE 12-16 INCHES TALL. I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW. >> IF I HAD ONE OF THOSE MODELS AND WRATH OF THE CITIZENS ABOUT WHAT I KNEW. [LAUGHTER] >> IF WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE TO DO ABOUT THIS. BUT THE ONLY TWO WORDS I WOULD THROW OUT THEIR PALM TREES. ANYBODY REMEMBER WHEN WE TRIED TO ADD PALMS? >> THEY ARE LITERALLY A GRASS. >> JOHN CAMPBELL WILL ARGUE THAT POINT WITH YOU. BUT BESIDES THAT, WE SPENT HOW MANY MONTHS IN THIS ROOM DECIDING NOT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS JUST TOO COMPLEX AND ISSUE TO REALLY QUANTIFY. >> CAN WE JUST DO THE WILDFLOWERS FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND THEN MAKE AN ADDENDUM TO MAYBE ADD SOME GRASSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LET'S START WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE. >> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THIS AND GET IT WHERE THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO PASS THIS AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE USER FRIENDLY ON THERE. >> WE STICK WITH THE FLOWERS. >> JUST FOR CLARITY OF THE STAFF, YOU WANT TO EXTEND IT FROM JANUARY 1 MARCH 15TH THE APPLICATION DATE TO RECEIVE A PERMIT TO DO WILDFLOWERS AND LEAVE THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE IN PLACE. >> THAT IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S DIRECTION. >> IS FROM ONE PERSPECTIVE AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. >> HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN THAT 36 INCHES WIDE? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES THAT DON'T DO THAT, SO IS THAT WORDS THAT A VIOLATIONS. >> THEY'RE IN VIOLATION IF WE KEEP THAT IN THERE. NOW, WHEN WE TALKED WITH THE GROUP THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THAT TO MAYBE 24 INCHES OR 12 INCHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> WHAT'S THE POINT OF THAT ANYWAY? I FORGET. >> PUBLIC SAFETY WE MIGHT IMAGINE. >> I THINK ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS WRITTEN FOR LARGER TRACTS OF LAND TOO. IT WAS LIKE, IF YOU HAD A PIECE OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY OUT THERE, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE IT AND YOU CAN HAVE BROAD FLOWERS GROWN ON IT AND YOU JUST MOWED THE EDGES. I THINK IT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT. WHEN THESE ORDINANCE WAS FIRST PROPOSED, I DON T THINK IF WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW YOU MAINTAIN THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE HOUSES ALL OVER THAT HAVE WILDFLOWERS OUT WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT THEY DON'T KNOW. I GUESS THAT'S NOT ALLOWED WITHIN THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE RIGHT WAY. IT'S RIGHT? KEEP IT RIGHT AWAY? >> YES, CORRECT. >> I MEAN, WE COULD CHANGE THAT. >> WE HAVE TO BROOM TO HAVE A HALF A WALKWAY. >> THEY GOT THAT IN THERE, THE WALKWAY. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. >> IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> THE RIGHT PEOPLE ACCESS IF THEY'RE WALKING BY THAT THEY'RE NOT WALKING BY. IT MAY POSSESS PHARMAS SNAKES, WHATEVER. >> YOU HAVE A COMMENT. >> JUST TO CLARIFY FOR STAFF DIRECTION AND TO POINT OUT THAT MOWING ONCE A YEAR DOESN'T APPLY TO THE BUFFER. IT'S THE WHOLE THING. >> THE WHOLE THING, YEAH. >> THE BUFFER IS JUST SUPPOSED TO BE THERE TO BE WITHIN THE PERMIT. I BELIEVE THE BUFFER AROUND THE BUILDINGS IS IF YOU HAVE TALL GRASS AND FLOWERS UP TO THE BUILDING, THERE COULD BE MICE OR WHATEVER TRYING TO CHEW ITS WAY IN AND THEY CAN STAY THERE, THEY'RE COVERED UP. >> WE CHECKED ON THE 36 INCHES. THERE WAS NO RHYME OR REASON FOR THERE. WE JUST DECIDED 36 WAS A GOOD NUMBER. I UNDERSTAND FROM THE CITY. >> ALSO DO WE WANT TO SAY IN THERE AT THAT JUNE 15TH, [03:15:03] IT NEEDS TO BE MOWED AT THE END OF THAT THREE-MONTH PERIOD. >> THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCES NOW. >> THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT. >> IT'S JUST ONCE A YEAR. >> JUST ONCE IN A YEAR. >> I THINK ONCE YOU COME OUT OF THIS, YOU SHOULD JUST MOW YOUR YARD. >> WELL, ONCE YOU COME OUT OF THIS, THEN YOU HAVE THE NINE INCHES RULE THAT GOVERNS YOUR YARD. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE WORDING ALSO IN THE CURRENT OR ANY HANDSETS THAT YOU'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO MELT ONCE A YEAR. THAT'S WHAT IT CURRENTLY SAYS. >> YOU COULD THROW THAT SUCH TIME IS WILD FLOWERS RECEIVES BLOOMING THAT YOU START INTO THE MOWING PROCESS AT THAT POINT. VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. >> I KNOW. >> JUNE 15TH. >> ARE WE ADDING THESE DATES? >> YES. >> SAY THAT AGAIN, DAN? >> WELL, I THOUGHT THE ONLY CHANGE WAS GOING TO BE THE APPLICATION PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO WAIT A YEAR AND IT GO, BUT IT SOUNDS NOW WE'RE ADDING THE CULTIVATION OF CONCENTRATED WILDFLOWER. >> NO. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST SAID IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHEN THEY HAVE TO KNOW A DATE. JUST THAT THEY HAVE TO KNOW ANYONE. >> WHAT IF WE SAY JUNE 30TH FOR A BEDSIDE A MONTH. >> EVEN JUNE 30TH, YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH NORMAL BUSINESS. >> IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MOW A YARD TO A NINE INCH HEIGHT. THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME OF THESE THINGS. >> BUT ALSO I WOULD ADD TO TRY TO PROVE IN COURT WHETHER OR NOT THE WILDFLOWERS ARE SUFFICIENTLY CONCENTRATED. [OVERLAPPING] >> I WOULD SAY THIS TOO. I'M DIRECTING THIS WITH STAFF DAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EDUCATION PIECES COME OUT FROM THE CITY ON CHANNEL 16. WE MAY ALREADY BE DOING THAT. >> I'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. >> BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROMOTE THIS, THIS REALLY ADDS TO THE BEAUTY OF ART. I HAD A DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY WAS SOMEBODY SAID OUR CEMETERIES IS NOT A TOURIST ATTRACTION WITH THESE FLOWERS, THAT'S WRONG. >> PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE THAT REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT REPRESENTS SIDEWALK. >> DID YOU HEAR WHAT HIS STATEMENT BY SAYING CULTIVATED, CONCENTRATED WILDFLOWERS WOULDN'T BE A VERY VAGUE TERM. >> I WASN'T SUGGESTING WE ADDED THAT LANGUAGE AT ALL. I WAS JUST SAYING MAYBE A SPECIFIC END DAY. AN END DATE BY MATCH YOUR PERMIT IS DONE FOR THE YEAR. >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE-. >> CONCENTRATED MAYBE, YOU DON'T CULTIVATE WILDFLOWERS. >> WELL, YOU DO. >> THEN ARE HARDLY WILD A BIT MORE. >> HOW DO YOU THINK THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD READ? >> WE BRING BACK ORDINANCE, WORKSHOP. >> WE DIGRESSED INTO TO DETERMINING IF SOMETHING'S WILD OR NOT. I THINK WE'VE TALKED THIS DISCUSSION, BUT. >> WELL, HE'S GOING TO BRING US BACK ORDINANCE TO WORKSHOP. >> HE WILL BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE TO US. COUNCIL, DO YOU WANT A WORKSHOP THIS AGAIN BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT OR DO YOU WANT TO VOTE THE SAME DAY. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE COULD WORKSHOP IT. >> WORKSHOP AGAIN, JUST TO GO OVER THE FINAL DETAILS AND THAT SHOULD BE YET. [OVERLAPPING] >> IF YOU'LL BRING THIS BACK TO US WITH THE CHANGES WILL WORKSHOP PISSING IN. WE'LL GET OUR NEXT MEETINGS WORKSHOP. [OVERLAPPING] >> VERY GOOD. [NOISE] >> EVERYBODY. >> KRISTEN JULIANNE [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] >> YOU LOOK RESTED. >> YOU LOOK RESTED. >> I HAVEN'T SLEPT IN 40 HOURS. [LAUGHTER] >> HOW DID YOU FLY HIM VIA? >> BOARDED AN AIRPLANE. [LAUGHTER] [3.F. Update And Discussion Of The City Manager’s Plans Concerning Stewart Beach Park And Beach Patrol’s Interim And Permanent Headquarters (B. Maxwell - 15 Min)] [BACKGROUND] >> [INAUDIBLE] READ ITEM 3F, PLEASE. >> 3F UPDATE AND DISCUSSION AT THE CITY MANAGER'S PLANTS CONCERNING STEWARD BEACH PARK IN THESE PATROLS, MRO, AND PERMANENT EMPLOYERS. >> MR. MAXWELL, REAL QUICKLY. I SEE YOU SUDDENLY SEE HERE WE'RE MOVING VERY RAPIDLY ON THIS. WE'VE MET WITH PETER. WE'VE ALREADY GOT PLAN TO DEMOLISH DUDLEY IS WORKING ON THAT NOW, AND SO WE CAN BE READY TO GO OUT FOR BIDS AND HAVING DEEP AND DEMOLISHED AT THE END OF THE SEASON, DUDLEY HAS BEEN MEETING WITH PETER. WE HAVE TEMPORARY HOUSING SOLUTIONS FOR [03:20:03] BEACH PATROL THAT'LL CARRY US THROUGH ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO ON THE BEACH, AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL STORAGE AND STEPPED DUDLEY'S WORKING ON. DUDLEY HAS ALSO RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM ROGERS PARTNERS ON THE PREVIOUS WORK DONE ON THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS AND SOME OF THE INITIAL PROGRAMMING. HE'S GOING THROUGH THAT PROGRAMMING WITH PETER NOW TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED FOR A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR BEACH PATROL. IT'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH PETER ON THIS. I THINK PETER FEELS GREATLY RELIEVED THAT WE'VE MOVED IT SO FAR SO FAST. WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE LEAD TIME ISSUE DEADLY WITH TEMPORARY STAFF. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> BECAUSE THEY'RE PORTABLE TREAD OR TYPE THINGS. VERY NICE, BUT WERE WORKING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN ON THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A BUYER, BOARD VENDOR THAT CAN DO IT FASTER IF WE CAN. VERY ENTHUSED ON THAT AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL PARK ITSELF, WHERE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS PETER RIGHT NOW AND GETTING ALL THAT SQUARED AWAY. THEN WE'RE IMMEDIATELY GOING TO TRANSITION INTO START WORKING ON THE DESIGN OF THE PARK IN THE FUTURE. USES ON THAT, I SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU ON THAT HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ON THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU, BRIAN. COUNSEL WILL HAVE THIS AN UPDATE ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS FROM BRIAN THAT WE PASSED IN OUR RESOLUTION HERE A COUPLE OF VIDEOS AGO WILL BE ON PEACH COUNSELS AGENDA TO GET AN UPDATE FROM OUR CITY MANAGER ON THIS. THE STILL BEACH, PROPOSALS, AND THINGS. BRIAN, AT ONE POINT I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT 24 TO COME BACK WITH SOME DEFINITE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT GOTTEN FOR JANUARY 24TH, BUT ARE YOU STILL STAYING WITH THAT? >> WERE TRYING TO. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. QUESTIONS FOR MR. MAXWELL. >> QUICK QUESTION ON WHEN YOU MADE REFERENCE TO STEWART BEACH MASTER PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I KNOW THAT YOU CAN HOLD THE DEVELOPMENT RFQ WITH THAT PROCESS, THAT CAME FROM THE PARK BOARD, AND CAME BACK OVER TO THE CITY. WHERE DOES THE WHATEVER FUTURE PAVILION OR WHEREVER YOU'RE COMING UP WITH FIT WITHIN THAT PLAN? I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO ASK IT, BUT [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WE'RE MAINLY FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW AND WE THINK THAT THIS HAS GOTTEN MUDDIED UP IN THE PAST IS WE WERE TRYING TO LUMP EVERYTHING TOGETHER. BEACH PATROL HAS VERY SPECIFIC NEEDS, ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR JUNIOR GUARD PROGRAM AND SOME SPECIFIC NEEDS ON THE BEACH. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT ADDRESSED. THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN A WAY WHERE IF THERE'S AN ULTIMATE NEW PAVILION ARE DIFFERENT DESIGN PROJECT THAT WE'VE GOT IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT, AND THAT IT CAN EITHER BE AN EXTENSION TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT OUT THERE OR IT COULD BE A SEPARATE FACILITY SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM. TALKING TO PETER, THE MORE I HEAR ABOUT IT, THE MORE I REALLY BELIEVE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN HIS CONCERNS WITH THE KIDS, THAT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE THAT WE NEED TO BE INCLUDING A LOT OF THIS BEACH PATROL STUFF IN WITH REGULAR TOURISTY TYPE OPERATIONS. [OVERLAPPING] >> I SEE. >> WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SPACE OUT THERE TO ACCOMMODATE IT, AND ULTIMATELY, THERE MAY BE SOME SHIFTING AROUND OF IT ESPECIALLY IF WE BUILD A PARKING STRUCTURE OUT THERE WHICH YOU ALL KNOW I'M A BIG FAN OF YOURS TO GET THE PARKING OFF THAT'S FREE UP AS MUCH SAND AS WE CAN FOR PEOPLE TO USE FOR THE BEACH. LET'S GET OUR CARS SITUATED IN A MORE STUDY STRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE MAY HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR SOME OTHER THINGS, EVEN AS FAR AS MAYBE A BEACH PATROL RETAIL TYPE OUTLET. AS I'VE LEARNED AFTER TWO WEEKS IN EUROPE, THERE'S A MUCH TO BE SOLD ON EVERYTHING. MAYBE SOME LIFE SAFETY STUFF, SELLING THE PROPER FLOATS, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. >> THE PROGRAM FOR BEACH PATROL AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE CURRENT BURGER KING JUNIOR GUARD, THAT THEN BECOMES A PROGRAM THAT'S WRAPPED INTO THE ULTIMATE WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO SCREW UP AND SIT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND SAY, MY WISH WE'D PUT THE PAVILION THERE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO HAVE ALL THAT MAPPED OUT. >> I'M SORRY, MAYOR, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. >> WHERE DOES THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT RFP LIE OUTSIDE OF THE ACTION THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW? >> RIGHT NOW WE ANALYZED NOWHERE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE PROGRAMMING FOR PETER DONE. >> GOT IT. >> BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TRY TO DESIGN SOMETHING FOR PETER BECAUSE JUNIOR GUARD LAST A SHORT TIME AND WE MAY WANT TO TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT HAS OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO IT. I DON'T WANT TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT SO SOLELY FOCUSED ON THAT YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR OTHER THINGS. BUT WE ALSO DON'T NEED A $27 MILLION FACILITY TO ACCOMMODATE JUNIOR GUARD. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE BUILT FOR BEACH PATROL, SUITS THEIR PRIMARY NEED FIRST. BUT IF THERE'S SECONDARY USES FOR IT THAT TIES INTO THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE IT'S GOING TO HAVE IT. >> UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. >> JOHN. [03:25:02] >> MR. I HEARD YOU RIGHT ON THAT. HOW DO YOU DEVELOP A PERMANENT HEADQUARTERS FOR BEACH PATROL WITHOUT HAVING THE MASTER PLAN? >> WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT A PERMANENT HEADQUARTERS FOR THEIR ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY A PERMANENT OPERATING FACILITY OUT THERE ON THE BEACH FOR THEM THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THEIR JUNIOR GUARDS, SOME STORAGE, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> WERE YOU EVEN THAT THOUGH? HOW DO YOU DO THAT WITHOUT MESCALINE? BECAUSE SOME OF THAT STORAGE MIGHT INCORPORATED IN THE PARKING GARAGE. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WRONG, AND THAT'S WHY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS GET HIS TEMPORARY NEEDS ACCOMMODATED, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHATEVER TEMPORARY NEEDS PETER UNDERSTANDS THIS MAY BE FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD THAT HE'S IN THESE TEMPORARY WHILE WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THE PARKING, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE INCORPORATED. >> I'M GLAD WE ARE ACCOMMODATING PETER, AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO THAT. I DON'T WANT TO RUSH A PERMANENT FACILITY WITHOUT HAVING A MASTER PLAN. >> 1,000 PERCENT. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE STEPPING IT UP A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE NOT JUST PUTTING PETER AND EMPTY CONTAINERS OUT THERE. WE'RE BUYING [OVERLAPPING] >> SOMETHING NICE AND GENTLE WORK FOR HIM, AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY BRING OFF THE BEACH AND ARE GETTING A LITTLE OFF-SUBJECT. WE'VE EVEN EXTENDED THESE DISCUSSIONS INTO HOW WE MADE DESIGN FUTURE LIFEGUARD TOWERS AND OTHER THINGS. WE HAVE THE ONES THAT WE BOUGHT. A PRETTY COOL LOOKING, BUT PETER SAYS THEY'RE A NIGHTMARE TO MOVE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BIG AND THEY'RE NOT. WE MAY ACTUALLY LOOK AT SOME LOCAL FABRICATORS TO COME UP WITH SOME REALLY COOL THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING UNIFORM, MAYBE IT IS THAT WE CAN START INCORPORATING SOME OF THE DESIGN MOVEMENTS OUT THERE TOO. >> ALONG WITH CONCERNS ABOUT JUNIOR AND MY GARDEN, WE ALL SHARE. THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAINLY MARINE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY USE WHEN SAVINGS, SO YOU'RE MAKING ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT. >> THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE AN INTERIM STEP ON THAT AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR THAT. >> BRIAN, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A CHANGE NOW. WE HAVE KIMBERLY DO NACL AS OUR INTERIM CEO SHE'S OVER THERE WITH THE ART BOARD NOW. WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT KIMBERLY'S KEPT IN THE LOOP ON ALL THIS AND THAT YOU CONFIRM AS YOU GOING THROUGH THIS, YOU, SIR, AND WORK CONFIRM WITH HER AS WE'RE GETTING THESE THOUGHTS CAN. >> THEY WILL BE KEPT UP TO SPEED WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO WORK WITH KIMBERLY ON THAT. COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? WE HAVE MISSED AN ACO, STAYED AROUND. WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO POST TO HER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU KIMBERLY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS, BRIAN VERY MUCH. ARE YOU STAYING ON NOW, BRIAN? >> I'M HERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> COFFEE KEEPS ME UP, I'M HERE. >> ITEM 3G, PLEASE. [3.G. Update And Discussion Of The Status Of City Plans Related To Homelessness (Brown/Maxwell/Robb - 15 Min)] >> ITEM 3G, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION AND THE STATUS OF CITY PLANS RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS. >> COUNCIL, WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS ON A COUPLE OF OUR MEETINGS NOW, WORKING WITH PLANS AND COMING UP WITH THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE WOULD PROVIDE SERVICES AND OR RESOURCES FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION HERE AND HOW WE WOULD STRUCTURE POSSIBLY ANY TYPE OF INTERFACE WITH THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BRIAN AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING THROUGHOUT THIS WITH INDIVIDUALS REPRESENTING THOSE DIFFERENT RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS PROGRAM. INVOLVED WITH PROGRAMS, I SHOULD SAY THAT PROVIDE RESOURCES FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION. WE BROUGHT BACK AT OUR LAST MEETING SOME THOUGHTS ON THIS, THE FIRST STEP AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS GROUP AND THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH NOW. YOU HAVE THEIR MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET MATERIAL AND AN OUTLINE OF WHAT THEIR PROJECTED IS, TIMELINE ON A SURVEY HERE FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION. WE FELT WORKING WITH THIS GROUP AND I'M GOING TO LET BRIAN EXPAND ON THIS. WE FELT THAT THE FIRST STEP IS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH AND WHAT PROBLEMS ARE OUT THERE ON WHETHER OR NOT. WE'RE PROVIDING A SURVEY. THIS WILL BE MANAGED THROUGH GALVESTON CO-CARTER. THEY HAVE PROVIDED QUESTIONS FOR THIS SURVEY. THEY HAVE 10 OF THESE QUESTIONS REALLY APPLY TO WHAT WE WANTED TO KNOW FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS. THEY'RE PROVIDING THE VOLUNTEERS. THEY'RE COORDINATING ALL OF THE OTHER NON-PROFITS TO PROVIDE THIS SURVEY. THEY ARE FUNDING THIS SO THERE WILL BE NO COST AT THIS POINT FROM THE CITY TO HELP FUND THIS PROGRAM. AT STEP ONE OF GETTING THIS INFORMATION. STEP TWO IS WE'RE ALREADY DISCUSSING LOOKING AT [03:30:02] TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS THAT FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON THE ISLAND THAT MAY WANT TO RETURN TO THEIR PLACE OF ORIGIN OR THEIR HOME OR WHERE THEY WERE ACTUALLY BROUGHT FROM TO BROUGHT TO THE ISLAND HERE, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE GULF COAST CENTER, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH A NUMBER OF OAK ORGANIZATIONS, GALVESTON CO-CARTER [OVERLAPPING] >> IN OUR COAST GROUP AS WELL, AND OUR COAST GROUP HERE ON THE ISLAND TO DEVELOP PROGRAMS ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT WE'RE FIRST GATHERING THAT DATA. >> WE HAVE SOME PRETTY FIRM SUPPOSITION SYSTEM. WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, BUT WE NEED TO CONFIRM THAT STATISTICALLY. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES THAT HAS THIS TYPE OF DATA. ONCE WE HAVE GOOD DATA, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EASY FOR US TO DEVELOP A PLAN OR TO EXECUTE THE PLAN IS HARD PART. BUT I THINK ONCE WE KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY IS COMING FROM, HOW THEY GOT HERE, DO THEY WANT TO BE HERE? WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? WHAT ARE THE PROBLEMS? ONCE WE KNOW THAT WE CONSTRUCT YOUR POLICIES AND PROGRAMS AND ORDINANCES TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT HAS BEEN SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. BUT WE REALLY DO UP TO THIS POINT, BELIEVED THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS THAT MAY BE UNWILLING GALVESTONIANS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT AS FAST AS WE CAN. >> YES, SIR. WHICH ARGUES THAT WE NEED TO BE INTERFACING WITH BOTH THE SHERIFF AND UTMB. >> OH, THERE'S NO DOUBT. >> WELL, THAT'S PART AND PARCEL OF THIS. >> YES. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM. WE'RE WAKING FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO HAND OVER AT UTMB. WE'LL BE MEETING WITH THEM. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM GPD AND THE COUNTY FAMILIAR WITH THE COUNTY JAIL SYSTEM ON THIS GROUP THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST STEP AND I THINK GAINING INFORMATION LIKE THIS, THE PIT COUNT, THAT POINT IN TIME COUNTS, THEY DON'T GATHER INFORMATION LIKE THIS. WE'LL BE DOING THIS [OVERLAPPING] >> FANS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK, HOW DID YOU GET HERE? WHY ARE YOU HERE? DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK? THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'RE HOMELESS. CHECK. >> YOU'RE ASKING ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHICH IS GOOD. >> WE'RE DRILLING DOWN ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY ONLY WAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL BAND-AID THAT SOLVES IT. WELL, WE DON'T WANT A BAND-AID, WE WANT A SOLUTION AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A ONE-SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTION TO THIS. ONCE WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THREE SETS OF PROBLEMS HERE, WE CAN START GO TO WORK ON STARTING TO SET, TO WORK ON THE FIRST PROBLEM, THE SECOND PROBLEM, THE THIRD PROBLEM, INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO BAND-AID THIS UP. ALSO, I'M THE GUY THAT KEEPS SAYING WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE HERE. THESE AREN'T ANIMALS. I SAY THAT PEOPLE IN MY HOUSE, THE ANIMALS GET TREATED BETTER THAN I DO. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE NOT HERDS OF CATTLE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO START JUST MOVING PEOPLE RANDOMLY. WE ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THE DECENCY AND RESPECT. I THINK ACTUALLY THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SHOWN THAT THEY END UP HERE ON THE ISLAND. THEY HAVE NO WAY TO GET BACK WHERE THEY WANT TO BE. >> THAT IS TRUE AND THIS IS A SERVICE EVEN THOUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALS MAY BE HERE UNWILLINGLY OR WHATEVER, THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE GALVESTONIANS FOR THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME ON ISLAND WE NEED TO SHOW HIM RESPECT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE GALVESTON GULF COAST CENTER, I SHOULD SAY, IS SO IMPORTANT TO THIS. BECAUSE IF WE RETURNED INDIVIDUALS AND SET UP A TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST TAKE THEM BACK TO A CITY AND DROP THEM OFF. WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE RESOURCES AND TAKE THEM TO AN AREA THAT PROVIDE RESOURCES AND SYSTEM AS THEY HOPEFULLY GET BETTER AND THEY AREN'T YET. THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE [OVERLAPPING] >> THE ONLY FACT WE NOTED THIS POINT IS IT'S VERY EASY TO GET TO THE ISLAND AND IT'S VERY HARD TO GET OFF. >> THAT'S BEEN FOR YOU. >> THEY'RE DOING THE SURVEY. WE'LL FINISH I'D LIKE TO THE TIMELINE. I THINK IT FINISHES IN JULY, THE SURVEY. >> WHICH GIVES US THE SUMMER, WHICH IS THE BIGGER BLOOM THAT WE GET. >> THEN WE'LL BE BRINGING INFORMATION BACK TO COUNCIL AT THAT POINT. THE PERMANENT ENDOWMENT FUND HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS ALSO AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY KEEN ON WANTING TO ASSIST IN SOME MANNER AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PLANS ON THIS. ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL, STAFF? I MEAN, ALL COUNCIL. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE FORWARD IF WE COULD. [3.H. Discussion Of The Island Transit ADA Paratransit Program (Lewis/Brown - 10 Min)] THIS IS ITEM 3H PLEASE. >> THREE H. DISCUSSION OF THE ISLAND TRANSIT ADA PARATRANSIT PROGRAM. >> SHARON, THIS WAS YOUR. [OVERLAPPING] >> JAMES. >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD SIR HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE OUGHT TO DO IS DESCRIBE WHAT THIS ADA PARA TRANSIT PROGRAM IS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, SIR. >> ADA PARA TRANSIT REQUIREMENT FROM FTA WHEN YOU OPERATE AT FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM IS FOR [03:35:05] THOSE INDIVIDUALS DUE TO DISABILITY OR DOWN ABLE TO ACCESS A FIXED ROUTE SYSTEM. NOT GENERALLY, THERE'S THREE STANDARDS THAT YOU GO BY IN THE ELIGIBILITY PROCESS, IS IT DISABILITY, IS IT MEDICAL, IS IT ENVIRONMENTAL? ENVIRONMENTAL IN THE CASE OF ARE THEY ABLE TO ACCESS IN A WHEELCHAIR? ARE YOU ABLE TO ACCESS THE FIXED ROUTE? WE REALLY CAN'T ACCESS THEM, DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. BOTH THE THINGS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN THAT ELIGIBILITY PROCESS. >> THIS IS A PROGRAM WHERE THEY CALL THEM IN, THE TRANSPORTATION IS THE CAP SYSTEM. >> CAP SYSTEM IF THEY SOLVE THEM, IF A SUBCONTRACTOR OF THE VENDOR ITSELF HAS HARRIS COUNTY RIDES BETTER BASED OUT OF HOUSTON, ME DO IT IN ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE COUNTIES ALSO WITH METRO AS WELL. >> SHARON, GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> WHEN I SPOKE TO THE MAYOR, I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT SOME ADULTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SHE HAD ISSUES IN THE VOUCHER THAT THE PROGRAM NOW. IS THAT UNDER THIS ADA? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S WHAT THE KEY WAS. PEOPLE WERE USING THE VOUCHERS TO GET TO A PLACE THROUGH YELLOW CARD AND THEY WERE NOT GETTING A RIDE BACK? >> THAT'S NOT US. >> WHO DOES THE CITY HOLD THE CONTRACT WITH? HOW CAN WE ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTS HERE WHO ARE USING THAT PROJECT THAT'S BEEN SET ASIDE. >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE VOUCHERS. >> THAT'S NOT US. >> WHO HANDLES THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS HERE WHO ARE USING THAT AND THEY'RE USING IT THROUGH YELLOW CAB, BUT THEY'RE GETTING TO THE DESTINATION BUT NOT GETTING BACK. BECAUSE THE CRUISE SHIP HAS INCREASED, SO CAB DRIVERS ARE OPTING TO GO TO THE CRUISE SHIP AND NOT SERVE OUR RESIDENTS. WHO HANDLES THAT? >> AS FAR AS THE BELT YOUR SYSTEM I'M NOT. >> I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT. >> THE YELLOW CAB HERE BECAUSE I STOPPED AND TALKED TO A GUY WHO DRIVES A YELLOW CAB AND HE SHOWED ME THE LITTLE VOUCHER THAT THEY USE. CAN WE FIND OUT WHO IS THROUGH. >> I'LL HAVE TO GIVE THE MOTION ON THAT. >> THE CONTRACT IS SUPPOSEDLY WITH THE CITY, I DON'T KNOW BUT WE'RE NOT SERVICING THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF THAT SYSTEM TO USE THE VOUCHER, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THEIR SERVICE. >> WE DON'T TRACK VOUCHERS. WELL, YOU HAVE TO REGISTER FOR THE ADA PAIR OF TRANSIT, YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR IT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC NEEDS TO USE THAT IF YOU ARE, WE ACCOMMODATE A ROUND TRIP. IF YOU DON'T ACCOMMODATE THAT, YOU HAVE TO RIDE THE BUS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. THIS VOUCHER THING, I'M TOTALLY ON HOW TO USE IT. >> THIS UP IF WE DO IT BEFORE THE AGENDA. I APOLOGIZE. >> THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE NOT THE CONTRACT. I KNOW IT'S A HUNCH, BUT YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN GALAXY WHO ARE NOT GETTING THEIR SERVICES AND [OVERLAPPING] >> HOUSING AUTHORITY. I STOPPED AND TALKED TO A YELLOW CAB DRIVER WHO SHOWED ME WHAT IT IS. IT'S A VOUCHER WHERE SOMEONE OVER 65 CALLS, THEY NEED TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE AND THEY GET ARRIVED, THEY PAY A SPECIAL FEE FOR A ROUND-TRIP RIDE. THEY GET THERE, BUT THE CAB IS NOT PICKING THEM BACK. ON THE DAYS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SHIFTS HAVE INCREASED AND I'M GOING TO SHIFT SO THEREFORE A TAXICAB DRIVERS ARE CHOOSING TO GO THERE OR THAN SERVICING THESE RESIDENTS. >> WE HAD CONCERNS WITH THAT PREVIOUSLY WHERE TAXI WILL SAY I'LL BE THERE WHEN I GET THERE. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS ON A DAY THERE'S PRETTY VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FROM ADA. >> I UNDERSTAND THE ADA, I'M SPEAKING OF THE ELDERLY POPULATION WHO FEEL THAT SAME AGREEMENT. IF YOU'RE NOT IN A WHEELCHAIR. >> SIXTY FIVE AND OLDER DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR ADA PARA TRANSIT >> BUT THEY QUALIFIES FOR SOME TRANSIT THAT IS THROUGH THE YELLOW CAB AND I DON'T KNOW. >> FOR SOME REASON MY SENSE IS SHARON, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADA PARA TRANSIT SYSTEM, BUT FOR SOME REASON THERE'S A VOUCHER HERE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT AT ALL. [03:40:06] WOULD YOU GET BRIAN, I GUESS YOUR WORK. >> I DON'T HAVE BOOTS RUNNING DOWN WITH THE CAB BECAUSE IT ONLY YELLOW CAB THAT'S DOING THIS OR DO OTHER CABS DO. >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> MAYBE A YELLOW CAB PROGRAM THAT THEY DO, I DON'T KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] >> ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE RUN INTO RECENTLY IS THAT CLIENTS THAT RIDE OUR BUSES DON'T WANT CONTACT YELLOW CAB DRIVERS INDIVIDUALLY. >> DAVID'S GOING TO RUN IT DOWN AND SAY CALLED YELLOW CAB AND THERE DEVICE IS UTMBEATS.SYSTEM. >> IS UTM? >> YES, MA'AM. [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY'RE USING THAT TO THE GROCERY STORE THEY PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I'VE HEARD AT LEAST SIX RESIDENTS TO TELL ME THAT. ONE LADY IS HER DAUGHTER WORKS DILIGENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOMETHING YOU HAVE OUT THERE. >> CAN I GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU LATER AND WE'LL SHARE ON ARMS AND GIVE THEM CALL THEM TODAY. >> BUT SHE JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT'S NOT OUR PROGRAM WE DON'T HAVE A VOUCHER PROGRAM AT THIS TIME. >> I KNOW THEY HAVE AT UTM. THE LADY WAS JUST IN THE HOSPITAL AND WHO SIT THERE AND JUST TOLD ME, SO I KNOW SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT. >> MY POINT IS IT'S NOT US. >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> DAVID SMITH BY SHARON WILL GET WITH YOU AND GET THAT DETAILS TO YOU. >> BRIAN, WHEN YOU FIND OUT AND GET AN ANSWER TO COUNCIL WOMAN LEWIS COULD YOU NOTIFY OUR COUNCIL. >> DOES HELP IF WE KNOW THESE ITEMS BEFORE AN AGENDA SO WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. WHEN WE GET HIT COLD HERE IN A MEETING, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, WE HAD STAFFS AND YOU'RE ALL DAY FOR THIS. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU ALSO SEND UP OR WRITE THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR ADA? >> YES, MA'AM, I CAN BREAK IT DOWN. THAT'S ONE THAT HAS AN EASTER SEALS, THE CIRCULAR THAT WE HAVE THAT GOVERNS US. IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT THAT THICK AND IT'S VERY DRY REDEEM. [LAUGHTER] >> EXACTLY, THAT'S RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. THERE ARE GENERALLY THREE QUALITIES FOR THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK THE BETTER QUESTION IS, HOW DO PEOPLE GO ABOUT QUALIFYING FOR THOSE? WHAT DO THEY NEED TO KNOW IF THEY NEED? >> BECAUSE I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAY BE IN NEED OF THIS, WHO WOULD NEED TO GET A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT, THAT ARE HANDICAPPED, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS SERVICE IS AVAILABLE. >> I WANT TO SAY THERE IS A WONDERFUL OUTLINE OF THIS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND I'VE READ THROUGH IT. WE WORKED VERY HARD [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU SEND THAT LINK TO THE COUNCIL, THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, PLEASE. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WORKED VERY HARD TO BRING THAT WEBSITE BACK UP AND MAKE IT MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY, MORE TO IT, BUT ALSO MAKE IT MORE COMPLIANT AS WELL. >> IT'S VERY SELF-EXPLANATORY ON THE WEBSITE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU JAMES. >> THANK YOU, DAVE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? >> WE'LL GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. >> ITEM 3I, PLEASED TO KNOW. [3.I. Discussion Of Policies Governing Non Agenda And Written Public Comments (Brown -10 Min)] >> 3I, DISCUSSION OF POLICIES GOVERNING NON-AGENDA AND WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> COUNCIL, THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA HERE. I'VE BEEN VISITING WITH JANELLE ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS. FIRST OF ALL, IF WE HAVE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THAT WE'RE VOTING ON, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION ON OUR AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEMS ONLY. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. SECTION ON THAT, WE HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS. JANELLE, I'M GOING TO LET YOU [OVERLAPPING] >> EXCUSE ME. >> DO YOU NEED ORAL COMMENTS? [OVERLAPPING] >> WRITTEN. >> WERE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS? [OVERLAPPING] >> WE ARE NOT. [OVERLAPPING] >> VERY FEW ORGANIZATIONS ALLOW WRITTEN COMMENTS. JANELLE, IF YOU COULD GET US UP TO SPEED ON THAT ISSUE? >> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LAWS RELATED TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A CITY ORDINANCE, AND WE ALSO HAVE STATE LAW, WHICH IS THE GOVERNMENT CODE KNOWN AS THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THE FIRST PAGE THAT I PASSED OUT TO YOU IS A COPY OF THE CITY ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS. YOU SEE ALL OF YOUR ITEMS ALL THE WAY FROM ONE DOWN TO 18, FROM DECLARATION OF A QUORUM, ALL THE WAY TO ADJOURNMENT. NUMBER TEN TALKS ABOUT REQUESTS TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS. [03:45:04] THIS IS REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW, BUT THIS IS ALSO IN CITY ORDINANCE. IF YOU GO DOWN TO ITEM 17, REQUESTS TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS, THIS IS IN YOUR CITY ORDINANCE, BUT THIS IS NOT IN STATE LAW. STATE LAW IS ON THE SECOND PAGE ON MY HANDOUT. THIS IS SECTION 551-007, ON THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, AND IT TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC TESTIMONY. WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT A GOVERNMENTAL BODY SHALL ALLOW EACH MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO DESIRES TO ADDRESS THE BODY, REGARDING AN ITEM ON AN AGENDA FOR AN OPEN MEETING OF THE BODY TO ADDRESS THE BODY REGARDING THE ITEM AT THE MEETING BEFORE OR DURING THE BODY'S CONSIDERATION OF THE ITEM. BEFORE COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON ANY ITEM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. STATE LAW DOES NOT ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS AT ALL. IT ALSO DOES NOT ADDRESS WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENTS. THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE CAME UP WITH DURING COVID AND WE'VE KEPT IT IN PLACE. THAT IT IS NOT REQUIRED UNDER THE LAW OF CITY ORDINANCE OR YOUR STATE LAW FOR THE WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM ONLINE. >> I KNOW MARIE HAS A QUESTION. JUST FURTHER CLARIFICATION. WE DID A LOT OF WRITTEN COMMENTS. I HAVE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF TALKING WITH JANELLE THAT WE'LL GET 50 WRITTEN COMMENTS ON AN ITEM. I THINK WE'VE GOT THIRTY-SOMETHING CURRENTLY. >> WE HAVE 60. [OVERLAPPING] >> SIXTY COMMENTS COMING UP THIS AFTERNOON. >> ONE THING TOO, A LOT OF THOSE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMMENTS YOU'RE GETTING DON'T HAVE A NAME. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT SHOULD BE BAD. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE REQUIRE YOU WHEN YOU SPEAK TO STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE WRITTEN COMMENTS AND YOU'RE GETTING ALL THIS CRAZINESS. [OVERLAPPING] >> PLUS WE'RE GETTING WRITTEN COMMENTS FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT DO NOT LIVE IN GALVESTON. THEY COME IN FROM ALL OVER THE STATE. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THESE WRITTEN COMMENTS IF WE ELECT TO KEEP THEM, WE DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE FOR JANELLE, LAST MEETING, AS SHE WAS READING COMMENTS, THE WRITTEN COMMENTS WERE FLOWING INTO HER BECAUSE SOMEBODY JUST DECIDED THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE A WRITTEN COMMENT, THEN I STARTED GETTING EMAILS SAYING THEY DIDN'T READ MY WRITTEN COMMENTS. WELL, WE DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE WITH JANELLE THEY WERE FLOWING INTO THE COMPUTER AND DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE COMING IN. >> I DIDN'T CHECK [OVERLAPPING] >> IT USED TO BE AT 12 O'CLOCK NOON DEADLINE [OVERLAPPING] >> READ THOSE COMMENTS. ANYWAY, THEY SHOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL. >> I'LL MAKE A COMMENT ON THE READ. I KNOW I WAS THE ONE WHO PUSHED FOR THIS AND IT WAS DURING COVID. BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T COME TO THE MEETING. IF YOU WERE MAKING A WRITTEN COMMENT AND IT WASN'T READ, THEN THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION. BUT NOW THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO THE MEETING, I MAY NOT GO WITH SUMMARIZING, BUT I DO NOT THINK COMMENTS COME FROM BECAUSE WE HAD ONE MEETING WHERE YOU READ TEN COMMENTS, FREEDOM WAY FROM INDEPENDENCE ROAD, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE RECORDED. OR IF YOU DON'T PUT YOUR REAL NAME AND YOUR REAL ADDRESS THEN FORGET ABOUT THEM. >> EVEN THE NEWSPAPER FORUM HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT STUFF. >> DAVID. >> MAY I SUGGEST WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ORIGINALLY BECAUSE YOU CALL IN AND FORWARD THOSE WRITTEN COMMENTS TO ALL OF THE COUNCIL BUT NOT READ THEM AND EVEN SUMMARIZE THEM. OFTEN WHAT WE GET I KNOW WE'VE ALL HAD THIS, [OVERLAPPING] THE CUT AND PASTE, THE TEMPLATE COMMENTS. AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL SEND YOU. I WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR OPINION IS AND IF THEY WANT TO SEND ME A SIMPLE COMMENT, THAT'S FINE. BUT I DON'T THINK IT SHOULDN'T INTERRUPT THE COUNCIL MEETING TO READ THOSE, OR EVEN TO SUMMARIZE. SEND THOSE TO THE COUNCIL. IF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK, COME TO COUNCIL, THE FORUM, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND SPEAK. WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS ACCOMMODATING PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO COME TO CITY HALL AND SPEAK DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JANELLE, MANY MUNICIPALITIES DON'T ALLOW WRITTEN COMMENTS COMPLETE. I TALKED TO BEVERLY WEST AND SHE WAS IN AUSTIN. I THINK THEY EVEN PUT A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER THEY WOULD EVEN ACCEPT. I THINK IT WAS 900 OR SOMETHING. >> NINE HUNDRED DURING COVID. IT WAS QUICK. IT WAS CUT OFF AT 12 NOON AND PEER COMMENT WAS ENDING BY 12 NOON. [03:50:03] [OVERLAPPING] >> I CAN TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE WE'RE ONE OF THE ONLY CITIES THAT ALLOWS COMMENTS ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME OR WITH ALL OF US, AND THEY USE JANELLE AS THAT POINT OF CONTACT, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO SEE ALL OF THOSE, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. >> BUT WE ALL RECEIVE ALL OF THEM. IT ISN'T JUST THE PEOPLE. WE ARE RECEIVING TEN COMMENTS WE'RE READING THEM. >> PART OF YOUR ORDINANCE POLICY GOES BACK TO A TIME BEFORE. SOME OF THESE ARE OLD ORDINANCES. THE COMMENT ON NON-AGENDA ITEMS. THE HEARKENS BACK TO A TIME WHEN PEOPLE COULDN'T REACH OUT TO YOU VIA FACEBOOK, EMAIL, TEXTS, PHONE, COURIER PITCH, YOU NAME IT. THERE ARE A THOUSAND WAYS TRUST ME. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE CONTACT YOU FOR THINGS THEY NEED. OPENING UP A PUBLIC AGENDA FOR PEOPLE TO COME TALK OF THAT. ANYTHING IN THE WORLD OPENS YOU UP TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE HERE SELLING THEIR STUFF. WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN. PROMOTING THEIR EVENTS OR JOURNALISTS. THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR MEETINGS ARE FOR. >> AS LONG AS WE KEEP SHEILA BELL ON OUR AGENDA [OVERLAPPING] >> HER RESENT TO ANY AGENDA ITEM [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN WE DO AN EXEMPTION FOR SURE? >> YEAH. >> BUT I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF THIS HARKENS BACK TO A TIME BEFORE WE HAD SO MUCH ACCESSIBILITY. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH OUR WEBSITE AND GETS IT IMMEDIATELY AND JANELLE GETS A COPY AND I GET A COPY. >> YES. >> NOBODY'S COMMENT GOES UNSEEN OR UNANSWERED, I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW OUR MOMENTS IN A PUBLIC MEETING ARE PRECIOUS IN THAT YOU NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON THE ITEMS AT HAND AND WHEN YOU START HAVING 30 MINUTES OF YOUR MEETING TAKEN UP BY THINGS THAT AREN'T ON ANYBODY'S AGENDA. >> IT'S 30 MINUTES, WE'RE TALKING AN HOUR, AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF. >> YEAH. I KNOW YOU-ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT WRITTEN COMMENTS, BUT THE NON-AGENDA ITEM COMMENTS TAKE UP AS MUCH TIME OR AS MUCH DEPTH, I KNOW, FOR JANELLE. >> SOMETIMES YES THEY DO. >> LET'S WORK THROUGH THIS SO WE CAN SUMMARIZE THIS. WRITTEN COMMENTS, SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS, WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE HANDLED IN A SECOND. SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE WRITTEN COMMENTS. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN WRITTEN COMMENTS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME AND DIRECTLY ADDRESS COUNCIL. I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE QUALIFICATIONS, AS BRIAN MENTIONED, RELATED TO VALIDATING A PERSON'S NAME, ADDRESS, OR SOME VALIDATION TO THAT FACT. NOW, DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO LIMIT IT TO GALVESTON. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM- >> IF WE WERE JUST VOTING, YOU GUYS, THAT'S FINE BUT I THINK ALSO [OVERLAPPING] >> JUST SIMPLY FORWARD THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE READ INTO. >> THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCLAIMER TO THAT. IF YOU SEND THIS AFTERNOON ON A COUNCIL DAY, COUNCIL MAY OR MAY NOT GET THIS BEFORE THE MEETING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> YEAH. WHAT I'M THINKING IS I'M HEARING WE'LL CONTINUE THE WRITTEN COMMENTS. THEY ARE NOT READ AT THE MEETINGS. YOU'RE NOT EVEN SUMMARIZED. THEY WILL BE SENT TO COUNCIL SO FAR IF WE WANT TO READ THROUGH AND WE CAN AND WE'LL SET A DEADLINE OF NOON OF THE DAY OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. YES, MA'AM. >> THE DEADLINE IS POINTLESS BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ME THROUGH GMAIL ANYTIME OF THE DAY OR NIGHT. >> WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT WRITTEN COMMENT. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT'S A WRITTEN COMMENT. >> NO BUT THEN SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU DID YOU RECEIVE MY WRITTEN COMMENTS FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING? >> YES. THEY FILL OUT A FORM. >> THEN THEY SEND IT [INAUDIBLE] >> ONLINE. >> JUST THE FORM ONLINE. >>PEOPLE CAN EMAIL YOU ALL AND UP TO AND DURING THE MEETINGS. >> COUNSEL, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH NON-AGENDA ITEMS OR HAVE ONLY AGENDA ITEMS? >> SHE'LL KNOW, [OVERLAPPING] SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME. >> I LIKED BRIAN'S HISTORICAL NARRATIVE ON THE REASONING BEHIND NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND I'D BE IN FAVOR OF STRIKING IT. >> IF WE DO 11 NON-AGENDA ITEMS IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. >> IT WOULD. >> OKAY. >> YES MIKE. >> HOW WOULD PEOPLE COMMUNICATE WHEN THEY WANT TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA ITEM? >> TO THEIR COUNCIL MEMBER. >> JANELLE IS VERY GOOD WHEN SHE GETS INFORMATION FROM INDIVIDUALS. IF THEY REQUEST, THE COUNCIL GETS THIS INFORMATION SHE ALWAYS DISTRIBUTE IT. >> I GET IT IMMEDIATELY. >> WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS UNTIL RECENTLY, CORRECT? >> RIGHT. >> SURE WE HAVEN'T. >> I DON'T THINK WE REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM EITHER. >> HAVE YOU HAD [INAUDIBLE] TOPICS. >> WE'RE GETTING THESE AMENDMENT AUDITORS THAT COME IN AND THEY'RE BLOWING YOU GUYS OFF THEN IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO TELL ME THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN. >> YEAH I THINK [OVERLAPPING] >> WE HAVE PEOPLE WALK UP THE COMMENT WOULD NEVER SAY THEIR ADDRESS. >> TRUST ME, IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM, YOU ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO SAY I'M SO AND SO I LIVE [03:55:02] HERE AND I'VE GOT A PROBLEM AND WE DEFINITELY NEED. BUT WHEN WE MIX THEM TOGETHER, IN-BETWEEN TWO VERY CONCERNED CITIZENS WITH LEGITIMATE PROBLEMS, WE GOT THIS GUY THAT YOU'RE PROMOTING HIS BOOK OR HIS SONG OR WHATEVER ELSE. >> IS THAT A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU SIGN IN? >> YES. >> YEAH. >> OUR REQUIREMENT [OVERLAPPING] >> NOTICE COUNCIL TOO I'VE CHANGED, I DON'T CALL ON PEOPLE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT OUR MEETINGS UNLESS THEY FILL OUT A FORM NOW. [OVERLAPPING] YES. NAME AND ADDRESS AND ALL THAT. >> BUT SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TALKED HAVEN'T EVEN PUT THEIR NAME DOWN ON THOSE FORMS. >> RIGHT. >> IF YOU'LL NOTICE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS NOW, I TELL THEM IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A TALK TO COUNCIL AND PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY HAVE TO FILL THESE FORMS OUT. >> ONE OTHER POINT THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STARTED DOING RECENTLY THAT WE DIDN'T USE TO DO IS ONCE THE MEETING STARTS, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE SIGNING UP TO SPEAK IN THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC COMMENT WANTING TO SPEAK MORE AND THEN YOU GO OUT AND YOU SAY, DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? THAT'S FINE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT TO ME, YOU NEED TO COME IN, YOU NEED TO FILL OUT YOUR FORM, YOU NEED TO HAVE IT DONE AND IT GETS TO YOU SO YOU CAN SORT THROUGH IT. BECAUSE IT HELPS COUNCIL. FOR YOU CAN YOU DO A GOOD JOB OF IT MAYOR? TO GROUP THE THINGS TOGETHER, IF THEY'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT STRAY CATS, LET'S GET ALL YOUR STRAY CAT COMMENTS TOGETHER AND NOT HAVE THEM POPPING IN ALL DURING THE MEETING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BY DEFINITION PANDEMONIUM. >> YEAH. I AGREE. YOU MEAN THAT VERY SUCCESSFUL STRAY CAT. >> YES. BUT I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS GETTING LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. WE FOCUS ON A LOT OF THINGS HERE, BUT OUR CITIZENS NEED TO BE FRONT AND CENTER ON THIS AND THAT'S HOW WE DO THAT IS BY GIVING THAT PRIORITY TO THESE THINGS. WHEN YOU MUDDIED UP WITH NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND STUFF FLYING IN ALL DIFFERENT ORDERS, EVERYTHING GETS LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. IT REALLY DOES. >> FIRST, WE'VE ALSO HAD THAT THING OF LATELY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE DONE A WRITTEN AND A PUBLIC COMMENT. >> YES. >> WE SAY THERE'S 55 COMMENT, BUT THERE REALLY ISN'T. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU DID GOOD JOB IN FRONT OF COMMENTS AND THEY'RE ALL OVER THE BOARD. >> BACK TO BRIAN'S POINT, WE USED TO SEPARATE AGENDA ITEMS FROM NON-AGENDA ITEMS. NON-AGENDA ITEMS USED TO BE ALL THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM, JUST LIKE IN YOUR ORDER OF BUSINESS, AND SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WE MOVED THAT UP TO BE WITH THE AGENDA ITEM. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T KNOW. WE NEED TO MONITOR THE ITEMS AT ALL. I'M FINE WITH ELIMINATING THAT. >> I WOULD EVEN GO AS FAR. IF SOMEBODY COMES HERE WITH A NON AGENDA ITEM. IF YOU SAY WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE, I'D BE WILLING TO WORK WITH HOPE TO SET UP A KIOSK WHERE THEY CAN GO SIT DOWN AT THAT KIOSK, THEY'RE HERE, THEY WANT TO COME AND WE CAN HAVE A KIOSK SO THEY CAN SIT DOWN AND ENTER IN IT SO THAT WAY YOU WOULD GET IT AND ALL OF COUNCIL GETS IT. ACTUALLY WE GIVE SOMEBODY THREE MINUTES, THEY GET CUT OFF. YOU'RE NOT GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION. THAT IS A MUCH BETTER WAY. IF THERE IS AN ITEM THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON AN AGENDA THAT THEY WANT COUNCIL TO HEAR ABOUT IT, THAT'S A MUCH BETTER WAY TO DO IT. >> LET'S GO AHEAD. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE WRITTEN COMMENTS, THE SPRING BACK AND ORDINATES CHANGE TO COUNSEL EXCLUDING NON AGENDA ITEMS UP ALLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE ALSO. >> CAN YOU IN THE MEETING WHEN YOU ASKED PEOPLE ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT YOU EMPHASIZED THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING OUT. THERE'S SOMETHINGS ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARING THAT SEPARATE OF COURSE FROM. >> THEY'RE GOOD ABOUT THAT. WHAT HAPPENS THEY'LL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING LISTED ON THEIR FORM. THEY'LL COME TO PLAY THEN THEY THEY DON T TALK IN OPEN SESSION. JOHN. >> DO WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? >> I DON'T THINK WE DO. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS SOME CODE HERE. >> I DIDN'T SEE IT. I SEE A LOT MORE ADDRESSES, BUT THEY'RE ADDRESSING THEIR BOARD. >> IF YOU ALL COULD REVIEW THAT AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED. [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE GOING TO DO A REVISION. >> BOTH [OVERLAPPING] ONES WE'VE HAD LIKE [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT BENEFITS THE PERSON MAKING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, THEN BRIAN CAN TAKE THAT IN CONTEXT. >> 1000 PERCENT. >> BECAUSE SOMETIMES SPEND DAYS AFTER ME TRYING TO TRACK SOMEBODY DOWN, IT ENDS UP BOGUS BEING. >> THAT'S FOR ALL COMPANY, BOTH OF THE SAME REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR ALL COMPANY AND [OVERLAPPING] WHAT'S THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS. SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTACT THAT, CORRECT? >> DISAGREE. JANELLE ARE WE CLEAR ON WHAT MANIPULATED? >> YES. >> ITEM 3J, JANELLE. [3.J. Discussion Of The Schedule And Format For Upcoming Park Board Interviews And Appointments (Brown - 10 Min)] >> 3J, DISCUSSION OF THE SCHEDULE AND FORMAT [04:00:02] FOR UPCOMING PART FOR INTERVIEWS AND APPOINTMENTS. >> HOW MANY TODAY, NOW JANELLE, DO WE DO? >> I THINK 27. >> WE'VE 27 ACTING. WE'RE GOING TO FINISH UP AROUND 33,35. ALTOGETHER APPLICATIONS ARE WE HAVE ADVERTISED, OUR INTERVIEW DAY IS JUNE 8TH. IF WE INTERVIEW EVERYBODY THAT IS APPLIED IS GOING TO BE 8-9 HOURS OF INTERVIEWS. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IF OUR COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED AND HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. I HAVE ALSO RECEIVE REQUESTS FROM TWO INDIVIDUALS, JANELLE SEEING ONE, I THINK REQUESTS THAT THEY CANNOT BE HERE ON THE INTERVIEW DAY. SO THEY WANT TO INTERVIEW ANOTHER DAY. IF WE'RE GOING TO, IF COUNCIL DECIDES, WE'RE GOING TO INTERVIEW ALL THE APPLICANTS, BUT WE'LL DO IT IN TWO DAYS. IT'S NOT SO LONG, THEN WE WILL STRUCTURE IT TO PROVIDE THAT SECOND DAY TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN'T COME ON JUNE 8TH. I HAVE ALSO HAD REQUESTS FROM INDIVIDUALS THAT THEY WANT A CERTAIN TIME DURING THE DAY FOR THEIR INTERVIEW. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ALSO MY REPLY TO THEM SO FAR IS THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH COUNCIL ON MAY 25TH AND WE'LL GET BACK WITH THEM. MARK YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. >> IS IT REQUIRED TO HAVE A INTERVIEW? >> NO, IT'S NOT AN [OVERLAPPING] OUR RESOLUTION WE PASSED, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO INTERVIEWS EVEN THOUGH THAT'S OUTLINED IS ONE OF OUR OPTIONS. IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. YOU COULD DO INTERVIEWS, YOU DID. YOU COULD DO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OR YOU COULD DO NOTHING. >> I'LL DO NOTHING MARIE. >> I PERSONALLY PREFER INTERVIEWS AND I THINK WE SHOULD INTERVIEW EVERYONE BECAUSE AGAIN, I REMEMBER DURING COVID WHICH DOES A WRITTEN QUESTION THING AND I THINK SERIOUSLY DISCOUNTED THE PROCESS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHEN WE'LL DECIDE ON THE PARTICULARS OF THE TWO REQUESTS FOR ANOTHER DATE? >> WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY. >> TODAY? >> YES, MA'AM. WELL, WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SUBJECT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE OR TWO PEOPLE. WE HAVE GIVEN ON THEM THE MORNING OF THE DAY THAT WE MAKE OUR APPOINTMENTS IN THIS SITUATION BE JUNE 22ND THAT MORNING. I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THOSE TWO CANDIDATES THAT DO THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO, COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ALREADY RANKED THEIR CANDIDATES, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT IF WE DID IT THAT WAY, WE COULD OPEN IT UP FOR JUNE 22ND. WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY. IF WE WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER DAY. >> WHERE WE COULD DO IT TWO DAYS? >> WE COULD DO TWO DAYS. >> I'LL JUST THROW MY OPINION OUT THERE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NEED IT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED AN INTERVIEW 30 APPLICANTS HERE. I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF BOTH OURS AND THEIR TIME. I THINK WE SHOULD DO SOME RATING SYSTEM UPFRONT. MAYBE PICK 10. THEN INTERVIEWED THE TOP TEN BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL NOT GET THIS POSITION AND IT IS WE ARE [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU KNOW, THAT ALREADY [LAUGHTER] >> WE ARE JUST PUTTING A FALSE HOPE OUT THERE AND THEIR TIME IS VALUABLE TOO. THEY DON'T NEED TO SIT THROUGH THIS TO NOT GET APPOINTED. >> THAT'S A POINT. IF WE'RE HAVING THREE DAYS, FIVE HOURS A DAY? WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE SITTING IN THE OTHER ROOM. I HADN'T THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY. >> THAT'S NICE POINT. >> WELL. >> BUT WAIT A MINUTE, PLEASE. THAT, I AM OF THE OPINION LEADER INTERVIEW THEM ALL OR DON'T INTERVIEW, AND INTERVIEWING EVERYBODY. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AN ONEROUS BURDEN BECAUSE AS JOHN SAYS, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE LIST. I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR. I'M NOT GOING TO RANK, I'M NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND. THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT OF THEM. THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE ON THIS LIST. I DON'T KNOW. THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS LIST COULD BE GREAT CANDIDATES AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT THERE'S PART OF ME THAT THINKS THAT'S ON ME THEN TO READ THE APPLICATION. IF IT APPEALS TO ME, CONTACT THAT INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE I INTEND TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS, SOME OF THEM I KNOW BY NAME, BUT I DON'T KNOW THEM WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PURPOSES FOR APPLYING OR WHETHER THEY FEEL THEY'RE QUALIFIED. I INTEND TO REACH OUT TO ANY NUMBER OF THESE FOLKS, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO REACH UP PROBABLY IN ALL 30 OF THEM. >> I WOULD SAY I AGREE WITH DAVID FROM THE STANDPOINT. WE EITHER NEED TO DO ALL OR NONE. [04:05:02] IF WE START SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PICK 10 CANDIDATES AND THEN IT JUST DOESN'T. >> I WOULD TELL YOU AFTER A COUPLE OF FEW OF THESE, GO SIT IN CHURCH FOR EIGHT HOURS AND TELL ME HOW MUCH ATTENTION YOU'RE PAYING IN THE LAST HOUR VERSUS THE FIRST-YEAR, YOU'RE NOT. IN THE GUY THAT GETS JUST BY RANK GETS SCHEDULED AT THE END, HE'S NOT GETTING THEM FAIR [OVERLAPPING] >> WE ARE NOT THE CONCERN. IF SAY WE DIVIDE IT UP INTO TWO DAYS AND DO FIVE AND FIVE BY THE TIME YOU COME TO THE SECOND HOUR, THIRD HOUR COUNCIL WAS AT A POINT. YOU CAN GIVE THEM VERY FEW QUESTIONS AND WE JUST [OVERLAPPING] >> MOST LIKE THIS GROUP IS RIGHT, THE SECOND. [LAUGHTER] FIVE HOURS. >> YOU'RE NOT MAKING GOOD DECISIONS. NOBODY GOES THROUGH AN INTERVIEW PROCESS WHERE THEY TAKE ALL THE APPLICANTS AND THEY INTERVIEW. WHAT CORPORATION OR WHAT ENTITY DOES THAT? >> NO. >> YOU TAKE YOUR TOP ONES AND YOU BRING IN YOUR TOP CANDIDATES AND INTERVIEW THOSE PEOPLE. >> HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE TOP 10? >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE BRIAN HAS GOT A POINT. YOU DON'T INTERVIEW ANYONE I DON'T KNOW, BUT, THIS JUST STARTED, YOU KNOW WHAT HOW MANY YEARS AGO? MAYBE. >> THREE, FOUR. >> NO. >> LONGER THAN THAT. >> HAVE ALWAYS MAYBE? WE'VE BEEN ON THIS PROJECT. >> WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT. >> BUT WE NEED TO REALLY TALK THIS OUT TODAY. BECAUSE THESE CANDIDATES NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND WE NEED TO NOTIFY THEM BECAUSE WE'RE JUNE 8TH, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO START THESE INTERVIEWS AND THERE'S PEOPLE CHANGING THEIR SCHEDULES TO ACCOMMODATE THIS. >> THEN MY FEELING IS WE DON'T INTERVIEW ANY. MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICATIONS ARE DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYONE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE CANDIDATES TO REACH OUT TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO DISCUSS, I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO THOSE APPLICANTS. I WILL REVIEW EVERY APPLICATION WE GET, BUT I DON T THINK I'M INTERESTED IN SPENDING 12, 15 HOURS SITTING IN THIS ROOM. >> BUT IT WOULDN'T BE IF WE GAVE EVERYBODY 10 MINUTES AND THERE'S 30 APPLICANTS THAT'S FIVE HOURS. >> YOU ANSWER ABOUT FOUR AN HOUR, I CAN JUST TELL YOU BY THE TIME THAT MOVES IN AND OUT AND ALL THAT. IT'S AROUND FOUR [OVERLAPPING] EIGHT HOURS. >> FOUR PER HOUR AND THEN THAT'LL BE 30 BUT IT'S NOT 10. >> WE'VE HEARD FROM DAVID FINKLEA. >> I LOOK, I AGREE. I ECHO JOHN'S CONCERNS OR PHILOSOPHY ABOUT HOW YOU GO THROUGH AN INTERVIEWING PROCESS FOR CANDIDATES IN CORPORATE AMERICA. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE IT DEFINED YET, BUT IF ENOUGH INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ON THE APPLICATION, IN ADDITION TO MAYBE SOME POINTED QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MIGHT ASK FOR THE RESPONDENTS SUIT OR THE APPLICANTS RESPOND TO. THEN I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY TO MAYBE SHORTLIST AND SOME RATING AND RANKING PROCESS,10 OR 15 CANDIDATES, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, 10 CANDIDATES THAT WE WOULD GO THROUGH AND SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH THEM. >> BUT IF WE WERE DOING PRE-RANKING, WHERE PRE-DETERMINING WHO'S GOTTEN POINTS. >> YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN. >> I KNOW. >> BUT SO MAYBE YOU DO THREE CANDIDATE HOW MANY SPOTS WE HAVE FIVE? >> WE HAVE FOUR OR FIVE BOYS CALL YESTERDAY AND THAT RESIGNATION FROM THE FIFTH CANDIDATE IS COMING TO US. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'LL BE FINE AND THEN WILL LOOK AT THAT. >> MAYBE YOU DO 15. IT'S 3+5. THEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AND DO ANOTHER RANKING PROCEDURE. >> SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS AS YOU READ THROUGH THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE BARE BONES. AND SOME OF THEM THEY HAVE RESUMES OF 20 AND 30 PAGES. SO IT'S HARD TO SOMETIMES GET A- >> WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TRANSPARENCY, BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING [OVERLAPPING] >> NO. WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL. I'LL SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS I NEED TO ON THIS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M GOING TO SHORT SIDE THIS, BUT I THINK IT IS MORE OF A WASTE OF THEIR VALUABLE TIME, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY. >> MIKE. >> I AGREE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T WANT TO RANK SOMEBODY 1-27. I THINK WE SHOULD ALL GET SEVEN, LIKE 1-7 AND THEN RANK OUR CANDIDATES AND THEN WHOEVER COMES UP AT THE TOP FIVE OTHER PEOPLE WILL PICK. >> ARE YOU TALKING IN FAVOR OF NOT DOING THE INTERVIEWS? >> NO INTERVIEWS. I ALREADY SAID THAT. >> I WAS GOING TO PROPOSE TO COUNCIL. >> INTERESTING. >> IS HOWEVER WE DO IT, THAT WE RANK OUR TOP FIVE. IF WE HAVE FIVE SPACES, WE'LL RANK ON TOP OF THAT. >> THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK WE PROBABLY RANK 10. [OVERLAPPING] >> TEN OR 15 [OVERLAPPING] [04:10:01] >> MAYBE EVEN I DON'T WANT TO RANK 30 PEOPLE BECAUSE FOR MOST OF IT'S 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ETC. BUT IF YOU ONLY RANK FIVE. >> THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. >> WELL AND WE ONLY GET A LIST OF FIVE, THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE. YOU WOULD THINK IF SOMEBODY GETS RANKED IN THE TOP FIVE, THEY'RE GOING TO GET APPOINTED, BUT THEY DON'T. BUT IT TAKES FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. >> WE DISCUSSED THAT. >> WE DID. >> JANELLE AND I DISCUSSED THAT. STATISTICALLY IF YOU RANK FIVE CANDIDATES, THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM IF EVERYBODY RANKED THE SAME FIVE. >> THE SAME FIVES. >> YOU'LL [OVERLAPPING] HAVE PROBABLY 8-10 CANDIDATES. >> BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN FIVE >> NO, IF WE RANKED FIVE, YOU TAKE WHAT? YOU'RE NOT SAYING WE'D COME OUT WITH A LIST OF FIVE-YOU'RE SAYING NO, WHATEVER THAT LIST COMES OUT WHEN WE RANK THEM. [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M SORRY. I MISSED IT. I'M JUST TAKING YOUR TOP FIVE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I DISAGREE WITH THAT. NOW YOU'RE CHANGING THE WHOLE RANKING THING, THE WAY THAT YOUR VOTES NEED TO SPREAD. >> IF YOU WANT TO RANK ALL 30 OF THEM, WE CAN LIKE 10. >> NOT ALL 30, BUT IT'D BE RANKED 10, 10 IS WAY EXPENSE DONE. >> I MAY HAVE FORGOT THE CONVERSATION. IF EACH OF US RANKS OUR TOP FIVE, GIVE THOSE TO JANELLE AND JANELLE GIVES US BACK EVERYONE ON THAT LIST IN RANKED ORDER, YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH 10 [OVERLAPPING] >> WAY MORE THAN FIVE >> I MISS INTERPRETED WHAT YOU SAID. .. I GOT YOU. >> STATISTICALLY, WE AS STATISTICIAN AND I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT NAME AND THEY SAID THAT THAT WAS THE BEST. >> BUT IF YOU GET FIVE BRILLIANT, WE ALL AGREE. >> YEAH. [LAUGHTER] >> THIS STATISTICIAN SAID JUST RANK THE FIRST FIVE. JUST RANK THE FIVE. >> EACH PERSON RANK THEIR FIVE. >> EACH PERSON RANKS THEIR FIVE. >> MAYBE. I WOULD TAKE A LIST OF 30, I WOULD PICK FIVE AND RANK THEM ONE THROUGH FIVE AND THEN THAT'S IT. >> NO INTERVIEWS. CAN WE ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF ACTUALLY HAVING WRITTEN QUESTIONS THAT THEY WERE RESPOND TO? >> YOU COULD ASK THEM QUESTIONS. YOU COULD SCHEDULE IT. YOU COULD SAY A LITTLE SIT DOWN WITH ANYONE OF THEM. >> I THINK SHE ASKED ONE, YOU SHOULD ASK THEM ALL. >> EXACTLY, AND THEN ASK THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE. >> WELL, LET ME SAY THIS, I WAS MAYOR WHEN WE DID THAT, WE NEVER COULD COME UP WITH WHAT QUESTIONS WE WANT TO ASK. >> BEFORE THIS PROCESS, YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THEM AND ASK QUESTIONS. >> INDIVIDUALLY. >> WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH JANELLE, IF YOU WANT TO ASK SOMEBODY A QUESTION OR ASK A QUESTION, YOU CAN SEND THAT QUESTION TO JANELLE, JANELLE WOULD SEND IT TO ALL 30 OF THEM AND THEN THEY WOULD SEND BACK AN ANSWER. >> WHY COULD WE COME UP WITH LIKE FIVE QUESTION. >> BECAUSE AS WE TRIED THIS TIME [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WERE ALSO RUNNING OUT OF TIME BECAUSE TODAY IS THE 25TH DEADLINE IS YOU GET LOTS OF 31ST AND WHEN ARE THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE DUE FROM THE APPLICANTS AND THEN YOU GOT TO MAKE A DECISION YOU GOT TO RANK EVERYONE [OVERLAPPING] BASED ON QUESTION. [LAUGHTER] YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME? >> I LIKE THE INDIVIDUAL ABILITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEND QUESTIONS TO JANELLE AND JANELLE WILL FORWARDS OUT TO THE APPLICANTS. >> JUST A SECOND. EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD SUBMIT A QUESTION. >> IF THEY WANT TO. >> IF THEY WANT TO. [OVERLAPPING] >> ARE YOU GOING TO SAY FIVE QUESTIONS? THEN JANELLE WOULD SEND TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS OUT TO EVERY CANDIDATE. >> I BELIEVE THE QUALIFICATION THAT JANELLE HAS THE ABILITY TO CALL THOSE IF THERE ARE SIMILAR QUESTION. IF SOMEBODY SAYS, WHAT ARE YOUR REASONINGS FOR SERVING, WHY DO YOU WANT TO SERVE? THERE'S THE PHRASE SIMILAR, THAT SHE HAS THE ABILITY TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE. >> I GOT SOME VACATION TIME PLAN IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS YEAR [LAUGHTER] I'M GOING TO BE AWAY FROM THAT EMAIL FOR A WHILE. >> SAY, IT TURNS OUT YOU'LL FUN DAY IT'S FAR MORE CHAOTIC THAN THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> IF YOU COULD ALSO RATE MY QUESTION, THEN GETS FIVE QUESTIONS, I DON'T NEED TO SEE THEM. I MIGHT HAVE MY OWN FIVE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK. >> YOU BETTER ADD THIS IDEA TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR QUESTION. [OVERLAPPING] >> OH MY GOODNESS, I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT WE DO NOT DO THE INTERVIEWS. I'M GOING TO PROPOSE THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER SUBMITS QUESTIONS TO JANELLE THAT THEY MAY WANT POSED TO ALL THE CANDIDATES. >> BY THE 31ST OR BY WHEN? >> WHEN DO YOU LEAVE? >> WHEN DO YOU LEAVE? >> I LEAVE ON JUNE 2ND. [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK? >> I'M OFF THAT FRIDAY AND ALL THE NEXT WEEK. >> YOU GOT TO THIS FRIDAY? [04:15:01] >> I'M PLANNING ON JANUARY [OVERLAPPING] >> BY TOMORROW? >> I FORGET WHAT DAY IT IS, BUT I THINK IS TOMORROW. >> NO. >> NO, BY 31ST. >> ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO SEAL. >> THAT'S THE APPLICATION DEADLINE, AND THEN WE'LL GET THOSE QUESTIONS OUT TO ALL THE APPLICANTS. >> JANELLE, YOU WILL OUTLINE TO THEM THAT COUNCIL HAS DECIDED NOT TO INTERVIEW? >> YES, I WILL. >> BUT THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL THEM FROM WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER THEY CAME. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE LEGAL PROBABLY NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT GOVERNS THIS. DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MODIFICATION OF THAT RESOLUTION TO DO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE? >> I DON'T THINK SO. >> COOL. >> SEND YOUR QUESTIONS TO JANELLE. >> I'VE ALREADY SPENT A LONG TIME. >> JANELLE YOU NEED YOUR QUESTION. >> BY THAT 31ST. >> BY THE 31ST. SEND YOUR QUESTIONS AND THEN THE ANSWERS OF ALL THE QUESTIONS PLEASE SEND TO COUNCIL ONCE THOSE ARE FINALIZED AND SEND ALL THE ANSWERS TO COUNCIL. THEN WE'LL RANK YOUR TOP FIVE FROM THOSE AND GET THOSE TO JANELLE IN TIME FOR THE JUNE 22ND MEETING. THESE TWO CANDIDATES THAT ARE OUT OF THE COUNTRY THAT I'VE HEARD FROM, DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO COME IN? [OVERLAPPING] >> IF THEY CAN DO IT. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> JUST FOR QUICK CLARIFICATION. AFTER THE RANKINGS COME BACK AND ARE SUMMARIZED BY JANELLE, WE THEN HAVE A LIST AND THEN IS IT THE INTENT THAT THOSE TOP FIVE ARE THEN GOING TO BE BROUGHT INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN VOTED ON? >> NO. >> NO, RANKING. >> THE LAW REQUIRES THAT ANY APPOINTEE RECEIVE FOR FROM AN OPPOSING COUNCIL. WHAT WE'VE TRADITIONALLY DONE IS THAT RANKING IS THEN THE ORDER IN WHICH JANELLE PRESENTS THE NOMINEE TO THE MAYOR AND WE VOTE ON THEM ONE AT A TIME. >> I DIDN'T SAY IT RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. THANK YOU. >> I'M SURE YOU WERE RIGHT. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. >> WE'LL GO WITH THAT, DAVID. >> SOUNDS GOOD. >> VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> CAN I JUST SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE JUNE THE 8TH IS MY BIRTHDAY. [OVERLAPPING] >> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE EIGHTH. >> THE WHOLE THING REVOLVED AROUND THAT. >> THOUSAND PERCENT, CORRECT. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. MAYOR, THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY BRIEF, [4. EXECUTIVE SESSION] SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO BREAK IN BETWEEN. LET'S GET IT DONE, GET IT OVER WITH. >> WELL, THAT'S FINE. WE HAVE DONE LUNCH AFTER FOR US TOO. >> THIS IS GOING TO TAKE HALF A SECOND. >> VERY GOOD. >> I NEED TO SAY YOU HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR HOURS. >> IT IS 1:25 PM, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS IN OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.072 AND AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THE ACQUISITION OF REAL ESTATE BY THE CITY OF GALVESTON. WE ARE NOW IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. [OVERLAPPING] COUNCIL IT IS 1:46 PM, WE HAVE NOW RETIRED OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, BACK INTO OPEN SESSION. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA AND WE NOW ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. >> WE GENERALLY ALL HAVE LEARNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.