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[Landmark Commission on May 1, 2023.]
TODAY IS MAY 1ST, AND THE TIME IS FOUR MINUTES AFTER TWO.WE'LL START OUT WITH A TWO MINUTES AFTER FOUR.
OKAY. SO WE'LL START WITH ATTENDANCE.
OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY? SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE ON.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND LOOK AT THE MEETING, THE MINUTES.
DO YOU SEE OR FIND ANY CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO. OKAY.
THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
DO YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT RECEIVED.
OKAY. OUR FIRST ITEM IS CASE 23LC-015.
THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO SOME QUESTIONS I WANT TO EXPLORE WITH THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO TO NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE FIRST CASE IS 23 LC DASH 015 1509 MECHANIC AVENUE C.
SINCE THAT REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING INSTALLATION OF SHUTTERS, YOU'LL NOTE THE ZONING AND LAND USE INFORMATION AS WELL AS THE HISTORICAL AND ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES ON PAGE TWO AND PAGE THREE OF YOUR REPORT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE SPECIFIC CONDITION.
ONLY ONE SPECIFIC CONDITION LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX.
WE DO HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS NOW.
WE HAVE ONE UP. OH, I DIDN'T PULL IT OUT.
IT'LL TAKE US A MINUTE TO GET THE PICTURES UP IF YOU WANT TO DO QUESTIONS TO STAFF.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS CASE? IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
I GUESS THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE.
PICTURE THAT WE'RE GIVEN TO APPROVE IS JUST THIS PICTURE OF THE FRONT.
SO IT WOULD THERE BE FURTHER APPROVAL FROM STAFF PENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE SHUTTERS? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE APPROVE THIS CASE AS IT'S PRESENTED TODAY, WOULD THERE THEN BE A SECOND ACTION FOR STAFF TO THEN APPROVE THE FINAL OR IS THIS IT? YEAH, THIS IS IT. AND THE REQUEST IS ACTUALLY FOR THE ENTIRE HOME.
SO THEY'RE PROPOSING SHUTTERS ON ALL THE WINDOWS OF THE HOUSE.
OKAY. SO ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY.
YEAH. SO. OKAY. YEAH, THIS IS.
YEAH, THIS IS A PICTURE PRESENTED IN THE SUBMITTAL.
AND WE ALSO HAVE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
SO THESE ARE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST.
AND I BELIEVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS ONE AHEAD.
BUT YEAH, ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S THE PICTURE YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR SUBMITTAL.
IT'S WHAT, IT'S, IT'S THE ONE THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AT THIS TIME AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MRS.
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FOX IS PRESENT OR IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE PRESENT FOR THIS PROPERTY? MS.. FOX ASKED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING BY ZOOM, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT SHE'S HERE.OKAY. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE? IF SHE'S NOT IN IT, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO WE WANT TO WAIT AND SEE IF SHE CHIMES IN? WAIT A MINUTE. WAIT A MINUTE. I THINK SHE'S THERE.
MISS FOX, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME, MS.. FOX? YES. GREAT.
CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? AND DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHUTTERS? UH, NO. WE'RE.
WE TALKED WITH CATHERINE GORMAN, UM, ABOUT IT, AND SHE SAID THAT THE APPROPRIATE STYLE OF SHUTTER WOULD BE THE. THE LOUVERED SHUTTERS.
THE REST OF THE WINDOWS ARE SINGLE AND WOULDN'T REQUIRE THE BIFOLD.
SO I INCLUDED A DRAWING AND THEN SOME PICTURES THAT WE SAW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE SIMILAR TO THAT ONE THAT HAD THE BIFOLD SHUTTERS ALREADY INSTALLED.
SO THE REST OF THE HOUSE, IT'S JUST THEY'RE JUST SINGLE WINDOWS, WHICH WOULD JUST BE A SINGLE FOLD.
SHUTTER. OKAY, SO THE PHOTOS WERE ATTACHED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT THE PHOTOS THERE, BUT THE ONES I INCLUDED.
THAT WAS THAT WAS ALL I INCLUDED BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THE OTHERS WERE THE OTHER DRAWINGS WOULD BE NECESSARY, BUT I CAN PROVIDE SOME MORE INFORMATION IF THAT'S REQUIRED.
OKAY. THE THE ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT THE FRONT WINDOW TO THE RIGHT HAS BEEN MODIFIED TWICE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO LOWER SASH WINDOWS.
AND THEN IN 2014, THE TRANSOM, WHICH WAS NEW, WAS MADE TO GO OVER IT.
SO SOMETHING THREW ME OFF ABOUT THAT.
THEY SIT ON TOP OF THE SILL AND WITHIN THE CASING AND THEY SIT FLUSH.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT WIND CAN'T PENETRATE IT TO PICK THEM UP AND OPEN THEM UP.
BUT THESE WINDOWS ON THE RIGHT HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SIT FULLY ON TOP OF THE CASING, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE EASY UNLESS YOU SCREWED THEM DOWN FOR WHEN TO PICK THEM UP AND THROW THEM.
WE TRADITIONALLY SEE SHUTTERS SITTING WITHIN THE CASINGS, SO YOU HAVE THE SILL ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TWO SIDE CASINGS AND THE UPPER CASINGS AND THE SHUTTERS FIT INSIDE OF THAT.
THE SHUTTERS ON THE RIGHT AND ON THE LEFT ACTUALLY ARE DRAWN TO FIT THE ENTIRE SPACE.
SO I FEEL LIKE THE WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC DRAWINGS BEFORE.
OKAY. YEAH. TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
ALSO, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE MIDDLE RAIL ON THESE SHUTTERS.
YOU WOULDN'T SEE JUST WOOD SLATS ALL THE WAY DOWN.
THERE WOULD JUST BE AT LEAST ONE MIDDLE RAIL AND REALLY TALL ONES.
SO I CAN SEE THE BIFOLD TO GET OVER.
BUT THAT ONE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS PROBLEMATIC.
I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW WAS GOING TO DO THAT.
ON THE RIGHT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.
YES, I KNOW HOW SHUTTERS GO IN.
SO IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S A INDENTATION THERE, THEN THEY WOULD FIT WITHIN THE INDENTATION.
BUT THE WINDOW ON THE RIGHT DOES NOT HAVE THAT INDENTATION.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT. I DID A.
A DRIVE BY AND TOOK A LOOK AT IT FROM THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS SEEING IN THE PICTURE.
SO THERE'S NO WAY FOR THOSE SHUTTERS TO FIT IN IF THEY WERE TO GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME IF THAT IS GOING TO FIT IN LIKE A TRADITIONAL SHUTTER, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO MODIFY THE OUTSIDE TRIM SO THAT IT ACTUALLY BUILDS UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT YOU CAN THEN ATTACH THE SHUTTERS AND THEN THEY CAN FOLD AND FLUSH.
OKAY, I'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT.
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AND AND I CAN GET, YOU KNOW, I CAN GET YOU A MODIFIED DRAWING FOR SURE.THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT WOULD BE A, I THINK, AN EASY THING TO DO TO JUST HAVE THE CASING AROUND THE WINDOW EXTENDED SO IT CAN FIT IN, FLUSH, NOT THAT IT COULDN'T BE DONE THE OTHER WAY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE OTHER RESIDENTS ANY IDEA THAT THAT'S OKAY TO DO, JUST COVER THE WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT HOUSE AND THAT IT WAS BUILT IN 1854 AND IT WAS ONCE OWNED BY JAMES LOVE, WHO WAS A SIGNIFICANT FIGURE IN TEXAS HISTORY AND GALVESTON HISTORY AS WELL.
RIGHT. AND THEN THE ADDITION WAS 1885.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES THAT AGE IN GALVESTON.
AND OF COURSE, BEING LANDMARK, I THINK IT DESERVES THAT WE TAKE EXTRA SPECIAL CARE.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. SURE.
NO, THAT WAS JUST MY CONCEPTUAL DRAWING.
I HADN'T YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, I HADN'T LOOKED AT IT THAT CLOSELY.
I'D LOOKED CLOSER AT THE THE WINDOW THAT'S ON THE PORCH.
UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION.
AND THIS ONE'S KIND OF TRICKY, SO I'M GOING TO THROW OUT THE MOTION.
I'M MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ALL OF THE SHUTTERS FOR ALL OF THE WINDOWS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT FRONT ONE. AND ON THAT FRONT, ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC.
ON THE APPROVAL THAT SHE COME BACK TO STAFF, NOT TO LANDMARK, BUT COME BACK TO STAFF TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE MADE THE NECESSARY CHANGES SO THAT THAT SHUTTLE WILL FIT IN PROPERLY THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY THAT MY MOTION IS THAT WE ALLOW ALL OF THE OTHER SHUTTERS AND ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS TO GO FORWARD AND THEN UNDER SPECIFIC CONDITION, ONE, TO CONSENT TO THAT THE APPLICANT COME BACK TO STAFF AND SHOW.
A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC DIMENSIONS ON THESE SHUTTERS, INCLUDING WHETHER THEY HAVE A RAIL OR NOT, THAT THEY ARE FITTING WITHIN THE CASING AND THAT THAT RIGHT WINDOW HAS BEEN CONFIGURED TO ACCEPT A GOOD FIT OF THAT SHUTTER.
THAT'S MY MOTION. CAN WE GET THAT? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SHARON SECONDS.
DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? NO, YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
SO ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION IS APPROVED.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S STILL ON, BUT THAT'S A DARLING HOUSE AND A VERY SPECIAL HOUSE.
I SAY THANKS. APPRECIATE THE INPUT.
YEAH, THAT'S A VERY SPECIAL HOUSE.
LOVE THAT. OKAY, MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE CASE 20 2-013 2426.
MECHANIC THE CASE NUMBER HERE IS 23LC014.
31 NOTICES WERE SENT TO RETURN TO THOSE TWO IN FAVOR.
THE WINDOWS ARE LOCATED ON THE NORTH AND EAST FACADES OF THE BUILDING.
MATERIALS OF THE NEW WINDOWS ARE PROPOSED TO BE VINYL WITH SIMULATED DIVIDED LIGHTS.
THE WINDOWS TO BE REPLACED ARE LOCATED IN NORTH ON THE NORTH FACADE LOCATION SEE LESS VISIBLE SECONDARY WALL AND THEN ON THE EAST FACADE LOCATION D NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FACADE.
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AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES.THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS OF THE WINDOWS.
THEY ARE IN THE ALLEY AND THEN ON THE EAST FACADE.
UH, ONE CLOSE UP PICTURE OF THE CURRENT WINDOWS AND THEN MORE PICTURES OF THE ALLEY FACADE.
AND THEN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE PROPERTY OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT.
YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR YOUR PROJECT? YEAH, IF YOU COULD.
IF YOU COULD. I'M SORRY. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.
OKAY. DO I HAVE A PEN? SURE. THANKS.
THANK YOU. MY NAME IS ANTHONY LUBRANO.
TONY PLEAS. CASE NUMBER IS 23LC14.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT LEAKAGE PROBLEM IN THESE WINDOWS.
THESE WINDOWS, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN.
WE JUST BOUGHT THE PLACE IN AUGUST.
NOBODY INFORMED US OF ANY LEAKS.
OKAY. THEY'RE WOOD, THE WOOD IS ROTTING IN THE WINDOWS.
WE'RE TALKING PUDDLES ON OUR FLOOR.
OKAY. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
BESIDES BEING A HEALTH CONCERN, IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN.
THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DRY WALLS.
THERE'S NOT SUPPOSED THESE ARE NOT WET WALLS.
YOU CAN'T DO THIS WITH WOOD WINDOWS.
OKAY. AND WE WANT TO GET THE WPA CERTIFICATION FOR THE WINDOWS SO THAT THESE ARE ACTUALLY IMPACT RESISTANT HURRICANE WINDOWS THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE THEM WITH. OKAY.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE WINDOW FRAMES AND THE GRIDS, I EVEN GOT THE ORDERED UP THE THE EXTRA WIDE GRID SO THAT THEY BETTER MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOWS.
SO EXTERNALLY, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT, IT WOULD MOST DEFINITELY BE IT.
YOU WOULDN'T NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE.
OKAY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES THAT I PROVIDED, NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE THE PICTURES OF THE THE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH THE FRAMES, AND THEN I HAVE THE MANUFACTURER'S RENDERING OF THE NEW WINDOWS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE WINDOWS LOOK THE SAME.
THE OTHER PROBLEM IS THERE IS NO EGRESS WINDOW.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN EGRESS WINDOW.
ALL OF THE WINDOWS AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN SEALED.
YOU CANNOT OPEN ANY OF THESE WINDOWS.
SO AS A RESULT, YOU HAVE NO WAY OF GETTING OUT OF THIS HOUSE EXCEPT THROUGH THE DOOR.
SO OR BREAK OUT A WINDOW AND TRY AND JUMP.
SO THE INTENT IS WE'LL PUT EGRESS WINDOW IN THE BEDROOM AS WELL.
SO AND I BELIEVE THAT THESE WINDOWS, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THEM, WOULD VERY CLOSELY MATCH TO WHAT YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BUILDING THEMSELVES.
AND IT HAS NO STREET FACING WINDOWS.
SO I NEED TO REPLACE THEM ALL AND EVERY ONE OF THEM LEAK.
AND THIS IS THIS IS ALL ALLEY FACING.
YEAH. WELL FIVE OF THEM ARE ALLEY FACING.
AND THE OTHERS, THE OTHER TWO ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
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I'M SORRY, MA'AM. YOU.YOU HAD SAID THAT NORTH AND EAST, NORTH AND EAST, FACING SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
YEAH. THE NORTH FACING SIDE, I BELIEVE, IS THE IS THE THE FIVE AND THE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE ANY OF THE WINDOWS STREET FACING.
NONE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO BY THE STREET AND LOOK UP AND SEE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DROVE DOWN THE STREET YOU'D HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN THE ALLEYWAY AND LOOK UP TO BE ABLE TO SEE THESE WINDOWS. THIS IS IN THE ALLEY.
OKAY. AND THE NEW WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD BE ARCHED AS WELL.
YES. WELL, THE THE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE WINDOW ITSELF IS NOT ARCHED.
I MEAN, IT'S GOT ARCHING ON THE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
BUT THE FRAMING IS IS SQUARE, RECTANGULAR.
NO, THEY'RE ALL THEY'RE ALL ARCHED.
NO, ONLY ONLY ON THE EXTERIOR.
YEAH, BUT THIS PICTURE IS JUST A SQUARE.
LOOK AT THE. LOOK AT THE PICTURE HERE.
I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PAGE HERE, WHERE YOU WHERE I NUMBERED, THE FIVE, THE FIVE WINDOWS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE FROM THE INSIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE INTERIOR OF THE WINDOW IS SQUARE.
BUT THE HE'S NOT PROPOSING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE ARCHED OPENING.
SO THE ARCHED OPENING WILL REMAIN AS IS.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT EVEN THE ARCH.
THAT'S A WOODEN ARCH ON THE OUTSIDE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO HOW WILL YOU PUT A VINYL WINDOW WITHOUT DISTURBING THAT WOOD MULLION ON THE OUTSIDE? NO, IT'LL FIT IN THERE.
SO THE WOOD MULLION ON THE OUTSIDE WILL REMAIN CORRECT.
IT LOOKS ARCHED FROM THE OUTSIDE.
YEAH. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE FROM THE INSIDE, THAT'S THE ACTUALLY THE WINDOW.
OKAY. OKAY. YOU DO HAVE SOME STUFF ON THE OUTSIDE, WHICH WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE THAT.
OKAY. OKAY. THE IDEA TRUST ME, WE LOVE THIS BUILDING.
WE MOVED INTO IT BECAUSE WE LOVE IT.
WE DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE ESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING.
OKAY. AND THESE ARE VINYL WINDOWS? YES, SIR. YES, MA'AM.
AND BY ALL APPEARANCE SAKE, THEY LOOK IDENTICAL TO THIS.
YES, MA'AM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIS PICTURE HERE, THIS IS WHAT THE WINDOW LOOKS LIKE TODAY, RIGHT? OKAY. FROM THE INTERIOR.
IF YOU OPEN IT UP ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE WHAT'S BEING REPLACED.
THIS IS THE MANUFACTURER'S RENDERING OF THE NEW WINDOW.
OKAY. THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S A THREE BY THREE, THREE BY TWO GRID.
AND WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH THE SAME THING.
LIKE I SAID, TRUST ME, IT'S EXTRA COST.
BUT I WANTED NOT ONLY THE GRIDS TO BE THE SAME, I ALSO WANTED THE THICKNESS TO BE THE SAME SO THAT IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE WINDOWS SIDE BY SIDE, THEY WOULD LOOK THE SAME.
I DON'T WANT TO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE ESTHETICS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT, LIKE I SAID, SAFE.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, HAD YOU TRIED REGLAZING THE WINDOWS? THEY'VE BEEN REGLAZED MANY TIMES.
OKAY. IT'S BEEN REGLAZED MULTIPLE TIMES.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE STREET.
I'M SORRY. YOU'VE SHOWN AND I'M SORRY.
THIS IS ON ME. I'VE DRIVEN PAST YOUR PROPERTY AND I RAN OUT OF TIME.
AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T DO THAT.
BUT YOU'VE NUMBERED ONE THROUGH FIVE.
BUT ARE THERE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS JUST THE SAME DOWN THAT ALLEY FROM OTHER RESIDENTS? NO. MATCH THESE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
OH, ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE ALLEY.
OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THE OUTER CORNER.
THE PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE HAVE TWO WINDOWS FARTHER DOWN.
AND THEN I GUESS THERE WOULD BE A SIX AND A SEVEN DOWN THERE.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHY YOU COULDN'T USE WOOD?
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WHY WE COULDN'T. IT'S A HURRICANE WINDOW.YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE YOU CAN'T USE WOOD FOR A HURRICANE WINDOW.
HURRICANE RESISTANT. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE THE WINDSTORM FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES? NO. WELL, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE THING.
I WAS TOLD THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN GET AROUND BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC PROPERTY.
I WANT THE SAFEST THING POSSIBLE TO PUT INTO THESE WINDOWS.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE I DON'T WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, ISN'T GOING TO GIVE ME THAT WPA, MAKE IT PERFECTLY SAFE AND COMFORTABLE SPACE TO LIVE IN.
UNDERSTAND? HOW TALL ARE THESE WINDOWS? THE THEY'RE TEN FEET, BUT THEY COME IN TWO SECTIONS.
MS. OKAY. TWO, FIVE FOOT SECTIONS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S AGAINST ONE WALL.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER WALL THERE'S A TEN FOOT AND AN EIGHT FOOT.
OKAY. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGNIFICANT SPACE, HUH? SIGNIFICANT SIZE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY DON'T MAKE THEM THAT BIG, SO THEY HAD TO MAKE THEM IN TWO PIECES.
OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
JUST A REFERENCE. AT LEAST YOU START ON TIME.
I CAN NEVER GO TO A MOVIE THEATER.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE? LAURA. I'LL JUST GENERAL COMMENT ON WINDOW REPLACEMENT.
BUT BEFORE YOU START, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE YOU KNOW, THE DRILL? YES. LAURA BOURGEOIS WITH GALVESTON HISTORICAL FOUNDATION.
SO WITH WINDOW REPLACEMENT, YOU STILL CAN GET WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE HURRICANE RATED.
YOU COULD EVEN RETROFIT HISTORIC WINDOWS TO ADD HURRICANE GLASS.
YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO MODIFY THE WEIGHT ON YOUR WINDOWS WITH WINDOWS IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT.
SECOND, VINYL IS PROBABLY THE WORST KIND OF REPLACEMENT.
THEY HAVE THE LOWEST LIFETIME IN TERMS OF REPLACEMENT MATERIAL.
I BELIEVE ANDERSON HAS ALUMINUM WINDOWS THAT ARE WOOD CLADDED.
THEY ALSO HAVE WOOD WINDOWS AND THEIR HERITAGE LINE, THAT'S ALUMINUM CLOUDED ON THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEIR WOOD IS NOT RATED FOR EXTERIOR. AND SO IF YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO REPLACE WOOD WINDOW WITH ANOTHER MATERIAL, THAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL CHOICE AS OPPOSED TO VINYL.
IT DOES NOT HAVE THE DEPTH OR THE WIDTH THAT YOU SEE IN WOOD WINDOWS.
AND WHILE YOU MIGHT SAY, OH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR ON AN ALLEY, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING UP RIGHT NOW, YOU SEE THAT GRID AND YOU SEE THAT SHADOW.
YOU LOSE THAT, YOU WILL JUST SEE A FLAT PIECE OF VINYL STUCK TO THAT WINDOW PANE.
THAT WINDOW PANE ON THE ALLEY SIDE, THE PICTURES HE PROVIDED LOOK LIKE TO BE THE EAST SIDE WINDOWS, NOT THE NORTH SIDE WINDOWS, WHICH THOSE LOOK LIKE.
THEY ARE FLAT BECAUSE THEY LEAD TO THEY'RE TERRACE OR WHATEVER.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENED IS THAT OVER TIME, THE WEATHER STRIPPING ON THOSE SASHES HAVE GONE OFF OR THEY'VE REPLACED SOME OF THE SASHES AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT CLOSING CORRECTLY.
WELL, THEY ALSO APPEAR TO BE VERY DELICATE MUTTONS AND MULLIONS ON THOSE ONES.
YES. WHICH IS GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO MATCH FOR THE VINYL, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE TO DO IT WITH SEVERAL PIECES AS OPPOSED TO A FULL, YOU KNOW, FIVE FOOT SASH.
IF IT NEEDS TO BE TWO SASHES PER SASH, THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE MULLION SIZE AND THE VISUAL OF THAT WINDOW. OKAY.
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THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAURA? NO. OKAY.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. OKAY.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS CASE.
I'M SORRY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT 23LC014 IS DENIED BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE STUDENT NONCOMPLIANCE. NONCONFORMANCE.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I CAN TOTALLY APPRECIATE THIS PROPERTY OWNERS PREDICAMENT.
I WAS IN THAT SAME PREDICAMENT AND I HAD A VERY LARGE BAY WINDOW IN MY RESIDENCE THAT HAS EIGHT CASEMENTS, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, 1887 CASEMENTS AND A WHOLE ROW OF LOWER WINDOWS AS WELL, AND FOUND A GUY LOCALLY THAT RECREATED THE WINDOWS, REBUILT THEM, BUT MADE THEM A LITTLE DEEPER AND WE PUT IN HIGH IMPACT GLASS.
YOU'RE NOT BREAKING THAT GLASS WITH A HAMMER.
THE ONLY WAY THAT WINDOW IS COMING OPEN, IF SOMEBODY COMES AFTER IT WITH A PRY BAR AND IT'S GOT SEVERAL SLIDE BOLTS ON THE INSIDE, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. YOU KNOW, I FELT THE SAME LIKE, OH MY GOD, THESE HUGE THESE ARE THREE BY FOUR FOOT CASEMENTS AND THERE ARE FOUR OF THEM.
AND IT WOULD BUST OPEN THE WHOLE ROOM.
AND THEY WERE FLIMSY AND THEY WERE ROTTED AND SO FORTH AND SO ON AND SO THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES.
AND THEN THERE ARE SEVERAL AUTHORS, JOHN LEAKS.
I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT JOHN LEAKS, AMERICA'S WINDOWS.
HE'S INCREDIBLE ABOUT HOW TO INSULATE THESE WINDOWS.
BUT YOU MAY LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE I DID AND AS AN OPTION.
OKAY. ARE WE READY? DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? NO. ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR? DO WE NEED THE MOTION WE MADE? YEAH. IN FAVOR, DIDN'T YOU? SECOND THE MOTION. SECONDED.
THE MOTION? YES. I'M IN FAVOR.
OKAY. IS ANYONE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO CASE 23, DASH 016 1320 CHURCH AVENUE.
THERE WERE SEVEN PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, ONE RETURNED, AND THAT ONE IN FAVOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO ADD A 330 SQUARE FOOT APPROXIMATELY DECK IN TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, OF WHICH 270 SQUARE FOOT WOULD BE COVERED WITH AN OVERHEAD TRELLIS OR PERGOLA AS SHOWN ON THE STAFF REPORT.
THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WE MADE COMPLETELY OF WOOD.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING A REAR AND SIDE YARD FENCE OF AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN.
SEE ALSO THE STAFF REPORT IN ATTACHMENT A, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED KIND OF A SAMPLE PHOTO.
PLEASE NOTE ALSO THE COMPLETE SCOPE OF WORK AND MATERIALS.
ALL OF WOOD AND THE STAFF REPORT.
THE EXISTING HOUSE IS WOOD FRAME WITH WOOD LAP SIDING COMPOSITION ROOF.
PLEASE NOTE ALSO THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE MODIFICATIONS ARE NOT EASILY VISIBLE FOR ANY RIGHT OF WAY IN LOCATION D NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FACADE, WHERE OF COURSE MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S SOMEWHAT A LITTLE BIT DOWN ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT NOT VERY MUCH.
AND BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS MID-BLOCK, THAT KIND OF SCREENS IT AS WELL.
IT'S QUITE A BIT LOWER AS THE DRAWINGS SHOW IN THE STAFF REPORT.
OUR STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE FENCE DESIGN.
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AND FOR THAT AND FOR THAT REASON, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE FENCE DESIGN BE OMITTED FOR THE TYPICAL DESIGN WITH THE MAXIMUM SIX FOOT HEIGHT PRIVACY WITH TWO FOOT OF WOOD LATTICE ON TOP.STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
ONE AND STANDARD CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX OF OUR STAFF REPORT.
IT'S JUST LIKE ONE HOUSE OVER.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND HERE WE HAVE A OVERLAY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND HERE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MRS. BUTLER IS HERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? YES. REBECCA BUTLER I GO BY BECKY 1320 CHURCH STREET, AND THERE'S A PAPER FOR YOU TO SIGN IN ON.
PERFECT. SO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT.
OKAY. SO I WATCHED THE GRANDKIDS THIS WEEKEND, SO I'M A LITTLE TIRED.
AND YOU'RE SPEAKING A LITTLE FAST.
SO WAS THERE ANYTHING IN IN MY PROPOSAL THAT WAS REJECTED OR SOMETHING ELSE WAS RECOMMENDED? YES, BECAUSE THE FENCE.
SO THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ALLOW A SIX FOOT FENCE WITH UP TO TWO FEET OF LATTICE FRAMED LATTICE.
UM, I HAVE DRIVEN AROUND THE DISTRICT AND TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO ON THE HOME TOURS TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE AND KIND OF LEARN AND EDUCATE MYSELF ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE HOUSES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS HE LAUGHED AT ME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE, YOU'RE QUOTING FROM THAT ARCHITECTURE BOOK, AREN'T YOU? IS OUR STREET IS THE DIP IN THE SOCIO ECONOMIC CLASS.
AND THE HOMES ON THE STREET ARE VERY SIMPLE HOUSES FROM THE BLOCKS AROUND US.
THEY'RE VERY LIMITED IN ORNAMENTATION, DECORATION.
AND MY CONCERN, IF YOU LOOK AT MY HOUSE, CAN I KIND OF GIVE LIKE A TWO MINUTE THING OF MY HOUSE? SO AT SOME POINT THE CEMENT MAFIA OR SOMETHING CAME THROUGH MY SIDE OF THE BLOCK AND MY INTENTION IS TO REMOVE A THIRD OF THE DRIVEWAY. I HAVE A THREE CAR DRIVEWAY THEY FILLED IN FRONT OF THE PICKET FENCE IS TO REMOVE ALL OF THAT, PULL THE PICKET FENCE ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THAT ANYMORE.
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A FRONT YARD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR RAILINGS ARE VERY SIMPLE.
IF YOU'VE SEEN THE HOUSES NEXT TO ME, THEY'RE VERY SIMPLE.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO WITH 1320 CHURCH STREET IS BRING IT BACK TO WHERE THE HOUSE IS.
NOW, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM NEIGHBORS THERE USED TO BE ANOTHER BUILDING ON THAT LOT THAT WAS BOUGHT AND MOVED AND THAT BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WHY DOES THIS SIMPLE COTTAGE HAVE SO MUCH LAND? WHY IS IT A LOT IN 17FT? OH, THERE IS ANOTHER BUILDING THERE.
IT WAS BOUGHT AND SOLD AND MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THAT'S ON THE LIST OF FINDING OUT WHERE THAT PUPPY IS.
SO THE FENCE, THE WOODEN FENCE IS NOT ONLY GOING TO GO AROUND THE ALLEY AND ALONG THE SIDES, BUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THAT VERY TALL PICKET THAT IS ACTUALLY A GATEWAY.
AND THEY POURED CONCRETE ALONG THAT WHOLE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
OKAY. SO IMAGINE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE GATES INTO THE PARKING AREA.
YOU PULL IN, THE WOODEN FENCE IS GOING TO COME IN ACROSS TO THE BACK CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO COME UP TO THE FRONT CORNER.
I'M HOPING TO PUT WROUGHT IRON IN THERE, JUST A SIMPLE WROUGHT IRON.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE STREET, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT WOODEN FENCE.
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I THINK THAT LATTICE ALTHOUGH LOVELY AND I'VE SEEN SOME LATTICE GREAT SOME LATTICE NOT SO GREAT WOULD BE THE MOST ORNAMENTAL THING ON THAT STREET. AND IF ALL OF US ON THAT STREET START PUTTING IN LATTICE WHEN OUR HOMES ARE SO SIMPLE TO BEGIN WITH.AND I REALLY WANT THE FOCUS TO BE THE HOUSE ON THE LOT.
AND I'M WORRIED BY PUTTING SOMETHING THAT'S SO ORNAMENTAL AGAINST SOMETHING SO SIMPLE THAT ONCE AGAIN, I'M GOING TO HAVE THE ISSUE WHERE THE EYE IS GOING TO GO THIS WAY INSTEAD OF TO THE COTTAGE, SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 15FT OF FENCE THAT YOU'LL SEE THROUGH THE WROUGHT IRON GATES.
AND SO IF YOU'RE STAYING IN THE STREET AND LOOKING, YOU'VE GOT YOUR HOUSE, YOU'VE GOT YOUR WROUGHT IRON, YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THAT FENCE WITH LATTICE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, I CAN ACCOMMODATE LATTICE ON THE SIDES IN THE BACK AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL.
ANOTHER THING TOO IS I AM AN ALLEY NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
YOU CAN SEE THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
AND LATTICE DOES NOT GIVE THE PRIVACY EITHER.
SO IT'S MY FIRST IS ARCHITECTURAL AND MY SECOND IS I DRIVE AROUND THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE LATTICE AND THEY'RE A LITTLE GRANDER, THEY'RE BIGGER, BUT YOU CAN REALLY SEE THROUGH THEM AND I HAVE GOT TO PULL THAT'S PART WAY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND MY CONCERN IS LIKE, NOW WE HAVE I WANT AS MUCH SECURITY AS POSSIBLE TO PROTECT.
MY PROPERTY THAT OH, GLADYS, I CAN SEE WATER SHIMMERING, BUT THE MAIN THING IS 15FT OF THAT FENCE FACING THE STREET.
AND SO I WOULD REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE AND MAYBE EVEN CONSIDER A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
BLOCK THE HOUSES ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET, MOST OF US OWNERS ARE IN OUR 60S, 70S AND 80S, AND I DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING TO THEM.
I DON'T SEE ANY FENCES BEING REDONE ANYTIME SOON.
SO I WOULD BE THE FIRST ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AND LIKE A DECADE TO BE PUTTING A FENCE IN.
FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, I KNOW MARY AND CHARLIE PUT IN A FENCE ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO THERE, THE NEIGHBORS, THE PEACH HOUSE, AND THEY PUT IN A BACK SLIDING GATE TO THEIR ALLEY, WHICH IS STRAIGHT, NOT LATTICED.
THE HOUSE DIAGONAL BEHIND ME HAS LATTICE AND IT IS A NOT LOVED BUT AN AMAZING VICTORIAN.
AND ON THAT HOUSE WHEN YOU'RE GOING WELL I'M LOOKING AT THE HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S EVERYTHING ALL THIS AMAZING ORNAMENTATION BUT AGAIN COTTAGE SIMPLE COTTAGE AND I'M JUST SAYING COTTAGES NEED TO BE ON THE HISTORICAL HOME TOURS, NOT JUST THE BIG THE FANCY ONES BECAUSE THEY'RE SO COOL.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE OTHER PEOPLE LEFT, BUT I'VE USED GALVESTON WOODEN WINDOWS.
JOHN SHARON AND OVER THE LAST YEAR HE'S DONE EVERY WINDOW IN MY HOUSE.
THEY'RE ALL WOOD. HE'S JUST RE RE FIX THEM, TAKE THEM APART, PUT THEM BACK TOGETHER.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST ADDRESSING THE BACK.
AND IT STARTED. THE STRUCTURE STARTED AS I NEED A HANDICAP LIFT, I JUST CAN'T DO STAIRS.
AND THEN THE STAIRS IN THE FRONT.
THE REBAR IS SPALLING AND THE CONCRETE IS COMING OFF IN CHUNKS UNDER THE BOTTOM OF THE STAIRS.
SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE NEED TO DO STAIRS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
WE'RE LIKE, WHERE CAN WE PUT A LIFT? THERE IS NO PLACE TO PUT A LIFT ON THAT HOUSE WITHOUT AFFECTING THE CUTTING INTO THE HOUSE ITSELF FOR ACCESS THE BACK PORCH.
IF IT WENT THERE, IT WOULD BLOCK THE ONLY ACCESS UNDER THE HOUSE FROM THE BACK YARD.
AND SO WE SAID, OKAY, WE'LL BRING THE PORCH OUT.
AND WE SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SHADE IN THE BACK YARD AFTER THE LAST TWO FREEZES.
THEN THE DECK LOOKS STUPID BECAUSE IT'S A PERSONAL LIFT.
I DIDN'T GO THE INEXPENSIVE WAY WITH THE CARGO LIFT.
I HAVE GRANDKIDS, SO IT'S GOING TO BE BIG.
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14TH STREET. YOU WON'T SEE THAT BIG LIFT THAT THE DECK WILL KIND OF CONCEAL THAT.WE MADE GREAT EFFORT TO KEEP ALL OF THE STRUCTURES SEPARATE FROM THE HOUSE.
WE MADE SURE THAT EVERYTHING ON THE STRUCTURES IS THE SAME SIZE OR SMALLER IN SCALE THAN WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE, LIKE THE FOUR YEAR OLD AND A ONE YEAR OLD FOR TWO DAYS.
THE THE WOOD THAT WE'VE MADE THAT EVERYTHING ON THAT, ON THAT.
SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO BE VERY RESPECTFUL TO THE SIMPLICITY OF THE COTTAGE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE COTTAGE.
I ASKED HIM, ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO SELL THIS? BECAUSE THEY SHOWED ME PICTURES WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT.
THEY SAID THAT TEN YEARS PRIOR TO MY BUYING IT, WHICH WILL BE THREE YEARS THIS YEAR.
THEY SAID I WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED IT.
THEY HAD LOWERED THE CEILINGS IN THE WHOLE HOUSE.
THEY HAD WALLPAPER FALLING DOWN.
BOB AND VICKY PUT THEIR HEART, BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS IN IT, AND THEY'RE ON TO ANOTHER PROJECT.
BUT IT'S JUST MY ENTIRE FAMILY ADORES IT.
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN, SIX SISTERS, A BROTHER.
I HAVE TWO SISTERS WHO LIVE DOWN HERE.
I HAVE A COUSIN WHO LIVES DOWN HERE.
AND IT'S GOTTEN TO BE THE GATHERING PLACE BECAUSE I HAVE THAT OVERSIZE YARD.
WE SURE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS PROPERTY AND LOVING IT THE WAY YOU ARE BRINGING IT BACK TO ITS.
I LOVE IT. MY BANK ACCOUNT IS GOING OH OH, OH.
BUT LIKE JOHN DID A BEAUTIFUL JOB ON THE WINDOWS.
CERTAPRO DID A GORGEOUS JOB PAINTING IT.
AND AS SOON AS I REMOVE ALL THAT CONCRETE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS COMING ALONG NICELY.
SO THAT'S THE. REASON FOR THE THE WOODEN FENCE IS BECAUSE IT COMES ACROSS THE FRONT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? NO. OKAY.
DOES ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS CASE? NO. OKAY.
MAYBE I'D LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS.
GIVE YOU A SECOND TO KIND OF REVIEW AND.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON CASE 20 2-016.
MM. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WITH CHANGES ON 230316.
I CAN APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS CONCERNS ABOUT WANTING.
I'M SORRY, I NEGLECTED TO PUSH THE BUTTON.
OKAY, SO A MOTION FOR 23LC016.
I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PROPOSAL GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE REQUIREMENTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FENCE, THE MODIFIED RATHER THAN LATTICE THE PICKET TYPE TOPPING ON THE FENCE, WHICH I FIND TO BE RATHER SIMPLE AND FOLKY AND PERHAPS AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S.
SUBMISSION FOR THE FENCE MODIFIED AS SHOWN IN THE ATTACHMENT.
OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. DISCUSSION.
MY ONLY. MY ONLY CONCERN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW PRETTY THAT FENCE IS.
IT'S VERY PRETTY. I'D LOVE TO HAVE IT FOR MYSELF, ACTUALLY.
BUT WE HAVE A STANDARD THAT APPLIES TO ALL.
AND THE MINUTE WE START CHANGING THOSE STANDARDS AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME IN WITH THEIR PRETTY FENCE, THAT MAY NOT LOOK AS PRETTY AS THIS, BUT THEY'LL SAY SHE GOT TO CHANGE HERS. THE STANDARDS ARE WRITTEN ON A NATIONAL SCALE AND ADAPTED TO US LOCALLY.
WE TRY NOT TO SAY THIS IS THE WORKING CLASS SIDE AND THIS IS THE EXPENSIVE SIDE.
WE'RE ALL KIND OF THE SAME HERE.
SO I HAVE I STRUGGLE WITH WITH THAT SCOPE OF IT THAT WE ARE THAT WE ARE OPENING, WE ARE OPENING A DOOR THAT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO THEN REIN IN.
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I UNDERSTAND.CLOSE BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THIS EXCEPTION.
I DON'T THINK THAT LATTICE LOOKS FANCY.
I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE LATTICE, BUT DO WE ACTUALLY, I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS SAID.
IF YOU WANT TO GO BEYOND SIX FEET, YOU USE THE LATTICE, TWO FOOT OF LATTICE.
YOU CAN FRAME IT OUT AND MAKE IT LOOK REALLY PRETTY.
YOU CAN SIMPLIFY IT, BUT DO THE NATIONAL STANDARDS ACTUALLY SPECIFY LATTICE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE JUST KIND OF PIONEERED? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR KATHY.
YEAH, IT'S IN OUR LOCAL DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE NATIONAL STANDARDS DON'T GET THAT FINE GRAINED.
SO IS LATTICE DEFINED AS SOMETHING THAT'S A..
LATTICE. NO, WE WENT THROUGH THAT.
REMEMBER THAT TUNNEL DEFINING WHAT LATTICE IS? YEAH, WE DID. IT ACTUALLY IS DEFINED BY WOODEN AND A AND A DIAMOND SHAPE, RIGHT? YES, WE DID. YEAH.
RIGHT. AND SO WHILE I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH OUR APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO WANT TO DO THAT FOR ITS SIMPLICITY AND SO FORTH, AND YOU CAN'T GET OPEN AND CLOSED LATTICE SO YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY GET A CLOSER LATTICE WHICH WOULD GIVE YOU MORE PRIVACY.
BUT TO KIND OF STEP BACK FROM THE HOUSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE, THE STANDARDS ARE THERE FOR THAT EXACT SAME REASON THAT WE KEEP CONTINUITY WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T DO STYLISH SHUTTERS.
WE HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT ALL ARE APPROPRIATE AND ARE IN CONFORMANCE.
AND THE REASON THAT THEY DO IS BECAUSE THEY SET CONTINUITY IN THE DISTRICT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? NO, I AGREE. I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CONDITION B.
HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED? THE EXISTING FRONT PORCH AND STAIR HANDRAILS WILL BE MODIFIED TO CONFORM WITH EXHIBIT C? THAT'S NOT IN HER MOTION.
SO HER MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THIS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALLOWING THE FENCE.
THERE IS A SECOND ON THAT MOTION.
SO UNLESS YOU'RE OUT, YOU CAN ASK HER TO MODIFY THE MOTION.
BUT AT THIS POINT THERE IS A MOTION.
SO WE WOULD JUST STRIKE A AND KEEP B.
I WOULD HAVE TO OPEN IT BACK UP AGAIN.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION AFTER REALLY CONSIDERING YOUR GUIDANCE.
AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE LOCAL GUIDELINES.
SORRY. SARAH, MY VICE CHAIR OVER HERE.
ARE WE NOW? BECAUSE WE HAVE A MOTION.
SHE WAS BRINGING UP AN ISSUE THAT WASN'T PART OF THE MOTION.
AND SO WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO WE NOW BACK TO STARTING WITH A NEW MOTION.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER A MOTION ON THIS CASE.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? SHARON. REGARDING 23 016.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE.
APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, APPROVE THE CASE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY.
OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I JUST NEED TO USE LATTICE ON THE FENCE? YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM.
IT'S HARD TO CATCH EVERYBODY THAT'S A NONCOMPLIANCE.
A LOT OF STUFF WAS DONE WAY BEFORE IT WAS AN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SOME THINGS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT AND PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING LIKE.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY IN THE DISTRICT.
I'M ENJOYING SEEING THE CHANGES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? NO. SEEING NONE.
THIS IS ADJOURNED. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.