OKAY. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING. [00:00:03] TODAY IS MONDAY, APRIL 17TH, 2023, AND THE TIME IS 4:00. WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL. GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER ALBERSTADT, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BAKER, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BOURGEOIS ALTERNATE, PRESENT. VICE CHAIRPERSON CLICK, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER FLINT-BUDDE, PRESENT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ALTERNATE, PRESENT. CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON, PRESENT. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON AND COMMISSIONER SWANSON ABSENT TODAY. COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS, PRESENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH OUR CASES OR ANY OF THE CASES TODAY? NO. SEEING NONE. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? DO YOU FIND THAT THERE ARE ANY CHANGES OR REMARKS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO. OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. WE ARE GOING TO GO ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANY [INAUDIBLE] PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS. OUR FIRST CASE AND OUR ONLY CASE IS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IS CASE 23LC-012, 1202 POST OFFICE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUS APPROVAL, WHICH WAS CASE NUMBER 22LC-033. EIGHT NOTICES WERE SENT. ONE RETURNED THAT ONE IN FAVOR. ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2022, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALTERATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF A ROOFTOP ADDITION UNDER CASE NUMBER 22LC-033. THE STAFF REPORT AND THE ACTION LETTER WERE INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT A IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THE SUMMARY. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS TO A PREVIOUS APPROVAL. ROOF MATERIALS. ROOF MATERIAL FROM GALVALUME EMBOSSED METAL SHINGLES TO METAL STANDING SEAM AND WINDOW MATERIAL FROM WOOD TO ALUMINUM FOR THE 15 NEW WINDOWS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THE 3 NEW WINDOWS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET WILL REMAIN WOOD AS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. CONFORMANCE. THE SUBJECT WINDOWS ARE LOCATED IN LOCATION D NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE. IN THIS LOCATION, MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED ESPECIALLY FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATION THAT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THE SUBJECT WINDOWS AND LOCATION AND LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THEREFORE, STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUEST CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS. THE DESIGN STANDARDS INDICATE THAT STANDING SEAM METAL ROOFING IS AN APPROPRIATE MATERIAL. STAFF RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATION SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN, MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT PRESENTED IN EXHIBIT B OF THE STAFF REPORT. ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE DRAWINGS SHOWING THE PROPOSED ADDITION THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH. WELL, NO, THEY'RE THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST, SOUTH AND WEST. AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CATHERINE, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS CASE? SEEING NONE. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. MCMORRIS WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SIGN IN, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE AS WE GET INTO IT, WE FIND THAT IN PUTTING 21 NEW WINDOWS ON THE PLACE, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET LIKE 15 OF THEM. AND WE WERE HOPING ALL WOULD GO ALONG WITH MAKING THESE VINYL THAT LOOKS LIKE WOOD, BUT INSTEAD OF WOOD, THE 6 WINDOWS THAT FACE THE STREET. AND THIS IS PROBABLY AN OLDER DRAWING. YEAH, YEAH, THERE'S 3 ON THE BOTTOM AT THE PORCH LEVEL AND THEN THERE'S 3 ON THE TOP. SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 6 WINDOWS THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO BE WOOD WINDOWS AND THERE ARE QUITE A BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE VINYL WINDOWS THAT WOULD WRAP AROUND THE [00:05:05] SIDE AND REAR OF THE PROPERTY. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU ALL TO APPROVE THE USE OF VINYL WINDOWS INSTEAD OF WOOD WINDOWS. SAVES US ABOUT $13,000, I THINK, IN COST FOR THAT FEATURE. THE OTHER PART OF THE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THE WE ORIGINALLY EXPECT A METAL ROOF THAT'S BUILT. BOB CAN GET IN MORE A LOT MORE DETAIL ABOUT IT, BUT IT WOULD NOT WORK WITH THE SLOPES OF THE ADDITION THAT WE HAVE ON THE ON THE ROOF. AND SO WE'VE ASKED TO GO WITH A MORE STANDING SEAM TYPE METAL ROOF THAT AGAIN I THINK WILL BE VERY ATTRACTIVE. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ASK BOB TO COME UP AND GET INTO ALL THE DETAILS THAT HE'S GOTTEN INTO ON THIS AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ON THAT. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. I HATE TO MAKE YOU ALL COME DOWN HERE FOR JUST ONE LITTLE CASE, BUT I GUESS THAT'S THE JOB. SO RALPH KIND OF SAID IT ALL, I GUESS JUST TO EXPLAIN THE THING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE TWO REQUESTS. THE ROOF WAS ORIGINALLY A METAL SHINGLE ROOF, AND THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON THE DEGREE OF SLOPE THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON A METAL SHINGLE ROOF. AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THE REMODELING WELL, THE MAIN POINT OF THE REMODELING WAS TO REPLACE THE ROOF AND GET ONE THAT DOESN'T LEAK. BUT THE OTHER POINT WAS TO BE ABLE TO OCCUPY THE SPACE UNDER THE ROOF. AND TO DO THAT, WE MADE THE ROOF HAVE MORE SPACE UNDER THE ROOF BY GIVING IT A 1 AND 12 PITCH. AND WHEN HE DID THAT, THAT YOU DON'T GET A WARRANTY ON ON METAL SHINGLES. HOWEVER, YOU CAN GET A WARRANTY ON THE STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, WHICH IS STILL PRETTY COMMON DOWN ON THE EAST END. THIS IS SIMPLY A METAL ROOF WITH THESE SEAMS ABOUT EVERY 18IN THAT FOLD OVER AND IT'S PRETTY COMMON. SO AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE SHINGLES, BUT IT STILL LOOKS PRETTY NICE. AND THE OTHER THING. COULD YOU GO TO THAT OTHER DRAWING, WHICH IS A MORE RECENT DRAWING. I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE THE OLD ONE SORRY. OH, OKAY. WELL, THE OTHER OTHER THE OTHER PARTS OF THE ADDITION. WELL, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO PARTS OF THE ADDITION RIGHT THERE, THE DORMER AND THEN THE ROOFTOP ADDITION RIGHT THERE. THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE THE WOOD WINDOWS THAT ARE DOUBLE HUNG. AND AND THEN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE ADDITION ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE ON THE ROOF. SO THEY'RE ALREADY ABOUT 25 OR 30FT IN THE AIR AND THEY'RE FACING THE ROOF. SO THE ROOF, THE FLAT ROOF OF THE FACTORY. SO AND THEY'RE AWAY FROM THE STREET. THERE'S NO WAY ANYBODY COULD SEE THEM POSSIBLY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT AND THE VINYL WINDOWS, WE FOUND OUT ARE ABOUT ALMOST BY A FACTOR OF TEN TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH WAS SPECIFIED IN THE NARRATIVE THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO UNTIL WE FOUND OUT WHAT THEY COST. SO ANYWAY, SO THOSE 6 WINDOWS, IT SAYS IT'S GOT 4 RIGHT THERE. I KNOW. BUT WHEN WE DID THE DETAILING OF IT, IT TURNED OUT TO BE 3 WINDOWS, SO THERE'D BE 6 WINDOWS THERE ON THE SOUTH FACING SIDE WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY THEY'D ALL BE WOOD, DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS. AND THEN THE OTHER 15, WHICH YOU CAN'T SEE FROM ANYWHERE. WE'RE ASKING THOSE TO BE VINYL WINDOWS RATHER THAN THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS. THAT WAS SPECIFIC IN THE NARRATIVE, I THINK IT WAS. AND THEY WOULD ALL STILL BE THE SAME SIZES THAT YOU SEE IN THE DRAWING THAT WAS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, I BELIEVE. SO THERE WOULD BE THE SAME PROPORTIONS OF THE WINDOWS THAT ARE EXISTING AND ALL THE WINDOWS WOULD BE TRIMMED OUT AND WOOD, THEY'D BE CASED IN WOOD, YOU KNOW, TO MATCH THE EXISTING WINDOWS BECAUSE THEY DON'T COME WITH CASING. SO THEY STILL MATCH THE PROPORTIONS AND THE WOOD CASING THAT'S ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S OUR REQUEST. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO IN OUR SUMMARY HERE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. IT SAYS ALUMINUM AND YOU ARE NOW GOING TO VINYL AND STAFF WAS MADE AWARE OF THAT CITY, IS AWARE OF THAT, OR DO WE NEED TO PUT THAT AS AN ADDENDUM IN THE MOTION? I WOULD PROBABLY PUT THAT AS AN ADDENDUM IN THE MOTION, I THINK RIGHT, CATHERINE . RIGHT. YEAH. SO IT'S IN THE NARRATIVE, AS THE CHAIRPERSON SAYS, IS ALUMINUM. SO THE REQUEST HAS CHANGED THEN WE'LL NEED TO. THAT'S WHY I WAS BRINGING THAT UP. YEAH. OKAY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE REQUEST IS FOR VINYL RATHER THAN ALUMINUM. RIGHT? RIGHT. I JUST IF WE MAKE A MOTION TO ALLOW THE VINYL FROM ALUMINUM, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S. THAT'S CLEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. ANYBODY ELSE? [00:10:05] SO IF STAFF WAS OKAY WITH METAL, WE'LL BE OKAY WITH VINYL. CATHERINE QUICK QUESTION. MAYBE I JUST DON'T SEE IT, BUT IT SAYS THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL IS EXHIBIT B, IS IT IS IT IN HERE OR IS IT JUST THE NARRATIVE? RIGHT. YEAH, IT STARTS WITH THIS. OKAY. OKAY. OH, I SEE. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG DATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, FOR THE ROOF. SO WE HAVE THIS BROCHURE IN HERE ABOUT THE CLASSIC SHINGLES. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING USED. NO, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION BACK IN SEPTEMBER. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO USE. AND THAT'S THE ROOF THAT DOES NOT WARRANTY A 1 INCH 12 PITCH. SO THAT'S WHY WE MOVED ON TO THE STANDING SEAM ROOF. SO NOW IT'LL JUST BE LIKE A STANDARD METAL ROOF YOU SEE. A STANDARD STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF, YOU KNOW, WITH A SEAM ABOUT EVERY 18IN OR SO. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION IS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION IS ATTACHED HERE. SO. RIGHT. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE, SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. [INAUDIBLE] I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR 23LC-012 WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS , AND THE REVISION THAT YOU POINTED OUT TO BE VINYL RATHER THAN ALUMINUM AS THE ALTERNATE MATERIAL. OKAY. SO WHAT YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE IT AND UNDER THE MOTION 1A WITH VINYL WINDOWS. YES. OKAY. SARAH SECONDED. DISCUSSION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS, DISCUSSION THEY WANT TO HAVE WITH US? OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? ALL IN FAVOR. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE'LL EVENTUALLY BUILD IT. SO AND WE'RE ALL COMING OVER FOR TEA ON THAT ROOFTOP. OKAY. DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSION TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES STAFF. SO THERE IS A TRAINING OPPORTUNITY THAT'S BEING HELD BY THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS. THAT'S THE NATIONWIDE UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION FOR PRESERVATION COMMISSION. SO THE GROUPS THAT DO THE KIND OF WORK THAT YOU ALL DO, IT IS A SHORT COURSE. SO IT'S OVER TWO DAYS, AUGUST 23RD AND 24TH. THEY DON'T HAVE THE SCHEDULE PUBLISHED YET. IF YOU GOT THE EMAIL, THEN YOU CAN TAKE A SURVEY AND RANK WHAT YOU THINK ARE THE IMPORTANT TOPICS. I DID THAT. IT WAS FUN. AND WILL WILL THIS MEETING BE BY ZOOM? YES. IT'LL BE AN ELECTRONIC PRESENTATION FROM THE NAPC. SO WHAT I WAS WONDERING FROM THE COMMISSION AND WHY I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TODAY WAS DO WE WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN IT TOGETHER? WE COULD ALWAYS JUST DO IT INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WE COULD RESERVE A ROOM HERE AT CITY HALL AND PARTICIPATE IN IT TOGETHER SO THAT WE COULD DISCUSS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE MOTIVATING FOR US TO TAKE IT TOGETHER BECAUSE WHEN IT'S OVER, WE CAN KIND OF TOSS THE BALL AROUND OF WHAT WE THINK, PROVIDING WE DON'T HAVE A HURRICANE DURING THE TIME. SO DOES ANYBODY ELSE FEEL THE SAME WAY? I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT. OKAY. I'LL BE REMOTE AS WELL. BUT THAT'S I WOULD BE MUCH BETTER IF I COULD BE HERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS YES, I'LL GO AHEAD AND RESERVE A ROOM AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A NOTE. I'LL BRING IT AS A GOOD YES, I'LL BRING BACK GOODIES, KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY. WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SCHEDULE COMES OUT, THEN WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT HOW WE'LL STRUCTURE IT. OKAY. I'LL RESERVE A ROOM HERE AND IT'LL PROBABLY BE 100, WHICH IS DOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THEN WE'LL POST IT AS A WORKSHOP. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION NEXT MEETING? NO, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.