>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. [00:00:02] GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING. I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL OUR SPECIAL MEETING WORKSHOP TO ORDER FOR APRIL 14TH. IT IS 9:00 AM. GLAD TO HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. COUNCIL, NICE TO SEE YOU. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MORNING THIS MORNING AND EVERYONE THAT'S IN ATTENDANCE GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE THIS MORNING. GLAD TO SEE ALL THE SMILING FACES AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS ON THE TELECAST HERE, GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING. WE HAVE A QUORUM THAT NELLY, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL? >> YES. SURE. MAYOR BROWN. >> PRESENT? >> MAYOR [INAUDIBLE] COLLINS. >> PRESENT >> COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUSTER. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER, ROBB. >> HERE. >> WE HAVE ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME HOUSEKEEPING DIRECTIONS IF WE COULD COUNCIL THIS MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED, I'VE DONE A DIFFERENT APPROACH ON THIS WORKSHOP. WE HAVE AN ENDING TIME OF NOON ON THIS WORKSHOP. >> YOU MEAN IT THIS TIME? >> I DO MEAN IT [LAUGHTER] AND IT IS POSTED AS SUCH. AT NOON TODAY, WHEREVER WE ARE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AT THAT POINT, WE WILL TERMINATE OUR DISCUSSIONS. IF WE HAVE BUSINESS STILL TO PERFORM ON THESE TOPICS, THEN WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL SCHEDULE AND WHAT TALK ABOUT ANOTHER MEETING TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THESE VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT JANELLE IS OUT TODAY WHERE WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO HAVE NELLY WITH US TODAY. I WANT TO WISH NELLY A HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >> THANK YOU. >> [APPLAUSE] GOOD TO HAVE HER HERE AND IF YOU GET A CHANCE, COUNCIL GO BY HER OFFICE AND LOOK AT THE BEAUTIFUL GARDEN BIRTHDAY GIFTS SHE RECIVED THIS MORNING. ALSO COUNCIL WANTED TO MENTION THE MAJOR PORTION OF THIS WORKSHOP THIS MORNING IS GEARED TO COUNCIL'S DIRECTION AND THOUGHTS CONCERNING ANY OF THE TOPICS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE PARK BOARD. WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS MORNING IS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING THESE TOPICS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE GUIDANCE AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO STAFF AS THEY START THEIR NEGOTIATIONS IN THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT SO THAT STAFF HAS THE THOUGHTS OF COUNCIL AND HAS DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. AS THEY DISCUSSED THESE POINTS THAT ARE ON OUR AGENDA THIS MORNING, STAFF WILL HAVE THEIR MARCHING ORDERS, AS WE CALL IT, TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS BROUGHT FORWARD AND PUT INTO OUR INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. TO GET OUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON THIS COUNCIL WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO ON EACH ONE OF THESE TOPICS AS WE FINISH OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THEM, I'M GOING TO GO AROUND THE TABLE AND I'M GOING TO ASK EACH COUNCIL MEMBER TO GIVE US SUMMATION OF THEIR THOUGHTS ON THESE SUBJECTS SO WE CAN GET THOSE DOWN, MAKE SURE WE HAVE THOSE APPROPRIATELY. SAYING ALL THAT, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3(A) NELLY, PLEASE. [3.A. Discuss Issues At Sunny Beach And Directing Staff To Develop Alternative Approaches To Resolution Of Those Issues (Robb/Brown -15 Min)] >> YES, SIR. ITEM 3(A) DISCUSS ISSUES AT SUNNY BEACH IN DIRECTING STAFF TO DEVELOP ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES TO RESOLUTION OF THOSE ISSUES. >> COUNCILWOMAN ROBB. >> I WANTED TO PUT ADDED THIS TO THE AGENDA TODAY EVEN THOUGH THE MARRIAGE ISOTOPE ME OUT OF IT BUT THEN ON THE NEXT ONE, BECAUSE WE WILL BE BRINGING IN REVISE BEACH ACCESS PLAN THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE GLO AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. I KNOW WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SUNNY BEACH. WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE COMMENTS. WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF EMAILS AND SO FORTH REGARDING THE CHANGE IN THE PLANS TO TAKE THE CARS OFF THE BEACH AND PUT THE CARS IN OFF BEACH PARKING. MY GOAL WITH THE BEACH ACCESS PLAN IS ACTUALLY GET ALL VEHICULAR TRAFFIC OFF THE BEACH. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR BIRDS. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR TURTLES. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR DUNES. TAKING THIS TOPIC JUST TO SUNNY BEACH, I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH THE BEACH ACCESS AD HOC COMMITTEE IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THEY TALK ABOUT IS VEHICULAR ACCESS AND PARKING. A IS TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE FEASIBLE [00:05:06] TO RELOCATE BEACH VEHICLE ACCESS OFF WITH OFF BEACH PARKING. THE CITY AND THE COASTAL DIVISION IS LOOKING AT WHERE WE CAN DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE WESTERN BEACHES. THE GLOM REQUIREMENTS JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE. WE HAVE TO HAVE A BEACH ACCESS POINT EVERY HALF-MILE AND AT EVERY LINEAR FOOT BEACH FRONT FEE THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE PUBLIC PARKING SPOT. >> EVERY 15 FEET. >> EVERY 15. >> BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE 15 FOOTBALL CARDS. >> ESPECIALLY JOHN PAUL. >> BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMENTED ABOUT SUNNY BEACH OUTS AND FAMILY BEACH WHERE PEOPLE GATHER THAT THERE AREN'T ISSUES THERE. WHY I SAY IT'S THE OPPOSITE. ON ANY GIVEN WEEKEND FROM SPRING BREAK ON THAT PAGE GETS INUNDATED WITH VEHICLES. I'M GOING TO SHOW A LITTLE POWERPOINT AND PEOPLE WOULD BE EPSILON CHILDREN WATCHING. YOU MIGHT WANT TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE ROOM. SHOWING WHAT A GIVEN WEEKEND. AGAIN, OUR DUNES ARE PROTECTED. OUR DUNES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WALKED ON. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE CARS PARKED UP INTO THEM AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ATVS ON THEM. BUT THE DUNES AT THE BEACH, AND IT'S NOT ONLY ITS STUDY BEACH, WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUES THAT THE BANGOR BEACH ALL THE BEACHES WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE. FURTHER WEST, THEY ACTUALLY SET UP RV PARKS AND PARKED THERE, USE THE DUNES FOR THEIR BATHROOM AND THAT'S AN ISSUE. WE HAVE HAD IN THE LAST TWO YEARS CLOTHES OVER 800 POLICE CALLS FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS ON THIS BEACH. THERE HAS BEEN SHOOTINGS, THERE HAVE BEEN CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN RUN OVER BY A CAR. BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL SAY IT'S SO GOOD. YOU SEE 200 CARS, YOU HAVE A LITTLE STRIP OF BEACH, 200 CARS IS NOT A GOOD THING. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE AND THIS IS JUST IN ONE DAY, THERE WAS 180 PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WALK IN DUNES. IT'S A $500 FINE. IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT MANY POLICE THERE. EVEN THOUGH EVERY WEEKEND IN THE SUMMER, WE HAVE POLICE AT THE ENTRANCE BECAUSE THE BEACH ACTUALLY HAS TO BE CLOSED DOWN BECAUSE THE NICKNAME OF THE BEACH IS THE ZOO. IT DOES JUST THAT IT BECOMES THE ZOO. YOU CAN JUST FLIP THROUGH THESE. >> WHAT OF THESE NUMBERS REPRESENT. >> THAT'S HOW MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. ONE IS, ONE DAY ANY TIME BROKE THE DUNE ORDINANCE. THIS IS DESTROYING OUR DUNES. WERE BLESSED THAT WHAT SITS NEXT TO THIS DUNE IS A FORTFIED DUNE SO IT TENDS TO HOLD ONTO MORE SAND AND WE HAVE THE VEGETATION. BUT THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND PEOPLE CAN SEE THIS. THE PEOPLE FROM THE HOUSES AND SUNNY BEACH. THE PEOPLE FROM THE HOUSES AND BEACH SIDE VILLAGE CAN SEE PEOPLE DOING ALL THINGS. I GET PICTURES LIKE THESE EVERY WEEK FROM ANY BEACH THAT STILL ALLOWS VEHICULAR TRUCK TRAFFIC ON IT. YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE, THERE'S A PORT-A-POTTY. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WHAT I HAVE AS THE PARK BOARD DOES PROVIDE PORT-A-POTTY, WHICH IS GREAT. BUT THEY DON'T REMEMBER THEM WHEN TO STOP AND WHEN A STORM COMES. WHEN NICHOLAS DELTA BETA HEAD, THEY WERE SMASHED UP AGAINST THE DUNES AND LEFT THERE. ATVS RIDING IN THE DUNE TALK ABOUT THAT BREAKS THREE DIFFERENT STATE AND CITY ORDINANCES. AS WE KNOW IN DISTRICT 6, WE'RE ALREADY UNDESERVED BY POLICE AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE [00:10:01] A DEDICATED POLICE SERVICE AT SUNNY BEACH BECAUSE IT'S SO OUT OF CONTROL IS NOT A GOOD THING. [BACKGROUND] THIS IS JUST ONE DAY AND TIME. IT'S LIKE THIS EVERY WEEKEND FROM SPRING BREAK ON. THIS IS IN THE TOP FIVE OF POLICE CALLS IN THE ENTIRE ISLAND. NOW I'VE WANTED JUST BRIEFLY COVER SOME OF THE MISNOMERS THAT I'VE READ IN EMAILS WHICH I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED, THAT YOU'RE CLOSING SUNNY BEACH, WHICH WE AREN'T CLOSING SUNNY BEACH. SUNNY BEACH WILL REMAIN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE ARE JUST COMING UP WITH AN ALTERNATE PARKING PLAN. THEN I'VE READ THAT, SAY WE ARE CLOSING SUNNY BEACH TOO SO A DEVELOPER CAN BUILD HOUSES ON THE DUNES. THAT IS NOT A TRUE RUMOR. WE ARE TRYING TO DISALLOW PEOPLE TO COME TO BEACH, THAT AGAIN, IT'S NOT. THEY WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS MORE THAN WHAT THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WILL BE THERE. ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ACCESS ROAD, THERE'S ACTUALLY A 40 FOOT EASEMENT. WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL PARALLEL PARKING SPOTS ASIDE FROM THE PARKING, SO WE'LL KEEP CONGESTION FROM BOTHERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I HAD AN ARRAY, BRIAN, WHERE ARE WE WITH ACTION ITEMS FOR COUNCIL WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? [OVERLAPPING] >> I BELIEVE AT YOU'RE APRIL MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING FORWARD THE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CONVERT THIS TO A OFF-SITE PARKING TO OUR BEACH PARKING. >> OKAY. >> IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. I GUESS. >> WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE ON THAT? >> WELL, THAT STARTS THE CLOCK TICKING. >> RIGHT, AND IT GETS UP TO THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> YES, RIGHT, SOMETIME IN OUR LIFETIME. [LAUGHTER] BUT I WOULD THINK PROBABLY WITHIN 90 DAYS WE WOULD HAVE SOME RESOLUTION FROM THE GLO. >> ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD TO HEAR. I HAVE TO ADMIT IT'S FAR FROM MY DISTRICT, SO I DON'T KNOW A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE SITUATION ON SUNNY BEACH, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE POLICE. BUT I CAN SYMPATHIZE BECAUSE THERE'S AN AREA BETWEEN BEACH TOWN AND HIS BEACH, HALF APART THAT HAS PRECISELY THE SAME PROBLEM. >> CORRECT. >> JUST EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM. IT SAYS THIS WAS DESIGNATED IN THE BEACH PLAN FOR USE BY 15 HANDICAP STICKERS, AND IT GETS 100-200 CARS EVERY WEEKEND IS THE SAME PROBLEM, AND IT'S BECAUSE WE ALLOW VEHICLES ON THE BEACHES. WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE BEACH, THERE'S VEHICLES ON THE BEACH. IT JUST EXACERBATES WHATEVER PROBLEMS PEOPLE ON THE BEACH MAY CREATE. THEY GREATLY EXACERBATES. >> LET ME SAY THIS AND THIS WILL MAKE ME A REAL POPULAR GUY. IF FOR SOME REASON COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AND IT GETS DENIED BY THE GLO, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU ALTERNATIVES EVEN STILL, BECAUSE ON ANY GIVEN WEEKEND, WE HAVE ALMOST 100% OF OUR POLICE FORCE ON DUTY OUT THERE. WE'RE LEAVING THE ISLAND, BEAR TO SERVE THIS ONE BEACH [OVERLAPPING]. IT IS IN OUR TOP FIVE CALL VOLUME. YOU KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW THE HOTSPOTS IN GALVESTON. THIS ONE'S ONLY DURING A NARROW PART OF OUR YEAR AND IT'S STILL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, MAKES IT INTO OUR TOP CALL VOLUME SPOT, IN OUR TOP FIVE COLUMN VOLUME SPOT. WE'RE GOING TO GET A POLICEMAN KILLED OUT THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET KIDS KILLED OUT THERE. EVEN IF THIS DOESN'T GO THE WAY THAT IT'S PLANNED RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK OTHER SOLUTIONS THAT INCLUDE PAID GATES AND LIMITATIONS ON PARKING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS BECAUSE THIS CAN'T CONTINUE IN THE WAY THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. >> THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND THANK YOU MARIE FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. >> YEAH. >> IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM, AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST STARTED HERE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. >> YES. >> LOOKING FORWARD, I THINK ALL OF US TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH ACTION ITEMS, BRIAN, AS THIS COMES FORWARD. >> THE ULTIMATE GOAL, AGAIN, IS TO REALLY GET ALL VEHICLES OFF THE BEACH BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HEALTHY FOR THE BEACH. [00:15:02] >> THE ULTIMATE ULTIMATE GOALS PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THAT IS THE SAFEST PLACE FOR THEM. >> YEAH. >> THANK YOU, MARIE VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. YES, JOHN. >> IS CHIEF [INAUDIBLE] SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? >> HE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> DO YOU WANT TO COME ON TO MAKE A COMMENT ON WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED? >> I GET YOU ON CAMERA, CHIEF. >> YES, JOHN, YOU HAD A QUESTION. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, I JUST WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT FROM DEEP VALID THEN MAYBE I'LL ASK THE QUESTION. >> YES, TO ECHO WHAT MR. MAXWELL SAID IT IS IN THE TOP FIVE OR CALL BLOGGING OR CALL VOLUME. WE BASICALLY COUNT DOWN LOCATIONS ACROSS THE ISLAND SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT AREAS THAT WE NEED TO TARGET BECAUSE WE ARE UTILIZING WAY TO MUCH MORE RESOURCES THERE. SUNNY BEACH IS IN OUR TOP FIVE. WE AVERAGE OVER 400 CALLS FOR SERVICE A YEAR AT THIS ONE SPOT OF THE BEACH. IT RANGES. THE CALLS RANGE ANYTHING FROM A DOG RUNNING LOOSE TO WEAPONS OFTEN, SO IT IS PROBLEMATIC. IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK IT PEAKED MARCH OF 2022, I THINK WE HAD 157 OR 187 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN JUST THAT ONE MONTH ALONE OF COURSE, AS THE SPRING BREAK MONTH. >> YEAH. >> BUT SPRING BREAK IS A PROBLEM OUT THERE AND WE HAVE TO EXPEND A GREAT DEAL OF OUR RESOURCES. I BELIEVE THIS PAST SPRING BREAK ON ONE GIVEN DAY, WE HAD ALL UNITS EXCEPT FOR TWO DEALING WITH ISSUES AT SUNNY BEACH AND THAT LEAVES THE ISLAND VERY VULNERABLE. >> YOU THINK BY TAKING THESE CARS OFF BEACH, THAT WILL HELP THAT PROBLEM. >> I THINK IT COULD VERY WELL HELP THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS CONVENIENT TO GO THERE SO THEY WON'T. >> IT'S EVEN LESS SO THAN THAT. WHEN THEY'RE HERE LIKE THIS, WE'RE PUTTING OFFICERS IN THERE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE CARS HAVE GUNS IN ON THEM. >> SURE. >> OR THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS. IT'S A WAY THAT THEY BRING IN CONTRABAND AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT THERE. IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SEPARATION FROM THE CAR IS YOU JUST HAVE LESS ISSUES THAT WAY. THAT'S PROVEN EVEN IN OUR PAID PARKING AREAS THAT NOW WE'RE YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM YOUR CAR, BUT IF YOU'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT DETACHED FROM YOUR CAR, WE SEEM TO HAVE FAR LESS ISSUES. >> WHEN YOU'RE VERY CONGESTED LIKE THIS AND WE HAVE A CRITICAL INCIDENT OR WE NEED TO GET AN EMS IN OR OUT, OR WE NEED TO GET IN AND OUT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO SO BECAUSE OF THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, YOU CAN STILL HAVE JUST AS MANY PEOPLE OR MORE PEOPLE THERE, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT BECAUSE THE CARS AREN'T IN THE WAY. YOU'LL HAVE VEHICLES LINED UP ALONG THE SHORELINE, VEHICLES LINED UP ON THE DUNE LINE, AND THEN VEHICLES THAT DO NOTHING BUT ESSENTIALLY JUST CRUZ BACK-AND-FORTH. >> THE TIDE COMES IN, THE CAR, START TO SINK. WE GET TOW TRUCKS AND IT GETS COMPOUNDED MORE. I'VE SAT OUT THERE MYSELF AND WASH IT AND IT'S JUST NOT EVEN ORGANIZED PANDEMONIUM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> MIKE, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> ARE THERE SOME OTHER LIKE POCKET BEACHES AND STUFF OVER THERE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN OPENED? >> NO, THEY'RE ALL OPENED. >> WE ARE EXPANDING THE PARKING IN ANOTHER PART. >> YEAH. WE DID EXPAND IT POCKET PARK 2, THIS ONE POCKET PARK ONE IS OPENED DOWN THERE. [OVERLAPPING] POCKET PARK 3 AS SOON AS WE ARE GETTING THAT WELL, WE WE'VE EXPANDED [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S NOT OPENED THERE, RIGHT? >> POCKET PARK 3, NO, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE STILL DRIVING ON THE BEACH THERE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO BEST PART OF OUR PLAN AMENDMENT IS TO TRY TO GET THAT ONE BACK OPEN AGAIN AND REDEVELOP SO WE CAN START TO LEAD [OVERLAPPING]. >> WITH THE APPROACH OF HANDLING BEACH ACCESS, THE PUBLIC LAW THAT THE ENTRANCE HAD BEEN DESTROYED. BUT I CAN SEE THAT IT'S BEEN REOPENED. POCKET PARK 4 HAS BEEN RE-OPENED. >> EXPANDED. >> STILL WE HAVE MORE ROOM TO EXPAND. >> YES. >> WE HAVE ALWAYS PROVIDED PROBABLY TWO TIMES THE PARKING THAT WERE REQUIRED TO. >> WE ARE VERY GENEROUS IN CHOICES PLANNED. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. I APPRECIATE IT. NELLY, LET'S GO. >> CAN I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING? >> YES. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT POLICE CALLS GO OUT THERE. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU SAW IN THIS 185 PEOPLE ALL BROKE THE LAW. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN HAVE THE POLICE THERE TO GET THAT. >> LET ME GO BACK AND SAY THAT WE'RE TALKING POLICE CALLS ONLY, EMS AND FIRE CALLS BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU AT LEAST ONE OR TWO OF THOSE PEOPLE GOT BIT BY SNAKES. [00:20:02] >> RIGHT. YEAH. >> THEY FELL. WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENTS OF THIS. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND WHEN I SEE THAT, I DON'T HAVE A HOUSE OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY, SO THAT'S NOT ON MY MIND. WHAT'S ON MY MIND IS, I WORKED ON THIS PARTICULAR BEACH FROM THE TIME I WAS 12 YEARS OLD AND I CAN TELL YOU, I WOULD NOT BE WALKING THROUGH THOSE DUNES, I KNOW WHAT'S IN THOSE DUNES. >> WE HAVE RATTLESNAKES THERE TOO. >> YES. >> I GET MY DOGS VACCINATED EVERY YEAR INCASE THEY BEEN BITTEN. >> BUT THEY TAKE CARE OF RATS. [LAUGHTER]. >> DID YOU KNOW THAT POSSUM CAN TAKE UP TO 300 RATTLESNAKE BITES. >> YES. >> THEY WERE THE ONES THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHOT YOU GET WHEN YOU GET BIT BY RATTLESNAKES. [OVERLAPPING] IT GAVE ME MORE RESPECT FOR POSSUMS. I JUST WANTED TO [LAUGHTER]. >> SAY A LITTLE BIT OF TRIVIA, COUNCIL. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> I JUST SAW THAT LAST WEEK. >> IRISH MARSUPIAL. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU KNOW, AS WE MOVE ON, I WAS LOOKING IN ALL OF THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WAS TRYING TO SEE IF I KNEW ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE. >> QUITE [INAUDIBLE] ARE YOU? [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> ALL RIGHT, NELLY, LET'S GO. [OVERLAPPING] [3.B. The Following Items Are For Discussion And Consideration To Allow Council To Give Staff Guidance Related To The Park Board Of Trustees. (Brown/Bouvier)] >> PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> ITEM 3B. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ARE FOR DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION TO ALLOW COUNCIL TO GIVE STAFF GUN RELATED TO THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S READ 3B1,1 IF YOU WOULD PLEASE. >> ITEM 3B1. BEACH AND BAY PARKS. >> AND ON ONE, WE HAVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, MANAGEMENT AND REVENUE SHARING OF SEAWOLF PARK IN METHODS TO PURSUE SUCH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEAWOLF NOW. BRIAN, I'M GOING TO LET YOU OPEN THIS UP, PLEASE. >> LET ME RESTATE WITH THE MAYOR, BUT YOU NEEDED THAT. WE HAVE SPENT IN AN ORDINARY. [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU. >> IN AN ORDINARY PROBABLY AN UNDERSTATEMENT AMOUNT OF TIME ON PARK FLORIDA ISSUES IN THE PAST LIFE. BEFORE I GO JUMPING INTO THIS ANY FURTHER IN A NEAR LOCAL, THEY COULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET ACCOMPLISHED, I NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS. I ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH A VERY DEDICATED TEAM OVER AT THE PARK BOARD WITH VINCE AND WITH JASON AND OTHERS ON SEAWOLF PARK. IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR THAT TEAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN THEM DOWN THE PATH UNLESS COUNCIL KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH SEAWOLF PARK AND HOW THEY WANT SEAWOLF PARK MANAGED IN THE FUTURE. THESE ARE POLICY DECISIONS. STAFF IS HAPPY TO GIVE YOU THEIR OPINION IF YOU ASK FOR IT. HOWEVER, WE'RE DEFERRING TO COUNCIL. WE WILL RUN 100 MILES AN HOUR IN WHATEVER DIRECTION YOU GUYS POINT US. HAPPY TO DO IT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT GIVEN THE FUTURE OF PARKS IN GALVESTON, LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE PREVIEW OF WHAT MY BUDGET SPEECH IS GOING TO BE THIS SUMMER. YOU WERE SPENDING ALL OF YOUR AD VALOREM TAX AND YOU WILL BE QUICKLY APPROACHING 50% OF YOUR SALES TAX THIS YEAR ON PUBLIC SAFETY EXPENSES. THAT IS AN UNSUSTAINABLE PACE TO DO. YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE PICTURES THAT MARIE POSTED, WHICH ARE VERY TIMELY AND SEE THAT PROBABLY AIN'T ENOUGH. JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND. THE FIRST PAIR ALL OF THIS WILL PROBABLY BE TRANSIT, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY AT THE HANDS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE WAY THERE'S FUNDING US. BUT THE SECOND PARALLEL, THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR PARKS. UNLESS WE FIND ALTERNATIVE REVENUE SOURCES TO FUND OUR PARKS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN OUR PARK SYSTEM. THE TWO PARKS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY ARE CITY PARKS. THEY WERE MANAGEMENT OF THESE PARKS, MANAGEMENT OF THE PARKS WAS DELEGATED TO THE PARK BOARD. I WAS EITHER A CHILD OR NOT BORN YET. YOU DEFINITELY WEREN'T BORN YET, BUT SHE WASN'T THOUGHT OF YET. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY DID THAT. BUT THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO REVENUE PRODUCING PARKS THE CITY REALLY OWNS. THE REVENUE IS NOT BEING USED TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON. SO THAT BEING SAID, I WANT COUNCIL TO HAVE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION AS TO THE FUTURE OF THESE PARKS. BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS THEIR A REVENUE GENERATED IN THESE PARKS TODAY, THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, GOOD POTENTIAL REVENUE TO BE HAD FROM THESE PARKS. ASIDE FROM THAT, ARE WE MANAGING THEM IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER? HAVE WE STOOD UP AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF MOWING GRASS TO MOW GRASS? ARE WE DUPLICATING SERVICES? ARE WE DUPLICATING AN ENTIRE MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE THAT ALREADY EXIST ON ONE SIDE. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS I WANT YOU TO HAVE. STAFF WILL STAND DOWN NOW AND LISTEN TO YOUR DISCUSSIONS AND PARTICIPATE AS YOU ASK. [00:25:01] >> BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION, I'M GOING TO THROW OUT A COUPLE OF TOPICS THAT MAYBE WE COULD TRY TO KEEP OUR DISCUSSION CENTERED AROUND. HOW DO WE PROCEED NOW WITH SEAWOLF PARK AND THE DESIGN AND SO FORTH? THE RV PARK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL FEELS THAT THEY WANT TO EVEN INCLUDE IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT SEAWOLF PARK? WHO MANAGES THAT PARK? ALSO, WE'RE GETTING CURRENTLY $300,000, I THINK, FROM THE PARK BOARD FOR THE SEAWOLF PARK. >> WELL, OUR AGREEMENT IS TO GET $300,000 FROM THE PARK BOARD. THE FACT THAT THEY TAKE IT FROM SEAWOLF PARK IS A DECISION MADE ON THE PARK BOARD SIDE OF THE QUESTION. >> WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT REVENUES AND REVENUE SHARES. DAVID. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKS. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AS A BUSINESS DECISION. BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW RIGHT UP IN GALVESTON AD VALOREM TAX FOR THE GENERAL FUND IS CONCERNED, THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER ANYTIME SOON. CURRENTLY PARK BOARD PAYS THE CITY $300,000 AS YOU SAY, IT'S THE NUMBER IN THE LOCAL AGREEMENT, BUT THEY ARE TAKING THAT MONEY OUT OF REVENUE CONCEIVABLE PARK. CAN YOU DO BETTER THAN THAT? BRIAN, IF THE CITY TAKES MANAGEMENT IN SEAWOLF PARK, CAN PARKS GENERATE MORE THAN $300,000 A YEAR OUT OF THE PARKS? LET ME JUST SAY, PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS BEACH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT STEWART BEACH, THOSE BEACHES ARE CONSTRAINED BY BEACH USER FEES. [INAUDIBLE] HYBRID OF THAT, BUT SEAWOLF PARK IS A CITY PARK. IT'S NOT FUNDED BY HOT TAX, BY LAW, ITS REVENUE IS NOT BE TRUE FOR FEES. THIS IS MONEY TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE GENERAL FUND OF THE CITY. CAN YOU DO BETTER THAN $300,000 A YEAR? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> HOW MUCH? >> WELL, 10% RIGHT OFF THE TOP IMMEDIATELY. WELL WOULD TAKE A 10% OVERHEAD, BUT I WOULD THINK WE COULD PROBABLY COME CLOSE TO AT LEAST GETTING 50% MORE THAN THAT OFFER. >> HOW MUCH [INAUDIBLE], BRIAN? >> WELL, BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE MORE CREWS, I ALREADY HAVE MANAGEMENT IN PLACE. >> YOU STILL GOT TO PAY THEM. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE DO, BUT THE FINANCIALS WERE INCLUDED. WE ARE STILL TRYING TO SEEK DATA. MIKE IS TRYING AND HE'S BEEN A BIG HELP TO US IN GETTING THAT DATA. WE STILL DO NOT HAVE THE SALARY DATA AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR OR EVEN SEE WHAT POSITIONS THEY HAVE OVER THERE. I'D HAVE TO SAY THAT ON A MILLION PLUS DOLLAR A YEAR REVENUE PARK, IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GENERATING, ALTHOUGH THAT IS NOT BEING MANAGED CORRECTLY TO BEGIN WITH. YOU JUST PARK CARS?. >> THIRTY PERCENT?. >> I THINK ON A PARK THAT YOU'RE PARKING CARS ON AND YOU'RE MOWING GRASS. AND YOU GET IN THE REVENUE SHARE WITH THE NAVAL MUSEUM. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER PARK THAT MAKE SO MUCH? >> WE DON'T HAVE REVENUE GENERATING PARKS, WE DON'T CHARGE. >> WELL, YOU HAVE THE COUNTY. >> THE COUNTY PARK, IT PARKS, WHICH WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE TOOK THOSE COUNTY POCKET PARKS OVER THAT THEY WERE MONEY LOSERS. WE'VE BANKED ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BANK ON THOSE RIGHT NOW, 690,000 GO AND STILL GROWING. >> I'D LOVE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR BUSINESS PLAN. >> WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU AND WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE A BUSINESS PLAN SHOWING THAT, WITHOUT A DOUBT. >> YOU PROVIDED THAT? >> NO, WE ARE HAPPY TO. >> BUT AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO EXERCISE STAFF TO GO PUT TOGETHER A BUSINESS PLAN. THAT'S NOT THE BIZARRE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. >> MARIE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I READ THROUGH THEIR NUMBERS ON BOTH SEAWOLF AND DOWN THERE, AND THEN I GAVE IT TO MY HUSBAND WHO IS A CPA AND I SAID, ''READ THROUGH WHAT JUMPS OUT AT YOU,'' AND IT WAS FUNNY BECAUSE WE BOTH HAD THE SAME JUMP OUT, WHICH WAS THE SALARIES. WHAT'S THE BREAKDOWN ON THAT? >> WE'VE ANSWERED THAT. >> BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR PER SALARIES? >> NO. IT'S 24 HOUR A DAY PARK. BUT UNTIL WE SEE THAT BREAKDOWN, WE DON'T KNOW. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE A PROFORMA FOR YOU, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO BE ABLE TO GET DATA IN ORDER TO DO THAT. WE WANT TO HAVE OPEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PARK WHERE WE WANT TO BE FAIR. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON ANY ADDITIONAL WORK THAT I DON'T HAVE TO. BUT I WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON AND I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BEST BENEFIT TO THEM AND THEIR PARKS. IF WE'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE OVER THERE, IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON, BUT THERE'S TRANSFERS OUT THERE FOR BEACH PATROL. THERE'S TRANSFERS OUT OF THERE FOR ALL OTHER STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IN ADDITION TO JUST THAT. YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE. ONCE WE GET THE WHOLE PICTURE, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO BRING YOU A PROFORMA ON THAT. BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT, I CAN SWEAR ON STACK OF BIBLES, I'M NOT AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT TELLING YOU I CAN MAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY, $300,000 OFF THAT PARK. >> EVEN SAYING THAT IT'S A 24 HOUR PARK, [00:30:02] SO IS DELLANERA PARK. DELLANERA PARK SALARIES ARE HALF. SEAWOLF AND DELLANERA HAS PEOPLE LIVING THERE. >> WHAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IS, AND THAT'S WHY WE KEEP ASKING FOR THIS DATA, IT'S NOT A GOT YOU THING. BUT WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT, HEY, IF THESE FOLKS HAVE DOUBLE DUTIES AND TRIPLE DUTIES AND THEY'VE JUST BEEN PLACED IN CIVIL PARK BUDGET, THAT'S FINE, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, HOW MUCH TIME THEY'RE SPENDING ON THIS PART. IT'S A CITY ASSET GENERATING CITY REVENUE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT DATA AND WE DO NOT HAVE THAT DATA TODAY. >> DAVID, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. >> YEAH. I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROFORMA BECAUSE [NOISE] I LIKE MARIE DIGGING INTO THE NUMBERS AND SOME OF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE YOU HAVE $127,000 INTER FUND TRANSFER TO TOURISM DEVELOPMENT FUNDED TO THE POINT, THE $8.1 MILLION THIS YEAR ANYWAY, SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S ABOUT. IT MAKES ME WONDER IF THE REST OF THE PARKS PUTTING MONEY INTO INTER FUND TRANSFERS INTO TOURISM DEVELOPMENT, DESPITE TOURISM DEVELOPMENTS FUNDING $452,000 IN SALARY PLUS $119,000 IN THE GENERAL FUND, $570,000. I'D LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S FOR AND WHAT YOUR NUMBER WOULD BE SIMILARLY. >> WE WIN IT TO BUSINESS 1. >> YES, SIR. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE PART AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOUR THINKING IS $300,000. THAT'S ALL YOU'VE ASKED FOR, THAT'S ALL THAT WAS IN THE LAST INTERVAL. IF YOU WERE TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY, I'M SURE THEY WOULD GIVE YOU MORE MONEY FOR THAT PART. THERE'S MORE MONEY THAT'S BEING GENERATED THERE, YOU CAN'T JUST LIMIT IT THAT ALL THEY'RE PRODUCING IS $300,000, THEY'RE PRODUCING MORE THAN THAT. >> IT'S NOT BENEFITING OUR CITIZENS. >> NO. BUT IT'S BENEFITING THE CITIZENS BECAUSE THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE GENERATING IS GOING BACK INTO THESE PARKS FOR MAINTENANCE AND FOR CIPS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW, I KNOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED WHERE THE CIPS NOW AREN'T COMING FROM THE PARK BOARD ANYMORE AND THEY'RE BEING VOTED ON BY THE COUNCIL. BUT THERE'S UPKEEP AND THINGS OF A PART THAT GO ON. THEY ALSO THIS YEAR FOR EASTER, THEY PUT ON AN EASTER EGG HUNT FOR THE CITIZENS. THERE WAS A LOT OF CITIZENS OUT THERE. >> WE DID TOO AT THE POOL. >> THEN YOU TAKE THE TWO ENTITIES, YOU HAVE THE CITY WHO IS STRUCTURED TO RUN PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS A CITY. THEN YOU HAVE THE PARK BOARD WHICH SPECIALIZES IN PROMOTING THE ISLAND, AND THEY PROMOTE THE PARKS, AND THEY PROMOTE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THESE PARKS. THE FINE EXAMPLE IS IF YOU GO TO THEIR WEBSITES AND YOU LOOK AT THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR THE FORESEEABLE PARK, AND YOU GO TO THE PARK BOARD AND YOU LOOK AT THEIR WEBSITE, TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ONES. ONE IS STRUCTURED AS A CITY WEBSITE AND IT HAS A PICTURE AND THEN IT HAS A DESCRIPTION. WHEN YOU GO INTO THE PARK WORKS 1, THEY'VE GOT MULTIPLE PICTURES OF PEOPLE WITH FISH AND THEY'RE UPDATED ALL THE TIME AND THEY'RE SHOWING THE AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S WELL-MAINTAINED, THEY ALSO LINK YOU TO A FACEBOOK PAGE, A TWITTER PAGE, AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT PEOPLE INTERACT WITH. THEY PROMOTE THESE PARKS TO MAKE THIS MONEY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROMOTIONS OF THESE PARKS, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT MONEY. >> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? >> YES. >> THEY COLLECT A LOT OF HARD TAX TO PROMOTE THE ODD, IF THEY DIDN'T MANAGE THIS PARK, THEY WOULDN'T PROMOTE IT ANYMORE? THEY'RE ALREADY COLLECTING THE TAX TO DO IT, SO THEN WHERE'S THE MONEY THAT THEY SPENDING? THEY'RE TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE PARK TO PROMOTE IT, THEY ALREADY GET HOT TAX TO PROMOTE TOURIST ORIENTED ACTIVITIES ON THE ISLAND. >> RIGHT. >> WELL, THERE WHO ELSE MAKE WHO'S MOWING THE GRASS AS TO WHETHER THEY PROMOTE IT? >> I THINK THE POINT HERE IS IT'S ONE ATTRACTION THAT THEY PROMOTE. MY CONCERN IS THAT, I'M ON THE BUSINESS SIDE HERE. IF YOU SHOW ME A BUSINESS PLAN THAT WORKS AND IT'S MORE EFFICIENT AND WE BRING IN MORE MONEY, HEY MAN, GO FOR IT. >> THAT'S EASY. >> MY PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THIS IS NOT THE BUSINESS THAT THE CITY IS IN. THE CITY DOES THINGS THAT THEY DO VERY WELL, BUT WE HAVE A POOL, FOR INSTANCE, THAT IS IN A DEFICIT OF FOREIGN GRAND A YEAR. >> IF WE COULD CHARGE ON THE POOL LIKE WE CHARGED AT SEA WOLF PARK, IT WOULDN'T BE. >> WHICH CAN. [00:35:01] >> IS IT A RESIDENTIAL SERVICE? >> WELL, IT'S NOT, BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T PROMOTE. WE DON'T PROMOTE THE POOL VERY WELL. MY WORRY IS THAT WE DON'T PROMOTE THIS PARK LIKE IT SHOULD BE, AND THEN YOU LOSE, YOU START LOSING REVENUE. >> WHY WOULD WE STILL BE PROMOTING THE PARK? WHY WOULDN'T THE PARK BOARD CONTINUE TO PROMOTE THE PARK? >> WHETHER IT'S RUN BY THE STATE OR NOT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY COLLECT HOT TAX FOR THAT PURPOSE, IT'S A TOURISTS ATTRACTION. [OVERLAPPING] >> AGAIN, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE BUSINESS PLAN. WE NEED TO DICTATE WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY DON'T DO. MY CONCERN HERE IS THAT AGAIN, WE DON'T DO THIS, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THE CITY DOES ON ANY BASIS. WE RUN PARKS FOR FREE BASICALLY, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE APART THAT IS A REVENUE PRODUCER. >> WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE POCKET PARKS AND [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'VE ALREADY DONE. >> IT DOESN'T MAKE MONEY. >> WELL, IT COULD IF WE RAN IT LIKE A GYM. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS A CITY PARK, SO ARE YOU GOING TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S A MUNICIPAL SERVICE, WE DON'T NEED MONEY ON IT. >> WE ALREADY DO, WE ALREADY LET THE RESIDENTS USE IT FOR FREE. >> AGAIN, THAT'S NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. I'M WORRIED THAT THE CITY TAKES IT OVER AND WE DO NOT GENERATE THE MONEY THAT IS CURRENTLY PRODUCING. >> WHAT WOULD THE CITY DO DIFFERENTLY THAT WOULD CAUSE IT TO NOT MAKE THE MONEY? >> THE CITY HAS NEVER SHOWN ME A PARK THAT WE HAVE GENERATED MONEY ON. >> BECAUSE BUT THAT'S NOT OUR MISSION. >> EXACTLY. >> BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT COULDN'T. [OVERLAPPING] >> GREAT POINT. >> IT'S NOT OUR MISSION, BECAUSE WE DON'T COLLECT THE MONEY THAT WE TAX ALL THESE HOMEPAGE PEOPLE HERE. [OVERLAPPING] THIS IS NOT A COURT WHERE YOU SAY YES OR NO ANSWER. YOU'VE PUT IT IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. >> THAT WAS EASY, THE BUSINESS PLAN IS REALLY EASY, BECAUSE NOW IF THE PARK BOARD CHOOSES NOT TO PROMOTE THE PARK ANYMORE, THAT'S A POLICY ISSUE FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE UP, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WERE PROMOTING ON IT. I WOULD ALSO THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY UPSET, AND AS YOU AS A LOCAL BUSINESS OWNER, IF WE WERE STRONGLY PROMOTING MAGUIRE DAN AS THE RECREATION CENTER ON THE ISLAND, IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO A LOT OF LOCAL GYMS AND OTHER THINGS UNTIL WE PROVIDE THAT SERVICE IN IT. >> WHERE DOES THAT BALANCE OUT? THAT'S MY WORRY. YOU SAY IT'S A CITY PARK, BUT YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ON IT. IS THAT SOMETHING THE CITY IS REALLY IN THE BUSINESS TO DO? DO WE LET THE PARK BOARD HANDLE THAT? >> HONESTLY, I KEEP ASKING. WHAT IS IT THAT THEY DO THAT MAKES IT MAKE MONEY THAT WE DON'T DO? >> THEY MARKET IT, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MARKET IT. >> WHY WOULDN'T THEY? THEY GET THE TAX PEOPLE TO DO THAT. >> MAYBE THAT'S WITHIN THE BUSINESS POINT [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] >> I WOULDN'T USE A WORD THAT THEY TAX PEOPLE. >> THE STATE TAXES PEOPLE TO DO THAT. >> EXACTLY. THE PARK BOARD DOESN'T TAX THEM. >> BUT THEY HAVE THEM. THEY DO GET THE THREE. >> THEY COLLECTED. >> YEAH, THEY COLLECT IT AND THEY GET IT. >> I THINK A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS, WE NEED A BUSINESS PLAN. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. THE CITY CAN SAY A LOT OF THINGS UNTIL WE SEE THE DOLLARS AND CENTS AND A PLAN ON THAT, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND KNOW WHERE WE STAND. MIKE, HAVE YOU FINISHED YOUR THOUGHTS BEFORE I'VE GOT MARIA AND THEN DAVID. [OVERLAPPING] GREAT. >> I'M JUST GOING TO GO BACK TO THE NUMBERS AND THEN I'M GOING TO COVER ONE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. IF YOU GO THROUGH THESE NUMBERS, SO IF WE GO TO EMISSIONS. I WOULD ASSUME WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT EMISSIONS, THAT'S PAID EMISSIONS, IT'S 400 OR 446,000. THEN YOU GO TO NON-RESIDENTIAL AT 646. BUT RESONANCE DON'T PEG. >> DID YOU NOT PAID TO PARK THERE TO ENTER THE PARK DATE? >> BUT THEY PAID TO GO TO THE PEAR. >> I BELIEVE SO. >> I MADE IT TO ME, WE JUST NEED A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S VERY VAGUE AS YOU GO THROUGH IT. BUT HERE'S ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS THAT I TAKE AND IT WAS SOMETHING I ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP LAST MEETING. THE CITY OWNS THE PARK. IT'S OUR PROPERTY. THE CITY OWNS ALL THE LAND OR THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND THAT THE PARK BOARD ADVANTAGED. I HAD ASKED THAT THE LAST MEETING WHEN THEY WERE PRESENTING, I HAD SAID WHAT ABOUT THE LAWSUIT? THE REPLY I GOT FROM THE STORE WAS THAT THERE WASN'T LAWSUIT? DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT WAS? BECAUSE THE PARK BOARD ISN'T BEING SUED, THE CITY IS BEING THREATENED TO SUED, BY SOMEONE WHO HAD THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT ON THE CAMPGROUND WAY BACK WHEN, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS CAMPGROUND NOW, [00:40:03] FOR SINCE I WAS ON COUNCIL LAST 20 YEARS, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. THEY MANAGE THE PROPERTY, BUT WE GET THE BRUNT OF WHATEVER IS DONE AND NOT PROPER WAY. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT THAT WE'RE LIABLE FOR WHATEVER IS CONTRACT IS SIGNED OR WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH WHAT MAY BE A BAD CONTRACT, AND I'M TALKING OVER THE YEARS. I'M GOING BACK TO CONVENTION CENTER YOU NAME IT, BECAUSE THE CITY OWNS THE PROPERTY. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH BENEFIT DOES OUR CITIZENS GET. I MEAN, WE WERE ALL PUT HERE BY THE CITIZENS. WE WEREN'T PUT HERE BY THE PARK BOARD. FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO ME WE'LL ALWAYS BE THE CITIZENS. >> WE HAVE DAVID AND THEN MIKE. I'M THE NEXT ONE. >> THERE IS A LAWSUIT WITH THE CITY? >> WE'VE BEEN THREATENED OF A LAWSUIT, YES. >> BUT THERE'S NO LAWSUIT. >> MR. CASTLE DID NOT LIE WHEN HE SAID THERE'S NO LAWSUIT. >> WELL, BUT THERE WERE LETTERS THREATENING A LAWSUIT. >> THERE WERE LETTERS, SO IT'S A THREAT OF A LAWSUIT OUT THERE. >> BUT THERE IS NO LAW SUIT. >> BACK TO THE PARK BOARD. >> OKAY. >> BACK TO THE CITY. >> THERE'S NO LAWSUIT. >> ALL RIGHT VERY GOOD. COUNSEL, LET ME THROW OUT SOME OTHER THOUGHTS. BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. WILLIAM OR SHARON, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS. >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR BRIAN? BRIAN, YOUR BUSINESS PLAN, I GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM TO HAVE SOME GENERAL IDEAS OF WHAT'S ON IT AT THIS POINT. I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT DIFFER FROM WHAT THE CURRENT BOARD REPRESENTED? >> WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE DOING A LOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. WE MAY NEED AN ADDITIONAL PERSON OR TWO TO MORE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE FULL-TIME MAINTENANCE CREWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT GOING ON OVER THERE. WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE TAKING A 10 PERCENT MANAGEMENT OVERHEAD FEE AFTER WE BILL FOR SALARIES. WE MOST LIKELY WOULD BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE SOME OF OUR OTHER ASSETS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THINGS LIKE MANAGE THE WASTE STATIONS AND OTHER THINGS THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE SUCKING THAT UP TO THE TUNE OF $40,000 A YEAR. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE ALREADY DO. THIS ISN'T NEW STUFF TO US. THAT'S WHERE I DIFFER FROM MR. LISTOWSKI, THE OPERATION OF THE PARK IS THE OPERATION OF THE PARK. THE FACT THAT IT GENERATES REVENUE IS INSIDE AND THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S A MARKETING ISSUE. THAT'S MARKETING ISSUE, AND IF THE PARK BOARD WANTS TO TAKE THEIR MARBLES AND GO HOME AND NOT MARKET SEAWORLD PARK, WELL, THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR COUNCIL TO TAKE UP. HOWEVER, REGARDLESS OF WHO CUTS THE GRASS AND WHO TAKES THE TICKETS, I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT MATTERS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HEARD THE CITY DID TAKE CONTROL OF SEAWORLD PARK. >> BECAUSE OF THEIR TASK IS PROMOTING THE TOURISM ASSETS OF GALVESTON AND JUST LIKE THEY PROMOTE THE SEAWORLD, THE BEACHES, THEY PROMOTE WESTERN BEACH, THEY PROMOTE EVERYTHING AND THAT'S THEIR JOB AND A PUBLIC ASSET THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR VISITORS, AND A GREAT PLACE LIKE SEAWORLD PARK, WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'D BE CUTTING OFF YOUR NOSE TO SPITE YOUR FACE. >> WE HAVE SHARON AND THEN JOHN. SHARON. >> I WAS LISTENING WHEN BRIAN YOU WERE SAYING THE MAINTENANCE AND I THINK YOU JUST ADDRESSED THAT A LITTLE BIT. BUT ANYTHING OTHER BESIDES MOWING AND THE SEWAGE OF MAINTENANCE? >> YOU KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER STUFF GOING ON OVER THERE. >> THAT'S WHY I'M JUST ASKING. IS THERE ANY OTHER LIST UNDER THE MAINTENANCE. >> THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DIVE INTO THE SALARIES AND SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING. FOR ME, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED SOMETHING, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING IT FROM WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT NOW, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. THAT'S PART OF THE EXPLORATION THAT WE'RE AT, BUT BEFORE WE SPEND AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME DIVING INTO THIS AND LOOKING AT IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT IF THERE'S NO DESIRE ON THE COUNCIL PARK TO PURSUE IT AND LOOK AT IT. >> I THINK MIKE TOUCHED ON, I WAS LOOKING AT THE 300,000 THAT THEY GAVE THE CITY AND THIS WAS IN AN ENTRY-LEVEL, HAVE WE MADE BACK? >> IT'S THE CURRENT LOCAL. >> IT'S THE CURRENT LOCAL. >> I THINK IT HAPPENED AROUND 2019. >> I'M HEARING THAT THAT AMOUNT CAN INCREASE, AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT WERE YOU SAYING THAT YOU COULD BRING IN? >> RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE WOULDN'T CHARGE ADMIN FEE, SO 10 PERCENT. [00:45:02] BUT I WOULD SUSPECT YOU COULD GET UP CLOSER TO MAYBE HALF OF THAT MONEY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE OTHER OPERATIONS ARE. I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT EXACT NUMBER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DATA. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, I'M JUST ESTIMATING. THAT'S ABOUT 450,000, SO WITH INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT TO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU ARE PREDICTING THAT THE CITY COULD DO? >> I DON'T FOLLOW YOUR QUESTION. >> ARE YOU SAYING THAT I JUST NEGOTIATE THAT AMOUNT INTO AN INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT? >> YOU GOT IT. YES. >> I SUPPOSE WE COULD. >> JUST A QUESTION. >> HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT A STATIC NUMBER AND OUT OF FAIRNESS TO THE PARK BOARD, I WOULD HATE TO TEST THEM WITH A FLAT FEE WHEN THAT NUMBER COULD EASILY GO UP OR IT COULD EASILY GO DOWN. >> GO AHEAD CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY. >> LOOK AT THE SAME THING AS TO THE ADVERTISEMENT OF WHAT THEY DO AND I KNOW THAT YOU'VE SAID THAT THAT IS A REQUIREMENT. THEY MUST DO IT BECAUSE THEY RECEIVE A CONTACT. BUT I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB AT IT SO I'M JUST IN THE MIDDLE HERE. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS MONEY. CORRECT? THE MONEY THAT WE ARE AFTER IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. >> BENEFIT AND THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL. THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT TO THE GENERAL FUND AND YOU CAN USE IT FOR STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR IT COULD GO STRAIGHT INTO YOUR PARKS. BUT YES, IT WOULD BE GENERAL REVENUE OF THE CITY. >> WHAT ABOUT LIGHTS. >> THAT'S PART OF YOUR GENERAL FUND. [LAUGHTER]. >> OH AWESOME. >> WE HAVE SHARING ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW. WILLIAM BEFORE JOHN, BEFORE WE LEAVE, WILLIAM JUST SAID HE HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION. SORRY, I FORGOT. >> THIS ONE QUESTION, BUT HOW MUCH, IN A GENERAL SENSE DOES SEAWORLD PARK RECEIVE EVERY YEAR. [BACKGROUND] >> I STILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT IN THE BUDGET, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE RECEIVING IN. THEN THERE ARE TASKS TO PROMOTE SEAWOLF PART BECAUSE IT'S A TOURIST. BASICALLY, THE CITY I CONTROL THAT PART AND A PART BORES TASKS AND PROMOTED BECAUSE THEY SAID, I AGREE WITH YOU, BRIAN INCENTIVES, YOU SHOULDN'T BE INSTEAD OF MONETARILY. THEIR TASKS TO PROMOTE THAT PART, BECAUSE IT'S A TOURISM GENERATING PARK. OR ON PAPER IT LOOKS AT HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN ROCKET PARK OR JONES PARK ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT GLENDALE PARK AND CROCKERY PARK. >> THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN IN AN THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE MARKETERS TO THE PARK BOARD, BUT THEY CERTAINLY COULD MARK IT IT ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR RESIDENTS WOULD TAKE TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE MARKETING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS IS TOURIST ATTRACTIONS. BUT WE MEAN THEY MARK IT FOR SPORTS TOURISM IN [BACKGROUND] THOSE FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AGAIN, I'M SEEING THE DISCONNECT HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T MARKETS YOU WILL APART REGARDLESS OF WHO TAKES THE TICKET AND WHO CUTS THE GRASS. >> JOHN. >> BRIAN. >> WHY WOULD THE CITY YOU WANT TO MANAGE THOSE PARKS AND I'LL ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. THAT'S ONE, AND IF THE CITY LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS AND CAME UP WITH A BUSINESS PLAN, AND TOLD PARK BOARD THAT WE THINK OUR PARK IS WORTH THIS MUCH WE NEED THAT FROM YOU. WHY WOULDN'T YOU RATHER GO THAT ROUTE TO LET THEM CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT HASSLE OF MANSION, THAT PART AND THEN THE CITY COLLECT THE MONEY THAT WE THINK WE'RE OKAY. >> LET ME START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A DESIRE ON THE CITY TO WANT TO MANAGE SEQUOIA PARK. THERE'S A DESIRE FROM THE CITY TO MAXIMIZE ALL REVENUE AS DIRECTED BY COUNSEL TO OFFSET EXPENSES. IF IT INVOLVES THOSE RUNNING A PARK THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. THE SECOND THING IS, IS I WOULD FLIP THAT QUESTION AROUND AND SAY, IF THE PARK BOARD IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY MONETARY ADVANTAGE, WHY WOULD THEY DO IT? >> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BUT IF I TAKE 100% OF THE NET REVENUE AND NET REVENUE BEING AFTER THE CITY DECIDES WHAT THE EXPENSES SHOULD BE OVER THERE WHY WOULD THEY DO IT? IF THEY STILL WANT TO DO IT AFTER THAT I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION TO BE HAD. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ARGUING OR EQUIVALENT WITH HOW THEY OPERATE SEQUOIA PARK. BUT I THINK AT A FAIRNESS TO THE PARK BOARD, WE'VE BEEN TOLD BY PARK BOARD STAFF THEY WOULDN'T WANT IT. >> SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE ROUTE THAT I WOULD TAKE. HEY, [OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T WANT MANAGE THIS PARK, BUT WE NEEDED THE MONEY THAT WE THINK WE ARE OWED AND IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP IT, [00:50:01] IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN WE'LL TAKE IT. >> MAY VERY WELL BE THE TECH WE TAKE, BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. >> MIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. >> THE TRANSFER GOES TO THE UPPER MANAGEMENT, THAT 10% SO THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR UPPER MANAGEMENT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE FAST IN THEIR EMPLOYMENT. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT LOSING JOBS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO CUT BACK AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NOT HAVE JOBS. >> I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THOSE POSITIONS DO FOR THE PRODUCT BORDER FORESEEABLE PARK THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING WELL. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO TIGHTEN IT UP, THAT MEANS [OVERLAPPING]. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FINGERS OF THE GALVESTON ARE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE FOUR PERCENT ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD HERE AT THE CITY. >> FOUR PERCENT BUT YOUR NUMBER IS A LOT BIGGER THAN THE PARK BOARD SO THAT NUMBER IS [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL YOU WOULD SPREAD YOUR OVERHEAD, NOT JUST OVERSEES A LITTLE PARK YOU WOULD SPREAD YOUR OVERHEAD OVER THE OVERALL THE PARK BOARD OPERATIONS. >> WELL, IT DOES. >> TEN PERCENT 10% IS 10% IT DOESN'T MATTER. THERE'S SOME FIXED COSTS AND THAT. >> NO, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE $40 MILLION, YOU TAKE FOUR PERCENT OF THAT AND YOU HAVE $15 MILLION, YOU TAKE 10% OF THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT. >> THAT'S BECAUSE YOU STOOD UP IN A MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE FOR A MUCH SMALLER ENTITY AND THAT'S WHAT OUR POINT IS, IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT A MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE IN PLACE SO IF YOU PUT IT UNDER THE CITY'S ARGUMENT, THEN YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO SPEND 10% ON ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD BECAUSE IT ALREADY EXISTS, CORRECT. >> THEN THE NEXT THING IS, AND AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I DON'T GET THESE PRIVILEGES, BUT YOU WANT TO SEE EVERYTHING FROM THE PARK BOARD ON THIS PARK SO YOU CAN RECONSTRUCT YOUR BUSINESS PLAN TO LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. >> IT'S MY PARK, IT'S A CITY PARK. >> I GET YOU. >> THAT'S TRANSPARENCY, SINCE THE GAUSS NEVER RIGHT TO SEE WHERE EVERY PENNY OVER THAT PART IS GONE. >> IT'S TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THIS IS A P&L STATEMENT. BUT IN THEIR BUDGETS THEY SHOW EVERYTHING THAT WORK GOES JUST LIKE YOUR BUDGET. >> BUT THEY DIDN'T GIVE US A SALARY BREAKDOWN, WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT SUBSEQUENT AND THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT GO IN ANY BUSINESS PLAN I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT I CAN DO IT MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN THEY DO UNLESS I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING SO THEY'VE GOT OVER THERE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? WHAT'S YOUR ROLE, HOW MUCH EMPLOYEES DO YOU HAVE, WHAT ARE THEIR HOURS, WHAT DO THEY DOING. >> AN ICE CREAM SHOP, I DON'T GO TO LA KINGS AND GO, HEY, I NEED TO SEE YOUR BUSINESS PLAN SO I KNOW I COULD [OVERLAPPING]. >> AWARE OF PUBLIC ENTITY. >> IS THAT ALL YOU NEED? >> IS THIS SOURED RIGHT NOW. >> AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GETTING THAT AND I BELIEVE WE'VE ASKED FOR AND I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE VAS ASKED FOR IT YOU'LL GET IT I'M SURE THEY'VE NEVER NOT GIVEN TO US SHE'S STANDS FOR. >> THAT'S THE END OF IT. IF YOU GET THE SALARY BREAKDOWN, YOU DON'T NEED A LEDGERS. >> I DON'T NEED. >> LEDGERS. >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO UNLESS WE GET INTO IT LISTS, THOSE PROVIDE MORE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER. THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE DO HERE. WE'RE TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION. WE GET QUESTIONS ALL THE TIME ABOUT OUR FINANCES AND WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THIS DATA. >> TWO, THREE THINGS. ONE, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU SAY THAT CBP JUST NOT PROMOTING THIS PARK IF WE SAY THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY ON IT. >> I DIDN'T SAY THAT. >> I WERE AFRAID THAT IS WHAT HE SAID. >> I NEVER SAID THAT. >> WHY WOULD THEY PROMOTE THE PARK IF THERE'S NOT A PROFIT-MAKING OPERATION AND I THINK THAT'S AN INSULT TO CBP. THOSE FOLKS OVER THERE ARE FUNDED, AS I SAY TO THE POINT OF $8.1 MILLION PLUS SOME TRANSFERS FROM ELLIS. >> I THINK YOU WOULD DO THAT WERE SAYING NO, THE TRANSFERS WERE COMING OUT WITH AIR TO GO TO CBP. >> THERE IS THAT. >> THAT TRAITS WERE WOULDN'T COME OUT OF THE PARK ANYMORE? >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD IN ANY CASE. THAT'S NOT THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDING THE SOURCE OF THEIR FUNDING IS THREE, SINCE HOT TAX SHE WAS $8.1 MILLION SO THE SUGGESTION HERE IS THEY STOPPED PROMOTING THIS PART IF WE DON'T LET THEM TAKE MONEY OUT OF IT FOR CBP AND THAT'S ABSURD. [OVERLAPPING] >> AS IT IS TODAY LIKE IT'S AN ATTRACTION IT'S JUST LIKE ONE OF OUR OTHER PARTS. THEY DON'T PROMOTE OUR OTHER PARKS. >> THAT BEGS TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS THAT ARE THEY IN THIS FOR THE PROFIT? DO IT ONE MORE TIME ADVISING THE PARK BOARD TO DO THEIR DAMN JOB. >> BUT THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO TALK BECAUSE IT'S A PROFITABLE PARK. >>THAT'S WHY WE WANT THE PARK IS BECAUSE IT'S A PROFITABLE PART, SIMPLE AS THAT. THAT'S MONEY TO THE BOTTOM LINE, I DON T THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON THE SYSTEMS OF GALVESTON TO GUARANTEED PART BOARD JOBS WITH WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY GENERAL FUND MONEY. IF YOU WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A PROFIT-MAKING PART, MAKE THIS A PROFIT-MAKING PART FOR THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON, NOT TO GUARANTEE ADDITIONAL JOBS FOR THE PARK BOARD [BACKGROUND]. [00:55:01] MIKE IS ARGUING THAT IF YOU TAKE THIS PARK AWAY, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOMEBODY THEIR JOBS, I'M GOING TO CROSS THE CITY EMPLOYEES JOBS. WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS THE CITIZENS OF GAUSSIAN ARE GUARANTEEING THE JOBS AT THE PARK BOARD. >> YOU DON'T THINK ANY OF THE CITIZENS GALVESTON ARE WORKING THERE FOR THE PARK BOARD, AND YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THEIR JOB AWAY? >> IF BRIAN NEEDS ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO MANAGE THE PARK THAT'S THE CITY JOB. >> WHETHER WHETHER THE CITIZEN WORKS FOR THE PARK BOARD OF THE CITY. THERE'S A CITIZEN. >> YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THESE PEOPLE WERE FROM, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL LIVE HERE. >> I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS, IT IS NOT INCUMBENT UPON THE SYSTEMS OF GALVESTON TO GUARANTEE JOBS FOR AN ENTITY FOR THE COUNTY. >> THEY'RE GUARANTEEING THEIR JOBS, THEY'RE DOING A JOB THAT IS REQUIRED. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM THE PART THAT PEOPLE OVER THERE CAN LOSE HER JOB. WE TOOK THE COUNTY PARKS AWAY I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY LOST A JOB I DOUBT IT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF YOUR BEING RUN AT THE TIME BUT THAT'S NOT MY WORRY. MY WORRY IS THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON BOTTOM LINE, THE FINANCES [OVERLAPPING]. >> YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THEM? >> I AM NOT. >> BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE PAID. I KNOW THAT PAY MORE THAN CITY EMPLOYEES AND GUARANTEE OF THAT. BUT SECOND, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB, OUR JOB IS TO MANAGE THE CITY'S FINANCES THAT'S OUR NUMBER SECOND, PUBLIC SAFETY IS ALWAYS FIRST. THAT'S OUR SECOND JOB, IS TO MANAGE MOST EFFICIENTLY RESOURCES AND THE ASSETS FOR THE CITY OF GAUSSIAN AND IF WE'RE SO KEEN ON HAVING THE PARK BOARD MANAGE SEAWOLF PARK. WHY DON'T WE GIVE THEM THE ENTIRE PARK SYSTEM IF THEY THINK THEY CAN DO THIS MORE EFFICIENTLY LET THEM MANAGE ALL. [INAUDIBLE] >> [OVERLAPPING] I'M JUST SAYING IF WE CAN SPEND ON TAX ON OUR FARM [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHY DIVIDE OUR PARK SYSTEM. >> WE GOT A LOT OF HOT TAKES IN OUR CITY COUNT WE CAN DO THAT TOO. >> WHY DIVIDE OUR PARK SYSTEM IN TWO THE PARK BOARD COULD SHOW A PROFIT THAT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON. WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? THAT'S OUR JOB. THE PARK SYSTEM IS MENTIONED IN THE CHARTER FOR A REASON. WE CAN'T GIVE AWAY PARK, WE CAN SELL PARK. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE CAN YOU ASK THIS QUESTION IS RIGHT DOWN HERE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE CAN. >> GIVE SOMEBODY ELSE THE CONTROL OVER A PARK. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT'S IT DAVID. >> LET'S TAKE THE SIDE OF THE PARK BOARD AGAINST CITIZENS OF GAUSSIAN. WE DO IT EVERY DAMN TIME WE SIT DOWN HERE. [OVERLAPPING] >> I WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THE THIRD POINT. >> IS YET MY TURN [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S ALWAYS YOUR TURN. [LAUGHTER] >> AS MANY TIMES AS I CAN GET IT YOU'RE RIGHT. MY QUESTION IS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PARK BOARD NOW FOR WHAT? >> SEVEN MONTHS. >> LIKE ALMOST A YEAR NOW AND WHY CAN'T WE GET THE DATA? HOW MANY FTES, HOW MANY PART-TIME? WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ROCKET SCIENCE INFORMATION. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S PEOPLE WHO COLLECT TICKETS WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HALF-A-MILLION DOLLARS. ARE WE PAYING EACH PERSON $100,000 TO COLLECT TICKETS? WHY CAN'T WE GET THE DATA? IT'S NOT HARD. THIS SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR FINANCIALS. >> LET ME SUMMARIZE WHERE WE ARE. THE WAY I SEE IT AT THIS POINT MAKES SOME NOTES. WE HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CITY ON LAND IS BEING MANAGED AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT THE REVENUE STREAMS THERE ARE THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS HERE. WE NEED TO HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN. WE NEED TO SEE FROM THE CITY. I KNOW WE CAN SAY WE CAN DO THESE LESS EMPLOYEES, WE CAN DO THAT. WE NEED TO SEE THIS IN WRITING A DETAILED BUSINESS PLAN ON THIS. WE NEED TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE PARK BOARD SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE THAT AND KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND WITH THE PARK BOARD THAT WOULD ALLOW BRIAN TO GIVE A BUSINESS PLAN THAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE. >> WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE DATA NOW FOR SIX MONTHS. >> I UNDERSTAND [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT SIX MONTHS. >> WE'RE GIVING DIRECTIONS [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT WAS NOT AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. >> NOT EVEN OPEN RECORD [INAUDIBLE] [01:00:11] [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] >> SAYING THE STATEMENT THAT I JUST MADE, I'M SUMMARIZING THE THOUGHTS THAT I HEAR THE COUNCIL RELAYING HERE. BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS SUBJECT AND MOVE TO THE NEXT, LET'S GO AROUND THE TABLE AND LET'S GET YOUR FINAL SUMMATION ON ITS ISSUE. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE MY FINAL SUMMATION ON THIS SUBJECT. BUT ANYWAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I OFTEN HEAR THROWN OUT AT PARK BOARD MEETINGS IS IT'S OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S FEDERAL. I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S STATE. I DON'T CARE WHETHER IT'S STEADY. I DON'T CARE IF IT COMES FROM THEIR TICKET OFFICE. THAT'S THE PEOPLE'S MONEY. IT'S MY MONEY. IT'S YOUR MONEY. IT'S EVERY CITIZEN THAT LIVES IN GALVESTON MONEY. BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S FEE MAN, WE ALL PAY FEDERAL TAXES. WHETHER IT'S STATE, WE ALL PAY STATE PROPERTY TAX, YOU NAME IT. THIS OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY THAT THEY GET THINGS PAID FOR BY OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. IT'S OUR CITIZENS MONEY. AND IT'S TIME THAT WE LOOK AT, I KNOW I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT, BUT IT'S TIME THAT EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE LOOKS AT WHAT'S THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR CITIZENS. THERE'S MY THOUGHTS. >> AS BRIAN STATED THIS PARK IS NOT GEARED TOWARDS THE CITIZENS BECAUSE IF THE PARK BOARD WAS GOING TO PROMOTE THE INNER CITY PARKS, THEN THE CITIZENS WON'T WALK THERE. YOU'RE HAVING A PARK FROM WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THIS PARK IS GEARED TOWARDS TOURISM BECAUSE WE'RE PROMOTING IT AS A TOURISM PLACE. YES, CITIZENS GO THERE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOWS AND NOBODY CAN POINT TO ANYTHING ABOUT THE PARK BOARD WASTING THE CITIZEN'S MONEY. THEY HAD AN AUDIT. THE AUDIT CAME BACK CLEAN. THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. THERE IS NOTHING THAT SHOWS THAT THE MONEY IS BEING SQUANDERED, IS BEING HIDDEN, IS NOT BEING SPENT PROPERLY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING UP WITH, OH MY GOODNESS, THE PEOPLE'S MONEY, IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IT'S ALL THERE MARIE. >> BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITIZENS. >> IT IS. >> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MIND STANDARDS MET 50% OF THE HOT TAX IS GENERATED BY DISTRICT 6 AND WE GET ABOUT 10% OF IT. IT'S NOT BEING USED TO BENEFIT ALL OF US CITIZENS OF GALVESTON. WE ALL HAVE THE EQUAL AMOUNT OF CITIZENS IN OUR DISTRICT. [INAUDIBLE] PRODUCED THE MOST OF THE ANY MORE HOT TAX, BUT YET MY CITIZENS AREN'T BENEFITING. I WANT TO BEG TO DIFFER THAT THE CITIZENS AREN'T BENEFITING FROM THE SERVICE. >> THERE'S SO MANY THINGS ON THE WEST END OF THE HOT TAX CAN BE USED ON TO PROMOTE MARIE. THERE'S LIKE ALL THESE RESORTS AND THERE'S ALL THESE THINGS FOR THE TOURISTS TO DO. IT'S ALL MONEY THAT'S RESTRICTED, MARIE. THE HOT TAX IS RESTRICTED. YOU CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND PUT STREETLIGHTS OR PAVE THE STREETS. >> BUT YOU CAN DO THINGS ON THE BEACH WHICH THEY AREN'T DOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WEST END BEACHES. WHAT'S RIGHT IN THERE SAYING SIGNAGE, SAME MANAGEMENT PLAN? THEY SAID THE WEST END BEACHES ARE OF NO INTEREST. >> I BEG TO DIFFER. I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE WEST END BEACH COMING UP, BUT THE CITY IS THOUGHT TO STOP THE PARK BOARD FROM DOING ANY MORE PERMITS. THE NEXT PERMIT THEY WERE DOING WAS THE WEST END, BUT THE CITY TOLD THEM TO STOP. >> [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE] SINCE YOU'RE NEW TO THE PARK BOARD THE DESIGN AND MANAGEMENT THAT IS NOW BEING DONE. THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING OF DESIGN BEACH ON THE WEST END, THE PARK BOARD WAS ONLY GOING TO DO ONE SMALL SPOT, FROM 7-8 MILE ROAD. I WENT TO THE GLO. I WAS THE ONE WHO GOT 2-8 MILE INCLUDED IN THAT. WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT? [OVERLAPPING] [BACKGROUND] I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT USED TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITIZENS. >> MISLED MY ROUGH FINISHES [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] >> WERE TALKING ABOUT, TIGHTENING UP AND MAYBE POSSIBLY PEOPLE LOSING THEIR JOBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING THAT ALL THE CITY HAS BEEN GETTING IS $300,000, BUT THAT'S ALL THE CITY HAS BEEN PUT INTO THEIR INNER LOCAL. IF THERE'S MORE MONEY THAT THE CITY WANTS, THEN DON'T JUST PUT A NUMBER ON IT, PUT A PERCENTAGE, TELL ME YOU WANT EVERYTHING NET. [01:05:04] I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY. >> WHO DEFINES THAT? >> AND IF YOU CAN'T SEE DETAILED NUMBERS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL NET IS. >> ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS DONE VERY GOOD JOB PRODUCING THESE INNER LOCALS. 2019, EVERYBODY'S KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD. HAVE YOU STARTED YOU'RE INNER LOCAL THIS YEAR? YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO START IT RIGHT UP TO THE HOT CONTRACT. >> THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. WE'VE STILL FIGHTING OVER THE HOT CONTRACT. >> THE HOT CONTRACT IS SIGNED. >> IT'S SIGNED, AND NOW I'M HERE WITH YOU TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY? YOUR PARK BOARD DIRECTOR CAME TO ME AND SAYS, I WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT UNTIL THEY HOT CONTRACT IS DONE. HER WORDS NOT MINE. WE HONORED HER REQUEST. >> IT'S DONE. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. >> IT'S BEEN DONE FOR TWO WEEKS. >> THIS IS THE SOON AS WE COULD GET A MEETING TO GET SOME MARCHING ORDERS FROM YOU GUYS TO PUT THAT ON THE CITY IS VERY DISINGENUOUS. COUNCIL MEMBER, VERY DISINGENUOUS. WE ACTED ON REQUESTS FROM THE PARK BOARD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, IF THAT'S NOT CORRECT, THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN UP WITH HER BOARD NOT WITH THE CITY OF GALVESTON. >> IT WAS WRITTEN AFTER IT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THE HOT CONTRACT WAS GOING TO TAKE PLACE RIGHT AFTER THE HOT CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> INTERLOCAL. >> THIS IS AS SOON AS I COULD GET A MEETING IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TO EVEN BRING IT TO YOU. >> WE BROUGHT THIS MEETING AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD. ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS MIKE? >> NO. >> VERY GOOD. I THOUGHT THIS SUMMATION THING WAS A GOOD IDEA.[LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT. >> SHARLENE, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> I STILL SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN DO AN INCREASE OR WHATEVER IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND I NEED A QUESTION-ANSWERED. THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ONLY IS FOR AND SEAWOLF ARE WE TALKING ABOUT INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT. >> IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE A LOT OF PROBLEMS ON AGENDA THIS WEEK. >> CAN YOU ANSWER NUMBER 5 ON HERE? I THINK FINANCIAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO SEQUENCE PARK OR SPENDING CONTROLS CONSISTENTLY TO LIMITATIONS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY CHARTER. [BACKGROUND] >> JUST ONE SECOND. >> BRIAN. >> NUMBER 5 THE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. >> OUR SPENDING CONTROL IS CONSISTENTLY LIMITATIONS ESTABLISHED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THEY CONSISTENT WITH THE CONTROLS WE HAVE HERE AT THE CITY WE DON'T KNOW THAT. >>YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEIR NUMBERS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THEM. >>WE DON'T KNOW IF THE WAY THEY ACCOUNT FOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY WE DID THINGS. [OVERLAPPING] THEY FOLLOW THE SAME PROCUREMENT RULES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE WRONG, JUST MEANS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IT AND BE ABLE TO EXTRAPOLATE IT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SYSTEMS ARE USING AS COMPARED TO OURS AND WHAT RESTRAINTS SOME THINGS. >> HOW WOULD YOU FIND THAT INFORMATION AS TO WHAT? >> WE'RE DRILLING DOWN ON IT. WE'RE DRILLING DOWN AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO THIS. THESE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE DURING THE INTER LOCAL PROCESS IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION COUNCIL WANTS US TO GO. >> I LIKE THAT WORD DISCUSSION, COLLABORATION, COMMUNICATION AND TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH. ANYWAY, I'M FINISHED. >> OKAY. JOHN. >> WELL, WOW. I MEAN, THIS IS ABOUT SUITABLE FOR. LET'S SEE WHAT WE GET TO THE REST OF THEM, OKAY. >> I MEAN, MY WHOLE THOUGHT HERE IS THAT OUR GOAL THERE IS TO PRODUCE A BUDGET FOR THE CITY WHERE WE CAN TAKE THIS, SOME OF THIS MONEY FROM THE PARK AND REDUCE OUR TAX RATE THAT'S FINE. I'LL KEEP HARPING ABOUT TAX RATE. WE NEED TO TRY TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY OFF THIS PARK AS POSSIBLE. MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CITY IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING ATTRACTIONS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS PARK IS. THE CITY DOES GREAT THINGS I MEAN, YOU ALL THE UPGRADE STAFF OR DO GOOD WORK. I HAVEN'T SEEN US DO A PROJECT LIKE THIS, SO I'M A BIT WORRIED AND I'M GOING TO NEED A LOT TO SHOW ME THAT THE CITY COULD RUN THIS PARK BETTER THAN WHAT THE PARK BOARD HAS DONE. MAYBE YOU ALL CAN I MEAN, IF WE SET YOU TO TASKS, YOU USUALLY DO A PRETTY DAMN GOOD JOB. BUT I NEED TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. THE SECOND THOUGHT IS THAT WE HAVE NEVER REALLY SET GOALS FOR THE PARK'S BOARD. I MEAN, WE ARE HERE TO DIRECT THE PARK BOARD AND WITHOUT DIRECTION, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. IF WE CAN GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION AND GET THE MONEY THAT WE THINK THIS PARK IS WORTH, [01:10:05] I WOULD SAY LET US CONTINUE TO RUN IT AND NOT HAVE THE BURDEN PUT ON THE CITY AND YOU ALL STAFF TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I JUST WANT TO SEE THE NUMBERS AND IF YOU ALL NEED HELP FROM MIKE OR ME OR WHOEVER TO GET NUMBERS FROM THE PARK BOARD, PLEASE USE US TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AND IT'S IN YOUR INBOX SO WE CAN COME BACK AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS HERE AND STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS. I'M DONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, DAVID. >> PARK BOARD TAKES DIRECTION FROM THE CITY VERY WELL AT ALL AND I THINK I CAN SHOW YOU $120,000 IN LEGAL BUILD TO DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING QUITE THE OPPOSITE. BUT THAT NOTWITHSTANDING, THIS IS A CITY PARK. I WANT TO SEE IF THIS IS [INAUDIBLE] ON THIS PARK, YOU SIR, IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S ATTRACTION MEANS CBP ALL BE PROMOTING IT. I THINK THEY WOULD I THINK THEY DO A FINE JOB OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S EQUAL PARTIES TO PAY THEM ADDITIONAL TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE THE PARK BOARD TO DO THEIR JOB THEY NEED TO MAKE ANY PROFIT HERE AND THERE. THAT'S NOT A PROFIT-MAKING ORGANIZATION, THEY ARE TAX FUNDED ENTITY, ASSISTANCE IN GALVESTON. THIS BODY RIGHT HERE NEEDS TO REFOCUS ITSELF ON THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON, NOT WHAT MAKES THE PARK MORE PROFITABLE. THANK YOU. >> EVERYONE I JUST WANTED TO SEE JUST SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE CITY COULD DO OUT THERE ON ALL OF THESE UPSET IT FOR SURE BEACH, BUT IT GOES FOR STUART PARK AND COLLINEARITY SPEECH BUT THE THING IS, ONCE SOMETHING I'LL DO THE RESIDENTS CAN BENEFIT FROM NOT MONETARILY, NOT TAX BREAK WISE, WHATEVER BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IT TO WHERE IT'S ADDED TO THEIR DAILY ROUTINE, NOT MONTHLY ROUTINES OVER WE'LL PARK AND WE GO TO SEWARD BEACH. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT ATTRACTION FOR YOUR RESIDENT TO ONE AND PUT THAT IN THERE. I GO TO THE NAVAL MUSEUM ONCE A YEAR, ONCE EVERY OTHER YEAR BUT WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE ME OUT THERE ONCE A MONTH, ONCE A SEASON. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE IDEA FOR MOST OF THESE, ALL OF THESE IS WITH STUART BEACH, STUART PARK AND DELAWARE PARK AND E SPEECH IS WHAT CAN BE YEAR-ROUND ATTRACTIONS TO BRING THESE PEOPLE YEAR AROUND TO THESE ATTRACTIONS AND RESIDENTS IS WHAT I'M MORE SO TALKING ABOUT THAT'S GOING TO BASICALLY BENEFIT TOURISM, RIGHT? WE'D HAVE THESE THINGS WHERE RESIDENTS AND IT SHOULD GENERATE TOURISM BOARD. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THOSE SO CAN I LEAVE NOW? I;M JOKING [LAUGHTER] >> I DON'T THINK I SAID I AM FORCING THE BUSINESS PLAN. >> YES. I THINK WE HAVE THE OUTLINE OF MY THOUGHTS THAT I PRESENTED BEFORE WE START OUR SUMMATION SEEMS TO BE STILL IN PLACE. WE NEED TO SEE A BUSINESS PLAN. BRIAN NEED TO GET THE DETAILS FROM THE PARK BOARD SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THIS COUNCIL CAN UNDERSTAND THE DETAILS OF THAT AND STAFF CAN. I'D LIKE TO KNOW A TIMELINE FROM YOU, BRIAN SO WE CAN BRING THIS BACK. DO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AT THIS POINT? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE US ALL THAT LONG, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU NEXT WEEK, BUT I WOULD THINK ABOUT THE MAIN MEETING COULD DEFINITELY HAPPEN IF NOT BEFORE. >>NOW THAT'LL BE THE MAIN MEETING FOR SURE. OKAY. >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. WOULD THAT PLAN BE BASED ON YOU RECEIVING THE BREAKDOWN OF THE SALARIES? >>I JUST BRYSON JUST HANDED IT TO THE GROUP, BUT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT YOUR QUESTIONS ON THIS ROUGH, BUT WE'LL GET TO IT. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU COUNCIL, LET'S MOVE NELLY TO ITEM 3B-12 THE FUTURE. >> ALRIGHT, FUTURE ITEM 3B-12 FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND MANAGEMENT OF STUART BEACH PARK, INCLUDING A PAVILION, AMENITIES, AND THE FUTURE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS AND METHODS TO PURSUE SUCH DEVELOPMENT. >> VERY GOOD. TOUCHED ON SOME OF THESE OVERARCHING THOUGHTS WITH OUR PAST DISCUSSION. BRIAN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ON THIS? >> NO THIS ONE WE JUST NEED A DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO PURSUE THIS IN YOUR LOCAL AGREEMENT. >> MIKE, I'M GOING OVER IT WITH YOU. DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ON THAT? >>STUART BEACH LIKE MARIE HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, I'M NEW TO THE COUNCIL. I'M NOT PRIVY FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS SUBJECT HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. I HOPE THAT WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND FIND BUT FUTURE OF STUART BEACH THAT BENEFITS THE RESIDENTS AND THE TOURISM COMMUNITY. [01:15:02] THE WAY IT SITS NOW IS A VAST PARKING LOT AND A SMALL AMENITIES CONCESSION BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE COULD BE MUCH GREATER. >> WELL, I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO SOMEWHERE FOR WINDSTORM BEACH AS IT USED TO BE, SUCH, IT HAD SO MANY AMENITIES FOR CITIZENS. PEOPLE USE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS. BUT ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PROCESSES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS. WE'VE HAD A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THAT AND THEY HAVE SENT OUT TO REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION. I ACTUALLY DID A RECORDS REQUESTS TO FIND OUT WHO BID ON THE SECOND RFI. WHICH MAKES ME QUESTION WHAT THE RFI LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE WE GOT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED TO THE FIRST ONLY ONE QUALIFIED BECAUSE THE PERSON DIDN'T MAKE THE MANDATORY MEETING, RESPONDING AND THEIR HOTEL DEVELOPER SO I THOUGHT WE WENT THIS THAT LIKE QUITE SOME TIME AGO. WHY IS IT WE'RE STILL GETTING WHEN WE'RE REQUESTING FOR PROPOSALS, THE SAME HOTEL DEVELOPERS BIDDING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF STORAGE BEACH. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO CITYWIDE OR THE CITY INSTRUCTING THE PARK BOARD. I MEAN TO ME, BUT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A PARKING LOT SO FOR THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE VARIANT WHERE WE CAN HAVE MUSIC AND WHATNOT. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE BACK TO HOTEL DEVELOPERS AGAIN. I'M CONFUSED THAT WE ALWAYS SEEM TO NOT MOVE ANYWHERE AND I'M REALLY SO TIRED OF TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HOW MANY MEETINGS THAT WE HAD DEDICATED TO THE BOARD NOW? I MEAN, I'M SURE NOW I CAN COUNT THEM UP AND IT WOULD BE WHAT WOULD YOU GUESS OFF THE TOP YOUR HEAD NOW 25 [OVERLAPPING]. >> DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING THE CARDBOARD HAD BEEN GOING ON SINCE I CAME ON TO COUNCIL IN 2014. >> WELL, I'LL SAY THE SAME THING HAVEN'T BEEN ON COUNCIL AND PREVIOUSLY, A LOT OF THE SAME SUBJECTS WERE TALKING ABOUT WERE THE SAME SUBJECTS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN 12 TO 14. BUT I'M CURIOUS WHAT ON THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE WHY WE'RE SENDING OUT FOR REQUESTS OF INFORMATION AND STILL GETTING BACK HOTEL DEVELOPMENT, BIDS, PROPOSALS. >> ANY FUTURE THOUGHTS? ANY THOUGHTS ON STUART BEACH? DAVID. >> I'M NOT COLLISION NO I'M FINISHED, BUT I WILL BE COMING BACK. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] >> COUNCIL MEMBER SCHWARZENEGGER. BACK [LAUGHTER] YEAR-AND-A-HALF AGO, THE MAYOR ASKED ME TO STAND UP AND JOIN ART BOARD CITY TASK-FORCE, TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF STUART BEACH, SOMETHING WE COULD DO. WE PRESENTED THAT REPORT IN JUNE OF 2022. WE SAW THAT REPORT COME RIGHT BACK TO US, VIRTUALLY UNCHANGED; I THINK WHAT'S IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR? I FORGET WHEN IT WAS. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER AND TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF STUART BEACH. THIS IS A CITY PARK. CITIES TO TAKE CONTROL OF IT. THIS CITY NEEDS DEMONSTRATE THAT HE CAN MANAGE THIS BARK AS A PARK AS A PUBLIC AMENITY, AND YOU CAN MAKE MONEY ON IT, YOU MAKE MONEY ON IT, THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY COMING THROUGH STUART BEACH AND MOST OF IT IS PARKING; WHETHER WE CAN FIND A PARKING DECK AND DO OTHER THINGS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF MONEY COMING THROUGH IT. THE CITY IS NOT SEEING ANY HAVEN IT'S BEACHES HAVE FREES, MOSTLY ARE RESTRICTED, BUT WE'RE NOT SEEING DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE EITHER. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DAMP OF INDIAN COME DOWN. THE REASON IS, BEACH PATROL IS HOLED UP IN THERE. [LAUGHTER] BEACH PATROL IS WHOLLY FUNDED BY CITY TAX MONEY. PEOPLE CAN CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, CITY TAXES PAY FOR BEACH CONTROL. THEY NEED TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LIVE AND THIS FALL AND YOU NEED TO TAKE THAT PAVILION DOWN. I THINK IT'S AN EYESORE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO EVEN MAKE A STAB AT REHABBING IT AND MAYBE WE CAN'T MAKE WE CAN, IT'S AN EYESORE, IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN. YOU NEED TO INFORM THEM, IT 'S COMING DOWN THIS FALL; [01:20:02] TAKE IT DOWN AND FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO LIVE, WE CAN FIND THEM A PLACE TO LIVE. WE'RE ALL WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO DO THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BEACH PATROL ISN'T FITTING IN THEIR TRUCK SALE ON THE BEACH BUT WE NEED TO TAKE THAT DOWN AND YOU NEED TO TAKE CONTROLS TO STEWARD BEACH AND TURN IT INTO A USABLE PARK. JOHN? >> I'M CONFUSED ON THAT, DAVID. >> SURE. >>DIDN'T THE CITY REQUEST A ENGINEERING STUDY ON THAT BUILDING. [NOISE] SEE IT'S VISIBLE? >> YEAH. >> WASN'T THE CITY THAT DIDN'T WANT TO DEMO IT? >> NO, BECAUSE YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS VERY THING. [LAUGHTER] THERE'S MAYBE A YEAR AGO THAT IF YOU RECALL, IF YOU'RE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SAID LET'S NOT WASTE OF MONEY ON ENGINEERING STUDY? >> EXACTLY. >> YES, I'M WITH YOU ON THAT BUT I SAID IT WAS WORTH LOOKING AT TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE AND WE DID IT, WE DID A STUDY ON IT. CAN IT BE SAFE? >> YEAH, IT CAN BE. >> IT'S BASICALLY A BIG CONCRETE STRUCTURE BUT IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IS THAT WELL,. >> THAT'S THE QUESTION. LET'S JUST USE YOUR COUNCIL AND COUNCIL HAS NOT MADE THAT DECISION. IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT IN FRONT OF THEM TO MAKE THAT DECISION. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A POSITION THAT, WE NEED TO START DOING THAT STUFF. WHEN YOU START BRINGING THINGS LIKE THAT TO COUNCIL TO VOTE ON, I MEAN, IT'S THAT EASY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO, LET'S GET STUFF DONE, I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TORN THAT THING NOW, TWO YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHY THESE DECISIONS CAN'T BE MADE. >> I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU. >> BUT IT'S NOT FAR MORE THING, IT'S A COUNTER DECISION, IT'S 100% COUNCIL DECISION. >> I WISH THAT WERE TRUE THE WAY YOU GUYS [OVERLAPPING] >> BRIAN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WE MADE DECISION TO TEAR THAT BUILDING DOWN, WOULD IT HAPPEN? >> YEAH. >> OKAY, BRING IT IN COUNCIL. >> PUT IT ON THE [OVERLAPPING] >> GET IT DONE. >> BUT AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A YES-NO ANSWER. ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME YOU COULD TEAR A BUILDING DOWN?, YES, YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO TELL PETER AND TRY TO WORK WITH HIM. I WOULD BUT COUNSELING WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT. IF YOU TELL ME BRIAN, FIND A HOME FOR PETER DAVIS AND HIS LIFEGUARDS AND GET THAT PAVILION DOWN, I'LL DO IT, BUT YOU CAN'T JUST SAY TEAR DOWN THE PAVILION, THERE'S A MOVING PIECE TO THAT. >> THEN, WE NEED THE ITEMS IN FRONT OF US TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. WE HAVE CONTINUED TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE ALONG WITH MANY OTHER ONE AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS TALKING ABOUT STUART BEACH, WE'VE GOT SOME MOBILE AMENITIES OUT THERE. THIS IS NOT THE PARK'S WORKS FAULT, THIS IS CITY COUNCIL'S ISSUE, WE MAKE DECISIONS HERE, AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT. >> WE DON'T CONTROL THE PARK WE OWN THE PARK. >> WE DO CONTROL THE PART, WE CONTROL THAT PARK. >> GENTLEMEN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE STUART BEACH AND PAVILION ON THE AGENDA. >> IF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PETER AND WHERE WE DO WITH THE LIFEGUARDS, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE TOO. WE NEED TO KNOW THOSE ISSUES SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ON THIS. >> IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS LOCATED IN THAT BUILDING, YOU'D TAKE YOU WOULD TELL ME, BRIAN, WE'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THAT BUILDING? THAT BUILDING WOULD BE TORN DOWN AND I WOULD FIND A PLACE FOR THEM TO OPERATE OUT OF THAT SAFE AND EFFICIENT FOR THEM TO DO IT. I HAVE TO HAVE THAT FROM YOU GUYS. YOU CAN'T TELL ME TO GO TEAR DOWN A BUILDING AND THEN IT'S THEN WORRY ABOUT PETER, THAT'S NOT BEING FAIR TO HIM. >> THERE'S BUILDING FOR RENT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WE CAN PUT THEM THERE. >> WE'VE GOT ANOTHER PLAN EVEN FOR THAT, JOHN'S RIGHT ON THAT, WE NEED TO STEP UP, THE CITY DOES AND GIVE DIRECTION. >> NO QUESTIONS ASKED HERE. >>PETERS AND BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS. THIS IS TO DISCUSS TODAY, JOHN. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS IT, AND BRIAN, I WANT YOU TO EXPAND ON SOME THOUGHTS ON THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS. >> WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH SOME OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES ON A JOINT FACILITY, JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE; JUST A HOLIDAY AND SEAWALL THAT CAN INCLUDE A FIRE STATION, BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS AND I UNDERSTAND THE BEACH PATROL WANTS TO REMAIN ON THE BEACH. THAT'S NOT A SUBJECT THAT I'M DIVING INTO BECAUSE I DON'T MANAGE BEACH PATROL. BUT I'M TELLING YOU THE CITY COULD AVAIL ITSELF TO THAT END AND WE HAVE A GOOD PARTNER AT UTMB AT THIS POINT, WE POSSIBLY HAVE SOME FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THIS; POSSIBLY, I MEAN, IT'S DOWN THE ROAD. WE HAVE OTHER PARTNERS, MAYBE EVEN WITH THE STATE, TO BUILD A HURRICANE 45 FACILITY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE FOLKS? I AM NEVER GOING TO ARGUE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME PRESENCE ON THE STEWARD BEACH FOR THEIR LIFE GUARDING PROGRAM. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THEIR HEADQUARTERS HAS TO BE ON THE BEACH, I BELIEVE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE, [01:25:02] AND THINGS LIKE THAT PROBABLY OUGHT TO NOT BE IN HARM'S WAY. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE THINGS IRONED OUT AND WE CAN GO TEAR DOWN THE PAVILION, WE DID THAT AT SEAWOLF PARK AND WE STILL GOT THIS BLANK AREA AT SEAWOLF PARK SITTING THERE. YOU GOT TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND TELL ME TO FIGURE IT OUT, I'LL FIGURE IT OUT. >> BRIAN, JUST BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT TOPIC, JOHN HAS MORE THOUGHTS ON THAT APPROACH AND THEN MARIE, THAT APPROACH IS WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THAT. >> THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT, AND THERE MAY BE A MULTI-TIERED FUNDING MECHANISM? IT'S ALL GOING TO DEPEND ON SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON BUT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEED FOR A FIRE STATION OUT THERE AS WELL. YOU TMP HAS A SPECIFIC NEED AS WELL IN THEIR FACILITIES PLAN; THEY'RE GREAT PARTNERS, WE HAD A GREAT MEETING WITH THEM EARLIER THIS WEEK. I THINK WE ARE WELL ALONG THE WAY OF HAVING SOLUTIONS OUT THERE. >> JOHN, GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> JUST TO GET BACK ON STUART BEACH OVERALL. WE SAT IN MEETINGS FOR A YEAR [OVERLAPPING] FOR THIS TASK FORCE. LOT OF GREAT IDEAS IN THERE. BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DIDN'T REALLY MAKE ANY DECISIONS. >> I FEEL LIKE WE DID, AND THEN THEY GOT THROWN BACK ON OUR FACE. >> WELL, AGAIN, WE MAKE DECISIONS HERE ON COUNCIL. WE NEED TO PUT THOSE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TO TAKE VOTES ON. THEN IF THEY DON'T CARRY OUT OUR DECISIONS THEN WE NEED TO DO OTHER THINGS, BUT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO PUT A PARKING DECK OUT THERE AND GET THOSE CARS OFF THE BEACH. I'M ALL FOR GETTING CARS OFF BEACH. LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. THERE'S A LOT OF CARS PARKED ON THAT BEACH. LOT OF PROPERTY OUT THERE THAT CAN BE USED OTHER WAYS THAN PARKING CARS ON. AGAIN, WE NEED THIS INFORMATION BROUGHT TO US SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S TAKING THIS LONG TO DO THIS. >> IF WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, COUNCIL, THE DECISION HAS TO BE TO GIVE STAFF THE ABILITY TO GO OVER THERE AND TO WORK OUT A PLAN FOR STEWARD BEACH AND BRING THAT FORWARD. >> IT'S YOUR ASSET. THAT DECISION IS MADE BY COUNSEL WHAT YOU WANT THERE AND DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> RIGHT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON BECAUSE I LIKED TH IS IDEA OF COMBINING. BUT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE WITH THE LIFEGUARDS, I WENT IN AND DID RESEARCH ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THE MAJORITY OF LIFEGUARD OPERATION BUILDINGS ARE NOT ON THE BEACH BECAUSE IT TAKES TOO MUCH DAMAGE. >> PETER AND I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THAT. I THINK PETER'S BIG CONCERN IS THIS JUNIOR GARDEN PROGRAM, WHICH I NEED TO DO SOME DEEPER DIVE INTO JUNIOR GUARD AND SEE WHY WE DO IT, THE POSITIVES OF IT, WHICH I'M SURE THERE'S A BUNCH OF IT AND THAT WAY WE CAN BETTER CRAFT A SOLUTION FOR WHAT THEY NEED. >> BUT IF WE GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT IDEA, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE. YOU CAN PUT A JUNIOR LIFEGUARDS THING ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PARKING LOT. I MEAN, THERE'S WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. >> COUNCIL, ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE ENGINEER REPORT? MAYBE I DIDN'T SEE IT. CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT? >> THE REPORT NEVER GOT DONE BECAUSE WE HAD AN ENGINEERING FIRM AND THE PARK BOARD AND THEN IN TURN HAD THE SAME ENGINEERING FIRM AND THERE WAS A CONFLICT. WHAT WE DID WAS WE HAD ARCHITECTS LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE. BUILDING A SALAD BOWL. IT WAS $1 FIGURE ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE LEFT IT. MUCH LIKE CARVILLE STADIUM, ANY CONCRETE STRUCTURE SALVAGEABLE? I THINK THE ISSUE WAS STEWARD BEACH PAVILION IS NOT NECESSARILY STRUCTURAL. I THINK THE ISSUE WITH STEWARD BEACH PAVILION IS IT FAILING TO FUNCTION AND FOR ITS INTENDED OR NEEDED PURPOSES. IF IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING FOR INTENDED PURPOSES, REGARDLESS OF THE CONDITION OF THE PAVILION, THEN WE NEED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. ANY CONCRETE STRUCTURE CAN BE SALVAGED, JUST GO RIGHT OVER 27TH STREET AND LOOK AT IT. >> I UNDERSTAND. I'M ONE OF THOSE IN THE CAMP OF THAT THING NEEDS TO COME DOWN. IT SHOULD HAVE COME DOWN. >> IT MAY VERY WELL BE. BUT I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE REASON IT NEEDS TO COME DOWN IS BECAUSE IT NO LONGER SUITS THE NEEDS OF THAT PARK. NOT NECESSARILY, BUT TO USE THE FACT THAT IT'S SOMEHOW FALLING DOWN AND STUFF, IT HAS SOME DEFICIENCIES WITHOUT A DOUBT, BUT TOTALLY EVERYTHING'S CORRECT. AS JOHN PAUL SAID, IF WE FOLLOWED THAT PHILOSOPHY, WE HAVE ALL NEW BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE TRUST ME, THOSE ARE NOT EASY BUILDINGS TO MAINTAIN OR REMODEL OR ANYTHING ELSE. [01:30:03] SAME THING WITH THIS BUILDING. WE WOULD HAVE TORN THIS BUILDING DOWN A LONG TIME AGO AND BUILT A NEW ONE. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE QUESTION IS, THE QUESTION IS, DOES THAT BUILDING, IS IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT? DOES IT SUIT THE NEEDS? DOESN'T INCLUDE EVERYTHING WE NEED OUT THERE? IS IT WHAT WE WANT AT OUR PARK? THERE IS NO SHAME IN SAYING THAT BUILDING DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE AND THAT'S FINE. TEAR IT DOWN AND GET IT GOING. I THINK WE GOT WRAPPED UP IN BUILDING ASSESSMENTS AND CONDITIONS AND ALL THAT. SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE STADIUM AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE'RE AN OLD CITY, EVERYTHING WE HAVE IS OLD. I THINK THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE WHETHER THINGS FUNCTION AS WE WANT THEM TO OR NOT? NOT NECESSARILY, CAN THEY BE FIXED OR NOT? >> THERE IS NO ENGINEER REPORT? >> I BELIEVE NO, NOT BY THE CITY. >> NO. I THINK THE PARK BOARD HAS DONE ENGINEERING REPORT ON THAT. ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS, BRYAN, THIS GOLF CART TRUCK, THAT'S CITY PROPERTY CORRECT? >> YES, IT'S TRUE. >> AS A KID, I REMEMBER A BUNCH OF COOL STUFF TO GO AND DO OUT THERE. WE HAVE THE FOOTPRINT AND WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF JUST GETTING BACK TO WHERE THERE WAS RETAIL RESTAURANT, ALL KINDS OF AMENITIES FOR NOT ONLY PUBLIC, BUT I USED TO GO WITH MY GRANDFATHER ALL THE TIME OF THE PATIO BAR THAT WAS DOWN THERE. WHAT'S THE PROCESS OF PACKING THAT? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE POLICY DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL SHOULD DIRECT THE PARK FOR IT THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE RETAIL DEVELOPMENT AND AMENITIES OUT THERE. I THINK IT'S DONE THROUGH A COMPETITIVE RFP PROCESS. TO DEVELOP THAT, YOU IDENTIFY THE AREA, YOU'D HAVE SOME IDEAS AND YOU PUT IT OUT THERE. NONE OF THAT'S FOR IT, IT JUST NEED TO GET DONE. WE TRIP ON OURSELVES OUT THERE. WELL, BUT IS THAT THE BEST USE OR DO WE REALLY KNOW WE WANT THIS? NO, WE REALLY WOULD RATHER DO THIS FIRST. WERE JUST CHURNING, WE'RE CAVITATED ON THIS. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANT OUT THERE? I THINK THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF AN RFP TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >> WILLIAM, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, REMEMBER, THAT IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS. I'VE HEARD YOU SAY A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THESE ARE PUBLIC PARKS AND YOU WANT AMENITIES FOR THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT IS A PRIVATE BUSINESS, 100 PERCENT. >> JUST LIKE VILLA GARDENS. >> THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARK? >> NO, BUT AT ONE TIME IT WAS. >> IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARK. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >>DON'T CONFUSE ME, I'M ON THE SAME PAGE WITH YOU. >> WE ALSO OPERATE CONSISTENTLY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. >> ISN'T A PUBLIC? I GUESS IT IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARK, BUT IT'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. >> I THINK THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH IS, I THINK THE PARK WAS WORTH THE TROUBLE, SO ONE OR TWO. >> TWO. >> THE FACT THAT THERE'S PRIVATE BUSINESS THERE, BUT THEY ARE CONCESSIONAIRE. I WOULDN'T LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING SOMEONE SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO BUILD A RESTAURANT IN YOUR PARK. >> THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING. >> YOU HAVE HEARD THE MESSAGE[LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WILLIAM'S BRINGING UP IS THE OLD WATER SLIDE DOWN THERE IN THE BAR. THOSE WERE PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS BUILDING THOSE AMENITIES. REMEMBER WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR HERE WHEN YOU [INAUDIBLE]. >> SAME THING AS THE HELICOPTER RIDE OUT THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE NOT. >> I'M ALL FOR IT. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, BUT THAT IS WHERE HE TALKED ABOUT RFPS AND RFI'S. I MEAN, THOSE WERE JUST HOTELIERS. ONE OF THOSE RF, WHATEVER THEY WENT OUT WORK, WAS A RETAIL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TOO. THEY DO OWN SOME HOTELS, BUT THEY ALSO DO COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL. >> I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS THE SAME PEOPLE. >> WELL, IT'S A HARD ENVIRONMENT TO WORK IN. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO THIS. IF YOU CAN HAVE IN A HOTEL AMENITY WITH IT. >> IF THERE A DIFFERENCE, IT'S DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BEACH CONCESSIONS? THE UMBRELLA OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE FOR 25 YEARS. THERE IS REALLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST. >> THAT'S NOT A CAPITAL, IT'S AN EXPENDITURE. YOU ARE RIGHT, WE HAVE TO WAIT AND TALK ABOUT WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO PUT INTO CAPITAL DOWN THERE. BECAUSE WE BUILD THE PARKING DECK. THERE'S A CAPITAL EXPENDITURE. SAME WOULD HAPPEN IF WE HAVE A BEACH PATROL FACILITY? THAT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A RESTAURANT SPACE, TO HAVE A RETAIL SPACE. WE DID GO OVER THAT IN THE TASK FORCE. I THINK WE'VE GOT HUNG UP ON THAT HOTEL THING, BUT WE DID SAY THAT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUSH FORWARD ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE PARKING DECK CLOSE TO THE SEAWALL, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS CLOSE TO THIS GUY PLUS. I BELIEVE THAT WAS YOUR IDEA AND THAT'S JUST RIGHT. [01:35:02] [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> BUT I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK SERIOUSLY AT THAT AND FUNDING BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE REVENUE TO FUND IT. SURELY BOUNDED OUT OF HOW WE DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA TO SAY YES, DO THAT. WELL, WE WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS THE CONCEPT OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND STEWARD, MAKING IT MORE OF A CITY PARK. >> MIGHT MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT. MR. MAXWELL SAID SOMETHING, THAT'S REPEATED A 17 TIMES. IF YOU WANT A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT A PUBLIC, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS SOMETHING ELSE. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND FIND A THIRD-PARTY VENDOR TO DO THIS, THE CITY CAN DO IT. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ENTITY IN-BETWEEN US AND THAT CONTRACTOR. THIS IS A PUBLIC ASSET, IF WE WANT TO DEVELOP IT WITH WHO WANT TO LOOK TO GETTING A PRIVATE DEVELOPER AND HELP US BUILD IT. THAT'S WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO. NOT THEY, WE OUGHT TO DO IT. >> COUNCIL WE'RE NOT TO JOHN'S COMMENTS EARLIER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE THIS SUBJECT UNTIL WE GIVE DIRECTION ON STEWARD PARK. NOW WE NEED TO OPEN THAT UP. WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE WANT DOWN THERE, THE BEACH PATROLS HEADQUARTERS, AND HOW WE WANT THEM TO LOOK AT IT JUST BECAUSE WE GIVE DIRECTION ON HOW WE MAY WANT TO SEE STEWARD BEACH PARK, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S LOCKED IN STONE. WE'LL COME BACK AND I WOULD WANT TO PURSUE THAT INFORMATION BROUGHT BACK TO US EITHER FROM THE PARK BOARD OR FOR A STAMP. THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL HERE. >> BUT YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE DIRECTION. THEN YOU JUST SAID IT'S NOT LOCKED IN STONE. >> IT'S NOT. >> THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO JUST KEEP GOING AROUND. >> NO. >> MEMORY BECAUSE THERE'S NO DIRECTION TO GO FIGURE THIS OUT, AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. THESE ARE YOUR ONLY OPTIONS THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE. >> BUT WE NEED TO GIVE THE DIRECTION AND WE CAN'T LEAVE THIS SUBJECT UNTIL WE DO SOMETHING THAT BRINGS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM BACK TO US. >> SO FAR, WE'VE AGREED THAT STEWARD BEACH IS LOCATED AT 6TH IN SEAWALL. [LAUGHTER] >> LET'S TAKE THE BEACH PATROL OF HEADQUARTERS. PERSONALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK SERIOUSLY ABOUT MOVING THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES, COMMAND CENTER AND ALL OF THAT ON THE SEAWALL OUT OF HARM'S WAY. I DO REALIZE THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME TYPE OF FACILITY ON THE SAND FOR THE BEACH PATROL. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WORKING WITH THE PART BOARD COULD DETERMINE AND INCORPORATE THAT IN WHATEVER WE DO ON THE SAND DOWN THERE. THAT'S MY FEELING. LET'S TALK ABOUT BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS. WILLIAM, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? >> WELL, I HATE TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT I CAN BARELY EVEN SWIM AND THERE'S EXPERTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHERE EXACTLY THE SOLUTION WILL BE LIKE TO PUT BEACH PATROLS, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE SAND AND IS THAT STUART BEACH, IT'S SUPER PACKED ON THE HOLIDAYS. I KNOW THERE IS AN IMPORTANCE OF BEING ON THE SAND. >> BUT YOUR LIFE GUARDS ARE ON THE SAME. >> IT'S JUST STUART BEACHES IS THERE'S ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE AT ANY GIVEN HOLIDAY OR WEEKEND, BUT I FEEL LIKE, [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT BRIAN WAS SAYING. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WAS BEING PREACHED ON THAT. >> [INAUDIBLE] I'M SORRY. >> IF WE WEREN'T ON THE SAND I JUST REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THERE WOULD BE LOCATED IT MAY ANSWER THEIR QUESTION AND THEN GO FROM THERE. >> THERE IS A PLAN THAT'S BEEN. >> WE ARE WORKING ON IT. > ON THAT BEACH PATROL? >> YES SIR. DAVID. >> I KNOW THAT YOU'D WANT TO SELL THE SAND. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND DISPATCHERS NEED TO BE ON THE SAND. THE GBD, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEIR DISPATCHERS AREN'T ON-SITE. THEY'RE ON SOME PLACE ELSE BUT THEY COMMUNICATE. I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT READY ACCESS. BUT YOU DISPARAGE THE MILLIMOLE OF ENTITIES AND FROM DOCUMENTED. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]. >> VERY WELL. IT'S A VERY GOOD DESIGN, THEY'VE WORKED VERY WELL. YOU DON'T NEED BEACH PATROL PRESENCE DOWN THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE BEACH PATROL PRESENCE DOWN THERE 12 MONTHS A YEAR. YOU DON'T HAVE IN JANUARY. WE PROBABLY NEED IT 12 MONTHS A YEAR, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION ALTOGETHER. BUT YOU HAVE A TRAILER DOWN THERE TO DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T RUN OUT OF THE OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS TO STUART BEACH AND RUN OUT TO SAVE A LIFE. THOSE ARE THE GUYS ON THE FRONT LINE. [01:40:02] THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE DOING THAT, SAVING LIVES. GETTING PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE]. GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THE WATER. THEY'VE GOT THEIR FACILITY, IT'S A TOWER. IT'S NOT ONE I'D WANT TO WORK IN, BUT THEY'VE GOT IT. THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT AND THEY NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON THAT. THE BEACH PATROL, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFF, THE MANAGEMENT STAFF, THEY WORK OUT ON TRUCKS AND THEY ROLL A LOT OF IT ON THE SAND, BUT THEY DON'T ROLL THE BALL FIRST DOWN ONTO THE QUESTION PARENTS AND SO FORTH. THEY ROLL ON THE SEA WALL. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN'T OPERATE OUT OF A BRICK-AND-MORTAR FACILITY THAT ISN'T ON THE BEACH. THE JUNIOR GUARD GOT MENTIONED. THIS SHOULD NOT TURN ON THE JUNIOR GUARD. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS. I'M LEAST BIT CONNECTED SO I DON'T WHAT IT COSTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GET OUT OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MONEY IN IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ITS TRUE PURPOSES OTHER THAN AS A SUMMER GUARD CAMP, IT'S A GREAT THING TO TEACH KIDS. YOU PROBABLY SAVE AS MANY LIVES THROUGH TEACHING THEM THE AQUATIC SKILLS. >> IT BENEFITS OUR CITIZENS. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT. THAT'S THE TROUBLE. >> [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] >> OH, NO, IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, BUT I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO BE [NOISE] I'M NOT SURE HOW WE OUGHT TO BE FUNDING THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS FUNDED. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PROFIT IN IT. IS IT FREE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW, BUT IT SHOULDN'T GUIDE WHAT THE BEACH PATROL IS DOING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, WHAT THEIR PRIMARY FUNCTION IS. YOU DON'T NEED A FACILITY ON THE BEACH FOR THE JUNIOR GUARD BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT FUNCTION THAT BEACH PATROL PROVIDES. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A JUNIOR GUARD, YOU'RE GOING TO TEACH HIM ON THE BEACH. BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU NEED TO SEPARATE HARD STRUCTURE TO DO THAT. THAT NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED. BUT THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES FOR CHIEF DAVIS, DISCHARGE BADGES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK WHERE THEY ROLL ON. IF THEY ROLL OUT OF THAT BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE EMERALD, I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE. NO, I WOULDN'T RUN THE JUNIOR GUARD OUT THERE, BUT AGAIN, THAT SHOULDN'T BE YOUR FOCUS. THANK YOU, DAVID. JOHN. >> I AGREE WITH ALL THAT. I DON'T HAVE A VIEW FROM YOUR OFFICE ON THE BEACH IS GREAT. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NECESSARY AND I LOOK AT STUFF AND MORE A LITTLE MORE PRACTICAL. IF WE CAN HAVE A NICE FACILITY AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT BENEFITS THE CITY THAT'S THE ROUTE TO GO. THE JUNIOR GUARD PROGRAM IS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT COSTS OR MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW THAT IT PRODUCES SOME GREAT PEOPLE THAT COME OUT OF THAT PROGRAM. THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS HERE THAT LIVE IN THE GALVESTON THAT GO THROUGH THAT PROGRAM. FOR NOW WE NEED MORE PROGRAMS LIKE THAT. IF THEY HAVE NEEDS AND THOSE NEEDS NEED TO BE ON THE BEACH, THEN WE NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE NEEDS. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE TO OFFICE THE WHOLE STAFF OUT OF A FACILITY THAT IS ON THE SAND. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT MAKES SENSE AND GO IN THAT DIRECTION. >> CAN I ADD ONE QUICK THING? >> SURE. >> WE MEAN THAT WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT AN INTERIM SOLUTION BECAUSE LETTING IT SIT THERE UNTIL WE'RE COMPLETELY DONE WITH AN INCARCERATION. >> I AGREE THAT THAT'S NOT IT. THAT'S NOT GOOD. >> THAT'S NOT SMART TOMORROW'S HUNDRED PERCENT SOLUTION. >> NOW WITHOUT SPENDING MORE MONEY ON THAT I BELIEVE. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. >> SHARON ON THE BEACH PATROL. >> I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE ENEMITIES THAT SHOULD BE OUT THERE. THAT'D BE FAMILY-ORIENTED, AND SHOULD BENEFIT OUR CITIZENS. AS FAR AS THE BEACH PATROL, I THINK [NOISE] IT WOULD BE GREAT TO COMMUNICATE WITH PETER AS TO THE REASONS WHY HE THINKS IT'S IMPORTANT OR NEEDS IT THERE. BUT I ALSO HAD IN MIND THAT IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO A SMALLER SUBSTATION ON THE BEACH ANYWHERE ELSE TOWARDS THAT WEST AND JUST TO THROW OUT THERE. [LAUGHTER] >> WE HAVE NO LIFEGUARDS. >> OH YEAH. WE'VE PRODUCED 50 PERCENT OF THE HOT TAX. [OVERLAPPING] >> WITH THE BUILDING BEING ON THE BEACH, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND INPUT FROM THAT ENTITY ON THERE. WE'LL GET SOMETHING TOWARDS THE WEST OR MIDDLE. >> THANK YOU SHARON. MIKE. >> I LIKE BRIAN'S PROPOSAL. I THINK THAT THE BEACH PATROL, [01:45:03] THE FIRE, AND ANY OTHER COMMUNITY, THOSE ARE ALL SIMILAR TRAITS. [NOISE] I THINK THEY COULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY CROSS TRAIN AND DO SOME STUFF TOGETHER. I THINK THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA. I ALSO THINK THAT THE JUNIOR GUARDS SHOULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED. WHETHER IT'S A MOBILE TRAILER OR SOMETHING THEY CAN REMOVE AND PUT IN THERE OR SOMETHING IF WE DECIDE TO DO A PARKING STRUCTURE, A SMALL AREA FOR THEM. AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO GET WITH PETER AND FIND OUT WHAT EXACTLY THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THE JUNIOR LIFEGUARDS SO THAT PROGRAM CAN STAY THERE. IT'S A SEED PROGRAM. BASICALLY, THE KIDS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE BEING TRAINED AS A LIFEGUARDS. AS THEY COME UP AND REACH A CERTAIN AGE AND SKILL LEVEL, THEY TURN INTO THE ACTUAL LIFEGUARDS THAT PETER NEEDS AND THEY HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP. IT'S REALLY LIKE JOHN SAYS, SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF OUR FRIENDS, I KNOW THEIR KIDS CAME UP THROUGH IT, THEIR KIDS WERE ALSO LIFEGUARDS FOR PETER. IT'S JUST A GREAT PROGRAM. YES, A MAIN PATROL OFFSITE AND SOMETHING SMALLER FOR THE KIDS TO ME. >> CAN I OBJECT TO QUICK QUESTION. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LIFEGUARD SERVICE CAME TO TRIM YOUR GARDEN? I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> IT COULD BE 15, IT COULD BE 75. I HAVE NO CLUE. >> ALL I KNOW IS THE FAMILIES THAT I'VE DEALT WITH AND THERE IS ONE IN COLONY PARK. SHE HAS THREE GIRLS. ALL THREE GIRLS WENT THROUGH THE PROGRAM. ALL THREE GIRLS WERE LIFE GUARDS. >> I HAVE KNOWN SEVERAL OF THOSE. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR NUMBER IS. >> JUST TAKING THAT FAMILY RIGHT THERE. OH, MY NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR. SAME THING. THEY HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS. THEIR DAUGHTER WENT THROUGH THE COURSE AND PROGRAM. >> IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. >> IT'S GREAT. PETER DOES A WONDERFUL JOB. >> ONE TRUE THING I WROTE DOWN GRADE I DID, BUT I DIDN'T MAKE A NOTE AS TO WHO IT WAS, BUT THAT IS AN AWESOME IDEA TO HAVE ALL THOSE GROUPS OUT THERE TOGETHER. I JUST WANTED TO SAY KUDOS FOR THAT. >> I AGREE WITH WHAT MIKE SAID THAT AS WELL AS WHAT BRIAN SAID. PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER ACROSS THE STREET, SERVING MULTIPLE NEEDS DEFINITELY MAKES SENSE. I THINK THE JUNIOR LIFEGUARD PROGRAM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALWAYS PROTECT. I HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS WHO WENT THROUGH THAT PROGRAM AND WENT ON TO BE LIFEGUARDS. IT IS A BIG FADER SOURCE TO LIFEGUARDS AND IT SERVES EVEN AS A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKUP. >> THE WRAPPED UP PROGRAM REPRESENTS GALVESTON BEAUTIFULLY. >> YES. >> VERY NICE. COUNCIL, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS PAVILION. PERSONALLY I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT A PLAN FOR STUART BEACH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT EMPHASIS ON REMOVING THAT PAVILION. I THINK EVEN IF IT'S STRUCTURALLY SOUND, THAT THING IS AN EYE SORE DOWN THERE. I THINK PERSONALLY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE COST TO RESTORE THAT BUILDING BACK TO GET IT THE INTEGRITY PROPER DOWN THERE. EVEN IF WE DO THAT THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED NOW, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT BUILDING SERVES OUR NEEDS DOWN THERE. >> IT DOESN'T FUNCTION CORRECT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. LET'S MOVE AROUND THE TABLE. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. I'LL SAY TOM. I AGREE. >> DAVID. >> LET ME JUST INTERJECT. CHIEF DAVIS JUST SAID TO ME 40 PERCENT OF HIS GUARD POWER [OVERLAPPING] COMES COMES UP THROUGH THE PROGRAM. THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION. I'D LIKE [INAUDIBLE] COME DOWN. IT'S IN HARM'S WAY. NOT THE STAR IS GOING TO TAKE THEM DOWN, BUT IT QUICKLY REPRESENT UNUSEFUL. AS WELL AS THE DRAINAGE PROGRAMS WORKED OVER HERE ON THE PARKING LOT, IT WASN'T DESIGNED TO MAKE THE PAVILION HIGH AND DRY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EXCITING. IT'S A MOAT AROUND IT MOST DAYS. I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE US FIND A PLACE FOR EACH PATROL AND MOVE FORWARD WITH TAKING DOWN THE PAVILION AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE HARD STRUCTURES ON THE BEACH, MOST NOTABLY A PARKING DECK. >> JOHN. >> I MAY NOT. I THINK YOU KNOW MY ANSWER ON TURN IT DOWN OR NOT, BUT SO YEAH, STARE DOWN. BUT I THINK THAT THE BIGGER QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING THIS TO MAKE THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION TO YOU? DO WE NEED TO GIVE IT TO YOU TO GIVE TO PART 4? [01:50:01] >> THEY CAN CANCEL IT. TAKES AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION, SAYS BRIAN, MAKE IT HAPPEN, WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN. IT WILL INVOLVE WHO NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED. >> THE CITY BUILDING. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT AGAIN, WE COME BACK TO THIS, WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT PARK BOARD AND OUR CITY PARKS. >> WELL, AND IT IS DAVID WITH ONE EXCEPTION. YOU CAN SAY, BRIAN, GET THAT BUILDING TOWARD AND GET PETER A PLACE TO BE. THAT'S FINE. BUT THAT'S LIKE ANGELA, TELL ME, BRIAN, BILL CRAIG, A HOUSE PUTTING MINUTE. HERE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CHECKING ACCOUNT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. MUCH OF WHAT FUNDS BEACH PATROLLING THEIR OPERATION COMES FROM BUDGETS THAT ARE WITHIN THE PARK BOARD. I CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINITELY AT LEAST GET PRICING INVOLVED. HOW WILL WE KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING TEMPORARY SPACE OR OTHER AMENITIES AND THINGS THAT WE DO THAT WITHIN THE CONFINES? >> HE DID SOME WORK ON THAT LAST YEAR. THERE ARE NUMBERS ON THEM. >> YEAH. BUT YOU GUYS MAKE IT HAPPENS. GO AHEAD. >> WE'RE ALSO HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT AND STEWART BEACH. DO WE NEED TO HANDLE ONE OF THOSE BEFORE THE OTHER OR YOU COULD TAKE YOUR RUNNING ORDERS AND [OVERLAPPING] >> TAKE MY RUNNING ORDERS AND TELL ME WHAT TO DO. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. I'M NOT HERE TO PROPOSE TO TAKE STEWART BEACH. TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO. >> COME INTO THE MANAGEMENT TOPIC HERE, JUST SECOND. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE ONE DOESN'T CLOUD THE OTHER. >> CORRECT. >> SHARON. >> I AGREE WITH THE PAVILION COMING DOWN. MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE PARK BOARD. HOW DOES THAT PROCESS HAPPEN WHEN WE SAY DO IT, LET YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> I THINK IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR ME IF I HAVE COUNSEL DIRECTION BEHIND ME SAYING THEY'VE INSTRUCTED ME TO GET THE PAVILION DOWN AND FIND PETER AND OTHER PLACE TO BE. LET'S GET THIS DONE. I THINK THAT HELPS MOVE THINGS AND BECOMES LESS OF A DEBATE AND MORE OF A SITTING DOWN AND FIGURING IT OUT. >> THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD DIRECTION FOR MARK WAR II. THEY SEE COUNSEL AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. >> I WOULD HOPE THAT THERE'D BE IN THERE. IF YOU GUYS PUT A VOTE ON TO DIRECT ME TO DO SOMETHING, I WOULD HOPE THERE'D BE A COMPATIBLE VOTE AT THE PARK BOARD DIRECTING PARK BOARD STAFF GET WITH THE CITY GIVE WITH BRIAN'S TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING. THEN WE'RE WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT THE PARK, WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT BEACH PATROL AND FIGURE IT OUT. >> WE GOT YOU. >> WHAT HAPPENS IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN? >> GO GET MY DRAFTING IN THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS. [LAUGHTER] I WOULD BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR YOU GUYS TO [OVERLAPPING] >> CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE. >> I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. >> NO, I DO NOT EITHER. I'M SORRY, SHARON, ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO. >> I AGREE WITH THE PAVILION. I DO NEED, IT DOES NEED TO COME DOWN. THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND PETER AND THE PARK BOARD IS GOING TO BE KEY ON THAT. TEMPORARY SOMETHING FOR PETER TO BE IN WHILE OTHER THINGS ARE BEING ARRANGED, TRY TO COORDINATE THAT. LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, TAKE IT DOWN IN THE FALL, THAT WAY PETER'S NOT WORKING IN PRIME TIME, HIS FACILITIES OUT, SO ON AND SO FORTH. ALL THAT'S GREAT. >> IRENE. >> I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. I THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF THAT PAVILION. IT'S AN EYESORE. IT TAKES UP TOO MUCH SPACE. I'D LIKE TO SEE US GO AROUND THE PARKING STRUCTURE. I THINK THE JUNIOR GUARDS COULD BE A GOVERNMENT AIDED. AGAIN, I'VE DONE RESEARCH ACROSS THE COUNTRY ON THE COAST AND LIFEGUARD BUILDING, ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS ARE NOT ON THE BEACH. >> NEXT TOPIC ON STEWART BEACH. THIS IS MY PERSONAL FEELING. I GET A LITTLE CONCERNED. I'M AGREEING WITH WHERE WE'RE HEADING ON THIS AND USE THE PAVILION AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT A LITTLE CONCERN SHOT GUNNING THESE THOUGHTS WITHOUT LOOKING AT MORE OF A PLAN, OVERARCHING PLAN ON WHAT'S GOT TO GO AT STEWART BEACH, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY'RE ALL COORDINATED EFFORTS. THERE'S A LOT OF RAMIFICATIONS THAT WILL START BEING TRIGGERED ONCE THIS PAVILION COMES DOWN. WE NEED TO LOOK BEACH PATROLS JUST WANT TO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE HERE. QUESTION TO COUNSEL IS, WHO SHOULD WE TASK WITH BRINGING THAT TOTAL PLAN BACK TO COUNCIL HERE SHORTLY SO THAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT THE DETAILS ON THAT? >> WILLIAM. >> I'D LIKE BRIAN TO TELL US. >> THAT'S MR. MAXWELL'S THOUGHT. >> JOHN. >> I THINK IS A GROUP EFFORT THERE. I WOULD LIKE PARK BOARD'S INPUT ON THIS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE MASTER PLAN OUT ON FIRST-ORDER BEACH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE OLD. BUT AGAIN, THAT PAVILION IS NOT IN THEIR MASTER PLAN THAT'S EXISTING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO KEEP IT. I DOESN'T FIT OUR LONG-TERM GOALS FOR STEWART BEACH. [01:55:01] BUT I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES HERE. THEN AS WE TALKED ABOUT MANAGEMENT OF THIS PARK, THAT MIGHT. >> I WOULD HAVE [OVERLAPPING] AND YOU GUYS SAY BRIAN GET SOME DEVELOPED OUT THERE. I WOULD SIT DOWN AND SAY, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOUR NEEDS OUT THERE? WHAT IS THE PARK BOARD'S NEEDS? WHAT ARE YOUR WANTS, WHAT ARE YOUR NEEDS? THEN WE WOULD BRING BACKUP PLAN ON THAT PERSPECTIVE. >> VERY GOOD. SHARON. >> I AM ONE OF COLLABORATION AND COMMUNICATION. I THINK THAT IS KEY. DURING THIS PROCESS, IF IT STARTS WITH YOU THE NAMES TO INCLUDE THE PARK BOARD. >> ULTIMATELY, I THINK IF YOU TASK US WITH THAT, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK A PLAN WILL INVOLVE THE PARK BOARD AS MUCH AS THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED, AND IT WILL ULTIMATELY BRING YOU A PLAN AND IT'S COUNCIL'S DECISION. >> VERY GOOD. MIKE. >> FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING TO IMPROVE STEWART BEACH, I AM ALL FOR THE CITY TAKING CHARGE OF IT. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS, AND HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE, HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO A MASTER PLAN AND FACES OF HOW THIS IS ALL GOING TO GO. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DEVELOPER COMING IN OR DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALL I'M SAYING IS THE LAYOUT OF THE AREA SO WE JUST DON'T BUILD A PARKING GARAGE AND THEN IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT POSITION. >> JUST TO CHIME IN ON THAT. I THINK THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MASTER PLAN A BEACH. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE CITY DOES. THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT. I DEFINITELY SEE THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK WE HAVE FULL CAUGHT UP TO THIS POINT IS WE JUST SAY, HEY, WE NEED PLAN AND WE GO TO SOMEBODY AND SAY, I THINK WHAT THE CITY NEED TO USE THE SECOND ROW. THIS WHAT WE WANT AT HERE. THESE ARE OUR NEEDS, THESE ARE OUR WANTS. BRING US A PLAN. >> YES. >> THAT WAS MY SECOND THING. IS THAT WE PROVIDE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT THERE. WE AGREE UPON IT, AND THEN FOCUS WITH THE PHASES, GET US [OVERLAPPING] >> BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUILD A PROGRAM. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. MARINE. >> I'M WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT TAKING OVER MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STEWART BEACH. >> TOWARDS OUR LAST TOPIC ON THE STEWART BEACH. WORKING IN TREATING THIS PARK AS A CITY PARK OR LOOKING AT IT AS A REVENUE PRODUCER, POSSIBLY A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ISSUE. COUNCIL, LET'S WEIGH IN ON THAT. JOHN, LET'S START WITH YOU DOWN THERE. >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> GIVE ME A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION ON WHICH YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT. >> WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF NOW; SHOULD WE TREAT THIS AS A PUBLIC PARK? LIKE WE DO ALL OF OUR OTHER PARKS AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY LOOKED AT AS REVENUE PRODUCERS. THEY'RE MORE OF SOMETHING THAT IS A PART THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE RESONANCE AND SO FORTH. OR SHOULD WE LOOK AT STEWART BEACH PARK AS A REVENUE PRODUCER, HOPEFULLY SUPPORTING ITSELF AND PRODUCING EXCESS REVENUE AND POSSIBLY CONSIDERING A PUBLIC PROPERTY PRIVATE? >> I THINK I HAVE SOME DIRECTION ON THAT ONE. I WOULD SAY, THIS IS CURRENTLY A REVENUE PRODUCING PARK. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE SEEING IT AS A REVENUE PRODUCING PARK. I AM ALL FOR PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS IF THEY BENEFIT THE OVERALL CITY. WE'VE SEEN THAT SEVERAL TIMES HERE ON THE ISLAND AND SOME WORK BETTER THAN OTHERS, BUT IT CAN DO SOME AMAZING THINGS. PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK THE CITY WANTS TO SPEND ITS RESOURCES AND TIME IN MANAGING THIS PARK. I MEAN, THAT'S HOW I FEEL. I DON'T KNOW HOW BRIAN FEELS BUT I WOULD SIMILAR TO WHAT I'VE SAID ABOUT CENTRAL PARK IS, I THINK WE SET SOME GOALS FOR THIS PARK AND WE LET SOMEBODY ELSE RUN WITH IT AND SEE IF THEY CAN ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT WE SET HERE. >> IF YOU'RE SAYING IN PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, THE PRIVATE PART WOULD BE RUNNING THEIR BUSINESS SO THE CITY COULD EASILY MANAGE IT. >> WELL, THIS IS 60 ACRES. THERE IS A LOT THAT CAN BE DONE IN 60 ACRES. I SEE THIS BEING SEGMENTED OUT, PHASED IN. THERE'S A TON OF OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS THE TIME OR THE RESOURCES TO MANAGE A 60 ACRE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF WHAT? [02:00:01] SEWER BEACHES. I MEAN, WE NEED TO SET THE GOALS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO, SET POLICY SET GOALS AND HIRE PEOPLE ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS FOR US. >> AS LONG AS IT'S NOT OPERATING INDEPENDENTLY OF THE CITY. THE CITY WILL STILL OWNS THE BEACH. >> SURE. BUT JUST LIKE THE CONVENTION CENTER, WE ARE A PARTNER IN THE CONVENTION CENTER. WE DON'T OPERATE THE CONVENTION CENTER. >> TEAMS TWO DO THAT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THAT THAT I SEE HAPPENING ON SWORD BEACH, AND WE CANNOT DO THAT AS A CITY. WE DON'T HAVE THE. >> AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO MY COMMENT, PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP. THAT WOULD BE THE PRIVATE ENTITY. IF WE DID A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP. >> YEAH. BUT I THINK WE DON'T NEED. >> SOMETHING THAT DAVID SAID, YOU DON'T NEED PUBLIC, PRIVATE. YOU CAN JUST DO PUBLIC PRIVATE. >> WHEN WE ARE IN OTHER PUBLIC ENTITIES, FIND THAT APARTMENT. >> THERE AGAIN ARE SOME ADVANTAGES OF US HAVING A PART BOARD. WHEN YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE MANGERS. WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THEY COULD DO AND WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHOEVER CAN DO IT BETTER. >> SURE BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS NOW. >> IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. >> SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. >> I LIKE THE PRIVATE, PUBLIC. I'M THINKING PRIVATE IN THE ASPECT OF VENDORS OR BUSINESSES BEING THERE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO BE COMPETITIVE, UNLESS WE ALLOW PRIVATE BUSINESSES TO OPERATE THERE. IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO WORK AS WELL. I LIKE THAT. >> YEAH. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. PRIVATE OR PUBLIC, NO, PRIVATE, PRIVATE, PUBLIC. MAYBE THAT'S NOT [OVERLAPPING]. IT IS CONFUSING. WHATEVER WOULD MAINSTREAM THAT THE BEST, WHATEVER WOULD BE THE MOST COST EFFICIENT, I'M ALL FOR THAT. NOW, HOW THAT WORKS? I DON'T KNOW YET. BUT YES, I THINK THAT THERE'S ENOUGH LAND OUT THERE THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT FROM CERTAIN AREAS. THEN I THINK THERE'S OTHER AREAS OUT THERE THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE A REVENUE MAKING PROFIT, OR REVENUE-GENERATING STREAM FOR THE CITY AND MAYBE OFFSET SOME COSTS. >> THE RESIDENTS, IN MY OPINION, BENEFIT FROM THESE PRIVATE. I MEAN YOU TAKE SOMETHING LIKE MOODY GARDENS. IT IS AMAZING THAT WE HAVE MOODY GARDENS HERE. I MEAN, YOU CAN GO AND BUY $120 SEASON PASS AND I CAN TAKE MY DAUGHTER INTO THE AQUARIUM TO THE RAIN FOREST. I MEAN, THERE'S ALL THESE ATTRACTIONS IN FOR $120 A YEAR. I THINK THAT IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS. >> EVEN AT A HALF AN HOUR A DAY, CARTER LOVE THIS. >> IT IS JUST AMAZING. >> THEY RUN THEM RAGGED AND THEN HE GOES HOME AND SLEEPS. IT'S NICE. CLIMATE CONTROLLED AND I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BEAT IT. >> YEAH, EXACTLY. >> MARIE. >> UNDENIABLY THE PUBLIC, PRIVATE MAKE SENSE. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SAY BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 25 YEARS AND I AM PROBABLY THINK, AT LEAST TEN MASTER PLANS THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT ARE SITTING SOMEWHERE. I CAN EVEN DESCRIBE THAT I REMEMBER SEEING SO MANY MASTER PLANS, BUT I THINK PUBLIC PRIVATE MAKES SENSE. >> MY TWO CENTS ON THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS TOTAL POLICY DECISION. MISTAKE THAT GOVERNMENTS MAKE IS THAT IT'S GOING TO A BUFFET AND EAT SO MUCH AND YOUR EYES GET SO BIG, YOU DON T KNOW WHERE TO START, YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN TO STOP AND YOU JUST LEAVE MISERABLE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH STUART BEACH. IT MIGHT BE QUITE POSSIBLE ONCE WE KNOW AND HAD GOOD DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, LIKE WE'RE GETTING A DAY AS TO WHAT WE WANT. MAYBE THIS SECTION IS FOR THESE AMENITIES. MAYBE THIS SECTION IS A PUBLIC PARK. MAYBE THIS SECTION IS SOMETHING ELSE. ONCE WE KNOW THOSE WANTS AND NEEDS. BUT I THINK, THEY SAY, HOW YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT, YOU DO IT IN SMALL BITES. I THINK WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO EAT THE ELEPHANT ONE BITE AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE. I THINK IF WE BREAK THIS DOWN, WE GET THIS DONE. >> I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE THAT ARE HERE RIGHT NOW WITH A NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE ON STUART BEACH AND THEN NUMBER OTHER THINGS [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A WHOLE SEPARATE ROOM THAT JUST HOLD STUDIES. >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING TO ARGUE ON DELAYING FAILED TO FUNCTION. >> YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE MASTER PLAN. [02:05:03] WE HAVE HAD MANY MASTER PLANS AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED ONE OF THEM. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO START IT IN. >> WELL THERE AGAIN, THAT'S WHY IT MAKES SENSE PUBLIC PRIVATE, PARTNERSHIP. >> JUST REMEMBER, BY DEFINITION, PLANS ARE SOMETHING YOU DEVIATE FROM. >> CORRECT. >> UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO A MASTER PLAN. >> I KEEP TELLING MY HUSBAND THAT [LAUGHTER]. >> THAT IF YOU DO A MASTER PLAN AND IT'S A 10-YEAR PLAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT IN LIFE THAT CHANGES IN TEN YEARS. YOU HAVE TO ESTIMATE AN ADAPTABLE PLAN, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BASIC TENANTS OF IT NEEDS TO STAY CONSTANT AND THEN YOU ADJUST IT. >> BUT IF YOU'VE NEVER START THE FIRST YEAR, AND YOU CAN'T GET TO YOUR TEN AND COMPLETE IT. >> BUT MANY OF THOSE PLANTS THAT SIT ON THE SHELF WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY IDENTIFY APPROACH, BUT THEY NEVER IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE TO MOVE IT FORWARD. THAT'S WHEN WE COME BACK HERE, BRIAN, ON THIS AND THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT I'M GOING TO GIVE WHEN I RAN THIS UP. WE NEED TO LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THIS TO MAKE THIS MOVE FORWARD. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. >> THAT'S WHERE THE PARK BOARD PLAYS A BIG KEY ROLE IN THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE KEEPER OF ALL THOSE REVENUE SOURCES IN TERMS OF REVENUE FROM THE PARK AND HISTORIC COST AND ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. >> WILLIAM? >> I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID ALREADY, BUT I AGREE WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE. BUT I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. I MEAN, THERE'S 70 ACRES. I THINK YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR RESIDENTIAL BENEFITS OF, LIKE YOUR TRADITIONAL PART, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEN I'VE TALKED ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, YOU HAVE SOME ROOM TO GET TO THE STEWARD BEACH OF OLD. >> HE HAS A BAR, HE CAN BRING HIS BACON TOO. >> GET AWAY FROM THE BAR, [LAUGHTER] I'M JUST SAYING I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR EVERYTHING. [OVERLAPPING] I JUST THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING OUT THERE THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE. I JUST WANT TO SEE IT ALL. I GUESS IT WOULD JUST STAY ON A MAP AND THEN MAKE IT HAPPEN. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M AT THE POINT ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I JUST THINK THAT. >> IT STARTS WITH PROGRAMMING AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU GUYS NEED SOME PROGRAM. >> OR I CAN DRAW IT UP ON A NAPKIN FOR YOU, I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND HOW ABOUT I JUST LEAVE THAT DRAW. >> FROM A BAR. >> DIDN'T HAVE. [LAUGHTER] ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON. >> DAVID. >> YES. WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS STEP 1. AGAIN, WE'VE MASTER PLANNED THIS THING TO DEATH. HOW DO I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. WE'VE TASKFORCED THIS THING SO MANY TIMES, LET'S STOP DOING THAT. [NOISE] THERE'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF PARKING REVENUE, WHICH IS USER FEE AND IT'S RESTRICTED, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL HUNDRED DOLLARS OF NOT UNRESTRICTED FUNDING OUT THERE TOO. BECAUSE WE HAVE VENDORS OPERATING ON THAT BEACH QUITE SUCCESSFULLY AND HAVE HAD FOR DECADES. THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. THAT PARK CAN BE A REVENUE GENERATOR. BUT AS WILLIAM SAYS, IT'S A BIG PLACE. YOU GET ROOM TO DO A LOT OF THINGS, BUT LET'S START SOMEPLACE. LET'S NOT TRY TO PROGRAM THE WHOLE THING BEFORE WE START MAKING DECISIONS OF WHAT WE DO NEXT. >> LET ME WORK WITH THE MAYOR, I ASSUME, TO CRAFT THE AGENDA ITEM THAT'S GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION ON ALL THIS SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT ONLY CLEAR TO CITY STAFF, BUT IT'S ALSO CLEAR TO THE PARK WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO. >> YES, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT. MY THOUGHTS ON THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WE DON'T WANT TO PUT CONSTRAINTS ON HOW WE WANT TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THE FUTURE OF STEWART BEACH. WE OWE IT TO OUR RESIDENTS HERE TO LOOK AT ALL OPPORTUNITIES AND PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP IS ONE OF THOSE. ON THAT, I'M GOING TO SUMMARIZE COUNCIL WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. GIVING CITY STAFF, BRIAN IS GOING TO HEAD THAT UP, DEVELOPING AN OVERALL PLAN FOR STEWART BEACH. HE'S GOING TO WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD TO GET INPUT FROM THEM AS HE DEVELOPS HIS IDEAS. HE'S GOING TO CENTER AROUND DEMOLISHING OF THE PAVILION THERE. HE'S GOING TO LOOK AT HAVING ALL OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AND COMMAND CENTER, COMMUNICATION CENTER OF THE BEACH PATROL OUT OF HARM'S WAY ON THE SEA WALL WITH A PLAN THAT BRIAN IS ALREADY LOOKING AT ON COMBINING EFFORTS WITH POSSIBLY UTMB AND PROPERTIES UP THERE, AND THAT YOU'LL WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD AND WITH BEACH PATROL TO GET IDEAS ON WHAT THEY NEED ON THE SAND FOR POSSIBLY SOME OF THEIR ACTIVITIES LIKE THE JUNIOR GUARD PROGRAM. IT'S GOING TO BE A REVENUE-GENERATING PARK. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT, WITH THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES, BRIAN, AS THIS COMES BACK TO US AND WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THIS PARK? WE'LL GET A BETTER AND GET A CLEARER IDEA, I THINK, AS WE GET MORE INPUT WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK. BRIAN, TIMELINE ON THIS? >> TOMORROW. >> LET'S GET TOGETHER ON THE MOTION. BUT I WOULD THINK THE MOTION FOR DIRECTION COULD BE ON THE APRIL AGENDA. [02:10:04] >> WE PROBABLY COULD PUT THIS ON APRIL 27TH AGENDA. >> YES. >> WE'LL GET THAT MOVING. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S SOON ENOUGH FOR. [OVERLAPPING]. >> YOU HAVE DIRECTION? >> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. >> EXACTLY. [LAUGHTER] >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU COUNCIL. VERY WELL DONE. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3 OF THE 3B1 PLEASE. NATALIE. >> ITEM 3B3, FUTURE MANAGEMENT OF DELAMARE AND RV PARK. >> WE HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA. BRIAN, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. >> THE STAFF'S THOUGHTS ON DELAWARE PARK IS THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE THE CITY IN CONJUNCTION WITH PARK BOARD STAFF BACK MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THERE WAS A DEARTH OF RV PARKING IN GALVESTON, WE STARTED THE TREND. NOW, WE'RE GETTING LOTS OF RV PARKS. I'LL BE REAL HONEST WITH YOU. I THINK THE DIRECTION THE CITY SHOULD TAKE WITH DELAWARE PARK IS WE SHOULD PUT IT OUT FOR AN RFP TO OPERATE DELAWARE PARK. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PARK BOARD WOULD BE A PARTICIPANT IN RFP PROCESS AND BID ON IT. MOST LIKELY, SINCE THEY ARE ALREADY THERE AND HAD THE BACKGROUND AND IT WOULD BE THE SUCCESSFUL ONE. BUT THAT WAS THE CITY CAN ASSURE ITS GETTING THE MAXIMUM RETURN ON THAT PARK. >> VERY GOOD. >> THAT'S PURELY A SUGGESTION. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> FAIR AND EASY. I THINK. >> MIKE, DID YOU WANT TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? >> I GUESS. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH WHAT'S GOING ON AT DELAWARE PARK RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK IT'S BROKEN, I DON'T THINK THE MANAGEMENT IS MISMANAGED. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D WANT TO GO LOOK FOR ANOTHER OPERATOR FOR THAT PART SO MY THOUGHTS STILL DON'T CHANGE. >> LET'S MOVE AROUND THE TABLE MAUREEN. >> I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO BID OUT THE PARK. AGAIN, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE FINANCIALS, THERE'S SO MANY VAGUE FIGURES OR FIGURES THAT DON'T ADD UP, BUT ONCE AGAIN, NOT A VERY DETAILED. WHAT WOULD IT HURT TO BID IT OUT? WE'D HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE, MAYBE SOMETHING TO GAIN. I DON'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY THE PORT WOULDN'T BID ON IT. >> IT SEEM TO HAVE THE LEG UP FOR SURE. ALL RIGHT, BEN. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. I MEAN, WAS IT HARD TO GET OUT AND GET SOME IDEAS ON IT? >> DAVID? >> WELL, SOMETHING AND OVER THREE-QUARTERS, I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT THE DIVISION BETWEEN GENERAL FUND AND BEACHES. IT SITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THREE QUARTERS OF THAT IS GENERAL FUND. I'M I ALL RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THIS IS CITY PARK, AND YET WE DO NOT GET ANY MONETARY BENEFIT OUT OF IT. THIS HAS NO RELIEF TO THE GENERAL FUND WHATSOEVER. I THINK TAKING A LOOK AT HOW YOU CAN FIX THAT IS PRIORITY. YES, FIND A PARK, BID IT OUT. AS SIMPLE AS THAT. BID IT OUT BECAUSE IT'S $1 MILLION A YEAR EQUALS THAT GENERAL FUND MONEY. SORRY. >> WHY WOULD WE BID THIS OUT THOUGH? I MEAN, WHY WOULD WE NOT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WE HAVE OR IF WE DON'T HAVE WE CAN GET THEM, AND JUST RECOMMEND TO THE PARK BOARD THAT THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THE PARK GENERATES AND SET GOALS ON THOSE NUMBERS. I MEAN, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME WHY WE WOULD BID THIS OUT BECAUSE THE PRIVATE ENTITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE MONEY. THE PARK BOARD DOES NOT HAVE TO MAKE MONEY. >> YOU MAKE IT RELEVANT NOW SO. >> HEAR ME OUT HERE. I'M NOT ARGUING HERE, BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT. >> SURE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD BID THAT OUT THOUGH. >> I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR. FAIR TO SAY [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT IS A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY. >> IT IS A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR US TO GET THE MONEY THAT WE THINK THAT POWER GENERATES. WHY WOULD WE GIVE THAT MONEY TO A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL? >> BECAUSE IF THE NET BENEFIT TO THE CITY IS GREATER, WHY WOULDN'T YOU? >> YES, BUT IN MY MIND, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR COULD[OVERLAPPING]. >> THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT? >> IT MIGHT BE THE WAY TO GO, BUT I'M ASKING QUESTIONS HERE. DO YOU NOT THINK THAT WE COULD RUN THAT PARK MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN THE PRIVATE SECTOR? >> I HAVE NO IDEA UNTIL YOU GET IT OUT. >> BY EFFICIENCY, YOU MEAN, MAKE MORE MONEY. >> MAKE MORE MONEY. FOR THE CITIZENS TO GET HUSTLE. >> YES. I DON'T DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK PARK WAS TRYING TO FIND A JOB [OVERLAPPING]. >> MENTIONING PARK, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE NUMBERS PLAY OUT. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, GUYS. IF YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO BID IT OUT, YOU SAY, HEY BRIAN, JUST GO GET THE 100 PERCENT OF THE NET OFF THE PARK, WE'LL GO DO IT. >> NOT EVEN GET 100 PERCENT NOW I MEAN, [02:15:02] YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD WANT TO SAY IN THE CITY, WE WANT TO RUN THIS LIKE A BUSINESS. >> BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET 100 PERCENT OF THE NET, THEN YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO BID IT OUT BECAUSE THEN THE NET IS SUBJECTIVE. >> AGAIN, DON'T BE SUBJECTIVE, LOOK NUMBERS, SEE WHAT THAT PARK COULD GENERATE, AND THEN [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE ONCE YOU START ARBITRARILY AS JOHNNY [OVERLAPPING] >> IF PARK WAS COVERING 100 PERCENT OF THE EXPENSES, AND THE CITY IS GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THE PARK, THAT'S 100 PERCENT OF THE NET. IF THERE'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE NET, IT DOESN'T COME TO THE CITY, I THINK YOU OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON TO SEE IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO DO IT FOR TWO PERCENT, 36 PERCENT. >> YES. >> OR 10 PERCENT. >> BUT AGAIN, THAT ALSO KEEPS THE PARK THE WAY IT IS. IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BID THIS OUT, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE OPERATING THE SAME AS IT ALWAYS HAS, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THEM TO GO OUT AND MAKE YOU MORE MONEY, YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR A FEE. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON. >> BUT A FLAT FEE. >> NO. >> THE PERCENTAGE. >> THE PERCENTAGE. >> OKAY. >> OKAY. >> THAT WOULD BE LESS THAN THE NET. >> RIGHT. >> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL COULD RUN THAT PARK MORE EFFICIENTLY THEN. >> DEPENDS ON WHAT PARK IS TALKING ABOUT. >>I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE CASE WE NEED TO START BIDDING OUT OF IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE OPERATIONAL COST OF THAT PARK IS STATIC. DOES THE OPERATOR HAVE STILL ALLOWING PAYING WITH PARKWAY PAYS? WHAT SERVICES DO THEY PROVIDE? WHAT SERVICES ARE WE NOT PROVIDING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE? THEN GIVEN ALL THAT, IF PARK STAYS FULL, SO IT DOES A GOOD JOB. BUT ARE YOU GETTING THE MAXIMUM RETURN OUT OF THAT PARK? TO ME, IT'S A CHECK AND BALANCE FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS, IT IS NOT MY CALL. >> WELL, $3,000 COMING OUT OF THE PARK MORE GENERAL FUND AFTER EXPENSES. WHEN YOU SAY NET, THERE'S $3,000 RIGHT THERE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF, WHO COULD DO THAT MORE EFFICIENTLY? THE CITY, THE PARK BOARD, THE PRIVATE VENUE? >> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S NOT ONLY NET OF $3,000. >> WELL, THAT'S JUST THEIR GENERAL FUND TRANSFER. >> YEAH. BUT I MEAN, THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS NOT GOING TO JUST WANT ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. THEY'RE GOING TO WANT PROFIT ON TOP OF THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] THEY DO ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT ME THERE FOR THE SAME OR LESS, AND THEN SHE'LL MAKE PROFIT ON TOP OF THAT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CITY LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK PARK CAN GENERATE THIS MUCH AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUT OF IT. >> ROUND THE NUMBERS. LET'S SEE HIS BUSINESS PLAN. >> DO WE GOT A BUSINESS PLAN FOR THAT? >> [OVERLAPPING] I'M WONDERING WITH THE SAME QUESTION. MAYBE YOU SHOULD ROUND THAT NUMBER. WHERE EXACTLY IS IT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE PARK BOARD TO DECREASE OR WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR ROLE TO GET INTO THE PARK BOARDS, HOW THEY MANAGE THE PARKS. I THINK THEY HAVE A MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE, AND THEY DO IT THE WAY THAT THEY THINK IS THE BEST FOR THEM. I THINK WE OWE TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON TO SAY, OKAY, THAT'S THE WAY YOU PROPOSED TO RUN IT. LET'S SEE HOW OTHER PEOPLE WOULD PROPOSE TO RUN IT. IF THAT'S MORE EFFICIENT AS IT PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF GREATER SERVICE. >> I'M SORRY, YOU LOST ME. I WAS AGREEING WITH WHAT JOHN WAS SAYING. NOW YOU ARE SAYING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD NOT GET INTO THE WAY THAT PARK BOARD HAS OUTLINED IT'S EXPENSES AND WHAT THEY HAVE ALLOCATED. >> I DON T THINK IT'S MY ROLE TO DETERMINE THE PARK BOARDS OVERHEAD. I THINK THE PARK BOARD, THEY HAVE STUDIES AND THINGS THAT BACKUP THEIR OVERHEADS AND I THINK BACK IN TO HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED OVER THERE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S MY ROLE TO MICROMANAGE THE PARK BOARD. I THINK IT'S MY ROLE TO MAXIMIZE THE REVENUE FROM THAT PARK OF THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON. >> THE OVERHEAD WOULD BE ONE OF THE MAIN EXPENSES. >> BUT YOU HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT WHAT GOES INTO THE OVERHEAD BECAUSE, AND I HAVE JUST NOW SEEING THIS, BUT THEY TAKE OVERHEAD SALARIES, ADD A PERSONNEL COST, AND THEN THEY CHECK OVER HERE ON TOP OF THAT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS. >> I HAVEN'T GIVEN MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. I WOULD AGREE WITH JOHN'S FEELINGS ON THIS. I'M NOT AGAINST IT OUT FOR BIDS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS ON THAT, HAVE THE CITY REVIEW THAT, [02:20:01] SEE WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT. THEN YOU COULD BRING BACK MAYBE A PLAN IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS. WE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE NOW THAT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH PARK BOARD. >> I THINK DYLAN ERROR IS ONE OF THE ONES WE LOOK AT AFTER THE SEASON. >> I THINK WE JUST NEED TO COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, LOOK AT THE FINANCES AND SECRETLY STANDARD. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. SAME THING. [LAUGHTER] >> I'M NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS WITH IT. >> OKAY. [LAUGHTER] >> COUNCIL, LET ME GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. WE'VE GOT 40 MINUTES TO GO UNTIL WE FINISH. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF TOPICS STILL TO DISCUSS. MORAY HAS ASKED FOR A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK, IS THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> [BACKGROUND] >> I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT THIS. >> WE'VE GOT TO EAT LITTLE BIT HERE. >> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. >> I'M GOING TO BE TALKING TO MR. MAXWELL ABOUT THAT SECTION. >> THAT SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE SPEECH. >> BUT THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD HERE. >> JOHN, YOUR THOUGHTS? >> I'M FINE WITH PUSHING THAT A LITTLE OFF. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH. >> BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSIONS VISIBLY IN EACH TOWN'S DEVELOPMENT TOO. >> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS WITH THAT. >> SURE. >> I AGREE. >> OKAY. MIKE. >> YEAH. WE'VE GOT SO MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN FUND EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DO WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SO I'LL SIGN IN IT TWO WEEKS. >> I'M GOOD. LET'S STEP ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE HANDICAP SPECIAL NEEDS. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3B2, PLEASE, NELLY. >> ITEM 3B2 FUTURE FUNDING OF 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS DISPLAY. >> VERY GOOD. BRIAN. >> YEAH. THIS YEAR, THE CITY HAS TAKEN ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY. JASON IS HERE. I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS SOME FUNDING IN THE PARK BOARD'S BUDGET TO ASSIST US WITH THIS THIS YEAR. BUT I PUT THIS ON HERE MAINLY FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, THE CITY HAS VERY LIMITED HOT AT IT'S DIRECT DISPOSAL. I WOULD NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS TO IF YOU WANT US TO USE FUNDS ON HAND FOR THIS, BUT I ALSO WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. THE 4TH JULY IS NOT JUST FIREWORKS FOR US. THIS IS A MASSIVE EVENT. IT IS ACTUALLY NO DIFFERENT FOR US AND HOW WE MANAGE IT REALLY THAN MARDI GRAS, BIKE RALLY, ANY OF THOSE TYPE THINGS. I REALLY WANT 4TH OF JULY TO BE LOOKED AT AS AN OVERARCHING EVENT FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON. IT IS LITERALLY THE HIGH WATERMARK FOR US IN THE CITY FOR TOURISM. THAT DATE, ESPECIALLY IF IT FALLS ON A WEEKEND, I WANT US TO LOOK AT FUNDING FOR FOURTH OF JULY HOLISTICALLY, AND NOT JUST THE FIREWORKS. WE CAN FIND AN SPONSOR IN THE NAME OF FIREWORKS, THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXTRA POLICE, ALL THE EXTRA FIRE, ALL OF THE EXTRA TRAFFIC, EMS, YOU NAME ALL THE COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH 4TH OF JULY. I BELIEVE THOSE ARE HOT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT IS AN OVERARCHING EVENT. I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO HAVE THAT ON YOUR MINDS AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN YOUR LOCAL AGREEMENT, THAT IS HOW I'M GOING TO DISCUSS IT UNLESS I GET SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM YOU GUYS. >> DAVID. >> WELL, YEAH. I THINK CBD IS GOING TO FIND JOB OF PROMOTING, [OVERLAPPING] IN THE PAST AND I THINK THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT PART. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING TO THE PARK BOARD FOR EVENT MONEY. HAS IT WORKED? >> NO. >> BECAUSE THERE'S SUFFICIENT MONEY IN THE TOURISTS WHO DROVE IN SILO THAT THE CITY HAS RIGHT THIS SECOND, WAY MORE THAN WE NEED TO DO THIS. [02:25:01] BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU NEED TO TREAT THIS AS AN EVENT. YOU NEED TO TALK NOT JUST ABOUT THE COST OF FIREWORK, TO TALK TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND COST TRAFFIC CONTROL. ALL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO SPREAD BECAUSE IT BECOMES AN ISLAND WIDE EVENT REAL FAST. >> YEAH. >> BUT IT'S EXTREMELY POPULAR. I'M NOT A GREAT FAN OF THE FIREWORKS, THE BOOMING, BOOMING FIREWORKS. THE SILO IS OUT THERE WERE NOBODY LIVES IN IT. >> THEY HAVE THEIR FIREWORKS. >> WE ALL HAVE THE SAME IN MADISON. >> [LAUGHTER] BUT, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, BUT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE WILLING TO FUND THE EVENTS ITSELF AND NOT WITH PARK BOARD. >> WHY? >> NO, [OVERLAPPING] I THINK YOU'RE MISUNDERSTANDING DAVID. I THINK HE'S LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO FUND IT. WHEN HE SAYS FUND IT, FUND IT VIA HOT. >> YEAH. >> THERE'S A MEANING IN THE GENERAL FUND EXPENSE IN THIS, THIS IS AN EVENT, BUT IT'S AN EVENT THAT WE SHOULD BE MANAGING. >> I AGREE. >> I THINK THE PARK BOARD AGREES TOO BECAUSE THEY'VE STEPPED AWAY FROM IT. >> YEAH, EXACTLY. >> JOHN. >> I THOUGHT THAT THE PARK BOARD DIDN'T FUND THE FIREWORKS OUT OF HEART. I'VE BEEN TOLD DIFFERENTLY, BUT SOMEBODY SPEAK OF IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE PARK BOARD HAS FUNDED IT. THE KEY THOUGH, IS I DON'T THINK IN THEIR BUDGET THIS YEAR, THEY HAVE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THEY SHOULD BE. >> MY QUESTION IS, IS IT FUNDED OUT OF HEART? >> YEAH. >> I'M ALMOST SURE IT IS. >> HALF-PRICE NAME ANYMORE. [NOISE] >> I WAS TOLD IT WASN'T. >> WHEN WOULD IT HAVE BEEN FUNDED FROM? >> IS A PROMOTIONAL EVENT. >> HEY, I'M NOT THE EXPERT HERE, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS IN THEIR BUDGET AND BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IT WAS NOT FUNDED OUT OF HOT. WE CAN FIND OUT. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS EVENTS ON. >> EVERY CITY IN AMERICA USES. >> THE PROMOTION OF IT. >> YOU ARE SURE ABOUT THAT. >> PROMOTION IT'S ABSOLUTELY. >> I'VE BEEN TOLD DIFFERENT BUT HEY, I JUST WANT A STRAIGHT ANSWER. >> LET'S CONFIRM THAT BRIAN, LET COUNCIL KNOW ALL OF US. IF THE FUNDS FROM THE ARTBOARD FUNDING FOURTH OF JULY PLEASE. ON THAT, ANYMORE THOUGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? >> THAT'S MORE OF A HEADS-UP BECAUSE THE OTHER THING TOO IS I SAID JUST REMEMBER THE ONLY HOT ELIGIBLE OR HOT MONEY THAT THE CITY GETS US TO, IT'S TRICKLED DOWN. THAT'S COMING TO AN END. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE START LOOKING AT HOT TAX GLOBALLY. WE LOOK AT THINGS HIS AND HERS. IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS OURS AND THAT MONEY IS GOING TO GO AWAY. I DON'T KNOW. >> THIS NEEDS TO BE FUNDED TRICKLE-DOWN. >> NO, I'M NOT PROPOSING TO, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL ALLOCATED. >> YEAH. >> NO, THERE'S TOURISM DEVELOPMENT MONEY. THERE'S A TOURISM DEVELOPMENT SILENT. >> YES. >> THAT HAS [INAUDIBLE], IT SHOULD BE PERFECTLY AVAILABLE. WE MENTIONED IT THOUGH, BRIAN, THE KEY ON THE 4TH OF JULY, USING HOT IN MY MIND, IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THAT SECURITY AND PLACE AND ALL THAT COMING OUT OF HOT TOO, THAT CAN HAPPEN. >> WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT JUST LIKE WE DO WITH MARDI GRAS. IT'LL BE HANDLED AS A SPECIAL EVENT. DAVID SMITH WILL TAKE THIS OVER AS THE PRIMARY EVENT AND IT WILL GO THAT ROUTE. >> BUT I JUST WANT TO, IT'S JUST NOT THE FIREWORKS DISPLAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT, IT'S EVERYTHING AROUND IT. >> I AGREE WITH EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >> ALL RIGHT. [LAUGHTER]. >> I FOUND IT. THEY HAVE IT UNDER SPECIAL PROJECTS FOR THE JULY PROMOTIONS, $100,000. I'M GOING TO RUN IT WAS POSITIVE. THAT'S OUT OF DEVELOPMENT. IT IS AUDITORY. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE RIGHT ON. NELLY, WOULD YOU THE THREE AND THEN THE ONE OF THAT OFFICE? >> YES, SIR. THREE V3 INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT ITEM FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSION AND OR TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE PARK BOARD, ONE, BEACH NOURISHMENT, PLANNING AND PROCESS, AND THE INTERRELATIONSHIP WITH THE BOARD. >> YOU INTRODUCE THIS. >> THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP AS PART OF THE INNER LOCAL DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU GUYS BEFORE WE GO IN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WASTE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME BEATING MY HEAD AGAINST VAULT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT TO DO. THE FIRST ITEM IS BEACH NOURISHMENT PLANNING. THAT'S ACTUALLY IT'S PART OF THE INNER LOCAL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A PART OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS AS WELL. THE CITY IS PRETTY MUCH THE LOCAL MATCH SPONSOR FOR MOST OF THESE BEACH NOURISHMENT PROJECTS. [02:30:01] I BELIEVE IN COUNCIL MEMBER OCCUPIED DO A BETTER JOB EXPLAINING THIS THAN ME. BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE IS IT NEEDS TO BE ETCHED OUT. WHO MAKES THE CALL WHERE BEACH NOURISHMENT PROJECTS OCCUR? >> IN WHAT ORDER? >> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION UP AND MY THOUGHT IS THE CITY SHOULD MAKE THAT CALL. THEY SHOULD HAVE PRIORITIZE THESE. THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THE PARK BOARD ON CERTAIN ITEMS AND SO FORTH. IN MY MIND, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PROCESS ON HOW THAT WOULD FLOW, ON HOW THESE DECISIONS ARE MADE. WHO MANAGES THE PROJECTS? WHO INTERFACES WITH THE GLO? I THINK THE CITY SHOULD. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DETAILS ON HOW THAT FLOWS AND SO FORTH, BUT THE PART BOARD NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN DISCUSSION. >> I AGREE THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE THE ONE DECIDING WHERE THE SAME GOES ON THE BEACH. I THINK THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB DEVELOPING COASTAL TEAM, WHICH WE HADN'T HAD IN THE PAST. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST YEAR-AND-A-HALF WHERE WE ACTUALLY WERE PLACED IN A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE COMPETING FOR SAND SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. I THINK THE IDC AS A RESOURCE, SHOULD BENEFIT ALL OF OUR CITIZENS. I THINK FOCUSING ON PUTTING SAND ONLY ON THE BEACHES THAT ARE IN FRONT AS A SEAWALL IS DOING AN EXTREME DISSERVICE TO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS. WHEN WE HAVE TO SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON FORGETTING ABOUT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY, THERE'S SO MUCH OF THAT RISK ON PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROTECTION ON THE BEACHES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE SEAWALL. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SITS COORDINATED OR WORK IN, HOWEVER, WORKS BEST WITH THE PARK BOARD. BUT THE CITY SHOULD DECIDE WHERE THE SAFEST PLACE. >> THOUGHTS ON. YES, MIKE. >> I GUESS THIS IS MY VISION OF THIS WHOLE THING OF BEACH NOURISHMENT. I THINK THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE A CIP. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE THERE WITH DESCRIPTIONS AND THE PRIORITIES OF HOW NECESSARY IS IT, SO ON AND SO FORTH IN THAT LIST COMES TO COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL VOTES ON IT. I ALSO THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD MANAGE THE PLACEMENT OF THE NOURISHMENT AND THE SAND. THEY KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DONE PROPERLY. I THINK THAT THE PERMITTING AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS SHOULD BE GONE THROUGH TO THE PARK BOARD. AS THE PARK BOARD HAS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROPER ENTITIES TO HAVE THAT DONE, TO EXECUTE THOSE. >> THANK YOU, MIKE. DAVID. >> YEAH. I AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, BUT THE FACT THAT THE CITY HAS GOT A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH BOTH THE GENERAL LAND OFFICE AND THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. I DON T THINK THEY SHOULD BE LEFT WITH ANY CONFUSION ABOUT WHO THEY'RE TALKING TO, WHO IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY HERE BECAUSE IT'S THE CITY. I'M TALKING ABOUT. WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IDC FUNDING, BEACH NOURISHMENT FUNDING, ALL THE FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING AVAILABLE. THIS THIS HAS ALL OF THE CITY'S PURVIEW AS ALL THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. YOUR OFFICE SHOULD BE MANAGING THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE, FEDERAL ENTITIES REGARDING THIS? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MURRAY ABOUT THE PERMANENT AS WELL. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> MIKE, HOW MANY FOR YOUR BEACH DIVISION? HOW MANY PERMITS HAVE THEY PULLED THROUGH BOOTS YELLOW FOR BEACH NOURISHMENT? >> THEY DIDN'T BUILD ANY YET. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THE EXPERTISE THERE? >> WELL, ACTUALLY THE EXPERTISE IS DOWN THERE. >> YEAH. HAS SOME EXPERTISE IN THIS AS WELL. THEY'VE DONE A GREAT DEAL OF THIS. I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE CONFUSION. THERE HAS BEEN WITH STATE, FEDERAL ENTITIES ABOUT WHO'S DRIVING THIS CONVERSATION. >> I THINK WHO PULLS THE PERMANENT. WE CAN FIGURE THAT PART OUT THROUGH. THAT'S PART OF PURPOSE THE INNER LOCAL. >> BUT THE CITY'S NAME SHOULD ALWAYS BE. >> THE PERMITS SHOULD BE IN THE CITIES NAME. >> THAT'S CORRECT. JOHN. >> I THINK THE PROCESS IS GOING PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW. WE, AS A WHOLE, INCLUDING THE PARK BOARD, HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH PUTTING SAND ON OUR BEACHES. WE HAVE SOME AMAZING BEACHES. >> ALL OF OUR BEACHES. >> ALL OF OUR BEACHES. [NOISE] IT IS NOT A COMPETITION HERE. [02:35:01] THE WEST END IS NOT COMPETING AGAINST THE EAST END. [OVERLAPPING] I'M REALLY TIRED OF HEARING THAT DISCUSSION. WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR CITY AS A WHOLE. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME BEACHES ON THE WEST END THAT DO NEED SAND, BUT IT IS NOT A COMPETITION BETWEEN THE EAST AND THE WEST. >> IT SHOULD NOT BE, YOU'RE RIGHT. >> BUT IT'S NOT. WHETHER WE PUT SAND ON OUR BEACHES, IT IS IN GALVESTON. IT'S NOT THE EAST OR WEST THING. IF THERE ARE BEACHES THAT NEED SAND AND WE CAN DIRECT THAT, THAT IS GREAT. BUT I HATE THAT CONTINUING TO BE BROUGHT UP THAT WE ARE COMPETING AT EACH OTHER. >> IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE SAND. >> [OVERLAPPING] MY DISTRICT IS JUST IMPORTANT AS YOUR DISTRICT. >> [OVERLAPPING] I AGREE, ALL THE DISTRICTS ARE. >> I WISH WE WOULD STOP USING THOSE TERMS AT LEAST. IT IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. WE NEED TO USE OUR RESOURCES WISELY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING IT EFFICIENTLY. >> WE GO BACK AND READ THAT DOCUMENT AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE COMPETITION IS. >> LET'S MOVE ON. >> IF THE PARK BOARD CAN DO THINGS BETTER THAN THE CITY, THEN WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOING THAT, IF THE CITY CAN DO THINGS BETTER, WE NEED TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THIS COMPETITIVE MENTALITY WITHIN THE CITY ENTITIES. >> I AGREE. THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS. THE CITY SHOULD NEVER BE COMPETING WITH THE PARK BOARD. >> I DON T THINK WE HAVE IN THE PAST. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, MARIA. YOU'VE DEFINITELY BEEN VERY CLEAR ON IT. BUT WE NEED TO GET PAST THAT. >> I AGREE. >> WE NEED TO PUT SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT WORK, THAT MAKE IT EFFICIENT, AND CONTINUE GOING DOWN THAT PATH. >> I WOULD AGREE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS? I'M GOING TO PUT OUT A THOUGHT ON THIS. FIRST OF ALL, MY NOTES HERE SEEMS LIKE THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE IN CONTROL OF THIS PLAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR PROCESS. I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THIS FLOWS. >> I THINK THE PROCESS DEFINITELY NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE PARK BOARD BECAUSE I THINK, AND WHILE I AGREE 100% THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE COMPETING, I ALSO AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ISLAND HOLISTICALLY. WE DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER. >> CORRECT. >> WE'VE GOT CRITICAL NEEDS THAT WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS MOST OF THOSE ARE WEST RIGHT NOW. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE JUST SAY WE'RE NEVER GOING TO READ NURSE ON THE EAST END EVER AGAIN. THAT JUST MEANS WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT. THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE CATCH-UP AT FIRST, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO BALANCE IT, AND I THINK THAT'S THE GOAL HERE, AND WE CAN'T BALANCE IT WITHOUT INPUT FROM OUR TOURISM PARTNERS BECAUSE THEY CAN TELL US, HEY THIS IS BIT THE THIS IS WHERE WE GET PETER'S INPUT, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HAVING ROCK EXPOSURE, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HAVING, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT BEING COLLABORATIVE EFFORT FROM THE INPUT SIDE, BUT I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO BE VERY CLEAR, PERMITS AND THE CITY'S NAME, CITY DECIDES AS THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON FINAL PLACEMENT IN THAT WE ARE THE POINT OF CONTACT WITH THESE TWO AGENCIES. >> I AGREE. BRIAN, GO AHEAD. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION. SOMETIMES WE ARE REALLY NOT THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON WHERE THE SAND GOES. WE DO NOT PAY 100% FOR THE SAND. IF THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS SAYS, WE HAVE MOVED FROM THIS. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE ULTIMATE DECIDER WHERE THE SAND GOES IS GOD. [LAUGHTER] BUT NO, I THINK WHERE THE SAND IS GETTING BOGGED GOES, I THINK YOU ARE IN THE ONLY POSITION WHERE. >> WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE SAND, THE CORE AND THE GLO HAVE A LOT OF INPUT OF WHERE THE SAND GOES. >> WELL, THAT'S RIGHT, AND THAT FACTORS INTO THE DECISION AT THE COURSES I'M ONLY GOING TO TAKE IT TO 99TH STREET. YOU LIVE, EAT WELL >> [OVERLAPPING] OR YOU PONY UP. >> OR YOU PONY UP, AND THAT'S THE DECISION COUNTS, BUT THAT'S ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S DECISION. >> YEAH. BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN THE PAST. WE'VE PAID OUR MATCHING FUNDS AND THAT'S IT. >> WE FUNDED IT. >> WE NEEDED THE MONEY AS THEY GO AWAY GOING BACK. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT'S WHAT WE DID AND WE NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING. >> THE BIG FAIR TOO, THE PARK BOARD HAS PUT IN MATCHING FUNDS ON THESE PROJECTS, SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. >> THAT'S NOT THERE. NOBODY HERE. >> NO, NO. LET ME CORRECT THAT TOO. THERE IS SOME BEACH USER FEE MONEY BECAUSE THEY DO TAKE SOME MONEY OUT FOR THEIR BEACH. >>> IS THAT OR IS IT NOT THE CITY'S MONEY? >> IS THAT THE CITY'S? IT'S ALL THE CITIZENS MONEY. >> THANK YOU. [NOISE] >> THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I WOULD MAKE ON THIS NOW AND IN THE FUTURE, TO HAVE A VERY STRONG COASTAL RESOURCE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE SO IMPORTANT FOR THIS ISLAND. >> I ASKED FOUR MEMBERS THAT ARE ON IDC HERE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU BRING PLANS TO YOU GUYS. >> OH, I UNDERSTAND, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW KYLE, WE HAVE KYLE BACK THERE. THERE'S DILIGENTLY WORKING. THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT DEPARTMENT AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE PERSONNEL AND THE EXPERTISE TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNCTIONS. >> FOR THE NON-IDC MEMBERS THAT HAVEN'T HEARD THIS ALREADY, WELL, THE TECH THAT WE'RE TAKING WITH THIS IS WE'VE HIRED [02:40:02] SOME OUTSTANDING PROJECT MANAGEMENT FOLKS IN COW, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE REALIZE RIGHT NOW AS A CITY OF 50,000, EVEN WITH AN IDC, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HIRE EVERY LEVEL OF EXPERTISE THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS, SO COW IS GOING TO MANAGE THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN OUTSIDE EXPERTISE AS NEEDED, SO OUR CONTRACT BUDGET IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER IN THERE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE HELP ON OUR SIDE JUST TO PROCESS THE DAY-TO-DAY STUFF. BUT OVERALL, WE'RE GOING TO START SOLVING THIS OUT, SO WE GOT THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME. >> HOWEVER YOU DO THAT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT THAT IN THE BUDGET. WILL, I KNOW YOU WILL. >> YES SIR. >> THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. [OVERLAPPING] ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, COUNCIL? COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 15 MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO CUT THIS DISCUSSION OFF HERE, AND IN 15 MINUTES, LET'S DO PAID PARKING. >> CERTAINLY NINE CONTROVERSY. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, NELLY GO AHEAD AND READ THAT, PLEASE, MA'AM. >> ITEM 3B2, PAY PARKING ON THE SEAWALL. >> I'M GOING TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION OUT THIS WAY. I THINK IT WOULD NOT SURE DO ANY SERVICE TO GO BACK INTO THE HISTORY OF WHO'S DOING WHAT IF THE MATTER OF THE FACT IS THAT THE PARK BOARD HAS BEEN RUNNING PAID PARKING. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN DOING A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. IT COMES UP THOUGH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS I'D LIKE TO SEE TO LOOK AT THE FINANCES, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO DO A PRO FORMA BUY-IN IN MY MIND, AND COME BACK AND SHOW WHERE YOU FEEL THAT THE CITY CAN DO A BETTER JOB OR POSSIBLY THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE REVENUE COMING FROM THE PARK BOARD IN THEIR MANAGEMENT OF THIS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE LOOK AT IT VERY CLOSELY. >> [NOISE] THE SAME AS THE OTHERS. >> YES SIR. LET'S OPEN IT UP. >> I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. YES, SIR. >> RIGHT NOW, OTHER THAN WHAT THE PARK BOARD IS USING FOR THEIR EXPENSES, THE 15% OF IT GETS TRANSFERRED TO THE CITIES CAPITAL RESERVE, 10% GETS TO THE CITIES MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR FUND AND THEN THE REST OF THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR GOES TO THE CITY. >> THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD WITH, AGAIN, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD FEE THAT'S ASSESSED TO IT. THE OTHER THING IS JUST THE GENERAL, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE MAYOR. I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, KEEP THINGS CLEAN UP THERE. THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE UP THERE. IF YOU DEFER MAINTENANCE ON ANYTHING LONG ENOUGH, IT BECOMES A CAPITAL ITEM. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ADDRESSING THAT PROPERLY. WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL FUNDING THAT'S COMING IN. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHERS AND THAT WE HAVE VALID LANGUAGE THAT TELLS US WHERE THIS MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TO. WE NEED TO ALMOST DO A LITTLE INTERNAL LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BALLOT LANGUAGE, WHICH I THINK WE ARE. BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF MONEY IS GOING. THIS ISN'T MONEY IT'S GOING TO COME TO THE GENERAL FUND. THIS IS MONEY THAT'S GOING TO GO RIGHT BACK INTO THE SEAWALL AMENITIES. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAXIMIZING THAT RETURN. >> WHEN YOU SAY TAKE OVER THE PARKING DOES THAT INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT GOES DOWN THE SEAWALL? THE TRASH PICKUP, THE CLEANUP OF THE [OVERLAPPING] >> THIS IS THE PAID PARKING PROGRAM. >> THEN THE PARK BOARD WHO ALL THAT STUFF GETS PUT INTO THAT, SO THEY HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO GET THAT MONEY? >> THAT MONEY? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS ALWAYS PAID THE PARK BOARD FOR ITS SERVICES UP THERE. PLUS, THEY ACTUALLY GET FUNDING FOR THAT FROM THE STATE AND IT'S HOT ELIGIBLE FUNDING. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF FUNDING SOURCES FOR IT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A CREW READY TO GO CLEAN THE BEACHES THAT LOSE TOMORROW. >> CORRECT. >> I'M NOT AS INCLINED TO THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE AS BIG, BUT CHANGES IS WHAT EVERYBODY MIGHT BE THINKING HERE. BUT I DO THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE COLLECT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND WE'RE SPENDING $800,000 A YEAR TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM AND I HEARD THAT IS NOT THE NUMBERS. I'M JUST MAKING THAT UP. THAT DESERVES A LOOK. IF WE'RE COLLECTING A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND SPEND $200,000, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE THUMBS UP FROM STAFF AND MOVE ON DOWN THE ROAD. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT IT, MAKE SURE AND BRING YOU GUYS BACK THE BEST DEAL. >> WHY ARE WE LOOKING SO HARD AT THIS 10% THAT GETS PAID TO THE UPPER MANAGEMENT? HOW ELSE ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO PAY THEIR MANAGEMENT? >> THE 10% IS A NUMBER THAT THEY BACKED IT TO THROUGH THERE, WHEREVER THAT MAXIMUM STUDY. BUT THAT 10% IS TO COVER ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD, THAT'S FINE. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE 10% AND THEN STILL BUILD THE ACTUAL EXPENSES TOO. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT HAPPENING. >> VERY GOOD. >> I'M GOING TO SAY IT IS, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE NUMBERS. [02:45:03] >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO MAKE IT AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION IF THIS HAS COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, WE'VE GOT 10 MINUTES TO GO. I THINK OUR NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO TAKE LONGER THAN THAT. I THINK I HATE TO GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION THEN HAVE TO COME BACK AND REMEMBER WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. WE'LL PUT THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA HERE. YES, JOHN. >> DOES THIS QUESTION OF OCCUPANCY, TAX RULE OF MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATES SOFTWARE PROGRAMS. SOME OF THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND THEN A LOCAL? >> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> WHEN ARE WE LOOKING TO GET THE INNER LOCAL FINISHED? >> SOON AS YOU GUYS GIVE ME SOME DIRECTION. WE ARE GOING TO VOTE, THIS NEXT ONE IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH STEWART BEACH. OTHER THINGS I'M ROCKING AND ROLLING. >> YOU'RE LOOKING TO DISCUSS THIS IN THE NEXT WORKSHOP? >> YES. >> IN ONE OF THE ONLINE MEETINGS? >> YES, SIR. >> CAN WE JUST DO A QUICK GO AROUND WITHOUT A BUNCH OF DISCUSSION WHETHER THIS SHOULD BE MET AT THE PARK BOARDS. >> COUNCILS FAVOR IF YOU HOT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. >> I'LL JUST START OFF BY JUST SAYING, I THINK THIS INNER LOCAL, I THINK WE'D PROBABLY WOULD STAY THE SAME IN MY OPINION, BUT I'LL LET YOU. >> GOOD POINT, DAVID. >> COLLECTING AND MANAGING THE ASSOCIATED SOFTWARE MAY SHORT-CIRCUIT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S HOT AND WHAT'S NOT, WHERE THIS MONEY GOES, WHAT IT CALLS, SO FORTH. I DO WANT TO DISCUSS THIS IN THE APPROPRIATE MEETING. >> YOU WANT WHAT? >> I WANT TO FOLLOW YOUR LEAD AND TAKE THIS ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO BE DISCUSSED ON THE 27TH MEETING. WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT NEEDS TO MOVED TO THE 27TH. >> THAT'S WHERE IT WILL BE. YES, MA'AM. WILLIAM, ANY THOUGHTS? >> WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT THAT NIGHT? >> AS ALWAYS YOUR COUNCIL, AND YOU GUYS KEEP IN MIND, I'M NOT GOING BE FINALIZING AN INNER LOCAL BY THE END OF THE APRIL. THIS CAN BE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE PUT AT THE END OF THE INNER LOCAL DISCUSSIONS AND WE MARCHED FORWARD WITH THE OTHERS. >> WE WILL HAVE IT AS WORKSHOPS. >> YOU WOULD WANT SOME DIRECTION ON HOW WE WRITE. >> [OVERLAPPING] ACTION ON THE BODY, DISCUSSION. I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY PERSONNEL AND THE TRAINING OF THE NEW SOFTWARE? >> I BELIEVE HOC'S BEEN INVOLVED IN HERE? >> IT'S THE SELECTION PROCESS. >> IT'S THE SELECTION PROCESS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE TRIAL. >> BECAUSE I KNOW, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY HAD LIKE TWO OR THREE SESSIONS. THEY'RE ARE BUILDING IT. >> THIS IS BASICALLY A THROWBACK TO THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE HAD EARLY ON IN THIS, THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PREDISPOSED IDEAS ON THIS ONE. >> THAT'S IN THE CURRENT IN A ROW. IT'S ALREADY THERE. >> IT'S ALREADY THERE. >> IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE FUNDING NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THERE IS THE COST OF THE SOFTWARE WITH THE INCREASED FEE. >> ANY FEW OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? >> IF SO, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING? THIS SEEMS LIKE MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATES SOFTWARE PROGRAMS. IN MY MIND WHO'S GOING TO ACTUALLY MANIPULATE THAT? [OVERLAPPING] >> NO. I THINK IT ALSO COMES DOWN TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH BRYCE AND SAY BRYSON, WHAT DOES IT COST ME TO COLLECT THE HOT TAX TO COLLECT THIS FEE AND TO ADMINISTER THE SOFTWARE AND TO RUN THE CALL CENTER, AND WE JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS TO, DO YOU WANT US TO TRIM IT DOWN OR YOU WANT US TO? >> LOOK, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON THIS. I DON'T WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IF IT IS THE ACTUAL MANAGEMENT OF THE SOFTWARE, THAT'S ONE THING. IF IT'S THE FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED FROM THE SOFTWARE, WHO GETS THE EXCESS MONEY FROM THAT? THAT'S ANOTHER ONE? >> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT, BUT OKAY. >> THE FEES WILL IT COME TO THE CITY? >> YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT THE CITY TO MANAGE IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT IT'S ALSO NOT FAIR TO SAY BRYSON, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL YOUR MONEY, YOU MANAGE THE SOFTWARE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR EITHER. >> YEAH, HE NEEDS [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S A COLLECTION OF HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, BUT IT'S NOT ALL UP. SOME OF THE REGISTRATION FEE PAID, THAT IS NOT UP. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THIS IS A MORE COMPLEX ISSUE EVEN THOUGH. >> IT'S A LITTLE COMPLEX. >> BRIAN, WHAT I LOOK FOR AS YOU BRING, RESEARCH THIS ITEM WHEN WE HAVE IT ON THE WORKSHOP ON THE 27TH, YOU COME BACK WITH SOME MORE DATA AND ASK IF WE COULD. >> I GOT IT. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS, COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT 6 MINUTES BEFORE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO WIND UP. >> ACTUALLY, I'M IMPRESSED. >> EXCUSE ME. >> WE'VE GONE THROUGH THAT WHOLE LIST, I'M IMPRESSED. >> I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL. THIS WAS SOME VERY GOOD DISCUSSION. IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE FOR A LONG TIME AND FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS. [OVERLAPPING] >> THERE'S THREE BEFORE. >> I KNOW. [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT TO THE WORKSHOP ALSO. >> THAT'S JUST MORE OF A HEADS UP ALONG THE TRICKLE-DOWN NUMBERS IS THAT TRICKLE-DOWN IS NOT FOREVER GUYS. [02:50:01] THAT'S 100% FUNDED FROM TRICKLE DOWN. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO MARDI GRAS AND WE WANT TO [OVERLAPPING] >> LET'S PUT THAT BACK ON. >> YES SIR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RESEARCH THIS TOPIC A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE FUTURE ON THESE REVENUES THAT ARE GENERATED OFF OF MARDI GRAS BY [INAUDIBLE] AGAIN, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT WE CAN USE THIS MONEY. IT'S NOT RESTRICTED ONCE IT COMES BACK TO US, BUT [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK IT'S IN THE HOC TONIGHT. >> I AM. >> I AM SEEING IN FOR MY HANDLES, SO I'M GOOD. >> PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S JUST [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU, JOHN. JOHN HAS GOT A POINT FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN GOOGLE AND OVER HERE BUT [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M NOT GOOGLE LAWYER, BUT I'M JUST HERE TO BRING THINGS UP. >> I KNOW SIR. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S WHAT I'D BE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT OR IN THE FUTURE [OVERLAPPING] TALKING ABOUT MARDI GRAS. >> I DON'T WANT TO OPEN UP PANDORA'S BOX HERE, BUT I THINK THIS COULD BE A SPRINGBOARD. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT MARDI GRAS IN MY OPINION. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS THE FEE STRUCTURES AND ALL OF THAT THAT FALL WITH MARDI GRAS, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER TOPIC ABOUT GRAS HOWEVER[OVERLAPPING] VERY GOOD. WE'LL HAVE THE MARDI GRAS ITEM ON THE APRIL 27TH AGENDA AND ALSO, COUNCIL. I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL, THIS WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION TODAY. WE PROBABLY GOT MORE ACCOMPLISHED CONCERNING PARK BOARD ACTIVITIES THAN IN A LONG TIME. THIS NEEDED TO BE DONE AND I WANTED TO MENTION TO COUNCIL, THIS IS NOT ONLY A PART BOARD DISCUSSION. WE'VE SET A PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. IN MANY OF THESE OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT COME UP, THESE ARE GOING TO COME TO COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND THEN STAFF WILL CARRY THAT OUT. THIS IS A CHANGE IN THE FLOW OF THINGS, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE FAR MORE EFFECTIVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY WE'VE GONE THROUGH OUR AGENDA. IT IS 11:56, WE ADJOURN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GUYS. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.