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I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.[Landmark Commission on December 19, 2022.]
TODAY IS MONDAY, DECEMBER 19TH, AND THE TIME IS 4:00.WE WILL START WITH ATTENDANCE.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER BAKER IS ABSENT.
COMMISSIONER FLINT-BUDDE. PRESENT.
CHARIPERSON PATTERSON. PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SWANSON.
PRESENT. COUNCILMEMBER COLLINS.
PRESENT. DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST ANYBODY? NO. OKAY.
MOVING ON. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY SEE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO. SEEING NONE.
WE ALL GOOD WITH THE MINUTES? OKAY. MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED AND APPROVED.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO REBOOT HERE IN A SECOND.
[LAUGHTER] OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED.
WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO OLD BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE FIRST CASE IS 22LC-048 (1015 SEALY).
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING TO THE FRONT PORCH AND REPLACEMENT OF THE FRONT DOOR.
AT THE DECEMBER 5TH, 2022 MEETING, THIS REQUEST WAS DEFERRED TO TODAY'S MEETING IN ORDER FOR THE FOUR STAFF TO PERFORM MORE PERFORM MORE RESEARCH ABOUT THE SCOPE OF WORK. THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT WINDOW MODIFICATIONS HAD OCCURRED.
THE WINDOWS ARE OBSCURED BY ARAMCO BLINDS AND THE DESIGN COULD NOT BE DETERMINED.
THE WINDOWS SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ARE IN A TWO-OVER-TWO PATTERN.
THE CURRENT LIGHT CONFIGURATION IS ONE-OVER-ONE.
STAFF CONTINUES TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE REQUEST AS OUTLINED IN THE ATTACHED STAFF REPORT.
AND WE HAVE THE SAME PHOTOS THAT WE SHOWED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
THESE ARE PICTURES THAT STAFF HAS IN OUR FILES FROM 2015.
AND THEN EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A CURRENT PHOTOGRAPH.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION, CATHERINE.
IN THESE PHOTOS AND IN OTHER PHOTOS I HAVE SEEN, I MUST SAY LET ME PREFACE THAT STATEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THESE CHANGES WERE DONE UNDER THE CURRENT OR PREVIOUS OWNER. AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S CHANGED HANDS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
I THINK THE PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS.
IF YOU GIVE ME JUST A MINUTE, SIR, WE'LL CALL YOU UP.
OKAY. BUT IN OTHER PHOTOS I HAVE SEEN, LIKE THE ONE I THINK IS HERE.
IS IT HERE? IS IT JUST ONLINE WHERE YOU DEFINITELY SEE A TWO-OVER-TWO PATTERN? AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW LOOKS LIKE FOUR SET WINDOWS, BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS CASE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE WINDOWS.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO. YOU NOTE THAT THERE'S BEEN WINDOW CHANGES.
OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT INCLUDES THE WINDOWS, OKAY.
YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE CLEAR IN YOUR MOTION IF YOU WANT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THE SAME IS TRUE ABOUT THE DOOR ISN'T SPECIFIC, ISN'T SPECIFIED.
THE DOOR IS SPECIFIED IN THIS SCOPE AND THIS RECOMMENDATION.
YES. THE DOOR AND THE RAILING.
THE DOOR. THE FRONT DOOR AND THE RAILING.
CATHERINE, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? DIDN'T YOU ADDRESS THE DOOR AND THE BALUSTRADE RAILINGS AND THE POST? THREE THINGS. YES. THE TURNED POSTS, THE RAILINGS AND THE FRONT DOOR.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. OKAY.
I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF MR. HADLEY OR OUR REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT.
COULD YOU PLEASE COME AND SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR US? SURE.
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YOU'RE THE ONE THAT WAS WITH US A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO? NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.OKAY. SO I KNOW YOU'VE ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I DON'T HAVE VERIFICATION OF THAT.
BUT I'LL LOOK. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THIS REPORT.
WE JUST PURCHASED THEM ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK.
YEAH. SO YES, I CAN CONFIRM THAT CHRIS AND I HAD SOME EMAIL EXCHANGES ABOUT THE TURN COLUMNS AND THE ONES THAT HE SAID HE WAS PURCHASING ARE A PRETTY GOOD MATCH TO WHAT WAS THERE.
I'M GOING TO LET YOU FINISH? YOU WANT TO TELL US ANY MORE ABOUT IT? WELL, THAT IS ALL ABOUT THE COLUMNS.
YES, THE FRONT WINDOWS WERE ONE-OVER-ONE, BASICALLY.
AND WE TURNED THEM INTO JUST TWO FIXED.
SO THAT IS ON US HISTORICALLY, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THEIRS, TWO-OVER-TWO .
AND WE SEE EARLIER PICTURES FROM TWO.
WELL, AND IN THE SALVAGE WAREHOUSES, THEY'RE SO COMMON TO FIND THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THE STAIRS, THE BANISTER, THE RAILINGS.
AND THE PREVIOUS ONES THAT WERE I'LL KNOW WHAT GOES ON.
CORRECT. SO THEY WANT US TO GO BACKWARDS ON THEM WITH WHAT WE HAVE ACCEPTABLE.
THEY WEREN'T LIKE THE ONE NEXT DOOR AND THOSE ARE METAL.
THESE WERE ACTUALLY THE SAME RAILINGS, BUT JUST THE PICKETS THEMSELVES.
THERE YOU GO. SO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY A COUPLE OF POINTS AND DONNA MAY CATCH ME ON THIS AS WELL.
WE CAN ONLY ADDRESS WHAT IS IN THE APPLICATION.
THE APPLICATION IS FOR THE EXISTING POST DOOR AND RAILINGS.
SO TO MY FELLOW COMPADRES UP HERE RUNNING A LITTLE SLOW TODAY, THE POST HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMEDIED.
SO IF WE APPROVED IT, BE NO PROBLEM.
IF WE DIDN'T, THEN IT WOULD, YOU'D COME BACK TO CATHERINE WITH PLAN B.
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.
SO THAT SAID, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DID YOU SAY THE WINDOWS ARE FIXED? CORRECT. SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ONE-OVER-ONE FIX.
SOLID GLASS, ONE-OVER-ONE YEAH, RIGHT.
AND HE HAS STATED THAT HE IS HAPPY TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS BACK TO THE WAY THEY WERE.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT THERE WERE, AS I DID MY RESEARCH, THERE WERE SEVERAL OWNERS OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND IT BASICALLY HAD BEEN VACANT SINCE MAYBE IKE OR EARLIER. AND IT CHANGED HANDS.
AND SO A LOT OF THINGS WERE DONE.
HOWEVER, IN PRESERVATION, YOU KIND OF INHERIT WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU BUY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE OPTION AS I GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL. SO THE RULES APPLY TO ALL OF US.
IS IT JUST THESE OR THE WINDOWS THAT WE HAVE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE FRONT THAT WE'RE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH? I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE UP WITH CATHERINE.
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SO A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S A LOT MORE LEEWAY GIVEN TO, YOU KNOW, BACK INSIDE.THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS CASE? SEEING NONE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
THE POST HAVE ALREADY BEEN REMEDIED.
I FORGOT TO ASK ONE OTHER THING.
CAN I ASK THAT OF THE APPLICANT? YES. SORRY.
ALL RIGHT. A LITTLE JANE FONDA WORK GOING ON.
[LAUGHTER] IS THIS PROPERTY CURRENTLY FOR SALE? NO, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT GOING TO BE SOLD.
THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR ME. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND I'LL JUST NOTE FOR THE COMMISSION THAT THE APPLICANT AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE COLUMNS THAT HE WANTED TO PURCHASE, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED.
OKAY. SO WHEN YOU CONSIDERED RESOLVE, DO YOU STILL NEED SOME ACTION BY THE COMMISSION? OKAY. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO AND WE CAN COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN APPROVE THIS AND NOT THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO ITEMIZE IT IN THE MOTION. ALL OF IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIED IN THE MOTION.
SO IF WE DENY EVERYTHING, THEN NOTHING REALLY NEEDS TO CHANGE IF WE DENY THIS.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT THAT OR THIS PENDING CATHERINE'S APPROVAL.
THAT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM IN THE MOTION, JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
ALL RIGHT. SO, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? ALL RIGHT. I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THIS CASE.
I MAKE A MOTION ON CASE 22LC-048.
THAT WE DENY THIS REQUEST DUE TO NON CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE ALLOW FOR THE POST TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF BECAUSE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RAISED AND THAT WE APPROVE THAT THE WINDOWS ITEM, BE THAT THE WINDOWS BE APPROVED BY STAFF SO THEY CAN BE RETURNED TO THEIR NORMAL CONFIGURATION WITHOUT THE APPLICANT HAVING TO COME BACK TO US.
WE HAVE A WHOLE 'NOTHER DISCUSSION.
MY MOTION IS THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST BASED ON NON CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH INCLUDES THE DOOR, THE RAILINGS, HOWEVER, ON LINE A WE APPROVE THE POST PENDING STAFF'S APPROVAL.
WE APPROVE THE WINDOW MODIFICATIONS PENDING STAFF'S APPROVAL SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO US.
IF I MAY, JUST TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO STAFF AND STAFF WOULD DISAPPROVE IT.
I MEAN IT, YOU DON'T NEED THAT EXTRA.
AND THAT WOULD BE SATISFIED WITH THE DENIAL, STRAIGHT OUT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO GIVE HIM LEEWAY TO GO FORWARD WITH THE WINDOWS AND YEAH, YEAH. JUST A STRAIGHT OUT DENIAL, I THINK ACCOMPLISHES EVERYTHING THAT HE WOULD HAVE TO DO.
[LAUGHTER] SO I'M GOING TO, MY MOTION, I'LL RESTATE, IS TO DENY THIS CASE BASED ON NON CONFORMANCE.
DISCUSSION? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR.
I GUESS THAT'S UNANIMOUS. VOTE IS UNANIMOUS AND PASSES.
OKAY, SO MOVING ON TO CASE 22LC-053 (1416 BALL).
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I'D JUST LIKE TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS IS DANIEL LUNSFORD'S CASE AND I HAVE A CONFLICT ON IT, BUT HE'S OUT OF TOWN, SO I'M GOING TO BE DOING THE PRESENTATION.PUBLIC NOTICES SENT WERE SIX RETURNED, SIX SENT, TWO RETURNED THOSE TWO IN FAVOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR.
THE EXISTING FRONT DOORS ARE NOT BELIEVED TO BE ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
PLEASE SEE EXHIBIT A IN THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL.
PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
CONFORMANCE STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED DOOR DESIGN.
DONATION OR RE-USE ELSEWHERE MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING DOORS WITH CRAFTSMAN STYLE DOOR, WHICH IS NOT CLOSELY COMPATIBLE WITH EITHER THE VICTORIAN FEATURES OF THE HOUSE, NOR THE NEOCLASSICAL FEATURES.
CONDITION ONE: THE APPLICANT SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT SUBMITTED IN EXHIBIT A OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH ADDITIONAL COMMENT, A) MATERIAL BEING REMOVED SHALL BE STORED ON SITE OR MADE AVAILABLE TO A THIRD PARTY FOR RE-USE.
ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FESTIVELY DECORATED.
THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION OF THE EXISTING DOOR AND CONDITION AND THE PROPOSED DOOR AND THEN THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE APPLICANT TO REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT.
GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
THERE'S A LOT OF NATURAL WOODWORK INSIDE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
WE HAD A CASE THAT WAS ADDRESSED NOT TOO LONG AGO, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS MAYBE A LITTLE TOO REMOVED, SOME INAPPROPRIATE DETAIL. AND I'LL JUST, I'M GOING TO KIND OF TAKE THE SAME APPROACH I TOOK THEN REGARDING THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE.
BECAUSE THE DOOR IS OBVIOUSLY IN A CRAFTSMAN STYLE.
IT'S, AND AS IS THE HOUSE, BORN OUT OF ARTS AND CRAFTS AND CRAFTSMAN STYLE, IT'S NOT A BUNGALOW BY ANY MEANS, BUT WHAT IT IS IN THAT, IT IS IN THAT STYLE OF OF ARCHITECTURE.
THIS IS ACTUALLY BEFORE WE TOOK OFF THE.
COLUMNS. THE COLUMNS FROM AROUND THE DOOR.
SO NOW YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THE DOOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
IT'S SLIGHTLY RECESSED BEHIND THOSE TWO CORINTHIAN COLUMNS THAT WE'VE TAKEN OFF.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT ORDER THESE ARE IN, BUT THESE ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF THE NEOCLASSICAL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THEN A MORE OF A FULL VICTORIAN SIMPLE, SIMPLE FORM AND A FULL VICTORIAN.
THERE WAS NO SINGLE MANIFESTO, NO ONE STYLE TO WHICH IT ADHERED.
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INSPIRATION, AND THE VALUE OF SIMPLICITY, UTILITY AND BEAUTY.SO THAT GIVES YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THAT.
AND THEN AND THIS IMAGE ON THE LEFT IS NOT FROM MS. BEETON'S HOUSE, BUT IT IS, YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE MORE SLIDES THAT IT'S HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY THAT TYPE OF.
THESE ARE JUST WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED ALREADY.
THIS COPY OF OR A PHOTO OF THE CONDITION THE DOORS ARE IN TODAY.
YOU CAN SEE AND THIS IS THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE HERE LOOKING AT THE DOOR.
IT DOESN'T PICK IT UP WHEN YOU'RE OVER THERE.
DOES THIS WORK? DOOR HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IN THAT MOLDING ON THE PHOTO THAT HAS THE KNOB ON IT THAT THEY HAD TO MODIFY THAT DOOR IN ORDER TO USE IT. AND IF THE EXISTING DOOR FOLDS INTO PIECES RIGHT INTO BIFOLD DOOR AND THE OPENINGS ARE VERY SMALL SO THEY, ONE SIDE STAYS LATCHED.
AND IT ONLY GIVES ABOUT 26 INCHES CLEAR WHEN IT'S OPEN, WHICH OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T MEET CODE.
BUT REGARDLESS, IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE MORE THAN ANYTHING.
NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS LIKE THAT.
AND THERE'S A LITTLE SNIPPET OF SOME OF THE EXISTING WOODWORK THAT'S AT THE HOUSE.
YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ONE MORE.
YEAH. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE CRAFTSMAN HOUSES. SOME ARE FOUR SQUARE.
SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT GRANDER THAN YOUR TYPICAL ARTS AND CRAFTS OR CRAFTSMAN BUNGALOW.
JUST TO SHOW THAT STYLE WAS USED ON LARGER, MORE FANCIER HOUSES. SO THAT'S JUST AND OBVIOUSLY MS. BEETON'S HOUSE IS THE ONE IN THE LOWER RIGHT.
I WAS JUST ILLUSTRATING TO THE WOODWORK AND THE STAINED GLASS THAT WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE OF AN ARTS AND CRAFTS HOUSE ARE PRESENT HERE.
I'M NOT SURE THIS NEEDS ME TO ELABORATE ON THAT.
THIS STORE WILL BE 54 INCHES WIDE.
IT'LL BE CUSTOM MADE BY CRAFTSMEN, MOST LIKELY OUT OF MAHOGANY.
WE WON'T HAVE THAT MUCH GLASS.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW THE SCALE OF A DOOR THAT'S SIMILAR.
SURVEY HAS THE STYLE OF THE ARCHITECTURE WRONG.
AND SO THAT'S THE MATERIAL THAT STAFF HAS TO TO WORK WITH.
RIGHT. AND SO I THINK DANIEL'S JUST PLAYING IT REAL CONSERVATIVE, BASICALLY, TO RELY ON THAT SURVEY.
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AND I WOULD SAY I DON'T KNOW WHAT PURVIEW STAFF HAS TO CORRECT THE SURVEY, BUT I WOULD SAY IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE CORRECTED ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.BUT THERE MAY BE OTHER PROPERTIES, TOO.
OKAY. SO I HAVE JUST ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD.
PRETTY GOOD. DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
AND THERE DEFINITELY IS SOME TELL INSIDE THAT HOUSE THAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THAT HOUSE, BECAUSE THIS TO ME LOOKS LIKE FOUR SQUARE.
NOT EVEN CLOSE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? MS. BEETON, COME IN AND SIGN IN AND ANNOUNCE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I'M ELIZABETH BEETON, AND MY HUSBAND TIM AND I HAVE OWNED THE HOUSE AT 1416 BALL FOR 36 YEARS.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1908 AFTER THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE SITE WAS RELOCATED IN 1990 WHEN WE MOVED IN. THE HOUSE HAD BEEN MODIFIED MORE FUNDAMENTALLY ON THE OUTSIDE THAN THE INSIDE.
CLOSETS HAD BEEN ADDED AND SHEETROCK HAD BEEN INSTALLED OVER WINDOWS.
BUT THE ORIGINAL CRAFTSMAN FEATURES IN THE HOUSE HAD BEEN PRESERVED.
THE WOODWORK HAD BEEN PAINTED, BUT WE REMOVED THE PAINT AND RESTORED THE WOOD TO ITS NATURAL STATE.
THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE, THOUGH, AS YOU'VE OBSERVED, HAD BEEN MODIFIED A LOT, IN WAYS THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO RESTORE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MANY PHOTOGRAPHS.
FROM THE CITY'S RECORDS, WE KNOW THAT THE SOUTHEAST CORNERS OF THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR PORCHES WERE FULLY ROUNDED ALL THE WAY AROUND FIRST FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR.
THE EAST SIDE OF THE UPSTAIRS PORCH WHERE THAT FOURTH WINDOW IS WAS ENCLOSED.
SO THAT ORIGINALLY DUPLICATED THE DOWNSTAIRS PORCH.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED ON THE BACK PORCH.
THE UPSTAIRS PART OF THE BACK PORCH WAS ENCLOSED BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE.
AND AS SOME OF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PRIOR CASE WHEN WE WERE HERE, THERE WERE NEOCLASSICAL EMBELLISHMENTS TO THE FRONT PORCH THAT WE REMOVED EARLIER THIS YEAR WITH YOUR APPROVAL.
WE'D LIKE TO REPLACE THE FRONT DOOR BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL DOOR WAS REMOVED BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND THE REPLACEMENT DOOR WAS A POOR CHOICE.
IF WE KNEW WHAT THE ORIGINAL DOOR WAS, WE WOULD DUPLICATE IT.
BUT THE DOOR WE'RE PROPOSING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORIGINAL FEATURES OF THE HOUSE AND WILL BE MORE RESPECTFUL OF ITS ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND CHARACTER THAN THE CURRENT DOOR.
WE WILL PRESERVE ALL OF THE FRAME, SILL, HEAD, JAMBS, SURROUNDING MOLDINGS AND THE TRANSOM OVER THE DOOR, ALL OF WHICH ARE ORIGINAL.
THE GENERAL PRESERVATION PRINCIPLES OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS STATE THAT THEY ARE INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE RESPECT FOR THE BASIC ARCHITECTURAL SIMILARITIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE CHARACTER OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
HISTORICALLY, BUILDING MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE AS NEEDS CHANGED.
ALTHOUGH THESE CHANGES TO THIS HOUSE WERE NOT MADE FROM NEED.
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MANY OF THESE ALTERATIONS WERE SYMPATHETIC TO THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE AND MAY HAVE SINCE OBTAINED SIGNIFICANCE THEMSELVES.OTHERS, HOWEVER, WERE UNSYMPATHETIC CHANGES THAT ERODED THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF A BUILDING.
THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE INTENDED TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL FABRIC AND REMOVE ANY ALTERATIONS THAT HAVE COMPROMISED THE BUILDING'S ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY.
THE STANDARDS GO ON TO SAY THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESPECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S ALL ON PAGE 24 OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FRONT DOOR.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN MODIFIED IN SEVERAL PLACES TO FIT THIS OPENING.
AND THE DOOR IS NOT ONLY NOT ORIGINAL, IT'S INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE.
IT HAS EGG AND DART MOLDING ALL AROUND THIS DOOR, WHICH IS NOT FOUND ELSEWHERE ON THE HOUSE, INSIDE OR OUT, AND ISN'T COMMON IN CRAFTSMAN HOUSES.
THE DOOR IS PRIMARILY GLASS, MORE GLASS THAN WOOD.
OVER 70% OF THE HEIGHT OF THE DOOR IS GLASS.
AND THE GLASS IS NOT DECORATIVE IN ANY WAY.
ALL OF THE OTHER GLASS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE THAT IS FIXED IN PLACE, AS IS THE GLASS ON THIS DOOR, IS DECORATIVE AND WAS MADE TO ORDER BY ARTISANS. THERE ARE FOUR ORIGINAL EXTERIOR STAINED GLASS WINDOWS, AND I THINK YOU COULD SEE ONE OF THOSE IN THE PICTURES THAT BRAX SHOWED YOU OF THE HOUSE.
AND THREE ORIGINAL EXTERIOR TRANSOM WITH LEADED GLASS.
THOSE ARE DECORATIVE TRANSOM OVER THE WINDOWS.
IT DOESN'T SHOW UP REAL WELL IN THE PICTURES, BUT THEY'RE NOT PLAIN.
AND THEY MATCH THE TRANSOM OVER THE DOORS.
THAT FOURTH TRANSOM THERE ON THE RIGHT, WE ADDED, BECAUSE THAT WAS WHERE THE THE HOUSE WAS ENCLOSED WHEN THE PORCH WAS ENCLOSED AND WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK THE SAME AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
FURTHERMORE, THIS DOOR IS NOT LIKE ANY OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
SIX EXAMPLES OF TYPICAL HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL DOORS SHOWN ON PAGE 41 OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
IN FACT, THREE OF THOSE EXAMPLES ARE SOLID WOOD.
THOSE THAT DO HAVE GLASS INSERTS ARE MORE WOOD THAN GLASS RATHER THAN VICE VERSA.
THIS DOOR INSTEAD LOOKS MORE LIKE THE COMMERCIAL DOOR SHOWN ON PAGE 130 OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE PICTURES OF THOSE, BUT MAYBE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM.
USUALLY WE HANG CURTAINS ON THE INSIDE OF THE DOOR TO GIVE IT MORE SUBSTANCE AND FOR PRIVACY.
BUT WE TAKE THE CURTAINS DOWN DURING THE HOLIDAYS AND HANG WREATHS.
A FINAL ISSUE WITH THE DOOR IS THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO USE.
ONLY THE RIGHT SIDE CAN BE USED WITHOUT BOLTING THE LEFT DOOR AT THE TOP.
AND YOU HAVE TO, I HAVE TO REACH MYSELF TO UNLOCK, TO UNBOLT THE DOOR.
A CHILD WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AND THE DOOR CAN'T BE LOCKED IF THE LEFT SIDE IS UNBOLTED.
SO WE AND OUR GUESTS COME AND GO THROUGH THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS AN OPENING OF LESS THAN 26 INCHES.
THE THE WIDTH OF THE DOOR IS 26 INCHES.
BUT WHEN IT'S OPENING AND CLOSING, THE ACTUAL SPACE TO EXIT OR ENTER THROUGH IS SMALLER.
AND THAT IS HARD WITH BAGS OR CHILDREN OR EVEN A FEW EXTRA POUNDS.
THAT WOULDN'T BE SUCH AN ANOMALY IN SOME HISTORIC HOUSES.
BUT IN THIS CRAFTSMAN HOUSE IT IS.
NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THE HOUSE'S INFRASTRUCTURE IS CRAMPED OR AWKWARD.
REMOVING THIS DOOR WILL RESTORE AN ELEMENT OF ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY THAT WAS LOST WHEN THE ORIGINAL DOOR WAS REMOVED AND REPLACING IT WITH A HANDMADE WOODEN DOOR SYMPATHETIC TO THE BUILDING STYLE WILL ADD TO THE HOUSE'S HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
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THANK YOU. THANK YOU.ANY QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THIS CASE, SPEAK ON THIS CASE? NO. OK.
I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT HERE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
ALL RIGHT. I WILL MAKE A MOTION.
I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALLOW THIS REQUEST FOR THIS NEW DOOR.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE VERY TELLING SIGNS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE TRIM.
YOU'VE GOT A PICTURE OF IT IN YOUR BOOK, BUT THE INTERIOR TRIM ON ALL THOSE DOORS SPEAK TO A FOUR SQUARE CRAFTSMAN TYPE STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICANT JUST TOLD US IT WAS 1907.
RIGHT. AND THAT WAS PART OF LIKE, THIS IS A FOUR SQUARE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE FOUR SQUARES IN 1880.
SO, I, THAT'S MY MOTION AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M MAKING THIS MOTION.
DISCUSSION. CLARIFY THAT THAT'S ALSO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
OKAY. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD STUFF ABOUT REUSE THE DOOR.
CAN WE SEE THAT PICTURE AGAIN THAT JUST SHOWS EXISTING DOOR? AND THEN THE FAR LEFT HAND SIDE, THE FAR LEFT HAND PICTURE IS IN YOUR REPORT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRIM ON THAT PICTURE, ANYTHING ABOUT FOUR SQUARE, ARTS AND CRAFTS, CRAFTSMAN PERIOD, YOU RECOGNIZE IT IMMEDIATELY, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE GORGEOUS FIREPLACE PICTURES THAT SHOW THAT THIS IS NOT A NEOCLASSICAL DESIGN.
IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO. I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR. ANYBODY OPPOSED? NO? MOTION PASSES. THE VOTE IS UNANIMOUS AND PASSES.
OKAY. I GUESS THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE LEFT TO DO.
WE HAVE ONE MORE CASE. OH, MY GOSH.
HAD YOU ALL BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING.
I KEPT THINKING, WHY SHOULDN'T THE AUDIENCE.
CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR 22LC-054 (1207 MARKET).
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION TO THE FOLLOWING REQUEST, WHICH WAS 22LC-018.
REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO RETAIN REPLACEMENT WINDOWS.
SEVEN NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RETURNED.
IN 2021 HISTORIC WINDOWS WERE REPLACED AT THE HOUSE WITHOUT A PERMIT OR COMMISSION REVIEW.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SIX MONTH EXTENSION IN ORDER TO COMPLY.
PLEASE NOTE CONFORMANCE AND IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST FOR EXTENSION BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE IS THE SAME CONDITION AS THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, AND THEN ITEMS TWO THROUGH FIVE ARE STANDARD.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO OK IS THE APPLICANT, MR. CASTRO OR MRS. CASTRO? MY.
YOU, REPRESENTATIVE? YEAH. SO YOU'RE MRS. COMEAUX. OKAY.
COULD YOU SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? THIS IS A DARLING LITTLE COTTAGE.
I'M HERE ON 1207 MARKET STREET.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS.
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COMEAUX ON THIS EXTENSION? JUST I AM TRYING TO RETAIN LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR I USED, WE'RE NOT COMING TO ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT ON HOW TO REMEDY THIS.IT IS AN ADORABLE COTTAGE, THOUGH.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? NO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS CASE? NO.
WELL I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE 22LC-018 (1207 MARKET) FOR AN EXTENSION.
OKAY. THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE FOR THE SAME HOUSE.
YEAH. SO IT WAS I INCLUDED THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE PREVIOUS CASE.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE 22LC-054 PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY. I GUESS WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR? AND IT'S UNANIMOUS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON FOR DISCUSSION IN THE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY, WHICH I THINK IS MID JANUARY? RIGHT? WE HAVE ONE MEETING IN JANUARY, BUT IT IS CANCELED DUE TO A LACK OF CASELOAD.
SO WE WON'T SEE TILL THE FIRST WEEK IN FEBRUARY.
IT'LL BE FEBRUARY 6TH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO WE SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE'LL ALL FORGET BY THEN.
WE'LL HAVE CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S BY THEN.
OKAY. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A HAPPY AND SAFE HOLIDAYS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.