Nov 17, 2022 Joint Meeting of the Parks Board of Trustees and the City Council

[1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.

IT IS 2:30 P.M.

ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON AND WE WILL BE HEARING FROM THE PARK BOARD CHAIRMAN IN JUST A SECOND.

AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE HERE, THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF IN THE AUDIENCE.

AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING THIS IN THE COMMUNITY.

GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS AFTERNOON.

IT IS, AS I MENTIONED, 2:30 P.M.

I'M GOING TO OFFICIALLY OPEN FOR THE COUNCIL, THE JOINT MEETING TODAY WITH THE PARK BOARD.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE, BUT COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? . VERY GOOD.

CHAIRMAN DOUG FLUKE? GOOD AFTERNOON. AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME ALL THE CONSTITUENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AUDIENCE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING UP AND I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH THE ESTEEMED COUNCIL.

AND I ALSO WANT TO WELCOME ALL THE PARK BOARD EMPLOYEES THAT ARE WATCHING THIS WITH WITH HIGH INTEREST.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD, HONEST DISCUSSION HERE AND THAT WE, AS I WROTE IN 2019, KEEP THE POLITICS AND THAT HE GOES OUT OF THIS AND LET'S REACH SOLUTIONS THAT SATISFY THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE EMPLOYEES AND THE CITY OF GALVESTON.

SO IT IS 2:31 P.M.

WE'RE AT 823 ROSENBERG, GALVESTON, TEXAS.

I WILL CALL THE MEETING OF THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES TO ORDER AT THIS TIME.

CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL OR EVEN THE CALL ROLL? YES, SIR. WHERE DOES SHE GO? . WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THE MAYOR AND I HAVE AGREED THAT SINCE MIKE BOUVIER IS THE EX-OFFICIO ONE, THE LIAISON BETWEEN THE PARK BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, HE WILL INTRODUCE EACH OF THE ITEMS ON THE LIST.

SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER.

ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE START, JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

THIS DISCUSSION WILL BE TO BE BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES MEMBERS.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

WE DO HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE WITH OR RESOURCE AND FOR INFORMATION OR QUESTIONS IF WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF INPUT ON THAT.

I WOULD SAY, TOO, WE HAVE AN END POINT FOR THIS MEETING.

EITHER GOOD OR BAD.

IT'S AT 4:30.

SO, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KIND OF WATCH OUR SCHEDULE AS WE MOVE ALONG.

[3.A. Visioning For Stewart Beach Park And Seawolf Park]

THANK YOU. SO THE FIRST ITEM IS THREE, A VISIONING FOR STEWART BEACH PARK AND SEAWOLF PARK.

AND I'VE ASKED JASON HARDCASTLE TO TAKE THIS ITEM AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE JOINT MEETING AND TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS OUT HERE.

EXCELLENT. WELL, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

MAYOR, CHAIRMAN, CITY COUNCIL, PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK IN THE VISION THAT'S GONE IN TO LOOK AT STEWART BEACH AS WELL AS SEAWOLF PARK, WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO START, AND ON SEAWOLF PARK AS WELL.

AND TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

SO WITH THE ENTRANCE IN THE INTEREST OF INCLUSION AND TRANSPARENCY, I DEFINITELY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE ARRIVED AT ON SEAWOLF PARK THUS FAR.

AND ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I THINK THAT THIS PARK BOARD HAS REALIZED IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY OWNED ASSETS WHICH WE MANAGE, HAVE A COMPLEMENTARY RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER, EACH ONE SOMEWHAT INDIVIDUALISTIC, AND SO THAT THEY DON'T COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WE DON'T DEVOUR OUR OWN MARKET WITH EACH OF THESE ASSETS.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT KIND OF LED US TO LEAD, TO PRIORITIZE SEAWOLF PARK IS BECAUSE OF THE ENTHUSIASM THAT WAS GENERATED WHEN THE USS TEXAS FLOATED BY WAS TOWED BY WE'LL SAY.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU WERE OUT THERE.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING AT SEAWOLF PARK AND COMMEND OUR PARK BOARD STAFF, AS WELL AS THE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM IN THE JOB THAT THEY DID, HOSTING A RECORD

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IT IS A CULTURAL AND HISTORIC DESTINATION THAT CAN THE PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO WHEN GIVEN A REASON TO GO THERE.

SO WE'VE ROUGHLY TALKED ABOUT A MASTER PLAN AT THE PARK BOARD AND ALSO HAVE ASSEMBLED A SEAWOLF PARK TASK FORCE COMMITTEE THAT HAS HAD TWO MEETINGS THUS FAR, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS THE SAME MEETING GIVEN TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

AND ON THAT COMMITTEE ARE MYSELF, MARTY FLUKE, KELLY, DESHAWN, VINCE [INAUDIBLE], MIKE BOUVIER, BRIAN MAXWELL.

AND AM I FORGETTING ANYONE? NO, SIR. BRIAN ABIGAIL FROM CHS.

BRIAN ABIGAIL, YES, VERY GOOD.

A VERY CRITICAL COMPONENT WHICH ALSO HIGHLIGHTS ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES AT SEAWOLF PARK.

THERE ARE MANY STAKEHOLDERS WITH INTERESTS AT THIS PARK AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MOVED ON ANY FURTHER THAT WE DO DISCUSS WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WHAT THE PLANS ARE.

SO WE AREN'T CONCEPTUALIZING A FACILITY THAT MAY GO ON TOP OF ANOTHER FACILITY THAT ANOTHER STAKEHOLDER IS PLANNED OR THAT MAY NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF ANOTHER FACILITY THAT ANOTHER STAKEHOLDER IS PLANNING AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND AT THE END, I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS A COUPLE OF OPTIONS AND PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.

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SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BACKGROUND IS ONE OF THE THE GREAT COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THE TASK FORCE WAS IF WE'RE ABLE TO INCREASE ATTENDANCE AND THE APPEAL OF THIS ATTRACTION, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THESE THIS INCREASED NUMBERS OF ATTENDEES AS WELL? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE FACILITIES THERE HAVE THIS.

WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT HERE AT THE VISITATION.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE PARK AT ITS CAPACITY RIGHT NOW.

WE DO WANT TO VIEW THIS AS A POTENTIAL REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON AS WELL.

SO INCREASING ATTENDANCE IS A TOP PRIORITY.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM OUT THERE WITH TWO HISTORIC NAVAL VESSELS AS WELL.

WE ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SEAWHOLF PARK AND PELICAN ISLAND AS AN IMMIGRATION STATION AND A QUARANTINE SITE AND A PLACE WHERE MANY TEXANS THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR ANCESTORS AND ROOTS WERE ESTABLISHED FIRST AS TEXANS HERE AT PELICAN ISLAND. OTHER COUPLE OF KEY COMPONENTS THAT IT HAS, IT IS IT IS OPEN 365 DAYS A YEAR AND 24 HOURS A DAY AS WELL.

RESIDENTS CAN GET INTO THIS PARK FOR FREE.

AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE USING 300,000 OF THOSE REVENUES TO REVENUE SHARE WITH THE CITY OF GALVESTON AS WELL.

AND THE REASON IT IS OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, PRIMARILY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE IS DERIVED FROM THE PREEMINENT SPOT AS A FISHING DESTINATION HERE ALONG THE GULF COAST AS WELL.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL RELEVANCE OF THIS PARK, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING CARE OF OUR FISHERMEN BECAUSE THAT IS SUCH A SIGNIFICANT REVENUE DRIVER AS WELL, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPITALIZE ON ITS APPEAL IN THAT RESPECT, TOO.

SO BEAR WITH US ON THIS ROUGH SKETCH AS WELL.

THIS IS NOT TO SCALE, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE TASK FORCE HAS DISCUSSED IN CERTAIN ELEMENTS AT SEAWOLF PARK THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCORPORATED.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, JUST BECAUSE YOU SEE A FISHING PIER IN ONE SPOT WHERE THERE IS NOT ONE NOW DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN WHERE THAT FISHING PIER WILL ULTIMATELY BE BUILT, BUT IT DOES REPRESENT THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO EXPAND THE FISHING OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE AS WELL.

SO WHAT I'LL DO; IF YOU DON'T MIND? GO OVER HERE AND LOOK AT THE MAP.

SO RIGHT HERE WE DO HAVE OUR USS, STEWART AND USS CAVALLA, AS WELL.

OF COURSE WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE AS ATTRACTIONS THANKS TO THE CURRENT PARK BOARD STAFF AND MARTY IN PARTICULAR, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CAVALLA HISTORIC FOUNDATION.

YOU KNOW, NOT JUST MY OPINION, BUT ALSO IF YOU ASK BRIAN, ABIGAIL IS FAR SUPERIOR THAN IT EVER HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, AND WE ARE ENACTING A TRUE PARTNERSHIP AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND I THINK THAT'S DEMONSTRATED BY BRIAN'S INCLUSION ON THE SEAWALL PARK TASK FORCE COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STRUCTURE

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SO WE'VE MET, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

I KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE MUSEUM OPPORTUNITY OUT THERE, A COUPLE OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE IS ONE, THAT BRIAN AND HIS STAFF ARE LOOKING TO SECURE ADDITIONAL ARTIFACTS AS WELL FROM OTHER NAVAL MUSEUMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO BRING TO SEAWOLF PARK AND ALSO HAVE ON DISPLAY TO COMPLEMENT THE CAVALLA AND THE STEWART AS WELL.

ADDITIONALLY, UNBEKNOWNST TO ME, THERE ARE THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL ARTIFACTS STORED AWAY INSIDE THE VESSELS RIGHT NOW, WHICH ALSO NEED TO BE DISPLAYED AS WELL.

A LOT OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ARE SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND THIS IS ONE OF THE HARSHEST ENVIRONMENTS THERE ARE.

SO THEY ARE GOING TO NEED A CLIMATE CONTROLLED AREA AS WELL.

SO THERE'S BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT A STANDALONE BUILDING THAT WE SEE RIGHT HERE, WHICH BRIAN HAS AGREED THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM SO IT DOESN'T DEVOUR ANY OF THE PARKING SPOTS FOR FISHERMEN, IT DOESN'T DEVOUR POTENTIAL RV SPOTS AS WELL, OR A POTENTIAL REPRESENTATION FOR THE FORMER IMMIGRATION STATION TO ITS SEAWOLF PARK.

ANOTHER COUPLE OF IDEAS THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AS WELL IS THIS MUSEUM.

REPLICATING A KWANZAA HUT, WHICH YOU WOULD SEE AT A FORWARD OUTLYING BASE IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE ELEVATION AS WELL, WHICH ALSO COINCIDENTALLY, WILL MEET SURGE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.

THAT COULD ACTUALLY GO OVER THE DRIVE THAT THE VEHICLES WOULD DRIVE UNDER AS THEY ENTER THE PARK AS WELL.

SO, AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE WE SEE A POTENTIAL STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, BUT IT DOES ACCURATELY REPRESENT THAT WE WOULD WANT THE MUSEUM ON THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM AS WELL.

A COUPLE OF OTHER IDEAS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS WELL AND HAVING A HISTORY OF WORKING ON THIS FOR FIVE YEARS.

PREVIOUSLY ON CITY COUNCIL.

NOW, AS A PARK BOARD TRUSTEE, I'VE BEEN A PART OF MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY STAFF, WITH PARK BOARD STAFF, WITH TRUSTEES AND COUNCIL PEOPLE AS WELL.

AND ONE OF THE THE POTENTIAL ATTRACTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT EVERYONE HAS COALESCED AROUND AND EMBRACED IS AN RV PARK, WHICH WE CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD GO OVER WHERE THERE IS JUST AN EMPTY SPACE AS WELL.

IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN HOW MANY SPOTS WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE FACILITIES THAT RVS REQUIRE.

WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE AN UPSCALE FACILITY OR A BARE BONES FACILITY AS WELL.

ARE IN DISCUSSIONS.

AND THANKFULLY, WE'VE HAD FRUITFUL CONVERSATIONS AS WELL ON WHAT POTENTIAL FULL SERVICE RV PARK WOULD LOOK LIKE OUT THERE, HOW THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO POTENTIALLY CURRENT CITY INFRASTRUCTURE OR POTENTIALLY PORT OF HOUSTON PROPERTY THROUGH A NEGOTIATION OR MAYBE EVEN ADDITIONAL CITY PROPERTY AS WELL OUT THERE.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THIS DOES HAVE WIDESPREAD SUPPORT AMONG SEVERAL AMONG ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH DOES ALSO INCLUDE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM AS WELL.

SO, BRIAN, ABIGAIL BROUGHT UP AGAIN, AND I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IT FOR BRIEFLY EARLIER, THAT THE GEOGRAPHY IS A CHALLENGE OUT HERE AND GETTING PEOPLE THERE IS A CHALLENGE AS WELL.

I MEAN, AS A FAMILY OF FIVE WITH THREE CHILDREN, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I WANT TO DO IS PACK UP AND LOAD UP, UNLOAD, UNPACK AS FEW TIMES AS POSSIBLE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT THIS DOES AS A CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL DESTINATION ALSO CAN POTENTIALLY TIE IN TO THE STRAND NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT BY A WATER TAXI, WHICH WE DO SEE REPRESENTED HERE AS A POTENTIAL DOCK ON THIS POTENTIAL NEW FISHING PIER AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T GET WRAPPED UP ON WHERE IT IS ON HERE.

IT COULD BE IN OTHER SPACES.

AND WE ARE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM ON HOW THAT COULD POTENTIALLY WORK AS WELL.

SO WHAT WE ARE ALSO IN THE MIDST OF DISCUSSING, SIMILAR TO HOW THE RV PARK WOULD WORK, IS WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO TACKLE THIS ASSUMED ATTRACTION AS A WATER TAXI, TOO.

HOW DO WE SECURE THE VESSEL? WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY? WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD TEST RUN AND HOW LONG SHOULD THAT BE? BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT SOMEONE WHO, BEFORE THEY ARRIVED IN GALVESTON AND LIVED IN ABILENE, TEXAS, TULSA, OKLAHOMA, AND LONGVIEW, TEXAS, IS LANDMARK AS YOU CAN BE, WOULD HAVE LOVED ANY OPPORTUNITY TO COME TO GALVESTON AND GET ON THE WATER, ESPECIALLY, TOO, WITH THE SIGHTS THERE, THE DOLPHINS, THE WORKING PORT.

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I DO THINK THAT THE WATER TAXI COULD BE AN ATTRACTION UPON ITSELF, WHICH WOULD ENHANCE THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE RUN PROJECTIONS ON.

BUT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE A TRIAL RUN WITH THIS AS WELL.

AND IF OUR PROJECTIONS ARE MET OR EXCEEDED, THEN WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL ATTRACTIONS OUT HERE AS WELL.

SO SOME OF THOSE THAT I'VE ALLUDED TO IS THE ADDITIONAL CURRENT KABALA STORK FOUNDATION INVENTORY, THE POTENTIAL NIMBYISM AS WELL.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT KIND OF TIES BACK TO THE FACILITIES FOR THE RV PARK, IF WE DO ENHANCE THE ATTENDANCE AT THIS PARK AS WE PREDICT IT WILL, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ACCOMMODATION.

THERE'S GOING TO BE HAVE TO BE PLACES TO GO TO THE RESTROOM.

THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PLACES FOR FOOD, DRINKS, SO ON AND SO FORTH AS WELL.

IT'S ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE FOR PEOPLE TO DO.

SO WE DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE INCREASED CONTENT OUT THERE.

MAYBE A TRAIL THAT LINKS THE GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM TO THE IMMIGRATION STATION REPLICA AS WELL.

AND THEN ALSO, MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN OUT THERE.

THEY LOVE THE PLAYGROUND.

AND THERE ALSO COULD BE POTENTIAL SPLASH PADS AS WELL.

CAN I MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE? PLEASE, AND ANYONE ELSE.

I GOT ONE.

SO, I'VE BEEN POKING AT THAT FISHING PIER SAYING THAT THING WILL NEVER WITHSTAND THE WEIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO ROLL AWAY.

SO ONE OF THE VALUES OF HAVING A CROSS FUNCTIONAL TEAM IS I BELIEVE IT'S BRIAN MAXWELL THAT SOLVED THE PROBLEM.

THAT SAID, WE COULD PUT THAT OVER THE RIP RAMP UP NEXT TO THE BULKHEAD AND IT CAN BE STABLE AND IT WILL WITHSTAND THAT.

SO IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE MULTIPLE [INAUDIBLE].

AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS WE THINK OF THAT WATER TAXI AS A TWO WAY TO BRING PEOPLE FROM THE PARK OVER TO THE STRAND FOR OUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THAT WAS OVER THERE.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO THINK OF ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AS WE LOOK THROUGH THIS.

AND THERE IS A PROOF OF CONCEPT KIND OF UNDERWAY ON THE WATER TAXI.

WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THE HIGGINS BOAT.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.

BECAUSE I SEE YOU HAVE A LANDING FOR THE HIGGINS BOAT AND THE WATER TAXI CAN, TOO.

DO YOU THINK WE SUPPORT BOTH THE HIGGINS BOOK? CAN WE SUPPORT BOTH? THE HIGGINS BOAT IS A BRILLIANT CONCEPT.

I LOVE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THAT.

BUT CAN WE DO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, DO YOU THINK? I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO A HIGGINS BOAT.

WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? WELL, IT'S GOT A WATER TAXI DOWN HERE, BUT MULTIPLE.

BUT THE HIGGINS IS PROBABLY GO UP TO THE, CHF WANTS THE LANDING TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE MUSEUM AS POSSIBLE, OF COURSE.

AND BECAUSE THEY WON'T AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW A HIGGINS BOAT.

BUT HIGGINS VOTE IS A WORLD WAR TWO CRAFT THAT YOU SAW GOING TO NORMANDY, WHERE THE FRONT END FALLS DOWN AND PEOPLE WALK OUT.

SO THEY RIDE ON IT, THEY GET OVER THERE, IT FALLS DOWN.

KIDS ARE GOING TO LOVE IT. I'LL LOVE IT, I HOPE.

FOR THE LADY TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY, MEN JUST GROW OLDER, THEY NEVER GROW UP.

I WOULD SAY 15 MINUTES.

EXCUSE ME. THANKS, JASON.

SO DAVID BRINGS A GREAT POINT, TOO.

AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE TRIAL ROOM RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON MARTY'S, HOW YOU MENTIONED THAT WE ARE CONCEPTUALIZING THIS RIGHT NOW.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE WORKING WITH A THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO ALREADY HAS A WATER TAXI ESTABLISHED IN FLORIDA AND KIND OF GETTING IDEAS BOUNCING OFF OF THEM AS WELL.

AND THIS IS A FORMER COAST GUARD MEMBER AS WELL.

SO WE'RE GETTING ALL THE REGULATION REQUIREMENTS TOO.

BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS LOOK AT IN SOME OF WHAT WE'RE MEASURING, NOT ONLY ATTENDANCE, BUT WHILE WE'RE DOING A PROOF OF CONCEPT FOR A YEAR, HOW LONG OR I SHOULD SAY A YEAR OR LESS, WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW LONG TO DO IT, WHETHER WE SHOULD PURCHASE A BOAT, LEASE A BOAT FOR THE TIME THAT WE WANT TO RENT A PROOF OF CONCEPT OR MANUFACTURE A HIGGINS BOAT.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT IS THE MOST FEASIBLE TO DO IN THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.

AND I'D BE HAPPY ONCE WE HAVE MORE CONCRETE DATA TO PRESENT, I'D BE HAPPY IN TO COME BACK AND TELL YOU WHAT THOSE FINDINGS ARE AS WELL.

AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER THING IS ORIGINALLY, YES, WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE PEOPLE FROM THE STRAND TO SEAWOLF PARK, BUT ALSO WE WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH INTEREST THERE IS MAYBE OF THIS.

AND BY SURVEYING THOSE PEOPLE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE? WOULD YOU LIKE ANOTHER STOP? WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO SEE USE THIS MORE AS A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION OR PART OF THE ATTRACTION FOR SEAWOLF PARK AS WELL? SO A LOT OF OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS THAT ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD BE ASKED AND I WISH I COULD CLAIM I CAME UP WITH THEM, BUT I DID NOT.

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ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT SEAWOLF PARK.

AND THINKING BACK TO WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH, TOO.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSIONS AS WELL ABOUT A POTENTIAL MEMORIAL OUT THERE TO REPRESENT TEXAS VETERANS, PARTICULARLY WHO SERVED IN THE NAVY.

THERE'S ALSO BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HAVING SOME SORT OF POTENTIAL INFORMATION AND MORE CONTENT TO DISCUSS THE HOUSTON SHIP CHANNEL AS WELL, AND ITS NATIONAL AND GLOBAL IMPORTANCE TO THAT.

YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A BETTER VIEW ANYWHERE IN GALVESTON BAY OF THE HOUSTON SHIP CHANNEL THAN YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE AT THE EDGE OF SEAWOLF PARK, TOO.

SO WE DO WANT TO DO ALL OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE HAVE A COUPLE, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE THE TOP.

BACK ONE. WE DO HAVE TWO PRIORITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

ONE IS WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR FIRST TO SEE WHAT THE INTEREST IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS OUT HERE THAT WE HAVE IN MIND THAT THE TASK FORCE COMMITTEE HAS PUT TOGETHER. AND THAT ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY WILL IMPACT THE RV PARK, TOO, IF THERE IS THE PRIVATE SECTOR OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTNER WITH OUT THERE.

WE DEFINITELY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND SEE WHAT THEIR LET THEM DO A MARKET STUDY.

TELL US WHAT THE MARKET FORCES ARE IN.

THE MARKET DEMAND IS FOR AN ATTRACTION AT THIS LOCATION.

SO THAT'S OUR FIRST OPTION AND PRIORITY.

TO DO. SO, THEN WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

IF THERE IS NO PRIVATE SECTOR INTEREST OR NOT SUFFICIENT PRIVATE SECTOR INTEREST BECAUSE OF OUR BELIEF IN THESE CONCEPTS AMONG ALL STAKEHOLDERS, WE ARE WILLING TO SEE HOW WE CAN FUND THIS AS WELL.

INTERNALLY WITH THE PARK BOARD, THE CITY OF GALVESTON, GALVESTON NAVAL MUSEUM AND ANY OTHER THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT COME ON BOARD WITH US AS WELL OUT THERE.

THIS WOULD MOST LIKELY LEAD TO A MORE LIMITED SERVICE RV PARK AS WELL.

BUT I KNOW THERE'S BEEN FRUITFUL CONVERSATIONS AS WELL TO REALLY DO AN IN-DEPTH STUDY AND TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF SYSTEMS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO INCORPORATE OR COULD POSSIBLY TIE INTO TO THE REST OF THE CITY TO ELEVATE THE POTENTIAL RV PARK TO.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, I GOT TO ASK ABOUT WASTEWATER BECAUSE THAT'S COME AND GONE.

YES. CAN WE DO THIS WITHOUT A MAJOR WASTEWATER INVESTMENT? MIKE, I KNOW YOU WERE SO THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.

BRIAN WHEN I WAS THERE IN THE MEETING WITH BRIAN, HE HAD DISCUSSED BRIAN.

BRIAN MAXWELL SORRY.

BRIAN MAXWELL. HE DISCUSSED DOWN THE ROAD TOWARDS WHERE HALLIBURTON AND THE OTHER FACILITIES ARE.

THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE WHICH IS THE WHICH IS PART OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON.

HE WAS SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT AN ANAEROBIC SYSTEM THERE.

BUT AT FIRST, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS TO DO ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THE RV PARK AND GET IT READY TO GO, BUT DO MORE OF A DRY TYPE CAMPING AT FIRST AND THEN HAVE A TANK AS YOU HEAD OUT TO DO YOUR DROP AND THEN LEAVE THE PARK AFTER THAT, AFTER YOU'RE DONE OR RETURN BACK TO YOUR SPOT.

AND AS THE MONEY STARTS COMING IN, THE REVENUE STARTS COMING IN.

THEN THINK ABOUT THE ANAEROBIC SYSTEM.

I WOULD THINK BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY IS QUITE LARGE.

IF YOU DID DO THAT, IT WOULD OPEN UP A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO DEVELOP THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND CREATE MORE REVENUE BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A WASTEWATER PLANT OUT THERE THAT COULD BE EXPANDABLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THIS THE? ARE YOU THROUGH WITH THE SEAWOLF? YEAH, WELL, THERE IS A CALL TO ACTION AS WELL.

GUYS GET TO. YES.

AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS AN ENDORSEMENT FROM CITY COUNCIL FOR THE THE SEAWOLF PARK TASK FORCE COMMITTEE TO CONTINUE THE WORK AND TO CONTINUE ADVANCING THESE PARTICULAR PLANS AS WELL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AT SEAWOLF PARK, TOO, AND ALSO INVITE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO SHARE ADDITIONAL IDEAS FOR CONSIDERATION, TOO, SO THAT WE CAN BE AS TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE, WHAT OUR VISIONS ARE OUT THERE AND ALSO INCLUSIVE AS WE CAN BE WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL.

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IF COUNCIL ENDORSES THIS CONCEPT THAT YOU HAVE FOR SEAWORLD PARK.

MARTY, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION? WHEN WOULD YOU COME BACK TO COUNCIL THEN? SO I THINK THAT IF YOU ENDORSED THIS ACTION, WE WOULD PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR INTEREST FOR A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE RV PARK, AND THAT WOULD TAKE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK, DAVID? 90 DAYS, AT LEAST 90 DAYS.

SO IN 90 DAYS, WE'D COME BACK AND TELL YOU ABOUT THE INTEREST FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE PARK REDEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE NOW I MEAN, WE HAVE ENTERED INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH BRIAN AND JASON ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO RUN THE PROOF OF CONCEPT OF THE WATER TAXI, WHETHER IT'S TO ACTUALLY TO BUILD A HIGGINS BOAT IS THE SAME PRICE AS LEASING ONE FOR A YEAR.

SO I'VE ASKED BRIAN TO ASK THE MANUFACTURER HOW FAST THEY CAN GET ONE BUILT BECAUSE.

BRIAN WHO? WHAT? WHICH ONE? BRIAN ABIGAIL.

BRIAN THANK YOU. BRIAN ABIGAIL TO FIND OUT WHERE.

GOT IT. BRIAN, NOW WE GOT FIND OUT HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD THE HIGGINS BOAT BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO RUN A PROOF OF CONCEPT BEGINNING SPRING BREAK THROUGH THE END OF THE SEASON TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ROI IS AND WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET FROM IT.

THERE'LL BE A LOT OF SOFT COSTS IN THERE, RIGHT? SALES TAX FROM.

I MEAN, IF I'M STAYING AT THE RV PARK, I WANT TO GET INTO TAX INCOME POCKETS, TO BE HONEST WITH IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, MARTY, ON THIS, I LIKE THE IDEA.

I THINK THE PRESENTATION WAS GREAT.

THANK YOU, SCOTT.

I WOULD SAY THIS, KNOWING HOW WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THESE THINGS IN THE PAST, I'M LOOKING I'M THINKING IS, IS THAT WE WOULD FORMALIZE THE APPROVAL OF THIS CONCEPT MORE AT COUNCIL LEVEL.

WE CAN PUT THAT ON AS AN ACTION ITEM COUNCIL TO VOTE ON COMING UP HERE IN OUR SEGMENT, SAY, OUR DECEMBER 8TH MEETING.

MIKE, IF YOU FELT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.

SO THAT WE'RE FORMALIZING THIS SO THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF WHERE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS.

YES. AND I HAVE ONE QUESTION BACK TO MARTY.

SO ON THE CIP LIST, THERE IS A SEAWOLF PARK AT 1.2 MILLION.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO WAIT ON RIGHT NOW? I WANT TO WAIT ON IT BECAUSE THAT'S PRIORITY TWO.

YEP. RIGHT. IF WE DON'T HAVE INTEREST FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, WE'D LIKE TO APPROVE $1.2 MILLION PARK OURSELVES AND WE'D HAVE A PRO FORMA FOR YOU, OKAY? WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, GIVE US 1.2 MILLION.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT A PERFORMER TOGETHER AND TELL YOU WHAT WE THINK THE ROI IS ON IT.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I SEE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MUSEUM COMES FROM AND THE POTENTIAL FOR THE RV PARK.

BUT THE OTHER END OF THE PARK, THE GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN PICTURES OF THE BEFORE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH COUNCIL SEEN THE FACADES OF THE IMMIGRATION STATION, THE PERISCOPE, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTHOUSE TO KIND OF MIRROR THE BOLIVAR LIGHTHOUSE.

I THINK THERE'S A GREAT CONCEPT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO DEVELOP THAT ENTIRE FOOTPRINT.

OR WOULD THAT CITY PARK PART OF IT BE CITY AND PARK BOARD TO DO WELL? WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST? YOU KNOW, AND TO PENCIL THE COST NOW, DOESN'T IT? BUT YOU KNOW I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, EVEN IF YOU DON'T GET AN RV PARK OUT THERE, HAVING A BETTER PLAY SPACE, BETTER GREEN SPACE WITH SHADE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PORTION OF THE PARK IS THAT THE CRUISE SHIPS AND ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING BY THERE SEES THAT IT'S A VERY VISIBLE LIGHTHOUSE. AND THE LIGHTHOUSE, LIKE.

THE STATEMENT SHADE STRUCTURE FOR RESIDENTS TO COME BRING THEIR.

AND LIKE I SAY, MARRYING THE BOLIVAR LIGHTHOUSE GOING BETWEEN THOSE THAT'S I THINK THAT'S A GRAND.

LIKE THE STRAIGHTS OF GIBRALTAR.

THERE YOU GO. SO THAT'S, I GUESS WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THAT IT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO AN RFP OR WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D BE LOOKING TO DO SEPARATE AS WE.

SO IF WE IF WE HIRED OR ENGAGED WITH A MASTER DEVELOPER ALONG THOSE LINES, THEN THAT COULD PROBABLY GIVE US SOME ADVICE.

LOOK, ON THE WHOLE THING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS APPROVED DECEMBER 8TH, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THERE, NOT THE SPECIFICS NECESSARILY, BUT THE CONCEPT THAT YOU WANT US TO APPROVE.

HAVE TO GET SOME INFORMATION ON THAT SO, IF YOU CAN PUT IT IN OUR PACKET, MIKE, FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING FOR DECEMBER 8TH.

YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.

OH, YEAH. JUST TAKE ACTION ON THAT.

IT'S A GENERAL QUESTION.

YES, JOHN.

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A PARTNER IN THIS?

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WOULD YOU SUGGEST GOING DOWN TO NUMBER TWO AND JUST BUILD THE PARK OURSELVES.

I MEAN THAT MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED.

I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU ALL WANT THAT JUST FOR OUTSIDE EXPERTISE OR IT'S MY IMPRESSION I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT IT'S MY IMPRESSION THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE THIS BILL PRIVATELY BEFORE WE SPEND IN CITY MONEY ON THIS PARK.

NOW, IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, YOU CAN TELL US DECEMBER 8TH, YOU GO ABOUT BUILDING THIS PARK.

WOULDN'T IT BE SOMETHING THAT HOT TAX? NO, THAT'S AN [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE PARK.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD FINANCE IT WITH FUNDS FROM THE PARK.

WE COULD ISSUE A BOND OR CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION.

I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM VERY COMPLICATED.

I MEAN, YOU ALL RUN A FISH AND BEER RIGHT NOW ON YOUR OWN.

YOU HAVE PARK OUT THERE ON YOUR OWN.

REALLY, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU DON'T DO OUT THERE IS THE NAVAL PORTION OF IT.

YOU'VE GOT AN RV PARK.

RIGHT. YOU RUN AN RV PARK. YOU RUN AN RV PARK.

SO THESE ARE NOT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING A WATER PARK OUT THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE YOU DON'T GET.

YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I JUST ASK THE QUESTION WHY THE PRIVATE.

WE'LL TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

ABSOLUTELY. ON WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO. AND THAT'S THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WITH ENGAGING THE PRIVATE SECTOR WAS SOMEWHAT OF A DUE DILIGENCE TO SEE WHAT THE MARKET DEMAND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE OVERLOOKING, WHETHER THAT WAS A CHALLENGE, A STRENGTH, WEAKNESS, OPPORTUNITY, WHATEVER IT WAS, THAT THEY COULD COME BACK WITH US AND LET US KNOW IF WE WERE OVERESTIMATING SOMETHING OR UNDERESTIMATING AN ATTRACTION OR AN APPEAL OUT THERE AS WELL.

AND THEN JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT TO BE A HIGHER REVENUE DRIVEN PARK WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR INVOLVEMENT RATHER THAN US DOING IT OURSELVES.

AND IT HAS NOT BEEN UNANIMOUS TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.

IT'S BEEN A ROBUST DISCUSSION AS WELL.

SO I WELCOME THE INPUT.

I MEAN, I'LL IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I THOUGHT THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR ENGAGEMENT WOULD BE A GOOD START AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE ALWAYS HAVE THE FALLBACK PLAN FOR US TO DO IT OURSELVES.

IF WE WENT BACK TO THE MAP AND, YOU KNOW, IN A PERFECT WORLD, HOW MUCH WOULD ALL THAT COST TO MAKE THAT MAP HAPPEN? IS THERE ANY IDEA LET ME LET ME START BY SAYING THAT MAP IS NOT DRAWN TO SCALE.

NO, I GET THAT BUT; WHAT WOULD BE AN ESTIMATE? ASSUMING 36 RV SPOTS, THERE MIGHT BE MORE, MAYBE LESS.

SO WE HAVE THE INITIAL EFFORT IS TO GET THAT MAP OR THAT IDEA COMES FROM THE COMMITTEE DRAWN TO SCALE.

WELL, I GUESS ALL THE ITEMS ON THAT MAP, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST FOR? THE IMMIGRATION PART.

YEAH, HOW MUCH ARE WE? RV PARKS? 1, 200,000. DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF IT IS, I DON'T HAVE ANY GUESS.

I DO. NOT AT THIS TIME.

AND THE NAVAL MUSEUM THERE IS A FUNDRAISER GOING ON AS WE SPEAK TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE NAVAL MUSEUM, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, AND THEY ARE WILLING CONTRIBUTING PARTNERS AS WELL ON ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, TOO.

WE ALSO GO RIGHT HERE.

WELL, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THE PORT OF HOUSTON HERE, BECAUSE SOME OF THAT FOOTPRINT BLEEDS OVER ONTO HOUSTON PROPERTY.

WE HAVE NOT THAT CAN'T BE RESOLVED, BUT.

RIGHT. AND BRIAN SAID DON'T LET THE PORT OF HOUSTON, BRIAN MAXWELL SAID DON'T LET THE PORT OF HOUSTON DETER YOU FROM DOING ANY OF THIS.

THAT THEY CAN WORK THROUGH LEASES OR WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO HAVE THIS WORK.

SO EVEN IF WE GO BACK TO THE MAP, RIGHT, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A BOAT LAUNCH OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.

AND BRIAN MAXWELL SAID THAT THE PORT OF HOUSTON WOULD PROBABLY WORK WITH US WILLINGLY TO HAVE A PARKING LOT OUT THERE FOR WE HAD A MEETING WITH ROGER GUNTHER, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PORT OF HOUSTON.

AND BROACH THIS SUBJECT JUST AS AN OVERVIEW ABOUT WORKING WITH THE PARK BOARD AND WORKING WITH THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS WITH SEAWOLF PARK TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO.

AND HIS RESPONSE WAS, YES, JUST LET US KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.

HE DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

AND I WOULD TAKE THAT AS ALSO SAYING, IF YOU THINK YOU CAN EXPAND THAT RV PARK TO MAKE MORE SENSE IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS BY USING SOME PROPERTY, YOU DON'T LET YOUR PROPERTY TIE YOU TO YOUR PLAN.

IT'S A THIRD, THOUGH ALSO, DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT THERE.

I DON'T THINK IN THIS AREA.

NO, NO, NO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT REALLY DEEP, I MEAN, THERE'S DEEP WATER RIGHT NEXT TO THIS HERE, BUT I MEAN, A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH THAT'S SUPPORTED.

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ACTUALLY, PIECE OF THE STEWART SITS ON PORT OF HOUSTON PROPERTY.

SO PROBABLY SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S KIND OF RIGHT ACROSS HERE.

RIGHT. SO ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO HERE WOULD BE IN COOPERATION WITH THE PORT OF HOUSTON.

BACK ONE YEAR NOW WE'RE GOING TO BEAT THIS TO DEATH.

THERE ARE ANOTHER ONE.

THERE IS SOME LAND.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL PICTURE OF IT, THERE'S SOME LAND THAT'S POOR PROPERTY THAT IS NOW TIED IN.

AND THERE MIGHT BE AN [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT THERE.

[INAUDIBLE].

YES. THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME RECLAMATION THERE SO WE CAN GET SOME RECLAIMED LAND MITIGATED ELSEWHERE ON THE CORE PROPERTY SO THAT WE HAVE MORE AREAS, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WE THINK THAT WE CAN GET A GRANT FOR $500,000 TO BUILD THE BOAT LAUNCH.

NOW, YOU CAN'T CHARGE LIKE YOU CAN IN JAMAIL PARK, BUT WE CAN CHARGE FOR PARKING THE BOAT AND THE TRAILER.

I'M SORRY, ON YOUR NUMBERS.

WHAT DID YOU ALL BASE THOSE ON? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THE WELL I THINK IT'S GO FORWARD DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IS THAT PROJECTED? IF THIS WAS ALL TO COME TO FRUITION? THESE WERE THE SAME PRICES THAT WE CHARGE AT DELLANERA.

CURRENTLY, THIS WOULD BE A DRY CAMP.

IT WOULDN'T BE WET CAMPING, BUT IT'S ON THE WATER AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE HERE ON THE WATER.

AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 80% OCCUPANCY.

YEAR ROUND, WHICH IS LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE SEEING AT DELLENERA RIGHT NOW.

IT WAS VERY CONSERVATIVE AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.

WE I'VE SEEN THE DOCUMENTS AND HAPPY TO DISTRIBUTE IT.

IT'S JUST A COMMON JUST MAYBE SUGGESTION.

WE HAVE A BATTLESHIP TEXAS, RIGHT COMING PROBABLY TO PIER 21 TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT.

HAVE WE THOUGHT MAYBE THE WHOLE RIG MUSEUM POSSIBLY MOVING THAT OUT TO SEAWOLF PARK, IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

JUST SAYING. HAVEN'T CONSIDERED IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I WAS JUST COMMENTING. YEAH.

THERE ARE SO MANY SIDE BENEFITS TO THIS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND ANAEROBIC SEPTIC SYSTEM, YOU CAN USE THE EFFLUENT WATER TO GROW GRASS.

AND I MEAN THE WAY WE WATER OUR GOLF COURSES DOWN, BOTH MOVIE GARDENS AND THE COUNTRY CLUB.

USE THE EFFLUENT WATER WASTEWATER THAT'S TREATED SO WE CAN HAVE BEAUTIFUL LAWNS OUT THERE, GOOD FERTILIZER, LOTS OF TREMENDOUS BENEFIT.

AND YOU ALREADY HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING FROM DELLANERA WHERE THEY'RE FULL.

THEIR RV PARK IS FULL AND THEY'RE SUGGESTING TO GO OTHER PLACES.

WELL, IF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO DELLANERA THERE THAN IF IT'S FULL, HEY, COME TO OUR OTHER PARK.

IT'S GREAT WE CAN GET YOU IN THERE.

SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE A CLIENTELE BASE, I THINK, TO MOVE US ALONG, BUT AS YOU SAID, WE'RE BACK IN BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS SUBJECT, QUESTION FOR YOU AND TO MIKE INTO THE TRUSTEES, KNOWING THE INPUT THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN, IS DECEMBER 8TH TOO SOON TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA? I DON'T THINK SO. NOT AT ALL.

I DON'T THINK SO.

CAN YOU BE READY? I THINK I'D DEFINITELY BE READY AND TO PROVE THE ENTHUSIASM THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS, WE ALREADY HAVE A.

HOPING THAT EVERYTHING WENT WELL TODAY, WE ALREADY HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW MORNING.

SO WE'RE PLANNING TO RECONVENE.

I LIKE YOUR OPTIMISM.

SOUNDS GOOD. I'LL DELIVER.

WE'LL HAVE IT ON OUR DECEMBER 8TH AGENDA AS A FORMAL ITEM FOR US TO APPROVE AS AN ACTION ITEM MOVING FORWARD.

AND IF WE COULD GET THAT MATERIAL OVER TO INCLUDE IN OUR PACKET.

MATERIAL, WE PROBABLY NEED THAT AT LEAST WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY BEFORE THAT MEETING.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'RE MOVING TO STEWART BEACH PARK.

GREAT. WELL, ALL RIGHT, SO I REALLY WANTED TO BUTTER YOU ALL UP.

I KNEW I HAD A CHALLENGE. ARE YOU SERVING COCKTAILS HERE? ALL RIGHT, SO THE QUESTION THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR GENERATIONS, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? IT'S OUT THERE ON THE SCREEN.

OKAY, SO A LITTLE BRIEF BACKGROUND ON STEWART BEACH AND HOW IT'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT NOW FOR FIVE YEARS AS WELL IN VARIOUS CAPACITIES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN A COMMON THREAD AND I WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT BEFORE WE START, AND THAT IS THAT THIS SHOULD BE THE PREEMINENT BEACH IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THIS IS AN ACCRETING BEACH.

IT'S WHERE SEAWALL MEETS BROADWAY, WHICH WAS I-45 WHEN YOU COME DOWN.

THERE IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TO BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THAT ENTIRE PART OF THE ISLAND, WHICH DISSIPATES IN ACTIVITY, ECONOMIC ACTIVITY ONCE YOU CROSS.

WE'LL SAY 14TH STREET.

SO WE NEED SOMETHING THERE THAT IS A MAGNET WILL BE A YEAR ROUND ATTRACTION TO ALSO HELP SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA.

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I DO BELIEVE SINCE IT IS AN ACCRETING BEACH AS WELL, THAT EVEN THOUGH THE BEACH IS GETTING BIGGER AND BIGGER, THE BIGGEST ASSET THAT WE HAVE THAT I THINK WAS PROVEN IN 2020 WHEN THE BEACHES WERE SHUT DOWN IS OUR WATERFRONT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ISLAND.

I RECALL THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE LINING UP THEIR LAWN CHAIRS.

THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SITTING THERE AND LOOKING AT THE BEACH AND LOOKING AT THE GULF.

AND THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO.

THEY COULDN'T GET DOWN TO IT AT ALL.

SO TO ME, THAT KIND OF TELLS ME THAT THIS IS STILL THE BEACH IN GALVESTON IS STILL OUR NUMBER ONE TOURIST DRAW.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER.

THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE BEACH TASK FORCE COMMITTEE.

I KNOW THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY STARTED BY DAVE, MARTY LED IT, THAT DAVID COLLINS LED IT AS WELL.

AND IF WE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WHAT IT HAS LED TO SO FAR IS NOT BAD.

COULD IT BE BETTER? IN MY OPINION, YES, BUT IT IS NOT BAD AT ALL.

SO WE HAVE NOW WE CAN SEE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE HERE.

NOW, GRANTED, WHEN WE DID START THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WE DID NOT KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO INDUCE A DROUGHT, BUT WE DID.

AND BUT THUS FAR, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PARK CARS REPEATEDLY ON THIS ON THE SAND HERE IN THIS PARKING LOT, THE SANDY PARKING LOT. WHEN THERE WERE TIMES IN THE PAST WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BECAUSE IT JUST DID NOT DRAIN.

WE STILL HAVE THE PAVILION HERE AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME MOBILE AMENITIES THAT WE PUT IN HERE THAT LOOK GREAT, TOO.

AND I CAN SEE RIGHT DOWN HERE WE STILL ARE, DESPITE THE BEING CLOSED FOR PORTIONS OF 2022 TO COMPLETE THE DRAINAGE PROGRAM AND RENOVATE THE PARKING AREA.

WE STILL DID HAVE 621,000 AND BEACH USER FEES COLLECTED.

AND AGAIN, WE DID NOT HAVE TO STAY CLOSED AFTER RAINFALL EXCESSIVELY LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

AND HERE'S ANOTHER OVERVIEW OF MOST OF STEWART BEACH AS WELL AND WHAT WE HAVE INSTALLED OUT HERE, TOO, SHADE STRUCTURES. YES, VERY IMPORTANT, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE RESTROOMS, TOO.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BEING PUT OUT HERE INTO THE PAVILION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T CAVE IN ON OUR BEACH PATROL AS WELL, AND THAT WE CAN KEEP IT INSURED TOO.

NEXT ONE. AND SO COLLINS WAS A BIG INSTIGATOR OF THE MOBILE AMENITIES, WHICH WORKED OUT WELL AND THEN GO BACK A SLIDE.

SEE THOSE SURFBOARDS? THOSE ARE SHOWERS AND JUST PLAIN SHOWERS THERE.

AND I THINK JACOBY TOLD THE GUY, YOU GOT TO DRESS THESE UP.

RIGHT. SO THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE, THIS IS REALLY ATTRACTIVE AND PEOPLE LIKE IT.

THE SHOWERS LOOK GOOD.

[INAUDIBLE].

IT WAS ALL DONE IN HOUSE.

AND NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE CARRYALL CART TO CARRY FOOD AROUND.

IT'S KIND OF A YOU KNOW, LIKE THE GOLF CART AT THE GOLF COURSE TO CARRY THE FOOD AROUND AND DRINKS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

DOESN'T WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH. DOING THE BEST WE CAN HAVE GETS A GOOD SEGUE.

OKAY. SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT HOW THE THE.

FOUR ASSETS OF THE CITY THAT THE PARK BOARD MANAGES NEED TO BE COMPLEMENTARY WITH ONE ANOTHER.

SO SOME OF THE WORDS THAT HAVE COME OUT WHEN DESCRIBING STEWART BEACH IN THE PAST OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAVE BEEN UPSCALE CONCIERGE REVENUE GENERATING AS WELL.

AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON.

SO AS WE TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE BEACHES IN GALVESTON WOULD ALSO COME UP WITH POTENTIAL FOR STEER BEACH IS SOMETHING THAT IS VEGAS STYLE AND PLEASE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE CASINOS, VEGAS STYLE OR 38 STYLE IN FLORIDA AS WELL.

IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, TOO.

AND THIS IS OUR POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT REALLY SHINES OUT THERE WITH OUR ACCRETING BEACH THAT IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THROUGH GALVESTON.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO WANTED TO SET APART IS FROM THE REST OF THE 31 MILES OF BEACHES HERE.

SO WHEN I AM TALKING TO MY FRIENDS, MY NON ISLAND FRIENDS, I STILL TALK TO A FEW OF THEM AND THEY ARE ALWAYS SURPRISED BY HOW

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WE GO SOMETIMES, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME AND IT ALLUDES BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

BUT THE CHALLENGES OF SEAWOLF PARK, YOU KNOW WHAT? PACKING, LOADING, UNLOADING, UNPACKING SUCKS.

SO WHAT WE ARE THINKING HERE IS SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU CAN GO AND WHATEVER YOU NEED IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO YOU FOR A COST.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE NECESSARILY EXCLUSIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT IS DESIGNED TO HAVE PUBLIC AMENITIES THAT WE SEE LISTED HERE, BUT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE PUBLIC DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEIR COST, WHICH I'VE HEARD OUR ESTEEMED MAYOR SAY IN THE PAST AS WELL.

SO THIS IS A LIST AND IT'S BEEN PASSED OUT IN FRONT OF YOU AS WELL THAT DAVID HAD PUT TOGETHER TO SUMMARIZE THE WORK THAT WE DID IN OUR LAST ITERATION OF THE STEWART BEACH COMMITTEE.

AND WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO DO IS TO GET TODAY A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION FROM SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, NEW TRUSTEES AS WELL, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW EVERYTHING LISTED IN FRONT OF YOU ON THIS SLIDE AND ON THIS PIECE OF PAPER TO SEE THAT YOU MAY WANT US TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD AS WELL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AT STEWART BEACH.

CAN I TELL YOU WHAT I WANT? TOMMY BAHAMA RESTAURANT ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE NEXT TO YOUR GOLF COURSE.

THE SECOND THING IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, CONCIERGE SERVICE WHERE I CAN PARK IN THAT GARAGE.

AND SO I WANT YOU TO SET ME UP AN UMBRELLA WITH TWO CHAIRS AND A COOLER.

AND THAT'S. AND I JUST PARK AND IT'S DONE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ENVISIONED IS SOMETHING LIKE ON 30A IN FLORIDA.

YES, YOU CAN GO IN, YOU GET TO THE BEACH, YOUR UMBRELLA CAN BE SET UP FOR YOU, YOUR CHAIRS ARE SET UP FOR YOU, HOWEVER MANY YOU NEED.

THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD AND, YES, COCKTAILS BROUGHT TO YOU AS WELL.

THERE IS ALSO WHEN THE SUN STARTS TO SET, THOUGH, THOSE UMBRELLAS ARE TAKEN UP, FIREPITS ARE BROUGHT OUT AND YOU CAN SIT THERE AND HANG OUT EVEN WHEN THE WEATHER COOLS OFF, LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S A 365 DAY A YEAR, WEATHER PERMITTING, TO ENJOY THE BEACH AS WELL AS AN ATTRACTION. SOME OF THE OTHER IDEAS THAT HAVE REALLY APPEALED IS THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

AND THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS TO MOVE THE CARS OFF THE BEACH AT THE SAND IS OUR NUMBER ONE ATTRACTION AND COMMODITY OUT THERE.

FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL AS A REVENUE PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE GOT TO GET THE CARS.

WE'VE GOT TO USE IT BETTER THAN JUST THE SURFACE PARKING LOT.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE BOARDWALKS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO BRING ANYTHING, IF YOU DO WANT TO MOVE ANYTHING AROUND, IT'S DIFFICULT TO MOVE THEM AROUND IN THE SAND.

SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ELEVATED PATHWAYS THAT NOT ONLY ENHANCE ACCESSIBILITY, BUT THEY ALSO CAN DRIVE YOU AROUND AND LEAD YOU AROUND TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEND MONEY AS WELL.

THEN AS WE GOT, WE COULD SCRATCH THAT OUT AND PUT TOMMY BAHAMA RESTAURANT UP HERE IF WE NEED TO BE MORE DETAILED.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT UPSCALE CAMPING OUT THERE AND POTENTIAL AIRSTREAMS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. AND THEN POTENTIAL EVENT SPACES TOO.

AND ALSO I BELIEVE IT WAS ROSEMARY BEACH, THERE'S A NICE STAGE OUT THERE WHERE THERE'S BANDS PLAYING ALL THE TIME IN FLORIDA, AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WOULD THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED TO HAVE OUT THERE AS WELL.

YES. WHY WOULD WE PUT MORE FOR CHILDREN? I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST REQUESTS I GET FROM YOUNG FAMILIES IS THERE'S NOT A LOT TO DO FOR YOUNG CHILDREN.

YOU CAN TAKE THEM TO THE MOVIE GARDEN, YOU CAN TAKE THEM TO THE BEACH, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OTHER STUFF.

AND SUCH AS PLAYGROUNDS, SPLASH PADS? I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

SPLASH PADS WORK WELL. WELL, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING, TOO, AND THAT'S WHAT I HOPE TO GET IS SOME ADDITIONAL IDEAS WHAT WE MIGHT BE OVERLOOKING AS WELL.

IN FACT, THE CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEETINGS AND DIDN'T MAKE THAT MAKE THE CUT ON THE POWERPOINT SLIDE HERE.

YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU WANT YOU WANT SOMETHING CENTRAL THAT YOU CAN JUST PLAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION, JASON.

NOT ONLY THIS, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE OR SOMETHING ON THE RECOMMENDATION? YES. LET'S SEE THAT.

OKAY. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT.

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AND WITH THE RECOGNITION THAT MAYBE BY GOING OUT TO A MASTER DEVELOPER TO HELP US WITH THIS PLAN IN ALL THESE IDEAS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THERE THAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT, BUT IT MAY NOT MAKE THE CUT.

ONCE MARKET FORCES ARE DETERMINED AS WELL.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AS WELL IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO SEEK A MASTER DEVELOPER FOR US TO SUBMIT IDEAS TO IN I BELIEVE I GET MY ACRONYMS MIXED UP AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SO LONG, OR IF I AS WELL, TO GO OUT AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST IN HELPING US DEVELOP THIS REVENUE DRIVER AND THEN ALSO GET THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AS WELL FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AS PUBLIC INVESTMENTS. AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE MAYBE FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE AS WELL, AND THEN ALSO PUT TOGETHER A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL INVESTMENT PLAN AS WELL THAT WE WOULD WANT TO STAY ENGAGED WITH CITY COUNCIL AND CITY STAFF ON TWO AND THEN ALSO INCLUDE THIS IN OUR ANNUAL FINANCE PROJECTS FOR A CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL AS WELL.

HAVE YOU GONE BACK IN AND LOOKED? BECAUSE I CAN THINK OF JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AT LEAST THREE MASTER PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THIS AREA IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

HAVE YOU GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT ANY OF THOSE? I HAVE. IN THE BIGGEST DIFFERENTIATOR BETWEEN THOSE IS IT STILL HAS [INAUDIBLE] PARKING LOT AS WELL.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ELIMINATE, ONES THAT HAD A BOARDWALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEHIND IT.

THERE WERE STILL CARS ON THE.

YES. THE PARKING STRUCTURES, THE ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM HERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE YOUR INVESTMENT HAS TO BE.

THAT'S YOUR MAJOR INVESTMENT, THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT A LOT OF IT SEEMS TO HINGE ON THAT.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I THINK WE CAN DO.

ALL RIGHT, WOULD YOU? WHAT IS WE CAN DO? ME? WELL, THE CITY AND THE PARK.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO BUILD A 42,000 CAR PARKING GARAGE.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE COULD.

WHETHER WE COULD FINANCE IT THROUGH THE PARK.

MAYBE ANOTHER THING.

YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO SEE SOME NUMBERS ON THAT, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S KIND OF STEP ONE, THAT EVERYTHING KIND OF GOES DOWN, FLOWS DOWN THE BEACH FROM THAT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PARKING STRUCTURE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A LOT OF THE REST OF THIS.

AND ALONG WITH THAT AND WE'LL GET INTO THIS IN OUR CIP DISCUSSION HERE IS THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS.

BISTRO. YOU NOTICE I LEFT THAT OUT THERE.

VERY STRATEGIC ON YOUR PART.

BUT THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS HAS A BEARING ON THIS PARKING GARAGE, SO IT'S IN MY MIND.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TO REALLY DISCUSS.

IT IS SOMETHING WE DID DISCUSS WITH THE TASK FORCE IS IF WE HAD THAT PARKING GARAGE AND IT HAD RETAIL, IT HAD A RESTAURANT, IT HAD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT BEACH PATROL ON THE BACK SIDE OF IT, FACING THE BEACH.

AND SO AT LEAST A SMALL VISITOR CENTER WITH SEAWALL ACCESS IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SEA WALL SO THAT IT CAN BE USED ALL YEAR ROUND, THAT KIND OF THING. AGAIN, I THINK THAT STRUCTURE KIND OF IS WHERE EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING GROWS FROM.

BUT YOU PUT THE LIFEGUARD THING INTO THE PARKING LOT AND THE STRUCTURE.

YEAH. YEAH, I THINK YOU COULD.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ASSET TO LIFEGUARDS, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER.

BUT I DID DO A SEARCH YESTERDAY ON WHERE THOSE LIFEGUARD HEADQUARTERS ARE LOCATED.

AND TYPICALLY THEY ARE LOCATED ON A PIER, NOT ON THE BEACH, BECAUSE OF JUST THE WATER ABILITIES THAT COME WITH BEING ON THE BEACH.

YEAH. GIVEN THAT IT'S 1000 FEET FROM THE SEAWALL TO THE WATER, I MEAN, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME RISK.

IT'S A LOT HARDER YEAH, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY.

THAT'S RIGHT. THANKS.

THANKS. SO THE QUESTION THAT HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED IS IF IT'S A STANDALONE BUILDING, WE CAN FINANCE IT WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

IF IT'S PART OF AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE, I'M NOT SURE HOW IT GETS FINANCED.

WHETHER WE CAN OR WE CAN'T USE HOTEL.

WE CAN DISCUSS THIS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE AND WE'RE WAITING ON AN ANSWER TO SEE IF IT'S PART OF AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE.

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JOSH, LET ME ALSO I WANT TO CLARIFY.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR NEXT STEP BECAUSE I'M KIND OF I'M TRYING TO SEPARATE OUT IN MY MIND AND I THINK COUNCIL NEEDS TO POSSIBLY CONSIDER THIS, SEPARATE OUT THE AMENITIES AND HOW WE WANT STEWART BEACH TO EVOLVE AND WHAT WE WANT EVENTUALLY AND WANT TO END UP WITH.

BUT THE OTHER IS WHO MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS.

NOW, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING HERE FROM THE PARK BOARD IS THAT COUNCIL APPROVES THE PARK BOARD MOVING AHEAD WITH A MASTER DEVELOPER TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH SEAWOLF PARK AND PRESENTING TO COUNCIL FOR OUR APPROVAL ON THAT.

AM I INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY? YES, AND I'LL DEFER IF I'M WRONG, TO THE OTHER TRUSTEES.

BUT YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.

OKAY. AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, HOW WHEN DID YOU WANT TO DO THAT? WHAT'S YOUR TIME SET? RIGHT.

DECEMBER. AND WORKING ON THIS.

I'VE BEEN ON IT THREE YEARS.

RIGHT. WHAT COMES BACK DECEMBER.

I'M SORRY. THE AUTHORITY TO ENGAGE A MASTER DEVELOPER TO BUILD A MASTER CONTRACT AND THAT WOULD THEN ONCE THAT.

FINDINGS OF THE RFI REQUEST FOR A MASTER PLAN.

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOU CAME, RIGHT? YES, SIR. YEAH. SO IN DECEMBER I SPEAK FOR OPERATIONS HERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND.

ON THE DECEMBER 8TH AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL.

WE WOULD HAVE ALSO AN ACTION ITEM TO APPROVE OR NOT THE SEEKING THE MASTER PLANT DEVELOPER TO BRING BACK PLANS FOR THE FOUR OF STEWART BEACH PARKS.

YES. ISSUING A REQUEST FOR INTEREST FOR MASTER DEVELOPERS TO DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN FOR AND I WANT TO BE SURE I WANT TO CONTINUE TO EMPHASIZE I WANT TO FORMALIZE THESE DISCUSSIONS DECISIONS WITH COUNCIL SO THAT WE.

SO THAT'S THE WORKSHOP? YES. YOU KNOW, IT'S CITY'S PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO. RIGHT.

SO ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THIS BODY.

CORRECT. BUT I DON'T EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT.

JUST APPROVING THE MASTER DEVELOPER CONCEPT FOR THE PARK BOARD TO COME BACK.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FORMALIZE THAT.

SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS ON THAT.

SURE. IN WITH AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AGAIN THE SOLICITATION TODAY OF ADDITIONAL IDEAS AS WELL.

FOR STEWART BEACH FOR CONSIDERATION AS WELL IN THAT RFI, BECAUSE ONE OF THE CRITICISMS THAT WE FACED WITH THE RFQ THAT WE PROPOSED EARLIER, I GUESS IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, WAS THAT IT WAS TOO VAGUE.

SO WHEN WE PUT IT OUT FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO SEE THEIR ENGAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING, IT WAS A BLANK SLATE THAT WENT OUT.

THERE IS BASICALLY, HERE'S A BEACH, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO THERE? SO NOW WITH SOME MORE DETAILED SUGGESTIONS, WE CAN GO OUT THERE WITH THE IDEA TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THIS CAN YOU FEASIBLE OR IT WOULD BE FEASIBLE TO INCORPORATE INTO A DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME HERE, COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN GIVE THEIR INPUT TO THE PARK BOARD, TO TRUSTEES, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO OUR LIAISON, MIKE BOUVIER, SO THAT WE CAN PASS THOSE IDEAS OVER AND MAKE SURE THOSE ARE INCORPORATED IN YOUR DISCUSSION.

SO SHARON, HAVE A QUESTION.

SHARON, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, SHE SAID NO.

NO. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? IS THERE ANOTHER SLOT? I THINK THAT'S IT. I KIND OF WIN ON MY OWN.

THERE WE GO. THAT WOULD HAVE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.

SO. AND WE CAN ALSO DISTRIBUTE THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL.

VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S VERY GOOD. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MARTY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT? TRUSTEES WANTED TO SAY.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. JASON JOB.

JASON, I LIKE YOUR VOLUME THERE.

EVERYBODY HERE IS WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE HOLDEN GETS IT FROM LOUD AS YOUR KIDS GO TALKING SO LOUD.

I HAVE A FRIEND THAT WE CALL RADIO, AND HE SAID, WHY DON'T YOU CALL US RADIO? BECAUSE WE WISH WE HAD A KNOB AND WE.

ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN TURN ME OFF.

THE REST OF ME. WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM FROM THE COUNCIL STANDPOINT.

MARTY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM FOR YOU, SIR?

[3.B. Discussion Of The Capital Improvement Project Approval Process And CIP Projects For 2023]

SO IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT APPROVAL PROCESS, WE WERE TOSSING IT AROUND AND THINKING THAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN

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SO I THINK WITH THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD, WE CAN HAVE THAT PROCESS PUT INTO THE INTERIM AGREEMENT.

WELL, I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER WITH THAT.

I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT ALL FELL APART, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IF WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN THAT ORDINANCE.

IT COULD FALL APART AGAIN.

I MEAN, THE THINGS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE BY CHARTER WEREN'T.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CIP HERE.

RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT APPROVAL OF THE CIP AND THE BUDGET.

THAT'S NOT A CHARTER. BUT I MEAN, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE SO THAT IT DIDN'T FALL OFF PATH AGAIN.

SO DO YOU THINK COVID HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT AS WE WEREN'T MEETING AND BEING ABLE.

IT'S 2015 WHEN IT FELL OFF PATH.

I'M NOT SURE WE'RE TALKING APPLES AND ORANGES HERE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CIP PROCESS.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME GLITCHES IN THAT CLEARLY FROM THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO.

BUT THAT'S NOT I DON'T THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WHERE YOU'RE HEADED.

I THINK PROCEDURALLY WE HAVE SOME ISSUES ABOUT WHAT COMES TO COUNCIL WHEN WHAT WHAT WE SEE.

I MEAN, THIS WHAT JASON HAS DONE TODAY HERE IS A GREAT NEW TAKE ON THIS.

I'M OF THE OPINION THAT IF WE HAD BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ALONG, WE'D BE A LOT FURTHER DOWN THIS DOWN THIS PATH.

BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THE CIP PROCESS HAS GOTTEN OFF, OFF THE TRACK, AS OPPOSED TO COMING OVER HERE SAYING, LOOK, HERE'S A VISION, LET'S TALK ABOUT DOING THIS. OKAY, WHAT WOULD THAT TAKE? WHO WOULD CONTROL THAT, THAT KIND OF THING? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE'VE BEEN SEEING A CFP THAT'S GOT NUMBERS AND HALF A PARAGRAPH AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT AND IT'S NOT BEEN ENVISIONED AND ALL THAT STUFF.

SO THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED AND IT IS GOING TO BE CORRECTED IN THE INTERLOCAL AS THE INTERLOCAL IS GOING TO STATE, NOT AT AN ORDINANCE THAT THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED.

WHAT AM I SAYING WRONG? I DON'T KNOW. WHY. WHY? YOU JUST DECIDED I MIGHT GO AHEAD AND FINISH WITH YOUR THOUGHT.

SO SO IN THE INTERLOCAL IS WHERE BRIAN MAXWELL AND I BELIEVE MARTY WAS WAS SAYING THAT THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE IN THE IN THERE STATING THAT THE PARK BOARD WILL PRESENT THEIR BUDGET AND THEIR CIP LIST AT THAT TIME AND IT'LL BE IN JULY, LET'S SAY.

AND THAT WAY THE CITY CAN REVIEW THE BUDGET AND THE CIP LIST AND GIVE US OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE APPROVE THE BUDGET AND THE CIP LIST FOR THAT YEAR.

AND. PERSONALLY.

THERE'S NO PLAN RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE DISCUSSING.

RIGHT? IT IS DEVELOPING A PLAN.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO I WANT TO I WANT TO SEPARATE OUT FOR COUNSEL'S THOUGHTS.

THE CIP IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

ONE IS COUNCIL MEMBER THE SIP FOR 2324.

GOING FORWARD, WHAT WHAT PATTERN? WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURE DO WE WANT TO FOLLOW FOR THAT? THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE CIP PROCESS CURRENTLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR FISCAL YEAR THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE.

SO LET'S GET OUT OF THIS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.

LET'S GET OUT OF THE WAY OR PUSH ASIDE SO THAT WE CAN PUSH IT ASIDE GOING FORWARD FOR 23-24.

OUTLINE WHY YOU SEE THIS, MIKE FOR 23-24.

THE FUTURE 23-24.

IN THE FUTURE I PROVIDED A PROCEDURE LIST LAST MEETING AS I WAS AWAY, BUT THERE WAS A LIST THAT WAS PRESENTED TO EVERYBODY.

IT WAS A HANDOUT AND IT HAD A LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE BASED UPON SAFETY AND BEING DONE AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN.

IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT HAD TO BE DONE.

AND THEN THE SECOND LIST WAS THEIR WANTS, RIGHT? THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE DONE.

AND SO WE WOULDN'T BE PRESENTED WITH THESE LISTS.

AND THIS IS THE ONE YEAR CIP THEY COME ALL AT ONE TIME.

IT'S A WHOLE LIST THAT'S WITHIN THEIR BUDGET.

AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS LARGE PROJECTS, WHICH LARGE PROJECT IS EXACTLY WHAT JASON DID TODAY.

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IF THE CITY COUNCIL FEELS THAT IT'S VIABLE, THEN THEY PROCEED AHEAD WITH THE RESEARCH AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THE PROJECT DONE.

THEN IT GOES BACK TO COUNCIL SHOWING THE COSTS AND THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT AND THEN IF THEY GET APPROVAL FROM THAT.

THE THIRD IS THE GO AHEAD TO BUILD THE PROJECT, GO OUT TO BID AND GET THE NUMBERS AND GO AHEAD AND START BUILDING THE PROJECT.

AND FOR 2324, THAT WOULD COME TO STAFF INTO THE CITY AROUND JULY, JULY AND IT WOULD COME IN IN JULY. STAFF WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT, GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS OR THINGS TO COUNCIL, AND THAT WOULD COME IN AND WE WOULD EVALUATE THOSE CIP PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME WE EVALUATE OUR BUDGET.

YES. ALL RIGHT.

NOW. YES. JOHN, AM I YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THOSE PROCEDURES BE OUTLINED WITHIN THE INTERLOCAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT YOU.

SO AS I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH DON BYKOVSKY, THAT'S HOW YOU SEE THAT THOSE PROCEDURES ARE IN THE ENVELOPE.

THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY DON THAT THESE THINGS WERE GOING TO BE COVERED UNDER THE CONTRACT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

THOSE ALL THOSE THINGS THAT I HAD MENTIONED, THE BUDGET, THE CIP, THE PROCESS.

SO CURRENTLY IN THE 2019, IN THE LOCAL AGREEMENT, THE CFP PROCESS IS DEFINED, BUT IT'S WOEFULLY INADEQUATE TO SAY THE BEST.

AND BACK TO MARIE'S COMMENT.

THE 2014 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS MUCH BETTER AT DEFINING THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE CIP PROCESS.

SO I THINK THINGS FELL OFF THE RAIL IN 2019, NOT 2014 WHEN WE DID THE 2019, AND I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS FELL OUT. I THINK WE NEED AN ORDINANCE THAT DEFINES HOW IT'S DONE AND HOW YOU'RE KNOW WHAT ALSO BE IN THE INTERLOCAL.

BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE COVERED BY ORDINANCE.

WELL, THE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS? WHAT SHOULD BE DONE? I'M NOT MARRIED TO ORDINANCE OR I'M NOT MARRIED TO A LOCAL.

I DO SAY THIS, THAT IF IT'S IN AN ORDINANCE FORM, WE NEED TO PUT INFORMATION IN THE INTERLOCAL THAT REFERS BACK TO THE ORDINANCE. NOW, I'M I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED WHERE PEOPLE KNOW THAT IS PERSONALLY, I LIKE IT IN THE INNER LOCAL.

THAT'S JUST ME, BECAUSE THAT'S THE DOCUMENT THAT WE MANY TIMES GO BACK TO EACH YEAR.

BUT YES, LET'S AGAIN, LET'S NOT MIX APPLES AND ORANGES.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, CORRECT.

WELL, MIKE, YOU KEEP SAYING BUDGET.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF CIP.

CORRECT. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THE ONE YEAR IN THE FIVE YEAR, CORRECT? YES. AND IT'S MENTIONED IN HERE IT DOES REFER TO THE CODE OF THE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE UNDER MANAGEMENT BY THE PARK BOARD AND THE FINANCIAL LIMITS AND ALL THAT STUFF IS THE THREE PART PROCESS THAT MIKE IS REFERRING TO.

I THINK THAT DON AND BRIAN [INAUDIBLE]? SO. GETS READ INTO THE CODE.

RIGHT. BUT HOW ARE WE HOW ARE WE DOING IT WITH ONE YEAR NOW? BECAUSE I KNOW WE GOT PRESENTED WITH SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS, ONE OF WHICH JASON APPEARS TO HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OFF THE BOARD THAT [INAUDIBLE].

RELATED TO THAT EITHER THAT WAS THAT WERE PRESENTED AS MUST HAVES RIGHT NOW, AND SOME OF THEM ARE SEEM TRIVIAL.

SOME OF THEM SEEM THE MOORING PROJECT.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT APPLIES TO CITY COUNCIL, FRANKLY, AND SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER, LONGER TERM, LIKE THE BEACH PATROL HEADQUARTERS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT.

BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THAT.

PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT'S BEEN ON THE CITY MANAGER'S DESK.

YOU SAID THIS THE OTHER DAY FOR SIX MONTHS.

PUT A LITTLE PARAGRAPH Y, LITTLE PARAGRAPHS, DOLLAR AMOUNT IN THE LITTLE PARAGRAPH.

IT'S NOT BEEN DISCUSSED.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN PICTURES OF ANY OF THIS.

NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO US CONCEPTUALLY.

AND IF YOU COME OVER AND SAY, LOOK, WE'VE GOT TO NEED TO REPAIR THE RIPRAP AND SEE WHAT PARK, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE.

THAT'S MORE NARROW ACTUALLY THAN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

BUT WE WANT TO BUILD AN $11 MILLION BUILDING ON THE BEACH AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN A PICTURE OF IT.

YOU GUYS DIDN'T SEE A PICTURE OF IT UNTIL TUESDAY, SO THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THAT OVERNIGHT FASHION.

THAT'S WHERE THIS THREE THREE PART PROCESS NEEDS TO COME INTO PLAY.

AND I THINK IT'S TRUE OF THINGS.

ON THE ONE YEAR CIP TODAY AS IT IS THINGS FOR 2324.

SO THE PROCESS WE FOLLOWED FOR THE CFP IS THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE HAVE FOLLOWED FOR THE BUDGET AND THE BUDGET IN THE INTERLOCAL SAYS IT COMES TO

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AND THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN FOLLOWING FOR THE CITY GETS SENT TO CITY STAFF IN JULY AND WE WAIT 45 DAYS FOR COMMENTS AND THEN WE THINK IT'S AN INTERACTIVE PROCESS, RIGHT? THE CIP AND THE BUDGET BOTH ARE INTERACTIVE PROCESSES BETWEEN STAFFS, BETWEEN ROSS AND MIKE, BRIAN, DAN, KELLY, ME, WHOEVER.

SO I WOULD PROPOSE THE INTERLOCAL IF WE CHOOSE TO DO IT THIS WAY, WE FOLLOW THAT SAME PROCESS.

IT COMES TO JULY 1ST, IT COMES TO CITY STAFF, 45 DAYS TO SOCIALIZE IT WITH COUNCIL, RESPOND BACK TO THE PARK BOARD WITH SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT WE DO WITH THE BUDGET AND THE CIP, AND WE WORK AT IT AS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS FROM THAT POINT.

IF I MAY, THE TROUBLE LET'S DON'T BEAT THE DEAD HORSE, YOU KNOW, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO THE TROUBLE PALATABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

TROUBLE IS WAITING FOR 45 DAYS WITHOUT DETAIL DOESN'T CONSTITUTE PROOF.

I MEAN, WE NEED TO SEE THESE THINGS.

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

WE NEED TO LIKE THIS.

JUST PICTURES OF THE JASON PUT UP OF SEAWOLF PARK.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SEEN ALL ALONG.

SAY, OH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

LET'S PURSUE THAT. THERE ARE GOING TO BE INDIVIDUAL ELEMENTS OF THAT.

THE PARK, THE MUSEUM, THE RV.

THAT'S THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE FINANCE THAT, WHAT IT COSTS, WHAT THE ROI IS, THAT KIND OF THING.

BUT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS MORE THAN JUST FIRST JULY.

HERE'S A LIST OF NINE THINGS WE WANT TO DO.

IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM IN 45 DAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

BUT THAT'S WHY, TO ME, IN YOUR PROTECTION AND IN FUTURE COUNCILS PROTECTIONS TO ITEMIZE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN WHAT YOU PUT ON THE DESK IN JULY, BECAUSE HERE'S THE CITY.

I KNOW. BUT THE POINT IS, THERE IS NO DEFINED FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT CITY HALL.

SO IN MY OPINION, WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE CAN DECIDE IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE OR AN INTERLOCAL ONCE WE SEE THE DETAILS.

WELL, SOME OF THAT MIGHT NEED TO GO ON ONE.

AND SOME OF MINE. I'M SAYING, LIKE.

I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WANT TO SEE THAT LIST OF.

AN ORDINANCE WOULD BE A DIRECTIONAL MAP THAT EVERY YEAR HAD TO BE DONE SO THAT YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS, SO THAT WE HAVE NO QUESTION BECAUSE SOMETHING SITTING ON A DESK FOR 45 DAYS AND WE DON'T SEE IT, IT'S NOT HELPING US TO PROCEED.

BUT IF IT'S DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE, YES, THEY THEY GIVE IT TO THE CITY MANAGEMENT, CITY MANAGEMENT CHAIRS.

AND WHEN COUNCIL COUNCIL PROVIDES FEEDBACK WITH MANAGEMENT AND 45 DAYS, THEN EVERYBODY HAS A ROAD MAP AND THERE'S NO QUESTION IT'S NOT BUT IN AND I THINK WE ALL EVEN ASKED FOR THIS BECAUSE YOU SAID, AND I'M QUOTING KELLY, YOU OR PEOPLE SOMETHING FROM 303 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 305 AND WHATNOT.

IF WE DEFINE THINGS IN A ROAD MAP ORDINANCE THAT NOBODY HAS A QUESTION.

THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE] TAX CODE WITH.

WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT IT, THE SAME THING ON THAT.

BUT WHATEVER. DAVID SO TO ADDRESS SOMETHING DAVID SAID A MINUTE AGO ABOUT, TO USE THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE ABOUT THE RIPRAP BEING MORE OF AN ISSUE WHERE A SEAWOLF PARK IS MORE OF A VISIONARY CONCEPT, IS IT HELPFUL TO SEPARATE OUT WHAT WE THINK IS AND PUT SOME DEFINITION AROUND THAT AND THOSE CAN BE DONE IN A MORE ADMINISTRATIVE MANNER, AND THINGS THAT ARE MORE VISIONARY CAN GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS, BIFURCATING PROCESS OR BOTH THOSE ITEMS. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE IS PARK BOARD STAFF FIGURING OUT IF EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE ON THE CIP NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION JASON JUST GAVE.

THAT'S UNTENABLE FOR EVERYONE.

IT'S TOO MUCH TIME.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEFINITION NEEDS TO BE, BUT IS THERE A IS IT USEFUL TO CREATE A DEFINITION SO WE CAN SEPARATE OUT THE MEAN AND THE LESS WELL IT DOES, IF IT DOES, IF IT REACHES A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT.

PUBLIC IMPACT OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

YES, WE HAD MIKE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.

YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, JUST CLARIFICATION.

WHEN YOU PUT IN THE BUDGET, IS THE CIP LIST IN THE BUDGET? YES. OKAY. SO SO THE CIP AND THE BUDGET PRETTY MUCH ARE ONE ONE PIECE OF THE CIP IS IN THE BUDGET.

BUDGET IS A BUDGET AND A CIP IS PART OF THE BUDGET.

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BUT WHERE IS IT LOCATED? IT'S LOCATED IN THE BUDGET.

OKAY. THIS PRESENTS A SEPARATE SO BRANDON OR BRYSON HAS BEEN TRYING TO PRESENT THE CIP LIST.

HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET ON THE AGENDA.

I HAVE SEVEN ITEMS HERE THAT NEED TO BE GOING OVER TODAY.

IF WE HAVE TIME.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO GO OVER THE CIP OF WHAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE.

A LOT OF THEM ARE JUST HOUSEKEEPING TYPE THINGS THAT JUST NEED TO BE.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

AND I THINK IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

RIGHT. AND SO I'VE PRESENTED THAT THAT PROCEDURE LAST MEETING.

YEAH. BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE FUTURE BUDGETS.

NOT THIS YEAR, I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT.

YOU TURN THOSE IN IN JULY COMES TO STAFF, THOSE ARE EVALUATED AND THAT WE APPROVE THOSE THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS APPROVAL THAT WE GO THROUGH YOUR ACCOUNTS.

SO I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE ON THAT YESTERDAY.

BUT THAT'S A MULTI STEP PROCESS AND THERE HAS TO BE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THAT WHERE PARK BOARD STAFF AND CITY STAFF GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF THIS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ON THE LIST, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL ON THE LIST.

500,000 FOR RESTROOMS, WEST 61ST STREET TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE PARKING RESERVE.

THAT'S PROBLEMATIC TO JUST SEE THAT ONE DAY AND SAY, HERE, GIVE US HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THIS.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD IDEA, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE'S A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED.

WHAT ELSE IS THAT FUND DEDICATED TO THAT KIND OF THING THAT NEEDS THAT'S NOT AND ONE DAY AND WE JUST GIVE IT A CHECKMARK THAT THESE THINGS HAVE TO GO THROUGH STAFF TO BEGIN WITH, AND IT HAS TO BE A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF.

THAT HASN'T HAPPENED.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

I AGREE WITH YOU. AND I WOULD PUT THAT UNDER THE LARGER PROJECTS, SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO SEE.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ARE THEY PLASTIC? ARE THEY STAINLESS STEEL? WHO'S, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT THERE ARE THE MAJORITY OF THIS LIST ARE JUST LITTLE THINGS, LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.

THEY'RE NOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM.

I WOULD SAY 75% OF THE LIST ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY SIT DOWN WITH WITH BRYSON AND GO OVER AND PROBABLY GET THEM ALL APPROVED BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST VERY HOUSEKEEPING THINGS. THERE'S OTHER 25% THAT NEED TO BE PRESENTED, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BIGGER PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST READ THE LIST? WELL, WELL, FIRST THING GOING OVER THE CIP, THE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE NOW IS WE NEED WE HAVE THE PARK BOARD REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR CERTAIN CIP PROJECTS AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A LIST OF SEVEN PROJECTS TO COUNCIL AND.

AND THEN THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE LONG TERM PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND DISCUSS THOSE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THOSE SEVEN BEFORE US NOW AS COUNCIL SEEN THOSE SEVEN.

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE THE LIST HERE.

IF WE DIDN'T GET PRESENTED ONE.

NO. SO.

AND THIS BECOMES A QUESTION THAT WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION AT CITY AT CITY HALL ABOUT HERE LAST FRIDAY.

IF COUNCIL NEEDS TO LOOK THROUGH THESE TODAY AND WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER 8TH, HOW DO WE GET THIS ONTO THE AGENDA TO APPROVE SOME OF THESE AND SOME OF THEM WE DON'T.

STEP ONE. THESE DISCUSSIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH STAFF.

WE'RE NOT I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIT HERE AND LOOK AT 90% OF THE CIP ITEMS THAT COME ACROSS AND SAY, YEAH, THAT LOOKS LIKE AN IDEA WITHOUT WITHOUT HEARING WHAT MR. MAXWELL HAS TO SAY ABOUT.

EXACTLY. I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE THAT ITERATIVE PROCESS BETWEEN STAFFS WHEN, YOU KNOW, BRYSON OR MARTY OR KELLY OR WHOEVER BRINGS IT OVER.

NOT ME. NOT YOU.

THAT HAS TO HAPPEN SO THAT BOTH BOARDS UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING BEFORE IT IS EVEN PUT UP THERE FOR APPROVAL.

AND THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT PROCESS WE'RE IN TODAY.

I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THESE SEVEN THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR APPROVAL TODAY.

AND COUNCIL HAS NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THESE THINGS ARE ABOUT.

AND THE FACT THIS LIST WAS PRODUCED MONTHS AGO ISN'T HELPFUL IF NOBODY SEE THE DETAIL ON IT.

ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO GO BACK AND THIS IS TO DON, BECAUSE WE WENT OVER AND OVER THIS.

TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE THESE COMMITTEES LIST OF SEVEN PROJECTS, THOSE NEED TO BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN STAFF MEMBERS SO THAT OUR STAFF CAN BECOME COMFORTABLE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL ON THESE.

AND THEN AT OUR DECEMBER 8TH MEETING, WE CAN PUT THOSE ON FOR APPROVAL OR NOT.

BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT? DON, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.

DO CAN WE DO WE HAVE TO ENUMERATE ALL SEVEN OF THOSE AND THEN WE COME BACK AND APPROVE SOME AND MAYBE DON'T PROVE SOME OF THEM.

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WELL, YOU HAVE DISCUSSION OF CIP PROJECTS ON THE AGENDA.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S BROAD ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT THEM, BUT NOT TAKE ANY ACTION WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT VOTING ON DECEMBER 8TH.

YOU'D HAVE TO VOTE ON THEM.

RIGHT. DO WE NEED TO LIST THEM INDIVIDUALLY, ALL SEVEN OR CAN ON THE AGENDA? AS A RESOLUTION.

YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING IT OFF.

THAT'S HOW WE DO OUR CIP IN THE CITY.

EXCUSE ME. THAT'S NOT HOW WE DO OUR CIP.

NO, WE DON'T VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL STREETS.

NO, WE DON'T. AND THAT'S WHY MY QUESTION TO DON WAS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW PROCEDURALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF THIS SEVEN IS GOING TO BE EVALUATED BY COUNCIL FOR OUR DECEMBER 8TH MEETING, WE MAY WANT TO ACT ON SOME OF THESE AND SOME OF THEM WE MAY WANT TO DEFER WHATEVER.

HOW DO WE PUT THESE ON THE AGENDA? I PREPARED A RESOLUTION THAT DOES JUST THAT.

WE JUST DID NOT PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS MEETING.

HEY, LISTS ALL THE PROJECTS AND GIVES A YES NO NEXT TO EACH ONE SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT DONE.

OKAY. DON, YOU'VE ALREADY YOU'VE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I KNOW YOU CAME OUT HERE, DON.

I HAD TO MOVE UP TO FIRST.

HEY. HEY.

THANK YOU. OH, PROBLEM.

DO YOU REMEMBER I WROTE A RESOLUTION IN JUNE.

I WAS HOLDING IT. CORRECT.

TO APPROVE ALL SEVEN OF THESE ITEMS? CORRECT. IT'S ALREADY WRITTEN.

IT HAS THE LIST OF SEVEN AND HAS A YES NO IT NEXT TO EACH ONE.

YOU CAN PUT IT ON, YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

WHY NOT DECEMBER? FOR DECEMBER, RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT. THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.

SO, MIKE, I WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU AND MARTY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS COUNCIL TO REVIEW THESE SEVEN ITEMS WILL HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER 8TH FOR MAKING IT TO HAVE ACTION ON SOME OR ALL OF THESE AGAIN.

BUT, I MEAN, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE PARK BOARD TO TELL US WHAT THE SEVEN THINGS ARE? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS OR SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

OUR STAFF NEEDS TO GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON THIS.

WE NEED WE NEED TO BE SURE STAFF UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE ITEMS ARE.

FROM A WORKSHOP, SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN.

YOU'LL BE GETTING THESE PROBABLY WITHIN 3 HOURS.

NOT JUST THE LIST, BUT YOU HAVE STAFF QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON.

THIS IS GOING TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME THAN THAT.

I DON'T THINK STAFF IS PREPARED TODAY TO DISCUSS THE DETAIL ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT DETAIL HAS BEEN.

BUT THEY WILL BE ON ON DECEMBER 8TH MEETING AND STAFF WILL HAVE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS WITH PARK BOARD AND YOU'LL HAVE THIS LIST VERY QUICKLY.

MARTY, SO MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU LAST WEEK WAS THAT YOU LIST THESE SEVEN ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY AS CONSENT ITEMS. YOU WORKSHOP THEM AND PEOPLE WANT TO PULL THEM OFF FOR US AND WE'LL BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THEM.

AND YOU CAN VOTE ON THEM AS CONSENT ITEMS OR YOU CAN PULL THEM OUT OF CONSENT AND THEY GET WORKSHOP.

DAVID, YOU DON'T LIKE.

YOU'VE SKIPPED A STEP AND THAT IS STAFF REVIEWING AND UNDERSTANDING THESE THESE ITEMS YOU'RE PROCESSING.

AND BRIAN CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ALL THEY WANT DO ABOUT THEM.

YOU CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS AT WORKSHOP.

NO, BRIAN NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS BEFORE HE GETS HERE.

IT'S NOT. SHOW ME SOMETHING ON THURSDAY MORNING.

MY PURVIEW, DAVID. I DON'T MEAN IT.

BRIAN. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE QUESTION HERE.

WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT APPROVAL PROCESS.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT PROCESS IN PLACE.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHY WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS? AND WHY ISN'T THAT HERE TODAY? WHY AREN'T WE GOING OVER DOCUMENT GOING? THIS IS THE PROCESS RIGHT HERE.

DO YOU AGREE WITH IT OR DO YOU NOT AGREE WITH IT? LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A PROCESS HERE.

I JUST I PRESENTED THAT PROCESS LAST MEETING.

IT WAS A HANDOUT THAT I GAVE UP LAST WEEK.

YOU DID? AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS THAT WAS THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT INTO LAW AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS IT.

I MEAN, WE DIDN'T GET ANY RECOGNITION FROM STAFF ON THAT PROCESS, REALLY.

I MEAN, YOU PRESENTED IT TO US AND WE HAVE THAT.

BUT I WAS I WAS EXPECTING TO HAVE A DOCUMENT GOING.

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WE'RE ALL HAPPY WITH THIS.

WE'VE TALKED TO THE PARKS BOARD.

WE TALKED TO CITY STAFF.

KUMBAYA. LET'S SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS HERE FOR THE COUNCIL OR THE PARK BOARD.

AND LET'S LET'S TAKE SOME ACTION ON IT.

BUT WE'RE SITTING HERE AND WE THIS IS KIND OF A WASTE OF MEETING, IN MY OPINION.

AND ON THAT TOPIC.

AND WHAT IT WAS TOLD TO ME WAS THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT FROM THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD TO TO REFINE THIS AND PUT IT IN THE INTERLOCAL OR THE CONTRACT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT.

WELL, DON, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PUTTING AN EXTRA STEP IN THIS.

WHAT YOU MENTIONED WILL HAPPEN DECEMBER 8TH.

AND SO WE'LL SEE THAT PROCESS.

YES. WE'VE GOT THE PARK BOARD HERE THAT MIGHT WANT TO PUT INPUT ON THAT, TOO.

WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR US.

DISCUSS. WELL, THE PROCESS WE'RE DISCUSSING ON THE SEVEN ITEMS THAT I WAS HOPING WE WOULD HAVE ON THIS AGENDA.

BUT THE SEVEN ITEMS. THOSE WILL BE EVALUATED IN DISCUSSION WITH CITY STAFF AND PARK BOARD STAFF.

BEFORE THE DECEMBER 8TH MEETING.

THEY'LL GET ALL THE DETAILS, QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

STAFF WILL GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE AND THEN THEY WILL BE ON OUR AGENDA, INDIVIDUALLY LISTED SO THAT WE CAN EITHER APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE THOSE.

BUT I AGREE WITH JOHN THAT THIS IS A WASTE WASTED TIME ON THIS ITEM, THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THIS NOW.

I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE MORE INFORMATION AT THIS MEETING TO LOOK OVER AND THEN ABOUT THE PROCESS.

ABOUT THE PROCESS. AND LET'S BE SURE ON DECEMBER 8TH WE HAVE THAT PROCESS.

I'LL TAKE THAT BLAME AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

AND I'M NOT I'M NOT I'M NOT CASTING BLAME ON ANYBODY.

BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

WE WERE HERE TO GO OVER THOSE LIST.

AND I JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT LATER.

I WAS JUST JUST KIND OF CLARIFYING THAT GOING THROUGH THIS THE FIRST TIME.

SO. WE WE SUBMITTED THESE BACK IN JULY AND IT'S NOW NOVEMBER.

SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THE PROCESS FAILED THAT WE HAD IN PLACE BEFORE.

BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE CHANGING THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT OR.

THAT'S NOT UNFAIR.

THE PROBLEM WHERE THE FAILURE WAS WHAT? AND WE WENT THROUGH THIS LAST YEAR AS WELL IS WHAT CONSTITUTES REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN IP ITEM.

AND JUST HAVING THAT LIST, ISN'T IT? IT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED.

AND HOWEVER IT'S DEFINED, IT NEEDS TO BE DEFINED.

THAT PROCESS MUST BE DEFINED.

STAFFS NEED TO BE CLEAR ON THIS TOGETHER AND PRESENT IT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE BOARDS SO THAT WE THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND WORKSHOP IT AS NECESSARY AND APPROVE.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TO KIMBERLY, I THINK FROM A CITY STANDPOINT.

AFTER THIS YEAR, WE WILL HAVE A PROCESS THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED VERY WELL, AND I THINK IT WILL WORK WELL.

IT'S JUST THIS YEAR WE HAD NO PROCESS, AND I'VE MENTIONED MANY TIMES EVERY YEAR THAT WE DO THIS CIP.

IT'S A DRAMA. IT'S DRAMA THAT HAPPENS AROUND THE CIP OF WHAT WE SHOULD DO AND HOW WE SHOULD DO IT.

AND WE NEED TO GET THAT NAILED DOWN.

AND THAT'LL HAPPEN STARTING IN THE 2324 BUDGET YEAR.

WHERE WE'RE CAUGHT IS THIS YEAR.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS THAT'S AN INTERIM PROCESS TO GET US THROUGH THIS COMING YEAR.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SEVEN THAT WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE YEAR.

WELL. ANYWAY.

AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I WAS TOLD IT CAME TO STAFF IN JULY.

I DON'T KNOW. I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

MARTY, ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS SUBJECT? NO, I'LL JUST TELL YOU, THE PARK BOARD FISCAL YEAR STARTED OCTOBER 1ST, AND WE'RE WAITING ON APPROVAL FOR SOME OF THESE CIP PROJECTS FOR THE CITY'S PARKS AND LAND.

THE OTHER COMMENT I'LL MAKE IS THAT ALL OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ITEMS, OVER $120,000 COME TO CONFER COUNCIL APPROVAL.

ANYWAY, SO.

ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE YOU ALL WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN REVIEWING EVERY 5000 OR 12,000 ITEM THAT COMES.

WE HAVE A PROCESS, I THINK, COUNCIL FOR STARTING 23-24, BUT FOR THIS COMING YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STAFF VISIT WITH PARK BOARD STAFF. YES, JOHN.

AND WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE THAT PROCESS IN WRITING? ARE WE GOING TO SEE THAT IN DECEMBER? JUST TO I WILL HAVE IT.

I MEAN, BUT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT YOU THAT IS CREATING THIS.

THIS IS I, I WILL WORK WITH PARK BOARD AND I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO SEE IN THE DECEMBER MEETING SO YOU CAN HAVE A

[01:30:01]

IF IT'S IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE OR IF IT'S A GOAL OR I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

IS THERE ISSUES THAT WE DON'T I GUESS WHAT WE'RE ALL HERE FOR,

[3.C. Discussion Of City Ordinances Governing Park Board Deposits And Budget Approval]

MIKE, YOU LUCKY THING.

I'M GOING TO LET YOU INTRODUCE THIS.

ALL RIGHT. DISCUSSION OF THE ORDINANCE OF GOVERNING, THE PARK BOARD DEPOSITS AND THE BUDGET APPROVAL.

SO THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED ON DECEMBER 8TH ABOUT TAKING ABOUT GETTING THE PARK BOARD'S SURPLUS AND DEPOSITING IT INTO THE CITY'S DEPOSITORY.

AND THEN THIS ALSO TAKES CARE OF THE TWO BUDGETS.

THE TWO.

I'M TONGUE TIED. I'M SORRY.

IT ALSO TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE FIRST QUARTER'S BUDGET.

SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEIR MONEY TO RUN FOR THE FIRST QUARTER AND THEN UP UNTIL MARCH.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, HOPEFULLY THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN TO WHERE THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF THEREAFTER. DON'T FORGET, THERE'LL BE 120 DAY RESERVE.

YES, 150 DAYS RESERVED BACK TO THE PARK BOARD FOR THEIR FOR THEIR RESERVE.

WITH THAT SAID, AS A BUSINESS OWNER OR PREVIOUS BUSINESS OWNER IN GALVESTON.

BEEN HERE FOR 12 YEARS.

THE AMOUNT OF TOURISTS THAT COME TO THIS ISLAND WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE TILL NOW IS TEN TIMES FULL. OUR BUSINESS IS OR THE BUSINESS IS THRIVING.

I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL DUE TO THE PARK BOARD'S ADVERTISEMENT AND THE AND THE USE OF THE HOT TAX TO GET THESE PEOPLE HERE. I THINK THE THE JOB THAT THEY HAVE DONE IS UNBELIEVABLE.

WHAT SCARES ME IS CHANGE.

SO WE'RE ASKING NOW TO TAKE THIS PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL AND CHANGE IT.

AND WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO WORK.

WE DON'T KNOW IF IF IF YOU CHANGE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHAT THE OUTCOME TO THE BUSINESSES AND THE ISLAND WILL BE.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M PUSHING BACK.

THE LAW IS THE LAW.

I FEEL THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH NO MATTER WHAT I SAY.

BUT THAT IS MY BIGGEST FEAR, IS THAT IT'LL HURT THE BOTTOM LINE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

SO OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION, QUITE FRANKLY.

WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH THIS ORDINANCE? TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW.

WHICH STATE LAW IS THAT? 350105 YOU CHOOSE WHAT PART OF THAT CONTRACT, WHAT IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ANYONE.

WE ALLOCATE TAX MONEY TO OFF TAX ANY TAX.

IN THIS CASE, THE 2014 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THAT ADDRESS IS WHAT ADDRESSES THE 2014 LOCAL AGREEMENT.

SAYS THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD AGREE THAT THE PARK ROAD WILL UNDERTAKE TO COLLECTION HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES.

ALL ACTUAL LOCAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES COLLECTED WILL BE MAINTAINED IN THE CITY'S ACCOUNT DESIGNATED FOR SUCH TAXES.

SO IN 2015 AN ACCOUNT WAS DESIGNATED THAT WE PUT THE MONEY INTO.

NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN THAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE 2019 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY TERMINATED THE 2014.

SO THE SO THE PARK BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER CONTRACT FROM THE CITY TO COLLECT HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM.

AND I THANK YOU FOR FLUSHING IT OUT, DAVID, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PROBLEM YOU'RE FOCUSING ON IS THE PROBLEM AND THE 2019 AND SAYS THE RELEVANT TERMS ARE CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE 2014.

NO, THAT SAYS THEY'RE TERMINATED.

THINK YOU NEED TO READ THAT BETTER.

AND BESIDES WHICH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION ON TUESDAY, THE LINE ITEM IN YOUR POWERPOINT SLIDE SAID THAT FUNDS MUST BE MAINTAINED IN THE CITY ACCOUNTANT SAYS

[01:35:08]

SO AND THEY ARE NOT BEING.

THIS ACCOUNT WAS DESIGNATED IN 2015, DECEMBER OF 2015.

THE REFERENCE TO THE CITY ACCOUNT.

DO YOU HAVE A REFERENCE TO THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED THAT? I HAVE A REFERENCE IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT SAYS. OH, NO, NO.

NOTHING FOR SIGNATURE.

WELL, LET ME TALK TO COLUMBO'S IS ON DOES NOT COMPORT WITH STATE LAW.

IT DOES NOT. I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD SEVERAL ATTORNEYS TO DISAGREE WITH ME ON THAT.

BUT BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF ATTORNEYS THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU.

BUT GUESS WHAT? I HAVE ONE ATTORNEY.

CITY COUNCIL HAS ONE.

I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S THE ONE WE NEED TO FOLLOW.

I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN GO OUT AS HOWEVER ILLEGALLY YOU DO AND FIND YOURSELF A COUPLE OF LAWYERS.

BUT NO DISRESPECT, DON, LIKE TO SAY THAT, DON'T YOU THINK? I THINK IF YOU GET TEN ATTORNEYS IN A ROOM, YOU'LL GET TEN DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

I AGREE. BUT THAT AND THAT DIRECTION AND WHATNOT FROM THE CITY, I AGREE.

WE DO NEED A CONTRACT THAT SAYS THE PARK BOARD WILL COLLECT.

BUT I ALSO AGREE IT SHOULD BE DEPOSITED IN THE CITY'S ACCOUNT, . TO YOUR CONCERN, MIKE.

SO HOW MANY YEARS HAS THE PARK BOARD BEEN ESTABLISHED? 63. DID YOU SAY WE HAVE OUR 60TH BIRTHDAY COMING? 60TH. SO UP UNTIL FIVE YEARS AGO, IT WAS ALWAYS DONE THAT WAY.

WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

THERE WAS A POINT WHERE THE CITY ACTUALLY COLLECTED HOT TAX, UP UNTIL 2015.

BUT IT WAS COLLECTED AND DEPOSITED IN THE CITY ACCOUNT UP UNTIL THAT 15.

AND THERE NEVER WAS AN ISSUE PRIOR TO THAT OF THE MONEY GOING BACK TO THE PARK BOARD FOR THE FINANCIAL NEEDS THEY HAD AND SO FORTH.

YES. LET'S SEE, DAVID, IF THERE'S OTHER COMMENTS FIRST.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS? OKAY, GO AHEAD, DAVID.

YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY IN THE MEETING, MARTY, THAT YOU YOU THOUGHT A SIMPLER SOLUTION WOULD BE TO PUT THIS IN THE LOCAL, NOT IN AN ORDINANCE.

SURE. THERE ARE TWO GOOD REASONS WHY WE SHOULD DO THIS VIA ORDINANCE AND NOT IN LOCAL SEVEN OF THE PEOPLE SITTING AT THIS TABLE.

WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, SIX AT THE TABLE ARE ELECTED, NOT APPOINTED, TO PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE AND TO WATCH THEIR MONEY.

SEVEN. NOT 15 OF US.

ALL OF OUR TAXES, WHETHER IT'S SALE, AD VALOREM FRANCHISE TAXES, HOT TAXES ARE IMPOSED BY THE PEOPLE THROUGH CITY COUNCIL PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTES. AND THE STATE SPECIFICALLY CHARGES US WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANAGING THOSE TAXES.

GIVEN THE PARK BOARD CLEARLY DISAGREES WITH OUR VIEW OF WHAT STATE LAW REQUIRES, PUTTING TAXES IN A CONTRACT MAKES THEM NEGOTIABLE AND IMPLIES THAT WE HAVE A JOINT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM.

BUT WE DON'T. OUR BOARD HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY TO THE STATE BECAUSE PARK BOARD DOES NOT IMPOSE THE TAX.

COMPLIANCE WITH CONTRACTS IS A PARK BOARD CITY ISSUE, BUT COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW FALLS STRICTLY TO THE CITY.

IF THE PARK BOARD SPENDS MONEY, IT IS THE CITY THAT'S ON THE HOOK WITH THE STATE, NOT THE PARK BOARD. YOU SAID TUESDAY THERE WERE NO HOT TAX RELIEFS.

YES, THERE ARE THE SEVEN OF US WHO WERE ELECTED TO DO EXACTLY THAT.

SECONDLY, CONTRACTS.

I'M GLAD TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

SECONDLY, WHAT I'M DOING.

SECONDLY, CONTRACTS ARE BASED ON THE LAW.

THEY AREN'T THE LAW.

AND CONTRACTS ARE REQUIRED WHEN WE SPEND ANY MONEY.

NOT INCLUDED. WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH YOU OR ANYONE ELSE FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF TAX.

THE CONTRACT FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE'LL BE NEGOTIATING WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY BE WITH THE PARK BOARD FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

BUT IF THAT CHANGES WITHOUT ORDINANCES ON THE BOOKS GOVERNING THE MANAGEMENT OF THOSE HOT TAXES, BUDGETS AND REPORTING, THE CITY WOULD BE BACK TO SQUARE ONE TO RENEGOTIATE THE LAW WITH YOUR SUCCESSOR.

THEREFORE, RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE LAW AS COUNCIL AND ITS ATTORNEYS INTERPRET THEM SHOULD BE CODIFIED VIA ORDINANCE.

SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TRUSTEES AT THE PARK BOARD TO DO WHAT JASON DID TODAY?

[01:40:04]

SO YOU ARE THE HOT POLICE? YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ELECTED TO DO.

OKAY? SEVEN OF US WERE ELECTED TO DO THIS VERY THING.

SEVERAL OF US ELECTED MORE THAN ONCE.

YEAH, THAT'S JUST, I MEAN, THAT'S SO FAR AWAY FROM MY LOGIC, I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.

REALLY? BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK SO? NO, NO, NO. IN WASHINGTON, THE BUREAUCRATS IN WASHINGTON ARE LOOKING AT THIS SAYING, MAN, WE CAN TAKE SOME LESSONS, YOU KNOW? YEAH, BECAUSE WHERE'S THE BUREAUCRACY NOW? I'M GOING TO BECOME NOW I'M GOING TO BE UNKIND ABOUT IT.

WHERE IS THIS GETTING US? PARK BOARD IS THE BUREAUCRACY.

YOU ARE THE ADD-ON.

I PROPOSE THE CITY COLLECT THE HOT TAX.

OKAY.

LET ME SAY THIS.

WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS.

THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF OPINION FROM THE CITY AND THE PARK BOARD.

THIS IS ON OUR AGENDA FOR DECEMBER 8TH.

WE WILL MAKE A DECISION ON THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS THAT ANYONE HAS? THIS WAS THE SUBJECT THAT I THOUGHT WOULD TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN IT DID.

SO THIS WAS A SHORT [INAUDIBLE].

YES, MA'AM. ARE YOU ABOUT TO CLOSE OUT WHAT YOU SAID? ARE YOU COMING? I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD THE DISCUSSION OF THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK DECEMBER THE 8TH AND LOOK AT SEVEN PROJECTS FROM THE CIP.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN WITH THE FUTURE PLANS FOR THE 2023 BUDGET.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK DECEMBER 7TH, DECEMBER 8TH, I'M SORRY, AND TALK ABOUT AND DECIDE ON THE HOT TAX CONTRACT AND AGREEMENT OR WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE OR.

YES, MA'AM.

AND WE HAVE WHEN THE MOTION WAS MADE TO DEFER THE TWO ORDINANCE ITEMS CONCERNING THE DEPOSIT AND THE APPROVAL OF BUDGET THAT WAS DEFERRED FOR ACTION ON DECEMBER 8TH.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THERE IS STILL MORE COMING. ONE MORE ITEM.

WELL, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE ITEM THAT WE'RE ON.

YES. AGAIN, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE THIS WAS A WASTE OF TIME ON THIS AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE WE GOT NOTHING OUT OF IT AT ALL.

BESIDES, WE'RE JUST TELLING THE PARK BOARD WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT ON DECEMBER 8TH.

AND THERE WAS REALLY NO DISCUSSION ON ANYTHING.

SO I GUESS THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

AND LET ME LET ME ADDRESS THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT WAS THE MOTION, THOSE THAT VOTED TO DEFER THAT.

I GOT THE OPINION THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER.

I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON, BUT LET'S DO THAT THEN ASK YOUR QUESTION HERE.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO TRANSFER THE RESERVES OUT OF THE ACCOUNT THERE INTO THE CITY ACCOUNT? IS THERE SOME DISAGREEMENT ON HOW THOSE MONIES ARE RESTRICTED AND WHERE THEY NEED TO BE SPENT, KEPT TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE KEPT? AGAIN, STATE LAW.

DID I MISS THAT ORDINANCE? OH, HOLD ON. DO WE HAVE THAT? THE PARK BOARD BALANCE SHEET ROSE UP.

THINGS LAST MEETING HASN'T CHANGED.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

THE PARK BOARD'S BALANCE SHEET ROSE UP IN THE CITY BALANCE SHEET.

SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN, IT DOESN'T? ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD? NO, IT DOESN'T.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE BALANCE SHEET.

IT'S ABOUT THE DEPOSITS.

DON'T TELL ME. DON'T ASK A QUESTION.

THEN TELL ME TO HOLD ON WHEN I'VE GOT AN ANSWER.

IT'S THE CITY DEPOSITORY QUESTION HERE.

OKAY, SO I HAVE ANOTHER.

HOLD ON. I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED HERE, 120 DAYS OF RESERVE AND 90 DAYS CAN STAY IN A SEPARATE ACCOUNT THAT YOU SAY ISN'T A CITY ACCOUNT, BUT THE OTHER HALF HAS TO GO INTO CITY ACCOUNT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS.

CLEARLY CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

YES, YOU CAN. WE GIVE WE WE GIVE MONEY TO VARIOUS ENTITIES.

YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ENTITY THAT RECEIVES HOT TAX BY CONTRACT.

WE GIVE THAT HOTEL TAX TO PEOPLE FOR SPECIFIC [INAUDIBLE].

BUT THAT PROCESS IS NOT IN THE AUDITS, RIGHT? THAT PROCESS? NO, THE PROCESS.

AND SO LAST LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE, WE HAD ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS.

PEOPLE WERE ASKING QUESTIONS.

THEY COULDN'T GET ANSWERS.

THEY WERE GOING BACK AND FORTH.

I HAVE HEARD NO ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS WE ASKED IN THE LAST MEETING, AND THE AUDIENCE IS EXACTLY THE SAME.

WHAT ARE YOU? THE PROCESS WAS ONE OF THEM.

WE KEPT GOING BACK AND FORTH AND WE WOULD GET DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

NOBODY COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AT THE MEETING.

AND THAT'S THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE DEFERRED IT, BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS WERE NOT GETTING ANSWERED AT THAT MEETING.

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ALL THAT ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT YOU NEED A DEPOSIT IN OUR ACCOUNTS, RIGHT? IF THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS TO SAY, THAT'S FINE.

BUT THAT WAS NOT THE DISCUSSION AT OUR MEETING IN THE PROCESS OR IF THE MONIES MOVE OVER TO THE CITY PRICING.

AND I THINK MIKE OFTEN HAVE WORKED ON THAT PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN WORKED OUT AT ALL, THOUGH.

THAT PROCESS EXISTS TODAY.

TODAY, $0.09 OF HOT TAX GOES INTO THE PARK BOARD'S ACCOUNT AND TWICE A MONTH [INAUDIBLE].

SO THAT PROCESS IS ALREADY THERE.

BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

YOU WANT THE MONEY. I MEAN, DOES THIS NEED TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE OR NOT OR SOME OTHER DOCUMENT? DOES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN SEVEN DAYS? DOES IT NEED TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY? DOES IT NEED TO GO DIRECTLY IN OUR ACCOUNTS? THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WELL, THAT'S THOSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

BUT NOTHING WENT IN THAT ORDINANCE.

THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ORDINANCE.

AND SO WE'LL KEEP GOING ON.

AND SO IF THAT IF THOSE QUESTIONS, DO THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR ARE WE JUST SAYING, . LOGISTICS QUESTION ON HOW THAT HAPPENS IF WE APPROVE THOSE ORDINANCES.

AND I THINK. BRYSON, WE WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS.

NO, NO. BRYSON AND MIKE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

IT'S AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE AND YEAH, THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

WE'LL WORK OUT THE DEAL. MIKE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS BEFORE I APPROVE AN ORDINANCE THOUGH.

DO YOU KNOW HOW THE CITY'S ORDINANCE WORKS NOW? HOW DO WE MOVE MONEY AROUND NOW? IN SOME CASES I DO NOT ALL CASES.

I MEAN, IF I'M GOING TO IMPROVE AN ORDINANCE I WOULD LIKE I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO KNOW.

THAT MIGHT BE VERY SIMPLE, VERY SIMPLE PROCESS.

AND IF IT IS, THAT'D BE GREAT BECAUSE YOU COULD PROBABLY PROVIDE IT PRETTY EASILY AND MAYBE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MAKE ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND MAKE ME FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE APPROVING AN ORDINANCE.

I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT NOW, SO WE'RE HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO SEE TO APPROVE IT.

COME DECEMBER. I WOULD HAVE LIKE TO HAVE HAD THAT DISCUSSION HERE WITH [INAUDIBLE].

BRYSON. MARTY, O YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? HOW DO YOU WANT YOUR.

SO I HAVE THREE EXCEL SHEETS TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS TODAY, THE PROPOSED PROCESS AND WHAT THE PARK BOARD.

WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE TODAY.

I MEAN, I CAN SHARE THEM WITH YOU LATER TODAY.

TODAY, THE PARK BOARD COLLECTS NINE PENNIES.

ALL RIGHT. OUR BOARD COLLECTS NINE PENNIES.

IF I STAY IN ONE OF JUST ROOMS FOR $1, HE CHARGES ME $1.15.

WHEN I LEAVE, HE KEEPS $1.15 PENNIES.

COME OUT. PARK BOARD GETS NINE.

HE SENDS NINE TO THE PARK BOARD.

HE SENDS SIX TO THE STATE.

TODAY, THE PARK BOARD COLLECTS THOSE NINE PENNIES.

ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO.

WE'RE COLLECTING THOSE NINE PENNIES.

WE RETAIN FOUR I'M LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

IF WE APPROVE AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS THESE ACCOUNTS, THESE FUNDS GOING INTO A DIFFERENT ACCOUNT, THAT THE CITY CONTROLS, HOW THOSE TRANSFERS WORK AND WHEN YOU ALL GET YOURS MONEY, WHAT WE DO WITH THE RESERVE FUNDS THAT WE KEEP, THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT I WANT TO KNOW BUT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING A POLICY.

WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS OPERATIONAL.

SHOULD BE IN THE CONTRACT. I COULD.

WHY COULDN'T WE COVER THAT IN THE WORKSHOP BEFORE OR HAVE A SPECIAL WORKSHOP? I THOUGHT WE WERE COVERING THAT TODAY.

WE COULD DEVELOP A PROCESS IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO.

WELL, BUT WE HAD AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US LAST MEETING.

I THOUGHT I ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WOULD GIVE ME ANSWERS FROM THIS MEETING.

MAYBE THAT WAS MY FAULT.

I SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE CLEAR ON WHAT I NEEDED.

THAT'S WHAT I NEED.

AND WE HAD AN ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US THAT THERE WERE PIECES OF IT THAT BRYSON ALREADY SAID WOULDN'T WORK.

CORRECT. WHAT WAS THEN THAT ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT THE QUESTIONS WE HAD THAT WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE ANSWERS TO.

AND BRYSON AND MY CAMP MET.

BUT, MARTY, DO YOU MIND IF I CALL BRYSON UP? I WANT TO TALK ABOUT PRICING AND MIKE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THIS?

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I'M CONFIDENT IN THAT.

THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THE PROPOSED PROCEDURES, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, IS THAT THEY DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE.

THERE WAS SOME STUFF IN THE PROCEDURAL DOCUMENT THAT DIDN'T AGREE WITH WHAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT THEN.

THERE WAS ALSO SOME CONCERNS AT THE TIMING, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO A WHOLESALE CHANGE AND TRANSFER ALL THIS MONEY OVER WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL ACCOUNTING IS.

IT'S HARD TO DO IN SEVEN DAYS, WHICH IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE.

THE PROCEDURES THAT LOCKED IN PRESENTED, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT IS WE WOULD COLLECT AND DIRECTLY DEPOSIT INTO A CITY ACCOUNT.

THE WAY THAT I READ THE ORDINANCE IS THAT WE WOULD COLLECT IT, DEPOSIT IT TO TRANSFERS AND SIMILAR TO HOW WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, EXCEPT WE WOULD BE TRANSFERRING EVERYTHING, BUT IT GETS DEPOSITED TO OUR ACCOUNTS ORIGINALLY FIRST.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT STILL NEED TO GET WORKED OUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS MENTIONING ON THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, IS THE ORDINANCE AND THOSE PROCEDURES HAVEN'T QUITE BEEN MARRIED YET AND THAT'S WHAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK TOWARDS.

AND MIKE, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? SURE. AND TO TAKE THAT A LITTLE FURTHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG QUESTION TO ANSWER, WHICH IS WHERE DOES THE EXCESS GO? THE EXCESS OF TAX THAT'S COLLECTED FROM MONTH TO MONTH THAT'S NOT EXPENDED OR EACH QUARTER BY THE PARK BOARD.

AND I THINK ONE CONCEPT IS THAT THE RESERVE, THE 120 DAY RESERVE IS WHAT THE PARK BOARD NEEDS, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR MORE IF THEY IF THEY NEEDED THAT.

THAT'S A THAT'S A CASH FLOW CUSHION.

THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

IT COULD GO TO FUND PROJECTS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL IN THE MEANTIME AND BE REIMBURSED THE FOLLOWING QUARTER.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I'VE LOOKED AT IN MY OWN RESEARCH THAT I THINK HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THIS IS THE OFFICE THAT I HOLD.

THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE HAS TO SIGN EVERY WARRANT THAT'S ISSUED FROM A CITY DEPOSITORY REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS.

SO THIS CONCEPT THAT'S BEEN KICKED AROUND THAT YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER DEPOSITORY SETUP IS FINE, BUT I'D HAVE TO SIGN EVERY PAYMENT OUT OF IT AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE COSIGNED BY SOMEBODY IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO DO A DUAL SIGNATURE IS REQUIRED AND THE ORDINANCE ARTICLE SEVEN OF THE CHARTER.

SO BUT YOU KNOW, I HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH WITH BRYSON, AND I THINK I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT HE'S SAYING.

I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETWEEN THE TWO OF US AND OUR STAFFS THAT PROTECT EVERY DOLLAR OF THE PUBLIC PURSE AND GET THE RESULT THAT THE COUNCIL WANTS.

YES, JOHN. AND SO DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE THAT TO US BY OUR DECEMBER MEETING? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT CONCEPT YOU WANT IT BASED ON? WELL, BASED ON THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, I MEAN, AND IF THERE'S CHANGES TO THAT ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, WE KNOW THAT THAT HAD A SEVEN DAY.

I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE REVISIONS TO THAT ORDINANCE ONCE THEY GET TOGETHER.

BUT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE HERE TO DO.

I THOUGHT WE TODAY WE WOULD COME TO THIS MEETING.

WE WOULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US, PROBABLY REVISED FROM WHAT OUR WHAT WE SAID IN OUR LAST MEETING AND THAT WE COULD TALK TO THE BOARD, HAVE AN AGREEMENT HERE AND IN FINE TUNE IT.

SO WHEN THE DECEMBER MEETING, WHEN IT COMES TO DECEMBER MEETING, WE'D HAVE SOMETHING MORE CONCRETE IN FRONT OF US.

AND I THINK THAT IS THAT THOSE POLICIES, THOSE PROCEDURES THAT ARE THAT ARE GOING TO CONTROL THE MONEY ARE WHAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH.

THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH THE AUDITS, THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH THE PROCEDURES AND THE CONTROL OF THE MONEY.

AND RIGHT NOW, THAT IS TOTALLY UP IN THE AIR.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE WHOLE ROOM HERE FULL, BECAUSE THEY WANT ANSWERS.

NITRO YES, CONTROL IS WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY, AND YOU'LL DO A FINE JOB AT IT.

AND I HAVE EVERY EVERY BIT OF CONFIDENCE THAT YOU TWO CAN WORK THAT OUT.

THAT'S TRUE AT THE PARK BOARD, TOO.

SO BUT WE WANT TO SEE PROFESSIONAL STAFF COLLECTIVELY THAT THAT CAN IMPLEMENT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT US TURNING AROUND EVERY DOLLAR AND GIVING IT BACK AS IT'S COLLECTED? OR DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM WHAT'S IN THEIR BUDGET? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

AND THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING GREAT TO DISCUSS WHILE EVERYBODY'S HERE.

SO I HAVE AN IP.

YEAH. OKAY, HOLD ON.

I JUST WILL.

YEAH. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO PATIENT AND FOR GOOD REASON ON THIS, I WANT TO ECHO YOU 100%.

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AND THESE TWO GUYS HERE ARE A FANTASTIC EXAMPLE OF GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP, LOOKING FOR THE COMMON GOOD, TRYING TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD.

CHANGE HAPPENS, CHANGE CAN HAPPEN FOR THE GOOD.

THAT'S FINE. WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS IS THE IMPACT ON THE LOGISTICS OF STAFF.

SO I DON'T WANT TO PRESUPPOSE ANYTHING OF THE CITY SERVICES.

IT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE.

I DON'T DEAL WITH IT.

MY BALD HEAD HAT IS OFF TO YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT.

BUT I DO KNOW FROM THE PARK BOARD SIDE THAT THESE POTENTIAL CHANGES CAN HAVE MASSIVE IMPACT ON STAFF RESOURCES, HOW THE STAFF IS DOING THINGS, HOW PEOPLE ARE INTERACTING WITH IT, HOW PEOPLE ARE INTERACTING WITH THE HOT TECHS.

AND SO BEFORE JUST A BLANKET ORDINANCE OR INTERLOCAL AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHICHEVER ONE WORKS, I DON'T CARE.

BUT BEFORE THAT IS ENACTED, WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT THOSE DETAILS.

AND I JUST CANNOT AGREE MORE WITH HOW YOU'RE APPROACHING IT.

AND I WANT THAT DISCUSSION AND I WANT THAT DISCUSSION TO BE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE A TWO WAY STREET.

NOT THAT TWO WAY STREET NEEDS TO BE THESE TWO GUYS.

OKAY, WONDERFUL.

BUT A ONE WAY STREET ISN'T WORKING.

IT DOESN'T HELP. IT'S NOT CONDUCIVE TO CONVERSATION.

SO, MAN, MY SIMPLE PLEA HERE IS TO KEEP IT AS MUCH OF A TWO WAY CONVERSATION AS POSSIBLE.

MAN, THAT'S WHAT I GOT.

SO I. LET ME JUST COME ON.

I WANT TO ASK TWO THINGS.

ONE IS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, LET'S KEEP OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN MIND, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GETTING READY THAT.

EVERY ONE OF THEM, ABOUT 5000 OF THEM CHANGE THE WIRING INSTRUCTIONS.

RIGHT. SO LET'S JUST KEEP OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN MIND AND OUR CITIZENS AND OUR RESIDENTS UNLESS YOU REFUSE TO COLLECT THE HOT DOG.

WELL, WAIT A SECOND. LET'S WATCH.

NO, NO, NO. THEY DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE WIRING INSTRUCTIONS.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN PRECIPITATED OUT OF A RUMOR.

WELL, GOING TO A DIFFERENT THING.

AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE DETAILS.

THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE DETAILS. THE SECOND THING IS, JUST WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PORTION, THE CITY CHARTER REQUIRES THREE PENNIES TO BE FULL, THREE PENNIES BE APPORTIONED TO THE PARK BOARD WITHOUT REGARD TO BUDGET.

SO I THINK WHAT WHAT JOHN'S ASKING IS THAT WE NEED TO SEE THE DETAILS ON THE LOGISTICS AND THE TECHNICALITIES AND HOW THESE MONIES ARE MANAGED AND HOW THEY'RE TRANSFERRED BASED UPON THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US AT THE LAST MEETING.

AND IF THERE ARE AMENDMENTS TO THAT THAT YOU TWO GENTLEMEN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THIS FIELD, NEED TO BE IN THAT ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THOSE.

SECONDLY, THE ISSUE OF THE RESERVES AND WHERE THE RESERVES RESIDE AND HOW THOSE ARE MANAGED BY THE CITY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND THIRDLY, ON THAT, THE TRANSFER OF THE MONIES AND DO WE FUND THE BUDGET ONLY OR DO WE PROVIDE THE PENNIES THAT ARE ALLOCATED FOR YOU THROUGH THE CHARTER AND OTHER OTHER INSTRUMENTS? AND THOSE THREE QUESTIONS, I THINK, JOHN, IS WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT ON THIS, IS THAT, JOHN, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? I MEAN, I JUST NEED THE DETAILS.

I NEED TO KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

JASON. YEAH, AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT JP LOOKING INTO THIS AND TAKING A VERY PROCEDURAL, METHODICAL LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

DAVID'S POINTED OUT MAJOR INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE CHARTER ORDINANCES, STATE LAW, AND MARTY'S POINTED OUT PROBLEMS AS WELL.

AND I THINK BEING LEGAL IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I DO THINK THAT THIS IS AN URGENT NEED THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE DONE HASTILY BECAUSE I ALSO THINK IN THE END, WE HAVE TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE, AS FIDUCIARY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BEING RECONCILED BETWEEN ACCOUNTS.

OKAY. WITH THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY PENNY SPECIFICALLY EARMARKED.

SO I DO THINK THAT I HAVE ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD, IN MR. FRAZIER AND MR. LOFTON, TO BE ABLE TO WORK THIS OUT.

I WILL PUT MY NECK ON THE LINE.

I DO PREFER AN INTERLOCAL AS OPPOSED TO AN ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.

AND THE REASON IS, IS A LESSON THAT I LEARNED FROM MARY ALBRIGHT A LONG TIME IS THAT IT'S GREAT TO HAVE SUNSETS.

I MEAN, THERE'S ORDINANCES ARE USUALLY PERPETUAL AND I MEAN, THERE'S ORDINANCES DATING BACK DECADES, GENERATIONS THAT ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT, THAT ARE STILL ON OUR BOOKS AS WELL.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE IS SO, SO MANY DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT HERE WITH A NEW SYSTEM THAT WE START WITH AN

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BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FLEXIBILITY OF A CONTRACT BETWEEN TWO NEGOTIATING BODIES FIRST.

ALSO, I MEAN, THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THE COLLECTION OF TAXES THAN THE RESIDENTS, THAN THE RECOLLECTION. AND MARTY DID BRING UP THE POTENTIAL FOR CITY HALL COLLECTING REVENUE.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT TRANSFERS BACK AND FORTH, I MEAN, IT'S SOMEONE IN FINANCE THAT JUST THAT THAT GIVES ME PAUSE BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE'S A TRANSFER BACK AND FORTH, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR A MISTAKE TO BE MADE.

SO I DO WANT EVERYONE TO CONSIDER AS WELL CITY HALL COLLECTING THE HOT REVENUE IN TAXES AS WELL.

ANYTHING TO CUT OUT THAT EXTRA STEP, WHETHER IT'S WHOEVER COLLECTS IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD IT RATHER THAN TURN IT ALL THE WAY BACK OVER.

THAT'S MY ADVICE. WE ARE AT THE END OF OUR TIME ON THIS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BOTH THESE ITEMS ON THE BUDGET APPROVAL AND THE DEPOSIT ON OUR DECEMBER 8TH AGENDA.

AS COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED, WE WILL HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THOSE THAT MORNING TO TALK ABOUT.

WE HAD THREE ITEMS THAT WERE ENUMERATED TO YOU, MIKE, YOU AND BRYSON.

I THINK YOU GOT THOSE THREE ITEMS. SO WE NEED TO GET ANSWERS ON THOSE THREE ITEMS WHEN WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP WHEN WE.

RECONVENE. AND ANYTHING ELSE COMES.

I WANT YOU TO MENTION SOMETHING.

YES. JUST WANT TO MENTION ALSO, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE INFORMATION WAS SENT IN JULY TO TO THE CITY.

IT WAS RECEIVED BY THE CITY.

THE CITY PUT TOGETHER A COMPREHENSIVE REPLY TO THAT AND SENT IT BACK OVER TO THE PARK BOARD IN AUGUST.

AND THEY HAD NOT HEARD BACK ON THE PARKWAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

THE COUNCIL'S BEEN SENT THAT EMAIL.

YES. YOU JUST SAID EMAIL.

OKAY. WE HAVEN'T RESPONDED, BUT WE INCORPORATED THOSE CHANGES.

NO. YOU ALSO SAID ON THE RECORD THAT WE DID.

HOLD ON. HOLD ON. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE AT 430.

IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO THAT.

EXCUSE ME. WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESPOND TO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW RESPONSE FOR THAT.

SURE. GO AHEAD. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO.

LET'S GO OVER HERE ONE SECOND, DON.

WE WE PUT THIS IN FOR 430.

CAN WE GO PAST 430? SURE. YEAH, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.

I MAKE A MOTION. WE DO.

LET'S GO. GO AHEAD.

I WANT TO HEAR THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

ABSOLUTELY CAN GET CHANGED AND REFLECT.

WE'VE DONE IT THE TWO YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.

MORE THAN HAPPY TO HEAR RECOMMENDATIONS AND MAKE CHANGES WHERE APPROPRIATE.

THAT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.

BUT IT WAS SAID THAT THE CITY DIDN'T REPLY.

THE CITY IS SAYING THEY DID TALK ABOUT THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES.

I'M NOT SURE WHY HE WOULD SAY THAT.

RIGHT? YES.

THE EMAIL AUGUST 2ND TO YOU AND KELLY.

OUR RESPONSE TO THE CIP AND THE BUDGET AS IT RELATED TO CITY OWNED ASSETS.

YOU RECEIVED IT. OK YOUR CHAIRMAN SAYS YOU ALL NEVER RECEIVED YOU DID RECEIVE IT.

ABSOLUTELY. WE TURN AROUND AND.

YES, ABSOLUTELY. I CAME AND MET WITH HIM HERE AT THIS BUILDING SEVERAL TIMES.

YES. SAID YOU NEVER RECEIVED.

THAT'S WHAT MARTY SAID. THAT'S INACCURATE.

COMPLETELY INACCURATE. OKAY.

BUT WHAT'S THE ISSUE NOW? YOU DID WELL. SO WE RESPONDED.

BUT COUNCIL STILL DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN COUNCIL.

AND THEN YOU SENT COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

CORRECT. 28TH OF SEPTEMBER.

DECEMBER 10TH.

DELIVERED THE BUDGET TO THE CITY JUST PRIOR TO THE OCTOBER BOARD MEETING.

WE ADVISED COUNCIL AND WE RECOMMENDED THEY APPROVE OR VISUALLY THE BUDGET DUE TO THE SHORT TIME FRAME.

AND WE ALSO RECOMMENDED THEY APPROVE ONE OF THE HOT EXPENSE ITEMS DEALING WITH THE RENOVATION OF THE STEWART BEACH PAVILION BECAUSE IT WAS AN EMERGENCY.

THOSE WERE DONE IN THE OCTOBER BOARD MEETING AND WE DEFERRED THE REST OF THE ACTION PENDING COUNCIL'S CURRENT DISCUSSIONS.

WE JUST DON'T WANT ASPERSIONS CAST ON CITY STAFF THAT WE SAT ON SOMETHING, SAT ON THE CITY MANAGER'S DESK SINCE JULY BECAUSE THAT IS FAR FROM ACCURATE AND IT'S DISPARAGING.

I DID SPEAK OVER THE CIP AND THE PARK BUDGETS IN JULY.

I ABSOLUTELY DO. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL.

I THINK WE ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS THROUGH THIS.

BUT YEAH, IF YOU PROMOTE THEM, WE'LL SHOOT THEM OFF.

YOU PROMOTE OK THAT WORKS.

AND YOU. AND YOU GIVE US MONEY FOR THAT.

THANKS, DAVID. WE AGREE ON THAT ONE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT, WE'LL PUT THAT.

MARTY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT ON OUR FIXTURE.

WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING THERE. WE AGREE.

WE HAD THAT ITEM.

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SOUNDS GOOD. HOW'S THAT? THAT WORKS. THANK YOU, GOD.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE A GERMAN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.