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I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 19TH, 2022.[Landmark Commission on September 19, 2022.]
THE TIME IS 4:00.BEFORE WE GET STARTED IN BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MILTON ALBERSTADT, WHO WAS A FORMER ALTERNATE, IS NOW A SITTING COMMISSIONER ON THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AND START WITH ATTENDANCE.
OK DOES ANYTHING ON THE COMMISSION HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY? NO OK APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
HAVE EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? DO YOU SEE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE? NO, NONE. OK THE THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
CATHERINE DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED.
I'M SORRY. THE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS 2300 MECHANIC.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH NO CHANGES.
OK. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON 2300 MECHANIC CASE 22LC -031? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? STAFF ONLY THIS IS A CONSENT AGENDA.
NO. OK IS ANYBODY WISH THAT WE WOULD TAKE THIS OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT IT BACK ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA SO THAT YOU CAN ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS OR EXPLORE THE CASE ANY MORE? NO. NO.
OK. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE CONSENT YOU'LL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
SHARON. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
OKAY. SECOND? I SECOND. JANE SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR. VOTE IS UNANIMOUS.
MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE HAVE A CASE NUMBER 22LC-029 IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
THANK YOU. 22LC-029 THIS IS AT 1620 AVENUE AND ONE HALF.
THAT'S A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD SOLAR PANELS TO THE ROOF.
THERE WERE SIX PUBLIC NOTICES SENT.
PLEASE SEE ATTACHMENT A FOR MORE DETAILS AND PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
THE STRUCTURE IS ONE STORY HIGH RAISE WITH A COMBINATION OF HIP AND GABLE ROOFS.
THE PANELS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY VISIBLE FROM AVENUE M AND ONE HALF, AS PROPOSED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROOF DUE TO THE LARGE SIDE YARD AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE ADJACENT CHURCH.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTAL IS UNCLEAR ON THE FINISH OF THE SOLAR PANELS.
HOWEVER, THE DESIGN STANDARDS REQUIRE A DULL MATTE BLACK FINISH.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL THE REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITION SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE APPLICANT SO CONFORM TO THE DESIGN, MATERIAL AND PLACEMENT INDICATED IN THE EXHIBIT A OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS SOLAR PANELS ON THE WEST PORTION OF THE ROOF SHALL BE RELOCATED TO A LESS VISIBLE LOCATION AND OR OMITTED IF RELOCATION IS NOT FEASIBLE AND THE SOLAR PANEL SHALL BE MATTE BLACK AS OPPOSED TO A SHINY BLACK FINISH.
PLUS [INAUDIBLE] CONDITIONS TWO THROUGH SIX.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS.
SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE THIS IS THE EXHIBIT SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE SOLAR PANELS.
YOU CAN SEE THE ONES ON THE LEFT ARE GOING TO BE FACING THE WEST.
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NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE IS THE PROPERTY ONCE AGAIN LOOKING EAST IN THAT DIRECTION, TOWARD THE WESTERN FACING ROOF, THEN THE PROPERTY LOOKING WEST FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WE HAVE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST.
AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS CASE? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
GIVEN WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING, WOULD THEY THEN RETURN WITH A DRAWING FOR THE PROPOSED THE NEW PROPOSED SITE, OR WOULD THEY JUST WORK WITH YOU ON THAT? GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY WILL.
WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT REVIEW STAFF WILL THEN LOOK AT YOUR DETERMINATIONS AND MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS. GREAT. IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF PROPERTY OWNER HERE, SHELBY GUTHRIE OR RACHEL LOVE? NO. OKAY.
WELL, THEN I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE.
CASE 22LC-029 1620 AVENUE M AND ONE HALF.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CASE 22LC-029 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE WEST PORTION ARE RELOCATED TO A LESS VISIBLE LOCATION OR OMITTED, AND THE SOLAR PANELS FINISH WILL BE MATTE BLACK.
ANY DISCUSSION? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? NO OK.
ALL IN FAVOR. RAISE YOUR HAND.
CASE 14, ADDRESS 1407 BALL REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I'M SORRY. PUBLIC NOTICES WERE SENT NONE OF THOSE RETURNED.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO ADD APPROXIMATELY 117 SQUARE FOOT SMALL REAR ADDITION AS SHOWN ON ATTACHMENT A OF THE STAFF REPORT . THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE CASE OF SCOPE, WORK AND MATERIALS AS PROPOSED, NEW REAR ADDITIONS CONSISTING UTILITY PANTRY ROOM WOULD LAP SIGN TO MATCH EXISTING TREATED WOOD, SOFFIT, TRIM FASCIA AND FREEZE BOARDS TREATED WOOD WATER TABLE PAINTED WOOD LAST SCREEN TO MATCH EXISTING EXISTING TWO OVER TWO WINDOW AND SHUTTERS TO BE RELOCATED ALONG WITH THE NEW ADDITION BEING ADDED ON AND COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF TO MATCH THE EXISTING HOUSE'S WOOD FRAME WITH WOOD LAP SIDING AND COMPOSITION ROOF.
PLEASE NOTE THE APPLICABLE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE STAFF REPORT.
STAFF FINDS THAT THIS REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
THE MODIFICATIONS ARE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, LOCATION D, NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE.
AGAIN, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE ADDITION IS AT, SO IT'S SOMEWHAT VISIBLE, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, LOCATION D THE NARRATIVE IN A CASE OF THE SIDING TRIM FACE OR FREEZE BOARDS AND SCREEN REPOSE ARE OF WOOD TO MATCH EXISTING, WHICH IS PREFERRED FOR NEW ADDITIONS.
BECAUSE SOME DIFFERENTIATION IS RECOMMENDED BETWEEN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND NEW ADDITIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS ADDITION OF A VERTICAL TRIM BOARD BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND REAR ADDITIONS. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO RELOCATE THE EXISTING REAR FACING TWO OVER TWO WINDOW AND SHUTTERS.
RETAINING AND REUSING THESE FEATURES DOES COMPLY WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL.
FINALLY, THE PROPOSED SKIRTING WILL BE PAINT WOOD LATTICE TO MATCH EXISTING, WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HOUSES RAISED AT THIS LEVEL, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
SO WE HAVE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE AS SCENE FROM BALL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY LOOKING EAST AND YOU CAN SEE CIRCLED THE AREA WHERE THAT ADDITION WOULD BE AT, THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST. AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFFS REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ABOUT THIS ADDITION? NO. SO IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OR THE ARCHITECT AVAILABLE?
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GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, AND THANK YOU, DANIEL, AND STAFF FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.I OBVIOUSLY I'M A LITTLE BIT BANGED UP AND AND I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE ONE OF MY DESIGNERS FROM THE OFFICE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I MAINLY WANTED TO JUST INTRODUCE YOU ALL TO HER.
AND, AND, AND HER NAME IS SHELBY.
AND SO SHE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND THE REASON TO INTRODUCE HER TODAY IS THIS IS A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, EASY CASE, BUT WE HAVE SOME OTHER CASES IN THE HOPPER RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BIGGER REQUESTS. AND SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW THIS WORKS.
ME, TOO. AND WE WISH YOU GODSPEED IN YOUR HEALING.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK, DRIBBLING A BASKETBALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING ME GET THROUGH THIS TIME, SO I APPRECIATE THIS.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'RE JUST BRINGING OUT AN EXISTING ADDITION.
RELOCATING THE WINDOW AND USING THE SAME MATERIALS THAT ARE ON THE MAIN HOUSE.
OH. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. I HAVE ONE COMMENT FOR THE OWNER.
THEY'VE DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB WITH THIS PROPERTY.
I THINK SO A LOT SINCE IT'S BEHIND MY HOUSE.
ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON CASE 2 2LC-032 1407 BALL.
WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
THAT WE APPROVE CASE 22LC-032 WITH STAFFS RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SHARON SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? NO. OK ALL IN FAVOR.
RAISE YOUR HAND. THE VOTE IS UNANIMOUS.
THANK YOU. NEXT CASE IS 22 LC-033 1202 POST OFFICE.
OH, I'M GOING AHEAD OF MYSELF.
GO AHEAD, DANIEL. I'M TALKING YOU OUT OF YOUR CHAIR, BUT GO AHEAD.
ALSO PROPOSED IS A NEW METAL SHINGLE ROOF FOR THE PITCHED ROOF.
PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT CONFORMANCE.
STAFF HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE VISIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
THE ADDITION IS LOCATED IN LOCATION A, PRIMARY FAÇADE, AND THESE LOCATIONS PRESERVATION OR PRESERVATION OR REPAIR OF FEATURES IN PLACE IS THE PRIORITY.
IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE VISIBILITY OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ROOFTOP ADDITION BE SET BACK FROM THE PLAIN OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING ALONG POST OFFICE BY 18 INCHES. ADDITIONALLY, THE DORMER ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION BE OMITTED.
THE DORMER ON THE NORTH ELEVATION WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IN ADDITION, IN ORDER TO DIFFERENTIATE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDING.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE, THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATION SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT PRESENTED IN ATTACHMENT A OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS.
A ROOFTOP ADDITION SHALL BE SET BACK FROM THE PLAIN OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING ALONG POST OFFICE BY 18 INCHES, B THE DORMER ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION SHALL BE OMITTED AND, C THE WINDOWS AND THE ROOFTOP ADDITION SHALL BE ONE OVER ONE PANE CONFIGURATION ITEMS TWO THROUGH SIX ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THIS IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION AND DORMERS.
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AND THEN WE HAVE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE WEST, SOUTH AND EAST AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFFS REPORT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.SO CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT? I THINK THAT IS.
I'M JUST SAYING GOING FORWARD, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHERE THAT HOW THAT'S DETERMINED.
[INAUDIBLE] THE FAÇADE OF A SIDE ADDITION AT LEAST 18 INCHES FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILDING FAÇADE.
PERFECT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO. I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE OWNER OR ARCHITECT IS HERE.
RALPH, YOU'RE GOING TO REPRESENT YOURSELF.
FORMER COUNCILMAN RALPH MCMORRIS, WHO ACTUALLY USED TO BE A EX-OFFICIO OF LANDMARK.
ACTUALLY, I'M HERE BECAUSE OF HIM.
SO Y'ALL CAN TAKE IT OUT ON HIM.
YES. I WONDER WHO WE HAD TO BLAME.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND ITS LEADERSHIP FOR SAVING MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
407 12TH STREET IS A HOUSE THAT WAS SLATED TO BE DEMOED, AND IT'S REALLY CAN BE AN ASSET FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND BUT I GAVE HIM A LOT OF MARGARITAS IN THE PROCESS.
I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT MY RESIDENCE, WHICH, AS IN BUSINESS.
IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS PURITY ICE CREAM.
AND MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND I LIKE PROPRIETORS, PROPRIETORS OF CORNER STORES.
WE HAVE LIKE TWO AND A HALF BEDROOMS IN THE PROPERTY.
AND SINCE WE BOUGHT IT, WE, WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO FINISH OUT THE THE ROOF AREA TO REALLY GET MORE SPACE. THIS LAST MONTH, IN AUGUST, MY KIDS WERE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY CAME.
WE HAD 13 PEOPLE IN THIS HOUSE WITH TWO BEDROOMS AND IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
BUT THE NEXT TIME THEY COME OR DOWN THE ROAD, I'D LOVE TO HAVE SOME MORE ROOM.
WE'VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS.
I'VE BEEN SAVING MY MONEY, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.
I WANT YOU ALL TO REALIZE IT'S A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY.
IT'S UNUSUAL IN THE EAST END AND EVEN UNUSUAL IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
AND SO I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO KIND OF CONSIDER THIS WITH A TOTALLY IT REALLY DOESN'T FIT IN ANY PEW THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
EXCUSE ME. OH, BOB BROWN IS MY ARCHITECT ON THIS.
HE WAS MY ARCHITECT WHEN I STARTED 15 YEARS AGO WORKING ON THIS.
AND HE CAN HELP EXPLAIN WHY THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES WITH WHAT THE CITY IS RECOMMENDING ON THIS.
SO WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THESE THESE DIFFERENCES.
BOB, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND HE'S A LOT MORE INTO THE THIS PROCESS THAN I AM SORRY.
SIR COULD YOU SIGN IN, PLEASE? JUST FOR THE RECORD, I CAN SIGN IN ON THIS AND LEAVE IT WITH YOU IF YOU WANT.
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MY NAME IS BOB BROWN.I WAS GOING TO START LOOKING AT [INAUDIBLE].
THIS IS. WHAT CASE IS THIS? OH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT. JUST.
JUST FOR THE RECORD THAT YOU WERE HERE AND THAT YOU SPOKE WITH WITH LANDMARK.
NOW, COULD WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT'S THE ONE OF THE APPLICANT RIGHT THERE. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE DOING OLD HOME WEEK WITH RALPH AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, I REALLY KNOW WHAT A TOUGH JOB IT IS FOR YOU GUYS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE ON THAT SIDE.
RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE SITTING, CONNIE, BACK IN 1999, I SAT THERE FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS ON THE VERY FIRST LANDMARK COMMISSION EVER THAT WAS CREATED IN 1999 WITH THE ORDINANCE, THE PRESERVATION THAT ALSO CREATED CATHERINE'S JOB SO.
I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL USED TO DUKE IT OUT TO THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING IN THOSE DAYS, NO MORE.
AND FIRST OF ALL, THE ROOFTOP ADDITION.
THAT IS THE LITTLE PORCH, THE PORCH THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT OVER THE THE FLAT ROOF, THE ROOFTOP ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL PART OF THE BUILDING IS ALREADY INTENDED TO BE SET BACK ALL ROUND BY ABOUT SIX INCHES.
AND THE DIVISION WAS CHOSEN FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
FIRST, TO DIFFERENTIATE THE VOLUME FROM THE MAIN HOUSE AND CREATE A SHADOW LINE TO HELP DO THAT.
SO YOU SET THE WHOLE VOLUME BACK A LITTLE BIT AND CREATE A SHADOW LINE THAT HELPS DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE, AND WHICH IS REALLY THE PURPOSE, I THINK, OF THE THE STANDARD.
SECOND, TO KEEP IT TO A COMMON NOMINAL DIMENSION, LUMBER SIZE, WHICH IS ABOUT SIX INCHES FOR EFFICIENCY AND FRAMING AND TRIMMING, IS APPROPRIATE FOR A RESIDENTIAL SCALE PROJECT. THE 18 INCH SETBACK THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED IS BASED ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES CHAPTER FOUR DESIGNED FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY SECTION 4.62 I LOOKED IT UP AND THE ILLUSTRATIONS IN THAT SECTION DEMONSTRATE THE STANDARD, THE DEMONSTRATING, THE STANDARD ALL SHOW THREE STORY HISTORIC DOWNTOWN MASONRY BUILDINGS LIKE WE HAVE DOWNTOWN AND GALVESTON WITH A SETBACK SETBACK ON THE ROOFTOP EDITION.
SO THEY'RE REFERENCING SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE IS IS A RESIDENTIAL APPLICATION.
SO THE 18 INCHES, I THINK REALLY DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS CASE.
IT APPLIES MORE TO A DOWNTOWN BUILDING.
SO THE COMMERCIAL PARTS SO THAT THE STANDARD ANTICIPATES THAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
BUT THE COMMERCIAL PARTS OF THIS PROPERTY ARE REALLY THE MASONRY PARTS THAT ARE ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE BUILDING AND THE FAR WESTERN PART ON THIS DRAWING HERE YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL PART WITH THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND SIDE ON THE FAR LEFT AND ON THE DOWNSTAIRS PART.
SO THE 18 INCH SETBACK WOULD MAKE FOR A QUITE LARGE AND DEEP SILL ALONG THE BOTTOM EDGE OF THE PORCH ADDITION THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FLASHED OR ROOFED UNNECESSARILY, DRAWING ATTENTION TO ITSELF FOR NO REAL APPARENT PURPOSE.
IMAGINE A WINDOW IN YOUR HOUSE WITH AN 18 INCH SILL.
NOT LIKE THAT, THAT DEEP, AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE ROOFTOP ADDITION.
THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON THE ROOF TOP [INAUDIBLE].
WE THINK A SIX INCH SETBACK IS MORE PRACTICAL AND WILL SERVE THE PURPOSE OF DIFFERENTIATING THE ADDITION FROM THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WHILE MAINTAINING A RESIDENTIAL SCALE OF THE CONTEXT. SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WE SET IT BACK ABOUT SIX INCHES.
STILL THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THIS PART RIGHT HERE.
BUT IN THIS APPLICATION IS RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS ALL RESIDENTIAL RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE MASONRY COMMERCIAL PART.
SO THAT'S THE ROOFTOP ADDITION SETBACK.
WE'D LIKE YOU TO RECONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION INSTEAD OF 18 INCHES.
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WE'LL JUST MAKE IT SIX INCHES FOR A MORE RESIDENTIAL SCALED APPLICATION.NOW, THE SOUTH DORMER, WHICH YOU ALSO SEE ON THE DRAWING ON THE LOWER LEFT RIGHT THERE, THE DORMER ALLOWS FOR HEADROOM TO MAKE THE SPACE UNDER THE ROOF USABLE, WITHOUT THE DORMER THE SPACE CANNOT BE USED.
IT ALSO BRINGS A NATURAL LIGHT AND CROSS VENTILATION TO THE SPACE UNDER THE ROOF.
A SIGN A PURITY ICE CREAM SIGN, ADDITIONS OF MULTIPLE LARGE MASONRY FACTORY WINGS.
ALL OF THESE CHANGES HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE HISTORICAL CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S, AS STAFF ALLUDED TO THIS AS DESCRIBED ON PAGE 50, SECTION 2.43 OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
IN FACT, THIS DORMER IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED ON 1208 POST OFFICE, A SEPARATE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS IN ADDITION TO THE ORIGINAL BUILDING 1202 POST OFFICE ON THE CORNER.
SO THE BUILDING THAT DORMER IS ON IS LOCATED ON IS A SEPARATE BUILDING FROM THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
SO SINCE ALL THESE ADDITIONS HAVE RESULTED IN BUILDING OUT THE PROPERTY TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON ALL SIDES, THE ONLY OPTION FOR EXPANSION OF LIVING SPACE, BOTH INDOORS AND OUT, IS UPWARD TO THE ROOF.
THE DESIGN STANDARDS DON'T COVER ANY SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
THEY ALL ASSUME THAT YOU'VE GOT SPACE SOMEWHERE ON YOUR PROPERTY TO EXPAND.
SO THE ADDITION OF THE SHED DORMER IS REALLY, WE THINK, A SMALL AND COMPATIBLE MODIFICATION IN THE LIFE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT REALLY DOESN'T COMPROMISE ITS HISTORICAL CHARACTER. AND DORMERS OF THIS TYPE ARE TYPICAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT DORMER.
NOW, THE THIRD CONDITION, THE MODERN CONFIGURATION YOU CAN SEE ON THIS DRAWING OF THE UPPER SASH IS I THINK, YEAH, IT'S A SIX OVER ONE.
THE UPPER SASH HAS SIX LIGHTS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING ONE OVER ONE, WHICH IS FINE WITH US.
I SEE NO PROBLEM IN DOING THAT.
MY ONLY QUESTION FOR STAFF WAS DOES THAT APPLY TO THE WINDOWS ONLY VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR IS THAT ALL ALL THE WINDOWS? WE WERE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION ON ALL THE WINDOWS.
OKAY, THAT'S FINE. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE CONDITIONS IS THAT WE REDUCE THE 18 INCH SETBACK TO SIX INCH FOR A MORE RESIDENTIAL SCALE LOOK AND STILL CREATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO KEEP THE SOUTH DORMER.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RALPH OR I? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
IF THAT WAS TO BE REDUCED TO SIX INCHES, HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THE APPLICATION FROM THE FROM THE STOOL TO THE EDGE OF THE ROOFLINE? THAT COULD BE HANDLED WITH TRIM WITHIN SIX INCHES YOU CAN HANDLE THAT WITH WOOD TRIM, BUT OF COURSE, YOU WOULD FLASH IT, BUT YOU WOULD COVER THE FLASHING WITH A TRIM.
NOW WOULD THE WOOD TRIM THEN LOOK DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER WINDOWS BECAUSE THIS HAS AN EXTRA TRIM ON IT THAT THE OTHER ONE DOES DO NOT HAVE? OH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE YOU WOULD TRIM YOUR WINDOW, BUT THEN YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF CASING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT.
YEAH. SO THERE'S CASING ALL AROUND THE HOUSE AND OTHER PLACES.
YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU WOULD.
OKAY. YEAH. SO YEAH, YOU WOULD STILL BUT LIKE I SAY, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT YOU WOULD KEEP YOUR TRIM YOUR CASING, AS IT WERE, IN A RESIDENTIAL SCALE IF YOU KEEP IT TO SIX INCHES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS BY MERGING THOSE TWO HIP ROOFS INTO ONE.
YEAH. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST KEEPING IN PROPORTION WITH THE OTHER MOLDINGS ON THE HOUSE.
RIGHT. RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I CAN PAINT 1208 A DIFFERENT COLOR IF THAT WOULD BE [LAUGHTER].
WELL, NOW YOU OPEN UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS HERE, RALPH.
OKAY, SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR THEM, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
OH, I'VE GOT TO ASK, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS CASE? NOPE. OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND MAKE A MOTION AND ENTERTAIN A
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MOTION. SO I'LL MAKE THE MOTION ON MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE 22LC-033 1202 POST OFFICE WITH THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT CONDITION A BE ALTERED FROM 18 INCHES TO SIX INCHES.THAT CONDITION B THE DORMER ON THE SOUTHERN ELEVATION SHALL BE ALLOWED.
I'LL SECOND THAT. YOU SECOND THAT.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE MISUNDERSTAND THAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS IS A PERSONAL OPINION BASED ON SOMETHING IT'S NOT.
ARE YOU TALKING TO THE AUDIENCE WELL, I'M IF YOU'LL GIVE ME A MINUTE.
I'M EXPLAINING MY DECISION TO CHANGE FROM STAFF.
GENERALLY, STAFF DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB OF RESEARCHING AND SOURCING WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING.
BUT THERE'S A GRAY AREA THERE WHERE THE COMMISSION HAS TO CONSIDER WHAT IS GOOD PRACTICE.
AND SO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AREN'T 100%, I THINK, TIGHT.
THERE'S SOMETIMES ROOM IN SPECIAL CASES.
IN THIS CASE, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THE ISSUE SO MUCH IS THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN THEY RECOMMEND THIS IS IT'S JUST IT'S MORE OF A STRUCTURAL ISSUE THAT IT WILL LOOK ODD TO HAVE THIS 18 INCH DRAPE.
ALSO SEE AND AGREE THAT IT'S UP THERE QUITE A BIT.
IT'S DEFINITELY A NEW STRUCTURE, HAVING SOME HEADROOM AND SOME WINDOWS UP THERE.
YOU CAN'T GET THAT KIND OF MAKES IT HARD TO JUSTIFY DOING IT RIGHT.
SO THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT I'VE MADE THOSE IT'S NOT THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING NOT ACTUALLY TIGHT AND TIDY WITH WHAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED, BUT THERE IS THE THE THE ABILITY FOR US TO FIND SOME CONDITIONS THAT SHOULD BE MODIFIED FROM WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO. ALL IN FAVOR.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR NEW YOUR NEW PLACE.
YEAH AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT COLOR LATER.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WISH TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? NO SEEING NONE.
THANK YOU.
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