>> VERY GOOD. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. [1. DECLARATION OF A QUORUM AND CALL MEETING TO ORDER] [00:00:03] GLAD TO HAVE EVERYBODY HERE THIS MORNING. I WANTED TO OFFICIALLY CALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY, DECEMBER 15TH TO ORDER AND WELCOME EVERYBODY HERE. I KNOW WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME UP THIS MORNING. STAFF AS ALWAYS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. COUNCIL, GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE LISTENING IN THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, BUT NELLIE, COULD WE HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? >> MAYOR BROWN? >> PRESENT. >> MAYOR PROTEM COLLINS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUSTER. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER BOUVIER. >> PRESENT >> COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI? >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROBB. >> PRESENT. >> VERY GOOD. WE DO HAVE ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. WE NOW HAVE THE INVOCATION, REVEREND ALICIA BESSER FROM MOODY METHODIST CHURCH. GOOD MORNING? >> IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. WILL YOU PRAY WITH ME? GOOD AND FAITHFUL GOD, THANK YOU FOR THESE LEADERS WHO OFFER THEIR GIFTS TO BENEFIT OUR CITY. GIVE ALL OF US WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT ALL WHO CALL GALVESTON HOME. HELP US TO ENGAGE IN MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION THAT NURTURES THE BONDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AS WE GATHER, WE'RE MINDFUL OF THE PASSING OF RETIRED RABBI JIMMY KESSLER. HE GAVE SO MUCH TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. MAY HIS MEMORY BE A BLESSING TO ALL IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN. >> AMEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. VERY GOOD. LET'S HAVE OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. >> >> >> BEFORE WE START THE DETAILS OF THE MEETING HERE, I WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW OUR FORMAT TODAY. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WE NORMALLY GO THROUGH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR REGULAR MEETING. AS YOU CAN SEE OR AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON OUR AGENDA, WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THAT. THEN WHEN WE GET ON OUR AGENDA TO ITEM 13, THAT IS OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS AND THAT IS THE SAME AS OUR WORKSHOP. WE WILL BE CONVENING IN ROOM 204 FOR THAT. AS WE AS WE GO THROUGH OUR BUSINESS HERE, WHEN WE REACH ITEM 13 WE'LL MOVE TO ROOM 204, AND WE'LL HAVE OUR ITEMS THAT WILL BASICALLY BE OUR WORKSHOP ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION TO COUNCIL ALSO, AS WE GO THROUGH ITEM 12 WITH OUR APPOINTMENTS COUNCIL ON THE ACTUAL APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMITTEES, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT WILL BE A MANUAL VOTE. AS WE GET TO THAT, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT AND JANELLE AND NELLIE WILL GUIDE US ON THAT. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE'RE VOTING ON ALL BOARDS MANUALLY, WE'RE NOT DOING THE RANKING SYSTEM? >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> I SAID, WE'RE VOTING ON ALL BOARDS MANUALLY? >> THE ONES, GO AHEAD, JANELLE. >> BY MANUALLY, I JUST MEAN NOT USING THE VOTING SYSTEM. WE'LL JUST DO A SHOW OF HANDS,. >> INCLUDING PLANNING AND MORE OF SPORT. >> YOU'LL STILL FOLLOW YOUR RANKING SYSTEM. >> OKAY >> YES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION THERE. >> YES SIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> HOW ARE WE GOING TO INTERVIEW MR. KELSO? >> THAT IS COMING UP ON OUR AGENDA RIGHT HERE. YES, SIR. >> THERE IT IS. MY APOLOGIES, THERE IT IS. >> YEAH. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO DECLARE? HEARING NONE, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 6, PRESENTATIONS, PLEASE. NELLIE. [6.A. Pursuant to Texas Government Code Section 551.0415, the City Council may report on any of the following items: 1. Expressions of thanks, gratitude, and condolences 2. Information regarding holiday schedules 3. Recognition of individuals a. Constitution Week Proclamation b. Breast Cancer Awareness Month Proclamation 4. Reminders regarding City Council events 5. Reminders regarding community events 6. Health and safety announcement] >> ITEM 6, PRESENTATIONS REPORTS OF COUNCIL, OFFICER BOARDS, AND CITY MANAGER. >> WE HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS. I'D LIKE TO FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME THOSE THAT ARE HERE FOR CELEBRATION OF CONSTITUTION WEEK PROCLAMATION. COME FORWARD AND COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SCHUSTER HAS YOUR PROCLAMATION FOR YOU. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] >> MAY I ASK SOMEBODY TO TAKE A PICTURE? >> WELL, IT MUST BE CONSTITUTIONALLY. THAT MEANS IN US HISTORY, [00:05:01] TODAY'S STUDENTS ARE LEARNING ABOUT CELEBRATE FREEDOM WEEK. I REMEMBER SPENDING A WHOLE WEEK ON THIS AS A TEACHER, SO IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION. THE CITY OF GALVESTON LIKE TO ISSUE A PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS IT IS A PRIVILEGE AND DUTY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO COMMEMORATE THE 235TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITH APPROPRIATE CEREMONIES AND ACTIVITIES. WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO A COURT OFFICIAL RECOGNITION TO THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND ITS MEMORABLE ANNIVERSARY INTO THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATION, WHICH WILL COMMEMORATE THE OCCASION. WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW, 915 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. THEREFORE, WE, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH THE 23RD, 2022 AS CONSTITUTION WEEK IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON AND ASK OUR CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEALS OF THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION HAD IN 1787 BY VISUALLY PROTECTING THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED TO US THROUGH THIS GUARDIAN OF OUR LIBERTIES REMEMBERING THAT LOSS RIGHTS MAY NEVER BE REGAINED. TESTIMONY WHEREOF WITNESS MY HAND AND THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, THIS 15TH DAY OF SEPTEMBER 2022, SIGN CRAIG BROWN, MAYOR AND JENNEL WILLIAMS, CITY SECRETARY. HERE YOU GO. >> CAN WE TAKE A PICTURE? >> YES, MA'AM. >> [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. >> SORRY. [LAUGHTER] [NOISE]. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SEAN CARLSON. I'M REGION TO THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CHAPTER, NATIONAL SOCIETY, DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION HERE IN GALVESTON. OUR CHAPTER IS THE OLDEST ONE IN TEXAS. WE HAVE BEEN SERVING THIS COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES FOR 127 YEARS. SINCE 1956 WHEN CONGRESS FIRST RECOGNIZED CONSTITUTION WEEK, WE HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS WITH POSTERS AND DISPLAYS AND PRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. THIS PROCLAMATION, RECOGNIZING CONSTITUTION WEEK, IS AN IMPORTANT WAY OF PROMOTING THE CONSTITUTION TO THE PUBLIC, AND OUR GOAL IS TO TEACH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AND TO PROMOTE ITS IDEALS AND PRINCIPLES. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US TODAY. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE IT. WE ALSO HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR CELEBRATION OF BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH AND COUNCIL MEMBER MARIE ROBB WILL BE READING THAT. >> I NEVER REMEMBER. [LAUGHTER] DO I SEE A PICTURE? [NOISE] WHEREAS THIS YEAR MAKES THE 31ST ANNIVERSARY OF NATIONAL BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, A MONTH DEVOTED TO ENCOURAGING WOMEN AND MEN TO PRACTICE EARLY DETECTION AND TREATMENT. WHEREAS EARLY DETECTION AS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STRATEGIES FOR TREATING BREAST CANCER SUCCESSFULLY, AND REGULAR SCREENINGS ARE THE MOST RELIABLE WAY TO DETECT IT EARLY. WHEREAS DURING NATIONAL BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH, WE STAND WITH THE COURAGEOUS WOMEN AND MEN WHO HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH BREAST CANCER AND HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE LOST THEIR BATTLE WITH THIS TERRIBLE DISEASE. WHEREAS THE DECADES OF MEDICAL COMMUNITY AND ADVOCATES HAVE HELPED OUR NATION WITH THE GREAT PROGRESS TO FIGHT AGAINST CANCER. STILL OUR NATION HAS A LONG WAY TO GO. BEFORE THIS DISEASE NO LONGER THREATENS AMERICAN LIVES. WE APPLAUD THE ABDICATES, THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THE RESEARCHERS, THAT CAREGIVERS WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO MAKING PROGRESS TOWARDS CURES. THEREFORE, WE, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, [00:10:01] THE CITY OF GALVESTON, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2022 AS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS. WE URGE ALL WOMEN AND MEN TO TAKE STEPS TO HAVE A PLAN TO DETECT THE DISEASE IN THE EARLY STAGES AND TO ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. TESTIMONY WHEREAS WITNESS BY MY HAND, IN THE SALE OF CITY OF GALVESTON, SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2022, CRAIG BROWN, MARE AND JENNA WILLIAMS, CITY SECRETARY. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DONNA, WHO IS A SURVIVOR, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY FRIEND JANET LONGHI, WHO IS BATTLING BREAST CANCER RIGHT NOW, SO PLEASE KEEP HER IN YOUR PRAYERS. >> ABSOLUTELY. PRAYERS ARE AWESOME. >> ALL RIGHT. CAREGIVER, PEOPLE HEARD. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> OCTOBER IS RECOGNIZED AS A SPECIAL MONTH TO INCREASE BREAST CANCER AWARENESS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN SOCIETY. THE NUMBER ONE KEY FACTOR TO SURVIVAL IS EARLY DETECTION. IN 2018, I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH TRIPLE-NEGATIVE STAGE THREE BREAST CANCER. MY BREAST CANCER WAS VERY AGGRESSIVE. IN FACT, IT WAS CANCER THAT I HAD FOR LESS THAN A YEAR AND MORE LIKELY CANCER THAT I HAD POSSIBLY FOR ONLY SIX MONTHS. EARLY DETECTION SAVED MY LIFE KNOWING THE WARNING SIGNS AND WHAT TO LOOK FOR SAVED MY LIFE. I'M THANKFUL EVERYDAY TO BE HERE AND TO BE CANCER-FREE. MY RUNNING JOKE IN THE CANCER WORLD IS THAT BREAST CANCER IS A CLUB THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO JOIN, BUT I WAS RECRUITED ANYWAY. FOR THOSE AFFECTED BY BREAST CANCER, BREAST CANCER AWARENESS IS NOT SIMPLY 31 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR. FOR THOSE SURVIVORS, DRIVERS, AND FIGHTERS AND THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS CANCER IS ALWAYS EVER PRESENT. I THANK YOU CITY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING OCTOBER IS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH. I WILL BE HERE NEXT YEAR. EVERY YEAR THAT I'M WITH GALVESTON AS THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME AND MANY OTHERS. I HAVE MET NO AND YES, AND REMEMBERING STUFF TO THE AUDIENCE, PLEASE SUPPORT THE CAUSE. PLEASE SUPPORT THE CAUSE. TAKE ACTION AND CARING FOR YOUR HEALTH, AND OTHERS REGULARLY. IF YOU FEEL SOMETHING, SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING, AND THEN DO SOMETHING. ALSO, LOVE YOUR LOVED ONES, HAVE FAITH AND SMILE ON THE POSITIVE. TO MY FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND COWORKERS, I WOULD NOT BE HERE AS I'M WITHOUT THE SUPPORT, CARE, AND LOVE GIVEN TO ME. THANK YOU IS NOT ENOUGH, BUT IT IS WHAT I HAVE. SEE YOU AGAIN NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU DONNA VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 7, PLEASE, NELLY. [7. INTERVIEW APPLICANT FOR THE WHARVES BOARD] >> ITEM SEVEN, INTERVIEWED APPLICANT FOR THE WARS BOARD. >> WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE, MARK. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AS YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY POSSIBLY FOLLOWING THIS, WE INTERVIEWED FOR THE WARS BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION AT OUR LAST MEETING A WEEK AGO, MR. KELSO MARK KELSO HAS APPLIED AND HIS SCHEDULE DID NOT PERMIT HIM TO INTERVIEW THEN, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM THIS MORNING, SO MARK, COME ON UP. WHAT WE'LL DO MARK IS GIVE YOU A SHORT TIME TO DO AN INTRO STATEMENT FOR COUNCIL. MAYBE SOME THOUGHTS ON YOUR BACKGROUND AND MAYBE WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO SERVE ON THE BOARD, THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, SIR. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THIS INTERVIEW, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT MY INBOX AND THE CITY SECRETARIES OUTBOX WEREN'T WORRIED WORK COMMUNICATING. MY NAME IS MARK KELSO, SO I CURRENTLY RESIDE IF 50 27 WOODROW HERE IN GALVESTON, AND I'M SEEKING A POSITION ON THE ON THE WARDS BOARD OF TRUSTEES. MY BACKGROUND AND THE MARINE BUSINESS, I HOLD AN UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE AND MARITIME ADMINISTRATION FROM TEXAS A&M, AND I HAVE NINE YEARS' EXPERIENCE WORKING ON IN THE MARINE BUSINESS IN THE DELAWARE RIVER AND THE HOUSTON SHIP CHANNEL, BOTH IN VESSEL REPAIR AND VESSEL AGENCY, WAS THE PRINCIPAL AGENT PHILADELPHIA FOR MSC, HAMBURG, AND MERITS. WHEN MY WIFE AND I CAME OUT OF GALVESTON AND IN 2010 FROM THE DELAWARE RIVER, I WORKED THE PETROCHEMICAL INDUSTRY, ALL THE HOUSTON SHIP CHANNEL AND HERE IN GALVESTON AND THE GRAIN BUSINESS. AGAIN, I HAVE EIGHT YEARS OF WATERFRONT EXPERIENCE AND AN UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE OF MARITIME ADMINISTRATION. [00:15:02] >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MARK. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KELSO? >> HEY, MARK, LOOKING AT THE PORT TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS OUT THERE? WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU COULD BRING TO THE TABLE TO ADDRESS THAT? >> THE BIGGEST ISSUE I THINK GOING ON WITH THE PORT RIGHT NOW IS INFRASTRUCTURE, WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS SEVERELY GAGED. IF WE'RE GOING TO REMAIN A VIABLE PORT, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. IF WE'RE GOING TO REMAIN A DIVERSIFIED, VIABLE PORT, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. >> VERY GOOD, DAVID. >> MARK, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> HOW DO YOU SEE THE BALANCE BETWEEN CRUISE AND CARGO MOVING FORWARD IN THE PORT? >> I SEE THE DIVERSIFICATION MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THE PORT. I SEE US BOTH DIVERSIFIED IN CARGO AND DIVERSIFIED IN THE CRUISE TERMINAL BECAUSE WHEN ONE FALLS OFF, THE OTHER TAKES UP. THEN SINCE OUR PORT IS A REVENUE PORT, WE DON'T HAVE THE TAXPAYER SAFETY NET. THAT DIVERSIFICATION IS VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAINTAIN OUR PLACE IN THE SUN. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? >> EXCUSE ME, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU WERE IN THE MARITIME BUSINESS AND YOU CURRENTLY, >> I AM CURRENTLY THE SOCIAL STUDIES DEPARTMENT COACH HERE AT BALL HIGH SCHOOL OF THE MARITIME BUSINESS IN 2011. ACTUALLY, 2013, I HAD A LITTLE ONE COME INTO MY LIFE. MY WIFE AND I WERE BLESSED WITH A SON AND IT SEEMED A BETTER FIT FOR ME TO GO BACK IN THE CLASSROOM SO I COULD SPEND MORE TIME WITH HIM BECAUSE THE MARINE BUSINESS IS PRETTY INTENSE WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE. I DO MISS IT. I ENJOY WATCHING THE SHIPS AND BACKING THEM. MY SON AND I WILL RIDE ON THE FERRY AND ONCE THE CONTAINER SHIPS COMING IN AND OUT I'LL EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE PILOTS TAGS THE LINES AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW BEING A VESSEL AGENT, YOU ALSO WORK WITH THE REGULATORY AGENCIES SUCH AS THE COAST GUARD AND US CUSTOMS ON A REGULAR BASIS. YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH CAPITAL TO PORT ORDERS, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH CF R33, SECURITY ISSUES, CFR 19, IT GETS STUFF. THERE'S A LOT OF YEARS IN THE WORKS IN THE MARINE BUSINESS AND I FEEL LIKE CAN BE AN ASSET TO THE WARS BOARD. >> THANK YOU. >> WITH YOUR AFFIRMATION. >> MARK, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. WE'VE GOT MAJORITY OF THE LAND THAT'S UNDEVELOPED ON PELICAN ISLAND. THEY ARE OWNED BY THE PORT OF HOUSTON. ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON MAKING THAT PRODUCTIVE LAND FOR THE CITY OF GALVESTON AND FOR THE PORT? >> THE LAND ON PELICAN ISLAND BEING THAT IT IS PORT OF HOUSTON, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SOME AGREEMENT WITH THEM FIRST. WHAT I SEE DRIVING DOWN HARBOR SIDE AS THE WIND BLADES, THAT'S GOING TO BE A VIABLE AREA THAT OUR PORT IS GOING TO BE INTO FOR A LONG TIME, THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. THE PROBLEM I SEE IS THE INTERMODAL ACCESS TO PELICAN ISLAND, THE RAIL ACCESS, THE BRIDGE. THAT'S GOING TO BE CORRECTED BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY MARK THAT AREA. THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT. >> THANK YOU. MARK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. MARK, WHAT WE'LL DO IS YOU MAY BE AWARE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS TODAY. COUNCIL HAS NOT RANKED ALL OF OUR APPLICANTS AS YET FOR THE WARS BOARD OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE TAKING A BREAK BEFORE WE MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS TO GIVE THOSE RANKINGS TO OUR CITY SECRETARY. THEN WE WILL BE MAKING THOSE APPOINTMENTS LATER TODAY. WANT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON FOR YOUR APPLICATION. >> THANKS YOUR HONOR, I APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> YES. WILLIAM. >> MR. KELSO. I KNOW YOU'RE GOOD, APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME OFF COMING TODAY. >> FIRE ME. >> YEAH. BUT THANKS FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR ME. I DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS YOU, BUT HE WAS MY TEACHER IN EIGHTH GRADE, SO IT'S [LAUGHTER] >> TEACHER IN EIGHTH GRADE AND HIS COLLEAGUE AT BALL HIGH AND THEN WHEN I HEARD HE WAS RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL, I WAS LIKE GO. WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY CAME UP TO APPLY FOR THE WARS BOARD, FIRST PERSON ON MY MIND WAS WELL SCHUSTER, HE SET THE EXAMPLE. WHEN THE STUDENT SETS THE EXAMPLE FOR THE TEACHER, THAT'S A GOOD THING AND I BETTER STEP UP SO HERE I AM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. [8.A. Consider For Approval An Ordinance Of The City Of Galveston, Texas, Placing A Moratorium On The Acceptance Of The Annual Short Term Rental Registration Fee For A Period Not To Exceed Ninety (90) Days Or Until The Adoption And Implementation Of An Amended Registration Fee; Allowing For The Suspension Of The Short Term Rental Annual Fee Registration During The Timeframe Of The Moratorium; Making Various Findings And Provisions Related To The Subject; And Establishing An Immediate Effective Date. (Legal)] WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY DON GLYWASKY WHO HAD TO BE WITH SOME FAMILY PERSONAL BUSINESS THIS MORNING AND IS NOT WITH US, BUT WE'RE DELIGHTED TO HAVE DONNA FAYWEATHER FILL IN AND [00:20:05] LEGAL HAS PULLED WITHDRAWN THIS ITEM ON ITEM A DAY. IS THAT CORRECT, DON? >> [BACKGROUND]. >> WE HAVE THAT. DO WE NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT OR NEED TO DO THAT? VERY GOOD. WE'RE MOVING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. [9. PUBLIC COMMENT] THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE INPUT ON AGENDA AND NONAGENDA ITEMS. WE ALLOW THREE MINUTES FOR THIS. EITHER FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENTS DUE TO THE DETAILS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, BUT WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOUR INPUT. I HAVE ONE FORM THAT'S BEEN FILLED OUT. IT'S BILL KEYS. BILL, GOOD MORNING TO YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BILL KEYS AND GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE. AS YOU PROCEED IN YOUR INVESTIGATION OF THE ISSUES SURROUNDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU HIGHLIGHT AND ELEVATE TWO ISSUES. ONE BEING THE DENSITY INVOLVED IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE OTHER ONE BEING THE URGENCY. IN THE DENSITY AS WE'VE SEEN FROM THE REPORTING THAT HAS COME INTO THE PARK BOARD, SINCE DECEMBER, WE HAVE HAD AN INCREASE OF 40.5 PERCENT INCREASE IN SHORT-TERM REGISTRATIONS. NOT ALL OF THAT IS NEW, BUT IT'S SOME CATCHING STRAGGLERS, BUT A LOT OF NEW ONES. WE ALL KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE OPENING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER DENSITY IN ANYTHING THAT YOU DO. SECONDLY, I'D URGE YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT IS UNFORTUNATELY BEEN PUT IN OUR FACE. A COMPANY OUT OF FLORIDA, VTRIPS, OWNED BY STEVE MILO MADE HIS ENTRY INTO OUR COMMUNITY LAST YEAR WITH BUYING HORIZON. HIS COMPANY HAS SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THOUSANDS OF THEM IN NOW SIX DAYS WITH TEXAS. IN MARCH, HE HELD A SOIREE AT THE MOODY GARDENS TO INVITE ALL THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE AND INTERESTED MANAGERS AND OWNERS TO IT. AT THAT POINT, HE CREATED THE TEXAS PROFESSIONAL VACATION RENTAL COALITION. THEY RAISED $30,000 IN THAT MEETING FROM GALVESTON TO PURSUE HIS QUEST OF GETTING THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE TO EXEMPT CITY COUNCILS FROM REGULATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. HE'S HOLDING ANOTHER ONE OF THESE SOIREES IN AUSTIN, TEXAS TONIGHT. THE INDUSTRY HAS GROWN. THERE IS CONSOLIDATION GOING ON NATIONWIDE AND THERE'S ATTEMPT AND STEVE MILO HAS BEEN ABLE SO FAR TO GET FLORIDA AND TENNESSEE TO PASS LEGISLATION TO EXEMPT CITY COUNCIL SOME RELATED SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THIS CAN HAPPEN IS FLAT THREE SESSIONS. LEGISLATURE HAS TALKED ABOUT THIS. IT WILL BE A MAJOR TOPIC THIS NEXT SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE. THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST OF NEXT YEAR, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO REGULATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT IS WHY I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE URGENCY OF YOUR ACTIONS IN THIS CASE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, BILL. APPRECIATE IT. BOB BROWN. BOB. >> HELLO. I'M BOB BROWN. I LIVE AT 1027 CITY. A THIRD ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS AND OF ALL THE CASES THAT WE'VE SEEN, THOSE CONCERNING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS DREW THE MOST COMMENT, AND CROWDS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. MOST OF ALL THE COMMENTS HAD TO DO WITH THE GALVESTON RESIDENTS COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PROLIFERATION OF STRS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. SOME WERE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND CHANGE THEIR ZONING FROM R1 TO R2 ELIMINATING THE POSSIBILITIES OF NEW STRS, NOT OLD ONES. OTHERS COULD NOT MEET THE QUALIFICATION FOR THE ZONING CHANGE, THEY COULD ONLY EXPRESS FRUSTRATION. I LIVE IN THE EAST END NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, AND HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTAL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ALLEY FROM ME AND THREE ON MY BLOCK FACE, YOU MIGHT SAY THAT WHERE I ONCE HAD NEIGHBORS, I NOW HAVE HOTEL GUESTS ON WEEKENDS AND EMPTY HOUSES DURING THE WEEK. IS BECOMING A NEIGHBORHOOD NO LONGER DEFINED BY NEIGHBORS. AS YOU CONSIDER LICENSING FEES, YOU WILL UNDOUBTEDLY CONSIDER WHAT IT COST TO ADMINISTER SHORT-TERM RENTALS, TO PAY THE CITY STAFF TO REGISTER, ENFORCE CODES, ACCOUNT FOR STRS AND BE SURE YOUR BOTTOM LINE COMES OUT RIGHT. BUT YOU MUST ALSO CONSIDER THE INDIRECT COST, THAT STRS OPERATING IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IMPOSE ON THE RESIDENTS OF GALVESTON, THE PEOPLE YOU WORK FOR. I HEARD OVER AND OVER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM RESIDENTS FROM ALL OVER THE ISLAND THAT FEEL LIKE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR GALVESTON WAY OF LIFE ARE THREATENED BY STRS. BUT UNLIKE LARGE, WELL-FUNDED STR AND REAL ESTATE ORGANIZATIONS, [00:25:01] GALLOPS AND RESIDENTS DO NOT HAVE THE ORGANIZED LOBBYING VOICE AT CITY HALL OR AT STATE LEVEL THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS DO. BUT YOU MUST CONSIDER THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS TO LIVE IN A SAFE, AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE YOU KNOW AND TRUST YOUR NEIGHBORS WHERE NOT ONE WHERE A THIRD IS THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK OR STR BUSINESSES WITH NO FAMILIES AND NO RESIDENTS, ONLY LATE NIGHT PARTY PAYERS ON WEEKENDS LEAVING TRASH FOR OTHERS TO PICK UP. IF YOU DO NOT, YOU WILL DRIVE THESE AND OTHER POTENTIAL GALLOPS AND FAMILIES OFF THE ISLAND LOOKING FOR SAFE, AFFORDABLE, AND FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOODS ELSEWHERE. IN THE INTENSE COMPETITION AND UNREGULATED ENVIRONMENT OF STRS IN GALVESTON, BUSINESS INVESTORS AND OPERATORS CAN OFFER PRICES FOR PROPERTIES THAT PLACE THE HOUSING OUT OF REACH FOR THE AVERAGE MIDDLE-CLASS HOMEOWNERS AND ISLAND WORKFORCE RENTER DRIVING THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES OFF THE ISLAND FOR THEIR HOUSING NEEDS AND NEEDLESSLY PLACING MORE CARS ON THE HIGHWAY AS THEY COMMUTE FROM THEIR JOBS ON THE ISLAND, TO THEIR HOMES ON THE MAINLAND. THIS ARTIFICIAL PRICE INFLATION ALSO NEEDLESSLY RAISES PROPERTY TAXES FOR GALVESTON RESIDENTS. IF YOUR FAMILY IS ON THE ISLAND, IF YOU HAVE KIDS IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE LESS FUNDING FROM THE STATE. WITH ITS 350 MILLION GISD BOND ISSUE, WILL STUDENTS EVEN BE THERE FOR THAT? WE NEED TO BALANCE THE RIGHTS OF GALVESTON RESIDENTS TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CULTURE WITH THOSE OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATORS, WITH AN INFORMED, THOUGHTFUL, AND FAIR REGULATION. UNTIL THEN, WE NEED TO PLACE A MORATORIUM ON NON-OWNER OCCUPIED STRS. SHOULD THE PREFERENCES OF VACATIONERS AND STR VACATION HOTEL BUSINESSES BE PRIORITIZED OVER THE NEEDS OF THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE RESONANCE. THIS IS THE REASON FOR ZONING AND WHY IT'S BEEN A STAPLE OF CITY PLANNING FOR THE LAST 100 YEARS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOB. APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL OF THE, YES MA'AM. [INAUDIBLE]. GOOD BEFORE WE DO THOSE GINNEL, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIR. MENTION YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR. GOOD MORNING, KEITH RAYBONDS, 1607 AVENUE. ONE I WILL START WITH THANK YOU GUYS. THIS IS A VERY COMPLICATED SUBJECT AND IT'S A DIFFICULT, THERE'S A LOT OUT THERE AND A LOT FOR YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND. I JUST RECENTLY I SPENT SIX MONTHS RESEARCHING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUSINESS. WAS COMPELLED BY RETIRED OUT OF BUILDING AND REHABBING HERE. WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION WITH THE CITY. I WAS CHALLENGED BY, AND I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH BOTH YOU MAN AND UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH RON'S POSITION AND APPRECIATE WHAT THEY DO AND WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL. I WAS CHALLENGED TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS BY WHAT HE SAID. THERE ARE SOME MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR NEIGHBORS. I WAS CHALLENGED BY THE LACK OF QUALITY OF MANAGEMENT THAT THERE IS. I KNOW, 500 PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT'S ALMOST 10 PERCENT OF WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN INVENTORY I THINK MY NUMBERS ARE CORRECT. EVERY ONE OF THEM, IN SOME CASES VISCERALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT THEIR MANAGEMENT COMPANIES. I WAS CHALLENGED BY THAT. WE'VE RECENTLY GOTTEN INTO THE BUSINESS. YOU MIGHT CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING ALL OF THE DECISION, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO YOUR DECISIONS THAT YOU ARE MAKING, BUT RATINGS MANAGEMENT COMPANY RATINGS, THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND SEVERAL OTHER LARGER COMPANIES THAT COME INTO TOWN HAVE HORRIBLE RATINGS. THEY DON'T MANAGE PROPERTIES CORRECTLY. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS. I DO. PEOPLE LIKE ME DO, PEOPLE LIKE RON DO. IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. I ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT IN THIS MORATORIUM, WE SPENT A BUNCH OF TIME AND ENERGY AND MONEY. I'VE GOT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS INVESTED IN MY ENTRANCE INTO THE BUSINESS. WE WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU DECIDE TO DO A MORATORIUM THAT YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE THAN A WEEK, OR A DAY'S WORTH THE NOTICE, THAT YOU'VE JUST CONSIDER THAT AND ALLOW US TO TRY TO GET THE PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN ONBOARDING REGISTERED CORRECTLY AND PROPERLY WITH KATE TERRY, WHOSE GREAT, BY THE WAY. THAT'S MY POINT. THANK YOU. IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED SUBJECT. A 100 PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU GUYS POSITION. WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER HERE, BUT BY JUST SHUTTING THE DOOR AND NOT LETTING SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE COME IN I DON'T THINK IS, AT LEAST GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH MY REQUEST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? RON, COME FORWARD. WELL, RON VINABLE, 1610 AVENUE. I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING BUT CAN'T KEEP IT TO A TEACHER DOWN. I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT WE KNOW ALL THIS IS COMPLICATED. I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED I HAVE ALWAYS VOICE MY OPINION TO COUNSEL, NOT JUST YESTERDAY FOR YEARS, THAT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS ENFORCEMENT. [00:30:03] IT HAS NEVER BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH CITY COUNCIL, AS IN FINES, AS AN AUDIT TEAM, AS IN ANYTHING HOLDING LIENS. WE HAVE ASKED AND BEGGED IT FOR YEARS. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE FINGER IS ONLY BEING POINTED AT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE JUST LIKE THEY'RE BAD RESONANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK COUNSEL THAT WHEN YOU START POINTING FINGERS, THAT STARTING TODAY, YOU ALSO START POINTING FINGERS AT YOURSELF. YOU ARE ALSO THE BLAME FOR THIS PROBLEM JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE. I CAN GIVE YOU DATES. I CAN GIVE YOU TIMES THAT I HAVE BEEN UP HERE, THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN UP HERE. WE ALL KNOW THAT. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL THAT IT'S NOT EASY, BUT THERE HAS TO BE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN EVERYONE INVOLVED. OR IT'S GOING TO GO TO AN EXTREME EITHER WAY, AND YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. PROMISED ME. I PROMISE YOU. YOU DO NOT WANT THAT. WE WANT PROFESSIONAL STRS. WE WANT, YOU KNOW I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A DUPLEX THAT HAS BEEN AN STR SINCE 2013, THAT STR HAS NEVER HAD A POLICE CALLED EVER. I'VE HAD NEIGHBORS TO THE RIGHT DRILL AFTER ME. I CAN SHOW YOU DOCUMENTATION, THAT THE POLICE HAVE BEEN CALLED EVERY WEEKEND. THIS ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE OF TIT FOR TAT, IT NEEDS TO STOP. WE NEED TO BE HONEST. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, AND THAT IS SOMETHING I FEEL THAT COUNCIL IS NOT DOING. THE SHORT-TERM COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TRIED. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNSEL FOR YEARS, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE ONLY ONE-SIDED, WE'RE BLIND-SIDED. WE READ ON AN AGENDA, WE READ IN THE NEWSPAPER, THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. PEOPLE ARE GETTING VERY FRUSTRATED. THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S HARD. THANK ALL OF YOU. JUST PLEASE THINK. I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO PLEASE LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I'M GOING TO PLEASE LISTEN TO BRYSON FRAZIER AT THE CITY PARK BOARD, A SMART MAN, AN INFORM MAN. HE WORKS FOR THE ENTIRE CITY, NOT JUST FOR ONE. HE HAS INFORMATION. PLEASE ASK. PLEASE LISTEN THAT'S ALL I ASK THANK YOU ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU, RON. APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? HEARING NO RESPONSE. WE HAVE WRITTEN COMMENTS. NELLIE. WE HAVE TWO. THE FIRST ONE IS FROM MIKE MUELLER. IT'S STATING, "THERE HAS BEEN A GUY LIVING IN A TENT ON THE BEACH WEST OF 61ST STREET, AT THE WALMART RED LIGHT FOR OVER TWO WEEKS. IF YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW ONE, YOU MUST ALLOW EVERYONE TO BYPASS THE ORDINANCE". THE SECOND ONE IS FROM ERIC CLINE, AND IT STATES, "WHEN WILL THE CITY HAVE A CULVERT INSTALLATION MACHINE REPAIRED, OR A RENTAL UNIT AVAILABLE TO INSTALL THE MAJOR BACKLOG OF CULVERTS WAITING FOR INSTALLATION. APPARENTLY, THE CITY HAS BEEN UNABLE TO INSTALL CULVERTS FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS NOW". THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH NELLIE. APPRECIATE IT. WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 10. [10.A. Consider For Approval An Ordinance Authorizing The Issuance Of City of Galveston, Texas, Combination Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2022A; Levying A Tax In Payment Thereof; Setting Certain Parameters For the Sale of the Certificates; Approving The Preparation And Distribution Of An Official Statement; Enacting Other Provisions Relating Thereto; And Providing for the Effective Date Thereof. (B. Cook)] THESE ARE ORDINANCE THAT DO NOT REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARINGS. COULD WE HAVE 10A PLACE NELLIE? ITEM 10A CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL AND ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVIEW CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION, SERIES 2022A, LEVYING THE TAX AND PAYMENT THEREOF, SETTING CERTAIN PERIMETERS FOR THE SALE OF THE CERTIFICATES HAVE PROVEN THE PREPARATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT, ENACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATED THERE TOO, AND PROVIDING FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATE THEREOF. VERY GOOD. BRANDON, GOOD MORNING TO YOU. THE FIRST MEETING OF AUGUST WE WORKSHOPPED. I DON'T THINK YOUR MIC IS ON. [LAUGHTER] >> GO AHEAD, BRANDON. >> DURING THE COUNCIL'S FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, WE WORKSHOPPED THE VARIOUS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THE SALE OF THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. AT THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST, WE PASSED THE NOTICE OF INTENT TO ISSUE THE CERTIFICATES, AND TODAY WE'RE ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO GO OUT AND AFFECT THE SALE OF THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. IT WILL TAKE SIX VOTES FROM THE COUNCIL. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR, RYAN O'HARA, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE, [00:35:01] AND ALSO OUR BOND COUNSEL BARRON WALLACE, HERE IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, BRANDON. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, RYAN O'HARA WITH HUNTINGTON CAPITAL MARKETS. BRANDON, OUTLINED THE TIMELINE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY IS A PERIMETER ORDER THAT ALLOWS US TO GO FORWARD WITH THE SALE. THIS IS A NEGOTIATED SALE. THERE'S THREE TYPES OF SALES. THERE'S A PRIVATE PLACEMENT, COMPETITIVE AND NEGOTIATED SALE. THIS WILL BE A NEGOTIATED SALE. THE BEAUTY OF A NEGOTIATED SALE ALLOWS US FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE THE PRICING DATE. IT'S BEEN A VERY VOLATILE WEEK IN THE MARKET, SO NEGOTIATED SALES ARE THE THE WAY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. GALVESTON ISD, FEW WEEKS BACK, DID THEIR SALE NEGOTIATED, AND IT ALLOWS YOU FLEXIBILITY NOT SO MUCH PICK GOOD DAYS IN THE MARKET, BUT AVOID BAD DAYS. WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL ON THAT TODAY. BARRON WALLACE IS HERE, WHERE YOU'RE CAPABLE BOND COUNCIL FOR THE CITY. HE ACTUALLY PREPARED THAT PARAMETER ORDER. HE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FINANCIAL QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL TURN THE LEGAL QUESTIONS OVER TO BARRON. WE'RE LOOKING TO PRICE THESE BONDS TENTATIVELY ON OCTOBER THE 4TH, AND WE WOULD CLOSE HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF OCTOBER, POTENTIALLY, MAYBE EARLY NOVEMBER. WE HAVE OUR RATINGS CALLS NEXT WEEK WITH MOODY'S AND FITCH ON TUESDAY THE 20TH. RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY RATED DOUBLE AA3 WITH MOODY'S AND AA WITH FITCH. THAT'S A VERY GOOD RATINGS FOR A FEW NOTCHES AWAY FROM AAA. WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME GOOD NEWS ON THE UPGRADE SIDE THERE, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OF A FINANCIAL NATURE, AND AGAIN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO BARRON, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS. >> BEFORE WE MOVE TO MR. WALLACE, COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. O'HARA AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING. BARRON, HOW ARE YOU, SIR? >> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. FIRST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M GLAD TO BE BACK. IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN AT COUNCIL, SO IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD TO THIS OTHER THAN TO SAY THIS IS A PARAMETER SALE. THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF CEOS OF 65 MILLION. IT ESTABLISHES A FIVE PERCENT INTEREST RATE. I DON'T THINK WE EXPECT TO HIT THAT, BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT TO RYAN. BUT IT DOES SET THESE PARAMETERS SO THAT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE MARKET, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN ISSUE AND WHAT YOU CAN'T DO. YOU'VE DONE THE NECESSARY NOTICES, SO NOW ALL WE NEED IS A VOTE FOR THE ORDINANCES AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATED SALE, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? YES, SIR. >> IS THIS A FIXED RATE, OR YOU WERE MENTIONING FIVE PERCENT WHAT'S THE RATE GOING INTO IT? >> I'LL LET RYAN ADDRESS THIS AS WELL, BUT THAT ESTABLISHES THE HIGHEST RATE OVERALL THAT EACH MATURITY CAN HAVE ON THE BOND, SO IT'LL BE SET UP AS A SERIAL MATURITIES OVER MAYBE 2025 YEARS, AND THAT'S THE HIGHEST MAX RATE THAT YOU CAN. RYAN? >> IN OUR PRELIMINARY NUMBER RUNS BACK IN JULY, WE ESTIMATED 4.5 PERCENT. WE'RE BELOW THAT. WE RAN SOME NUMBERS THIS WEEK. AGAIN, IT'S A VERY VOLATILE WEEK IN THE MARKET, BUT WE'RE AT A 4.385. THAT'S THE ALL COSTS THROUGH INTEREST RATE THAT FACTORS IN ALL THE TRANSACTION EXPENSES SO 4.385 IN THE CURRENT MARKET. WE'RE HOPING FOR SOME BETTER ECONOMIC NEWS AS TIME GOES ON HERE. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. O'HARA? MR. WALLACE, COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP IN JUST A SECOND, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ITEM 10A. YOU SECOND IT, MARY? >> IF YOU DO YOUR MOTION. [LAUGHTER] >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND FOR THAT. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? >> I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I JUST LIKE THAT MAXWELL WOULD CLEAR UP FOR US AND MAY BE, PROBABLY MR. COOK. SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INCREASED COST OF THIS FROM THE CIP AND THE NECESSITY FOR THESE THINGS, IF YOU WOULD ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS, I'LL APPRECIATE IT. >> A LOT OF COSTS HAVE GONE UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, OBVIOUSLY WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, INFLATIONARY PRESSURES, EVERYTHING STEMMING FROM COVID. A LOT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE HERE HAVE REALIZED AN INCREASE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. BUT THE CURRENT ONES ARE ESTIMATES THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED BY THE ENGINEERS, AND THE ONLY TRUE TEST IS TO GO OUT TO THE MARKET AND BID THESE PROJECTS, AND THEN WE'LL REALIZE WHAT THE ACTUAL COST ARE AT THAT POINT. TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO VALUE ENGINEER NEGOTIATE WITH THE CONTRACTORS OR WHATNOT. BUT IT'S JUST LIKE PRICING THESE BONDS. TODAY IS ONE PRICE, TOMORROW IT'S ANOTHER PRICE. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE MARKET. [00:40:01] >> RIGHT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT IS THE WASTEWATER AT PIRATES AND THE OTHER IS THE WATER TANK? [OVERLAPPING] THOSE ARE THE TWO ARE IN QUESTION. I'LL ADD MAY BE MORE TO THIS THEN, JUST THOSE TWO PROJECTS, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO I WAS QUIZZED ABOUT. >> YES, SIR. LIKE I SAID, THOSE ARE ESTIMATES AT THIS POINT. THEY'RE ALL REPLACEMENT PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. THERE'S ARGUABLY ONE, TERA MAR MIGHT BE THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU COULD EVEN SAY IS FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT BECAUSE OF ALL THE INI ISSUES THAT WE FOUND HERE RECENTLY, AND WE'VE GOT OURSELVES BACK INTO COMPLIANCE BY REHAB AND MANHOLES AND EVERYTHING WITH THE RPA FUNDS THAT WE'VE BEEN USING OUT THERE. REALLY IT'S MORE OF A MAINTENANCE ISSUE ON THE TERA MAR AS WELL, BUT ALL THE REST OF THEM ARE REALLY REPAIR REHAB PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, BRANDON. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. I THINK ALL OF YOU HAVE, BUT JUST A FEW OF US. THAT ISSUE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 10 B1. PLEASE, NELLY. [10.B.1. Consider For Approval An Ordinance Of The City Of Galveston, Texas, Amending Chapter 33-95 “Advisory Board” Of The Code Of The City Of Galveston, 1982 As Amended, By Increasing The Funding Available To The Cultural Arts Commission; And Providing For Ease Of Review Of The Criteria And Selection Procedures For Contributions Of Hotel Occupancy Tax To Arts And Historical Preservation By Including The Same In Section 33-95; Making Various Findings And Provisions Related To The Subject And Providing For An Effective Date.(Legal)] >> ITEM 10 B1. CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS, AMENDING CHAPTER 33 DASH 94, ADVISORY BOARD OF THE CODE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, 1982 AS AMENDED, BY INCREASING THE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND PROVIDING FOR EASE OF REVENUE OF THE CRITERIA AND SELECTION PROCEDURES FOR CONTRIBUTIONS OF HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX TO ARTS AND HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BY INCLUDING THE SAME IN SECTION 33 DASH 95, MAKING VARIOUS FINDINGS AND PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> DONNA, GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. BEFORE YOU START. DONNA, AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS ITEM 10 B1, COULD YOU OUTLINE FOR COUNCIL HOW THAT DIFFERS FROM 10 B2? >> I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 10 B1, [BACKGROUND] >> IS SHE ON THAT. >> YES. >> NELLY, [OVERLAPPING] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> NO, I APPRECIATE ON YOUR THINKING. >> YOU GOT TO PUSH THE THINGY IN THE WATCH MARK SO THE THING ON THE BULB COMES ON. >> YES. >> YEAH. >> I GOT THE THING. [LAUGHTER] I PUSHED THE THINGY. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL. 10 B1 AND 10 B2 DO RUN IN CONJUNCTION. AT LAST WEEK'S CITY COUNCIL, THERE WAS AN ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE THE RESOLUTION, I BELIEVE, TO INCREASE THE FUNDING TO THE ARTS AND HISTORIC MISSION IN REDUCING THE INCREASE WE DISCOVERED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE THAT THERE WERE TWO SECTIONS THAT ALSO NEEDED TO BE AMENDED TO REFLECT THE INCREASE. ALSO IN 10 B1 IT REFLECTS THAT THE CRITERIA FOR THE ELIGIBILITY AND SELECTION FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THEY ARE ACTUALLY FOUND IN AN EDITOR'S NOTE WHICH HAD A LINK. WE FOUND THAT THAT WAS A LITTLE TOO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO TRY AND NAVIGATE, SO THE ORDINANCE IS DEFINITELY LONGER BECAUSE IT HAS INCORPORATED ALL THAT ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND SELECTION CRITERIA INTO THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE. WHEN SOMEBODY LOOKS AT IT, ALL THE INFORMATION IS THERE, SO THAT'S 10 B1. 10 B2 IS ANOTHER IN SYNC. IT JUST REFLECTS IN CHAPTER 2 THE INCREASE FROM THE $50,000 AMOUNT TO THE $100,000 AMOUNT. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR LEGALS? VERY GOOD. WE HAVE BEFORE US 10 B1. DAVID, I SEE YOUR HEAD UP. >> I WAS SIMPLY GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 10 B1. >> OKAY. WE HAVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY COUNCILMAN COLLINS, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN LOUIS. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT COUNCIL, PLEASE? YES, DAVID. >> WAITING FOR PUSH. COUNCILMAN LOUIS TO PUSH THAT SECOND BUTTON. THERE WE GO. GOT IT. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. >> [BACKGROUND]. >> THAT IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. THANK YOU. ITEM 10 B2. PLEASE, NELLY. [10.B.2. Consider For Approval An Ordinance Of The City Council Of The City Of Galveston, Texas, Amending Chapter 2, “Administration”, Article Iv “Boards, Commissions, And Committees”, Division 3, “Galveston Cultural Arts Commission”, Of “The Code Of The City Of Galveston, 1982, As Amended”; Increasing Its Budget And Expenditures To $100,000; Providing For Findings Of Fact And Providing For An Effective Date. (Legal)] >> ITEM 10 B2. CONSIDER FOR APPROVAL AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS AMENDING CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION ARTICLE 4. BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES, DIVISION 3, GALVESTON CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION OF A CODE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, 1982 AS AMENDED, INCREASING ITS BUDGET AND EXPENDITURES TO $100,000 PROVIDING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> VERY GOOD. DONNA, ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY? I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY OUTLINED THIS. >> AS PREVIOUSLY STATED IS JUST A SYNC UP THE NUMBERS. >> VERY GOOD. GO AHEAD, DAVID. >> I'M MOVING APPROVAL OF 10 B2. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. [00:45:01] >> WE HAVE THE SAME MOTION MAKER IN SECONDS ON 10 B2S, WE ADD ON 10 B1 AND ANY DISCUSSION FURTHER, COUNCIL? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON THAT. >> [BACKGROUND] >> THAT IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED AND CONGRATULATIONS AS A CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION INTO THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD ON THAT. VERY GOOD. WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 11 NOW. PLEASE, NELLY. [11. CONSENT ITEMS - The following items shall be considered for action as a whole, unless one or more Council Members objects. The City Manager is authorized to execute all necessary documents upon final approval by the City Attorney.] >> ITEM 11, CONSENT ITEMS. THE FOLLOWING ITEMS SHALL BE CONSIDERED FOR ACTION AS A WHOLE AND AS ONE OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS SUBJECTS, THE CITY MANAGER IS AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS UPON FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. CONSENT ITEMS 11 A THROUGH 11C ARE ON THE SCREEN. >> VERY GOOD. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO PULL OUT AND ADDRESS INDIVIDUALLY? HEARING NO RESPONSE, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF ITEMS 11 A, B AND C IN OUR CONSENT AGENDA IN JUST A SECOND. WE'RE GETTING THERE. >> I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT ON ITEM 11A. >> WILLIAM, YOU WERE SECOND ON THAT? >> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. GO RIGHT AHEAD, DAVID. >> I JUST WANT TO TELL EVERYONE THAT THE COOPERATION BETWEEN THE CITY AUDITOR AND THE PARK BOARD TO DO THE ALL TAX AUDITS HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. VERY HAPPY WE STARTED THIS PROCESS. >> VERY MUCH SO. VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT ITEM? IF NOT, PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES. >> SORRY. >> THAT IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. BEFORE WE MOVE INTO OUR ACTION ITEMS AND OUR APPOINTMENTS TO OUR BOARDS COMMISSIONING COMMITTEES, IT IS 10: 45, HOW LONG DO YOU NEED? [BACKGROUND] 15 MINUTES? LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTES BREAK, THIS ALLOWS COUNCIL TO DO THEIR RANKINGS, AND RETURN THESE INTO THE CITY SECRETARY. WE WILL RECONVENE AT 11 EXCUSE ME, AT 10:00 A.M, FOR ACTION ITEMS AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >> I SAY THE BEST SCORE. >> VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR PATIENTS. WE HAD TO SEND OUR CALCULATIONS TO PRICE WATER HOUSE. [LAUGHTER] WE'VE GOT THESE NELLY, THANK YOU, YOU AND DONNA FOR CALCULATING AND DOING ALL THIS. [12.A. Discuss and Consider a recommendation for settlement of city lien on Lots 518, 521, 522 and 525 of Section 1 of the Trimble and Lindsey Survey for a total $75,000 out of $118,654.22. (Legal)] WE'RE ON ITEM 12. COULD WE MOVE, PLEASE, NELLY, TO ITEM 12A PLEASE? >> ITEM 12A, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FOR SETTLEMENT OF CITY LEAN ON LOTS 518, 521, 522, AND 525, OF SECTION 1 OF THE TRIMBLE AND LINDSEY SURVEY. FOR A TOTAL OF 75,000 OUT OF $118,654.22. >> VERY GOOD. DONNA? >> YES. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE MEMO FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, DON GLOSSP. THIS IS IN REGARD TO A REQUEST TO LOWER CITRULLINE THAT I BELIEVE WAS ENACTED FROM 1979. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE FEES HAVE ACCRUED OVER THAT TIME. THERE HAVE BEEN SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT IS $75,000. WE'RE PRESENTING IT TO CITY COUNCIL, AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY TO BUY CHARTER TO REDUCE LIENS BASED UPON THE OPINION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I BRING THAT'S TO YOUR ATTENTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS TO BE RECEIVED BY THE CITY, NOT PAID WITH THE CITY. I'M I RIGHT? >> YES. >> YEAH. THIS IS MONEY THE CITY WILL RECEIVE. WELL, ISN'T QUITE SAY THAT. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] >> ABSOLUTELY. >> BE SURE. >> MAYOR? >> YES, MA'AM. >> I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE, AND I'D LIKE TO APPLAUD OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT WHEN THE BUYER OF THE PROPERTY OFFERED 5,000, AND THEY GOT HIM UP TO 75,000, I'D SAY THAT'S ONE HECK OF A JOB. >> IF YOU READ THE BACKGROUND INTO THIS AS IT WAS QUITE A NICE SEDIMENT. THANK YOU. YEAH. [BACKGROUND] WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COUNCILWOMAN ROB. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? WE HAVE SECOND BY COUNCILMAN COLLINS. VERY GOOD. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES COUNCIL. [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] THAT IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. [12.B. Discuss and consider appointments to the following City boards, commissions, and committees: Animal Services Advisory Board Arts & Historic Preservation Advisory Board Building Board of Adjustments and Appeals Cultural Arts Commission Ethics Commission Finance, Fiscal Affairs and Investment Committee Galveston Wharves Board Landmark Commission Parks & Recreation Advisory Board Planning Commission Tree Committee Zoning Board of Adjustments] [00:50:06] ITEM 12B PLEASE. >> ITEM 12B. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE FOLLOWING CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES. >> VERY GOOD. COUNCIL TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IN A LITTLE MORE HOPEFULLY ORGANIZED WAY. IF COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THIS, I'M FIRST OF ALL, ON ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF ALL THE REAPPOINTMENT OTHER THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SINCE IT'S A RANKING BOARD THAT WE RANKED. BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE RE APPOINTMENTS TO ALL OF THESE COMMITTEES, BUT FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION [OVERLAPPING] AND THE WARS BOARD. WELL, THERE'S NOT REAPPOINTMENT FOR THE WAR'S BOARD [OVERLAPPING]. YEAH. WARS BOARD AND PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE SECOND WILL BE SEPARATE. EXCUSE ME, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? >> I SO MOVE. [BACKGROUND] >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF ALL OF THE APPOINTMENTS, BUT FOR EXCUSE ME. [OVERLAPPING] NOW THAT'S RIGHT. >> I HAVE A DISCUSSION. >> YES, MA'AM. >> I KNOW WE HAD A TIME OF TWO YEARS WHERE A LOT OF BOARDS DIDN'T MEET, AND NOW IT'S NOT THE CASE ON WHAT WE'RE VOTING, BUT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO BRING IT UP. PEOPLE WHO BECAUSE OF THE CITY DECISION WHEN THEY DIDN'T MEET, ARE NOW TERMING OUT ON THEIR APPOINTMENTS. ONE WOULD BE THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD. I JUST THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T MET SINCE 2016 BY NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN A FUTURE MEETING. >> THANK YOU. VERY GOOD IDEA. ALL RIGHT, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE APPROVAL OF ALL THE REAPPOINTMENT OF THE BOARDS LISTED IN ITEM 12B, BUT FOR PLANNING COMMISSION IN WARS BOARD. >> NELLY, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF THOSE RE-APPOINTMENTS? >> WE WERE SENT THAT YES. [OVERLAPPING] >> IF WE COULD READ THAT JUST TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. IF IT'S MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST READING A LIST OF B. >> THIS IS THE LIST THAT JANELL HAD SENT JOEL. >> YEAH. >> YEAH, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT PRINTED. IF IT DOESN'T SHOW VACANT OR TERM-LIMITED ON HERE, THEN THOSE WOULD BE RE-APPOINTMENTS? >> CORRECT. >> DO WE WANT TO READ THESE INTO THE RECORD? DO WE JUST MOVE FORWARD? >> ON IT, DO WE NEED TO READ THEM INTO THE RECORD? >> NO. >> WE DO NOT. >> WRITE THE LENGTHY LIST. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU, NELLY. >> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THIS IS A MANUAL VOTE, THAT IS UNANIMOUS. NOW, LET'S START TO ADDRESS OUR VACANCIES A TERM LIMITED POSITIONS. ANIMAL SERVICES BOARD WERE ALL REAPPOINTMENT ARTS IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES THERE. >> MY I ADDRESSED THAT MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS ONCE AGAIN. I'M CONVINCED THAT THIS FALL WE JUST INCREASED THE FUNDING TO THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. THIS FALL, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE STRUCTURE THESE COMMITTEES AND HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED. BECAUSE ART IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND CULTURAL ARTS ARE FUNDED FROM THE SAME SMALL SILO. I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER SOME FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES IN HOW WE GO ABOUT THIS. THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION, I THINK FOR A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE YEAR WE'VE BEEN WRAPPED UP IN BUDGET AND SO FORTH. I WOULD ASK THAT WE WERE DEFER APPOINTMENTS TO THIS COMMITTEE. >> THAT'S MOTION YOU'RE MAKING? >> I WOULD SO MOVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? [OVERLAPPING] MARIA HAS SECONDED THAT DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO EXPAND ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. THIS BOARD DOESN'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY. >> THAT, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO YEARS FUNDING CYCLE AND WOULDN'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY ANYWAY, JUST TO START THIS PROCESS FOR 23. >> YOUR THOUGHT, DAVID, IS TO BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THAT. [00:55:01] >> PRIOR TO THAT TIME FOR HIM AIRWAY. >> SO WE HAVE VACANCIES CURRENTLY. >> I BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE VACANCIES AND I DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO PUT FORWARD. I DON'T DOUBT THAT WE HAVE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES OUT THERE. >> TILL JANUARY TO FUND MAYBE SOMEBODY DO THAT. >> WE SHOULD DEAL WITH IT THIS FALL. >> OKAY. >> THEY CAN BEGIN THERE IN JANUARY. >> I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE FOUR APPLICATIONS FOR ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. I WAS EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH THE CREDENTIALS OF ALL FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS. WE'VE GOT SOME VERY GOOD APPLICANTS FOR THIS BOARD, BUT WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN COLLINS FOR DEFERRING THIS. DO YOU WANT TO SET A DATE FOR THAT DAVID? >> I WOULD SAY LET'S TALK ABOUT IT NOT LATER THAN DECEMBER BOARD. BUT PERHAPS WE CAN GET IT ON THERE QUICKER THAN THAT. >> DOES THAT MEET YOUR APPROVAL, MARIE? >> SURE. >> VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE MANUALLY ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. WE WILL DEFER OUR APPOINTMENTS UNTIL LATER THIS YEAR FOR THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS. WE HAVE FOUR TERM LIMITED POSITIONS THERE. I WAS TOLD NELLY I DON T KNOW IF JANELLE SHARED WITH YOU THAT THERE WERE CANDIDATES THAT I THINK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD RECOMMENDED FOR THIS. DID SHE LIVED THOSE WITH YOU? >> NO. >> I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND TO DEFER THIS UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> AND COUNCILWOMAN ROB HAS SECONDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION OR ONLY A REAPPOINTMENT. WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF THAT ETHICS COMMISSION. WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES. THESE ARE ALLOCATED TO DISTRICT FIVE AND SIX. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO DEFER. >> ALRIGHT. FOR BOTH OF THOSE? >> YEAH. >> ALRIGHT. DEFERRING THE ETHICS COMMISSION ON BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS DEFERRAL. JOHN PAUL, YOU SECOND THERE. >> RIGHT. >> VERY GOOD. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THOSE ARE DEFERRED THEN. FINANCE, FISCAL AFFAIRS AND INVESTMENT COMMITTEE. THOSE WERE THAT WAS REAPPOINTED POSITION. WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THAT GALVESTON WARDS BOARD. I'M GOING TO READ THE RANKINGS. I'M GOING TO NOMINATE, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO OPEN POSITIONS AT THE GALVESTON WARDS BOARD ACCORDING TO OUR RANKINGS. THE FIRST NOMINEE WILL BE WILLIE GONZALEZ. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? >> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND ON WILLIE GONZALEZ. ANY DISCUSSION BOARD? YES. BRILLIANT. >> JUST WANT TO THANK ALL THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS. IT WAS A TOUGH JOB, SPENT MANY HOURS UP AND GOING OVER INTERVIEWS AND WHAT-NOT. I WISH THERE WAS ENOUGH SPOTS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS LIST, SO I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> VERY GOOD. I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT TO ON THESE APPOINTMENTS. WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THAT DRAWS A LOT OF ATTENTION AND A LOT OF PHONE CALLS. FOR SOME REASON, THIS DWARVES BOARD APPOINTMENTS, WE WERE FLOODED WITH INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THIS AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT, GREATLY APPRECIATE THE APPLICANTS FOR APPLYING. WE HAVE WILLIE GONZALEZ, MOTION IN SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. SECOND NOMINEE FOR THE POSITION AT THE WARS BOARD, ACCORDING TO OUR RANKINGS, IS JIM YARBOROUGH. I NOMINATE, JIM YARBOROUGH. IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. >> I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT. ANY DISCUSSION ON MR. YARBOROUGH? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR THAT IS SIX IN FAVOR. ALL THOSE AGAINST. NO ONE AGAINST. CONGRATULATIONS TO MR. GONZALEZ INTO MR. YARBOROUGH BEING APPOINTED TO THE WARDS BOARD. VERY GOOD. AND LET'S MOVE NOW IF WE COULD TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, WE HAVE ONE TERM LIMIT POSITION AND TO REAPPOINTMENT. IS THAT RIGHT, DAVID? >> NO, I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO-TERM LIMITS AND ONE VACANCY, [01:00:02] ONE MEMBER, ONE COMMISSIONER RESIGNED. AM I INCORRECT ABOUT THAT NELLIE ISN'T JANE? IS MS. SWANSON THE TERM LIMITED? >> THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. >> MS. WATSON AND MRS. MCLEAN ARE BOTH DETERMINED LIMITED TO MR. WARD HAD RESIGNED, SO WE HAVE THREE OPENINGS ON THIS. >> JANELLE CAME TO ME YESTERDAY AND MENTIONED. >> CAN WE DEFER THE OTHER APPOINTMENTS? >> WHY? >> DO WE HAVE THE APPLICATION? >> WE DO. >> I DON'T SEE JANE SWANSON THIS TERM LIMITS, BUT MAYBE. >> ON THE LIST SHE'S NOT TERM LIMITED. >> I'M SORRY. >> ON THE LIST SHE'S NOT TERM LIMITED. JANE SWANSON. >> I'M REAL SURE ON THE LIST I HAD, SHE WAS WHY WE WERE SEEKING THREE. >> I THINK [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'M LOOKING ONE LISTED YOU ALL SENT ME AND IT SAYS TERM LIMIT. >> JANELLE CAME TO ME. I HAD IT DOWN AS TO TERM LIMITS AND TO REAPPOINTMENT SINCE WE DO. >> BUT WE DO HAVE A RESIGNATION IN ADDITION. >> RIGHT. >> LET'S GET THIS SORTED OUT BEFORE WE MAKE THESE APPOINTMENTS. IF WE DON'T MIND. >> WE'LL CONFIRM. BUT I KNOW JAMES WATSON HASN'T BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR SIX YEARS. >> YEAH. >> IT'S NOT TERM-LIMITED. >> LET'S CLARIFY THIS. MAKE I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THE LANDMARK UNTIL WE CLARIFY ALL OF THAT. >> EXACTLY. >> I WOULD SAY. >> SECOND THEN. VERY GOOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE ONE REAPPOINTMENT AND ONE VACANCY ON THAT. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. I WANTED TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON THIS. WE HAVE A REAPPOINTMENT AND A VACANCY. WE HAVE OUR RANKING SYSTEM. THE REAPPOINTMENT. I WAS GOING TO TAKE IT IN NUMERICAL ORDER WHERE THE RANKING SYSTEM WOULD ADDRESS THE REAPPOINTMENT FIRST AND THEN THE VACANCY. BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THAT. IS THERE ANYONE ON COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO DO THAT? >> SAY IT AGAIN. YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH THE REAPPOINTMENT AND THEN THE VACANCY? >> YES, SIR. OUR TOP-RANKED CANDIDATE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MARY JANE LANCE. I NOMINATE HER. >> THANK YOU. >> FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT. >> IT'S NOT A REAPPOINTMENT. >> WELL, SHE'S FALLING INTO THAT POSITION. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. >> NO [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'M SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. MARY JANE'S LANCE WILL THEN BE NOMINATED FOR THE VACANT POSITION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ANY DECISIONS ON THAT? ANY DISCUSSION? PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE THEN FOR THE REAPPOINTMENT. THANK YOU, DAVID. I'M REAL JOHN EDWARDS. IS THE REAPPOINTMENT NOMINATING HER FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >> YOU CAN HAVE IT. [LAUGHTER] >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN LOUIS. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR IN FAVOR OF HIS SAID WHAT SHE IS REAPPOINTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND WE HAVE 1,2,3 AGAINST. I ASSUME. VERY GOOD. MOVING THROUGH THAT, WE HAVE THE TREE COMMITTEE, THOSE WERE REAPPOINTMENT. WE'VE SATISFIED THAT AND ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> NOT PICK UP THE VA. [LAUGHTER] >> WE HAVE ROOT ONE REAPPOINTMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SATISFIED AND WE HAVE ONE TERM LIMIT ON THAT, SO WE HAVE A POSITION ANY NOMINEES FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT? >> CAN I MOVE THAT? WE DEFER THIS AS WELL? >> NOW A DEFERRAL FOR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION. >> THAT'S A TOUGH ONE TO FILL BECAUSE IT'S BUILDING BOARD THAT HAS THE REQUIREMENTS, IT'S NOT ZONING. >> BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS IS THE BOARD WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS. >> RIGHT. >> WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT THAT DEFERRAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING CODE REVISIONS RIGHT NOW. AND TYPICALLY THE CODE REVISIONS GO TO THAT BOARD. >> TO BBA OR ZBAA. >> IT'S THE BBAA. >> RIGHT. >> FOR THEIR REVIEW AS WELL. AND THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, NOT UNTIL OCTOBER. [01:05:03] >> TWENTY-SEVENTH. >> BUT DO WE HAVE VACANCIES ON BUILDING BOARD BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING NOW. WE HAVE VACANCIES. >> WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES ON BUILDING BOARD WHICH TERM LIMITS, AND WE'VE GOT ONE VACANCY ON ZBA. >> BUT WE DON'T. >> THE ZBAA DOES NOT HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, SERVE ON THAT. >> SO WE COULD DEFER THAT EASILY. BUT BUILDING BOARD, DO WE HAVE APPLICANT, SO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT APPLICANTS. >> WE DO HAVE APPLICANT. >> WE DO HAVE WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN ABOUT. >> CAN WE GET THEM I THINK LAST WEEK? >> YEAH. >> [INAUDIBLE] MAN JAMES. >> THEY FIT INTO SLOTS I THINK ON THAT BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. AND JANELLE HAD CHECKED THOSE YESTERDAY AND SHE SAID THERE WERE THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT MEET THAT CRITERIA AND THEY'RE WANTING TO SERVE ON THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO THOSE ARE. >> JOHN JUST READ THEM. >> MICHAEL GARTNER, RAYMOND MANN, JAMES WIESNER. >> THOSE ARE THE THREE. WE CAN NOMINATE THOSE THEN FOR NOMINATION FOR THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. WE'RE FILLING THREE TERM-LIMITED SPOTS. WE HAVE ONE TERM LIMIT OPEN SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN ROB. ANY DISCUSSION? >> WE'RE FILLING THE THREE OPEN SLOTS? >> THAT IS CORRECT. WELL, WE HAVE FOUR OPEN SLOTS. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE THAT WE WEREN'T SURE. >> JOHN, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU JUST READ, ARE THOSE REAPPOINTMENTS OR ARE THOSE NEW APPOINTEES? >> WELL, ON MY LIST HERE THERE'S THREE TERM-LIMITED SPOTS. ERNIE WELL THEN LOOKS LIKE HE CAN BE REAPPOINTED. >> I THINK WE TOOK CARE OF THAT AND THEN THE BLANKET REAPPOINTMENT. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S [OVERLAPPING]. >> FOUR SPOTS THAT ARE TURNED ON. >> THERE'S FOUR TERM-LIMITED SPOTS ON BUILDING BOARD. WE HAVE DEFERRED THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST WE CONTINUE THAT DEFERRAL, WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THAT. >> SHE'S ADVISED [OVERLAPPING]. >> BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY FILL THESE SPOTS. >> THERE'S TWO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T APPOINT THESE THREE TODAY. >> THESE ARE THREE NEW NOMINATIONS? >> RIGHT. >> THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. I PREFER TO DO THAT TODAY BECAUSE WE NEED. >> THEY FIT THE REQUIREMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT. DONNA, WE HAVE HAD A VOTE TO DEFER THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? THE COUNCIL. >> PUT A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THAT AND WE CAN RECONSIDER IT OPEN IT BACK UP AND MAKE THAT NOMINATIONS OR MAKE THOSE NOMINATIONS. >> OKAY. I ALSO MOVE. >> WE ALREADY MADE THE NOMINATIONS, DO WE HAVE TO REMAKE THEM? >> YES. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT MICHAEL GARTNER, JAMES MANN, AND JAMES WIESNER TO THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS. >> I SECOND. >> [LAUGHTER] FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. >> I MADE SUCH A MOTION. >> I SECOND IT. >> SECOND IT. LET'S VOTE ON THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? NOW, LET'S HAVE A MOTION FOR THE BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MICHAEL GARTNER, RAYMOND MANN, AND JAMES WIESNER. >> I SECOND. >> TO THE BBA. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND THEN A SECOND. THIS IS FILLING THREE OF THE FOUR TERM-LIMITED SPOTS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> VERY GOOD. >> I NEVER REGISTERED THAT WE DEFER THIS ONE TO BEGIN WITH BUT HERE WE ARE. WE HAVE THESE NOMINATIONS ON THE TABLE. >> LET'S VOTE. >> [LAUGHTER] LET'S VOTE ON THIS. VERY GOOD. COUNCIL, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? DAVID? >> NO. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES MA'AM. >> WHAT POSITION WOULD BE FUTURE? >> THAT IS STILL OPEN. >> OKAY >> THAT IS STILL OPEN. >> WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT ON THAT FOURTH ONE? >> WELL, I'M ASSUMING COUNCIL MUSTWOSKI HAS THE BACKGROUND. I WOULD ASSUME GARTNER IS THE ARCHITECT. I MEAN, EACH POSITION HAS A SPECIFIC [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. >> BUT WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU AFTER THE MEETING AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY FALL IN THAT. >> IF YOU COULD JUST BRING US BACK THE OPEN POSITION AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THAT OPEN POSITION. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT'D BE GREAT. >> I DID GET CONFIRMATION FROM CATHERINE GORMAN REGARDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHO IS TERM-LIMITED AND WHO IS NOT. >> YOU MEAN LANDMARK. >> LANDMARK. SORRY CATHERINE. >> ALL THESE COMMISSIONS? >> YES. >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, [01:10:02] LET'S PUT THIS TO BED. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE APPROVAL OF THREE INDIVIDUALS FOR THREE OF THE FOUR TERM-LIMITED POSITIONS ON BUILDING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTES ON THAT. THAT IS APPROVED. VERY GOOD. NOW, LET'S MOVE BACK. DO WE WANT TO RECONSIDER THE LANDMARK COMMISSION? >> I MOVE WE RECONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RECONSIDERING LANDMARK POSITIONS. MARIE, JOHN, YOU'RE VOTING IN FAVOR. >> LOOKING. HE IS [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, JUST TO RECONSIDER MARIE. >> IT'S JUST RECONSIDER RIGHT NOW IS MARIE. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. NOW, WE HAVE A MOTION. LET'S FIRST OF ALL CLARIFY WHAT'S OPEN AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. >> PLEASE. >> JAMES SWANSON IS NOT TERM-LIMITED. >> WHAT POSITION DOES SHE HOLD CURRENTLY? >> CATHERINE DID NOT TELL ME HER [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK SHE'S POSITION FOUR BUT I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. >> SO SHE TOO. OKAY, THANK YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE] IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. MY APOLOGIES. >> HE IS POSITION 2. >> DOUG MCLEAN TERMINAL LIMITED, THAT'S FOUR. >> CLYDE WOOD RESIGNED. HE'S NOT ON THE LIST. >> NOT HIM ON THE LIST. >> NOT HIM ON THE LIST. SO THERE ARE TWO OPEN POSITIONS. >> ON LANDMARK. >> YEAH. >> WE'VE ALREADY FILLED THE REAPPOINTMENTS. >> THAT WOULD BE MS. SWANSON, YES. >> WE HAVE TWO OPEN POSITIONS. I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE ON THAT BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE THIS GETS COMPLEX SOMETIMES WHEN WE'RE DOING LANDMARK. WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATES ON LANDMARK AND IT'S BEEN TRADITION TO MOVE THOSE UP TO THE POSITION. I WOULD NOMINATE MILTON ALBERT STAFFER POSITION 4, TURNER CURSER TO FILL POSITION 7 WHICH WOULD LEAVE US TWO ALTERNATES BUT THAT WOULD MOVE THEM UP TO THE BOARD PROPER. >>> I WOULD CONCUR. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I WOULD SECOND THAT. >> VERY GOOD. TWO QUESTION. THE ALTERNATE POSITIONS TELL ME ABOUT THOSE IF WE'RE MOVING THEM UP NOW. >> WELL, THEY'D BECOME FULL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. >> CORRECT. BUT DO WE NEED TO FILL THOSE ALTERNATE POSITIONS? >> WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATE POSITIONS. [OVERLAPPING] WE DO INDEED. WE HAVE FOUR APPLICANTS, MATTER OF FACT, FOR THE BOARD. >> WELL, DO YOU HAVE SUGGESTED? >> I DO INDEED, I WAS JUST TAKING THEM IN THE ORDER THEY WERE APPLIED. BUT THEY ARE NANCY BUDDY, CHRISTIAN BOURGEOIS, JULIE BAKER, AND MIKE MILLER, OR MIKE MILLER AND CHRISTINA AND JULIE REBECCA IN THE ORDER THEY APPLIED. I WOULD MOVE TO APPOINT NANCY BUDDY TO ALTERNATE 1 AND CHRISTIAN BOURGEOIS ALTERNATE 2 IF ANYONE HAS ANY. >> IN ADDITION TO THEIR OTHER NOMINATIONS? >> WELL, DID WE NOT ALREADY VOTE? >> NO SIR. >> WE HAVEN'T, MY APOLOGIES AGAIN. I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF ONE MORE TIME. WE NEED TO VOTE ON ALBERT [INAUDIBLE] MOVING INTO THE BOARD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR FILLING THE MOVEMENT OF THE TWO ALTERNATES TO FILL THE VACANCIES THAT ARE ON THE LANDMARK COMMISSION. >> CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT IS UNANIMOUS. >> WE DO THIS EVERY TIME, EVERY YEAR AND ONCE I GET IT IN MY HEAD, [LAUGHTER] I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE THING BUT NOW WE HAVE TWO OPEN ALTERNATE POSITIONS ON THE BOARD AND I HAVE NOMINEES FOR THOSE IF WE'RE INTERESTED. >> AND WE MAY HAVE, ACCORDING TO THE EMAIL FROM CATHERINE CLYDE WAS POSITION 7. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE JUST APPOINTED MR. KERSTEN TO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THEN YES. >> WE HAVE TWO OPEN ALTERNATE POSITIONS. >> RIGHT. >> THEY ACTUALLY MUST FILL REQUIREMENTS FOR ONE OF THE POSITIONS ONE THROUGH FOUR. >> ONE THROUGH FOUR. YOU HAVE NOMINEES DAVID FOR THAT? >> I WOULD NOMINATE FOR THE FIRST ALTERNATE POSITION NANCY BUDDY WHO'S A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT AND I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE BOARD. COUNSELMAN SCHUSTER MAY HAVE. >> FOR THE SECOND ONE I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE JULIE BAKER. >> OKAY. >> WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION? >> YOU CAN DO. I WOULD MOVE THAT WE NOMINATE NANCY BUDDY TO ALTERNATE POSITION 1. >> I'M SECOND ON THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? NOW, WILLIAM. >> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE JULIE BAKER TO ALTERNATE NUMBER 2. >> I'LL SECOND THAT ALSO. [01:15:02] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THE LANDMARK CASE. >> [OVERLAPPING] ROBERT'S RULES. >> YES, I'M TELLING YOU. IT'S SO SELDOM THAT WE HAVE MORE WELL-QUALIFIED APPLICANTS THAN WE HAVE OPENINGS ON THESE BOARDS. SO WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. >> JUST A THOUGHT, I KNOW MARIE HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK. ONE IS WHEN WE APPOINT TO THESE BOARDS AND SOMEONE HAS RESIGNED, NOW THEY ARE OUT OF SYNC AND THAT PUTS PEOPLE SERVING ON THESE BOARDS WHERE WE HAVE THERE ONLY BE THAT TO BE THERE SIX YEARS, SOME OF THEM CLOSE TO EIGHT YEARS ON THESE BOARDS. WHAT WE'RE DOING, I'M GOING TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL SHORTLY, [NOISE] IF YOU'RE FILLING A POSITION OF A VACANCY, IF SOMEONE RESIGNS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT TWO-YEAR TERM FROM THAT POINT FORWARD. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT BOARDS THAT DIDN'T MEET BECAUSE OF COVID, PEOPLE BEING TERMED OUT WHEN THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY SERVING. >> WE SURE CAN. DONNA, COULD YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT PLEASE MA'AM? >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 12 C THANK GOODNESS. [12.C. Discuss and consider Ex Officio appointments to the following City boards, commissions, and committees: Airport Advisory Committee Arts & Historic Preservation Advisory Board Cultural Arts Commission Families, Children and Youth Board Finance, Fiscal Affairs and Investment Committee Galveston Wharves Board Landmark Commission Park Board of Trustees Parks & Recreation Advisory Board Planning Commission Sister Cities Program Committee Tree Committee Zoning Board of Adjustments] [LAUGHTER] >> ITEM 12C DISCUSSING CONSIDER EX OFFICIO APPOINTMENTS TO THE FOLLOWING CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES. >> VERY GOOD. I'M GOING TO SEE IF COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE. WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE AND WE'LL MAKE ALL OF THE NOMINATIONS IN ONE MOTION ON THIS. DAVID, YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> WELL, I HAVE RECORDED WHO SITS ON THESE AS EX OFFICIO. FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, THIS IS MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL THAT WILL SERVE AS EX OFFICIO MEMBERS TO THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE OF THEM SPECIFICALLY, BUT IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM ONE AT A TIME AND MAKE THOSE NOMINATIONS WE CAN [OVERLAPPING]. >> LET'S GO THROUGH THESE ONE AT A TIME [OVERLAPPING] IF WE COULD, AND THEN WE CAN PUT THOSE ALL IN ONE MOTION HERE. LET'S TALK ABOUT AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> I WOULD NOMINATE MARIE TO CONTINUE ON AIRPORT ADVISORY. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MARIE FOR THERE AIRPORT ADVISORY. ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE DAVID COLLINS FOR THAT. >> WE'RE GOING THROUGH MOTIONS IN SECONDS AND THEN VOTING ALL AT ONCE. >> THAT'S NOT RIGHT, IS IT? >> MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT. >> LET JUST DRAW OUR HANDS UP ONE AT A TIME ON THIS IS. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MARIE FOR THE AIRPORT ADVISORY. THANK YOU. ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE DAVID COLLINS FOR THAT. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND THAT. >> MOTION FOR A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? IT IS UNANIMOUS. CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. >> I NOMINATE GREG. >> EXCUSE ME. >> I'LL NOMINATE GREG. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. I'M HAPPY TO DO IT IF NO ONE ELSE WANTS TO DO IT. >> WHEN I SAID I WOULD STEP UP TO IF YOU WANT. >> I'LL BE HAPPY TO NOMINATE DAVID TOO. [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU, JOHN. I'M GOING TO PASS THAT BATON TO DAVID COLLINS ON THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. DOES THAT MEET YOUR APPROVAL, JOHN? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? >> I'LL SECOND. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. VERY GOOD. DAVID'S GOING TO BE STAYING WITH THE MONEY FLOW. >> YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET. [LAUGHTER] I'LL BE APPLYING FOR OUR PROJECTS. >> YEAH. FAMILY CHILDREN AND YOUTH BOARD. >> I WOULD NOMINATE WILLIAM SCHUSTER. >> I'LL SECOND. [NOISE] >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? GOOD. WILLIAM. THANK YOU, WILLIAM, YOU'VE BEEN SERVING IN THAT ROLE FOR A LITTLE WHILE ON THAT. FINANCE, FISCAL AFFAIRS AND INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, I'M GOING TO NOMINATE MARIE ROB FOR THAT. >> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. VERY GOOD. GALVESTON WARS BOARD. >> I'LL [OVERLAPPING] NOMINEES CRAIG BROWN. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LANDMARK COMMISSION. >> I'LL NOMINATE DAVE COLLINS. >> I'LL SECOND. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT DAVID, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT NOW? [01:20:02] >> YES, OF COURSE I DO. >> THERE'S NO MONEY ATTACHED TO THEM. >> OH, MY GOD, WAIT. WHAT? [LAUGHTER]. >> ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. DAVID COLLINS HAS BEEN NOMINATED AND SECOND FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. VERY GOOD. PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES, DAVID? >> YEAH. I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. COUNCIL'S EX OFFICIO MEMBER TO THE BOARD. IT'S CHORE, BUT I'VE ENJOYED, IT, HAS BEEN EXTREMELY EDUCATIONAL. BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO PASS THIS BATON, LET SOMEONE ELSE DO THIS JOB. IT'S JUST TIME TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COUNCILMAN BOUVIER TO BE COUNSELS NOMINEE TO THE PARK BOARD. >> THANK YOU, DAVID. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> OKAY. WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A COUNCILMAN BOUVIER FOR PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES LIAISONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> ONE ABSTAINED. >> IT'S SIX IN FAVOR AND ONE ABSTENTION. >> GOOD LUCK, MAGGIE. >> YOU'VE GOT IT. >> GOOD. WE HAVE A FLOAT JACKET FOR YOU. [LAUGHTER]. >> [INAUDIBLE] MODEL FIT HIM. [LAUGHTER] >> VERY GOOD. PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD. I'M GOING TO NOMINATE, IF SHE WOULD ACCEPT THAT, SHARON LEWIS TO THAT. >> SHE'S THINKING. >> SHE'S THINKING. >> SHE'S THINKING. >> I'M THINKING BECAUSE I THINK I'VE SUBMITTED MY NAME FOR THE IDC. I CAN DO TWO, CORRECT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING. >> WE'RE NOT DOING IDC. >> YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO TWO TRUST ME. >> OKAY. WELL, I'LL ACCEPT. >> OKAY. IF YOU EXCEPT, I WOULD SECOND THEN. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A COUNSELING THAT COUNCILWOMAN LEWIS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. IT IS UNANIMOUS. PLANNING COMMISSION. >> I'LL NOMINATE JOHN PAUL. >> SINCE HE MISSED THE MEETING AND LOST THE TOSS, I'LL SECOND THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON JOHN PAUL'S TASKY ARE PERENNIAL [OVERLAPPING] ANY COMMISSION? >> A GOOD JOB, YOU'VE DONE THAT. >> THERE WE GO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? >> CAN I VOTE AGAINST MYSELF. >> YOU CAN ABSTAIN. >> SISTER CITIES PROGRAM COMMITTEE. I'M GOING TO NOMINATE COUNCIL WOMAN, MARIE ROB. >> I WOULD SECOND THING. >> VERY GOOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AND TREE COMMITTEE. I'M GOING TO NOMINATE WILLIAM SCHUSTER FOR THE TREE COMMITTEE. >> I WOULD SECOND THAT. >> VERY GOOD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> I WOULD NOMINATE COUNCILMAN SCHUSTER FOR THAT AS WELL. >> VERY GOOD. I WOULD SECOND THAT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCIL. >> PAINLESS AS IT COULD BE. [LAUGHTER]. >> WE DO THIS EACH YEAR AND EACH YEAR IT GETS A LITTLE EASIER EVEN THOUGH THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT. THIS IS MUCH EASIER THAN WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. VERY GOOD. IT IS 10:45, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO ROOM 204 FOR OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS. I WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT THESE. WE HAVE A MEMBER OF TABC WITH US TODAY THAT WILL BE VISITING WITH US ABOUT OUR FIRST ITEM HERE THAT WILL TAKE UP. THESE ARE TOUGH TOPICS. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION THAT'LL GO ON THIS MORNING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, GOLF CARTS, MINIMUM LOT SIZES, AND OUR DWI VIOLATION CONCERNS. LOOKING FORWARD TO A HEALTHY DISCUSSION, WE ARE NOW MOVING TO ROOM 204 AT 10:48. >> IT IS 10:55 AM. I WOULD LIKE TO RECONVENE FROM OUR COUNCIL CHAMBERS. [13.A. Discussion of DWI violations and the City’s Role in Prevention (Brown/Bouvier - 30 min)] WE ARE NOW IN OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS, ITEM 13 OF OUR AGENDA AND WE'RE IN ROOM 204. [NOISE] OUR FIRST ITEM, PLEASE. NELLIE, ITEM 13 I THINK. >> I TEAM 13A, DISCUSS OF DWI VIOLATIONS AND THE CITY'S ROLE IN PREVENTION. >> AS COUNSEL KNOWS, FOLLOWING SOME HORRIFIC ACCIDENTS INVOLVING TOUGH [NOISE] GUARDS AND INVOLVING TRUCK DRIVERS AND SO FORTH, WE'VE STARTED OUR DWI TASK FORCE HERE IN TOWN AND THAT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BRIAN BEEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE GIVE US SOME INPUT ON [01:25:01] THAT AND GIVE US THOUGHTS OF WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT. WE DO HAVE THOUGH SOME GUESTS TODAY. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE GENTLEMEN. GENTLEMEN, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP HERE. WE HAVE LIEUTENANT JEFF YC FROM TABC JOINING US TODAY, AND YOUR NAME AGAIN, SIR? >> RUBBER COLERIDGE. >> RUBBER COLERIDGE. HAVE A SIT. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU TWO CAN SIT TOGETHER. I'M GOING TO MOVE OVER THERE. >> THAT WAS BETTER. >> YOU CAN HAVE A SIT. THESE TWO GENTLEMEN ARE REPRESENTING TABC, TEXAS ALCOHOL BEVERAGE COMMISSION. [NOISE] BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO SEE IF YOU [NOISE] GENTLEMEN HAVE SOME THOUGHTS. I KNOW YOU'D HAVE SOME INPUT PRIOR TO COMING DOWN HERE ABOUT OUR ACCIDENTS AND SO FORTH. LET'S SEE ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS FIRST BEFORE WE HOPE BACK TO QUESTIONS. >> WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY WAS, ONE, YOU HAD MENTIONED THE CITY'S ROLE IN THE PREVENTION OF DWI. THE TMC'S ROLE IN PROVINCIAL OF DETAIL GAS ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE. JUST WHAT I'M IN IS THAT WE DO UNDERCOVER OPERATIONS INSIDE THE LICENSED PREMISES. AN UNDERCOVER OPERATION IS TYPICALLY WHERE WE WOULD SEND IN. ALL DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION. THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS. BUT WE SEND AN A TEAM OF UNDERCOVER PEOPLE. THEY JUST WATCH THE CROWD. THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY ACTING AS PATRONS. WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE WHO IS OBVIOUSLY INTOXICATED OR IS INTOXICATED DUE TO OUR TRAINING EXPERIENCE, THEN WE SEE HOW THE ESTABLISHMENT TREATS THOSE INTOXICATED. DO THEY CONTINUE TO SELL TO THEM? DO THEY TRY TO MITIGATE THE EFFECTS OF THE ALCOHOL, WHAT'S THERE? WHAT DO THEY DO BASICALLY? IF THEY CONTINUE TO SELL TO THEM, THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CODE SAYS THAT'S A VIOLATION. WE DOCUMENT THAT. WE BRING IN OUR OPEN TEAM. THEY TAKE CARE OF THE PAPERWORK SIDE OF THAT. THEN IT CAN RESULT IN A SUSPENSION OR A CANCELLATION OF THE PERMANENT. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY THE CIVIL PENALTY IS TYPICALLY A SUSPENSION. THAT'S THINGS YOUR QUESTION. BUT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, AFTER AN EVENT HAPPENED, AFTER A CRASH HAPPENS, AFTER AN ASSAULT HAPPENS, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A CAR CRASH. IT COULD BE AN ASSAULT THAT HAPPENED AT A LICENSED PREMISE. THEN WE HAVE THESE TRACE UNIT THAT'S IN OUR SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS BUREAU. INVESTIGATOR COULTER HERE IS ASSIGNED TO THAT AND HE CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THAT. NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFICS, BUT SPEAK TO WHAT THEY DO AFTER THE FACT THAT IT WOULD CRASH. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. COULTER. >> TRACE STANDS FOR TARGET RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALCOHOL-CONNECTED EMERGENCIES THAT ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE TAKEN OVER THE ROLE FULL-TIME WITH SOURCE INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH HAVE BEEN COMMONPLACE FOR TABC FOR YEARS. WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR UNIT, IT STARTED JANUARY 15TH AND A FULL-TIME CAPACITY IN RESPONSE TO NOT JUST THE GAPS AND COUNTING FOR X HERE RECENTLY, BUT WE'VE BEEN SEEING A RISE IN THOSE SINCE COVID HAS STARTED. HARRIS COUNTY LEADS THE NATION, THE 45 BOARD, OR OBVIOUSLY COMING FROM GALVESTON ALL THE WAY TO LIKE MONTGOMERY COUNTY IS PROBLEMATIC. DALLAS AND TERRENCE ARE RIGHT BEHIND IT, SO WE HAVE A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE, FULL-TIME UNIT 11 INVESTIGATORS STATEWIDE, LION'S SHARE HERE IN HOUSTON REGION REGION 3, WHICH ENCOMPASSES GALVESTON. OUR SOLE RESPONSIBILITY IS THE RESPONSE TO ALCOHOL-RELATED CRASHES THAT RESULT IN A FATALITY OR LIKELY TO RESULT IN DEATH, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAD. SHOOTINGS, STABBINGS, AND MURDERS AT BARS, WHICH IS NOT AS COMMONPLACE ON THE ISLAND, BUT VERY COMMONPLACE IN HARRIS COUNTY, UNFORTUNATELY. THE MODEL THAT WE USE, WE ARE CALLED RESPONSIVE. WE'RE ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY. WE PARTNER WITH TEXTILES, THE POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION, THE DAS ASSOCIATION FOR TEXAS AND SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION, GAME WARDENS, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, VARIOUS AGENCIES THAT HELP US. WE HAVE AN ON-CALL NUMBER FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. WE ALSO PASS OUT OUR INFORMATION INDIVIDUALLY TO THOSE AGENCIES. FOR INSTANCE, MEETING WITH GALVESTON PD, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OF DA'S OFFICE. WHEN AN INCIDENT OCCURS, SUCH AS WHAT HAPPENED WITH GOLF CART INCIDENT. WE HAD A UNIT ON SCENE THAT NIGHT. THE LOCAL PD IN THE DA'S OFFICE WILL CALL US. WILL COME TO THE SCENE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU WILL US FOLKS HERE ON THE GROUND ARE GOING TO HANDLE THE CRASH INVESTIGATION AND WE ASSIST AS A FORCE MULTIPLIER TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE BARS. WE CAN PULL VIDEO. WE DO THIS A LOT WITH THE DA'S OFFICE. THEY GIVE US GRAND JURY SUBPOENAS, WE'LL SERVE THOSE SUBPOENAS. WE'LL REVIEW VIDEO POOL, VIDEO RECEIPTS, EMPLOYEE INFORMATION, ESSENTIALLY FINE TOOTH COMB, EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE BAR THAT NIGHT AND WE'LL TRACK THAT PERSON THROUGHOUT THE EVENING. ON THE ISLAND, IT'S CUSTOMARY TO MOVE BAR HOUSTON. [01:30:01] THEY'RE USUALLY HAVE SAME BAR, BUT HERE, IT'S SET UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU'RE JUST WALKING DOWN THE SEAWALL. THAT IS VERY TIME-CONSUMING. WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS BE AS COLLABORATIVE AS WE CAN WITH YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF THEM SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO TAKE THEIR ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS IN DETERRENT ACTIONS OF STREET LEVEL. WHILE WE DO THE BACKEND FOLLOW-UP, PUT THAT CASE TOGETHER, PRESENT IT WITH THE DA'S OFFICE, PRESENT IT TO THE LOCAL AGENCIES HERE, AS TO WHAT WE FOUND WILL MOVE AND CITE THE BAR ACCORDINGLY. WE WILL CHARGE THE BARTENDERS IF THERE'S VIOLATIONS OR IF THE LOCAL PD WOULD PREFER TO TAKE THE CRIMINAL CHARGES, THEY CAN DO THAT AS WELL AND THEN WE'LL TESTIFY IN A FOLLOW-UP. I KNOW THIS IS GENERALLY ABOUT DWI AND IF YOU DO HAVE INSTANCES OF WHAT WE TERM AS AGGRAVATED BREACHES AND SHOOTING, STABBING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION OF SEVEN DAYS TO ALLOW THEM, YOUR LOCAL PARTNERS HERE TO DO SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO MITIGATE ANY FURTHER VIOLENCE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY IS NOT CUSTOMARY, BUT IF IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AN IMMEDIATE 30,60,90 DAY SUSPENSION WHILE WE DO A FULL REVIEW OF THAT PERMIT FOR POTENTIAL CANCELLATION. THOSE ARE NOT AS COMMON, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. THOSE DON'T NECESSARILY COME INTO PLAY. IF IT'S JUST THE DWI. THERE HAS TO BE SOME VIOLENCE INVOLVED, BUT THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR UNIT DOES SPECIFICALLY. >> DO YOU GET INVOLVED IN HOW THE GUY WHO KILLED THE CHILD, THEN SERIOUSLY WOUNDED THE OTHER PEOPLE. HOW DID THEY GET RELEASED FROM JAIL WHEN HE WAS SENTENCED FOR THREE YEARS? >> NOT ON THAT. NO, MA'AM. >> WHO COVERS THAT? >> THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO YOUR PAROLE BOARD. DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE AT THE INSTITUTIONAL DIVISION, ALL THOSE THERE'S VARYING LEVELS THERE. WE'RE NARROWLY FOCUSED ON LICENSED PREMISES. WE DO HAVE STATEWIDE AUTHORITY, OUR JURISDICTION IS STATEWIDE, HOWEVER, WE NARROW DOWN TO THE LICENSED PREMISES AND WE GENERALLY ONLY OPERATE IN THOSE IN THE CONFINES OF ANYWHERE THAT'S LICENSED. THE BENEFIT TO THAT IS THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAVE LICENSE THAT YOU WOULDN'T THINK HAS A LICENSE. THEY'RE SUBJECT TO PROVIDE RECORDS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CODE, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT BEING SPECIFICALLY INVESTIGATED FOR THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN AN OFFENSE. FOR INSTANCE, IF WE WANT ALL THE BARS OR GAS STATIONS PROVIDE VIDEO, IF THEY HAVE A PERMANENT WITH US, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THEM. WE CAN SERVE PAPERWORK AND SUBPOENAS THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT CAN BE HELPFUL TO YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS. THAT IS VERY TIMELY. WE DON'T CIRCUMVENT SEARCH WARRANTS AND GRAND JURY SUBPOENA ESPECAILLY IN CASES LIKE THIS. BUT IN OTHER SITUATIONS, WE CAN, AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED BUT EVIDENCE. FOR SOME SO HIGH-PROFILE, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO GO GRAND JURY, WHICH IS WHERE THE DA'S OFFICE COMES IN. THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE WE LIVE IN OUR INVESTIGATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO STEP OUTSIDE OF THAT TOO MUCH BECAUSE THEN WE'RE STARTING TO GRAY THE LINES OF DID WE ABUSE REGULATORY AUTHORITY OR DID WE EVEN HAVE REGULATORY AUTHORITY OVER CERTAIN LOCATIONS? THEN WE'LL LEAN BACK TO THE OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT HANDLE THOSE CARDS, LIKE THE PAROLE BOARD FOR YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION OR LICENSING QUESTIONS AS FAR AS DRIVER'S LICENSE, THINGS LIKE THAT. ANY OTHER CRIMINAL OFFENSES THAT TOOK PLACE OUTSIDE OF THE LICENSED PREMISES, WE WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, MA'AM. >> DAVID. >> LIEUTENANT YOU SAID THAT YOU OBSERVE IN THE BARS, IF YOU OBSERVE A FAKER NEW SPECTRUM INTOXICATION, THEN YOU BEGIN TO MONITOR HOW FAR IT GOES. WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT PATREON? >> THE PATREON, WE JUST USED TO JUST ARREST THAT PATRON FOR BEING INTOXICATED. DUE TO THE AMOUNT IS THE SAME EVEN WITH THE BARTENDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE WOULD JUST TYPICALLY ARREST. UNFORTUNATELY, IN SOME AREAS OF THE STATE THAT TIES UP A LOT OF RESOURCES. I MEAN, YOU COULD LITERALLY BE AT THE COUNTY JAIL FOR EIGHT HOURS TRYING TO BOOK SOMEBODY, DEPENDING ON THE COUNTY. WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT THAT PERSON AS BEING A WITNESS TO THE CRIME. AS WE CAN GET THEM A RIDE HOME OR A RESPONSIBLE PERSON CAN GET THEM A RIDE HOME AND THEIR HOME SAFE OR THEY ARE IN SAFE HANDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PREFER TO DO. THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE I CAN FIND SOMEBODY GETTING AROUND HOME OR THEY BECOME VIOLENT OR SOMEBODY IN THOSE INSTANCES, THEN THEY CAN BE TAKEN TO JAIL AND BE CHARGED. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS. >> WHEN YOU INVESTIGATE SAY IN INSTANCES, LIKE WE'VE HAD HERE AND THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN IN DIFFERENT BARS, [01:35:04] ARE GETTING ALCOHOL HERE. FIRST OF ALL, HOW DO YOU GO THROUGH THAT INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE IF THAT BAR HAS SERVED SOMEBODY THAT WAS [NOISE], HOW DO YOU DO THAT. >> THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO. THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO PROVE IS THAT THE VIOLATION OCCURS WHEN THE PERSON IS INTOXICATED AND THEY PURCHASED ANOTHER. IF YOU HAVE FIVE BARS AND THEY READ THE FIRST BAR, AND THAT WAS WHERE THEY WERE INITIALLY, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE IN OUR INVESTIGATION, BUT IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW ALL FIVE. HE MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK A LITTLE CLEAR OVER THAT BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS UNIT DOES. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT VIOLATION THAT THIS PERSON WAS INTOXICATED AND SELF-SERVE ARE DELIVERED TOOK PLACE TO THIS INTOXICATED PERSON. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT YOURSELF. >> GENERALLY WHAT WE'LL DO ONCE WE'RE NOTIFIED OF AN EVENT AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO SPECIFICS OF THESE ONGOING CASES BECAUSE THEY ARE CURRENT ACTIVE BUT IN GENERALITIES. WE'LL PULL VIDEO FROM EVERY SINGLE ONE, AND TO LIEUTENANTS [INAUDIBLE]. WE NEED TO VERIFY INTOXICATION. WE CAN DO THAT PRETTY QUICKLY HERE WITH THE LOCAL PD. IF THEY CAN DO SFSTS, THE STANDARD FIELD SOBRIETY TESTS, YOU GET A GENERAL SENSE THAT THEY'RE INTOXICATED. WE CAN GET AN INITIAL DISCLOSURE FROM THE HOSPITAL. THEY'LL PULL A BAC PRETTY QUICK OFF THE BLOOD. WE HAVE TO DO FOLLOW-UPS WITH TOXICOLOGY OBVIOUSLY, BUT THEY CAN GIVE US AN INITIAL DISCLOSURE OF HOW MUCH ALCOHOL IS ON BOARD AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE INTOXICATED. GENERALLY FOR THE TRACE UNIT, IT'S SAD TO SAY, BUT MOST OF OUR CASES INVOLVE PROBABLY ABOUT, ON AVERAGE 0.24 TO 0.30 AND HIGHER ON BAC, SO IT'S PRETTY APPARENT THESE PEOPLE ARE INTOXICATED. IT DOESN'T TAKE A WHOLE LOT TO RECOGNIZE THAT. IN A SITUATION WHERE THEIR BAR HOPPING, WHERE SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT ALLEVIATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE FIRST IN THE CHAIN, [NOISE] IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. WE HAVE MADE CASES ON MULTIPLE BARS FOR THE SAME INCIDENT. VIDEO IS VERY HELPFUL, BUT VIDEO'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE. BAR OWNERS, SOME OF THEM ARE AWARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR VIDEO, AND SO THEY DON'T RUN VIDEO BECAUSE IT CREATES A CHALLENGE. BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE ON VIDEO IS ARE THEY SHOWING SIGNS OF INTOXICATION, ARE THEY STUMBLING, ARE THEY FUMBLING GETTING THEIR MONEY OUT OR ARE THEY HAVING TROUBLE? THE OTHER THING WE'D LIKE TO SEE ON VIDEO IS NUMBER OF DRINKS ORDERED, SERVED IN THE DURATION BETWEEN THOSE DRINKS. HOW FAST ARE THEY DRINKING THEM? HOW MUCH ARE THEY GETTING ON A FOLLOW-UP? HOW MUCH ARE THEY BEING SERVED AT ONE TIME? WELL, BEYOND JUST THE SCENT OF INTOXICATED PERSON WE LOOK AT WHAT WE CALL PROMOTIONAL VIOLATIONS. YOU CAN ONLY BE SERVED TWO DRINKS AT ONE TIME. THESE BARS DON'T ALWAYS FOLLOW THAT, YOU NEED TWO PEOPLE FOR A BUCKET OF BEER. SOMETIMES ONE PERSON GETS A BUCKET. WE'VE SEEN ONE PERSON GET EIGHT SHOTS AT ONE TIME. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE LOOK FOR. THOSE AREN'T REVEALED IN A RECEIPT, BUT THEY ARE IN VIDEO. ABSENT VIDEO, WE DO LOOK AT THE RECEIPTS AND WE CAN LOOK AT THE DURATION OF TIME THAT THEY WERE THERE. WHEN DID THE TAB OPEN? WHEN DID IT CLOSE? HOW LONG WERE THEY THERE FOR? AN HOUR AND A HALF. HOW MANY DRINKS DID THEY HAVE? WE CAN USE GENERAL STUFF, THERE'S A SCIENCE BEHIND IT. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT SCIENTISTS, BUT YOU CAN GO ON A GENERAL SENSE THAT EVERY STANDARD CORES ABOUT 0.2 TO YOUR BLOOD ALCOHOL AND THAT'LL METABOLIZE OFF AT ABOUT AN HOUR. THE GENERAL RULE AND WHAT THE SELLER SERVERS GO THROUGH IS NO MORE THAN TWO DRINKS AN HOUR. IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE TO KEEP THEM UNDER THE LEGAL LIMIT. WELL, IF THEY'VE BEEN IN THE BAR FOR TWO HOURS AND THEY'VE HAD EIGHT DRINKS, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. NOW WE'VE GOT TO ESTABLISH, ARE THEY SHARING THOSE DRINKS WITH A GROUP? ARE THEY BUYING AROUND FOR OTHER PEOPLE? ARE THEY SOLELY CONSUMING THOSE BEVERAGES? WE'LL PULL THE BATCH RECEIPTS FOR EVERYBODY IN THE BAR FOR THAT SPECIFIED TIME PERIOD. THE ARGUMENT IS WHAT IF HE WAS WITH THREE FRIENDS WELL, WE GOT THE THREE FRIENDS RECEIPTS TOO, AND THEY'RE BUYING SIMILAR DRINKS. THAT'S SOME OF THE METHODOLOGY THERE. THE TIME AND DISTANCE FROM THE TIME THEY LEFT THE LOCATION TO THE TIME THEY SHOW UP TO THE NEXT, AND WHERE YOU MIGHT GET THE CHAIN [INAUDIBLE]. THEY DRINK ENOUGH OVER THERE. IT WOULD BE PROVABLE BY PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, THAT THEY WERE SHOWING SIGNS OF INTOXICATION BASED OFF OF WHAT WE WOULD EXTRAPOLATE BACK THEIR ALCOHOL, WHAT ALCOHOL WOULD BE AT THAT TIME. THEY MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE, AND IF THERE IS SUCH A HIGH BLOOD ALCOHOL CONTENT THAT IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SHOWING SIGNS OF ALCOHOL. YOU MIGHT GET THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE THEY CAME IN OR WE CATCH A VIDEO OF THEM WALKING DOWN THE SEAWALL OR THESE STUMBLING HERE. NOW HE'S IN THIS BAR AND THEY'RE SERVING AN ALREADY INTOXICATED PERSON, THAT'S ANOTHER VIOLATION. THEY SHOULD BE TAKING STEPS TO EVALUATE THEIR CUSTOMERS UPON ENTRY, ESPECIALLY IN THIS SETTING, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE WALKABLE BARS. [01:40:01] IT'S NOT SEPARATED BY A 20-MINUTE DRIVE IF YOU'RE SEPARATED BY FIVE MINUTE WALK. IN SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS, WE GET A BAR GOING FROM BAR A TO B AND BACK TO A AND BACK TO B, SO THEY'RE HOPPING BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. [NOISE] THAT'S WHERE WE FIND OUR MOST SUCCESS. WE TRY TO GET WITNESS STATEMENTS. HOWEVER, SOMETIMES WITH WITNESS STATEMENTS YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR WITNESSES WERE ALSO DRINKING [LAUGHTER]. RELIABILITY CAN BE A PROBLEM THERE, AND THEN BIAS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO EMPLOYEES BECAUSE THEIR FREEDOM IS AT RISK IF THEY'RE TALKING TO US ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY SERVED AN INDIVIDUAL BECAUSE THEY'RE SUBJECT TO ARREST. [NOISE] THERE'S VARIOUS WAYS WE'LL GO THROUGH IT. SOMETIMES WE GET SOME CUSTOMERS OR WE DO FOLLOW UP LATER ON THESE CAN BE LONG TERM. SOMETIMES THESE RUN TWO YEARS BECAUSE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABSENT SOME EVIDENCE, A FAMILY MIGHT SUE THAT LOCATION DOWN THE LINE AND THAT LITIGATION CAN TAKE A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT THEY CAN UNCOVER ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT THE FAMILY HAD THAT THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE TO US, CELL PHONE INFORMATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE DON'T HAVE A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS, WE CAN LOOK BACK AT A CASE FROM TWO YEARS AGO, WE GET NEW INFORMATION [NOISE] AND PROCEED FROM THERE. WE DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT, WE PREFER TO TAKE CARE OF IT ON THE FRONT END. LIKEWISE, TO POINT OUT JUST BECAUSE IF WE DON'T FIND A VIOLATION OR THERE'S INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE, DOESN'T MEAN WE JUST END IT. IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S SOME INDICATIONS THAT THERE'S SOME SUB-STANDARD BUSINESS PRACTICES OR INDICATIONS OF IRRESPONSIBILITY, WE STILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO GO BACK AND EDUCATE THE BAR. HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND, HERE'S WHAT WE FOUND TROUBLING. IT MIGHT NOT HAVE RISEN TO THE LEVEL OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE VIOLATION, HOWEVER YOU'RE RIGHT THERE ON THE BORDER AND WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE TRIED TO DO THAT AS A DETERRENT EFFECT. TAKE IT AS A GOOD DETERRENT. FINANCIALLY, IF YOU HIT SOMEONE IN THE PARKING LOT, THAT'S GOOD DETERRENT. SOMEONE GOES TO JAIL, GOOD DETERRENT. [NOISE] BUT EDUCATION CAN WORK JUST AS WELL IF THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONSEQUENCE. IT'S JUST ANOTHER WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LAYER FROM THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE ON THAT. WE'RE MUCH MORE REACTIVE, THEY ARE A LOT MORE PROACTIVE AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP AT THE END IS ALWAYS BENEFICIAL AS WELL. >> VIDEO IS NOT MANDATORY FOR THESE ESTABLISHMENTS. ARE THERE CERTAIN NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS BEFORE YOU PULL THEIR LICENSE OR IS IT YOU CAN DO IT AFTER ONE INCIDENT? >> TYPICALLY IF WE FIND JUST SAY FOR INSTANCE, IF IT'S A SALE TO MINOR OR A SALE TO INTOX, IF WE END UP RUNNING INTO TWO, THREE, FOUR OF THESE, IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, WE WOULD SEEK CANCELLATION. WE HAD GONE THERE FOR CANCELLATION ON JUST SOME ONE EVENT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THEM. THAT'S VERY LIMITED, [NOISE] BUT TYPICALLY WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING. [NOISE] IF IT'S A BUNCH OF SMALL VIOLATIONS, IT CAN BE PAPERWORK TYPE VIOLATIONS THINGS LIKE THAT AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO SEEK CANCELLATION. [NOISE] IF IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, WE'RE FOCUSED ON ENFORCEMENT SIDE AS PUBLIC SAFETY. [NOISE] IF IT'S TO HAPPEN, WE MONITOR THE WHOLE SITUATION AND WE MAY SEEK CANCELLATION DEPENDING ON THE SEVERITY OF THOSE OFFENSES AND THE FREQUENCY. >> [NOISE] TO THAT POINT REAL QUICK. WE'LL SEE SOMETIMES ON THE BACK-END BECAUSE WE'RE COLLECTING ALL THE INFORMATION INTO HIS POINT, THE SALE TO INTOX, IT'S GENERALLY NOT A DISCUSSION OF CANCELING. UNLESS WE SEE OTHER CRIMINAL VIOLENCE, WE HAVE RUN INTO TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE, THOSE ARE DELETING THEIR VIDEO, THEY'RE HIDING THEIR DVRS. THEY'RE DOING A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF BEYOND JUST THE SALE TO INTOX, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SALE TO INTOX THAT LEADS TO THE CANCELLATION, IT'S MORE UNSUITABLE TO HOLD A PERMIT BECAUSE OF THEIR RESPONSE TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMING IN AND REQUESTING INFORMATION WHERE THEY TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE TO HIDE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BUSINESS. THAT'S MORE RELATED FOR US TO VIOLENT INCIDENTS. BUT WE DO SEE WHERE SOME OF THESE BAR OWNERS, THEY'RE SAVVY AND THEY UNDERSTAND THE TABC IS COMING. THEY WATCH THE NEWS TOO, AND THEY KNOW WE'RE COMING AND THINGS DISAPPEAR. ALL OF A SUDDEN THE DVR BROKE OR THE CAMERAS WERE UNPLUGGED, OR RECENTLY WE'VE RUN INTO ISSUES WITH BAR OWNERS THREATENING RETALIATION AGAINST REGULAR CUSTOMERS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES FOR COOPERATING WITH TABC. THOSE THINGS CAN BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE CALL PLACE OR MANNER VIOLATIONS. THE PLACE OR MANNER IN WHICH YOU'RE OPERATING YOUR BUSINESS IS CONTRARY TO THE SAFETY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. THOSE ARE STILL VERY DIFFICULT EVEN FOR OUR UNIT WITH OUR ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY STRAIGHT OUT OF HOUSTON TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT ON IT ON INITIAL OFFENSE TO CANCEL A PERMANENT. BUT IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT IS UNDER REVIEW FOR SUITABILITY, FOR RENEWAL OF THAT PERMANENT. >> JUST SOMETHING TO ADD JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND ALSO IS, JUST BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN, AND IT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IN HARDER TIMES WHERE PEOPLE WILL KEEP [01:45:01] ALCOHOL IN THEIR CARS AND THEY MAY STEP OUT TO THEIR CAR TO MAKE A PHONE CALL, BUT THEN THEY HAVE DRINK, SO THAT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE. SOMETIMES THAT'S A LITTLE HURDLE THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME AND SEE IF THAT ALCOHOL IS THERE AND THEN WE HAVE TO, SOMETIMES WE SEE THE DWI CRASHES WHERE YOU GET TO THE SCENE AND THEY'VE GOT ALCOHOL IN THE CAR. THEN IT COMES A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO SAY, WELL, THEY GOT INTOXICATED ON THIS ALCOHOL VERSUS ALCOHOL. THERE'S SOME CHALLENGES AND HURDLES, BUT THE VIDEO, LIKE HE SAID IS GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT MANDATORY. >> THAT'S A PROBLEM. DAVID YOU GOT A QUESTION? >> THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION IS MORE ABOUT THE BARS. STREET. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CONVERSATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE CHIEF AND THE LOCAL TASK FORCE. BUT I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN HOW YOU INTERFACE WITH LOCAL POLICE BECAUSE TAKING ACTION AGAINST THE BAR AFTER THE FACT IS FINE. CERTAINLY, YOU'RE DOING A VALUABLE SERVICE THERE. BUT OUR NUMBER 1 EMPHASIS IS KEEPING THOSE DRUNKS OFF THE STREET, TO BEGIN WITH. AGAIN, THAT MAY NOT BE YOUR PURVIEW. >> WELL, NO. THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING WHEN I FIRST STARTED TALKING, WAS WE DO THE UNDERCOVER OPERATIONS ON THE FRONT END. WE MAY GET A COMPLAINT FROM A CITIZEN OR FROM ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT. THEY CALL IN AND SAY X, Y, Z BAR IS SERVING AFTER-HOURS AND INTOXICATED PEOPLE AND MINORS. THEN WE WILL PUT IT ON ONE OF OUR LIST OF TO-DO AN UNDERCOVER OPERATION. WE SEND THAT TEAM IN TO DO THAT UNDERCOVER OPERATION. LOOK AND SEE. IF WE SEE A VIOLATION, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I SAID, WE TAKE ACTION ON THAT VIOLATION. IF WE DON'T SEE THAT VIOLATION, WE COME BACK WITH A FOLLOW-UP. TYPICALLY, WE START THAT INVESTIGATION BY NOTIFYING THE BAR AND SAY, "HEY, WE GOT THIS COMPLAINT. IF YOU GUYS ARE DOING X, Y, AND Z, MAYBE, HERE'S THE RULES. HERE'S SOME BEST PRACTICES. HERE'S A WAY YOU'LL COMBAT THIS IF THIS PROBLEM IS GOING ON." THEN WE GO IN TO WORK THAT UNDERCOVER. LIKE I SAID, IF WE SEE A VIOLATION, WE TAKE CARE OF IT. IF WE DON'T, WE CAN CLOSE THE COMPLAINT. NOW, WE GO BACK DOING THE ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON WHAT WE CALL OUR PRIORITY LIST. THAT'S THE FRONT END OF IT, AND THE TRACING IS MORE THE BACKSIDE OF THAT. >> I CAN'T HELP BUT RELATE TO THIS MOST RECENT CASE. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DO YOU TRACK THE GAS STATIONS AND WHATNOT IF THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE STOPPING ON THE TRIP FROM HUNTSVILLE TO GALVESTON TO BUY ALCOHOL. >> SOMETIMES IT'S JUST PUTTING IN THE LEGWORK. ESSENTIALLY, AS YOU FIND WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM, YOU START TO ESTABLISH. SOME OF THAT IS TESTIMONY FROM ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT WHERE WERE THEY COMING FROM. WHERE DOES HE LIVE? WHERE'S HE COMING FROM? WHERE THEY'D BE IS LIKELY POINT OF ORIGIN. BUT AS YOU BACKTRACK AND YOU FIND SOMEONE ON VIDEO, WELL NOW YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CLUE. THEY WERE WESTBOUND HEADED EASTBOUND. NOW WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE. WE FOUND ANOTHER ONE. WELL, HE DISAPPEARS IN THIS ONE, WHERE WE HAVE A STREET THAT WAS COMING SOUTHBOUND BEFORE HE TURNED. MAYBE WE CAN GO DOWN THAT AVENUE. SOME OF THAT IS JUST TIME-CONSUMING. SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE A WITNESS, THAT'S GREAT. I SAW HIM COMING DOWN THIS ROAD. HE WAS HEADED THIS WAY. WE SAW HIM THE WHOLE TIME. WE HAD SOMEONE FOLLOWING A DWI THAT CALLED IN TO THE POLICE. WE HAVE A CALL SLIP THAT'S TRACKING EVERYWHERE THEY'RE GOING. THEY'RE JUST WEAVING THROUGH TRAFFIC DOING [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S NOT COMMON THOUGH. I WISH I HAD THAT ON EVERYTHING. THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION. IT'S VERY PRELIMINARY RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT CAN GIVE GPS LOCATIONS ON CARS. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO PROBABLE CAUSE. BUT YOU CAN PLUG INTO THE [INAUDIBLE] SENSOR AND IT CAN GIVE YOU MARKERS AND WAYPOINTS FROM THE GPS. MOST OF THESE VEHICLES NOW HAVE GPS. EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NAVIGATION IN YOUR CAR, IT HAS GPS IN THE BOX, AND IT CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION. DPS USES IT REGULARLY TO DETERMINE DRAG COEFFICIENTS, THE PERCENTAGE OF PRESSURE PUT ON THE BRAKE PEDAL WHEN IT WAS APPLIED, THE SPEED AT TIME OF CRASHING. IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE BLACK BOX FROM THE CAR THAT ALSO DOES GPS WAYPOINTS. THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN USE NOW, BUT IT IS UNDER REVIEW. MAYBE SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, IT'S A POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY. BUT TECHNOLOGY LIKE THAT AS IT EXISTS, AND AS EVERYTHING MOVES MORE TOWARDS TECHNOLOGY, THAT STUFF MIGHT GET EASIER. FOR THE MOMENT, IT'S JUST GOOD OLD-FASHIONED POLICE WORK AND PUTTING IN THE HOURS AND THE TIME TO GO LOOK. TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CAMERAS. THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CODE. THE CITY OF HOUSTON JUST RECENTLY PUT IN AN ORDINANCE. THEIRS WAS MORE TO MITIGATE VIOLENCE AS OPPOSED TO ALCOHOL SALE TO INTOXICATED BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRING VIDEO OUTSIDE, NOT NECESSARILY INSIDE. THAT VIDEO WAS ANYBODY THAT HOLDS A PERMIT TO SELL ALCOHOL MUST HAVE VIDEO THAT RECORDS TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING AND MUST BE MAINTAINED FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS. [01:50:03] THAT IS TO ASSIST LAW ENFORCEMENT IN FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATIONS. IT WOULD'VE BEEN FANTASTIC IF THEY HAD DONE THE INSIDE AS WELL. THEY DIDN'T. OUTSIDE WORKS TOO. I MEAN, AT LEAST WE CAN PUT A PERSON IN A PARTICULAR PLACE. WE'VE SEEN SOME CITIES AROUND THE STATE TRY TO TAKE EFFORTS THAT WAY THROUGH ORDINANCE RATHER THAN STATE LAW BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO GET SOME OF THOSE STATE LAWS PUSHED THROUGH ON THE CODE. >> GO AHEAD, JOHN. >> ON THE FRONT END IN Y'ALL'S INVESTIGATIONS, GOING TO THE BARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THAT MAINLY SPURRED BY COMPLAINTS? >> ALMOST 100 PERCENT. WE'RE A COMPLAINT-DRIVEN ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE A FEW FACTORS THAT WE LOOK AT. IF IT'S A BRAND NEW PERMIT AND THEY HAVE LATE HOURS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT TYPICALLY HAVE VIOLATIONS, WE MIGHT GO IN. WE WOULD NECESSARILY DO UNDERCOVER OPERATIONS. THAT WOULD MEET THAT CRITERIA. BASICALLY, IF YOU HAVE NO COMPLAINTS, HAVE A PERMIT ISSUED BY US, AND YOU HAVE NO COMPLAINTS, YOU MAY SEE US EVERY SO OFTEN JUST TO SAY HOW ARE YOU DOING AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE GOING TO JUST SAY BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY COMPLAINTS THAT WE FOCUS ON. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY CITIES THAT ACTUALLY REQUEST Y'ALL TO GO INTO THE BARS? >> WELL, WE GET, IT COULD BE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, IT COULD BE ANYBODY CALLING, [OVERLAPPING] IT COULD BE THE POLICE CHIEF, IT COULD BE ANYBODY. [OVERLAPPING] WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IN HE STATE OF TEXAS. I WORK A LOT WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON, AND OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S A LARGER CITY IN THE AREA. >> SO NOT JUST PRIVATE SECTOR CALLS YOU ALL, BUT [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE]? >> VERY GOOD. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DID HAVE A COMMENT. THANK YOU FOR TOUCHING ON THE FACT THAT THE PAGER MIGHT ACTUALLY GO OUTSIDE OR IT MIGHT HAVE AN ALCOHOL BOTTLE IN THEIR VEHICLE BEFORE THEY ENTER AND DRINK IT. >> OR ILLEGAL NARCOTICS OR LET'S SAY ILLEGAL NARCOTICS, ANY NARCOTICS. I SPECIFICALLY WORKED A CASE WHERE SOMEONE HAD JUST LEFT THE DENTIST'S OFFICE. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ALTER YOUR [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE]. IT WASN'T [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S MY IDEA BECAUSE THAT'S JUST ANOTHER HURDLE THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE. THIS ALCOHOL CAME FROM THIS PLACE AND IT CAUSED THIS INTOXICATION. IF IT'S A DRUG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE THAT CASE BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THE BAR COULD EASILY SAY, "WELL, THIS PERSON HAD ALL THESE DRUGS IN THEIR SYSTEM. IT WASN'T THE ALCOHOL THAT CAUSED IT. IT WAS THESE DRUGS THAT ALTERED [INAUDIBLE]." >> IF I COULD ADD TO YOUR QUESTION, SIR, ABOUT THE FRONT-END SIDE WORKING WITH GOVERNMENT PARTNER CONTACTS. WE REFER TO LOCAL AGENCIES AS GOVERNMENT PARTNER CONTACTS. WELL, MY UNIT IS RESPONSIVE BY NATURE. WE INVESTIGATED AFTER THE FACT. WE DO TAKE STEPS TO INTERFACE WITH THEM BEFORE THAT HAPPENS. WE TRY TO ATTEMPT ROLL CALLS. DWI ROLL CALLS, NIGHT SHIFT ROLL CALLS. A LOT OF THAT HAPPENS. WE PASS OUT A LOT OF BUSINESS CARDS. WE GAIN INFORMATION FROM THOSE FOLKS. WE GIVE THEM OUR CONTACT, STUFF TO LOOK FOR IF THEY'RE RESPONDING TO A CRASH SCENE THAT WE MIGHT NOT EITHER BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT NIGHT OR THEY DON'T NEED US THAT NIGHT. THEY MIGHT CALL US AND SAY, "JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL COULD FOLLOW UP IN THE MORNING, THAT'D BE GREAT." BUT WE CAN DO SOME EDUCATIONAL STUFF. WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE, KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WEARING FOR US. BECAUSE WHEN WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE VIDEO, WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE WEARING, DO THEY HAVE A RECEIPT IN THEIR POCKET? DO THEY HAVE OPEN CONTAINERS IN THE VEHICLE? IF SO, HOW MANY? ARE THEY COLD TO THE TOUCH OR ARE THEY HOT TO THE TOUCH? WAS IT IN A COOLER, WAS IT NOT? THOSE THINGS ARE ALL IMPORTANT [NOISE] STUFF THAT CAN BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO OUR INVESTIGATION ON THE FOLLOW-UP THAT WE TRY TO DO PROACTIVELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING SOMETHING OR EVIDENCE DOESN'T SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS. IT'S HARD ONCE A BODY GOES TO THE MEDICAL EXAMINER'S OFFICE. SOME STUFF IS LOST. THINGS ARE TOWED. STUFF'S LEFT IN THE STREET AS MUCH AS THE RECORD GUYS TRY TO PICK IT UP. IT'S DEEMED TRASH. IT'S ALL SALVAGED STUFF. WE ALSO HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED [INAUDIBLE]. I'M NOT SURE TO WHAT EXTENT GALVESTON PD AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE USE IT. IT'S NOT REQUIRED IN THE STATE. BUT I'M SURE YOU GET THE [INAUDIBLE] REPORT AS WELL. THE AGENCIES THAT COOPERATE WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] PROGRAM, ANYTIME THERE'S A DWI ARREST, WHETHER IT'S ACCIDENT RELATED, FATAL, NON-FATAL, OR JUST A DWI ARREST, INPUT THE INFORMATION INTO IT A STATE-WIDE SYSTEM CALLED [INAUDIBLE]. THAT SYSTEM THEN TRACKS THE LOCATIONS. IF THEY ASK QUESTIONS, "HEY, WHERE WERE YOU COMING FROM," AND THEY CAN IDENTIFY THAT LOCATION, THEY CAN THROW IT IN THERE. IT'LL TELL US AND IT'LL PRIORITIZE ON A COLOR CODING SYSTEM, GREEN, YELLOW, RED. WHERE THE LOCATIONS WERE. I'LL START TO TELL YOU HOW MANY DWIS ARE COMING OUT OF A SPECIFIC LOCATION. IT'S A WAY FOR THE PDS TO LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITHOUT [01:55:01] NECESSARILY HAVING TO SEND US AN EMAIL AND WE CAN SELF INITIATE A COMPLAINT. WE ARE COMPLAINT DRIVEN, BUT THAT IS DEEMED THE COMPLAINT BECAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE LOCAL PDS USE OF LEADERS. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIVE DWIS IN A MONTH OUT OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR BAR. THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO TAKE A LOOK. THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE VERSUS A ONE-OFF HERE AND THERE. IF IT'S A CONSISTENT PATTERN, THEN WE CAN SELF INITIATE OUR OWN COMPLAINT. >> HOW CAN THE CITY HELP YOU ASSIST YOU? YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE ORDINATES THAT HOUSTON HAS, IN FACT, NOT THE VIDEO CAMERAS. HOW ELSE CAN THE CITIES HELP YOU AND ASSIST YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING OUT THERE? >> AS FAR AS THE TRACE GOES, I WAS SPEAKING WITH THE CHIEF EARLIER, THE CDPDS HAS BEEN FANTASTIC. WE RUN INTO SOMETIMES PEOPLE AREN'T SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING, ESPECIALLY AS TOC COMING INTO THEIR INVESTIGATION, BUT THE CITY OF GALVESTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN FANTASTIC, VERY COOPERATIVE AND COLLABORATIVE. WE DON'T SURVIVE WITHOUT THEM. THEN WE TRY TO BE AN ASSIST TO YOUR LOCAL FOLKS HERE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANYBODY'S TOES OR TAKEOVER AN INVESTIGATION. WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS HELPFUL AS WE CAN. IN REGARDS TO JUST CITY ORDINANCE AS A WHOLE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WERE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS REQUIRED VIDEO FOR ANYBODY THAT HELD A PERMIT IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON. EVEN IF IT'S ONLY ON THE OUTSIDE, IT'S BETTER THAN A LOT OF WHAT WE HAVE BECAUSE I KNOW THE CITY WILL THEN GO AFTER THE ONES THAT DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AND THEY'LL TAKE AWAY THEIR OCCUPANCY PERMIT. NOW IT'S NOT INCUMBENT ON LOSING THE ALCOHOL PERMIT. IT'S THE CITY THAT'S TAKEN AWAY THEIR OCCUPANCY, AND SO IT SOLVES THE SAME PROBLEM WHERE IT IS NOW CLOSED. IT HAS ALREADY COME UP WHERE SOME OF THESE PLACES AREN'T RUNNING VIDEO AS THEY SHOULD. THAT CAN BE A BENEFICIAL TOOL. VIDEO IS VERY IMPORTANT. LIKE I SAID, NOT THE END-ALL BE-ALL, BUT IF WE HAD IT, THE CHANCES OF SUCCESS ARE HIGHER, ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS RETAINED FOR A SPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT, AS I SAID BEFORE, NOT PROVIDING RECORDS IS IN ITSELF A VIOLATION. OUR CODE RECENTLY CHANGED FOR A FAIL TO PROVIDE RECORDS. IS ELIGIBLE FOR 30 DAYS SUSPENSION OF THE PERMANENT. KNOWING THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THOSE RECORDS, IF WE CAN INTERFACE WITH SOMEBODY LIKE THE CITY TO SAY, WELL, WE KNOW THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THEM. THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEM. IF THEY'RE GIVEN THEM TO YOU ALL, BUT THEY'RE NOT GIVING THEM TO US, WE CAN GO FROM THAT ANGLE FOR A SUSPENSION THERE. BUT AS FAR AS THE LOCAL RESPONSE GOES IN INFORMING US OF WHAT'S GOING ON, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION AS FAR AS THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT GOES BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN FANTASTIC ABOUT KEEPING US INFORMED. WE WERE JUST TALKING EARLIER. SOMETIMES NEWS ON THE ISLAND IS MEANT FOR THE ISLAND AND DOESN'T MAKE IT BACK TO THE MAINLAND, WHETHER THAT'S BY CHOICE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. BUT THE CHIEF AND HIS FOLKS HAVE BEEN GREAT ABOUT WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE TRACE UNIT OR THROUGH ENFORCEMENT. JUST THROUGH THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE BUILT AND REPORT. HEY, SHOOT US AN EMAIL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT THIS. IF YOU ALL DID, NO HARM, NO FOUL. IF YOU-ALL DIDN'T, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK. WE'VE BEEN GETTING THOSE MORE AND MORE OFTEN. >> THAT'S GOOD. BE PROACTIVE. >> THAT WAS ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION TOO, IS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT SOME NUMBERS. A LOT OF TIMES WE AS A TABC, CAN COME IN AND DO OUR JOB AND WE LEAVE AND NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA THAT WE WERE THERE. [LAUGHTER] LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT SOMETIMES DOES. WE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE MAY BE IN TOWN, SOMETIMES WE DO NOT DO THAT. DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. BUT JUST IN GALVESTON COUNTY ALONE, JUST LAST YEAR, WE DID APPROXIMATELY 550 INSPECTIONS JUST IN GALVESTON COUNTY AND OVER 230 OF THOSE WERE IN AN UNDERCOVER CAPACITY. A LOT OF TIMES WE ARE HERE AND WE'RE WORKING AND WE ARE DOING A LOT OF STUFF, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE WALK IN AND WE DO AN UNDERCOVER OPERATION AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT OPERATION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WALK AND TELL THE BARTENDER OR THE OWNER THAT HE WERE JUST HERE. YOU DID GUYS A GREAT JOB, OR HEY, WE'RE HERE. GREAT JOB. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT. A LOT OF TIMES WE COME IN, WE DO THINGS. LIKE I SAID A MINUTE AGO, WE WORK HAND-IN-HAND VERY CLOSELY WITH ALL OUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS, STATE AND LOCAL FEDERAL BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD DO IT ALL OURSELVES. >> HOW MANY UNDERCOVER PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE? BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A DAUNTING JOB. >> WELL, AND THAT'S ANOTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. [NOISE] WE HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT 40 AGENTS, BUT THAT'S COVERING OVER I THINK ABOUT 31 COUNTIES, SO THAT'S NOT A LOT. TO DO AN UNDERCOVER OPERATION, IT'S A BARE MINIMUM OF FIVE PEOPLE AND I MAY ONLY GET TO 2-4 LOCATIONS IN THOSE FIVE PEOPLE IN A 10-12 HOUR SHIFT. SOMETIMES THOSE OPERATIONS TAKE 10-12 PEOPLE AND MAY ONLY GO TO ONE LOCATION AND MAY GO FOR SIX MONTHS AND IT'S MULTIPLE VISITS. [02:00:03] THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES. WE TAKE THEM HEADLONG AND RUN WITH THEM. A LOT OF THE LEADERSHIP HERE IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA, THE GULF COAST AREA HAS BEEN WITH THE COMMISSION FOR A LONG TIME SO WE'VE SEEN THOSE CHALLENGES BEFORE. WE STARTED OUR CAREERS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE AND WE SEE WHAT WORKS IN THOSE AREAS AND WHAT MAY WORK DOWN HERE, MAYBE NOT. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ALL THOSE. WE LOOK AT A CHALLENGE AND GO UP HERE, THAT'S FINE. HOW CAN WE GET AROUND IT AND WHAT CAN WE DO? ANOTHER ANSWER TO SOMEONE'S QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL, WE DEVELOP FRIENDSHIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT SPAN LIFETIMES. WE GET PHONE CALLS AND THERE'S A FEW GUYS THAT WORKED FOR US THAT USED TO WORK DOWN HERE WHEN THEY STARTED THEIR CAREER SO THEY'VE GOT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS AND THINGS AND THEY GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME. THERE'S ALWAYS THOSE OPEN CHANNELS COMMUNICATION. >> VERY GOOD. I WANT TO THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN FOR COMING DOWN. APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW THIS MESS YOUR SCHEDULE UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT GLAD TO HAVE YOU AND LEARNED A LOT. BRIAN, OUR CHIEF, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT BEFORE THESE GENTLEMEN LEAVE? [INAUDIBLE] >> [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU GUYS. THAT IS CERTAINLY HELPFUL. WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF GRATITUDE FOR DOING A LOT OF THE FOOT WORK ON THESE PAST INVESTIGATION. >> WILLIAM. >> I'M REALLY INTRIGUED ON THE HOUSTON ORDINANCE. I THINK I REMEMBER SEEING THAT LAST SUMMER, BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. IT WASN'T JUST BARS. IT WAS A WHOLE LIST OF CONVENIENCE STORE BAR, SMOKE SHOP, LIKE THE OLD STORE. IT WAS A LIST. BUT ALSO TO GO WITH IT WAS ADEQUATE LIGHTING FOR THESE BUSINESSES TO PROVIDE THE ACTUAL IMAGES. NOW, SEEMS A GREAT IDEA. I TOLD A LITTLE CONVENIENCE STORE ON THE CORNER, YOU NEED TO SPEND $2,000 ON SURVEILLANCE. I THINK THAT IT'S A NOVEL IDEA TO LOOK AT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE WITH COUPLE OF OUR BUSINESSES AROUND THE ISLAND. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO HEAD IN THAT DIRECTION WITH. LIGHTING WOULD HELP OUT IN SOME OF THESE AREAS BECAUSE THEY'RE MINOR DISTRICT, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, MIXED-USE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE BURDEN ON BUSINESS LIKE THAT, BUT IT WOULD HELP, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE SAW IN CASE SOMEBODY KILLED ON A BICYCLE ON EASTER ISLAND. I DON'T KNOW IF ALCOHOL IS RELATED TO THAT OR NOT, BUT NOT KNOWS IT WAS HARD TO GET FOOTAGE OR WHATEVER SEE WHO THE VICTIM OR SEE WHO THE ACTUAL DRIVER WAS AND ALL THAT. I KNOW ALONG THAT ROUTE YOU DO HAVE THESE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES THAT POP UP ALONG BROADWAY, SEAWALL, AND WHATNOT. JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT IS I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ALL DOING. IT'S WONDERFUL, BUT THE PROBLEM IS WE CAN GIVE EVERYBODY INFINITE RESOURCES TO HANDLE DUIS AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT FALLS BACK ON EDUCATION AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S WHAT THESE ACCIDENTS, WE CAN HELP YOU GO OVER THESE ACCIDENTS, BUT THE PREVENTATIVE, THERE'S ALWAYS SO MUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN DO, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO AS A CITY. IT REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY THEN YOU SEE IT TO WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE. MOST OF THEM WEREN'T EVEN FROM OUR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE HAVE SEVEN MILLION VISITORS. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE INSIDE IS JUST MAYBE SOME OF THESE REACTIVE STEPS WHICH WILL HELP YOU. BUT PROACTIVE IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO EDUCATION. BOTTOM LINE, YOU CAN PUT THOUSAND COPS ON THE STREET. [NOISE] PROBABLY STILL WOULD UNFORTUNATELY STILL HAD THAT ACCIDENT THE OTHER DAY. BUT I WILL SAY WHICH I HAD A CONSTITUENT, AND I GUESS IT'S MORE OF LIKE A QUESTION, MAKES SOME COMMENTS. I DID HAVE A CONSTITUENT EMAIL. I DID OPEN RECORD REQUEST. THEY SENT IN SOME STATS. I JUST GOT A 730. I'LL EMAIL IT TO DANNELL. SHE CAN JUST MAIL IT OR GIVE IT OUT TO COUNCIL. I GUESS IT'S JUST ME TRYING TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS, CHIEF. THE COORDINATE OF THEIR DATA, WE SAW THE DROP-OFF OF ACTUAL DUIS ISSUED IN 2022 TO 2021. SO FAR, ACCORDING TO THEIR INFORMATION, I'LL SEND IT OUT TO CITY SECRETARY. GET IT TO YOU. THEIR BIG QUESTION IS, WE HAVE THIS PUSH ON DUI THIS YEAR. WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENED IN LAST YEAR. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF, I GUESS YOU'D SAY AS MANY ACTIVITIES WE HAVE NOW AS FAR AS FESTIVALS, THINGS LIKE THAT OR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS SO THEY'RE WONDERING WHERE THIS DROP-OFF COMES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED MORE HELP ON? IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH EDUCATION, BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT THEIR NUMBERS TO WHY THIS MONTH WHEN WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS 30 PERCENT DOWN FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, [02:05:04] 40 PERCENT DOWN, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE DO SEE AN EMPHASIS. I'LL SEND THESE OUT. THEY DID OPEN RECORDS REQUEST FOR THAT. LIKE I JUST SAID, YOU COULD HAVE A THOUSAND COPS AND A LOT OF THESE ACCIDENTS ARE STILL GOING TO HAPPEN. I JUST WONDERED IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT DATA. THAT MIGHT HELP YOU IN YOUR JOB OR WHATNOT. THAT'S JUST SOME INFORMATION I HAD AND JUST REALLY JUST ANSWER WHY WE SEE THAT DROP WHEN WE HAVEN'T HAD AS MUCH GOING ON IN THE YEARS PRIOR THAN WE DO NOW AND WE'RE STILL SEEING DUI, ACCIDENT AND WHATNOT. >> I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DATA YOU HAVE. I HAVE PROVIDED DATA THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I THINK WE'RE AVERAGING SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 IMPAIRED DRIVING ARRESTS PER MONTH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SINCE AUGUST 19TH, WE'VE HAD 73 ARRESTS FOR IMPAIRED DRIVING. I THINK THAT THE TEAM IS DOING VERY, VERY WELL. THE DROP-OFF COULD DIRECTLY CORRELATE TO VACANCIES AND OUR RESPONSE TO JUST OUR REGULAR CALLS FOR SERVICE. WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, YOU TEND TO HAVE A LOWER RESPONSE OR A LOWER SELF-INITIATED ACTIVITY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT PROBABLE CAUSE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT TRAFFIC STOP TO BE ABLE TO STOP THAT IMPAIRED DRIVER. SOME OF THAT GOES DOWN AS WELL. THE MEN AND WOMEN ARE DOING A GREAT JOB RIGHT NOW [OVERLAPPING] AND THEY REALLY ARE IN AND WE NEED IT RIGHT NOW MORE THAN EVER. BUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND LOOKING AT THINGS, WORKING WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY UNIT AND WE FEEL WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TO NUMBERS THAT WE'VE JUST NEVER HAD BEFORE. THE OVERALL TRAFFIC SAFETY ENFORCEMENT IS KEY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DRIVE AROUND YOU SEE THAT GUY RUN THE RED LIGHT, TWO SECONDS AFTER A TURN AND YOU SEE PEOPLE SPEEDING AND YOU SEE PEOPLE RUNNING STOP SIGNS AND JUST DRIVING IN UNSAFE MANNERS. OUR FOCUS HAS TO BE THAT, BECAUSE [NOISE] THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THE PROBABLE CAUSE STOPS THAT MAKE THESE CASES STICK. WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, 24 HOURS A DAY AND HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 14-16 OFFICERS SOLELY LOOKING AT TRAFFIC RELATED ACTIVITIES, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A BIG DROP AND I THINK THAT GALVESTON WILL BECOME THE PLACE KNOWN FOR, DON'T GO DOWN THERE AND DO THAT. [NOISE] WATCH YOUR DRIVING. REALLY, THE CITY PROVIDES SO MUCH. YOU CAN COME DOWN HERE, PARK YOUR CAR AT A HOTEL, AND FOR $1, GET ANYWHERE FROM MOODY GARDENS ALL THE WAY TO DOWNTOWN, AND IF YOU'RE OUT PAST 10:00, IT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN A $12 UBER RIDE. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. I PAID $15 FROM 17 TO [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE]. THERE'S NO EXCUSE. >> THERE'S NO EXCUSE. >> I APPRECIATE. THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE ME. GREAT. >> I KNOW I'VE DONE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES, CALLED 911 WHEN I SEE SOMEBODY THAT I THINK IS INTOXICATED OR IT COULD BE A MEDICAL YOU DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE SWERVING. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT TO ALL OUR CITIZENS, BECAUSE WE COULD STOP SOME THINGS BY [NOISE] REPORTING SOMETHING YOU OBSERVE. I'VE DONE IT ON 45, ON THE SEAWALL, IN HOUSTON. BECAUSE IF THE PERSON ISN'T INTOXICATED, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON BECAUSE WHY ELSE WOULD THEY BE SWERVING ALL OVER? BUT PEOPLE REALLY DO NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN THIS AS WELL. >> I AGREE. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS MR. SCHUSTER SAYS, IS VERY IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO PEER RESPONSIBILITY. DON'T ALLOW YOUR FRIENDS TO DO IT. DON'T ALLOW [NOISE] THEM TO MAKE A BAD DECISION THAT COULD AFFECT NOT ONLY THEIR LIVES, BUT OTHERS AS WELL. [NOISE] EDUCATION, MARISSA AND SHARICE HAVE WORKED TO DEVELOP, AT LEAST TWO VIDEOS NOW THAT WE'VE PUT OUT AND THEY'RE REALLY GOOD, REALLY IMPACTFUL. BUT EDUCATION IS A BIG DEAL AND I THINK THAT WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS [NOISE] TO PREVENT THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND TAKING A MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH WORKING WITH THE RIDESHARE COMPANIES AND THE TAXI COMPANIES. IF ALL ELSE FAILS, PUT IT OUT THERE, CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN ALLOW US TO HELP YOU GET A RIDE AND WE WILL TRY TO CONTACT SOMEONE. WE WANT TO GET YOU HOME, [02:10:02] WE DON'T WANT YOU ON THE STREET AND JAIL IS NOT OUR PRIORITY. IT'S STOPPING YOU FROM GETTING BEHIND THE WHEEL TO BEGIN WITH. >> YEAH. I AGREE. >> I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. PART OF THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WANTED TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO THOSE WHO COME HERE. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE. WHAT ABOUT ADDING EXTRA SIGNAGE TO GALVESTON? WELCOME BUT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE DWIS OR WHATEVER. HAS THAT BEEN PART OF THE THINKING PROCESS? ANY EXTRA SIGNAGE? >> INITIALLY TXDOT HELPED US OUT WITH SIGNAGE ON THE WAY IN AND THEY PUT THAT MESSAGE OUT FOR HOLIDAY WEEKEND. WHICH WAS GREAT AND HELPFUL, ROBINSON'S HELPED US WITH THAT. BUT SIGNAGE IS ALWAYS A GREAT WAY [NOISE] TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE AS WELL AS THE MOVABLE TRAFFIC SIGNS THAT YOU CAN PROGRAM WHATEVER. >> DID YOU PLAN ON SEEING THIS? >> YES, MA'AM. >> BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT A BIG SIGN IT SAYS, "YES YOU'RE WELCOME HERE. BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO THE PROSECUTE." >> YES, MA'AM. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND] BRIAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY MORE THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> YEA. WE COVERED IT ON THE FLOOR. [NOISE] >> THANK YOU, SIR. [NOISE] >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. [BACKGROUND] >> I CAN GET IN HERE AS WELL, DOWN HERE. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> THAT'S WHY I SAID [LAUGHTER]. >> VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT. NELLY LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 13B IF WE COULD PLEASE. [13.B. Short Term Rental Discussion (Brown/Frazier - 45 min) Short Term Rental Software and Emergency Call Center Short Term Rental Registration, Regulations and other Related Topics] >> YES SIR ITEM 13 B, SHORT-TERM RENTAL DISCUSSION. [NOISE] >> COUNCIL WANTED TO BRYSON COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD, SIR. HAVE A SEAT. [BACKGROUND] >> DOES THIS TAKE A LITTLE BIT HARD. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]. >> BRYSON HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE COME ON OUT HAVE A SEAT. [OVERLAPPING] YOU SEAT HERE? >> YES. >> OKAY. [BACKGROUND] >> NO WORRIES. >> NO, YOU'RE GOOD. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOUR NAME. YEAH I'M ALL RIGHT. >> IT'S ALL THAT MATTERS, WE'VE GOT BIG SPEAKERS. I HAVE MY CAR IN HIGH SCHOOL. >> YEAH. >> COUNCIL, THIS SUBJECT IS ON OUR AGENDA. WE'VE BEEN FACING TO DISCUSSION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR A LITTLE WHILE HERE. WE STARTED WITH OUR REGISTRATION FEE, STARTED WITH CHANGING THE ORDINATES TO ADDRESS PLATFORMS REMITTING PAYMENTS TO THE CITY. WE'RE NOW INTO THE NEXT PHASE. HERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. PART BOARD WAS LOOKING AT, PUTTING OUT AN RFP FOR SOFTWARE, FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION AND OTHER RELATED TOPICS. THE PART BOARD HAS SOME THOUGHTS ON SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING CONCERNING THIS. THIS IS OUR NEXT PHASE OF STARTING THIS DISCUSSION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RENTAL REGISTRATION FEES AS WE GO ALONG. I'D LIKE TO BRING UP ABOUT PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. BUT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW, BRYSON, AND WE MOVE FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSELORS. SO HAPPY TO BE HERE. THANKS FOR GIVING UP YOUR TIME TO HEAR ME TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN. THE VENDOR IS WITH US. HE'S GOING TO BE SHOWING A DEMONSTRATION OF THE SOFTWARE. HE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. HE'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF DEMO SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THEN HE'S GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CALL CENTER AND A TYPICAL CALL FLOW FOR A COMPLAINT THAT MIGHT GO INTO A CALL CENTER. WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO MATT NINE AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO REHASH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN JUNE OF WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THE OTHER CITIES IN TERMS OF REGISTRATION. IN TERMS OF THEIR FEE STRUCTURE AND THEN THEIR CALL CENTER AND SELF COMPLIANCE PROGRAM. IF WE COULD, NICK I THINK IS ON THE LINE, NICK DID YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND SEE IF YOU COULD GET YOUR POWERPOINTS STARTED. HE HAS A SEPARATE POWERPOINT BUT THAT'S OKAY. IF YOU CAN SHARE YOUR SCREEN. IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> YEAH. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. IF WHOEVER'S THE HOST COULD GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO SHARE MY SCREEN I WILL SHARE WITH YOU ALL. MY NAME IS NICK DEL PEGIL. [02:15:02] I AM THE CEO, DECKARD TECHNOLOGIES, FORMER MILITARY VET, MATHEMATICIAN AND DATA SCIENTIST. WE'VE BEEN HELPING CITIES WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SOLUTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I ENJOY WHAT I DO AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HELPING THE CITIES THAT TAKE THE KIND OF ILLNESSES YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PROFESSIONALLY, TO DO IT RIGHT, AND ACHIEVE SOME REALLY GREAT RESULTS. LET'S SEE IF I CAN SHARE NOW. I HAVE DISABLED SHARING ON HERE. THE HOST RIGHT TO THE ZOOM CALL. >> GREEN BOX, SHARE SCREEN. >> I'M HOPING YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME; IS THAT CORRECT? >>YEAH. >> IF YOU CAN HEAR ME GREAT. I CAN NOW SHARE. THE SHARING RIGHTS HAVE BEEN GRANTED. >> ALL RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] >> ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO DO, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU WERE JUST HAVING. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING HERE IS OUTREACH AND EDUCATION, ENFORCEMENT, COMPLIANCE, RUNNING A HEALTHY PROGRAM. REALLY IS ABOUT GETTING TO ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE MIX. TO START YOU OFF AND POINT THEM ON THE TOOL, I'LL TALK ABOUT THE KINDS OF PEOPLE AND THE NUANCES TO HOW TO APPROACH AND GET EVERYONE INTO COMPLIANT. ALL THE WAY FROM THE PERSON ON THE LEFT, [NOISE] THESE ARE YOUR CURRENTLY REGISTERED, WELL OPERATING PROFESSIONAL OPERATORS DOING STRS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE PERSON ON THE RIGHT WHO IS GOING TO BE THE VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE THE SUPER PROBLEMATIC POST AND OWNERS. WE WANT PEOPLE DOING THE RIGHT THING. ONE, SERVE AS A GREAT EXAMPLE AND ALSO FROM A WELL-RUN PROGRAM, THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO BENEFIT THE MOST. THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO BY WEEDING OUT THE BAD ACTORS, BY GETTING EVERYBODY TO PLAY ON THE SAME TERMS AND RULES STAND TO BENEFIT MOST EQUITABLY FROM A WELL-RUN PROGRAM. A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS RECENTLY, SO AS YOU PUT MORE PUBLICITY AND PRACTICE YOU'RE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A POSITIVE. THEY'RE RUNNING A SMALL BUSINESS IN YOUR TOWN. SO THE OUTREACH GET THEM ALERTED, THEY HAVE TO GO RIGHT INTO THEIR BUSINESS. THERE ARE RULES TO FOLLOW AND THEY'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO BECOME COMPLIANT AND WANT TO HELP WITH THIS. SO WHAT WE DO, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE TOOL IN A MINUTE, IS WE MONITOR 10,000 SITES. ALL THE BIG PLAYERS, BOUGHT THEM A LITTLE PROPERTY MANAGER PLAYERS. WE FIGURE OUT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTIES, WHERE THEY'RE RENTING, WHEN THEY'RE RENTING, WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT WE CAN GET IN FRONT OF THEM. SO THAT WE CAN SEND THEM A LETTER AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE'S A RULE TO FOLLOW, BUT THERE'S A WAY TO DO BUSINESS PROPERLY IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON. OF COURSE, A WELL-ROUNDED PROGRAM. IT'S GOING TO PUT THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE LIKE YOU'D HAVE BEEN RECENTLY. YOU'RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW AND YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THAT EDUCATION WILL HELP YOU TRACK THAT INFORMATION, BUT JUST THAT OUTREACH IS IMPORTANT. THEN I KIND OF PERSONAL FINDING IS THE PERSON WHO IS BUSY. LIKE MYSELF, I'M A BUSY GUY, I DO A LOT OF THINGS. NOTHING IS MORE FRUSTRATING THAN WALKING INTO A COMPLICATED FORM. TO GO INTO A WEBSITE AND SEEING A DIFFICULT PROCESS. A LOT OF THIS IS ABOUT KEEPING THINGS STREAMLINED, ABOUT KEEPING THINGS SIMPLE. SO THE PORTALS THAT WE HAVE CONFIGURABLE FOR EACH CLIENT TO HELP MAKE REGISTRATION AND THAT HOT TAX PAYMENT EASY TO HELP GET INFORMATION OUT THERE IN A CONCISE WAY REALLY HELPS CROSS THE GAP. THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGEST GAPS WE SEE. THE SINGLE OPERATOR WHO IS NOT A BIG PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER MIGHT STRUGGLE WITH HOW TO FILL OUT THE VERY COMPLICATED FORMS, SO WE TRY TO SIMPLIFY THIS DOWN TO MAKE IT SUPER EASY. WE CAN GET PAST THAT. THAT ACTUALLY COVERS THE MAJORITY OF LOSE RENTING PROPERTY. MOST PEOPLE HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS BEING COMPLIANT WHEN THEY KNOW AND IT'S EASY TO DO. WE DO RATHER DO A FEW PEOPLE WHO IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S LACK OF ENFORCEMENT, LACK OF CLARITY, WHO WAIT UNTIL YOU BUST THEM. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY NEFARIOUS ACTORS, BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ON TOP OF YOUR A GAME THEY WILL WAIT IT OUT UNTIL YOU LET THEM KNOW. SO THIS IS WHERE USING MODERN COMPUTER AND DATA SCIENCE AND HAVING A GOOD PROGRAM BOTH ON OUR END PROVIDING YOU THE INFORMATION ON THE CITIES AND ALLOWS FOR US TO REALLY LET THESE PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'RE BEING WATCHED AND IF THEY TRY TO HOLD OUT THAT WE WILL FIND THEM. WE SEE THAT IN THIS FEW PROGRAMS THAT VERY FEW OF THESE ACTORS ARE LAUGHING. VERY QUICKLY THESE FOLKS WILL JUMP INTO [02:20:02] THOSE PREVIOUS CATEGORIES AND THEY JUST BECOME COMPLIANT. THE LAST PERSON THAT WE DEAL WITH, AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ABILITY TO DEAL WITH IS THE HABITUAL, "I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT NO MATTER WHAT." THESE TEND TO BE VERY FEW FOLKS OPERATING. WE HANDLE SIMILAR SIZE AND EVEN LARGER SIZED JURISDICTIONS WITH TONS OF RENTAL AND WE FIND THAT OUT OF THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF RENTALS THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF THIS LEFT. THIS IS NOT YOUR LARGEST GROUP OF FOLKS, BUT OFTENTIMES THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE ALL READ NEWS ARTICLES ABOUT. THIS IS THE ONE THAT HITS THE STREET. THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS THE BLIGHT TO THE WELL-RUN OPERATIONS OF YOUR LOCAL LODGING INDUSTRY. SO BLUSHING THESE FOLKS OUT IS PARAMOUNT TO MAKING SURE THAT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS HEALTHY AND RUNNING WELL. WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE? JUST A COUPLE OF OUR CLIENTS. PLACER IS IN THE TITLE REGION. THIS IS VERY RURAL. VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S TUCKED UNDER TREES. THEY RUN A BREAK TOWARD THE PROGRAM, THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT FOR YEARS. THEY WERE RUNNING WITHOUT, GREAT COMPLIANCE WAS STARTED A FEW YEARS BACK AND THEN WE'VE GOT THEM ACHIEVING WELL. LA QUINTA, WHICH OPERATES A MORE SIMILAR GEOGRAPHY TO WHERE YOU'RE AT AND WHERE THE KINDS OF HOMES IN THE LAYOUT. SIMILAR THING IS THAT THEY RUN A VERY PROFESSIONAL PROGRAM. THEY'D GONE THROUGH OTHER ASSISTANCE WITH DATA IN THE PAST. EFFECTIVELY NOT EVERY MONTH THEY JUMP UP TO 100 PERCENT COMPLIANT, BUT THIS IS A RAPIDLY CHANGING INDUSTRY. EVERY MONTH THERE'S NEW RENTALS. WE HELP FIND THEM, BRING THEM BACK INTO COMPLIANCE AND THEY'RE RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP. AND WHAT I SAY ABOUT BOTH OF THESE GUYS IS THEIR TOTS ARE UP AND COMPLAINS ARE DOWN. THEIR INDUSTRIES THAT ARE RUNNING IN A VERY HEALTHY FASHION. LOOKING TO THE TEN PERCENT OF THE COMPLAINT VOLUME THAT THEY WERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE FLUSHED OUT THE 30 PERCENT OF THE ILLEGAL AND NON-COMPLIANT OPERATORS. THOSE WHO THEY HAVE REGISTERED REALLY DON'T SEE VERY MANY PROBLEMS. BUT WITH THAT LET ME SWITCH MY SHARING. I WILL SHARE THE PLATFORM ITSELF. WHILE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE CITY OF GALVESTON, AND DETAILS, AND THE DATA WILL MATURE OVER THE UPCOMING COUPLE OF MONTHS. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL JUMP RIGHT INTO YOUR STUDIO. I HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO [INAUDIBLE] DECIDE WHO'S HAPPY FOR ME TO DO A BIT OF DEMONSTRATION THERE AS LONG AS THEY DON'T SHARE CERTAIN DETAILS. BUT I CAN SHOW YOU A MORE MATURE CLIENT IF I NEED TO. BUT WHAT DO WE SEE HERE IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON. THERE'S 7100 CURRENT DOOR TERM RENTAL LISTINGS ON THE MAJOR PLATFORMS FLOATING IN THE SYSTEM ALREADY. THERE'S A LOT MORE PROPERTIES IN THIS. WHAT WE'LL BE DOING OVER THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, JUST TAKING ALL OF THESE LISTINGS AND FINDING THE EXACT GALVESTON OUTREACH. THE SYSTEM ITSELF, WHAT IS IT DOING? SO IT'S WATCHING EVERY SINGLE ADVERTISEMENT WE'VE EVER SEEN EVERY SINGLE NIGHT IN YOU'RE SITTING. WE LAUNCHED THE CALENDARS FOR ACTIVITIES THAT WE CAN DETECT WHEN BOOKINGS ARE MADE, WHEN THEY'RE TAKEN, THE PRICE POINTS PEOPLE ARE OPERATING. THIS ALLOWS US TO DIFFERENTIATE SOMEONE WHO'S RUNNING THESE THINGS LIKE A HOTEL 290 YEAR AND THE PERSON WHO MAYBE RENTS ONE WEEK A YEAR WHILE THEY'RE TAKING THEIR VACATION ELSEWHERE. THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE TO THE DETAILS. THE REALTORS WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND TELL WHEN SOMEONE'S RENTING A MAIN STRUCTURE OR THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. WE CAN LOOK AT IT. PREVIOUSLY RENTED PROPERTY IS NOT ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. IF YOU LOOK AT HOTELS, AND TIMESHARES, AND OTHER ITEMS WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE THE LICENSED AND THE UNLICENSED SPACE AND MAKE IT REALLY EASY TO FOCUS ON QUESTIONS WITH PROBLEMS AND THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE OF INTEREST OF RUNNING A GOOD PROGRAM. FOR EACH CLIENT WE CREATE A VIOLATION ENGINE. I'LL GO INTO MORE NUANCE HERE. BUT WHAT THE VIOLATION ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO LOOK FOR ALL THE DATA POINTS. IS THE PROPERTY LICENSED? WHO'S OPERATING WITHOUT A LICENSE? IF THERE'S OCCUPANCY RULES TO GET PAST, ARE THEY ADVERTISING FOR A 20 PERSON BY PULLING A TWO-BEDROOM PLACE AND THAT STREAMS PARTY HOUSE? THAT VIOLATES OUR RULES, SO WE CAN TRACK THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE VARIOUS THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO [INAUDIBLE] RULES AND RUN A HEALTHY OPERATION. WE CAN TRACK AND WE MAKE IT EASY TO SEE BOTH VISUALLY AND THEN WITH THE DATA BACKGROUND. WHAT WE SEE IN CERTAIN PLACES IS PEOPLE WILL BE ON AIRBNB AS A LONG-TERM RENTAL. THEY'RE NOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS. EXCEPT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR WHEN THERE'S A MAJOR EVENT AND THEY TURN ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL MARKET. SO THAT DAILY MONITORING ALLOWS US TO CAPTURE THE NUANCE OF PEOPLE COMING ON AND OFF MARKET. AND WHAT THIS ALLOWS ME TO DO IS IT DRIVES RIGHT IN EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY AND LISTING WE'VE SEEN. THE BLUE DOTS ARE PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AND THOSE YELLOW DOTS ARE THINGS THAT MY TEAM HAS. [02:25:04] A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DATA FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE WORKING ON TURNING INTO BLUE AND RED DOTS. BLUE ARE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT ARE REGISTERED, OR LICENSED, OR PERMITTED. THE RED ONES ARE THE ONES WE'VE FOUND ADDRESSES FOR, BUT THEN WE CURRENTLY DON'T SHOW OUR PERMIT. WE'VE RECENTLY LOADED YOUR PERMIT INTO THAT DATA WAS ALWAYS CLEANED AND ORGANIZED RIGHT NOW. SO EVERYTHING IN HERE WORKS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE CAN GO RIGHT DOWN AND SEE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY DETAILS. WE CAN GET A LITTLE CARD HERE. WE CAN TELL WHAT'S THE THING. THIS GUY HAS ADVERTISED ON VRBO, HE'S ADVERTISED ON AIRBNB, STRUCTURE AND THE DETAILS PRE-LOADED RIGHT HERE. THEN WE CAN JUMP IN, SEE THE DETAILS ABOUT THE PROPERTY. WE SHARE THE CALENDAR OBSERVATIONS, WHOSE PROPERTY IS VERY BUSY? HE'S RENTING PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEKEND THIS MONTH. WE CAN SEE WHEN THE RENTAL WAS TAKEN, THE PRICE WHICH IT WAS TAKEN FOR, WE CAN SEE WHOSE RENTING IN OCTOBER. WE CAN SCROLL BACKWARDS AND LOOK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE. THIS PROPERTY IS LICENSED. WE BOTH TRACK YOUR LICENSE AND THEN WE TRACK WHAT THEY'RE DISPLAYING IN THE ADVERTISEMENT. WE USE COMPUTERS TO CRAWL THROUGH AND EXTRACT LICENSE INFORMATION. IT'S A GREAT DOUBLE-CHECK. UNSURPRISINGLY, THIS ONE DONE BY VACASA. VACASA IS PROBABLY THE LARGEST PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY IN THE US AT THIS POINT. GIGANTIC BEHEMOTH FROM THE INDUSTRY. THEY'RE RUNNING A VERY PROFESSIONAL OPERATION AND TRYING TO TURN OUT A PREMIUM PRODUCT. WE'LL SHOW THAT IN A SECOND. THERE ONE OF THE LARGER OPERATORS IN YOUR CITY. THEN WE GO INTO SOME DETAILS ABOUT THE KIND OF REVENUE SUITABLE THINGS FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY. BUT WE CAN SEE HOW BUSY THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING. HERE'S WHERE YOU SEE THOSE WHITE AND BLUES. NOW, THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO DO IN HERE AS WELL IS WE CATCH OUR HISTORY, THESE ARE LIVING AND BREATHING LISTINGS. IF I CLICK ON ONE OF THIS LINKS, HERE IT'S TAKING ME RIGHT OVER TO THE ACTIVE VRBO OR AIRBNB LISTING THAT ARE LIVE TODAY. BUT THAT CAN GO DOWN ANY MINUTES. THEY CAN TAKE IT OFF MARKET TOMORROW. THEY COULD TRY TO TELL YOU UP AND DOWN. IT'S NEVER STORED FROM RENDERED AS A LONG-TERM RENTAL. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE CAPTURE WEEKLY PDFS. SO WHILE WE STORE ALL THIS DATA IN OUR DATABASES, EVERY LITTLE NUANCE, JUST TO MAKE IT EXTRAORDINARILY EASY, PDFS ARE EASY TO READ, THEY ARE EASY TO PRINT AND DISTRIBUTE, TAKE TO COURT IF NEED BE. THE ONLY WEEKLY COPY OF THEM ALL OF THE EVIDENCE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THESE PROPERTY BALLISTICS. BEYOND THAT, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HERE IS THE VIEWERS. YOU SCROLL LEFT OR RIGHT WITH THE VARIOUS MONTHS. WE'VE GOT WHERE THEY'RE LISTED AND HOW OFTEN THEY'RE TAKING BOOKINGS. AND THEN THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL REVIEWS. REVIEWS ARE SUPER HELPFUL. THEY CONFIRM THE BOOKING. THEY GIVE CONTEXT TO WHAT'S GOING ON. THERE YOU SEE MULTIPLE REVIEWS IN A MONTH. THERE'S NO WAY THAT'S A LONG-TERM RENTAL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T FIT THREE BUMP LOAN REVIEWS INTO ONE MONTH TIME. IT CAPTURES A LOT OF THE EVIDENCE HERE OF WHAT'S GOING ON BOTH FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE AND FROM AN ACTIVITY PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S BOTH DATA. ALL THE STUFF CAN BE EXTRACTED, DOWNLOADED, PUT IN EXCEL, SENT TO OTHER TOOLS, SYSTEMS AND SHARED, AS WELL AS HIGH-LEVEL SUMMARIES OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH DATA. AS OUR DATA GETS ADDRESS IDENTIFIED THE NUMBERS WILL SHIFT A LITTLE BIT AND SOME OF THE GAPS WILL GET FILLED IN A MINUTE, MONTH-AND-A-HALF HERE, YOU CAN ALREADY SEE WHO YOUR LARGER HOSTS ARE. SOME OF THAT'S PROBABLY NOT SURPRISING TO YOU. THERE'S PICASSO SITTING UP IN THE NUMBER TWO SPOT. THIS INFORMATION IS ACCESSIBLE IN TIME TO ANYBODY THAT YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ACCESS TO THE TOOL WITH. IT IS HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE INFORMED AS BEST YOU CAN TO THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE. THE BIG THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE CITIES AND COUNTIES IN THE US IS ALL OF THE INFORMATION TO MAKE SOUND DECISIONS. TO PASS ORDINANCES THAT FIT YOUR NEEDS, TO PASS LAWS AND REGULATIONS TO FIT YOUR NEEDS, TO LET YOU CUT AWAY ANY CANCER AND KEEP ALL OF THE BENEFITS OF A HEALTHY LOSING INDUSTRY IN PLACE. THERE'S A LOT OF NUANCE WITH THAT. THE LIST VIEW'S NOT NEARLY AS FUN, BUT ALL THE DATA'S HERE AND THE LIST CAN BE TAILORED. THEY CAN DO FILTERS, THEY CAN DO DOWNLOAD. IT'S ALL THE DATA IS ACCESSIBLE. THE REAL DATA ACCESSIBLE AND VISUALS DOXA, THE THING THAT I WANT TO GET NITTY-GRITTY HERE, THEY'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT. THEN AS IT'S COME UP, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING DENSITY WHEN WE HAVE CERTAIN JURISDICTION WITH PINTOS. A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS, THE PAINTER HAS 107 DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME ARE HOAS, SOME ARE TOURIST AREAS. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RULES FOR THEIR DENSITY AND THEIR LIMITS. YOU CAN SEE COMMUNITIES LIKE THE HIGHWAY SHOWS ZERO DOTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T ALLOW THEM AND THEY STRICTLY ENFORCE THIS. ONE POPS UP, WE HELP THEM FLUSH IT OUT. WHEREAS OTHER RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH THEY TRACK, [02:30:03] LIKE MONTICELLO UP HERE, THEY ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF RENTAL, BUT THEY'RE WATCHING THE DENSITY VERY CLOSE AND SO THEY KEEP DOWN. THEN OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THESE TWO DOWN HERE ARE TOURISTS COMMERCIAL FRIENDLY. THIS IS MORE OF A FREE-FOR-ALL. THEY EXPECTED THIS TO BE TOURISM ZONES. WE HELP THEM TRACK THEIR DENSITY, WE HELPED THEM TRACK THINGS, WHAT THEY'VE SEEN IN TENURE WITH THAT IS IN THE AREAS THEY WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, 40 PERCENT GROWTH IN THE AREAS THEY WANT TO LIMIT THEM 30 PERCENT DECLINED. THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO STRICTLY ENFORCE THE AREAS THEY DON'T WANT THEM, THEY RUN A VERY NUANCED PROGRAM. GOT A COUPLE OF CLIENTS LIKE THIS AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE'S LOTS OF FLEXIBILITY AND OUR GOAL IS TO HELP PROVIDE RESOURCES TO DATE OF THE INTELLIGENCE TO DO. [NOISE] ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT. BOUNCE BACK. I SHOULD TELL YOU AT ANY POINT, YOU COULD THROW STONES AND ASK QUESTIONS. I'M ALWAYS HAPPY TO BE ON ANYBODY. WE'VE HEARD MORE ON TO. THE LAST THING IS ITS COMPLAINT MITIGATION SO COMPLIANT. I'LL TALK THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND YOUR TEAM HERE TO SET UP AND GET THE CAMERA. ONE AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE EXAMPLES OUT IN THE REAL-WORLD. EASY TO USE COMPLAINT FORMS. IT ALLOWS YOU TO UPLOAD VIDEO AND PHOTOS AND INFORMATION SO THAT IF SOMEONE'S GOT A NOISE ISSUE OR A PARTY ISSUE OR PARKING OR TRAGEDY ISSUE, THEY'RE PARKED IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY AND GET OUT. THEY CAN UPLOAD A PHOTO ON THEIR PHONE. THEY CAN DO IT ON A TABLET COMPUTER. THEY CAN MAKE IT REALLY EASY FOR THEM. WHETHER IT COMES INTO A FORM OR FROM A 24/7 CALL CENTER, HAVING A PROCESS IN PLACE TO APPROPRIATELY RESPOND AND DEAL WITH LIGHT. THE FIRST THING IS IF IT'S A REAL EMERGENCY, GET PEOPLE TO HANG UP AND CALL THE POLICE. LAW ENFORCEMENT DEALS WITH REAL EMERGENCIES. YOU'VE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, YOU GOT A REAL CRIME IN PROGRESS, WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSIONALS? MY MOTHER WAS A CRIME ANALYST FOR SAN DIEGO'S POLICE DEPARTMENT, CALLED PRESS. BUT IF THIS IS A TRUE, LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT RELEVANT TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY, THEN LET'S TRIAGE AND HANDLE AND NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TALK ONLINE AND THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE DOES THIS CALL OFF EVERYTHING IT DOES BUT LET THEM OVER, THEY CAN FIND MORE RESOURCES ONLINE. IF GALAXIES WEBSITE IF THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE, AND WE'LL TRIAGE THAT ONE EASILY ENOUGH WITHOUT NOTIFYING ANYBODY. OTHER ISSUES WILL WORK WITH YOUR TEAM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT EACH TRIAGE AS, HEY SEND AN EMAIL AND LET SOMEONE ELSE TOMORROW VERSUS WE NEED TO REACH OUT RIGHT NOW TO THE LOCAL CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY. GOOD ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE LOCAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND NEARBY TO RENTAL PROPERTIES. THIS IS LIKE HAVING A FRONT DESK AT A HOTEL ARE IMPORTANT. THE CALL CENTER OPERATORS WILL REACH OUT TO THESE PEOPLE. THEY SHOULD BE ESPECIALLY AVAILABLE WHEN THEIR TENANTS CHECK IN THE MAJORITY OF PROBLEMS AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAPPENED IN THE FIRST FEW HOURS THE TENANTS SHOW UP AND OPEN THE SIX PACK AND HAVE THEIR POOLSIDE PARTY. THEY DON'T TEND TO HAPPEN ON DAY TWO AND THREE SO MUCH. THE PROBLEMS TEND TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. HAVING A LOCAL CONTACT THERE. CALL CENTERS WILL REACH OUT TO THEM, THEY WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM, THEY WILL CONTINUE FOR ONLY WE DO A PROTOCOL SUPPORT CALLS OVER AN HOUR, THE MESSAGES. THEY'LL ASK THEM TO CALL THEM BACK ONCE THEY HAVE RESOLVED THE ISSUES SO THAT WE CAN NOTE THAT. THEN ALL THIS INFORMATION IS SHARED WITH THE ONSET AND AT THE RESOLUTION PHASE WITH THE FOLKS AT THE CITY OR THE PARK WHO HAVE INTEREST IN MAKING SURE COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT IS BEING DILIGENTLY DONE. THE LAST STEP IN THIS, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO MAKE SURE LOCAL CONTACTS ARE TAKING ISSUES SERIOUSLY. IT'S HAVING SOME TEETH. HAVING THE ABILITY TO FIND YOU DEAL WITH, TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL THERE ARE REAL CONSEQUENCES. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT PLACES LIKE THE CITY OF LA QUINTA, THEY ONLY HAVE TWO STRIKES. IF SOMEONE GETS TOO SERIOUS THEY CANNIBAL COMPLAINTS IN A YEAR, THEY REVOKE THE PERMIT TO OPERATE ON THAT PROPERTY. WITH THE PROGRAM RUNNING THE WAY IT RUNS, THIS ALMOST NEVER HAPPENED. THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THING. THEY HAVE 1200 PERMITTED PROPERTIES. THEY HAVEN'T REVOKED ANYBODY'S PERMIT FOR JUST DRAG POLICY IN THE LAST YEAR. MOST OF THEIR ISSUES SHOW UP ON UNPERMITTED NEW RENTALS THAT THEY HAVEN'T YET TOLD THAT COMPLIANT, AND THEY HAVE A LOT MORE OF THOSE SUPPORT. THE PEOPLE MOVE PERMITTED TO KNOW THE RULES WHO KNOW THAT THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES, WE KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO LET THEIR RENTERS KNOW, DON'T HAVE A PARTY. YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BE RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORS, OR THERE'S CONSEQUENCES FOR BOTH YOU AND ME. DON'T TEND TO HAVE THESE PROBLEMS. I LOVE LOOKING UNTIL THEY RUN EARLIER PROGRAMS THEY TALK ABOUT THEM A LOT, BUT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THEY'VE ONLY SUSPENDED ONE PERSON PERMIT OUT OF THE 1200 THEY HAVE OPERATED. THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T ENFORCE, [02:35:02] THEY ACTUALLY ENFORCED SUPER AGGRESSIVELY. IT'S BECAUSE OF THE EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. HAVING THE RESPONSE HERE HAS MITIGATED A LOT OF THE LARGER OVERARCHING PROBLEMS. THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. I'VE GOT A VISIBILITY OTHER MATERIALS THEY DO HOUR-LONG DEMONSTRATIONS AND TALK ALL THE TIME. I COULD DO THIS DAY HERE. BUT I HAVE TO TALK HIM TO BRICE AND I DECIDED THIS WOULD BE A NICE TRIM LEVEL HIGH LEVEL CHAIR. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, SO MARIE AND THEN WILLIAM AND DAVID. >> WHEN HE STARTED OUT, HE SAID WE HAD 7100. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? >>THE NUMBER OF LISTINGS, NOT THE NUMBER OF ADVERTISEMENTS, I THINK ONLINE. [OVERLAPPING] >> SAME QUESTION. >> YEAH. >> FAIR ENOUGH. WE THOUGHT 7100 LISTINGS ON THE MAJOR PLATFORMS AS WE DO DUPLICATE BECAUSE LIKE THE ONE I JUST SHOWED YOU ON BOTH VERSO AND AIRBNB. IT'S ON TO LISTINGS WHICH IS ONE PROPERTY. WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 5,000 TOTAL RENTALS TO GALVESTON BECAUSE THAT'S OUR CURRENT ESTIMATE. AS BRYSON AND I WORKED TOGETHER, WE WILL COME UP WITH FIRMER AND FIRMER AND FIRMER NUMBERS. WHAT I WILL SAY THOUGH TO YOUR MARKET IS THE SEASONAL PEOPLE COME ON AND OFF OVER THE YEAR. SOME PEOPLE FLIP IT THERE IN THE SUMMER AND RENT IN THE WINTER OR VICE VERSA. THEN IN A MARKET LIKE THIS, THE AVERAGE RENTAL CHANGES AFTER 2.5 YEARS GOES IN, SOMEONE RETIRED THERE, THEY SELL THE PROPERTY. THERE WILL BE A 100 AND 200 NEW LIFTING EVERY SINGLE MONTH AT MINIMUM THAT I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IN THE MARKET THAT WE WILL WATCH COME ONLINE. WE'LL CHECK TO SEE IF THEY REGISTERED THEIR PROPERTY AND IF THEY DID CREATE A WHOLE LOT AND IF THEY DIDN'T WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, WHO THEY ARE AND THEN WORK FOR GETTING THAT PERMIT. THIS IS AN ONGOING SITUATION EVEN IN THE BEST OF OUR MARKETS. >> HOW DO YOU ATTRACT THE PEOPLE THAT JUST TRY TO SIGN UP? BECAUSE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD'S CHALLENGING? BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE. THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY RENTING. THEY'RE JUST SIGNING UP FOR THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE ABILITY TO RENT. >> YES. I HAVE SEEN SOME CITIES REQUIRE USAGE. IF YOU'RE ASKING IF SOMEONE COMES AND GET THE PERMIT, THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT ABILITY TO RENT FOR THE FUTURE, BUT THEY'RE NOT USING THAT RENTAL PERMIT. SOME CITIES MITIGATE THIS HAVE PASSED RULES REQUIRING USAGE OF YOUR PERMIT. IF YOU KEEP FILING ZERO DOLLAR RETURNS ZERO NIGHT OCCUPANCIES. THIS TEND TO BE CITIES THAT LOOKED ENTITY CAPTIONED LIMIT. IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE 4,000 PERMITS THAT THEY WANT TO LET 4,000 PEOPLE REALLY RENT THEIR PROPERTY, THEY MAY REQUIRE USAGE. THE ALTERNATIVE HERE, IN SOME CITIES BIFURCATE THE PERMIT PROCESS TODAY THEY HAVE ONE FOR MATURE RENTERS AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO RENT LESS THAN TWO WEEKS A YEAR, THEY'LL LET YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT PERMIT THAT MAY NOT BE KEPT FOR LIMITED AS OTHER PERMITS ARE. THAT SEEMS VERY CREATIVE IN PRACTICE SITUATIONS. >> IT HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT. DAVID. >> YEAH, NICK. I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU ABOUT THE COLLECTION AND FINANCE, AND I THINK WE'LL GET INTO THAT JUST WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HANDLE THAT. BUT THE FAILURE TO SELF-COMPLY. SOMEONE CALLS THE HOT-LINE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONCERN AND RETRIEVE ADDRESSES OF THE PLACES, PEOPLE RIGHT NOW EITHER DO NOTHING OR THEY CALL THE POLICE. WE NEED EDUCATION, [NOISE] SOME WAY TO DIRECT THEM TO THE HOT-LINE. I UNDERSTAND WHY THIS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN GOOD EDUCATION PROGRAMS, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USED TO CALLING THE HOT-LINE. IF YOU HAVE GOOD SELF-COMPLIANCE THEN, THAT TAKES A GREAT BURDEN OFF OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. BUT WHEN SOMEONE FAILS TO SELF-COMPLY, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? YOU HAVE A CONTACT, WE REQUIRE A CONTACT. THAT PERSON, YOUR CALL CENTER CALLS AND SAYS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ADDRESS, DEAL WITH IT. WHAT'S THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE BEYOND THAT? >> I'LL TELL YOU THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO CRAFT THE NUANCES OF THE PROCESS TO FIT YOUR COMMUNITY. IT'S A CONFIGURABLE, BOTTOM ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. THE STANDARD PROCESS FOR THIS SELF-COMPLIANCE MODEL IS THAT THE OPERATORS WILL DIAL OUT AND THEY WILL REQUIRE FEEDBACK FROM THE LOCAL CONTACT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MITIGATING THE PROBLEM, TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE TALKED TO, SPOKE WITH, GONE TO THE PROPERTY, DEALT WITH THE ISSUE AS DESCRIBED. IT IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE. IF THAT PERSON IS UNRESPONSIVE TO TAKE ANY OF THE PHONE CALLS AS THEY'RE NORMALLY LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO, THEY'LL CALL BACK TO THE CALL CENTER. THERE IS A PERIOD OF TIME THAT PASSES IN WHICH THE TYPICAL NEXT LEGISLATION IS OF THE CALL CENTERS MEANT TO [02:40:03] NOTIFY YOU ON-DUTY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR POLICE OFFICER OR SOMEBODY WHO CAN TAKE MORE IMMEDIATE RESPONSES. ALSO, SOME OF THE ESCALATION STEPS IS, IF AFTER THE LOCAL CONTACT HAS DEALT WITH, I'M GOING TO THROW SOME AIR QUOTES UP ON THIS ONE. IN SOME JURISDICTIONS, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT LACK THE SECONDARY CONSEQUENCES. THESE ARE VISIT FINDS THE PENALTIES OR SECONDARY ENFORCEMENT THROUGH REAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEN THERE HAS BEEN SOME TIMES PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE CALLING AND SAYING, I'VE HANDLED THIS, TAKEN CARE OF, NO MORE NOISE. BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'LL GET A SECOND CALL. THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL LET US KNOW IN THE FIRST PLACE, CALLED THE SECOND TIME, LET THEM KNOW THIS PROBLEM SHOULD BE RESOLVED IN THE NEXT HOUR, LATEST AND GO, HEY, IT'S BEEN AN HOUR-AND-A-HALF AND I'VE STILL GOT A BIG PARTY NEXT DOOR. THESE SECONDARY PHONE CALLS AT THIS POINT FASTEN THE ESCALATION PROCESS IS THAT THEY WILL ONCE AGAIN LET THE LOCAL CONTACT NOW, BUT AT THIS POINT AND THIS WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO REACH OUT WITH IS THE POINT WHERE THE OPERATORS WILL THEN LET YOUR LOCAL ENFORCEMENT SERVICES KNOW AS WELL, SO THIS IS GOING TO BE DEALT WITH. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT BINDS PENALTIES AND REAL CONSEQUENCES COME OUT, THAT THE LOCAL CONTACTS UNWILLING OR UNABLE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM PROPERLY, THEN ENACT LEGISLATION STEPS. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY THAT LOOKS LIKE, IS TO BRING IN PROFESSIONAL LOCAL BOOTS ON THE GROUND WITH ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I CAN FIND. HOW YOU DO THAT, HOW YOU CAN DO THAT, HOW YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT. THIS, WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO STAFF IS ALWAYS A QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT THROUGH THIS END-TO-END PROCESS. BUT WE WILL MAKE ALL OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE AND THEN HANDLE PROTOCOL PROBABLY PROFESSIONALLY, THAT POSSIBLE. >> VERY GOOD. I HAVE ONE QUESTION, THEN WE'LL MOVE ALONG. YOU'RE MONITORING ALL THESE PLATFORMS TO DEVELOP ALL THIS DATA, CAN YOU MONITOR PLATFORM SUCH AS CRAIGSLIST AND THINGS LIKE THAT? >> NO, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE DO. AUTOMATICALLY, THERE'S THREE LEVELS THAT TAKE PLACE. THERE'S THINGS WE DO AUTOMATICALLY. MAJOR PLATFORMS AND 99 PERCENT PLUS OF ALL RENTALS IN THE WORLD, SHOW UP ON ONE OF FOUR MAJOR PLATFORMS. AIRBNB, VRBO, WHICH IS THE EXPEDIA BRAND FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT'S LIKE 30 EXPEDIA SITE. YOU MIGHT THINK THEY'RE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE ONE BIG COMPANY. THERE IS BOOKING.COM, THERE'S FLIPKEY, WHICH SUPERVISES PRODUCTS. NINETY NINE PLUS PERCENT OF RENTALS AND MULTIPLE RENTAL ACTIVITY FLUSHES THROUGH THOSE SITES. NOW, WE ALSO WATCH PROPERTY US 10,000 PLUS LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER SITE. WE'RE WATCHING A LOT OF LOCAL GUYS SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. WE WILL DIVE INTO CRAIGSLIST, SO TO BE HONEST, CRAIGSLIST DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH DATA, MUCH INFORMATION, VERY INSTRUCTED. AT TIME, IF WE CAN WAIT, AND WE TEND TO DO THAT MANUALLY VERSUS IN AN AUTOMATED FASHION SO THE END-TO-END STEP, THERE'S MANUAL. THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL NOT DO AND I DON'T DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S LEGAL, IS I WON'T FILL BEHIND PASSWORD PROTECTIVE SITE. I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP ON FACEBOOK. FACEBOOK'S GOT PRIVACY RULES. YOU AGREE TO THEM WHEN YOU SIGN UP FOR FACEBOOK. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE MY PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK AND VIOLATE TERMS OF SERVICE. THE OTHER SITE, BECAUSE BUSINESS OPERATORS DON'T WANT TO PUT BARRIERS TO DOING BUSINESSES LIKE AIRBNB, NP, THE VLAN CRAIGSLIST, AND ALL OF THESE, THERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOG ON TO CARRY ANYTHING TO GO TO THOSE SITES FOR THE COMPUTERS AND MY PERSONNEL CRAWL THROUGH THOSE SITES NIGHTLY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ENFORCING. THOSE ARE THE CATEGORIES. WE DON'T FIND THAT THE FACEBOOK OR THE CRAIGSLIST PROVIDE A LOT OF VALUE FOR MANY CLIENTS, THOUGH WE DO AT TIMES GO INTO IT, AND FOR DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, WE DO SOME FUN INTERESTING THINGS. IN PLACES LIKE RURAL COLORADO, PEOPLE CAMPING WEIRD SPOTS. THE PROCESS IS PRETTY METHODICAL, AND TO BE HONEST, MOST OF THE PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS WHO WANT TO MAKE MONEY AND YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE PROFITS, ARE ON AIRBNB OR VRBO. WE ACCORDINGLY WEIGH OUR ENERGY EFFORTS HEAVILY INTO THOSE AND FOLLOW BY BOOKING IN FLIPKEY AND FOLLOWED UP BY THOSE PROPERTY MANAGER SITES, AND THEN FOLLOWED UP FINALLY BY THE OBSCURE STUFF, THAT'S GRACEFUL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, CRICK. >> WHAT ARE YOUR FEATURES THAT ARE ABLE TO TRACK THE AVERAGE HOURLY RATE FOR THE ISLAND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR OR WHERE IT'S TRENDING, WHERE IT'S GOING DOWN? ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT WITH YOUR SOFTWARE FOR THE WHOLE ISLAND? >> YES, WE DO. WE DO AND WE COULD CARVE THIS OUT. SOME OF THE PLATFORMS ARE BETTER AT DOING THAT. WE'RE LOOKING FOR NEW IMPROVEMENTS. VRBO IS VERY EASY FOR US TO TELL THE EXACT FLUCTUATION IN PRICING WE DO ON THE DASHBOARD THAT I SHOWED YOU BRIEFLY IN THE PRESENTATION, HAVE A BAR CHART IN THERE WITH ADR AND IT FLUCTUATES BY MONTH, [02:45:01] YOU CAN GET A GOOD FEEL OF WHAT'S BEING ADVERTISED EACH MONTH. YEAH, BOOKING OCCUPANCY RATES, ADRS BOTH HAS THE DISCRETE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY LEVEL AND AT THE AGGREGATE LEVEL OF THE PROSECUTOR'S CITY CAN BE DONE AND THEN MUCH LIKE I SHOWED YOU THOSE KNOWNS AND THE PAINTER, IF YOU HAD ZONES THAT YOU WANTED TO DIFFERENTIATE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE ISLAND, DIFFERENT COUNCIL DISTRICTS, A PARTICULAR TOURISTY ZONE VERSUS THE REST. WE CAN EVEN PROVIDE THAT ANALYSIS AS MORE DISCRETELY SO YOU CAN SEE CURRENT OCCUPANCY. IT IS VERY ACHIEVABLE TO SPRINK THESE THINGS UP EITHER ONE BIG ADR OR A LITTLE BIT OF MORE NEW ONE THERE. IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND THAT THIS MARKET IS INTERESTED IN, PEOPLE OFTEN WANT A PAIR FOR DWINDLES TO HOTELS AND A FAIR SHAKE IS TO COMPARE ONE-BEDROOM AND STUDIO. SHORT-TERM RENTALS, A LOT OF HOTELS BUT HOTELS REALLY DON'T COMPARE OFTEN TO 2, 3, 4, OR 5 BEDROOM DOOR TO RENTALS AND SO SEGREGATING THE MARKET INTELLIGENTLY AND WORK WITH PRICING OR FROM OPEN MEMBER STAFF, THE FUTURE MIGHT HAVE A NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT WILL WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> NICK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD, LET'S MOVE FORWARD HERE. HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION? >> WE'LL GO THROUGH REALLY, REALLY QUICKLY. >> OKAY. >> WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON TODAY, AND AGAIN, THIS IS MATT CURTIS WITH THE SMARTER CITY POLICY GROUP, IS THE CONSULTANT THAT WE BROUGHT ON TO HELP US GET THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS AND THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I THINK THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SEEING IS WHAT THE COST OF THIS SOFTWARE AND THE COST OF ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM ON THE PARK BOARD SIDE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT WE CAME UP WITH. ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE EXPENSE AND THOSE ARE THE TASKS THAT ARE LISTED THERE STRAIGHT FROM OUR SCOPE OF WORK WITH THEM. IT TOTALS TO ABOUT 275,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN TAPERS DOWN TO I THINK 260 IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS AND A TOTAL OF 1.3 MILLION OVER THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. THEN I HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS THAT WORK EXCLUSIVELY WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I HAVE A HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX ACCOUNTANT, AND THEN I BROUGHT ON A GIRL WHO IS GOING TO BE THE SOFTWARE SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR FOR THIS SYSTEM, SO THEY'LL BE WORKING ON IT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY. THOSE ARE THE ESTIMATED COSTS OF THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS AND THEN THE ESTIMATED COST OF THEIR OFFICE SUPPLIES, IT NEEDS, EQUIPMENT TRAINING, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEN I HAVE IT AGGREGATED HERE, BROKEN DOWN OVER THE FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT TOTAL EXPENSE PER YEAR, ABOUT 450,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR, AND THEN ABOUT 435 IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST FOR THIS [INAUDIBLE]. DOES THIS SOFTWARE DO HOT COLLECTION AS WELL AS REGISTRATION? >> YES. >> THIS IS A BASICALLY FULLY LOADED COST OF REGISTRATION HOT COLLECTION OF THOSE HOTEL COLLECTION? >> IT WILL DO HOTEL COLLECTION. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE WHOLE THING. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU WERE ABLE [NOISE] SEQUESTER $775,000 OUT OF HOTEL TAX ITSELF FOR COLLECTIONS, RIGHT? >> YES. THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE REST OF THIS WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF REGISTRATION FEES ESSENTIALLY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 435 A YEAR, 360 OUT OF REGISTRATION ITSELF TO MAKE PARK BOARD WHOLE ON THIS. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR FIRST PRIORITY TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS SERVICES. BUT THAT BY ITSELF BEGS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DATA AND MAYBE YOU'RE GOING TO GET FURTHER, DEEPER INTO THAT. I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WAS DOES THIS INCLUDE K? > YES. K IS MY BODY COUNT >> IT'S JUST THE ONE PERSON WE KNOW. [LAUGHTER] THIS INCLUDES THE COST OF REGISTRATION AND HOTEL TAX COLLECTION. THAT'S OKAY. >> THIS INCLUDES THE COST OF THE EMERGENCY CALL CENTER? >> YES. YOU CAN SEE THE HOT LINE. IT'S ABOUT $25,000 A YEAR WOULD BE THE COST FOR THAT HOT LINE. >> BOTTOM LINE ON THE LEFT. >> BOTTOM LINE ON THE LEFT. >> [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] BLESS YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW FIRST. >> VERY GOOD. >> THEY STAFF THAT. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DONE LOCALLY? >> NO. THAT WHY WE CAN DO IT FOR ONLY 25,000. >> VERY GOOD. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS A DISCOUNT. >> THEIR CALL CENTER SERVICES MULTIPLE CLIENTS, NOT JUST JOHNSTON. >> CAN I JUST ADD ON THE CALL CENTER ON THE HOT LINE. THE GREAT THING ABOUT THAT IS THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO TRACK NUISANCE ISSUES, YOU'RE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP. I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE DIFFERENT CITIES [02:50:03] AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ALWAYS TAKE A LOOK IMMEDIATELY AFTER A BUSY WEEKEND, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE OUTCOME OF YOUR NUISANCE CALLS MIGHT BE, JUST TO SEE IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ANY TRENDS. THINK WHAT WE FOUND OUT OVER TIME IS ONCE IMPLEMENTED FEATURES LIKE THIS, YOU SEE THE TREND GO DOWN. YOU DON'T GET THE NUISANCE CALLS THEY USED TO. >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REPORTING QUESTIONS AS WE GO FORWARD. >> JOHN, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> ON THIS CHART HERE, THIS PLOT, HOW MUCH ARE YOU CURRENTLY SPENDING ON THIS SERVICE? NOT SOFTWARE, OF COURSE, BUT JUST WATCHING THE HOT TAX. >> TO DO THE WHOLE THING, IT COSTS ABOUT 50,000 A YEAR FOR REGISTRATION, COLLECTION, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ALL IT IS, IS A REPOSITORY. THERE'S NONE OF THIS OTHER FEATURE. ALL WE DO IS COLLECT THE MONEY AND DISTRIBUTE IT. IT HAS NO OTHER DATA COLLECTION OR OTHER FEATURES LIKE YOU'RE GETTING WITH THIS. >> YOU SAID 175 CAN COME OUT OF THE ACTUAL HOT TAX? >> SEVENTY-FIVE THOUSAND. >> SEVENTY-FIVE THOUSAND. THEN WE WOULD BE ADDING ABOUT $400,000 WORTH OF COST HERE FROM WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DOING? >> YES. RUN SIMPLE NUMBERS HERE. >> WAYNE. >> WHEN WE GET THIS CALL CENTER GOING AND I GUESS IT'S MORE FOR THE CITY SIDE OF IT, BUT BIG PARTY HOUSE ON THE CORNER, FIRST THING THE RESIDENT DOES IS CALL 911 AND THEN THEY GET TOLD, "HEY YOU NEED TO CALL NON-EMERGENCY." THE NON-EMERGENCY IS GOING TO TELL THEM TO CALL THIS NUMBER? >> THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT EDUCATION OUTREACH CAMPAIGN WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO HELP WITH. THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT, IS FOR THEM TO HELP US PUT THAT MATERIAL TOGETHER. >> PROVIDE [NOISE] FOR YOUR NEIGHBORS TYPE DEAL. >> IT DOESN'T GET REPORTED TO THE CITY UNTIL THE SECOND CALL. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP HOW WE WANT IT TO GET ESCALATED. WHAT I MEAN IS WE USE THE CITY YOU GUYS CAN ABSOLUTELY DETERMINE HOW TO DELIVER THE BODY, HOW YOU WANT THAT FLOW TO GO AND THE CONTRACTOR WILL HELP US TO HAVE THE SYSTEM TO DO THAT. >> THERE'S A WAY FOR THE FIRST CALL TO GO TO THE THIS CITY VERSUS A SUB POINT? >> DEPENDING UPON THE SITUATION. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT ALL PARTY COMPLAINANTS TO GO DIRECTLY TO CAUSE ENFORCEMENT RIGHT WHEN IT GETS TO THE CALL CENTER, I'M SURE YOU CAN SET THAT UP. >> YEAH. THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT THAT'S OPEN TO TAILOR-MAKE THE WAY WE WANT TO DO IT IN THIS COMMUNITY HERE AND HOW WE WANT TO UTILIZE THAT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT'S VERY FLEXIBLE. >> YES. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE'VE DISCOVERED LOOKING AT THE SOFTWARE IN OTHER PLACES IS THAT YOU TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF 911 OR CBD NON-EMERGENCY BY GOING THROUGH THIS CALL CENTER. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME EDUCATION AND MIGRATION TO GET PEOPLE USED TO DOING THAT TO CALLING THE CALL CENTER, BUT THERE HAS BEEN SUCH A HIGH RATE, THEY SAY, OF COMPLIANCE FROM THE CALL CENTER TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER, PERSONAL CALL THAT GBD COULD NEVER EVEN HEAR MOST OF THOSE. WE WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT THROUGH REPORTING ON THE BACK IF THAT COMES OUT LATER. THAT'S KEY, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF REPORTING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS AS WELL. >> WELL, I CAN RENT. FOR INSTANCE, I'VE HAD PERHAPS THE BIGGEST SHARE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THERE ARE CASES WHERE THERE'LL BE THREE CALLS TO THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER AND AT NIGHT. >> ARE YOU SAYING YOU WOULD WANT CALLS TO GO TO THE CITY AS OPPOSED TO THE HOT LINE? WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT? NOT THAT I HAVE TO GET IN DETAIL AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. >> WELL, JUST TRACKING WISE? >> IT DOES ALL THAT THOUGH. >> I'M SORRY. >> TRACKING WISE. >> TRACKING. THIS SOFTWARE DOES ALL THAT. >> THE SOFTWARE WILL TRACK AND REPORT ON THAT, BUT PDE DOESN'T NEED TO KNOW THIS IN REAL TIME IF IT'S GETTING RESOLVED. >> WHY TIE UP PDE ON A NUISANCE COMPLAIN LIKE THIS? >> IF YOU HAVE A HABITUAL PERSON THAT'S DOING IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IT'S HITTING THE CALL CENTER, THEN IT COMES BACK TO US AS A REPORT, AND THEN WE CAN PULL THEIR PERMIT TO WHERE THEY'RE [OVERLAPPING] NO LONGER OPERATING. >> OR PART OF THE ESCALATION PROCEEDS [NOISE] IF THESE CALLS KEEP COMING IN AND IT'S CLEAR TO THE CALL CENTER THAT COMPLIANCE IS NOT OCCURRING, THEN [OVERLAPPING] GO FORWARD TO GBD OR MARTIAL. >> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RENTAL PLACES THAT ALREADY HAVE THIS IN PLACE AND THEY DO DO A GREAT JOB ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO CASES WHERE THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE AND THEY DON'T DO A GREAT JOB ABOUT THAT. I JUST THINK, WHEN YOU START SEPARATING THE COMPLIANCE SIDE OR THE MARTIAL OR POLICE SIDE, [02:55:03] I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRACKING OF THE CALL, HAVING A DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ADEQUATE POLICE AND EVERYTHING IS RELATED ON CALLS. THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. >> WILLIAM, YOU HAD A. >> THAT WAS IT. >> YOU GOT YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED? >> YEAH. >> OR YOU FORGOT YOUR QUESTION? [LAUGHTER]. >> I THINK I DID. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. >> VERY GOOD. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, PLEASE. >> REGARDING WHAT THE CALL PROCESS TO GET TO COMPLAINTS AND THE WAY THEY HAD THEIRS SETUP WAS THAT THEY COULD LOSE THEIR PERMIT OR THEIR LICENSE. >> LA QUINTA HAS IT ON YOUR THIRD VIOLATION, CONFIRM VIOLATION, YOUR ISSUED THE CITATION, THEN YOU GET TO REVOCATION OF YOUR PERMIT. >> THEY DID NOT TAKE CARE OF THOSE AFTER THE FIRST TWO CALLS AND THEN THE THIRD CALL, THAT IS WHEN THEIR PERMIT. >> IN LA QUINTA'S CASE, WHICH IS WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S AN ACTUAL CITATION, NOT JUST THE COMPLIANT. THE COMPLAINT RESULTS IN A CITATION. SOMEBODY WROTE THEM A TICKET, IF YOU WILL. ONCE THEY GET TO THREE OF THOSE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COUNCIL DECIDED. MAYBE YOU GET IT REVOKED [INAUDIBLE] >> WHERE IS LA QUINTA? >> IT'S IN CALIFORNIA. [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S BY PALM SPRINGS. >> PALM SPRINGS >> BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME STATE REGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. >> IS THAT THE IDEA THAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO GO TOWARDS? >> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL NEED TO DISCUSS. THE LOGISTICS OF THIS NEEDS TO BE WORKED DOWN. WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO, BUT YES MA'AM, THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION POINT. >> BECAUSE I CAN SEE HER QUESTION IN THAT AREA, IF IT'S REPORTED THERE VERSUS POLICE, THEN THAT BECOMES A VALID QUESTION. >> [OVERLAPPING] PERSONALLY, I THINK WE'LL WORK THAT OUT. THAT'S GOING TO BE WORKED OUT. IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL THING AS MENTIONED. WILLIAM. >> BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE THREE STRIKES, YOU'RE OUT. [INAUDIBLE], LET'S SAY I HAVE IT. I GET THREE-STRIKES, I'M OUT. WHAT KEEPS ME FROM TRANSFERRING MY DEED TO MY MOTHER AND SHE NOW GETS TO REGISTER THAT AIRBNB? >> I GUESS IT ALL DEPENDS ON IS IT THE PROPERTY LOCATION, OR IS IT THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE CITING? >> WE DON'T HAVE RULES RIGHT NOW. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE THROWING A LOT OF WHAT IF, THREE STRIKES, ALL THAT STUFF, SO I'M JUST [NOISE] WONDERING IF WE WANT TO GET THAT CONVERSATION GOING, THAT'S THE ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT OF GALVESTON, WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY, AND SO IT'S GOOD. >> I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN IN CALIFORNIA, MORE THAN LIKELY WON'T BE ABLE TO HAPPEN IN TEXAS, IS ALL I'M SAYING. >> WE COULD ONLY HOPE. >> BRYSON, IS IT BASED ON THIS PROPERTY LOCATION, OR IS IT THE OWNER THAT THEY SUSPECT? >> IN LA QUINTA? >> YEAH. >> I'M NOT SURE OF THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I CAN FIND OUT. ABSOLUTELY. >> YES, JOHN. >> ONE MORE QUESTION HERE ABOUT THE GRAPHS ON THE SCREEN. YOU CURRENTLY SPEND 50 THAT COULD GO UP TO A 175. >> LET ME ASK, IF I COULD? I AM SORRY [INAUDIBLE] . >> SURE. >> WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT WAS THE COST OF THE COLLECTION AND REGISTRATION SYSTEM AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. THESE TWO STAFF MEMBERS ARE PART OF OUR [INAUDIBLE]. THEY'RE ALREADY PART OF THE PROCESS. I GUESS THAT'S NOT ADDITIONAL. THEY'RE ALREADY ON MY STAFF AND HAVE BEEN FOR A WHILE. >> YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A BUDGET ITEM IN THERE FOR ABOUT A $135,000 FOR COLLECTION OF CONTEXT? >> YES, FOR THE STAFF. >> ONLY 50 OF THAT COMES OUT OF COLLECTIONS OF 50,000. >> THE 50,000 IS THE COST FOR ALREADY CURRENT COLLECTION SYSTEM REGISTRATION SYSTEM. THE COST OF THAT SOFTWARE. >> BASICALLY ALL THAT IS PUT IN THE BANK. >> YEAH. >> THEY DON'T HAVE [OVERLAPPING]. >> MORE THAN THAT COULD COME OUT OF ACTUAL HOT TAX TO PAY FOR SALARIES. >> WE GUESS WE GET OUR[OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S WHERE I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING THAT ONLY 55 COULD COME OUT OF THE HOT TAX COLLECTION TO PAY FOR. >> SEVENTY-FIVE THOUSAND. >> THIS ASSOCIATE PROGRAM, [OVERLAPPING]. >> SEVENTY-FIVE THOUSAND FOR THE SOFTWARE. THAT'S WHAT IT CAN USED FOR. >> SEVENTY-FIVE THOUSAND FOR SOFTWARE? >> YES. >> BUT THEN YOUR STAFF COULD COME OUT OF THAT COLLECTION AS WELL? >> OUR STAFF IS CURRENTLY PAID BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS THE ADMINISTRATOR FUND, IS CURRENTLY PAID THROUGH BY ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSFER FROM THE OTHER FUND, IT'S NOT DISSIMILAR TO [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'RE, [INAUDIBLE] REGARDLESS OF THE TOTAL COST, I BELIEVE STATUTORILY, $75,000 IS ALL WE CAN KEEP FOR COLLECTION OF HOTEL TAX. WHAT'S THAT? >> THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR SOFTWARE. >> COLLECTION SOFTWARE. >> COLLECTION SOFTWARE. IS THERE ANY OTHER MONEY OF HOT TAX THAT WE COULD USE TO OFFSET THIS? [03:00:01] >> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD LEGAL QUESTION, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS NO, YOU CAN NOT USE HOT TO COLLECT TIME ESSENTIALLY. >> RIGHT. >> BUT YOU ARE DOING IT? >> WELL, THE 75,000. [LAUGHTER] >> THE 75,000. >> THE 175 BECAUSE IT'S COMING THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE CHARGES, WHICH IS HOT ULTIMATELY BECAUSE IT'S FIT TO ADMINISTRATIVE [LAUGHTER] >> THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE TAX CODE THAT YOU CAN SPEND IT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COST SO LONG AS IT'S REASONABLE AND JUSTIFIABLE. >> ULTIMATELY, THE $175,000 IS HOT. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] >> NOW THAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT. >> I'M NOT SURE I GOT THAT QUESTION ANSWERED IN MY MIND, BUT [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, I GOT ENOUGH. WE CAN DIVE IN AND DO IT LATER. [OVERLAPPING] >> BEN HAS CONFUSED ME NOW. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S 175 ADMINISTRATIVE SO SAY 70 PERCENT OF 100,000 THAT CURRENTLY IS COMING OUT OF ADMINISTRATIVE MONEY [OVERLAPPING] >> IS CURRENTLY ALL ADMINISTRATIVE. WE HAVEN'T USED THE $75,000. >> THE A $175,000, THAT STARTS OUT AS HOTEL TAX AND IT WINDS UP BEING AN ADMINISTRATIVE? >> YES. A PORTION OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY, TAX RECIPIENT FUNDS LIKE BEACH CLEANING, BEACH PATROLS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YOU'RE SHIFTING ALL OF THAT TO THE REGISTRATION? >> NO, THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE COST ACROSS THE BOARD RIGHT THERE. >> I GET THAT. BUT THE 175 THAT YOU'RE SPENDING TODAY, YOU'VE GOT THAT NUMBER IN HERE? >> YES. GOT THAT NUMBER IN HERE. SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING EXCLUSIVELY ON THE SYSTEM ITSELF. BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER COVERING BY THE FEE. IF NOT, THEY'RE CURRENTLY PART OF OUR BUDGET AND COULD BE COVERED THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE TRANSITS. >> YEAH. >> I THINK WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT [OVERLAPPING]. >> YEAH, WE NEED TO DO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. >> MIKE? >> NO. THEY ANSWER OF THE QUESTION FOR DAVID WAS RIGHT ON THAT. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE ON. BRYSON, HOW MUCH LONGER YOU HAVE HERE? >> JUST A FEW MORE MINUTES MISTER MERINO, I'LL KEEP IT [OVERLAPPING]. >> ONE SLIDE THEN. [LAUGHTER]. >> YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH WHO'S ON THE TASK FORCE. WE WILL JUST GO OVER THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT OUR MISSION WAS. YOU CREATED US, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. WE'RE JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE KEY POINTS OF ORDINANCE SUCCESS THAT WE SAW WITH OTHER CITIES. I THINK WE DID FIVE SITE VISITS AND INTERVIEWED 15 DIFFERENT CITIES. BUT WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE REGISTRATION AND PERMIT PROCESS, ORDINANCES ENFORCED TO THE PUNITIVE ACTION AND FINES, EVEN THAT SELF COMPLIANCE IS KEY, THAT LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT AND THE EDUCATION INITIATIVES. MAX WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUNITIVE FINES. >> YOU KNOW, JOE IS WHAT WE'VE LEARNED WHEN WE SPOKE WITH ALL THE OTHER CITIES. WE PICKED A VARIETY OF CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAD AN ACTIVE COMPLIANCE PROGRAM OR WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY [BACKGROUND] NEW BRAUNFELS, AND THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE COMPLIANCE PROGRAM AND A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THEIR PROGRAM. BUT WE TRIED TO PICK CITIES THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT IMPURE WAY AND AS FAR AS INVENTORY SIZE, VACATION DESTINATION TO GALVESTON. WHAT WE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES WAS THAT HIGH REGISTRATION FEE DOES NOT ACTUALLY REMOVE BAD ACTORS. GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE PROGRAM IS THE KEY, SO MAYBE SETTING A REGISTRATION FEE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM. BUT WE DID HEAR THAT A HIGHER PUNITIVE FEE WHAT WILL GET AFTER BAD ACTORS, SO TALKING ABOUT [SPANISH] THEY HAVE A HIGH PUNITIVE FEE AS FAR AS NOT JUST A SETTING A FEE GOING AFTER ANYBODY WHO ACTS INAPPROPRIATELY, BUT ALSO REMOVING THEIR REGISTRATION, REMOVING THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. WE HEARD THE SAME FROM COLORADO CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, AND GLENN COUNTY, GEORGIA AS WELL. ONE THING THAT WE ALSO HEARD AS WE WENT THROUGH AND TALKED TO DIFFERENT CITIES, IS AS YOU APPROACH THIS AND AS YOU WANT TO TRY TO APPROACH COMPLIANCE, FOCUS ON THAT SELF COMPLIANCE, FOCUS GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE CAN BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN THE FORM OF LEGAL CHALLENGES. CHALLENGES WHERE A CITY OR A CITY REGULATION MIGHT BE TAKEN TO A HIGHER COURT TO CHALLENGE THERE, AND MOST OF THOSE ARE AROUND DENSITY CAPS, LIMITS AND REGULATIONS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ARE THERE OWN [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHEN WAS THIS POWERPOINT MADE? >> WE FIRST STARTED DEVELOPING IT IN ABOUT JUNE. WE'VE BEEN AUGMENTING IT FOR EVERY ONE OF OUR PRESENTATIONS. >> JUST WANTED BECAUSE WHEN WE WENT BACK TO THAT POSSIBLE LEGAL CHALLENGES, I KNOW WE HAD A WHAT A COURT DECISION ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, AND PART OF THAT OPINION WAS, YOU CANNOT LEGITIMATELY PASS GOVERNMENT POLICY WHERE YOU CAN DO IT LEGITIMATELY SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF YOU'RE DOING THIS IN THE NAME OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANY FOLKS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF YOU'RE DOING THIS ON NOISE, TRASH, WHATEVER COMES DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT. I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW DOES THAT RULING IMPACT IF WE WERE TO SAY DENSITY LIMIT, BANS, RESTRICTIONS, AND ALL THIS STUFF? [03:05:03] >> WELL, AS COUNCIL IS AWARE THE ISSUE IS FLUID WITH THE LEGISLATIVE AND OF COURSE, IT'S FLUID HERE WITH THE CITY OF GALVESTON. WE'D HAVE TO REALLY GET THE DIRECTION WHERE YOU WANT TO GO AND WHAT YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS AT THE TIME. IT'S A VERY FLUID TYPE OF SITUATION THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. >> THAT'S CHANGING ALMOST EVERY QUARTER, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OTHER CHANGES AS DON SEND OUT TO EVERYBODY COMING UP WITH THE CASES IN GRAPEVINE IN ARLINGTON. WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING SOME NEW THINGS JUST COME UP HERE SHORTLY. AS THE STATE LEGISLATURE OPENS UP, THERE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE BILLS THAT WILL PREVENT MUNICIPALITIES FROM ENACTING ANY REGULATIONS AGAINST SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IT'S GOING TO BE A MOVING TARGET RIGHT NOW. YES. >> ONE MORE QUESTION. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FOR A CITY THAT DOES THOSE BOTTOM BULLETS, AND THEN THE LEGISLATURE DOES PASS LAWS AGAINST THEM. WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE [NOISE]? >> IF THE LEGISLATURE PREEMPTS SOMETHING, THEN IT'S PREEMPTED, AND THOSE CHALLENGES WOULD COME TO THOSE JURISDICTIONS, EITHER BECAUSE A PERSON IS FEELING THAT IT'S A PREEMPTION AND THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OR AND THIS WOULD PROBABLY HAPPEN IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON, WE WOULD INFORM THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE BEEN PREEMPTED ON THIS FRONT AND WHATEVER HAS BEEN PREEMPTED IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. IF WE CAN COME WITH SOME ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MEET THE NEED OR THE INTENT BEHIND IT THAT IS NOT A PREEMPTION THEN I THINK WE WOULD GO FORWARD THAT WAY. BUT A PREEMPTION IS A PREEMPTION. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE STEERING OFF THE TOPIC EXACTLY. THIS IS NOT WHAT BRYSON IS HERE FOR. >> SORRY. [OVERLAPPING]. >> NO. THIS IS ABOUT REGISTRATION AND THE COMPLIANCE OF WHAT ESSENTIALLY [INAUDIBLE]. BECAUSE WE GET THOSE THINGS UNDER CONTROL THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. WE'RE A LONG WAY DOWN THAT ROAD. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT REGULATIONS WE WANT TO ADD ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS THEMSELVES, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. >> RIGHT NOW I WANT TO GET BRYSON TO THE [LAUGHTER] PRESIDENT [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]. >> BECAUSE TEXAS HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF LIMITATIONS THAN CALIFORNIA OR COLORADO, SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. >> ONE THING I WANT TO ADD ABOUT THE DIFFERENT CITIES AND WHAT WE LEARNED IS THAT TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THEY SAID IF YOU HAD AN ADDITIVE GROUP OF FOLKS THAT WERE ORGANIZED AND WERE HELPING ON THE STAKEHOLDER SIDE, YOU HAD A FAR GREATER RATE OF SUCCESS. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE ORGANIZED GROUP OF VOCATIONAL OPERATORS AND MANAGERS HERE THAT HAD BEEN ORGANIZED SHOULD WHAT THEY LEARNED IN OTHER CITIES BE TRUE, YOU WILL FIND A GREATER LEVEL OF SUCCESS WITH YOUR PROGRAM. >> WILL JUST GO OVER THAT REALLY QUICK. SO WE THE CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE IN TERMS OF THEIR REGISTRATION FEE RANGE. IT RANGES FROM FIVE DOLLARS TO OVER $1200. I THINK THAT FIVE DOLLARS, ONE WAS IN BAIL. IF YOU HAD A CONDO OR A GROUP LIKE THAT, YOU CAN REGISTER FOR THE CHEAPER PRICE. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALL OVER THE MAP. TYPICALLY WHAT WE SAW IS THAT THE FEES THEN ARE USED TO COVER THE COSTS OF THE PROGRAM AND THEN THERE'S OTHER INITIATIVES AS THOSE LOCAL GOVERNING BODIES DECIDED THEY WANTED TO USE THAT MONEY. AGAIN, I JUST MENTIONED AS WHERE THE FEES GO TYPICALLY IT COVER THE COSTS OF THE PROGRAM INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SOME PLACES PUT IT INTO CODE COMPLIANCE AND AREAS LIKE THAT. ON THE ENFORCEMENT STRUCTURE, AGAIN, YOUR FINE STRUCTURE RANGE WENT FROM 500 ALL THE WAY UP TO 2500 IN ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES THAT WE SAW. VAIL IS THE ONE THAT HAS THESE SCALED ONE AND THEN LA QUINTA HAS ONE TOO. I HAVE THE NUMBERS WRONG. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THE REVOCATION FOR TWO YEARS UPON YOUR THIRD VIOLATION. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF FINE STRUCTURES OUT THERE AS WELL. AGAIN, JUST THE KEY TAKEAWAYS, REGULATIONS SHOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WANT THEM TO BE SIMPLE. [NOISE] YOU WANT THEM EASY TO FOLLOW. YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO BE TOO ARCANE IS WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE OTHER PLACES. FAIR REGULATION ENSURES GREATER COMPLIANCE AND GREATER BUYING INTO THE PROGRAM. OF COURSE, ACTUALLY ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE THROUGH PUNITIVE FINES. IT'S HOW WE'RE REMOVING THE BAD ACTORS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE TALKED. WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RELAY THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL. >> MANY CITIES WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEXAS CITIES EARLIER, SOMEBODY SAID WOULD HAVE SUCH A LOW RATE OF COMPLIANCE. SO MODELING AFTER A CITY AND MAYBE BECAUSE IT'S NEARBY OR BECAUSE IT'S MADE A DESTINATION YOU MIGHT LIKE. [03:10:02] IT MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD TACTIC JUST BECAUSE THEIR COMPLIANCE LEVEL AND THEIR PROGRAMS COURSE. THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO GO AFTER THE FOLKS WHO HAD A GOOD RATE OF COMPLIANCE. >> DAVID. >> HERE WE GO BACK TO YOUR SOFTWARE. FIRST OF ALL, WE CITY PARK BOARD DECKER, WE NEED TO BE REAL CLEAR ON WHO OWNS THIS DATA, WHERE IT RESIDES OR ACCESS TO IT IS, WHO IS WRITING REPORTS, WHO CAN'T WRITE THE REPORTS, WHO HAS THE ACCESS TO THE DASHBOARD AND SO FORTH. WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE PRETTY READY ACCESS TO DATA IN NEAR REAL TIME. LIKE WE SAY, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CUSTOMIZE REPORTS. I AM ASSUMING WE CAN DO THAT. >> YES, THERE IS AD HOC ACCORDING TO THE BOOK. >> BUT THE ACTUAL OWNERSHIP OF THAT DATA, CITIES CHARGING REGISTRATION FEES TO PAY FOR IT, THE DATA, BUT WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S TRUE WITH A SOFTWARE COMPANY. >> ABSOLUTELY. I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH DAN AND ALSO WITH THE VENDOR. WE DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. THEY ARE ALREADY COOL. >> VERY GOOD. WHEN DOES THIS GO INTO EFFECT OR YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION IN YOUR MOVING FORWARD? >> YES, THE BOARD APPROVED IT. I THINK IT WAS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE APPROVED ENTRY INTO CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS WHICH WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE A FINALIZED CONTRACT. MORE THAN HAPPY ONCE WE GET THERE. DAN AND I HAVE TALKED SHARING THAT SO WE BOTH CAN DO A REVIEW OVER HERE. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THAT NEGOTIATION PROCESS. >> YOUR GOAL TIMELINE, I THINK YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT REU-PPING FOR NOTIFYING NEW REGISTRATIONS DECEMBER 1ST, IS THAT CORRECT? >>YES. WE ARE GOALS INTO DECEMBER 1ST GOAL LINE DATE. IF WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT BY THEN, OUR OLD SYSTEM WILL STILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE REGISTRATION. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE IF WE NEED TO. BUT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE IT UP AND RUNNING BY DECEMBER 1ST, SO WE CAN USE THE NEW SYSTEM. >> SPEAKING OF REGISTRATIONS, THIS IS CURRENTLY $50 PER UNIT? >> YES, SIR. >> CASTLE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT REGISTRATION RATES HERE, [NOISE] JUST MIGHT NEED SOME INPUT FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. GIVE GUIDANCE ON THIS WHERE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ON REGISTRATION DATE. >> WELL, STEP 1 IS TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE SERVICE WE'RE GETTING HERE, BUT $50 IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO COVER THAT. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE $80-$90, 100 PER UNIT. >> NO, I DISAGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT MINIMUM. >> NO. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST WITH THE COST TO COVER OUR OVERHEAD HERE. THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ABOUT COMPLIANCE AND WHO WE WANT ON THIS MAKING SURE WE'RE COVERING OUR COST ON MARSHALS, ON PD BECAUSE SOME OF IT IS IN DAYTIME, SOME OF IT IS AT NIGHTTIME. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR RIGHT NOW. >> AS PART OF THAT DETERMINATION OF THE FEE IS THIS EMERGENCY CALL CENTER AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THAT, FROM THOSE CALLS COMING IN BECAUSE THAT HAS A BEARING ON THE COST AND SO FORTH HERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS ON THAT. FROM THAT REGISTRATION FEE, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT THOUGH, AS YOU START YOUR REGISTRATIONS DECEMBER 1ST, THIS COUNCIL WOULD NEED TO GIVE DIRECTION ON THAT IN A FORMAL MANNER SO THAT YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. ANY ADVANCE NOTICE WOULD BE GREAT, WOULD BE APPRECIATED >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW. [LAUGHTER] >> WE SHOULD HAVE IT ON OUR TIP. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THIS SHOULD BE ON OCTOBER CIRCUIT. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ON OCTOBER AGENDA SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY. >> BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS IF WE WORKED OUT IN OCTOBER. >> WE COULD WORKSHOP ON BOTH. WE'VE DONE THAT. >> I HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS. BUT [NOISE] IF WE PASS IT IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING SO THE PRICE IS AHEAD OF THAT IF WE GO LIVE. >> THE GOOD NEWS IS IN NOVEMBER MEETING TOO EARLY BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] >> OCTOBER MEETING IS FAR AWAY. IT'S LIKE THE END OF THE BOTH YEAR. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'LL HAVE A SECOND MEETING. WE HAVE EARLY MEETING IN OCTOBER. >> WE DO, SURE. >> BUT WE CAN ALWAYS CALL SPECIAL [INAUDIBLE] TOO. >> BUT THE NOVEMBER MEETING IS LIKE THE 15TH. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IN OCTOBER WE NEED TO GET SOME CLARITY ON WHERE WE'RE GOING, SO WE KNOW WE'RE PASSING IN NOVEMBER SO THEIR PRICE IS NOT SURPASSED. >> PRICE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU NEED AT LEAST A MONTH IN ADVANCE, HOPEFULLY PRIOR TO DECEMBER 1ST, TO EDUCATE THE INDIVIDUALS IN THE UNITS AND THE [INAUDIBLE] INDIVIDUALS AND THE MANAGEMENT. >> THE LITERATURE AND STUFF. >> YEAH. VERY GOOD. I'M GOING TO BRING UP ONE TOPIC. I KNOW IN 2014 WE PASSED OR 2015 WE PASSED IN THE LDRS PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR [03:15:05] SHORT TERM RENTALS AND IT'S WELL-UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT STARTED FOR ANY SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT REGISTERED AFTER 2015. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE BEEN ENFORCING THAT. I KNOW DON HAS MENTIONED IN A MEMO THAT CAME OUT LAST NIGHT THAT IT COULD BE THAT WE WOULD WANT THESE UNITS WHEN THEY RE-REGISTER TO PRESENT THEIR PARKING PLAN. IT WAS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH BEDROOM, TWO OF THEM CAN BE ON THE STREET, OTHERS HAVE TO BE OFFSITE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOFTWARE COULD DEAL WITH OR YOUR ASSISTANT COULD DEAL WITH? I THINK THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION HERE. >> YES, WE CAN TAILOR THE REGISTRATION PROCESS AS ITS CODIFIED ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER CHANGES, IT'S SPOTTY MAYBE. >> WE CAN SCAN THE DOCUMENTS AS PART OF THE BACKUP TOO. SO IF THERE'S A QUESTION THAT COMES UP AND SOMEBODY SAYS THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THOSE SPOTS, YOU CAN SAY NO, THEY HAVE A PLAN, THEY SHOWED IT. >> THAT CAN BE PART OF THE PROFILE. >> YES, BRIAN. >> I GUESS WE HAVEN'T BEEN ENFORCING THAT CORRECTLY. BUT HOW ENFORCEABLE IS THAT ACTUALLY? >> I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT. >> I LIVE ON 17TH AND THEN I PARK AROUND THE CORNER, IT'S FREE. IT'S PUBLIC PARKING. HOW WOULD YOU BEGIN TO ADDRESS THAT THAT CAR ACTUALLY BELONGS TO THAT STR? >> THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION, ACTUALLY. THE QUESTION IS THE PARKING PLAN THAT SAYS YOU HAVE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE FORD, YOU GOT TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO OFF THE STREET. >> I AGREE. HERE'S MY PLAN BUT HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THE SIX CARS TO THAT. I PARK MY FORD TWO BLOCKS DOWN, HOW DO YOU EVEN BEGIN TO TELL ME THAT THAT'S FROM THE STR? >> WELL, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF YOU CAN ENFORCE IT IN TERMS OF SOMEONE PARKING IN AN OPEN PARKING SPACE AND THEY'RE VISITING THE HOME. WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT. >> IT BECOMES MUCH EASIER IN OUR DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS WHERE WE'VE TO MIRROR THIS IN THERE. IF YOU'RE IN THE EASTERN HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT GETS A LOT EASIER TO DO THIS. IN YOUR DISTRICT, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN PARKING AREAS, IT GETS HARDER BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC PARKING. I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY PARKS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT I CAN DO ABOUT IT. >> AS WE'VE LEARNED. >> BUT IT WOULD BE EASY IN MY DISTRICT. [LAUGHTER]. >> NOTHING'S EASY IN YOUR DISTRICT. >> WE HAVE HOUSES BRINGING 25 CARS AND THEY'RE EVERYWHERE. THAT WOULD BE EASY. >> BRIAN, BUT IT'S TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS. IF THEY WANT TO PARK ON THE STREET AND AROUND THE BLOCK AND DOWN THE STREET, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN REALLY DO ABOUT THAT. BUT THE QUESTION IS THE ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE OFF-STREET PARKING IF THEY HAVE OVER TWO BEDROOMS. THAT ORDINANCE IS ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE PROCEED WITH THAT BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, I THINK. YES, JOHN. >> HOW, IN ONE INSTANCE, CAN YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH THEM AS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY AND ANOTHER ORDINATES THAT DEALS WITH THEM IN A RESIDENTIAL ENTITY? IF I HAVE A RESIDENTIAL CONDO DOWNTOWN WHERE I'M NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE PARKING, HOW CAN YOU THEN SAY SHORT-TERM RENTALS NEED PARKING? >> A PART OF THE ADOPTION OF THE LDRS AND THE ADDITION OF THE STR REGULATIONS, I WOULD SAY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY DECIDED THEY WERE GOING TO DO. THE LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZES AN STR AS USE THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL USE. PARKING CAN BE A SEPARATE TYPE OF SITUATION IN CITIES. PARKING CAN BE REGULATED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER OR A DIFFERENT FORM BASED ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE GROUND AT THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION. WE HAVE PARKING REGULATIONS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS. CITY MANAGEMENT, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> WELL, DOWNTOWN, FOR INSTANCE. THEY CAN'T PARK. ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN PAID PARKING ZONE, THEY COULDN'T DESIGNATE THOSE AS PARKING SPOTS. I WOULD THINK IF I HAD A PLACE DOWNTOWN, I WOULD DESIGNATE I HAVE TWO SPOTS IN THE FROST GARAGE. >> WELL, MY QUESTION THOUGH IS THAT PARKING REGULATIONS, MOST OF THEM, ARE TIED TO ZONING, WHICH ARE TIED TO USE. SO IF I HAVE A RESIDENTIAL UNIT [03:20:03] AND I DON'T HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEN HOW DO YOU THEN SAY, NO, YOUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING. >> I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THERE ARE ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. BUT I KNOW, I'M SORRY, TIM, TO BRING YOU UP, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MAYBE HAS SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> THERE ARE REGULATIONS FOR PARKING IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. >> SURE. YEAH, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE. >> THIS ONE IS IF YOU'RE LIVING IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT THAT MAY NOT HAVE RESIDENTIAL PARKING. >> THERE ARE ZONING CATEGORIES THAT DON'T REQUIRE PARKING. WITHIN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, HOW DO YOU THEN SEPARATE THAT STR FROM A RESIDENTIAL UNIT? >> IT'S MORE LIKE IT'S A LAYERING CRITERIA. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS THE PERMIT COMES IN AND MAKING SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE BASE ZONING REQUIREMENT. AS STRS COME IN THOUGH, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE SEEING ALL THOSE. >> YOU'RE NOT. >> WE HAVE A MEANS OF ENFORCING, EVEN IN OUR PLANNING. >> SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. >> WELL, I SEE THAT. [LAUGHTER] I THINK YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. MY CONCERN IS WE HAVE THIS ON THE BOOKS CONCERNING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND EITHER CHANGE THAT OR WHATEVER BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. IF WE GOT IT ON THE BOOKS, WE EITHER NEED TO TAKE IT OFF THE BOOKS OR WE NEED TO ENFORCE IT. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. GOOD. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ON OUR OCTOBER AGENDA. >> CAN WE MAKE IT WARMER IN HERE? IT'S FREEZING. >> IT'S FOR THE ICE CREAM PARTY LATER. >> HERE WE GO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 4-3 VOTE ON THE TEMPERATURE. [LAUGHTER] >> WE NEED HEATED BLANKETS. >> COUNCILWOMAN ROB NEEDS A BLANKET. [LAUGHTER] >> IF WE CAN TURN UP THE HEAT ON THIS, IF SOMEBODY'S IN CHARGE OF THIS. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT GOLF CARTS, THAT'LL BRING THE HEAT UP. [LAUGHTER] [13.C. Discussion of Potential Golf Cart Ordinance Changes (Legal - 30 min)] >> LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 13C, PLEASE. >> NICE TO SEE YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL GOLF CART ORDINANCE CHANGES. >> COUNCIL, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA. A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN'T COME FOR THIS AND THEN IT DIDN'T TURN OUT TO BE WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WAS. THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TO BE, BASICALLY, AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE ON THIS GOLF CART ISSUE. WE MET ON THIS ISSUE AT LUNCHTIME RIGHT AFTER SOME OF THE ORIGINAL ACCIDENTS OCCURRED. WE MET ON THIS ISSUE, WE STARTED TO PUT EMPHASIS ON ENFORCEMENT, INCREASED TRAFFIC CONTROL, DWI TASK FORCE, LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTIONS TO MAKE THEM A SAFER INTERSECTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING CHANGES TO THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE. IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S ON THE AGENDA TO NECESSARILY MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT WE NEED TO UPDATE, GET EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS, SEE WHERE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE WITH THIS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I THINK I KNOW MOST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' FEELINGS ON THIS BUT WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT THERE. WE NEED TO PUT IT TO BED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER AND WE JUST NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. >> IF YOU READ THE NEWSPAPER THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW HOW SEVERAL OTHERS. [LAUGHTER] >> I KNOW. ANYWAY, LET'S OPEN THIS UP. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO STEP INTO THE ARENA HERE AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT GOLF CART? >> I WILL. >> YES, MA'AM. [LAUGHTER] >> ONE THING YOU CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE, IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS BEING PUSHED INTO THE CITIES OR THE ONE WAY STREETS. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT OF HAVING GOLF CART ON THIS SEAWALL, IS CAUSING PART OF THAT ISSUE. BECAUSE AS SOMEONE JUST POINTED OUT TO ME TODAY, THEY WERE ON THE SEAWALL AND THE PERSON IN FRONT OF THEM OR THEY GOLF CARTS THAT HAVE THE GOVERNOR, WHATEVER THAT'S CALLED, THAT IS 20 MILES AN HOUR. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE INNER CITY STREETS AND THAT'S CAUSING MORE TRAFFIC ON THE INNER CITY STREETS. >> IF I UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE GOLF CART ARE ON THE SEAWALL, VEHICLES ARE MOVING INTO THE CITY TO USING INNER CITY STREETS? [03:25:05] >> I'M SAYING IT'S INCREASING THAT TRAFFIC ON THE INNER CITY STREET. >> HOW'S THAT DATA, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? [OVERLAPPING] HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT ONE? >> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MEASURE IT. IT IS SET FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMMUTED FROM LMP. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT IS INCREASED SINCE WE BECAME SO LIBERAL WITH GOLF CARTS. I ALSO THINK THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THE COMMERCIAL FEE ON GOLF CARTS. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WHEN A PERSON IS FOUND ON AN AREA THAT THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE ON, THAT NOT ONLY SHOULD THE DRIVER BE PENALIZED, BUT THE PERSON WHO RENTS THAT GOLF CART SHOULD BE PENALIZED. I KNOW THEY SAY THEY HAVE GPS TRACKING, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT ISN'T WORKING BECAUSE EVERY DAY, YOU SEE MORE IN AREAS WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T BE. >> MARIE, JUST SO WE CAN BE CLEAR, WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS, YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT AN INCREASE FEE FOR THE REGISTRATION OF RENTAL GOLF CARTS. YOU TALK ABOUT THE COMPANIES BEING PENALIZED IF THERE'S VIOLATIONS ALONG WITH THE DRIVER OF THE GOLF CART. [OVERLAPPING] >> CORRECT. >> CLARIFY THIS SEAWALL NOW. I'M STILL HAZY ON THIS. WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING? >> I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT GOLF CARTS, THE STREETS WITH SPEED LIMITS UNDER 30 MILES AN HOUR. >> THIRTY OR UNDER? >> THIRTY OR UNDER. >> NOW, THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THEM INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. >> THAT WOULD BE ALL AT ONCE. >> WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE SEAWALL THEN OR WAS THAT A SEPARATE DISCUSSION? >> MIGHT BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE COULD RAISE THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE SEAWALL. >> BUT YOU COULD SAY GOLF CARTS WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ON THE STREET WITH THE SPEED LIMITS GREATER THAN 30 MILES AN HOUR. THAT WOULD TAKE THEM ALL TO THE SEAWALL TAKE WALLS TO ERODE THE WALL. >> VIEW SCREENS. IT WILL PUT THEM THEN IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. >> IT WOULDN'T GET THEM OUT NEIGHBORHOODS,. >> LET'S PUT MORE CARS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT NOW. [OVERLAPPING] IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOLVES A PROBLEM, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK A THE WAY THE LAWS WRITTEN AS FAR AS DROPPING TO A GOLF COURSE FASTER PLAYING COMMUNITIES. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS HAVING GOLF CARTS ON THAT SEA WALL. >> [OVERLAPPING] LEGALLY HOLD THE RENTAL COMPANY WITH A FINE IF THE FIRE BREAK THE LAW GRANTING GOLF CART, IS THERE A LEGAL TO FIND THE GOLF CART COMPANY? BECAUSE IN MY HEAD IT'D BE ENTERPRISE GETTING A DWI TICKET BECAUSE SOMEBODY GOT CAUGHT WITH THE DWI. >> YOU MAY WANT TO LIKEN IT TO THE BAR OWNER WHO SERVED THE PERSON WHO GOT THE DWI, THE LEGISLATION ALLOWS THAT. AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF COUNCIL DIRECT LEGAL INTO IT, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. I DON T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT OFF HEAD. >> DONNA, THE GOLF CARTS OR A MOTOR THEY'RE UNDER THE MOTOR VEHICLE GUIDELINES. IF I'M RENTING A CAR FROM ENTERPRISE AND AMOUNT SPEEDING THEN ENTERPRISE GETS A TICKET ALSO AS WELL AS I DO. >> WELL, THE REASON WHY I PREFACE THAT IS THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE, WE'VE ALSO SAID THAT RENTAL GOLF CART COMPANIES ARE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT WORKBOOKS AT A TRAVEL ETC. >> CORRECT. >> AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT LEGAL WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF COUNCIL DIRECTS THAT THEY WOULD WANT. >> THERE'S A LOT OF PERMUTATIONS HERE. IF YOU PARK YOUR ENTERPRISE RENTAL CAR IN A PARKING LOT, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN, IT'S GOING TO GET TOWED AND ENTERPRISE HAS PAID TO GET TO CAR BAGS. [OVERLAPPING]. >> IF YOU'D GO THROUGH A TOLL ROAD AND YOU'RE A NEVER-ENDING CAR, IT'S THE RENTAL COMPANY WHO GETS THE PENALTY. [OVERLAPPING] >> NOW, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T, BUT IF YOU DID THAT, EVEN THE DRIVER COULD GET A TICKET IN THE COMPANY HAD TAKEN DOWN WHETHER THEY PASS THAT COST ALONG TO THE DRIVER BECAUSE REMEMBER, THEY'RE HOLDING THEIR CREDIT CARD. THAT'S BETWEEN THEM. BUT THERE IS A WAY THAT I THINK YOU COULD DO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT BUT THERE'S A LOT INVOLVED AND THEIR LEGAL NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT. [03:30:02] >> I DON'T WANT TO, BUT I WANTED TO OMIT THINGS, COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM. I'M GOING TO BRING UP TWO OTHER TOPICS AND WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL AT ONE TIME. IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING A CURFEW ON GOLF CARTS AND IT WAS ALSO TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN AGE LIMITS ON GOLF CARTS. MY SENSE IS I DON'T HAVE AN INTEREST IN PURSUING THAT, UNLESS THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TO PURSUE THAT. I THINK THOSE TWO SUBJECTS WE COULD DRAW. >> WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CURFEW. PERHAPS IF IT APPLIES TO WHEN A CAR IS RENTED, THEY CAN ONLY BE RUNNING BETWEEN XYZ AND XYZ, RUNNING A GOLF CART AT MIDNIGHT MORE THAN LIKELY. >> I DO THAT ON THE WEST END WHEN HOMEOWNERS OR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS RENT A CAR FOR A WEEKEND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> NO. I'M SAYING YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RENT A CAR AT MIDNIGHT. >> IF A BUSINESS WAS OPENED 24/7 WHY WOULDN'T YOU BE ABLE TO RENT THE GOLF CART AT MIDNIGHT? >> NO. I'M SAYING THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT. IT HITS QUESTION WAS, WHAT DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT? IF WE LOOK AT CURFEWS, THAT CAN BE SOMETHING IN THAT TIMES WHEN YOU'RE ALLOWED TO RENT THEM. THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO ADDRESS IT VERSUS SAYING GOLF CARTS AREN'T ALLOWED ON THE ROADS. [OVERLAPPING] >> IF YOU WERE TO SAY YOU WERE IN THAT OVERNIGHT, THAT GOLF CART NOT ALLOWED TO BE ON THE ROAD IN THOSE TIME PERIOD? >> WELL, I THINK SO. >> THAT'S WHAT HE'S ASKING THE QUESTION, DO WE WANT TO PUT A GOLF CART ON CURFEW ON THE TIME A GOLF CART CAN BE USED OR DO WE WANT TO PUT A CURFEW ON WHEN A GOLF CART CAN BE RENTED? >> WELL, I THINK HE'S SAYING WE DON'T COMPETE? [OVERLAPPING] >> I'M SAYING THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT GOLF CART, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] >> THOSE COMPANIES AREN'T PUT IN AS FAR AS I KNOW. >> I THINK ON PENALIZING THE DRIVER OF THE GOLF CART AND THE RENTAL COMPANY ON A MOVING VIOLATION, I THINK WE NEED TO GET MORE DATA FROM LEGAL ON THAT, SEE WHERE WE NEED TO HEAD ON THAT AM NOT SURE. PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S A STRETCH, BUT WE CAN SEE WHAT LEGAL WANTS TO DO WITH THAT. I THINK RIGHT NOW THE DISCUSSION IS CENTERING AROUND GOLF CARTS ON THE SEA WALL. ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, COUNCIL? MIKE. >> WE HAD A MEETING WITH SOME GOLF CART REPRESENTATIVES IN TOWN AND THE THING THAT STRUCK A NERVE WITH ME IS, THESE PEOPLE HAVE A COMPANY IN TOWN AND THEY SAY GALVESTON IS NOT A BUSINESS FRIENDLY TOWN BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESSES ARE IN THE UP IN THE AIR BASED UPON TRAVELING DOWN THE SEAWALL OR THESE REGULATIONS THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT PASS OR ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. TO ME AS A BUSINESS PERSON IS, WHEN I OWNED A BUSINESS, TO ME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE WILLING TO WRITE THEIR OWN ORDINANCES AND THEY ARE WILLING TO WRITE THEIR OWN STANDARDS FOR EVERYBODY TO UPHOLD AND ABIDE BY THAT, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY GOOD BECAUSE I'M NOT IN THE GOLF CART BUSINESS. I RIDE THE GOLF CART BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN GOLF CART AS A RESIDENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF A BUSINESS AND WHAT THEY GO THROUGH DAILY. WE ALSO HAD A SPELL THERE FOR AWHILE WITH THE MARSHALS AND GETTING THE PARKING AND SERIES STUFF ALL WORKED OUT AND THAT'S WORKED OUT NOW, BUT NOW WE'RE COMING BACK AROUND TO WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE GOLF CARTS ON THE SEAWALL OR NOT. MY THING IS AS GOLF CARTS ARE PART OF OUR TOURIST ATTRACTION, I DON'T SEE HOW WE HAVE THEM ON THE SEAWALL AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO JERK THE RUG UNDERNEATH THEM AND TAKE IT AWAY. I'M FOR GOLF CARTS ON THE SEA WALL AND ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE ISLAND BESIDES MAJOR THOROUGHFARES THAT ARE ALREADY MARKED. >> OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> MY ONLY COMMENT TO THIS AS, I WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE RULE, REGULATIONS AND I'D LIKE LEGAL TO TELL ME WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO TO ADDRESS THE RENTAL COMPANIES. MY THOUGHT WOULD BE TO LINK THIS WITH SOME LICENSE OR OCCUPANCY [03:35:03] SO WE COULD REVOKE THOSE IF A COMPANY HAD SO MANY VIOLATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE MY PITCH RIGHT NOW AND THEN I WON'T SAY ANOTHER WORD ABOUT GOLF CARTS. RULES ARE GREAT BUT WE HAVE TO COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR ADEQUATE ENFORCEMENT. I GUARANTEE THE GOLF CAR COMPANIES WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. RESPECTFUL ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO TAX EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY TO STAND-UP SPECIAL GOLF CART ENFORCEMENT. IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND PASS RULES FOR GOLF CARTS AND GOLF CART RENTAL COMPANIES AND ALL THAT, THE FEES HAVE TO MATCH UP TO THE ENFORCEMENT COST. END OF MY RANT. [LAUGHTER] I'M DONE. [OVERLAPPING]. >> CURRENTLY THE REGISTRATION FEE ON RENTAL CARTS IS175, IS THAT CORRECT? >> ONE-FIFTY I THINK. >> ONE-FIFTY? >> IS IT? I THINK IT'S 150. >> OKAY. DID YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? >> NO. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING THAT MIKE SAID ABOUT GOLF CART COMPANIES ARE WILLING TO WRITE THEIR OWN ORDINANCE I'M SURE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE WILLING TO WRITE THEIR OWN ORDINANCE, AS WELL AS BARS WANT TO WRITE THEIR OWN ORDINANCE. THEY ARE THE POLICY MAKERS IN THE CITY. I LISTEN THEM, I TAKE THEIR INPUT BUT I DON'T THINK ANY INDUSTRY SHOULD BE WRITING IT'S OWN ORDINANCES. >> YOU SHOULD READ WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR ORDINANCES BEYOND WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. >> I'VE READ THAT AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT. >> IF THEY ALL DIDN'T WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. >> RIGHT. >> YEAH. THE KEY IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TEETH IN THAT THEY HAVE TO HOLD THESE OTHER GOLF CART COMPANIES TO THAT. >> IF YOU PUT THEM IN AN ORDINANCE, THEN IT COMES DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT. >> YEAH. >> RIGHT. >> EXACTLY. DAVID. >> IF YOU THINK COMPANIES DON'T WRITE THEIR OWN LAW, YOU HAVEN'T MET THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. [LAUGHTER] SECONDLY, I'M JUST DISINCLINED TO MESS WITH THIS ANY FURTHER. >> DISINCLINED TO WHAT, DAVID? >> TO MESS WITH THIS ANY FURTHER? >> YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO RAISE FEES? >> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO RAISE IT TO? AND WHAT DO YOU USING IT IN FOR? ARE WE FALLING SHORT ON COMPLIANCE NOW? >> YEAH. >> IS COMPLIANCE COSTING MORE THAN WE'RE READING OUT RIGHT NOW? >> I THINK THAT WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE DEDICATED ENFORCEMENT OF THIS RIGHT NOW, AND WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS OFF HOURS ENFORCEMENT. WE'RE RELYING ON PD TO DO THAT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF THAT EARLIER AND IT WAS HIGH-RAISING. >> IT'S A LOT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN COVER THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING I'D BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IN THE FUTURE. [OVERLAPPING] BAN AND I'M HERE CHANGING SPEED LIMITS. >> WE CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT METHODS. MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO HIRE FULL-TIME MARSHALS TO DO THAT, BUT MAYBE WE CREATE AN OVERTIME PROGRAM TO DO IT, OR MAYBE WE PARTNER WITH PD WHERE THERE'S A HAND-OFF FROM THE MARSHALS TO PD AND A CERTAIN SHIFT CHANGE. WE ARE INCREASING OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT UNIT. BUT THEN AGAIN TOO, I DON'T WANT TO TIE UP MY WHOLE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT UNIT JUST DEALING WITH GOLF CARTS. >> THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LOOK TO PLACE THE BURDEN ON THE RENTAL COMPANY. IF YOU PLACE A BURDEN ON THE RENTAL COMPANY, THEY'RE GOING TO REGULATE THEMSELVES, THEY'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THE REGULATIONS, THEY ARE NOT WANT TO GET FINED. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO HAVE THEIR LICENSE OR OCCUPANCY TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. THERE'S NO RESPONSIBILITY HERE ON THE RENTAL COMPANIES TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE, SO WHY WHY DO IT? PUT THE BURDEN ON THE RENTER AND SEND THEM ON THEIR WAY. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE RIGHT NOW. >> JOHN, LET ME MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THAT WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS WE NEED TO HAVE NOT ONLY ENFORCEMENT BUT A STRICT REFINED STRUCTURE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMPANIES. >> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT IF THERE WERE PENALTIES FOR THE RENTAL COMPANIES. >> SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. >> YOU WOULDN'T NEED THE ENFORCEMENT IF THERE WERE STRICTER PENALTIES ON THE RENTAL COMPANIES. >> RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING INCREASED PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF ACTIVITIES THAT THEY'RE HELD UNDER NOW IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE FOR GOLF CARTS? >> YES. >> HOW OFTEN DO WE OR CAN WE TOW A GOLF CARTS? >> I THINK THAT'S A MATTER OF ORDINANCE. I THINK IF YOU CATCH A GOLF CART IN AN UNAUTHORIZED AREA, [03:40:02] THERE'S REALLY NO WAY TO GET IT OUT OF UNAUTHORIZED AREA WITHOUT DRIVING IT THROUGH IT AGAIN, I THINK YOU YOU TOW THE CAR. >> THERE'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS BACK ONTO THE COMPANY. >> THAT'S ONE THING. >> IF THEY DON'T PASS THAT OFF TO THEIR CUSTOMER. >> I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO. WELL, I KIND OF DO CARE WHAT THEY DO. >> IF THEY CAN PASS THAT FINE TO THEIR CUSTOMER, AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE RESPONSIBILITY IN IT. >> THEY PUT IT IN THEIR RENTAL AGREEMENT. I'M SORRY. >> YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THEM FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE. PUTTING A BURDEN ON THEM TO THEN TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF THE DEPOSIT THAT THEY HAVE. >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE TOW GOLF CARTS, BUT I'M TELLING YOU THEY MAY PASS ON THE FINANCIAL FINE TO THE DRIVER OF THE GOLF CART, BUT THEY STILL GOT TO TAKE THE TIME TO GO RETRIEVE THE GOLF CART, THEY'VE LOST THE REVENUE FROM THAT GOLF CART WHILE IT'S BEING IMPOUNDED, ALL THOSE TYPE THINGS. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING VIOLATIONS, JOHN, ON GOLF CARTS? >> I THINK THAT IS IT. >> NOT NECESSARILY MOVING VIOLATIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD THE RENTER RESPONSIBLE IF THEY GUY DIDN'T TURN HIS BLINKER ON WHEN HE TURNS. BUT IF THEY'RE FOUND OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT OR IF THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT REALLY DESERVE SOME SCRUTINY, THEN THEY NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THIS. WE'VE SEEN THEM COME TO US AND SAY, WE'VE GOT GPS TRACKERS ON IT, WE KEEP THEM IN THE DESIGNATED AREA, BUT THEN WE'VE SEEN THEM NOT IN THAT AREA AND THERE'S NO REAL RESPONSIBILITY ON THEM TO FOR THAT BURDEN. >> IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. >> SOMEHOW YOU'VE GOT TO SHIFT THE ENFORCEMENT ACT ON TO THEM TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW. >> I AGREE. >> ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS FINES AND PENALTIES AND THINGS THAT ACTUALLY CAN HURT THE BUSINESS. >> HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO TOW A GOLF CART? >> BUTCH? >> I CAN'T HEAR THE QUESTION? >> COST TO TOW A GOLF CART. >> SAME AS A CAR. >> IT'S THE SAME AS A CAR? >> HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS. STORAGE IS THE SAME AS THE CAR, IT'S TREATED THE SAME AS A MOTOR VEHICLE. >> COSTS [NOISE] THE OWNER OF THE CART $150. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WHAT DOES IT COST YOU? >> IT DOESN'T COST ME ANYTHING. >> NO. I MEAN, YOU'RE TAKING A PORTION OFF THE STREET. >> GREAT POINT, BECAUSE IT TAKES A WHILE TO TOW [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT'S A MINIMUM OF 30 MINUTES. I MEAN, THEY HAVE 30 MINUTES. IT COULD BE LONGER IF THE TRAFFIC IS WORSE. IT COULD BE AS LITTLE AS 10 MINUTES OR IT COULD BE AS LONG AS 45 MINUTES OR AN HOUR IF THE RECORD PASSES AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT ON ANOTHER ONE THAT EXTENDS IT ANOTHER 30 MINUTES. THAT'S JUST FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY. >> CAN A RENTAL COMPANY, IF THE GOLF CART IS TOWED, CAN THEY PUT IN THEIR CONTRACT OR A LEASE OR SIGNING THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THAT BACK PLUS SUM? >>SURE THEY CAN. >> YEAH. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT COST 150 CHARGE THEM 250, MAKE YOUR $100. >> [LAUGHTER] THAT DOESN'T HURT THE RENTAL COMPANY. IT MAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO DIRECTLY AFFECT THEM TO GET THEM TO POLICE THEIR OWN CARTS. >> I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THEM ARE. IT'S JUST WHEN DOES THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY COME DOWN FOR THE PERSON I JUST RENTED IT TO? >> SURE. BUT IF YOU'RE A GOOD BUSINESS OWNER, YOU WANT TO PUT THINGS IN PLACE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS. WE HAVE POSSIBLY SOME ROGUE AGENTS OUT THERE THAT AREN'T FOLLOWING REGULATIONS. >> WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU WILL PROVIDE THESE THINGS, YOU WILL GIVE THEM A MAP, THEY'VE GOT TO STAY ON THE RIGHT LANE. >> RIGHT. >> ONE EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT'S PUT ON A CAR RENTAL, YOU CAN'T RENT A CAR UNLESS YOU'RE 25. ON PROBABLY 90 PERCENT OF THE CONFIDENCE, THERE'S WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD DO WITH THE GOLF CARTS, BUT THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU CAN MAKE REGULATIONS. BUT I AGREE WITH JOHN 100 PERCENT, UNTIL THERE IS SOME OWNERS ON RENTAL COMPANY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE ISSUES BECAUSE THERE IS NO OWNERS, THERE'S NO PENALTY. >> WELL, I THINK WE'RE SPEAKING LEARNED BEHAVIOR AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TEACH THAT TOURIST LESSON ONCE. BUT THEN THE NEXT DAY THERE'S A WHOLE NEW TOURIST TO BE TAUGHT ANOTHER LESSON BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP CATCHING THE SAME PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOING TO LEARN THEY ARE NOT TO DO THIS. >> HALF THE TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE FIND INCONVENIENT ABOUT HAVING GOLF CARTS OUT AND THEN WE'LL SHIFT AND START TALKING ABOUT VIOLATIONS. [03:45:01] HOW MANY VIOLATIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? >> WHAT DO WE DO LABOR DAY, BUTCH? >> I THINK IT WAS LIKE 38 CITATIONS. >> WHAT WAS THE CITATION FOR? >> VARIOUS INFRACTIONS AMONG BEING IN PROHIBITED AREAS. SOME OF THEM NOT HAVING CHILD RESTRAINTS, SOME OF THEM HAD SEATBELTS, SOME OF THEM RED LIGHTS AND IT'S JUST THE VARIOUS. >> THOSE ARE MOVING VIOLATIONS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WOULD OR COULD OR WHAT GOOD IT WOULD DO TO PENALIZE THE COMPANY FOR SOMEBODY NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> WELL, BUT SOME OF THOSE WERE NO CHILD SEATS. >> WELL, THAT GETS TO MY QUESTION. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WHAT INFRACTIONS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? I THINK THAT'S THE KEY. >> I THINK YOU BEING OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT OR OUTSIDE BOUNDARIES MIGHT BE ONE OF THE INFRACTIONS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM THE GOLF CLUB COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE GPSS ON OUR CARTS. WE REGULATE WHERE THEY GO. IF YOU SAY THAT, THEN REGULARLY WHERE THEY GO DON'T HAVE ONE DOWN ON THE WEST END OF SEAWALL. >> CAN I ASK ONE THING HERE? HERE'S THE GPS TRACKERS ARE MERELY FOR THEM TO KEEP UP WITH THEM. THEY HAVE NO WAY OF DISABLING THEM AFTER THEY EXIT THAT GEOFENCE. I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO DISABLE THEM BECAUSE NOW THEY ARE A TRAFFIC HAZARD AND COULD GET RUN OVER. THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT GEOFENCE TRACKERS JUST SO THEY CAN KEEP UP WITH THEM IN CASE THEY DON'T BREAK THE FENCE. >> I DON T THINK THEY ARE REAL-TIME TRACKING AND NEITHER THEY CAN'T, THEY OWN A BUSINESS, THEY CAN'T HAVE SOMEONE JUST SIT THERE MONITORING YOUR CARTS. >> I THINK THEY CAN GET NOTIFICATIONS [OVERLAPPING] WHEN THEY GO OUTSIDE GEOFENCE AND THEN THEY NEED TO PICK UP THE PHONE. THEY NEED TO CALL THAT PERSON DRIVING THAT CAR, DON'T BE BACK IN THAT AREA. >> WE'RE STILL MISSING THE THING THOUGH THAT HE HAD 35 VIOLATIONS, BUT THOSE WEREN'T ALL RENTAL. I'M GUARANTEEING YOU THE RESIDENT IS DIFFERENT FROM RENTALS. >> WE DIDN'T BREAK THEM DOWN INTO RENTALS AND RESIDENTIALS, IT'S GOLF CARTS. WE DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN TO THAT. >> WAS THAT IN ONE AREA? >> THAT WAS ONLY GALVESTON ISLAND. SOME OF THEM WERE OUT WEST, SOME OVER IN TOWN WE COVERED THE ENTIRE ISLAND FOR THAT WEEK. >> BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE WEST AND NOT HAVE THEIR OWN SECURITY WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COLLECTIVE NUMBERS. >> THOSE NUMBERS ARE JUST FOR THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID, THAT'S JUST FOR OURSELVES. >> I'D BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE INDUSTRY AND THEIR COMPANIES. I'D BE HAPPY TO WELCOME THEM. >> THEY'RE VERY WILLING TO TALK WHEREVER THEY ARE. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT WORKS OUT. >> REALLY GOOD IDEAS. >> HOW MANY RENTAL COMPANIES DO WE HAVE? >> THAT'S A FINE QUESTION. I THINK THERE'S 10 OR 12 NOW. >> WHAT WE HEARD FROM IS A TRIUMVIRATE AT THREE, RIGHT? >> YES. >> RIGHT. THEN A LOCAL GROUP ALSO, THERE WAS A LADY THAT REPRESENTED THE [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK THEY REPRESENT THE RESIDENCE. >> THEY REPRESENT THE RESIDENCE. >> IT'S JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, MAYOR. YOU HAVE SOME VERY GOOD GOLF CART OPERATORS ON THE ISLAND. THERE ARE SOME THAT DON'T DO AS GOOD A JOB. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I CAN SAY THE GOLF CART RENTAL COMPANIES ARE DOING THEIR VERY BEST TO FOLLOW THE RULES AS THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO. THEY HAVE THEIR MAPS THAT THEY'RE GIVING THESE PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM EVEN HAVE THE QR CODE BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE TECH-SAVVY, THEY DON'T WANT A PIECE OF PAPER. THEY WANT TO LOOK AT THEIR PHONE. THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO MAKE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THE RENTER. THE STICKERS ON A VEHICLE SAYING EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE A SEAT BELT AS ORDINANCE REQUIRES, DRIVING IN THE RIGHT LANE AS THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES. ALL THOSE ARE ON THERE. THEY GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION, THEY GIVE THEM INFORMATION SHEET AND THEY MAKE EVERYTHING AVAILABLE TO THEM. THEY'RE JUST LIKE OTHER TOURISTS. THEY ARE INTERESTED IN GOING WHERE THEY WANT TO GO AND SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE YOU. THEY DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE MAPS IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT MORE TIMES THAN NOT. >> WELL, AND THAT'S WHY PERSONALLY, I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT RENTAL COMPANIES RESPONSIBLE FOR DECISIONS THAT THE DRIVERS MAKE ONCE THEY'VE LEFT THE PARKING LOT. THAT CONCERNS ME. NOW, I CAN SEE WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE FINES FOR, IF THEY DON'T SUPPLY THE MATRIX IF THEY DON'T DO ALL THIS, THAT'S ONE THING BECAUSE THAT'S ON THEIR CONTROL. BUT SOON AS THOSE PEOPLE DRIVE OFF AND THEY'RE DOING THINGS, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. EVERY DAY ALMOST, I SEE GOLF CARTS AND I SEE KIDS ON THERE, NOT IN SEAT BELTS. THEN I SEE THOSE BELOW A CERTAIN AGE, WHICH WE KNOW THEY NEED THE CAR SEAT. WHEN YOU WERE STOPPING AND THERE WERE TWO KIDS, HOW DO YOU GIVE THEM A TICKET? >> YOU CAN'T ISSUE ANYONE UNDER THE AGE OF 15 OR SO. [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT THE KIDS, THE DRIVER, AND THEY HAVE TWO KIDS WHO ARE NOT IN SEAT BELT. >> YOU ISSUE THE DRIVER WHO HAS CUSTODY CONTROL OF THAT VEHICLE, [03:50:03] THE SANITATION BECAUSE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PAST [INAUDIBLE] >> JUST ONE TICKET. >> [OVERLAPPING] IN ONE PARTICULAR CASE ON LABOR DAY, THEY GET TWO TICKETS, ONE FROM EACH KID. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. EACH ONE OF THEM IS A VIOLATION AND YOU COULD SETTLE FOR BOTH. DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION [OVERLAPPING] >> HOW EXPENSIVE IS THE SANITATION? >> I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A MUNICIPAL COURT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. >> IT'S THE SAME AS NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT IN THE CAR. >> IT'S THE SAME AS YOUR CAR, YOU BOTH ARE THE SAME. >> THOSE TWO KIDS ARE NOT SAFELY BUCKLED DOWN, THEY SHOULD RECEIVE TWO TICKETS, THE DRIVER. >> EACH ONE, THAT'S A DISCRETION. >> YES. >> MAYBE, SPEAKING ALONE BECAUSE MAYBE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BREAKING LAW ARE [INAUDIBLE] COMPANIES, MAYBE THEY ARE THE RESIDENTS IN THAT, WITHOUT THAT KIND OF DATA, IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT. >> THERE'S A FAMOUS VIDEO WHERE THE MARSHALS PULLED OVER A GOLF CART AND THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL GOLF CART. THEN THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE COMING UP TO RESCUE THAT GOLF CART. THERE WAS FOUR OTHER GOLF CARTS AND THEY WERE WRITING VIOLATIONS AS THOSE PEOPLE WERE COMING UP. THEY WEREN'T REGISTERED, NO SEAT BELTS. IT'S JUST ALL THESE THINGS AND NON OF THEM WERE RENTALS. THEY WERE ALL AUTOMATIC. >> JUST LIKE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT I DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS MORNING, BUT I'M MORE INCLINED TO NOT CHANGE THINGS, BUT IF WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM OUT THERE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DATA TO BACK IT UP AND USE THAT DATA TO MAKE THE PROPER CHANGES TO OUR REGULATIONS. >> DO WE HAVE A WAY TO TRACK THAT DATA? >> WE DON'T HAVE A CATEGORY FOR RENTAL VERSUS NON-RENTAL. WE WRITE CITATIONS TO GOLF CARTS AND WE TRACK THEM THAT WAY. I'M NOT EVEN SURE, PDD TRACK GOLF CART SEPARATELY OR THEY ARE JUST ALL PART OF YOUR MOTOR VEHICLE VIOLATIONS. >> OUR CURRENT RMS SOLUTION DOES NOT SEPARATE GOLF CARTS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO MANUALLY GO THROUGH THE DATA [INAUDIBLE] >> WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A NEW SYSTEM. >> NOW, IS THAT FOR ALL VEHICLES, YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA OR THE SOFTWARE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW HOW I REQUESTED. I FEEL A LITTLE [INAUDIBLE] BUT WHEN I REQUESTED ACCIDENTS FROM YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. HOW BIG OF A STRAIN WAS THAT FOR YOU? HOW HARD WAS IT? >> THAT'S NOT VERY DIFFICULT. BUT IF YOU WANT ACCIDENTS JUST INVOLVING GOLF CARTS, THEN WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND TRY TO MANUALLY EXTRACT ALL OF THAT BECAUSE OUR CURRENT SOLUTION DOESN'T DO THAT. IT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH GOING AWAY FROM OUR CURRENT SOLUTION TO A NEW ONE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR. >> BUT YOU HAVE THE TOOLS TO TRACK ACCIDENT SPEEDING VIOLATIONS. >> [OVERLAPPING] YES. >> OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. THANK YOU. I SAID I WAS DOING MY OWN DATA RESEARCH AND I FELT BAD BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS PUTTING A STRAIN ON YOU AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEEDED LIKE A NEW SOFTWARE, SOMETHING THAT MAKES YOUR LIFE EASIER. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT FELL ON HARD PART. >> THAT PROJECT IS RIGHT THERE AND IT'S UPCOMING. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO. >> MARY. >> DO WE TRACK HOW MANY WARNINGS ARE GIVEN VERSUS ACTUAL TICKETS? BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] RIGHT NOW IN MIKE'S CASE IS A WARNING. PROBABLY MOST OF THEM AREN'T VERBAL [INAUDIBLE] >> CORRECT. I WOULD LIKE TO GET AWAY FROM VERBAL WARNINGS PERIOD BECAUSE NOW WE'RE NOT TRACKING WHAT IT IS THAT THE PD OR THE MARSHALS ARE DOING. I THINK THAT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO GET AWAY FROM DOING THAT. YES, IT TAKES A LITTLE MORE TIME. YOU ARE DOCUMENTING THAT STOP AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DOCUMENT THAT STOP. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFILING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE NEED TO COLLECT THAT DATA. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT WHEN GIVEN A VERBAL WARNING, BUT IT TAKES AN OFFICER LONGER TO DO THOSE THINGS. GETTING THEM ON THE BACK ON THE STREETS SOMETIMES IS IN QUICK MANNERS. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION, ON A HIGHWAY YOU CAN GET A TICKET FOR GOING TOO FAST OR GOING TOO SLOW. DO WE HAVE MAXIMUM AND MINIMUM SIGN IN ANY OF OUR ROADS? >> MORE OFTEN THAN NOT WHEN THAT OCCURS, YOU'LL SEE MINIMUM SPEED LIMIT SIGN. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY MINIMUM SPEED LIMIT SIGNAGE IN THE CITY. >> COUNCIL, WE NEED TO GET SOME DIRECTION HERE. FIRST OF ALL, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE AT OUR NEXT MEETING TO BRING BACK SOME TOPICS FROM STAFF THAT HAVE DISCUSSED THIS? >> NO. >> I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT FEES. >> ON THE REGISTRATION FEES? [03:55:02] >> I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE REGISTRATION FEE AS WELL AS WHAT OWNERS WE PUT ON THE GOLF CART COMPANIES. >> OKAY. LET'S BRING THAT TOPIC BACK IN. MARIE, IF YOU WORK WITH STAFF, GET SOME THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE. SINCE WE CONSIDER THESE MOTOR VEHICLES AND THEY DON'T MEET SAFETY STANDARDS, WHERE'S THE CODE YOU REQUIRE A CHILD SAFETY SEAT IN A GOLF CART? BUT THEY DON'T MEET TEXTILE STANDARDS, I'M ASSUMING ON SAFETY RESTRAINTS AND THINGS LIKE; OR DO THEY? >> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SEAT BELTS MOUNTED IN A SOLID MANNER JUST LIKE YOUR PICKUP TRUCK WOULD. NOW, SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE THREE-POINT HITCHES, OR SEAT BELTS LIKE YOUR TRUCK DO, SOME OF THEM DO. DEPENDS ON WHICH ONE YOU FIND. SOME OF THEM UPGRADE TO GET THAT. UNDERSTANDING A GOLF CART WAS NEVER EVER INTENDED TO BE ON THE ROADWAY. DOESN'T MEET ANY CRITERIA FOR CRASHES OR SAFETY BECAUSE IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE ON A ROADWAY WITH OTHER VEHICLES. >> CORRECT. >> HOWEVER, IT'S JUST DANGEROUS TO BE ON A GOLF CART ON A ROAD AS IT IS A CAR, YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE SAFETY DESIGN OF THAT VEHICLE IS NOT THE SAME. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DEFENDABLE IN A COURT WHEN WE GIVE SOMEBODY A CHILD SAFETY SEAT VIOLATION AND THEY GO TO COURT AND THEY GO, THIS CAR WAS NEVER MADE TO BE ON THE ROAD AND HAVE THE SAME SAFETY CRASH TESTING THAT A CAR DOES, AND YOU REQUIRE ME TO PUT A CHILD IN THE CAR SEAT. >> A CAR SEAT IS AN EXTRA LAYER OF SAFETY. WE HAVE ACCIDENTS [OVERLAPPING] WHERE WE PULL CAR SEATS OUT AND THE CAR IS OBLITERATED BUT THE CHILD'S OKAY IN A CAR SEAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] YEAH, JUST LEGALLY EVERYTHING'S GOOD WITH THAT. >> ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO READ IT RIGHT HERE. ALL OCCUPANTS INCLUDING CHILDREN SHALL BE RESTRAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE AND APPLICABLE TEXAS OCCUPANT RESTRAINT LAWS. [OVERLAPPING] NOW, UNDERSTAND THAT, AND PD MAY BE ABLE TO HELP, I THOUGHT THESE WERE EXEMPTIONS, BUT THERE ARE SOME CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE I GUESS IF THERE AREN'T ENOUGH SEATS TO ALLOW FOR ALL CHILD RESTRAINTS. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED. THAT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ISSUING TICKETS THAT WE CAN DEFEND. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT HERE, SEE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. PERSONALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. I'M NOT REALLY OPEN TO ADDRESS ANY OF THESE ORDINANCE CHANGES WITH GOLF CARTS AT THIS POINT. BUT WE HAVE, I THINK MARIE BRINGS UP GOOD POINTS. YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT A REGISTRATION FEE, LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT REGISTRATION FEE AND PENALTIES IN SOME WAY FOR VIOLATION OF GOLF CARTS AND FOR THE RENTAL COMPANIES. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, MARIE COULD WORK WITH STAFF AND WE'D BE OPEN TO BRING THIS BACK DEPENDING ON WHERE WE WANTED IT TO GO WITH THAT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU FOR DROPPING DRASTICALLY. NELLIE, COULD YOU READ THE LAST ITEM, PLEASE, MA'AM? [13.D. Discussion of minimum lot sizes (Robb/Brown - 15 min)] >> DISCUSSION OF MINIMUM LOCK SIZES. >> THIS IS COUNCIL MONROE. >> WELL, I HAVE ATTENDED A LOT OF PLANNING MEETINGS LATELY AND ON MOST ANY AGENDA ON PLANNING, AND JOHN MAY KNOW BETTER HOW MANY, IF I'M NOT. ESPECIALLY IN THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE ARE PEOPLE BUYING A NUMBER OF LOTS, AND THEY'RE SUBDIVIDING THEM INTO TWO OR FOUR OR THREE DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE, BECAUSE OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE, WHICH CHANGED IN 2016 IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, THE 2,500 AND BECAUSE OF THE STATE LAW, WHICH WHATEVER YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS OR NO VOTING OR WHATNOT FROM THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE READ AT PLANNING, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING PLANNING CAN DO ABOUT IT. [04:00:05] I KNOW THE REASON OR SO THE REASON SAID AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS DONE WAS CHANGING THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WOULD ALLOW FOR LOWER PRICES ON HOUSES OR MORE ECONOMICAL HOUSES, BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IS PEOPLE ARE BUYING MULTIPLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD LOTS, BUT I GUESS YOU COULD ALSO APPLY IT TO THE WEST AND THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MINIMUM SIZE IS AND THE ONES THAT WHEN I'VE BEEN AT PLANNING AND I'VE HAD PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CALL ME ABOUT THIS AS WELL, HAVE ALL BEEN IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADDRESS IN THE FUTURE, IS LOOKING WHAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS, BECAUSE IT'S CREATING MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, ESPECIALLY IN THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. I'M DEFINITELY ARE A PROPERTY RIGHTS GIRL, BUT WE ALSO LOST ONE PERCENT OF OUR HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES. I THINK THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DECREASE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON IT. MY QUESTION WAS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE 2,500 AS OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE SINCE THAT GIVES US NO CONTROL OVER IT AT ALL? >> I DONE THIS TOO FAR. MR. [INAUDIBLE] COULD YOU COME UP BY FOR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? >> OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS CURRENTLY REGULATED BY THE ZONING DISTRICT. >> DISTRICT. >> WHAT IS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IN R1? >> [OVERLAPPING] FIVE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS. >> IS MINIMUM? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> MINIMUM SIZE. >> EXCEPT FOR AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. >> WELL, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ZONING CLASS. >> BUT HOW MUCH OF THE ISLAND IS URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD? >> WE HAVE PARTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE R1, R2, R3, BUT AREN'T THE URBAN AREAS PRETTY MUCH RESTRICTED TO THE THOROUGHFARES? >> [OVERLAPPING] NO, IT'S A GOOD PORTION OF THE EAST END. >> BYE. >> IT'S WHAT? >> IT'S A GOOD PORTION OF THE EAST END. THERE'S ALSO R3. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PORTION OF IT. >> I LIVE IN HOUSTON AS YOU WELL KNOW, AND I'M NOT A MEMBER. >> WELL, THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE THREE WHICH BOTH HAVE THE 2,500-FOOT STANDARD. >> BUT THE R3 DOES? >> YES, IT DOES. >> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S MY QUESTION. >> YES, SIR. WE GOT A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ON THE EAST END, BUT THE R1S PREDOMINANTLY MOVE TOWARD THE WEST. >> DID YOU SAY 3,000 SQUARE FOOT? >> [OVERLAPPING] 2,500. >> FOR R3? >> YES. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> THEN I DO WANT TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE HAVE SMALL LOTS IN THE EAST END BUT NOT VERY MANY OVER 2,500. TWENTY EIGHT HUNDRED MAYBE, 2,100. MOST OF THE LOTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE EITHER 2,800 BY 142, BY 100. I THINK WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT I REALLY HONESTLY DIDN'T KNOW I LIVED IN AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. I THOUGHT IT WAS AN R3 ZONING THAT WAS AN OVERLAY ON R1, I DON'T REMEMBER. >> WELL, THERE ARE SEPARATE DISTINCT ZONES. >> BUT IT'S 2,500 MINIMUM IN R3? >> YES. IN OUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, THE R1S AND THE R0S ARE 5,000, YOU HAVE A TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT WHICH YOU ACTUALLY CAN GO DOWN TO 1,500, AND THEN THERE'S THE R2, WHICH IS TOWNHOMES, WHICH ARE 1,600. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A MUCH SMALLER LOT BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PRODUCT THAT CAN BE ATTACHED IN A SERIES OF LOTS LIKE A TOWNHOME COMPLEX. BUT 2,500 FEET, I WASN'T HERE WHEN IT WAS SET UP THAT WAY. BUT IT SEEMS TO MAKE SOME SENSE FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE ARE GETTING SOME DEMAND FOR FOLKS WITH SMALLER UNITS. >> TINY HOUSES. >> THEY'RE BEING BUILT UP RATHER THAN OUT. >> IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS. >> YES. >> URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS AND HATCHERIES AND ALL THAT STUFF. [04:05:01] >> YOUR THOUGHT IS THOUGH, MAUREEN, YOU WANT TO INCREASE THAT MINIMUM LOT OF SIZE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS. I MEAN, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS IN R3. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF IT'S ALLOWED IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, WHY IS IT GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION? I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION TO THAT IN AN R1 OR ZERO. >> NO. I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT [INAUDIBLE] POINTED OUT, THAT THERE'S THINGS THAT GO TO PLANNING THAT THEY DON'T VOTE ON. >> JUST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. >> YEAH, BECAUSE STATE LAWS REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. THEY DON'T REQUIRE AN APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THAT THE STAFF TAKES CARE OF. >> MY QUESTION IS, TIM, IS THAT IF IN AN R3, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO SPLIT THE LOCK NEXT TO DAVID AND PUT TWO HOUSES ON IT, AND IT'S ALLOWED. >> THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO BETTER. >> WHY DOES IT GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? >> BECAUSE IT'S A RE-PLOT OF PROPERTY. >> OH, THIS IS A RE-PLOT. IT'S THE RE-PLOT THAT THEY'RE GETTING? >> YEAH. >> IT GOES TO A PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOESN'T GET VOTED ON. >> IT DOESN'T GET VOTED ON. >> YEAH, IT'S A CONFUSING SITUATION, AND THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION HAS DEALT WITH THIS FOR YEARS, BUT STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT PUBLIC HEARING BE HELD JUST SO PEOPLE HAVE SOME NOTICE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. >> GOT IT. >> IT'S A QUIRKY THING, BUT IT'S STABLE. >> I DON'T THINK I [INAUDIBLE]. >> [OVERLAPPING] ALSO THAT MOST OF THESE DISTRICTS ALLOW TWO UNITS ON A LOT AS WELL. >> IT'S A PRIMARY AND SECONDARY, ISN'T IT? >> YEAH, IT'S A PRIMARY AND A SECONDARY. >> MAUREEN, YOUR SITUATION, WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR CONCERN OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, YOU WON'T STOP SHORT-TERM RENTALS FROM PUTTING 2,000S ON ONE LAP? >> MY CONCERN IS THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT ARE COMING INTO PLANNING AND RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY'RE TAKING TWO LOTS AND TURNING IT INTO FIVE, AND CITIZENS ARE EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT IT. >> THAT'S RARE. THAT WOULD BE RARE IN A UN. >> YEAH. >> ABSOLUTELY, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH SPACE. >> WELL MAYBE IT WAS IN R3, BUT IT'S HAPPENED. >> LET ME ASK THIS. >> I'M SORRY. ONE MORE THING. IF IT'S MORE THAN FOUR LOTS, IT WOULD GO TO A VOTE, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COUNCIL OR PLANNING? >> PLANNING. >> PLANNING COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUBDIVISION. >> WHAT IS THE ZONING? SAY, IN [INAUDIBLE], WHERE LOTS ARE TYPICALLY GREATER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET? >> IT'S A MINIMUM 5,000, AND OF COURSE, THE DEVELOPER HAS THE OPTION TO GO ANYTHING ABOVE THAT. YEAH, IT'S ON R1. >> SO ALL THAT BLANK LAND OFF [INAUDIBLE] STUFF LIKE THIS R1? >> I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME IN WITH 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, THEY CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT. IT'S JUST THE MINIMUM. [OVERLAPPING] >> QUESTION HERE. HOW DOES THIS INTERACT WITH LOT LINES AND WE DID APPROVE ZERO LOT LINES AFTER FOR HURRICANE IDA. THAT SHOULD ALSO HAVE A BEARING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE A 42 FOOT LOT YOU WANT TO SPLIT IT, YOU STILL HAVE SETBACKS IN SOME AREAS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IN OTHERS. CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> YES. >> WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW ZERO LOT LINES? >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOSE. LET'S SEE. R1, YOU HAVE A SIDE OF THREE OR REAR OF 10, AND A FRONT OF 20. R2 WERE ATTACHED, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A ZERO SIDE, BUT BY FRONT FIVE IN THE FRONT, 10 AND THE REAR. R3 HAS ZERO SETBACKS. >> CENTRAL BUSINESS HAVING A ZERO? >> YEAH. MUCH OF THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL HAS ZERO BECAUSE THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. TRADITIONAL HAS A ZERO FRONT SETBACK BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THAT NEO-TRADITIONAL FEEL TO IT, BUT A SIDE SETBACK OF FIVE, [INAUDIBLE] EXCEPT WHEN YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A TOWN HOME COMPONENT, WHICH YOU CAN DO IN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS; YOU CAN MIX TOWN HOME AND SINGLE-FAMILY THERE. IN AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ZERO THROUGHOUT. THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY. >> I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN WE DID THIS. IT WAS QUITE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON THIS AND WE FINALLY CAME UP WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD OR BAD. I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR HAVING SMALLER LOTS, YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR HAVING LARGER LOTS. PERSONALLY, I JUST LEAVE IT ALONE, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. >> I DON'T HEAR A PROBLEM. >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT MAUREEN IS SAYING. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING IN MY ROAD. NOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SHORT-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T SEE THINGS BEING PART OF [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHAT'S HAPPENING IN EVERY PLANNING? [04:10:01] >> THE ONLY COMPLAINT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT OUR LOT SIZES IS IN MAUREEN'S DISTRICT, AND THERE'S TALK OUT THERE TO MAKING THEM BIGGER THAN THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET. >> BUT I'VE NOT EVER HEARD THAT COMPLAINT. >> WHAT? I'VE HEARD IT FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT LIVE IN YOUR DISTRICT. >> FROM PEOPLE [INAUDIBLE] YEAH. >> YEAH. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IN FACT, HAS REQUESTED THAT WE START LOOKING INTO DOING SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN OUT ON THE WEST END WITH LARGER DISTRICTS, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGARD TO OLD RIGHTS OF WAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT HAD HALF-ACRE LOTS. IT'S TRADITIONALLY BEEN DEVELOPED THAT WAY, AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND TAKES ONE OF THOSE HALF-ACRE LOTS AND CUTS IT INTO THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE PIECES, WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE, AND THEN THE FOLKS AROUND THEM GET UPSET. WELL, IF IT MEETS OUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE, IT'S ALL RIGHT. >> NO. THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE. >> THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE. >> I AGREE, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT ACROSS THE ISLAND BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, WE LOST ONE PERCENT OF OUR HOMESTEAD FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WAS AND WE KNOW THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP. BUT I'VE HEARD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE LOT SIZE ALL OVER. I MEAN, FROM EVERY DISTRICT. OF COURSE, YOU HEAR FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD IT DONE BY THEM. IT HAPPENED [INAUDIBLE] A LOT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. >> VERY GOOD. [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD RECOMMEND AND IF YOU FEEL THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LET'S TO GET WITH PLANNING. GET WITH PLANNING, SEE WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND, AND JUST BRING MORE SPECIFICS BACK TO COUNCIL. I THINK HAVE SOME DETAILS. >> PEOPLE DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD OR R3 OR ANY, AND PEOPLE DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I KNOW I'VE HAD PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CALL ME WITH CONCERN ON THE NUMBERS THAT ARE COMING IN AND IT'S ALL OVER. >> [INAUDIBLE] YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> CURRENT LOT SIZE THAT WE HAVE NOW TO [INAUDIBLE], I'D BE ABLE TO BUY, WITH YOUR STANDARD URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD LOT, HOW MANY HOUSES WOULD I BE ABLE TO PUT ON IT THEORETICALLY? >> IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT UP TO EIGHT UNITS. IT ALLOWS FOR A VERY DENSE STANDARD. IT'S OTHERWISE TWO UNITS. THE PRIMARY AND INDEPENDENT [OVERLAPPING]. >> WAIT, ON A NORMAL LOT SIZE, YOU CAN PUT UP EIGHT UNITS? >> YES. >> IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD? >> IN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD. >> ON A 2,500 LOT? >> YOU CAN PUT EIGHT UNITS. >> YOU CAN PUT EIGHT UNITS. >> I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY GOING [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE] A THREE-STOREY HIGH MAXIMUM THERE? >> IS IT THREE-STOREY OR IS IT 50 FEET? >> FIFTY FEET, I BELIEVE. >> FIFTY FEET. >> DO YOU HAVE A FOUR FOOT CEILING? [LAUGHTER]. >> WELL, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING EIGHT UNIT DEVELOPMENT ON A SINGLE LOT. IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. >> ON AVERAGE, WHAT ARE YOU GETTING THOUGH? WHAT DO YOU SEE, ONE OR TWO? >> WE'RE SEEING MORE THAN ONE THESE DAYS FOR SURE. THERE'S BEEN A GOOD NUMBER OF INFILL. >> THERE'S A BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? >> YEAH. ONE OR TWO. IT'S PRETTY [INAUDIBLE]. >> GARAGE APARTMENTS PER SE ARE MAKING A REAL COMEBACK. YOU'RE SEEING THAT EVEN AT THE BEACH TOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE BUILDING HOUSES. THEY'RE NOT THE GARAGE APARTMENTS IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE. THEY'RE LIKE A GUEST HOUSE OR SOMETHING. >> A NORMAL LOT NOW, I CAN PUT THEORETICALLY ABOUT TWO HOUSES WHICH ARE COMMONLY [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT, AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WHAT, ABOUT 1,200 SQUARE FEET A HOUSE, MAYBE? ABOUT 100 SQUARE FEET A HOUSE. SO NEW CONSTRUCTION TODAY WITH THE PRICE OF THE LOT, YOU BUILD THAT HOUSE. YOU'RE LOOKING UP PAST 300 GRAND A HOUSE MAYBE ON THE CHEAP SIDE. SO A $600,000 INVESTMENT TO TURN AROUND AND TRY TO GET A 100 BUCKS AT NIGHT IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS, TO TRY TO GET SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST USE OF THEIR INVESTMENT. BECAUSE YOU WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING 1,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, YOU TYPICALLY 2 1, 3 1? >> I'LL TALK ABOUT A TINY HOUSE THAT JUST RECENTLY SOLD FOR 600,000. >> I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE COST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THOSE ONES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WERE ABOUT 450 TO BUILD. >> I THINK A LOT OF THIS LIKE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO VISUALIZE ONE ON ONE, I THINK RIGHT THERE AT 40-50 [INAUDIBLE] WHERE THEY TOOK, I DON'T KNOW THAT WAS ONE LOT OR TWO, AND THEY PUT FOUR HOUSES. >> I THINK THAT WAS TWO LOTS. >> IT WAS A TWO LOTS. >> BASICALLY, LET'S FIND THIS COUNCIL. IT'S MAUREEN [OVERLAPPING]. >> I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT. [04:15:02] >> THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE FEELING AROUND THE TABLE. >> VERY GOOD. IT IS 01:46 PM. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. >> IT IS. [LAUGHTER] >> WE ARE COMING AGAIN TONIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.