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>> [NOISE] WE'LL CALL THIS WORKSHOP TO ORDER AT 2:00 OR 3:00 PM.
[1. Call Meeting to Order ]
WORKSHOP OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.WE HAVE TAKEN ATTENDANCE BY SIGNING IN.
[2. Attendance ]
DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS, COMMISSIONERS? WE HAVE A QUORUM.WE WILL CONTINUE TO HOPEFULLY ADD IN MORE COMMISSIONERS.
[4. Discussion Items]
WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY AND IT IS FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS CONCESSIONS.OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO COMPLETE THIS.
MY LITTLE BINDER CLIP IS GETTING FULL AND DANIEL AND I SPOKE EARLIER TODAY AND I DO NOT WANT TO UPGRADE TO A LARGER BINDER CLIP, THIS IS IT.
I WANT US TO DIRECT OUR ATTENTION TO THIS.
WE HAD ONE OF OUR PARTICIPANTS LAST WEEK WHO MADE A VERY GOOD POINT AND SAID WE SHOULD TRY TO KEEP THINGS REALLY EASY AND I THINK THAT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT.
THAT MAKES THINGS EASIER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HAVING TO LIVE WITH THESE RULES, MAKES IT EASY FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, MAKES IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY.
LET'S TRY TO WORK WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS TODAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING.
KEEP THINGS AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.
WE HAVE THREE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS TODAY, SEATING, COMMISSARY, AND OUR FEES.
BUT WE HAVE SOME PARTICIPANTS HERE TODAY.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN WHO SAID THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID THAT WE WERE DONE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS, I DO THINK IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE THREE-MINUTE COMMENTS, WE WILL ALLOW THREE-MINUTE COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
BUT THERE WILL NOT BE AN EXCHANGE, WE WILL NOT DO GIVE AND TAKE LIKE WE HAVE IN THE PAST BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT TO PUT THIS BABY TO BED TODAY.
IF ANYONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THREE-MINUTE COMMENTS WE'LL RECOGNIZE YOU NOW.
DO WE HAVE A SIGN-IN SHEET, MS. WEST? MR. COLLINS SAYS YES.
PLEASE SIGN IN, STATE YOUR NAME, AND THEN THREE MINUTES.
[LAUGHTER] JUST PUT FOOD TRUCKS.
SINCE IT'S WORKSHOP, PUT WS FOOD TRUCKS.
>> [INAUDIBLE]. IF YOU WANTED TO ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS TO BE ON THE CORNER AT THE EXXON GAS STATION, ETC, THEN WE FEEL THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO BE UNDER THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE, THE GRAY WATER, THE GREASE, THE ELECTRIC, WHATEVER, AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A STICKER IN THE WINDOW AND THAT FOOD TRUCK THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY SHOULD HAVE A STICKER IN THE WINDOW AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY'RE OUT OF HERE.
THAT WOULD MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE.
THEN FROM ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, I THINK THE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE.
WHENEVER WE TALK TO THEM, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE SO AS TO KEEPING IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, THEN ENFORCEMENT BECOMES VERY EASY AND EASY TO KEEP TRACK OF. THANK YOU.
YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD, UNLESS YOU'RE CLEAR. DID YOU? YES, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> HELLO. HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN?
>> MY NAME IS JASON. I HAVE A FOOD TRUCK ON 61ST STREET, DARLENE SHRIMP SHACK, AND I WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST ONE'S TO FILE FOR THE FOOD PERMIT THING LIKE SIX YEARS AGO.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING AWAY SEATING, THAT'S LUDICROUS, BECAUSE WE'RE SERVING OUT OF A TRAILER.
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THAT MEANS ANY BUSINESS DOING OUT OF A TRAILER WOULD HAD TO TAKE AWAY SEATING.EVEN THE BEACH RENTALS THAT RENT CHAIRS OUT, THEY'RE LITERALLY PULLING CHAIRS OUT TO RENT CHAIRS OUT.
IT WOULD JUST BE SUCH A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND IT WOULD JUST OPEN UP A DOORWAY OF TERRIBLE THINGS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY WOULD MAKE UP A RULE TO TAKE AWAY SEATING.
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T STAND THAT WELL AND THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR FOOD, THEY HAVE TO SIT ON THE GROUND? IT'S A LAW THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
THAT LAW GOES NOWHERE ELSE IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES.
BY TAKING OUR SEAT IN WAY, IT'S BAD ON EVERYBODY, IT'S BAD ON THE PEOPLE WHO COME THERE, IT'S BAD ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE.
WHO WOULD MAKE A RULE UP LIKE THAT, FOR YOU CAN'T SIT DOWN? IT'S OUTRAGEOUS TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE'S SEAT.
THAT'D BE LIKE, THAT'S COMING IN HERE AND YOU'LL TAKING ALL THESE SEATINGS AND WE JUST STANDING UP.
THIS A BUSINESS, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT STILL YOU CAN'T TAKE AWAY SEATING FROM ONE PERSON AND THEN NOT TAKE-AWAY SEATING FROM OTHER PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME.
I'LL JUST ASK YOU AT LEAST KEEP SEATING.
I THINK IT'S 12 OR 16 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF THE PEOPLE KEEP IT SUPER CLEAN AND I PRESSURE WASH MY TABLES ONCE A WEEK.
MAKE SURE ALL TRASH IS PICKED UP, LITTLE PIECES OF TRASH, A LITTLE BABY, WHATEVER IT IS.
DON'T LET THEM RUN A MUCK AND JUST HAVE SOME RUSTY CHAIR'S FALLING APART.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE PRESENTABLE, I THINK THE SEATING AREA SHOULD NOT CHANGE AND LIKE YOU SAID, WE SHOULD MAKE IT REALLY EASY, REALLY SIMPLE, AND IT'S BEEN GOING REALLY SMOOTH AND REALLY FLOWING SMOOTHLY UP UNTIL NOW TO WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO START MAKING UP NEW RULES.
BUT IT WAS ALREADY FLOWING SMOOTHLY.
I HAVE MY GREASE SHOT, GRAY WATER TRAP, ALL THE STUFF OVER AT MY SHOP AND MY COMMISSARY AND MAKE WHATEVER THEY WANT AND MAKE IT AS SIMPLE, AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THEM.
JUST DO IT AND I'LL DO IT. BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THESE PEOPLE SEATINGS AWAY FROM THEM, MA'AM.
IT'S GOING TO HURT THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN, THE CUSTOMER AND THE BUSINESS OWNER AS WELL.
THESE PEOPLE WALKING OFF THE BEACH, THEY WANT TO GO EAT AT A TACO TRUCK.
THEY HAVE TO WALK AWAY FROM IT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE GOT TO JUST AT LEAST PLAY THEM FILLED ON BOTH SIDES A LITTLE BIT IS ALL I'M ASKING.
THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING TO ME. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.
YOU HAVE A BLESSED DAY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THANK YOU. WHO'S NEXT? YOU ALL HAVE HIM TO THANK FOR GETTING TO SPEAK, BY THE WAY.
>> JUDITH SMITH FOOD TRUCK OWNER AT [INAUDIBLE] FOOD PARK.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH I THINK THAT FOOD TRUCK PARKS ARE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE FOOD TRUCK FOR TWO FOOD TRUCKS PERIOD.
BUT LIMITING FOOD TRUCKS TO JUST BEING ABLE TO PARK IN FOOD TRUCK PARKS, CONTRADICTS A LITTLE BIT OF THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROPOSED ABOUT HAVING FOOD TRUCKS IN GALVESTON HAVING MORE THAN ONE SPOT.
ALSO, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOOD TRUCK PARKS IN GALVESTON AS IT IS.
THEREFORE, I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE FAIR.
I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TOO FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AND DON'T WANT TO JUST SIT STILL LIKE SOME OF US DO.
I THINK IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A FOOD TRUCK IN GENERAL.
NOW I DO AGREE THAT WE ALL SHOULD ABIDE BY ALL THE SAME RULES.
IF SOMEBODY DOES PARK THEIR FOOD TRUCK IN AN AREA, IT SHOULD BE SET UP WITH THE ELECTRICITY AND THE RESTAURANT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE WHATNOT.
AS FAR AS THE COMMISSARY SITUATION GOALS, I THINK IT IS REALLY ODD, WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST TIME THAT IF YOU DON'T PARK IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE THINGS AVAILABLE, THEN YES, YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE A COMMISSARY.
FOR THE ONES THAT ARE PARKED IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK WHERE WE HAVE EVERYTHING AVAILABLE, COMMISSARY SHOULDN'T BE NECESSARY.
THAT IS MY TWO CENTS FOR THIS. THANK YOU.
>> I'M JOSEPH SPENCER, OWNER OF FOOD TRUCK PARK HERE IN DOWNTOWN.
>> PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IT.
>> ANYWAY. FIRST OF ALL, YOU SAID ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO SAY, WHICH IS SIMPLE IS ALWAYS BETTER.
THE SIMPLER WE KEEP IT, THE MORE LIKELY WE ARE TO COMPLY.
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THE MORE LIKELY WE ARE TO COMPLY, FRANKLY.THEN IT MAKES IT FRIENDLY FOR EVERYBODY.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE GUEST, NOT JUST TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING REGULATED AND ENFORCED, IF YOU WILL, MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER ON THE MARSHALS AS WELL AS THE FOOD TRUCK OWNERS, SINCE IT'S COME UP, I'M NOT OPPOSED AT ALL TO HAVING OTHER FOOD TRUCKS BEING ONE OF, I GUESS TWO MAYBE THREE FOOD TRUCK PARKS ON THE ISLAND.
IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME THAT THERE WERE OTHER FOOD TRUCKS.
THEY'RE NOT REALLY COMPETITION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
THEY'RE BASICALLY ESTABLISHING A CONCEPT HERE ON THE ISLAND WHICH I THINK IS A POSITIVE ONE.
THEN THE LAST THING WAS AGAIN, THE SEATING, AS OUR FRIEND POINTED OUT, IT'S TOUGH SINCE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO RESOLVE TODAY.
IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN THREE TRUCKS, IT'S TOUGH TO HAVE A TRUCK IN A PARK AND SAY, I'M SORRY, YOUR GUESTS CAN'T COME IN YET BECAUSE WE STILL ONLY HAVE THREE SEATS LEFT OR WHATEVER THE CASE IT MAY BE.
SEATING I THINK IT HAS TO BE ON A CASE-BY-CASE.
TRYING TO PUT A NUMBER ON IT, I THINK WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING FOR YOU GUYS.
AGAIN, BACK TO THE SIMPLE CONCEPT.
IF THE PARK IS OVERCROWDED, FEWER PEOPLE WILL COME. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. AGAIN TO ALL OF YOU.
THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. WE APPRECIATE IT.
WE KNOW YOUR TIME IS VERY VALUABLE AND IT'S TIME AWAY FROM YOUR BUSINESSES.
ALTHOUGH WE DON'T OFFICIALLY CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING IN A WORKSHOP, THIS IS GOING TO CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING, PART OF THIS FOR US.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO START OUR WORKSHOP.
COMMISSIONERS, REMEMBER, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE SITTING UP HERE, BUT IT IS A WORKSHOP, SO WE'RE IN A MORE INFORMAL PART OF A MEETING.
LET'S START WITH, IF WE MAY, I THINK SITTING AND COMMISSARY IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE MORE OF A STICKY WICKED.
IF WE MAY, LET US START WITH FEES.
WE HAD LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT FEES AND WANTING TO DO A STANDALONE TRUCK AS HAVING A MUCH HIGHER FEE AND THEN GOING TO A LOWER FEE FOR A PARK, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO, BUT THE STEP-UP CHART WAS CONFUSING FOR EVERYBODY.
THE STEPPED UP FEE WAS JUST CONFUSING.
NOW, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER LUTASKI SAID WAS DISCHARGED THE HECK OUT AS SOMEBODY WHO WAS BY THEMSELVES AND THEN REALLY GIVE A LOW RATE TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS IN A PARK.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE IT HUGELY DISPARATE BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST NOT A GOOD THING TO DO.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE LEGAL ISSUES WITH THAT TOO.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE, WE WERE AT 500 ON A STANDALONE WORKING. I'M BACK ON NOW.
I GOT CUT OFF AFTER THREE MINUTES [LAUGHTER].
PROBABLY NOT A BAD THING TO DO.
THEN OUR MIDDLE OF THE ROAD ON PARKS WAS IT 250.
WHAT I HAD WRITTEN HERE IN MY NOTES WHEN I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS, DO GO AT 200 FOR SOMEBODY WHO CAN PRODUCE A FOOD TRUCK PARKED CONTRACT.
DO WE GOT AT 250 FOR SOMEBODY WHO CAN PRODUCE A FOOD TRUCK PARK CONTRACT, AND 500 FOR SOMEBODY WHO STAND ALONE.
WHERE ARE WE GUYS? TIME IN HERE, FOLKS?
>> I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAD WAS UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS OF OPERATING ON YOUR OWN VERSUS OPERATING IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DIDN'T WANT TO DISINCENTIVIZE ANYBODY FROM OPERATING AN INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCK.
IF IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO OPERATE COMMISSARY AS AN INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER OR IF THEY'RE GETTING BENEFIT FROM BEING PART OF A PARK OR CO-OP OR SOMETHING ELSE WHERE THE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE IN A PARK.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE IT TO DISPARATE.
>> IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE PARK WILL STILL CHARGE A FEE TO SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO LOCATE THERE, IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE COMMISSARY SERVICES THAT YOU WOULD GET AT THE PARK.
BUT I'VE ALSO HEARD THAT IF YOU ARE JUST A SINGLE TRUCK PARKING AT THE CORNER OF A GAS STATION,
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IT'S EXPECTED THAT THAT OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY PROVIDES YOU WITH THE SAME COMMISSARY SERVICE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THAT COMMISSARY SERVICE SOMEWHERE, WHETHER IT'S FROM THE OWNER OF THAT [NOISE] GAS STATION OR IF IT'S A COMMISSARY OFF-SITE, THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT COMMISSARY SERVICE SOMEWHERE.BUT FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF THE PARK OR HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE THESE TRUCKS AT THE PARK.
THOSE AT REDUCED FEE INCENTIVIZES CONSOLIDATING AT THE PARK AND DISINCENTIVIZES PEOPLE LOCATING ON THE CORNER OF THE GAS STATIONS.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS EASY TO REGULATE, I THINK, IS PART OF THE IDEA.
>> I THINK THAT'S ALSO THE ROUTE THAT WE HEARD.
THE COUNCIL WANTS TO CHANNEL THIS PARK.
>> HAVING SAID THAT, THE FEE STRUCTURE AT 1, 2, 3, 4 TIERS BEFORE, AND IT WAS CONFUSING.
HAD TO DEAL WITH ONE PARK, TWO PARKS, AND THREE PARKS, AND MAYBE, IF WE CAN GO TO SIMPLIFY IT, SAY ONE CONCESSION FEE FOR A SINGLE TRUCK, ANOTHER FEE FOR THREE DIFFERENT SITES, SO JUST TWO-TIER FEE STRUCTURE.
>> RIGHT. ONE FEE IF YOU'RE STAND-ALONE, AND ONE FEE IF YOU'RE AT A PARK, UP TO THREE PARKS.
I THINK WE LEAVE IT AT 500 IF YOU'RE STAND ALONE, AND THEN WHAT IS IT IF YOU'RE UP TO THREE PARKS, 200, 250?
>> ALL RIGHT. THEN ON THE FEES, WE'RE AT 500.
LET'S TAKE IT OFF IN BITES THEN.
FIVE HUNDRED FOR A STANDALONE.
IN STANDALONE, I'M SAYING NOT IN A PARK.
FIVE HUNDRED FEE FOR A SINGLE TRUCK, NOT IN A PARK.
CONSENSUS, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT.
TWO FIFTY IF THE TRUCK IS IN A PARK, AND YOU CAN BE IN UP TO THREE PARKS FOR $250.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE FINE WITH THAT.
THAT'S UNANIMOUS, DANIEL, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.
NOW, ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK WAS TO MAKE THE EXPIRATION DATE FROM THE DATE OF PURCHASE.
I WANT TO JUST ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF STAFF, THE SMALL STAFF THAT WE HAVE HERE.
DANNY WAS THE ONLY ONE DEALING WITH THIS.
IT'S EASIER FOR DANIEL IF WE JUST MAKE ALL OF THE PERMITS EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND IF DANIEL JUST DEALS WITH ALL OF THE PERMITS AT ONCE.
WE'RE DEALING WITH 20 PERMITS AT THIS POINT, WHATEVER, AND IF HE JUST DEALS WITH THEM ALL AT ONCE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HANDLING IT THIS WAY.
>> WE MIGHT USE IT FOR OUR [INAUDIBLE].
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT THE WAY IT IS.
NOW, WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO, SEATING OR COMMISSARY?
>> I SEE COMMISSARY. I GOT AN IDEA ON THAT.
>> OKAY. [LAUGHTER] ALL AT ONCE, WE WANT TO DO COMMISSARY.
ALL RIGHT, KEEP IT SIMPLE, BOB.
>> I WILL. THIS IS AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS.
>> AT THE LAST WORKSHOP, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE PROVIDED US WITH A DOCUMENT THAT WAS FROM THE GALLOPS IN COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT, PROCEDURES FOR OBTAINING FOOD SERVICE PERMIT FOR A MOBILE UNIT.
WE GOT ABOUT, IT TURNED OUT, FOUR OUT OF FIVE PAGES OF THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT.
ON THE FIRST PAGE, IT HAD INSTRUCTIONS FOR COMMISSARY CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITIES, SAYS, "MOBILE FOOD UNIT SHALL OPERATE FROM A CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITY.
OTHER FIXED FOOD ESTABLISHMENT SHALL REPORT SUCH LOCATION FOR SUPPLIES AND FOR CLEANING AND SERVICE OPERATIONS OF THE COMMISSARY OR OTHER FIXED FOOD ESTABLISHMENT USED AS A BASE OF OPERATION FOR MOBILE FOOD UNIT CELL BE CONSTRUCTED AND OPERATED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEXAS FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES." I SAY WE JUST WE JUST PICK THAT UP RIGHT THERE AND EITHER JUST REFERENCE IT OR QUOTE IT AND SAY, "THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO," BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY
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HEARD TWO OR THREE TIMES TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, FIRST OF ALL, AND SECONDLY, TO NOT CONFLICT WITH OTHER REGULATIONS, BEING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS.I THINK IF WE PILE ON TO THIS COMMISSARY LANGUAGE HERE, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT MORE CONFUSING.
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE ONE PRETTY CLEAR SET OF REGULATIONS WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS COMMISSARY THING.
I THINK IF WE JUST REFERENCE THIS, MAYBE COAT THAT FIRST SENTENCE AND THEN SAY, "SEE GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT COMMISSARY, CENTRAL PURPOSE RAVISHING FACILITY LANGUAGE," AND WE'D BE GOOD.
>> IF THEY ALREADY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS, TO STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH, THEN WHY DO WE EVEN NEED TO SAY A WORD ABOUT IT?
>> I THINK WE NEED TO REFERENCE IT JUST SO THERE'S CROSS-LANGUAGE BETWEEN THE TWO.
WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYTHING OUT.
THERE IS NOBODY IS SAYING, WELL, THEY DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COMMISSARY, SO I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IN THE COUNTY HEALTH REGULATIONS THAT WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT.
>> WELL, MOST OF THE COUNTY HEALTH REGULATIONS ARE GUIDELINES.
FROM THE SECOND PAGE ON IS THE GUIDELINE. THERE'S NOT A HAVE TO.
>> COMMISSIONER, I THINK LEASE IS GETTING GEARED UP HERE.
>> YEAH. I WAS GOING TO ASK LEGAL COUNSEL FOR AN OPINION ON THIS.
IF WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT OR ANY OTHER JURISDICTION HAS AUTHORITY OVER IN COMMISSARIES, DO WE NEED TO MAKE MENTION OF ANYTHING, OR EVEN REFERENCE ANYTHING IN OUR CODE OR NOT SAY ANYTHING?
>> WELL, SHOULD WE REFERENCE THE WHOLE DOCUMENT? SHOULD WE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL ARTS OF THE GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, MR. LANSFORD DO WE SAY THAT?
>> WELL, HERE'S JUST A THOUGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE A GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT PERMIT FOR OUR PERMIT PURPOSES.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH GCHD BEFORE THEY EVEN COME TO THE CITY.
WE CAN PRESUME THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IF WE SIMPLY REQUIRE THE HEALTH DISTRICT PERMIT, JUST AS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
>> DOES PRESUMPTION EQUATE TO COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCEMENT? YES.
>> YES. SORRY. [LAUGHTER] THEY HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY HAVE THAT COMMISSARY CONTRACT TO GET THEIR PERMIT FROM US, RIGHT, DANIEL?
>> WELL, IN REGARDS TO BOTH THE COMMISSARY AND THE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT DOES AND DOES NOT REQUIRE.
IF SOMEONE COMES TO THE CITY WITH A CONCESSION APPLICATION AND THEY CANNOT PRODUCE A VALID GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT PERMIT, WHICH WOULD PRESUME THAT THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THAT PROCESS AND GCHD HAS NOT SIGNED OFF ON THEIR END, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT GCHD ALSO DOES REQUIRE THIS CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITY BE PROVIDED AS A PART OF THEIR PERMIT.
THEN THE CITY OF GALVESTON WOULD NOT GIVE THEM A PERMIT FOR CITY OPERATIONS UNTIL THEY HAD BASICALLY COMPLETED GCHD'S STEPS.
>> I THINK IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO REFERENCE BACK INTO THEIR LANGUAGE, THEN I THINK WE DON'T NEED IT. YES, RUSTY.
>> I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE JUST TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE COMMISSARY STUFF IN GENERAL AND JUST SAY, HEY, THE COUNTY REQUIRES IT SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO MESS WITH IT.
THE ISSUE IS THIS, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE, IS THAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE A COMMISSARY OR A COMMISSARY LETTER WHICH YOU COULD GET FROM A RESTAURANT.
I THINK SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY DO THAT.
THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE ARE FOOD TRUCKS THAT COME AND THEY PARK ON A LOT AND THEY NEVER MOVE.
THE COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO COME DO THE INSPECTIONS.
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WHEN WE STARTED THE DISCUSSIONS ON INCLUDING THE COMMISSARY STUFF, IT WAS AN EFFORT TO ONE, HAVE A PLACE TO GO TAKE THEIR TRASH, TWO TO KEEP THEM FROM DUMPING STUFF DOWN OUR SEWER, AND THEN THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS TO GET THEM TO MOVE.YOU CAN'T JUST GO SET UP SHOP AND STAY THERE INDEFINITELY.
BY REQUIRING THEM TO GO TO A COMMISSARY WHICH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO TO GO DO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, IT FIXES SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. NOW, ARE WE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES? NO. MAYBE WE'RE JUST SAYING HEY, THE COUNTY SAYS YOU NEED A COMMISSARY AND THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO IT.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A BUNCH OF TRUCKS THAT THEY HAVEN'T MOVED IN A LONG TIME.
THE COMMISSARY DEAL WILL MAKE IN THAT, AMONG OTHER THINGS.
HOW YOU-ALL WANT TO PUT IT IN THERE AND INCLUDE IT, I'M OPEN TO THAT.
>> LET'S THINK ABOUT SOMETHING, RUSTY.
I AGREE WITH YOU, DON'T FAINT.
[LAUGHTER] YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THAT.
IS THAT TRUCK THAT'S SITTING ON THE CORNER, WHICH IS MY CONCERN.
THEY'RE DUMPING THEIR GREASE PERHAPS, MAYBE DUMPING THEIR GREASE DOWN THE SEWER, AND THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN FOR ME.
ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE NOW UNDER THIS NEW REQUIREMENT, DANIEL, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM PUT THEIR PERMIT IN THE WINDOW OR WHEREVER, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM PUT THEIR PERMIT AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR PERMIT THERE ALL THE TIME.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE THAT PERMIT SHOWING, IS THAT GOING TO BE ANYTHING? IF THEY ARE UNPERMITTED, IS THAT GOING TO HELP US CATCH THEM?
>> IF THEY'RE UNPERMITTED, NO.
BUT WHAT IT WOULD DO IS, THOSE THAT SET UP SHOP, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU.
THE PROBLEM IS JEFFREY, THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE HERE.
HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE-
>> THEY'RE NOT THE ISSUE TO BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU.
I LIKE THE FOOD TRUCK PARKED DEAL FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE PLAYING THAT GAME, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW, IF WE DON'T MAKE A REQUIREMENT AND THE COUNTY DOES REQUIRE IT, NOW, ARE WE DOING THE COUNTY'S JOB BY MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE SIGNED UP AND ARE GOING TO A COMMISSARY? YES, WE ARE.
BUT WE'RE ALSO PROTECTING THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF OUR VISITORS AND OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.
THEY CAN HAVE THE CLEANEST FOOD TRUCK THAT WAS EVER MADE ON THIS PLANET.
RESTAURANTS IN GENERAL ARE JUST DIRTY.
I HATE TO KEEP GOING ON THIS, BUT PART OF THE COMMISSARY DEAL IS ONE, AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME IDEA WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEIR FRESHWATER.
IF THEY'RE STORING GOODS, YES.
I KNOW THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO STORE A LOT OF STUFF ON THEIR TRUCKS.
THE WORST IS YOU STORE BOXES IN THERE.
WELL, THE LITTLE CRITTERS THAT NOBODY LIKES END UP IN THOSE BOXES.
IN A COMMISSARY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STORE THAT STUFF IN THE COMMISSARY OFF THE GROUND YADA, YADA, YADA.
I'M GOING TO QUIT ON THE COMMISSARY, I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA FOR US TO MAKE THAT PART OF WHATEVER WE SEND THE COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND HERE'S OUR LAUNDRY LIST OF REASONS.
>> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, REJONE.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS THING IS ON OR NOT.
I GUESS I MISSED SOMETHING BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME WE MET, [LAUGHTER] THAT WE'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT HAVING THESE GAS STATIONS IN PLACES WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE NOT MOVING, USING THOSE AS COMMISSARY, BECAUSE THEY USUALLY HAVE THE FACILITIES TO GIVE US CLEAN WATER, GET RID OF THE GRAY WATER, AND THAT THE FOOD TRUCK WOULD HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY HAD ONE OF THOSE LITTLE CISTERNS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THEM FOR THE GREASE TRAP THINGS.
I THOUGHT WE HAD SAID THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING ALLOWING THEM TO DO.
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IF WE DID THAT, THE COMMISSARY THING WOULD NOT APPLY UNIVERSALLY ONCE WE STARTED ADDING THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIAS OR DIFFERENT CAVEATS TO THE FOOD TRUCKS.IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN I THINK HERE'S MY THING.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO LONG, I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU ALL. NO, IT'S THE TRUTH.
>> I JUST THINK IT'S BEEN TOO LONG.
>> THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GET IT FINISHED TODAY.
COULD WE SAY THAT THEY NEED TO TRAVEL TO OR SERVICES NEED TO BE PROVIDED ON-SITE, COMMISSARY SERVICES, THEY NEED TO TRAVEL TO OR SERVICES NEED TO BE PROVIDED ON-SITE.
BOB, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD NOW.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS IN ALL THE CASES.
>> IT WORKS GOOD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
IF THE GUYS AT THE GAS STATION, HE CAN CERTAINLY BE HIS OWN COMMISSARY AND HE CAN BE HIS OWN FOOD TRUCK PARK WITH ONE TRUCK.
THERE'S NO REASON HE CAN'T GO PLAY THAT GAME.
BOB, PLEASE SAY WHY YOU DON'T THINK IT WORKS.
>> I HATE TO LIMIT WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR COMMISSARY SERVICES FROM.
THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TO STAB AT THIS, WE TRIED TO DESCRIBE A FREQUENCY OF VISITS AND THAT DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL.
I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD GO INTO THE DETAIL EVEN WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET THE COMMISSARY SERVICES.
BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY A SITUATION OUT THERE WHERE IT DOESN'T WORK TO GET IT ON THE SITE WHERE THEY ARE AT THE MOMENT.
IT MAY BE THAT THEY SET UP SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS NO COMMISSARY ON THE SITE WHERE THEY'RE SERVICING PEOPLE AND THEN THEY HAVE TO LEAVE AND GO THERE.
I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING BY DOING THAT.
>> THERE'S ALSO SOME INDIVIDUAL TRUCK OWNERS THAT IF WE REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THOSE SERVICES ONSITE WE'RE CHEATING THEM.
BUT IT PUTS THEM AT A DISADVANTAGE.
>> DANIEL, PLEASE DIRECT [INAUDIBLE].
>> SORRY. I HATE TO KEEP BRINGING THE COMMISSARY THING UP.
IN MY OPINION FROM HAVING OWNED A FOOD TRUCK IS IT'S A PAIN IN THE REAR TO MOVE YOUR TRUCK.
BUT IF YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO AT CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS AND GO THERE AND CLEAN YOUR STUFF UP BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING THERE IT'S NOT ALL BAD.
I HATED IT EVERY TIME WE HAD TO DO IT.
>> ARE WE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR FOOD TRUCKS? ARE WE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR FOOD TRUCKS? ARE WE TRYING TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INCLUSIVE TO THE SMALLEST ENTREPRENEUR OUT THERE SO THAT THEY CAN BE A FOOD TRUCK OWNER? MIKE ALISON, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I THINK THAT SOMETIMES THE MORE ONEROUS WE START ADDING ALL THESE EXTRA DETAILS, IT STARTS TO MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
>> MY GOAL IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON.
I DON'T WANT THE GREASE GOING DOWN THE SEWERS.
I DON'T WANT GRAY WATER BEING DUMPED.
I DON'T WANT THE NATURAL ASSETS OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON BEING POLLUTED.
>> THAT'S THE CHAIR I'M TRYING TO SIT IN RIGHT NOW, RUJONE.
DANIEL, WHERE I SEE COMMISSARY MENTIONED RIGHT NOW IS ON PAGE TWO, ATTACHMENT A. I SEE COMMISSARY BEING DEFINED IN ITALICS, AND THEN I SEE COMMISSARY BEING USED IN A1EIX.
IS THAT CORRECT? ARE THOSE THE TWO PLACES THAT I SEE COMMISSARY BEING USED?
>> THAT APPEARS TO BE CORRECT.
WE HAVE A DEFINITION WHICH OF COURSE IS ALWAYS THE FIRST STEP WITH THESE FOUR THINGS IS DEFINED EXACTLY WHAT WE MEAN BY X, Y, OR Z.
THEN WE DO MENTION THAT THE COMMISSARY AGREEMENT AND THEN THAT ONE I THINK YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU DOES INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE AS FAR AS THE TRASH, FOR EXAMPLE AND THE VISITATION REQUIREMENTS THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN DISCUSSED.
>> LET'S JUST THINK. COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI I COULD USE YOUR HELP HERE SINCE YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S GOING TO BE HELPING US WHEN THIS GETS TO COUNCIL.
I AM TRULY TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A CITIZENRY STANDPOINT.
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BECAUSE FROM THIS COMMISSARY STANDPOINT, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS HARD ON THE FOOD TRUCK PEOPLE, AND I DON'T WANT THIS STUFF IN OUR SEWERS.IF YOU THINK THAT THIS IS TOO ONEROUS TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSARIES, IT'S TOO ONEROUS ON THE FOOD TRUCK PARKS AND THE SINGLE FOOD TRUCKS, WHOEVER HYPE IN AND SAY, YOU ALL NEED TO LEAVE THIS IN THE DIRT.
YOU ALL NEED TO STEP ASIDE FROM THIS ONE AND MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE.
IF WE TALK ABOUT COMMISSARY, MEANING ANY ESTABLISHMENT WHICH CAN LAWFULLY COLLECT AND OR DISPOSE OF GREASE, OIL, GRAY WATER, AND TRASH.
WHAT IF WE ADDED TO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST AN ESTABLISHMENT.
WHAT IF WE ADDED SOMETHING ABOUT OR SIMILARLY PROVIDE ONSITE SOME LANGUAGE THERE.
BEVERLY MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US OUT WITH LEGAL LANGUAGE ON THAT.
LET US JUST KEEP TALKING IT THROUGH BEFORE WE NAIL ANYTHING DOWN.
THEN SEE IF WE CAN WORK THROUGH IN THIS BOTTOM PART.
IF WE COME TO A CONSENSUS, THEN WE CAN NAIL IT DOWN.
THEN IF WE GO TO A1IX VALID COMMISSARY AGREEMENT INCLUDING FOOD PREPARATION SPACE ABILITY TO PROPERLY DISPOSE SHOULD BE PROPERLY DISPOSE OFF, NOT DISPOSAL, PROPERLY DISPOSE OF WASTEWATER, GREASE, OIL, AND TRASH, AND SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER.
CONCESSIONS ARE REQUIRED TO [NOISE] VISIT A COMMISSARY ONCE PER WEEK OR AS NEEDED.
OTHERWISE, CONCESSIONS SHALL PROVIDE A MANAGED BEST OF SERVICE VISIT SIGNED BY THE COMMISSARY UPON REQUEST.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE WANT TO STICK WITH A WEEKLY THING? OR HOW ARE WE FEELING LIKE WE WANT TO ABANDON THAT?
>> WE GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON THAT ONCE A WEEK AT THE WORKSHOP LAST TIME.
>> CAN I ASK QUESTION ABOUT THAT?
>> THE COMMISSARY, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMISSARY. YOU COULD HAVE AN ON-SITE.
>> REALLY, THIS IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT THE LAW ABIDING FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR IS GOING TO DO FOR SOMEONE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT'S OPERATING.
THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THAT ANYWAY.
THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY TO SIGN UP ON THIS OR SAY THEY DO IT.
IS THERE AN ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF THIS? HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT ORDINANCE? OR IS IT JUST LANGUAGE IN THERE TO TRY TO PROTECT OUR RESOURCES IN THE BEST POSSIBLE?
>> THAT'S WHERE MY THOUGHT INITIALLY WAS.
I'M JUST USING THIS FOR MY EXPERIENCE.
YOU HAD TO GO THERE ONCE A WEEK.
IT'S A PAIN IN THE REAR TO DO THAT.
>> NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAD TO GO.
IF YOU WERE OPEN, YOU HAD TO HAVE PROVIDED A RECEIPT WHERE YOU HAD BEEN THERE WITHIN THE PAST SEVEN DAYS.
I WOULD HAD BEEN THERE WITHIN AND I SHOWED UP.
>> BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE OPTION IN THERE THAT IF THEY HAVE THOSE SERVICES ONSITE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
LET'S JUST SAY THEY'RE STAYING AT THE PARK ON WESTERN.
IT SHOULD PROVIDE AN EXTRA SERVICE TO HER FOOD TRUCK CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS GREAT.
THE DEAL IS AS HEY, YOU GET MY FOOD TRUCK AND YOU PAY THE FEE I'M CHARGING.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED HERE.
>> BUT THIS REALLY ONLY APPLIES TO A TRUCK THAT'S ON A LOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RESOURCES.
>> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IS GOING ON HEALTH-WISE OTHER THAN ONCE UPON A TIME, THEY HAD A LETTER AND THEY GOT A PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY.
>> I'M FINE WITH THAT LANGUAGE.
BUT IT'S ONLY GOING TO PROBABLY APPLY TO A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TRUCKS THAT ARE ON THE ISLAND CURRENTLY.
>> IT IS. I THINK IT'S ALSO IF WE PUT A TIMEFRAME ON IT.
THESE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS, GUYS.
I'M NOT THE WIZARD OF THIS BY ANY MEANS.
YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN ENFORCE.
IF WE PUT SOME TIME FRAMES ON IT, AND I'D SAID 10 DAYS BECAUSE 10 DAYS GIVES THEM A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM.
AT LEAST OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS HAVE SOMETHING THEY CAN GO THEY SHOW UP AND THEN GO HANG YOUR HEAD ON.
IF WE JUST LEAVE IT OPEN-ENDED, YOU JUST GOT TO HAVE A LETTER FROM THE COUNTY THAT BRINGS.
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I JUST THINK IT WOULD HELP WITH THE FOLKS THAT WERE.LOOK IT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF THEM.
IT'S ALWAYS WHAT'S UNFORTUNATE AS YOU GUYS ARE HERE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STUFF ARE VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING FOOD TRUCKS.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND WHAT I THINK.
I'M NOT SAYING MY WAY IS TO GO.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM IF THIS BECOMES OUR LANGUAGE.
IT SOUNDS VERY OPEN AND VERY DOABLE.
MOST PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND, THE MAJORITY OF A FOOD TRUCK OWNERS IN THE ROOM HERE, I THINK [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE SNIPSEL LADY, SORRY I FORGOT YOUR NAME.
[LAUGHTER] I DON'T REMEMBER THE SNIPS.
>> YOU KNOW THEY ARE NOT YET A RESTAURANT.
SO THE RESTAURANT COULD BE THEIR COMMISSARY IN THERE.
>> OKAY. HOW ABOUT IF WE HAVEN'T, SAY THE FIRST LINE STAYS THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THIS DISPOSE OF WASTEWATER.
IT SAYS, "CONCESSIONS ARE REQUIRED TO VISIT A COMMISSARY OR OBTAIN SIMILAR COMMISSARY SERVICES EVERY 10 DAYS OR AS NEEDED, OTHERWISE." HELLO.
>> NOW ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE A SIGN OFF OF SOME KIND? BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT ACCORDING TO WHAT RUSTY'S GOAL IS HERE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME PROOF IF THEY'VE DONE THEIR COMMISSARY DUTIES SOMEHOW.
>> YES. WE LEAVE THAT THE FIRST LINE AS IS AND THE LAST LINE AS IS.
CONCESSION SHALL PROVIDE A MANIFEST OF SERVICE VISIT SIGNED BY THE COMMISSARY OR COMMISSARY SERVICES UPON US OR-
>> COULD WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE [OVERLAPPING] THAT IS DISPLAYED SO THAT THE MARSHAL WOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE PERSON TO GO AND SEARCH THE HOUSE UP.
THE PERSON COULD SIGN OFF. IT COULD BE SOMETHING- [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, THEY CAN DISPLAY IT NEXT TO THEIR PERMIT.
>> I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT TRUCKS.
THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT. THEY COULD JUST PASS BY LIKE YOU DO ON INSPECTION STICKER.
OR I DON'T SEE IT, I GOT TO STOP.
BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING FOR ENFORCEMENT OF A LOT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR THE MARSHALLS.
SIMPLEST POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSARY IS THERE, IF THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.
THEY HAVE TO GO TO EACH TRUCK MANUALLY.
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT.
>> ALMOST LIKE WHEN YOU SEE SO-AND-SO INSPECTED THE CLEAN RESTROOMS AT 10:00 AM, JEFFREY DID IT, BLAH BLAH BLAH ON MARCH 22ND, SO-AND-SO SIGNED OFF ON TRASH, DUMPED, GRAY WATER, WHATEVER.
IT NEEDS TO BE A RECEIPT THOUGH.
IT CAN'T JUST BE A CHECKLIST BECAUSE THEN ANY TOM, DICK, OR HARRY COULD SIGN OFF ON THAT THING, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A RECEIPT ROUGE ON.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SHOW A RECEIPT TO THE MARSHALL.
>> LOOK, BAD APPLES ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET AROUND THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX ALL OF IT.
LOOK, SORRY TO YOU GUYS I KNOW THAT IT'S AN EXTRA BURDEN FOR YOU BUT KEEP IN MIND, YOU GUYS GOT ALSO BE THINKING, HEY, WE DON'T WANT THESE GUYS IN THE BUSINESS IN HERE ANYWAYS, THE BAD APPLES.
I KNOW IT'S AN EXTRA BURDEN FOR SOME OF YOU JUST TO GET SOMEBODY.
>> I WANT TO PROTECT THE CITY.
I THINK, THE CITY IMPORTANTLY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF WATER WE ARE ALREADY PAYING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT WATER [INAUDIBLE].
WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM THAT CAUSES IT TO BE [OVERLAPPING] LOGGED UP, OR MESSED UP OR CONTAMINATED, WHATEVER IS THE CASE.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE MARSHALLS AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS CAN ATTAIN BUT THE BAD APPLES ALWAYS MAKE THE RULES.
JUST THE WAY IT IS. UNFORTUNATELY THEY JUST DO, THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
>> THAT'S TRUE. OKAY, BOB, YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY ABOUT THAT?
>> I JUST WANT TO COORDINATE THIS WITH WHAT THE GALVESTON HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES.
>> REGARDING WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
>> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THROUGHOUT THIS WORKSHOP IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER, THE COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT DOESN'T TALK TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON AND SO FORTH.
AND WE GETTING CONFLICTING RULES AND STUFF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO RECITE WHAT THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT SAYS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
ON THE COMMISSARY IT SAYS, THE OWNER IN ANY MOBILE UNIT MUST PROVIDE VERIFIABLE DOCUMENTATION REGARDING
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THE LOCATION OF THEIR CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITY TO THE HEALTH DISTRICT.BEFORE HEALTH PERMANENT MAY BE ISSUED, A COPY OF THE COMMISSARIES HEALTH PERMIT AND MOST RECENT INSPECTION REPORT MUST BE PROVIDED FOR THE HEALTH DISTRICT'S FILE IF THE COMMISSARY IS NOT LOCATED IN GALVESTON COUNTY.
A LETTER VERIFYING YOUR ACCESS TO COMMISSARY FACILITIES MUST BE SUBMITTED.
A NEW LETTER IS REQUIRED EVERY YEAR.
THIS INFORMATION MUST BE PRESENTED AT YOUR PLAN REVIEW SESSION.
THE LETTER GRANTING PERMISSION TO USE THE CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITY SHOULD BE SUBMITTED ON THE FORM PROVIDED.
THEY'RE GETTING IT FROM THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR COMMISSARY FACILITY IS INSPECTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH YOU CAN GO TO A GAS STATION THAT'S NOT SET UP TO DO THIS THING AND GET THEM TO BE YOUR COMMISSARY.
>> GAS STATION WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO BECOME A COMMISSARY.
>> GOOD. ONTO LAST ITEM, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
I HAVE CONFIDENCE IN US SEATING.
NOW, I'M GOING TO SAY ON THIS.
LAST TIME MENTION WAS MADE ABOUT TYING THIS TO PARKING.
COUNCIL MEMBER LISTALSCKY SPECIFICALLY SAID HE'S NOT CONCERNED ABOUT TYING THIS TO PARKING.
WE WANT TO TRY AND KEEP THIS SIMPLE.
DANIEL SAID, WE CAN ADDRESS BLUE TRUCK PARKS OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET WILL HAVE THIS ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY; IS THAT CORRECT, DANIEL? PLEASE CORRECT ME.
>> YES THAT WAS STAFF'S THOUGHT AT THE TIME.
THE IDEA BEING THAT IF WE GET A FOOD TRUCK PARKED, THAT'S REALLY BIG, THEN MAYBE IT DOES BECOME A PROBLEM, BUT IT'S QUESTIONABLE.
IT SEEMS IF IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR YOUR TYPICAL OPERATION.
>> UNDER 10,000 SQUARE FEET, WE'RE TRYING KEEP IT VERY EASY, VERY SIMPLE.
NOT TRY AND MAKE THIS ALL ABOUT PARKING AND TIE TABLES TO PARKING.
LET'S JUST FIND A SIMPLE FORMULA OR TABLES.
OUR THOUGHT HAD BEEN IN TRYING TO CONCENTRATE FOOD TRUCKS INTO PARKS.
WE WANTED TO PAIR DOWN THE SEATING AT SINGLE FOOD TRUCKS.
WE WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP THE FOOD TRUCKS OUT OF GAS STATION PARKING LOTS.
CORRECT? WE WANTED TO TRY TO KEEP THE SEATING OUT OF THOSE PARTICULAR INSTANCES, OUT OF THOSE PLACES.
HOW CAN WE DO THIS, COMMISSIONERS? I TOTALLY TAKE THE POINT THAT FOUR SEATS IS NOT CORRECT FOR A PICNIC TABLE.
SIX SEATS FOR A PICNIC TABLE. THANK YOU, CLAIRE.
SIX SEATS FOR A PICNIC TABLE. GOT THAT ONE.
THAT'S IT. WHERE DO WE GO WITH THIS, COMMISSIONERS?
>> WELL MY IDEA IS [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE CAN START AT THAT END AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN.
>> I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT I THINK.
I THINK SINGLE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE NOT IN A PARK, NO TABLETOPS, PERIOD.
>> WE'RE NOT HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW.
NOW, YOU WANT TO BECOME A COMMISSARY AND HAVE A SINGLE TRUCK, IT MAY NOT COME.
SO YOU BECOME A FOOD TRUCK, PARK, AND WELL CHECK OFF ALL THE BOXES AND YOU CAN HAVE TABLES HERE.
WHERE WE HAVE SOME EXISTING SINGLE TRUCK OPERATORS.
THEY CAN CHECK THE BOX AND BECOME THEIR OWN FOOD TRUCK PARK TECHNICALLY, AND THEY CAN HAVE TABLETOPS.
I'M OF THE OPINION THAT, SAID MY SEATS, MAYBE YOU DID BY SIX PERSON TABLETOPS.
BUT I THINK ONCE WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT BECAUSE IN THEORY, YOU COULD HAVE A FOOD TRUCK PARK THAT HAS 100 TABLES AND NO PARKING. THAT DOESN'T WORK.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM SOME WITH ANY ON-SITE PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MAGIC NUMBER IS, BUT FOR EVERY TABLE, YOU HAVE ABOVE FOUR, YOU JUST NEED TO START ADDING SOME PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAGIC FORMULA IS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE NEED TO PUT SOME PARKING TABLETOPS.
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YOU COULD SEE THAT I GOT TO OPEN UP A FOOD TRUCK PART.>> WE'RE GOING TO GO JUST DOWN THE LINE. COMMISSIONER YOUR OPINION.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT CONCEPT OF PARK, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A ONE TRUCK PARK.
YOU ARE THEREFORE ELIMINATING SOMEBODY WHO COMES TO A GAS STATION AND JUST PUTS PICNIC TABLES ACROSS THE WHOLE LOT THERE.
THEY IN TURN WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES THAT WOULD LET THEM BECOME A FOOD TRUCK PARK, CORRECT? I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCEPT AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT CONCEPT AS WELL.
>> ABSOLUTELY, WE'VE TAKEN AWAY THE $1000 FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
IT'S NOW $200 OR WHATEVER. COMMISSIONER, FINKLEY.
>> THIS WHOLE IDEA OF ON-SITE PARKING, I THINK, IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO GET TO, PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON-SITE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR EITHER OFFICE OR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS, AND SAYING DOWNTOWN, I MEAN, I THINK IT'D BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING TO TRY TO ENFORCE OR TRY TO ESTABLISH THOSE FOR A FOOD TRUCK VENDOR.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK ADJACENT TO THE CURB IN A VARIETY OF PLACES.
I LIKE THE IDEA OR I FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC RUSTY ON THE CONVERSION OF A SINGLE TRUCK TO A PARK.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, I GUESS YOUR NEW LANGUAGE COMES IN RELATED TO THE AVAILABLE TABLETOPS, SO I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET ANYWHERE ON-SITE PARKING BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE A REAL CHALLENGE.
>> THANK YOU. VICE-CHAIR BROWN?
>> WELL, I THINK FOUR SPACES PER TRUCK IS NOT ENOUGH IN ANY CASE.
I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING, IF YOU HAVE 10 TRUCKS, LET'S SAY, WHAT WAS IT? TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PARKING IS NOT AN ISSUE, DANIEL, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING?
>> THE IDEA WAS THAT PARKING MAY NOT BE SO MUCH OF AN ISSUE UNLESS YOU GET TO A THEORETICALLY A BIG PARK THAT AT THIS POINT AND I'M BRINGING THIS UP FOR A REASON, DOES NOT EXIST.
THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, LATER ON, TO RE-EXAMINE THESE ISSUES IF THERE IS A PROBLEM AND ADDRESS THEM ACCORDINGLY, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW AFTER SIX YEARS OF THE ORIGINAL FOOD TRUCK.
>> YOUR 10,000 SQUARE FEET COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 10 FOOD TRUCKS, I GUESS.
IF EACH FOOD TRUCK 40 PEOPLE, I GUESS.
THAT'S NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE, BUT IF WE DOUBLE THAT, THEN YOU MAY HAVE A PARKING ISSUE WHEREVER THAT IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, BUT I KNOW FOUR SPACES, FOR A TRUCK IS NOT ENOUGH BASED ON YOUR EVIDENCE.
>> FOUR SPACES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT FOUR SEATS OR FOUR PARKING PLACES?
>> NO, FOUR SPACES TO SIT AND EAT.
WELL, I'M SAYING IF YOU GET THE 10 FOOD TRUCKS IN A PARK, FOR INSTANCE, AND YOU HAVE MAYBE 12 PEOPLE SITTING AT EACH FOOD TRUCK, YOU GOT A PARKING PROBLEM.
YOU DON'T PROVIDE SOME ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT.
>> MS. EDWARDS? COMMISSIONER EDWARDS?
>> I WAS LISTENING TO [INAUDIBLE] THINK ABOUT IT EVEN MORE JUST HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. JUST WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH YOU [INAUDIBLE].
>> NOW YOU KNOW MY [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU KNOW WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE THAT, THE WHOLE RESTROOM SITUATION BOTHERS ME.
WHERE WOULD THE PERSON GO TO THE RESTROOM IF THEY HAD TO? IT WOULD START GETTING INTO THE TRASH ISSUE.
IT WOULD START GETTING INTO THE ISSUE OF JUST PARKING AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE PERSON IS STAYING THERE NOW.
I GET WHY WE WOULD WANT TO DO IT, BUT I HAVE TO SAY I AGREE TO [INAUDIBLE].
IT'S HARD TO PUT A TABLETOP THERE AND THEN THERE'S THAT ALL THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT COME WITH A RESTAURANT [INAUDIBLE] I AGREE AS FAR AS THE PARKING THING, WE DON'T ASK FOR PARKING ON THE FESTIVALS.
WE DON'T NOT ASK PARKING FOR VARIOUS OTHER ACTIVITIES.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP PARKING.
PARKING IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO EVER RESOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ON THE ISLAND, WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
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PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PARK WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PARK, IN GENERAL, NO MATTER WHAT.WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A 10,000 TRACK PARKING AS WELL.
I THINK WE SHOULD LET THE PARKING ISSUE GO.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD REALLY RECOMMEND.
>> KEEPING IT SIMPLE, IF THERE'S NO PLACE TO PARK, I'M GOING ON TO SOMEWHERE ELSE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M GOING TO START OUT BY ASKING A QUESTION.
WHAT ARE THE BOXES YOU HAVE CHECKED TO HAVE A FOOD PARK?
>> [INAUDIBLE] NO PROOF OF THAT TODAY? I KNOW [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHECKING THE BOXES TO HAVE A FOOD PARK IN PLACE OF A STANDALONE TRUCK.
>> [OVERLAPPING] YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FACILITIES.
>> JUST STATE THOSE QUICKLY FOR ME.
>> AS FAR AS WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES?
>> YES, TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
>> NO. WITHIN THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
>> SOME OF THIS IS THE SAME AS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
I'M JUST READING FROM OUR DRAFT [INAUDIBLE] STUFF FROM KNOCKING THINGS OVER.
COMPLETED APPLICATION, OF COURSE, VALID LEGAL IDENTIFICATION, PHOTOS OF THE CONCESSION VEHICLE, PROOF OF INSURANCE, AND THE BOND THING NEEDS TO BE STRUCK.
THAT'S NOT REALLY LIKE IT'S INSURANCE ANYWAY.
SITE PLAN JUST SHOWING WHERE THE TRUCK IS GOING TO BE ON SITE.
THAT'S REALLY JUST TO ENSURE THEY DON'T TAKE UP ANY REQUIRED PARKING THAT WOULD NORMALLY NEED TO BE THERE FOR THE OTHER BUSINESSES.
SHOWING WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TRASH AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT PERMIT REQUIRED, VALID, OF COURSE, COPY OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT, SINCE THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, STATE SALES TAX, AND USE PERMIT.
THE CONTENTIOUS COMMISSARY AGREEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE REALLY REQUIRING.
LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
>> SOME OF THOSE THINGS SOUND LIKE THEY ARE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACTUAL FOOD TRUCK OWNER. AM I MISSING THAT? BECAUSE IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS A LANDOWNER COULD GET LIKE A HEALTH DISTRICT PERMIT FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
YOU CAN'T GET A PERMIT FOR THAT. CORRECT.
>> NO, BUT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NAIL.
BUT LET'S SAY I'M A SINGLE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR OPERATING IN A PARK.
>> WHAT COULD I DO TO BECOME A FOOD TRUCK PARK? I'D NEED A BATHROOM.
>> LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THE FOOD TRUCK OWNER.
WHAT IF I'M A PROPERTY OWNER AND I WANT TO OPEN A FOOD TRUCK PARK, WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO DO THAT?
>> DANIEL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOU'D NEED BATHROOMS WHICH YOU COULD PUT PERMANENT OR TEMPORARY.
>> WE DIDN'T MAKE A DISTINCTION.
>> WE DIDN'T MAKE A DISTINCTION
>> JUST SOME TYPE OF RESTROOM FACILITIES.
>> ANY RESTROOM AND IT COULD BE IN MY OPINION, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS IT COULD BE A [INAUDIBLE].
YOU'D PROBABLY NEED A DUMPSTER TO GET RID OF THE WASTE.
IF YOU WERE A COMMISSARY, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A MEANS TO DISPOSE OF WASTEWATER, BUT YOU'RE NOT.
BASICALLY, YOU'D NEED RESTROOMS AND A DUMPSTER.
>> THAT'S WHAT'S IN OUR [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'M SURE THERE'S MORE [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGHTER] I KNOW EVERYONE LOVES THAT ANSWER.
BUT I SAY YES BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THAT'S ALL INCLUDE IN OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, AND I JUST WANT TO HUMBLY STRESS THIS.
SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT.
SOME OF THOSE ARE WHAT THE CITY HAS ADDED ON TO ADDRESS THE CITY'S SPECIFIC CONCERNS.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT REQUIRES IS THE RESTROOM ACCESS, AND WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS, OBVIOUSLY AND I UNDERSTAND, A CONCERN ABOUT KEEPING GALVESTON CLEAN AND PROTECTING THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY, AND WELFARE.
HOWEVER, KEEP IN MIND THAT ONCE AGAIN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES CAN DO AS FAR AS THIS LEVEL OF REGULATION ENFORCEMENTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CITY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WE WILL NEVER HAVE THAT, MOST LIKELY WE'LL NEVER HAVE THE MANPOWER OR BUDGET IS MY GUESS.
>> I THINK YOU'RE GETTING OFF THERE.
I'M WANT YOU TO TRY TO STAY FOCUSED HERE ON THE PARK.
>> THE COUNTY HAS NO REGULATIONS ON REGULATING A FOOD TRUCK PARK, RIGHT? THE COUNTY HAS NO REGULATIONS OF ME AS A PROPERTY OWNER
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SETTING UP MY PROPERTY TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK PARK ON IT.TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK ACTUALLY PARK A VEHICLE ON IT.
>> PROBABLY MOST LIKELY NOT WITHIN CITY LIMITS BECAUSE OF STATE HOME RULE LAWS IN THE COUNTY AND MAYBE DIFFERENT.
BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES, NO THAT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THE CITY WOULD GOVERN.
>> THE HEALTH DISTRICT IS OUT OF THE PICTURE WHEN WE ACTUALLY PERMIT A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
IF I'M A PROPERTY OWNER AND I COME TO THE CITY OVER THERE TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I SAY, "HEY, I WANT TO I WANT TO OPEN A FOOD TRUCK PARK." I'M NOT A FOOD TRUCK OWNER, BUT I WANT TO PERMIT A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
>> BUT YOU HAVE TO GET A HEALTH PERMIT [INAUDIBLE].
>> I DON'T, I'M NOT A COMMISSARY.
>> I'M NOT A COMMISSARY. I'M A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
THE FOOD TRUCK IF WE REQUIRE FOOD TRUCK TO GO TO A COMMISSARY, THEN WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR TRUCK.
THEY GOT TO MOVE IT TO THE COMMISSARY EVERY 10 DAYS AND THEN COME BACK TO MY PARK.
>> BUT THE EXPECTATION IS GOING TO BE THAT YOU DO.
>> I THINK SO FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING TODAY.
>> THEY HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF OWNING A FOOD TRUCK PARK AND HAVING A COMMISSARY, TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
>> I KNOW BUT FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING.
ONE OF THE ATTRACTIONS OF THE FOOD PARK IS THAT IT IS THE COMMISSARY.
>> I DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE THEIR BUSINESS [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORD ATTRACTION.
THE ATTRACTION FOR THEM IS THAT THEY ALSO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE.
IT'S A SERVICE, SECONDARY SERVICE.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO THE PARKS AND DO IT.
>> JUST SAY AGAIN, I [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> MAYBE I'M NOT AS SMART BUSINESSMAN.
I SAY, "HEY, I WANT TO OPEN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
I'M NOT IN THE COMMISSARY BUSINESS.
>> OR MAYBE I WANT TO GO TO HOUSTON EVERY OTHER DAY.
>> MY FOOD TRUCKS, SO I DON'T NEED TO [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WANT ATTRACT A DIFFERENT FOOD TRUCK EVERY WEEK TO MY PARK.
IT'S JUST EVERY WEEKEND I'M GOING TO BRING IN DIFFERENT FOOD TRUCKS.
THEY PROVIDE COMMISSARY SERVICE.
AGAIN, GIVE ME WHAT I NEED TO PERMIT CORRECTLY A FOOD TRUCK PARK IN GALVESTON ACCORDING TO OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE.
>> THERE'S THE POWER DEAL TOO.
WE DIDN'T MENTION THAT. YOU'D HAVE TO PROVIDE PERMANENT POWER FORM.
>> I BET WE NEVER FINISHED THAT PART EITHER.
BECAUSE I NOW HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT AND DANIEL [OVERLAPPING].
>> THREE THINGS. I'M GOING TO COME TO DANIEL.
I'VE GOT PERMANENT POWER ON SITE.
I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A PORTA-POTTY.
I'M GOING TO PROVIDE TRASH SERVICE.
CAN I HAVE A PERMIT TO OPEN A FOOD TRUCK PARK?
>> CURRENTLY, REALLY, WE WOULD JUST LOOK AT ZONING AND THE NUMBER OF CONCESSIONS THAT WOULD BE THEORETICALLY ALLOWED.
THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH TO BEING A CONCESSION PARK AT THE MOMENT.
WE WEREN'T PROPOSING TO ADD A LOT OF ADDITIONAL ON THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT FROM WHAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. WHAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ARE WE ADDING TO OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE? WHAT IS THAT ADDITIONAL STUFF THAT I'M REQUIRED TO DO? IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S MUCH.
MY POINT IS HERE, MY WHOLE POINT BRING THIS TO COUNCIL AND TO PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO GET FOOD TRUCKS OUT OF OUR GAS STATIONS.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE GAS STATION GOES, I'M GOING TO APPLY FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK PERMIT.
I HAVE RESTROOMS. GIVE ME MY PERMIT FROM OUR FOOD TRUCK PARK, AND THEY CONTINUE OPERATING JUST LIKE THEY ARE TODAY.
WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER REGULATIONS IN HERE.
IF THAT'S AN ISSUE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE IT GOES, COUNCIL, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
>> WHAT DO WE HAVE? THAT GAS STATION.
WE JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, IF WE REQUIRE THE COMMISSARY VISITS ONCE EVERY 10 DAYS, THEN THEY HAVE THE SHOW AS THEIR SIGN-OFF IS THAT COMMISSARY VISIT AND THE GAS STATION CAN'T GET A HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT TO BE A COMMISSARY.
THAT FOOD TRUCK DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO PICK UP AND GO DRIVE OFF SOMEWHERE TO A COMMISSARY AND MISS THAT TWO OR THREE DAYS OF BUSINESS.
HE'S NOT GOING TO STAY AT THAT GAS STATION VERY LONG.
>> MOST OF THESE GAS STATIONS PROBABLY HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING THAT COMMISSARY FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
>> THEY MAY. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT FOOD ESTABLISHMENT RULES ARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> BOB, THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISTRACTION THERE FOR SAY, THE ROOSTER THAT'S OUT IN FRONT OF INSURANCE JUNCTION.
I THINK IT IS CALLED THE SOMETHING ROOSTER IN IT. MAYBE?
>> THE GOLDEN ROOSTER. THANK YOU.
THEY MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
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THEY MIGHT TRY TO SEEK OUT A FOOD TRUCK PARK OR SOMEWHERE OR GAS STATION PARKING LOT THAT THEY CAN GET A COMMISSARY OFF OF.THAT'S A ONE EXAMPLE. THAT ELIMINATES ONE OF THEM.
BUT THE GAS STATION ONE I DON'T THINK WE'RE ELIMINATING BECAUSE, I THINK MOST OF THESE GAS STATIONS THAT I SEE THE FOOD TRUCKS AT, FOOD IN THE GAS STATION.
PROBABLY CAN MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE COMMISSARY.
THAT'S ONE OF MY ISSUES WITH THIS.
WISH WE COULD REALLY TIGHTEN THAT UP SOMEHOW AND THEN JUST SWING BACK AROUND ON PARKING.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING.
I WOULD SAY THAT 10,000 SQUARE FEET PROBABLY NEEDS TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT, TO MAYBE 11,000 SQUARE FEET, BECAUSE IF YOU HAD TWO CITY LOTS IN TOWN THAT YOU WANT TO DO A FOOD TRUCK PARK ON, YOU WOULD START HAVING PARKING REQUIREMENTS IF IT WAS OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE OF THE STANDARD CITY LOTS, ABOUT 5,040 SQUARE FEET.
PROBABLY BUMPED THAT UP TO ABOUT SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU HAD TWO LOTS, YOU WOULD NOT REQUIRE PARKING.
THE POINT THAT WAS SAID EARLIER, THERE'S A LOT OF ZONING CATEGORIES IN GALVESTON THAT DON'T REQUIRE PARKING CURRENTLY.
MAYBE TIED IN WITH A ZONING CATEGORY IF YOU ARE GOING TO REQUIRE PARKING.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
AGAIN, MY WHOLE POINT WAS TRYING TO NOT, I'M ALL FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS.
I DON'T WANT TO RUN ALL THE FOOD TRUCKS OUT OF TOWN.
I LIKED THE FOOD TRUCKS, BUT I WANT THEM TO PLAY BY THE RULES AND I REALLY WANT TO GET THEM OUT OF A GAS STATION PARKING LOT.
>> BECAUSE I THINK THEY LOOK TRASH AND I GUESS [OVERLAPPING].
>> OR A BLIGHT. IF HE THINKS THEY ARE A BLIGHT.
>> WE ALL ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S GOING BE A QUESTION.
WHY? WHY DO WE WANT [OVERLAPPING].
>> IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE [OVERLAPPING].
>> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK THEY LOOK TRASH IN THE GAS STATION PARKING LOT.
I WOULD RATHER SEE THEM CONGREGATED IN ONE PLACE, THAN JUST LEASING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AS A STANDALONE FOOD TRUCK AND OPERATING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK THAT STARTS PROBABLY MAKE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO SOME OF OUR OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS IN TOWN.
>> THEN WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT VISUAL AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE THEN WE JUST STARTING TALKING ABOUT.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SAY WELL, WHY WE GOT A BUNCH OF LIGHTS IN THE CITY.
YEAH. [LAUGHTER] IT'S GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] JASON IS OUT IN THE AUDIENCE HERE.
HE'S GOT A STANDALONE FOOD TRUCK OUT THERE.
I'M FINE WITH HIM HAVING TO GET A FOOD TRUCK PARK AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT EXACTLY IT IS.
[INAUDIBLE] BUT I'VE GOT A [OVERLAPPING].
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANYBODY, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THERE.
IT'S VERY SIMPLE FOR SOMEONE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND REALLY ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE'RE PUTTING THOSE REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GREASE GOES IN THE PROPER PLACE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TRASH GETS PUT IN THE TRASH CAN.
IF YOU MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, I'M FINE WITH IT.
WHAT HAPPENS IF A GAS STATION, WE GET SOME OF THESE SUPER GAS STATIONS LIKE BUCKY'S.
I'LL JUST USE BUCKY'S AS AN EXAMPLE.
THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, THEY HAVE ALL COMMISSARY, AND THEY DECIDE, OH, WAIT, I'M JUST GOING TO FOOD TRUCKS TO MY GAS STATION.
ARE WE SAYING THAT GAS STATION, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAS STATIONS BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH COMMISSARY.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GAS STATION BECAUSE THEY ARE BLIGHT.
IF WE START SAYING THAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET A GAS STATION THAT'S A NICE GAS STATION.
THEY BUILD ON THE SAME WALL [OVERLAPPING] TO ME IT'S THE SAME THING.
YOU THINK IT'S THE SAME THING? YEAH. I MEAN, A NICE GAS STATION AS OPPOSED TO A BAD GAS STATION WITH A FOOD TRUCK AND A PARKING LOT IS THE SAME.
WHY WOULD YOU SAY YOU CAN'T PUT A FOOD TRUCK IN A GAS STATION? JUST MAKE IT SIMPLE.
CAN WE DO THAT? [LAUGHTER] YEAH. CAN WE? I'M JUST SAYING LET'S MAKE IT SIMPLE. [LAUGHTER].
ALL THIS. A LOT OF YOU SAY [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER].
LET'S TAKE THE EASY PART FIRST.
ON CONCESSION PARK LIMITED USE STANDARDS.
A1G, CONCESSION PARKS OVER 11,000, CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO 11,000 SQUARE FEET IN AREA MUST PROVIDE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? CAN WE ALL AGREE ON THAT? ELEVEN THOUSAND, EVERYBODY RAISE YOUR HANDS.
WE HAVE THAT AS UNANIMOUS ON 11,000.
NEXT, LET'S GO TO SEATING THEN WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THE LARGE ELEPHANT, THE LARGE, THEN WE'VE GOT THE BIG, BIG PROBLEM.
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LET'S TALK ABOUT SEATING FIRST FOR SINGLE STAND ALONE. I DON'T KNOW.CAN WE DO THAT THIS WAY? HOW DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS Y'ALL? DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SINGLE TRUCKS? DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT PARKS? WE'VE GOT PARKS AS HAVING NO MORE THAN FOUR PERSONS FOR EACH CONCESSION IN A CONCESSION PARK WHICH WE KNOW IS NOT GOING TO FLY.
DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT FIRST? WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PARKS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SINGLE TRUCKS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER LOUIS TASCII TALKED ABOUT WHICH WAS CONCESSION PARK LIMITED USE STANDARDS IN GENERAL BECAUSE HIS CONCERN IS TIGHTENING UP THE ABILITY TO JUST DECLARE YOURSELF A CONCESSION PARK IN GENERAL AND THEN MOVE ON.
I'D BRING THIS UP BUT SO I'M THINKING ABOUT HIS PARK.
GAS STATION AND CERTAINLY THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS AT GAS STATIONS.
YOU CAN'T JUST GO PUT IN A GAS STATION NOT HAVE ANY PARKING.
BUT I HATE TO BACKUP 10 STEPS AND BRING UP THE PARKING THING BUT IN JUST THINKING OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MAKING PARKING HELPS US.
SOME PARKING DEAL HELPS US WITH A GUY LIKE JASON.
I THINK HE'S JASON AND HE'S NOT THE ONLY GUY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER GUYS LIKE THAT THAT ARE OUT THERE IN A SINGLE SPOT [BACKGROUND] AND THEY'VE GOT PLENTY ROOM AND THEY HAVE PLENTY PARKING.
[BACKGROUND] WHAT'S THAT? [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
MAN, YOU STUMPED ME ON THAT ONE.
[BACKGROUND] WE'VE BEEN SPENDING ALL THIS TIME AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOSH, WE'RE JUST GOING BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
SORRY. I DIDN'T, I'M JUST MAKING A COMMENT.
I REALLY I'M INTERRUPTED IS WHAT I'VE DONE.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO REVISIT THE PARKING THING A LITTLE BIT.
IN WHAT? I'M SORRY. NO, YOU GO AHEAD JOHN.
I MEAN, YOU MIGHT GET SOME HELP FROM STAFF HERE ON YOUR ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND PARKING AND IF IT IS REQUIRED WITHIN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, MAYBE YOU DO HAVE TO PROVIDE IT OR EVEN IF IT GOES DOWN TO LESS THAN THE 11,000 SQUARE FEET IN SOME OF THESE ZONING AREAS THAT YOU THINK WILL HAVE MORE TROUBLE WITH PARKING, TIED TO ZONING AND THE USE THAT WE ARE IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
I DON'T THINK WE REQUIRE PARKING FOR ANYTHING.
WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE FOR IN THAT DISTRICT BUT IN A WESTIN OR THE COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE YOU HAVE MORE LAND AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND SOME PARKING DOWN THERE.
I HAVE PLACE TO PUT MORE TABLETOPS.
THEY CAN HAVE MORE PARKING THEN THAT'S WHAT MADE ME THINK OF MAYBE PARKING AND SEATING, MAYBE THEY DO GO TOGETHER.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS IS HELPING US.
[OVERLAPPING] RUSTY, LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF A FOOD TRUCK IS DISPLACING REQUIRED PARKING AT A GAS STATION, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN USE TO REGULATE? THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING YOU WERE SAYING.
SORRY. [OVERLAPPING] I DIDN'T JUST SAY THAT.
TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER EDWARD'S QUESTION.
PRETTY MUCH ALMOST ALL LAND USES, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WERE A NEW BUILD AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY WHOSE GRANDFATHER HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE DOES REQUIRE A PARK AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE GAS STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE CAR WASHES FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS MANY STORAGE, THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT, YEAH, REASONABLY PEOPLE DON'T HANG AROUND TOO MUCH.
TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, ONE OBSERVATION THAT MAY BE HELPFUL IS IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE NATURE OF GALVESTON ''BUILT ENVIRONMENT''.
THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT DON'T REQUIRE PARKING FOR ANYTHING, FOR EXAMPLE CENTRAL BUSINESS ARE ALSO GOING TO BE THOSE AREAS THAT TEND NOT TO HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO A REALLY BIG CONCESSION PARK.
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THEY'RE GOING BE MORE OF THE EAST.LET'S SAY ARBITRARILY EAST OF THE AIRPORT FOR EXAMPLE.
AS OPPOSED TO FURTHER OUT, YOU MAY GET SOME BIGGER PARCELS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATELY ZONE AND SO YOU COULD DO A SIMILARLY LARGE PARK.
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS FAR AS WOULD TYING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO BASE ZONING WORK OR NOT.
IT COULD BE THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS LIKE COMMISSIONER EDWARDS ALSO MENTIONED, THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE PARKING ISSUES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PARKING ISSUES NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN THAT WERE LAID OUT BEFORE AUTOMOBILES WERE A THING.
TALK A LOT MORE HORSES AND YOU CAN'T AUTOMOBILES.
WHAT ABOUT A GAS STATION ON 61ST STREET? IS THERE PARKING ON THAT LOT TIED DIRECTLY TO THE SIZE OF THAT PARCEL OF LAND? IT TENDS TO GO BY THE BASE ZONING AND THE LAND USE GENERALLY SPEAKING.
THIS IS A VERY BROAD RULE OF THUMB.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS OR COMMERCIAL LAND-USE WOULD BE ONE SPOT PER 300 SQUARE FOOT OF AREA.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, A FRAME OF REFERENCE.
JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT, IF THAT CONVENIENCE STORE THAT WAS PART OF THE GAS STATION, THE PUMPS.
THAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU WOULD USE TO DETERMINE HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU NEED? BUT PROBABLY IF THERE WAS A GAS STATION IN FRONT OF RANDLES THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CONVENIENT STORE, PROBABLY NOT A LOT OF PARKING TIED TO THOSE PUMPS.
>> IF R1, WILL YOU GIVE US A QUICK DEFINITION OF THE ZONING SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE ZONING BECAUSE WHAT WOULD BE THE ZONING FROM MARKET STREET FROM 21ST - 37TH? IS THAT ALL THE SAME ZONE THERE?
>> NO. THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, ONCE YOU START GOING REALLY THIS IS ARBITRARY.
BUT MORE OR LESS SAY ONCE YOU GO WEST OF 25TH STREET.
YOU'RE GOING TO START GETTING INTO MORE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR A LOT OF COMMERCIAL VENTURES.
A LOT OF THAT AREA IS THE SMALLER SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILT-IN PAST AREAS.
IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DOWNTOWN AREA THAT PARKING IS ALWAYS AT A PREMIUM NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
WE DO NOT CURRENTLY AND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO ALLOW CONCESSIONS OR CONCESSION PARKS IN THOSE MORE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
>> IS A CONCESSION PARK A COMMERCIAL OPERATION?
>> I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A COMMERCIAL VENTURE.
YEAH, CURRENTLY. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT REALLY PROPOSING THE CHANGE.
THESE CONCESSION PARKS ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT.
WOULD NORMALLY HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL CAPABILITY, LIKE COMMERCIAL OR RESORT RECREATION, OR CENTRAL BUSINESS, FOR EXAMPLE.
>> ARE WE OVERTHINKING THIS AND JUST SHOULD WE ALLOW THE ZONING FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL PARCEL CONTROL, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS?
>> I THINK THAT MAY BE A PRETTY SOLID RECOMMENDATION THAT WE JUST LET THE BASE ZONING, THE BASE PARKING REQUIREMENTS HANDLE THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE HERE.
IT'S GOING TO HANDLE THAT FOR A LOT OF OTHER STUFF ALREADY.
>> I THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST ROUTE TO TAKE.
>> WHAT WOULD THAT BE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE TRUCK OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SITE? [OVERLAPPING] WE GAVE [OVERLAPPING] REGULATED.
DANIEL, YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.
>> WELL, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMAN DOSTOYEVSKY IS ASKING.
I'M GOING TO LAY THIS OUT REAL FAST.
IF BASE ZONING REQUIRES SOME PARKING AND IF WE SAY WELL, YOU HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET OR AT 11,000 SQUARE FEET, WHATEVER.
THEN THAT LEAVES THE QUESTION.
YOU HAVE TO MEET PARKING, BUT IF PARKING IS 1 PER 300 SQUARE FEET.
DO YOU ADD UP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE NOT VERY BIG OR HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT IN THAT CASE? I THINK THAT WAS WHY STAFF HAD HAD THE IDEA OF JUST ABSTRACTING IT TO TWO SPACES PER TRUCK BECAUSE IT GETS AROUND THAT A HEAD-SCRATCHER OF WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT.
I MEAN SQUARE FOOTAGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOOD TRUCK OR A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
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BUT ALSO THIS MATH WILL BE DONE FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARKED PERMIT THIS IN MATH, OR THIS WORKAROUND WILL BE DONE IN OFFICE, NOT ON THE STREET BY THE CITY MARSHAL WITH THE CALCULATOR AND THEN.YEAH. THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN STAFF WOULD LOOK AT AND REVIEW THESE THINGS.
WITH ALL THESE THINGS, YOU'LL JUST AS A REMINDER.
WHAT WE PERMIT? PERMITTING IS TO A DEGREE DIFFERENT THAN CODE ENFORCEMENT.
PERMITTING IS, "HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT SAY OR GOING TO DO WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR APPLICANTS DO EXACTLY THAT.
BUT IF SOMETHING GOES AWRY, THEN IT BECOMES A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
THEY'RE RELATED, BUT REALLY THEY'RE LIKE TWO SEPARATE RELATED ISSUES.
BUT MY POINT BEING IS THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE MAKING THAT DETERMINATION OF PARKING SPOTS PER DOING ALL OF THAT OUT IN THE FIELD.
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
THE BLESSED WHAT WE ASKED FOR THE SITE PLAN SO WE CAN VERIFY THOSE THINGS.
WE CAN DO THIS. [LAUGHTER] WE CAN DO THIS. [LAUGHTER].
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
[OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE FIVE-MINUTES.
WE'RE GOING TO SAY IS GOING TO BE 6 OR 12.
WERE JUST STAY AT COMMISSIONERS.
HOW MANY SEATS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE FOR A SINGLE STAND ALONE FOOD TRUCK.
THE GUY WHO'S GOING TO PAY 500 DOLLAR.
THE A GUY WHO'S GOING TO BE SITTING ALL ALONE IN A GAS STATION PARKING LOT.
I'M AT I THOUGHT WE WERE AT ZERO.
MR. WALLA, [BACKGROUND] MR. COMMISSIONER WALLA, WHERE IT'S ZERO.
[BACKGROUND] NO FOOD TRUCK, BUT SINGLE COMMISSIONER WALLA IS AT ZERO.
EVERYONE WHO'S AT HANG ON THAT DIP IT. I'M SORRY.
THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION TO BECOME A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
WE'RE AT ZERO. ANY, EVERYONE WHO IS IN FAVOR OF THAT, RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE'RE NOT TAKING ACTION, WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT THIS IS THIS [BACKGROUND] STAFF DIRECTION STEP.
IT'S NOT PASSED. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU.
[LAUGHTER] NOW, WE'RE INTO OUR LAST ONE WHICH IS IN OUR FOOD TRUCK PARKS.
WE HAD FOUR WHICH WOULD BECOME SIX.
HOW MANY TABLES PER TRUCK FOR THE PARK? [BACKGROUND] TWO PICNIC TABLES PER TRUCK? YES.
TWELVE SEATS PER TRUCK IS ON THE TABLE.
WHO'S FOR THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE AT 12 SEATS PER TRUCK ON THAT ONE.
NOW THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
HONESTLY, COUNCIL MEMBER LIST HOUSEKEEPER, I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD TIGHTEN THIS UP.
I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.
I SPENT A TON OF TIME ON THIS.
I HAVE SPOKEN TO BEVERLY WEST WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WHAT WE CAN DO NOW IS MR. LUNSFORD CAN INCORPORATE THESE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE TODAY.
THEN HE CAN CIRCULATE THEM TO US AS THEY DO OUR AGENDAS AND OUR MINUTES.
ALL OF US CAN LOOK AT THEM AND WE CAN SEND HIM BACK ANY MINOR CLERICAL CHANGES, COMMENTS, WHATEVER.
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WE CANNOT MAKE MATERIAL CHANGES WITHOUT COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER WORKSHOP.UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY BIG, HUMONGOUS PROBLEMS, THIS WILL BE END. YES, SIR.
WHAT'S THE FEE STRUCTURE FOR PARTS SOURCES, STANDALONE FOOD TRUCKS.
WERE AT 500 FOR A SINGLE TRUCK, 250 FOR A PARK AND YOU CAN BE IN UP TO THREE PARKS.
I ACTUALLY AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, DANIEL, THAT IT WILL, WE SET UP TO THREE PARKS UNITS CAN BE AS MANY PARKS IF YOU WANT BUT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PERMIT PROCESS FOR THE FOOD TRUCK PARK? PARK IS 200 FOR THE PARK OWNER.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE WERE STAFFS IDEA WAS TO BASICALLY TREAT THIS AS A SAME WAY WE WOULD DO A ZONING COMPLIANCE.
CERTIFICATES ZONING COMPLIANCE LETTER IS ONLY 100 DOLLARS WOULD ACTUALLY BE 100 IN THIS CASE WITH.
AGAIN, I MIGHT OPEN A FOOD TRUCK WORK.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
IF I'M A LANDOWNER AND I WANT TO OPEN A FOOD TRUCK PARK, IT'S GOING TO COST ME WOULD SAY A 100 BUCKS DEPARTMENT IT.
THEN THE ACTUAL WHEN I CALL IT THE FOOD TRUCK AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU HAVE A PERMIT TO BE IN MY PARK AND THEY'RE GONNA GO, YES AND I HAD TO PAY. HOW MUCH FOR IT? YOU DON'T PAY ANYTHING? NO, I SAID [BACKGROUND] WHEN I CALL THEM UP.
THEY SAY YES, THEY HAVE A PERMIT.
HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY FOR THAT PERMANENT? IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE, I GUESS THEORETICALLY 250 DOLLAR.
ALTHOUGH REALLY THE APPLICANT SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR PARK LINED UP BEFORE THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION.
BECAUSE WE WERE PROPOSING TO PRORATE OR REFUND ANYTHING.
JUST SAY I HAD A SPOT ON 61ST STREET AND I WANTED TO DO A FOOD TRUCK PART.
I WOULD PAY 100 DOLLAR FOR THE PARK APPLICATION.
THEN IF I HAD THE FIRST FOOD TRUCK PARK ON THEIR COSTS ME 250 DOLLAR TO PERMANENT IT.
THEY'LL BE ON THE FOOD TRUCK ITSELF NOW IN THE PARK.
IT'S ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO DO A FOOD TRUCK PARK THAN IT IS A STANDALONE FOOD TRUCK.
[LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE] THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT, JOHN PAUL. THANK YOU, SIR.
I THINK THIS WHOLE CREW SHOULD STAND UP AND APPLAUD MR. DANIEL LUNSFORD [OVERLAPPING] [APPLAUSE] WHO YOU ARE NOW, [OVERLAPPING].
WE'LL RECONVENE AND EVERYBODY WHO NEEDED A TWO-MINUTE BREAK.
YES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.