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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO ORDER FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING.[Landmark Commission on April 4, 2022.]
TODAY IS MONDAY, APRIL 4TH, 2022, AND THE TIME IS 4:00.WE WILL START WITH ATTENDANCE.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER KERSTING.
PRESENT. CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON.
PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SWANSON.
COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS. PRESENT.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES, REVIEW THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? ANY CHANGES [INAUDIBLE] CORRECTIONS? WE WILL APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
CATHERINE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR US ON AGENDA NON AGENDA ITEMS? NO WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED.
OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND FOR SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE FAIRLY NEW TO THE COMMISSION, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS BASICALLY A ROUTINE APPROVAL.
SO THERE WILL BE NO PRESENTATION FROM STAFF.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE CASE TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA AND MOVED ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA WHERE IT CAN BE DISCUSSED THERE.
ONE OTHER CHANGE IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE SECOND CASE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH IS 21LC-007, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT UP FIRST AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST CASE SECOND, BECAUSE THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ALSO CONNECTED TO THAT FIRST ITEM.
SO THAT WILL ALLOW OUR GUESTS TO MOVE ON WITH THEIR DINNER PLANS.
SO CONSENT AGENDA 22LC-008, ADJACENT TO 2328 STRAND.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO? SEEING NONE.
ARE THERE ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE THIS MOVED OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUT ONTO THE REGULAR AGENDA? SEEING NONE. THEN I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS.
THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH CASE 21LC-007.
[INAUDIBLE] ADJACENT TO 2328 STRAND/AVENUE B.
THERE WERE NO OBJECTIONS FROM CITY DEPARTMENTS IN THIS CASE.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A RECOMMENDATION TO PLACE A PORTION OF A HANDRAIL ON THE SIDEWALK WITHIN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO RIONDA'S RESTAURANT.
THE PURPOSE OF THE HANDRAIL IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SAFETY FOR CUSTOMERS TO ENTER AND EXIT THE RESTAURANT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL REVIEW THIS AT THEIR MEETING TOMORROW ON APRIL 5TH, AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THE FINAL DECISION AUTHORITY FOR LTU REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS CASE 22LC-007 REQUEST REGARDING RECOMMENDATION FOR A LICENSE TO USE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY BE APPROVED WITH SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT 1 TO 3 SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND 4 THROUGH 9 STANDARD CONDITIONS.
AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
THIS IS A SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF SUPPORT NOW.
OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO? OKAY.
WELL, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE TO COME UP. MR. CREITZ, IF YOU WOULD SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME.
MY NAME IS STEVEN CREITZ, AND I WORK FOR MITCHELL HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
THIS SEEMS LIKE A NECESSARY THING.
[LAUGHTER] SORRY. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY.
THE TENANT, DON, HAD A GUEST THAT WAS TRYING TO WALK UP THE STAIRS, SLIPPED, FELL.
THERE'S NO HANDRAIL ANYWHERE ENTERING INTO THE RESTAURANT SPACE IN THE SEALY BUILDING, AND WE THOUGHT THIS WAS SOMETHING WE NEEDED TO DO FOR SAFETY CONCERNS, SO THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TO ANYONE ELSE.
OK. HENCE THE REQUEST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INSTALLING THE HANDRAIL.
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SO THIS IS A VOTE TO APPROVE A LICENSE TO USE.DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CREITZ? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ATTACH IT? JUST TO THE GROUND? OR ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO THE GRANITE COLUMN AS WELL? IT'S GOING TO GO IN THE GROUND ON THE WEST SIDE EXIT AND THE SOUTH ENTRY, AND IT WILL GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE COLUMN [INAUDIBLE].
I THINK THERE'S A DRAWING IN THE--.
AS YOU GO FURTHER BACK, THERE'S A DRAWING OF IT.
THERE IT IS. BACK IT UP. ONE MORE.
RIGHT. SO THERE IS THE THE SOUTH, THE STRAND STREET SIDE GOING IN, IT WILL GO STRAIGHT UP AND IT COMES OUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE ABOUT NINE INCHES INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THEN IT'LL WRAP ITSELF AROUND THE COLUMN AND EXTEND TO THE WEST SIDE AND EXTEND ABOUT SEVEN AND THREE QUARTERS INCH INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.
SO IT CLEARS THE COLUMN-- YES. YES.
WELL, IT'LL BE ON THE COLUMN ON THE BACK SIDE, SO YOU WON'T--.
BUT IT'LL ACTUALLY CURVE AROUND? YES, IT CURVES AROUND--.
CONNECTS TO THE--AND THEN--. YEAH, IT CONNECTS WHERE YOU SEE THE CIRCLE.
GREAT. IT'S ALL THOSE LITTLE BITTY.
[LAUGHTER]. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CREITZ? NO? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH THIS LICENSE TO USE? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S ABOUT TIME, HUH? I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR 21LC-007.
[INAUDIBLE] ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE 22LC-007 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU. 22, I'M A YEAR OFF.
[LAUGHTER] OKAY, WE'RE READY FOR A VOTE.
[INAUDIBLE]--. DID YOU WANT TO DO VOICE VOTE OR ROLL CALL? ROLL CALL. NO, JUST A VOICE VOTE.
JUST A VOICE-- HAND. IT IS UNANIMOUS.
I'M JUST A YEAR BEHIND, THAT'S ALL.
ALL RIGHTY. 22LC-006, THIS IS AT 1516 25TH STREET.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, INCLUDING A REAR ADDITION.
THERE [INAUDIBLE] FOUR PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, ONE OF THOSE RETURNED, AND THAT ONE IN FAVOR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO ADD APPROXIMATELY 300 SQUARE FOOT REAR ADDITION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, SHOWING [INAUDIBLE] OF THE STAFF REPORT. KNOW THAT WHILE THOSE PLANS ALSO SHOW A PROPOSED REAR GARAGE, YOU'LL NOTE THAT THAT HAS BEEN X'D OUT ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED AND THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AS A SEPARATE COA.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS ONE, THIS IS JUST FOR THE REAR EDITION.
THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT INDICATES THE FOLLOWING SCOPE OF WORK AND MATERIALS AS PROPOSED IN THE STAFF REPORT, [INAUDIBLE] NOTE THAT.
PLEASE ALSO NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE.
STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THE MODIFICATIONS ARE NOT EASILY VISIBLE FROM ANY RIGHT OF WAY IN LOCATION D, NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE.
MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATIONS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
THE HOUSE IS MID-BLOCK, SO THERE'S ALMOST NO VISIBILITY OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AT ALL FROM 25TH.
THE NARRATIVE INDICATES THAT THE SIDING, TRIM, FASCIA, FRIEZE BOARDS, AND THE SKIRTING A PROPOSED ARE WOOD TO MATCH EXISTING, WHICH OF COURSE IS PREFERRED FOR NEW ADDITIONS.
BECAUSE SOME DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN EXISTING AND NEW IS RECOMMENDED, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ADDITION OF A VERTICAL TRIM BOARD BETWEEN THE EXISTING HOUSE AND THE REAR ADDITION AT THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING COMPOSITE OR TREX DECKING ON THE REAR DECK, WHICH CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS THAT DECK IS NOT GOING TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE MAIN STREET.
ALSO PROPOSING ALUMINUM CLAD WINDOWS ON THE NEW ADDITION WHICH ONCE AGAIN ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS ARE GENERALLY MORE ACCEPTABLE ON THAT LOCATION D.
NEW STAIRS AND HANDRAILS ASSOCIATED TO THE DECK ADDITION WILL BE WOOD.
STAFF HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SKIRTING BELOW THE FIRST HABITABLE FLOOR.
SO IN THE [INAUDIBLE] BASEMENT AREA.
WHILE IT IS IN LOCATION D, THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE PRETTY SPECIFIC ABOUT THE SKIRTING BEING INCLUDED AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER OF A STRUCTURE.
THE APPLICANT'S DRAWINGS SEEM TO SHOW THAT THE ADDITION WOULD NOT BE CLAD IN THAT WAY.
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STAFF RECOMMENDS THE INNER SIDE OF THE NEW ADDITION BEING CLOSED WITH A BOARD AND BATON SKIRTING TO MATCH EXISTING HOUSE AS WELL.AND THE EXISTING GARAGE DOOR, WHICH IS AT THE REAR OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, BE MOVED BACKWARD BASICALLY AS APPROPRIATE SHOULD THE APPLICANT DESIRE TO DO THAT.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS 1.A-C AND STANDARD CONDITIONS 2 THROUGH 6, AND WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS.
SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN SHOWING WHERE THIS PROPOSED ADDITION IS GOING TO BE.
AND HERE WE HAVE THE ELEVATION DRAWINGS SHOWING THE REAR, I GUESS THE LEFT/RIGHT ELEVATIONS AND THEN THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED ADDITION.
AND WE HAVE PHOTOS OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST.
AND THIS CONCLUDES THIS REPORT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS--.
I KNOW THAT WE ALWAYS GIVE MORE LEEWAY TO ADDITIONS, BUT I KNOW THAT WE ALSO TRY TO HONOR THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING AND THE BACK FACE OF THAT, IF WE CAN GO BACK . RIGHT THERE, THERE IS A WINDOW WITH AN ARCH OVER THAT, WHICH SEEMS TO BE FROM A DIFFERENT TIME THAN A 1915 BUNGALOW, WAS STAFF AWARE OF THAT? IS THAT IN CONFORMANCE? IT DIDN'T REALLY COME TO STAFF'S ATTENTION AS BEING SOMETHING WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY IT'S APPROPRIATE.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S ON THE REAR FAÇADE AND WILL NOT BE VISIBLE.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WELL, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK IF THE OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP UP, SIGN IN, AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF? ARE YOU MR. KNOWLTON? JACK KNOWLTON? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOUR STATEMENT WAS ON THE GARAGE DOOR, PULLING IT OUT.
IT'S THE WINDOW OVER THE GARAGE DOOR THAT HAS THE--.
NO, I UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE GARAGE DOOR BEING PULLED OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.
THE GARAGE DOOR WILL STAY WHERE IT IS.
I THINK THAT WAS A STATEMENT-- FROM STAFF? YES.
OKAY. I'M LIKE, OH, MY GOD, I DO NEED A VACATION.
I FIGURED WHEN I SAW THE CEILING FAN THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR SPEAKERS]. WHICH IS GREAT.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A NICE LITTLE PROJECT.
YOU HAVE A NICE LITTLE BATHROOM WHEN THIS IS DONE.
YEAH. [LAUGHTER] DOES ANYBODY--? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. KNOWLTON? OKAY.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS CASE? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON CASE 22LC-006.
IS THERE A SECOND? SHARON SECONDED.
YOU WANT TO CALL FOR VOTE? JUST MAKE SURE. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THANK YOU. PRETTY LITTLE HOUSE THERE.
IT'S BEING SHIPPED, SO THANK YOU.
WELL, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LITTLE ANYMORE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. I HAD TWO PALM TREES OUT FRONT.
YOU GO BACK TO THE FRONT PHOTO AND IT'LL SHOW ONE DEAD ONE AND ONE ALIVE.
YEAH, IT'S NOT REALLY SHOWING IT.
ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
WHEN THEY REPLACED THE WATERLINES AND THE METER, THEY KILLED ONE OF THE PALMS. THEY WERE OUT THERE WITH HATCHETS AND--.
IS THERE ANYTHING I CAN DO ABOUT THAT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR MR. TIETJENS [INAUDIBLE].
AND HERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION I'LL ADD TO THAT, I WAS THINKING ABOUT ACTUALLY MAKING THAT INTO-- [COUGH] PARDON ME, A LIGHTHOUSE AND PUTTING A CAP ON IT.
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IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD FROWN UPON? IS IT? I GUESS IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEN YOU'LL NEED TO GO TO THE CITY FOR PERMISSION.
YEAH. ANYTHING THAT YOU DO, ANY IMPROVEMENT, PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENT, REQUIRES A LICENSE TO USE IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND I'M ASSUMING THESE TWO PALM TREES WERE ALSO OUT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
CORRECT. THEY ARE STILL THERE.
SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, A PROPERTY OWNER HAS SOME CONTROL OVER THAT PORTION RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S STILL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WHEN A TREE IS DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF US DOING, YOU KNOW, UTILITY WORK OR WHAT HAVE YOU, TECHNICALLY IT'S CITY PROPERTY--.
BUT IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO REPLACE IT? THAT'S CORRECT. [LAUGHTER] NOW, THERE IS A PROCESS TO MAKE CLAIMS IN THE CITY, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE VIEWED UPON--.
DISCUSS IT WITH YOU RIGHT AFTER THE HEARING.
I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST CASE ANYWAY, SO.
OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO HANG AROUND FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES? I WILL. THANK YOU, MR. KNOWLTON. THANK Y'ALL. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT REQUESTING TO BE IN A ZOOM VERSUS PRESENT SO THAT EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ABOUT WHEN YOU MAKE THE REQUEST THAT YOU WANT TO ATTEND THE MEETING BY ZOOM VERSUS--.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TIMES IT HAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE PARTICIPATING BY ZOOM.
SO CAN WE PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? DON'T YOU GENERALLY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TALK ABOUT MEETING FORMAT.
WE'VE TAKEN THAT OFF BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR GENERAL REMINDERS ANY LONGER, BUT I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL. I GOT INFORMATION FROM JANELLE ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO I'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL FOR EVERYBODY SO THAT THEY'LL HAVE IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
OK. AND THEN I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SHARE? OH, RIGHT. WELL, WE'RE HAVE BEEN INVITED BY THE [INAUDIBLE] WHO HAVE THE HOUSE AT--.
WHAT IS THE ADDRESS, CONNIE? 523 10TH STREET.
523 10TH STREET TO TAKE A TOUR IN ADVANCE OF THE HOMES TOUR AS SOME APPRECIATION TO THE WORK THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION HAS SPENT ON THE HOUSE IN ITS RENOVATIONS.
SO I'LL SEND OUT AN INVITATION FOR THAT.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST MONDAY IN APRIL AT OUR REGULAR TIME OF 4:00.
SO LET'S SEE WHAT THAT DATE IS, THE 25TH, I THINK.
SO THE 25TH THING? OKAY, WELL, YOU'LL KNOW THAT.
OKAY. SO APRIL 25TH. SO PLEASE PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR.
THAT'LL BE A FUN OUTING. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION NEXT TIME? NO? IS THERE ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS COMMISSION? NO? OK.
THIS COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.