[1. Call Meeting to Order]
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OK, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER, THIS IS OUR WORKSHOP FOR THAT IS SO LOUD.
TUESDAY, MARCH THE 8TH, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[2. Attendance]
WE'LL TAKE ATTENDANCE BY SIGNING IN.PLEASE, PATRICK, DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON THIS WORKSHOP? SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
[4. Discussion Items]
WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM.WE'LL CONTINUE OUR REVIEW OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON'S CONCESSION REGULATIONS, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH MR. LUNSFORD DANIEL LUNSFORD.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ONGOING EFFORT, AS MOST OF US KNOW.
BUT FOR OUR GUESTS HERE, I'LL JUST RECAP THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A WHILE PER CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE TO REVISE OUR FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCES AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT QUICKER, EASIER, MORE FLEXIBLE AND, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS HIGHER QUALITY OF PRODUCT IN GENERAL. AND SO WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS.
I THINK THIS IS LIKE THE SEVENTH OR EIGHTH ONE AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
WE'LL SEE THE FINISH LINE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RIBBON ACROSS IT.
BUT THERE WERE SOME OUTSTANDING ITEMS FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING IN WHICH INCLUDED A GOOD NUMBER OF QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DISTRICT.
SO WE HAVE MR. MARTY [INAUDIBLE] HERE FROM GCHD TO HELP WITH THAT.
SO CHAIRMAN HILL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START BY TALKING TO MR. [INAUDIBLE] AND POSING THOSE QUESTIONS? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO START WITH GOING OVER OUR OUTSTANDING ITEMS FROM LAST MEETING? I THINK THAT WE HAVE SINCE WE HAVE MARSHAL STROUD WITH US, WE HAVE ONE MAJOR ITEM FOR MARSHAL STROUD.
AND IF WE WANTED TO COVER THAT WITH MARSHAL STROUD, THEN IF HE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE, HE COULD. OR IT WOULD BE GREAT IF HE COULD STAY BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE], HARD G RIGHT? YES. DO APPLY TO YOU ALSO.
BUT I KNOW YOUR TIME IS VERY VALUABLE THESE DAYS THAT YOU'RE PULLED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD WITH WITH MARTY, PLEASE.
THAT'S FINE IF YOU'RE HERE FOR US.
OK, THANK YOU, BUTCH. I APPRECIATE IT.
THEN LET'S GO AHEAD WITH MARTY, PLEASE.
OK, SO I THINK AND PLEASE FILL ME IN IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING COMMISSION.
I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE WE HAD A FEW OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS.
LET ME REFERENCE MY NOTES HERE TO REFRESH MY OWN MEMORY.
WELL, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS I THINK ABOUT HOW THE HEALTH DISTRICT HANDLES, I GUESS, INSPECTIONS FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS THEMSELVES AND FOR COMMISSARIES.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN A BIG CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ADEQUATELY ENSURING THAT THE FOOD TRUCKS WOULD OPERATE HERE, HAVE A ADEQUATE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSARY TO DISPOSE OF GREASE AND GRAY WATER AND IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, TRASH AS WELL, JUST LIKE SOLID TRASH, THAT WAS ONE ITEM.
AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM DEALT WITH PUSHCARTS.
I THINK IT'S KIND OF RELATED TO THE FIRST ITEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT MY NOTES SAY THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS.
MARTY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRASH CANS AND HOW BIG THE TRASH CANS SHOULD BE THAT THE FOOD TRUCKS SHOULD HAVE ON EACH TRUCK.
AND IT WAS JUST INNOCENT QUESTIONS ENOUGH.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD DISPOSE OF THAT TRASH ONCE THEY COLLECTED IT, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO END UP JUST STUFFED IN A CITY TRASH CAN ON THE STRAND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE REQUIRE THAT THEY DISPOSE OF IT IN A CERTAIN WAY? AND WOULD THEY HAVE TO SHOW LIKE ON A TICKET FROM A COMMISSARY, THAT THEY'VE DISPOSED OF THEIR TRASH? AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WOULD THEY JUST SHOW THAT ON THE TICKET THAT THEY DISPOSED OF THEIR TRASH WHEN THEY DISPOSED OF THEIR GRAY WATER AND THEIR GREASE AND ALL OF THAT.
AND IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION THAT MAYBE THAT ISN'T REQUIRED OF THEM, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SHOW A COMMISSARY RECEIPT.
SO CAN YOU TELL US HOW THAT HAPPENS OR DOES OR DOES NOT HAPPEN? YES. ONE OTHER THING WAS THAT OTHER PLACES, FOR INSTANCE, SAN ANTONIO, REQUIRES THAT THEY GO TO THE COMMISSARY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK AS OFTEN AS NECESSARY, AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SHOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN TO THE COMMISSARY ONCE A WEEK IF THEY'RE
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INSPECTED. LET ME TAKE THE LAST QUESTION FIRST.DOESN'T GO. OK, SO IF I AM A I DON'T KNOW IF I'M FRYING FISH, YOU KNOW, I'M A SHRIMP TRUCK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, AND AND I'M FRYING FISH AND I WERE TO BE INSPECTED BY THE CITY, THE COUNTY COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND FORGIVE ME, CORRECT ME IF I SAY CITY RATHER THAN COUNTY.
AND I AM INSPECTED BY THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY IDEA OR KNOW IF I HAD MY GREASE TRAP EMPTIED AT A COMMISSARY WITHIN THE LAST MONTH OR WEEK OR WHATEVER.
MOST OF THE COMMISSARIES ARE IN GALVESTON COUNTY, OUR EXPERIENCE, ANYWAY, IS THAT THEY USUALLY HOOK UP WITH A LOCAL RESTAURANT, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS.
[INAUDIBLE] WILL USE COMMISSARIES IN HOUSTON WHEN THAT HAPPENS [INAUDIBLE] LETTER FROM MIC] SO RATHER THAN INSPECT THAT, THEY'VE BEEN TO A COMMISSARY, YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH A COMMISSARY.
SO RATHER THAN INSPECT IT, THEY'VE BEEN TO A COMMISSARY OR NOT.
YOU INSPECT THAT. THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE GREASE TRAPS CLEANED OUT AND THE APPROPRIATE TRASH DUMPED AND THE WASTEWATER TANK DUMPED AND THAT KIND OF THING.
RIGHT, AND IF THEY HAVE TO COME IN, OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO DUMP THEIR WASTEWATER AND THERE GET THEIR TRASH DUMPED AND ALL THAT, SO IT'LL ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS, I GUESS.
SO HOW MANY OF THEM WOULD YOU SAY YOU MIGHT CALL IN TO HAVE THEIR INSPECTION RATHER THAN YOU GUYS GOING TO THEM JUST GUESSING? WE'VE GOT ABOUT 90 UNITS, AS I RECALL.
IN THE COUNTY. WE'RE GETTING MORE OF THEM ALL THE TIME.
YEAH, MAJORITY OF WE CALL IT INTO THE OFFICE BECAUSE YOU DON'T GENERALLY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SET UP, AND SOMETIMES EVEN IF WE KNOW THE FATE OF THE SET UP, THEY'RE NOT THERE WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE.
MOBILE UNITS ARE A DIFFICULT GROUP OF FOLKS.
AND TRANSIENT. [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE COME ON THROUGH MAYOR.
IT'S A WORKSHOP. COME ON THROUGH.
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I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE FOOD TRUCKS OPERATE IN FOOD TRUCK PARKS, SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SEVERAL THERE.YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHICH ONES THERE ARE, BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE FOOD TRUCKS THERE. WOULD YOU GO TO A FOOD TRUCK PARK TO INSPECT? OK. A FOOD TRUCK, PARKS ARE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T.
OK. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MARTY COMMISSIONERS? OH, YES, YES, DON.
IS THAT INSPECTION PART OF AN ANNUAL? THEY'VE GOT TO DO AN ANNUAL INSPECTION ONCE A YEAR? OR IS IT. ONCE A YEAR MINIMUM.
OKAY. SOMETIMES WE HAVE HARD CASES WHERE WE WANT TO LOOK AT THEM MORE OFTEN.
OK? AND IN THOSE CASES, IN THOSE INSTANCES, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THEY'RE COMING TO YOU.
THAT'S CORRECT. MANY TIMES WE DO [INAUDIBLE] THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHAT PEOPLE WILL FORGE LETTERS AND WHATNOT.
THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE CITY TOO, ISN'T IT? THAT'S RIGHT. WE REQUIRE COMMISSARY AGREEMENT AS WELL.
OK. PATRICK, DID WE STILL HAVE THE SIGN IN SHEET UP HERE? OK, LET'S LET COMMISSIONER EDWARDS SIGN IN TOO.
HERE WE GO. SO, LOOK, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, HAVE LIMITED STAFF.
I KNOW THESE GUYS ARE HARD TO KEEP.
I THINK OUR CONCERN IS THAT AS WE HAVE FOOD TRUCKS COME INTO THE CITY AND THEY'RE PROVIDED A COUNTY PERMIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THEY COME BY, THEY GET INSPECTED, THEY NEED TO HAVE A [INAUDIBLE], THEY NEED TO HAVE A COMMISSARY LETTER.
BUT OUR CONCERN IS IS THAT THERE'S REALLY NO ENFORCEMENT ON THE COUNTY SIDE ON THEM GOING TO THE COMMISSARY SO THEY COULD DUMP THEIR GRAY WATER DOWN THE SEWER SEWER OR THEY COULD DUMP THEIR GREASE DOWN THE SEWER.
I'M SPEAKING FOR ME, BUT MY TAKE IS THAT IS KIND OF WHAT OUR CONCERN IS.
AND TELL ME IF I'M HEADED THE WRONG DIRECTION.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE NEED TO MAYBE HAVE A LAYER, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE SOME ASSURANCES THAT ARE DONE, THAT THAT'S DONE.
SO I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY RECOLLECTION.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY SET UP, I MEAN, IT'D BE ALMOST IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU GUYS TO GO FIND THESE GUYS, LET ALONE INSPECT THEM ON SITE TO SEE IF THEY'RE DOING THEIR COMMISSARY STUFF.
UNLESS SOMEBODY CALLS IN ON THEM, THEN THEN YOU SHOW UP.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF YOU GUYS HAD THE RESOURCES THAT YOU WOULD DO MORE OF THAT, BUT IT'S.
WE'RE LIMITED IN THAT WE HAVE TO ENFORCE STATE.
WE'RE A HEALTH DISTRICT, SO WE ARE WE ARE FORCED TO ENFORCE STATE LAW STATE RULES.
YOU HAVE ALL THE LATITUDE IN THE WORLD TO ADD WHATEVER YOU WANT.
YOU'RE GOING TO. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT AT ALL.
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WE KNOW THAT. IT COULD [INAUDIBLE].AND IN A DIFFERENT. AND THEY HAD A WERE REQUIRED TO [INAUDIBLE] THEY WOULDN'T EVEN ALLOW TABLES. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED ANY SEATING.
AND HOW THEY WOULD. IF THEY GOT A CALL.
AND THEY GET THE CALLS SO I'M SURE YOU DO.
IT'S FROM THE THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT WAS OUR EXPERIENCE.
THEY DIDN'T AND WE UNDERSTOOD IT.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS HOW AND I'M JUST KIND OF WONDER WHAT YOUR INPUT IS THAT BY LIMITING SEATING THAT WE KIND OF LIMIT SOME OF THAT.
YOU DON'T GET TO BE LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT WHERE [INAUDIBLE] JACK GOES AND GETS HIS PERMIT, GETS INSPECTED SOMEWHERE.
JACKSON, THAT PUTS IT IN THE SHED TAKE THE WHEELS OFF OF IT.
AND HE'S BASICALLY SET UP A RESTAURANT.
BUT HE'S NOT LIVING BY THE RULES OF THE [INAUDIBLE].
EXACTLY. GREASE TRAPS IS A BIGGIE.
YEAH. THEY DON'T HAVE [INAUDIBLE].
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THAT OUT.
I DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT YOU ALL AS A HEALTH DISTRICT, SIMPLY ENFORCE THE STATE LAW AND DO NOT MAKE MORE RULES THAN ENFORCING THE STATE LAW.
SO THANK YOU FOR ENFORCING THAT AND THAT IF WE PUT ANOTHER LAYER ON TOP OF THAT, IT'S NOT CREATING A STATE, THEN A COUNTY THEN A CITY, YOU KNOW, LAYER.
WE'RE JUST CREATING ANOTHER LAYER ON TOP OF THE STATE LAYER.
WE'RE NOT. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE STRINGENT.
WE ALWAYS HATE TO SEE WHEN IT'S LESS STRINGENT.
WE CAN'T GET MUCH LESS THAN WHAT WE GOT.
I MEAN, NOT THAT IT'S YOUR FAULT, IT'S JUST YOU HAVE THOSE LIMITATIONS, SO IT IS IN [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GET.YES, MS. FAIRWEATHER.
AND THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND A [INAUDIBLE] MUNICIPALITY IS THAT THE TOWN IS LIMITED BY WHAT THE STATE SAYS THEY CAN DO.
A HOMEROOM MUNICIPALITY DOES WHAT IT CAN DO UNTIL THE STATE SAYS NO.
AND SO ON UNLESS I MEAN, IT'S THAT'S REALITY.
UNLESS THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE CITY OR PREEMPTED A MUNICIPALITY FROM DOING SOMETHING, THEN THE CITY PRETTY MUCH HAS THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE OR PUT IN CODES AND REGULATIONS AND WHATNOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR GARBAGE AND TRASH ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE OUR LITTER ORDINANCE AND THOSE OTHER REGULATIONS CAN DEAL WITH SOME OF THE DUMPING THAT I'M HEARING.
BUT HONESTLY, IT'S A MATTER OF THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE TO HAVE THE FOLKS OUT THERE TO CATCH THE FOLKS WHEN THEY'RE DUMPING.
AND I'M SURE MARSHALS CAN SPEAK TO THE ABILITY TO CATCH THESE FOLKS AS THEY'RE DOING IT FOR TO MONITOR THEM.
THEY HAVE THE MANPOWER FOR ALL OF THAT TO DO IT.
BUT THE COUNTY IS LIMITED BY WHAT THE STATE [INAUDIBLE].
MUNICIPALITY DOES WHAT IT CAN DO UNTIL THE STATE SAYS AHT AHT.
NOW, DANIEL, WE WANT TO MOVE ON SINCE WE HAVE MARTY HERE.
LET'S MOVE ON TO HAND PUSHED MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO COME TO A DECISION ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON THE COMMISSARIES.
AFTER WE FINISH SPEAKING WITH MARTY, WE NEED TO COME TO A DECISION ON THESE HAND PUSH MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
THEN WE NEED TO COME TO A DECISION ON THE FEES AND A DECISION ON THE GRANDFATHERING ALL IN THE NEXT HOUR.
I'M JUST SAYING, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S ROLL.
OK. SO YES, MARTY, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU AS THE HEALTH DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, PERMIT PUSH CARTS, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THEM TO GET A PERMIT? AND IS THAT BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW PUSH CARTS OR NOT? IT'S THE CURRENT REGULATIONS HERE IN GALVESTON ARE KIND OF THEY'RE KIND OF SILENT ON THE ISSUE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
AND SO THE QUESTION WAS, WELL, IS IT FUNCTIONALLY PRACTICALLY POSSIBLE FOR THERE TO BE A
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PUSHCART IN, YOU KNOW, GALVESTON COUNTY JUST BASED ON YOUR REGULATION? SO I BELIEVE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE CAME, WHERE WE ENDED UP AT THE LAST LAST WORKSHOP? YES. PUSH CARTS ARE JUST SIMPLY A SMALLER VERSION OF A MOBILE FOOD SERVICE.AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, AS LONG AS IT'S ONE OR TWO PERSON MOBILE.
WHICH VEHICLE TYPE THING? IT'S JUST ANOTHER MOBILE UNIT.
THEY'RE USUALLY LIMITED OPERATIONS.
ICE CREAM. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE.
HAVE TO HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, TWO COMPARTMENTS, SINKS AND A SEPARATE HAND-WASHING SINK AND A SOAP AND PAPER TOWELS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF? COMMISSARY, YOU MAKE YOUR HOT DOGS, YOU BUNDLE THEM UP IN THEIR TIN FOIL, YOU PUT THEM IN YOUR HOTBOX IN YOUR PUSHCART.
TAKE THAT OUT, YOU DON'T NEED A [INAUDIBLE].
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT? BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE UTENSILS. COULD BE SPREADING MUSTARD OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOME FOOD PREP OUT THERE [INAUDIBLE] SO LIKE THE SNOW CONE ON THE SEAWALL, THAT'S THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A TWO COMPARTMENT [INAUDIBLE].
OK. SO IS THAT A NEGOTIATION THAT THEY DO WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? ORDINARY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS.
THANKS. THE INFORMATION YOU NEED COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE RECOMMENDATION, YES, COMMISSIONER PENA.
SO IN THAT INSTANCE, IT WOULD BE LIKE YOU'RE SELLING PREPACKAGED FOOD IN THE INSTANCE OF THE HOT DOG PRE-MADE SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEN WRAPPED.
WOULD THAT FALL INTO THAT ICE CREAM VENDOR TYPE THAT . IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY'VE MADE, THEY'VE DONE THEIR NEGOTIATING AT THE COUNTY LEVEL? YES. OK.
YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THEY'VE DONE THEIR NEGOTIATING AND THEIR NEGOTIATING HAS STAYED AWAY FROM THE CITY LEVEL.
SO, DANIEL, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO THINK OF A WAY TO HANDLE THAT? WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT.
WHAT WOULD WHAT WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO NOW IS BASICALLY TREAT THEM LIKE ANY OTHER CONCESSION MAY WORK.
HOWEVER, THERE WAS THE ISSUE, AND I THINK WE TOUCHED UPON A MEETING OR TWO AGO THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN OPERATIONS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE TEXTILE RIGHT OF WAY, RIGHTS OF WAY, RATHER. PERIOD, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, ICE CREAM TRUCKS, WHICH ARE A DIFFERENT CATEGORY FOR HEALTH DISTRICT THAN A, YOU KNOW, HIGH RISK.
BUT ANYWAY, THEY CAN TRANSIT, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, SEAWALL, WHILE THEY CAN'T STOP ON SEAWALL AND AND SURF.
SO YOU KNOW, WHAT STAFF POINT OUT IS TO SOMETHING YOU CAN CONSIDER IS, YOU KNOW, THE PUSH CARTS ARE MOST LIKELY GOING TO WANT TO BE ON SEAWALL.
THEY MIGHT WANT TO BE DOWNTOWN TOO OR OTHER PLACES AS POSSIBLE.
BUT SEAWALL WOULD PROBABLY BE A DEFINITELY A HOTSPOT.
SO IF WE ARE CONSIDERING ALLOWING A CONCESSION TO MOVE BETWEEN A COUPLE THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, PERMISSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULE, OF COURSE. AND IF A PUSH CART IS MOVING FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER DOWN SEAWALL AND SOMEONE STOPS THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR TRANSIT SAYS, I WANT TO BUY A HOT DOG, I WANT TO BUY AN ICE CREAM OR WHATEVER.
WHAT ARE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OK, YEAH, MEET ME TWO BLOCKS DOWN AND THEN I'LL SELL. PROBABLY GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IF WE PERMIT PUSH CARTS AND IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS TO MOVE, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, PUSH CARTS AS THEY ARE APPROPRIATELY PERMITTED, DOES THAT PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE THEY MIGHT BE BREAKING A STATE LAW OPEN QUESTION FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER? YES, COMMISSIONER WALLA.
SO MARTY [INAUDIBLE] LET'S SAY THAT, I MADE TAMALES.
I'M REQUIRED TO MAKE MY TAMALES AT THE COMMISSARY.
I CAN'T MAKE THEM AT M Y HOUSE THEN PUT THEM IN MY CART, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS
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KNOW THAT'S IT, IF YOU'RE DOING, IF YOU'RE TAKING HOT DOGS AND HEAT THEM UP AND WRAPPING THEM UP, GOD, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THEM AT THE COMMISSARY, NOT AT YOUR HOUSE.SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO PUSH CARTS, COMMISSARIES, [INAUDIBLE].
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A RULE HOMECOOK OR HOME, WHAT WHERE THEY CALL THEM HOME, WHERE YOU CAN ? COTTAGE FOOD, RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD COTTAGE FOOD ALLOWS SMALL VENDORS TO MAKE FOOD IN THEIR HOMES.
IT DOES. THOSE ARE NOT POTENTIAL NON POTENTIAL [INAUDIBLE] CAKES, COOKIES, CANDY, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS CAN BE MADE IN A HOME.
HOT DOGS, TAMALES, ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES REFRIGERATION CANNOT BE MADE.
SO BREAD CAN RIGHT? MMHMM. BREAD CAN.
SO AND THE REASON WHY I ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HOME COOK IS BECAUSE I NOTICED THIS IS NOT TO BE EXPOSING ANYTHING, BUT I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT FIRST.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE AT THE FARMER'S MARKET, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, COOK AT HOME AND THEN BRING THE FOOD THERE TO THE FARMER'S MARKET.
AND WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU TO SAY NOW IS, IS THAT UNLESS IT'S A FOOD THAT'S NOT NEED TO BE REFRIGERATED, THEN IT SHOULD NOT BE MADE FROM THEIR HOME.
IT SHOULD BE MADE IN A COMMISSARY SOMEWHERE.
OK. ALL RIGHT. AND COMMISSIONERS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A REPORT THAT THEY COULD NOT HEAR THE MEETING.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER BROWN, YOU HAD A BE SURE AND USE YOUR MICS COMMISSIONERS.
OK, SORRY, DAVID DANIEL, I NEED TO ASK YOU A LITTLE FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.
YOU SAID IF THERE WAS A HOT DOG VENDOR OR SOMEBODY UP ON THE SEAWALL, ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEY WERE HAD A PUSHCART AND THEY STOPPED ON THE SIDEWALK, THEY'D BE BREAKING STATE LAW.
AND I THINK BUTCH MIGHT BE ABLE TO TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN OPERATIONS, INCLUDING KIND OF A MOBILE VENDING TYPE THING THAT IS TECHNICALLY NOT ALLOWED ON TXDOT RIGHTS OF WAY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE PARTS OF BROADWAY AND PARTS OF SEAWALL AND HARBOR SIDE, SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE IT MAY NOT BE AS MUCH OF AN ISSUE.
STROUD WOULD YOU COME SIT BY DONNA PLEASE SIR SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU? I'VE HAD NO REASON TO DO ANY RESEARCH ON THAT, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHERE THEY'RE PROHIBITED OR WHETHER OR NOT ON STATE RIGHT AWAY.
AND THEN THE DURING MARDI GRAS, YOU SEE THESE PUSHCARTS ALL THE TIME, BUT THOSE ARE UNDER A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY? [INAUDIBLE] ONES SELLING THE TRINKETS AND THE BEADS AND STUFF.
YES, THAT'S THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YEAH. SO YOUR POINT ABOUT IF THERE WAS A HOT DOG VENDOR ON THE ON THE SEAWALL SIDEWALK, HE WOULD PRACTICALLY HAVE TO STOP AND SERVE A HOT DOG AT SOME POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OR NOT AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD EXPECT IF THEY'RE UP THERE PUSHING A CART WITH FOOD AND SOMEBODY WALKS UP AND WANTS TO BUY SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE EXPECTED TO SELL TO SOMEONE AT THAT TIME.
WE'D HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THAT'S LEGAL OR NOT.
OK, COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO POTENTIALLY MAKE A DECISION ON PUSHCARTS? COMMISSIONERS, WELL, OH, WAIT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO FIND OUT IF IT'S LEGAL OR NOT TO SELL OR TO HAVE A PUSHCART STOP ON A RIGHT OF WAY OF A STATE HIGHWAY BECAUSE I THINK THE SEAWALL BOULEVARD IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT.
I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION ON THAT, BOB, IS THAT IT'S A PUSH CART IS GOING TO HAVE THE SAME LIMITATIONS AS ANY FOOD TRUCK, AND IT HAS TO HAVE THREE DESIGNATED LOCATIONS.
WELL, THAT'S A YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY SAY THAT REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
WOULD THAT BE FAIR? I THINK THE THREE DESIGNATED LOCATIONS IS A CITY IS A CITY RULE, RIGHT, ISN'T IT? YEAH, THAT'S WHY THE PROPOSED CHANGES THAT GOES BACK TO OUR EARLY MEETINGS WITH THE CONCESSIONAIRES WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THAT THEY WERE OK WITH OUR FEES RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME LIMITED ABILITY TO MOVE LOCATIONS [INAUDIBLE] THREE LOCATIONS CAME FROM.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY ALLOW THAT WITH OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
I WAS REFERRING TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE AND PUSHED FOOD VENDOR, WHETHER HE HAS THREE
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COMPARTMENTS, SINK OR WHATEVER HAVE TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.THE LOCATIONS WOULD BE ON EARTH.
YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, STANDARDS, OF COURSE, WHEN THEY DO THEIR COUNTY PERMIT.
BUT THEN WE COULD ALLOW THEM TO BE WHATEVER, RIGHT? WHEREVER. YEAH. YES, DAVID.
KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION RELATED TO THE DEMAND FOR HAND PUSHCART PERMITS.
HAVE YOU SEEN REQUESTS COMING DOWN FOR THOSE TYPES OF PERMITS? WE'VE SEEN THEM IN THE PAST.
WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THEM THERE.
THERE ARE SOME, BUT WE ACTUALLY DON'T SEPARATE OUT THE PUSHCARTS FROM THE MOBILE UNITS.
SO I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW MANY PUSHCARTS WE HAVE VERSUS OTHER MOBILE UNITS.
I JUST KNOW THAT WE GET SOME AND USUALLY THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS PRETTY QUICKLY.
OKAY. AND HAS CITY STAFF OR ANYBODY ELSE BEEN APPROACHED? AND DO WE HAVE A PENT UP DEMAND HERE WITHIN THE CITY OF GALVESTON FOR PUSHCARTS? WELL, NOT SO FAR.
WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF INQUIRIES AND NO ONE HAS EVER, YOU KNOW, DONE ONE.
BUT THAT MAY BE TIED TO OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS BECAUSE OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS REQUIRE THEM TO BE IN THE SAME SPOT ALL THE TIME AND PUSH CARTS TEND NOT TO LIKE THAT.
SO IT MAY BE TIED TO OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS.
OK, SO ONE MORE QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT THE FRUIT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE THAT CUT THE FRUIT UP? ARE THEY ALSO CAN THEY CONSIDER A PUSHCART? I'VE SEEN THOSE A LOT IN HOUSTON WHERE THE GUYS COME AROUND.
THEY HAVE THE FRUIT CUPS OR THEY PUT THE FRUIT ON THE KABOB.
DOES THAT REQUIRE A THREE COMPARTMENT SINK OR IS THAT GOING TO BE? IT COULD, YES. YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OPERATION.
IF THEY'RE CUTTING EVERYTHING OUT THERE OR IF THEY'RE CUTTING IT AT THE COMMISSARY.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON THEIR OPERATION.
AND YEAH, THEY WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT IF THEY IF THEY'VE GOT CUT FRUIT.
OK. I WAS THINKING MORE ABOUT THE THREE COMPARTMENTS [INAUDIBLE] THING.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU COULD CONSIDER FRUIT HAVING TO BE REFRIGERATED DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND IT IS, BUT IT WOULD BE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK OUR SEAWALL PEOPLE WOULD WANT IN THE SUMMERTIME.
YOU KNOW, FRESH [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, COLD FRUIT.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF PUSHCART VENDOR WAS INTERESTED IN BRINGING FRUIT AND THEY WERE CUTTING IT AT A COMMISSARY OR NOT, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT A FOOD TRUCK, A STANDARD FOOD TRUCK WOULD HAVE TO HAVE? YEAH, YEAH CUT FRUIT IS CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REFRIGERATED, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO EITHER BE PREPARED IN THE COMMISSARY OR ON A MOBILE UNIT WITH ALL THE NECESSARY HANDS [INAUDIBLE] TWO COMPARTMENTS TAKE AT A MINIMUM AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THAT TYPE OF A UNIT.
I'D LIKE TO GET INPUT FROM MARSHAL STROUD ON ONE ITEM AND THEN I'D LIKE FOR US TO GO INTO KIND OF A DECISION MAKING MODE.
AND THEN I'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT THE FEE CHARTS.
SO, DANIEL, I'D LIKE TO GET BUTCH AT THE MIC, PLEASE.
SO WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF CHANGES, BUTCH ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN THESE FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCES ON MOVING AND DIFFERENT THINGS, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE TRAILERS ACTUALLY MOVE AND WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING REQUIRING THAT SOME OF THESE TRAILERS AND TRUCKS THAT ARE IN PARKING LOTS THAT ARE ALL ALONE NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE TABLES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SOME OF THEM, AS YOU KNOW, DO SO FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, THOSE ONES THAT STAND THERE NOW THAT DO HAVE TABLES.
WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN.
GRANDFATHERING ANYTHING IN IS DIFFICULT ON YOU AND YOUR OFFICERS.
I WOULD BE STRONGLY AGAINST ANY GRANDFATHERING.
IT LEADS TO EXTREME DIFFICULTY AND ENFORCEMENT AND THOSE PEOPLE THAT COME UP THAT ARE RUNNING THE SAME TYPE OF BUSINESS AND THEY CAN'T HAVE THE SAME THING.
THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE DOING LEADS TO PROBLEMS. SO I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND NOT TO GRANDFATHER ANYONE, HOLD EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SAME REGULATIONS.
IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR ENFORCEMENT AND IT'S EQUAL ACROSS THE BOARD.
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WELL, MAYBE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT OPERATING UNDER A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PERMIT.SO THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER A PERMIT THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED TODAY WHEN THEY GO IN FOR ANOTHER PERMIT AFTER WE'VE CHANGED ALL THESE RULES, THEY'LL HAVE TO OPERATE UNDER THAT PERMIT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE PERMIT THEY OPERATE UNDER TODAY.
OFTEN TIMES SO THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING AS TO HOW WE WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD BE MOVING FROM AN ORDINANCE INTO A LAND USE.
AND DANIEL, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, SIR? THANK YOU, MARSHAL STROUD.
THAT WAS THAT SOMEHOW THAT ANSWER DID NOT SURPRISE ME ONE IOTA.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TIMETABLE MAY BE PUSHED BACK BECAUSE OF ELECTIONS AND WHATNOT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS STAFF'S IDEA, HONESTLY, FROM THE BEGINNING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE SETTLE ON, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION WANTS TO BRING INTO COUNCIL AND ONE'S COUNCIL MAKES A DECISION IDEALLY, WE WOULD GIVE FOLKS SOME NUMBER OF MONTHS TO BE INFORMED ABOUT, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY SACHSE RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THAT THESE REGULATIONS WOULD GO INTO EFFECT MAYBE JANUARY 1ST OF 2023, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THREE, FOUR SIX MONTHS TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE CURRENT CONCESSIONAIRES, WHICH STAFF CAN EASILY DO HONESTLY AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO CHANGE.
AND SO I THINK THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, COVER WHAT DONNA WAS SAYING ABOUT THAT TRANSITIONAL PERIOD. SO WE HAVE TIME TO LET THEM KNOW.
AND OF COURSE, ANY NEW APPLICANTS WOULD THEN BE ON THE SAME PAGE BECAUSE THEY'D BE FILING THE NEW REGULATIONS NEXT YEAR AS AN EXAMPLE.
WOULDN'T THAT MAKE SENSE, DANIEL, FOR IT TO ACTUALLY MAYBE TRANSITION AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEIR PERMIT TRANSITIONED.
WOULD BE JANUARY ONE? THAT'S CORRECT. WE WEREN'T PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT, SO THAT WOULD WORK REALLY WELL.
COMMISSIONERS [INAUDIBLE]? SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. SO CAN WE HAVE THE FIRST HAND RAISE ON THAT? DOES EVERYBODY AGREE THAT WOULD WORK, THE OK FIRST.
FIRST CONSENSUS OF THE DAY IS THE LAST ITEM ON THE LIST.
[INAUDIBLE], WE GOT ONE DECISION.
YES. YES, I DO HAVE ONE, THOUGH DONNA WOULD PREFER WE NOT CALL IT GRANDFATHERING.
YES, THANK YOU. BUT WE DO HAVE THEM.
CAN WE MAKE A SURE, A BIG TIME EFFORT TO CONTACT [INAUDIBLE] BUT THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN BEING A BUSINESS OWNER.
THE RULES CHANGE AND YOU'RE NOT NOTIFIED, SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THEM.
SOMEBODY HAS TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY BUT IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS OWNER, THAT'S LIKE THE WORST. SO THAT'S JUST A REQUEST OF.
WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY OF THEM.
20. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HELP THEM.
HOWEVER, WE CAN'T AND GIVING THEM KIND OF A NOTICE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT, I THINK IT'S.
SURE, AND JUST FOR SOME POINT OF REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR, NOT EVERYONE PULLS, YOU
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KNOW, THEIR RENEWAL IN THE TIME FRAME THAT THEY SHOULD, FOR WHATEVER REASON.AND YOU KNOW, STAFF EASILY CAN AND HAS SENT OUT, YOU KNOW, LETTERS AND NOTIFICATIONS TO THESE FOLKS LETTING THEM, YOU KNOW, AS A REMINDER, OH HEY, BY THE WAY, YOU NEED TO NEW AND THAT SHOWS RESULTS.
THEY DO RESPOND TO THOSE LETTERS.
YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME FOLKS THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT DOES WORK. SO YES, STAFF CAN EASILY HELP THEM GET USED TO THE NEW, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS AND HEALTH AND TRANSITION WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND ALSO, AS A REMINDER, THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THE REMAINDER OF THESE ITEMS IS THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WE WANT TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND INVITE EVERYONE WHO HAS A PERMIT PULLED IN.
THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS A PERMIT PULLED IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON TO COME TO OUR MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GET INPUT FROM THEM IN CASE THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE.
JUST TOTALLY MISSED THE MARK ON AND GET THEIR INPUT AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE BEFORE WE SEND THIS PROPOSAL TO COUNCIL.
SO RUSTY, THEY'LL HAVE THAT MEETING TO BE NOTIFIED ALSO, AND THEY'LL SEE THOSE CHANGES THEN. SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT WE WANT TO PUSH TO GET THESE DECISIONS MADE NOW.
SO. NEXT QUESTION, COMMISSIONERS, IS DO WE WANT TO TACKLE DECISIONS ON HAND, PUSH MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS? OR DO YOU ALL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSARY ARRANGEMENTS ON GRAY WATER, GREASE AND TRASH, WHICH YOU WANT TO DO FIRST? OH ALL RIGHT, LET'S TALK ABOUT COMMISSARY.
SO WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED, BUT WHAT DANIEL HAS WRITTEN FOR US IN HIS DRAFT IS HE HAS ADDED IN ON.
I GUESS WE COULD PUT IT UP THERE IT IS ON AE A1E6.
THE FOLLOWING SHALL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED COMPONENTS OF THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT . IS THAT A TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT? WHY IS IT A TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT? THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD.
IF STAFF DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE, THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE IN BOTH PLACES.
THAT WAS THE INTENT ANYWAY TO HOLD, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY CONCESSIONS AND ANNUALS TO THE SAME STANDARD AS FAR AS THE COMMISSARY REQUIREMENTS.
VALID COMMISSARY AGREEMENT, INCLUDING FOOD PREPARATION, SPACE ABILITY TO PROPERLY DISPOSE DISPOSAL OF WASTE WATER, GREASE OIL AND TRASH, AND A SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER.
A MANIFEST OF TRIPS TO THE DESIGNATED CONCESSION SIGNED BY THE COMMISSARY SHALL BE PROVIDED UPON REQUEST FROM CITY STAFF THAT TAGS YOU UP, MARSHAL.
SO A VALID COMMISSARY AGREEMENT, INCLUDING FOOD PREPARATION SPACE ABILITY TO PROPERLY SHOULD SAY, DISPOSE OF WASTE WATER, GREASE OIL AND TRASH AND SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER.
A MANIFEST OF TRIPS TO THE DESIGNATED CONCESSION SIGNED BY THE COMMISSARY SHALL BE PROVIDED UPON REQUEST FOR CITY STAFF THAT IS ON A1D9.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER UNDER A1E6 . [INAUDIBLE].
YES. SO THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS ANY KIND OF FREQUENCY, IT JUST SAYS TRIP TO THE COMMISSARY.
IT JUST SAYS YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THE LAST TIME YOU WERE THERE.
YES, THE FOLLOWING SHALL BE PROVIDED AS REQUIRED COMPONENTS OF AN ANNUAL CONCESSION PERMIT. YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU HAVE IT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GIVE A MANIFEST OF TRIPS SO WE CAN GIVE.
IF YOU WANT TO. WE CAN ADD A TIME FRAME.
WHAT TIME? I THINK EVERY 10 DAYS IS NOT.
IF THEY'VE JUST SHOWN UP, THEY WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN THERE IF THEY'D BEEN THERE FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEY HAVEN'T GONE 10 DAYS IS MORE THAN REASONABLE.
I CAN TELL YOU MY EXPERIENCE IN FORT BEND COUNTIES.
THAT DOES TWO THINGS THAT NUMBER ONE, IT PREVENTS THEM FROM BEING [INAUDIBLE] IN WHERE.
THAT'S CORRECT. THAT ENDS THAT FIXES THAT PROBLEM.
YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS DURING THE SUMMERTIME, THAT'S PROBABLY THE MINIMUM
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AMOUNT THEY SHOULD GO.WELL, YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THEY'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THEIR WASTE WATER, THEIR TRASH, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER, THEY HAVE GREASE OR OIL THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT STUFF IN OUR SEWERS.
OK, NOW LET ME PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IN TWO WEEKS.
WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO SAY, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN.
I DON'T OPEN MY DOORS FOR TWO MONTHS.
WHY DO YOU KNOW? IT'S FINE WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR DOOR, THEY NEED TO HAVE BEEN.
SO IF I'VE BEEN CLOSED, LET'S JUST HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR TWO MONTHS AND NOW I'M GOING TO OPEN FOR EASTER OR SPRING BREAK.
WELL, THEY NEED TO MAKE A TRIP TO THE COMMISSARY IN ORDER TO OPERATE DURING THAT TIME FRAME. THEY'VE GOT 10 DAYS IS REASONABLE, IN MY OPINION.
I MEAN, YOU GUYS TELL ME, BUT IF THEY SAY THAT THEY COULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED, BUT IT'S LIKE THEY NEED TO GO TO THE COMMISSARY TO GET FRESH WATER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING FRESH WATER FROM THE SPIGOT FROM THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE.
THAT'S ANOTHER. MARTY, HE CAN TELL YOU THAT'S THAT'S A NO NO.
AND I WILL TELL YOU AS A FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR, IT'S A PAIN.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO GO.
SO ARE THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU, COMMISSIONER, IS THAT AREN'T THEIR MOBILE SERVICES WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY COME OUT TO THE SITE AND TAKE CARE AND? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
NOW, TECHNICALLY THERE ARE, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY IN THIS AREA.
MOST OF THEM HOOK UP WITH A RESTAURANT.
IT'S JUST A WAY FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE STUFF THEY'RE GETTING RID OF IN THE RIGHT SPOT AND THAT IT'S A HEALTH WHEN IT'S MOBILE AND TWO IT'S A HEALTH DEAL. I MEAN, THEY COULD SIT THERE INDEFINITELY, AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE OUT THERE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.
THE BOXES OF CUPS THAT THEY SERVE ALL THAT STUFF IN IS SUPPOSED TO BE STORED AT THE COMMISSARY OR ON A RACK.
OTHERWISE, WHEN IT SITS IN THE CORNER OF THE FOOD TRUCK, YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, AND THAT'S WHY THIS IS A REQUIREMENT.
IF YOU'RE THE FOOD TRUCK GUY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE ANY OF THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY FOR THE PUBLIC HEALTH. IT'S THE THING THAT I'M OF THE OPINION WE SHOULD ENFORCE.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN AT ALL? YOU KNOW, YOU FOLKS ARE DOING FAR MORE WITH MOBILE UNITS THAN WE CAN DO AND AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING MAKES SENSE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, GO FOR IT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN SAYING, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS? YOU'RE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE SITUATIONS AND SAY, OK, I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS MAKES SENSE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN YOU'VE GOT A THOUSAND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH A BUSINESS. I'VE GOT BUSINESSES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN OPERATING IN MONTHS.
COVID AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT MOBILE UNITS THAT CALLED JUST TODAY, SAID WELL MY MOBILE UNITS BROKEN DOWN, I CAN'T BRING IT IN TO HAVE AN INSPECTION DONE WELL.
DON'T USE IT AGAIN UNTIL YOU GET IT FIXED AND BRING IT TO US, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THEM.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO KNOW BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE.
BASIS, I WOULD THINK IF I'M BUTCH AND HIS GUYS, THAT HELPS THEM, SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GUESS WHERE THEIR WASTEWATER IS WHEN THEY SHOW UP AND THEY HAVE A MANIFEST IN THEIR HAND.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT AT THE VERY LEAST, IT WOULD HELP THEM.
TO SOME DEGREE, IT'S A VERY CLEAR CUT AND PRECISE REQUIREMENT.
PLUS, THEY KNOW THEY CAN MOVE.
YEAH, WHAT? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE.
I THINK IT WAS BOB AND THEN DONNA.
SORRY? OH, IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THIS IS AN UNUSUAL REQUIREMENT.
IT'S REALLY A BEST PRACTICE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES IT DOES.
I KNOW IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY REQUIRED EVERY WEEK, ONCE A WEEK, AND YOU GOT YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT MANIFEST.
SO THIS SHOULDN'T BE UNUSUAL FOR THESE FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS IF THEY'VE OPERATED IN OTHER PLACES. DONNA, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON THAT AND I FIND SOMETIMES THAT I MAY
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HAVE TO LOOK AT THE REALITY OF THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO DO THAT AND WHEN THE REGULATION JUST SAYS TO PROVIDE A MANIFEST, I THINK THAT'S OPEN ENDED.I'VE HEARD COMMENTS THAT THEY MAY NOT NEED TO GO FROM THE HEALTH DISTRICT.
THEY MAY NOT NEED TO GO TO THE MANIFEST.
I'M SORRY TO THE COMMISSARY EVERY WEEK OR EVERY MONTH OR WHATEVER.
AND OF COURSE, THE MARSHAL CAN PIPE IN.
AND MAYBE THEY DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY THIS BUSINESS NEEDS TO GO TO THE COMMISSARY ONCE A MONTH OR ONCE EVERY WEEK.
IT SOUNDS, THOUGH, AS IF IT'S GETTING VERY SUBJECTIVE AS TO THE BUSINESS AND WHAT THIS BODY FEELS THEY NEED TO DO.
SO UNLESS THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION OR CLARITY, DOES EVERY MOBILE VENDOR NEED TO GO ONCE A WEEK, WHETHER IT'S REQUIRED OR NOT, WHETHER THEY NEED TO OR NOT? IF A MANIFEST IS SIGNED OFF, WHO'S GOING TO BE SIGNING OFF ON THAT MANIFEST, IT'S THE COMMISSARY THAT'S SIGNING ON THE MANIFEST.
IS IT THE VENDOR THAT'S SIGNING ON THE MANIFEST AND.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE.
COULD YOU TRY AGAIN? IT'S MY PHONE, MY WATCH.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY GO IN AND CHECK THE MANIFEST AND THEN UNLESS WE PUT IN DEFINITIVE TIMES OR TIME FRAMES HOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REGULATE THAT AS WELL.
SOMETIMES I THINK WE'RE GETTING.
I BELIEVE YOU'RE YOUR NAME'S BEEN INVOKED, MARSHAL STROUD, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO COME UP.
I DON'T KNOW. THE TRASH SEEMS TO BE THE TOPIC FOR ME IN SEVEN DAYS.
YOU'RE GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF TRASH.
I DON'T CARE WHAT KIND OF VENDOR YOU'RE GOING TO BE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRASH OF PLASTICS OR CARDBOARDS OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISPOSE OF.
AND SEVEN DAYS OF TRASH, IF YOU'RE OPEN IS A LOT OF TRASH.
SO SEVEN DAYS TO A COMMISSARY DOESN'T SEEM TO BE UNREASONABLE TO ME.
BUT WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE IS WHAT WE'LL LOOK AT.
IF YOU ARE DECIDED THAT WHATEVER THE DAY IS, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THEY'VE BEEN TO A COMMISSARY AND SEE IF THEY'VE BEEN IN A COMMISSARY WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME.
SURELY THEY CAN GO MORE THAN THAN THE MAXIMUM TIME.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THIS IS GOING TO BE ON A COMPLAINT BASE WILL BE ATTENDING THESE PLACES AND WE'LL BE RANDOM SPOT CHECKS.
BUT ONCE THEY DETERMINE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CHECKING, THE HONOR SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO MOST OF THEM WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.
BUT WHATEVER RULES Y'ALL PUT IN PLACE, WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO ENFORCE AS OFTEN AS WE CAN AND ENFORCE THEM EQUALLY AND FAIRLY ACROSS THE BOARD TO EVERYONE.
SO IF WE JUST ASK THEM TO SHOW A SIGN, A SIGNED RECEIPT FROM THE COMMISSARY SHOWING THAT THEY HAVE DUMP THEIR TRASH OR WHATEVER DROPPED OFF TRASH HAD THEIR DUMPED THEIR GRAY WATER AND HAD THEIR GREASE DUMPED THAT THEY'VE DONE ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE A QUANTITY OF EACH THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO SHOW PROOF THAT THEY'VE DUMPED. AND I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSARY WOULD SHOULD HAVE A CONTACT NUMBER THAT WE COULD CALL IF FOR SOME REASON WE THOUGHT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME DISCREPANCIES THERE TO BE ABLE TO CALL AND VERIFY THAT THEY ACTUALLY SHOWED UP AND THEY'VE SEEN THEM AND THEY JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT UP. AND YOU HAVE THESE XEROX COPIED COMMISSARY NOTES OUT THERE BY THE HUNDREDS. SO I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE WOULD EVER DO THAT.
BUT IF THEY EVER DID, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO VERIFY THAT THAT'S THE CASE OR THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND YOU THINK WEEKLY, MY OPINION WOULD BE WEEKLY JUST FOR THE GARBAGE ITSELF AND GRAY WATER IF THEY'RE GOING TO WASH THEIR HANDS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO COOK? I WOULD SAY THE GREASE IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE AS OFTEN.
BUT YOU HAVE GARBAGE THAT'S AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE POTABLE WATER TO DO SOMETHING WITH. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING IT? YOU'RE GETTING IT FROM YOUR FAUCET AT THE HOUSE, OR ARE YOU GETTING IT FROM THE REGULATED SOURCE? COMMISSIONER WALLA INDICATED THAT IN FORT BEND COUNTY, THEY PAINTED
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A STRIPE ON HIS TIRE AND DOWN TO THE GROUND, SO THEY KNEW IF HE HAD MOVED OR NOT.IT'S WE ALL KNOW THERE'S SOME IN TOWN THAT HAVEN'T MOVED.
WELL, WE ALL KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEEDED FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER WALLA, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THEY DID IT TO EVERYBODY.
I BELIEVE IT ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED AND EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE.
I BELIEVE THAT THOSE THAT AREN'T MOVING OR AREN'T ABLE TO MOVE, THAT THEY WILL GET THEM WHERE THEY CAN MOVE AND THEN THAT WILL SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
SO YOU THINK WEEKLY FOR GRAY WATER, TRASH AND POTABLE WATER AND AND MAYBE BIWEEKLY FOR GREASE OR.
YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH EACH ONE IS GOING TO USE FOR THE GREASE, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF A TIMELINE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT LASTS.
I'M NOT. I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE COOKING BUSINESS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG GREASE LAST, BUT WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT. I'M HEARING A NOT UH, OVER HERE.
WHAT YOU'RE COOKING AND HOW MUCH IT YOU COOK SO? I'M HEARING A NOT UH OVER HERE.
I'M HEARING WEEKLY. I WOULDN'T.
YEAH, I WOULDN'T SPECIFY A DURATION BASED UPON RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE TIME FRAME THAT THIS ONE IN SAN ANTONIO DOES.
IT SAYS IT SAYS AS NEEDED, BUT NOT LESS THAN ONCE PER CALENDAR WEEK, ALL CLEANING AND SERVICING OPERATIONS.
AND SIGNED WITH A CONTACT NUMBER.
I LIKE ADDING THAT IN DANIEL THE ADDING THE SIGNED WITH A CONTACT NUMBER.
THERE'S ALSO THE MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT IN CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITY OR SERVICING AREA SHALL MAINTAIN DOCUMENTATION OF EACH VISIT TO THE CENTRAL PREPARATION FACILITY OR SERVICING AREA AND SHALL HAVE THAT DOCUMENTATION AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION.
IS THAT TYPICAL OF COMMISSARIES THAT THEY DOCUMENT WHAT THEY'RE RECEIVING? IT'S SOME USUALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTY? WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT OURSELVES.
GALVESTON COUNTY DOESN'T REQUIRE IT THEN HOW IS THE VENDOR GOING TO GET THAT? [INAUDIBLE] PERMITTING AGREEMENT.
THEY HAVE A LETTER OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO, THEIR COMMISSARY, BUT IF THE COMMISSARY ITSELF DOESN'T DOCUMENT WHAT THEY'RE RECEIVING AND WE'RE ASKING THE VENDOR FOR THAT DOCUMENTATION, HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? SO I'LL MAKE A STAB AT IT.
MOST COMMISSARIES MAKE MONEY BY CHARGING FOR THOSE SERVICES, SO THEY WILL CHARGE YOU FOR THE WATER TO DUMP YOUR WASTE WATER, TO DO ANY NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS.
AND TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU GO TO THE COMMISSARY, YOU GET A RECEIPT FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR.
IT'S NOT UNCOMMON FOR YOUR COMMISSARY TO BE A RESTAURANT.
THE RESTAURANT OWNER CAN EASILY WRITE THEM A BILL OR WRITE THEM A TICKET THAT SAYS, HEY, WE WERE HERE ON SUCH SUCH DATE AND DID THIS WITH THEIR SOMEONE SIGNS OVER THE PHONE NUMBER. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ABUSE THAT, DEFINITELY.
THE QUANTIFICATION OF IT ALL, I GUESS [INAUDIBLE] JUST SAY WE RECEIVED EIGHT GALLONS OF WATER. AND THEY COULD.
I MEAN, IT'S WHEN IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO USE QUANTIFICATION.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT CAREFUL AND WHAT FOLKS CAN ACTUALLY RECEIVE FROM COMMISSARIES IF THEY'RE JUST GETTING A BILL THAT THEY'VE GOT WATER OR THEY DUMPED WHATEVER THAT COULD JUST BE.
WE PROBABLY NEED TO SEE WHAT THE VENDORS COME IN AND SAY THAT THEY WOULD GET.
AND IF THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED A LITTLE BIT BASED ON WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US.
THEN I WOULD SAY KEEP AN OPEN MIND ON THAT.
THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE, THAT'S GOOD WITH ME.
DETAILED RECEIPT IS FINE WITH ME, DETAILED RECEIPT IS FINE.
I'M FINE WITH DETAILED RECEIPT, SIGNED AND WITH CONTACT NUMBER.
ANYTHING THAT, AS THE MARSHAL SAID, THAT HELPS WITH KNOWING THAT IT'S VALID, STAMPED.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S VALID.
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MS. HILL. MIGHT I ADD SOME? YES, PLEASE. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS EVEN CRAZIER THAN THEY ALREADY ARE.BUT AS FAR AS REPORTING TO COMMISSARIES ARE CONCERNED THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF OPERATIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE SOME NEED OF MODIFICATION.
THERE ARE SOME PLACES THAT THEY'LL SET UP IN A SPOT AND THEY'LL CONNECT TO SEWER AND WATER AT THAT LOCATION.
SO THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GET RID OF THEIR WASTEWATER AT A COMMISSARY SOMEPLACE IF THEY'VE GOTTEN PERMISSION SOMEHOW TO CONNECT TO WATER AND SEWER WHEREVER THEY'RE SETTING UP.
SO LIKE AT A FOOD TRUCK PARK, THERE MIGHT BE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
HOWEVER, DUMPING YOUR WASTE WATER THERE WITHOUT DUMPING IT JUST STRAIGHT INTO THE CITY SEWER.
DUMPING IT JUST STRAIGHT INTO THE CITY SEWER, THAT'S A NO NO, IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO INTO A GREASE TRAP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND THAT'S WHERE IT GETS, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED COMMISSARY.
WE DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR IN OUR AND I ONLY KNOW ALL THIS BECAUSE, LOOK, I DID ALL THIS AND I DID IT THE EASY WAY.
AND SO I KNOW THE EASY WAY AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THOSE GUYS ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN.
I HAVE TO HAVE A COMMISSARY AGREEMENT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHEREVER IT IS, DANIEL.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE TWO OBSERVATIONS, I GUESS.
NUMBER ONE, OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THIS REQUIRES THESE FOOD TRUCKS TO BE, YOU KNOW, MOVABLE WITHIN HOURS OF NOTICE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO, AS COMMISSIONER WALLA SAID, HOOK UP TO THESE THINGS OR NOT.
BECAUSE IF IT DOES, AND I THINK THAT'S COVER, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT REGARDLESS.
NUMBER TWO, I'M GOING TO PUT MY COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI HAT ON AND JUST SAY, KISS, YOU KNOW, AS A REMINDER. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
OK, I'M GOING TO PUT MY JEFFREY HILL WE HAVE 25 MINUTES LEFT HAT ON AND WE'VE GOT SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE HAVE DO WE HAVE ENOUGH DANIEL FOR US TO GET THIS COMMISSARY PART WRITTEN? I THINK SO.
LET ME JUST KIND OF REVISIT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT STAFF UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. OK, SO COMMISSIONERS, LET'S LISTEN IN SO THAT WE CAN RAISE OUR HANDS, MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, COMMISSIONER BROWN'S MENTION OF SAN ANTONIO'S WORDING OF, YOU KNOW, AS NEEDED OR AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK, WHEREVER IT IS, WE CAN GET THAT ORDINANCE AND COPY THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
AND I THINK THAT MARSHAL STROUD HAD MENTIONED THAT WE MAYBE WE JUST REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE THAT MANIFEST ON HAND AT ALL TIMES.
SO IF THEY DO A SPOT CHECK IN THEORY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD EASILY SEE MARSHAL COULD EASILY SAY THAT, OH, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO YOUR COMMISSARY IN THREE WEEKS, WHAT'S UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, OR WHATEVER? SO IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHERE WE'RE KIND OF HEADING AS A KIND OF A STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES? COMMISSIONERS, YES.
WHOOPS. I JUST WONDER, YES, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, YES.
BUT I ALSO WONDER WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF NOT HAVING THAT AVAILABLE OR NOT HAVING BEEN TO THE COMMISSARY IN THE LAST WEEK? REGULATION. IF THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ORDINANCE VIOLATION, THERE'D BE A CLASS [INAUDIBLE] VIOLATION COULD BE SIGHTED ON [INAUDIBLE] IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY LAW BY ORDINANCE, THEN THEY COULD BE CITED FOR FAILURE TO HAVE THE THE DOCUMENTS ON SCENE.
THE FENCE TO THAT WOULD BE BRING THOSE TO THE COURT AND PROVE THAT YOU HAD THEM, BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THEM AT THE TIME WE WERE THERE.
ALL RIGHT. SO CONSENSUS COMMISSIONERS, DID WE GET IT RIGHT? RAISE YOUR HANDS IF YOU AGREE.
WE'RE ON HAND PUSH MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO, BOB, I THINK YOU'RE THE ONE WHO HAS A HICCUP ON HAND, PUSH MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS AND NOT NOT TO PRESSURE THE COMMISSION.
BUT I THINK THIS IS OUR LAST TOPIC, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THESE FEES FEES NEXT TO LAST CLOSE. ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY REALLY HANG UP I HAD WAS, I GUESS, LOCATIONS OF WHERE THESE THINGS ARE ALLOWED AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LEGAL TO HAVE ONE ON A STATE RIGHT OF WAY, IN PARTICULAR THE SEAWALL SIDEWALK.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE CONFIGURATION OF THESE THINGS, WE DETERMINED THAT THAT WOULD BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO THOSE THAT PART OF IT, I THINK, IS GOOD.
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IT'S JUST THE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY BE ALLOWED IS WHAT I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON.WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THE TWO MOST STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI HEAD ON HERE WOULD BE TO EITHER, YOU KNOW, KEEP OUR CURRENT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF STAFF DETERMINATION THAT THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED EXACTLY LIKE CONCESSIONS.
AND WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE IT SAID THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS A LITTLE BIT SILENT ON IT OR PROHIBIT THEM OUTRIGHT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, I DON'T THINK.
NO, THEY WILL MOST CERTAINLY TRANSIT ALONG THE SIDEWALK OR IN SOME PARKS LIKE [INAUDIBLE] PARKER HENLEY GREEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH. THEY CAN'T BE ON THE IF THEY CAN'T BE ON THE BEACH BECAUSE THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE PARK BOARD, ISN'T IT RIGHT? IF THEY WANT IT TO BE ON THE ON ON THE BEACH ITSELF? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GALVESTON, IT WOULDN'T BE GALVESTON.
IF ANYTHING, IT WAS SIMPLE IN FRONT OF THE SEAWALL.
THAT'S THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
BEYOND THAT, IT DEFAULTS TO OUR TYPICAL REGULATIONS, WHICH WOULD GO BY A BASE ZONING.
AND MOST OF THE BEACHES, YOU KNOW, PAST THE END OF THE SEAWALL ARE ZONED R1 AND WOULD NOT ALLOW A CONCESSION OF ANY SORT.
REGARDLESS OF, YOU KNOW, BASE ZONING AND THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT.
SO THE PARK BOARD, IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE THESE PUSHCARTS, WOULD CONFORM TO WHATEVER COMES OUT IN THIS ORDINANCE. YEAH, THE PARK BOARDS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE OR HOW THEY CAME TO BE. BUT YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BEEN THIS WAY FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE PARK BOARD DOES THEIR OWN THING.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO ALLOW A PUSHCART, THEY THEORETICALLY COULD.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT [INAUDIBLE] REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S REALLY IN OUR SCOPE OF REVIEW AT THIS TIME.
SO THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO CONFORM WITH WHATEVER HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONFIGURATION OF THE, I WOULD PRESUME.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARK BOARD TRUSTEE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ARE.
OKAY. SO, DANIEL, WE ARE JUST GOING TO LET A HAND PUSHED CART CONTINUED TO SURVIVE ALONG WITH LIKE WITH WHERE IT IS NOW AND NOT BRING IT IN AS PART OF THE OBVIOUSLY AS PART OF THE LAND USE.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO LET IT CONTINUE TO LIVE WHERE IT IS.
WELL, IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE THOUGHT.
THE THOUGHT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY WE'RE SILENT ON THE ISSUE AND STAFF STAFF HAS MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WOULD PERMIT THEM JUST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, CONCESSION WITH A MOTOR OR TRAILER AND, YOU KNOW, WITH WHEELS AND WHATEVER, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY DIFFERENT AS LONG AS THEY HAD ALL THE APPROPRIATE REQUIREMENTS FROM, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD CHANGE, AND IT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THIS SAME PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] REVISION.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM IN SOME MANNER OR NOT? AND IT COULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE VERY FEW, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS MAY HAVE A PART OF THIS, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN MANY REQUESTS FOR PUSH CARTS OR QUESTIONS, MAYBE ONE A YEAR.
SO THIS MAY BE A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM? OK, SO HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY ON HAND PUSH CARDS.
IT'S NOT PART OF THIS LDR PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THIS.
WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THE LAND USE HAND.
PUSH CARTS OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE LAND USE, IT WOULD BE PART OF SOMETHING ELSE. RIGHT.
I BELIEVE IN, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT COULD.
IT COULD BE PART OF THIS. IF YOU WANT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY IN IN THE CITY CODE BY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, REALLY, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER SINCE IT PROBABLY BE BETTER TO ADDRESS ADDRESS THIS AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'LL GET ANOTHER CHANCE TO.
I'D JUST LIKE THROW OUT THERE THAT I THINK THAT HANDCARTS OFFERING FOOD SERVICE ITEMS IS A BAD IDEA. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A SHOW OF HANDS OF THOSE THAT SAY, LET'S JUST PROHIBIT IT. I CAN.
I'M GOING TO RAISE MY HAND AND AGREE WITH RUSTY WALLA, CAN WE TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND PRESERVE IT FOR POSTERITY SAKE? ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? OK, WELL, WE'VE GOT ONE TWO THREE FOUR ON THAT, SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS.
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THAT'S FOUR. THAT'S THE HAND PUSH CARD.OK, HAND PUSH MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO WE'RE GOING TO JUST KIND OF SHELVE THAT FOR NOW.
ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FEE CHART AS I LIVE AND BREATHE.
DO WE SHELVE IT OR DO WE SAY NO TO IT? WE SAID NO TO IT.
YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THOSE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THOSE RIGHT NOW.
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO CAN BRING THAT BACK LATER IF YOU NEED TO ICE CREAMS DIFFERENT.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOW ON THE LAST PAGE HERE.
AND MARSHAL STROUD, MARTY, Y'ALL DON'T NEED TO BE HERE FOR THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.
I CANNOT THANK THE TWO OF YOU ENOUGH.
YOUR HELP HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY INVALUABLE AND I HONESTLY CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH.
SO DANIEL, JUST WHIP THIS TOGETHER, Y'ALL FOR US TO USE IN THIS.
SO THE BASS CONCESSION FEE THAT YOU SEE OVER ON THE LEFT, THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS IS THE STAND ALONE FOOD TRUCK FEE FOR ONE TRUCK THAT CAN THEN SIT IN UP TO THREE LOCATIONS.
OK, THEN IF YOU GO OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S FOR A SINGLE FOOD TRUCK.
IF IT GOES TO A FOOD TRUCK PARK, IF IT WANTS TO BE AT ONE FOOD TRUCK PARK, IT WOULD BE THREE SEVENTY FIVE.
IF IT WANTS TO BE AT TWO FOOD TRUCK PARKS, IT WOULD BE TWO FIFTY.
IF IT WANTS TO BE AT THREE FOOD TRUCK PARKS, IT WOULD BE ONE TWENTY FIVE.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE INCENTIVIZING FOR A TRUCK TO USE FOOD TRUCK.
THE FOOD TRUCK PARK SITUATION.
OK, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THAT.
SO THAT WAS WHERE WE DECIDED THAT WE COULD USE OUR CARROT STICK ANALOGY.
OK. NOW DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF THOSE FEES WITH THOSE WHATEVER? YES. COMMISSIONER FINKLEA, IS THIS A PER PARK FEE? SO, OH, GO AHEAD, DANIEL.
YEAH, THE IDEA IS THAT THEY WOULD GET JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE THAT THEY WOULD GET ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS DISCOUNT FOR EVERY DESIGNATED APPROVED PARK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUIRING A CO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR PARKS.
BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO DO THAT BECAUSE AS AS WAS MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF OPTIONS TO INCENTIVIZE IT AT THE CITY LEVEL.
GIVING THEM A DISCOUNT ON THEIR FEES IF THEY HAVE PARKS IN THEIR ROTATION WOULD BE ALMOST THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD.
WE COULD DO IT. THE MORE PLACES I GO, THE LESS I PAY.
SO SO IF I IF I GO THREE PLACES, IF I SAY I'M GOING TO BE AT THREE PARKS, I ONLY PAY ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS.
IN TOTAL FOR TO GO TO ALL THREE PARKS? GOT IT. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S OUR THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE INCENTIVIZING NOW.
HERE'S THE CATCH, THOUGH, Y'ALL.
IF I COME IN ON JANUARY 1ST OR DECEMBER 31ST OR WHATEVER AND I ONLY KNOW OF TWO PARKS THAT I'M GOING TO GO TO.
AND THEN ON APRIL 1ST, THIS GREAT NEW FOOD TRUCK PARK OPENS UP AND I WANT TO GO TO THAT GREAT NEW FOOD TRUCK PARK.
AND I COME IN AND I TELL DANIEL, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO GO TO THIS GREAT NEW FOOD TRUCK PARK, SO I WANT TO.
I'VE PAID YOU 250 FOR THE YEAR AND NOW I'M GOING TO GO TO THE THIRD PARK AND SO I WANT MY $125 DISCOUNT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DECIDED LAST TIME.
WE'RE NOT GIVING DISCOUNTS, OK? YOU'LL GET YOUR ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS DISCOUNT NEXT YEAR.
YOU'VE PAID YOU'LL GET YOUR DISCOUNT NEXT YEAR, BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANYMORE. NO, HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING.
HE'LL GET HIS GET HIS DISCOUNT NEXT YEAR.
HE'LL GET A DISCOUNT NEXT YEAR.
SO THIS IS THE WAY WE ARE INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO GO TO PARKS.
OK, SO NOW WE GET INTO SO LET'S JUST LOOK AT THIS.
LET'S. LOOK AT THE BASE ANNUAL FEE FOR A STAND ALONE.
IS EVERYBODY FINE WITH USING $500 AS OUR BASE ANNUAL FEE FOR STAND ALONE? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT, WE'VE GOT YOU UNANIMOUS DANIEL ON THAT.
ARE WE IN AGREEMENT ON THE FEE STRUCTURE FOR THE FOOD, THE FOOD PARK FEE STRUCTURE?
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RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE OK WITH THAT UNANIMOUS DANIEL.ALL RIGHT, NOW WE GET INTO THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION FEE STRUCTURE.
YES. IS THERE A FEE FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK OPERATOR? TECHNICALLY, YES, BUT IT'S ONLY A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
SO NOW WE GET INTO A PLACE WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF A DISCUSSION, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME FOR A DISCUSSION, SO I'M GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING.
THIS IS THESE ARE THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION FEES, WHICH I THINK ARE TOO LOW.
SO IF I COME IN AND I JUST WANT TO OPERATE HERE IN GALVESTON OUTSIDE OF AN EVENT AREA, BUT DURING JUST SAY, SPECIAL EVENTS, THE PROPOSAL HERE IS THAT I WOULD PAY $25 A DAY.
AND WHAT DANIEL HAS TRIED TO SHOW HERE AS AN EXAMPLE, IS IF I JUST CAME IN AND OPERATED FOR THE BIG SPECIALTY DAYS MARDI GRAS LONE STAR RALLY, DICKENS ON THE STRAND, I WOULD PAY $325, WHICH IS GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THE ANNUAL, YOU KNOW, FEE.
ALL RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, GETTING REALLY CLOSE TO THE ANNUAL OVERALL FEE. SO WHY NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND PAY THE ANNUAL FEE AND COME BACK, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME YOU WANT TO? THEN YOU ADD IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME, THE ENFORCEMENT TIME, BLAH BLAH BLAH. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD.
AND BASED ON WHAT THE RESEARCH DANIEL HAS DONE WITH OTHER CITIES, SO ON AND SO FORTH, I THINK WE SHOULD BUMP THAT UP TO 40 DOLLARS A DAY.
I THINK IT'S REASONABLE, ESPECIALLY BASED ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME AND THE ENFORCEMENT TIME THAT WE ARE SPENDING ON THESE TEMPORARY TRUCKS THAT JUST COME IN AND THEY REQUIRE MORE TIME FROM BOTH AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT AND DANIEL'S TIME.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD BUMP UP EITHER THAT WE SHOULD BUMP UP THE LATE FEE BECAUSE THEY STRAGGLE IN HERE, YOU KNOW, OH GOSH, YOU KNOW, I FORGOT TO GET MY PERMIT IN TO THE LATE FEE BEING ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AND AND MAKE IT IF THEY'RE NOT SUBMITTED WITHIN EITHER 10 BUSINESS DAYS OF THE EVENT OR 14 DAYS OF THE EVENT.
I AGREE. TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS DOESN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING.
SO MY PROPOSAL THEN WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT UP IS MY PROPOSAL IS $40 A DAY, ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOR THE LATE FEE AND THE ALL LIKE 10 BUSINESS DAYS OF THE EVENT OR 14 DAYS AHEAD OF THE EVENT? 10 BUSINESS DAYS OR 14 DAYS TOTAL? THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE CALL.
IT DEPENDS. WHICH DO YOU WANT? DANIEL, YOU KNOW, I HONESTLY THINK THAT STAFF ARE PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW IF IT REALLY MATTERS, BUT I THINK 10 BUSINESS DAYS WOULD PROBABLY BE PREFERABLE.
ALL RIGHT. SO I'M PROPOSING 40 DOLLARS FOR THE CONCESSION FEE.
ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS LATE FEE IF SUBMITTED WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS OF THE EVENT, IF YOU MADE IT FORTY FIVE DOLLARS.
UH-HUH. IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO GET A LICENSE.
I AND WHAT DO WE THINK ABOUT THAT COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION? I ALWAYS KIND OF I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THE $500 WAS A LOT.
AND I THINK IF WE WANT TO HAVE UNIQUE AND A VARIETY OF FOOD TRUCKS IN THE ISLAND, WE SHOULD BE HOSPITABLE.
I'LL USE THE WORD HOSPITABLE AS FAR AS THE COST BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE BRING TRAFFIC TO THE ISLAND AS WELL. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE A FOOD SCENE, I MEAN, YOU GO TO MIAMI AND PLACES LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH, THEY WANT TO GO TO THE FOOD TRUCK SCENE. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCREASE IT ANYMORE.
I REALLY THINK THE $40 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.
THAT'S FINE. I JUST IT WAS JUST THE OFFER BECAUSE IF YOU DID IT FOR FORTY FIVE DOLLARS, THEY WOULD PAY FOUR HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE DOLLARS IF THEY DID ALL OF THAT.
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I MEAN, FIVE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DOLLARS, SO IT SHOULD BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO DO IT THAT WAY. JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT I'M GOOD WITH THE 40.SO SHOW OF HANDS ON WHO CAN WHO WANTS TO GO WITH THE.
CLARIFICATION? SO WE'RE KEEPING THE MAX AT 14 DAYS.
THAT WOULD BE THE MAX PER STATE LAW.
I BELIEVE STATE LAW ONLY CAPS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
IT ISN'T NECESSARILY CAPPED THE MINIMUM.
SO WOULD WE CAP THE THE MAXIMUM FEE TO BE EQUAL TO THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS? IN OTHER WORDS, BECAUSE IF I DID $40 A DAY AND I WAS HERE 14 DAYS, THAT'S FIVE HUNDRED AND SIXTY DOLLARS. YEAH, SO IT SHOULD BE CAPPED AT THE MAX OF FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHICH WOULD BE EQUAL TO AN ANNUAL PERMIT.
OK, IF IF I MAY, SOME OF THESE FOLKS DON'T NECESSARILY PUT IN ALL OF THEIR, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY PUT IN ALL OF THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR ALL EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WANT TO BE SOME SOMEWHERE HERE IN GALVESTON UNTIL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST MINUTE, WHICH IS WHERE THAT LATE FEE COMES IN HANDY.
SO STAFF MAY NOT BE ABLE TO EASILY TELL IF THEY'VE HIT FIVE HUNDRED OR NOT.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY'RE THAT MAX IS AN ANNUAL MAX IS MAYBE NOT EASILY ADMINISTERED? THAT'S THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
AND ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS EXAMPLE THAT I GAVE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
SOME OF THESE FOLKS MAY NOT BE HERE, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THESE EVENTS, SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE HERE FOR CHILI FEST OR SHRIMP FEST OR ANY NUMBER OF SMALLER EVENTS THAT WE DO HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND NONE OF THESE EVENTS LASTS 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
I THINK THE LONGEST ONE WE HAVE IS LONE STAR.
IT'S FOUR DAYS. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A NUMBER OF OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS, CORRECT? OK. I'M SORRY. OH.
OK, THANK YOU. SO NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS UNDERSTOOD, THEN I WOULD MAKE IT.
I THINK I WOULD CAP THAT OUT LESS.
DAVID, I THINK I WOULDN'T DO 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
HOW DO YOU ALL HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? I THINK I WOULD GO WITH SEVEN CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
IF I MAY, IF WE HAVE A STATE LAW THAT PREVENTS IT FROM DOING MORE THAN 14.
AND 14 IS THE MAX, WE CAN JUST KIND OF ELIMINATE [INAUDIBLE] AN ADDITIONAL RULE IN THERE AND JUST LET IT BE THE 14 DAY MAX.
AND IN THAT WAY, YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH THAT, NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT.
THE THE CONSECUTIVE DAY PORTION, WE'RE SAYING THERE'S NO EXAMPLE CURRENTLY THAT WE USE THAT WE HAVE NO EVENT, THAT WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
SO A PERSON WHO PAYS THE ANNUAL CONCESSION FEE, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY DAYS THEY COME DOWN HERE TO DO CONCESSIONS AS LONG AS THEY DON'T EXCEED 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
WELL, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS FOR TEMPORARY.
THE ANNUALS WOULD BE THE ANNUAL OK.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE NOW SAYING.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
FORTY DOLLARS A DAY WITH NO MAXIMUM AMOUNT.
SEVEN MAXIMUM CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
A ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS LATE FEE IF SUBMITTED WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT, EVERYBODY? SEVEN. MAX CONSECUTIVE? YES, THIS IS FOR THE TEMPORARY OR TEMPORARY.
THE MARDI GRAS IS ON TWO WEEKENDS, IF THEY JUST WANTED TO STAY OUT THERE FROM THE FIRST WEEKEND. THAT FRIDAY THROUGH THE FOLLOWING WEEKEND, THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN SEVEN DAYS.
WELL, IF THEY STAY THE FIRST WEEKEND, THE SECOND WEEKEND AND THROUGH FAT TUESDAY, THAT'S MORE THAN 14 DAYS, THAT'S MORE THAN 14.
AND DO WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT ALREADY? I CAN TELL YOU. BUT IF STATE LAW ALREADY HAS A 14 DAY.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WON'T ADDRESS THE DAYS.
WE'LL BE SILENT ON THE DAYS, WHICH IS WHAT STAN WANTED TO DO ANYWAY.
CORRECT? WE'LL BE SILENT ON THE DAYS.
WE'RE AT OUR AT THE WE'RE BUMPING UP AGAINST IT.
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ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS LATE FEE.IF SUBMITTED WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
WE HAVE DECISIONS ON EVERYTHING, YOUNG MAN.
AWESOME. HONESTLY, I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU ALL, AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORT ON THIS, DANIEL.
ALL RIGHT. SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE WITH SOME OF THE VENDORS.
IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIRMAN HILL, IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
DO YOU THINK WE'RE READY? I THINK SO. I THINK WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND ADDRESS THESE FEW PROBLEMS AND GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. OKAY, THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE TIME TO GET NOTIFICATION OUT TO THEM? YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S NECESSARILY A LIMIT OR REQUIREMENT ON THE NOTIFICATIONS FOR THIS SORT OF THING, BUT I THINK WE OF DOUBLE CHECK THAT AND WE'LL BUMP IT BACK IF WE NEED TO. OK, THANK YOU, SIR, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT COMMISSIONERS, AS DANIEL INDICATED AND AS I THINK YOU'LL HEARD AT OUR LAST WORKSHOP, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR APRIL MEETING. THE COUNCIL WILL HEAR THIS AT THEIR MAY MEETING.
OK, SO WE'RE NOT IN A BIG RUSH.
WE ARE ADJOURNED FOR OUR WORKSHOP.
WE WILL RECONVENE FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING VERY SHORTLY.
THANK YOU VERY KINDLY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.