GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, AND GOOD MORNING THOSE THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE THIS MORNING AND GOOD
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MORNING TO EVERYONE THAT MAY BE LISTENING IN THE COMMUNITY TO OUR WORKSHOP THIS MORNING.GLAD TO HAVE YOU. I WOULD REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE KIND OF MAKING SURE OUR AUDIO IS CORRECT FOR THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING.
SO COUNCIL, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND WHEN WE VISIT ON OUR ITEMS HERE, IF WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT WE SPEAK UP AND VERY CLEAR, MAKE SURE THAT GETS TO THE COMMUNITY PROPERLY.
I'M OFFICIALLY CALLING THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF GALVESTON TO ORDER FOR FEBRUARY 24, 2022.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, BUT WE COULD WE A COURT ROLL CALL, PLEASE JANELLE.
PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUSTER.
HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI.
VERY GOOD. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE SEATED HERE THIS MORNING.
WE HAVE DISCUSSION ITEMS FOR CLARIFICATION OF ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA AND I'M GOING
[3.A. Clarification Of Consent And Regular City Council Agenda Items - This Is An Opportunity For City Council To Ask Questions Of Staff On Consent And Regular Agenda Items (20 Minutes)]
TO GO AROUND.WILLIAM, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING, SIR? OH YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. BUT BRIAN JUST 10A.
LOOKING AT THE ONE WAY IN MY DISTRICT WHERE I LIKE IT, I'M ALL FOR IT, I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THAT SPOT. SO IF I'M COMING OFF AS THE ENTRANCE, THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE FLOW, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT ON THAT ROB RIGHT? YEAH, YES.
OK. ROBB AND I WENT THROUGH THIS YESTERDAY AND THE RESIDENTS HAVE REQUESTED IT.
SO IS THAT A STANDARD PROCESS TO GET A ONE WAY LIKE DONE PETITION THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? BUT WE LOOK AT IT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE AND LOOK AT IT, WE STUDY THE WHOLE THING TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE SAFEST WAY.
OF COURSE, WE'LL WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS, I GUESS, TO DETERMINE WHICH WAY IS BEST.
SO WE LOOK AT TO TRY AND GET PEOPLE EITHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS, BASED ON STREET CLASSIFICATION AND ALSO WE LOOK AT ACCIDENTS AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER FACTORS WE'RE TALKING PD AND FIRE MAKE SURE THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH IT.
WE ALSO GET SANITATION INVOLVED AS WELL AS MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ACHIEVES [INAUDIBLE]. SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE LOOK AT THAN JUST HERE'S A PETITION WE WANT TO SEE THIS HAPPEN, BUT THAT DOES FACTOR INTO.
AND THE ONLY THING THAT ADDED INTO IT WOULD BE IF IT HAPPENED TO INVOLVE TRANSIT, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INVOLVED, TOO.
SO THE FIRST PART OF THE INITIATION IS JUST GOT TO GET A PETITION GOING WITH THE [INAUDIBLE]. JUST LET US KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM.
OK. OK, NOW CAN COUNT, LET'S SAY I GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING AND HEY, WE REALLY WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A ONE WAY, DO THEY? I JUST COME TO Y'ALL OR? JUST SAY, HEY, IT CAME UP THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE WEREN'T INTERESTED IN, AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE.
AND I BELIEVE THIS IS IN THE SAME CONVERSATION.
SO I GET A LOT OF REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE URBAN CORE WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST HOW WE HAVE OUR SYSTEM SET UP FOR IT AND WHATNOT FOR STOP SIGNS, RESIDENTIAL PARKING.
IS THAT THE SAME PROCESS? IT'S PRETTY MUCH. RESIDENTIAL PARKING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT PROCESS BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE MARSHAL AND PLANNING A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THAT.
BUT IN TERMS OF STOP SIGNS AND STUFF, THOSE INVOLVE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
AND THERE'S AN ISSUE WHERE SOMEBODY, A LOT OF PEOPLE, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE NEVER USE STOP SIGNS AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR SPEED CONTROL.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THAT DOES NOT WORK.
IT CAUSES MORE ACCIDENTS, BUT IT'S THE FIRST THING THAT MOST PEOPLE GRAVITATE TO, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
BUT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE I PERSONALLY HAVE AND I'M GOING TO TALK TO ROBB ABOUT IT, I THINK AT FIFTY SEVENTH AND [INAUDIBLE] SHOULD BE A THREE-WAY STOP, IN MY MIND, IT PROBABLY NEVER TEST OUT CORRECTLY.
BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ROBB SAYS IT DOESN'T TEST OUT SOMETIMES, BUT SOMETIMES ROBB JUST SITTING AT THE STOP SIGN WITH ME WHILE HE WAIT FOR EVERYBODY TO GET THROUGH THERE.
YEAH, OUR STUDIES ARE DONE IN A MOMENT IN TIME.
SO IF WE DON'T OBSERVE THOSE CONDITIONS AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THEN IT WON'T TRANSLATE INTO ONE STUDY THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRIGGERS ARE MISSED.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M LIKE GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE WANT THAT STOP SIGN AT RANDOM [INAUDIBLE].
YOU KNOW, WE DID A STUDY ON A RANDOM DAY OF FEBRUARY AT THE SAME AS JULY 4TH AND.
WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO FIGURE WE ASK THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY WHEN THEY REQUESTED, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH THIS? AND THEN WE'LL ASK THEM, IS THIS A PROBLEM AT FIVE P.M.? IS THIS A PROBLEM AT EIGHT A.M.? IS IT A PROBLEM WHEN SCHOOL LETS OUT? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE DO THE STUDY TO SEE, AND WE TRY TO DO IT.
AND IT'S WE'VE GOTTEN PRETTY GOOD AT WORKING THE STUDIES TO WHERE WE CAPTURE WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND WE ALSO HAVE SOME DIGITIZED WAYS OF CATCHING, SPEEDING, AND THINGS LIKE THAT NOW SO WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH IT.
ALL RIGHT. DAVID, YOU HAD A PLAY.
YES. WITH OUR STUDY, WHEN WE DO THE TRAFFIC HOUSE, WE TRY TO DO A FULL WEEK SO WE CAN NOT JUST GET THAT ONE MOMENT, BUT WE CAN SEE WHAT A TREND IS GOING TO BE STARTING TO ESTABLISH MORE.
WELL, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A STOP SIGN IN [INAUDIBLE] PARK ROAD FOR 19 YEARS, BUT THIS THIS [INAUDIBLE] A HALF THAT I DROVE THAT, THAT'S A TINY LITTLE STREET.
IT'S VERY NARROW. IT'S TWENTY-FOUR FEET WIDE.
WHAT, YEAH, IT'S VERY NARROW, IT'S GOT THAT CURVE THE END OF IT, THAT IT MAKES SENSE.
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IT'S NOT. WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE JUST PICKING SOME BLOCK AT RANDOM.LET'S MAKE THAT ONE WAY. YEAH, NO.
THERE'S GOT TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF CRITERIA THAT GOES INTO IT.
I MEAN, THIS IS A NARROW STREET.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME NUANCES TO GALVESTON THAT JUST LEND ITSELF TO THESE AND THERE'S OTHER STREETS THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S THEY'RE PROBABLY NEVER GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] IT, BUT WE LOOK AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE.
YES, MA'AM. I THINK YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION WAS THE STUDY.
HOW LONG DO YOU STUDY THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN OR YOU SAID A WEEK? SO THE ACTUAL DATA QUESTION FOR THE STUDY STOP IS A WEEK.
WHEN WE LOOK AT ACCIDENT HISTORY, WE TYPICALLY GO THREE TO FIVE YEARS BACK AND LOOK AT AN OVERALL KIND OF TREND FOR THAT FULL PERIOD.
I CAN'T GET FIVE YEARS WORTH OF TRAFFIC IN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE IT, BUT WE DO LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE] FOR ONE WEEK PERIODS.
THAT'S VERY GOOD. YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER?.
OH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS, [INAUDIBLE].
NO, PRETTY GOOD. LIGHT IT AGENDA.
I KNOW, AND I'M JUST SAYING OUR MEETING WILL BE EFFICIENT.
I'M NOT GUESSING A TIME BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS WRONG.
DON'T BE UP THERE. I'VE ALREADY PREDICTED TO SHANE DOWNSTAIRS AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE WRONG. SHANE THE KEEPER.
HE'S KIND OF LIKE THE BOOKIE ON THIS.
HE KEEPS THE NUMBERS. JOHN PAUL, ANYTHING? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
11G, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A STORM WATER MASTER PLAN STUDY, AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TWO YEARS, BASICALLY BRANDON? YES. YEAH.
THE DELIVERABLE THE INITIAL DELIVERABLES DO IN 2023 THAT HAS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECTS THAT ARE THERE.
AND THEN ON THE LATTER HALF OF IT, TO MAKE UP THE BALANCE OF ABOUT THAT SIX MONTHS IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE FEE STRUCTURE AND HOW IT'S ASSESSED, HOW IT'S BUILT INTO OUR CURRENT BILLING SYSTEM.
OK. AND THEN AT THE END OF THAT STUDY, WE WILL GET SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SYSTEM AND THEN A BOND WOULD GO OUT AFTER THAT, POSSIBLY NEED IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL DESIRES.
WE'LL HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF LOW COST, HIGH YIELD KIND OF PROJECTS AND KIND OF RECOMMEND AT THAT POINT AND THEN AND PRESENTS TO THE COUNCIL, THAT WILL BE THE COUNCIL'S DISCRETION. THE BOND WILL DETERMINE AT WHAT SPEED YOU WANT TO GO.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU BOND, YOU CAN DO MORE FASTER OR IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO IT AS YOU GO, THEN THAT'S WE CAN DO IT AS THE MONEY COMES IN.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF LEVELS OF SERVICE ON THAT AS WELL KIND OF A LOWER COST AND HIGHER COSTS, OF COURSE, DEALING WITH THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF STORMS. OK. AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT STUDY, THAT'S GOING TO ANSWER ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE QUESTIONS AND CAN ANSWER A LOT OF.
FIX ALL OUR ISSUES. AND IT'S ALSO GOING TO BRING [INAUDIBLE] NEW ATLAS 14.
BUT THAT WAS 14, WHICH IS THE NEW, YOU KNOW, GIVEN, GOD FORBID, GLOBAL WARMING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, IT TIES US MORE INTO CURRENT RAINFALL RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SEEMS TO HAVE FUN IS PUSHING TOO IS THE NEW ATLAS 14.
SO WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE DOING THE DRAINAGE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT THOROUGHLY.
EVERY SINGLE STREET DRAINAGE ISSUES BECAUSE I HAVE A TON OF DRAINAGE ISSUES IN MY DISTRICT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND IF YOU NEED MORE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, WE HAVE WILLIAM AND MATT HERE FROM LAN AND THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROCESSES THAT THEY DO.
GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE? WHAT I'M GOING TO DO? LET'S SEE.
CAN YOU GRAB A CHAIR TWO OVER THERE? I'D LIKE FOR YOU, GENTLEMEN, TO COME UP HERE AND HAVE A SEAT BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS. WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, GENERALITIES OF THE GOALS OF THE PROJECT. WELCOME TO THE TABLE.
WELCOME. I REPRESENT DISTRICT SIX AND DISTRICT SIX NOW RUNS FROM SIXTY NINE OR.
WELL, APPARENTLY SEVENTY THIRD BUT WITH REDISTRICTING IT'S EVEN LONGER? SEVENTY THIRD. YEAH, BUT IT GOES ALL THE WAY WEST AND WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE A LOT OF INNER STREETS AND WHATNOT, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES.
SO CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME YOUR PROCESS ON HOW YOU ACCESS.
SURE. SO WHILE YOU'RE TALKING, I'LL GO TO THE BATHROOM? SURE. SO THIS IS INTENDED TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE CITYWIDE STUDY WITHOUT GETTING TOO INTO THE DETAILS, WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE OVERLAND FLOW IN SUBSURFACE FLOWS.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT HOW WATER FLOWS THROUGH THE STREETS, BUT ALSO THROUGH YOUR
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COVERAGE OF THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM.SO THOSE TWO THINGS COLLECTIVELY FORM HOW YOUR STORM SEWER SYSTEM OPERATES.
WE'RE ALSO GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT POTENTIAL SEA LEVEL INCREASES.
ALSO, LOOK AT HOW THE PROPOSED ARMY CORPS PROJECTS MAY FACTOR INTO BENEFIT THE CITY, SO THOSE WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHERE FUTURE RECOMMENDED PROJECTS FOR TODAY, BUT ALSO IN THE FUTURE, POSSIBLY A HIGHER LEVEL OF RISK FOR THOSE OTHER FUTURE PROJECTS BEING THERE.
IT IS A FULL CITYWIDE EVALUATION.
IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE STORM SEWER SYSTEMS, THE 12 ONGOING PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER IN DESIGN OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING IMPROVEMENTS WHERE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE OCCUR. WE'RE ALREADY DONE.
SO THERE'LL BE A FULL CITYWIDE EVALUATION OF THE OVERLAND FLOW AND THE STORM SEWER SYSTEM, SO IT WILL IDENTIFY PROBLEM AREAS AT THE VERY HIGH LEVEL.
AND KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT STARTING SOME OF OUR SCOPING EFFORTS ORIGINALLY BUILT AROUND WHAT THE CITY HAS STORM SEWER WISE AND ROADS THAT DID TWICE.
SO THE TYPE OF DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT SERVES AN AREA KIND OF DICTATES HOW WE MODEL IT, HOW WE STUDY IT. ALSO, AS MATT SAID, WITH THE 10, 11, 12 ACTIVE PROJECTS IN THE CITY, ONE OF WHICH IS KIND OF CENTERED AROUND HERE WITH THAT PROJECT BAYOU SOUTH SHORE AND THE FIFTH NINTH STREET KIND OF THAT AREA, THERE'S [INAUDIBLE] I THINK IS UP THERE.
YEAH, THERE'S A PUMP STATION BEING LOOKED AT UP THERE.
SO WE'VE GOT PLANS TO INCORPORATE ANOTHER STUDY INTO OUR SYSTEMS. BUT OUR FIRST GOAL IS TO ANALYZE THE ENTIRE ISLAND AREA.
THIS SAYS [INAUDIBLE] ON THIS.
SO OF COURSE, WE'LL LOOK AT THE ENTIRE EXISTING CONDITION SYSTEM AND ANALYZE THAT IN TERMS OF THE FIVE YEAR, TEN YEAR, TWENTY FIVE AND HUNDRED YEAR LEVEL OF RAINFALLS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THIS 14 LEVEL RAINFALLS, THOSE AFFECT MORE OF THE UPPER END STORMS. THE LOWER, MORE FREQUENT EVENTS THAT STAY THE SAME BETWEEN THE STATISTICAL DATA AND REALLY WHAT IT DID WAS IT TOOK RAINFALL OCCURRENCES OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS AND ADDED THEM TO THE STUFF WE'VE HAD FROM LIKE 1910 TO 1970 AND THEN ADDED STUFF FROM SEVENTY TILL NOW, ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH ALLISON, IKE, HARVEY.
AND SO THE AMOUNT OF RAIN THAT FALLS IN A TWENTY FOUR HOUR PERIOD IS WHAT THOSE EVENTS ARE TRIGGERED ON. SO IF IT RAINS 12 INCHES, THAT USED TO BE A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT.
NOW THAT'S MORE 16 INCHES OF RAIN IN 24 HOURS IN A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT AND WHAT USED TO BE ONE HUNDRED YEARS NOW, LIKE A TWENTY FIVE YEAR STORM IN TERMS OF OCCURRENCE INTERVALS.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE FOUR STORM EVENTS.
WE'LL LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CITIES STORM SEWER.
WE HAVE THE GIS DATA FOR ALIGNMENT AND LAYOUTS AND PIPE SIZE AND CONNECTIONS AND OUTFALLS. WE HAVE EFFORT TO DO FOR SITE VISITS AND WALK STUFF, POP MANHOLES LOOK AT AREAS WHERE THE GIS MIGHT NOT CONNECT OR THERE MIGHT BE A GAP OR SOMETHING'S MISSING.
WE HAVE SOME REALLY IMPRESSIVE TECHNIQUES WITHIN OUR GIS SOFTWARE FOR MACHINE LEARNING TO WHERE IT CAN SAY THERE'S A PIPE THAT'S TWENTY FOUR INCHES THIS WAY AND A PIPE THAT'S TWENTY FOUR INCHES THIS WAY, BUT NOTHING IS IN BETWEEN WORKING.
WE'LL GO PUT EYES ON IT REAL QUICK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, LIKE, SURVEY.
PUT CAMERAS IN AND WHATNOT. THERE'S THE ABILITY FOR CAMERAS.
THERE'S ABILITY FOR JUST POPPING MANHOLES, LOOKING DOWN AND TAKING A PICTURE PUT IN A TAPE DOWN. WE HAVE A SURVEY.
A SURVEY CONSULTANT ON OUR TEAM.
IT HAS A BUDGET TO DO ABOUT 10 PERCENT OF THE CITY SYSTEM TO GO OUT AND PHYSICALLY SURVEY AND PICK UP OUTFALLS.
MANHOLES PIPES THAT ARE MISSING, CONFIRM THINGS WE DON'T KNOW.
SO ONCE WE GET THE EXISTING CONDITION DONE, THEN OUR EFFORT IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF, WORK WITH THE TEAM AND IDENTIFY.
I THINK WE HAD 18 TO 20 PROBLEM AREAS TO REALLY KIND OF FOCUS ON, AND THAT'S DRIVEN BY REPETITIVE LOSSES, LOW LEVEL OF SERVICE, INSUFFICIENT PIPE SIZES.
CAN WE GET A LIST OF WHAT THE.
THOSE ARE TO BE DETERMINED, AND THEY'LL BE WORKING WITH YOU ALL TO HELP TO IDENTIFY THAT.
AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU'VE GOT AREAS IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT OWN HOT SPOTS.
YEAH, I AGREE LIKE A HUNDRED AND THIRD STREET, WHEN IT'S RAIN AND A HIGH TIDE, THOSE PEOPLE ARE TRAPPED IN THEIR HOUSES FOR FOUR DAYS AND CAN'T GET OUT.
THAT WILL BE EXACTLY WHAT GOES ON THAT LIST.
AND SO WE WILL START TO IDENTIFY, LOOK AT OUR DATA, MAKE SURE OUR DATA CORRELATES WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN REAL LIFE TO MAKE SURE WE VALIDATE, CALIBRATE OUR MODELS.
AND THEN FROM THAT PROCESS, WE START TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE PROBLEM AREAS.
YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT LOW HANGING FRUIT.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE QUICK PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DONE? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE BIG CIP LEVEL, MULTI-YEAR PLANNING STUDIES THAT ARE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE BUDGETED FOR, BOND ELECTION TYPE STUFF.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT BOTH LEVELS OF PROJECTS.
WE'LL LOOK AT SOLUTIONS ON WHAT CAN WE DO TO SOLVE A FIVE YEAR EVENT SO THAT IF IT RAINS ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON, THEY DON'T GET TRAPPED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY CAN GET OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT OR.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT RAINS AND TIDES.
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YES, WE ARE. WE'RE LOOKING AT SEVERAL POTENTIAL TIDES AREAS, CURRENT DAY TIDES, BUT ALSO FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE SO THAT PROJECTS YOU DO TODAY OR NEXT YEAR STILL WORK SEVERAL YEARS BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, RANDOM HIGH TIDE WEATHER CHANGES AND I CAN HAVE 20 PERCENT OF MY DISTRICT TRAPPED IN THEIR HOUSES.OK. SO ARE YOU? YOU MENTION YOUR THIS IS GOING TO BE COORDINATED WITH THE EVENTUALITY POSSIBLY OF THE RAIN LEVEE THAT THE [INAUDIBLE] IS BRINGING IT FORWARD.
AND SO IT WILL COMPLEMENT THAT IF THAT COMES ONLINE.
YES, SIR. AND WHAT ABOUT OUR OUTFALLS? ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE NOT ONLY THE POSITIONING, BUT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THOSE OUTFALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO OUTFALLS WILL BE A VALUE EVALUATED, NOT FROM A CONDITION ASSESSMENT PERSPECTIVE, NOT FROM A PHYSICAL INSPECTION OF ARE THEY IN GOOD CONDITION? DO THEY NEED TO BE ALTERED OR CLEANED OUT? THEY'LL BE EVALUATED FROM A FLOW LINE, WHICH IS AN ELEVATION PERSPECTIVE.
BUT ALSO, ARE THEY THE APPROPRIATE SIZE, APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR SERVING THE STORM SEWER SYSTEMS THEY'RE TIED TO? AND THEN I HOPE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, ARE THEY EVEN WORKING BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CLOGGED OR COLLAPSED OUTFALL? THIS WILL BE THINGS IDENTIFIED DURING OUR FIELDWORK OR SURVEY VISITS.
DO YOU WANT US TO LIKE SUPPLY THINGS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ENOUGH PEOPLE FROM LARGE TRACTS OF LANDS AND WHATNOT? WOULD THAT HELP YOU? YEAH.
AND SO AS PART OF THE SCOPING EFFORT AND BRANDON WAS REALLY ADAMANT ABOUT THIS, AND IT WAS REALLY GOOD FORESIGHT.
WE HAVE FIVE WORKSHOPS CITY/ COUNCIL BRIEFINGS THROUGH THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT AND THEIR FRONT END FOR DATA COLLECTION, FOR STAKEHOLDER COORDINATION.
AND THEN ALSO KIND OF MID-LEVEL TO UPDATE YOU AS WE GO AND WHAT WE FIND AND THEN KIND OF CONCLUSION PRESENTATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT.
SO THROUGHOUT THE TWENTY TWO, TWENTY FOUR MONTHS OF THE PROJECT, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS BUILT INTO OUR SCOPE AND FEET.
WE HAVE A STAKEHOLDER COORDINATION MEETING RELATIVELY EARLY IN THE PROJECT AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TO COLLECT DATA.
KNOWN PROBLEM AREAS GET INSIGHT FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS.
WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS SET UP, ONE OF WHICH IS KIND OF POST EXISTING CONDITION TO WHERE WE'VE THIS WHAT WE SEE, IS WHAT WE SEE THIS WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
THIS IS WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW, AND IT'S A CHANCE FOR THE PUBLIC OR Y'ALL TO PROVIDE INPUTS. TO SAY YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SEE.
OR YOU SAY, THIS DOESN'T FLOOD, BUT I KNOW IT FLOODS EVERY THURSDAY.
IT RAINS TWO INCHES AND WE GET RAIN ON THE STREETS, SO IT GETS CORRELATION TO THAT.
SO WE HAVE. EVEN HAVE TO RAIN AND SHOWS A FREAKISH, VERY HIGH TIDE.
YEAH. SO AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION, WE HAVE A LOT OF FRONT END COMMUNICATION EFFORTS.
AND THEN IT WAS REALLY GOOD FORETHOUGHT ON THAT PART BECAUSE THERE IS A LARGE AREA TO BE LOOKED AT AND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE EAST END OF THE WEST END AND THE STUFF IN THE MIDDLE. SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN LITTLE POCKET OF KNOWLEDGE AND TRYING TO GET IT ALL AT ONCE IS GOING TO BE REALLY CUMBERSOME.
WE'RE UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU TAKE, FOR INSTANCE, RAIN THAT FALLS AT FORTY THIRD [INAUDIBLE] HAS TO TRAVEL MILES IN A PIPE TO GET AN OUTFALL.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CANAL SYSTEMS OR OTHER THINGS THAT EVEN HOUSTON HAS.
OUR WATER HAS TO TRAVEL A LONG TIME IN A PIPE, AND WE'VE GOT SOMETIMES ONLY INCHES OF FALL BETWEEN THE INLET AND THE OUTFALL.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF SIZE OR TIDES, IT'S ALSO ABOUT THE FALL.
IT'S ABOUT HOW WE MOVE THE WATER, HOW MUCH HEAD PRESSURE HAS TO BUILD UP IN THE STREET IN ORDER TO GET THE WATER MOVING.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT YOU SEE ON OUR STREETS WHEN THEY FILL UP IS THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE PRESSURING UP AND THEN YOU'LL SAY, WOW, IT WAS GONE REALLY QUICK. WELL, IT'S BECAUSE ONCE THE PRESSURE GETS UP, IT PUSHES THE WATER BACK OUT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS ARE LOOKING AT.
YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THESE OUTFALLS BRANDON MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THE STATUS OF THOSE OUTFALLS.
THESE GENTLEMEN IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO DO KIND OF FOR THE ELEVATION IN THINGS, BUT FROM THE ACTUAL CONDITION OF THE OUTFALLS, IF THEY'RE OPEN FOR FLOW AND IF THEY'RE CLOGGED UP, WE HAVE SOME WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT EVALUATION DONE ALREADY.
YES. YEAH, WE HAVE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE TEXT.
WE HAVE THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
BUT CRAIG, IT DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD TO GO THERE AND SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY ON IT ON FIXING IT ALL THE OUTFALL, IF IT'S NOT AT THE RIGHT SPOT OR IT'S I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
YEAH, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THOSE UP FALLS IS A PRIORITY ON THIS THING TOO.
THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE DOING MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE WORKSHOP SOMEWHERE WEST OF SEVENTY-THIRD STREET, BECAUSE WE TEND TO DO ALL OUR WORKSHOPS, EITHER AT WRIGHT COUNTY OR WHATNOT, WHICH IS VERY INCONVENIENT FOR MY DISTRICT.
YOU'RE SPEAKING NOT OF OUR WORKSHOPS, BUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
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YES. COMMUNITY OUTPUT SO THAT IT CAN ACTUALLY BE IN THE DISTRICT.SO IT'S EASY FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET THERE.
AND I MEAN, BECAUSE I HAVE AN UNUSUAL DISTRICT, MY DISTRICT IS 20 MILES LONG.
SO AND WE'RE THE MOST VULNERABLE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BEHIND THE SEA WALL.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF UNIQUE ISSUES THAT YOU DON'T SO MUCH EXPERIENCE INTO.
YEAH, WE. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN COORDINATE WITH BRANDON.
WE HAD FOCUSED CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HAVING AN EAST AND WEST FRONT END STAKEHOLDER IN PUBLIC COORDINATION MEETING.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS.
THEY'D HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION BUDGET, PART OF THE GRANT FUNDING AND WHATNOT.
AND SO WE WERE GOING TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THAT FOR PARALLEL MEETINGS UNDER ANOTHER GRANT FUNDED PROJECT THAT BRANDON ALREADY HAS.
RIGHT. SO THERE IS SOME ABILITY TO USE THIS BUDGET TO KIND OF GO WEST AND THE EASTERN DOWNTOWN AREA STRAND AREA CAN HAVE A SEPARATE PUBLIC MEETING USUALLY FUNDED BY SOMETHING ELSE. OK, THANK YOU.
BRANDON, WHO COORDINATES? YES. THE MEETINGS AND THE DATES.
YES, I'LL BE WORKING WITH MARISSA ON COORDINATING THE PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORTS.
OKAY. SO CAN YOU TOUCH BASE WITH US AS YOU'RE SENDING THAT UP? OH, ABSOLUTELY. IT'LL BE A COORDINATED EFFORT WITH COUNCIL.
SO CHARLES CALENDAR AND Y'ALL SCHEDULE.
EVERY DISTRICT, EVERY AREA OF THE CITY HAS A DIFFERENT PROBLEM.
IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES [INAUDIBLE].
AND EVERY SECTION OF THE CITY HAS A DEBILITATING PROBLEM.
IT'S QUITE A, I THINK, THE COMMON THREAD.
WE TEND TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF.
THE COMMON THREAD IS SEA RISE.
SO WHEN THE MODELS GET DEVELOPED, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE IN HERE IS RUNNING MULTIPLE BOUNDARIES UNTIL WATER CONDITIONS WITH EXISTING SEA LEVEL RISE OR EXISTING SEA LEVEL CONDITIONS, HIGH TIDE, LOW TIDE AND THEN A PROPOSED SEA LEVEL INCREASE 20, 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW. AND IT'S KIND OF TIDAL INFLUENCE.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE STORM SURGE AS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WAS FOCUSED MORE ON THE LOCAL COLLECTION RAINFALL ON THE ISLAND.
AND HOW DOES THAT GET IN AND OUT? SO PUSHING AGAINST A SEVEN FOOT STORM SURGE, EIGHT FOOT STORM SURGE IS NOT SOLVABLE IN A STORM SEWER LEVEL ANALYSIS.
ABOUT EARLIER, A THREE AND A HALF FOOT TIDE WILL PUT WATER IN THE STREET AND CORNER TWENTY FIFTH AND STRAND.
I MEAN, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES WHERE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A TIDAL SURGE THAT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF A STORM.
IT JUST HAPPENS WE ALL STUDY GO INTO THAT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO TRY TO SOLVE TIDAL SURGES.
AND NOT A SEVEN FOOT [INAUDIBLE] SURGE, BUT A THREE FOOT TIDAL.
IT'LL BE PART OF THE EVALUATION.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE DIFFICULT ISSUES TO SOLVE, ESPECIALLY WITH NOT MUCH ELEVATION OR FALL. SO IT'LL BE EVALUATED IN TERMS OF COST EFFECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY MAY BE DIFFICULT. WHAT THEY MAY RECOMMEND IT MAYBE IT MAY HAVE A LINE ON SOME INNOVATIVE BACK FLOW OR SOMETHING THAT. AND BUT AGAIN, MOST BACKFLOW IS MECHANICAL AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE ENOUGH PRESSURE TO ACTIVATE THE VALVE.
SO WE'VE LEARNED THAT, YES, WE DID.
APPRECIATE IT. ONE LAST QUESTION.
YES, MA'AM. SURE. WHAT HE SAID, A NOTE I SAID, IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF WHAT YOU STATED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PRIMARIES AT A HIGH LEVEL? HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHAT THE PRIMARIES ARE? SOMETHING LIKE THIS? OR SHE'S TALKING WHAT WOULD BE IN THIS PROJECT UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S A CITY WIDE? AND SO WHAT WOULD BE SOME PRIMARY? WHAT DID YOU LEAD TO WHEN YOU SAID PRIMARIES? I THINK THAT'S WHY I WAS GETTING. PRIMARY PROBLEM AREAS.
YOU GUYS STATED AND I THOUGHT IT WAS YOU STATED THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT PRIMARIES AT A HIGH LEVEL. OH, PROBLEM AREAS.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO DRAW UP A PROBLEM AREA? MAYBE A SHARED OUTFALL OR A SHARED TOPOGRAPHIC DIVIDE? YOU'VE GOT A HIGH POINT THAT'S PREVENTING SERVICE FLOW, OR IT'S A LOW POINT THAT IT CAN BE A HEAVILY TITLED.
SO IT'LL BE A PROBLEM AREA IS KIND OF GEOGRAPHICALLY DRIVEN.
VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A LOT OF YOU.
GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE MOST INTENSIVE [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE DONE SO. WELL, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST THE PRIMARY ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FACE NOW AND
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IN THE FUTURE, AND WE NEED TO GET ON IT.WE'RE LITERALLY SPENDING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON DRAINAGE, SO.
IT AFFECTS SO MANY [INAUDIBLE]. AND THANK YOU AGAIN.
UH,11H WAS MY NEXT QUESTION HERE.
SO THIS IS SOME ARCHITECTURAL WORK FOR FOURTH FLOOR HERE.
HOW DO WE GO ABOUT CHOOSING CONTRACTS LIKE THIS? I MEAN, THIS IS AN OUT-OF-TOWN FIRM, AND IT DEFINITELY SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE IN TOWN CAPABLE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WHY DON'T WE GO WITH A OUT OF TOWN FIRM INSTEAD OF SOMEBODY LOCAL? WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD SUCCESS WITH THIS PARTICULAR HISTORIC ARCHITECTURE FIRM.
THEY DID THE 30TH STREET WATER ELECTRIC STATION.
THE WAY THEY PROCEEDED WITH THE PROJECT, WAY TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT, THE WAY THEY PERFORMED WAS EXCEPTIONAL.
WE HAVE SOME FIRMS HERE IN TOWN, BUT NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR EXPERTISE, AS IS THEIR WHEELHOUSE. SO THAT WAS HOW IT CAME UP.
SO I MEAN, THIS IS JUST AN INTERIOR REMODEL.
I MEAN, THIS IS ALL [INAUDIBLE].
HISTORIC BUILDING, AND WE HAVE TO TREAT IT CERTAIN WAYS.
AND SO THEIR SENSITIVITY OF THAT HELPS.
WELL, I WOULD SAY WE HAD SOME OF THE BEST HISTORICAL ARCHITECTS IN TOWN OF ANY PLACE AND SO I MEAN, I DON'T I WOULD JUST LIKE ONE OF THOSE YOU'RE REFERRING TO PROBLEMS WITH THE WORK THEY DID HERE ALREADY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO REDO ALL THE WINDOWS OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT COULD BE A FACTOR. BUT BUT THERE ARE DEFINITELY SEVERAL ARCHITECTS HERE IN TOWN THAT HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN HISTORICAL BUILDINGS IN THIS TOWN.
AND I WOULD DEFINITELY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS ONE.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO TRY TO USE THOSE [INAUDIBLE].
THIS ONE WAS PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE THEY DID BEFORE.
YEAH. AND WE USE, [INAUDIBLE] A LOT.
[INAUDIBLE] WORKING ON THIS BUILDING AT THE MOMENT? YEAH. YEAH, WE'VE USED MIKE IN THE PAST.
WE'VE USED DAVID WATSON IN THE PAST.
SO WE TRY TO SPREAD IT AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, DAVID, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST OF THAT.
BUT THIS IS A, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE PICKING ON DAVID, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE GOOD, GOOD ARCHITECTS IN TOWN THAT HAVE A LOT OF HISTORICAL PRESERVATION HISTORY.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO US USE LOCAL ARCHITECT WHEN WE CAN OR ANY LOCAL BUSINESS WHEN WE CAN OF COURSE. OK.
YES JOHN, ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH. 11I, 11J.
SO WE'RE WE'RE UPDATING OUR WATER METER SYSTEM HERE.
AND JUST IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS.
SO THIS PROJECT IS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF OUR CURRENT AMR PROJECT OR CORRECT AMR SYSTEM.
WE'RE GOING TO ADVANCE THE METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TOP OF THE LINE SOLID STATE METERS, SO THEY HAVE NO MOVING PARTS.
THEY'LL CAPTURE MORE OF THE READ INTERNALLY.
THEY'LL CAPTURE TEMPERATURE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO REMOTE CONNECT, DISCONNECT.
SOME OF THE METERS FROM ONE INCH, THREE INCH, FOUR INCH AND SOME OF THE ONES HIGHER WILL HAVE PRESSURE MONITORING ON IT.
SO THE SPREAD WILL GIVE US PRESSURE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, AND IT WILL ALERT US WHEN THERE DROPS OR SPIKES AND WHATNOT.
WE'LL HAVE A NEW AMI PLATFORM.
WE'LL HAVE AN MDM SYSTEM, A NEW CUSTOMER PORTAL.
THERE'LL BE NEW MESSAGING CAPABILITIES.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEND MESSAGES OUT LIKE VIA TEXT MESSAGE OR EMAIL TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND SAID, LIKE, HEY, WE GOT WATER OUTAGE.
WE KNOW THERE'S A WATER OUTAGE IN YOUR AREA WITH ONE PERFORMER DISCONNECT FOR WHATEVER REASON, WHETHER IT BE EMERGENCY OR NON PAY OR WHATNOT.
THE SYSTEM'S GOING TO HAVE A TON OF NEW ANALYTICS FOR US THAT WILL PERFORM LEAK DETECTION ON THE CUSTOMER SIDE.
IT'LL LET US KNOW WHEN WE HAVE A LEAK ON THEIR SIDE.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO NOTIFY THE CUSTOMER RIGHT AWAY THAT THEY HAVE A LEAK AND THE RATE OF THE LEAK AND THEN PERHAPS GET OUT THERE IN THE SYSTEM WITH FINDING IT.
THE PRESSURE MONITORING COMPONENTS WILL LET US SEE WHEN WE HAVE LEAKS ON OUR SIDES THAT WE CAN GET TO IT FASTER.
THIS IS GOING TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO TRULY CAPTURE OUR WATER USAGE AND REDUCE WATER LOSS. JUMP TO THINGS MUCH FASTER.
THEN ALSO CLEAN UP THE READING OF IT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DRIVE.
AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY GET WATER BILLS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE MONTH. AND THEY VARY IN A NUMBER OF DAYS BECAUSE THE TIME IT TAKES US TO DO THE READS. THIS WILL BE A DUMP.
WE CAN DO IT. WE CAN GET BILLS THAT A MORE EFFICIENT, BETTER TOO.
RIGHT. TO THAT POINT, WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE RECEIVING DATA EVERY FOUR HOURS AND IT WILL GET A DUMP EVERY FOUR HOURS, 15-MINUTE INTERVALS.
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SO MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT THE ENTIRE READ FOR THE SYSTEM IS.HOW LONG IS THIS SYSTEM? HOW LONG HAS A SYSTEM LIKE THIS BEEN UP AND RUNNING IN OTHER PLACES? THEY'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE.
[INAUDIBLE] YEAH, THESE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR WELL OVER A DECADE.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOM AND POP SHOPS THAT CAME IN AND WENT, YOU KNOW THAT THEY FAILED.
THERE WAS LIKE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR NEW GRANTS AND WHATNOT, AND THEY CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK AND THEN THEY DIDN'T MAKE IT.
BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TODAY, THE GROUPS THAT ARE AROUND TODAY, THEY'VE BEEN VETTED, THEY'RE AROUND THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
THE SYSTEM WE CHOSE IS A VERY TOP NOTCH SYSTEM.
THERE ARE ONE OF THE BEST AT MAKING THE METERS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'VE BEEN AROUND TO.
OUR BADGER SYSTEM WAS PROBABLY THE VERY FIRST LOOK AT WHAT AN AUTOMATED METERING SYSTEM WOULD BE. AND IT WAS VERY OLD.
AND OF COURSE, COUNCIL MADE A DECISION.
I WASN'T EVEN THE CITY MANAGER THEN.
IT WAS WHEN I WAS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, TO TRY TO KEEP THE BADGER SYSTEM GOING A LITTLE LONGER TO SAVE MONEY.
WE'VE KEPT IT GOING, BUT WE CAN'T GET THE METERS ANYMORE.
AND SO THIS 15 MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE, THIS IS THE 50 MILLION COVERS BY THE METER, GETTING THE NEW METER INSTALLED, PULL AN OLD METER OUT, GET THE NEW ONE INSTALLED, GET THE SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING, AND THAT'S THE WHOLE COMPLETE.
HUNDRED PERCENT CHANGE OUT OF OUR METERING INFRASTRUCTURE.
DOES THE COMPANY DO THAT? THEY COME IN, THEY REPLACE PRETTY MUCH EVERY METER IN TOWN.
PRETTY MUCH. EVERY METER. EVERY METER IN TOWN.
WHILE THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE GETTING NEW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING OTHER DATA FOR US. THEY'RE GOING TO BE CAPTURING THE GPS POINTS, RIGHT? AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT INTEGRATED INTO OUR MAP.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING TO SPEAK WITH HIM ABOUT AFTER THIS, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR IT NOW IS THAT I WAS GOING TO SEE IF I COULD GET THEM TO ALSO COLLECT THE ATTRIBUTE DATA OF THE PIPING LEAVING THE METER AND THE PIPING GOING TOWARDS THE MAIN.
BECAUSE THAT CAN HELP US WITH THE NEW EPA LEADING COPPER RULE THAT'S COMING AROUND AND GET THAT INFORMATION INTO OUR GIS AS WELL.
AND THEY'LL ALSO LET US KNOW IF THEY COME ACROSS ANY METERS THAT HAVE BEEN TAMPERED WITH, WHICH WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE.
AND THIS SOLID STATE SYSTEM ALSO KEEPS PEOPLE FROM TAMPERING WITH THE METERS.
RIGHT, RIGHT. IT HAS A TAMPER ALERT SYSTEM, A REVERSE FLOW ALERT SYSTEM.
WILL BE GOING OFF A LOT AROUND HERE WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME TO GET ALL THIS IMPLEMENTED AND UP AND RUNNING? THE PROJECT IS 18 MONTHS.
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND FOUR MONTHS GOING THROUGH, THROUGH A CALIBRATION PROCESS, STANDING UP ALL THE NETWORK, GETTING EVERYTHING YOU INTEGRATE AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR METER TO CASH PROCESS IS FULLY VETTED AND FUNCTIONING PROPERLY SO WE DON'T SEE ANY BILLING ISSUES.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S ALL DONE, WE'RE OFF AND RUNNING.
OK. AND HOW MUCH I MEAN DISRUPTION TO OUR CITIZENS OUT THERE? I MEAN, A COUPLE OF HOURS THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF WATER WHEN THEY PULL THE METER OUT, PUT IT IN. NO, NO.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE LIKE LESS THAN 15 MINUTES PER METER AND WE'LL GET MESSAGING OUT. WE WILL GO OUT THERE AND PUT DOOR HANGERS AND WHATNOT.
THE ONE, THE CUSTOMERS THAT WILL THAT WE'LL SEE LIKE A LARGE OUTAGE ARE GOING TO BE THE LARGER CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE SIX INCH, EIGHT OR 10 INCH METERS.
SO THAT'S LIKE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM SEPARATELY FROM OUR DOMESTIC.
AND WE'LL SCHEDULE THOSE LIKE IF WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT ON THE FOURTH OF JULY. THAT'D BE GOOD. YEAH, OK.
I'M SORRY. AND THEN JAY IS TIED TO THIS RIGHT WITH THE CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? WHAT EXACTLY IS [INAUDIBLE].
SO AS WE STARTED THE PROJECT, WE ACTUALLY WENT TO THE WHOLE.
FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND WE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO TAKE US THROUGH THAT AND THAT IS [INAUDIBLE]. THEY WERE E SOURCE ORIGINALLY AND THEN NOW THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE].
AND SO WE HIRED THEM SO THAT THEY COULD HELP HELP US BUILD THE CASE OF LIKE, WHAT? WHAT'S THE RIGHT SYSTEM MAKE SENSE OF THE DOLLARS? AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, ONCE WE HAD THAT, THAT STUDY DONE, THEN WE HIRED THEM TO HELP US THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS AND THEN WE GOT THROUGH THAT PHASE.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PROJECT MANAGE THIS WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING GOES WRONG. THIS IS LIKE A SOFTWARE PURCHASE FOR US, ALMOST, IT'S ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE BUY OFF THE SHELF SOFTWARE AND THEY PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT. THEN THEY USE 20 PERCENT OF THE CAPACITY IN THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE THEY GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF THEY DIDN'T NEED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS HELP US TO DO IS TO DEVELOP EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED, WHAT WE WANTED, WHAT'S GOING TO WORK HERE.
AND SO WE COULD SPEC IT OUT, RIGHT, AND HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WE GET HIGH UTILIZATION OUT OF AND GET OUR MONEY'S WORTH OUT. AND WILL THE CITIZEN BE ABLE TO GET ONLINE AND SEE DATA AND STUFF? IS THERE KIND OF A PORTAL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE?
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THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN APP, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET ON THE WEBSITE AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR USAGE DAILY.THEIR USAGE WILL BE ONE DAY BEHIND.
RIGHT. SO I CAN'T SEE MY USAGE RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN'T BUT I CAN SEE YESTERDAY IN THE PAST.
ALL RIGHT. WE HAD DAVID, YOU HAD A QUESTION.
WHAT DO WE THINK IS THE ANTICIPATED START DATE? WHEN ARE YOU LIABLE TO SEE CREWS IN THE STREET, IN THE ALLEY? SURE. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ARE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR PROJECT KICK OFF.
WE'RE SHOOTING FOR AROUND MARCH 15TH.
WE'LL ACTUALLY START TO SEE SOME METERS IN THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A WITHIN A MONTH.
WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH SEVERAL HUNDRED METERS AS WE GO THROUGH LIKE A TESTING PROCESS AND MAKING SURE IT'S ALL GOOD.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, IT'S GOING, WE'RE JUST GOING TO RELEASE THE [INAUDIBLE] AND LET THEM GO FOR IT. SO I WOULD SAY BY JUNE, YOU'LL SEE THE TRUCKS OUT IN THE STREETS, REPLACING METERS, MAYBE JULY, THE LATEST.
OKAY SO BASICALLY ONCE YOU GET STARTED, IT'S JUST GOING DOWN THE ALLEY.
THIS ONE, THAT [INAUDIBLE] HOUSE.
WILL YOU BE AS GOOD AS YOU CAN ABOUT LETTING US KNOW WHERE YOU'RE WORKING? BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE PHONE'S GOING TO RING THE SECOND PEOPLE START PULLING THOSE, THEY START PULLING THOSE METERS OUT FOR 15 MINUTES.
PHONES ARE GOING TO RING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM.
THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH, AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'RE.
PRETTY GOOD. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'RE GOING TO USE OUR MARISSA WILL BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS ALL THE TIME AND MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING GOOD NOTICES.
IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE DENVER COURT AREA, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THE NEXT FOUR DAYS. YOU MAY EXPERIENCE A 15-MINUTE AVERAGE, AND I SUSPECT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GO KNOCK ON THE DOOR TO BEFORE THEY PULL IT.
THESE AREN'T CITY CREWS. THESE ARE THESE ARE CREWS WITH.
WE WILL HAVE CITY CREWS WITH THEM.
RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THE OTHER THING, IN THE DETAIL A LITTLE BIT, ONCE YOU HAVE THIS FULLY IMPLEMENTED, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TURN OFF AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE.
YES. I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S KEY FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THAT WHEN YOU SEE IT, BECAUSE IT WILL ALERT YOU ON A DRAMATIC DROP, THE FREEZE IS OVER.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT ON INDIVIDUAL METERS AND TURN THOSE OFF.
WELL, THAT'LL SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.
BUT BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE THOUSAND SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH MEANS OFF SITE OWNERSHIP, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CALL US AND SAY, I THINK ONE OF MY RENTERS BROKE SOMETHING.
I'VE DONE THIS. I'M IN HOUSTON.
WE CAN TURN THE WATER OFF FOR THEM UNTIL THEY CAN GET SOMEBODY THERE.
BUT THE THE KEY IS IN A CATASTROPHIC SITUATION, YOU HAVE A SITUATION.
THE EMPTY HOUSES WERE A BIG PROBLEM DURING THE FREEZE AND AFTER THE FREEZE.
YES, THE WATER JUST STARTED TO FLOW AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE TO SEE IT.
TO BE REALLY HONEST, IT WAS OUR DISCUSSION.
IT WAS OUR DISCUSSION POST WINTER STORM WITH THE WHITE HOUSE THAT ALLOWED THIS TO COME INTO PLAY WITH THIS PARTICULAR ROUND OF FUNDING BECAUSE IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA. AND THEN THIS.
WELL, WE BROUGHT IT TO THEIR ATTENTION.
THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE IT ON THEIR RADAR SCREEN.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'RE KIND OF ON THE TIP OF THE SPEAR HERE WITH THIS.
SO THIS IS GREAT. I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE CITY.
I MEAN, IT REALLY BRINGS THE WATER DEPARTMENT UP TO THE MODERN TIMES.
AND THEN NEXT ON YOUR LIST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE UPGRADED SOFTWARE IN OUR FINANCE SYSTEMS BECAUSE OUR FUNDING SYSTEM IS 30 YEARS OLD, IT'S DOS BASED FOR THE MOST PART.
WE'RE GOING TO BE AND IT'S STABLE.
THAT'S THE GOOD THING. IT'S STABLE, IT'S A WORKHORSE.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REPLACE THE WHEELS AND NOT THE TIRES.
I KNOW A LITTLE COBOL IF YOU NEED HELP.
SO AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO CLARIFY.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE THEM GOING IN AND LOOKING AT GPS.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WE HAD IN MY DISTRICT WHEN I HAVE MY TEAMS OF 100 PEOPLE OUT THERE WORKING AND FIRE COMPANIES, WE COULDN'T FIND THE METERS.
THE METERS WERE LIKE, WE KNOW THERE'S ONE HERE, BUT WHERE THE HECK IS IT? IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING WHEN THEY START INSTALLING.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE AT, I THINK MINUS THE PIPE BEING RIPPED OUT OF THE GROUND AND BLOWN SOMEWHERE.
BE ONTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHERE EXACTLY WHERE THEIR AT.
JUST LIKE [INAUDIBLE] COVERED WITH BUSHES.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE, THAT REALLY WON'T MATTER.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROMOTE IT.
THAT'S RIGHT. AND YOU'LL BE REDOING.
MAKE SURE YOU PAY YOUR WATER BILL.
A LOT OF WATER USAGE, WELL, FOR THE MOST PART THE BOXES THAT ARE IN GOOD SHAPE WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED, RIGHT? THE BOXES THAT ARE IN BAD SHAPE WILL BE REPLACED.
THE LIDS THAT ARE IN BAD SHAPE WILL BE REPLACED.
AND WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO REPLACE AS MUCH AS WE NEED.
OK. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I'M ALMOST AS EXCITED AS I WAS ABOUT THE TRASH TRUCKS.
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BUT WHO DO YOU THINK'S PUTTING THE METERS IN.[LAUGHTER] AS YOU BEGIN ON THE ISLAND, WHICH END ARE, DO YOU KNOW YET? WE HAVEN'T SET DOWN AND PICK THE ROUTES YET? OK. BUT I BET THEY FAN OUT.
I MEAN, THESE GUYS, WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, THEY LINGER HERE, THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO PUT AS MANY PEOPLE ON THE JOB AND PROBABLY HIT IT.
A QUESTION ON THIS OR A STATEMENT ON THIS.
FIRST OF ALL, WHERE'S THE CONTROL CENTER FOR ALL THIS? WHERE WILL THIS HAPPEN? SO THE WELL.
IN HIS POCKET. NO, THE NETWORK IS MONITORED ON TWO FRONTS.
WE HAVE HOPE DEAN, WHO IS GOING TO BE TAKING CARE OF OUR END OF THE NETWORK ON THIS SIDE, THIS HERE IN THIS BUILDING, RIGHT? AND THEN A LOT OF OUR SOFTWARE IS THE SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE.
AND SO THEY ALL HAVE A [INAUDIBLE].
SO WHERE IS THE ALL CONTROL CENTER? IN THE CLOUD.
IT'S HOSTED BY AMAZON WEB SERVICES.
SO WE HAVE A SOFTWARE AT THE SERVICE, THE AMI PLATFORMS IN THE CLOUD.
SO WE'RE HITTING IT ON TWO DIFFERENT. OK, HERE'S A QUESTION.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GETS HACKED? WELL, I JUST GOT A GOOD QUESTION.
I GOT A GOT A NOTICE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE STATE GOVERNMENT, AND HAVE PASSED IT ON TO STAFF ABOUT.
THEY'VE GOTTEN INPUT THAT THEY'RE TAPPING INTO THESE WATER SYSTEMS WITH RANSOMWARE AND ALL OF THAT. HOW DO WE? ARE WE PROTECTING THIS WELL AND GOT THIS THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY? BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT SEEMS TO BE PERMEATING AROUND THE NATION RIGHT NOW.
SO I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A LOT OF CYBERSECURITY MEASURES.
I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ASK, ARE YOU GUYS ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS QUESTION? YEAH. THIS IS BRAD. WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.
YEAH, GOOD MORNING. SO WE'RE I'M BRADLEY WITH BADGER METER.
THERE WAS ABOUT 10 MONTHS PREVIOUS 19 YEARS AT AT&T.
SO I INSTALL A LOT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
BRAD, I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU COME UP, SIT DOWN RIGHT HERE, TRINA, COME ON UP HERE AND WE PROBABLY WON'T KEEP YOU LONG, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR ALL THIS.
SO FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE, THE NETWORK WE'RE RUNNING ALL THAT AMI DATA WILL NEVER SEE A PUBLIC INTERNET, SO WE LEASE A PRIVATE TUNNEL, IF YOU WILL, FROM AT&T, WHICH BYPASSES THESE. SO WE'RE NOT DOING ENCRYPTION.
THERE'S AN ENCRYPTION TECHNIQUE THAT'S VERY POPULAR, CALLED [INAUDIBLE], WHERE IT'S ENCRYPTED, IT'S OVER THE PUBLIC INTERNET.
IT'S THE BEST CYBER SECURITY PRACTICE.
WE CAN DO THAT. AND IN THE AWS CLOUD, THEY ARE ISO 2007 OR TWENTY THOUSAND SEVEN CERTIFIED, AND WE TAKE THAT A STEP FURTHER AND DO [INAUDIBLE] CERTIFICATION.
SO I THREW A LOT OF ACRONYMS OUT BUT THOSE ARE.
THEY KNOW EXACTLY [INAUDIBLE] AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] THE OTHER DAY.
YEAH, BEST CYBER SECURITY PRACTICE.
GOOD. I GUESS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE AROUND THE NATION RIGHT NOW WITH WATER SYSTEMS, THEY'RE KIND OF TAPPING INTO.
AND THEN THE ONES I THINK THE LAST THREE I'VE HEARD ABOUT, THOUGH, WERE EX EMPLOYEES RIGHT. THERE CERTIFICATIONS NOT BEING DISCONNECTED AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY GOT ACCESS TO REMOTE MONITORS.
BUT THE PART THAT THE AMR RIDES AND EVERYTHING, THAT HAS NOT BEEN TAPPED YET.
YOU CAN THINK OF IT TOO, IS WE'VE IMPLEMENTED IT BADGE OR THE TYPE OF SECURITY THAT ALL THE GAS AND UTILITY ELECTRIC UTILITIES ARE DOING FOR THEIR [INAUDIBLE] SYSTEMS. SO WE TOOK THAT [INAUDIBLE] OF BEST PRACTICE AND WE BROUGHT THAT DOWN TO AMI.
WHICH, BY THE WAY, TRINA WAS EXPANDING OUR [INAUDIBLE] SYSTEM DRAMATICALLY.
SO WE HAVE FULL TIME MONITORING AND WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING FROM A CENTRAL LOCATION.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY. NO, IT'S FINE.
SO THE 16 MILLION AND CHANGE, IS THERE A CUSHION BUILT IN IF THERE'S LIKE AN OVERRUN, YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? BECAUSE IN MY HEAD, I JUST, YOU KNOW, 60 MILLION FOR HOWEVER MANY THOUSANDS OF METERS AND THE LABOR 18-MONTH PROJECT, WHERE DOES IF WE DO HAVE AN OVERRUN, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COMES INTO THIS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO FIRST OFF, JUST TO GET THIS POINT OUT THAT THE PROJECT IS ONE HUNDRED PERCENT GRANT FUNDED RIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PUT IN FOR ANOTHER GRANT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO HEAR FROM NEXT MONTH FOR AN ADDITIONAL FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY TO COME TOWARDS THIS PROJECT.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET GOOD NEWS ON THAT.
BUILT INTO THIS INTO THIS PROJECT, WE HAVE AN ALLOWANCE OR A CONTINGENCY OF ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND APPROXIMATELY.
AND SO REALLY, I HOPE TO NOT USE IT.
BUT IF WE HAVE OVERRUNS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HIT FIRST.
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AND THEN IF WE GO BEYOND THAT, THEN WE WILL LOOK FOR FUNDING WITHIN OUR THE REST OF OUR AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CREWS SHADOWING INSTALLERS TO MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ISSUES ON OUR SIDE THAT WE GET IT TAKEN CARE OF WHILE WE'RE THERE, IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO REALLY IMPROVE THE OVERALL SYSTEM A LOT.AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE PIPES OF WHATNOT, SO THEY DO IDENTIFY A LOT BY, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT OUT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER IT'S DONE AT THAT SPOT OR SOME OTHER TIME IN THE FUTURE. THE EPA IS GOING TO REQUIRE.
BUT WE'LL AT LEAST KNOW IT, IDENTIFY IT, AND WE'LL HAVE A GOOD INVENTORY.
WE HAVE A SEPARATE PROJECT WITH FREEZING NICHOLS GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EPA.
THE FIRST STEP IS CAPTURING THE INVENTORY AND THEN MAKING THE WEBSITE OR THE GIS MAP OF IT AVAILABLE TO ALL CUSTOMERS.
AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE THE TESTING OF THE WATER AND CORROSION CONTROL AND THEN THE TRIGGER POINTS AND WHATNOT.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND SAVE YOUR LIFE SO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HITTING DRAINAGE AND NOW DOING THIS WITH THE WINTER STORM AND A WEIRD SORT OF WAY BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.
THERE'S ALWAYS A SILVER LINING TO A DISASTER AT SOME POINT.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANKS.
THANKS FOR EVERYTHING. JOHN, ANYTHING? YES, SIR. THAT WAS THE LAST OF MY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I HAVE ONE FOR MIKE ON 10B.
SO ON 10B WHEN I WAS JUST RUNNING THE NUMBERS, I'M LOOKING AT WHERE THE 4.2 MILLION, I COULD FIGURE OUT WHERE HALF OF IT WAS COMING FROM.
AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT, BUT AND I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH THE PURCHASE OF THE LARGE TRUCKS THAT PART OF THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM.
YES, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT SALE, WHAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO WITH BOND SALE, SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE COSTS THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE UNDER THE BOND SALE, YOU CAN BACKDATE AND PICK UP THE EXPENSES FROM A CERTAIN DATE.
THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE IMPROVE PREVIOUSLY.
YES, AND IT'LL APPLY TO RENTAL FEES, BUT ONLY IN THE CASES WHERE THE RENTAL FEES ARE ALLOWED TO BE APPLIED TO THE PURCHASE OF THE PROGRAM.
OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE PULLING OUT MONEY TO MAKE OUT THE DIFFERENTIAL, LIKE SOME OF IT WAS COMING OUT OF THE POLICE PAY RESERVE, THE FIRE PAY RESERVE THAT ALWAYS MAKES ME NERVOUS.
NO, WHAT WE DO WITH THAT IS WHEN WE WHEN WE HAVE THERE, WE DON'T PUT THEIR MONEY IMMEDIATELY INTO THE BUDGETS.
WE HOLD THEM OUT SEPARATELY AND THEN TRANSFERRED AS WE NEED IT.
UNTIL WE KNOW THE RAISE HAS BEEN APPROVED.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING, DISTRIBUTING IT THERE'S NO NEW MONEY IN THIS.
THIS IS ALL MONEY PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE JUST MOVING IT AROUND.
AND WHEN I WAS ADDING UP THE NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE THINGS AT THE BOTTOM.
THAT'S IT. AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING FOR MICAH? NO MORE FOR MIKE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MICAH. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR TRINA.
IT'S ON THE SOLE SOURCE WHERE WE'RE GETTING PARTS AND SO FORTH.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE EIGHT TO TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD.
WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START LOOKING AT REPLACING? SO WITHIN OUR STAFF REPORTS, I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL THAT ARE BEING REPLACED.
OK. RIGHT. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE BEING REPAIRED JUST BECAUSE THE COST TO REPAIR THEM WAS WAY CHEAPER THAN THE COST TO REPLACE THEM.
SO LIKE. HOW LONG WILL THAT REPAIR LAST? THE REPAIR WILL LAST.
YOU KNOW, THE REPAIR CAN LAST, AS YOU KNOW, FIVE, TEN YEARS, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE MAINTENANCE FROM OUR STAFF, THE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES FOR US.
WE HAVE A BRAND NEW PUMP IN THERE.
THEY'RE NOT GIVEN THE ATTENTION THAT IT'S NEEDED.
RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF OUR FOCUSES NOWADAYS ON THE PLANT SIDE IS REALLY DRIVING IN ON THE MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE SEEING A BUNCH OF THESE YOU GUYS HAVEN'T NOTICED BETWEEN ROBB AND TRINA.
I JUST WANT TO SAY AMEN AMEN AND YEAH, WE'RE SO HAPPY TO HAVE YOU BOTH BECAUSE YOU ARE BOTH SUCH A PLEASURE.
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AND BRANDON, BECAUSE HE HAS THE TIES.WE FORGET ABOUT BRANDON BECAUSE HE MOVED OUT OF THE BUILDING.
YEAH, YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE JUST EXECUTING HIS VISION.
I WAS JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THOSE REALLY OLD ONE WE NEEDED TO REPLACE WHEN TO REPLACE THEM. AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON ITEM 11P.
[INAUDIBLE] JUST THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS ALICE REMINDED ME, THIS ISN'T EVEN SOMETHING, REALLY WE PUT IT ON HERE AS A COURTESY.
IT'S PROBABLY IN THE FUTURE THESE ITEMS WILL BE ON YOUR RECEIVING FILE, NOT ON FOR ACTION, BECAUSE IT REALLY REQUIRES NO ACTION COUNCIL.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY DONE THIS FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.
YEAH. AND I WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE TALKED TO JANELLE ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY.
YEAH, WE'RE TAKING THESE OFF WHAT WE'LL START DOING.
THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MEET FOR HUD ANYWAY.
ALSO, WHEN I BRING YOU OUR ANNUAL ACTION PLANS AND OUR FIVE YEAR PLANS, I FILLED IN THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL APPROVE ALL SIGNATURES FOR ALL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE PLAN. IT'S JUST THAT JUST CAME UP TWO YEARS AGO AND TRANSPARENCY OF THE FACT THAT WE WERE SIGNING THESE, SO THEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SAID, OK, LET'S JUST PROMOTE COUNCIL.
SO WE WORKED OUT THAT WAS TO START PROVIDING THESE AND SENDING THEM TO JANELLE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR A LOT LONGER THAN FOUR YEARS AND JUST THAT ONE.
WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS AND YOU GUYS KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN SOMETHING NEW.
I MEAN, WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR FOR GALVESTON HOUSING AUTHORITY AND SOME OF THE NONPROFITS THAT ONE STATEMENT APPLY FOR HOMELESS ASSISTANCE.
SO WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS [INAUDIBLE].
EVERYONE'S ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.
SO THANK YOU EVERYONE AND THANK YOU STAFF FOR BEING HERE.
YEAH, THANKS. THAT'S A GREAT PROJECT GOING ON.
AND FOR MY FRIEND IN THE BACK IN PURCHASING.
SO NEXT, MONTH'S LUNCH, FLYING IN CHEESESTEAKS FROM CAMPOS.
SO YOU'RE ALL GOING TO GET TO HAVE A SPECIAL PHILLY DOG.
[LAUGHTER] LUNCH TODAY. YEAH, MY CHEESESTEAKS ARE ACTUALLY HEALTHIER THAN MOST [INAUDIBLE]. THE DUMPLINGS? YEAH, I'M HAVING CHOLESTEROL TESTING.
YEAH. LET'S MOVE, JANELLE, IF WE COULD PLEASE.
AND DAVID, I WANT TO ASK YOU YOUR OPINION ON THIS, IN MY OPINION.
I WAS GOING TO HAVE JANELLE READ 3B AND 3C TOGETHER.
WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF.
LET'S READ 3B AND 3C PLEASE JANELLE.
[3.B. Discussion Of Downtown Maintenance And Amenities (Collins/Brown - 15 Minutes)]
[3.C. Discussion Of Raising Downtown Parking Rates (Collins/Brown - 20 Minutes) An Ordinance Of The City Of Galveston, Texas, Amending Chapter 34 “Traffic” Of “The Code Of The City Of Galveston 1982, As Amended,”; Amending Section 34-117c, “Downtown Paid Parking District”, Section 34-144, “Paid Parking System Rate; Deposit Of Coins And Other Forms Of Payment And Time Limits”, Section 34-145, “When Use Of Paid Parking System Required”; By Adding Section 34-117d, ‘UTMB Parking Area”; To Authorize The City Manager Or Designee To Provide Parking Rates Of Two Dollars And Twenty-Five Cents An Hour In The Downtown Paid Parking District And The UTMB Parking Areas; And To Provide For Rates To Be In Force On Sundays In The Downtown Paid Parking District; Making Various Findings And Provisions Related To The Subject; And Providing For An Effective Date]
[INAUDIBLE] DISCUSSION OF DOWNTOWN MAINTENANCE AND AMENITIES 3C DISCUSSION OF RAISING DOWNTOWN PARKING RATES.VERY GOOD. DAVID, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON DILIGENTLY FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND THE PARKS AND REC, BARBARA IS HERE. BARBARA, WOULD YOU EVEN CARE TO JOIN US? BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO COME OVER TO YOU AT SOME POINT.
THE GOAL IS THIS PAST CHRISTMAS WAS THE BEST, BEST VISITATION SALES TAX CHRISTMAS WE'VE HAD DOWNTOWN PRETTY MUCH FOREVER.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO VISIT GALVESTON OVER THE PARK BOARD TO GIN UP SOME EFFORTS TO MAKE DOWNTOWN A BETTER, MORE CHRISTMAS SHOPPING DESTINATION.
THERE'S ONE DOWNTOWN MERCHANT SAID TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING OFF SEASON.
YOU SAW JANUARY AND YOU'RE GOLDEN, YOU KNOW? AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE AS WE EXPAND AND SO SALES ARE GOING VERY WELL.
BUT THE CONTINUAL COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET IS ABOUT CLEANUP DOWNTOWN.
THEY RUN DOWNTOWN AND EMPTY EVERY TRUSTEE IN THE ALLEY AND ON THE STREET EVERY MORNING.
BUT THE TROUBLE IS, SOMETIMES SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING IS NOT WHEN THE PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM IS MIDDAY.
ON A MARDI GRAS DAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN CLEANED UP, BUT ON A REGULAR FOURTH OF JULY,
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YOU KNOW, SUNDAY AND MONDAY THAT THINGS FILL UP.AND WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE SANITATION, WE CAN'T RUN SANITATION DOWN THERE, BUT FOUR TIMES A DAY.
AND PLUS, WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE THERE, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE TRUCKS [INAUDIBLE]. SO THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE PEOPLE, THEY TAKE THEIR BEER, THEY TAKE THEIR COFFEE, THEY TAKE THEIR ICE CREAM, THEY TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
IT WINDS UP IN THE TRASH CANS AND ONCE ON THE SIDEWALK.
SO AND PLUS WE DON'T WE HAVE GREGORY.
GREGORY, I'M SORRY TO GREGORY.
WE HAVE GREGORY WHO WORKS THERE, AND HE'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, BUT HE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING.
SO WE WENT AND VISITED WITH AT SAN ANTONIO.
WE VISITED AN OUTFIT CALLED CENTRO.
THEIR FUNDED THROUGH A MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS NOT OUR INTENT HERE, BUT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY NINETY FIVE PEOPLE IN YELLOW VEST.
THEY'RE ALL CERTIFIED TOURIST AMBASSADORS, TRAINED WORKING THE STREETS AND THEY MANAGE THE STREETS, THE SIDEWALKS, THEY WATER, THE PLANTS.
THEY IF THE GARBAGE NEEDS CHANGING, THEY DO.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT'S I ASKED THEM, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE? AND SHE SAID, WELL, WE'RE DOWN BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT WE HAVE NINETY FIVE AND I'M LIKE, OK. DOWNTOWN SAN ANTONIO IS A LITTLE LARGER THAN DOWNTOWN GALVESTON, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CREW OF FOUR, PERHAPS TO I THINK BARBARA'S BEST ESTIMATE WITH FOUR HAVE A CREW, [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT TO DO JUST THIS TO CLEAN THE STREETS, CLEAN SIDEWALKS, SWEEP UP TO MAINTAIN THE TRASH CANS.
AND IF THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY IN THIS AND WE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT TO DO SOME LANDSCAPING, SOME HANGING PLANTS BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, TWENTY THIRD STREET REHAB IS CONTEMPLATING AWNINGS OR NOT AWNINGS OF SHADE, STRUCTURES.
STRUCTURES, CANTILEVERED STRAIGHT SHADE STRUCTURES.
WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES AS FAR AWAY AS BOZEMAN, MONTANA.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF EXACTLY THIS DOWNTOWN.
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, THERE'S FLOWERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND SINCE DANIELS COME BACK ON BOARD, WE HAVE EXACTLY THE LANDSCAPE GUY IN IN PARKS AND REC, JUST A SEVEN DAY COVERAGE.
AND THIS IS SEVEN DAY COVERAGE, WHICH MEND TO KEY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, MOST OF THE YEAR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, BUT WE'RE BECOMING A YEAR ROUND DESTINATION WHEN THE WEATHER'S NICE.
WELL, WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, DAVID, BUT REMEMBER, A DAY TRIP BENEFITS BUGGIES.
WHAT WE NEED IS THINGS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND STAY AND EXTEND THEIR STAY.
THE BIGGEST ESTATE EXTENDER WE HAVE IS DOWNTOWN, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS BECOMES A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GUYS, WE GOT TO GROW SALES TAX.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW PROPERTY TAX.
WE'RE GOING TO GROW A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW UP THAT MUCH.
THIS IS HOW WE DO THAT BY INCREASING THESE DAYS, BY INCREASING VIABILITY TO STORES DOWNTOWN AND WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE MALL LIKE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN IN THE PAST TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL. WE ALSO HAVE A MUCH LARGER RESIDENT POPULATION DOWNTOWN AS WELL.
SO THIS DOESN'T BENEFIT, JUST CORRECT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE DOWN THERE AS WELL.
SO THAT'S THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO HAVE TO CRUISE TWO PEOPLE WITH THE TRUCK MAINTAINING THE GARBAGE, LIKE I SAID, WATERING PLANTS, PICKING UP BECAUSE SANITATION, THEY DO A GREAT JOB IN THE CANS. BUT THEY'RE NOT PICKING UP LITTER IN THE GARDEN.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE GUTTERS AND SO FORTH.
AND AS I SAY, THAT'S THE NEXT MORNING.
YOU HAVE THAT PROBLEM ANY TIME YOU HAVE EVEN SO MUCH AS [INAUDIBLE] WALK BECAUSE THE PLASTIC CUPS OVERFLOWING AND SO FORTH.
I MAY BE GETTING INTO IT, AND I KNOW MARY HAS A QUESTION.
HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? PROBABLY TALKING ON AN ANNUAL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF TWO HUNDRED TO TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THE BARBARA IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FIVE HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS OF CAPITAL EXPENSE THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THIS.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO VISIT GALVESTON.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME CAPITAL EXPENDITURES EXPENDITURES THAT WE CAN USE.
HOTEL TAX FOR TO ENHANCE DOWNTOWN.
THEY'RE WILLING TO PLAY AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING.
I CAN SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MAY BE A POTENTIAL AT SOME POINT, THOUGH I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT RIGHT NOW IS THAT FEE NOW THAT COVERS THE PERSONNEL AS WELL AS YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.
THAT'S FULLY LOADED. THAT'S THE BENEFITS OF IT.
AND HOW MUCH IS THAT AGAIN? WELL, PROBABLY FIRST YEAR THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE LOW TO MID TWO THOUSAND RANGE ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
ALL RIGHT, MARIE. YOU HAD A QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN UP THE TRASH, BUT ANY HOLIDAY WEEKEND, ANY
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WEEKEND. AND YOU KNOW, YOU OFTEN GET CALLED OUT TO MY DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE.A SEPARATE. HUGE [INAUDIBLE] BUT I LIKE IF WE'RE GETTING INTO CREW DOWNTOWN AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CREW OUT OF MY DISTRICT BECAUSE AND I'VE TALKED TO TXDOT ABOUT THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET MORE PROACTIVE.
BUT I MEAN, WE NEED THIS SAME SAME TYPE SERVICES.
IT IS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK TO COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT AND PARK BOARD ABOUT AS A MATTER OF FACT. WELL, THE PARK BOARD DOESN'T CLEAN THE STREET.[INAUDIBLE] I'M TALKING ABOUT DOUBLE ZERO FIVE AREA.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AND OUR MOST NEEDED, WHICH YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT THE MOST NEEDED AREAS ARE.
MANY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EXIT FROM MOODY GARDENS AND SLEDDER BOMB, THOSE AREAS GET REALLY HIGH TRASH.
SO IF WE COULD, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, LET'S LOOK AT ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE.
WE JUST NEED MAKE SURE WE STAY IN PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT THIS IS SHAPED WHILE BARBARA'S WHERE IT IS IN PUBLIC, RIGHT AWAY.
RIGHT. IT IS WHERE SHE'S TALKING.
YES. AND THAT THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT ADDING FLOWER BASKETS AND WHATNOT, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT TO PUBLIC PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I DIDN'T MENTION, EMPHASIZE IS POWER WASHING THE SIDEWALKS ON A REGULAR BASIS. THAT'S BEEN A REQUEST WE'VE HAD.
IT'S SO LONG A LONG TIME DOWNTOWN.
THOSE ARE GOOD RAINY DAY PROJECTS, TOO.
WHEN YOU SAY DOWNTOWN, WE'RE LOOKING AT STRAND.
OK, YOU WENT TO LOOK AT THAT AREA.
WELL, WE ALREADY DOING SOME MAINTENANCE DOWN THERE, BUT WE CAN'T EXPAND IT IF NECESSARY.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PULL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DOWN MARKET STREET, DOWN FROM TWENTY EIGHTH STREET.
IF THAT'S LOOKING IT IS, IT'S BECOMING.
HAVE A PART OF A FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS.
WE CURRENTLY CHARGE FOR PARKING DOWNTOWN.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF LETTING TOURIST PAY FOR THINGS THAT MAKE THIS A NICER PLACE TO LIVE. AND THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT.
WELL, DON'T HAVE ISSUES BY CITIZENS, TOO.
ABSOLUTELY. BUT HAVING THE MAJORITY GREAT MAJORITY OF PARKING REVENUE COMES FROM VISITORS . NOT A LOT OF PARKING DOWNTOWN.
I ACTUALLY GO INTO THE APP AND PAY FOR IT.
SO, DAVID, CURRENTLY WE'RE THERE.
I'M SORRY, WILLIAM. NO, NO, NO, NO GO FOR IT.
DID YOU GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS? YEAH. SO WHEN WE.
JUST ONE MORE, SO I WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO THAT.
SO MOST OF THIS IS GOING TO BE COVERED BY THE INCREASE IN PARKING FEES.
CORRECT. THE IDEA WAS TO COVER ALL OF IT, OK, BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN PARKING FUNDS TO POLICE OFFICERS, GREAT DEAL WITH MARSHAL'S OFFICE CURRENTLY IS.
DOWNTOWN PARKING IN ONE OF MY GOALS IS TO HAVE INCREASED MARSHALS PRESENCE, BOTH DOWNTOWN AND A LOT OF HOT SPOTS, MORE IN THE WEST END SO.
WE USED TO SEE A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE] OF GOLF CARTS, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT JUST SOMETIMES IT MAKES ME SMILE.
YES. AND JUST ONE MORE, THAT'S MORE OF A COMMENT.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE CRUISE HOURLY WAGES, YOU KNOW, 15, 36, 16, 12, AND YOU MENTIONED THE CTA THING, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO GIVE.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WE KIND OF LIKE THAT WE OFFER? HEY, IF I WANTED TO GO GET A CTA CERTIFICATION, I CAN NOW BE 16 DOLLARS AN HOUR FROM 15.30. WE DON'T PAY FOR IT.
WE JUST REQUIRE IT. A LOT OF OUR POSITIONS, LIKE OUR TRANSIT OPERATORS INSTEAD.
OK. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ALL OUR PUBLIC FACING EMPLOYEES, POLICE FIRE THESE FOLKS.
AND THEY ALSO DO IT AS PART OF OUR REQUIRED TRAINING.
WE DO IT, FOR [INAUDIBLE], THEY DO IN-HOUSE TRAINING FOR US AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT IS A LOT OF HISTORY AND STUFF.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE SAN ANTONIO CENTRAL PROGRAM IS THESE GUYS ARE ALL TRAINED, SO THEY'RE OUT THERE STREET SWEEPING THE STREET.
THEY'RE CLEARLY PUBLIC EMPLOYEES AND SO THEY COULD ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS OR TRAINED TO SAY, THAT'S THE ELEMENT.
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WE COULD DO SOME COOL THINGS LIKE THE T-SHIRTS THEY WEAR AND THINGS TO REALLY MAKE THEM NOT LOOK LIKE A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE.YEAH. NOW, DAVID, ON THE PARKING, CURRENTLY IT'S SIX DAYS A WEEK.
SO YOU'RE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE PARKING RATE AND TO THEN HAVE A SEVEN DAY A WEEK, SEVEN DAYS IN DISCUSSION WITH DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS.
YOU KNOW, I SAID, WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF IT? ADDING SUNDAY, BECAUSE A LOT OF VISITORS PAY SUNDAY NOW ANYWAY? NOT NOT EVERYBODY, BUT I MEAN A NUMBER OF THEM KNEW, BECAUSE THEY JUST ASSUMED THAT IT'S EVERY DAY. I EVEN OFFERED, YOU KNOW, COULD WE HAVE BEEN FREE MONDAY OR FREE TUESDAY FOR LOCALS? AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S JUST TOO CONFUSING TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, JUST DO IT.
SAME PERIOD OF TIME, ALL WEEK LONG, THE RISE IN THE COST NOT ONLY FUNDS THIS PROGRAM, IT CORRECTS AN OVERSIGHT, A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE'VE HAD THIS RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S A DOLLAR SEVENTY MINUS THE TAX.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO, WE DISCOVERED WE HAD TO PAY SALES TAX ON THIS.
AND SO OUR NET OFF OF THAT SUDDENLY DROPPED LIKE A DOLLAR FIFTY FOUR, A DOLLAR FIFTY FIVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I SAID, LET'S RAISE IT TO TWO DOLLARS PLUS TAX.
AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ACCOUNTING RUNS, DON SUGGESTED JUST MAKE IT TWO AND A QUARTER BECAUSE THE TAX GETS DRAGGED OUT OF THAT ESSENTIALLY BEFORE THE [INAUDIBLE] PAYS US.
IT ALSO COVERS THE ADDITIONAL TRANSACTION FEES.
SO AND RIGHT NOW, THE MAJORITY OF YOUR DOWNTOWN PARKING MONEY IS PAYING FOR THE DOWNTOWN POLICE PATROLS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH HAVE BEEN HIGHLY, HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
I'VE GET TONS OF FEEDBACK FROM OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES THAT REALLY APPRECIATE HAVING AN OFFICER THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THEIR STORE EVERY DAY THAT KNOWS THE PEOPLE.
THEY ACTUALLY MOST OF THEM CALL HIM DIRECTLY OR HER, DEPENDING ON WHO'S WORKING THAT DAY.
THEY CALL THEM DIRECTLY WHEN THEY HAVE NOT EMERGENCY NEEDS.
BUT HEY, THERE'S I GOT AN ISSUE.
THERE'S A STRANGE GUY, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, OR THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT FELL OR SOMEBODY, WHATEVER ELSE. SO IT WORKED.
IT HAS BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL.
YEAH, PRETTY MUCH THE JUST SOME COMMENTS, DAVID I HAD.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S SO IT'S BEEN NEEDED FOR YEARS DOWN THERE AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING OUT A WAY TO GET THIS DONE AND NOT TAPPED INTO THE BUDGET IN ANY WAY.
A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, I THINK BE READING THIS INCORRECTLY. WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE TWO FORTY FIVE AN HOUR.
WELL THEY HAD THE 20 CENTS FOR THE TRANSACTION FEE INTO IT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO AND A QUARTER.
WELL, WE ABSORBED THE TRANSACTION AND THE TWO AND THE QUARTER WE ABSORBED THE [INAUDIBLE]. THAT WAS THE INTENT.
THAT WAS A TOTAL OF 225 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE 170 THAT'S CHARGED.
I THINK WE'RE ABSORBING THE TRANSACTION FEE AND I'M PRETTY SURE.
LET'S ME JUST MAKE LET'S MAKE SURE THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ IT.
WELL, LET'S BE SURE THAT'S WHAT WE COME BACK WITH.
YES, IT IS ERRONEOUSLY INCLUDED THE 20 CENTS.
IT'S A TOTAL OF TWO AND A QUARTER, RIGHT? YES. AND THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ON THAT? LET'S SEE. YOU HAVE SUNDAYS FROM ELEVEN TO SIX, AND THE REGULAR WEEKDAYS ARE THE OTHER DAYS ARE TEN TO SIX, IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT? I WOULD JUST KEEP IT ALL THE SAME.
I WOULD. I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
ONE OF THE PUSHBACKS THAT I GOT FROM A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WAS YOU DON'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE CHURCH CROWD.
AND MY MY RESPONSE WAS THERE IS NOT A SINGLE HOUSE OF WORSHIP INSIDE THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. ALL RIGHT.
MARY'S. IS OUTSIDE YEAH. SO WE FIRST PRESBYTERIANS GO TO OUR [INAUDIBLE].
WE DID THAT. I WOULDN'T DISAGREE.
TEN TO SIX. I THINK THE MORE YOU MIX THIS UP, THE HARDER IT GETS HARDER.
GETS THE UNDERSTANDING AND THE KEY TO DOING SUNDAY.
IT MAY BE ONE OF OUR BUSIEST, MAYBE OUR BUSIEST DAY DOWNTOWN, BUT SATURDAY IS A BUSY DAY.
BUT SUNDAYS ARE GREAT SHOPPING DAY FOR VISITORS.
YOU KNOW, THEY COME DOWN, THEY GO TO THE BEACH AND THEN THEY TURN ON SUNDAY.
AND SINCE WE'RE ONLY DOING TEN TO SIX, WE'RE ONLY DOING DAYLIGHT HOURS.
SATURDAY NIGHT DOESN'T MATTER SATURDAY NIGHT.
IT'S A VERY BUSY TIME ON THE STRAND, BUT WE'RE NOT.
WE'RE NOT CAPTURING ANY PARKING REVENUE AND AN INTERESTING THING WE DON'T.
I MEAN, OUR OFFICE FIELDS CALLS FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
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THE BIGGEST THING WE GET IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING ON SUNDAYS, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S THAT MUCH MORE BUSINESS ON SUNDAYS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S FREE.SO ALL THE RESIDENTS PARK IN THE SPOTS AND THEN THE BUSINESSES GET STARVED OUT, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. AND THE EMPLOYEES MORE THAN THE RESIDENTS, IT'S MORE THE EMPLOYEES.
A LOT OF PORT WORKERS KNOW THAT, TOO.
YEAH, THAT'S NEVER THE CRUISES ARE UP AND RUNNING.
THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. WE HAVE MARIE AND JOHN, MARIE.
OK, MY QUESTION IS WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE UTMB AREA THAT DID COME UP BECAUSE THERE'S ONE SYSTEM AND DON ASKED THE QUESTION ARE WE ARE WE INCLUDING THE THE CITY PAID PARKING AROUND NEW UTMB? AND DAN'S RESPONSE WAS WHY WOULDN'T WE? CORRECT? YES, I SEE.
MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT HAVING SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH FRIENDS THAT WERE YELLING OR WHATNOT OR JUST LOOKING AT FAMILIES OR, YOU KNOW, COMING IN.
AND IF YOUR LOVED ONE IS IN THE HOSPITAL FOR 30 DAYS AND YOU CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPOT IN ONE OF THE LOTS, THAT GETS REALLY COSTLY.
A COUPLE OF THINGS UTMB SLOTS ARE ALMOST 50 60 PERCENT EMPTY.
BECAUSE THEY ARE, THEY HAVE DECIDED TO LEAVE MOST OF THEIR PEOPLE WORKING REMOTELY ON A MORE PERMANENT BASIS.
SECOND THING, WHEN WE WORKED WITH UTMB IN THE PAST, THEY PREFER TO DRIVE PEOPLE INTO THEIR GARAGES AND LOTS BECAUSE IT'S A SAFER, IT'S A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR FOR THEIR PATIENTS AND VISITORS.
AND IT ALSO GENERATES REVENUE FOR THEM.
AND THEY'RE OK WITH PEOPLE PARKING IN STREETS AND FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT'S GOING OUT THERE TO VISIT. THIS IS STILL WAY CHEAPER THAN PARKING IN ONE OF THEIR GARAGES.
AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SPACES WE HAVE, BUT IT'S NOT A GREAT NOT IT'S VERY FEW, PRIMARILY AROUND THE FIELDHOUSE AND THINGS, AND THEY REALLY WANT TO CREATE THAT TURN OVER THERE. FIELD HOUSE AND MARKET.
JOHN. SO GET BACK TO THIS YEAR.
SO THE ANNUAL COST FOR LABOR IS GOING TO BE THE 217.
RIGHT? YES, SIR. AND THEN WE'VE GOT KIND OF A ONE TIME COST OF THIS ONE SIXTY-TWO.
THE FORTY THOUSAND WILL BE EVERY YEAR BECAUSE THAT'S TRASH BAGS.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT NUMBER, BUT WE WILL SHOP AROUND, BUT THAT'S VERIFIED.
THAT NUMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AWHILE BACK.
RIGHT. FORTY THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE BAGS.
OH, SORRY, I DON'T. I HAVE THAT.
I WILL GET THAT. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH, RIGHT? AND IT'S NOT DOWNTOWN PARKING.
YEAH. THE DIFFERENCE IS IT'S FAIRLY SMALL.
THE APPROXIMATION WAS THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND INCREASE.
THAT'S REALLY THE THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR ON ON THE TABLE.
IT'S JUST BECAUSE WE WERE EXTRAPOLATING SATURDAY NUMBERS.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT ON SUNDAYS, BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS IN EXISTING NUMBERS TO KNOW THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, AND IT'S ALL IN YOUR QUARTERLY BUDGET REPORT TO. OK, YEAH, I GUESS YOU COULD SORT THROUGH THAT TWO HUNDRED PAGES.
IT'S A SMALL ONE. IT'S A QUARTER MILLION.
OH, THE QUARTER. AND ASK MIKE, HE'LL TELL YOU.
AND HE'LL HAVE THREE PIE CHARTS TO GO ALONG WITH IT AND OURS HERE.
SO THE CREW HERE THAT WERE THAT'S COVERING THE TWO TWO HUNDRED AND SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR. THEY ARE FIVE DAYS A WEEK.
SEVEN WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THE SCREW UP AND WE WILL PROBABLY WORK.
WE ARE GOING TO START JUDGING THE TIME TO WORK.
I DON'T THINK SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING IS THE TIME TO BRING THEM IN.
I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE NOON OR ONE O'CLOCK.
AND WHAT WE KNOW, WE HAVE OUR WALK OR SOMETHING.
WE MIGHT PUSH THEM TO WORK LIKE TWO TO TEN OR SOMETHING, JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF GET SOME OF THAT. AND THEN ON THE DAYS WHEN WHEN THEY OVERLAP AND WE HAVE EVERYBODY WORKING, THOSE WILL BE YOUR PROJECT DAYS.
DO YOUR POWER WASHING YOU LIKE TODAY WOULD BE A GREAT POWER WASH.
RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF CLOUDY OUT OUT THERE.
QUICK QUESTION. YES, IF WE INCREASE THAT AND YOU BRING THAT BACK FOR SUNDAYS 10 TO SIX, HOW MUCH EXACTLY PROJECTING WE'RE BRINGING IN ON EXTRA REVENUE, THEN? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE NOT SURE WE'RE APPROXIMATING SOMETHING.
[INAUDIBLE] THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND.
WE'RE PROBABLY JUST GOING TO ASK OURSELVES IN SEPTEMBER WHAT AT WHAT RATE? IT'S OK.
IT'S JUST PRODUCING BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT AND PAY IT.
NOW, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH IS CURRENTLY [INAUDIBLE] NO, I DON'T.
I WILL GET A REPORT FROM AND THERE'S MORE OF THEM THAT TRY TO.
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THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THE SYSTEM WILL LET THEM.SO THAT'D BE GOOD TO GET A FEW WONKY THINGS, BUT WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE TO TRY TO DO IT BEFORE TIME AND GET THEIR FREE TIME MINUTES.
[LAUGHTER] BEFORE TEN OR EIGHT.
YOU'RE [INAUDIBLE] DAVID ON THESE CREWS.
THEY'RE GOING TO CLEAN THE STREETS AND GUTTERS, THE SIDEWALKS TOO? YES, SIDEWALKS ALSO.
OUR RIGHT AWAY. OH OK, ALL RIGHT AWAY.
NOT STREET SWEEPING. WE HAVE STREET SWEEPERS THAT RUN THERE IN THE [INAUDIBLE].
WE HAD A CONCERN IN THE PAST WITH THOSE THOSE STORES DOWN THERE USING THE PUBLIC CANS AS THEIR. WELL, HERE'S THE THING.
IF WE HAVE PEOPLE DOWN THERE EYEBALLING THIS, IT'S LESS LIKELY TO OCCUR.
OK, WE YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S STILL PEOPLE DOWN THERE USING THOSE AS THEY'RE THESE FOLKS BARBARA'S FOLKS WILL INTERFACE WITH THE MARSHAL.
IF THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE'LL HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS IT'S DIFFICULT.
YOU HAVE THE MARSHALS ALWAYS SAID YOU HAVE TO SEE SOMEBODY DOING IT AND WE DON'T HAVE EYES ON IT ALL THE TIME.
SO IT'S HARD TO MANAGE BECAUSE YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE CELL PHONES, THEY GET PEOPLE LIKE PEOPLE. CLICK THEM GOOD.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN COLLINS.
[3.D. Discussion Of 380 Agreements (M. Hay - 20 Minutes)]
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM THREE, PLEASE, JANELLE 3D DISCUSSION OF 380 AGREEMENTS.COUNCIL, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE IS HERE.
THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO US BY OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR.
SHE'S GOING TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, AND SHE'S LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE. THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT WE MAY NOT MAY NEED TO HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS ON, SO.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. I'VE YOU TODAY IS JUST KIND OF THE BEGINNING CONVERSATION TO SEE WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO AND I CAN COME BACK AND BRING A LITTLE MORE FRAMEWORK TO IT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO EXPAND THIS PROGRAM, AS YOU KNOW, IN MY STAFF REPORT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THREE AGREEMENT IS WIDELY USED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES AND IT'S VERY BROAD. THE DISCUSSION FOR WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THAT IS PRETTY MUCH ENDLESS POSSIBILITIES.
WHEN THE CITY IS BACK IN 2015 DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO DIP OUR TOTAL WATER AND THEN START USING THE 380 AGREEMENT.
WE WE STARTED OUT SLOW AND WE PASS THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS STRICTLY LIMITED TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND MOSTLY IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA WITH LITTLE BIT OF LITTLE ROOM.
SO WE STARTED AGAIN THAT PROCESS.
WE HAD A CURRENTLY THREE THREE EIGHT AGREEMENTS THAT WE'VE EXECUTED THAT WOULD NOT HAVE NOT BEEN APPLIED FOR ANY.
REIMBURSEMENT AND TAXES, AND SO BASICALLY.
WE TAKE EVERYTHING ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
THE CRITERIA FOR OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE PROGRAM TAKES VARIOUS THINGS IN CONSIDERATION REHABILITATION AND CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE.
SO THOSE ARE REIMBURSED UP TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 50 TO 75 PERCENT, I THINK. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
I VIEW IF WE CAN RUN THE PROGRAM TO ALLOW US TO DO MORE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC STRUCTURES, AND WE CAN USE IT AS A TOOL THAT BRINGS OUR BUSINESS ACTIVITY VARIOUS THINGS THAT ALL FALL WITHIN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
NOW THAT KIND OF DUST THAT OFF AND FOUND SOME OBJECTIVES THAT WE CAN AGREE UPON AND START MARCHING FORWARD. SO I WOULD EXPAND BEYOND THE CURRENT AREA.
SO I'D LIKE TO COME BACK WITH SOME FRAMEWORK I'D LIKE TO COME BACK WITH REALLY HOW TO SOME REPORTING TOOLS FOR THESE FOLKS WHO MAY HAVE IT, WHO DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OF THAT PROCESS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TODAY THAT YOU ALL WERE OPEN FOR EXPANDING THE PROGRAM YOU WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT NEW DIRECTIONS.
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SPECIFICALLY, OR JUST LET ME BRING BACK WHAT? LOOK AT THAT BASED UPON THE.WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, I WOULD SAY THIS TOO, ON MICHELE'S BEHALF.
WE HAVE THE 380 AGREEMENTS THAT CURRENTLY ARE ON THE BOOKS.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS WAS NOT REAL ORGANIZED HERE, AND MICHELLE'S BROUGHT THESE TOGETHER AND RESEARCHED THEM AND GOT THEM ALL IN ONE PLACE, AND WE KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH ALL OF THEM.
TWO OF THESE, ONE OF THEM IS TWO OF THESE ARE AD VALOREM TAX INCENTIVES.
ONE OF THEM IS AN AD VALOREM TAX AND A SALES TAX INCENTIVES.
NONE OF THESE THREE HAVE REALLY ACTIVATED THESE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW MICHELLE'S CHECKING INTO.
AND WITH THE RECENT LEGISLATION AT OUR AUSTIN HERE AT OUR LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, WE HAVE TO FILE THESE AND HAVE THOSE LISTED WITH THE STATE.
SO MICHELLE WILL BE DOING THAT JUST TO START THIS OFF.
MICHELLE, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND COUNCIL MAY WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM.
I THINK WE DO NEED TO EXPAND IT IN READING THROUGH THE CURRENT DOCUMENTS THERE.
I NEVER GOT THE FEELING THAT IT WAS ISOLATED AND TO HISTORIC STRUCTURES, IT SAID.
EMPHASIS ON HISTORIC, BUT IT NEVER I NEVER COULD FIND WHERE IT SAYS IT HAS TO BE A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
SO I MAY HAVE JUST NOT CAUGHT IT WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT AGAIN THERE, AND IT KEEPS SAYING THE EMPHASIS ON HISTORIC AND WITH THE GEOGRAPHIC GUIDELINES THERE.
MOST OF OUR STORY RIGHT THERE.
OK. THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS, THIS MAY OPEN A CAN OF WORMS. DO WE NEED TO CONSIDER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES OR IS THIS ISOLATED TO JUST BUSINESS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADVANCEMENT INCENTIVE? I WOULD TELL YOU THAT GIVEN THE CURRENTLY, I'M NOT SAYING YOU SHOULD NEVER DO IT, BUT CURRENTLY GIVEN OUR VOLUME OF WATER TAPS AND SEWER TAPS AND OUR NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS, I DON'T THINK INCENTIVIZING RESIDENTIAL WORK RIGHT NOW IS AT THE TOP OF THE.
I JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PROGRAMS ALREADY THROUGH LANDMARK COMMISSION THAT IS SIMPLY LICKING HIS EYEBROWS. THAT'S WHAT I KNOW.
[LAUGHTER] AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE TWO PROGRAMS THAT FALL UNDER THE PROPERTY CODES THE PROPERTY.
WHEN WE STARTED IN, I THINK TWO THOUSAND, WHICH WAS FOR MORE COMMERCIAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND THEN.
TWENTY FIFTEEN, I BELIEVE WE EXPANDED THAT TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, BUT ONLY THOSE OF HISTORIC NATURE THAT HAD BEEN PART OF THE LANDMARK HAD GIVEN THE DESIGNATION AND AT SOME POINT THE PLAN. WHAT THAT WAS IS THAT WAS GOING TO WORK ITS WAY OUT TOO, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT YOU GET YOU GET YOU GET TO A CRITICAL POINT WHERE.
YOU KNOW, IN THIS MARKET, IF [INAUDIBLE] SITTING THERE [INAUDIBLE] CRAIG, SOMEBODY'S BUYING [INAUDIBLE]. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM THROUGH LANDMARK TURNED OUT TO BE HUGELY SUCCESSFUL.
MORE THAN I EVER THOUGHT AND ANYBODY, I THINK, EVER THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FINE.
I JUST KNEW WE HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION, AND THAT WOULD JUST STAY IN THE PLACE AND WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED WITH THIS AT ALL.
IT'S KIND OF GOING WITH THAT, MICHEL.
AND I DIDN'T SAY RESIDENTIAL, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE IN THE URBAN CORE OF THE OLD PART OF TOWN OF GALVESTON, YOU'VE GOT SO MANY OLD GROCERY STORES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE MARKET, LIKE CAN YOU INCENTIVIZE LIKE MULTI-USE OUT OF THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST SPEAKING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE, ABSOLUTELY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN AN URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING REQUIREMENT. ABSOLUTELY. THOSE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DECIDE ON AND BUILD INTO A PROGRAM. SO.
AND I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SEPARATE PROGRAMS. THEY HAVE ONE THAT IS DIRECTED FOR CORNER STORES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND MAYBE THERE'S A CERTAIN ZONE MIXED LOCATIONAL PROGRAMS THAT MAY BE REALLY SPECIFIC.
SO YOU CAN KIND OF TAKE AND HAVE A MENU, RIGHT? AND THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] GROUPS THAT WE CAN TWEAK AND TARGET THEM AS NEEDED.
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AND I'VE JUST BEEN RESEARCHING ALL WEEKEND AND STUFF, AND I'VE SEEN CITIES THAT THEY'VE BEEN LIKE. HOUSTON HAS A COMPLETE STREET PROGRAM WITH THEIR 380, AND I GUESS THEY USE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INVOLVED ON THAT STREET.THEY PROVIDE INCENTIVES AND THE BUSINESS IN TURN PROVIDES LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING IN THE STREETS AND THINGS LIKE, I FORGOT WHAT EXACTLY THE STREETS ARE.
IS THAT DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR TOOLBOX TODAY WITH THAT? OR IS IT SOMETHING WE COULD WELL SEE? WE HAVE THAT ONE FUND, RIGHT? YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON A FEW THINGS.
OK? AND IT'LL DOVETAIL INTO OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING, LIKE THE LIGHT THE NIGHT PROGRAM. WELL, THAT WAS ONE.
SO WHEN WE TALK 380 AGREEMENTS, THEY COULD BE OF ALL SHAPES AND SIZES, RIGHT? AS LONG AS YOU HAVE, AS LONG AS YOU'RE BEING THE QUALIFICATION, YOU'VE GOT YOUR WHAT AND YOUR WHY AND ALL THAT ESTABLISHED.
BUT IT'S GOT TO BE A LARGER SCALE THING.
IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE TO HAVE PEOPLE INSTALL A MOTION LIGHTS ON THEIR HOUSE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY THERE TO DO THAT, BUT I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD. YEAH, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO DO A STREETSCAPE PROJECT OR SOMETHING, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS ABOUT. YOU CAN SET SOME MINIMUM THRESHOLDS, RIGHT? IF YOU INVEST X, AMOUNT INTO YOUR PROPERTY, WHETHER THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND THEN OK.
IN WHICH YOU WANT TO DO TOO IS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET MORE BENEFIT THAN IT COSTS TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER OUR SIDEWALK AND ALLEY PROGRAM WHERE WE PROVIDE THE LABOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, OR WE PROVIDE THE LABOR MATERIALS THEY PAY FOR THE COST? NO, WE PROVIDE THE LABOR [INAUDIBLE] ABOUT SORRY, SORRY.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT PART OF THIS AGREEMENT WITH THE 380 AGREEMENT WITHOUT [INAUDIBLE]? IT'S NOT REALLY A 380 AGREEMENT.
IT'S JUST A POLICY THAT WE DO.
AND IDC HELPS SUBSIDIZE THAT, AT LEAST ON THE SIDEWALK SIDE.
STREET SUBSIDIZES IT ON THE ON THE PAVING SIDE.
IT'S NOT REALLY A 380 AGREEMENT.
THE BENEFIT OF THE 380 AGREEMENT IS TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT AREN'T REALLY DEVELOPED. AND THEN THE THE INCREASE TAX BASE THAT YOU GET OFF, THAT IT HELPS OFFSET THE COST OF THAT. SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY BRINGS IN SOME REVENUE TO MAKE THAT WORK. I GUESS IF I COULD COMMENT.
GO AHEAD. LET'S HAVE DAVID AND THEN MARIE.
IF I COULD COMMENT. 3D IS ALSO MORE FLEXIBLE THAN [INAUDIBLE] IT HAS, IN SOME WAYS, THE SAME IMPACT, BUT IT DOESN'T TIE US UP FOR 30 YEARS.
IT CAN BE. IT CAN BE MUCH MORE TAILORED, BUT YOU CAN DO A 380 AGREEMENT FOR ONE YEAR, FIVE YEARS, SEVEN YEARS.
YOU COULD DO IT [INAUDIBLE] 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS BECAUSE, WELL, WE GOT ONE OF THE 380S THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW ARE 20 YEARS.
THE THING ABOUT 380S IS YOU CAN DO THEM ON SALES TAX.
THE NICE THING ABOUT 380S, IN MY OPINION, IS THAT WE SET THE CRITERIA FOR WHAT THE ELIGIBILITY OF THE PROGRAM IS.
AND THEN THE STAFF CAN SIT DOWN AND BE FLEXIBLE TO WORK OUT AN INDIVIDUALIZED APPROACH THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THAT PROJECT.
PERSONALLY, THOUGH, WE'VE GOT THREE OF THEM.
YEAH. AND AND NONE OF THEM HAVE COME FORWARD WITH ACTIVATING THIS PROCESS OF GETTING REBATES. AND I'M NOT SURE WHY.
DO YOU KNOW MICHELLE? I THINK IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT CONSTRUCTION IS TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER.
I THINK [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH SOME OF THE THINGS AND SUPPLIES AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT AS WE START THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT I WANT TO DO IS WE'LL HAVE THESE OBVIOUSLY REPORTING REQUIREMENTS NOW FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] WE CAN IMPLEMENT SOME EARLY REPORTS OR QUARTERLY REPORTS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE NEED SO WE CAN KEEP UP IT.
AND I THINK THAT WILL EVEN TRIGGER THE FOLKS WHO HAVE THE 380 AGREEMENTS, I NEED TO MEET THESE MILESTONES BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT COMMUNICATING THAT, THAT MAY BE IN THE BACK OF THEIR MIND, THEY'RE NOT THINKING OOPS.
WELL, I JUST MISSED, YOU KNOW, MY ABILITY TO EVEN FULFILL THIS.
YEAH. AND SOME OF THESE LIKE LIKE FALSTAFF, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S MAINLY BASED ON AD VALOREM TAXES, THEIR AD VALOREM TAXES MIGHT NOT HAVE GONE UP THAT MUCH.
[INAUDIBLE] BUT IT'S GOT IT'S GOT TO REGISTER ON THE TAX ROLL.
RIGHT? YEAH. SO YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT HIS TAXES AND SEE IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY GONE UP TO PAY BACK HIM FOR.
AND THE TIMING OF IT. A LOT OF IT WITH FALSTAFF.
HE CAME IN AND GOT THE 380 AGREEMENT AFTER HE'D ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THE WORK, SO THERE WASN'T A LOT TO QUALIFY.
OPEN HOTEL THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
A HOTEL AND A RESTAURANT WILL TRIGGER MORE OF THIS.
YOUR HAND UP. WELL, IT WAS JUST IN REFERENCE TO I MEAN, I STILL DON'T THINK TIRZ ARE A BAD IDEA OR PEDS OR WHATNOT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT THAT IF THERE'S AREAS THAT DO MAKE SENSE AND YOU DON'T
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HAVE TO DO A 30 YEAR AGREEMENT.YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO IT TWENTY YEAR AGREEMENT.
A TWENTY FIVE PERCENT TO 10 YEARS I MEAN, THEY ARE STILL A VERY GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.
WHAT WERE THOSE AGAIN? TIRZ. THE TOOLS IN THE TOOLBOX.
SO WHAT WILL BE NICE IS KNOWING, OK, THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
WE CAN BRING I CAN BRING TO THE TABLE IF WE'VE GOT A PARTICULAR PROJECT OR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO BE DIFFERENT IN SOME WORLD.
THE ONLY THING THAT WILL MAKE SENSE FOR SOME COULD BE AD VALOREM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SALES TAX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN OBVIOUSLY.
THERE'S SOME DIFFERENCES BETWEEN 380 AND TIRZ.
WITH 380 AGREEMENT ALLOWS THE BUILDING DEVELOPER OR THE ACTUAL WORKER, IT ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE 380 THAN A TIRZ.
A TIRZ IS ONLY FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, WHERE THE 380 AGREEMENT ALLOWS FOR INVESTMENT IN PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.
AND I THINK THAT'S I THINK MARIE BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD POINT ON THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TIRZ PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE RUN INTO THAT QUOTE, SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FEELS A CONCERN REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY THE CITY SET IT UP.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT THE DEVELOPERS OUT THERE TO WORK WITH WHATEVER THE CITY OFFERS, AND I THINK HAVING THESE MULTIPLE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX AND STRETCHING [INAUDIBLE].
YOU DON'T SELL YOURSELF TO CHEAP AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
YEAH. A LOT OF THESE TIRZ WERE SET UP AND WE BASICALLY GAVE AWAY THE FARM.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE TIRZ IS A BAD THING.
IT'S JUST THOSE WERE POORLY NEGOTIATED.
NOW WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS HANDLING THIS ON STAFF.
IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY.
SO WE HAVE HISTORY OF SOME OF THEM WORKING VERY WELL.
SO SHARON, I'M SORRY, WE GOT OFF TRACK.
I'M LISTENING. I'M LEARNING BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL ME ABOUT TIRZ.
IS IT AN ACRONYM OR? [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN ONE OF THESE THREE WHO DIDN'T RECEIVE THAT.
RIGHT. MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THIS BOUNDARY THAT SET YOUR STREET WISE BECAUSE I'M ASKING THE QUESTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND TO HAVE BETTER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE DISTRICT, IT'S GOT TO GO PAST THIS TWENTY SEVENTH STREET. THAT'S EXACTLY MY INTENT.
SO WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE THAT FURTHER.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN THE COMMUNITY, BUYING UP PROPERTY AND DOING THEIR THING.
BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME A FEW BUSINESS OWNERS THERE WITH THAT WHO NEEDS THIS AS WELL.
SO AS THIS, CAN WE EXPAND THAT.
YES, THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS WE WANT TO DO ACROSS THE ISLAND.
WE SHOULDN'T BE LIMITED, IN MY OPINION, WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
THIS WAS JUST BABY STEPPING INTO THIS 380 GRANT BACK IN 2016 BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IT HAD BEEN DONE.
WHAT STARTED IT IN 2016, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, IT STARTED OUT WITH INCENTIVIZING FOR BUILDINGS THAT HAD IRON FACADES.
THAT WAS YOUR HISTORIC BUILDING STANDARD.
THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT AND WHY WE KIND OF GOT INTO THOSE GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES, SHARON.
IF IT'S A GOOD THING, IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY AND IT'S HOW IT'S MANAGED JUST BECAUSE WE OPEN THE BOUNDARIES THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU DO IT ALL OVER THE ISLAND BECAUSE EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT IS GOING TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND YOU DECIDE WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE OR NOT.
YEAH, EXACTLY. WELL, IS DOWNTOWN MOVING FURTHER WEST OR IS DOWNTOWN STILL LIMITED BY TWENTY FIFTH STREET.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT GO ALL THE WAY TO TWENTY EIGHT ALL THE WAY TO 30.
SO IF SOMEONE IS INTERESTED IN THIS, THEN WE CAN [INAUDIBLE]..
AND THEN THESE STREET BOUNDARIES HERE CAN BE IGNORED.
THEY CAN STILL APPLY FOR [INAUDIBLE].
NO, I WOULD THINK NORTH SIDE OF BROADWAY BY THE JUSTICE CENTER ON DOWN TO STRAND AREA.
RIGHT? WELL, WE HAD THAT IN THE TIRZ.
BUT REMEMBER, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] IS WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES THE PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT, WHICH IS SLOWER TO COME IN SALES TAX INCREMENT.
AND THEN THAT JUST FORCES INVESTMENT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
FOR THE MOST PART, WHEREAS THESE 380 AGREEMENTS ACTUALLY ALLOWS INVESTMENT IN THE
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PROPERTIES THEMSELVES, WHICH IS REALLY LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO REALLY PUSH TO DO SOME THINGS ON WEST MARKET, PROBABLY NOT A GOOD USE OF TIRZ MONEY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY FIXED THE STREET ALL UP. WE'VE ALREADY PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN THE PAPERS AND THE RAMPS AND THE LIGHTS. WE'VE DONE THE PUBLIC WORK AND THAT'S GETTING SOME THAT'S GETTING SOME TRACTION THERE. BUT IF WE WANTED TO MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT FASTER, YOU COULD DO 380 AGREEMENTS WITH PEOPLE IN THERE TO FIX UP SOME OF THE BUILDINGS.A GOOD EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE BUILDING THAT RECENTLY VACATED BY GIPSY JOINT.
THE BUILDING NEEDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK TO MAKE IT, WHICH IS WHY THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S AN OLD BUILDING. I UNDERSTAND THE OWNER A GOOD GUY.
AT SOME POINT YOU HIT A POINT.
I CAN'T DO THIS, YOU KNOW? IS HE LOCAL? I BELIEVE SO.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF HE LIVES HERE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE CONTROVERSIAL IS JUST DOING A 380 AGREEMENT JUST ON ANY OLD RENOVATION, THOUGH.
WELL, NO. BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE, IT WOULD YOU WOULD TIE IT TO SALES TAX.
AND ARE YOU ARE WE SETTING SOME ZONES AND SOME BOUNDARIES SPECIFICALLY TO BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE SAY, OK, WE'LL LOOK AT ANYTHING ACROSS THE ISLAND IF IT'S THE RIGHT PROJECT, BUT IF WE KNOW THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC HOT ZONES AND COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WANT TO SEE REALLY DEVELOPMENT AND THEN YOU CAN TAILOR THAT, WELL, WE MIGHT DO X AMOUNT A LITTLE EXTRA HERE.
THAT'S RIGHT IN THIS AREA VERSUS IF YOU DID SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I'M A HUGE FAN OF INCENTIVIZING SALES TAX.
I'M LESS OF A FAN IN DOING THIS WITH PROPERTY TAX JUST BECAUSE IT ALL IT ALL FACTORS INTO THIS FORMULA THAT MIKE [INAUDIBLE] DOES IS THIS LONG.
YOU COME OUT WAY AHEAD DOING IT FOR SALES TAX, IN YOUR VIEW.
AND SO, SO DOES THE BUSINESS FOR THAT MATTER.
YEAH, UNLESS THERE'S AREAS OF TOWN THAT WE WANT TO SEE REDEVELOPED AND WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE GOING INTO THE AREA OF TOWN TO DO THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF TOWN THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO INCENTIVIZE ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING. THEY'RE DOING IT NOW AND IT'S LOOKING GREAT.
BUT THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT NEED SOME HELP, AND THESE TOOLS ARE GREAT, GREAT TOOLS TO USE. THIS BUSINESS ATTRACTION GOES.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ATTRACTING A COMPANY OR BUSINESS DOWN HERE, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE JOB CREATION OR THE AVERAGE SALARY AND WHAT ALL THOSE ENTAIL.
AND IF IT HELPS US MEET A GOAL TO ENRICH THE CITY, THAT.
AND THERE'S TWO TYPES OF PEOPLE.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THIS MONEY.
THEN THERE'S PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO SHOP FOR INCENTIVES AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WILL COME IN AND THEY'LL LOOK AT THIS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M DOING IT ANY WAY. I DON'T NEED THIS.
BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS MANY JOBS.
YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS, BUT YOU GET TO WHICH IS GREAT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE FAST AND LOOSE WITH ANY TYPE OF INCENTIVE.
THAT'S THAT'S THE PEOPLE'S MONEY.
AND THAT'S WHY THESE PEOPLE GET THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN.
AND BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT OVER THE PAST COMPANIES WE LOST BECAUSE OTHER CITIES INCENTIVIZE THEM.
CORRECT. SO I MEAN, IT'S TIME THAT WE STEPPED ON, STEPPED INTO THE GAME.
MICHELLE, I THINK YOU HAVE DIRECTION.
ON THIS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO RE EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING DEADLINES AND CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THESE 380 AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD INCENTIVIZE THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DEADLINES ARE MET AND SO FORTH.
[INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD ABOUT THAT, TOO, IS THAT MIKE LOFTON CAN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, MIKE LOFTON CAN PROGRAM THOSE POSSIBLY IN TO THE BUDGET.
WELL, THAT ONE'S COMING OUT AND THE FORECAST IN THERE X AMOUNT.
YES. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I TALK ABOUT LIKE OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, THESE THINGS WEREN'T A EVEN DEAL WHEN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM WAS CREATED.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT OUR NEW FINANCIAL SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE.
MONITORING IS GOING TO BE KEY.
WE KNOW SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES HAVE BEEN BITTEN BY THIS, BY NOT WATCHING.
MORE CITIES HAVE BEEN BITTEN, IT IS FOR SURE.
YEAH, IT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT, MICHELLE.
THANK YOU. THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD DISCUSSION.
I APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR TIMELINE ON WHEN YOU WANT TO BRING THIS BACK AND LOOK FORWARD WITH THAT.
YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS YOU WANT TO SEND TO ME IN THE MEANTIME, FEEL FREE MIC]. [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU, MICHELLE.
VERY GOOD. JANELLE, COULD YOU READ 3E?
[3.E. Discuss The Expiration Of Ordinance No. 22-005 Requiring Virtual Meetings For Certain City Boards, Commissions, And Committees (Brown - 10 Minutes)]
3E DISCUSS THE EXPIRATION OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 22-005 FOR TO DEFINE VIRTUAL MEETINGS FOR CERTAIN CITY BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES.COUNCIL, I ASKED JANELLE TO PLACE THIS ON HERE AND I, AS YOU MAY KNOW, AND FEBRUARY 1ST, WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE TO HAVE VIRTUAL MEETINGS FOR OUR COMMISSIONS, BOARDS AND
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COMMITTEES UNTIL MARCH 1ST.MY PERSONAL FEELING IS I'M GOING TO LET THAT EXPIRE, AND ON MARCH FIRST, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS AND GETTING BACK TO AS CLOSE AS NORMAL AS WE CAN.
I WANTED TO BRING THAT IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A BURNING DESIRE THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, THAT CAN OPEN SOME DISCUSSION.
BUT PERSONALLY, I'M GOING TO LET THAT EXPIRE UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS OTHER FEELINGS ON THAT.
CAN WE TALK ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] BUT CAN WE CAN WE THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN ALLOW COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO CONTINUE TO ZOOM IN? I KNOW I'VE GOTTEN A NUMBER OF REQUESTS THAT THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO SO BECAUSE THE WE COULDN'T DO IT OURSELVES HERE. OPEN MEETINGS AND SO FORTH.
THE STATE LAW? AM I CORRECT? YES. BUT THE BEHAVIOR OF COMMITTEES AND SO FORTH IS BY ORDINANCE.
WE BY ORDINANCE WE REQUIRE THEM TO CONFORM TO THE SAME RULES AS COUNCIL.
BUT WE COULD MODIFY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE MODIFIED IT SOMEWHAT.
I MEAN, WE EXEMPTED TWO OR THREE COMMITTEES FROM THIS ORDINANCE AS IT WAS.
I DON'T THINK THEY WERE EXEMPT. I THINK THEY WERE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED.
STRUGGLED TO GET VOLUNTEERS FOR A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
IF YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR POOL A LITTLE BIT BY DOING THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
[INAUDIBLE] IS JUST MORE COSTLY.
IT IS, AND IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO HEAR IF YOU'RE WATCHING ON FACEBOOK.
LIKE I DO THE BAY AREA, HOUSTON MARITIME WHATNOT MEETING, AND THEY'VE KEPT IT HYBRID BECAUSE THE DRIVE AN HOUR TO GO TO A MEETING FOR AN HOUR.
YOU CAN HEAR AND SEE EVERYONE.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE.
YES, SIR. WHAT MEETINGS CAN WE NOT DO THAT ON.
IDC. YES, THOSE TYPES OF STATUTORY COMMITTEES AS WELL.
WHY DID YOU, YOU INCLUDED LANDMARK IN THAT LIST, BUT WE DIDN'T EXEMPT THEM.
WE DIDN'T EXEMPT THEM THIS TIME.
WE DID NOT EXEMPT FROM [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.
SO WHEN WE WERE TECHNICALLY BREAKING STATE LAW BY ALLOWING MY ZONING BOARD, WELL WE WERE. ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO DO REMOTELY, THEY HAD THE SAME ISSUE THAT JANELLE WAS TALKING ABOUT TODAY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE SPEAK UP.
AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO FELT LIKE THEY GOT A REALLY BAD DEAL BECAUSE NO ONE COULD EVEN HEAR THEM TALKING.
SO WHEN WE WERE ALREADY OPERATING AND NOT THE PROPER WAY, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GIVE THOSE FOLKS A CHANCE TO COME BACK? WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC COMMITTEE, AND I USUALLY SEE THOSE COMMITTEES WHENEVER THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A TECHNICAL PROBLEM, WE'VE HAD THE APPLICANT OR IF ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WEREN'T ABLE TO TO PRESENT THEIR POINT OF VIEW, BUT TYPICALLY THE APPLICANT HAD DIFFICULTY ZOOMING IN THAT WE'VE OFFERED THEM TO COME BACK AND WE'VE DONE THAT WITH ALL THE COMMITTEES.
SO UNLESS THERE'S A SPECIFIC SITUATION, WE CAN DISCUSS IT AFTER THIS WORKSHOP THAT YOU CAN POINT ME TO. I CAN REVIEW THE MEETING BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL RECORDED AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING FURTHER THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY APPLICANTS THAT HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD.
I'LL LOOK BACK ON MY PHONE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS ONE THAT NOBODY COULD HEAR HIM.
SO NOBODY EVER GOT TO HEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL LIKE, WHAT? WHAT? [INAUDIBLE] REVIEW IT AND REVIEW IT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
I MEAN, I LIKE HAVING THE ABILITY TO ZOOM INTO A MEETING, BUT I GUESS CAN WE GET A LIST ON WHAT COMMITTEES WE CAN DO THAT ON AND WHAT WE CAN'T? AND I WOULD AGREE BECAUSE THE OPEN MEETING ACT, I MEAN, SHE KNOWS.
I CAN DO THAT. I'LL COMPILE A LIST.
BUT IF A COMMITTEE HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE
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OPEN MEETINGS ACT. CORRECT. THAT'S STATE LAW.OTHER COMMITTEES HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC CITY ORDINANCE RELATED TO THAT COMMITTEE THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
SO WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME SPECIFIC ORDINANCES RELATED TO DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.
IF YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THE VIRTUAL OPTION.
WITHIN THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW, WHAT ARE WE NOT COMPLYING WITH WHEN WE DO IT BY ZOOM? YOU CAN'T DO VIRTUAL.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS YOU'VE HAD TRUE. IT CAN BE.
BUT BUT THERE'S POSTING REQUIREMENTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.
AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
IT LIMITS THE NUMBER YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM IN PERSON.
THE COMMITTEE HAS TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE LOCATION.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ATTEND VIRTUAL, WE HAVE TO POST IT ON THE AGENDA SEVENTY TWO HOURS PRIOR THAT'S STATE LAW.
BUT IN A LOT OF CASES ON THESE COMMITTEES, IN JOHN PAUL'S INSTANCE, IF YOU'RE AN EX OFFICIO NON-VOTING MEMBER, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY REASON AT ALL YOU COULD ZOOM IN BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT VOTING. SURE.
RIGHT? YEAH. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH, YEAH. DIFFERENT LIGHTING.
[LAUGHTER] I MEAN, I LIKE THE ABILITY.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY LETS MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THESE MEETINGS BY BY HAVING THESE VIRTUAL MEETINGS, THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEM.
AND SO BUT I LIKE IN-PERSON MEETINGS AS WELL.
SO IF WE COULD DO A HYBRID AND IF WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL FOLLOWING OPEN MEETINGS LAWS, THEN IT'S A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.
BECAUSE IT DOES, IT CERTAINLY DOES ALLOW A LEVEL OF PARTICIPATION THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE. NO. AND WE GET A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I'M PARTICIPATING WITH MEETINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN HOUSTON REPRESENTING THE CITY, AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M ON THAT FLOODPLAIN MEETING, AND WE DIDN'T.
IF THEY DIDN'T ALLOW IT, I'D BE DRIVING TO NORTH OF THE WOODLANDS I'D LOSE A WHOLE DAY.
AND IF WE DO THAT WITH [INAUDIBLE], I USED TO DO THAT HVAC.
YOU'D DRIVE UP THERE AND THE MINUTE WOULD BE 15 MINUTES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE UNDERSTAND OPEN MEETINGS GOVERN SOME OF THOSE THAT GOVERNS THE VIRTUAL MEETING REQUIREMENT, BUT THOSE THAT ARE GOVERNED BY ORDINANCE.
I THINK COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT [INAUDIBLE].
AND IF I'M A BETTING MAN, I BET IN FUTURE SESSIONS, THIS GETS ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, COVID FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE CHANGED EVERYBODY'S HABITS, AND IT'S ALSO CHANGED HOW WE DO BUSINESS.
AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO IT [INAUDIBLE] THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.
BEFORE PEOPLE WERE LEERY ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] BUT WE DO NEED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO IT A LITTLE BETTER SINCE LIKE THAT ONE INSTANCE WHERE I COULDN'T BE SEEN ON SCREEN AND I WASN'T HERE FOR MEDICAL REASONS AND MY ADDRESS WAS POSTED.
SO AND THAT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO DO.
CORRECT? AND GETTING A BETTER SYSTEM IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO.
WE'VE BEEN IN SUCH A STATE OF FLUX THAT BEFORE WE INVESTED IN THAT, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNTS ALL DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO, WE COULD CERTAINLY TASK OUR IT DEPARTMENT TO START LOOKING AT THOSE OPTIONS.
THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN SOLVED BY JUST PUTTING HER SCREEN BECAUSE SHE COULD SEE ME. I COULD SEE YOUR PICTURE.
WELL, I THINK YOU GOT YOU UNDERSTAND OUR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND YOU'LL BRING THAT BACK TO US PROBABLY WOULD HELP US.
I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT TO DO, BRING IT BACK AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
BOTTOM LINE HERE THIS ORDINANCE IS EXPIRING FOR MARCH FIRST.
SO PEOPLE LISTENING HERE CAN HEAR THAT.
THAT IS CORRECT. WE'RE BACK TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
HOW WE DO THAT. YEAH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE IN EFFECT TILL APRIL.
CORRECT. SO WELL, IT WOULD BE AT OUR MARCH MEETING.
BUT I MEAN, WELL, THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3F, PLEASE.
[3.F. Report Of City Council's Park Board Representative (Collins/Brown - 10 Minutes)]
3F CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE.DAVID, THANK YOU. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THE THINGS THAT [INAUDIBLE] ALSO ENGAGED IN. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE ARCH IN FRONT OF THE [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S WERE THE DRIVE BOTH DAY AND NIGHT [INAUDIBLE] COOPERATION BETWEEN VISIT GALVESTON, THE NEW OWNERS OF THE TREMONT, WHO ARE REAL INTERESTED IN PLAYING DOWNTOWN.
THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB DOWN AT THE DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP AND MITCHELL CORPORATION,
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[INAUDIBLE] AND SO IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.DAYTIME AND NIGHTTIME LIGHTS ARE ALL WORKING THEY GOT IT DONE IN TIME FOR MARDI GRAS, SO IT'S A GREAT SHOWPIECE DOWNTOWN.
I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK, AND THAT'S REALLY ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO REPORT [INAUDIBLE]. AND I'M JUST GOING TO INTERJECT WITH YOUR REPORT.
LOOK FOR THE DRONES ON JULY 4TH.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LINK TO TO SOME OF THOSE.
AND EVERYBODY THAT SAID SOMETHING TO ME, I'VE SAID IT TO THEM, AND THEIR ONLY RESPONSE TO ME IS, WOW.
THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I WILL SAY PARK BOARD VOTED ON TUESDAY TO.
AND I LOVE FIREWORKS, BY THE WAY.
BUT THIS IS GO WITH A DRONE SHOW.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE WANT TO BUY IT NOW, BUT WE'RE LIKE, LET'S SEE HOW THIS WORKS. LET'S MAKE SURE THIS WORKS.
THEY ASSURE US THAT IT'S AS HIGH AS FIREWORKS CAN OPERATE.
AMAZING. HONG KONG HARBOR HAS BEEN DOING ONE THAT'S BEEN LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
YOU CAN DO THIS. YOU CAN DO IT.
YOU CAN. SPONSORSHIPS, YOU CAN WELCOME PEOPLE TO GALVESTON.
YOU CAN WELCOME GROUPS TO GALVESTON.
GIVE ME SOMETHING TO DO DURING THE SUMMER WEEKENDS.
YEAH, THIS IS A THOUSAND DRONE SHOW.
[INAUDIBLE] THE MOST IMPRESSIVE THING IS THE DRONES FORM A QR CODE IN THE SKY.
YOU TAKE A PICTURE OF THE QR CODE AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE MUSIC OR TO YOUR SPONSOR SITE OR WHATNOT. IT'S VERY COOL, AND IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE A DRAW FOR THE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THIS PLACE IS DOING IS THEY'RE DOING ONE ON THE A&M CAMPUS AND ONE IN TARRANT COUNTY [INAUDIBLE] THOSE ARE THE ONLY PLACES IN THE STATE WE KNOW OF THAT THEY'RE DOING IT.
IT'S GOING TO BE JUST TREMENDOUS PROMOTIONAL.
IT'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS SHOW AND TO SHOW YOU ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY.
THIS IS COSTING THE PARK BOARD ABOUT NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS.
JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE SAME SHOW WAS ABOUT 300 SOMETHING.
AND SO THE TECHNOLOGY IS BRINGING THAT PRICE DOWN.
YEAH, YEAH. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.
WE WILL MEET AGAIN AT FIVE P.M.
[INAUDIBLE].
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.