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I ACTUALLY CAME WITH PAPER, AND NOW I CAN'T FIND IT.OK, WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING THIS FEBRUARY EIGHT MEETING OF THE PLANNING
[1. Call Meeting to Order]
COMMISSION WORKSHOP TO ORDER.ATTENDANCE, ALL ARE IN ATTENDANCE, EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER EDWARDS.
[2. Attendance]
COMMISSIONERS, DOES ANYONE HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THIS ONE TOPIC AGENDA? SEEING NONE.WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. OUR DISCUSSION ITEM IS A REVIEW OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON CONCESSION
[4. Discussion Items]
REGULATIONS AND MR. LUNSFORD, YOU WILL LEAD US IN THIS DISCUSSION AND WOULD YOU LEAD US OFF? PLEASE, SIR? SURE.I THINK WHAT IT MIGHT DO IS JUST START WITH THE LITTLE POWERPOINT, JUST THREE SLIDES, BUT THINK I'LL SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN PROVIDING YOU WITH A RUNNING KIND OF NARRATIVE IN THE MEMOS OF WHAT'S BEEN DECIDED AND DISCUSSED THAT YOU HAVE THAT TO, UH, TO REFERENCE AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE.
ARE YOU IN CONTROL OF THAT? ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, BRIEF SUMMARY WORKSHOPS TO DATE, OF COURSE, WE GOT STARTED OFF WITH INPUT FROM CONCESSION OWNERS.
THAT WAS WAY BACK IN JULY OF 2020 NOW.
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE IT WAS THAT LONG AGO.
OF COURSE, WE HAD MULTIPLE, UH UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH CURRENT COMMISSION AND SOME PAST MEMBERS WHO ARE NO LONGER ON COMMISSION THROUGHOUT THE LAST YEAR AND SOME IN THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS ON THE LAST WORKSHOP, WHICH WAS ON JANUARY THE 4TH.
THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A DRAFT REGULATION FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK AT, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSED DISCUSSION THAT WAS, OF COURSE, OR THE DRAFT CONCESSION REGULATIONS, AS PRESENTED IN THE MEMO.
THERE WAS ALSO A THERE'S A SECOND DRAFT OF THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION APPLICATION FOR REVIEW. COMMISSIONER BROWN HAD MENTIONED A FEW THINGS THAT WERE LEFT OFF.
WE'VE GOT ONE OUTSTANDING QUESTION THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU.
THIS WAS BROUGHT UP IN A STAFF DISCUSSION, AND THAT IS THAT WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY DISCUSSED PUSHCARTS.
SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE QUICK HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT FOR THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT. MAYBE THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANTICIPATED DATE FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH AND COMMENT.
THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION MORE THAN ONCE ABOUT GETTING THE CONCESSION OWNERS AND, OF COURSE, THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ONE MORE TIME AND THEN THE ANTICIPATED DATE TO PRESENT A FINAL PRODUCT TO COUNCIL.
SO THOSE ARE YOUR REALLY THE THE FIVE REALLY FIVE THINGS I MISLABELED.
THERE'S TWO THREE, BUT THERE ARE FIVE THINGS OF THE TWO THREE THREE FOUR FIVE, IT'S [INAUDIBLE] I WAS GOING TO SAY I WAS ABOUT TO MAKE THAT CHOICE.
I DO IT FIRST, NO ONE ELSE COULD DO IT.
YES. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE MONEY TO BUY ICE CREAM.
OK. THAT'S HOW MY HUSBAND HAS MONEY FOR EVERYTHING.
IT'S THE AGGIE MAN. SO, SO ON MY LIST OF THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT THAT WAS GOING TO DO THING I THINK WAS YOU'RE GOING TO REVISIT THE PARKING LOT THINKING I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO DID HAVE A PARKING LIMITATION AND COORDINATE WITH THE FIVE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER WITH GISD. AND I THINK HE DID THAT, ALL OF THAT.
ON BACKGROUND CHECKS, I THINK WE DECIDED NOT TO DO THEM BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A WAY OF THERE WAS NO CONSEQUENCE.
THAT'S RIGHT. AND ICE CREAM TRUCKS AGAIN ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM ANY OF THIS.
YEAH, THEY OPERATE UNDER A BUT THEY [INAUDIBLE] THE SAN ANTONIO ORDINANCE DID HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE ICE CREAM TRUCK GUYS.
RIGHT AND STAFF HAS MENTIONED THAT TO LEGAL, TO SEE THAT SOMETHING WANT TO ADD ACCORDINGLY IN BECAUSE THEY THEY INTERACT WITH THE KIDS.
AND IT'S RIGHT. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO HAVE A BACKGROUND CHECK.
I THINK, YEAH, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME ON THE ON THE MAYBE IT GOES ON APPLICATION, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER ONE.
SAN ANTONIO HAD WAS THEY STIPULATED THAT THE PERMIT BE DISPLAYED AND WHERE IT BE DISPLAYED. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO SEARCHING AROUND FOR IT WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO A QUICK INSPECTION.
AND I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THAT WRITTEN IN HERE AS BEING VERY PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED.
BUT ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT TO SAY LIKE EXACTLY WHERE BOB? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE WE HAVE TO DISPLAY OUR SAFETY INSPECTION STICKERS ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE WINDSHIELD.
YOU KNOW, THE SAN ANTONIO ORDINANCE THEY DID, THEY DID A SIMILAR THING SPECIFIES WHERE IT WOULD BE. THEY DON'T GO LOOKING FOR IT.
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GO UP THERE AND CHECK. WHAT I THOUGHT WE MIGHT DO IS JUST GO THROUGH HERE METHODICALLY IF THAT'S OK WITH YOU GUYS.AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, IF WE PLOD THROUGH SYSTEMATICALLY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER EVERYBODY'S POINTS.
DANIEL AND I DID A RUN THROUGH OF THIS YESTERDAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF RUN THE TRAPS BEFOREHAND AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO KIND OF RESEARCH OR ANYTHING BEFOREHAND.
IS THAT OK WITH YOU GUYS? THAT WAY WE COVER EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING YESTERDAY IS ON, FIRST OF ALL, ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT COME UNDER CONCESSION LIMITED USE STANDARDS ADMINISTRATION, THEN THIS LAUNDRY LIST UNDER ADMINISTRATION. AND THE QUESTION I ASKED DANIEL ON THAT WAS, DOES THIS REALLY NEED TO BE IN THE LDR? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SETTING OUR THING OURSELVES UP FOR A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO COME IN AND DO A TEXT CHANGE TO THE LDR ANY TIME WE WANT TO CHANGE THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR THESE, FOR HOW WE DO THESE LICENSES.
AND TELL ME WHAT THE ANSWER IS ON THAT, DANIEL, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT. WELL, I MEAN, ANY ANY CHANGE, EVEN CURRENTLY, IF SOME CHANGE WERE TO BE MADE TO THE CURRENT CONCESSION REGULATION IS THAT'S IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCE.
UM THE LDR ENABLED BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
YOU KNOW, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT GIVES THE LDR OR ITS AUTHORITY.
SO EITHER WAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, ANY CHANGES TO COUNCIL REGARDLESS.
LDR TAKES CHANGES TYPICALLY FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.
NOW, THE OPTION TO PUTTING EVERYTHING IN ADMINISTRATION.
THERE ARE A FEW OTHER LAND USE LAND USES THAT ARE LIKE THIS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WIRELESS TELECOM FACILITIES THEY HAVE THIS ADMINISTRATION SECTION TWO, THERE'S A FEW OTHER LIKE THIS. THE OPTION TO THAT WOULD BE ADMINISTRATION CODE ORDINANCE AND THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SEPARATE FROM THE LDR, AND THAT HAS ITS OWN INHERENT PROBLEMS. SO BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE FLIPPING FROM HERE TO THERE AND HERE TO THERE AND ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF THIS HAS TO EITHER BE ALL LISTED OUT IN THE LDR OR IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, RIGHT? SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A COUNCIL CHANGE AND AN APPROVAL.
NO MATTER HOW WE HOW YOU SLICE IT, THERE'S NO WAY TO NOT HAVE IT SOMEWHERE THAT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. SO I WAS TRYING TO STREAMLINE IT, AND THERE'S NOT A WAY TO STREAMLINE THAT.
THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS IN A1B, THE PART ABOUT SHALL NOT BE PRORATED THAT WAS CONFUSED, CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THESE BEING PRORATED WHEN LIKE IF SOMEBODY CAME IN IN JULY AND AND WANTED TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT THAT WE WOULDN'T CHARGE THEM FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.
SO DANIEL, YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THAT.
RIGHT, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO COVER A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND ON THAT ONE.
AND BECAUSE THE REASON THIS STAFF IS SUGGESTING THAT WE DIAL BACK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT HAS TO DO WITH SEVERAL OTHER CHANGES AND GET DISCUSSED.
SO LIKE I SAY, WE'RE GOING TO COVER A LITTLE BIT OF GROUND HERE.
SO YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT STAFF HAS ALSO SUGGESTED THAT WE DO AWAY WITH THE CONCESSION PARK PERMIT.
YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN HANDLE THAT AS A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON TO MANY OTHER LAND USES.
THE REASON BEING NUMBER ONE, A FEE FOR THE STUPID ZONING COMPLIANCE IS ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS AS OPPOSED TO THE THOUSAND DOLLARS OF THE CONCESSION PERMIT.
THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE DISCUSSION, I THINK, A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WHEN SOMEONE GOES IN THE CONCESSION PARK NOW, THAT THOUSAND DOLLAR FEE THAT THE CONCESSION PARK MANAGER, WHICH IS USUALLY THE LANDOWNER PAYS, IS PROBABLY GETTING PASSED ON TO THE CONCESSIONS.
SO IT'S REALLY A DISINCENTIVE FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, CLUSTER IN PARKS, WHICH IS WHAT COUNCILS KIND OF WANT TO ALL ALONG.
SO BY VASTLY REMOVING THAT HURDLE, IT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES THAT.
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NOW, IF WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING COMPLIANCE FOR CONCESSION PARTS, THAT'S POINT ONE. PUT A PIN IN THAT.THE SECOND THING THAT'S CHANGING IS WE'RE ALLOWING FOLKS TO MOVE AROUND, OK, UP TO THREE LOCATIONS AS LONG AS THEY GIVE US A SCHEDULE, WHICH IS VERY COMMON TO OTHER TEXAS CITIES.
MOST DO THREE TO FOUR LOCATIONS.
THEY ALLOW THEM TO MOVE AROUND.
SO THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. SO STAFF SPOT IS THAT IF YOU HAVE THE PERMITS ALL EXPIRING ON DECEMBER 31ST, AND IF YOU HAVE CONCESSION PARKS THAT ARE NOW JUST A ZONING COMPLIANCE, THERE'S NO OTHER, YOU KNOW, PROCESS FOR THEM.
THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, PERMITS.
THEN WE ANTICIPATE THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY ADD CONCESSION PARKS TO THEIR SCHEDULE LATER, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO WANT SOME SORT OF REFUND, WHICH IS FUNCTIONALLY VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE CITY TO DO.
SO BY SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY PRORATE AFTER ALL, THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY KIND OF ENCOURAGE THE CONCESSION FOLKS TO KIND OF GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND GET THEIR PARKS INTO THEIR SCHEDULE IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT AT THE BEGINNING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SUGGESTING MAYBE LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS AGAIN.
AS I SAID, IF HE'S INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS AND THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO CHANGE AFTER DISCUSSION, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE THINGS FEED INTO OTHER THINGS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. AND MY ONLY THOUGHT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THE PRORATION THING, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR SOMETHING THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE HE MIND THE $500 IS FOR THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
MAYBE AS A FOR THOSE [INAUDIBLE], SO TO SPEAK.
MAYBE WE DO SOME SORT OF MINIMUM FEE, SO IF YOU CAME IN, LET'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO COME RENEW ON JANUARY 1ST BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING HERE FOR THEM TO DO.
RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO ALL KIND OF SHOW UP MEMORIAL.
SO ONE THING I DON'T HOW WE PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT MAYBE YOU JUST HAVE IT WHERE THERE'S A SET. MINIMUM FEE, SURE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM ALL EXPIRING AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT'S WE NEED TO HELP OUR THE MARSHALS OUT...AND DANIEL.
YEAH, ANDY IS GOING TO BE TASKING THESE GUYS.
YEAH. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM AN IMPOSSIBLE JOB TO ENFORCE.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE CONSCIOUS.
YOU KNOW WHERE THIS IDEA CAME FROM WAS FROM OUR LAST MEETING WITH THE VENDORS, THEY BROUGHT IT UP. THAT WAS ONE OF THE VENDORS COMMENTS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY WANTED TO HAVE IT. THEY WANTED TO HAVE IT PRORATED.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A SINGLE DATE OF EXPIRATION.
AND TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT ALL CAME FROM.
RIGHT. SO I'M JUST ANTICIPATING WHEN WE DO THIS MEETING AGAIN, WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT HOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE VENDORS AND EVERYBODY ELSE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE MORE VENDOR MEETING TO GET FEEDBACK BEFORE IT GOES TO THE COUNCIL.
WE'RE CUTTING THEM A BREAK IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THEY'RE GETTING A BREAK IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
RIGHT, DANIEL? I MEAN, CAN IT BE PRESENTED TO THEM LIKE THAT? OH, I THINK SO.
AND I WAS HOPING TO ACTUALLY TOUCH ON THAT, SINCE IT IS, YOU KNOW, RELATED.
WHAT WE'RE ALSO SUGGESTING IS THAT WE GIVE THEM ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE MANY INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO TO PARKS.
WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY TOOLS.
ONE OF THE TOOLS WE DO HAVE IS FEES.
SO STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE KEEP IT FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WORKSHOP, ONE OF THE CONCESSIONAIRES SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS IS FINE.
WE JUST WANT MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
THEY DON'T WANT TO GO ONE SPOT. RIGHT? YES. WELL, THEY HAVE TO PAY AGAIN.
YEAH. TO MOVE TWO BLOCKS DOWN.
YEAH. AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE WELL, WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING TWO IT.
WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] THE FIRST ONE IS THAT IF THEY COME TO US AGAIN IN THE YEAR TO RENEW OR ACTUALLY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, USUALLY WE SHOULD KNOW TO THE CONCESSIONAIRES WHO ARE WATCHING. THIS EXPIRES ON THE 31ST OF DECEMBER.
ANYWAY, THEN WE'RE PROPOSING THAT FOR EVERY PARK THEY HAVE, WE GIVE THEM A DISCOUNT ON THAT FIVE HUNDRED DOLLAR FEE TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK.
SO THAT WAY, NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT GETTING DOUBLE CHARGED FOR BEING IN CONCESSION PARK NOW BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONCESSION PARK FEE ANYMORE, PER SAY, THEY'RE ALSO GETTING A DISCOUNT AS LITTLE INCENTIVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, HEY, GO, YOU'RE YOU KNOW, FOR EVERY ONE OF YOUR LOCATIONS ON YOUR SCHEDULE THAT ARE IN A PARK, WE'LL GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT.
THAT'S A HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS DISCOUNT.
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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S I THINK I LIKE THE WAY THAT'S GOING IN THAT WE REALLY I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GETTING THESE FOLKS IN A PARK.
AND I THINK, IF ANYTHING, IT'S LIKE, HEY, YOU PAY 500 BUCKS FOR FIVE HUNDRED BUCKS, YOU CAN GO STAY IN ANY PARK YOU WANT TO GO PLUG YOUR STUFF IN OVER AT THE SHELL STATION, YOU GOT TO PAY 500 BUCKS, AND THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD BE.
THEY'LL BE PAYING THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS IF THEY GO TO THE CONCESSION PARK, RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET THEY CAN END UP CONCEIVABLY PAYING LIKE A ONCE AGAIN IF YOU HAVE MINIMUM FEE, THEORETICALLY FOR EACH LOCATION, FOR EACH LOCATION.
SO IF THEY HAVE THREE PARKS TO BE IN, THAT'S THE ONLY THREE PLACES THEY'VE GOT.
THEY'RE NOT PAYING, NOT VERY MUCH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST FOR A IT'S FOR EACH, FOR EACH LIKE REALLY, REALLY KIND OF LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TOOLS OTHER THAN A THAN A STICK. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CARROTS TO OFFER.
[INAUDIBLE] WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CARROTS TO OFFER.
WE'VE ONLY GOT A REALLY A STICK TO SAY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
SO LET'S SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DEMONSTRATIVE TO SHOW THEM WHEN WE BRING THEM IN AT THIS NEXT ONE THAT WE THAT WE HAVE A CHART TO SHOW THEM THAT WE ACTUALLY SPELL THAT OUT TO THEM, DANIEL.
AND AND THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT, IF POSSIBLE, BEFOREHAND IN IN SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DOWNLOAD OR LOOK OUT BEFORE THE MEETING.
YEAH, WE CAN. DEFINITELY POSSIBLE.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE POLICIES AND OPTIONS FOR INFORMING PEOPLE IN GENERAL WITH ANY KIND OF THING LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE THERE'S NOTIFICATIONS PUT, YOU KNOW, IN VARIOUS LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA AND OR, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSPAPER, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS NOTIFY IN SOME MANNER FOR THESE THINGS. WE DEFINITELY HAVE SPECIFIC RULES FOR THE CONCESSIONAIRES AND WE CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER KIND OF GEARED TOWARD THEIR EYES.
THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND THEN IF THEY COULD SEE THAT, OK, I PROBABLY INTERRUPTED YOU IN MID THOUGHT ON THE FEES BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S BUT I DO THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. YEAH, I THINK YOU WERE ABOUT TO GO INTO WHERE IF YOU DID PAY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS, YOU WEREN'T GOING TO GO TO A PARK.
YOU HAVE THAT BUYS YOU UP TO THREE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? I'M SORRY. YES, YOU TECHNICALLY COULD ALL THREE BE A CONCESSION PARK, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD PROPOSE THAT THEY END UP GETTING A BENEFIT FOR EACH PARK LOCATION.
THEY GET ME A VERY MINIMAL LIKE A HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS, HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS, WHICH ARE LEFT WITH IS VERY MINIMAL FEE.
THE OTHER ADVANTAGE WE'RE PROPOSING IS KIND OF RELATED IS.
AND WE TALK ABOUT TEMPORARY CONCESSIONS AND WORKED ON THAT, AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT WE DON'T REQUIRE A PERMIT JUST SO CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN TRACK THEM, PERHAPS, BUT NOT A PERMIT FEE IF THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL CONCESSION.
WHY THEN WE'LL CHARGE OUR FOLKS THAT ARE HERE YEAR ROUND JUST SO THEY CAN GO MOVE SOMEWHERE FOR LIKE SHRIMP FEST OR SOMETHING, SEEM REASONABLE TO STAFF TO GIVE THEM OR LOCAL FOLKS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVANTAGE.
DO THEY STILL HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE DOING THAT, THOUGH.
YEAH, WE REQUIRE A PERMIT, JUST NOT NECESSARILY THE FEE, BECAUSE THEIR ALREADY PAYING US FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS OR WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE.
RIGHT? AGAIN, THE QUESTION KIND OF RELATED TO THIS.
SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM INTO PARKS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT HERE WHERE THEY CAN HAVE TWO CONCESSIONS IN THE SAME SPOT.
SO I KEEP USING THE SHELL STATION JUST AS.
SO THE SHELL STATION CAN HAVE TWO TRUCKS THERE.
THERE WOULD BE A PARK, SO THOSE FOLKS WOULD STILL BE THERE WHEN THEY COULD.
BUT BUT THE FLIP SIDE IS NOW WE GOT TWO SPOTS, AND THEY'RE NOT IN A PARK, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF DEFEATING OUR PURPOSE THAT WE REALLY WANT.
THE SHELL STATION WAS TO HAVE TWO DEALS, HE NEEDS TO BE A PARK.
YEAH, AND WE CAN SEE AND GO BY THAT.
AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF, HEY, WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING, HE'S JUST GOING TO JUMP THROUGH A FEW HOOPS AND HE CAN HAVE FIVE FOOD TRUCKS THERE.
IF HE HAS, YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL YOU THIS SPACE THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON A TYPICAL GAS STATION LOT. YOU CAN EASILY PUT TWO OR THREE TRUCKS.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME THAT YOU COULD.
SO I MEAN, I LIKE THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING.
WOULD THIS NOT BE ADDRESSED IN THE NUMBER A CONCESSION PARK, LIMITED USE STANDARDS? YEAH, IT WOULD BE.
IT WOULD BE ADDRESSED FURTHER DOWN SO WE COULD ADDRESS IT IN THERE.
NOW, IF WE COULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CHANGE IT BACK TO THE LANGUAGE WE HAVE NOW WHERE WE SAY CONCESSION PARK IS ANYTIME THERE'S MORE THAN ONE.
IF THAT WOULD HELP ADDRESS THAT CONCERN.
AND I JUST MY THOUGHT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US.
HAVE PARKS, NOT A BUNCH OF FREE STANDING.
I THINK THAT'S AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
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SO CAN WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, TO GO BACK TO OUR VIRTUAL MEETING STANDARD THAT WE USED? DO WE WANT TO GO WITH MORE THAN ONE BECOMES A PARK? THAT'S WHAT RUSTY JUST SAID.GO WITH RUSTY. OK, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE FOR IT.
OK, DANIEL, WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
OK, I LIKE IT WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THIS.
DON'T LET THAT GET AROUND TOWN.
OK, SO DANIEL, HAVE YOU HAVE WE WRAP THIS ONE UP? I THINK I THINK I THINK SO.
I THINK YOU KIND OF DISCUSSED HOW THESE THINGS KIND OF INTERACT AND WHY MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PRORATE PER SAY, OK, GENTLEMEN, ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT ONE, PROPOSED FEE STRUCTURE FOR ANNUAL CONCESSION PERMITS? DOES THAT KIND OF COVER US ON THAT ONE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY TOPICS REMAINING? ITEM NUMBER TWO, MS. GORMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT ONE? TOO.
WE'LL, WE'LL COME BACK UP TO ONE.
JUST TO BE CERTAIN ON THAT, ON THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT, THERE WAS SOMETHING ON HERE.
WE HAVEN'T I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE COVERED THAT ONE AT ALL YET.
MAYBE WE'LL COME AND WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT ONE WHEN WE KIND OF COME TO THE BACK OF THE PACKET, STEPHEN AND GET TO THAT PAPERWORK.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? NO, THAT WE'LL PROBABLY ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
OK. JUST KIND OF GOING TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT PAGE? OK, NEXT PAGE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? I HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
YES, SIR. I'M IN SECTION, ARE YOU IN SECTION B? WE ARE IN, I HAVE SOMETHING IN SECTION B.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN SECTION A? BOB, WHERE YOURS? I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE IT IS HAD TO DO WITH PARKING.
NOW I SEE. I'VE GOT SOMETHING IN B1, B2.
I WAS REFERRING TO WHAT BOB WAS LOOKING AT.
SECTION AF, CONCESSION PERMIT SHALL BE DISPLAYED IN CONSPICUOUS LOCATION.
OK, GOOD. BOB THAT WAS WHAT I THINK YOU PUT IN THERE.
YEAH, IT'S UNDER SECTION A, A1F.
YEAH. SO THAT WAS THE ONE THAT YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS, AND THAT LANGUAGE IS MORE EVIDENCE.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY PROBATIVE AND IT'S VERY TAKEN FROM THE CURRENT COURT.
SO DESIGNATE WHERE IS CONSPICUOUS? WELL, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF I WANT TO HEAR BOB'S IDEAS ABOUT THIS.
WELL, WE DO HAVE AN OFFICER, POPE HERE? HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER CONSPICUOUS LOCATION OR WHAT THEY LOOK FOR WHEN THEY'RE VISITING THE CONCESSION TRUCKS.
OFFICER POPE, MY NAME IS JEFFREY HILL WELCOME.
MORE CONSPICUOUS IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE ON THE THE SIDE THAT THE VENDOR IS SELLING FROM, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE WINDOW BECAUSE I KNOW THE WINDOW IS AN INTERIOR STICKER OR THEY CAN STICK IT OUT.
BUT MANY, MANY TIMES THE SHADE WILL BE COMPLETELY CLOSED DOWN AND THAT WINDOW WILL BE CLOSED OFF. SO WE WON'T KNOW AND UNTIL MAYBE AFTER HOURS OR SOME POINT IN TIME WHETHER OR NOT THAT PARTICULAR TRUCK OR THAT PARTICULAR TRAILER HAS A PERMIT ON ISSUES OR NOT.
SO IF IT'S PLACED SOMEPLACE ON THE EXTERIOR NOT VISIBLE WITH THE SHADES CLOSED, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US.
THEN WE CAN RECORD THAT NUMBER BECAUSE THE LICENSE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE AND THEN VERIFIED THE PERMITS ACTIVE STILL DO.
SO YOU WANT IT TO BE VISIBLE EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
BECAUSE SOME OF THESE CONCESSIONS OPEN, LIKE THE BAGEL SHOP OVER HERE OR POST OFFICE, THEY OPEN VERY, VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING BEFORE MOST OF OUR OFFICERS COME ON DUTY AND THEN THEY CLOSE UP. BUT WHEN THEY'RE CLOSED, IF THE PERMITS ARE ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW, WHICH IS WHERE MOST OF THE TIME IT'S STUCK, THEN THEY SLIDE THE WINDOW OPEN TO SERVE, WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING.
SO WE DON'T MAKE THAT ANNUAL GIVING DESCRIPTION, NAME OF THE VEHICLE.
ALL THE REST OF THE INFORMATION [INAUDIBLE] ON THE EXTERIOR SAY BY THE SERVING WINDOW, BY THE MAYBE BY THE, I DON'T KNOW, PUT IT ON THE DOOR BECAUSE THE DOOR IS USUALLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SERVING WINDOW.
SO IF IT'S ON THAT FRONT SIDE.
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WELL, TO KIND OF ANSWER, BOTH THOSE WOULD BE SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO CHANGE THE WORDING AND THEY STILL MAKE IT CONSPICUOUS.BUT ON THE PERMITTING PART, YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM IN THE APPLICATION PERMIT APPLICATION IT MUST BE DISPLAYED YOU KNOW A GIVE THIS OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED INSIDE HERE THE BODY? OR CAN WE JUST PUT IT ON THE APPLICATION SO THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT TO DO IT? AND WE'RE NOT.
I MEAN. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT SAYS IT'S DISPLAYED AT ALL TIMES.
AT ALL TIMES. SO THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY FIRST.
AND IT TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE VEHICLE AT THAT POINT.
OK. YEAH. KEEP IN MIND THAT THINGS THAT ARE NOT STATED IN BLACK AND WHITE IN THE ORDINANCES SOMEWHERE ARE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE THEIR STATED THEY HAVE THE FORCE OF ALL NINE AT ALL TIMES ON THE SALES TRANSACTION SIDE OF THE VEHICLE.
THERE YOU GO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS FIXING TO SAY.
AND ON THE EXTERIOR, BECAUSE WHAT HE'S SAYING IS IT CAN'T BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE WINDOW.
IT HAS TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE VEHICLE.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE WHERE IF THEY CLOSE THE SHADE OR THEY CLOSE THE WINDOW OR THEY PULL SOMETHING OVER THE WINDOW, AND IF THEY SHUTTER OFF THE WINDOW SO THAT THEY'RE KEEPING IT FROM GETTING BROKEN INTO, THEY COULD COVER THE THE PERMIT.
HE DOESN'T WANT THAT. HE WANTS IT ON THE SLAPPED ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE SORT OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO....SO WE'RE GIVING THEM A PERMIT OR A PERMIT NUMBER.
SO BECAUSE I COULD SEE THEY COULD, THEY CAN DISPLAY IT MORE THAN ONCE.
BUT MAYBE THEIR PERMIT NUMBER.
KIND OF LIKE YOUR BOAT NUMBER.
KIND OF LIKE YOUR BOAT NUMBER.
I CAN HAVE MY REGISTRATION CARD IN MY POCKET, BUT MY NUMBER NEEDS TO BE DISPLAYED AT ALL TIMES. IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE AIR CONDITIONER, EITHER.
ELECTRICIAN, THEY ALL HAVE THAT STUFF ON THE SIDE OF THEIR VAN.
YES, YEAH. BUT THIS EXPIRES DECEMBER THIRTY FIRST.
OH, THEIR NUMBERS WOULD CHANGE.
OR ELSE THEY WOULD JUST USE THE SAME NUMBER AND HOPE THEY NEVER GET CAUGHT.
THE STICKERS OF THE SAME SIZE, STICK UP ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
[INAUDIBLE] SO YOU KNOW WHAT, IF WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID? OH, OK, ALL RIGHT.
GOOD. OK, SO ANYTHING ELSE ON A? BOB.
MY NEXT ONE IS ON B ONE B TWO.
DO WE NEED TO? CONCESSION SHALL WE SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED WITHIN 100 HUNDRED FEET OF AN EXISTING BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS WHICH SELLS SIMILAR GOODS AND SERVICES? DO WE NEED TO DEFINE SIMILAR? BARBEQUE TO BARBECUE, ITALIAN TO ITALIAN, PRICE POINT TO PRICE POINT, FAST FOOD TO FAST FOOD. FOOD TO FOOD.
DO WE NEED TO DEFINE SIMILAR? OR IS IT LEFT UP TO INTERPRETATION? KATHERINE'S MAKING A PUCKER FOR IT.
I MEAN, YOU JUST LISTED THERE ARE SIMILAR.
YEAH. SO DANIEL'S PROBABLY THE ONE WITH THE MOST EXPERIENCE IN DOING INTERPRETATIONS OF THIS. WELL, OK.
ALL RIGHT. MY MY STAFF'S DETERMINATION IS THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS PROBABLY A MENU ITEM THING. WE DID NOT NECESSARILY WANT A TACO TRUCK PARKING NEXT TO CLOSE TO A TEX MEX RESTAURANT AND BEING IN DIRECT COMPETITION.
THAT IS PROBABLY THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.
MAYBE THIS IS IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AUTHORITY WHEN THE RESTAURANT COMPLAINS SO THE RESTAURANTS ARE PLANNING AND THEN YOU CAN POINT TO THIS AND SAY, WELL, LOOK, THIS IS THE GUY'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MOVE ON.
SO YOU THINK NOT NECESSARILY GO OUT THERE MENU ITEMS? I THINK SO, TOO. SO YOU SO YOU THINK BOB IT SHOULD BE KIND OF LIKE DELIBERATELY VAGUE? WELL, KIND OF, I GUESS I GUESS SO.
I MEAN, THE INTENT OF THE LANGUAGE SEEMS TO MAKE IT HARD TO ENFORCE.
BECAUSE IF SOMEONE SELLING SOFT DRINKS OUT OF A VENDING TRUCK AND THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR IS ALSO SELLING SOFT DRINKS AND THEY'RE SAYING WE'RE LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OUR [INAUDIBLE] WELL THEY'RE SELLING SIMILAR PRODUCTS.
SO SIMILAR MENU ITEMS DOESN'T DO YOU ANY GOOD? SANDWICH VERSUS SANDWICH.
I MEAN, YEAH, WELL, THEY'RE OK IF YOU LOOK AT THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE SIMILAR GOODS OR SERVICES, SO THE GOODS WOULD BE FOOD.
SO IF YOU'RE NEXT DOOR TO A TEX MEX RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE SELLING COWBOY BELTS AND HATS, THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN BE YOU CAN BE WITHIN 100 FEET.
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BUT IF YOU'RE SELLING TACOS AND THEY SELL PIZZA, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE THERE.THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT BEING READ AND INTERPRETED.
YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH.
YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIMILAR FOOD, FOOD MENU, ITEMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, STILL TRY TO KEEP IT GENERIC, BUT STILL BUT GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY.
WELL, I THINK I THINK THE UNDERLYING THING IT HELPS US IS WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET.
SO DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE BUFFER AND MAKE IT CLOSER FURTHER AWAY? NO, I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE SET ON THE BUFFER, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY HAD AGREED ON THE BUFFER BECAUSE WE'VE INCREASED THE BUFFER FROM SEVENTY FIVE TO ONE HUNDRED.
SO I THINK THE BUFFER HAS BEEN A CONSENSUS ITEM IN EARLIER MEETINGS.
SO WOULD IT BE JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE? WHAT ABOUT JUST LEAVING IT AT A HUNDRED FEET IN NOT MENTIONING GOODS OR SERVICES SO THAT EVERYONE HAS SOME DEGREE OF BUFFER REGARDLESS AS AN OPTION? SO JUST ELIMINATE ANY ANY MOBILE VENDING TRUCKS AT ALL FROM HUNDRED FEET FROM A RESTAURANT, RIGHT? WELL, NO.
BUT IF YOU IF YOU DON'T SAY WITHIN WHAT I MEAN, THEN WHAT ONE HUNDRED FEET OF WHAT A TREE. BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT OR BRICK AND MORTAR TYPICALLY IS MEASURED FROM THE DOOR OF THE BUILDING TO THE SERVING WINDOW OF THE TRUCK.
THAT'S HOW IT'S CURRENTLY MOVING.
THIS IS ONE HUNDRED FEET OF AN EXISTING BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS.
SO WHAT? I COULDN'T BE A HUNDRED FEET WITHIN WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF A BANK.
ARE YOU SELLING MONEY? NO, BUT IF A STRIKE, IF I STRIKE IS SIMILAR GOODS AND SERVICES, YOU WALK AROUND WITH THE CARTS OF MONEY, IF YOU STRIKE.
SO WE STRIKE THE SIMILAR THING.
IF I JUST SAY WITHIN, IF A STRIKE WHICH SELLS SIMILAR GOODS AND SERVICES AND I JUST SAY WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF AN EXISTING BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS, THEN IT'S ANY BUSINESS YOU COULD HIT A BRICK WALL OR FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
BUT THEN WHAT IF I.. BREWERIES, YOU KNOW, BREWERIES SOMETIMES, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE ON STEWART ROAD, THE BREWERY HAS A FOOD TRUCK RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
YES, RIGHT. BUT THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION, AREN'T THEY, BECAUSE IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? DANIEL, DOES THAT COME UNDER A DIFFERENT UMBRELLA? I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THEY BRING THEY'RE INVITED.
YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LEASEHOLDER VERSUS JASON. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL THE GUY IS MAD, CAUSE THE MARSHAL'S OFFICE.
I MEAN, THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S SO.
SO THE WAY THEY'RE SELLING SIMILAR PRODUCTS, RIGHT? AND SO HOW DOES YOU KNOW? SO YOU'RE THE GUY ON THE STREET.
WHAT? WHAT'S WHAT, WHAT HELPS YOU OUT ON IN THAT? BECAUSE I CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS WRITTEN.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE TOUGH, PROBABLY LEAVING IT AT 100 FEET.
OK, AND THEN TAKE OUT THE THE, OR MAYBE NOT JUST LEAVE IT THIS SIMILAR TYPE OF BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR OR NONCOMPETITIVE TYPE FOOD SERVICE BUSINESS OR SOME KIND OF WORDING THAT WOULD KEEP SOMEBODY FROM PUTTING A TACO TRUCK RIGHT NEXT TO THE MEXICAN FOOD RESTAURANT. RIGHT. BUT YOUR FILL WOULD GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A VACANT LOCATION WITHIN 100 FEET OF THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT AND SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO OPEN A MEXICAN RESTAURANT. THEY COULD.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING, HEY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIND ONE THING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU LEAVE IT TO WHERE, IF IT CAN BE SCRUTINIZED, MAYBE TO HAVE A COMPLAINT THEY CAN CALL PLANNING.
THEY CAN DISCUSS WHAT THEIR ISSUE IS IN REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS VERSUS TRYING TO GET OUT THERE AND FIGHT EACH OTHER OVER THE LOCATION OF THIS AND WHAT THEY'RE SELLING, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF AN EVENT WHICH HAPPENS.
AND REMEMBER, A HUNDRED FEET, HE'S NOT THAT FAR TO KNOW IT IS.
AND SO IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
SO IF WE DID IT TO WHERE IT WAS A HUNDRED FEET FROM EXISTING FOOD SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS, WOULD THAT HELP YOU? YEAH.
BRICK AND MORTAR FOOD SERVICE BUSINESS ISN'T ALWAYS FOOD, THOUGH.
WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE OTHER THING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
IF IT'S IF THEY SELL BASEBALL CAPS OR ALMOST ALWAYS, BUT BUT A LOT OF COMPETITIVE AND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANTICIPATE YOU AND I I'M GONNA PUT YOUR LEGALESE ON THIS.
NO, I'M THINKING OF SOMETHING SIMILAR TO A MAIN ITEM ON A MENU OR THAT MAY BE GETTING
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KIND OF DICEY AS WELL JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE, RESTAURANTS CHANGE UP THEIR MENUS QUITE OFTEN.HONESTLY, I KIND OF JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE KEEPING IT TO SOME SIMILAR TYPE BUSINESS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. YEAH, I FEEL GOOD THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN USE THIS LANGUAGE UNLESS THERE WAS A COMPLAINT WOULD WE? TRUE, WELL, WE WOULD USE IT IN PERMITTING.
YEAH. SO SOMETHING WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET.
SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A JUDGMENT AT THAT TIME, WHETHER IT WAS SIMILAR OR NOT.
OK. OH, SO YOU ALL ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CALL, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO USE SOMETHING LIKE, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO SELL US SOFT DRINK AND THEY SELL US SOFT DRINK.
WE WOULD PROBABLY USE MENU ITEMS. YEAH, YEAH. OK. IT'S THE TACO TRUCK MEXICAN RESTAURANT.
THAT'S A GOOD SOUNDS. I THINK YOU ALMOST NEED TO SAY SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE THOSE TRUCKS AND THEY'RE LIKE THE BREWERY.
NOW YOU'RE REALLY LIMITING HIS VENDOR FOR GOING TO GET IN.
OK, SO SORRY ABOUT IT OUT HERE.
YEAH, YEAH. A LITTLE BIT OF SUGGESTION OR JUST THE THOUGHT THAT COMES TO MIND.
COULD THERE BE A PROVISION THAT THE RESTAURANT PAYS? I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE ANY OF IT.
OH MY GOODNESS, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING EVEN WORSE THAN I DID DONNA.
ALL THE DESSERT MENU ITEMS. THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS IS THE RESTAURANT GUYS HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY PAY TAXES.
WHERE AS THE FOOD TRUCK GUY? HE'S SHOWING UP AND HE'S JUST MAKING WHAT HE'S MAKING AND HE'S GONE.
SO I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A BIG PROPONENT OF PROTECTING OUR PUBLIC WATER GUYS.
I KNOW THAT BOY DANIELS EYES REALLY RAISED UP.
HE SAID, GET THE RESTAURANT, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
THAT'S REALLY NOT THAT FAR, BUT WHICH IS THE REASON THAT I WAS.
YES, THAT WAS A VERY STRONG REACTION.
THE REASON I LOVE THAT SUGGESTION WAS BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO KNOW THAT THE CITY OF SOUTH PADRE ISLAND IS GETTING SUED FOR THAT EXACT THING AS WE SPEAK.
THAT LAWSUIT IS STILL IN THE WORKS.
YES. WHAT IS IT? SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ARE THEY? THEY HAVE TO GET THE SPONSORSHIP OR APPROVAL OF A BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESS TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK. THEY'RE GOING TO SUE.
OH, OK. AND DAVID, JUST DAVID, MAKE YOUR POINT TO THE WHOLE GROUP ABOUT THIS.
JUST SO REFERENCE THIS ROOM'S APPROXIMATELY 50 FEET LONG.
YEAH, YEAH. SO AND THE MEASUREMENT IS DOOR TO DOOR, SO THAT JUST A SHORT DISTANCE.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE KIND OF A PROBLEM WITH DISTANCES.
IT'S IT'S A GOOD THING THAT GIVES US SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S THE END OF MY BUILDING DOWN THERE FOR DIFFERENT STORES AND THIS DOOR TO DOOR.
IT'S REALLY, YEAH, IT'S CURRENTLY SERVING LIKE THAT AREA.
OK, SO NOW MY NEXT THING IS ON B1, B4 OR JUST TO A COUPLE OF ITEMS DOWN, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AT THE END OF THAT ONE CONCESSION SHALL NOT BE OPERATED WITHIN 500 FEET OF ANY PRESCHOOL THROUGH 12TH GRADE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOL BETWEEN THE HOURS OF SEVEN A.M. AND SIX P.M.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD ON SCHOOL DAY PLATES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TALK WITH [INAUDIBLE] REPRESENTATIVES, AND THEY GIVEN US SOME INPUT ON THEIR CONCERNS, WHICH IS REALLY A LOT ABOUT LIKE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC CONFLICTS AND THINGS BECAUSE A LOT OF IT.
BUT THEY INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REMAIN IN THE CURRENT WORKING SAYS AN HOUR BEFORE TO AN HOUR AFTER THE SCHOOL DAY.
WELL, THAT'S BASICALLY SEVEN TO SIX.
SO STAFF JUST SIMPLIFIED THE LANGUAGE SLIGHTLY HASN'T CHANGED AT ALL FROM THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. AND THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS THE FIRST ITEM AT THE TOP OF THE NEXT PAGE.
CONCESSIONS SHALL NOT OCCUPY REQUIRED PARKING.
THAT WAS JUST THE FIRST TIME YOU THIS IS YOUR ITEM, BOB, THAT JUST WHEN I FIRST READ THAT IT KIND OF WAS LIKE, LOOK THAT AND THEN I REALIZED THAT IT WAS IT WAS REFERRING TO THE LDR PARKING, THE REQUIRED PARKING UNDER THE LDR.
AND I JUST THOUGHT, WE NEEDED TO CLARIFY THAT.
YEAH, EXACTLY. I SAID, REQUIRE PARKING FOR WHAT? FOR WHOM? YOU KNOW, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE EXPLAINED A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY.
AND DANIEL AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD A REFERENCE TO ARTICLE EIGHT IN THE LDR.
DANIEL WHAT [INAUDIBLE] EXPLAIN THAT TO BE REAL EASY TO JUST ADD A FEW WORDS THAT SAYS
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EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.YEAH, I WOULDN'T. I WOULDN'T RUN SOMEBODY ON TO SOMEBODY OVER TO THE OTHER YARD TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU MEAN. OH, PUT IN A WORD AFTER WHAT YOU MEAN.
OH, WE GOT SOMEONE TO MARRY SOMEONE FROM THE DISTRICT.
DON'T REFER TO SOMETHING. JUST PUT IT IN THERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, CENTRAL BUSINESS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT CURRENTLY PERMITS FOOD CHOICES THAT WAS NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT.
THERE ARE NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN CENTRAL BUSINESS, BUT YOU KNOW, IN COMMERCIAL THERE ARE SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE SAID, PER LDR, BECAUSE IT DOES VARY ACROSS THE ZONING DISTRICT SOMEWHAT.
HMM. SO DIFFERENT DIFFERENT ONES, DIFFERENT ONES ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WELL, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO PARK RIGHT AWAY.
RIGHT? AND THEN, I SUPPOSE, PARKING ON THE CITY STREET, RIGHT? SO IN THIS CASE, REQUIRED PARKING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A, SAY, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS TYPICALLY ITS OWN PARKING SPOT FOR A THREE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, 3000 SQUARE FOOT, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED 10 PARKING SPACES.
AND A LOT OF ORDINANCES AGAIN AND WRITTEN LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, SO 10 PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE KEPT CLEAR FOR REGULAR REQUIRED PARKING.
BUT IF THEY HAVE 12 PARKING SPACES, THAT GIVES THEM TWO TO PLAY WITH.
SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT WORKS.
AND THEN THE BOTTOM CONCESSIONS HAVE TO WORK HARD, HAVE TO HAVE TWO OR THREE PARKING SPACES FOR CONCESSION.
AND SO ON THAT ONE, I MEAN, UNLESS WE LIKE TO JUST GO, DID YOU WANT TO HANDLE THE CONCESSION PARK SEPARATELY TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES BECAUSE THIS WAS KIND OF BLEEDING OVER INTO HOWEVER YOU ALL WANT TO DO IT, OK? YEAH, YEAH.
IN THAT CASE, EVEN ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S SO IT VARIES SO MUCH, BUT SO INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT STAFF THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT PARK, SINCE WE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT YOU COULD GET SOMETHING LIKE THE PROPOSED CONCESSION PARK I SHOWED ON THE SLIDE SHOW THAT IS EXTREMELY LARGE AND EXTREMELY POPULAR, WHICH IS KIND OF ALMOST SORT OF WHAT COUNCIL KIND OF IS ENVISIONING IN CERTAIN WAYS.
YEAH. IT APPEARS THAT PARKING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE THIS THEORETICAL PARK IS CAN VARY FROM FROM ZONING TO ZONING.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR ALL THESE VARIOUS OVERLAPPING ISSUES WOULD BE TO SAY, WELL, WITH CONCESSION PARKS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES, ONE FOR CLIENT, ONE FOR THE WORKER, FOR EVERY CONCESSION, BUT ONLY IF THE PARKS OVER TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE NOT NEARLY THAT BIG.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PLAN FOR IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.
YEAH, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING PUTTING UP THE CONCESSION PARK, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER A LOT OF REAL ESTATE.
SO IN YOUR PLANNING FOR THAT REAL ESTATE, YOU NEED TO INCLUDE PARKING AS WELL AS FOR THE FOR THE VISITORS AS WELL AS FOR THEM.
RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY PREVENTING PARK FROM GETTING TOO BIG TO EASILY HANDLE KNOW IF THEY DON'T EVER PLAN FOR PARKING ALL STREET.
YEAH, OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. SOME OF THOSE THINGS KIND OF INTERACTING INTERMINGLE.
THAT'S WHY THEY PAY THE BIG BUCKS TO ROLL THAT OUT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WE HAVE A PARK OUT ON THE WEST END.
MM HMM. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY BUSY ON, ESPECIALLY ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS AND THEIR PARKING IS NOT PARKING LOT AND EVERYBODY ENDS UP PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
IT IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS. IT'S SCARY.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, YOU KNOW.
AND SO THEY HAVE A THEY HAVE A LOT.
IT'S A THRILL RIDE. BUT I AM A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS THERE.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ADDRESS THAT, I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WATCH TOO MANY WILL, BUT WE NEED TO READ IT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN AND THE SOLUTION IS TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING. RIGHT. I THINK YOU'VE GOT IT COVERED RIGHT THERE IN A1F.
MAYBE TEN THOUSAND SQUARE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
MAYBE. AND THEY HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS THERE.
SO THEY DO HAVE SOME OFF STREET PARKING ALONG THERE.
BUT THE BIG DEAL IS, IS THAT HERE'S WHAT THEY HAVE A REAL PROBLEM IS THAT THEY HAVE A LOT THAT THEY CALL THEIR PARKING LOT, THAT WHEN IT RAINS, IS NOT A PARKING LOT.
BUT YEAH, IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATIONS, I ONLY BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S SOME OF THIS KIND OF LOCATION SPECIFIC.
THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN OUT THERE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS THEY'RE SO BUSY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THEY'RE ALSO WITHIN A THOUSAND FOOT OF BEING
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HIGH TIDE, WHICH MEANS GENERAL LAND OFFICE GETS INVOLVED IN CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE DONE. SO LIKE A SNAKE, IT'S COMPLEX REALLY QUICK SOMETIMES.YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WISH THEM ANY ILL WILL IF ANYTHING, BUT I'D LIKE TO TRY AND HELP THEM. BUT IT'S LIKE, IT'S NOT.
I'LL GET OFF. SO, SO RUSTY, DO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER IN THIS A1F AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES AND SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THEY SHOULD BE PAVED OR FINISHED OR SOMETHING THAT THEY NEED TO BE GRAVEL IN A MINIMUM OR SOMETHING. PARKING, AS IT IS DEFINED IN THE LDR PARKING, A PARKING SPOT OR A PARKING LOT. YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT, I THINK ALL WEATHER PARKING WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT SO THAT THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO REFER SOMEONE TO THE LDR OR WHATEVER.
AND I THINK ALL WEATHER WOULD WE STILL SAY OFF STREET, ALL WEATHER OFF STREET PARKING, OFF STREET, ALL WEATHER PARKING.
I THINK WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE LDR THAT WE CAN BORROW THE COVERS THAT ALREADY.
IT HAS TO BE PAVED WITH CONCRETE OR ASPHALT OR PAVERS OR AN APPROVED SURFACE APPROVED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. SO YOU CAN PROPOSE TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE A STABILIZED BLOCK OR GRAVEL OR SOMETHING OR SOMETHING.
SO THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS AND SOMETHING THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE USED IN SO THAT IF IT IS IN THE YEAH, SO WE COULD VERY EASILY CHANGE THAT TO BASICALLY REQUIRE THE PARKS TO FOLLOW THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE LDR.
THAT WOULD. NOW THE THING BEING, HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A FOOD TRUCK OR A PARK? HOW DO WE DO THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF FOLLOWING OUR LDR? THAT'S THE THERE'S THE DEVIL IN THAT DETAIL.
I THINK YOU COULD USE THE PARKING AS THE PARKING LOT AS DEFINED IN THE LDR, NOT NECESSARILY THE SQUARE FOOT FOOTAGE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT THE NUMBER CAN COME FROM THIS.
HOW DO YOU CONSTRUCT THE DEFINITION IS GOING TO TELL YOU? YEAH, IT NEEDS TO BE.
AN ASPHALT CONCRETE WALK MEANS IT HAS TO BE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES RIGHT HERE ON PITCH, RIGHT? IF WE WERE TO GO BY THE PARKING ARMS OF THE BASE ZONE, IT IS TYPICALLY BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A BUILDING. SO IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS POINTING OUT.
IF WE WERE TO DO THAT WITH CONCESSION PARK, WHICH MAY NOT HAVE A BUILDING OR THEY MAY NOT BE RELEVANT, THEN HOW DO WE DEFINE WHAT THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT IS? IT'S NORMALLY BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, SO BE EASY TO CHANGE AND SAY YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LDR'S FOR YOUR CAREER, YOUR CONCESSION PARKING.
HOWEVER, IF WE WOULD NEED SOME DIRECTION, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ACTUALLY CALCULATE THAT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE SUGGESTED TWO PER TRUCK BECAUSE THAT ELIMINATES THAT CONCERN. AND QUITE HONESTLY, I KIND OF LIKE ALL WEATHER.
I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE LOOK, WE WANT TO HELP THESE.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THE GUY'S GOT TO GO PUT IN A TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT CONCRETE PARKING LOT. HE'S ABOUT, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SEE WHAT THE LIGHTING IS GOING TO BE COST PROHIBITIVE. YEAH.
SO I LIKE JUST I THINK WE DID THE ALL WEATHER IN THAT WAY.
IF IT'S IF THEY CAN JUST DO GRAVEL, HE CAN DO GRAVEL.
SO FORGING AHEAD, THEN MY NEXT ONE IS ITEM NINE ON THE LITTER ITEM, AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION THERE.
THIS LITTER RECEPTACLE MUST BE AT LEAST 20 GALLON CAPACITY COMPOSED OF A LEAK PROOF, NON ABSORBENT MATERIAL.
LAST SUMMER, WE HAD Y'ALL REMEMBER WE HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH DISPOSAL OF TRASH.
DO WE NEED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THE FOOD TRUCK OWNERS NEED TO DISPOSE OF THEIR OWN TRASH? OR IS THAT SOMETHING TO HELP CURB HEALTH PROBLEMS? THIS IS THIS LANGUAGE, DANIEL SAID, IS ON MOST STRAIGHT OUT OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CODE. WELL, I SUSPECT THEY HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT ANYWAY, BUT ACTUALLY WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CURRENT AUDITS AND ACTUALLY SPECIFIES THAT, YEAH, THAT SPECIFIES THIS FOR 20 GALLONS AND EVERYTHING IS OK.
WELL, DO WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT HOW THEY NEED TO DISPOSE OF THEIR TRASH SO THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING THIS TRASH THAT THEY PUT WHEREVER? AND THEN THEY JUST PICK IT UP AND PUT IT INTO A CITY TRASH CAN ON THE CORNER? WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE COMMISSARY THING COMMISSARY THING THAT FIXES THAT? WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST JUST TALK TO US ABOUT THAT? I DON'T THINK 20 GALLONS IS VERY LARGE.
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MAYBE 20 IS PROBABLY VERY TINY.WHAT'S A STANDARD TRASH CANS LIKE 55 GALLON, OK, JUST A STANDARD TRASH CAN BAG YOU BUY.
SO I THINK IT PROBABLY WOULD BE SOMETHING LARGER SO THEY COULD GIVE MORE TRASH IN THEM.
THAT'S A LARGE THAT'S A BIG TRASH.
YEAH, A REGULAR THAT I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT.
OH YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS YOUR MS..
YEAH. STEPHEN CRACKS HIS KNUCKLES AND SAYS, COME ON IN KIDS, COME ON IN TO MY HOUSE.
SO MR. CLEAN WITH THE K SAYS, COME ON IN.
I WOULD SAY FORTY FOUR TO FIFTY FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR I MEAN, THAT'S I'D SAY FORTY FOUR. YES.
OK, SO LESS THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE.
ALL RIGHT. SO A, WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE THE CAPACITY.
B, ARE WE GOING TO TELL THEM HOW TO GET RID OF THEIR TRASH? THAT COULD ALL BE CARRIED TO THE COMMISSARY.
AND I THINK THE COMMISSARY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD MAKE SURE THE COMMISSARY IS LIKE WITHIN A REASONABLE DISTANCE SO THAT WHEN THEY UNLOAD THEIR GREASE AND THEY UNLOAD THEIR TRASH, IT'S NOT THEY'RE NOT CARRYING BACK TO LEAGUE CITY OR WHEREVER THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING.
WELL THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR LIKE THE GRAY WATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DUMP THAT WITHIN THE CITY.
IF IT COMES FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DUMP.
BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE COMMISSARY EVERY DAY ARE THEY? CURRENTLY, THEY'RE NOT MOVING.
AND, YOU KNOW, TO BE, QUITE FRANKLY.
HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT WHEN THEY GO TO THE COMMISSARY? THE COMMISSARY, THEM PRODUCE A RECEIPT THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ADULT COMMISSARY WITHIN 48 HOURS. 72 TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE GIVE THEM A LITTLE ELBOW ROOM.
YEAH, WE ALL KNOW WELL FOR LIKE A WEEKEND.
AND THEN WHEN THEY SHOW THAT RECEIPT, DOES IT TELL WHAT THEY DID WHEN THEY WERE THERE? THEY DON'T [INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD BE A WAY WE COULD ENFORCE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE VISITING THESE COMMISSARIES AND SOMEBODY NOT JUST ONCE IT GETS DARK, THEY'RE OPENING THEIR GRAY WATER WALL AND LETTING IT RUN OUT ONTO THE GROUND.
AND WHILE THE NEXT MORNING IT'S THE [INAUDIBLE] NOBODY SEES IT.
IS THERE ANY IS THERE ANY CROSS ENFORCEMENT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON? THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT THE THE LAST VENDOR MEETING WAS THAT THEY PERCEPTION WAS THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE'RE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF DUPLICATE PROCESSES.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT GCHD IS FROM, YOU KNOW, INDICATIONS I HAVE RECEIVED.
UM, THEIR THEIR HEALTH DEPARTMENT ENFORCEMENT IS CHRONICALLY UNDERSTAFFED.
SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE A CONTROL OVER SO WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT WE CAN DO AT THE CITY LEVEL.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THERE IS, I BELIEVE THERE IS LANGUAGE SOMEWHERE THAT WE ADDED THERE WAS DISCUSSION HAD OF IT.
THE STAFF DON'T RECALL EXACTLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESERVING THE RIGHT TO REQUIRE A MANIFEST. IF THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WOULD BE COMING FOR US AND OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, WELL, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, WHERE IS YOUR MANIFEST OR SHOULD YOU BEND TO THIS COMMISSARY LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE? WELL, HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT IT WOULD DO.
IS THAT BECAUSE IN GALVESTON COUNTY, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GO TO A COMMISSARY.
LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THEY DO. THEY SHOW UP AND THEY TAKE SPRAY PAINT.
THEY SPRAY IT ON YOUR TIRES, SPRAY IT ON YOUR CAR AND THEY COME BACK THE NEXT DAY.
YOU HAD WITHIN, HOWEVER MANY DAYS.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, YOU NEED TO GO TO THE COMMISSARY.
SO THE COMMISSARY IS KIND OF THE IT'S GOING TO PUT AN END TO ALL THESE GUYS WHO'VE SET UP THEIR QUASI RESTAURANT OVER AT THE CORNER OF, YOU KNOW, THE STREET THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PULL UP ANCHOR AND GO DO THAT.
HOW DO THEY PROVE THEY'VE BEEN TO THE COMMISSARY? THEY'LL GIVE THEM, SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE COMMISSARY AND YOU USE THEIR FACILITIES, IT'S NOT FREE. SO JUST LIKE OFFICER POPE SAID, THEY GIVE YOU A RECEIPT.
THEY GIVE YOU A RECEIPT OR WHAT YOU'LL DO TO BUY.
YOU GET DIFFERENT SERVICES THERE.
AND IF YOU BUY A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEY MAY LET YOU USE, YOU KNOW, TAKE HOME FRESH WATER OR SOMETHING. BUT TYPICALLY THEY CHARGE FOR IT AND YOU WOULD GET A RECEIPT AND IF YOU HAD A DEAL WHERE THERE WAS A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PERIOD THAT YOU HAD.
AND I WANT TO SAY MY EXPERIENCE WAS WITH FORT BEND.
I THINK FORT BEND, YOU WERE REQUIRED TO GO EVERY.
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I THINK YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GO ONCE A WEEK AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN FIVE DAYS.I DON'T I DON'T REALLY RECALL, BUT YOU HAD TO GO AND THEY WOULD DO JUST WHAT HE'S ASKING.
THEY SHOWED UP. YOU HAD TO PRODUCE THAT OR THEY WOULD WRITE YOU A TICKET.
OK, SO DAVID ASKED THE QUESTION QUIETLY A MOMENT AGO.
AND UM, WHERE ARE THESE COMMISSARIES CLOSE BY? SO I'M OPENING UP ONE NOW.
MR. CLEAN WITH CASH SO COMMISSARIES CAN BE A NUMBER OF THINGS.
THEY CAN ALSO BE YOU CAN HAVE A RESTAURANT SERVE AS A COMMISSARY.
SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT I OWN A RESTAURANT AND I ALSO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK.
WELL, I CAN HAVE MY RESTAURANT BE MY COMMISSARY NOW DOESN'T MEAN MY RESTAURANT CAN'T WRITE ME A RECEIPT, BUT YOU COULD.
YOU COULD HAVE THE SAME THING.
THEY GO TO THE RESTAURANT AND THE RESTAURANT SERVES AS THEIR COMMISSARY.
THE RESTAURANT HAS A GREASE TRAP, THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER, THEY HAVE ALL THOSE FACILITIES.
SO I KNOW THAT AT ONE TIME, JEFF HAD A COMMISSARY WHEN WE WERE HERE, WE HAD ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS WAS OUR COMMISSARY.
SO YOU CAN MAKE AN ARRANGEMENT WITH A FRIEND? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID? SO AND YOUR YOUR ARRANGEMENT WITH WHOMEVER IS, YOU HAVE YOUR ARRANGEMENT THAT YOU DUMP YOUR GRAY WATER WITH THEM, WHATEVER AND THEY CAN WRITE YOU A RECEIPT, THEY CAN WRITE YOU A RECEIPT. NOW THEY CAN TELL US THEY'RE GOING, AND WE HAVE NO WAY [INAUDIBLE] AND WE LOT OF THIS CONCERN IS SOME OF THE TRUCKS ON SIXTY THIRD STREET AND COOKING, AND IT'S OBVIOUS JUST FROM WATCHING THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT MOVING, BUT THEY'RE STILL DOING BUSINESS AND SELLING HOW MUCH COOKING OIL IS IN THEIR TANKS THAT THEY'RE GETTING RID OF WHEN NOBODY'S LOOKING, IF THEY'RE NOT MOVING THE TRAILERS TO GO TO THE COMMISSARY TO DEVELOP THE COOKING OIL. WHAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING? SO I WILL SAY, IS THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR GO TO THE COMMISSARY IS A PAIN IN THE REAR, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE SET UP BY THE GUYS THAT ARE SET UP LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THEY DON'T WANT IT. AND SO THIS WOULD MAKE THEM DO THAT AND MAKE THEM GO DISPOSE OF THAT STUFF PROPERLY.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME PUSHBACK FROM THAT.
BUT WOULDN'T IT MAKE THEM? SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE ON THE CITY LEVEL OR SHOULD THIS BE DONE ON THE COUNTY LEVEL? COUNTY DOESN'T REQUIRE IT.
WOULDN'T IT MAKE THEM CLEANER, SAFER, BETTER FOR THEIR PATRONS? YES. IF THE COUNTY'S NOT DOING IT, I'M ASKING QUESTIONS.
THAT'S ALL I'M DOING IS ASKING QUESTIONS.
IF THE COUNTY'S NOT DOING IT, SHOULD THE CITY BE DOING IT WELL AND DOES THE COUNTY CHARGE INTO THE SEWER? THEY DISCHARGE INTO THE CITY UTILITIES, SO IT'S SO THE CITY.
I'M COUNTING TO WATCH WHAT I'M SAYING IT.
THIS IS A PROCESS OF SAFEGUARDING THE CITY'S ASSETS AND NATURAL RESOURCES.
IT'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC HEALTH TOO.
I KNOW FOR THE CITY'S DUTY, RIGHT? AND AND WE'RE NOT PUTTING AN WE'RE NOT OVERBURDENING THE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION IF WE HAVE A CLEAR CUT RIGHT WHEREBY WE CAN ASK FOR AND ASK FOR THE RECEIPTS AND MORE THAN THE INSPECTION FOR THE STICKERS OR IF WE GOT A COMPLAINT, YOU KNOW, SO.
MS. GORMAN AND MS. FAIRWEATHER, DOWNSIDES? I DON'T, I CAN'T THINK OF ANY.
WOULD THERE BE A FAR FREQUENCY TO THE TO THE COMMISSARY? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD VARY WITH NUMBER ONE, WHAT KIND OF FOOD YOU'RE PREPARING, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, 51ST STREET FRIES EVERYTHING THEY HAVE.
YEAH, RIGHT? THEY MAY THEY MAY NEED TO GO MORE FREQUENTLY TO SOMEBODY WHO JUST MAKE ONLY SANDWICHES. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, MAYBE THE SIZE OF THE THING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BITTY FOOD TRUCK.
IT MAY HAVE TO GO MORE OFTEN THAN A BIG FOOD TRUCK BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR WATER. WHATEVER GREASE TRAP.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT IS THERE THE CHARGES THAT A COMMISSARY CAN CHARGE SOMEBODY? IS IT ALL JUST WHATEVER THEY WANT TO CHARGE? IS IT? IS IT A POSSIBILITY THAT THE FOOD TRUCK COULD BE CHARGED A CRAZY AMOUNT? IF I WOULD, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S A IT'S A FAIR TRADE MARKET.
THEY CAN GO WHERE THEY WANT TO GO.
AND AS RUSTY POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN MAKE ARRANGEMENTS WITH WITH A RESTAURANT.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD.
I WOULD THINK [INAUDIBLE] ARE REMOTELY SIPHONED OFF.
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THEY COME AND SERVICE THEM.WE HAVE OIL CONTAINERS OUT OF THE AIRPORT THAT WE HAVE A RECYCLING COMPANY COMES IN SERVICES DID. SO WOULD THAT CONSTITUTE BEING A CONCESSION VISIT? WOULD THAT BE SATISFIED, SATISFYING THE INTENT? OR IS THE INTENT TO GET THEM TO PICK UP AND MOVE? I MEAN, CURRENTLY, STAFF WOULD PROBABLY ACCEPT THAT SORT OF ARRANGEMENT AS QUOTE UNQUOTE A COMMISSARY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A TRADITIONAL COMMISSARY.
RIGHT? BECAUSE REALLY, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW, AS WAS STATED BY TRUSTEE AND THE OTHERS, IT'S PROTECTING CITY ASSETS AND IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL ALSO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO MENTION, YOU KNOW, POLLUTING THE MS4 MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM. YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT DUMPING GRAY WATER OR GREASE OR TRASH ILLEGALLY WOULD ACTUALLY BE DOING.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO COME FROM ON IT.
SO REALLY, IT'S JUST, WELL, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT AND PROTECT THE VMS4, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSAIRE AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, IS SPECIFICALLY CURRENTLY MENTIONS GRACE GREASE AND GRAY WATER AND POTABLE WATER DOESN'T MENTION TRASH. THAT'S AN EASY FIX.
WE COULD ADD TRASH IN THERE, YOU KNOW? BUT I MEAN THAT THERE WERE OTHER QUESTIONS INVOLVED.
THAT'S JUST ONE SUGGESTION FOR THE TRASH ISSUE.
YOU SAY A MINIMUM FOUR TO FOUR POINT FIFTY FIVE GALLON AND SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE THAT IN THE COMMISSARY NOW.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY ONE THING.
SO WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR APPLICATION IN GALVESTON COUNTY, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMMISSARY IN ORDER TO GET YOUR PERMIT.
SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE.
BUT WHAT THEY DON'T DO IS THEY DON'T REQUIRE YOU TO GO THERE WITH A SPECIFIC SET NUMBER OF DAYS, WHEREAS MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN OTHER AREAS.
AND THEY DO THAT TO GET PEOPLE FROM DUMPING STUFF IN THE SEWER AND PUT THEIR TRASH WHERE IT BELONGS. AND THERE'S A THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF OTHER REASONS WHY.
I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN IS GETTING THEM TO DISPOSE OF PROPERTY PROPERLY AS OPPOSED TO JUST GET IT FOR THE SAKE OF MOVING, FOR THE SAKE OF BEING CONSTANTLY BEEN VENDORS, THROWING TRASH AND DUMP CITY WHERE THEY CAN FIND IT AND ANY PLACE THEY CAN STICK IT SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO CARRY IT OFF THE ISLAND WITH THEM.
AND THE FOOD TRUCKS, I'M SURE, ARE NO DIFFERENT.
THE VENDORS WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT, BUT YOU KNOW IT'S SOMETHING WE DO WITH EVERY DAY SO.
IT SEEMS THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROPOSE SOMETHING HERE TO COUNCIL IF YOU ALL CONSIDER IT TO BE.
SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK SAFEGUARDS ARE ASSETS OF OUR ISLAND.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WRITE SOMETHING IN THAT I DIDN'T SEE AT FIRST. I THOUGHT WE JUST NEEDED TO CONSIDER THIS TRASH ISSUE THAT RAISED ITS HEAD SO, SO MUCH LAST SUMMER.
DO LET'S LOOK FOR THIS CONSENSUS THING.
YES. I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, ESPECIALLY SINCE BEST PRACTICES ARE ACTUALLY DO THIS.
FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING IN OTHER PLACES, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LOOK INTO.
HOW PEOPLE DO IT AND MAYBE ADOPT SOMETHING FOR US, BUT ALSO, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO JUST CHECK WITH THE DEPARTMENT, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING ANYTHING JUST SO WE CAN SAY WE'VE DONE IT IF FOR NO OTHER REASON WHEN IT COMES UP IN OUR GROUP MEETING WITH THE VENDORS.
OK, GREAT. SO THEN LET'S RAISE OUR HANDS, SEE IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS DIRECTIVE TO TO DANIEL TO DO NOT JUST SEE ABOUT DISPOSING OF TRASH, BUT TO LOOK INTO THESE COMMISSARY AGREEMENTS REQUIRING RECEIPTS FOR DISPOSAL OF GRAY WATER, GREASE, ET CETERA.
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS PAGE YOU ALL? YES, BOB, I MENTIONED I SAW SEATING MENTIONED ABOUT THREE TIMES IN THIS DOCUMENT OVER THE SEVERAL PAGES, AND I'M NOT SURE IT MAY BE CONTRADICTING.
IT SAYS ON THIS PAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW UNDER ONE UNDER A1C, A SITTING FOR NO MORE THAN FOUR FOUR PERSONS MAY BE PROVIDED FOR EACH CONCESSION IN A CONCESSION PARK AND THEN RIGHT ABOVE IT ON X IT SAYS SEATING IS NOT PERMITTED.
AND THEN ON THE FIRST PAGE OF YOUR SUMMARY, IT SAYS NUMBER FIVE SEATING MAY BE ALLOWED IN
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PARKS OR INDIVIDUAL SITES CONSENSUS REACHED.SO WHAT AM I MISSING ON NUMBER X WHERE IT SAYS SEATING IS NOT LIMITED? OK, SO THAT'S JUST FOR CONCESSION LIMITED USE.
SO THAT'S JUST FOR A SINGLE TRUCK.
SO A SINGLE TRUCK CAN HAVE NO NO CC, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THEN THAT'S LIKE I HAD TODAY I WAS THINKING AS I WAS DRIVING IN DANIEL, I WAS ON THE SEAWALL AND I WAS ON 30 SOMETHING, 33RD, 34TH AND THERE'S A TRUCK THERE AND IT HAS A PICNIC TABLE IN FRONT OF IT NOW, AND IT'S JUST ONE SINGLE TRUCK.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR PICNIC TABLE AWAY? WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA.
AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, ABOUT THIS.
AND I THINK THAT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE COMMISSION HAD THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, SAID THEY WERE OK WITH WITH WITH THAT.
HOWEVER, THE REASON THE STAFF IS NOW RECOMMENDING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL TRUCK NOT BE ALLOWED ANY SEATING IS ONCE AGAIN TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL PARKING ISSUES WITH THE IDEA THAT IF THERE'S NO SEATING, IT WOULD HOPEFULLY ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GRAB AND GO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF ARE SUGGESTING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT NOW.
BUT THAT'S WHY. AND THEN I GUESS THERE WOULD BE, THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PARKING SO MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE SOME CHAIRS AND RATHER THAN, I DON'T WANT TO GET ANYBODY UPSET.
THERE'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY OF GRANDFATHERING IN ANY TRUCKS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT THERE THAT HAVE SOMETHING, AND SO I DON'T WANT TO GET ANYBODY UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY OUT THERE. I LIKE THAT IDEA.
AND AND WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT GRANDFATHERING ANYONE IN.
SO BOB, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE ONE THAT YOU'RE FIRST LOOKING AT IS FOR CENT SINGULAR CONCESSION LIMITED USE STANDARD. AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE SECOND ONE IS CONCESSION PARK LIMITED USE STANDARDS.
SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SECTIONS.
THEY WOULD BOTH BE SEPARATE LAND USES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE ZONING COMPLIANCE PROCESS WORKS. SO THERE HAVE TO BE A SEPARATE LANE TO USE FOR NOT TO COMPLICATE ANYTHING.
BUT I WONDER IF IF WE HAD A SITUATION, I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SHRIMP ON 51ST STREET. IF YOU HAD A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD A SINGLE TRUCK, BUT YOU ALSO HAD ENOUGH REAL ESTATE TO PROVIDE PARKING, IF YOU COULD THEN SAY, WELL, NOW, NOW YOU CAN HAVE SEATING FOR UP TO TWO PEOPLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND YES, HE LIVES BY THE PARK STANDARDS, BUT HE JUST HAS ONE TRUCK IN THIS BLOCK.
BUT WE JUST DEFINED THE PARK AS HAVING ONE OR MORE TRUCKS.
YEAH, I THINK THE POINT BEING THE POINT BEING IS, YOU KNOW, IF IF, IF A SITUATION ARISES WHERE SOMEONE ACTUALLY HAS AN EXCESS PARKING ON SITE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT THEY COULD JUST PULL UP SORT OF ITS OWN COMPLIANCE FOR A CONCESSION PARK AND BE THE SAME THING, BUT THEY WOULDN'T MAKE IT WOULD BE OUR DEFINITION OF A PARK.
SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? PARK DEFINITIONS, WHERE THREE OR MORE CONCESSIONS GATHER IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
I THOUGHT WE HAD TWO OR MORE THREE THREE IN THE CURRENT, WHICH WAS CURRENT VERSUS PROPOSED. OH, THIS IS CURRENT.
OK, RIGHT? SO WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THAT TO BE TOO.
SO WHEN THEY BELIEVE THE PERMIT, THEY SHOW US WHAT THEIR LAYOUT IS.
SO IT'S LAID OUT FOR TWO OR MORE.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THEY'RE ALWAYS THAT NUMBER OF TRUCKS THERE.
OK, SO IF SOMEBODY CAME TO YOU AND THEY SAID, I'VE GOT ONE TRUCK.
RIGHT NOW, AND THEY HAD THE REAL ESTATE TO PARK A COUPLE OF CARS OR MAYBE EVEN ANOTHER TRUCK AT SOME FUTURE POINT.
AND THEY SAID, I WANT TO PUT A PICNIC TABLE OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE TO SHOW US HOW THEY WOULD BE SET UP TO BE A CONCESSION PARK AND THEN WE WOULD APPROVE IT. OK, SO THEY WON'T THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER TRUCK OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO PLAY, TO BE ABLE TO TO PERMIT, ACCORDING TO THE FOOD COURT.
OK, SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
OK. OK, SO IF YOU WANT TRUCK AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH REAL ESTATE, YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE A PICNIC TABLE OUT THERE IF YOU WANT.
YEAH, PROVIDED YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE PERMITTED FOR THE SHRIMP TRUCK.
THANK YOU FOR. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.
YES, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. LET'S KEEP AN EYE ON THE TIME COMMISSIONER.
WE'VE GOT, YEAH, AND WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT QUITE A BIT MORE TO COVER.
WE'VE GOT TO TALK ABOUT PUSH CARTS AND WE'VE ALSO GOT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM HERE AND THE TEMPORARY PERMITS.
SO LET'S GO NEXT TO PUSHCARTS AND THEN LET'S GO TO OUR TEMPORARY PERMITS IF THAT'S OK WITH Y'ALL. SO HOW SHOULD PUSHCARTS BE ADDRESSED? THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS SILENT ON THE ISSUE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS TREATING PUSH CARTS OR CREDIT CARDS AS A CONCESSION OR MOBILE CONCESSION, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY SELL.
PREPARED FOOD VERSUS PREPACKAGED NOVELTY.
STAFF ALSO REQUEST DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLOWING PUSH CARTS TO SELL NON-FOOD ITEMS OR
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MERCHANDISE IS ADVISABLE.PUSH CARTS SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED FROM SELLING ANYTHING BUT FOOD ITEMS, OR DO YOU ALL RECOMMEND PROHIBITING PUSH CARTS ALTOGETHER? AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING ON THAT NOTE.
HAPPY NOTE. SO PLEASE HAPPY NOTE, PLEASE.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING ONE THING OR THE OTHER.
BUT LET'S LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THE REASON THAT WE HAVE NEVER SEEN A PUSH CART PERMIT IS BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS. THEY HAVE TO STAY IN ONE SPOT [INAUDIBLE] SO BUT WE WOULD LET STAFF DETERMINATION IS IF IT'S COME UP, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL APPLICANTS IN THE PAST.
WE'VE SAID, YEAH, WE PERMIT YOU AS A CONCESSION NOW NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW AND RUSTY MAY KNOW BETTER, BETTER THAN I ON THIS.
NUMBER ONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW GCHD SEES PUSHCARTS.
THEY MAY NOT PERMIT THEM AT ALL.
NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO BE MOSTLY ON SEAWALL.
OK, NOW THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE ONE THAT WE PERMIT THEM AS A CONCESSION.
THEY CAN MOVE. THEY HAVE THREE LOCATIONS AND THEY CAN MOVE IN, RIGHT? BAM, BAM, BAM.
PROPOSED REGULATIONS AND THEY'RE BEING [INAUDIBLE] CONCESSION.
OTHERWISE, IF THEY'RE MOVING FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND THEY'RE PUSHING THE CART DOWN SEAWALL IN THE RIGHT OF WAY TO GO TO THE NEXT SPOT AND SOMEONE STOPS AND SAYS, HEY, CAN I GET A HOT DOG? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, MEET ME TWO BLOCKS DOWN.
THEY'RE GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE AND SELL A HOT DOG.
SO THAT AUTOMATICALLY SETS UP A POTENTIAL INCENTIVE FOR VIOLATION.
SO THAT'S JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
AND ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT SORT OF THING IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE SEAWALL RIGHT OF WAY. AND BROADWAY AND 61ST STREET BECAUSE OF TXDOT REGULATIONS.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAY, DO WE WANT TO PERMIT THEM AT ALL? AND IF SO, UNDER WHAT PARAMETERS? I GOT A QUESTION.
MR. PUTTAM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ON PUSHCARTS? YES. WOW.
GO AHEAD. OK. MOST OF IT IS JUST THE NOVELTY ITEMS THAT ARE BEING SOLD AND THEY PUSH THEM. [INAUDIBLE] THERE EITHER ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEY'RE PUSHING THEM DOWN THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, OR THEY HAVE TO GET OUT IN THE STREET TO GO AROUND BECAUSE THE SIDEWALKS ARE JUST PACKED WHERE THEY CAN'T MOVE.
NOW THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE YOU GET KIDS WANTING TO RUN UP TO THE STREET CARTS TO SEE THE LITTLE LIGHTED LAWNS OR SPINNING THINGS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE THEY'RE SELLING.
OK, SO YOU HAVE TRAFFIC THAT'S BEING CONGESTED.
YOU'VE GOT POSSIBILITY OF CHILDREN GETTING HIT BY AUTOMOBILES AND PEOPLE JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE MAYBE THEY'VE ENJOYED THEMSELVES A LITTLE TOO MUCH EARLIER IN THE DAY.
[INAUDIBLE] DO THEY MOSTLY INVOLVE NOVELTY ITEMS OR ARE THEY INVOLVED FOOD SERVICE ITEMS? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY FOOD SERVICE ITEMS THAT I'VE HAD.
OK, SO THIS IS JUST REALLY SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DEAL FOR THOSE ARE PEDDLERS CARTS.
THERE DEFINITION FOR PEDDLERS, CARDS PEDDLER.
WHAT WAS IT? THE WAY WE CURRENTLY USE IT? PEDDLER REFERS TO DOOR-TO-DOOR SALES, NOT NECESSARILY A SORRY ABOUT COME UP THAT DID COME UP. PEDDLERS WERE IN THERE, BUT WE DID HAVE THAT.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TAKING PEDDLERS OUT, BUT PEDDLER PEDDLERS WERE IN THERE AND DEFINED TRADITIONALLY AS DOOR TO DOOR SALESMAN LIKE AN OLD YOU'RE OLD LIKE ME.
FULLER BRUSH MAN, THE SAN ANTONIO, IT'S CALLED THE VENDORS OF FOOT OR FOOT VENDORS.
YES. DANIEL HAS NO IDEA WHAT FULLER BRUSH, MAN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW.
AREN'T THOSE TYPES OF VENDORS THAT PUSH CARTS FOR NOVELTY ITEMS, AREN'T THEY IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF CODE? THEY'RE NOT IN THE FOOD TRUCK STUFF OR.
NO, NO, THEY'RE NOT. I JUST POINT THAT OUT IS AS A POINT OF REFERENCE.
AND YOU KNOW, IN THE CASE OF, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION WITH JAMES IS THAT OVER THERE IS THAT. YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THAT AT ALL FOR FOOD SERVICE ITEMS OR EITHER OR.
WELL, IT'S A GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE WE KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE GIVEN OURSELVES AN ABILITY TO ADD SERVICES IN INTO THESE INTO THESE SESSIONS.
SO AS SOMEBODY, AS AS DANIEL HAS BROUGHT UP OVER AND OVER, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PULL UP AND SELL CAPS SOMEWHERE, THEY COULD THEORETICALLY PULL UP AND SELL CAPS OR RENT SKATES OR WHATEVER. I'M SORRY.
THE SAN ANTONIO ORDINANCE ADDRESSES, THEY CALL IT VENDORS AFOOT AND AND THEY ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY FOOD VERSUS OTHER STUFF.
AND THE FOOD VENDORS WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO THINGS THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE HOT WATER.
AND CAN YOU IMAGINE A SETUP LIKE THAT, PLUS ALL THE FOOD YOU'VE GOT TO PREPARE AND
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PUSHING THAT THING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO VERY FAR.LUCKY DOG MAN, IN NEW ORLEANS, YOU EVER SEEN THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT REAL FREQUENTLY.
YOU GOT TO REALLY HAVE YOUR BUSINESS PLAN TOGETHER AND MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK, I WOULD THINK. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO VERY FAR WITH IT WHEREVER YOU GO.
THAT MAY BE WHY WE DON'T SEE VERY MANY.
SO THAT'S GOT TO BE A HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO OFFICER POPE WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU FIND THOSE VENDORS? ONLY VENDOR I'VE EVER HAD THAT'S BEEN SELLING FOOD.
IT'S BEEN DURING MARDI GRAS AND THEY WERE SELLING POPCORN BALLS.
YES. AND THEY BEFORE WE COULD GET TO THEM, WE SHUT THEM DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PROPER PERMITS. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD GET THAT WOULD REQUIRE HEALTH CODE, THE PERMITS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND IN AND SELL THIS MERCHANDISE, BECAUSE I THINK OF THAT AS LIKE A HOTDOG [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU FIND WHAT DO YOU WHEN YOU HAVE LIKE IF THEY'RE SELLING BEADS.
THAT'S JUST A REGULAR, THAT'S JUST A VIOLATION FOR THE VENDOR.
THEY DON'T HAVE A VENDOR FOR IT.
SO YOU JUST WRITE THEM UP AS A VIOLATION ON THAT.
USUALLY WE HAVE TO ESCORT THEM TO THEIR AUTOMOBILES SO THEY CAN LEAVE, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST TURN THEM LOOSE AFTER YOU ISSUE THEM THE CITATION, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO GO A BLOCK AWAY, AND TURN ON THE LIGHTS AND STUFF AND THE KIDS ARE GOING TO FLAG THEM DOWN, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S IT'S JUST GOING TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOBODY HAS A THERE ARE NO NOBODY HAS A PERMIT.
NOBODY'S ABLE TO GET A PERMIT FOR THOSE.
I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY ABLE TO.
I MEAN, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY WERE WITHIN THE EVENT ZONE, THAT'S OF COURSE DONE BY THE EVENT ORGANIZER.
BUT A LOT OF THOSE FOLKS, THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE EVENT ZONES.
THAT'S THREE OF THE EVENTS, WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH THE BIG ONES ANYWAY.
BUT SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT JUST MARDI GRAS OR WHATEVER, BUT THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.
SO SOMEONE'S TO HAVE LIKE A NEW YORK STYLE HOT DOG STAND ON ON SEAWALL SOMEWHERE.
WE'LL DO, WE WANT TO ALLOW THAT OR NOT.
AND IF SO, UNDER WHAT PARAMETERS.
SO IT'S IT'S A BIGGER QUESTION.
SORRY, GO AHEAD. THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I THINK WE NEED SOME HEALTH DEPARTMENT INPUT ON BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY SOME KIND OF ANTICIPATE SOME KIND OF REGULATION AROUND THAT. WELL, AND DANIEL YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT TXDOT PROHIBITS THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WITHIN THEIR STATE RIGHT AWAY, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE YOU SAID SEAWALL IN SIX AND A HALF AND HARBOR VIEW ON ALL PORTIONS OF SAFETY FIRST.
RIGHT. NOT ALL PORTIONS OF SEAWALL.
OK. BUT THE POINT BEING THAT THIS ACTUALLY IS WE'RE IN ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MOBILE VENDORS, THE PREPACKAGED, YOU KNOW, NOVELTIES, THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS THEY CAN TRANSIT, BUT THEY CAN'T STOP BECAUSE THEY'D BE IN VIOLATION OF STATE REGULATION ON THE STATE ON STATE ROADWAYS.
YEAH. YES. BUT YOU CAN STOP ON THE SEAWALL ON LIKE AT 25THSTREET.
THEY CAN PULL INTO A PRIVATE PROPERTY SOMEWHERE AND SELL.
YEAH, BUT THEY COULDN'T LIKE STOP IN THE STREET IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION. SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS WILL IF WE ALLOW PUSH CARTS AND IF THE PUSH CARTS ARE TRANSITING FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY SELLING.
DO THE SAME THING AS THE MOBILE VENDORS, TECHNICALLY.
YEAH. IF SOMEONE STOPS AND STOPS THEM AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, HEY, MY KIDS WANT HOT DOGS OR WHATEVER IN BETWEEN, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY MAYBE TWO BLOCKS DOWN OR WHATEVER.
THEY'RE GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, GOOD.
I'LL JUST THROW THIS OUT THERE.
I SAY FOR FOOD SERVICE ITEMS, NO PUSH CARTS.
THE GUY WITH THE WITH THE POPCORN BALLS, IF THOSE WERE PREPACKAGED AND HE GOT THEM FROM NO DIFFERENT THAN ICE CREAM, THEN HE WOULD FALL UNDER THE THE RULES OF THE ICE CREAM GUYS.
AND I'VE LITERALLY I'VE HAD THAT ONE TIME.
I JUST FOR A BETTER BE JUST TO IF WE IF WE IF WE REACH A CONSENSUS AND WE SAY NO PUSH CARTS FOR FOOD ITEMS, DO WE STILL NEED TO REVISIT PUSH CARTS IN GENERAL AS A FOR NON-FOOD ITEMS, DANIEL, THE SAME PROBLEM COULD POTENTIALLY ARISE.
OK, SO LET'S JUST LET'S PUT ONE.
LET'S PUT. ONE TO BED, CAN WE SAY NO PUSH CARTS FOR FOOD ITEMS, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU AGREE WITH NO PUSH CARTS FOR FOOD ITEMS, YOU'RE NOT READY.
YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO SAY? I JUST LIKE TO [INAUDIBLE] OK, ALL RIGHT.
WE'RE GOING TO WE'LL COME BACK TO PUSHCARTS THEN.
ONE MORE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PUT TO BED REAL QUICKLY TODAY, AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
CAN WE GET TO PLEASE THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION APPLICATION? RIGHT? I THINK THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED A VARIATION OF THIS.
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THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED A LITTLE BIT TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THE, I GUESS, PERMISSIONS THAT CHAIRPERSON BROWN HAD POINTED OUT.FOR EXAMPLE, THE VEHICLE MAKE MODEL AND VIN, THAT WAS ADDED VERY SPECIFICALLY ON THE BOTTOM THERE. THAT WAS MICHAEL.
YOU SIMPLY POINTED OUT THAT, HEY, WE'RE MISSING THIS.
OK, BOB, DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR THINGS WERE ADDED? YEAH, SOME OF THEM DIDN'T WIND UP ON THE APPLICATION, BUT THEY'RE IN THE BODY OF THE ORDINANCE. WE CAN ALWAYS AMEND THE CHECKLIST ITSELF AS NEEDED.
YEAH, THERE WERE ALL THOSE THE THINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT WERE JUST A WAY TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN IDENTIFY THE OPERATION QUICKLY AND EASILY WHEN YOU GO TO INSPECT, LIKE THE DISPLAY FIRM I HAD YOU TALKED ABOUT.
IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE THEM A STICKER, BECAUSE THEN THAT MAY BE CONFUSED WITH AN ANNUAL STICKER.
SINCE THIS IS A TEMPORARY, YEAH, NOW WE COULD DO A SEPARATE TEMPORARY STICKER.
WE DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WITH OUR TEMPORARY AND SEASONAL PARKING LOTS, SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. BUT WE JUST NEED TO TELL THEM WHERE TO PUT IT.
YEAH, WE NEED TO TELL YOU WHERE TO STICK IT.
I MEAN, Y'ALL KNEW I COULDN'T LEAVE IT ALONE.
Y'ALL KNEW I HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHO I AM SORRY.
IT COULD BE THE VERY SAME LANGUAGE AS WE'VE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, BECAUSE COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT STICKER SCHEME.
BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW THE SAME THING.
IF IT'S SOMEBODY IS LEAVING IT THERE OVERNIGHT, EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST HERE FOR THE WEEKEND.
THEY NEED THE NATIONAL PARKS TO JUST PUT IT DOWN ON A PIECE OF PAPER THAT COMES OUT OF A REGISTERED RIGHT.
YEAH, WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE.
YEAH, YES, WE CAN PROBABLY FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO DO THAT AT THE STAFF LEVEL.
YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THE TEMPORARY VERSUS THE ANNUALS, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT STICKER, WHATEVER WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS AT THE STAFF LEVEL, I THINK.
SO WE'RE GOOD ON THAT ONE ON THAT PART OF IT.
OK, SO HERE'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE ON, WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
WE'VE DONE WE'VE LOOKED AT QUESTIONS, TOPICS REMAINING TEMPORARY, CONCESSIONS DONE, FEE STRUCTURE, PUSH CARDS.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH DIRECTIVES TO STAFF.
DANIEL AND I TALKED ABOUT TIMING ON ALL OF THIS.
THERE'S REALLY NO WAY FOR US TO GET APPROPRIATE INPUT FROM THE THE THE CONCESSION INDUSTRY PEOPLE AND GET THIS TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE APRIL MEETING.
THAT'S REALLY AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT TO THEM.
SO WE THOUGHT WE WOULD WAIT UNTIL THE MARCH EIGHT MEETING TO HAVE SOMETHING BACK AND TO HAVE IT TO THE OUR MARCH 8TH MEETING TO HAVE TO INVITE THE CONCESSIONS, FOLKS IN.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL HEAR WHAT THEY THEIR INPUT, WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
THEN WE'LL WORKSHOP THIS ONCE MORE ON MARCH 22ND AND THEN WE'LL GET IT ALL TIDIED UP AND HAVE IT READY TO HAND OVER TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR APRIL MEETING.
NOW WHAT I DIDN'T ANTICIPATE, BUT LUCKILY WE HAD THIS MEETING IN HERE, DANIEL.
I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK ON THE TWENTY SECOND AND I THINK WE ONLY NEED ONE HOUR.
WE CAN DO THIS AT TWO THIRTY ON THE TWENTY SECOND.
I THINK WE NEED TO SEE THE B CHART THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO THE CONCESSION FOLKS.
I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PUSH CARTS BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE WHAT BOB ASKED FOR AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO OVER THIS DISPOSAL AT THE COMMISSARY ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
NOW, DO YOU ALL THINK AN HOUR IS LONG ENOUGH TO DO ALL THAT THE WAY WE'D LIKE TO TALK? OR DO WE NEED AN HOUR AND A HALF KIDS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE TO RUSH.
STAFF SUGGEST AN HOUR AND A HALF. STAFF SUGGEST AN HOUR AND A HALF OK, STAFF SUGGESTS AN HOUR AND A STAFF KNOWS HIS GROUP.
THANK YOU, DANIEL. OH, WE GOT DANIEL TO BLUSH A LITTLE BIT.
FOR QUORUM PURPOSES, I WILL NOT BE HERE ON MARCH 22ND.
OK, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, CATHERINE, WILL YOU HELP ME REMEMBER THAT? PLEASE, MA'AM? THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHTY. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT PUTS US WITH A WORKSHOP ON FEBRUARY 22ND, MARCH 8TH AND MARCH 22ND.
YOU ALL HAVE MY APOLOGIES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT THIS BABY TO BED.
GOOD DEAL. AND AND I THANK YOU ALL BECAUSE I THINK WE WILL HAVE DONE SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. OK.
ALL RIGHT. THIS WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED.
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LET'S GO NEXT DOOR, EVERYBODY.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.