WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH THE WORKSHOP, THOUGH TODAY, I GUESS WE'LL CALL THE
[1. Call Meeting to Order]
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MEETING TO ORDER AT TWO O'CLOCK, JANUARY 4TH, FOR THE WORKSHOP OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. AND DANIEL, ARE YOU READY TO LEAD US OFF ON THIS? LET'S--[2. Attendance]
[INAUDIBLE] ALWAYS READY. I'M GOING TO DO A QUICK ROLL CALL SO THAT WE'LL DOCUMENT WHO'S HERE. OH YEAH. GOOD IDEA.[INAUDIBLE] EDWARDS IS NOT HERE, WE'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN SHE JOINS US.
[INAUDIBLE]. HERE. [INAUDIBLE].
HERE. JOHN PAUL LISTOWSKI IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE, BUT WE WILL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN HE JOINS US. WE HAVE FROM THE STAFF MYSELF, CATHERINE GORMAN, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, SENIOR PLANNER DANIEL LUNSFORD, AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DONNA FAIRWEATHER.
OK. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO FIND OUT IF ANYBODY HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BEFORE WE GET STARTED. IF NOBODY DOES, THEN I GUESS WE CAN GET STARTED.
[4. Discussion Items]
DANIEL. ALRIGHTY.LET ME PULL A COUPLE OF THINGS UP REAL FAST.
AS USUAL, I WAS PRESSED FOR TIME WITH THE FRONT COUNTER TODAY, SO [INAUDIBLE] JUST GET EVERYTHING OPEN REAL FAST.
WE ARE [INAUDIBLE] WHILE EVERYONE IS WAITING ON ME, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MICHELE HAY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, JOIN US IF SHE'S ABLE TO TODAY.
SHE HAS SOME THINGS TO SAY AND SOME THOUGHTS TO SHARE, I BELIEVE ABOUT POSSIBLE WAYS TO ENCOURAGE, KNOW CONCESSION PARKS TO FORM.
I BELIEVE SHE WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
OK, GOOD. DANIEL, IF I RECALL, YOUR LAST DOCUMENT THAT YOU SENT, WHICH WAS A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE WERE AND A COUPLE OF ITEMS AND TOPICS REMAINING ON THE LAST PAGE OF IT.
SOME OF IT HAD TO DO WITH WHAT YOU NEEDED FROM US, AND SOME OF IT HAD TO DO WITH WHAT YOU WOULD FOLLOW UP ON.
AND IT JUST SAID OF THE TOPICS REMAINING, WE WERE TO REVIEW AND [INAUDIBLE] TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND YOU HAD A DRAFT PERMIT THERE IN YOUR PACKAGE.
[INAUDIBLE] THE OTHER WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS IF ANY AND YOU HAD THAT WAS PART OF THE MODEL ORDINANCE FROM SAN ANTONIO INCLUDED A LANGUAGE ABOUT A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK AND THEN DIRECTIVE TO STAFF INCLUDED POSSIBLE INCENTIVES TO ENCOURAGE FOOD TRUCK PARKS.
AND I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT FROM MICHELE.
AND ALSO STAFF WAS GOING TO REPORT ON NOISE NUISANCE ISSUES WAS ASSOCIATED WITH ALLOWING GENERATORS, AND ANOTHER ONE WAS TO REPORT ON A POSSIBLE [INAUDIBLE] STRUCTURE FOR POSSIBLE TEMPORARY PERMITS AND ANNUAL PERMITS.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS SUMMARIZED ON YOUR LAST REPORT.
I'VE GOT THAT MEMO PULLED UP HERE FOR MY REFERENCE.
WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE POWERPOINT.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SHARE TO START OFF WITH.
LET ME SEE IF MICHELE IS READY REAL FAST.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL SEE IF MICHELE CAN MAKE IT.
IT WAS HER INTENTION TO, BUT YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN A VERY DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT.
SO I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IF CATHERINE CAN PULL THAT UP.
IT'S TAKING A VERY LONG TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, BUT IT SHOULD BE UP [INAUDIBLE].
NOW, ZOOM IS BEING STUBBORN ALL OF A SUDDEN.
[INAUDIBLE] TERRIBLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES YESTERDAY AT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.
[INAUDIBLE] 20 MINUTES TO START.
SO. AT LEAST WE'RE NOT HAVING THOSE KIND OF ISSUES.
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WELL, SHOWING ON MY SCREEN, BUT IT'S NOT SHOWING ON [INAUDIBLE] SCREEN.IT'S KNOCK ON WOOD, CATHERINE.
I KNOW I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT.
NOW [INAUDIBLE] SEE HOW LONG IT TAKES IT TO GO FROM ONE SLIDE TO THE OTHER.
ALRIGHT, SO, YEAH, AS BOB MENTIONED, WE HAVE A FEW OUTSTANDING ISSUES, AND I ADDED A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY EASY TO GO OVER BECAUSE CATHERINE HAS SINCE, YOU KNOW, CHATTED WITH ME ABOUT AT LEAST THE FIRST ONE.
BUT WE HAVE A 500 FOOT BUFFER FROM SCHOOLS FROM AN HOUR BEFORE, YOU KNOW, TO AN HOUR AFTER SCHOOL'S IN SESSION, CATHERINE INDICATED TO ME THAT WAS HER RECOLLECTION THAT GISD HAD REQUESTED THAT.
AND SO WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO IS GET BACK IN CONTACT WITH GISD AND SEE IF THAT THOUGHT OR THAT REQUEST HAS CHANGED AT ALL.
SO I THINK WE CAN TABLE THAT FIVE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ISSUE FOR NOW.
ANOTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, THE SPACING PER CONCESSION.
CAROL HOLLOWAY, ACTUALLY, I THINK BROUGHT THAT UP AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WHEN SHE WAS STILL PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION WAS NEVER REALLY RESOLVED AS TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH SPACE IS ENOUGH SPACE FOR A CONCESSION.
AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF ON ANY GIVEN LOT WAS JUST KIND OF PART [INAUDIBLE] PARCEL WITH THE CONCESSION PARK DISCUSSIONS, REALLY.
WE ALSO HAVE THE OUTSTANDING QUESTION I DON'T BELIEVE WAS EVER ANSWERED DEFINITIVELY ABOUT THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENTS.
AND, YEAH, REVIEW AND FINALIZE TEMPORARY PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, I HAVE SOME SLIDES ON THAT TOWARD THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND THEN I WILL GO OVER SOME OF THE FINDINGS THAT STAFF HAS COME UP WITH IN REGARDS TO OUR HOMEWORK, THAT WE HAD THE DIRECTIVES FROM THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP MEETING AND HOPEFULLY MICHELE WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
SHE MAY BE THERE NOW. I SEE LIKE THREE PLANNING STAFF, SO SHE MAY BE ONE OF THEM.
SO HERE IS ONE SLIDE ADDRESSING THE SPACING OR THE NUMBER OF CONCESSIONS AND RIGHT NOW WE SAY ONE CONCESSION TRUCK PER 1000 SQUARE FOOT FOR A PARK.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, IS THAT ENOUGH? IS THAT NOT ENOUGH? IS THAT ADEQUATE? AND SO I PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF QUICK SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF SHOW TWO POSSIBLE WAYS WE COULD ADDRESS IT BASED ON GEOMETRY FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
SO I DREW A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF SIMPLE, DIFFERENT ONE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PIECES OF LAND.
AND I SHOWED CENTERED ON THOSE OF A EIGHT FOOT WIDE BY 20 FOOT LONG FOOD TRUCK, WHICH IS A PRETTY COMMON DIMENSION FOR A SELF-PROPELLED MOBILE FOOD UNIT. AND SO YOU CAN SEE FOR A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF, SAY, IT WAS A 50 BY 20 AREA OR A 40 BY 25, AND THIS IS REALLY JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH SPACE A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT COULD BE.
OF COURSE, THERE IN THE MIDDLE, YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE TWELVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT AND HOW THAT KIND OF RELATES TO THE TRUCKS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, A 1500 SQUARE FOOT SHAPE.
AND IN EVERY CASE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME SCALE FOR REFERENCE, AND IT'S THE SAME SIZE TRUCK.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND SO THIS ONE IS BASED ON SPACING.
SO, ON THE FAR LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS WHAT A PORTION OF A THEORETICAL CONCESSION PARK WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THE VEHICLES WERE 10 FOOT APART, IF THEY WERE 15 FOOT APART IN BOTH BOTH DIRECTIONS, YOU KNOW BOTH AXES.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE MIDDLE WHAT 15 FOOT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
[INAUDIBLE] END OF THE 20 FOOT SPACING, YOU SEE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HOW BIG THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN KIND OF A PRACTICAL LIMIT ON HOW MANY TRUCKS, YOU
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KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE.WHAT I NOTICED WAS INTERESTING IS, IF YOU DO A 20 FOOT SPACING, YOU END UP WITH TWELVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT, WHICH WAS KIND OF THE MEDIAN VALUE OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
SO THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF GRAPHICS THAT HOPEFULLY WILL HELP COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, FRAME THE DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD.
SO, WOULD WE LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS NOW OR JUST GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN REVISIT EACH TOPIC, BOB, WHAT DO YOU THINK? OK. DANIEL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE WHOLE [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN LET'S GO BACK [INAUDIBLE] AND DISCUSS [INAUDIBLE]? SURE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
IN THAT CASE, I'LL ASK [INAUDIBLE] THE NEXT SLIDE.
OK, SO THIS IS A TEMPORARY PERMIT REQUIREMENTS, AND THIS IS JUST SOME STAFF THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS BASED ON SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO SEE WHAT THEY DO.
AND THESE ARE JUST KIND OF SOME STAFF SUGGESTIONS OR OBSERVATIONS, IF YOU WILL, ABOUT WHAT A TEMPORARY PERMIT MAY MORE OR LESS LOOK LIKE.
SO, FIRST OF ALL, YOU KNOW, THE PERMIT WILL BE GOOD ONLY A COURSE FOR THE DAY SPECIFIED ON THE APPLICATION.
IT COULD BE LESS THAN 14 DAYS, BUT IT CAN'T BE MORE PER STATE LAW.
STATE LAW CAPS THESE EVENTS TO 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
WE TOOK AN AVERAGE OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS STUDIED, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN AND TRAVIS COUNTY, HOUSTON, HARRIS COUNTY AND SAN MARCOS, AND THAT WAS ALSO PRESENTED IN A PREVIOUS MEMO.
AND THE AVERAGE IS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS PER DAY, SOME WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE. SOME WERE A LITTLE BIT LESS, SOME WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, BUT THEY AVERAGED OUT TO BE ABOUT TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS A DAY.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU RECALL SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE MORE DAYS THAT WERE IN THE PERMIT, THE MORE EXPENSIVE THE DAYS BECOME, BUT THEN IN OTHERS IT WAS THE OPPOSITE. THE FIRST FEW DAYS WERE EXPENSIVE.
IN THE LONGER THE PERMIT RAN, THE CHEAPER THE DAYS WENT.
BUT FOR SIMPLIFICATION OF THE PROCESS, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, SAY, TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS PER DAY, BECAUSE THAT KIND OF ENCOMPASSES BOTH SYSTEMS ON THE AVERAGE.
IT MUST BE SUBMITTED 10 BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL LANGUAGE FOR OUR CITY CODE IN GENERAL, FOR THESE SORTS OF THINGS AND SIMILAR PERMITS.
IN MANY JURISDICTIONS, CHARGE A LATE FEE FOR, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO SUBMITTED AFTER THAT, CLOSER TO THE EVENT.
OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF-- WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING, WELL, SORRY, YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT IN BY 10 DAYS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A PERMIT, BUT THERE IS A WAY TO RECOUP SOME STAFF TIME.
IF YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LATE SUBMITTAL AND HONESTLY, THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM LATE SUBMITTALS, IT MIGHT KIND OF ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE ON TIME.
WE DID-- I THINK WE HAD PREVIOUSLY OR RATHER PLANNING COMMISSION HAD PREVIOUSLY RECOMMENDED SOME, YOU KNOW, FEES EXEMPT FOR SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, NON-PROFITS FOR THEIR FUNDRAISING EVENTS.
BUT STAFF [INAUDIBLE] RECOMMEND THAT THE PERMIT ITSELF IS NOT EXEMPT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF A PERMANENT IS STILL REQUIRED, [INAUDIBLE] AT LEAST GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CONCESSIONS INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE HEALTH DISTRICT TEMPORARY PERMIT AND, YOU KNOW, COMMISSARY AGREEMENT AND JUST THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT KIND OF HELP ENSURE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
SO, WHAT COULD A TEMPORARY PERMIT REQUIRE? YOU KNOW, IT BEGS THE QUESTION, DO WE NEED TO REQUIRE THE EXACT SAME THINGS FOR A TEMPORARY PERMIT THAT WE DO FOR AN ANNUAL? THAT'S A QUESTION FOR COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT.
AT THE VERY LEAST, STAFF SUGGESTS THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR A TEMPORARY PERMIT BE, OF COURSE, A COMPLETE APPLICATION, A GCHD TEMPORARY PERMIT, WHICH WOULD CERTAINLY BE A REQUIREMENT, A COMMISSAIRE AGREEMENT, PERHAPS, GOVERNMENT PHOTO ID, IF NOT A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK. YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OUTSTANDING QUESTION AS WELL.
STATE SALES AND USE TAX LICENSE.
[INAUDIBLE], THAT'S KIND OF THE BASICS OF, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A FRAMEWORK TO START WITH FOR
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THE TEMPORARY PERMITS.THAT MIGHT BE THE LAST SLIDE, ACTUALLY.
YEP, THAT'S LAST SLIDE. ALRIGHT.
CATHERINE, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE? I'LL PULL IT UP [INAUDIBLE] FROM MY REFERENCE.
I THINK THAT'S ALL STAFF HAS FOR NOW TO FRAME THE DISCUSSION.
YEAH, DANIEL, WHAT-- COULD YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDES AND LET US GO THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME? WE'LL COVER THAT FIRST.
CATHERINE, OK. WHILE SHE IS DOING THAT, DANIEL, THAT TEMPORARY CONCESSION APPLICATION THAT YOU SENT OUT AS PART OF YOUR SUMMARY PACKAGE.
THAT'S INTENDED TO BE THE ONLY PERMIT APPLICATION FOR THE TEMPORARY CONCESSIONS, RIGHT? YES, AND THIS WAS BASED, IF YOU RECALL, WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THE CURRENT TEMPORARY PARKING SEASONAL EVENT PARKING PERMIT AS KIND OF A TEMPLATE.
AND I JUST BASICALLY MODIFIED IT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT STAFF THOUGHT MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO START, BUT OF COURSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING NOW.
YEAH, I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT [INAUDIBLE], I WAS LOOKING AT THAT, AS WHAT THAT DOCUMENT IS WHAT WE MIGHT BE EDITING FOR DISCUSSION TODAY.
MM HMM. OK, SO ON THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO THAT FIRST BULLET ITEM LATER AFTER YOU GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. WE WILL REACH OUT TO GISD AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THEIR INPUT.
OK, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE SPACING FOR CONCESSION.
I THOUGHT YOUR NEXT SLIDE WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
I HAD A DIFFERENT IDEA ABOUT WHAT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WAS RELATIVE TO FOOD TRUCKS BEFORE THEN. [INAUDIBLE], CAN WE LOOK AT THAT NEXT SLIDE REAL QUICK AND TALK ABOUT THAT SECOND BULLET, YEAH, THAT ONE.
SO WHERE DO WE SEE THIS THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT REGULATORY THING? THAT IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE IN OUR CONCESSIONS.
CONCESSION PARKS CAN HAVE ONE CONCESSION PER 1000 SQUARE FOOT.
AND YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION MAY BE TO KEEP IT OR CHANGE IT.
BUT YEAH, THE GRAPHICS WERE REALLY JUST TO HELP, YOU KNOW, FRAME KIND OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A SPATIAL SENSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW TO BE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET FOR A FOOD TRUCK, IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT UNREASONABLE.
WELL, WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE THINK? GO AHEAD, RUSTY. YOU'RE MUTED.
SO, ANYBODY GOT A COMMENT? I THOUGHT RUSTY WAS MUTED THERE.
I AGREE, I THINK A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET DOESN'T LOOK BAD AT ALL BECAUSE IN THEORY, IF YOU'RE IN A PARK OR WITH MULTIPLE OF THESE, NOBODY'S GOING TO BE SEATING IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE TRUCK.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SEATED AND EATING AWAY FROM THE TRUCK.
ONE THING I NOTICED IS THAT WE'RE SQUARING UP THE VEHICLE RIGHT IN THE CENTER.
AND THERE WILL BE INSTANCES WHERE THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE PRACTICAL, FOR EXAMPLE, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE PRACTICAL IF HE HAD MULTIPLE TRUCKS AND YOU'RE USING THE BACKSIDE OF A FENCE, THEN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU COULD SAY A THOUSAND FOOT, BUT THEN YOU'RE STICKING THEM OUT. WE'D HAVE TO STICK THEM OUT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON ONE OF THEM, THE TWENTY FIVE FOOT, SO THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE, DIVIDED BY THREE.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT FOOT AWAY FROM THE BACK OF THE FENCE.
WHICH [INAUDIBLE] REALLY NEED TO HAVE EIGHT FOOT GAP BACK THERE? WOULD THEY REALLY WANT TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT GAP BACK THERE? I THINK A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, IT'S A GOOD ROLLING PLAN.
BUT WHAT ABOUT-- HOW, DO YOU ADDRESS WHEN THE SPACE THAT'S BEING USED FOR CONCESSION
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FOOD TRUCKS DOESN'T FIT THE SQUARE RECTANGULAR PLAN? ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW VARIANCE SO THEY COULD HAVE LESS THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IF THAT WAS MINIMIZED BY THE BACKSIDE OF FOOD TRUCK, IN OTHER WORDS? I MEAN, CURRENTLY OF STAFF REVIEWS, A CONCESSION PARK PERMIT, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE-- I GUESS I'LL NOTE THAT JOHN PAUL LISTOWSKI, COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI HAS JOINED US. IT'S ABOUT 2:20.[INAUDIBLE]. YEAH. THE WAY IT WORKS NOW THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW, YOU KNOW, ODD SHAPED A PARCEL MIGHT BE.
WE JUST LOOK AT THE BASE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND, YOU KNOW, DIVIDE BUY A THOUSAND, ROUND DOWN AND THAT'S HOW MANY CONCESSIONS [INAUDIBLE] WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
AND THAT'S AS FAR AS STAFF GOES WITH IT AT THIS TIME.
IF HAT HELPS IT ALL. DAVID-- [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH, I AGREE WITH STAN [INAUDIBLE] SO IN THAT 1000 SQUARE FOOT, WHAT IF YOU MOVE THIS I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
THAT'S OK, THEN [INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NEEDED FOR THE FRONT.
SO. DANIEL, IS THE DENSITY REQUIRED, IS IT-- ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN EITHER OR ALTERNATIVE TO SQUARE FOOTAGE VERSUS SPACING BETWEEN TRUCKS? OR IS THIS JUST A SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SPACING? THE INTENTION WAS TO, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT ONE OR THE OTHER AS A, YOU KNOW, OPTION JUST TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY TO SHOW EVERY POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, ONE THOUSAND OR TWELVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT CONFIGURATION OR WHATEVER.
SO WE DID A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, MATHEMATICALLY EASY DIMENSIONS.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT COULD BE EITHER OR.
AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS ALSO A PRACTICAL LIMIT TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, CITY STAFF CAN ENFORCE AND REGULATE.
SO, THERE IS CERTAINLY SOME ADVANTAGE TO KEEPING IT SOMEWHAT ABSTRACT.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
AND I THINK IF WE MAINTAINED A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT AND ADDED ON TOP WITHOUT A SPACING BETWEEN, I THINK IT WOULD BE OVERREGULATING.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT REGULATION WILL AUTOMATICALLY DRIVE A PARTICULAR SPACING BETWEEN THESE FOOD TRUCKS.
AND THAT WOULD ONLY HAPPEN IN A FOOD COURT SITUATION, OF COURSE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD GO AGAINST WHAT THE COURT IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE IF THEY WERE SQUEEZED [INAUDIBLE] SO MUCH THAT IT'D BE UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS.
AND I THINK WITH THAT THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RULE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THE SPACING OF THESE TRUCKS. BUT ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW THAT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE ALSO CONTAINS WHATEVER TABLES AND CHAIRS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE.
THAT'D BE PART OF WHAT THEY [INAUDIBLE] AND IN FOOD COURT SITUATIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SHARING THAT TABLE AND CHAIR SPACE.
SO, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT ALSO.
BOB, ONE MORE THING FOR DANIEL, TOO, IS GENERATOR SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
HOW WILL THAT GO INTO-- HOW WILL THIS TAKE ACCOUNT OF THAT AS WELL? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE PROVIDING ELECTRICITY IN THE FOOD COURTS AND NOT HAVING GENERATORS AT ONE TIME.
THAT'S TRUE, TOO. YEAH, THAT SOUNDS CORRECT.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S-- YEAH, I THINK-- I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF HAVE A PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT THAT.
THE GENERATORS? RIGHT, I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE TRUCKS THEY HAVE, I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER WALLA HAD HIS HAND RAISED, BUT I'LL MAKE THIS BRIEF.
BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE WAY IT IS NOW, A LOT OF THESE TRUCKS HAVE A LITTLE PLATFORM ON THE BACK AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN GENERATOR.
YOU BASICALLY CONSIDER IT PART OF THE TRUCK.
MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE ONE THAT SITS OUTSIDE, BUT THEY COULD.
POTENTIALLY. BUT IF PARKS ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW GENERATORS AND THAT DOES KIND OF SOLVE
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THE ISSUE, AT LEAST FOR PARKS.[INAUDIBLE] I CAN'T SEE RUSTY ON MY SCREEN, DOES HE HAVE HIS HAND UP? HE [INAUDIBLE] TO YES.
I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHERE THE MUTE BUTTON IS.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. DANIEL, WHAT ABOUT PARKING? IS THIS THOUSAND SQUARE-- IF WE'RE GOING TO-- IS PARKING GOING TO BE IN ADDITION TO THIS? YOU KNOW, IT COULD.
WE PREVIOUSLY HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF CONCESSIONS OR CONCESSION PARKS HAVE BECOME A LAND USE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE PARK-- IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SUBJECT TO THE DEFAULT PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS JUST AS A POINT TO THROW OUT THERE.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE NO PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR CONCESSION PARKS, AND I AM NOT AWARE OF THERE BEING ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH A CONCESSION PARK.
NOW, IF WE HAVE ONE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT IS PHENOMENALLY SUCCESSFUL, THAT COULD CHANGE. BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT BEING A PROBLEM IN GENERAL, IF THAT HELPS FRAME THE QUESTION.
I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS A PARK OUT HERE ON THE WEST END AND PARKING IS A BIG PROBLEM.
THERE ARE PEOPLE PARK ALL ALONG 3005 AT A BUSY INTERSECTION.
I MEAN, IT'S A HAZARD AND THEY'RE PARKING IN A [INAUDIBLE] AND THE PARK OPERATORS PUT UP SIGNS AND THEY HAVE SOME PARKING THERE.
BUT PARKING, IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A CONSIDERATION IN ALL THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GOES AND PUTS THIS OVER WHEREVER THEY PUT IT, AND THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A 5000 SQUARE FOOT LOT WITH FIVE FOOD TRUCKS WOULDN'T BE HARD TO ATTRACT 20 CARS.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT WORKS, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, A PLACE FOR-- WE NEED-- I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PARKING. IT'S JUST MY OPINION.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE ADDRESS THAT PREVIOUSLY OR NOT, OR I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT. CAN I BACKTRACK JUST A LITTLE BIT? I AGREE WITH RUSTY ON THE PARKING, ESPECIALLY AS THAT RELATES TO THE MOBILE FOOD COURTS, BUT DANIEL, ON YOUR HANDOUT, PREPARING US FOR THIS MEETING [INAUDIBLE] FROM PREVIOUS WORKSHOP THAT SAID, ELECTRICAL HOOKUPS COULD BE ANYTHING WHICH IS TYPICALLY PERMITTED UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE OR INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
STAFF TO VERIFY [INAUDIBLE] FIRE DEPARTMENT BUILDING PERMIT.
I THINK THAT STATEMENT WAS IN RELATION TO A MOBILE FOOD COURT UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THERE BE ELECTRICITY PROVIDED IN ORDER TO AVOID A WHOLE BUNCH OF NOISY GENERATORS.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CHRIS HARRISON OR FIRE MARSHAL AND WITH TODD SUKUP IN OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY BOTH INDICATED THAT IT'S ACTUALLY AND I THINK COMMISSIONER WALLA'S PRESENTATION LAST WORKSHOP BASICALLY SAID THE SAME THING, AND COMMISSIONER WALLA PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IT'S ACTUALLY EASIER TO SINGLE OUT WHAT IS AN UNSAFE WAY TO TAKE POWER THAN IT IS TO SPECIFY WHAT'S A SAFE WAY THAT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW, A PLUG-IN EXTENSION CORD LIKE YOU WOULD BUY IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOME DEPOT OR SOMETHING IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S PROBABLY NOT REALLY PERMISSIBLE THAT A GENERATOR, YOU KNOW, COULD WORK, WHETHER THAT BE A GASOLINE GENERATOR OR PROPANE GENERATOR, YOU KNOW, PLAYING INTO LIKE AN RV TYPE HOOKUP COULD WORK OR A T-POLE LIKE WE REQUIRE NOW THAT ANY OF THOSE REALLY WOULD BE SAFE FROM A, YOU KNOW, CODE AND LIFE SAFETY STANDPOINT, THAT THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY WOULD BE QUESTIONABLE IS IF YOU HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW. THE TRUCK PLUGGED INTO EXTENSION CORD AND THAT PLUGGED INTO A BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH. YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN IMAGINE SOMETHING LIKE AN RV TYPE OF A HOOK UP, LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE IT IN THE RV TRAILER PARK.
AND I BELIEVE THAT COMMISSIONER WALLA HAD ALSO MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF THESE FOOD TRUCKS WORK OFF OF THE EXACT SAME ELECTRICAL SYSTEM AS RVS DO.
I THINK HE SAID, LIKE EITHER A 30 OR 50 AMP PLUG, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
RIGHT, RIGHT. SO I MEAN, I THINK THAT ALL [INAUDIBLE] FINE.
AND BUT I ALSO THINK WHAT RUSTY SAID ABOUT THE PARKING, ESPECIALLY AT A MOBILE FOOD
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COURT, COULD BE A PROBLEM.DID YOU-- HAVE YOU [INAUDIBLE] ANYTHING ABOUT PARKING IN ANY OF THE OTHER MODEL ORDINANCES THAT YOU LOOKED AT DANIEL? I WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE EARLIER STUFF, WE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE CITIES.
OFFHAND, I DON'T REQUIRE THAT BEING COMMON.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, STAFF COULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT AND REVISIT THAT IF DESIRABLE OR, YOU KNOW, WE COULD THINK OF SOME OTHER WAY TO SAY, WELL, PARKING IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED AND THEN WE COULD DISCUSS AND THINK ABOUT, WELL, WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS MIGHT A TRUCK REQUIRE? SO I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO LOOK AT OTHER CITIES, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE POWER TO DO WHAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR GALVESTON AS WELL. YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE PROBLEMATIC WITH A MOBILE FOOD COURT BECAUSE THE [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME.
IT'S NOT GOING TO STAY CONSTANT.
AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO HAVE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS FLUCTUATE WITH THE NUMBER OF FOOD TRUCKS BECAUSE WE [INAUDIBLE] GOT TO BASE IT ON THE NUMBER OF FOOD TRUCKS BECAUSE THAT'S THE DEMAND. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DO THAT.
[INAUDIBLE], IT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO THOUGH BEFORE WE FINALIZE ALL THIS, IS HOW WE HANDLE PARKING. [INAUDIBLE].
IS SOMEBODY-- SOMEBODY ELSE THERE? OH, STAN, YES. OK.
WHAT ABOUT JUST WORDING PARKING WILL NOT BE SUCH AS TO BE A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL AND THAT WAY, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY. THE THOUGHT I'M HAVING IS, THAT WAY, IF YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT LIKE RUSTY WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE MARSHAL, COME UP AND ADDRESS THEM AND SAY, OK, THIS ISN'T WORKING OUT.
WE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
YOU NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE DIFFERENT AND NOT NECESSARILY TAKE THEIR PERMIT AWAY WHERE THEY CAN'T GET ANY REVENUE AND MAKE A LIVING, BUT JUST MAKE IT WORTH THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT PLACE OUT WEST NEEDS A DIFFERENT PLAN.
THEY NEED A DIFFERENT AREA OR I DON'T KNOW HOW-- I MEAN, YOU GET SOMEBODY THAT'S VERY POPULAR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEIR FRIED [INAUDIBLE], THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN GET THEM AND THEY'RE THE BEST IN THE WORLD AND YOU'VE GOT 30 PEOPLE IN LINE WAITING FOR THEM, OR YOU GOT A GUY THAT'S SELLING SNOW CONES AND THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
SO JUST, COULD WE PUT SOME KIND OF PROVISION WHERE IT HAS, IT HAS TO BE SUITABLE TO NOT PROVIDE OR TO NOT CAUSE AN ISSUE WITH THE COMMUNITY? IF I MAY JUST JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN WITH THAT TYPE OF RESPONSIBILITY ON THE MOBILE FOOD VENDOR AND PART OF IT IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENTS.
YOU KNOW, A GOOD BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT MAY HAVE A LINE GOING OUT THE DOOR TWO BLOCKS DOWN, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO FIND PARKING IF THEY WANT TO GO EAT THERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT BE RESPONSIBLE IF SOMEBODY HAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT THEY COULDN'T FIND A PARKING SPOT THAT THEY HAVE TO MOVE OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I UNDERSTAND BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES IN MANY RESPECTS.
BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOBILE FOOD VENDORS.
I THINK AT A CERTAIN POINT, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT FOLKS, IF THEY WANT TO ENJOY HAVING A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO FIND PARKING, LEGAL PARKING. AND IF THEY HAVE TO WALK A BLOCK OR TWO BLOCKS TO EAT AT THIS ESTABLISHMENT, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF PLACING THAT TYPE OF RESPONSIBILITY ON A MOBILE FOOD VENDOR IS MOST APPROPRIATE. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE BLOCKS IF THEY WANT TO EAT SOMEPLACE. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT IS INVOLVED FOR SOMEBODY TO CALL IN AND SAY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SO-AND-SO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEIR PARKING IS CAUSING A NUISANCE.
IF IT'S A LEGAL NUISANCE, CONTACT YOU KNOW, THE GPD AND SAY THIS PERSON IS DOUBLE PARKED
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OR WHATEVER AND LET THE REGULAR TRAFFIC REGULATIONS DEAL WITH IT THAT WAY.THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, AND I KIND OF DOVETAIL ON AND GO WITH THAT.
I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THAT KIND OF ASPECT BECAUSE IF WE START LOOKING AT PARKING ISSUES, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ADA TO DEAL WITH THE DO YOU NOT.
DISABILITIES, HANDICAP PARKING, REQUIREMENTS.
USUALLY THOSE ARE FOR NEW BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW THE NEW ADA REGULATION [INAUDIBLE] I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THEY WOULD APPLY TO MOBILE VENDOR OF THIS TYPE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO ANYBODY ELSE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE WISDOM ON THAT AT THE MOMENT. NOW, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD ONLY BE A PROBLEM WHEN, OR MAINLY BE A PROBLEM, WHEN YOU HAVE MAYBE THREE OR FOUR OR MORE FOOD TRUCKS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE PROBLEM WITH THE DENSITY.
AND AGAIN, THE DENSITY IS GOING TO GROW AND SHRINK AND IT'S GOING TO BE UNPREDICTABLE.
I JUST DON'T SEE HOW YOU WOULD [INAUDIBLE] PROVIDED PARKING FOR THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] PLAN FOR UNLESS YOU JUST HAD ENOUGH REAL ESTATE TO DO IT.
BUT, DANIEL, CAN WE KIND OF TABLE THIS ONE FOR NOW UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH DATA ON IT AND MAYBE GO BACK TO YOUR [INAUDIBLE] SLIDE AND SEE WHAT THE OTHER BULLETS WERE AND WORK THROUGH THOSE? CERTAINLY. I DID NOTICE THAT THE COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI HAD HIS HAND RAISED FOR A MOMENT.
WHO DID? COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI.
OH, OK, I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY.
I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO TIE THE PARKING IN WITH THE ZONING CATEGORY THAT THEY'RE IN. AND YOU KNOW, I KIND OF SEE RUSTY'S POINT ON THE WEST END.
IF YOU HAVE MORE REAL ESTATE, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND PARKING IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE ON 3005 AND THE ONLY PLACE TO PARK IS ON 3005.
THAT COULD GET A LITTLE DANGEROUS. SO, YOU KNOW, EITHER TIE IT INTO THE ZONING OR TIE IT INTO, YOU KNOW, 130 STREET WEST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IN TOWN, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE PARKING THAT WE MIGHT REQUIRE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO JUST DETER PEOPLE FROM HAVING A FOOD COURT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO PROMOTE THESE AND NOT, YOU KNOW, DETER FROM THEM SO WE CAN GET THESE FOOD TRUCKS OUT OF THE PARKING LOT OF GAS STATIONS.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP THAT GOING WOULD BE GREAT.
OK, IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT ONE ON THE LIST WAS FINALIZE RECOMMENDATIONS ON CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. DANIEL, YOU HAD IN YOUR HANDOUT [INAUDIBLE] SAN ANTONIO ORDINANCE HIGHLIGHTED WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS.
IT WAS NUMBER 13 ON THE SECOND PAGE.
THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
I THINK THAT WAS FROM THE DECEMBER WORKSHOP, IF I REMEMBER, RIGHT? BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, COMES DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT AS A REQUIREMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, CONCESSIONS AND KEEP IN MIND, THERE IS A DISTINCTION HERE BETWEEN A FOOD TRUCK AND AN ICE CREAM TRUCK, BASICALLY.
AND THE SAN ANTONIO REGULATIONS SEEM TO SINGLE OUT THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS ON THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK. AND, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY DONNA HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT THAT IF WE REQUIRE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK FOR A REGULAR FOOD TRUCK LIKE WE DO NOW, IT SHOULD BE ACTIONABLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE TO, I GUESS, TACKLE ON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YES OR NO TO THE BACKGROUND CHECK.
IF YES, WHAT'S THE TRIGGERING FACTOR THAT WOULD ALLOW STAFF OR DIRECT STAFF TO DENY A PERMIT? HMM.
SO YOU MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE BACKGROUND CHECK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONSEQUENCE OF A BACKGROUND CHECK COMING BACK POSITIVE, THAT IS WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS THROWN IN JAIL FOR SOMETHING BAD. THAT'S CORRECT.
WE REQUIRE IT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WHAT TO DO WITH THAT INFORMATION.
WE HAVE IT ON FILE, AND YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT?
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I BELIEVE DONNA HAD ALSO MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT PUTS US IN A POSITION OF BEING AWARE THAT SOMEONE HAD A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING BAD, BUT IF THAT WOULD HAPPEN, THEN YOU KNOW THAT PUTS THE CITY IN AN AWKWARD POSITION.HMM. HOW DO YOU USE THESE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES? I COULD NOT SPEAK TO ANYTHING BUT CONCESSIONS.
CRIMINAL BACKGROUND STUFF IS TYPICALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT PLANNING HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH. IT NEVER COMES UP IN OUR WORLD, OTHERWISE.
MOST OF THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE USUALLY DONE WITH TAXIS.
THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE LITERALLY TRANSPORTING PEOPLE, WE USED TO HAVE IT WITH RECORD DRIVERS AS WELL.
WE'VE RECENTLY CHANGED THOSE REGULATIONS.
I BELIEVE THE STATE REQUIRES SOME PROFESSIONS TO HAVE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS AS WELL.
SO IT WOULD BE A STATE REQUIREMENT.
BUT FROM WHAT I KNOW, IT'S USUALLY WITH OUR TAXI DRIVERS AND WE USED TO HAVE IT WITH OUR [INAUDIBLE]. SO, IF A TAXI DRIVER COMES BACK AND HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME, WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS PERMIT APPLICATION? WELL, I DON'T THINK THEY'D BE GRANTED A PERMIT, BUT I MAY BE SPEAKING OVERLY BROAD.
I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF IT IS A TYPE OF VIOLATION OR FELONY OR IS IT A CLASS A, B OR C TYPE OF DISTINCTION? I CAN PROBABLY LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT THOSE TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS WOULD AFFECT EITHER THEIR ABILITY TO GET A PERMIT AND OR THEIR ABILITY TO BE INVOLVED WITH OUTSIDE PEOPLE. MAYBE IF IT'S A [INAUDIBLE], THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY FOLKS IN THEIR [INAUDIBLE] VEHICLES.
I THINK THAT WAS A CHANGE ANYWAY THAT WE DID.
SO. BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABILITY TO, AS DANIEL HAD MENTIONED, ENFORCE THOSE TYPES OF CIRCUMSTANCES, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE IT FOR SOMEBODY SELLING FOOD. YEAH.
WELL, YOU KNOW THIS ONE IN SAN ANTONIO, THIS MODEL AUDIENCE IN SAN ANTONIO WAS CLEARLY DIRECTED AT THE SNOW CONE MAN BECAUSE HE SERVES THE LITTLE KIDS.
I CAN SEE THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE HOW IT APPLIES TO THE REGULAR FOOD [INAUDIBLE].
THEY'RE NOT ANY DIFFERENT, REALLY, THAN PEOPLE SELLING FOOD OUT BRICK AND MORTAR PLACES.
EXCEPT THEY'RE MOBILE AND IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO KIDS.
AND, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO ANSWER THAT ONE ABOUT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE MOBILE FOOD VENDORS.
LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS-- I KIND OF SEE WHERE THE CITY'S POSITION WOULD BE IS IF WE HAD SOMEBODY WITH THE BACKGROUND CHECK AND IT COMES BACK WITH WHATEVER THEN WE KNOW.
RECOMMEND AT A MINIMUM THAT IF WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS A KNOWN SEX OFFENDER AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET INTO KNOWN FELONS, IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKIER.
BUT WE DON'T WANT THOSE FOLKS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THE SCHOOL, THAT'S THEIR CONCERN.
WHEN YOU TALK TO GISD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT KNOWN SEX OFFENDERS AND KNOWN FELONS WITHIN FIVE HUNDRED FEET OF THEIR SCHOOLS.
AND I DON'T WANT THEM THERE EITHER.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT, DONNA.
I KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF THIN ICE THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S THE KNOWN FELON THING.
BUT-- I THINK PART OF IT IS THERE ARE ALREADY RULES AND LAWS AND REGULATIONS REGARDING SEX OFFENDERS. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S ALREADY PROVISIONS OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THESE THINGS IN THE PAST AND THEIR ABILITY TO BE AROUND CHILDREN.
ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BREACH THAT? CLEARLY.
IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE YOU WANT THE CITY TO NOW STEP IN AND SAY, IF SOMEBODY HAS INFORMED US THROUGH A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK THAT THEY HAVE BEEN A SEX OFFENDER, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A PERMIT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ON THAT.
IS IT JUST A SEX OFFENDER THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE A PERMIT TO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SELLING, YOU KNOW, NOT CLOSE TO A SCHOOL AND THEY'RE SELLING? NON ICE CREAM RELATED ITEMS. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH THAT.
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AND IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT, AT LEAST INITIALLY, WE WANT TO TACKLE.WE MAY WANT TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S DEAL WITH KEEPING IT SIMPLE.
EXCUSE MY FRENCH. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEN SEE HOW WE NEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR OR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE JUST WANT TO SEE HOW THINGS.
WITH EVERYTHING COMING OUT AND US TRYING TO DO THIS, SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND THEN IF WE REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS SOMETHING FURTHER, THEN WE CAN ADDRESS SOMETHING FURTHER, INCLUDING THE SPACING AND THE PARKING AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE FIND BECOMES AN ISSUE.
IF WE DO BACKGROUND CHECKS AND WE PUT A DEAL WE'D SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A PERMIT IF YOU'RE A KNOWN FELON AND YOU'RE A KNOWN SEX OFFENDER.
CAN THE CITY DO THAT? I WOULD SAY NO [INAUDIBLE] THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING SUED.
IF YOU'RE A NON SEX OFFENDER, BUT YOU'VE HAD A FELONY.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE A CLASS A, CLASS B.
I MEAN, THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF-- THAT'S TRUE LET'S JUST SAY WE TAKE THE WORST ONES.
WHAT ARE THOSE A'S B'S? I DON'T KNOW THAT [INAUDIBLE]. I THINK YOU KIND OF CLASSIFY THEM AS, OH MY GOSH, IT'S AN OLD ENGLISH TERM OF THESE TYPES OF [INAUDIBLE] MORAL TURPITUDE.
I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR MORAL TURPITUDE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, THERE'S TOO MANY TO EVEN TRY AND LIST, HONESTLY.
AND WITH THE LAWS CHANGING, I WOULD BE SPEECHLESS TO EVEN TRY AND SAY THIS TYPE OF FELONY GOES INTO THIS BUCKET AND THAT FELONY GOES INTO THAT BUCKET.
IT IS EASIER AND SIMPLER TO SAY IF IT'S A SEX OFFENDER, TYPE, FELONY OR ISSUE.
AND AGAIN, THERE ARE REGULATIONS ON THAT, STATE REGULATIONS ON THAT, THAT WOULD APPLY, TO TRY AND DELVE INTO THE WORLD OF MISCELLANEOUS FELONIES.
YOU'RE GOING BY YOURSELF ON THAT ONE.
COMMISSIONER WALLA [LAUGHTER].
I KNOW THAT IT'S KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, BUT YOU KNOW, I DO THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE PROACTIVE.
OUR PD AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS, THEY GOT ALL THEY CAN SAY, [INAUDIBLE] AND ANY CHANCE WE GET TO HELP THEM.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT.
THANKS. I HEAR YOU [INAUDIBLE] JUST, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE WANT TO TRY AND LIMIT THESE PERMITS TO CERTAIN TYPES OF OFFENSES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN SOMEBODY'S PAST.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY AND DELVE INTO IT, BUT I THINK IT WILL GET VERY STICKY.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THIS [INAUDIBLE] FOR SEX OFFENDERS, FOR THE ICE CREAM MAN AT LEAST AND STAYING WITH WHAT DONNA SAYS ABOUT, LET'S JUST SEE HOW THIS WORKS [INAUDIBLE] FOOD VENDORS ONLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THE ICE CREAM MAN IS GOING-- HIS CLIENTS ARE LITTLE KIDS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
YOU KNOW, HE TRAVELS ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE STILL HAVE A FIVE FOOT BUFFER FROM THE SCHOOLS, SO THE FOOD VENDORS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANY CLOSER TO 500 FEET FROM SCHOOLS ANYWAY.
AND IF WE KEEP IT SIMPLE RIGHT NOW, FOR THEM, THAT MAY BE THE WAY TO GO.
I DON'T KNOW. [INAUDIBLE] HAVE MICHELE HAY IS HERE, ISN'T SHE, DANIEL? I SEE HER UP THERE.
HELLO, HOW ARE YOU? HEY, GOOD, MICHELE, HOW ARE YOU? I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD.
SO DANIEL, I THINK HE SAID MICHELE WAS GOING TO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT INCENTIVES FOR LOCAL FOOD TRUCK PARKS.
THAT RIGHT? SORRY, YES, [INAUDIBLE].
I'M CUTTING IN AND OUT HERE, MY CONNECTION IS NOT AS GREAT AS IT COULD BE [INAUDIBLE].
WELL, IF I MAY MAKE A SUGGESTION.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FINKLEA HAS HAND UP ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM, AND WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO TRY TO GET A CONSENSUS VOTE ON A COUPLE OF THESE ISSUES BEFORE WE GO TO MICHELE? BECAUSE I THINK THAT HER PRESENTATION FROM WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, STUFF TO THINK ABOUT THEN RECOMMENDATIONS, I BELIEVE.
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SO, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE MAYBE TO GET SOME CONSENSUS ON MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF THESE ITEMS OR HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? OK, SURE. MICHELE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.NO, THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU.
[INAUDIBLE]. WOULD WE BE SO BOLD AS TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER A CONSENSUS ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR TRUCKS? IS THAT SOMETHING MAYBE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO TACKLE REAL FAST? IF WE SAID, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT STILL, OK? STEVEN, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH. ON THAT ITEM, I BELIEVE THAT A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS STILL OK.
I'LL GO WITH THAT. ALRIGHT, SO WE'VE HAD, I THINK, WHAT THREE THAT SAID THEY ARE OK WITH THAT. COMMISSIONER WALLA, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SORRY, [INAUDIBLE] MUTES NOT WORKING LIKE IT USED TO.
I MEAN, I'M OK WITH THE THOUSAND FEET.
I DO THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE PARKING, BUT YOU KNOW, THE THOUSAND FOOT, IT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW. IT'S [INAUDIBLE].
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. [INAUDIBLE] I THINK I SEE COMMISSIONER HUMPHREY NODDING A LITTLE BIT THERE. OK.
THOUSAND FOOT WORKS FOR ME, THOUSANDS FOOT WORKS FOR ME.
OK, SO WE'RE GOING TO SAY THE CONSENSUS WAS REACHED, IT APPEARS TO BE UNANIMOUS AND WE WILL REVISIT THE PARKING ISSUE AS A SEPARATE ITEM, BASICALLY.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN HAMMER OUT REAL FAST THAT YOU SEE COMMISSIONER BROWN? WELL, WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED IN DETAIL YET, THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION APPLICATION, I THINK WAS ON YOUR LIST.
RIGHT, RIGHT. SO PER THE POWERPOINT YOU SAW EARLIER, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS SOME VERY BASIC RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT REALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONS COURT NOW TO SEE IF THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GO WITH THAT AS A STARTING POINT OR TWEAK IT, DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE. I THINK IT'S UP TO Y'ALL AT THIS POINT.
WELL, I HAD A QUESTION ON IT, DANIEL.
IS THIS FOR FOOD CONCESSION ONLY? I MEAN, THIS WOULD TECHNICALLY BE FOR FOOD OR NON-FOOD IN REFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS CONSENSUS THAT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION HAD REACHED THAT IT WOULD BE OK TO ALLOW NON-FOOD CONCESSIONS AS WELL.
SO IT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH, I WOULD SAY.
WELL, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF MY THINKING ON THIS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE IN THIS APPLICATION IS THAT THE APPLICANT MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH CITY OF GALVESTON ORDINANCE NUMBER, WHATEVER IT IS, I GUESS THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD COVER FOOD TRUCKS.
AND SO SOME OF MY COMMENTS MAY BE CONTAINED IN THAT ORDINANCE, BUT I WAS THINKING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT IN THIS APPLICATION THE VEHICLE TYPE OR ITS LICENSE AND REGISTRATION. SO, YOU COULD YOU COULD RUN DOWN THIS VEHICLE OR YOU COULD RELATE THE VEHICLE IN THE FIELD TO THE PERMIT, MAYBE THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE OPERATION NAME LIKE SAM'S BURGERS OR WHATEVER HE'S DOING BUSINESS AS.
[INAUDIBLE], AGAIN, TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE PERMIT WITH WHOEVER [INAUDIBLE] FIELD.
A DESCRIPTION OF THE TYPE OF FOOD THAT HE'S VENDING, BUT IF IT'S FOOD AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL ON THE PERMIT OF WHAT IT IS THAT HE'S VENDING.
AND, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATION, THAT MAY BE CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCE [INAUDIBLE]. AND WHETHER OR NOT HE'S GOT TABLES AND CHAIRS, IS THAT PART OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE ALLOWED TEMPORARILY OR NOT? I THINK WE SAID TABLES AND CHAIRS ARE GOING TO BE OK ON AN ANNUAL PERMIT APPLICATION, BUT DO WE WANT TABLES AND CHAIRS ON A TEMPORARY ONE, WHICH IS LIKE 14 DAYS, I THINK MAXIMUM? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. AND WE MIGHT, IF IT'S FOOD, WE MAY WANT TO HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION OF THE ASSOCIATED CENTRAL PREP FACILITY BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE THEM.
IF YOU CAN'T GET A HOLD OF THE FOOD TRUCK GUY, YOU CERTAINLY CAN GET A HOLD OF-- MAYBE GET A HOLD OF THE ASSOCIATED CENTRAL PREP FACILITY.
THOSE ARE JUST A FEW COMMENTS I HAD ABOUT THE APPLICATION, DANIEL, [INAUDIBLE] TO CONSIDER. ALRIGHT.
NO, [INAUDIBLE] THOSE ARE SOME GOOD IDEAS AND SOME THINGS THAT I MEAN WE REQUIRE THE MAKE MODEL AND LICENSE PLATE NUMBERS OF THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS AND MOBILE CONCESSIONS AS IT IS.
AND TYPICALLY EVEN A TRAILER WILL HAVE A LICENSE PLATE PER, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE STATE
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LAWS ON THAT. SO THAT'D BE VERY EASY TO ADD IN, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.THANK YOU FOR THAT. AS FAR AS THE TABLES AND CHAIRS GO.
FOR A TEMPORARY I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF EVENT-- WHAT MIGHT A TEMPORARY FOOD TRUCK BE THERE FOR? THAT MIGHT HELP YOU KIND OF FRAME THE DISCUSSION IF YOU THINK ABOUT, OK, WHAT'S A TEMPORARY CONCESSION GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE ASSOCIATED WITH MAYBE A SCHOOL EVENT OR A FUNDRAISER, MAYBE A CHURCH SOCIAL OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TRUNK OR TREAT TYPE EVENT.
AND WOULD THEY REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW, SEATING OR NOT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY REALLY WOULDN'T, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, SAFELY PROHIBIT THEM FROM HAVING IT FOR A TEMPORARY BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS.
ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S ABOUT 2:56, AND I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS JOINED US.
[INAUDIBLE] KNOW THAT IS PROBABLY GOING [INAUDIBLE] THIS TEMPORARY, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME KIND OF FESTIVAL OR EVENT, LIKE HE SAID.
PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MOSTLY JUST WALKING AROUND.
I DON'T KNOW. I'LL OPEN THAT UP TO DISCUSSION IF ANYBODY HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DETERMINED THAT AND IT'S LIKE, OK, CAN I GO GET A 14 DAY TEMPORARY PERMIT TO GO PARK MY FOOD TRUCK ON THE SEAWALL.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT.
MAYBE WE'VE DISCUSSED IT, [INAUDIBLE] THAT WAS LAST YEAR.
[LAUGHTER] LET'S SAY I SEE THAT COMMISSIONER FINKLEA AND COMMISSIONER HUMPHREY BOTH HAVE THEIR HANDS UP.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, I'LL GIVE IT TO STAN FIRST, HE HAD HIS HAND UP FIRST.
WELL, JUST CIRCLING BACK TO THE TABLE REQUIREMENT, NOT REQUIREMENT.
I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A BURDEN ON THE CONCESSIONAIRE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TABLE AND CHAIR REQUIREMENT IF YOU HAVE A TEMPORARY PERMIT, THAT'S ALL.
AGREED. THAT WAS MY COMMENT AS WELL, STAN.
THANK YOU. I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AROUND TO WAS WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS.
OH. BECAUSE THE SAN ANTONIO MODEL DOESN'T EVEN ALLOW TABLE AND CHAIRS UNLESS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, IN A [INAUDIBLE].
SO FOR A TEMPORARY PERMIT IN SAN ANTONIO, THEY DO NOT ALLOW TABLE AND CHAIRS? AS FAR AS I COULD READ IN THE PERMIT, THEY DON'T ALLOW TABLES AND CHAIRS UNLESS YOU'RE IN-- IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE UNLESS YOU'RE IN A MOBILE FOOD COURT.
MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO GET TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL RIGHT NOW.
WOULD IT BE OK TO SAY ALLOWED, BUT NOT REQUIRED? YEAH, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT.
DANIEL, COULD THAT BE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY LTU? I MEAN, IF IT WERE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, I SUPPOSE SO.
WE DO ALLOW TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR BRICK AND MORTARS UNDER OUR ADMINISTRATIVE LTU, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CITY CODE ALREADY.
SO I MEAN, I WOULD GUESS IT COULD BE IF IT WERE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALSO KIND OF WANT TO, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY, KEEP THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS AS OPEN AS POSSIBLE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME FAIRLY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR [INAUDIBLE] USE OF TABLES AND CHAIRS. SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE IT EITHER WAY.
MAYBE A SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF THE VENDOR WANTS TO PROVIDE TABLE AND CHAIRS, THEN IT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL FEE, SO TO SPEAK, AND OR AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT.
SO PUT IT ON THE VENDOR TO SAY WE WANT TO PROVIDE TABLE AND CHAIRS.
AND IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEY EITHER NEED TO GET, IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT WAY, A TEMPORARY LTU, OR PAY MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, A PLACE FOR SOMEBODY TO SIT AND EAT.
I MEAN, JUST PUT ON THE VENDOR AND LET THEM SAY [INAUDIBLE] NEED.
OK, SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS EVEN MORE COMPLEX.
BUT, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ADVISABLE FOR, YEAH, NOT JUST THE TEMPORARIES, BUT YOU KNOW, ALL THE CONCESSIONS BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN THE QUESTION THAT'S COME UP A FEW TIMES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF A FOOD TRUCK HAS TABLES AND CHAIRS OUTSIDE, DOES THAT
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ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, HANG AROUND? THEY MAY WANT TO, BUT, AND THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE FRESH AIR OR WHATEVER. OR IF, SAY, IT'S SOMEWHERE ON BROADWAY, THEY'VE GOT A GOOD VIEW OF THE BEACH OR WHATEVER. BUT DOES THAT THEN, YOU KNOW, FEED INTO THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, OF SOMEONE GRABBING AND GOING AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, HANGING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.SO PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER FOR ANY CONCESSION. [LAUGHTER] YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TABLE AND CHAIRS, BUT THERE MAY BE AN ADDITIONAL FEE INVOLVED FOR THAT.
SO, SOMETHING LIKE A PREMIUM SERVICE FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM.
AND I WOULD SAY IF THAT'S SOMETHING A VENDOR WISHES, THEN THEY CAN MAKE THEIR REQUEST.
I THINK JUST TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AT THIS POINT, MOST PEOPLE ARE USED TO JUST GOING, GRABBING THEIR STUFF AND LEAVING, TAKING IT TO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO TAKE IT.
AND I WOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE AS THAT.
BUT IF THERE IS A VENDOR OUT THERE THAT SAYS, 'HEY, WE WANT TO PROVIDE THIS ADDITIONAL EXPERIENCE,' THEN I THINK THE VENDOR CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST.
[INAUDIBLE], WE SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT'S CAPTURED IN YOUR NOTES HERE, NUMBER FIVE, THAT WE AGREED THE SEATING WOULD BE ALLOWED IN PARKS OR INDIVIDUAL SITES.
MAYBE WE JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] THE TEMPORARY GUY WANTS TO PUT UP A TABLE AND CHAIR [INAUDIBLE] PUT IT UP.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, I GUESS, THE SIMPLE WAY TO HANDLE IT, AND YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE WAS A CONSENSUS PREVIOUSLY REACHED ON THAT AND STAFF, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH A MORE FINE TUNED TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT.
AT SOME POINT, WE WILL WRITE UP A DRAFT ORDINANCE OR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, YOU KNOW, ENTRY FOR YOUR REVIEW AS WELL BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR DECISION.
SO YEAH, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT THIS INTO SOME, YOU KNOW, DRAFT MATERIAL TO LOOK AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP. AND SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT EVERYTHING LOOKS ALL AT ONCE.
SO, DANIEL, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED FROM US.
[INAUDIBLE] NEXT ROUND? WELL, LET'S TAKE A QUICK LOOK HERE, LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE LEFT.
ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION NOW THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS IS PRESENT IS STAFF DID FINALLY GET HOLD OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON.
IT WAS LIKE PULLING TEETH, BUT WE DID.
AND IN REGARDS TO THE GENERATOR ISSUE AND THE NOISE, AND THEY INDICATED THAT THEY TREAT THAT AS A, BASICALLY LIKE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANY OTHER NOISE GENERATOR, NO PUN INTENDED.
SO IF THESE GENERATORS WERE TOO NOISY, WOULD BASICALLY BECOME A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THEY REALLY HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.
THEY DIDN'T APPEAR TO HAVE A LOT OF INPUTS TO OFFER.
OK. I JUST WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD-- THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT IF SOMEBODY HAD A FOOD TRUCK PARK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO POWER THAT PARK IF THEY DIDN'T RUN ELECTRICITY TO EACH ONE OF THE UNITS AND THAT FEASIBLY THEY COULD HAVE ONE OF THESE BIG POWER GENERATORS, LIKE I'VE SEEN IN HOUSTON FOR THE FOOD TRUCK PARKS THAT ARE JUST GINORMOUS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH NOISE THEY MAKE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED.
SURE. AND I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, DECIBEL LEVEL IS OR HOW THAT READS WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON. I DIDN'T LOOK THAT UP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF GALVESTON, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOISE ORDINANCES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF TIMES IT CAPS IT LIKE 75 DECIBELS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MORE OF THE CITY MARSHAL, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY TREAT IT THAT WAY AND JUST SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT IF SUCH A THING WERE TO HAPPEN AND IT WERE TO BE KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, VIOLATION OF, YOU KNOW, OUR NOISE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS ALREADY, THEN IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, HANDLED ACCORDINGLY BY CODE COMPLIANCE.
SO, COULD WE MAKE THAT LIKE ZONING, SO IF IT WAS IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE, IS THERE-- OK, MAYBE I SHOULD BACK UP THE QUESTION.
SO IN COMMERCIAL ZONE IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE FOR BUSINESSES THE SAME AS IT IS FOR RESIDENTS? [INAUDIBLE] WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO CITY CODE AND FIND THAT.
I MEAN, DONNA MAY BE MORE FAMILIAR, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK THERE'S ONLY A TIME FRAME DISTANCE AND A TIME FRAME DIFFERENCE.
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AND I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE ONE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, WHICH IS DOWNTOWN.SO THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY AS YOU LOOK AT COMMERCIAL ZONES, THAT TYPE OF DIFFERENT NOISE REGULATION. I THINK IT'S REALLY ONLY IN THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST GOING OFF OF MEMORY.
SO, I PULLED UP OUR CITY CODE AND I'M LOOKING AT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SECTION 24 MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES DEALS WITH THIS.
24.2 TALKS ABOUT MAXIMUM PERMISSIBLE SOUND LEVELS, WHICH IS 75 DBA DURING THE DAY IN 70 DBA DECIBELS BASICALLY AT NIGHT, WHICH IS 10 P.M.
TO SEVEN A.M. AND THEN THERE SEVEN A.M.
TO 10 P.M. THEN IS DAYTIME HOURS AND THEN 24.3 SAYS NOISE GENERALLY SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON TO MAKE, ASSIST IN MAKING [INAUDIBLE] CONTINUED, CAUSE TO BE MADE OR CONTINUED, OR [INAUDIBLE] THE CONTINUANCE OF ANY SOUND WHICH EXCEEDS THOSE PERMITTED SOUND LEVELS. AND THAT'S PROBABLY HOW THE CITY OF HOUSTON IS HANDLING IT TOO.
OK, WELL, JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IF WE DECIDE-- HOW WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD OR HOW WE DECIDE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL OR SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR MINDS AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IN THEIR MINDS AS WELL.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU START, IF OUR FOCUS IS AND I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE, WE REALLY PREFER FOOD TRUCK PARKS AS OPPOSED TO A LOT OF [INAUDIBLE] SINGLE FOOD TRUCKS ALL OVER THE ISLAND, THEN THAT DEFINITELY IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
DID YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] SAY SOMETHING? YES, BEFORE WE KIND OF [INAUDIBLE] GO ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MENTION AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS ON THE BOOKS FOR ANOTHER WORKSHOP SESSION, THAT WILL INVOLVE THE INPUT OF THE FOOD TRUCK VENDORS LIKE WE HAD WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS.
NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF GETTING TOWARDS THE END OF THIS PROCESS, OF PUTTING TEETH TOGETHER TO THIS DOCUMENT, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THEM TOGETHER WITH US TO GET THEIR INPUT AND JUST TO SEE WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS.
YEAH [INAUDIBLE] MAYBE GIVE DANIEL ONE MORE SHOT AT DRAFTING WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH HERE AND THEN RUN THAT BY THE ACTUAL VENDORS.
WHAT ABOUT THAT, DANIEL, CATHERINE, HOW'S THAT SOUND? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO DO.
I AM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI'S THOUGHTS ARE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, HOW QUICK A CITY COUNCIL MAY WANT TO SEE THIS, ND IF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED TO GET SOMETHING TO COUNCIL? CAN OK. IT'S A NO, I GUESS.
I MEAN, I WANT IT RIGHT, OF COURSE, AND IN THE MORE IMPORTANT, THE BETTER.
I MEAN, LET'S NOT HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE TOO MANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS ONCE WE GET IT IN PLACE. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE-- WE'VE TAKEN THIS MUCH TIME.
LET'S DO IT RIGHT, AND TAKE ANOTHER MONTH OR WHATEVER IT TAKES.
IF WE LOOK AT THIS THING THAT COMES BACK FROM DANIEL NEXT AND THEN HAVE A ONE MORE MEETING WITH VENDORS AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL, IS THAT SOUND RIGHT? OK. ALRIGHT.
DANIEL IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO COVER RIGHT NOW.
IS THIS A GOOD TIME TO HEAR FROM MICHELE HAY? I BELIEVE SO. I WAS HOPING YOU FOR AT LEAST 10 MINUTES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN GIVE HER MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHICH IS GREAT.
MICHELE, ARE YOU THERE? ARE YOU READY? I AM HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WELL, SO DANIEL ASKED ME TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT POTENTIAL INCENTIVES OR WHAT I REALLY WANT TO CONSIDER AS BENEFITS FOR FOLKS LOCATING IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK VERSUS JUST HAVING INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS ALL ABOUT TOWN.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT MY HOMEWORK WAS.
I STEER AWAY FROM ACTUAL, SAY INCENTIVE, JUST BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OF THAT, I THINK GIVING SOMEONE MONEY.
BUT I BELIEVE THE BENEFITS THAT I'VE SEEN AT THIS POINT BY FOLKS, OTHER FOOD TRUCKS
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LOCATING, AMONGST OTHER FOOD TRUCKS GIVES THEM AN ADVANTAGE OF JUST HAVING THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE PATRONS, OBVIOUSLY IN ONE LOCATION.BUT. FROM A MONETARY STANDPOINT, IF THE FOOD TRUCK PARKS ARE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING RESTROOMS OR THE SEATING TABLES AND SHADE STRUCTURES OR PARKING, IF THAT'S WHAT WE END UP DECIDING, THEN THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT ON AN INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCK OWNER.
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO FIND THOSE THINGS THEMSELVES FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS, SO I WOULD THINK THAT, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE BENEFIT IN ITSELF.
FROM A MONETARY STANDPOINT, DANIEL AND I TALKED ABOUT THE PERMIT FEES, WHEREAS WE REQUIRE, WHAT IS IT, DANIEL, RIGHT NOW FOR A FOOD TRUCK PERMIT? HE SAID THAT WAS FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SO FOR THE PERMIT FEE.
YOU COULD CHARGE THE INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCK LESS IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE LOCATED IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
KNOWING THAT AGAIN, ALL OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ARE TYPICALLY ASKING FOR ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE PARK OWNER, SO TO SPEAK.
SO I'VE LOOKED AT VARIOUS COMMUNITIES AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RUNS THE GAMUT, AS DANIEL MENTIONED ON WHAT CAN BE DONE, ROUND ROCK HAS SOME NICE BENEFITS AND REGULATIONS THAT I SHARED WITH DANIEL AND THEN THERE WERE A FEW OTHERS, BUT I SEE THAT THE PARK BENEFIT AROUND TOWN, GREAT FOR A TOWN LIKE GALVESTON, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY POPULAR IN PLACES, SIMILAR TRIALS LIKE MYRTLE BEACH AND ANYWHERE ELSE WITH ACTUAL COLLEGE CAMPUSES.
I THINK BRENHAM HAD SOME GOOD EXAMPLES IN COLLEGE STATION, OF COURSE.
SO, WE CAN PROVIDE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE VISUALS IN THE FUTURE ON PULLING THAT TOGETHER OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST WEEK.
BUT I RAN INTO SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT I HAD TO TEND TO AS WELL.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD TRUCK PARK IN ITSELF WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THE INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCK OWNER WITH ECONOMIES OF SCALE FOR SURE.
AND THEN HAVING ACCESS TO MORE PATRONS AND AN ATMOSPHERE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THAT WOULD ALLOW FOLKS TO COME AND HANG OUT, MAYBE TASTE TEST THE VARIOUS FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE THERE AND CREATE A SPACE WHERE YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN OTHER EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ON OCCASION OR, YOU KNOW, FOLKS BEING ABLE PLAY GAMES, HANG OUT SORT OF SPACE, ESPECIALLY BEING A COLLEGE TOWN.
THAT CAN BE HELPFUL FOR OUR COLLEGE STUDENTS TO HAVE A PLACE TO HANG OUT WITHOUT IT BEING THE BARS OR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO.
[INAUDIBLE]. IS THAT HELPFUL AT ALL? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ANY QUESTIONS? IF I MAY, KIND OF BE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT MICHELE AND I HAD DISCUSSED AND THIS IS JUST AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE OFFICE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS IT MAY POSSIBLY BE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE MARKET DRIVEN MORE THAN ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, THE OBSERVATION WAS MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, GALVESTON, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE AND YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE LESS OPPORTUNITIES TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A CONCESSION PARK, ESPECIALLY OF A VERY HIGH CALIBER LIKE [INAUDIBLE] MENTIONED IN OTHER PLACES, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT LAND MAY EVENTUALLY GO TO, YOU KNOW, CONDOS OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY BE A HIGHER USE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR GALVESTON'S DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL, BUT NOT SO GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PROSPECT OF A CONCESSION PARK.
SO, YOU KNOW, JUST AN OBSERVATION IS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY ULTIMATELY BE NOT A WHOLE LOT WE CAN DO FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT TO, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZE A CONCESSION PARK.
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AND, YOU KNOW, MICHELE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE CONSIDERS INCENTIVES TO BE FINANCIAL, BUT REALLY, INCENTIVES CAN BE A NUMBER OF THINGS.THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A MONETARY ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT-- WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT THOUSAND FOOT PER TRUCK RULE. I WONDER IF WE COULD SAY MAYBE [INAUDIBLE] IN FOOD TRUCK PARK BECAUSE THEY MAY BE SHARING SPACE AND YOU MAY NOT REALLY NEED A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT TRUCK IN A PARK BECAUSE THEY SHARE SPACE AS AN INCENTIVE.
I MEAN, OR JUST RECOGNIZING THAT THEY MAY ORGANIZE SPACE DIFFERENTLY IN A PARK THAN YOU DO INDIVIDUALLY. YES, JOHN.
I THINK DANIEL MAKES A GREAT POINT THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING WHILE WE OPEN THIS BACK UP WAS TO TRY TO GET THESE FOOD TRUCKS OUT OF GAS STATION PARKING LOTS.
THERE BASICALLY NO REGULATIONS WHEN A FOOD TRUCK GOES INTO A GAS STATION PARKING LOT, THEY BASICALLY GO IN THERE, THEY AT LEASE SPACE FROM THE OWNER AND THEY SET UP SHOP.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO OVERREGULATE THE FOOD TRUCK PARK.
YOU KNOW, DANIEL MAKES A GOOD POINT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING UP.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE A LONG TERM USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
MAYBE SOME KIND [INAUDIBLE] HAS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY CAN TEMPORARILY, COME IN THERE, PUT SOME FOOD TRUCKS ON IT, GENERATE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, BUILD THEIR CONDO PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T CREATE PROBLEMS, I WOULD WANT TO KEEP THESE REGULATIONS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
WHEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF REPORTS THAT I'VE FOUND THAT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU ALL, HAVE STAFF SEND OUT STILL DIVING THROUGH.
I'VE FOUND ONE WHOLE REPORT ON FOOD TRUCKS FROM THE US CHAMBER.
THEY PUT IT TOGETHER A FEW YEARS AGO, SO I'M TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE UPDATED. BUT I TALKED ABOUT THE BIGGEST HINDRANCE FOR A LOT OF THE FOOD TRUCKS IS JUST THE AMOUNT OF REGULATION THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO GET STARTED AND BE SUCCESSFUL. AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT ARE, I THINK, FOOD TRUCKS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIRTY TWO DIFFERENT STEPS OR PROCEDURES OR CHECKLISTS JUST TO FINALIZE THEIR PERMIT, WHETHER THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] HEALTH DISTRICT OR THE CITY REGULATIONS.
SON I KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH BURDEN ON THEM, BUT DEFINITELY MAKE IT ENOUGH WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
YEAH, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THIS, BUT I WOULD RATHER PUT MORE REGULATIONS ON THESE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE IN A GAS STATION PARKING LOT AND TRY TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO GO TO A FOOD TRUCK PARK AND GET WITH OTHER TRUCK OWNERS, AND MAYBE IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO GO FIND A PIECE OF PROPERTY, LEASE IT, CREATE A PARK, THEN THE REGULATION THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO SET UP IN A GAS STATION PARKING LOT.
RIGHT, THAT MAKES SENSE. RUSTY.
YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, JOHN, TO THAT POINT, AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU KNOW, I THINK GETTING ALL THE TRUCKS OUT OF ALL THE GAS STATION PARKING LOTS JUST TO USE YOUR TERMINOLOGY IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE [INAUDIBLE] EVERY ONE, MAYBE WE CAN REGULATE THINGS TO WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S THREE IN THE GAS STATION PARKING LOT INSTEAD OF ONE.
SO I THINK WE CAN DO THAT WITH REGULATIONS, AND I LIKE THAT IDEA I'M A PROPONENT OF, WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE THE PARK IDEA AND THE PARKING STUFF AND [INAUDIBLE] WE ALSO GOT TO DO IT WITHOUT CREATING PROBLEMS, TOO.
BUT I DO LIKE YOUR THINKING THERE, JOHN.
WE NEED TO GET THE [INAUDIBLE], THE [INAUDIBLE].
STAN DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP OR SOMEBODY ELSE DID? WELL, MAYBE ONE THING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER IS LOOKING AT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE WHEN IT GETS READY AND THEN GOING THROUGH THAT ORDINANCE AND SEEING WHAT WE CAN TAKE OUT OF IT OR CREATE EXEMPTIONS FOR THE MOBILE FOOD TRUCK PARKS AND TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE
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EASIER. YOU KNOW, ONCE WE SEE THE ORDINANCE, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR FOOD TRUCK PARKS LIKE THE 1000 SQUARE FOOT PER FOOD TRUCK REQUIREMENT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CREATED AS AN EXCEPTION FOR A MOBILE TRUCK PARKS. BECAUSE THEY CAN SELF-REGULATE THE SPACING THAT THEY HAVE THERE BECAUSE OF SHARING SPACE. I DON'T KNOW.YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED A LOT ABOUT TOO, IS FEES.
YOU KNOW, WE POSSIBLY COULD INCENTIVIZE GETTING PEOPLE TO GET TOGETHER BY HAVING, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME SORT OF FEE STRUCTURE THAT MAKES IT TO WHERE IT WORKS.
WE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT HAVING THESE OPERATORS SAID, 'HEY, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FROM PARK TO PARK TO PARK.' AND YOU KNOW, JUST ONE THOUGHT I HAVE IS, IS THAT WE TAKE THESE, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] GUY HAS A FOOD TRUCK IN A GAS STATION PARKING LOT HE NEEDS TO LIVE UP TO, IT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, HE BASICALLY HAS A FOOD TRUCK PARK AND HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO PLAY BY THOSE RULES NOW.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE [INAUDIBLE] SOME SORT OF FEES, THE WAY THE FEE STRUCTURES ARE SET UP, THAT IT'S AN INCENTIVE FOR THAT OTHER FOOD TRUCKS TO COME STAY WITH HIM. AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS, TOO, BECAUSE THEY GOT THEIR HANDS FULL CHASING THESE GUYS ALL OVER TOWN.
SO, I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY KEEP THAT IN MIND.
BUT, HEY, IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
YES, DAVID. YES, I AM GOING TO JUST ECHO ON TO EVERYBODY ELSE AND SAY THAT WE REALLY NEED TO PUSH THE EMPHASIS ON THE FORMATION OF THE FOOD TRUCK PARK AND NOT AWAY FROM THE SINGLE GAS STATION LOT FOOD TRUCKS, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIG DRAW TO THE CITY, TO THE RESIDENTS, HELPFUL TO THE CITY MARSHALS AND SO ON, IF WE WERE TO HELP WORK TO INCENTIVIZE THE FORMATION OF THE FOOD PARK.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF PERMITS, YOU HAVE THE ANNUAL PERMIT, THE YEARLY PERMIT AND THE, WHAT IS IT, 14 DAY MAX PERMIT.
IS THAT CORRECT, DANIEL? YES. SO SOME SORT OF TEMPORARY PERMIT AS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT, AND I THINK THAT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A CONSENSUS THAT SOME SORT OF TEMPORARY PERMIT WAS ADVISABLE.
MY THOUGHTS ON THAT ARE IF YOU WANT TO DISINCENTIVIZE THESE INDIVIDUALS GOING INTO THE FUEL SERVICE STATIONS, ET CETERA, THEN YOU CUT THE LENGTH OF THEIR TEMPORARY PERMIT DOWN TO THE POINT THAT IT IS A DISINCENTIVE VICE GETTING A PERMIT TO GO INTO A FOOD TRUCK PARK. AND THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY TO MONETIZE THE FOOD TRUCK PARK IDEA.
YOU KNOW, STAN, THAT'S EXACTLY IT, I MEAN, I THINK YOU COULD HAVE IT SET UP.
SAY THE GUY HAS, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S RUSTY'S TACOS AT THE EXXON STATION.
WELL, I OWN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
I HAVE TO BE SET UP LIKE A FOOD TRUCK PARK, AND I CAN HAVE OTHER VENDORS COME STAY AT MY PARK. AND THE FEE WOULD BE THOSE, I THINK WE COULD SET IT UP TO WHERE THESE TRUCKS HAVE TO BE IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
THEY COULD COME BE IT RUSTY'S TACOS FOOD TRUCK PARK [INAUDIBLE] AT THE EXXON, OR THEY COULD BE AT BOB'S BURGERS, DOWN THE STREET, AT THE SHELL STATION.
BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE THEY GOT TO BE IN A SPOT THAT IS A DESIGNATED FOOD TRUCK PARK.
I MEAN, WE'RE KIND OF REALLY FAR INTO THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, SHIFTING, GETTING ON A DIFFERENT HORSE. BUT I AM A PROPONENT [INAUDIBLE] WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO GET THESE [INAUDIBLE] GUYS OUT OF THE PARKING LOT THAT'S HOOKED UP TO T-POLE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR THEM TO NOT DO IT AT THIS POINT.
AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THAT'S HOW THIS ALL REALLY STARTED IN THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING.
AND IT'S KIND OF EVOLVED INTO TEMPORARY PERMITS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS AND ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE AN
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EFFORT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET FOOD TRUCK PARKS.AND THAT MAY NOT BE PARK WITH, YOU KNOW, AN AMENITY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, BOB'S BURGERS AT THE SHELL STATION AND RUSTY'S TACOS AT THE EXXON CAN BE FOOD TRUCK PARKS.
SO I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
WELL, I GUESS FROM HERE, DANIEL, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION YOU HAVE IN AND DRAFT A MODEL ORDINANCE, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ENOUGH CONSENSUS AND INPUT ON ALL THE 11 ISSUES WE STARTED OUT WITH BACK, YOU KNOW, WHAT? SIX WORKSHOPS AGO THAT STAFF CAN TAKE A SHOT AT DRAFTING SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT HOLISTICALLY AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO FROM THERE AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOMETHING FOR, AS COMMISSIONER PEÑA HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE CONCESSION PARK OPERATORS THEMSELVES SOMETHING TO LOOK AT A FUTURE WORKSHOP OR SOME OTHER OUTREACH.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW, YOU KNOW, IN A TIMELY MANNER.
YOU'LL HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE AND ALSO A DRAFT APPLICATION, I GUESS, AFTER THOSE COMMENTS ALSO, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I CAN. I'LL HAVE THE DRAFT TEMPORARY APPLICATION AS WELL, AND WE'LL MAKE THOSE TWEAKS AS YOU ALL HAS SUGGESTED PREVIOUSLY.
OK, AND-- DANIEL, WOULD YOU ALSO MIND JUST WRAPPING UP [INAUDIBLE] A KIND OF A PROGRESS SUMMARY LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME? THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
OF WHAT WE'VE DONE AND WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO AND SEND THAT OUT TO US AS SOON AS YOU GET THAT DONE. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HELP YOU PROCEED THROUGH THIS AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T DROP ANYTHING.
YEAH, SURE I CAN. I'LL DO ANOTHER MEMO AFTER THE MEETING TODAY THAT WILL SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE TODAY AND GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER FEW THINGS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, OK.
AND I GUESS WE ALSO IN ORDER TO KEEP ON TRACK, WE NEED TO SCHEDULE THIS NEXT GET TOGETHER HERE, I GUESS, WHICH WOULD BE WITH SOME VENDORS.
AND THE PLANNING [INAUDIBLE] IN A WORKSHOP THAT WILL SUMMARIZE TO THEM WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING AND TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.
STAN? DANIEL, ARE WE TASKING YOU WITH? IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TASKING YOU TO GET SOME VENDORS TO COME IN? I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO TRY AND WORK IN AN ORDINANCE FIRST AND THEN HAVE SOME SORT OF QUALITY DOCUMENT TO PRESENT TO THE VENDORS AND PROCEED FROM THERE.
DID I NOT HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? YES. YEAH, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE VERY FIRST WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD AND THAT WAS BEFORE COMMISSIONER HUMPHREY WAS HERE WITH US.
WE HAD NO TROUBLE GETTING INPUT FROM THE CONCESSIONAIRES AND STAFF DOES HAVE A LIST OF CONTACTS FOR ALL OF THOSE, OF COURSE, AS THEY, YOU KNOW, PULL THEIR PERMITS SO WE CAN VERY EASILY REACH OUT TO THOSE FOLKS WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.
YEAH, AND [INAUDIBLE], BE SURE TO GET US THOSE DOCUMENTS WELL ENOUGH AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING BEFORE WE HAVE THAT WORKSHOP WITH THE VENDOR SO WE'RE INFORMED AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ANY EDITS IF [INAUDIBLE] NEED TO.
ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN HAVE SOME TYPE OF A PRESENTATION PREPARED FOR THE VENDORS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT WITH.
ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO COVER ON THIS WORKSHOP? GOOD, BECAUSE IT'S ONE [INAUDIBLE] UNTIL WE HAVE TO OPEN THE NEXT MEETING.
YOU GOT ONE MINUTE TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE START AGAIN.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.