ALL RIGHT, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. Call Meeting To Order]
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THE DECEMBER 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP AT 2:00 P.M.THIS IS A VIRTUAL MEETING, AND SO WE'LL TAKE ATTENDANCE.
[2. Attendance]
PLEASE, CATHERINE, WILL YOU BE DOING THAT? YEAH, I SURE WILL. VICE CHAIRPERSON BOB BROWN.I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HASN'T JOINED US.
I'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN SHE DOES.
UH, COMMISSIONER HUMPHREY IS NOT IN ATTENDANCE TODAY, CHAIRPERSON HILL HERE.
HERE, COMMISSIONER WALLA HERE, AND COUNCIL MEMBER JOHN PAUL LISTOWSKI IS ALSO NOT SIGNED IN, WE'LL ALSO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IF HE JOINS US.
DO WE HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON THE WORKSHOP? SEEING NONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ON THE MEETING, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE.
WHEN WE SAID THAT COMMISSIONER HUMPHREY WILL NOT BE HERE FOR EITHER PART OF OUR MEETING TODAY, HE HAD A FAMILY MATTER THAT CAME UP AND SO HE WON'T BE HERE.
WE DO EXPECT, HOPEFULLY COMMISSIONER EDWARDS TO JOIN US TODAY.
OUR ONE DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE HAVE IS WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR REVIEW OF THE CITY OF
[4. Discussion Items]
GALVESTON CONCESSION REGULATIONS AND WE HAVE OUR RESIDENT EXPERT FUN AND GAMES.DANIEL, YOU WANT TO LEAD US DOWN THE PATH? PLEASE, SIR. SURE.
SO JUST FIRST OF ALL, JUST AN OBSERVATION FROM A STAFF.
YOU ARE ALL MAKING EXCELLENT PROGRESS.
LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAMMERED OUT A GOOD NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WE JUST HAVE A FEW, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, THE MORE COMPLEX ONES LEFT TO DO.
SO MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT MAYBE IN A COUPLE ONE OR TWO MORE WORKSHOPS, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING READY TO, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY PRESENT TO COUNCIL.
MAYBE THEY WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR, OF COURSE, IT WILL GO INTO TWENTY TWENTY TWO.
BUT NO, I'M VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE PROGRESS YOU ALL HAVE MADE AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, HAMMERING AWAY AT IT.
THANK YOU, DANIEL, BACK AT YOU.
WE'RE GOING TOAS MANY AS YOU CAN STAND RUSTY, AS MANY ZEROS AS YOU CAN STAND.
YEAH, WE CAN PROBABLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
[LAUGHTER] DANIEL, YOU WANT TO-- AND SPEAKING OF THAT, RUSTY, DO WE WANT TO START WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER WALLA HAD AS KIND OF HIS LITTLE ASSIGNMENT.
DO WE WANT TO START WITH THAT, DANIEL? OR DO YOU WANT TO-- WHERE DO YOU WANT TO WANT US TO START DANIEL? YEAH, IF COMMISSIONER WALLA IS READY, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO HEAR THAT.
IT'S KIND OF A QUOTE UNQUOTE OLD BUSINESS IN A WAY.
YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT RUSTY.
NOW YOU GUYS ARE CALLING ME OLD, OK? YOU CAN JUST TOSS THAT RIGHT BACK IN MY DIRECTION.
NO PROBLEM. SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT SOME POWER REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS. AND IN MY EXPERIENCE, QUITE HONESTLY, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM OPERATE ON LIKE A 30 AMP SINGLE PHASE PLUG.
SO THAT'D BE LIKE A BIG RV, NOT-- A SMALL RV PLUG.
NOT LIKE IT WHEN YOU SEE IN YOUR HOUSE, BUT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A STEP UP FROM THAT.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME THAT HAVE 50 AMP REQUIREMENTS, BUT PROBABLY MORE SO ALONG THE 30 AMP.
I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAD TALKED ABOUT-- SHE HAD GONE SOMEWHERE AND HAD SEEN WHERE THESE CORDS WERE LAID DOWN ON THE GROUND.
AND I MEAN, I'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A TEMPORARY SETUP, LIKE YOU CAN SEE THAT AT MARDI GRAS, WHERE YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF VENDORS SET UP AND THEY'RE PROVIDING POWER FOR THEM. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANY [INAUDIBLE], YOU KNOW, VIOLATION BECAUSE WE SEE IT ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE WEATHERPROOF.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO MAKE THAT SOMETHING A PART OF A PERMANENT, YOU KNOW, PARK, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCK PARK SITUATION.
AND I'M ASSUMING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN REGARDS TO SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT.
OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED, AND I ONLY CAN I CAN JUST SPEAK FROM BECAUSE THOSE CONNECTIONS ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SEE IN AN RV PARK.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY THAT COMPLICATED TO DO.
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THERE IS AN EXPENSE INVOLVED IN IT.BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF WE DO FOOD TRUCK PARKS IN A PERMANENT SITUATION THAT YOU KNOW, WE PROVIDE PERMANENT POWER.
THAT'S THE BEST AND SAFEST WAY TO DO THAT.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT MORE YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING FOR.
YOU KNOW, FROM ME, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THESE FOOD TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM NEED POWER NOW, ODDLY ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, THIS DAY AND AGE, A LOT OF THINGS CAN NOW RUN ON ON BATTERY POWER.
IT COSTS MORE MONEY AND THIS WOULD BE NEWER TRUCKS.
BUT I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE SEEING THAT A LOT IN RVS.
SO YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR OPERATORS BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE JUST RUNNING, YOU KNOW, REFRIGERATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THEM SETTING UP IN A PARK AND RUNNING A GENERATOR FOR THEIR POWER.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING FOR FROM ME, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW.
SO MY QUESTION, I GUESS, WOULD BE FOR DANIEL.
DANIEL, DO YOU SEE IN ANY OF THESE [INAUDIBLE] OR OTHER CITIES KIND OF GOING WITH WHAT RUSTY JUST SAID? THE GENERATORS, IT SEEMS LIKE, WOULD BE LOUD.
SO IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
SO DO YOU SEE IN ANY OF THESE OTHER REGS FOR OTHER CITIES, SOMETHING THAT PROHIBITS RUNNING OFF OF GENERATORS THAT WOULD BE A NOISE NUISANCE? UM, SO IT'S NOT VERY COMMON TO OTHER REGULATIONS, BUT WHAT IS COMMON THAT MAY BE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TANGENTIALLY RELATED IS, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE ORDINANCES, YOU KNOW, MENTION NOISE NUISANCES.
SO OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON, YOU KNOW, NOISE LEVELS ASSOCIATED WITH A FOOD TRUCK AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS A GENERATOR THAT MAY BE LOUD, WELL, THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE ONE WAY THAT A LOT OF THESE CITIES HANDLE THAT.
NOW HOW VIGOROUS THEY ARE ABOUT ENFORCING THOSE REGULATIONS, OH I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
SO IF THEY'RE JUST SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT A NOISE NUISANCE, I MEAN, A NOISE ORDINANCE APPLIES TO THEM. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING SPECIAL ABOUT A NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE A NOISE ORDINANCE JUST APPLIES, RIGHT? YEAH, GENERALLY SPEAKING, HOWEVER, IF WE THINK WE WERE GENERALLY, WE BEING PLANNING STAFF AND COMMISSION, WERE GENERALLY INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS IN THE FUTURE AS A LAND USE.
YOU'LL SEE MANY OF OUR LIMITED USE STANDARDS AND OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS DO SPECIFICALLY JUST NOTE, YOU KNOW, NO PERCEPTIBLE, YOU KNOW, NOISE, VIBRATION, ET CETERA.
SO THAT STILL MAY BE SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING.
YEAH. AND IN THE PACKAGE THAT THE STAFF SENT OUT FROM SAN ANTONIO, THEY HAVE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, RESTRICTIONS FOR MOBILE FOOD COURTS AND SPECIFICALLY SECTION THIRTEEN SIXTY SEVEN THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW VERY CLEARLY SAYS THAT MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS THAT REMAIN ON PROPERTY OVERNIGHT SHALL HAVE TEMPORARY CONNECTIONS FOR ELECTRICITY, POTABLE, WATER, ET CETERA.
AND SO THAT WOULD TO ME, IF YOU READ THAT, THAT KIND OF EXCLUDES GENERATORS, BECAUSE THAT'S, ONE MIGHT SAY, THAT'S NOT A TEMPORARY CONNECTION.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE [INAUDIBLE] . I LIKE THE PACKAGE THAT THE STAFF PUT TOGETHER.
I AGREE WITH THAT 100 PERCENT.
I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT. THIRTEEN SIXTY SEVEN TO DAVID.
I WANT TO GET TO WHEN WE LOGICALLY WORK OUR WAY BACK THERE.
OK, Y'ALL CAN EXPLAIN TO ME, YOU PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE ABOUT ALL OF THIS THAN I DO.
OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR RUSTY ABOUT THE POWER OR HAVE WE GOTTEN WHAT WE NEED ON THAT FOR NOW? AND THEN WE'LL WORK OUR WAY BACK INTO THAT AS WE KIND OF START [INAUDIBLE] DOWN THAT ORDINANCE? NOTHING ELSE FOR RUSTY NOW ON THAT.
OK. SO DANIEL, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE NEXT? YEAH. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO DOWN THE LIST, THERE WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
OKAY. SO WE HAD OUR NEXT QUESTION AND TOPICS REMAINING.
WE HAD DANIEL AND I TALKED, OH GOD, DANIEL, WHEN DID WE TALK YESTERDAY? DID WE TALK YESTERDAY? YES.
ABOUT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE REMAINING AND WE TALKED ABOUT OPEN ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON
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THE LAND USES.THE LAND USE. AND IF WE PURSUE FOOD TRUCK PARKS AS A LAND USE AND THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER IN SETTING UP A LAND USE.
SO DANIEL, DID YOU HAVE SOME OF THOSE LIMITED USE STANDARDS READY TO SCREEN SHARE? YEAH, I THINK-- OR DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS FIRST.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT THEM FIRST BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, WHICH CATHERINE MAY BE ABLE TO PULL THOSE UP PRETTY QUICK AS WELL. BUT MANY OF OUR LIMITED USE STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, IT GENERALLY SEEMS TO BE THE THINGS THAT ARE PERCEIVED AS BEING POTENTIALLY MORE OF A NUISANCE NEAR RESIDENTIAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, FLEA MARKET COMES UP AS KIND OF THE FIRST EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, GOING ALPHABETICALLY. AND SO A FLEA MARKET WOULD, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A BUFFER OF TWO HUNDRED FOOT FOR RESIDENTIAL ZONING BOUNDARIES? NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY FLEA MARKETS IN GALVESTON I KNOW OF.
AND THEN THERE'S OTHER THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A BUFFER FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION OUTDOOR, WHICH ONCE AGAIN IS TENDS TO BE THINGS THAT PROBABLY WOULD CREATE MORE OF A POTENTIAL NUISANCE THAN A FOOD TRUCK, ARGUABLY . A KENNEL IS ANOTHER ONE THAT I SEE.
THEY GENERALLY TEND TO BE 200 FOOT.
HOWEVER, I WILL POINT OUT THAT CURRENTLY THE BUFFER BETWEEN FOOD TRUCKS, AND THERE FOR BY INCLUSION PARKS, IS A HUNDRED FOOT FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARIES.
AND SO REALLY THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, DOES THE COMMISSIONER THINK THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE? SHOULD IT BE LESS, SHOULD IT BE MORE OR SHOULD IT BE DONE AWAY WITH ALTOGETHER? SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION INVOLVED WITH THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.
SO THOUGHTS ON THAT? I NOTICED THAT IN READING THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER CITIES THEY HAD.
YOU KNOW, 50 FEET OF AN INTERSECTION, NOT WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN INTERSECTION OR WITHIN SO CLOSE OF A SCHOOL OR WHATEVER, DO YOU ALL HAVE A THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT THE BUFFER SHOULD BE FROM A FOOD TRUCK OR A FOOD TRUCK PARK TO RESIDENTIAL? FIFTY FEET, TWO HUNDRED FEET, A 100 FEET.
I HAVE A DANIAL QUESTION REAL QUICK.
WHAT IS IT FOR A RESTAURANT? WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FOR A RESTAURANT WHERE, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT ONES, BUT IN GENERAL YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? YEAH, LET ME JUST RUN DOWN THE BUFFERS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY JUST FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION. SO THERE IS A SEVENTY FIVE FOOT BUFFER.
IT'S NOT, OF COURSE, FOOD SYSTEMS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A DOOR, BASICALLY THEIR LOCATION TO THE DOOR OF A RESTAURANT WITH A SIMILAR MENU ITEMS. SO IF YOU HAD A FOOD TRUCK NEXT-- THE FOOD TRUCK THAT SERVES TACOS NEXT DOOR TO A RESTAURANT THAT YOU KNOW, ONLY SELLS LIKE, SAY, A BEN AND JERRY'S OR SOMETHING THAT ONLY SERVES ICE CREAM, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULDN'T APPLY.
BUT IF THEY HAVE A SIMILAR MENU ITEMS, THERE IS A BUFFER.
THERE'S ONE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER THAT BETWEEN FOOD TRUCKS AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR R0 R1 R2 R3.
AND THERE IS A FIVE HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN FOOD TRUCKS AND SCHOOLS.
BUT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A HARD BUFFER.
IT ONLY APPLIES DURING SCHOOL HOURS AND AN HOUR BEFORE AND AFTER.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE BUFFERS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CURRENT FOOD TRUCK REGULATIONS AND RUSTY WERE YOU JUST ASKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS IN GENERAL? UH OH.
DID WE LOSE, RUSTY? PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON, SORRY.
I WAS ACTUALLY ASKING MORE OF WHAT IF I WERE TO BUILD A RESTAURANT, A BRICK AND MORTAR ESTABLISHMENT? WHAT ARE MY SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS? MM HMM.
UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, LET'S LOOK AT OUR LIMITED USE STANDARDS FOR, SAY, A
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RESTAURANT WITH NO DRIVE THRU, FOR EXAMPLE.A RESTAURANT IS JUST GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL USE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A LIMITED USE STANDARD IS IT? IT'S GOING TO JUST HAVE A FLAT COMMERCIAL USE.
IT MAY ACTUALLY-- IT DOES SOMETIMES.
I'LL JUMP IN HERE, DANIEL, AND HELP YOU OUT HERE.
SO IN THREE ZONING DISTRICTS MULTIFAMILY, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, THERE IS A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IN THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS IT'S JUST A PERMITTED USE, SO THERE ARE NO ASSOCIATED STANDARDS.
THERE'S-- WE'LL HAVE TO SCROLL ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN, SEE WHAT THOSE STANDARDS ARE.
BUT TYPICALLY, IF THERE IS ANY SORT OF BUFFER IN A LIMITED STANDARD, IT'S USUALLY TWO HUNDRED FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL.
AND YES, THAT IS THE CASE FOR RESTAURANT IN THOSE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS.
TWO HUNDRED FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL COMES WITH A RESTRICTION OF HOURS OF OPERATION NOT TO OPERATE BETWEEN 10 P.M.
AND EIGHT A.M. SO ONE THOUGHT, AND THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION, ONE THOUGHT I HAVE IS IF I THINK WHATEVER WE DO IN THESE, YOU KNOW, BUFFERS.
I DO THINK THEY NEED TO-- WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE FOOD TRUCKS THE ABILITY TO GO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS CLOSER TO SAY, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT THAN IF I'M FIXING TO OPEN UP A WHATABURGER.
I THINK THOSE NEED TO BE COMPARABLE.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS 200 FEET.
IT'S ONLY IN THOSE FEW ZONING DISTRICTS, IN THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS LIKE COMMERCIAL, CENTRAL BUSINESS, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
THERE IS NO DISTANCE REQUIREMENT.
WELL, TO THAT END, I THINK THAT RUSTY HAS A GREAT POINT.
AND I THINK THAT OUR FIRST ANSWER IS, FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, OUR FIRST BUFFER IS TWO HUNDRED FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL.
DO WE-- TO GO WITH RUSTY'S POINT? WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW A FOOD TRUCK PARK TO BE ANY CLOSER TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAN A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT.
DO WE AGREE ON THAT? COMMISSIONERS RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU AGREE.
SO, DANIEL, WE HAVE OUR FIRST DECISION OF THE DAY, SO WE'VE GOT 200 HUNDRED FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL. OK, NOW YOU SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED PARK IN THE MOTION, SO TO SPEAK.
HOW ABOUT INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCKS? YOU PREVIOUSLY, COMMISSION, THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE THEM THE OPTION.
SO WOULD THAT APPLY TO INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS AS WELL, OR JUST PARKS? JUST PARKS. BECAUSE CURRENTLY, A FOOD TRUCK CAN OPERATE 100 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL, IS THAT CORRECT, DANIEL? RIGHT? AND WOULD, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION LIKE TO KEEP THAT BUFFER OR, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS IT FURTHER AS WELL? COMMISSIONERS? HERE'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT IS WE HAVE NOW SINGLE FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY GO AND THEY GET THEIR TEMPORARY POWER POLE.
THEY PLUG IN AND THEY'VE PRETTY MUCH SET UP CAMP, BUT THEY'RE NOT TECHNICALLY FOOD TRUCK PARKS. SO IN THAT REGARD, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THEM BEING ABLE TO GO ANY CLOSER.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO OUR BRICK AND MORTAR GUYS.
SO IF THEY'RE MOBILE, HOWEVER, AND THEY'RE THEY'RE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS AND WE DO OUR SEVENTY FIVE FOOT DOOR TO DOOR DEAL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE.
AND I THINK THOSE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO BE MORE-- IN THAT SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE OPERATING OUTSIDE OF A PARK.
YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE SUITED TO THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW FOOD TRUCKS THAT ARE OPERATED WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SET UP ALMOST PERMANENTLY.
BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PARK, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY A PARK.
AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
THOSE GUYS ARE AT THE 100 FOOT MARK.
THEY CAN BE WITHIN 100 FEET CURRENTLY.
SO DO WE WANT TO LET THEM KEEP STAYING AT THE HUNDRED FEET? I THINK IF THEY'RE THERE, I THINK WE CAN LET THEM KEEP STAYING AT THE HUNDRED FEET.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? DO WE LET AN INDIVIDUAL TRUCK STAY AT 100 FEET? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT TO LET AN INDIVIDUAL TRUCK STAY AT HUNDRED FEET.
ALL RIGHT. INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS AT 100 FOOD TRUCK, PARKS AT TWO HUNDRED, DANIEL.
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GOOD NOTED.ALL RIGHT. NOW I'M GOING TO MUDDY THE WATER.
WHEN WE WERE TALKING, WHEN DANIEL AND I WERE TALKING YESTERDAY, WE HAVE MINIMUM.
UH, THE SIZES ON SOME LAND USES,[INAUDIBLE], DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.
DO WE WANT A MINIMUM LOT SIZE ON A FOOD TRUCK PARK? AND DO WE WANT A MINIMUM? WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MINIMUM-- PER FOOD TRUCK SIZE A PAD SITE, BASICALLY FOR A FOOD TRUCK.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MINIMUM SIZE FOR A WHOLE FOOD TRUCK PARK TO BE DEEMED A FOOD TRUCK PARK? IN OTHER WORDS-- DANIEL DID I SAY SOMETHING WRONG? NO, NO, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE COMMISSION IN GENERAL BEFORE YOU KNOW THE QUESTION IS ANSWERED JUST TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
GOOD, PLEASE. SO THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE COMMISSION COULD TACKLE THIS QUESTION. THERE'S MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU COULD LIMIT THESE IF YOU SO CHOSE TO AT ALL.
AND DIFFERENT CITIES DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS.
SOME CITIES SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM AT LEAST 10 FEET APART.
IT'S PROBABLY A FIRE SAFETY THING IN CONFORMANCE WITH, YOU KNOW, ICC.
SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE FOOD TRUCKS 10 FEET APART WILL IN SOME WAY PRACTICALLY LIMIT HOW MANY YOU CAN HAVE ON ANY GIVEN PARCEL.
YOU COULD DO IT BY A FLAT NUMBER.
YOU COULD DO IT BY A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LOT ITSELF.
CURRENTLY, THE FOURTH OPTION IS THE ONE THAT THE CITY OF GALVESTON DOES USE, WHERE IT'S ONE TRUCK FOR EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.
SO THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS YOU ALL COULD ACTUALLY PROCEED WITH THIS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT.
TEN FEET APART IS NOT VERY MUCH.
THAT'S SQUISHED IN THERE, I MEAN.
I NEED PRACTICALLY THAT MUCH ROOM TO PARK MY DANG CAR.
OK, SO I'M NOT A GOOD DRIVER, LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.
I'M NOT THAT GOOD OF A DRIVER.
HERE'S SOMETHING THAT I SEE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH OUR CURRENT.
PARK DEAL IS WE DON'T PROVIDE-- THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MAYBE WE MAKE THE DEAL OF THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PLUS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PARKING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PARKING ON THE STREET.
AND I'VE SEEN THAT WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD THEY'RE DOING A GREAT BUSINESS.
IT'S JUST CREATING A REAL HAZARD.
SO I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING WHERE MAYBE WE STICK WITH OUR THOUSAND FEET AND YOU KNOW WHAT? MAKE THEM EACH HAVE FOR EVERY PARK YOU GOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR PARKING SPACES SO YOU-- [INAUDIBLE] DO I MAKE YOUR BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING PLACES? YES, SIR, YOU GOT TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS FOR EVERY TABLETOP YOU HAVE.
YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT IN CERTAIN-- THERE'S A FEW ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE EXCEPTIONS, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YEAH, THERE WOULD BE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR BRICK AND MORTAR.
OK. QUIET COMMISSIONERS WEIGH IN.
YES, BOB, DOES THAT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET INCLUDE THE PARKING? OR IS THAT JUST THE THE THE TRUCK, ITS PICNIC TABLE OR EATING AREA OR WHAT, WHATEVER? THAT'S JUST A GENERAL LIMITATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF OR HOW MANY HOW MANY TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY.
NUMBER OF TRUCKS PER SQUARE FOOT AREA, BASICALLY.
IT DOESN'T. THE CURRENT FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCE DOES NOT ADDRESS PARKING WHATSOEVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD A LOT THAT WAS 4000 SQUARE FOOT AND APPROPRIATELY ZONE, YOU COULD HAVE FOUR FOOD TRUCKS AND PARKING ISN'T REALLY ADDRESSED.
OK, THAT PARTICULAR SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD INCLUDE THE FOOD TRUCK AND ITS ASSOCIATED EATING
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AREA. WHAT IF YOU HAD, LET'S JUST SAY, FOUR FOOD TRUCKS AND THEN ONE COMMON EATING AREA THAT THEY ALL SHARED? YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT NEED A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PER FOOD TRUCK IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE. RIGHT.AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT REALLY ADDRESSED.
YOU KNOW, WE ALLOW THEM A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SEATING AND IN OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, PER FOOD TRUCK AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS IF THAT IS OR ISN'T INCLUDED IN THE AREA.
WE JUST SAY IT'S ONE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT PER FOOD TRUCK.
IT PRETTY MUCH LIMITS THE NUMBER OF FOOD TRUCKS, AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S-- HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND RUSTY.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IN DETERMINING IF WE NEED TO HAVE A MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER A FOOD TRUCK PARK AS A LAND USE, BECAUSE DO WE WANT TO SAY THAT A FOOD TRUCK PARK SHOULD HAVE LIKE? YOU NEED TO HAVE THREE FOOD TRUCKS TO BE A FOOD TRUCK PARK, AND THEN WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THREE FOOD TRUCKS.
SO THEN YOU WOULD GET TO HAVE SEATING BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET TO HAVE SEATING A PICNIC TABLE AND ALL THAT UNLESS YOU ARE A FOOD TRUCK PARK, JUST A FOOD TRUCK DOESN'T IT GET TO HAVE SEATING.
FOOD TRUCK IS YOU JUST GRAB YOUR STUFF AND YOU GO.
SO IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SEATING, YOU NEED TO HAVE THREE FOOD TRUCKS AND WHAT? TWO PARKING PLACES, TWO PARKING PLACES, A PLACE TO SIT, THREE FOOD TRUCKS.
WELL, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THAT? SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M WONDERING DO WE NEED TO BACK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR AM I PIE IN THE SKY? OK, RUSTY.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SO MY THOUGHTS ARE, AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE PER TABLETOP IN A RESTAURANT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT UNDER THE CURRENT REGS, I THINK YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THREE TABLES PER, IT'S EITHER THREE OR FOUR.
I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH IT IS, PER FOOD TRUCK.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE REQUIRE WHATABURGER TO HAVE THREE PARKING SPOTS FOR THREE TABLES, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK PARK, HAVE THE SAME THING. NOW I DO KNOW WHERE WE HAVE THESE FREESTANDING FOOD TRUCKS AND THEY'RE NOT, AND DANIEL, HELP ME HERE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE ARE TECHNICALLY FOOD TRUCK PARKS OR IF THEY'RE JUST OPERATING AS FOOD TRUCKS, BUT ALMOST ALL OF THEM HAVE TABLES IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS.
SO THEY HAVE TABLES THERE AND NO PARKING.
SO THE WAY THE REGULATIONS CURRENTLY READ IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS MADE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT PREVIOUSLY.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH MY NOTES, BUT CURRENTLY EACH TRUCK, EACH FOOD TRUCK IS ALLOWED SEATING FOR 12 PEOPLE.
UM, NOW, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL LIKELY SIT THERE AT THOSE TABLES AND, YOU KNOW, EAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE WEATHER OR WHATEVER, LIKE A WORK CREW THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE IN THE SAME VEHICLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE AND COME AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SOME PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY JUST PICKING UP AND THEN GOING AGAIN.
AND IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SAY WHAT PERCENT.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY WHICH PERCENTAGE OF WHO IS WHO BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T STUDY THAT. BUT THEN AGAIN, I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF DRIVE THRU VERSUS DINE IN BUSINESS IS FOR A WHATABURGER, EITHER.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ALSO LOOK AT WHAT FOOD TRUCKS ARE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE, OR IT SEEMS LIKE THE FOCUS IS MORE ON PARK, WHICH IS FINE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE INDIVIDUAL FOOD TRUCK, IF THERE IS NO SEATING AND NO SEATING IS ALLOWED AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PUZZLING THROUGH THIS, THAT MAY BE A WAY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TO GO.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SO INCLINED TO HANG AROUND, SO IT REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT WHAT THE INTENT OF THE COMMISSION IS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS IN WHICH WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THESE QUESTIONS, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
LET ME JUST NOTE, FOR THE RECORD, THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS JOINED US.
YEAH. JEFFREY, TO YOUR POINT, I THINK THAT WE NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT MORE THAN TWO MIGHT CONSTITUTE A PARK THREE OR MORE.
AND SO THAT THEN STARTS TO DEFINE YOUR MINIMUM LOT SIZE, BUT YOU CAN'T DEFINE YOUR
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MINIMUM LOT SIZE UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD BE.AND REALLY, I MEAN, IS THAT EVEN NECESSARY DAVID? DO WE NEED THAT? DO WE NEED PARKING? NO, NO, NO, NO.
DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO BE DEFINED AS A FOOD TRUCK PARK? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE TO BE CONSTITUTED AS A FLEA MARKET.
I'M JUST KIND OF-- I WAS JUST KIND OF TOSSING THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING DO WE NEED IT? SO I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.
WELL, I DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF MINIMUM STANDARD, THE WAY THAT IT'S STRUCTURED NOW, THE ONE TRUCK PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET DOES ACT AS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS JUST BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY.
SO I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT SOME KIND OF MINIMUM STANDARD.
OH, IT'S JUST GOING TO NOTE, FOR THE RECORD, THAT COUNCIL MEMBER JOHN LISTOWSKI HAS JOINED US. DO-- HOW ARE WE FEELING COMMISSIONERS ABOUT DO WE THINK THAT WE SHOULD SET SOME KIND OF MINIMUM LIKE? THREE TRUCKS WOULD BE, I MEAN, IS THIS.
GO AHEAD, BOB. IS THIS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE AS TO WHETHER THREE TRUCKS CONSTITUTES A PARK? GO AHEAD, BOB. WELL, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO ARRIVE AT A DEFINITION OF FOOD TRUCK PARK AND THIS IS ONE WAY OF DOING IT.
IF WE SAY THAT THREE TRUCKS OR MORE CONSTITUTES A FOOD TRUCK PARK, AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT DEFINITION, WE CAN BEGIN CREATING THE CRITERIA AND CONDITIONS AROUND IT.
NOW, I THINK THREE FOOD TRUCKS OR MORE CONSTITUTES A FOOD TRUCK PARK IS A REASONABLE PLACE TO START. THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] REASONABLE YEAH.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT TO DEFINE A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
DO WE START WITH GREATER THAN THREE TRUCKS? DO WE WANT TO-- COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU JUST CAME IN RIGHT AT THE PART WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING, WHICH I KNOW IS A BIG DEAL, ALWAYS TO COUNCIL, TALKING ABOUT PARKING, TRASH, THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT PARKING FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK, DO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ON SITE PARKING AT THE FOOD TRUCK PARK, YOU KNOW? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE? DO YOU WANT TO CHIME IN ON ANYTHING ABOUT HAVING ON SITE PARKING ON THE FOOD TRUCK PARK? OR DO YOU WANT-- DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT OR DO YOU THINK COUNCIL WOULD EVER THOUGHT ON THAT? I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND JUST LIKE THERE ARE AREAS OF TOWN THAT ARE ZONED WHERE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS DON'T NEED PARKING IF IT'S IN. I THINK WE PROBABLY TAKE THAT SAME CRITERIA AND USE IT.
SO IF IT'S IN A ZONE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE PARKING FOR HOUSING, THEN WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE PARKING FOR THE FOOD TRUCK PARK, POSSIBLY.
BUT BUT IF IT IS AN AREA OF TOWN THAT REQUIRES PARKING, THEN THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE PARKING. SO THE STANDARD FOR COMMERCIAL ENTITIES THAT HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING IS 300 SQUARE FEET. WELL, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EACH THREE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF AREA THAT'S BEING USED FOR THAT USE.
SO FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WOULD CALCULATE THAT ON.
WOULD WE CALCULATE IT ON THE FOOD TRUCKS THEMSELVES, THE AREA OF THAT, THE AREA OF THE SEATING? IT WOULD, MY THOUGHT, WOULD BE THE AREA OF THE SEATING.
HMM. WASN'T THERE A SEATING REQUIREMENT FOR EACH FOOD TRUCK? THERE'S NOT A CURRENTLY A REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY ARE CAPPED A MAXIMUM OF 12 SEATS PER TRUCK, BUT IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT PER SAY.
I'M SORRY. NO, PLEASE, DAVID, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GOING TO ASK, DO WE? [INAUDIBLE]I WAS, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE FOR EACH TABLETOP AT A RESTAURANT? IT'S NOT DONE BY A NUMBER OF TABLES.
IT USED TO BE UNDER THE OLD ZONING STANDARDS, BUT IN THE LRDS, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. IT'S JUST DONE BY SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO FOR A RESTAURANT, WE WOULD TAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE DINING AREA AND DIVIDE THAT BY 300, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER OF SPACES REQUIRED.
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OK, SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE PLANNING EXPERTS TO PLEASE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US ON SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE LAND USE BASED LOOSELY ON A THREE FOOT, I MEAN, A MINIMUM OF THREE TRUCKS TO CONSTITUTE A FOOD TRUCK PARK.WHATEVER LOOKS TO BE REASONABLE AND CUSTOMARY WITHIN COMPARABLE REGS.
AND I'M NOT-- I CAN'T JUST FLIP THROUGH HERE AND FIND IT DANIEL WITHIN ALL THIS GOOD STUFF THAT YOU SENT US.
I'VE GOT SO MUCH STUFF HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE.
I LOOK LIKE A COLLEGE STUDENT WHO WENT TO SLEEP WITH THEIR HIGHLIGHTER IN THEIR HAND.
ANYWAY, WE HAVE TO ALL LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND I THINK WE'VE TAKEN TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT ONE, BUT EITHER A MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
I THINK WE'VE DECIDED ON OUR BUFFER, SIZES.
WHAT ELSE DID WE NEED TO DECIDE ON AS FAR AS LIMITED USE STANDARDS GO, WHAT DID WE NEED TO DISCUSS ON THAT [INAUDIBLE]? DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS DANIEL? WELL, I MEAN, A LIMITED USE STANDARD COULD REALLY BE ANYTHING THAT THE COMMISSION FEELS IS APPROPRIATE, YOU KNOW, TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL.
SO HOUR-- COMMISSIONERS HOURS OF OPERATION, IF THEY'RE WITHIN TWO HUNDRED FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONE WE HAD-- OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
SHOULD THEY NOT OPERATE BETWEEN 10 AND EIGHT? JOHN? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME.
IF-- WE SAID THAT FOOD TRUCKS SHOULD NOT BE ANY CLOSER THAN TWO HUNDRED FEET TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
OK. AND THEN IN LIMITED USE STANDARDS LIKE A RESTAURANT.
BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT SHOULD NOT BE ANY CLOSER THAN TWO HUNDRED FEET TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND IT ALSO SHOULD NOT OPERATE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 AND EIGHT P.M..
OK, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ZONED, YOU KNOW IT HAS-- WHAT IS THE ZONING THAT YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN? [INAUDIBLE] THE ZONE PARK COMMERCIAL PART RESIDENTIAL? AND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT A FOOD TRUCK OR FOOD PARK WITHIN THAT AREA, WHICH THERE COULD BE RESIDENCES, YOU KNOW, SURROUNDING A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, WE SAID THEY CAN'T BE THERE.
SO WHAT I AM UNDERSTANDING? NO, NO, NO.
I'M JUST SAYING IF-- I'M SAYING IF A FOOD TRUCK PARK IS TWO HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT THEY SHOULD NOT OPERATE BETWEEN 10 AND EIGHT.
SO THAT THEY SHOULD, I'M SAYING THAT A FOOD TRUCK PARK SHOULD HAVE THE SAME LIMITATIONS ON IT THAT A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT HAS.
AREN'T WE IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S THE CASE? ISN'T THAT WHAT RUSTY HAS BEEN SAYING? THAT A FOOD TRUCK PARK SHOULD HAVE THE SAME LIMITATIONS ON IT THAT A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT HAS? I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I THOUGHT A BRICK AND MORTAR RESTAURANT, THEY'RE NOT CLOSING AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. NO, THEY'RE CLOSING AT 10:00 IF THEY'RE WITHIN TWO HUNDRED FEET.
OK. IT SAYS IF YOU LOOK AT LIMITED USE STANDARDS OF A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH. ALL RIGHT.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION NEAR RESIDENTIAL, THE USE IF WITHIN TWO HUNDRED FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL USE OR RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY MEASURED AS A RADIUS FROM PROPERTY LINES AND THE LIMITED USE SHALL NOT OPERATE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10 P.M.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WORKING, THOUGH, BECAUSE WE HAVE [INAUDIBLE] RESTAURANTS CURRENTLY THAT ARE IN MIXED USE AREAS THAT ARE OPERATING OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS.
IF IT'S TWO HUNDRED FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE [INAUDIBLE] IT NEEDS TO BE TURNED INTO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
BUT I THINK THE WHOLE ISLAND IS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE BREAKFAST ANYWHERE IN A MIXED USE AREA, YOU KNOW IT'S BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK.
WELL, THESE RESTRICTIONS ARE ONLY IN THREE ZONING DISTRICTS, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF RESTAURANTS THAT AREN'T WITHIN THESE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THAT SPECIFIC REGULATION. OK.
IT'S ALSO NEW TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE PLENTY OF STUFF THAT WAS OPERATING BEFORE THAT.
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OK, SO THERE ARE ONLY THREE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THIS PARTICULAR RULE IN PLACE FOR THE RESTAURANTS? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, CATHERINE? THAT'S RIGHT. IT WOULD BE FOR NEW RESTAURANTS, [INAUDIBLE] AND LET ME SCROLL BACK UP TO MY LIST.IT IS MULTIFAMILY, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
IT'S OK, THERE RIGHT, CATHERINE? THAT'S THE THREE ZONES WHERE THE LIMITED STANDARDS ARE IN EFFECT, SO WITHIN THOSE THREE ZONES, IF YOU'RE WITHIN TWO HUNDRED FEET OF RESIDENTIAL, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION. SO IT'S PRETTY LIMITED GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
AND THAT'S IF THEY DON'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH THRU, RIGHT? IF THEY HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH THE HOURS ARE DIFFERENT? IF THEY HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED.
SO, THEY'RE NOT. THEY CAN'T HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH IN THOSE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS.
NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
OK, I ONLY ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ONCE WE PUT THESE RULES INTO EFFECT OR ONCE WE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL VOTES ON THEM AND WE RECOMMEND THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE WHERE-- BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT-- LIKE I SEE A LOT OF TRUCKS OUT THERE THAT ARE LIKE THE BREAKFAST TRUCKS THEY HAVE, LIKE BREAKFAST TACOS AND THOSE GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO START EARLIER.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] TRUCK, I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'RE OPERATING AFTER 10:00.
SO I GUESS IF WE'RE GOING TO CARVE OUT THESE RULES WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, WHICH I DON'T HAVE MANY COMMERCIAL RESTAURANTS [INAUDIBLE].
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPECIFY AND STIPULATE WHERE THESE RULES ARE IN PLACE AND WHERE THEY CANNOT OPEN UP A FOOD PARK BECAUSE OF THESE PARTICULAR RULES.
THAT'S I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO FAIR THAT THEY HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE SAME RULES AS BRICK AND MORTAR. I AGREE, TOTALLY, TOTALLY AGREE, I THINK, BUT WE NEED TO EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE-- THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME AS A BRICK AND MORTAR BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M A MOBILE VEHICLE.
I CAN DO, YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN'T HAVE THE SAME RULES TO HOLD YOU, BUT IF WE'VE ALREADY AGREED THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SPELLING THAT OUT TO PEOPLE, RIGHT? OK, COUNCIL MEMBER.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE FOOD TRUCK ITSELF.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY THAT THE FOOD TRUCK PARK IS ALLOWED ON.
SO THAT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED.
AND IF IT FALLS WITHIN THE ZONING CATEGORY, IT HAS TO, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS THESE CRITERIA.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE FOOD TRUCK IS NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.
THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S TRUE, AND-- HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AND CLARIFIES WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT PROPERTY THAT HAS A ZONING CATEGORY ALREADY IN [INAUDIBLE] AND HAS ZONING. AND SO WE ARE JUST PUTTING ANOTHER USE INTO OUR ZONING STANDARDS.
AND IF THE ZONING DOESN'T FIT AND IT, THEN IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR IT TO BE A FOOD TRUCK PARK, ISN'T THAT YOUR POINT? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO YOU CAN'T GO INTO AN R1, A PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND ESTABLISH A FOOD PARK. IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN A RESIDENTIAL R1 PROPERTY, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR COMMERCIAL ZONING AREAS, OR IF YOU GET ONE-- IF YOU WANT TO DO ONE IN ONE OF THESE THREE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAVE LIMITED USES, THEN YOU HAVE TO MEET THOSE LIMITED USES.
RIGHT. OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S FARTHER THAN TWO HUNDRED FEET FROM AN R1 OR R2.
IT'S GOT TO BE COMMERCIAL THAT'S GOT THAT TWO HUNDRED FOOT BUS BUFFER.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU CAN'T-- IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ADJACENT TO AN R1 PROPERTY, A FOOD TRUCK COURT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ON THAT PROPERTY UNLESS IT WAS A BIG ENOUGH PROPERTY WHERE YOU CAN GET THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IN THERE.
YES, BUT PUT YOUR PARKING IN THERE.
YES. SO, THE VOTE THEN WOULD BE THAT WE ADD THE SAME HOURS OF OPERATION NEAR RESIDENTIAL LIMITATION IN THAT WE HAVE IN SECTION 2.358 FOR RESTAURANT WITHOUT
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DRIVE THROUGH-- THAT WE ADD THAT FOR FOOD TRUCK PARKS.IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONERS SAME THING FOR BRICK AND MORTAR, AS FOR FOOD TRUCKS, AS FOR BRICK AND MORTAR CORRECT RAISE HANDS.
DANIEL, WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE DECIDED.
GIVE US SOMETHING ELSE TO DECIDE DANIEL.
COME ON TOSS US ANOTHER ONE, LOB US ANOTHER ONE.
DANIEL? SORRY, I DIDN'T CLICK THE RIGHT BUTTON.
OK, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT EXEMPTIONS FOR NON-PROFITS.
I THINK THAT'S NEXT ON OUR LIST, GOING DOWN THE QUESTIONS, TOPICS REMAINING, AND I REFERENCED THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS AS BEING ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
THEY BASICALLY-- THAT'S IN ATTACHMENT C OF THE MEMO.
THEY ALLOW EXEMPTIONS FROM THEIR-- IN THIS CASE, IT'S TEMPORARY FOOD TRUCK ORDINANCES, WHICH THEY HAVE THOSE, YOU KNOW FOR IF A SCHOOL WANTS TO DO A FUNDRAISER OR SOMETHING.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AND ENTERTAIN? YOU KNOW, IN SOME MANNER, LIKE I SAID, IN THIS CASE, SPECIFICALLY AT SAN MARCOS, IT'S IN REGARDS TO TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMITS, WHICH I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST, COMMISSION HAS DEEMED IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, USEFUL TO HAVE THAT.
SO THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL WE HANDLE THAT? AND THIS MIGHT KIND OF BE PART IN PARCEL WITH THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE TEMPORARY PERMITS. AS A CATHOLIC AND OUR LADY OF PERPETUAL FUNDRAISING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I'M ALL OVER THIS AND I'M A YES ON NONPROFITS.
DOES THIS JUST MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY REGULATION AT ALL? NO, IT MEANS THAT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PULL A TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMIT FOR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN EVENTS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE UNDER LIKE TWO OR THREE DAYS OR WHATEVER THAT THOSE PARTICULAR NONPROFITS.
AND I THINK IT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THE 501 C THREE OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED FOR. NON-PROFITS, YOU KNOW, ARE EXEMPT FROM THE TEMPORARY CONCESSION PERMITS THERE IN SAN MARCOS.
YOU KNOW, BOB, WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME THE SEASONAL PERMITS THAT ARE SO EXPENSIVE AND BASICALLY THAT SOME PLACES TEND TO MAKE THE SEASONAL PERMITS SO EXPENSIVE THAT IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S JUST BETTER TO GO AHEAD AND PULL AN ANNUAL PERMIT THAN TO PAY FOR THESE SEASONAL PERMITS.
SO ALL THIS WOULD DO IS FOR THE NONPROFITS JUST ALLOW THEM TO NOT PAY THESE SEASONAL PERMITS. SO, DANIEL, WOULD YOU? IT WOULD JUST. WELL, YOU WOULD JUST THIS-- PULL YOU, PULL IT TOGETHER, JEFFREY.
THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO FILE WITH IT, MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE PROPER HEALTH PERMITS.
RIGHT? YEAH, I MEAN, THE TRUCK WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE TO HAVE ITS, YOU KNOW, PROPER PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS WITH WITH GCHD.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THE YOU KNOW, THIS HYPOTHETICAL, THE CITY WOULD SAY, OH, YOU'RE A NONPROFIT, OH, HERE'S PROOF OF THE 501C3 STATUS.
OK, YOU KNOW, GOOD LUCK ON YOUR FUNDRAISER OR YOUR EVENT OR WHATEVER.
I MEAN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE I LIKE TO USE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THE THE HALLOWEEN FESTIVALS THAT SOME OF THE CHURCHES AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO DO LIKE A, YOU KNOW, HOT COCOA OR SOMETHING HOLIDAY RELATED JUST FOR ONE NIGHT OR WHATEVER, THEN TECHNICALLY THE WAY IT SITS NOW, GALVESTON, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PULL A CONCESSION PERMIT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. OOF.
[INAUDIBLE] I WILL SAY THAT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION, THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY NEED TO PROVIDE PROOF OF THEIR NONPROFIT STATUS, BUT I THINK THEY ALSO NEED TO SUBMIT SOME SORT OF WAIVER FORM.
CHURCHES ASIDE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL BE 501C3 ONE DAY AND THEN YOU LOOK THEM UP AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT.
SO BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I THINK LEGALLY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IF THIS IS SOMETHING
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THAT'S GOING TO BE A RECOMMENDATION, THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF LIABILITY OR INDEMNIFICATION IF IN FACT THEY DO NOT PRESENT THEMSELVES TRUTHFULLY, HONESTLY.OK, RUSTY, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
YEAH, I LIKE THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED.
I THINK WE NEED TO EXEMPT THE CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THEY, THEIR VENDORS HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE HEALTH DEPARTMENT LICENSING.
SO AND THEY CAN GET THOSE TEMPORARILY AS WELL.
SO I LIKE I LIKE THIS DIRECTION.
ANY ONE ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS BEFORE WE HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS? NO. OK.
WHO WANTS TO-- SHOW OF HANDS FOR WHO WANTS TO EXEMPT NONPROFITS WITH VALID 501C3 PROOF AND AN ADEQUATE COUNTY HEALTH PROOF FROM HAVING TO DO TEMPORARY PERMITTING? RAISE YOUR HAND, RIGHT? ARE WE ALL ON BOARD? I THINK I SEE EVERYBODY ON THAT, DANIEL.
THIS IS JUST WAVING THE FEE, RIGHT? YES, IT'S WAIVING THE FEE.
THIS ALSO APPLIED TO LIKE FESTIVALS AND SPECIAL EVENTS PUT ON BY OTHER 501C3? YES. SO LIKE STEPHEN, I GUESS THIS WOULD APPLY TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT TO OKTOBERFEST ? RIGHT? YES.
YES. OK, SO, DANIEL, YOU WANT TO MOVE ON TO OUTDOOR DISPLAY LOOPHOLE? WELL, YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, AND JUST TO FILL EVERYONE IN AND KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT THIS REALLY MEANS, AND IT GOES INTO OUR LRDS QUITE A BIT.
CURRENTLY, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED OUTDOOR DISPLAY, WHICH IS PERMITTED FOR BRICK AND MORTARS THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, WITH CONDITIONS, DO SOME OUTDOOR MERCHANDIZING DISPLAY OUTSIDE OF THE CONFINES OF THEIR STORE.
YOU KNOW, BASICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE ROOF IN THE WALLS.
IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SELLING THE SAME PRODUCTS LIKE A CLOTHING STORE, AND THIS IS ASSUMING THAT-- THIS IS ASSUMING IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, [INAUDIBLE] ARE A DIFFERENT MATTER. WE DON'T-- [INAUDIBLE] NOT REALLY GERMANE TO THE ISSUE AT HAND IN THIS CASE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW LIKE, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE METRO STORES OR WHATEVER CAN HAVE THEIR LITTLE KIOSK OUT FRONT TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR PHONE PLANS OR WHATEVER.
IF YOU HAVE-- NOW FOOD TRUCKS MUST, OR CONCESSIONS, NOT JUST FOOD ITEMS, BUT REALLY NON-PERISHABLES AS WELL.
ALL HAVE TO BE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE TRUCK.
NOW, IF THEY ARE ON A PROPERTY WITH A BRICK AND MORTAR.
AND THEY ARE SELLING THEIR PRODUCT IN SOME WAY AND SAY IT'S A BAKERY OR SAY, A FRUIT STAND OR SOMETHING, AND THEY HAVE THE PRODUCT INSIDE THE BRICK AND MORTAR STORE ON THE SAME PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE LEASING FROM.
YA KNOW THEIR LANDLORD'S STORE, BASICALLY THEY'RE TECHNICALLY ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTDOOR SALES AS WELL.
NOW THE QUESTION, THEREFORE, IS DO WE WANT TO ALLOW FOOD TRUCKS TO HAVE THAT OPTION? OR WOULD THEY BE SPECIFICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY PROVISION OF THE LDRS? I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT TO DIGEST AT ONE TIME.
OK, WHO GOT IT? THAT WAS A BIG JUMP. DAVID IS SHAKING HIS HEAD.
OK. DANIEL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AGAIN.
OH, NO PROBLEM. OK, LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN.
SO A BRICK AND MORTAR RETAIL STORE UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW THERE ARE STANDARDS ATTACHED.
THEY CAN SELL THEIR MERCHANDISE OUTSIDE THEIR STORE AND SAY IN THEIR PARKING LOT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
LIKE I SAID, THAT'S HOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE METRO STORES OR THE PHONE STORES CAN GET BY WITH HAVING THE LITTLE POP UP TENTS IN FRONT WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY PHONE PLANS OR UPGRADE THEIR PHONES OR WHATEVER.
SO CONTRAST THAT TO FOOD TRUCKS, WHICH OUR STANDARDS CURRENTLY SAY EVERYTHING HAS TO BE
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WITHIN THE TRUCK.IF THEY THEN SAY, WELL, I'M ACTUALLY SELLING MY, YOU KNOW, DONUTS, FRUIT, WHATEVER IN THE STORE, YOU KNOW WHERE MY LANDLORD IS AT BECAUSE MOST OF THEM ARE ON A PROPERTY WORTH A BRICK AND MORTAR. THEN SUDDENLY THEY CAN PUT THEIR STUFF OUTSIDE JUST LIKE THE RETAILER CAN. IS THIS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT? IS REALLY THE QUESTION.
SO, SO HERE'S WHERE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF FOOD IS WHERE IT GETS TO ME.
OK, ALL I SELL ARE FRENCH FRIES AND SO I'M SELLING FRENCH FRIES IN MY TRUCK, BUT IT'S BIKER WEEKEND.
IT'S LONE STAR RALLY AND I'M SELLING SO MANY FRENCH FRIES THAT I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND FOR FRENCH FRIES.
SO I PUT A TABLE OUT IN FRONT OF MY FOOD TRUCK AND I'M GOING TO SELL FRENCH FRIES FROM THE TABLE OUT IN FRONT OF MY FOOD TRUCK.
SO NOW I'VE GOT TWENTY FIVE PEOPLE STANDING AROUND THE TABLE IN FRONT OF MY FOOD TRUCK, SNEEZING, COUGHING, LAUGHING, EATING, DOING WHATEVER, DROOLING OVER THE FRENCH FRIES ON THIS TABLE. SOUNDING PRETTY APPETIZING, KIDS? IS IT SOUNDING GOOD TO YOU? ARE WE GOING TO LET THEM SELL THESE FRENCH FRIES FROM A TABLE IN FRONT OF THEIR FOOD TRUCK? I SAY NO, BUT THAT'S ME, RUSTY? MY THOUGHTS ARE AND YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I COULD SEE THAT, SO LET'S JUST SAY THEY HAVE THEIR BUSINESS IS GOOD.
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER ALL THE MESS AND TRASH AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOES WITH THEM MOVING OUT OF THEIR TRUCK.
I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT IDEA.
HOWEVER, I THINK IF THEY ARE OPERATING WITHIN A FOOD TRUCK PARK, I THINK YOU SHOULD LET THEM DO IT. SO JUST TO MAKE MONEY.
MUDDY THE WATER EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S EITHER THAT OR YOU JUST DON'T DO IT AT ALL, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.
OK, BOB, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU, JEFFREY, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT PROBLEM OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH FOOD IS TO MOVE ANOTHER FOOD TRUCK INTO THE PARK.
I DON'T THINK HE SHOULD TRY TO SATISFY THAT DEMAND BY CREATING ANOTHER ISSUE THAT'S NOT REALLY REGULATED.
I THINK WE JUST WE JUST BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE ABOUT HOW YOU HANDLE THAT ADDITIONAL DEMAND FOR MORE FOOD.
SO I WOULD URGE US TO BREAK IT DOWN ALONG THE LINES OF CLASSIFICATION OF FOOD.
FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S GO BACK TO THE HONEY VENDOR.
YOU KNOW, HONEY VENDORS GOT CAPPED PRODUCT.
IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO TEMPERATURE CONTROL OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS.
I WOULD URGE US TO KEEP ENVIRONMENTALLY CONTROLLED FOODS INSIDE THE TRUCK, BUT ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SET UP A TABLE OUTSIDE FOR DISPENSING OR SELLING FOOD THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO TEMPERATURE OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL.
DEFINITELY. YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE CREATE THESE ENFORCEMENT PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, OR CHALLENGES, CHALLENGES, ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES.
THE EASIEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE TRUCK.
IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE STUFF OUTSIDE.
DANIEL, YOU WANT TO-- THOUGHTS? WELL, THE COUPLE THOUGHTS NUMBER ONE, AND THIS IS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AS A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.
SOME THINGS ARE GOING TO BE COVERED BY STATE LAW.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE HONEY, THERE'S ACTUALLY STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS THAT SEVERELY LIMIT, YOU KNOW, HOW CITIES CAN-- LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I SHOULD SAY, CAN.
YOU KNOW, REGULATE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PRODUCTS THAT THE STATE HAS SAID, NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THAT.
MM-HMM. ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO FOOD SAFETY REALLY GCHD IS GOING TO BE THE THE FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO HANDLE THAT.
SO REALLY, THE QUESTION IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF.
YOU KNOW, WILL YOU KNOW, COULD IT ALSO PRODUCE OTHER NUISANCES SOMEONE MENTIONED TRASH AS
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A POSSIBILITY.SO I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO REALLY THE SAFETY OF THE FOOD YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PERISHABLE OR NONPERISHABLE WAS SUBJECT TO TEMPERATURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS WELL REALLY GCHD IS GOING TO TACKLE THAT ISSUE.
OK, I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE AND JUST TOSS SOMETHING OUT THERE AND YOU EVERYBODY CAN RAISE THEIR HANDS OR NOT.
I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A SHOW OF HANDS ON WHO WANTS TO KEEP IT ALL IN THE TRUCK.
WE GOT ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE.
SIX. KEEP IT IN THE TRUCK, DANIEL.
SO THE WE WANT TO CLOSE THE OUTDOOR DISPLAY LOOPHOLE.
NOPE THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.
OK, REQUIREMENT FOR RESTROOMS AND HAND-WASHING SANITATION.
YOU LOOKED INTO THIS A GREAT DEAL, DIDN'T YOU, DANIEL? YEAH, I DID.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUICK LITTLE PRESENTATION TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE. PRETTY MUCH.
AND I TALKED TO NOT ONLY GCHD BUT A COUPLE OF OTHER HEALTH DISTRICTS, I TALKED TO TRAVIS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF SAN MARCOS, WHO ONCE AGAIN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN HEALTH DEPARTMENT THERE AT THE CITY LEVEL.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY ALL SAID THE SAME THING THAT THE LAW AND THIS IS I THINK THIS ACTUALLY GOES TO STATE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, STATE.
SOMEONE CITED THE STATE HEALTH, SOMETHING LAWS, BUT BASICALLY REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTROOM ACCESS AND HANDWASHING, YOU KNOW, HAND SANITIZING AT THE STATE LEVEL.
ONLY APPLIES TO EMPLOYEES OF A FOOD TRUCK, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY APPLY TO NOT MANDATED FOR CUSTOMERS.
SO YOU'RE KIND OF OPEN TO MAKE WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU CARE TO MAKE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE ME WASH MY HANDS? AS A CUSTOMER, NO, AS AN EMPLOYEE.
YES. SO IS THAT IS THAT PART OF IT LIKE THE TEXAS COME AND TAKE IT THING? YOU CAN'T MAKE ME WASH MY HANDS? SO ANYWAY, RUSTY, YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS UP, YOU'RE BEING HAND UP, YOU'RE BEING VERY POLITE.
IS THAT HAND WASHED? YES, MA'AM, IT IS.
BUT I EAT WITH THE OTHER HAND.
SO, YOU KNOW, DANIEL IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
SO I MEAN, I DO KNOW HEALTH REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THESE FOOD TRUCKS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE PLACES FOR EMPLOYEES TO WASH THEIR HANDS.
I THINK ON A FREE STANDING, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCK DEAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAKING THEM HAVE TO HAVE WASH STATIONS AND RESTROOMS IS JUST GOING TO BE IT'S JUST NOT LOGISTICALLY GOING TO WORK. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THEN WHAT DO YOU MAKE THE FOOD TRUCK PARKS DO? AND YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT PARKING.
I'VE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE NEED FOR THESE FOOD TRUCK PARKS.
AND EVERY TIME WE ADD SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THE BAR JUST GOES A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT.
IT'S JUST GOING TO GET MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY TO COME TO TOWN TO ACTUALLY DO A PARK.
AND PERSONALLY, I PREFER SEEING THE PARKS IN LIEU OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, SINGLE TRUCKS PARKED ALL OVER TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOUGH, I THINK RESTROOMS FOR ART, FOR FOOD TRUCK PARKS, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS HAVE TO HAVE THEM.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE STARTING TO, YOU KNOW, I'M I WOULD KIND OF LEAN MORE TOWARDS YOU CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE GO WASH THEIR HANDS.
SO, AND DO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THEM A PLACE TO GO, USE THE RESTROOM IN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
I WOULD OPT TO NOT MAKE THAT A REQUIREMENT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WOULD OPT TO NOT MAKE RESTROOMS AND HAND-WASHING STATIONS A REQUIREMENT FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK, EVEN ACCESS TO ONE? WELL, I THINK IF THEY I DON'T THINK I'D MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ONE, BECAUSE THEN YOU GOT THE SAME ISSUE, I MEAN, THEY COULD PUT PORTA-POTTIES THERE.
THE HAND-WASHING THING GETS COMPLICATED.
I THINK BOB MENTIONED SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT AND ONE OF OUR OTHER WORKSHOPS.
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YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED, WE COULD HAVE PORTA-POTTIES THERE.BUT I JUST HAVE A GROWING CONCERN ABOUT MAKING OUR OUR BUILDING A FOOD TRUCK PARK, YOU KNOW, A VIABLE BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW WE'RE DOING ALL THIS WITH ALL THIS WORK AND THEN NOBODY BUILDS IT.
WELL, IT COULD BE. INSTEAD OF A HAND-WASHING STATION, IT COULD BE A HAND SANITATION STATION. IT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE PURELL ON A POLE, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THE FOAMING THING ON A.
YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WHO ELSE HAS A THOUGHT ON RESTROOMS? YES, SIR. MR. BROWN. COMMISSIONER BROWN.
I AGREE, I AGREE WITH RUSTY, I THINK THE IDEA OF A FULL BLOWN TOILET AND A FULL BLOWN HAND-WASHING STATION INVOLVES A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF INSTALLING PLUMBING AND AND BRICK AND MORTAR CONTAINMENTS.
THAT'S JUST, I THINK, BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WOULD BE PRACTICAL.
OF COURSE, YOU CAN PUT IN A PORTA POTTY AND A PURELL STATION.
ANYBODY CAN DO THAT IF THEY WANT.
BUT I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK I WOULD GO ALONG RIGHT NOW ANYWAY WITH REQUIRING THE PLUMBING INVOLVED IN A TOILET AND A HAND-WASHING SINK.
I'D BE KIND OF INTERESTED IF DANIEL HAD SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN ANY OF HIS RESEARCH.
A REAL PLUMBING THAT ANY, ANY OTHER FOOD TRUCKS REQUIRE THAT THAT TYPE OF TOILETS AND HAND-WASHING THINGS. I HAD NOT LOOKED INTO THE HAND-WASHING THING, BUT AS FAR AS RESTROOM ACCESS, THEY WILL, TYPICALLY, IF THERE IS A REQUIREMENT, THEY WILL REQUIRE IT'S TO BE THE RESTROOM ACCESS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SO MANY FEET.
NOW, OFTENTIMES A FOOD TRUCK, ESPECIALLY OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S ON A LOT WHERE THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING BUSINESS THAT THOSE EXISTING BUSINESSES, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS HAVE RESTROOMS. AND OFTENTIMES, THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE FOOD TRUCK OWNER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL SPECIFY THAT HEY, EMPLOYEES AND OR CUSTOMERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THE RESTROOM IN THE STORE. SO A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S HOW IT'S HANDLED NOW.
I THINK THE TRANSITORY NATURE OF THIS TYPE OF OPERATION AND THE TRANSITORY NATURE OF THE CUSTOMERS USING IT.
I DON'T THINK REALLY DEMANDS THAT THAT TYPE OF PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
NO, I THINK THAT IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BUILD A REALLY NICE FOOD TRUCK PARK, THEY WILL HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE EIGHT OR SO FOOD TRUCKS, THEY WILL PROBABLY DO THIS AS A MATTER, OF COURSE.
BUT COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT AS TO, YOU KNOW, ANY IDEA, WHAT ARE YOU PSYCHIC? CAN YOU DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WHAT COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO SEE ON THIS? AND AT THIS POINT, DO YOU THINK THEY'LL BE FINE WITH NOT HAVING A RESTROOM REQUIREMENT IN WHAT WE SEND TO THEM? AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE KIND OF LOOKING THROUGH THESE REGULATIONS AND MAKING SOME REVISIONS IS TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR FOOD TRUCK [INAUDIBLE] MIGRATE TOWARDS A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
SO AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO TRY TO MAKE.
I THINK WHEN HE FREEZES, WE SHOULD ALL GO INTO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE FINE TO NOT HAVE RESTROOMS. OK, GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO ALL START DOING.
EVERY TIME YOU FREEZE, WE'RE GOING TO ALL START GOING.
SO, DANIEL, BEFORE WE SO COMMISSIONERS, LET'S DO A LET'S RAISE OUR DO A SHOW OF HANDS TO WE WILL AT THIS POINT NOT REQUIRE RESTROOMS OR HAND-WASHING STATIONS.
ARE WE COOL WITH THAT? RAISE YOUR HAND.
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EVERYBODY'S OK WITH THAT.WE'RE MISSING COMMISSIONER PEÑA, THOUGH AT THIS POINT.
SO IT'S ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE OF US.
SO WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
DANIEL, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, SIR, SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS AND TOPICS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO ANYTHING ELSE.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, DANIEL, TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT THE DISCUSSIONS YOU'VE HAD WITH MICHELLE AND THAT WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM HER.
SURE. SO ONE OF THE HOMEWORK ITEMS THAT STAFF WAS ASSIGNED THE LAST WORKSHOP WAS TO LOOK INTO WAYS TO ENCOURAGE FOOD TRUCK PARKS OVER INDIVIDUAL SITES.
YOU KNOW WHAT INCENTIVES? OR, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, DIS-INCENTIVES MAY BE AVAILABLE, AND THAT'S KIND OF A THAT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT.
WE DIDN'T QUITE FINISH THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT.
SO WHAT I HAVE DONE IS I HAVE ENLISTED MICHELLE HAY, WHO IS OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HELP GUIDE STAFF INTO WHAT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE TO PRESENT TO PLANNING COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE.
SO THAT'S A THAT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
AND I WILL POINT OUT AS AS COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI KIND OF MENTIONED THAT.
HOW THE REGULATIONS ARE FRAMED MAY BE SOMEWHAT OF AN INCENTIVE OR DISINCENTIVE TO.
SO JUST KIND OF REITERATE THAT THOUGHT FROM FROM COUNCILMAN LISTOWSKI.
BUT YEAH, THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH MICHELLE.
I INQUIRED IF SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THAT, AND SHE GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED TO ASSIST US. I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
DO Y'ALL MIND IF WE GO INTO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE? LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT.
KIND OF MOBILE FOOD TRUCKS USING A PUBLIC STREET OR RIGHT OF WAY.
AND DID DID WE AGREE THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT? DANIEL, IS THAT DID WE AGREE ON THAT OR DID WE ABANDON THAT IDEA? OH, YOU CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD WITH THAT QUESTION IT CAME BACK TO ME WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR NOTES AND I DON'T.
OF COURSE, I DON'T KNOW WHICH CITY THIS IS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT.
IT'S WHEN WE GOT INTO WHICHEVER CITY THIS WAS WHERE WE'RE ON SECTION 13-63, PROBABLY.
DAVID KNOWS EXACTLY WHICH CITY THAT IS SAN ANTONIO.
YEAH, YEP, I'M AT THAT SECTION RIGHT NOW.
MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS MAY STOP IN A PUBLIC STREET OR RIGHT OF WAY, PROVIDED THAT BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THAT I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE KIND OF WONDERED ABOUT IF WE CAN OPERATE FROM A CURB, A PUBLIC CURB.
AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, FROM A TRASH STANDPOINT.
WE SAID THAT IF THEY DID THAT, WE WOULD WANT THEM TO TAKE THEIR TRASH WITH THEM.
WE WOULD ONLY WANT THEM TO TO OPERATE FROM THE CURB SIDE OF THE VEHICLE.
THIS ONE SAYS FROM THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE OFF.
ALSO, THE MOBILE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT IS VENDING IN A SAFE MANNER, NOT IN OR WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN INTERSECTION.
DO YOU ALL HAVE A FEELING ABOUT THAT? CURRENTLY, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED, AND THIS IS AGAINST KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE VEIN OF GETTING EVERYBODY TO OPERATE WITHIN A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOW, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO SHELVE FOR NOW? OK, SO IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A NO FROM RUSTY, DAVID.
QUESTION IS THIS [INAUDIBLE] ARE YOU ASKING IF THIS SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE CURRENT LDRS? CORRECT. SO IF ADDED, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
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YES, YEAH. LET ME POINT OUT A FEW THINGS THAT MAY BE GERMANE TO THE DISCUSSION.FIRST OF ALL, HERE IN GALVESTON, THE STREETS WHERE THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE GOING TO MOST LIKELY WANTS TO BE.
THEY COULD NOT OPERATE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY PER STATE LAW, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL TXDOT ROADWAY, SEAWALL'S A TXDOT ROADWAY, 61ST IS BROADWAY IS, I THINK HARBORSIDE EVEN IS, PART OF FERRY ROAD IS SO THEY WOULD BE PRECLUDED TO A DEGREE JUST BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHY OF GALVESTON. REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE MIGHT ALLOW NOW, WOULD THAT GIVE THEM OTHER OPPORTUNITIES? OF COURSE, JUST POINTING THAT OUT.
SECOND, I CAN SAY THAT AS FAR AS ALLOWING OPERATIONS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, SAN ANTONIO IS KIND OF THE ANOMALY.
MOST CITIES REQUIRE THEM TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, EVEN IF THEY ARE MOBILE.
OK, SO THEN I NOTICED DOWN IN 11, IT SAID THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT. SO THE ONLY SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT WOULD BE LEFT.
DANIEL WOULD BE IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THEN PROBABLY THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT WOULD BE EXEMPT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE CLOSE ENOUGH TO OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO THAT THEY COULDN'T REALLY OPERATE NEAR THOSE ANYWAY.
SO WE JUST NEED TO TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE AND JEFFREY NEEDS TO GET OVER THAT RIGHT? WELL, THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE.
BUT I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT I BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY MARSHALL BUTCH STRAT WAS AROUND FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM AND CONVERSATION, AND HE EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ALLOWING OPERATIONS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL.
THAT THAT THAT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY TO ICE CREAM TRUCKS, RIGHT? YEAH, NOTHING APPLIES TO ITS.
NO, IT'S [INAUDIBLE] THE DOOR ON ICE CREAM TRUCKS.
THEY'RE THE EXCEPTION TO EVERYTHING.
WELL, THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS CAN USE THOSE STATE ROADS TO TRANSIT, BUT THEY STILL CAN'T STOP ON THEM, EVEN.
YEAH. ONCE AGAIN, FOR STATE LAW, STATE LAW PRECLUDES ANY SUCH OPERATIONS LIKE THAT, WHETHER IT BE A FOOD TRUCK OR AN ICE CREAM TRUCK ON TXDOT HIGHWAYS.
OK. THEY CAN DO IT ON CITY ROADS, BUT NOT TEXAS TXDOT? CORRECT.
DANIEL, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THIS IF NOT ON JANUARY 4TH AND WE WILL ON FEBRUARY.
DO YOU? I WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AT LEAST FIVE MINUTES TO TO GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE OR WHATEVER BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR OTHER MEETING.
SO WHAT ELSE DO YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT TO COVER TODAY BEFORE WE TAKE A LITTLE BREAK? WELL, COULD I GET A KIND OF VOTES NOT THE CORRECT TERM, BUT A DECISION ON THE OPERATIONS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY? REAL FAST? YES OR NO? I'M THE ONE WHO THREW THAT OUT THERE, AND I'LL TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE.
I THOUGHT YOU COULD SAY, COULD I GET A WHAT? WHAT? OK, SO GO AHEAD.
SO, OK, I'LL TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE.
I DO WANT TO DO A VERY QUICK UPDATE FOR SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAD MENTIONED.
SHE HAD MENTIONED THE BIG GENERATORS NEAR DOWNTOWN HOUSTON AT A CERTAIN LOCATION, AND SHE HAD ASKED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW IS THAT ALLOWED OR IF THERE ARE A NUISANCE ISSUES.
ONCE AGAIN, COMMISSIONER EDWARDS, WHERE STAFF IS STILL LOOKING INTO THAT, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON WHO COULD ACTUALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THANKS.
THANK YOU. AND ONE THING THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOME HOMEWORK. ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HAMMER THROUGH, IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEW THAT ARE REALLY LEFT.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WORKED THROUGH AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS HOW ARE THESE TEMPORARY PERMITS REALLY GOING TO WORK AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT WILL WE REQUIRE FOR A TEMPORARY PERMIT, WHAT THE FEES MIGHT BE LIKE OR YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT CHARGE FOR THOSE, HOW LONG THEY MAY BE FOR? THERE IS AN ATTACHMENT IN THE MEMO ATTACHMENT D WHERE WE SUMMARIZE THE WAY SOME OTHER PLACES DO IT FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
SO I THINK THAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US FIGURE THAT OUT AND DELVE INTO THAT AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP.
AND I THINK THAT WE COULD BE FINE WITH THE WHAT WILL THEY LOOK LIKE, BUT I THINK THAT Y'ALL KIND OF TOLD US TO KEEP OUR HANDS OFF THE FEET QUESTION, HADN'T YOU?
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WE CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I NOTICE IS VERY INTERESTING. I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION THAT PLANNING COMMISSION COULD COULD GIVE US SOME INSIGHT INTO IS, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THE LONGER A TEMPORARY PERMIT IS FOR THE CHEAPER IT IS PER DAY.HOWEVER, TRAVIS COUNTY DOES IT THE OPPOSITE.
THE LONGER YOU'RE THERE, THE MORE THE FEE IS PER DAY, SO YOU CAN I THINK COMMISSION COULD DEFINITELY GIVE US SOME, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT PART AT LEAST.
AND THEN, YES, STAFF CAN KIND OF DELVE INTO THE EXACT NUMBERS.
ALL RIGHTY, WELL, LET'S TAKE A LITTLE EIGHT MINUTE BREAK, COMMISSIONERS, EVERYBODY COME BACK. WE'VE GOT SOME INTERESTING CASES AHEAD OF US.
SO EVERYBODY EAT YOUR WHEATIES, GRAB A CUP OF COFFEE AND WE'LL BE BACK IN EIGHT MINUTES.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.