[Landmark Commission on December 6, 2021.]
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I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE LANDMARK COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING TODAY IS MONDAY, DECEMBER 6TH, 2021 AND THE TIME IS 4:21.WE ARE GOING TO START WITH ATTENDANCE.
COMMISSIONER ALBERTA COMMISSIONER CLICK, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER KERSTING PRESENT.
WAITING ON COMMISSIONER LANG, COMMISSIONER MCLEAN, PRESENT.
CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER SWANSON, PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER, WOOD. WELL, CLYDE WAS WITH US EARLIER, SO WE'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IF HE SIGNS BACK IN.
AND THEN STAFF IN PERSON ARE MYSELF, CATHERINE GORMAN, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER AND PLANNING TECH, PATRICK COLLINS ON THE PHONE.
WE HAVE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TIM TIETJENS AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY DONNA FAIRWEATHER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? NO. OK.
I ASSUME EVERYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE MINUTES PROOF THEM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES THAT THEY SEE? NO CHANGES.
OK. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE START, WE WERE HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE IN THE ROOM, SO HOPEFULLY THOSE ARE BEHIND US.
OUR STANDARD REMINDERS ARE THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU WATCH THE MEETING IN GALLERY VIEW ENABLES YOU TO SEE ALL OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS AT THE SAME TIME, AND IT'S HOW IT'S SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC. WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP YOUR MICROPHONE MUTED UNLESS YOU'RE SPEAKING TO CUT DOWN A BACKGROUND NOISE. WE ALSO ASK THAT YOU PHYSICALLY RAISE YOUR HAND TO GET THE CHAIR'S ATTENTION BEFORE SPEAKING OR MAKING A MOTION FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
ON THE CALL WE'LL ASK THAT YOU USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. OK, CATHERINE, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON AGENDA NON AGENDA ITEMS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED.
OK, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON.
WE HAVE A CONSENT AGENDA JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE FIRST ONE, THE SECOND ONE, AND THEN WE'LL APPROVE THE TWO TOGETHER UNLESS SOMEONE HAS PULLED SOMETHING FROM.
SO THE FIRST ONE ON THE AGENDA IS 21LC-065.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR VERIFICATION AT 1809 AVENUE M.
STAFF. OH, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE DON'T DO THE STAFF REPORT.
AND LIKE I ANNOUNCED EARLIER, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE TO DO THE POWERPOINT UNFORTUNATELY. 1809 AVENUE M IS REQUEST FOR VERIFICATION AS A PARTICIPANT IN THE SUBSTANTIAL REHABILITATION FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM.
OK. AND THE NEXT CASE IS 21LC-066.
IT IS 1021 SEALY AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON EITHER OF THESE TWO CASES? NO. SEEING NONE.
DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WANT ONE OF THESE CASES PULLED AND HANDLED IN A TRADITIONAL AGENDA ITEM? NO, OK, AT THIS POINT, I WILL ASK SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SHARON. SHE'S MUTED.
I BELIEVE SHARON IS MAKING THE MOTION, WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO SECOND THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT, SARAH? I'LL SECOND IT, SARAH SECONDED.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE. AND I'LL MOVE FOR A VOTE.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
PATRICK WILL DO THE VOICE VOTE AND JUST TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER KERSTING WILL BE VOTING TODAY. COMMISSIONER CLICK IN FAVOR.
CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON IN FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON IN FAVOR.
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COMMISSIONER SWANSON IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER KERSTING IN FAVOR.ALL IN FAVOR, THE MOTION PASSES.
GREAT, MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE HAVE A CASE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THIS IS THE LAST CASE OF THE YEAR.
3605 AVENUE R, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, INCLUDING A REAR EDITION.
ZERO RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO REMOVE AN EXISTING REAR TWO STORY PORCH, REMOVE EXISTING DOORS AND WINDOWS AT ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS, CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION THAT CONNECTS THE MAIN HOUSE TO THE REAR GARAGE APARTMENT, CONSTRUCT A NEW DECK AND RECONFIGURE THE STAIRS TO THE GARAGE APARTMENT AND RELOCATE AN EXISTING WINDOW.
PLEASE NOTE THE MATERIALS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, ALONG WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
CONFORMANCE STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES. THE MODIFICATIONS ARE IN LOCATION D, NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE REAR FAÇADE.
MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT MAY BE CONSIDERED, ESPECIALLY FOR COMPATIBLE, REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATION THAT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
ALL MODIFICATIONS ARE LOCATED AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY AND WILL NOT.
I'M SORRY I SHOULD, IT SAYS, WILL BE EASILY VISIBLE FROM ANY RIGHT OF WAY AND THAT SHOULD READ WILL NOT BE EASILY VISIBLE FROM ANY RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ADDITION IS LOW SKILLED, LOWER SKILLED THAN BOTH THE MAIN AND REAR STRUCTURES AND WILL BE DIFFERENTIATED BY VERTICAL BATTENS AT THE ENDS.
THE RAILING ON THE GARAGE APARTMENT STRUCTURE IS A MORE MODERN DECK CONFIGURATION IN WHICH VERTICAL ELEMENTS ARE APPLIED TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE HORIZONTAL ELEMENTS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT ALL NEW RAILINGS BE IN THE MORE TRADITIONAL CONFIGURATION SHOWN IN ATTACHMENT B OF YOUR STAFF REPORT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SPECIFIC CONDITION ONE. THE APPLICANT SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN, MATERIAL AND PLACEMENT SHOWN IN ATTACHMENT A. OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS A, THE NEW RAILINGS SHALL MATCH THE DESIGN SHOWN IN ATTACHMENT B.
AND ITEMS TWO, THREE, SIX ARE STANDARD AND THAT PRECLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.
OK? IS DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT THIS WAS A STUNNING PROPERTY.
IT'S AND BEAUTIFULLY DECORATED FOR CHRISTMAS, JUST STUNNING.
IT'S NOT JUST A REMINDER, IT'S NOT AN HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT IS A CITY LANDMARK.
SO, OK, ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS MR. HARDY AND MR. LEDGER PRESENT? LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE HERE ON THE CALL.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND I'LL ACTIVATE THEM.
OK, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNMUTE YOURSELVES ON YOUR END AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
HI YES, MA'AM. MR. HARDY'S HERE AND MR. LEDGER HERE AS WELL.
THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
WE REALLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT TECHNICAL PROBLEM.
TELL US ABOUT YOUR BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY.
WELL, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD COMPLETELY REFURBISHED THE PROPERTY.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS I SPENT ALL DAY TWO SATURDAYS AGO GETTING THAT DONE.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS A JOYFUL TIME FOR ME CHRISTMAS IS DEFINITELY MY FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR, SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING A LARGER LIVING ROOM ON THE BACK TO ATTACH THE GARAGE STRUCTURE TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO WE ARE ARE DEDICATED TO MAKING SURE THAT IT ADHERES TO THE THE FEEL AND THE LOOK AND EVERYTHING OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND WE HAVE MADE THAT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR TO OUR CONTRACTOR, SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.
YEAH, THE THE DETAILS CERTAINLY DO REFLECT THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNERS? NO. NO QUESTIONS.
OK. ALL RIGHT, [INAUDIBLE] ARE WE GOING TO GET INVITED TO SEE THE FINAL RESULTS? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS CASE? NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE CALL WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM THEY CAN USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION.
OK, WELL, I'M GOING TO BRING IT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMISSION AND ASK FOR A MOTION ON CASE 21LC-067, 3605 AVENUE R FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SARAH.
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I RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE CASE 21LC-067 WITH STAFFS RECOMMENDATION OF THE NEW TRADITIONAL RAILING DESIGN, NEED A SECOND.NONE. SEEING, NONE, WE'RE ALL READY FOR A VOTE.
CHAIRPERSON PATTERSON IN FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER STETZEL-THOMPSON IN FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER SWANSON IN FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER KERSTING IN FAVOR.
ALL IN FAVOR, THE MOTION PASSES.
SO HAVING GONE THROUGH THIS LAST MEETING HERE ON THE DISCUSSION ITEM, DOUG, YOU PUT ON THERE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CEMENTITIOUS FIBER BOARD, ARE YOU WANTING TO HAVE THAT TODAY OR DO YOU WANT TO DEFER IT? WE CAN DEFER THAT TILL THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
I WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE MYSELF, AND I'M NOT SURE BUT DOES STAFF HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, REINFORCE OUR OPINIONS WITH? THAT'S SORT OF LIKE TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON IT? SURE. YEAH, WE'VE WORKED WITH ADDITIONS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION USING CEMENTITIOUS FIBER BOARD, WHICH IS THE SORT OF GENERIC NAME FOR WHAT'S MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS HARDY BOARD FOR MANY YEARS AND FOUND THAT IT HOLDS UP VERY WELL.
COMMISSIONER KERSTING IS A BUILDING SPECIALIST AND HAS OFFERED TO GIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE TOPIC AS WELL.
SO DO YOU THINK IN THE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION? WE HAVEN'T SCHEDULED FOR OH, I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ONE MORE THIS YEAR, BUT THAT IS WRONG.
SO YES, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR JANUARY.
OK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING FOR DISCUSSION, DAVID? NO, NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.
I DO HAVE COMMENT WHEN YOU'RE DONE WITH THE AGENDA.
OK? IS THERE ANYTHING, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANY COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AT OUR NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY? ONE THING I'D LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF MAYBE CLARIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC'S POINT FROM THEIR EDUCATION IS TO HOW THEY CAN GET TAX BREAKS ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HISTORIC DISTRICT OR [INAUDIBLE] DESIGNATED HISTORIC PROPERTY.
AND MAYBE THERE WAS SOME CLARIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC OF THOSE TWO DETAILS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY.
YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TALK ABOUT THAT.
OK? SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG, BUT I THINK THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THAT.
OK. ANYTHING ELSE? OK, WELL, BEFORE I ADJOURN THIS MEETING, I'D LIKE TO ASK DAVID, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. CATHERINE, I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT WE NOT MARK COMMISSIONER LANG OR COMMISSIONER WOOD ABSENT FROM THIS MEETING.
I DON'T BELIEVE EITHER OF THEM WERE ABLE TO GET IN AFTER OUR TECHNICAL GLITCHES THERE.
ABSOLUTELY. YES, I AGREE IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO MARK THEM ABSENT.
WELL, THAT FINISHES OUR MEETINGS FOR THIS YEAR.
I'D LIKE TO WISH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS, AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
SAME TO ALL OF YOU
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.