>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, [00:00:02] IT IS 9:00 AM. I'M OFFICIALLY CALLING THE WORKSHOP FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF GALVESTON TO ORDER FOR NOVEMBER 18TH. [Call to Order ] WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE, WELCOME COUNCIL, WELCOME THOSE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY AND STAFF. TO THOSE THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING TO THIS MEETING IN THE COMMUNITY, GLAD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THIS MORNING. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AS I MENTIONED, BUT LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. >> MAYOR BROWN. >> PRESENT. >> MAYOR DAVID COLLINS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SCHUSTER. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER QUIROGA. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER LISTOWSKI. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ROB. >> PRESENT. >> WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, AND ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS, JUST SOME HOUSEKEEPING CHORES ON THAT. [3.A. Clarification Of Consent And Regular City Council Agenda Items - This Is An Opportunity For City Council To Ask Questions Of Staff On Consent And Regular Agenda Items (20 Minutes) ] FIRST OF ALL, BRIAN IS ATTENDING THE SAN JACINTO REGIONAL PLANNING BOARD MEETING THIS MORNING AND HE MIGHT JOIN US A LITTLE LATER THIS MORNING, BUT WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE DAN BUCKLEY OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WITH US, THANK YOU, DAN, FOR BEING HERE. >> MORNING HERE. >> ALSO, COUNCIL, ITEM 3B, IS EMBODIED, WILL BE DEFERRED. IT WILL PROBABLY BE ON OUR DECEMBER 9TH AGENDA THAT IS THE LIBRARY MOU. STILL WORKING ON THAT AND GETTING SOME FINAL TOUCHES ON THAT WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT COMING UP HERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. VERY GOOD, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3A PLEASE, YES, SIR. >> CAN WE GO AHEAD AND ELIMINATE 3E? >> 3E? YES, SIR, WE SURE CAN. YOU WANT TO DEFER THAT OR JUST TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA? >> LET'S JUST TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA. >> ALL RIGHT, IT SOUNDS GREAT. WE HAVE REMOVED ITEM, WELL, 3G,E IS THAT CORRECT BILL? >> 3G, NO, THAT'S 3E. >> 3E, OH YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT? I AM SORRY. OKAY, YES WE'LL REMOVE THAT OFF THE AGENDA. ITEM 3E FOR THE PUBLIC. >> 3G, C. >> OKAY, COUNCIL QUIROGA WHO HAS BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, ITEM 3E FOR PUBLIC [OVERLAPPING]. >> KEEP GOING [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE'RE ON A ROW. >> NO. >> 3E HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR THOSE WATCHING THE MEETING AND IN ATTENDANCE, AND ITEM 3G,C HAS BEEN REMOVED. OKAY, VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO 3A PLEASE, JANELLE. >> ITEM 3A, CLARIFICATION AND CONSENT AND [NOISE] RECORD OF CITY COUNCIL AGENDA ITEMS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY COUNCIL TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF ON CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. >> COUNCIL WOMAN LEWIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THIS OFF, PLEASE MA'AM? >> IT HAS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. >> OKAY. >> SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, [LAUGHTER]. >> ANYTHING [OVERLAPPING] >> SO I AM GOING TO PASS. [LAUGHTER] >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MURRAY? >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, I GUESS 9B. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT FALLS UNDER 10A. >> WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? >> 9B. >> 9B. [OVERLAPPING] >> I BELIEVE IT TO BE THE RDA. AS I READ THROUGH THE RESTATED CERTIFICATE OF FORMATION, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME. ONE BEING THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL, DESIGNATE EACH PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD. THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT EVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND I'M CURIOUS WHY WE'RE DOING IT NOW. >> BEVERLY WEST, WHO'S BEEN HANDLING THIS BEVERLY. >> HI. >> HI. >> WE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE LAST WORKSHOP THAT THE RDA ALREADY HAD THE APPOINTMENT OF THE PRESIDENT BY THE CITY COUNCIL, AND BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T- [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? THE ORIENTATION DAY? >> I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY BEEN IN THE '90S. >> THEY WOULD SEND A FORM LIKE A BIBLE IS CORRECT. >> NO, ITS IN THE ARTICLES. >> ALL RIGHT. >> IT'S BEEN IN THE ARTICLES SINCE- [OVERLAPPING]. >> BUT THE COUNCIL HASN'T. >> YES, YOU DID APPOINT MANLOVE AS THE PRESIDENT. >> ACTUALLY THE BOARD PICKED MANLOVE I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. >> WELL, WE DID IT BACKWARDS. >> BUT I MEAN THAT THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS WERE NOT APPOINTED BY THE COUNCIL. [00:05:06] THIS WASN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL BECAUSE I KNOW I WAS ON COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY AND WE DID NOT APPOINT THE PRESIDENT. I TALKED TO PAST MEMBERS AS WELL AS CURRENT MEMBERS, AND IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED, WHAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND IT? >> I DO NOT KNOW WHY COUNCIL CHOSE TO PUT THAT IN THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION. >> SO IT WAS PREVIOUSLY THERE BUT NOT PRACTICED? >> RIGHT, BUT I MEAN, TO ME, IT SEEMS BECAUSE THE RDA TAKE THE GLAZE LIKE A SEPARATE BODY FROM THE CITY, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW IT FUNCTIONS, AND NO CITIES. >> IT'S A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION. >> RIGHT, TO ME THAT HINDERS IT HAVING THE COUNCIL PICK THE PRESIDENT. >> WELL, ACTUALLY SINCE YOU-ALL HAVE JOINED ONE BOARD FOR ALL THREE OF THESE ENTITIES, YOU EITHER NEED TO HAVE [OVERLAPPING] EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION, THE HOUSING, THE FINANCE, PROPERTY FINANCE, AND THE RDA DO THE SAME THING AND PICK THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SEVEN MEMBERS OF THESE THREE ORGANIZATIONS. [OVERLAPPING]. >> RIGHT. WE NEED THE SAME PRESIDENT. >> OR YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE RDA ARTICLES AND NOT PICK THE PRESIDENT. >> ALL RIGHT BEVERLY, I THINK WHAT COUNCIL WOMAN LEWIS IS ASKING TOO, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO DO, WE HAVE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TODAY. CAN WE DO THAT WITH THOSE ITEMS TO CHANGE THAT? >> YES, YOU CAN PASS THAT IN YOUR MOTION, AMEND THE ARTICLES TO REMOVE PICKING THE PRESIDENT. >> IN MY MIND WE HAVE, I THINK TWO OR THREE ITEMS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN EACH ONE OF THOSE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE ALL THREE OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, BUT ONE OF THEM IS AN ORDINANCE, THE OTHER TWO ARE RESOLUTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, DAVID. >> CAN WE GET ADDRESS ON ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME? THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD- [OVERLAPPING]. >> WELL, EXCUSE ME MURRAY. [OVERLAPPING]. >> YOU'RE STILL HANG ON WITH RDA SO THAT WE HAVE[OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, IN THE CERTIFICATE AND THE BY-LAWS WE LIST THE MEMBERS AND I KNOW THAT'S PART OF STANDARD PRACTICE, BUT THREE HAVE ALREADY RESIGNED. SO ISN'T THAT KRISTEN TO BE APPROVING AND DOCUMENT WHEN NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER IN THAT POSITION. >> I WOULD AGREE, YOU'VE AND TRYING TO PASS THESE ARTICLES FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW SINCE BEFORE I STARTED IN APRIL DURING THE PANDEMIC. YOU COULD WAIT ON THIS UNTIL YOU'VE PICKED YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THESE ARE JUST YOUR ARTICLES, SO YOU CAN FOLLOW THESE ARTICLES AGAIN LATER. >> YOU CAN'T JUST PUT VACANT POSITION, VACANT POSITION VERSUS [OVERLAPPING] AND THEN FILL IT IN VERSUS APPROVING A BRAND NEW ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION WITH A BAND LIST. >> WELL, ESSENTIALLY IN YOUR ARTICLES AND YOUR BY-LAWS, IF YOU RESIGN, YOU'RE IN A HOLDOVER POSITION. >> CORRECT. >> SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS UNTIL YOU REPLACE THEM ARE STILL YOUR MEMBERS. >> OKAY. IF I COULD GET YOUR ATTENTION[OVERLAPPING] >> PUTTING A LINE AS VACANT, WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS DIFFICULTY GETTING ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION APPROVED BY THE SECRETARY OF STATE. ALSO NELSON HAS HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE WITH THE IDC ARTICLES. [NOISE] I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE SECRETARY OF STATE A REASON TO REJECT THEM, AND I SUGGEST PUTTING A VACANT IN THAT NAME OF DIRECTORS, IS INVITING THEM TO DISAPPROVE. >> BUT WE ALSO HAVE APPOINTMENTS, AND THE MAYOR SAID HE HAD SOME APPLICANTS, I HAVE AN APPLICANT. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY FILL ALL THREE [OVERLAPPING] POSITIONS TODAY. THEN IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DEFER THIS TO OUR NEXT MEETING. >> YOU WOULD NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE PUT IN THE AGENDA ITEM OR IN THE ARTICLES AND THE RESOLUTION IS THAT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN MAKE MINISTERIAL CHANGES, AND IF YOU ALL WERE TO PICK THREE NEW MEMBERS TODAY, WE COULD JUST MAKE THAT CHANGE. YOU CAN EVEN PUT THAT IN YOUR MOTION. >> OKAY, [OVERLAPPING] WHAT WAS PUT INTO THE ARTICLE? >> I'M SORRY? >> WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY WAS ADDED TO THE ARTICLE? >> NO. IN THE ACTUAL AGENDA LANGUAGE, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO LET THE CITY ATTORNEY MAKE CHANGES AFTER YOU'VE PASSED THE ORDINATES OR THE RESOLUTION. IF YOU PICK INDIVIDUALS, [OVERLAPPING] >> IF THEY'RE APPROVED BY COUNCIL? [00:10:01] >> IF THEY'RE APPROVED BY COUNCIL TODAY, I'LL MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND CORRECT THE MEMBERS. >> OKAY. >> WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE MOTION? [OVERLAPPING] >> CORRECT. >> MY QUESTION GOES TO YOU JOHN ABOUT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS PAST RESOLUTION, THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR HOW LONG NOW? >> TWO YEARS. >> I NEED TO SEE THIS DEFERRED OR MODIFIED IN ANY SIGNIFICANT WAY BEFORE IT WILL TRIGGER ANOTHER REJECTION. I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION ABOUT APPOINTING THE PRESIDENT, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE RETAIN CONTROL OVER OF OVERVIEWS OF CORPORATIONS. [OVERLAPPING]. >> I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. >> WELL, I MEAN SHOULD THEY BE? ANYTHING ELSE MARY? >> NO. >> VERY GOOD. BILL? >> OH, MY TURN. I WANTED TO BRING UP 9A, I JUST NEED SOME CLARIFICATION, I DID GET IT. I READ IT BUT, LET'S GO ON AND TALK ABOUT THE SOFTWARE ON THIS. THE $50 IS JUST GOING TO BE FOR A YEAR, CORRECT? >> [INAUDIBLE] PER YEAR? >> IT'S PER YEAR. >> PER YEAR. >> WE HAVEN'T DECIDED IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD SOME FEE ON TOP OF THAT. REMEMBER, IT WAS $50 AND WE JUST SAID INSTEAD OF ONE TIME ITS ANNUAL. WE CHOSE AT THE TIME NOT TO MESS WITH THE FEE. >> WAS ORIGINALLY $50 IF YOU WERE A NEW PERSON REGISTERING. WHAT WE CHANGED IS, WE'VE MADE IT $50 FOR ANYONE THAT HAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THEY WOULD HAVE TO RE-REGISTER, PAY THE $50 ANNUAL FEE EVERY YEAR. IT EXPIRES ON DECEMBER 31ST. >> THEN IT GOES BACK TO COUNCIL. >> NO. >> NO. >> NO, THEY HAVE MEMBERSHIP. BUT WE WILL BE ADDING OTHER FEES ONTO THIS ONCE WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE AND A MORE MATURE SYSTEM THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT. >> DOES IT NEED TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE DAWN? WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, THIS $50 IS WAY TOO SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A FEE. >> YOU HAVE ALL DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE? YES. THERE IS SOME DISCORD ABOUT THE AMOUNT. BUT, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THE DIRECTION YOU HAD CHOSEN WAS TO KEEP IT AT 50 AND WHEN YOU HAD MORE DATA, YOU WOULD REVISIT THAT NUMBER. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> REVISIT THAT? SO THAT WILL BE DONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR OF 2020 IN DECEMBER. >> IT CAN BE DONE ANY TIME BILL. >> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT. >> IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL PROBABLY IMPLEMENT IN THE FIRST QUARTER, IN MY PERFECT WORLD. >> PERFECT WORLD? >> I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON THIS BECAUSE, $50 IS WAY TOO SMALL. >> EVERYBODY INCLUDED? >> I THINK WE AGREE ON THAT. THIS WAS JUST TO GET THIS INTO PLACE. >> THIS WAS TO GET SOMETHING THAT GENERATED INCOME TO CREATE A GOOD DATABASE BECAUSE, [OVERLAPPING] AND TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE SOFTWARE. >> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? >> 9J AND 10, I THINK THAT'S MR. SMITH. >> YOU MEAN 10J? >> 10J. 10J AND 10K. 10J AND K. >> DAVID ON THIS, WE GOT A COST OF A 130,000 THIS IS FOR, BASICALLY, A FRONT-END LOADER. >> A BACKHOE, YES. >> A BACKHOE. YOU'RE GETTING THE MONEY FROM THE WATER DISTRICT? >> YES. >> THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW THERE. >> NOW, THE NEXT ONE IS [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] IS ALL THE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE BUYING FOR THE POLICE, THE MARSHALL AND THE PARKING? >> YES. >> YOU GOT A TOTAL OF $701,000? >> YES, I SEE. >> WE HAVE THESE FUNDS COMING. WHAT DOES THE VRP STAND FOR? >> VEHICLE REPLACEMENT POLICY. >> VEHICLE REPLACEMENT POLICY AND THE MONIES ARE COMING FROM? >> IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION, THE GENERAL FUND HAS A BULK OF MONEY FOR VEHICLE REPLACEMENT AND THAT IS GOING TO REPLACE THE 10 POLICE UNITS ON THERE. THERE ARE TWO OR THREE OTHER VEHICLES. ONE OF THEM, THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT POLICY IS GOING TO REPLACE ONE OF THOSE, THE OTHER TWO ARE BRAND NEW ONES FOR THE MARSHALL'S OFFICE. >> ARE THEY REPLACEMENT VEHICLES? >> THEY ARE ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY REPLACEMENT VEHICLES. >> THE COST OF THE VEHICLES I'M LOOKING AT, TO ME, EXTREMELY HIGH. THERE'S NOT OTHER VEHICLES WE CAN USE TO GET AT A LOWER COST. WHY GET A FORD, IF WE GET A CHEVROLET OR A DODGE? >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. IN REFERENCE TO THE POLICE VEHICLES, WE HAVE A SELECTION. [NOISE] A POLICE TAHOE, THE POLICE FORD EXPLORER AND THE POLICE 150. THOSE ARE THE THREE POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLES THAT ARE NOW AVAILABLE. THEN ONES I CAN GET THE QUICKEST, WILL BE THE F150S. [00:15:02] IF YOU RUN OUR F150, TO RUN COST PER MILE, IT'S BASICALLY 25 CENTS PER MILE. AS COMPARED TO A TAHOE, WHICH IS 40 CENTS PER MILE, AS COMPARED TO A FORD EXPLORER, WHICH IS 33 CENTS PER MILE >> WHAT'S THE COST? >> THE COST OF THE VEHICLE? >> THE COST OF THE VEHICLE VERSUS ANOTHER VEHICLE. I MEAN IF THEY ARE READY CAN GET NOW AT THIS AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. >> THE TAHOES ARE BASICALLY ABOUT THE SAME PRICE AS F150. THE EXPLORERS ARE ABOUT TWO TO THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS CHEAPER, WE CAN GET THOSE AS QUICK. >> DO WE HAVE TO GET AN EXPLORER, CAN WE GET SOMETHING SMALLER THAN AN EXPLORER? >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING POLICE PATROL VEHICLES AND IN REFERENCE TO THE MARSHALL'S OFFICE, YOU WILL NEED SOME TYPE OF POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLES. MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE COOLING PACKAGE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SLOW MOVEMENT, A LOT OF IDLE TIME, AND THE POLICE PACKAGE VEHICLES, WHETHER IT BE A TAHOE, EXPLORER OR AN F150, HAS A BEEFED-UP COOLING SYSTEM, BEEFED-UP SEATS, BEEFED-UP SUSPENSION, A LITTLE BIT MORE POWER ON IT, DELIVERS WELL. >> I DON'T KNOW. YOU CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION, YOU MAY. LAST TIME I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, THE CITY MANAGER HAD A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A VEHICLE COST OVERLAY. WHY AREN'T WE USING THAT MONEY? >> THAT IS THIS MONEY, VEHICLE REPLACEMENT IS [INAUDIBLE]. WHEN WE LOOK IN THE BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS PLACED IN THAT AREA, BUT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE GENERAL FUND VEHICLE CAPITAL OUTLAY ACCOUNT, WHICH IS ONE MILLION DOLLARS. >> ARE WE GOING TO TRANSFER THAT [NOISE] OUT OF THIS DEPARTMENT INTO THESE ACCOUNTS? >> I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME ACCOUNT, SIR. >> IT IS THE SAME ACCOUNT? >> YES. >> IT IS. >> IT IS THE SAME ACCOUNT, [INAUDIBLE]? >> YES SIR. >> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'RE USING, IT'S A COMPANY THAT IS SO BIG? >> YES MA'AM. >> DID WE GET A QUOTE FROM CLASSIC? AND THEN I'D LIKE TO SEE US [OVERLAPPING] >> IN THE PAST, WE HAVE BID OUT PACKAGES. IN FACT, I'M NOT GOING TO LIST ANY OTHER VENDORS, BUT THERE WAS A GROUP OF PICKUP TRUCKS THAT WERE PURCHASED BY LOCAL VENDORS, SHALL WE SAY? NOT NECESSARILY CLASSY. WE PURPOSELY WENT OUT FOR A BID ON THOSE, WE GOT NO RESPONSES. WE HAD ONE LOCAL RESPONSE FROM GALVESTON COUNTY OF WHICH THAT WAS GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE]. WHEN YOU BUY THESE BIG, FLEET PACKAGES, SALES BEFORE, CALDWELL, THEY'RE THE BIG ONES, THEY DEAL WITH FLEET. IF YOU GO TO SALES BEFORE THEY HAVE AN AIRFIELD FULL OF VEHICLES. SAME THING WITH CALDWELL, THEY'VE BEEN THE MAIN ONES BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES MA'AM. WE BID THEM OUT IN THE PAST HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY RESPONSE FROM THE LOCAL [OVERLAPPING] >> RIGHT NOW. WE'VE JUST CAN'T GET VEHICLES. >> RIGHT, AND I KNOW THAT BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AS OFTEN AS WE CAN BUY THEM, WE WILL BUY THEM. >> WE TRY, WE TRULY TRY AND THEY JUST DON'T. >> ARE THEY ANSWERED? >> THANK YOU, DAVID [OVERLAPPING] >> 10L. >> 10L. >> YOUR QUESTION HERE? >> NO, HE'S NOT IN. I'LL TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS PROJECT GOT STARTED. >> GOT IT. >> BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE, THE HISTORY OF IT. >> YES. [LAUGHTER]. >> THIS IS NOT THE IDC PROJECT [OVERLAPPING]. >> I KNOW THAT ITS NOT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS GOT STARTED. THE IDC PROJECT, I'LL ADDRESS THAT LATER. >> THIS IS LIBERAL COMMUNITIES. >> IT IS. IT'S WHAT LIBERAL COMMUNITIES AND THROUGH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE PUT IN, TREE WELLS WERE PUT IN AS PART OF PROJECT. THIS IS INSTALLING THE TREES AND THE WATERING FOR THE TREES. >> WHO SUGGESTED WE DO THAT? WHAT WAS THE CATALYST TO START THIS PROJECT? >> COUNCIL. IT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL. >> LIBERAL COMMUNITIES WAS APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO. >> THAT WAS A VERY GOODMAN DEAL BROUGHT TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON USING TRANSIT GRANT. GOSH, IT WAS [OVERLAPPING]. >> AS AN OPERATION AND THERE HAVE BEEN TWO LCI PROGRAMS. LCI 1, LCI 2. THE PURPOSE WAS/IS TO CREATE A BETTER ATMOSPHERE AROUND BASICALLY, BUS STOP LOCATIONS, WHICH THAT [NOISE] WAS EXPANDED INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I'M NOT ON THIS PROJECT, BUT I'VE DEALT WITH IT IN THE PAST. THERE'S SOME FUNDS IN LCI 2, IF WE WANT TO USE UP FOR THE TREES. IT'S MAINLY [INAUDIBLE] GREENS. >> MAY I INTERJECT, IS THIS THE END OF THIS? >> YES. >> THIS IS THE LAST THING IN THIS LCI TRAIN BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A DECADE AT A MINIMUM. >> LONGER THAN, I BELIEVE? >> [LAUGHTER] WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON GETTING THE TREES? >> I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT I KNOW THAT FTA HAS BEEN GENEROUS IN EXPANDING THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING ON WAY TOO LONG. >> THEY'RE AVAILABLE, TO A LOCAL VENDOR. [OVERLAPPING] TREES ARE AVAILABLE, [INAUDIBLE]. WE WENT WITH THE WATERING OPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE A WARRANTY. THEY WATER THEM FOR A YEAR. >> YOU DON'T WANT A DISASTER LIKE [INAUDIBLE] TREE? >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE PALM TREES YOU READ ABOUT IN THE PAPERS THIS MORNING, RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] WE'RE GETTING BLAMED. >> ALL THIS, EVERY BIT OF THIS IS GRANT MONEY. >> NO. >> WHAT'S NOT GRANT MONEY? >> THESE TREES AREN'T GRANT MONEY. >> THESE TREES. THEN WE PUT THEM OUT FOR BID. >> WE DID. [00:20:02] >> THE PLANTING OF THE TREES THAT CAN BE DONE BY CONTRACT. >> EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE DONE BY THE CONTRACT. >> LET ME ASK YOU, WE'VE GOT A PARKS DEPARTMENT. WHY CAN'T THEY DO IT TO CUT DOWN THE COST? >> THEY WERE WARRANTED. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WARRANT THE TREES IF THEY DON'T PLAN THEM PROPERLY, WATER THEM. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE BRINGING A WARRANTY. >> I TELL YOU WHAT. IT FLOODS SO MUCH DOWNTOWN, PROBABLY WON'T LAST ANYWAY. >> I DON'T HOPE THAT'S THE CASE. >> I HOPE NOT BUT WHAT WE FOUND IS. >> THESE ARE SALT WATER RESISTANT [LAUGHTER] BUT FLOODING DOWNTOWN IS TYPICALLY AROUND WATER [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO PUT DOWN THERE. [BACKGROUND] >> [INAUDIBLE] A LITTLE. >> ANYTHING ELSE, BILL? >> [OVERLAPPING] I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE OLD TREES IN THAT. MAYBE, ISN'T THAT GOING TO BREAKUP THE NEW PAVEMENTS AND STUFF BETTER [OVERLAPPING] >> A TREE THAT CAN LIVE AND PROSPER WITHIN THE TREE WELLS THAT ARE THERE. THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECT. >> MAYBE WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE THESE? >> THAT I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. I DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING]. >> THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS [BACKGROUND]. WE DISCUSSED MARY'S [NOISE] QUESTION BACK WHEN THIS WAS GOING ON AND THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS I THINK BUT, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO BRING THESE OAKS IN, AND THESE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SPECIES ABOVE SPEC SUPPOSE THEY DON'T TEAR UP THE SIDEWALKS AS MUCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE AROUND THE TREE MARK [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT ABOUT THE LEAVES? THE LEAVES I'M CONCERNED WITH. I REMEMBER SEEING ONE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON 25TH STREET WHEN THEY PUT MAGNOLIAS IN THERE. I'M CONCERNED BY MAGNOLIAS BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WHEN THEY SHED THEIR LEAVES, WHERE THEY GOING TO GO DOWNTOWN, THEY GO RIGHT INTO THE GUTTER AND CREATE PROBLEMS. >> MAGNOLIAS IS ONE OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OFF THE LIST, AND PALM TREES AS WELL FOR SAME REASON, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SHED. [NOISE] >> ANYTHING ELSE BILL THAT YOU ANSWER? [NOISE] >> YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE ME 6 MILLION NUMBERS, A LOTTO. [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JOHN ANYTHING? >> I THINK I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. [BACKGROUND] WHAT IS 10G FOR THIS LEASE [INAUDIBLE]? >> WHAT WAS THE NUMBER AGAIN JOHN? >> 10G. >> 10G. >> MIKE. >> IS THERE ANY [NOISE] RESTRICTIONS ON TERMS OF LEASE AGREEMENTS DOWN THERE BY FAA [BACKGROUND] FIGURES? >> ULTIMATELY 40 YEARS MAXIMUM. [NOISE] FOR AVIATION-RELATED LEASES, YOU CAN NOT GO OVER 40 YEARS. >> [OVERLAPPING] CAN YOU PROVIDE ME THAT INFORMATION FROM THE FAA, [OVERLAPPING] WHERE THAT WOULD BE? >> IT TAKES A STATE CODE. >> CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT? >> YEAH, I CAN GIVE YOU THAT. >> OKAY. >> IN THIS LEASE AGREEMENT, IS THERE ANY REVERSION CLAUSES IN THERE? >> NO, IT'S ALL OUR, >> IT'S OUR SPACE. >> IT'S ALL OUR SPACE OTHER THAN [OVERLAPPING] OUR SHIELD WINGS. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR [OVERLAPPING]. >> THERE ARE THEIR FUEL TANKS. THEY'RE PORTABLE. >> [INAUDIBLE] NO. >> OTHERWISE, THEY ARE IN THE HANGAR. THEY'RE IN THE TERMINAL. THERE ARE SPACES IN THE TERMINAL WHICH THEY BUILT OUT. [NOISE] >> THE FUEL TANKS ARE PORTABLE? >> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE ON THE SKATES. >> BUT I HAD TO REMOVE THOSE [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE]. >> SO THAT THEY KEEP THOSE TANKS. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT ONE. >> IF YOU GIVE ME THAT STATE REGULATION, [NOISE] THAT'D BE GREAT. >> YEAH. >> JOHN ON THAT SUBJECT IF YOU DON'T MIND, I HAD TO COME IN. MIKE, I'M GOING TO SAY IT TO YOU EVERY TIME, THIS TIME THE THINGS COME UP THAT SEEMS LIKE TOO SMALL OF A FEE FOR THESE. BUT, YOU ASSURED ME THAT THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH COMPETITION WITH OTHER AIRPORTS. >> ON THE GROUND LEASE, IT'S WITHIN RANGE AND ON THE OFFICE LEASE, WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING HIGHER THAN SOME PLACES HERE ON THE ISLAND [NOISE] FOR OFFICE SPACE. >> I NOTICED, IT'S HARD TO CALCULATE BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING ALL THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE RAMP TOO. [NOISE] >> THAT IT'S 25 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT ON THE RAMP. >> IS IT? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE'RE GIVEN ABOUT 130 PER SQUARE FOOT ON THAT, IN-OFFICE SPACE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> I THINK THE AVERAGE ON ONE SIDE IS ABOUT $17 ON THE AVERAGE FOR THE OFFICE SPACE PER, >> OKAY. >> PER SQUARE FOOT. >> OKAY. SO IT'S ABOUT 140 SOMETHING. >> VERY GOOD. >> I'M SORRY, JOHN. GO AHEAD. >> NO. THAT'S ALL I HAD ON THAT. >> THEN 10P. [NOISE] IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE BUYING SOME MORE METERS. >> IT'S JUST, THIS IS OUR METERED MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. THIS IS TO REPAIR THE ONES WE HAVE IN THE GROUND PLACE, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS [NOISE] REPLACING IT ALL. WE STILL HAVE AN ONGOING NEED. THIS IS JUST FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR AND UPKEEP OF OUR EXISTING METERS. >> WE'RE ON THIS WORRIED TOPIC. WHEN ARE WE LOOKING TO GET THE NEW METERS? WHEN DOES THAT PROGRAM COME IN? >> YOU GO. >> WE ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS RIGHT NOW, AND OUR HOPE IS TO BRING IT TO THE JANUARY CITY COUNCIL. [00:25:06] THE NEGOTIATIONS EXTEND BEYOND WHAT WE THINK OR JUST BREAKDOWN AND MAY DIVE INTO FEBRUARY, BUT OUR TARGET IS JANUARY. >> OKAY. [NOISE] >> I HAD A QUESTION ON THAT. >> YES. >> THIS IS THE PROJECT AUTOMATING THE ENTIRE CITY. >> YES SIR. >> THERE WAS A COST, I THINK THE NUMBER I REMEMBER WAS 16 MILLION? >> YES. SO THE BID CAME IN UNDER 16. [NOISE] WE HAD A GRANT FOR 16 AND WE WERE ESTIMATING THAT WE COULD GET EVERYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO DO, EVERYTHING WE NEEDED DONE, DONE AT THAT COST. THEY CAME IN SOMEWHERE AT ABOUT 15, 115, TWO, APPROXIMATELY. >> THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US IN THE FUTURE, ABOUT IF WE APPROVE IT DON'T. >> YES SIR. >> THEN [NOISE] I'LL MAKE MY ARGUMENT THEN. THANK YOU. [NOISE] >> DID BRIAN SHARE WITH YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR PENNY SHAW JOHNSON? SHE IS SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN MY DISTRICT AND WHILE SHE LIVES IN MY DISTRICT, AND NORTH OF HOUSTON, [NOISE] SHE SITS ON A WATER BOARD AND THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. I'LL TEXT YOU HER CONTACT INFO BECAUSE SHE CAN SHARE WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH. IT'S GOOD TO TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS. >> ABSOLUTELY. [OVERLAPPING] JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD AMI INSTALLATION THAT I'VE HAD IN MY CAREER. >> OKAY. >> THIS IS NOT MY FIRST, >> RIGHT. >> FIRST, GO AT IT [INAUDIBLE]. >> BUT I KNOW, [BACKGROUND], SHE MADE ME AWARE, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE THE SAME COMPANIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. [NOISE] THEY LOOKED AT. >> THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN ONES ON THE MARKET. >> [OVERLAPPING] YEAH. RIGHT. THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IN SOMETHING LIKE THREE MONTHS THAT WE'VE BOUGHT MORE BADGER STUFF. >> WHAT WE DID, WE BROUGHT THROUGH [NOISE] A QUOTE, PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO SO THAT WE COULD BUY NEW METERS FOR NEW METER INSTALLATION AND THEN FOR THE REPAIR AND UPKEEP THAT MR. BUCKLEY WAS DESCRIBING. I WAS TRYING TO NOT GET THE FULL AMOUNT OF WHAT WE WERE NEEDING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO GO WITH THE METERS AND I DID NOT WANT TO BUY A TON OF NEW METERS, JUST TO SWAP THEM OUT IN SIX MONTHS. [NOISE] NOW THAT WE KNOW THE AREA WE THINK WE'RE GOING, ONCE WE START TO FINALIZE THE CONTRACT, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SHIFT THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE BUYING. I SPOKE WITH PURCHASING AS WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, HOW WE MIGHT BEGIN WITH. IN OUR DISCUSSION WE DECIDED, WELL, WE'LL PUT THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE 100K, WHICH WOULD GET US THROUGH THE MAJORITY OF THE YEAR, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE TO CREATE A 100K PO. WE CAN CREATE IT IN SMALL CHUNKS, JUST TO KEEP STREAMING ALONG. >> AS WE NEED IT. >> AS WE NEED IT. [NOISE] >> OKAY. JUST WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU. >> [OVERLAPPING] I'LL SEND OVER TO YOU PENNY'S INFO. >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> JOHN. ANYTHING? >> THAT WAS IT FOR ME. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. DAVID. >> THE ONLY THING I HAVE LEFT IS 10O THE RENTAL OF THE AUTOMATED [NOISE] GARBAGE TRUCKS. [NOISE] [LAUGHTER] >> [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'RE RENTING THEM? >> BUT YOU CAN BUY THEM. >> WE ORDERED THE NEW ONES THAT [INAUDIBLE] ALREADY AUTHORIZED. BUT IN THE INTERIM, [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] WE STILL HAVE TRUCKS DOWN AND WE HAVE TO HAVE TRUCKS. >> THEN IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO RENT THAN BUY? >> WE [OVERLAPPING] LOOKED AT THAT, THE LONG-TERM IS PROBABLY NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME. BUT, IT COULD BE A [INAUDIBLE]. >> YEAH. >> SO WE'RE RENTING, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE TEST REPORT IS JUST UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TRUCKS COMING IN, THE NEW ONES COMING IN IN EITHER JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. >>THAT'S OPTIMISTIC BUT YEAH. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S IT? >> [LAUGHTER] >> EVERYTHING. [OVERLAPPING] >>WE SHIP OUT. >> YEAH, THEY'RE ON A SHIP OFF LOS ANGELES. >> YEAH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION, SO WE'RE GETTING NEW AND SO WE'RE GOING TO RETIRE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE NOW? >> YES. >> WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM? DO WE AUCTION THEM OUT? >> YES, THEY ARE AUCTIONED. >> IS IT MORE FEASIBLE THAN DO A REHAB AND SETTLEMENT OFF? >> WE LOOKED AT PUTTING A NEW BOX ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCKS OR THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND, OFTEN, WE'VE GIVEN THEM TO THE PARK BOARD IN THE PAST OR GIVE THEM TO OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES. >> I GOT PLENTY. >> THEY'RE WORN OUT. >> THEY'RE WORN OUT. >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY'RE CHEAPER TO. >> THEY'RE BROKEN MORE THAN THEY'RE RUNNING NOW. [00:30:01] >> IS IT CHEAPER TO REHAB IT, PUT A NEW? WHAT'S THE COST OF THE TRUCK? >> THE NEW AUTOMATORS OR CERTAIN POINT [INAUDIBLE]. >> THREE TO 400,000. >> YEAH. >> HOW MUCH IS IT? >> THREE OR 400,000 FOR A NEW ONE. >> BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH THEM, THEY'RE WORN OUT. THE REASON WHY CINDY IS COMING TO YOU, IT'S LIKE A BUFFET. THESE TRUCKS COME IN AND GO OUT. >> NOT A GOOD COMPARISON THOUGH. [LAUGHTER] >> THEY JUST COME IN EVERYDAY, WE HAD 14 WORK ORDERS ON THE TRUCKS. FOURTEEN WORK ORDERS ON OCTOBER 7TH ARE MALFUNCTIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY WORN OUT. FIVE HYDRAULIC LEAKS AND ONE BREAK PROBLEM. SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY IN, THEY'RE CONSTANTLY OUT. WE DID 282 WORK ORDERS LAST MONTH, THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY GO INTO THESE MINOR REPAIRS, THE MECHANICS, WHICH ARE ONLY FIVE, HAVE TO JUMP OFF THE REPAIR AND GET ON THE GARBAGE TRUCKS. I GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ARE THEY ALL OUT? NO, IT'S LIKE A BUFFET, THEY COME IN EVERYDAY BECAUSE THERE'S SIMPLY WORE OUT. IN THE PAST, WE'VE NEVER REBUILT BACK OF IT BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE WITH THEM, THEY'RE WORN OUT, THE ARMS ARE WORN OUT, THE STEEL FLOOR IS COMPLETELY WORN DRY FROM TIME TO TIME. MARTY IS ON THIS WORKFORCE, THEY'VE GONE IN THERE AND WELDED STEEL FLOORS IN THERE TO KEEP IT MOVING UNTIL WE GET THE NEW ONES IN. IF YOU GET BEHIND AN AUTOMATED AND FOLLOW IT, THAT MACHINE IS CONSTANTLY MOVING LEFT AND RIGHT, THAT ARM'S GOING OUT. LONG STORY SHORT, THEY'RE JUST WORN OUT, SIR. SO WE AUCTIONED THEM OFF, AND PUT ON GOOD DEALS, AND WE DO GET A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THEM. A LOT OF THEM ARE BOUGHT AND SHIPPED DOWN TO THE SOUTH. WHAT THEY DO WITH THEM, I HAVE NO IDEA. >> WELL, AS FAR AS THAT EQUIPMENT, YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY WEAR OUT QUITE OFTEN. IS IT A PARTICULAR BRAND? IS IT LIKE A FORD VERSUS A CHEVY? IS ONE BETTER THAN THE OTHER? CAN WE LOOK AT PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR BETTER QUALITY TRUCK? >> THE THINGS THAT ARE WEARING OUT ON A TRUCK ARE BASICALLY THE BACKPACKERS, THE CHASES ARE OKAY. THE PATCHES THAT WERE BOUGHT ON THE HOUSE WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE BEST. SOME YEARS AGO, WE REACHED OUT AND WE BOUGHT A DIFFERENT MAKE. THE PACKERS, WE INSTALLED IT. WITHIN TWO TO THREE YEARS, IT WAS FAILING LEFT AND RIGHT TO THE POINT WE HAD TO PHYSICALLY REMOVE THOSE PACKERS, BUY A NEW ISLE PACKERS, PUT THEM ON THERE AND PUT THEM BACK IN SERVICE. WE'VE EXPERIMENTED WITH GOING AWAY FROM HOLLER, TEXAS. HOLLER, TEXAS IS ONE OF THE BETTER ONES. IF YOU RESEARCH, IT YOU'LL FIND IN MOST CITIES AND BIG PRIVATE COMPANIES UTILIZE THESE. BUT WHEN WE RESEARCH IT, WHEN WE'VE GONE OUT THERE AND GOT A DIFFERENT PACKER UNIT, DIDN'T LAST ANYMORE THAN THREE OR FOUR YEARS THEN WE HAD TO SWITCH TO THEM BACK OUT, WHICH WAS VERY COSTLY. >> I WOULD SAY TO THESE, JUST A PLUG FOR THE SANITATION PART AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THE REASON THESE ARE WEARING OUT. OUR SANITATION DEPARTMENT PICKS UP THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES COULD NEVER PICK UP. THE RESIDENTS ARE VERY THANKFUL TO HAVE THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT, YOU DO A GOOD JOB OVER THERE. >> TO THAT POINT, I'VE ASKED BRIAN TO SHARE SOME RULES ON WHAT WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN'T, THE BIG BULK PICK UP THINGS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH FURNITURE? BECAUSE PART OF THE REASON THEY ARE WEARING OUT, IT'S NOT AS IF PEOPLE PUT CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL AND DEBRIS IN THE ROLL OFFS, THEY OVERLOAD THEM. IF WE NEED TO SET SOME NEW RULES AND DOES NOT PICK SOME THINGS UP, PUSHBACK, EDUCATE THE PUBLIC TO BEGIN WITH. BUT IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE JUST NEED NOT BE PICKING UP BECAUSE THEY'RE DAMAGING THE TRUCKS, I THINK WE NEED TO PUBLICIZE THAT. WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT. >> IT'S OUR PLAN TO PUT OUT SOME INFORMATION ON CHANNEL 16. SO AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN TO PUSH TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT HOW TO PROPERLY USE THEM. >> WE KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE WATCH THAT ALL THE TIME. >> THAT'D REACH 100 PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS. >> BUT IF WE KNOW THESE THINGS, WE CAN TALK TO OUR RESIDENTS, I TALK, I ENJOY MEETING THEM. >> LET ME ASK A QUICK QUESTION ON THE EQUIPMENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A REGULAR TRASH TRUCK PICKS UP TRASH. >> THE AUTOMATED TRUCK WITH THE PROVIDER CAR. >> OKAY. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH MATERIALS AND ALL, THAT IS A OPEN-ENDED TRUCK RELOAD. >> [OVERLAPPING]. >> LET ME SAY THIS. IF I PUT A TWO-BY-FOUR IN AN AUTOMATED CAN, AND I DUMP THEM INTO AN AUTOMATED TRUCK, JUST GOING TO TEAR IT UP. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> THE RELOADER THOUGH, SAME THING. THE RELOADERS HAVE GOT A BLADE THAT SITS ON A TRACK AND MOVES BACK AND FORTH. A TWO-BY-FOUR GETTING IN THAT BLADE AND UNDERSTAND THE RULE OF HYDRAULICS, THERE'S UNBELIEVABLE PRESSURE. WILL TEAR THE RELOADER UP AS WELL. >> WELL, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE OPEN TRUCKS WITH A BRUSH THEY GO UP, YEAH BRUSH TRUCKS. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY USE TO TAKE OUT IN THE CONSTRUCTION. >> CORRECT. >> WHEN PEOPLE PUT ALL MANNER OF THINGS TO [OVERLAPPING] THAT AS YOU CAN. >> BECAUSE THIS IS BECOMING A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHERE IF WE'RE DAMAGING THE EQUIPMENT, WE NEED TO GET THAT INFORMATION NOW. >> YEAH. AGREED. >> PLUS, A LOT OF CONTRACTORS ARE CUTTING DOWN TREES AND I BELIEVE IT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO HAUL IT OFF, CORRECT? >> IT IS. >> BUT IT'S BEING LAID OUT. I TRAVEL ALL OVER THE ISLAND AS DAN KNOWS, [00:35:03] WHEN I GIVE THEM ITEMS THAT I SAY TO CORRECT. BUT THEY'RE ALL OVER. BUT THEY EITHER NEED TO CALL A CERTAIN NUMBER TO GET IT TAKEN CARE OF. BUT I HAD ONE EMAIL SAYING THAT THEY HAVE THIS TYPE OF DEBRIS OUT THERE AND IT HAD BEEN OUT THERE FOR TWO OR THREE, FOUR DAYS OR WHATEVER. WE NEED TO FIND SOME MECHANISMS TO GET THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC. >> I WOULD AGREE. BY ALL MEANS. THE PROBLEM WE'VE RUN INTO, THIS IS BEEN SOMETHING COUNCILS HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH FOR A LONG TIME, THE PROBLEM WE'VE RUN INTO WITH TREE TRIMMINGS AND WITH CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, IF IT'S NOT A BIG LARGE AMOUNT AND IT'S DONE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU PICK IT UP BUT IF IT'S DONE BY COMMERCIAL SERVANTS THEN YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND THEY SAY, NO, I DID IT MYSELF. >> WELL, ANOTHER ISSUES. I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ANYTHING, GREENWAYS, THAT KIND OF THING, PUT IT WHERE YOUR REGULAR GARBAGE PICKUP IS. BECAUSE IN EAST, WE HAVE A LOT OF ALLEYS AND THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE GARBAGE IS PICKED UP AND PEOPLE JUST TAKE IT AND DUMP IT A THE CURB OUT FRONT. IT'LL SIT THERE FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEY WONDER WHY. >> WELL, THE GARBAGE TRUCKS YOU CAN'T GET IN THE ALLEY SO THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THE MATERIALS OUT FRONT. >> WE NEED TO CLARIFY ON THAT. >> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IN MY SISTER'S PROPERTY, THEY PUT IT OUT IN THE STREET AND IF IT RAINS, IF THE THINGS ARE LOGS IN [INAUDIBLE], IT'S GOING RIGHT DOWN THE SEWER DRAIN. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM. >> DOES THE CONTRACTOR PUT IT OUT IN THE STREET? >> NO, THIS WAS THE REST OF IT. >> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF CONTRACTORS. WELL, THAT'S THE FEDERAL CONSTRUCTION BOX. THAT'S WHERE THE MATERIALS ARE SUPPOSED TO GO. WE ALL KNOW THE GALVESTON AWAY. IT STARTS AT ABOUT 5:00 ON FRIDAY AND IT ENDS AT DUSK ON SUNDAY. YOU DO UNPERMITTED WORK, YOU DO ALL KINDS OF CONSTRUCTION IN THOSE TWO OR THREE-DAY PERIODS. IF THERE'S A HOLIDAY, YOU GET A FOUR DAY RUN. >> WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF TOPIC ON THE BUYING THE NEW AUTOMATED TRUCKS. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING DAN FROM COUNCIL HERE IS WE NEED TO GET SOME INFORMATION OUT AND MAYBE CLARIFY THAT WITH COUNCIL, IF YOU COULD GET SOME INFORMATION SERVICE. >> GLADLY DO IT. >> ARE WE STILL DOWN THE TWO TRUCKS, OUR SERVICES? >> DEPENDS ON WHAT DAVID BUFFET THIS MORNING [LAUGHTER] THIS MORNING OR AS OF YESTERDAY, WE HAD THREE OUT OF SERVICE. >> HAS THAT AFFECTED AT ALL SERVICES? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I'LL SEND THIS TO REFUSE DEPARTMENT. THEY'LL GET IT PICKED UP. I MAY NOT WANT TO KNOW HOW BUT THEY GOING TO GET IT PICKED UP. >> THEY DO A GREAT JOB, TOO. >> ANOTHER THING, TOO, IS A LOT OF THE CANS GET CAR BATTERIES PUT INTO. MASSIVE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S DANGEROUS TO THEIR WORKERS AS WELL. THAT'S WHY THERE HAS TO BE SOME PRETTY GOOD [OVERLAPPING]. >> I SAW THAT GREEN CAN WITH THE LID ON IT. >> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE WHERE SOME PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR OWN TRASH TO THE DISPOSAL? >> THEY CAN DO THAT NOW UP TO 1000 POUNDS A MONTH WITH THEIR WATER BILL. >> THAT'S A THOUSAND POUNDS A MONTH, BUT FREE. >> THAT'S A LOT. >> FREE. THERE'S NO CHARGE. >> I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT A THOUSAND POUNDS, ISN'T THAT MUCH? >> THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD BUT FOR DELIBERATELY DOING CONSTRUCTION ON THEIR HOUSES MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. >> WELL, THAT WAY WE MAY FOR A TIME PERIOD TO ELIMINATE OUR NAMES FOR TRASH TRUCK TO LET THEM GO OUT AND AT LEAST GIVE THEM A DISCOUNT OR SOMETHING. >> YOU PAY FOR MORE POUNDS AFTER THAT. THAT'S DARN EXPENSIVE. >> WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF-TOPIC HERE. IF WE WANTED TO GET BACK INTO THIS, WE SURE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON THIS [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK JUST TO CLOSE IT OUT, THIS COUNSEL PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF NEW TRUCKS, WERE ON A CYCLE TO REPLACE THOSE TRUCKS, CONSISTENTLY, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ADVERSELY SPENT. YEAH. >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. AT THE END OF THIS, HOW MANY AUTOMATED TRUCKS WILL THERE BE? >> YOU'RE SCHEDULED FOR EIGHT TRUCKS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. THE POINT IS THIS, WE BUY THREE, WE HAVE THREE COMING IN, SHE TURNS IN THREE. IN FAIRNESS TO THE CITY AND ANY OTHER CITY, YOU'LL HAVE A LOT OF TIMES GOING TO HANG ON TO ONE JUST IN CASE, LET'S CALL THE CREAM BUT IT DOES GIVE IT A SPARE UNIT JUST IN CASE. SO THAT NUMBER KIND OF FLUCTUATE. AS A FLEET MANAGER, I WANT TO KEEP IT A DAY BUT TO HELP HER AND THE OPERATIONS GOING, WE MAY KEEP AN EXTRA ONE AND POSSIBLY DO SOME MORE REBUILD ON AS WELL. >> WE KEEP THE BEST OF THE WORST. >> WITH TWO NEW ONES COMING IN. >> WE HAVE THREE NEW ONES. >> THREE NEW ONES COMING IN. >> THREE NEW ONES, OKAY. >> IT'S THREE NEW ONES. >> DAVID, ANYTHING ELSE? >> I'M GOOD. THANK YOU, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I'M GOOD, TOO, MAYOR. THANK YOU. >> VERY GOOD. I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. LET'S MOVE. PUT ITEM 3 B, AS IN BOY, HAS BEEN DEFERRED. PLEASE MOVE TO 3C, JANELLE. >> OKAY. 3C, UPDATE OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATION PROCESS. [3.C. Update Of The Short Term Rental Regulation Process (B. Frazier/C. Brown - 15 Minutes) ] >> COUNCIL, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TO UPDATE COUNCIL AND TO GET A PLAN FORWARD, EVEN THOUGH OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON THIS TO GET US ALL EDUCATOR AND WHERE WE'RE MOVING WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS. WE STARTED OUR ORDINATES ON MANAGING THE REGISTERED PLATFORM AND PAYMENT OF HOT TAX. [00:40:05] WE DID OUR REGISTRATION ORDINANCE. CURRENTLY, WHAT'S GOING ON NOW IS THE [INAUDIBLE], HE'S GETTING READY TO SEND OUT AN RFP AND WE'VE GOT BRYSON. BRYSON, COULD YOU COME UP, PLEASE, SIR? LET'S GET YOU A CHAIR. WHY DON'T YOU COME ON OVER HERE, BRYSON. EVERYONE, NO BARS COMPARED TO THE CFO. >> CFO WITH PARK BOARD. THEY ARE SENDING OUT AN RFP NOT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES INTO GALLIUM ON THE SELECTION OF SOFTWARE FOR REGISTRATION, BUT FOR THE SELECTION THAT'S CONSULTED WITH RESEARCH GALVESTON SITUATION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND COME UP WITH BEST PRACTICES FOR SHORT-TERM RANDOM RENTAL REGULATIONS AND THAT IS WHERE UNDERSTANDING OF BRYSON MAY HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL TOWARDS THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR COMING UP. IS THAT CORRECT, SIR? >> YES. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY THE HOPE. SO, THE BOARD JUST APPROVED THE CONSULTING SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE CONSULTANT YESTERDAY. NOT YESTERDAY, TUESDAY, EXCUSE ME. IT'S GETTING ROUTED PRECIPITATOR NOW, WE'LL GET THEM STARTED PROBABLY RIGHT AFTER THANKSGIVING. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY'LL DO IS SURVEY RESEARCH AND REPORT ON THE SUCCESSFUL [NOISE] REGISTRATION AND TAX COLLECTION, COMPLIANCE, ENFORCEMENT OF OTHER CITIES. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT, AS COMPARABLES WITHIN THE CITIES THAT ARE AS COMPARABLE TO GALVESTON AS WE CAN. WE'RE GOING TO TURN THAT REPORT OVER TO US AND WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT SOMETIME IN THE FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR. >> THEN THAT WILL SERVE COUNCIL IS OUR SPRINGBOARD TO MOVE FORWARD IN A DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WILL GUIDE US ON. ON HOW WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, PARTICULAR REGULATIONS IF ANY. DAWN IS ALSO RESEARCHING THIS SUBJECT NOW AND WE'LL BE BRINGING FORTH SOME THOUGHTS TOO AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, OF COURSE, THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO US HERE IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR. COUNCIL, DID WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THAT? >> I DID WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT AND I KNOW I MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR. IF I WAS TOLD THAT IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS EVERY WEEKEND IS WE WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF AN IMPACT THING THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE $50 AND THAT WILL BE AN ANNUAL FEE. BUT ALSO, IF YOU DO NOT [NOISE] REGISTER YOUR RENT OR BUY DECEMBER 31ST AND PAY YOUR $50 AND YOU ARE LOSING YOUR LICENSE. IF YOU ARE FOUND TO BE RENTING AFTER THAT PERIOD, THERE IS A FINE UP TO $500 A DAY. SO, FOLKS OUT THERE, YOU NEED TO REGISTER YOUR RENTAL. [OVERLAPPING] >> HOW IS THAT BEING DONE, TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT WHAT SHE JUST MENTIONED WILL BE ACTIVATED IF THEY DON'T. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE ALREADY DONE ONE PRESS RELEASE. WE PLAN ON DOING ANOTHER ONE. ONLINE REGISTRATION RENEWAL SOLUTION RIGHT NOW WITH OUR CURRENT SOFTWARE PROVIDER SHOULD BE UP AND RUNNING BY DECEMBER 1ST. WE HAVE MASS EMAIL CAPABILITIES, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE SENDING OUT NOTICES WEEKLY BETWEEN DECEMBER 1ST AND DEADLINE DECEMBER 31ST, TO ALL OF OUR REGISTERED PROPERTIES. WE HAVE A WEEKLY COLUMN, ONE OF OUR AND PR FOLKS OVER AT THE PART WHERE IT HAS A WEEKLY COLUMN WITH THE GALVESTON DAILY NEWS. SO WE'LL HAVE HER WRITE A COLUMN INDICATING WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, HOW YOU HAVE TO REGISTER. IN THE MEANTIME UNTIL THAT ONLINE SOLUTION IS READY. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO RENEW THEIR PROPERTY NOW ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CALL US, EMAIL US, COME WITH THE PARK BOARD AND WE CAN GET THEM SQUARELY. >> JUST LOOKING AT THE AWARENESS AND MAKE THEM AWARE SO THEY WILL COME TO I DIDN'T KNOW. >> IN THE CITY BILL HAS PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES ON THIS TOO WILL COME OUT ALSO. >> WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T READ PRESS RELEASES, DON'T READ THE NEWSPAPER AND I UNDERSTAND, DON'T EVEN HAVE COMPUTER TO GET ACCESS TO THE WEBSITE. >> [OVERLAPPING] NECESSARY IF THEY'RE RENTING. >> [LAUGHTER] JUST GOING TO SAY THAT MOST PEOPLE, MOST OF THEM ARE PROBABLY NOT. >> NO EXCUSE. > IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT CONTACT WITH THOSE THAT ARE REGISTERED, YOU CAN CONTACT WITHIN NOW BECAUSE THEY GAVE THE SAME. [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE HAVE NOT DONE IT YET BECAUSE THAT'S COMING OUT. WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT COINCIDE WHEN THAT ONLINE SOLUTION IS READY. I NEED THAT THE COUNCIL MIGHT GET THAT OUT SOONER. WE FIGURED BY DECEMBER 1ST AND WE HAVE THE ONLINE SOLUTION FOR RENEWAL WAY TO GO. IF YOU DIDN'T WRITE EMAIL, LAST IF YOU WILL. >> SOUNDS GREAT. >> BUT WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN, IF I CAN SAY GARMENT STROKE, HAVE AGREED TO HELP GET THE WORD OUT TO THEIR MEMBERS, POP UP IN THEIR WEBSITES. WE'VE UPDATED OUR WEBSITE, SO IF ANYBODY GOES TO THE PARK BOARD MAIN PAGE, THERE'S A BLURB ABOUT YOUR REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS AND THEN THERE'S A LINK TO WHAT TO PUT IN OUR WEB PAGE THAT HAS ALL THE INFORMATION WOULD BE NEEDED. [00:45:01] >> THAT'S GREAT. VERY GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? BRYSON AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE. BRYSON HAS BEEN REALLY EASY TO WORK WITH HERE AT THE CITY AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE THAT YOU BRING TO THIS SUBJECT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE IT. [NOISE]. >> LET'S MOVE IF WE COULD, TO ITEM 3D PLEASE, JANNEL. >> 3D PRESENTATION OF THE FINAL REPORT, [3.D. Presentation Of The Final Report Of The Recycling Ad Hoc Committee (W. Schuster/J. Steinhaus - 15 Min) ] OF THE RECYCLING AD HOC COMMITTEE. >> WILLIAM I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO YOU. [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, THIS WAS A PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE. WE CAME TO AN END IN AUGUST OF 21 AND THEN JUST WITH THE SCHEDULE, WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, WITH BUDGET AND ALL THAT, JUST FELT THIS WAS A PERFECT TIME TO GO OVER THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO SERVE JOAN'S TOWNHOUSE WHO'S HERE TODAY. SHE WAS THE CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE WHO DID A FINE JOB. BUT GO TO THIS FINAL REPORT, I WANT TO HELP THEM ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND OUR STUDENTS ALLY OR TEACHER DANIEL, DAVID FORD MARY, KYLE WRIGHT AND THEN DR. COLE. THEY STARTED ON THIS COMMITTEE AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB. THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE RECYCLER'S COLLEAGUE ON THE ISLANDS BEST AND THEY ACTUALLY MADE ME WANT TO SET MY GAME UP. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. [LAUGHTER] WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING AND THIS WAS A WEIRD ROUTE TO GET HERE BECAUSE COVID PUSHED THINGS BACK THEN THE ELECTION PUSHED THINGS BACK. THEN WE'D HIRED A NEW RECYCLING DIRECTOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT AND THEN OF COURSE, COUNCIL CHANGED AND THEN WE HAD A NEW DIRECTION WITH THAT ORDINANCE GETTING APPROVED IT. I FORGOT WHAT DATE THAT WAS, BUT WE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING IN MAY AND THEN I WOULD SAY WE WRAPPED UP IN AUGUST. NOW THE REPORT THAT JOAN. JOAN WILL REPORT THIS THING NOW. >> JOAN COME ON UP IF YOU WOULD. EVER SEEN. >> THE REPORTS THAT YOU HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT IS VERY INFORMATIVE. NOW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN HERE, WE GET TO THE FOUR TASKS OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS SET TO DO AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH RECYCLING. SOME OF THOSE THINGS STAFF HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSING AND SCOTLAND'S LIKE, WHO'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH A FLOOD SIMPLICITY WITH RECYCLING. HE'S GOING TO ASDRESS AND DOING A LOT OF THESE THINGS. THE REPORT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT HAS REPORT SAYS THAT COUNCIL NOW ADDRESS FOR THE COMMITTEE. THERE ARE IF YOU JUST SCROLL THROUGH I'M SORRY, FLIP THROUGH. THERE'S A GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNCIL OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE RECYCLING HERE ON THE ISLAND AND THEN ALSO THERE ARE STARS, LIKE I SAID, ON WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. THERE'S ALSO WHEN YOU SCROLL GO THROUGH AND I'LL LET JOAN GO OVER TO SOME SPECIFICS. I'M JUST GOING OVER THE OVERALL IDEA. YOU HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE LONG-TERM GOALS, WHICH THERE ARE SOME VERY COOL LONG-TERM GOALS ON HERE THAT WILL ACTUALLY HELP THE CITY IN RECYCLING [NOISE] BUT IT WON'T BE THE MAKE OR BREAK. BUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE'RE TALKING WITH SANITATION, PICKING UP CERTAIN THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T. SOME OF THOSE ITEMS COULD ACTUALLY GO TO RECYCLING WHICH WOULD HELP THEM SOLVE ALL. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE. BUT I GUESS AT THAT POINT, EVERY LITTLE THING CAN HELP, IT MIGHT SAVE A TRUCK, SO THERE YOU GO. THERE ARE LONG-TERM GOALS. THANKS FOR WHY PEOPLE AREN'T RECYCLING. YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG ISSUE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, IF YOU FIGURE OUT THE WHY, THEN YOU CAN START HELPING DEVELOP A PLAN TO MAYBE REACH OUT TO THOSE PEOPLE AND HELP OUT TO GET MORE RECYCLING ON THE APP. >> WILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF WHY THEY DON'T DO IT? >> RIGHT THERE ON PAGE, I BELIEVE IT'S SECOND TO LAST ONE. THE COMMITTEES COME UP WITH ACCESS TO REACH THE CENTER. THERE'S REALLY AWARENESS OF THE CENTER, TIME CONSTRAINTS, SINGLE MOTHERS, SINGLE PARENT, WHATEVER. DO THEY HAVE TIME TO DRIVE, ALWAYS 61ST STREET. THEY WORK FIVE DAYS A WEEK, IS RECYCLING TOP PRIORITY FOR THEM, THINGS LIKE THAT. LACK OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVE, REALLY KNOW IT'S IN THERE AND THEN JUST, IN GENERAL, JUST DON'T CARE ABOUT RECYCLING. >> WELL, THAT'S LEADS STRAIGHT TO ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I'M SURE YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE COME UP WITH ANY THOUGHTS ON THE FUTURE OF CURBSIDE RECYCLING, RIGHT? [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH. THERE'S SOME STUFF AND ACCESS SO SIGNIFICANT. >> THANKS DAVE. [LAUGHTER] THE KNOWLEDGE ONLY CHANNEL OF IT, SHE'S GOTTEN A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT. THAT'S WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER WITH THIS. THE BIGGEST THING WHICH IS PRETTY COOL, JUST LIKE AN ENDED MIND. I DON'T KNOW. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING YOU CAN ACHIEVE IN A YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS. HOPEFULLY, MAYBE IN MY LIFETIME IT WOULD BE COOL BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ZERO WASTE COMMUNITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMITTEE TALKED ABOUT. ZERO WASTE, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG GOAL. [00:50:04] THAT'S A PRETTY LOFTY GOAL. THERE'S NOT TOO MANY CITIES OUT THERE DO THAT, OR HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, THERE'S A HANDFUL, BUT IF YOU CAN MAKE STEPS TOWARDS THAT, THEN OVERALL, YOU'RE MAKING A REALLY BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH RECYCLING AND SANITATION. HAVING THAT GOAL IN MIND, WHICH [NOISE] THE COMMITTEE'S PUTS TOGETHER SOME REPORT, IF YOU GO TO YOUR EMAIL, YOU'LL SEE IT DIGITALLY SOME REFERENCES TO ZERO WASTE COMMUNITIES, HOW THEY DO IT. THERE'S A COUPLE IN TEXAS, THERE'S AUSTIN, THERE'S DALLAS, SAN ANTONIO, I THINK I SAW SAN FRANCISCO, OUTSIDE OF TEXAS. IS ONE OF THOSE AS WELL. THEY DO HAVE PLANS FOR THAT. I THANK THE COMMITTEE WITH THE FOUR THINGS THAT COUNCIL SET OUT FOR THE COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS DID A GREAT JOB IN THIS REPORT AND THEY'RE THERE FOR COUNCIL. JOAN IS HERE, SHE WANTS TO GO INTO MORE SPECIFICS. ANY QUESTIONS OR IF THEY'LL DON'T HAVE ANY. >> THANK YOU. BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO GO MORE TO FINANCE. WHAT IS IT? ARE WE LOOSING ANY MONEY ON THIS RECYCLING? BECAUSE WE MENTIONED PICK IT UP ON THE SIDEWALK AND ALSO THAT'S GOING TO DO MORE MEN MORE VEHICLES TO OBTAIN. ARE WE LOSING MONEY PER YEAR ON THE THE RECYCLING? >> I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION BUT IT'S LOOKED AT AS A SERVICE. FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT YOU APPROVE ON THE BUDGET IS [NOISE] CONCEPTUALLY A LOSS. WE DON'T GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO COVER THE COST IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. >> WELL, THEN MY COMBAT IS WHY WE BRING OUT OPERATE AND SERVICE THAT IS LOSING MONEY. WE NEED TO MAYBE RETHINK ON HOW WE DO IT. >> I THINK THE OBJECTIVE IS TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COSTS AND THE REVENUES. BUT I THINK PART OF IT IS JUST INITIATIVE OF THIS COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE TO PUT THEIR ARMS AROUND THEM AND WANT TO RECYCLE. IT'S GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, IT'S GOOD FOR THE ISLAND AND THERE'S A COST TO THAT. IT'S A COST RIGHT NOW THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN WILLING TO BEAR. IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, COUNCIL IS UNWILLING TO BEAR THAT COST AND THAT WOULD CHANGE. BUT RIGHT NOW THE COST OUTREACH TO THE REVENUE. >> YOU ARE PAYING FOR THAT WATER BILL? >> ABSOLUTELY. WELL, THERE ARE MORE THAN THAT. >> [LAUGHTER] YEAH. SO ABOUT LIKE TO ITS EFFECTIVENESS AND THEN LIKE THE COST. THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG TASKS, WAS JUST SEEING THE EFFECTIVENESS. SCOTT HAS AND IT'S IN THE DIRECTIVE, I GUESS, WE DO WE WANT TO ADOPT A LOT OF THESE IDEAS, PUT OUR HANDS DOWN TO. THAT HE DOES HAVE TO PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS, I BELIEVE. >> MONTHLY. >> MONTHLY REPORTS, TRENDS AS TO WHERE SOME OF THIS, IF IT'S GOING TO A RECYCLING CENTER. IF IT'S GOING TO SAY IT TO A LANDFILL. IF WE ARE BEING EFFECTIVE TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT LOSS BUT GOING INTO THE COST, IT'S JUST LIKE RUNNING THE HARD PART WE WIRED IN. THAT'S A LOT, SO WE DON'T REALLY MAKE UP TOO BIG OF A CAUSE. IT'S MORE LIKE A SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE A PROFIT ON EVERYTHING ON A CITY SERVICE. BUT THIS DOES HELP BRING AWARENESS TO A LOT OF TRASH ISSUE, SANITATION, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT. I THINK, GALVESTON IS A COOL PLACE TO START IT. >> IT'S ONE OF THOSE SERVICES BUILD, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, THAT COUNCIL'S IN THE PAST AND, I THINK, CURRENT COUNCIL SUPPORTS PROVIDING THESE AMENITIES FOR BOTH THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE HERE. YOU CAN PUT THE SWIMMING POOL IN AND THEN YOU CAN PUT OUT LIKE TRANSIT INTO THAT. YOU COULD PUT OUR CURB AND SIDEWALK PROGRAM INTO THAT [NOISE]. >> PUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THAT. THEY DON'T MAKE MONEY FOR US, BUT [OVERLAPPING] >> THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES WE PROVIDE. THERE ARE AMENITIES TO THE CITY THAT COUNCIL SAID THEY FELT IS IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT LIKE WE WANTED HERE FOR GALVESTON RESIDENCE IN HERE AND THAT'S WHY THIS RECYCLING COME TO THE PLAY, DOES NOT MAKE MONEY. IT DOES MAKING THEM COME CLOSE. EACH ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. >> JOY. [OVERLAPPING] >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE DR. COLE'S HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AS WILLIAM EXPLAINED, WE HAD A BREAK FOR NUMEROUS REASONS. THE CHANGE IN CITY COUNCIL, THERE WERE THREE TROPICAL STORMS THAT POTENTIALLY [OVERLAPPING] IMPACTED THE CITY AND THE CITY WAS NOT ABLE TO MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE. BUT THE GOAL FROM THE CHARGES THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE INTERPRETATION OF THE COMMITTEE, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE RECYCLING CENTER BEST PRACTICES. FINAL DISPOSITION WASN'T IN THE CONTRACTS OF THE VENDORS, AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH CINDY AND HER STAFF, AND AS WILLIAM SAID, THE HIRING OF SCOTT [INAUDIBLE] HAPPENED DURING THAT PROCESS WHEN WE WERE IN OUR TENURE AND WE WERE OF COURSE, CONCERNED WITH THE CONTAMINATION RATES. GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PEOPLE WERE BRINGING MATERIALS TO THE RECYCLING CENTER. THEY MAYBE WEREN'T SEPARATED PROPERLY SO THERE WAS CONTAMINATION. THAT IS ALL BEEN ADDRESSED AND SO IN OUR GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS, AS WILLIAMS STATED, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS AWARENESS IN THE COMMUNITY. [00:55:01] WE NEED EDUCATION. THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHARGES THAT WE HAVE AND WE FOCUSED A LOT ON THE NEED FOR EDUCATION. WE FOCUSED ON WHY PEOPLE WEREN'T RECYCLING, TIME RESTRAINTS, JUST APATHY TOWARDS IT. IF YOU WALK AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF MATERIALS IN THE TRASHCAN THAT CAN POTENTIALLY GO TO THE RECYCLING [NOISE] CENTER. THAT WOULD DIVERT SOME OF THAT MATERIAL AND THAT CAN TIE INTO THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY, THE WASTE. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OR THAT OUR COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON WAS SAYING TO THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT THAT MAYBE THE CITY AND THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT THAT COUNCIL SHOULD REVIEW THE OLD PROGRAMS AND DO A RATE BASED FEED ON THE SIZE OF THE RECEPTACLE. WHAT IF I'M RECYCLING AND I'M ONLY PUTTING ON A TINY BAG TRASH, GIVE ME A SMALLER TRASHCAN. FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, AND HELP ME MR. BUCKLEY, THERE WAS A PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE YOU HAD DIFFERENT SIZED CANS, AND THAT NO LONGER IS IN PLACE NOW, AND THEN AFTER IKE, WE HAD MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE CITY THAT REALLY INFORMED THE COMMITTEE OF WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE IKE AND WHAT WAS GOING ON NOW. WE TALKED ABOUT YARD WASTE, DIFFERENT MATERIALS THAT WERE BEING ACCEPTED, AND PICKED UP, AND SO THAT ALL TIES BACK INTO THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD EARLIER. THEN JUST GOING THROUGH THE CHARGES AGAIN, WILLIAM TALKED ABOUT THEM. BUT SCHOOLS HAVE A LOT OF WASTE, THERE'S PAPER AND PLASTIC. THEIR RECYCLING COMMITTEE SAID, "LOOK AT VOLUNTEERS IN THE COMMUNITY. IF THE STAFF ISN'T ABLE TO PICK UP THAT MATERIAL FROM THE SCHOOLS AND BRING IT TO THE RECYCLING CENTER, LOOK AT SCHOOLS, LOOK AT OTHER NON-PROFITS WAYS TO GET COMMITTEE MEMBERS OR ARE WILLING TO ADD THEIR VOICES TO THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENS." THEN DISTRIBUTION, HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW ARE WE GOING TO REACH THEM. YOU MENTIONED THE CITY CHANNEL, IN OUT, THE LAST SOCIAL MEDIA ACTUALLY GETTING OUT THERE AND SO MARKETING AND ADVERTISING, GOING OUT TO HOMEOWNERS GROUPS, OTHER GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY, REALLY GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT AND USING THAT SOCIAL MEDIA. THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY IMPROVEMENTS MADE AT THE CITY SITE AND THAT'S ADDRESSED IN NUMBER 3. HOW CAN WE MAKE IT MORE USER-FRIENDLY? THAT THEY HAVE ADDED SIGNS, BEAUTIFICATION, STREET SIGNAGE. WE'RE SAYING THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, RIGHT? BRING TOURS OUT. WE HAD A TOURS OR COMMITTEE, BRING SCHOOL GROUPS OUT, BRING ADDITIONAL PEOPLE OUT, AND EDUCATE THEM ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON. THEN OF COURSE, THE CITY RECYCLING CENTER BEING OPEN, STAFFING NEEDS TO BE THERE, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A DAY ON THE WEEKEND THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO IT. AS WILLIAMS STATED IN OUR LONG-TERM GOALS, LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE KEEP AS MUCH WASTE AS POSSIBLE OUT OF THE TRANSFER STATION, POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT COMPOSTING AGAIN, ADDRESSING MATERIALS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT THAT ARE CURRENTLY NON-RECYCLABLE. THE STYROFOAM IS ONE OF THEM. THE CITY CAN NO LONGER DO THAT. CAN WE HAVE A CITY RESOLUTION TO HELP BUSINESSES MOVE AWAY FROM THE STYROFOAM THAT THEY'RE USING? >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LAW ON BOTH THAT, THERE IS THOSE STYROFOAM IN CITY HALL WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL THAT [OVERLAPPING]. I WAS ON CITY ORDINANCE, ALTHOUGH THEY BROKE IT. [LAUGHTER] I POINTED IT OUT TO THEM [LAUGHTER]. >> WOW. THAT WAS FABULOUS. >> STYROFOAM WAS OUT ALL IN THE CITY HALL BACK LIKE IN 2013. >> YEAH, I LOVE IT AND THEN I KNOW THAT IN PREVIOUS CONTRACTS, ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE MARDI GRAS, THERE WAS NO SINGLE USE PLASTIC BAGS. LET'S HAVE OUR CONTRACTS REFLECT THAT WE WANT RECYCLING TO HAPPEN AT THE CITY. ALUMINUM, PLASTIC, GLASS. I KNOW THAT THE EVENT HAPPENING AT THE RAILROAD MUSEUM, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, THE EXPRESS FOR [OVERLAPPING] AND RECYCLING. LET'S PUT THAT INTO ALL CITY CONTRACTS. THEN AS HE SAID, WORK TOWARDS BEING A ZERO WASTE TO BE THERE. OUR CAMPUSES THAT ARE DOING IT AND THERE ARE CITIES THAT ARE DOING IT. IT'S JUST CHANGING OUR HABITS, REDUCING THE WASTE THAT WE GENERATE. >> VERY GOOD. >> YEAH, SO IT'S ALL IN THERE. AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE IT AND THE LAST THING IS, AGAIN, THE EDUCATION. I KNOW THAT, AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT JANELLE WILL SHARE WITH YOU, SCOTT SHARED WITH THE COMMITTEE SOME OF HIS REPORTS. IT'S NOT IN THIS PARTICULAR REPORT OR WILL BE IN ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS YOU RECEIVED BY EMAIL, BUT INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION IN THE CITY MANAGERS MONTHLY REPORT, AT LEAST THE SUMMARY, SO THAT WE'VE REACHED THE PUBLIC AS MANY WAYS AS POSSIBLE. >> WE HAVE A COUNCIL. JANELLE HAS SENT THE REPORT TO YOU ELECTRONICALLY, SO YOU HAVE THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO RECOGNIZE? I THINK YOU DID. YOU HAVE SOME NUMBERS FROM YOUR COMMITTEE. JACKIE IS HERE. HI JACKIE. HOW ARE YOU? >> HEY DR. COLE. >> NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. ANYONE ELSE FROM YOUR COMMITTEE HERE THAT YOU SEE? >> NO, I DIDN'T, BUT CINDY WAS WITH US ALL THE TIME. I JUST GOT HERE. WE DO WANT TO THANK THE CITY STAFF. THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THE BEGINNING. WE HAD A CHANGE IN COUNCIL, AND WE HAD A CHANGE IN A COUPLE OF STAFF MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE. [01:00:03] WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE CITY STAFF [NOISE] AND THEIR GUIDANCE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. >> I'D LIKE TO ASK, WILLIAM, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN NOW WHERE YOU'RE MOVING TO BRING THINGS BACK TO COUNCIL TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR GOALS? JUST WANTED TO CHECK WITH YOU. >> WE COULD BRING THIS BACK TO A WORKSHOP, MAYBE GO THROUGH TO SEE WHAT IDEAS WE CAN DO IMMEDIATELY, [NOISE] DO A LONG-TERM, ADOPT THAT, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON SOME OF THESE. >> DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULDN'T MIND GETTING WITH STAFF IN LEGAL? LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THEM BRING BACK TO COUNCIL. ANY ACTIONS THAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT WHAT YOU GOT. [NOISE] >> COOL. > THAT SOUNDS GREAT. OTHER QUESTION, DAN, WHERE ARE WE ON THE MIDDLE OF THE RECYCLING CENTER SITUATION IN THE STATUS OF THAT LAND DOWN THERE WHERE THE CURRENT CENTER IS IN THERE? >> WE'RE GETTING READY TO ADVERTISE THAT PROPERTY FOR SALE. THAT'LL BE THE DEFINING MOMENT THAT WILL TRIGGER THE RELOCATION OF THE RECYCLING CENTER WHICH WILL SIT ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OR MORE USER-FRIENDLY FOOTPRINT DESIGNED WITH THE NORMAL FLOW THROUGH IT. IT'LL ALL WOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON US DISPOSING THE SURPLUS PROPERTY. >> WHAT ACRES ARE WE LOOKING AT OUT THERE? >> HOW MUCH THAT WE'RE GOING TO SELL OR HOW MUCH IN TOTAL? WE'RE GOING TO SELL AROUND SIX ACRES. >> ABOUT SIX ACRES? FAIR MARKET VALUE ON CAD? >> ABSOLUTELY. NO, NOT CAD. WE GOT MARKET APPRAISALS. WE GOT ONE WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS, WE FIRST BOUGHT TWO AND THAT GOT THREE A YEAR OLD, SO WE JUST ORDER THE NEW ONE AND THAT'LL BE THE VALUE THAT'LL BE THE BASELINE FOR OUR SALE. >> WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET THAT WAS SEIZED BY THE POLICE? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SELL IT. HAS THAT ALREADY BEEN DONE? >> THAT'S SOLD. >> THAT'S SOLD? >> THAT'S SOLD. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE RIGHT HERE? >> YES. >> ON 26TH STREET? THAT'S SOLD. >> THAT REVENUE IS GIVEN OVER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? >> IT IS. IT GOES IN A SPECIAL RESERVE FOR SEIZED ASSETS. >> THE NEW RECYCLING CENTER WILL BE JUST NORTH OF WHERE IT IS FOR THAT? >> CORRECT. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR SERVICE TO THE CITY. THAT WAS A GOOD GROUP TO WORK WITH, AND THEN STAFF THAT HELPS IN THE SKY. THEN DAN FOR SITTING THERE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO NOW PUT THEM TOGETHER. THAT WAS A FUN EXPERIENCE, TALKING ABOUT RECYCLING FOR A COUPLE MONTHS. APPRECIATE IT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE IDEAS BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE I THINK THEY CAN REALLY HELP OUR RECYCLE ON THE ISLAND. >> WE'LL RELY UPON YOUR GUIDANCE. >> THAT'S A LOT OF WEIGHT ON MY SHOULDERS, I GOT IT. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU EVERYONE. >> THANK YOU, DAWNIE. YOU DID GREAT. I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD JOB. >> THANKS ONCE MORE. >> WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 3E HAS BEEN DEFERRED AND WE'RE MOVING TO 3F. IF YOU COULD READ PLEASE, JANEL. >> 3F, COUNCIL AGENDA POLICIES IN THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. [3.F. Council Agenda Policies And The Open Meeting Act. (Brown - 10 Min ) ] >> COUNCIL, I'M BRINGING THIS FORWARD JUST TO GOT TO GET OUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER ON OUR AGENDAS AND SO FORTH. JUST SOME OBSERVATIONS HERE. I DON'T THINK IT'S A POLICY THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED, BUT WE'VE HAD A STANDING PRACTICE, I WOULD SAY. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THAT THE MAYOR HAS ALWAYS SECONDED THOSE ITEMS AND ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. I HAVE FOLLOWED THAT AND I CONTINUE TO BE VERY HAPPY TO SECOND ANY ITEMS THAT GO ON THE AGENDA. I WOULD REQUEST A COUPLE OF THINGS AND DAN MAY WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. IF WE DO HAVE ITEMS YOU WANT ON THE AGENDA, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO REALIZE THEY NEED TO BE AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE. TO MEET THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, WE NEED TO GIVE INFORMATION THAT IS SO SPECIFIC THAT SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US AS WE MOVE FORWARD. ALSO, IF THERE'S ITEMS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING INFORMATION ON, FEEL FREE TO GO TO STAFF. YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE BUT IF YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE NEEDING TO GET INFORMATION AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ON SOMETHING, STAFF IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO GO TO THEM AND THEY WERE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE. I THINK THAT WILL HELP OUR AGENDAS MOVE ALONG A LITTLE MORE EFFICIENTLY ALSO. YES, MARIE. GO ON. >> BECAUSE I WOULD LET DAN CHECK OFF BUT SINCE THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA, I WENT BACK IN AND REREAD THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS IT CHANGED WHEN [NOISE] CHANGED THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ESPECIALLY UNCLEAR IN OUR COMMITTEES BECAUSE WE TOLD COMMITTEES TO GO TO ZOOM, AND IF YOU ARE DOING A ZOOM OPEN MEETINGS, IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PUT DOWN SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN THE IDC. IN ORDER TO VOTE, YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR PHYSICAL LOCATION. >> CORRECT. >> WHETHER IT'S YOUR HOME, WHETHER WHATEVER, YOU HAVE TO PUT DOWN THAT PHYSICAL LOCATION AND OUR COMMITTEES AREN'T DOING THAT. [01:05:06] THEY'RE REALLY ON BREACH OF OPEN MEETINGS. >> FIDEL, DO YOU HAVE THAT THOUGHT OR ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? >> THE COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINAL OR SOMETHING ABOUT MAYBE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THIS MORE THAN ME SINCE HE BROUGHT IT, BUT A FEW MONTHS BACK, THE COUNCIL APPROVED AN ORDINANCE WHERE ALL COMMITTEES COULD MEET VIRTUALLY. THERE'S A CITY ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT SAYS ALL COMMITTEES HAVE TO FOLLOW THE OPENING MEETING'S ACT. >> WHICH THEY AREN'T. >> WITH THIS ORDINANCE A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT ORDINANCE WAS SUSPENDED, MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR THE COMMITTEES TO MEET VIRTUALLY. >> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIST WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED? THAT'S IN THE NATURE OF THESE MEETINGS. >> [NOISE] THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT BY VIRTUE AND THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MEET THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT BECAUSE OUR CITY CODE TELLS THEM THEY WILL. BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THEM HAVING MEETINGS, SO YOU PASSED ANOTHER ORDINANCE SAYING YOU MAY CONTINUE TO MEET BY ZOOM. [OVERLAPPING] ALLOWED THAT BY ORDINANCE. THAT IS GOING TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 31ST BY THE WAY. THAT WILL EXPIRE. >> BUT IT DOES STATE BUT YOU MUST COMPLY WITH THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE ORDINANCE WE DID. >> OH, I DON'T RECALL THAT LANGUAGE WE SAID. I THINK WE JUST SAID THAT YOU COULD CONDUCT YOUR MEETINGS BY ZOOM. >> IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO COMPLY? THAT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE IS CONFUSION OVER THAT. [OVERLAPPING] >> IT WANT BE. >> IF YOU ARE ABLE TO STATE THAT WELL, NOT A VENTURE HOME, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FUND IT DOWN AND THAT SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE. I MEAN THAT'S. >> NOT UNDER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT I SAY WHICH BY THE ACT. >> OPEN MEETINGS ACT SAYS YOU HAVE TO LIST YOUR PHYSICAL ADDRESS WHEREVER IT IS SO THAT IF ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE AREA THAT YOU'RE IN WANTS TO ATTEND THE MEETING, THEY HAVE THE PRIVILEGE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THAT'S BRINGING IT ON SLICKER. >> OKAY. >> ALRIGHT. >> IT'S GREAT SO. >> I THINK IT'S DONE >> ARRAY WHEN YOU'RE IN BRECKENRIDGE, YOU BETTER OPEN THAT FRONT DOOR BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT [LAUGHTER]. >> WE KNOW. >> DON DID YOU WANT TO MAKE [OVERLAPPING]. >> HOLD ME THERE THOUGH. >> COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA? >> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT LOTS OF MEETINGS. THAT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. IT IS HOW THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE A NOTICE OF WHAT THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE DOING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SO SPECIFIC THAT SAID IT THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT 56 INCHES IN THIS ITEM AND YOU JUST HAVE TO PHRASE IT SO THAT WE HAVE A GENERAL KNOWLEDGE IMPARTED TO THE PUBLIC OF WHAT THE NATURE OF THE DISCUSSION WILL BE. >> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? >> YES, RIGHT HERE. I DID SOME HOMEWORK AND HERE'S SOME INFORMATION IF YOU'LL WANT IT OR YOU CAN THROUGH IT AWAY ON [NOISE] THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THERE'S COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE WHAT I'M SAYING I THINK TO START BACK AT 2014 WHEN MARY YARBOROUGH WAS HERE? >> YES. >> THAT HE WOULD SOMETIMES I PUT STUFF ON THERE THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND BASICALLY POINT-BLANK, YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. >> LET ME CLARIFY THAT. >> I KNOW >> WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. I SAID WE COULDN'T PUT IT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT WAS NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH. I CLEARED THAT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I SAID IF WE CAN KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS, I'D BE HAPPY TO SECOND THAT IN TO THE EXAMPLES YOU HAD REQUESTED YOU WANTED AND I DON'T WANT TO SIT IN PUBLIC SAFETY. WE DIDN'T NEED IT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY ON THAT. TO TALK ABOUT YOU HAD AN EYE ON THAT, WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >> YEAH. >> YOU AND I TALKED IT OUT AND YOU GAVE MORE SPECIFICS AND WE DO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA IS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROMOTION. >> MY COMMENT, I AGREE WHAT YOU SAYING NOT A PROBLEM, BUT WHEN I WAS A REASON WHY I WAS IN CHANEL'S OFFICE THAT FRIDAY WAS TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE YOU CAME IN HERE, I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED TO TALK ME ON SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S WHY I LEFT WHEN I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT, SHOULD I WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO HER TO CLARIFY, GIVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. >> OKAY. >> BUT THE THING IS ON THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT. I LOOKED IT UP BOTH STATE AND TO OUR CODE AND ALL. [01:10:01] YOU HAVE 72 HOURS TO BE POSTING. THAT IS WHAT WE SAYING, IS THAT BUSINESS DAYS OR IS THAT CONTINUOUS HOURS? >> WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SPECIFIC COORDINATES REGARDING POSTING THAT WE FOLLOW. >> I THINK IT WAS THE CITY SECRETARY RELIEF ACT OF 2018. [LAUGHTER] IS THAT WHAT WE CALL IT? [OVERLAPPING] I WOULD RESTRICT TIMELINE THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW AND WOULD PROVIDE IT THAT OUR AGENDAS WOULD BE POSTED FRIDAY AND WASN'T GET IT SAY NOON. >> NO. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THAT AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING YOU [NOISE]. I LOOKED UP THE CODE IN THE CITY CODE AND IT SAYS SEVEN DAYS. I LOOKED UP THE STATE REFERENCE 72 HOURS. >> RIGHT. >> NOW, IN WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET INFORMATION AND HERE'S THE REASONS WHY I'M ASSUMING ISN'T JUST MY OPINION. I DID THOSE SEVEN DAYS. SHE DOES ACCEPT IT THE 12 O'CLOCK ON THURSDAY, BUT ACCORDING TO THE CODE, YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND CALL CHANEL ON A SATURDAY [NOISE] ON SUNDAY AND GIVE HER INFORMATION TO PUT IN TO DO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, BUT YOU HAVE ALL THAT TIME PERIODS TO PUT IT IN THERE OR REDEFINE WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT IN THERE AT THAT GIVEN POINT IN TIME AS LONG AS IT'S POSTED, 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. MY QUESTION WAS, IS THAT EIGHT HOURS DOWN, IF YOU GO TO THE STATE CODE AT 5.551 DOWN, DOT 43, IT STATES IN THERE THAT IS EIGHT HOURS. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU HAVE THAT LADDER TO TURN ROUND INCENTIVE. PEOPLE ASKED HER, WELL, SHE HAS WORKED WEEKENDS. SHE'S A CHANEL IN THIS CASE, IS EXEMPT EMPLOYEE, BUT SHE CAN ALSO ALTERNATE HEY, I WORKED SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, IT'S MOUNT ZION. SHE CAN TURN AROUND AND TAKE THAT. >> WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT I CAN'T SAY COUNSEL HAS ALTERED THE POLICY. >> IS THERE WELL IT IS A RESOLUTION. >> LET'S PULL IT OUT. >> THE ORDINATES THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2018. SUDDENLY THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT AS SAY, 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THE MEETING [OVERLAPPING]. >> 72 HOURS CONTINUOUS OR BUSINESS HOURS? >> CONTINUOUS. >> CONTINUOUS, BUT IN 2018 THE COUNSEL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR ITEMS IN SEVEN DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING ON AT NOON, WHICH IS THAT THURSDAY PRIOR TO THE MEETING, WHICH IS COUNSELS CORRECT DEADLINE. >> WE HAVE ACTUALLY SEVEN DAYS UP TO THAT THURSDAY BY NOON TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION. >> YES. >> BUT IT CAN BE CHANGED PRIOR TO THAT OR WE'RE SAYING THAT WAS ALSO A CHANGE IN THIS ORDINATES. >> THE ORDINATES DOES MENTION SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. >> IT DOESN'T BESIDE. >> IT DOES. BUT IT JUST SAYS THAT IF I RECEIVE AN ITEM ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY, THE ITEM IS CONSIDERED TO BE RECEIVED ON FOLLOWING BUSINESS DAY. SHE DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT ITEMS PAST THE SATURDAY OR SUNDAY AFTER THE SEVEN DAY [NOISE] DEADLINE. BUT IF YOU HAD AN ITEM THAT YOU PUT ON IN THAT DEADLINE AND YOU WANTED TO MAKE A SMALL REVISION AND YOU COULD DO THAT? >> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IF I WANTED TO [NOISE] ADD SOMETHING, I COULDN'T DO IT IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING. >> IS FINE. >> AFTER THE SATURDAY. >> THAT'S SPELLED OUT IN THIS ORDINATES. >> YES, SIR. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT. >> I WILL SEND IT TO YOU. >> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT BILL? >> YEAH, THAT'S FINE. >> WE ARE GOOD. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 3D. >> 3D COUNSEL, UPDATES AND CLARIFICATIONS. [3.G. Council Updates And Clarifications (Quiroga/Brown - 20 Minutes) ] >> BILL THESE ARE YOURS. >> I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO THIS. >> I THINK MAYOR YOU RECEIVE ONE OF THESE THE FULL REPORT I TOOK THIS WAS THE REPORT THAT WE HAD A SPECIAL MEETING ON AUGUST THE 12TH TALKING ABOUT THE INCIDENT OUT DIP 74 STREET, AND IT WENT TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION OF ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL [LAUGHTER] QUALITY. OKAY. I READ THE REPORT AND I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THAT, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF CONTRADICTORY. YOU WANT TO PASS THOSE OUT THIS WAY, AND WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE, IS THAT WHEN I READ THE REPORT, I HAVE AN ENGINEER HERE, RIGHT? LET ME ASK, YES, BY ALL MEANS. I LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ON ONE. [01:15:01] >> CAN YOU COME FORWARD AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE, SIR. [NOISE] >> THAT'S ROB, EVERYBODY KNOWS WRONG. >> WELL, I'M JUST FOR THE PUBLIC AND PEOPLE. >> WE DON'T WANT TO. [LAUGHTER] >> I AM ROBERT WINIECKE, IN CHARGE OF ENGINEERING AND INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIT. >> I HAD A HEAVY ROPE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE YOU SEEN THIS REPORT? >> I HAVE NOT RECENTLY. >> OKAY. THERE'S AN ACRONYM THEY CALL M-G-D. WHAT DOES THAT STAND FOR? >> MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. >> MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. THANK YOU. >>THAT'S ALL. >> OKAY. >> SO WHAT I DID WAS THERE'S A REPORT THAT WAS PUT OUT THAT 10,000 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO DOWN WITH MY QUESTION BUT I THOUGHT I COULD, DO I HAVE THE REPORT NOW? >> NO, IT DON'T HAVE TO BE ABOUT THE REPORT. >> BUT THE REPORT STATES THAT WERE 10,000 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY WHICH WILL EQUATE, SIR, TO HOW MANY GALLONS PER DAY? TEN MILLION GALLONS? >> NO, NO, NO. >> TEN THOUSAND. IT SAYS 10,000 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. >> SO THAT'S IN A BILLION. >> OKAY. >> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE A TRILLION GALLONS? [NOISE] >> BILLION. >> OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN ERROR ON THE REPORT OR NOT. >> YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THE TCEQ REPORT. >> THAT'S, WELL, THE REPORT WAS GENERATED BY THE CITY BY A HOLLY. SHE GENERATE A REPORT. >> SO THAT WAS AN ERROR AND IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CORRECTED. >> OKAY, BECAUSE WHEN I GOT THE INFORMATION FROM THE STATE, IT WASN'T CORRECT. >>WELL, THE INFORMATION I HAVE SHOWN, IT WAS CORRECTED. I'VE PROVIDED, I'VE SENT YOU NOW A COPY OF THE REPORT THAT WE PREPARED AT COUNSELS AND INSTRUCTIONS. THAT REPORT WAS CORRECT, NOT WITHIN 24 HOURS WHEN IT WAS FILED. IT CLEARLY, THAT'S AN ERROR. IT WAS 10MGD. >> TEN MGD. >> THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT, OKAY, BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE HAD THAT MEETING, THERE WAS LEAKAGE, AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE LEAK WAS AT, AND IT WENT ON FOR QUITE AWHILE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, IT STARTED IN THE MORNING, BY NOON THAT WAS CUT OFF. BUT YET WE WERE STILL HAVE A SPILLAGE INTO LIKE MATLAB. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SEE. IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT. BECAUSE BRIAN WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A REPORT READY TO GIVE UP ON THAT DAY WHEN WE DISCUSS A THING, THE MAYOR ASKED HIM TO DO A REPORT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. IT HAS BEEN SINCE AUGUST 12TH. >> SO NOW, WHEN DOES THAT GET SENT OUT TO COUNCIL? >> IT WAS RECENTLY. >> THAT REPORT WAS COMPLETED. >> WAS IT? >> IT WAS SENT OUT TO ALL THE COUNSEL. >> I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT. IF YOU CAN RESEND IT TO ME. I APPRECIATE IT. >> FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH. >> FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH. >> THIS PAST FRIDAY. [BACKGROUND]. OKAY. >> I'LL RESEND IT. >> RESEND IT TO ME. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT THAT COMES FROM PROGRESS. I'VE GOT FOUR-INCH BINDER THAT HAS EVERY SINGLE DOCUMENT THAT'S AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY RELATED TO THAT PROJECT. THAT'S PART OF WHAT I HAVE YOU DO TO THE SCOPE. I DID THE WORK AND IT'S PART OF THE SCOPE THAT I REVIEWED DURING MY REVIEW OF THIS ENTIRE ISSUE AND THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE HAVE PARKED UP IN A CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE ELECTRONIC COPY OF ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO USE, WISHED THAT. >> I COULD GO TO YOUR OFFICE AND REVIEW? >> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. >> JANELLE, CAN YOU READ THEM WHERE IT HAS COMPLAINED INVESTIGATION DESCRIPTION? [BACKGROUND] YOU CAN START WHERE IT SAYS IT'S ATTACHED 3 AND 4. >> AT THE TIME OF INVESTIGATION. >> AT THE TIME OF INVESTIGATION, NO SOONER OWNER WAS DETECTED AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. AT THE CONSTRUCTION SITE, IT WAS OBSERVED THAT THE GROUND WATER WAS BEING PUMPED FROM THE CONSTRUCTION WORK PITS INTO THE STORM DRAINS. SEE ATTACHMENT 2, PHOTOGRAPHS 4 ABOVE. NO EVIDENCE OF A WASTEWATER DISCHARGE NOR A SINKHOLE WAS OBSERVED WHILE ON SITE. >> AGAIN, DURING AUGUST 12TH, I SHOWED A FILM SHOWING WHERE THE SINKHOLE WAS AT BUT THEY'RE SAYING THERE WASN'T ONE. THE REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T SEE IT BECAUSE THE TAG WAS THERE. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DIDN'T COME TO PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT OR A REVIEW OUR VIDEO BECAUSE WE ALREADY MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A SINKHOLE THERE, I THINK, IT SAYS IT WAS 10 FOOT. ACCORDING TO OTHER INFORMATION, IT WAS DEEPER THAN THAT BUT THAT'S IRREGARDLESS, BUT I'M GETTING CONTRADICTING INFORMATION WHERE THE SINKHOLE WAS PRESENT, THE EVIDENCE WAS SHOWN, BUT IT'S NOT ON THIS REPORT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHO FILED THE COMPLAINT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN A TCEQ AND I'M NOT PRETTY TO THE TCEQ INVESTIGATION OTHER THAN THEIR CONCLUSIONS WHICH THEY PROVIDED US, THERE WAS AN ANONYMOUS, I GUESS, ANONYMOUS COMPLAINT MADE TO TCEQ WHICH THEY INVESTIGATED. THIS IS A RESULT OF THEIR INVESTIGATION. PRIOR TO THAT, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF REPORTS RELEASED BY THE CITY, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT HAD THE ERRONEOUS DATA. [01:20:02] >> WHAT'S ERRONEOUS DATA YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> THE 10,000 MILLION GALLONS. >> SO WAS THAT AN ERROR ON OUR PART? >> IT, ABSOLUTELY, WAS AN ERROR ON OUR PART OR OUR OPERATORS PART THAT FILLED OUT THE REPORT AND IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY CORRECTED. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF REPORTS FILED RELATED TO THAT ISSUE. MY REVIEW OF IT, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THERE WAS A RELEASE OF SOME AMOUNT. THE AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN QUANTIFY IT. WHAT THEY DID IS THEY, THE 10 MILLION GALLON RELEASE WAS THREE DAYS, BASICALLY, THREE DAYS OF THE PLANT'S OPERATIONS. THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR THAT. BUT TO BE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE, THAT'S WHAT WAS REPORTED TO TCEQ. >> WELL, WE CAN SUBSTANTIATE. >> NO, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE. I'LL TELL YOU THAT WHEN THERE IS A LEAK, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DEBRIS IN THE LEAK. SO YOU GENERALLY CAN TELL THAT IT'S A SEWER ISSUE. THE BOAR PIT, THAT THERE WAS NO ISSUE WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT WAS REPORTED TO TCEQ AND THIS COMPLAINT. THAT'S WHAT WOULD I BELIEVE THEY INVESTIGATED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IN REFERENCE IN THEIR REPORT. BUT YEAH, IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO COMEBY, I'LL SHARE MY BINDER WITH YOU AND YOU CAN REVIEW ALL THIS INFORMATION. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON AND I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER BECAUSE I PROBABLY HAVE AS GOOD A WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HAPPENED OUT THERE THAN ANYBODY BASED ON MY REVIEW AND INVESTIGATION. >>BECAUSE REASON I BRING THAT UP IT'S [INAUDIBLE] ARE MADE IN 12. THE REASON I GOT INVOLVED IN IT IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ALONG BAYSHORE DRIVE WERE SAYING THAT THEY WERE SEEING FEACES IN THE WATER. THEN I GOT ANOTHER PROLONG, AS YOU ALL KNOW AND I WENT OUT THERE TO LOOK AT THE 74 STREET. IT DIDN'T HAVE A FILE STENCH. IN THAT AREA THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD COMPLAIN EVER SO OFTEN. WE HAVE DISCHARGED, NOW HIVE'S DONE BUT IT AFFECTS THREE DISTRICTS 4, 5, AND 6. A LOT OF PEOPLE I TALKED TO OUT THERE, AND I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL AND I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU AND YOU CAN READ IT. THEY SENT ME PHOTOGRAPHS AND WHEN I DO AN INQUIRY, I LOOK AT EVERYTHING. WHEN THIS WAS PUBLICIZED ON THE PAPER, PEOPLE WOULD CALL ME AND SAY, HEY, THIS WENT ON HERE, I HAVE PHOTOS AND ONE OF THEM I SHOWED YOU FROM A PLUMBER THAT WAS OUT THERE THAT DETECTED THAT. WHEN I SEE THIS, THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A COMPLETE INQUIRY WHAT HAPPENED NOT ONLY TO HELP STAFF, BUT MAYBE CHANGED POLICIES OF WHY THIS IS HAPPENING. BECAUSE THE CONSISTENCY THAT I'M SEEING OUT THERE IS QUITE BAD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REPORTS THAT YOU SENT ME, WE HAVE LEAKAGE OF 500, I,000 AND 10,000 GOING INTO LAKE MADELINE BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T GO TO LAKE MADELINE. I TELL YOU IN THAT MEETING THAT MY GRANDKIDS WANTED TO USE THE SKI JET, I REFUSED TO LET THEM GO IN THERE BECAUSE THE WATER IS POLLUTED, IN MY OPINION. >> SOME PEOPLE FISH OUT THERE. >> I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE CASE. SIR, RESPECTFULLY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ONE THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REPORT THAT I RECALL, OF DEALING WITH THE FOUL ODOR. WE HAD IT INVESTIGATED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE MARSHALL'S OFFICE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE SOMEBODY LEGALLY DON'T. THERE WAS A REPORT OF SOMEBODY THAT BACKED THE TRUCK UP DOWN A BOAT RAMP, IT'S LOCATED ON THIRD'S LANE AND DUMPED SOMETHING INTO THE WATER THAT HAD FOUL SMELL, LEFT THE SHEEN ON THE WATER. THAT WAS INVESTIGATED, BUT IT HAD UNFORTUNATELY DISPERSED BY THE TIME ANYBODY GOT THERE, THE TRUCK WAS GONE. THERE WAS NO VIDEO AVAILABLE TO FIND OUT WHO IT WAS. I WILL TELL YOU FROM MY REVIEW, I THINK WE MADE THE BEST OF A BAD SITUATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT, BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT OUR VENDOR STRUCK THE FORCE MAIN. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THERE WAS A RELEASE OF SOME AMOUNT, SOME OF IT BACK INTO THE BORE PIT WHICH WAS SUCKED OUT BY A VACUUM TRUCK VAN THAT DIDN'T GO DIRECTLY INTO THE WATERWAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE SLIP BLIND IT, MEANING WE PUT A NEW PIPE INSIDE OF THE OLD PIPE THAT IS NOW BACK IN SERVICE. BUT THE CONCLUSIONS THAT I CAME TO IS NUMBER ONE, THE FORCE MAIN THAT WAS INSTALLED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WAS IN THE WRONG LOCATION. WE GOT AS-BUILT PLANS FROM THE ENGINEER OF RECORD TELLING US WHERE IT WAS AND THAT'S NOT WHERE WAS. THE NEW WATER LINE THAT WAS BEING PUT IN PLACE WAS BEING INSTALLED AT THE WRONG DEPTH. NOT FOR THE ENGINEER'S RECORDS RECOMMENDATION, IT STRUCK THE FORCE MAIN WHICH WAS IN THE WRONG LOCATION, BUT THEY HAD RECORDS THAT WE HAD FROM OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD SHOWING US AS BUILT THIS IS WHERE IT WAS AT A CERTAIN ELEVATION. IT WASN'T THERE, IT WAS LOWER. >> THEY'LL SEND ANYBODY FROM THE CITY AND INSPECT THAT? >> YEAH, I QUESTIONED THAT IN MY REPORT IF YOU READ IT. THERE WAS A TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY WAS AVAILABLE WHEN THAT FORCE MAIN WAS PUT IN. NOW, WHEN WE PUT IN THE NEW SLIP LINE WITH GPS, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS. WE KNOW WHERE IT STARTS AND ITS DEPTH, [01:25:01] HOW IT CONTOURS THE LAND, WHERE IT COMES UP. THAT TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE WITH US TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THERE FOR THE FORCE MAIN. I RAISED THAT AS AN ISSUE IN MY REPORT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THE SUBLIME WAS BEING PUT IN WITHIN THE PAST FOUR, FIVE MONTHS, CORRECT? >> THERE WAS THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO THE DAMAGE DONE TO THE FORCE MAIN. >> BECAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND THE POINT OF DAMAGE. >> YEAH, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIND, IT WAS 30 FEET UNDERGROUND OR UNDER WATER. >> I'M GOING TO ASK DAN BEFORE I ASK THESE QUESTIONS. THE CONTRACTOR THAT DID IT, AND YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT ONE LINE BEING DEEPER THAN THE OTHER, SO AND SO FORTH. IT WAS HERE, INCORRECT ENGINEERING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. HAS THAT BEEN SETTLED OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND IT? >> THAT'S ONE OF THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS OF MY REPORT COUNCILMAN KROGER. I QUESTIONED THAT ON WHETHER WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE THE LIABILITY OF THESE VARIOUS PEOPLE. >> THERE'S NO LEGAL ON THAT. IS THERE A PENDING LITIGATION ON THIS OR? [OVERLAPPING]. >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> LET ME ASK THIS DAN, ON THIS INSTINCT COUNCILMAN KROGER IS BRINGING UP. WHAT WAS IN YOUR MIND THE SUMMARY OF THE TCEQ REPORT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION? >> THE STATEMENT WAS THAT THE COMPLAINT WAS UNFOUNDED. IT WAS THEIR CONCLUSION. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THERE WASN'T SOMETHING THERE. WE HAD PEOPLE AND I THINK THIS DEALT WITH THE TRUCK THAT BACKED DOWN THE BOAT RAMP. HOWEVER, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE PICTURES I BELIEVE YOU SHOWED ME WAS A BORE PIT. THERE WAS A SHEEN ON THE BORE PIT. WHAT THAT WAS, WHETHER IT WAS OIL, WHETHER IT WAS DRILL MUD, I DON'T KNOW. BUT TCEQ DID AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW. THEY WENT OUT THERE, THE DAY THAT THEY DID THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY FOUND NOTHING. THEY WERE ALSO PREVIEW TO ALL THE REPORTS THAT WE FILED. THEY KNEW THERE WAS ISSUES AND WE ABOUT RECEIVED ANY OTHER FINDINGS FROM THEM. >> LET ME ASK THIS. WHAT REQUEST DO YOU HAVE A STAFF OR WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO WITH THIS? >> THE THING IS THAT, THE REASON I QUESTION IS WHEN THIS CAME OUT PUBLICLY, I STARTED GETTING EMBODIED. THAT'S WHAT THIS THING IS ALL THAT I PASSED OUT. BASICALLY, IF YOU READ IT, WHAT THE PERSON IS TELLING US AND THIS HAPPENED A WHILE BACK, BUT THE PERSON WAS GOING TO APPEAR HERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WHATEVER REASON. BUT IT'S A CONSTANT PATTERN THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING TROUBLE OF SEWAGE OUT THERE AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE SEWAGE. I KNOW WE HAVE PROJECTS GOING ON, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE THAT WATER IS BEING POLLUTED OUT THERE. >> YOU'RE SAYING IT'S STILL ACTIVELY POLLUTED? [OVERLAPPING] >> I GUESS, BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING INVOLVED IN IT. I'M JUST BRINGING THIS POINT HERE. MY OBLIGATION WAS TO BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNCIL. THIS MEMORANDUM STATES, WHAT I'M READING, IT WAS A FORMER EMPLOYEE THAT WAS THREATENED AND IF SHE REVEALED THE INFORMATION THAT SHE WOULD BE TERMINATED TO MAKE. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS OR WHATEVER. BUT IT GOES IN THERE THAT ANYTIME THEY HAVE A SPILLAGE LIKE THIS, THEY GIVE THE WWP, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT X AMOUNT OF DAYS TO CLEAN IT UP. THERE'S PHOTOGRAPHS THERE OF WHAT THEY SEND AND IT'S NOT PLEASANT. THE PIPING THAT THEY USE, WE HAD A PUMP, ACCORDING TO THESE PHOTOGRAPHS, THE CITY PUMP PUMPING SEWER INTO THE LAKE MADELINE AREA. >> NO. IT WAS BEING PUMPED INTO ANOTHER MAIN, SEWER MAIN. >> NO SEWER MAIN. >> THEY BYPASSED THE LINE THAT WAS DAMAGED, PROMPTED TO ANOTHER SEWER MAIN THAT WAS CLOSER TO JONES DRIVE. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. IT WAS TEMPORARY AND I'LL BE GLAD TO MEET WITH YOU, ONE ON ONE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND I'VE GOT A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED. >> DO YOU HAVE AT LEAST CORRECT PHOTOGRAPHS, DID YOU GET THESE AS YOU SHOWED? I KNOW A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION THAT'S TOTALLY ILLEGAL RIGHT THERE. >> NO. THAT'S A BYPASS. >> BUT IF YOU CANNOT USE WHITE PIPE AND BLUE PIPE, YOU USE BLACK PIPE FOR SEWAGE. >> TCEQ WERE THERE TO INVESTIGATE IT. >> THEY DID THIS ONE? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A COMPLAINT THAT TCEQ INVESTIGATED OR NOT. >> OKAY. >> I'M NOT PRIVY TO YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS OR THE ONES YOU SHARED WITH THEM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THERE WAS A BYPASS INSTALLED WITH A TEMPORARY PIPING THAT WAS TAMPERED WITH BY A RESIDENT. ACCORDING TO A FORMER EMPLOYEE, THAT WAS INVESTIGATED. WE REALLY COULDN'T PROVE IT, THERE WAS NO VIDEO, NO CAMERAS. THIS RESIDENT HAD SHOWED EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH THE LINE BEING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE. BUT THAT CAME NOTHING AS A RESULT OF THAT. A MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION WAS MADE WHERE IT WAS PUT DIRECTLY ACROSS OUT OF THE MAIN STREET INTO ANOTHER FORCE MAIN. IT ALSO WENT TO THE AIRPORT AND THAT WAS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION UNTIL THE PIPE COULD BE REPAIRED TO SLIP LINING PROCESS. >> I THINK THE WHOLE BOTTOM LINE TO THIS THING IS ANYTIME WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THE PUBLIC NOTIFIES EVERYBODY. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK, IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE NEED TO GET FIXED BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THREE DISTRICTS. MY DISTRICT, JOHN PAUL'S, [01:30:02] AND ALSO MARIE ROBB. SORRY I ALMOST FORGOT YOU MARIE. [LAUGHTER] I WOULD HOPE THAT MR. SCHUSTER OVER THERE, UNDERSTANDS BECAUSE IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE. WHEN THIS WASTE WATER GETS IN THERE, IT HURTS A LOT OF PEOPLE. SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T GET OUT THERE. AGAIN, PEOPLE DON'T READ THE INTERNET, DON'T READ THE BULLETINS. THESE KIDS GO OUT AND PLAY. JUST LIKE I SAID EARLIER, MY GRANDKIDS DON'T PLAY IN THE BAY. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, GET THE MONEY APPROPRIATED, SO WE CAN GET THESE THINGS FIXED ONCE AND FOR ALL. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT IF WE HAVE AN INCIDENT, WE NEED TO FORM SOME COMMITTEE THAT SITS DOWN WITH STAFF TO SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY BECAUSE I'VE DONE 75-100 INVESTIGATIONS AND THE RIGHT AND CORRECT WAY TO DO THIS IS EVERYBODY SITS DOWN BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ADD OR SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DELETE OR GIVING MISGUIDING INFORMATION. THIS IS ONE THING THAT I WAS TRAINED FOR WHEN I WENT TO VIRGINIA, THAT WE HAD A SPECIAL COURSE TRAINED FOR THIS. NOT TO NAIL ANYBODY, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO FIX THE PROBLEM? THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. FOR SO MANY YEARS, I'M HEARING PEOPLE AND I ASK THEM WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THE COUNCIL? SAME THINGS AS LILY SAID, IF I SAY SOMETHING, THEY'RE GOING TO RETALIATE AGAINST ME. I'VE TALKED TO DAN ABOUT THIS AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY I BELIEVE THAT IN A WAY BECAUSE PEOPLE HERE IN THE CITY ALSO TELL ME THE SAME THING. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET THE PROBLEMS FIXED. I'M NOT LOOKING TO NAIL ANYBODY, LIKE I SAID, OR FIRE ANYBODY. I'M LOOKING TO GET THE PROBLEMS RESOLVED BECAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE. >> I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY BILL AND I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC OF YOURS FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND MY FEELING IS ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK WE NEED TO READ THE REPORT THAT, APPARENTLY IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT FROM STAFF, IT WAS SENT OUT LAST FRIDAY, PLEASE GO OVER THAT AND THAT MAY ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. SECOND OF ALL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO GET WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS AND IF THERE'S THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED AND IF THESE ARE POLICY ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE CHANGED, LET'S GET THEM BACK TO COUNCIL AND LET'S ADDRESS THEM. >> WELL, THANKS. JUST TO THROW OUT A SUGGESTION, I THINK THAT JOHN PAUL AND MARIE AND I SHOULD LOOK AT BECAUSE IT AFFECTS OUR DISTRICTS. I'VE GOT ENGLISH BAY, JOHN PAUL'S GOT OFFICE BAY, SHE'S GOT WEST BAY TO DEAL WITH. I BELIEVE ONE TIME I GOT A CALL FROM WEST BAY, HEY WE GOT A FILE OR RESERVOIR CALL MARIE. [LAUGHTER] BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM. IT'S A HEALTH ISSUE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK COUNCIL WILL LOOK FOR YOU TO GET GUIDANCE ON THIS AND YOU CAN TALK TO STAFF. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET WITH STAFF GET MORE INFORMATION AND GO OVER THAT REPORT THAT THEY SENT OUT FRIDAY. ABOUT THE THREE OF YOU GETTING TOGETHER, I'D RELY UPON STAFF AND LEGAL TO GUIDE YOU ON THAT. PERSONALLY GETTING ALL THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ONE ROOM ON THAT IS NOT A QUORUM, BUT I THINK THAT WE'LL GET A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> DON. >> OKAY, DON? >> ALWAYS A PLEASURE. >> ALRIGHT. IT SOUNDS GOOD. BUT DAVID, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ON THIS? >> DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE OF CURRENT OR PREVIOUS SEWAGE DISCHARGE AND TOKEN WATER? >> NO. >> THANK YOU. >> [OVERLAPPING] I WILL ASSURE YOU THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? >> WE MADE PUBLIC PRESS RELEASES. >> WE DID. >> IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL LEAD. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GALLONS, IF ANY. THERE WAS SOME RELEASE. THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND BASED ON EVERYTHING I HEARD, KNEW THERE WAS SOME RELEASE. I BELIEVE THE ESTIMATE WAS PROBABLY GREATER THAN WHAT WAS RELEASED BECAUSE THE 10 MILLION GALLONS RELEASED, THAT'S THE FULL CAPACITY OF OUR PLAN FOR THREE DAYS AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. >> YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ONE OR TWO RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] >> RIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS. >> YOU'D HAVE THE [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, BUT THAT IS AN ESTIMATE TO GIVE THE TCEQ TO TELL THEM WHAT THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO COULD HAVE BEEN. IT WAS NOT THAT. THE FORCE MAIN DID NOT RUN FOR THREE DAYS PUMPING A 100 PERCENT OF ITS VOLUME INTO THE CHANNEL. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. >> LET ME [OVERLAPPING] THROW ONTO WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ABOUT. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GALLONS WERE OUT THERE, AND HE'S RIGHT,10 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. BUT WHEN THE SEWAGE PIPE WAS HIT, IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THE SEWAGE TO SURFACE TO CREATE THE [INAUDIBLE], WHETHER IT'S 10 FEET OR WHETHER IT WAS 20 FEET OR WHETHER IT WAS 30 FEET. IT TAKES A PERIOD OF TIME. [01:35:01] THE PERSON THAT GAVE ALL THE INFORMATION SAID IT HAPPENED LATE DECEMBER, EARLY DECEMBER. IT STARTED COMING TO EFFECT IN MAY. YOU CAN ASK THE ENGINEER THE CALCULATIONS OF THE AMOUNT OF FLOW WITHIN THE PIPE, THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT PUSHES THE PRODUCT UP THROUGH THE GROUND TO FINALLY BREAK THROUGH. SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK, THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS YOU HAVE, TO MAKE A CONSIDERATION. BUT I AGREE WHAT HE'S SAYING, ONE DAY, FINE, BUT THIS MAY HAPPEN OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT INDUCED ALL OF THE WASTEWATER INTO THE [OVERLAPPING] >> COUNCIL, I THINK A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED WHEN YOU READ MY REPORT. [OVERLAPPING] IT'S DETAILED, I'VE GOT INFORMATION ABOUT DAY BY DAY, WHEN THINGS HAPPENED, AND THERE WAS NO WAY IT HAPPENED FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPRESSED NUMBER OF DAYS BEFORE A BYPASS WAS MADE. I THINK ONCE YOU READ THAT, HOPEFULLY IT MAY ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. >> VERY GOOD. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM B. DIFFERENT COMPANY NAME FOR MAIN LANE IN MC2. COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE] TALKED WITH ME ABOUT THIS. I THINK THE STAFF WENT OVER THIS ALREADY. I THINK [OVERLAPPING] >> WHEN DID STAFF GO OVER THAT? >> [BACKGROUND] >> WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION WAS [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, THE QUESTION WAS WHEN, AGAIN, AT THE MEETING, BRIAN WAS SUPPOSED TO GET A REPORT. WHAT HAPPENED WAS, HEATH OVER THERE PEDDLED ARTICLE IN THE PAPER ABOUT THE NAME CHANGE. IT WENT FROM MAIN LANE INDUSTRIES TO MC, AND THE WAY THAT I READ THE ARTICLE WAS THAT WE GOT RID OF THIS COMPANY UNTIL I STARTED LOOKING AT IT. IT'S ONE AND THE SAME. >> YEAH. I WILL TELL YOU MIKE CARUSO WAS HERE, AND I THINK MIKE COULD TELL US THAT 19 CONTRACTS THAT WE'VE ENTERED INTO WITH MC SQUARED SINCE 2015 [OVERLAPPING] NOT MC SQUARED WITH MAIN LANE? >> MAIN LANE. >> ALL MAIN LANE, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR NAME WAS, SUBSIDIARY, PARENT COMPANY, WHATEVER THAT WAS, EVERY ONE OF OUR CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN WITH MAIN LANE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEWSPAPER PUBLISHED. QUITE HONESTLY, I DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE. BUT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONTRACTS, THEY'VE ALL BEEN WITH MAIN LANE. WE'VE NEVER ENTERED INTO A PO WITH ANY OTHER COMPANY THAT WOULD BE MAIN LANE OPERATING IN ANOTHER NAME. WE'VE NOT DONE THAT. ALL OURS HAVE BEEN [OVERLAPPING] >> HOW MANY CONTRACTS [OVERLAPPING] >> NINETEEN. >> LET ME JUST CLARIFY, THE PURCHASE STORE [OVERLAPPING] >> THE PURCHASE STORE. >> [OVERLAPPING] COME UP HERE PLEASE. >> SIR, COULD YOU COME [OVERLAPPING] >> IT'S MIKE CARUSO, SO HE [OVERLAPPING] >> HE WAS JUST HIRED RECENTLY. >> YEAH, HE WENT BACK AND DID THE RESEARCH ON [OVERLAPPING] >> SIX MONTHS AGO RECENTLY, YES, SIR. I WANT [OVERLAPPING] >> PHILADELPHIA [OVERLAPPING] >> IT FEELS LIKE [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] THIS IS MY WORLD. >> WELCOME TO GALVESTON. >> NO, I'VE BEEN IN GALVESTON. THIS IS MY WORLD. [NOISE] I LOVE GALVESTON. THROUGH BANNER, WHICH IS OUR ERP PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE ELECTRONIC PLATFORM THAT WE HAVE. WENT BACK AND RESEARCHED MAIN LANE, AND MAIN LANE, SINCE 2015, WE HAVE ISSUED 19 PURCHASE ORDERS [INAUDIBLE], PART OF IT IS THROUGH A CONTRACT AND OTHERS COULD BE A NON-CONTRACT. BUT EITHER WAY IT'S 19 PURCHASE ORDERS AND THEY WILL BE MAIN LANE, THE W-9 THAT THEY FILLED OUT BACK IN 2015 STORE FILE, STILL SHOWS MAIN LANE COME LTD. SO WHEN I DID THE OTHER RESEARCH ON THEM, MC SQUARE IS THE UMBRELLA COMPANY THAT MANAGES THE THREE SUBSIDIARY COMPANIES. >> THE OTHER COMPANY AND MAIN LANE IS A DBA UNDER THAT UMBRELLA. >> YES. [OVERLAPPING] >> MAY I COMMENT ON THIS? >> YES. >> IT TOOK ME TWO SECONDS TO FIND THIS ON THE INTERNET. >> THERE YOU GO. >> MC2 CIVIL, INC IS A HOLDING COMPANY THAT OVERSEES THE OPERATIONS OF TWO OPERATING COMPANIES; MAIN LANE INDUSTRIES AND MC2 OIL FIELD, LLC. GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT IN THE OILFIELD BUSINESS, I WOULD HAVE SUSPECT MOST OF OUR BUSINESS IS WITH MAIN LANE. >> MAIN LANE. >> WELL, MOST OF IT? MAYBE IT'S ALL OF IT. >> ALL OF IT, I THINK. >> THE OTHER ONE IS NORWEST, IS THE THIRD COMPANY THAT THEY HAD, AND WE DON'T DO ANY BUSINESS WITH THEM AS WELL. SO IT'S ALL MAIN LANE. YOU'LL SEE ON THEIR TRUCK, YOU'LL SEE MC SQUARED CIVIL, [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH. MAIN LANE, CORRECT. THE REASON WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE SO MANY CONTRACTS WITH THEM AND I'M STILL GETTING COMPLAINTS ON 45TH STREET. A PROJECT THEY DID, THEY DID A PROJECT THERE, 43RD. THEY DID 57 TOO; AM I CORRECT? >> YOU'RE CORRECT. I WILL HAVE TO LOOK. I THINK 57TH STREET, THEY ALSO DID 57TH STREET. >> IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE MY TIME, SIR. >> OKAY. [BACKGROUND] BASICALLY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE STILL HAVE A BUNCH OF ISSUES ON FLOODING. I'VE TALKED TO MR. BUCKLEY A NUMBER OF TIMES AND I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW THE ROUTE OF THE MAIN DISCHARGE [OVERLAPPING] >> YES. [01:40:01] >> HOW MANY WE HAVE? ONE OR TWO OR CAN YOU JUST NAME THEM? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STORM DRAINS? >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINS TO GET THE WATER OUT, THESE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY COMPLAINED ABOUT THE FLOOD. THEY'RE TOTALLY UPSET [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MAIN LANE? >> WELL, MAIN LANE IS THE COMPANY THAT'S DOING MOST OF THESE [OVERLAPPING] >> THEY ARE THE CONTRACTOR. THEY'RE NOT THE ENGINEER. [OVERLAPPING] THE ENGINEER WOULD BE THE CAUSE OF ANY FLOODING ISSUES. IF THEY'RE NOT GOING BY THE DRAWINGS THAT THE ENGINEER IS PROVIDING, THEN THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> THIS IS ALMOST THE SAME PROBLEM AS 74 STREET. WE HAVE ENGINEERS AND WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR. >> YES, SIR. I TOTALLY AGREE. MY SPECIALTY WITH PURCHASING IS CONSTRUCTION, ENGINEERS, AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. I TOTALLY AGREE [INAUDIBLE]. WE'RE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE DRAWINGS THAT WE GET. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE EITHER IN-HOUSE OR HIRING THE RIGHT PEOPLE, AND IT'S NEVER A 100 PERCENT CORRECT, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO GET THE CHANGE ON IT. I GUARANTEE YOU'RE GOING TO GET A CHANGE ON IT. IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE GROUND. WHEN YOU START DIGGING UP, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND SOMETHING NEW. [OVERLAPPING] MOVING BACK TO WHAT WAS SAID HERE, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THE ENGINEER DEVELOPS IT, CREATES IT, DESIGNS IT, AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK OR IN THIS CASE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR PRODUCES IT. NOW THE QUESTION IS, IF IT'S NOT DRAINING CORRECTLY, IS IT AN ENGINEERING ISSUE OR IS IT SOMETHING BEYOND THAT, THAT NO ONE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION? >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. [OVERLAPPING] >> BILL, I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC A LITTLE BIT HERE. WE HAD DOWN FOR THE MAIN TO DEFINE WHAT THE TERMS AND THE COMPANY NAMES WERE AND THE INTERRELATIONSHIP WITH THEM. >> LEGALLY, WE'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING [INAUDIBLE], SINCE 2015, SINCE WE RECEIVED THEIR W-9. WE'VE ISSUED THE PURCHASER ORDER TO MAIN LANE BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED. THAT'S CORRECT. THERE'S NO OTHER PSEUDO NAME THAT I LOOKED INTO OUR BANNER SYSTEM AND THERE WASN'T ANOTHER PSEUDO NAME IN THERE. >> OKAY. IS THIS GOING TO BE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE THROWN IN THE CMS, WHERE WE KNOW WHAT THE COMPANY IS, WHO THE OWNERS OF THE COMPANY ARE, AND SO FORTH? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW [OVERLAPPING] >> I DON'T SEE AN ANSWER, IT PROBABLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. IT'S OUR BID DOCUMENTS, WHATEVER WE REQUIRE FROM THE DOCUMENTS. RIGHT NOW WE KNOW WHO THE THE COMPANY OFFICIALS ARE. MIKE, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE STATE LAW ABOUT WHAT'S REQUIRED TO PUT A BID AND WE FOLLOW STATE LAW. IF YOU MIND, I'LL TALK TO HIM AFTER HE MEETING. >> PLUS WE DID [INAUDIBLE] CHECKS ON THE BACK-END, SO THEY'RE NOT IN GOOD STANDING STATE. THE ONLY ISSUE WOULD BE [OVERLAPPING] >> ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. THANKS. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ITEM 3D, AS IN DAVID. CITY CHARTERS IN RELATION TO THE COUNCIL MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, AND FINANCE DEPARTMENT CONCERNING THE BUDGET PROCESS. YES, BILL. >> I BROUGHT THIS UP, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING ME WHY I CAN'T DO THIS OR WHY CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN'T DO THAT ON THE COUNCIL. BASICALLY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT I EVEN MENTIONED HERE. I HOLD MY FINGERS UP TO FOUR. IT TAKES FOUR VOTES TO GET ANYTHING DONE, WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR BAD, WHETHER I LIKE IT OR SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T LIKE IT, IT TAKES FOUR VOTES. THEY ASKED ME ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE MAYOR IN TRENTON TOWN. THE BOTTOM LINE TO IT WITH THE EXCEPTION, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG THOUGH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CATASTROPHE, OR SOME KIND OF EMERGENCY THAT MAY OCCUR, THE MAYOR HAS THE POWER. HE HAS MORE POWER THAN THE CITY MANAGER HIMSELF. IF HE'S SICK OR WHATEVER. [OVERLAPPING] YES, STATE OF EMERGENCY, MR. COLLINS TAKES OVER BECAUSE HE ALSO CAN ASSUME THAT POWER IF YOU'RE OUT. BUT AFTER THAT, NO ONE HAS MORE POWER THAN ANYBODY ELSE HERE AT ALL, PERIOD. YOU'RE SAYING NO? >> NO. YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. >> THE ONLY ADMINISTRATIVE POWER THAT THE MAYOR HAS IS ADMINISTRATIVE POWER, THAT IS IT. HE CAN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CONTRACTS, HE CAN'T INTERFERE WITH STAFF. AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT? >> THE MAYOR IS TO PRESIDE AT THE MEETINGS. >> THAT'S BASICALLY THE FUNCTION. >> THE CEREMONIAL HEAD OF THE COUNCIL. ASIDE FROM THAT, HE HAS ONE OF SEVEN VOTES. >> CORRECT. I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT. I HOPE WHOEVER'S LISTENING TO THIS UNDERSTANDS THAT. BASICALLY AGAIN, AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY STATES, THAT IF ANYTHING IS DONE IT HAS TO HAVE UP TO ONE VOTE. IT CAN BE THREE TO ONE, FIVE TO ONE, TWO TO FIVE RIGHT, MURRAY? [LAUGHTER] UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ME WHY THIS AND WHY THAT AND I SAY THE MAGIC NUMBER IS FOUR NO MATTER WHAT. [01:45:03] LET'S TALK ABOUT SENIOR MANAGER IN THE FINANCE WAS DUE WITH THE PROCESS, THE BUDGET PROCESS. IN A NEWSPAPER, I READ WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS. IN THAT BUDGET PROCESS, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH IT, THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THE BUDGET. BUT IF YOU GO ON AND YOU KEEP READING WHICH WE ALL AGREE ABOUT THAT >> CHARTER HE USED TO BUDGET OFFICERS. [OVERLAPPING] >> HE'S BUDGET OFFICER. >> MY STAKE AS WELL, OKAY. >> THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I MADE A STATEMENT THAT THAT'S FINE, BUT WE CONTROL THE MONEY. WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT LINE ITEMS, HE ALSO STATED THAT THAT'S HIS PER THE CHARTER. AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT? >> I DON'T RECALL WHAT YOU'VE SAID. >> BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND REVIEW THE TAPE, YOU'LL SEE THAT. I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY WHEN YOU PRESENT IT, I REALLY APPRECIATED JOHN PAUL'S ARGUMENT THAT HE MADE. HE DID TO ME, THANK YOU THAT WAS A GREAT JOB, I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT GETTING BACK TO IT IS THE CITY MANAGER DOES THE BUDGET. BUT WE AS A COUNCIL COULD CHANGE IT AT OUR WILL SO AND SO BUT IN MY OPINION, IT WAS MISLEADING WHERE WE HAD TO PASS THE BUDGET BEFORE WE DID THE TAX RATE UNDER THE PREPAREDNESS OR APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET. IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE BUDGET, IT GOES BACK TO LAST YEAR'S BUDGET UNTIL WE CAN SATISFY THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. TO ME, IT LOOKED MISLEADING AS FAR AS WE NEED TO DO THIS AND THIS. THERE WAS NO OPTION GIVEN TO THIS COUNCIL. SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS OPTION HERE WHERE YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND USE LAST MONTH'S BUDGET SO WE CORRECT THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS MORE. AGAIN, MY OPINION IS THE TAX RATE IS WAY TOO HIGH, BUT FIVE PEOPLE ARE SELLING OR WHOEVER, FIVE PEOPLE PASSED IT. AGAIN, THERE'S THAT MAGIC NUMBER, FOUR-PLUS. >> THEY SAY THE SEQUENCE BILL THE AWAY I UNDERSTAND IT AND THE WAY OF HIS AGENDA WAS REQUESTED BY LEGAL. THEY FALL IN MY [OVERLAPPING] >> STATE LAW MANDATES THE PROCEDURE. >> YES. CORRECT. >> THAT'S WHY IT WAS IN THAT SEQUENCE. >> I'M NOT ARGUING ABOUT THE SEQUENCE. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS ONCE IT'S GONE TO THE PUBLIC AND WE WANTED TO CHANGE BECAUSE THEY USE THE WORD THE COUNCIL COULD CHANGE AS DESIRABLE. HAVE YOU READ IT? >> I HAVE. >> WHEN THEY USE THAT WORD, DESIRABLE, THAT MEANS THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS INCORRECT IN THAT STATEMENT THAT HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO HANDLE THE LINE OUT OF BUDGET. HE CAN MAKE IT HE CAN BRING TO THE COUNCIL. BUT IF WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO SAY, NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET X, Y, AND Z. WE CAN DO THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME. >> QUICK QUESTION. ARE YOU SAYING THAT COUNCIL HAS LINE-ITEM VETO POWER OVER INDIVIDUAL THINGS? [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, IN ESSENCE, IS RELATED TO THE BUDGET. I WOULD SAY, YES. >> I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> YOU CAN READ THAT IF YOU GO RIGHT TO UNDER THE FINANCE AND YOU GO DOWN TO PREPARING A BUDGET AND APPROVING A BUDGET RIGHT THERE IT STATES, IF WE CANNOT AGREE ON THE BUDGET, WE CAN TURN AROUND AND TAKE THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND USE IT UNTIL WE PASS THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING THAN THE LINE-ITEM VETOES [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT LINE-ITEM IS THE SAME THING AS A BUDGET. BUDGET IS PART OF IT [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'RE USING LAST YEAR'S BUDGET IN LIEU OF HAVING AN APPROVED BUDGET THIS YEAR THAT'S ONE THING. THAT'S THE LAW. WELL IF WE CAN'T AGREE ON A BUDGET, WE STICK WITH LAST YEAR'S UNTIL WE GET FOUR UNTIL WE GET STRAIGHT ON THIS. BUT THE SEPARATE QUESTION IS, IN REVIEWING THE NEW BUDGET, DO WE HAVE AS A GROUP LINE-ITEM VETO ON INDIVIDUAL, CAN WE TELL THE CITY MANAGER YOU CAN'T BUY THEM ANY CARS AS OPPOSED TO DON'T SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY? >> WELL, AS I READ AND IF YOU CAN CORRECT ME IT. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WHERE IT SAYS. >> WHAT AM I LOOKING AT? >> IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE FINANCE, DOWN TO THE BUDGET WHERE IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND IT'S PUBLIC HEARING. THEN AT A GIVEN POINT IN TIME, IT'S BASICALLY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR DISCRETION. I'M PARAPHRASING HERE, BUT THEY CAN CHANGE AS THEY SEE DESIRABLE. >> ARE YOU READING THE CHARTER [INAUDIBLE] >> WELL, THIS CHARTER. >> BILL THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS, AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE LEGAL LOOK AT, WE DON'T HAVE LINE-ITEM VETO POWER ON THIS BUDGET. [01:50:01] >> IS THAT STATED? I DON'T KNOW. I'M ASKING. >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ON IT AND I MAY BE INCORRECT. WE DO HAVE CONTROL OF THE BUDGET. IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THAT BUDGET. WE CAN CHANGE THAT AND THEN IT'S UP TO STAFF TO COME BACK AND MAKE THOSE LINE ITEM CHANGES TO MEET OUR [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN SAY I WANT FIVE MILLION TAKEN OFF THE BUDGET, [NOISE] AND IT'S UP TO THE [OVERLAPPING] >> YES SIR. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT IN WRITING. >> WELL, WE'LL GET OUR ESTEEMED ATTORNEY TO LET US KNOW, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT. I'M GOING IN AND DOING LINE ITEM CHANGES ON THE BUDGET. WE DON'T HAVE THAT POWER THE WAY I UNDERSTAND. >> BECAUSE THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S PERTINENT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT STATES ANYTHING ADDRESSING LINE ITEM. BECAUSE TO ME, THE LINE ITEM IS PART OF THE BUDGET, WHICH IS THE BUDGET PROCESS. THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT. >> IT STATES AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING THEREON, THE COUNCIL SHALL APPROVE AND ADOPT THE BUDGET BY THE SECOND REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, EITHER IN THE SAME FORM AS MINUTE BY THE CITY MANAGER OR WITH SUCH CHANGES AS THE COUNCIL MAY FIND IT NECESSARY OR DESIRABLE. >> THANK YOU. >> BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LINE ITEMS. >> [OVERLAPPING] ALL I'M SAYING DAVID IS THE LINE ITEM IS PART OF THE BUDGET. >> NO, I GET THAT. I MEAN SO I HAVE ZERO INTEREST IN RUNNING THE CITY OPERATIONS. [OVERLAPPING] >> I HAVE INTEREST IN PROTECTING THE TAXES THAT THE TAXPAYERS PAY. THAT'S WHERE I'M LOOKING AT. I DON'T RUN THE CITY, THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER'S JOB. >> BUT THERE'S A MIDDLE POINT IN THERE THAT CAN WE SAY TO THE CITY MANAGER? WE LIKE THIS BUDGET EXCEPT YOU DO SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE WANT YOU TO CUT THAT DOWN. >> WHY DO YOU KEEP PICKING ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY, THE COPS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. [LAUGHTER] WE SPENT TOO MUCH MONEY ON SANITATION. WE NEED TO FRAME THAT DOWN, DO WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT? >> NO, ONCE YOU'VE SET THE BUDGET THAT'S UP TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> NO WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS WHEN YOU'VE GOT TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE BUDGET ALLOCATED FOR CITY SANITATION. WE WANT THAT TRIMMED. >> WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? >> CAN WE DO THAT? >> ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER? YES. >> HE JUST READ IF IT'S DESIRABLE. HE HAS TO WORK WITH THE MONEY. WHEN I USED TO WORK IN A REAL-WORLD, MY BOSS SAYS YOU GOT $100 MILLION TO DEAL WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AND I HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT. IF I HAD TO MAKE A CUT HERE OR CUT THERE, THAT'S BEING A LEADER. YOU HAVE TO BE A LEADER THAT CUT AND SOMETIMES CUTTING, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE. BUT YOU GOT TO BE A LEADER TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE HARD. >> WHICH IS WHY WE PAY MR. MAXWELL [INAUDIBLE] >> YES I HAVE ALMOST A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S WHY I DEPEND ON HIM TO RUN THE CITY. >> FIVE ITEMS, TIME SPECIFICS, IT'S ORDINARY CHANGES SUCH AS WHEN THE PANDEMIC CAME IN, AS I RECALL THE ADMINISTRATION PUT TRAUMATIC BRAKES ON SPENDING. >> BUT THAT WAS A JUSTIFIABLE DECISION BECAUSE NOT ONLY HAS THE CITY PUSHED BACK ON ITS WORK, SO HAS THE PRIVATE SECTOR. JUST LIKE THE GARBAGE TRUCK, WE CAN'T GET GARBAGE TRUCKS BECAUSE WHY? THEY BLAME IT ALL ON THE PANDEMIC. >> JOHN, [OVERLAPPING] LET ME SUGGEST THIS, COUNCILWOMAN, WHOEVER BRINGS UP THE POINT ABOUT LINE ITEM AND THE ROLE OF COUNCIL IN ADDRESSING CHANGES IN THE BUDGET. [NOISE] WOULD YOU GIVE US SOME RESEARCH ON THAT AND RENDER OPINION ON THAT FOR COUNCIL ON OUR ROLE ON LINE ITEM CHANGES? >> I'D BE HAPPY TO. >> LET'S MOVE ON. THANK YOU, DON. [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING]. >> ONE THING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FACTS ARE STATED CORRECTLY. >> YES, SIR. >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET AND THE TAX RATE, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO PASS THE BUDGET BEFORE YOU PASS THE TAX RATE. >> CORRECT. >> IF YOU DON'T AGREE ON A BUDGET, WHAT THE CHARTER ACTUALLY SAYS IS IT TAKES EFFECT IN THE FORM CURRENTLY PRESENTED BY THE CITY MANAGER AT THAT TIME. THEN AFTER THE FIRST YEAR, THE COUNCIL CAN STILL COME BACK AND MODIFY IT. >> WE'LL GET TO THAT [OVERLAPPING] BUT IT'S GOOD FOR ME. [OVERLAPPING] >> I [INAUDIBLE] IN THE LAST [OVERLAPPING]. >> YEAH. ACTUALLY, MIKE IS CORRECT. [NOISE] IT'S THE LAST ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED. [01:55:01] >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE LAST ONE. WE GO BACK TO THE LAST ONE. >> NO, [OVERLAPPING] THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED. >>DID YOU SAY PROPOSED [OVERLAPPING] OR THE LAST? >> YES. >> YOU KNOW IT'S PROPOSED BUDGET. [OVERLAPPING]. >> IT SAYS PROPOSED. >> THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. >> WELL, IT'S IN THE SAME SECTIONS. [OVERLAPPING]. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE BUDGET HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED BY GETTING OVER FISCAL YEAR. THE LATEST BUDGET PROPOSED BY THE CITY MANAGER SHALL TAKE AND REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL THE BUDGET IS FINALLY ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL. >> IN THE CASE OF THE TAX RATE, IF YOU CAN'T AGREE ON THE TAX RATE, THE RATE WILL REVERT TO [OVERLAPPING] THE LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE OR THE NO-NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. >> CORRECT. >> THEN, IS THAT BASED ON LAST YEAR'S BUDGET? >> NO [OVERLAPPING] ADOPT A TAX RATE. >> IT'S JUST THE RATE ON. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RATE, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IF THE RATE WOULD AFFECT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. IF THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS 215. DOES IT EQUATE TO THAT BUDGET? OR DOES IT EQUATE TO THE BUDGET WHICH IS, WELL, WE HAVEN'T PASSED, WHICH WOULD BE THE 315. >> AT THAT POINT IT DOESN'T EQUATE TO EITHER. YOU CAN'T DRAW THAT CONCLUSION. >> RIGHT. >> THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE STANDALONE REQUIREMENTS, BUT THE FUNDING IS NOT AGREED TO. IT TAKES EFFECT AS PROPOSED IN THE MOST RECENT VERSION FROM THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE TAX RATE DETERMINATION COMES FROM STATE LAW THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU DON'T AGREE ON A TAX RATE, YOU EITHER REVERT TO LAST YEAR'S RATES OR THE NO-NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICHEVER IS LESS. >> CORRECT. >> THAT WOULD DRAW CHANGES TO OPERATIONS BECAUSE THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS OF DIFFERENT AMOUNT. >> I AGREE. [INAUDIBLE]. >> JOHN. IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET'S MOVE ON. COULD YOU RENDER AN OPINION AND GIVE A WRITTEN REPORT TO COUNCIL ON THIS, JOHN? >> I'D BE HAPPY. >> OF COURSE, MIKE CAN GIVE INPUT ON THAT TOO, TO HELP CLARIFY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE. >> OF COURSE. >> THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE BILL? >> NO, SIR. >> WE HAVE A STATUS OF THE PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BY THE CITY. >> YES, BILL. >> THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP, YOU GUYS IN THE IDC, APPROVED MONIES FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT PERSON HERE AT THE CITY. MY QUESTION IS, WHY DO WE HAVE BOTH? YOU HAVE ONE DOING ONE THING AND WE HAVE THE CITY, BUT AREN'T THEY BOTH DOING THE SAME? >> NO. WE DISCUSSED [OVERLAPPING] >> WHAT WAS THE CLARIFICATION? >> WE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH AT IDC AT TWO MEETINGS ON THIS. MICHELLE COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT OUT? I'M GOING TO LET YOU COME UP BECAUSE THAT'S YOUR ROLE. COUNSEL QUIROGA'S QUESTION IS, WE'RE FUNDING GEDP AND WE ALSO HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR AND YOURSELF. WHY DO WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE FUNDED BY IDC. >> PERFORMANCE SHOW GETS TO IT. I'LL TELL YOU FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. >> YES. >> GEDP IS A TOOL FOR US. IT'S A TOOL MICHELLE USES AS SHE NEEDS TO ADVANCE HER OBJECTIVES AND HER INITIATIVES AS ASSIGNED BY THE CITY. GEDP HAS RESOURCES WHERE WE MAY NOT HAVE RESOURCES, WE'D UTILIZE THEM IN THAT INSTANCE. THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS AND IT'S DRIVEN TO FUNCTION. YEARS AGO, CITY DIDN'T HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF. TOTALLY WE WERE DEPENDENT ON GEDP AND THE ROLE WAS OUTSOURCED TO THE GEDP. OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE'VE TRIED TO FINE TUNE THAT, BRING IT IN HOUSE OURSELVES. REALLY THE FIRST PROFESSIONAL THAT IS FULLY ASSIGNED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY. SHE'S HERE, SHE ADVANCES THE INITIATIVES SET BY COUNSEL. AS NECESSARY, WE LEVERAGE THE RESOURCE OF GEDP TO ASSIST US IN ADVANCE OF THOSE GOALS. THERE'S AN AGREEMENT. JEFF SJOSTROM MADE A PRESENTATION, THE IDC TALKED ABOUT DELIVERABLES, WHICH WE'VE HELPED PASSED THEM ALL, WE WANT THAT FROM THEM. I THINK AS WE KEEP PROGRESSING DOWN THIS PATH WE'RE GETTING A BETTER AND BETTER REFINED PROCESS. BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE PROCESS IS HERE NOW. >> EXACTLY AND FROM BOTTOM LINE. THEY SERVE AS A CONSULTANT AND A RESOURCE FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPER AND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR. >> RIGHT NOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT IF SHE NEEDS THE TOOLS TO DO A MORE EFFICIENT JOB AND WE HAVE TO GO TO JEFF SJOSTROM WHY DON'T WE GET TOOLS TO DO THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING THEM, WE'RE ALSO PAYING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROFESSIONAL HERE. [02:00:01] SHE SHOULD HAVE THE EXPERTISE AS WELL AS JEFF SJOSTROM TO DO THE SAME JOB. >> IT'S MORE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF RESOURCES. DO WE NEED THEM FULL TIME? PROBABLY DON'T. IT'S BEST FOR US WHEN WE NEED ONE-OFF TYPE PROJECTS. INSTEAD OF HAVING SOMEBODY SIT HERE AND NOT HAVE ASSIGNED WORK, WE CAN TAKE A ONE-OFF PROJECT TO GEDP AND HAVE THEM DO IT FOR US. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER HERE TO DO ALL THOSE SIMPLE THING. THEY ALSO HAVE SOME TOOLS THAT WE HAVE NOT PURCHASED THAT THEY CAN UTILIZE TO DEVELOP DEMOGRAPHICS AND THINGS WE NEED AS WE ADVANCED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR MEET WITH POTENTIAL PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LOCATE BUSINESSES HERE. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT GEDP OWNS, THEY LEVERAGE AND WE BUY THAT RESOURCE FROM THEM. >> FIRST, THERE'S ALWAYS THIS SIDE. SIDE PLANNERS ARE PEOPLE THAT COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING OUT. THEY DON'T WANT TO MEET WITH THE CITY. >> THEY DON'T WANT IT PUBLIC. >> THEY DON'T WANT IT PUBLIC, THEY DON'T WANT TO STAY UNDER THE RADAR UNTIL THEY'RE MAKING A DECISION. THAT'S THE OTHER KEY PART THAT THE GEDP PLAYS. >> THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE TOOL CITYWIDE FOR GEDP. I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SUPPORTED COMMUNITY WIDE BY A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE BRINGING THAT TO THE TABLE. PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME TO US. ONCE THEY COME TO US, IT'S PUBLIC. WE DON'T DO ANYTHING IN THE SECRET. IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT MOVING HERE, IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION FOR THEM. THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. A GROCERY STORE COMPANY FOR EXAMPLE, SAY, I'M GOING TO MOVE AND THEN THE OTHER GROCERY STORES AND ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. THEY WON'T BE YOUR FIRST THEY WANTED SECURE THAT POSITION. THEY DON'T WANT IT PUBLIC SO. >> THEY CAN ACTUALLY TAKE US OFF THE LIST, WHICH HAS HAPPENED BECAUSE OF SOMETHING BECOMING PUBLIC. >> I DON'T KNOW BILL, IF YOU WERE HERE OR NOT WHEN THE GEDP DID THEIR PRESENTATION IDC. BUT YOU MAY HAVE BEEN GONE, BUT [BACKGROUND] I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. THEY'RE VALUABLE RESOURCE FOR THE CITY. I WOULD SAY THIS, I THINK IT'S $50,000 THAT IDC FINES THEM. WE ARE GETTING FAR MORE BENEFIT THAN $50,000. >> HOW MANY JOBS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP COME TO THE CITY? >> THEY CAN GIVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS [OVERLAPPING]. >> THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO GIVE US THOSE. [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S THE LACK OF A MEASURABLE GOAL THAT WE'VE NOW ESTABLISHED WITH THEM. WE WANT MORE SETTING SPECIFIC GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THEM. THIS IS YOUR DELIVERABLE, WE WANT YOU TO DELIVER 10 JOBS A 100 JOBS, 1000 JOBS, SOMETHING WE CAN MEASURE AGAINST TO SAY, YES OUR $50,000 BEING WELL SPENT, YOURS IS TO DEVELOP REPORTS FOR US ON-DEMAND. YEAH, THEY DELIVER THAT, ARE WE GETTING VALUE FOR OUR $50,000. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. >> WE WERE WASTING MONEY IN THE PAST. >> OUR CASE NOW I DIDN'T SAY WE WERE WASTING MONEY IN THE PAST, NO. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU GUYS DID [OVERLAPPING] >> WELL, BEFORE YOU START MICHELLE, THAT MAY HAVE ANSWERED COUNSEL QUIROGA'S QUESTION [OVERLAPPING] >> NOW, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WASN'T EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT PROMOTIONS. I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER LITTLE NOTES THAT I'VE CHECKED THAT DON'T RELATE TO THAT. BUT YEAH, YOU CANNOT BUILD AN APARTMENT NO.1. I'M NOT SURE I CAN ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE GOAL WISE AND HOPEFULLY THAT YOU GUYS WILL BE IN SETTING FOR ME [INAUDIBLE]. >> AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP. THESE ITEMS HERE IS I'M GETTING AS [OVERLAPPING] >> GO BACK AND WATCH THE LAST MEETING. >> I'M BEING ASKED BY THE CONSTITUENCY OUT THERE WHY THIS, WHY THAT, WHY DO WE HAVE THIS IN THE CITY? WHY DO WE HAVE SO AND SO FORTH? AGAIN, WHEN I LEAVE HERE, I WANT TO BE KNOWN AS SOMEONE WHO TOOK CARE, A GOOD STEWARD OF THE TAXPAYERS' MONEY. >> ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU EVER HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M AN OPEN BOOK, SO FEEL FREE TO CALL ME [OVERLAPPING]. >> AS LONG AS I GO THROUGH BRIAN, AIN'T THAT RIGHT, MAYOR? >> YES, SIR. [LAUGHTER] >> NO NEED TO CRY. >> BUT JUST TO UNDERSTAND TOO WITH THE COMMENT YOU JUST MADE ABOUT BEING A GOOD, WELL, NOT YOU BUT HIM, THE GOOD STEWARD OF THE TAXPAYERS, THE MONEY COMES FROM THE 4D SALES TAX. THIS DOESN'T COME FROM PROPERTY TAX. >> OR SALES TAX? >> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, IT IS A TAX PLAN IF I AGREE, AND I BELIEVE, I WATCH OUT FOR PAYMENTS AND WHAT THE CITY IS DOING ALL THE TIME. >> LET'S MOVE ON, MAYOR. WE'VE GOT TWO MORE [OVERLAPPING] HANDS TO GO. >> LET'S CANCEL THIS, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 3GF, RECENT PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE MALFUNCTION. PHIL? >> I HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND SAFETY AND SO FORTH, [02:05:01] I DON'T WANT TO REALLY GET INTO THAT. BUT WHEN I READ THIS WE GOT THE EMAILS ABOUT THE MISHAP OVER THE BRIDGE. WHEN I USED TO WORK THERE, THERE USED TO BE A MANUAL CRANK, OR THERE USED TO BE AN OPPOSITION. YOU COULD MANUALLY BRING IT DOWN. >> STILL THERE. >> STILL THERE, BUT THE MOTOR FAILED. THE BRAKES LOCKED. THERE WAS NO WAY TO MANUALLY LOWER IT, BUT THE WHOLE GIST TO THIS IS I'LL LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. I WAS HOPING WE HAD SOMEBODY HERE FROM NAVIGATION JUST TO GET ALONG WITH THE NAVIGATION DISTRICT, TXDOT, THE PORT, TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HAVE A CONTINGENCY, TO HAVE SOME DOCKING OVER HERE AT PELICAN ISLAND IN CASE THIS HAPPENS. THAT BRIDGE IS ON ITS LAST LEG. IF WE HAVE A STORM AND IT'S WIPED OUT, WE'RE SUNK. WELL, THIS WAY WE CAN SEE IF WE HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE THROUGH GRANTS OR WHATEVER. I TALKED TO ROGER REES, TALKED TO MR. JOHN KELSEY, [NOISE] AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PEOPLE. WHAT WOULD BE THE FEASIBILITY TO DO A FEASIBLE SITE, TO GO TO PELICAN ISLAND AND HAVE THIS FOR A CONTINGENCY? IN CASE THE BRIDGE WAS TO BREAK DOWN, WE HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT CAN RIDE BACK AND FORTH. >> WE HAVE A STATION, A PUMPER ON PELICAN ISLAND NOW, SO WE HAVE A PUMPER THERE. WE HAVE CONTINGENCIES IN PLACE TO ONCE WE'RE NOTIFIED OF A BRIDGE FAILURE OF ANY TYPE TO PLACE POLICE VIA THE MARINE DIVISION ON PELICAN ISLAND SO WE CAN DEAL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. OUR WATER SEWER ARE NOT LOCATED ON THE BRIDGE, SO THEY'RE INDEPENDENT OF THE BRIDGE. THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. WE HAVE THESE CONTINGENCIES IN PLACE. EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ALSO HAS A POLICY THAT'S IN DRAFT DEALING WITH WHETHER THERE ARE AGENCIES FROM THE STATE IF WE EVER HAD TO EVACUATE PELICAN ISLAND, LONG-TERM. THAT WOULD BE A STATE REQUEST, WOULD GO THROUGH OUR STAR SYSTEM. THE STATE RESOURCES WILL BE ROUTED TO DO THAT AND SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A UNIVERSITY BEING THERE. BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE RECENTLY BEEN BROUGHT BACK UP THE LIGHT AS A RESULT OF THIS FAILURE. WE REALLY WERE NOT EVEN NOTIFIED. IT WAS A SLOW PROCESS, BUT ALL OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED. MATTER OF FACT, I GET CALLS ALMOST DAILY FROM THE OPERATORS OF PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE. WE'RE GOING TO TEST IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, NEW MOTORS ARE INSTALLED. THEY TOLD US THEY HAVE FIXED THE PROBLEM THAT CAUSED THIS FAILURE. >> I UNDERSTAND AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, NOT WRONG, BUT I THINK WE NEED AN ALTERNATE WAY TO GET TO THE ISLAND BACK AND FORTH. PEOPLE WANT TO TRAVEL IN THEIR [NOISE] OWN CARS, EMERGENCY. YOU GOT THAT IF WE NEED HELICOPTERS, WE PROBABLY WOULD SEND SOMEBODY, SO ON AND SO FORTH. BUT THIS WILL CUT DOWN TO PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH TO WORK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IF THAT BRIDGE WAS TO COLLAPSE OR FAIL, WE ARE IN WATER AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE IS STUCK. >> CORRECT. >> ALL I'M SAYING IS WE NEED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER PLAN WHERE WE COULD PUT A DOCKING SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO, LET'S SAY THE COPPER WORKS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO NEED THE DEEP WATER IN CASE, WE CAN WORK OUT AN AGREEMENT WITH TXDOT TO GO BACK AND FORTH. >> UNLESS WE BUILD A NEW BRIDGE. >> WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MARIE. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT MEETING I WAS IN, BUT COMMISSIONER KEN CLARK WAS TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS IT'S TPC OR WHATEVER, LEAVING THE BRIDGE IN CLOSED POSITION UNTIL SOMETHING IS DONE BECAUSE THE MONEY [OVERLAPPING] >> WE HAD OFFERED THAT UP. >> THE CITY HAD OFFERED THAT. >> NAVIGATION DISTRICTS WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COAST GUARD. THEY DO IT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. AT THIS LAST FAILURE, THEY DID THAT ON A TEMPORARY BASIS UNTIL THEY CAN ENSURE THE BRIDGE BE FULLY FUNCTIONAL AGAIN. WE OFFERED THAT UP AS A PROPOSAL TO THEM. I THINK IF WE HAD ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS WITH THE LIFT SPAN ON THE BRIDGE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GAIN MORE AND MORE TRACTION, I THINK COUNCILOR CAREW IS TALKING ABOUT A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF THE BRIDGE THAT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS, TO TRY TO GET THE PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE REPLACED AND WE HAVE BEEN FOUGHT WITH ROADBLOCKS AT EVERY TURN. WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO AGAIN, COME TO COUNCIL WITH THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT ALL THE LOCAL PARTIES ARE GOING TO AGREE TO ADVANCE THE INITIATIVE TO GET A NEW BRIDGE. >> I KNOW PART OF THE KEEPING IN CLOSED SAVED FIVE MILLION. >> IT WOULD SAVE SUBSTANTIAL, [OVERLAPPING] A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR PROBABLY. >> PROBABLY ABOUT 900,000 A YEAR, IT WOULD SAVE THE NAVIGATION DISTRICT. IT'S A COAST GUARD. THERE'S A LOT OF DECISIONS TO BE MADE ON THAT. WE HAVE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD TO THE NAVIGATION IN HERE FOR YOU, ESPECIALLY AFTER THIS MALFUNCTION. >> WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE [OVERLAPPING] >> ANY OPERATION IS DICTATED BY THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS. >> THAT IT HAS TO OPERATE. >> WELL, THE WHOLE BOTTOM LINE TO THIS THING IS [02:10:01] SOME CONTINGENCY GETTING OVER TO THAT ISLAND. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, WHETHER IT'S THE NAVIGATION DISTRICT, THE PORT, TXDOT. WHAT CAN WE DO NOW? CATASTROPHICALLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PROBLEM, ANOTHER MOTOR GO DOWN, WE CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING FOR IT TO COME IN FROM CHINA. I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND [OVERLAPPING] >> LOUISIANA, JUST THE OTHER SIDE. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT'S THE WHOLE THING. WE NEED TO EXPLORE THAT. >> POINT WELL TAKEN. >> WE'VE GOT IT ADDRESSED FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES, WE'VE GOT THAT ADDRESSED, WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. IT'S A GOOD EFFECTIVE AND A PLAN THAT WE CAN FUNCTION WITH. >> THIS PLAN IS ADDRESSING WHAT COUNCILMAN CAREW WAS SAYING ABOUT [OVERLAPPING] >> NOT A FULL EVACUATION OF THE ISLAND AND DAILY SERVICE TO THE ISLAND. NO, SIR. THIS HAS TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE IF THE BRIDGE IS STUCK IN AN OPEN POSITION. >> BUT WE HAVE IN THAT PLAN TO MOVE PEOPLE ON AND OFF THAT ISLAND? >> THAT WOULD BECOME A STATE ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE SCOPE OF THE ACTIVITIES. WE'D LOOK FOR STATE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. >> HENCE, THAT'S WHY I SAID WE NEED TO GET ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS TOGETHER, SEE IF WE CAN FIND MONIES TO DO THAT. >> WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT WITH TITO. >> WITH WHO? >> WORKING WITH TITO. >> TITO. >> THAT COULD GET A FEW MORE RESOURCES ON THAT. >> I THINK IF YOU DON'T MIND, KEEP THE COUNCIL UPDATED. >> SURE. I'M GLAD TO DO THAT. >> ON WHAT'S GOING ON. IF WE NEED TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE TO COME AND MEET WITH YOU AND ALL HAIL, THAT'S FINE. >> I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT THERE ARE RESOURCES WITHIN THE CITY'S FINANCES TO PROVIDE DAILY FERRY SERVICE TO PELICAN ISLAND? >> WELL, I THINK WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THAT. WE GET TAX REVENUE FROM ACROSS THAT CHANNEL, DON'T WE? >> WE DO. >> WE GET SOME. >> SHEILA PROBABLY HAS SOME NEWS AS WELL. >> EXCUSE ME. >> SHEILA HAS OFFERED SOME SUGGESTIONS. >> SHE HAS. >> BUT IT TAKES DAILY ON THERE. >> MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE NEED TO LOOK INTO IT IF WE CAN AND COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION FOR AN ALTERNATE SAFETY. >> YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT COUNCIL COROGA'S CONCERNS? >> I WILL TELL YOU THAT HAS NOT BEEN OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY. OUR HIGHEST PRIORITY IS GETTING THE BRIDGE BUILT, BUT WE HAVE ADDRESSED FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH BEING ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ON AND OFF THE ISLAND. >> PUBLIC SAFETY, I AGREE WITH YOU, NOT A PROBLEM. >> OKAY. >> WE'LL ADVANCE THAT INITIATIVE. >> ITEM G, BILL, IDC, 23RD STREET PROJECT. THE ONLY REASON I KNOW ABOUT THIS IS, MARY, YOU BROUGHT IT UP, IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE IDC, IT WAS PASSED AND I BELIEVE YOU-ALL ALLOCATED $3 MILLION DOLLARS FOR IT. >> YES, I THINK APPROXIMATELY. >> WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT? WHO SUGGESTED IT? WHO DID THE STUDIES ON IT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR BECAUSE $3 MILLION DOLLARS IS A LOT OF MONEY JUST TO GO FROM CHURCH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, I GUESS, STRAND. >> STRAND. >> WE DID PASS THIS. THIS CAME TO COUNCIL AND WE'VE APPROVED THIS. DAVID, I'M GOING TO LET YOU GIVE THAT BACKGROUND. I CAN DO IT. >> WELL, THIS DID COME TO COUNCIL. IT WAS APPROVED. >> WHO BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL? WHY WAS IT INITIATED? IN OTHER WORDS, DID MR. BUCKLEY SAY, HEY, WE WANT $3 MILLION DOLLARS TO REPAIR. WHAT WAS THE ORGANIZATION THAT DID THAT? >> ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN ME AND MR. MAXWELL. >> MR. MAXWELL BROUGHT THAT TO IDC. >> YEAH, AND BRANDON COOK AS WELL BECAUSE, HE'S THE CITY STAFFER ON IDC. THIS 23RD STREET, THIS IS A PILOT PROJECT TO DO SEVERAL THINGS. ONE, TO INCREASE WALKABILITY, LIGHTING, SHADE, BIG PORTION OF IT IS DRAINAGE, TO PREVENT WAKE WAVES GOING INTO BUSINESSES, WHICH WAS A MAJOR PROBLEM IN NOT JUST HARVEY, BUT SEVERAL STORMS AROUND IT AND SO MAKING IT. THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE SWALES GOING IN, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO DRAINAGE DOWN THERE. ALSO MORE PLANTING, THAT KIND OF THING. WE'RE TESTING OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. IF IT WORKED ON 23RD STREET THEN WE CAN DO IT ON THE OTHER NUMBERED STREETS DOWNTOWN. AT BOTTOM, IT WAS TO PROVIDE A SAFE, LIGHTED, WALKABLE ROUTE FROM POST OFFICE [OVERLAPPING], RESTAURANT DISTRICT, AND THE STRAND SHOPPING DISTRICT. THAT WAS THE IDEA. THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT DOING ALL OF THE STREETS AND WE KNEW THAT FOR $3 MILLION DOLLARS, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ALL OF THOSE STREETS, [02:15:01] SO WE CHOSE 23RD STREET BECAUSE THERE'S MOST ACTIVE BUSINESS THERE. THE IDEA BEING THAT, IF THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO OPEN A BOUTIQUE OR A COFFEE SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT SOMEPLACE THEY DON'T FIND ATTRACTIVE, SOMEPLACE THEY DON'T SEE PEOPLE WALKING, SOMEPLACE THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WALKING DAY OR NIGHT. >> I'M SORRY. >> AGREED. >> THAT WAS THE IMPETUS BEHIND IT AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WE'VE GOT WORKING DOWN THERE. THIS IS FUNDED BY IDC [NOISE] AS MURRAY SAYS, IT'S ONLY TAX MONEY. WE'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER INITIATIVE TO FIND SOME TOURIST FUNDING. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, AGAIN MONEY THAT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S POCKET, DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE PROPERTY TAXES, TO ADD SOME PLANTING, TO DO MORE CLEANING DOWNTOWN. JUST GENERALLY TO CLEAN IT UP, MAKE IT A BRIGHTER NICER LOOKING PLACE FOR BOTH TOURISTS AND RESIDENTS TO LIVE AND SHOP BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD. TEN YEARS AGO, PRACTICALLY NOBODY LIVED DOWNTOWN. REALLY VERY FEW PLACES DOWN THERE, NOW THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE LIVING DOWN THERE. IT'S BECOME A REAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ACTIVE DAY AND NIGHT. >> I'VE SEEN IT GROW OVER THE YEARS, I AGREE. I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWNTOWN IN YEARS. >> SHAME ON YOU, BILL. >> TODAY, WHAT I'M LEADING TO IS, I LOOK AT IT AS $3 MILLION SPENT THAT WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AND BRING IT TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, "HEY DO WE REALLY WANT TO SPEND THIS ON 23RD STREET?" >> WE DID. >> OR DO WE WANT- >> IT DID COME TO COUNCIL. >> WHEN DID IT COME TO COUNCIL? I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. >> YOU VOTED AGAINST IT. >> I VOTED AGAINST IT BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] LET ME EXPLAIN THE REASON WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT. >> [INAUDIBLE], CAME TO COUNCIL ON AUGUST 12TH. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. WELL, I WAS THE ONE WHO OPPOSED IT, THE REASON WHY, IS I DIDN'T KNOW IT. >> YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT? I'M SORRY. >> I OPPOSED IT. >> YES, YOU DID. >> THE REASON WHY I OPPOSED IT WAS VERY SIMPLE. WE'RE SPENDING $3 MILLION ON XYZ. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE MAYOR. JOHN PAUL MADE A COMMENT, WE NEED TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DRAWINGS, NO NOTHING TO TELL ME WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO, YOU SAY BREAK BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT TELLS ME, THIS IS THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE WHOLE THING, WE'RE GOING TO PASS THIS AND THEN WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN IT. YES, SIR? [OVERLAPPING] >> I THINK, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT MEETING, THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAD IS, IT HAD A LIST LIKE A SUMMARY, LIKE TEN THINGS. [INAUDIBLE] IF WE GET MAYBE MORE VISUAL OR A LITTLE BIT BETTER SCOPE AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE. BUT IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK THERE'S TEN ITEMS, [OVERLAPPING] AT LEAST SOMETHING LIKE THAT 8 TO 10. >> YEAH, SOMETHING WE DID. YOU'RE RIGHT. [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE THE SAME COULD BE TRUE, SAME CAN BE SAID OF THE FIVE TO SIX MILLION DOLLARS WE'RE SPENDING ON SANDHILL CRANE PARK. >> YEAH, BILL BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD POINT FROM THE STANDPOINT AND WE'RE CORRECTING THAT NOW. I KNOW, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO MICHELLE ABOUT THAT. WHEN WE BRING THESE ITEMS FROM IDC, WHEN THEY'RE APPROVED AND COME TO COUNCIL, YOU NEED TO HAVE GOOD BACKGROUND MATERIAL AND A LOT OF INFORMATION TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. >> I AGREE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME OUT HERE AND YOU TELL ME YOU NEED $3 MILLION, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR WHAT? AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE WAS NO DRAWINGS. NO NOTHING. I MEAN, ACTUAL WORK. IF YOU WANT THE X AMOUNT [OVERLAPPING] OF DOLLARS FROM ME, I WANT TO SEE WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT. WHAT AM I GOING TO PAY FOR? >> WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT, AND MICHELLE IS CORRECTING THAT, WE WON'T SEE THAT TYPE OF LACK OF INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE, BILL. THAT WAS BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER ON THIS. I THINK, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE I SIT THERE, PAUL DOES AND DAVID AND MARIE AND WE KNOW ABOUT HIM. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL, THIS IS NEW TO YOU AND SO YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT SAME INFORMATION OR EVEN MORE SO. >> THAT'S WHY I'VE STARTED TO ATTEND THE MEETINGS. >> THAT'S BEEN GOOD. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON THAT. >> BUT AGAIN, I'D LIKE SEE WHERE WE NEED THE MONIES WE NEED TO DEAL WITH LIGHTING [OVERLAPPING] HER LIGHTING ISSUES ME. I WOULD'VE VOTED THREE MILLION DOLLARS TO GET DISTRICT 1 FOR THE LIGHTING IN THAT AREA. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER TIME, ANOTHER SUBJECT. >> IT IS. AS I SAID, SANDHILL CRANE, WE'RE SPENDING ALMOST $6 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE SANDHILL CRANE SOCCER COMPLEX. COUNCIL HAS NOT SEEN ANYTHING ON THAT. >> YOU BROUGHT THAT TO IDC? >> YES, EXACTLY. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DRAWINGS, BUT WE SEE THEM AT IDC, WE DON'T SEE THEM IN COUNCIL. >> BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS HERE AND I REVIEWED ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT MICHELLE BROUGHT UP, SO I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. >> LET'S LOOK, I THINK WE'VE TALKED THAT OUT. BILL, DID YOU GET YOUR SATISFACTION ON WHAT YOU WANTED ON THAT? [02:20:02] >> YES. >> [BACKGROUND] OKAY. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ITEM 3H AND NOW WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 3H, PLEASE, CHANEL. >> ITEM 3H, REPORT OF CITY COUNCIL PART 1 REPRESENTATIVE. [3.H. Report Of City Council's Park Board Representative (Collins/Brown - 10 Minutes) ] >> I WILL TRY TO NOT MAKE THIS LAST TILL LUNCH. ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY [INAUDIBLE] HOW MUCH TIME I HAVE. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> IT'S GOING TO BE HERE AT 11:30 [OVERLAPPING] >> THE FOOD IS HERE AT 11:30. [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU HEARD BRYSON FRAZIER'S REPORT ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL SOFTWARE AND THE DEVELOPMENT THERE, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS REALLY AN UPDATE ON BABE'S BEACH, MORE THAN 300,000 CUBIC YARDS OF SAND HAD BEEN PLACED ALONG THE BEACH WEST OF 61ST STREET, THAT PROJECT IS NOW COMPLETE. THEY'RE DEMOBILIZING, THEY MAY HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT OFF THERE NOW OTHER THAN A FEW THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AT SOME POINT IS CONCESSIONS ON THAT PORTION OF THE BEACH, BECAUSE AS THE BEACH GOES OUT, DO WE HAVE VENDORS, DO WE RENT CHAIRS, UMBRELLAS, THAT KIND OF THING. IT SEEMS LIKE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ORDINANCE ONLY ALLOWS THE PARK BOARD TO SELL CONCESSIONS TO ABOUT 75TH STREET. >> 81ST. >> IT'S 81ST, THANK YOU. WE WANT TO EXTEND THAT ALL THE WAY. BUT THE REASON WE'RE NOT EVEN SELLING THEM TO 81ST IS THERE IS NO ACCESS TO THE SAND, BECAUSE THERE USED TO BE NO SAND. THERE ARE NO RAMPS, THERE'S NO ACCESS FOR A VENDOR OUT THERE, THEY HAVE TO COME IN AT 61ST STREET AND TRAVEL DOWN THE SAND [OVERLAPPING] >> TWENTY BLOCKS. >> WHAT'S THAT? >> BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO 20 BLOCKS ALMOST. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH. THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. PARK BOARD'S WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO TALK, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE 50 FOOT [OVERLAPPING] IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT PROVIDING SOME BETTER ACCESS DOWN THERE FROM BEFORE. ONCE WE GET THAT RESOLVED, THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCIL TO TALK ABOUT EXPANDING THE AREA OF CONCESSION. >> WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING, JANUARY 6TH, A SPECIAL MEETING JUST WITH PARK BOARD ON STEWART BEACH PARK, SEAWOLF PARK, AND EAST END LAGOON. >> DAVID, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. [OVERLAPPING] MARIE [OVERLAPPING] >> [BACKGROUND] I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE [OVERLAPPING] PRIVATE-PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP HOTEL. [OVERLAPPING] WAS THERE ANY MONEY [NOISE] SPENT ON AS FAR AS CONSULTANTS AND SO FORTH? >> YES. PARK BOARD, IN TWO INCREMENTS, HAS SPEND ABOUT A $140,000 ON DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST DEVELOPMENT OF PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT ON DECIDING WHAT WE CAN DO DOWN THERE, HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THAT, THE NOTION OF A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. IT HAS GROWN OVER THE LAST YEAR TO YEAR-AND-A-HALF, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE A LONG TIME NOW. THIS GROWS OUT OF THE LAST TIME WE DID HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH PARK BOARD, WHICH WAS SIX MONTHS AGO, WE APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH INVESTIGATING PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. >> GOT IT. MY QUESTION IS, WITH THE LAND THAT WAS DONATED, IT STATES THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IT, AND NOBODY KNEW THAT [OVERLAPPING]. >> WHAT? YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO WHAT? >> BUILD A HOTEL. >> YEAH. IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY THAT THOUGH [NOISE] THAT IS MY FEELING AS WELL THAT [OVERLAPPING] >> I MEAN, I READ IT AND IT WAS [OVERLAPPING] >> IT SAYS, FOR THE PERPETUAL AMUSEMENT AND ENTERTAINMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF GALVESTON, [INAUDIBLE]. YES, THAT'S AN ONGOING QUESTION, BESIDE PARK BOARD AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MR. GLYWASKY'S OPINION ON THIS, I THINK YOU WERE COPIED ON THAT. CARLA COTROPIA, THE PARK BOARD ATTORNEY AGREES WITH HIM ON THAT SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS IS TO REFINE A DRAFT RFP THAT WOULD ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES, BECAUSE HOWEVER WE GO ABOUT DOING IT, WHAT WE NEED IS A PLACE FOR BEACH PATROL TO LIVE, RESTROOMS, SHOWERS, VENDOR SPACE, THAT KIND OF THING DOWN THERE. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS, ONCE AGAIN, OF TALKING ABOUT HOW WE DO THAT [OVERLAPPING]. >> NOW HAVING SPECIFIC CHAMBER ISSUES [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK THAT DRAFT PROPOSAL ON JANUARY 6TH. BECAUSE WHILE WE HAD GENERAL DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL OF PARK BOARD, WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OF THAT DETAIL IN FRONT OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GO ON DOWN THERE, WHAT THE SCOPE OF IT IS. THE HOTEL HAS BEEN A QUESTION, AND IT'S BEEN A FAIRLY CONTENTIOUS QUESTION, I HAVE TO SAY, [NOISE] WORKING ON THIS AS WELL. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> SURE. >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY, BUT DIDN'T YOU PUT THE CART IN FRONT OF THE HORSE. SHOULDN'T WE HAVE GOTTEN OPINION FROM OUR LEGAL HERE? BY THE WAY, THAT WAS WELL WRITTEN, I ENJOYED THAT. >> I WROTE IT WITH YOU IN MIND. >> I UNDERSTAND. [NOISE] [LAUGHTER]. >> WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION THOUGH? >> MY QUESTION IS, WHY DID WE SPEND THE MONEY FOR RESEARCH BEFORE WE GOT AN OPINION FROM OUR ATTORNEY OR THE ATTORNEY [OVERLAPPING] [02:25:01] >> SOMEBODY SAID, "HEY, HERE'S AN IDEA, LET'S BUILD A HOTEL DOWN THERE." THERE WAS NO REASON TO GO ASK LEGAL, CAN WE BUILD A HOTEL DOWN THERE? >> YES, BUT THE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE SHOULD LOOK AND ASK LEGAL BECAUSE OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT THE STEWARTS LEFT TO THE CITY OF GALVESTON, THE PROPERTY. >> THAT IS STILL, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN OPEN QUESTION, I THINK MR. GLYWASKY AND MS. COTROPIA WILL SETTLE THE QUESTION, BUT I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY AGREES WITH THAT. THE STEWARTS DIDN'T GIVE US THE LAND, THE LAND THAT IS STEWART BEACH TODAY CAME FROM THE GALVESTON [OVERLAPPING] >> GALVESTON CITY COMPANY. >> GALVESTON CITY COMPANY. MACO STEWART, WAS HEAD OF THE COMPANY AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO SIGNED THAT CONVEYANCE AT THE TIME IN 1945-46, WHENEVER THAT ACTUALLY OCCURRED. BUT BILL, [NOISE] THERE WERE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW. WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF STEWART BEACH WAS, WE THOUGHT WE KNEW, AND IT TURNS OUT WE WERE RIGHT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETERMINATION UNTIL WE GOT THE STEWART TITLE TO ACTUALLY GO AND DETERMINE WHAT THAT WAS. THEN THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT WETLANDS OVER THERE. WE DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY WETLANDS IN THAT AREA, BUT WE'VE HAD WETLANDS [INAUDIBLE] THE OCEAN AND THERE WAS ANOTHER $14,000 WE SPENT ON THAT. >> THAT BASICALLY IS WHEN WE HAVE JOBS THAT ARE BEING RFP DOWN, ALWAYS DO A NEED ASSESSMENT AND A FEASIBILITY STUDY. [OVERLAPPING] THEN THESE THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, IN MY OPINION, THROW AWAY A $100,000 [OVERLAPPING] >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE DIDN'T THROW ANYTHING AWAY. THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE HIRED HELP US DEVELOP THIS, FIRST OF ALL, A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION IN THIS RFP. I THINK IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT, THEY'VE DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO. >> WELL, AND AGAIN, IT'S MY INTERPRETATION, THE DOCUMENT I READ THAT DON PUT OUT, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THIS OUT TO PUBLIC, AND I DON'T THINK [OVERLAPPING] >> IF CERTAIN THINGS [OVERLAPPING] ARE PROPOSED, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, I ASKED HIM THREE QUESTIONS. CAN WE DO IT? ESSENTIALLY, WHO'D SUE US? DON'S RESPONSE WAS THE PEOPLE OF GALVESTON, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A PRETTY GOOD ANSWER. HE CITED THE CASES. I ASKED OTHER THINGS, IF WE WERE DOING A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHAT TAX MONEY IS AT PLAY HERE? SOMETIMES PRE-AGREEMENT, WE REBATE SALES TAX, OR WE REBATE PROPERTY TAX. DID THAT INCLUDE HOT TAX WHEN IT COMES TO [NOISE] DOING SOMETHING ON THE BEACH? THAT WAS JUST THE QUESTION, AND HE ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS, AS YOU SAW, ADEQUATELY. [OVERLAPPING] >> [NOISE] WE'LL HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. WHAT DAVID IS MENTIONING ABOUT THE INFORMATION NOW MAY CHANGE WHEN WE COME TO OUR [OVERLAPPING] JANUARY 6TH MEETING. PARK BOARD IS STILL GOING THROUGH THIS AND EVALUATING WHERE [NOISE] THEY ARE. [OVERLAPPING] >> SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS MAY BE MOOT BY THE TIME JANUARY 6TH COMES AROUND. >> ONE MORE QUESTION [INAUDIBLE]. I CAN'T EAT LUNCH IN TOWN WITHOUT SOMEBODY BUGGING ME, BUT I WAS EATING LUNCH AND I HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT'S ON, WHAT'S THAT COMMITTEE YOU-ALL HAVE, TACS OR TAC OR WHATEVER? >> THE TDAC. >> TDAC, AND [OVERLAPPING] >> TOURISM DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COUNCIL. >> [OVERLAPPING] I THOUGHT YOU NEVER WENT INTO TOWN. >> I WAS INVITED FOR FREE LUNCH [LAUGHTER]. >> TDAC, YES. >> THEY WERE UPSET BECAUSE PARK BOARD IS NOT GOING TO FUND THE FIREWORKS. WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT [OVERLAPPING] CAN EASE THEIR MIND? >> THE TDAC HAS NOT MADE A DECISION ABOUT THAT, AND THAT THE TRUSTEES PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE LOOKING AT THAT IN JANUARY UNTIL TDAC DECIDES. BECAUSE THE OPEN QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS, HOW CAN WE ON THE ONE HAND BE LOOKING FOR BLUE WATER CERTIFICATION AND SUPPORT OF WORLD OCEAN DAY WHILE WE'RE BLOWING STUFF UP AND DUMPING IN THE OCEAN. [OVERLAPPING] AND SO DO WE DO [OVERLAPPING] >> YOU SHOULD BE, BECAUSE IT'S COOL, ETC. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S COOL, ETC. [NOISE] [BACKGROUND] >> THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. >> [OVERLAPPING] THAT STILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. >> ANYTHING ELSE, DAVID, THAT YOU NEED. >> NO. YOU'RE BORED, IT'S NOT QUITE 11:30. [LAUGHTER] >> WELL, I [OVERLAPPING] >> FORTY-FIVE SECONDS. >> [OVERLAPPING] I'LL GIVE IT UP. >> THIS IS THE CURRENT [INAUDIBLE] IN THERE. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS, IT IS 11:30. I'M GOING TO USE THE PHRASE THAT I USED TO USE WITH MY CHILDREN IN MY PEDIATRIC DENTAL PRACTICE, WE HAVE TURKEY AND DRESSING FOR EVERYBODY AND WE KNOW IT'S THANKSGIVING BECAUSE WE'LL BE GOBBLING. [OVERLAPPING]. >> HE GOT THAT ONE, DIDN'T HE? [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND] * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.