YET. ALL RIGHT, TWO O'CLOCK, LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
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THIS IS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP, 2:00 P.M.WE ARE IN A VIRTUAL MEETING AND WE WILL FIRST HAVE ATTENDANCE.
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AND IF WE COULD DO THAT.I'LL DO THE ATTENDANCE REJONE EDWARDS.
HERE EVERYTHING, BUT HERE, RIGHT? SORRY. NO PROBLEM.
VICE CHAIR BOB BROWN IS ABSENT.
CHAIRPERSON JEFFREY HILL HERE, STAN HUMPHREY HERE, STEVEN PENA HERE, TRUSTEE WALLA HAS NOT JOINED US. WE'LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT IF HE DOES.
AND SAME WITH COUNCIL MEMBER JOHN PAUL LISTOWSKI.
AND THEN FOR THE RECORD STAFF, PRESENT IS MYSELF, CATHERINE GORMAN, DANIEL LUNSFORD, TIM TIETJENS AND DONNA FAIRWEATHER.
OK, GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST TODAY? NO SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM ON TAP FOR THIS WORKSHOP AND IT IS CONCESSIONS, SO AND IT'S
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A DOOZY. AND LUCKILY, MR. LUNSFORD IS UP TO THE TASK.SO DANIEL SENT US ALL THE CONTINUED LIST OF OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. AND I, SINCE THE THE LAST MEETING, DAVID AND REJONE WERE NOT HERE AND WE DID BELIEVE IT OR NOT ACTUALLY GET A COUPLE OF THINGS DONE.
DANIEL IS GOING TO BEGIN WITH REMINDING US ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. SO IF YOU WOULD, DANIEL, AND IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT YOU WANT US TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY, PLEASE, SIR.
OK. YEAH, SO I DID GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE KIND OF DISCUSSION DECISIONS WERE MADE IN THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP.
WHAT WAS APPROVED AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS FOR THE FOLKS WHO WERE PRESENT WAS A, TO ALLOW A, YOU KNOW, A PARK OR A FREESTANDING, YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCK BY ITSELF, EITHER OR.
AND ALSO TO ALLOW MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN SOME MANNER.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE WERE STILL WELL, I THINK JEFFREY HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW TO PROCEED FROM THERE, BUT THAT THAT IS WHAT WAS DECIDED IN THE PREVIOUS WORKSHOP.
OH, GOSH, DANIEL, I SURE THOUGHT WE GOT MORE DONE THAN THAT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION, BUT THE ONLY TWO VOTES THAT WERE TAKEN WERE THOSE TWO THINGS. OH, BOO US.
STEPHEN AND STAN, SINCE YOU GUYS WERE THERE.
DID YOU GUYS WANT TO WEIGH IN ON ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU FELT WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN THAT MEETING? EITHER OF YOU.
NO. THAT KIND OF SUMMED UP WHAT I WHAT I RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING, I KNOW THAT WE WE DISCUSSED THOSE ITEMS. OK, SO, SO OTHER KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD JUST DAVID AND AND REJONE, SO YOU ALL WILL KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW THE TRUCKS TO TRUCKS, TRAILERS, WHATEVER, AND I'M JUST FOR EASE.
BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN I'M SAYING FOOD TRUCKS, I ALSO MEAN FOOD TRAILERS, ANY KIND OF MOBILE FOOD VENDOR. AND DANIEL WILL BE QUICK TO REMIND ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT JUST BE TALKING ABOUT FOOD VENDORS, WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER TYPES OF VENDORS, TOO, BUT THAT, WHETHER WE WANT TO LET THOSE WORK OUT OF RIGHTS OF WAY OR WHETHER THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE WHERE THEY ARE NOW ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BUT WHAT WE HOW WE WANTED TO PROCEED, HOW DANIEL AND I HAD TALKED ABOUT PROCEEDING ON THIS WAS TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BREAK THIS OUT WITH LIKE THESE
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FIRST SIX ITEMS ON THIS LIST THAT DANIEL SENT US.AND IF WE COULD JUST KIND OF BREAK THIS OFF INTO SMALL PIECES AND JUST WORK ON MAYBE THESE FIRST SIX QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
AND IF WE CAN GO FURTHER THAN THE FIRST SIX QUESTIONS TODAY, THEN LET'S GO FARTHER THAN THE FIRST SIX QUESTIONS.
BUT JUST LET'S TAKE IT OFF INTO MANAGEABLE LITTLE BITES HERE.
SO, DANIEL, YOU WANT TO LEAD US ON THIS AND LEAD US THROUGH THESE FIRST SIX QUESTIONS? OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HANDLE IT, SIR? WELL, I'LL START BY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, I GUESS, ECHOING WHAT YOU HAD JUST SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER AND IT MAY SEEM DAUNTING, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT ONE BITE AT A TIME? SO I THINK IF YOU JUST KEEP CHIPPING AWAY AT THESE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE MAKING PROGRESS, I THINK YOU'LL BE OK. BUT YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH THESE FIRST, YOU KNOW WHAT SIX QUESTIONS I THINK YOU SAID AND JUST, YOU KNOW, HAMMERING ON THOSE FOR TODAY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A VERY GOOD PLACE TO START.
OK, GREAT. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, SHOULD NON FOOD CONCESSIONS BE ALLOWED? AND NOTE THAT SAENGERFEST PARK MAY BE AN EXCEPTION AND DUE TO PAST AGREEMENTS ON THAT, SO DO YOU WANT TO BE IN? AND DANIEL HAD TO EXPLAIN THAT TO ME WHEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION LAST FRIDAY.
SO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE OTHERS AS WELL? MR. LUNSFORD, PLEASE? SURE. SO DUE TO PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SAENGERFEST PARK IS THE ONLY PLACE IN THE CITY WHERE A POP UP TENT TYPE CONCESSION TECHNICALLY OF ANY SORT, ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW, MUTUALLY HISTORIC PROPERTIES, IS THE REALLY THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THAT PROPERTY.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, CONTROL OF WHAT BUSINESSES GO THERE, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR THING.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WHERE A CONCESSION TRUCK OR TRAILER IS NOT PERMITTED.
OR, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, AND THEY CAN DO LIKE A POP UP TENT.
IF YOU GO THERE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY DURING TOURIST SEASON, YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS CARICATURE ARTISTS, YOU KNOW, GLASS BLOWER, JEWELRY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO MY THOUGHT WAS, WELL, IF THE RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE ONLY FOOD FOR CONCESSIONS THAT YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THERE BEING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR SAENGERFEST SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT TRADITION SOMEWHAT EXISTS THERE.
SO IF WE ONLY BITE OFF, THEN FOOD AND WE SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DEAL WITH FOOD TRUCKS, THEN DANIEL, THEN WE COULD LATER ON BUT DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE SKATES OR IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO RENT OUT LOCKERS FOR THE BEACH WHERE PEOPLE COULD STOW THEIR PHONES AND THEIR TOWELS WHILE THEY DID WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO OR OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE COULD DEAL WITH THAT AFTER WE DEALT WITH FOOD.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION THAT I THINK I HAD, YOU KNOW, FROM STAFF'S POINT OF VIEW WAS, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF OF OF NON-FOOD ITEMS, YES OR NO.
YOU KNOW, IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS MADE TO ALLOW ANYTHING OTHER THAN FOOD ITEMS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GREAT, THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM.
HOW YOU MIGHT GO BEYOND THAT, IT'S KIND OF UP TO YOU ALL.
BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING ELSE, I'M GOING TO THROW IN THE MIX BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GO TEN MINUTES OUT WITH THROWING YOUR CURVEBALL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALSO, KEEP IN MIND THAT CERTAIN TIMES THE YEAR, LIKE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF VENDORS WHO FLOW INTO TOWN AND THEY DO OFTEN PULL THEIR PERMITS.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE SELLING MERCHANDISE THAT'S NOT FOOD.
I HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT COMES IN FROM CALIFORNIA EVERY LONE STAR RALLY JUST TO SELL BIKER MERCHANDISE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, TOO, THAT IF YOU DECIDE ABOUT ONLY FOOD, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT THESE OTHER, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLE EXCEPTIONS YOU HOW DO YOU PULL THAT TOGETHER INTO ONE RECOMMENDATION.
SO, DANIEL, TO KIND OF GO OFF THAT WHICH, YEAH, YOU WANT TO MUDDY THE WATER AND I DON'T GET MY BITE OF THE ELEPHANT BECAUSE NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO DOWN THIS OTHER LITTLE, THIS OTHER LITTLE ROAD.
SO LET'S SAY THAT I'M THE PHOTOGRAPHER GUY WHO'S TAKING PICTURES OF ALL THESE BIKERS WHO COME IN. DOES THE PHOTOGRAPHER GUY HAVE TO PULL A PERMIT? IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT PLANNING HANDLES, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PERMITS THAT HAVE
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TO BE REQUIRED TO DO LIKE FILMING AND THINGS IN PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
OK. WOULD NOT I MEAN, A PHOTO GUY IS GOING TO BE WALKING AROUND, HE IS NOT GOING TO BE ENTRENCHED, HE'S NOT GOING TO BE DOING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE IN A STATIONARY FASHION LIKE WE SEE WITH OTHER THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PEDDLERS.
WE HAVE A PROVISION FOR PEDDLING THAT.
IT'S NOT PERMITTED AND THEY CAN DO IT.
OR IS IT NOT PERMITTED ON ANY PUBLIC STREET EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE NOTED MORE UPON THE SIDEWALK SEAWALL BOULEVARD, MORE THAN A HUNDRED FEET OF THE NORTHERLY RIGHT AWAY OF SEAWALL. SO WE'VE GOT SOME RULES AND EXCEPTIONS FOR PEDDLERS.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VENDORS THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY NON FOOD TO ME, THAT WOULD KIND OF SUBSIST OF THOSE THAT ARE PROVIDING THE SERVICE OR SELLING MERCHANDISE THAT IS NON FOOD.
I GET THE FEELING LIKE WE COULD SIMPLIFY AND ENCOMPASS VENDORS AS ONE AND NOT REALLY GO DOWN INTO SUB CATEGORIZING UNTIL WE GET TO THE HEALTH ISSUE OF FOOD VENDORS.
WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? WELL, IN THE HEALTH AND HEALTH ISSUE OF FOOD VENDORS, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF PUSH THAT OFF ON THE COUNTY ANYWAY.
GO AHEAD, STEPHEN. YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING AND I CUT YOU OFF.
NO, NO, NO. THAT WAS. I SOMEWHAT AGREE.
MAYBE WE GO DOWN THAT ONE PATH BEFORE WE DIVULGE INTO ANOTHER.
HMM. OK, SO I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING THEN, DANIEL, IS WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER FOOD AND NON FOOD, IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHAT WE DID LAST TIME IS WE RAISED HANDS TO SAY YES OR NO.
BUT REJONE, YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, OH, LOOK AT YOU USING YOUR LITTLE RAISE HAND FEATURE. SHE'S ALL OFFICIAL.
LOOK, SHE'S ALL THE TECHNICAL WIZARD.
OK. I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO WHAT STAN WAS SAYING, IS THAT THE PHOTO, JUST A QUICK AND NOT NECESSARY CORRECTION, BUT A STATEMENT ON THE PHOTOGRAPHERS.
THEY DO HAVE BOOTHS WHERE THEY PRINT OUT PICTURES FOR PEOPLE AT THE BIKER RALLY AND OTHER PLACES SO THEY CAN BE STATIONARY LIKE A STATIONARY VENDOR.
THAT'S TRUE, BUT I HAVE TO SAY I DO AGREE.
I THINK THAT WE'RE BEING TOO GRANULAR HERE.
I THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING IT TOO HARD ON OURSELVES.
WE SHOULD JUST MAKE IT CONCESSIONS, PERIOD.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN DELINEATE BETWEEN THE TWO SHOULD WE DECIDE THAT THAT'S NECESSARY.
BUT FOR ME, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE PRICE BETWEEN HOW THE VENDOR LICENSES ARE, THERE'S REALLY I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING ANY DELINEATIONS.
ALL RIGHT, GOOD. SO LAST TIME WHAT WE DID, REJONE AND DAVID, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT BECAUSE WE CAN ALL THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, BUT WE MIGHT NOT BE.
WE JUST DID A LITTLE SHOW OF HANDS TO SAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP NON FOOD AND FOOD CONCESSIONS TOGETHER ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT, RAISE YOUR HAND.
OK, SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING AT THIS POINT, DANIEL, WE HAVE ANOTHER HAND RAISED, WE GOT ANOTHER VOTE ON SOMETHING, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE RIGHT NOW.
ALL RIGHT. QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK NECESSARY? CURRENT ORDINANCE SIMPLY REQUIRES A STATEMENT REGARDING PRESENCE OF A CRIMINAL RECORD, BUT BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE TYPICALLY WHAT APPLICANTS PROVIDE.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS DANIEL HAD TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE TO ME ON FRIDAY, SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU ALL HEAR THE EXPLANATION FROM DANIEL, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PUT YOUR LITTLE AS THE LITTLE KIDS SAY YOUR THINKING CATS ON, YOUR THINKING CATS ON, MEOW, MEOW, AND THINK ABOUT THE OPTICS OF CERTAIN THINGS FROM A CITY STANDPOINT AND THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO PUNT SOME OF THIS TO CITY LEGAL.
OK, SO CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A PART OF OUR CONCESSION ORDINANCE THAT STATES THAT A STATEMENT OF A CRIMINAL RECORD IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE CONCESSION PERMIT. NOW MOST PEOPLE JUST BRING US A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENT, BUT REALLY IT'S JUST A STATEMENT THAT SAYS, HEY, THEY DO OR THEY DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK.
CURRENTLY, THAT REQUIREMENT IS NOT ACTIONABLE.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT TO DO WITH IT AFTER THAT.
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SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT OR STRIKE IT ALTOGETHER? OR IF WE WANT TO KEEP IT AND MAKE IT ACTIONABLE SOMEHOW, HOW MIGHT WE DO THAT? AND I HAD SENT A INVITE.I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE HERE YET OR NOT, BUT I SENT AN INVITE TO THE SYSTEM.
POLICE CHIEF ACTING POLICE CHIEF.
AS OF NOW, DOUG BALLI AND BUTCH STROUD TO SEE IF THEY WANTED TO BE AROUND FOR QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE IN THE CALL OR NOT.
DON'T SEE THEM ON THE LINE, DANIEL.
OK. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, DANIEL, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT BEFORE I INTERRUPT YOU.
YEAH, NO PROBLEM. BUT I DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH OF THEM, AND THEY INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, IF IT STAYS AND IF IT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, IF IT STAYS, IT NEEDS TO BE ACTIONABLE IN SOME WAY.
AND BUTCH STROUD, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT UP THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY CURRENTLY USE FOR THE CHAUFFEUR LICENSES AS A POSSIBLE GO BY WHICH I BELIEVE SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T HAVE A HAVE A CRIMINAL CONVICTION WITHIN THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS, I BELIEVE, IS HOW IT READS. BUT THE FIRST PART OF THIS QUESTION REALLY IS, IS THERE A REASON TO KEEP IT? AND WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE KEEP IT, IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ACTIONABLE.
I THINK DONNA HAD KIND OF MENTIONED THE SAME THING TO ME WHEN WE WERE TALKING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE KEEP, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE ACTIONABLE IN SOME WAY.
AND DANIEL, JUST TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE LET DONNA COMMENT ON THIS.
THEY SAID ANY KIND OF CRIMINAL, ANY KIND OF CRIMINAL CONVICTION IN THE PAST THREE YEARS OR WAS IT A CERTAIN TIME? THAT'S NOT A QUESTION I CAN ANSWER.
I KNOW THAT THERE IS A TIME LIMIT ON IT THAT BUTCH MENTIONED TO ME, BUT I HAVE NOT DELVED INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THAT.
I MENTIONED IT SIMPLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF A OF A GO BY THAT WE COULD TURN TO IF YOU DECIDE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT KNOW, WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR TOOLBOX, YOU KNOW, TO GET SOMETHING DONE? RIGHT, RIGHT? STAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE GO TO DONNA? YES. DO YOU, DANIEL? DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF HOW OTHER CITIES TREAT THIS KIND OF ISSUE ON THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK ON CONCESSIONS? WE WE DID A REVIEW OF A NUMBER OF IT WAS A 10 OR 11 OTHER TEXAS CITIES AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH WAS REALLY STARTED BEFORE COVID.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT I DON'T RECALL ANY OF THOSE CITIES HAVING THAT REQUIREMENT.
I COULD FIND THAT REAL QUICK AND DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU IF YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
YOU WANT TO CHECK ON THAT WHILE WE LET DONNA WEIGH IN DANIEL, YEAH, I'LL DO THAT.
YOU WANT TO PUT YOUR TWO CENTS IN HERE OR WITH YOU IT'LL BE A DIME BECAUSE YOU'RE WORTH SO MUCH. OH, YOU FLATTER ME.
YOU FLATTER ME, NOW YOU KNOW, AT A CERTAIN POINT, YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT, WHY ARE WE DOING THESE THINGS? AND IS IT MORE ONEROUS ON US AND THE APPLICANTS OR NOT? I MEAN, WHAT'S WHAT IS A GOAL HERE? THESE AREN'T FOLKS THAT I ASSUME ARE GOING TO BE TRANSPORTING PEOPLE LIKE THE CHAUFFEUR'S LICENSE FOLKS WOULD BE DOING.
SO THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN A PUBLIC AREA.
AND AGAIN, WHAT IS THE AND THE FOLKS THAT WILL BE PULLING THESE PERMITS AND THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'VE ALREADY COME IN COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FUNDS THAT THEY'RE SPENDING FOR THESE OTHER LICENSE REQUIREMENTS OR PERMIT REQUIREMENTS.
SO CLEARLY, I THINK FROM MY CONVERSATION, YOU KIND OF PROBABLY FIGURE OUT WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE ON IT.
WHAT IS THE END RUN AND WHAT IS THE FOR THIS COMMISSION, WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF IT? YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE BACKGROUND CHECK THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND RUNNING THAT IN AND I'M SORRY, DAVID, I'M NOT SO GOOD AT SEEING THE LITTLE HANDS.
JUST ONE SECOND, AND I'LL GET TO YOU.
MY THOUGHT IS THE RUNNING THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK IS NOT A HUGE EXPENSE.
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DANIEL HAS TOLD ME THAT THE REASON THAT MOST APPLICANTS ACTUALLY RUN AND SUBMIT THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND.AND SUBMIT IT TO THE CITY IS BECAUSE IT ONLY COSTS LIKE 10 OR 15 DOLLARS, AND SO THEY JUST GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I'M CLEAN OR, YOU KNOW, YES, I HAVE A WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
BUT DAVID, SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO WHAT I WANTED, THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. AH BUILDING ON DONNA'S POINT, I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF RISK AND REWARD.
WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF RISK THAT THE COMMUNITY IS EXPOSED TO BY THESE CONCESSIONAIRES? AND PARTICULARLY IF DANIEL AND STAFF HAVE NOT FOUND EXAMPLES OF WHERE CONCESSIONAIRES ARE BEING HELD TO THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR OUR DECISION MAKING.
I AGREE. DAVID, YOU HAVE GROWN CHILDREN, I HAVE GROWN CHILDREN.
STAN, YOU HAVE GROWN CHILDREN, RIGHT? OH YEAH. DONNA, YOU'RE YOUNG, RIGHT? WELL, AND AND I MEAN, NOT DONNA, REJONE'S ARE YOUNG AND STEPHENS ARE YOUNG.
I THINK ABOUT MY KIDS GOING OUT TO THE ICE CREAM MAN.
I DON'T WANT THAT ICE CREAM VENDOR TO HAVE BEEN A SEX OFFENDER.
I MEAN, THAT'S MY ONE ROADBLOCK IN ALL OF THIS, Y'ALL.
WELL, I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY STATE REGULATIONS FOR THAT.
SO THEY'RE STATE REGULATIONS FOR SEX OFFENDERS ANYWAY, BEING INVOLVED WITH PROFESSIONS THAT INVOLVE CHILDREN.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER THAT CAN'T BE THEY CAN'T LIVE IN CERTAIN AREAS OR WITHIN A CERTAIN FEET OF CHILDREN, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT YOU KNOW, CAN YOU PUT MY MIND AT EASE ABOUT THAT, DONNA? CAN YOU TELL ME, CAN YOU ASSURE ME THAT A SEX OFFENDER CANNOT BE SELLING ICE CREAM TO KIDS? CANNOT BE IN ONE OF THESE? LET ME GO. LET ME FIND WHERE IT IS.
WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE CALL THAT, DANIEL? I'M PUTTING DANIEL ON THE BACKGROUND CHECK.
BUT LET ME... IT'S CALLED A MOBILE CONCESSION.
YEAH, MOBILE CONCESSION CAN YOU CAN AS LONG AS SOMEBODY CAN ASSURE ME THAT A SEX OFFENDER CAN'T BE A MOBILE CONCESSIONAIRE, THEN I CAN GET OFF THE CRIMINAL BACKGROUND THING. LET ME ANSWER IT THIS WAY AND IF THE PERSON IS A SEX OFFENDER, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? SO YOU HAD TO MAKE IT ACTIONABLE OR YOU JUST KNOW THAT THIS PERSON IS A SEX OFFENDER. BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE REGULATIONS THAT DO NOT ALLOW FOLKS WITH THAT TYPE OF HISTORY TO BE AROUND CHILDREN OR IN A PROFESSION THAT DEALS WITH CHILDREN.
I DON'T I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A QUESTION, BUT I'M SURE I CAN FIND THAT, AND I THINK IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY A STATE, IF NOT A FEDERAL LAW.
WELL, THEN IT WOULD BE, AND THEN I THEN I WOULD WANT IT TO BE ACTIONABLE, DONNA.
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, I WOULD WANT IT TO BE ACTIONABLE.
I WOULD WANT THEM TO BE DENIED.
AND THEN THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THE CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT IF IT'S IF YOU HAVE A SECOND SUCH TYPE OF HISTORY, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU EITHER ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT OR IT'S A VIOLATION OF SUCH AND SUCH AS PROBABLY SOME STATE REGULATION THAT IS A VIOLATION OF.
UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER WAY OF OF STANDING THEM OUT.
IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER WAY OF OF KEEPING THEM OUT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
OK, BETWEEN REJONE AND STEPHEN, I DON'T KNOW WHOSE HAND WENT UP FIRST BETWEEN OH, STEPHEN'S HAND IS NO LONGER UP, REJONE.
OK, SO, YOU KNOW, WHILE I WAS LISTENING TO DANIEL SPEAK, A COUPLE OF THINGS CAME TO ME.
WE DON'T REQUIRE UNLESS I DON'T KNOW THIS, RESTAURANTS TO SUBMIT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK OR OTHER BUSINESSES TO SUBMIT TO A BACKGROUND CHECK.
AND IF WE DON'T REQUIRE THAT OF A REGULAR BREED, NOT FREESTANDING BUSINESS OR A PERMANENT STRUCTURED BUSINESS THAT I'M NOT SURE IN MY MIND HOW FAIR IT IS TO REQUIRE A BACKGROUND CHECK OF A CONCESSION BUSINESS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY TO ME, THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF THE SAME BUSINESS AS MINE IS JUST MOBILE AND YOU JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE A STRUCTURE.
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SO WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME RULES FOR BOTH TYPES OF BUSINESSES.AND IF WE DON'T HAVE, IT'S ONE PLACE I DON'T AGREE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IT ON THE MOBILE BUSINESSES.
AND JEFFREY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE POPSICLE MAN AND MY KIDS USED TO LOVE THE POPSICLE TRUCK.
I MEAN, JUST LIKE, CRAZY LOOK RUN AFTER HIM.
BUT THE THING ABOUT THAT IS THAT I FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW WE AS PARENTS HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF OUR KIDS ARE RUNNING TO THE POPSICLE TRUCK AND WHO'S GIVING WHO'S GIVING MY KID A POPSICLE.
SO I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE I THINK THIS IS JUST A LOT OF EXTRA BUREAUCRATIC OVERSIGHT THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING ABOUT.
AND THAT IN THE END, UNLESS WE DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUNITIVE, MEANING THAT YOU CAN'T GET A CONCESSION LICENSE THAT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST LET THAT GO.
I WILL CHIME IN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS, THE I THINK MOBILITY DOES HAVE A GOOD DEAL TO DO WITH IT. REJONE, I THINK, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK WHERE WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECKS IN OUR CAB REGULATIONS AND IN, YOU KNOW, IN IN VARIOUS AREAS WHERE YOU LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, WRECKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU GET INTO A VEHICLE WITH SOMEBODY. IT'S BEEN LONGSTANDING THAT WE'VE HAD THOSE REGULATIONS AND THIS IS SORT OF A I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT QUITE AS AS FAR REACHING.
IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE ICE CREAM MAN'S TRUCK, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING UP TO IT AND IT'S MOBILE AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COULD HAPPEN AND IT COULD GO ON DOWN THE STREET.
BUT ANYHOW, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT, THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT WE DO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION FOR AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO COLLECT IT FOR.
THIS IS JUST SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OF A MIDDLE GROUND.
SO ANYHOW, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY CHOOSE TO DO OR MAY CHOOSE NOT TO.
THANKS TIM, I APPRECIATE THAT THAT INPUT.
SO DANIEL AND DONNA, I THINK THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE WE COULD DEFINITELY USE SOME MORE INPUT FROM OTHER CITIES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US TO SEE HOW OTHERS DO HANDLE IT AND TO SEE IF I AM BEING THE OVERPROTECTIVE OVER REACTIONARY MOTHER THAT I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST THIRTY ONE YEARS.
SO YOU COULD JUST CALL MY KIDS AND ASK THEM HOW MUCH OF A FREAK I AM ABOUT THAT.
SO. AND NOW THAT I HAVE A GRANDCHILD, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE EVEN WORSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY USE SOME INPUT THERE IS THAT IS THAT.
HEY, RUSTY, IS THAT LET THIS SHOW THAT RUSTY CAME ON BOARD WITH US AT TWO TWENTY EIGHT.
SO DANIEL AND DONNA, IF WE COULD GET SOME INPUT ON THAT, PLEASE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, I'M SURE, YEAH, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED THROUGH WHAT WE HAD AND GIVE ME ONE SECOND.
LET ME GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE NEW FOR THE NEW MEMBERS.
SO WE LOOKED AT ARANSAS PASS, AUSTIN, COLLEGE STATION, CORPUS CHRISTI, HOUSTON, [INAUDIBLE] CITY, PORT ARANSAS, ROCKPORT, SAN ANTONIO, SOUTH PADRE ISLAND AND VICTORIA.
OF THOSE, ONLY ARANSAS PASS REQUIRES A BACKGROUND CHECK.
THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO REQUIRES A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR THE MOBILE OPERATIONS, THE SPECIFICALLY THE ICE CREAM TRUCKS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PUSH CARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEY SPECIFICALLY AND THEIR ORDINANCE REFERENCE THE STATE LAW ABOUT THE SEX OFFENDERS. THEY SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE THAT IN THEIR ORDINANCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT ADDRESSED IT.
AND YOU SAID THAT LAST ONE, DANIEL, WAS SAN ANTONIO.
CORRECT. WOULD YOU MIND PLEASE, SIR, JUST IN YOUR ABUNDANT SPARE TIME TO MAYBE SHOOT THAT ONE OUT TO ALL OF US PLEASE, SIR, AND LET US LOOK AT IT? OK. AND JUST LET US SEE IF MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.
AND THEN, DONNA, IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF YOU THINK IT WOULD WORK
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WITH WHAT YOU SEE AS THE STATE SEX OFFENDER LAW, PLEASE MA'AM.OK. DID YOU HEAR ME? NO, MA'AM. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME NOW? I CAN. OH, OK.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CRIMINAL RECORD OR MAY WE MOVE ON COMMISSIONERS? WE GET TO MOVE ON.
OK, SO THREE, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS ONE LAST TIME, I THINK, AND REALLY ADDRESSED IT.
DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO ALLOW INDIVIDUAL SITES TO RECOMMEND CONCESSION PARTS ONLY IF SITES WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED, BUT WHAT INCENTIVES MAY BE USED TO ENCOURAGE CONCESSION PARKS TO FORM? I THINK IT'S REALLY THE SECOND PART OF THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE AT OUR LAST TIME AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE TOP OF THIS MEETING, DOES THE COMMISSION WANT TO ALLOW INDIVIDUAL SITES TO RECOMMEND CONCESSION PARKS ONLY? THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE WANTED TO ALLOW FOOD TRUCK PARKS AND STAND ALONE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAD, THE CONSENSUS WE HAD REACHED AT OUR LAST MEETING.
AND SO THEN WE GET TO WHAT INCENTIVES MAY BE USED TO ENCOURAGE CONCESSION PARKS TO FORM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO.
MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN ON THAT ONE TODAY.
DANIEL, I'M GOING TO ASK IF IT'S OK WITH YOU.
WE JUST ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE A A FRAMEWORK FOR THE, FOR FOR THE HOMEWORK OF THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE, DANIEL? UH, WELL, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS OR IDEAS BY THE NEXT WORKSHOP WHENEVER THAT MAY BE.
BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE STAFF, CAN, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO SOME ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO AND IF THERE ARE INCENTIVES AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU AS WELL.
COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'RE 30 MINUTES IN, WE'VE GOT AN HOUR LEFT.
LET'S TAKE TEN MINUTES NOW JUST TO KIND OF BRAINSTORM AND TALK ABOUT WHAT INCENTIVES MIGHT BE USED TO ENCOURAGE CONCESSION PARKS TO FORM.
I'M SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SOME IDEAS.
RUSTY, YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.
I THINK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH FOOD TRAILERS, WE'VE GOT APPRECIABLE BUSINESS EXPERIENCE ON THIS COMMISSION, SO WHO'D LIKE TO GO FIRST? UH, RUSTY. HEY, SORRY, I'M LATE, I THOUGHT THE MEETING STARTED WITH TWO THIRDS, I APOLOGIZE. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, JUST NUMBER ONE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE THREE THINGS, IT STILL CREATES SOME PROBLEMS FOR OUR ENFORCEMENT GUYS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE TRAILERS THAT THEY'RE PART THEY DON'T MOVE.
AND MY EXPERIENCE IN OTHER COUNTIES IS THAT ONE, EITHER.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY DON'T LET YOU HAVE ANY TABLES AND TWO, THEY REQUIRE YOU TO GO THE COMMISSARY ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME COMMENT IN THE MEMO THAT DANIEL HAD WRITTEN ABOUT THE CITY SAYING THAT.
SO FAR AS INCENTIVIZING THE PARKS.
I THINK WE OUGHT TO KICK AROUND THE IDEA OF WHY DON'T WE MAKE THE PARK OPERATOR FEE? I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS, MAYBE 15 [INAUDIBLE] I THINK IT'S A THOUSAND BUCKS AND THEN THE FOOD TRUCK IS FIVE HUNDRED.
WELL, KEEP IN MIND, THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY TO GO INTO THE PARK AND MAYBE WE MAKE FOOD TRUCK FEE A HUNDRED BUCKS.
AND THE PARK FEE, $500, I'M JUST GOING NEED A COUPLE JUST FOR THOUGHT.
BUT THE INCENTIVE WOULD BE, IS THAT ONE, THESE TRUCKS WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE FROM PARK TO PARK SO THEY WOULD NEED PARKS TO GO TO.
I THINK WE GRANDFATHERED THE EXISTING GUYS WHO ARE THERE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE OPERATING.
THEY'LL JUST HAVE TO BE LICENSED LIKE A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD CREATE A LITTLE INCENTIVE FOR THESE GUYS.
HEY, GUYS, IF ANYBODY OTHER THAN RUSTY, CAN YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE MUTED? WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING.
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SO ANYBODY THAT'S NOT RUSTY, MAKE SURE YOU'RE MUTED, PLEASE.GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
NO PROBLEM. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF MAKING IT.
SO KEEP IN MIND THE FOOD TRUCK GUY IS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY TO THE FOOD TRUCK OPERATOR GUY.
SO THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I'VE, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF.
LET'S MAKE EVERYBODY GO INTO A PARK.
I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT THAT HORSE TO DEATH, BUT I THINK IT'D BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER FOR OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS.
AND IT WOULD INCENTIVE IT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE GO TO THESE PARKS AND AND, YOU KNOW, LOOK, A PARK CAN BE IN A PARKING LOT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.
SO AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT I DO THINK I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WHERE I'VE SEEN THIS STUFF AND IS DONE WITH SOME SUCCESS, THESE TRUCKS ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN SELLING CARS.
ALL THOSE CAR DEALERSHIPS ARE ALL TOGETHER FOR A REASON.
AND WE'RE FOOD TRUCKS ALL GATHER.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
THANKS. OK, RUSTY, THANK YOU, I AGREE WITH YOU AND DANIEL, AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE TALKED ON FRIDAY, AND I DEFINITELY THINK THE FEE STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE WORKED WITH WITHOUT A DOUBT, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KIND OF.
STAY AWAY FROM GETTING TOO DEEP AND FEE STRUCTURE, BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT, I THINK WE'VE GOT FEE STRUCTURE TO WORK WITH PERIOD, AND I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING.
OK. NO, I KIND OF AGREE, AND MAYBE THE MAYBE THE FEES SHOULD BE STRICTLY ON THE FOOD TRUCK, NOT ON THE, NOT ON THE PARK, PER SAY, BECAUSE THE PARK IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO PROVIDE THE ELECTRICITY HAS TO PROVIDE THE SETUP.
AND WITHOUT THE FOOD TRUCK, THE PARK MAKES NO MONEY.
THE TRUCK IS STILL ABLE TO ROAM AND MAKE MONEY WITH THEIR WITH THEIR OFFERINGS.
BUT THE PARK, IN THEORY, CAN'T TURN A REVENUE UNLESS THEY HAVE THIS, THIS FOLLOWING THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE TRUCKS.
WELL, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK AND GOING INTO FEES AND STUFF, AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, WE KIND OF WANT TO AVOID THE FEE, BUT IT'S KIND OF DOVETAILING INTO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I SEE WHY EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE CONCESSION PARKS, BUT CONVERSELY, I DON'T WANT TO SEE WHERE WE'RE TAKING AWAY THE OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO RECOGNIZE A SITE, GET APPROVAL TO USE THAT SITE AND BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT SITE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE NONE OF US ARE CONCESSION PARK OWNERS OR CONCESSION TRUCK OWNERS.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY LOOK AND VIEW THINGS FROM THAT ASPECT.
AND I THINK THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT ASPECT, A DIFFERENT VIEWPOINT.
IT'S JUST LIKE WHEN I GO TO A CERTAIN TOWN, A NEW TOWN.
I LOOK AT THE AIRPORT AND I SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
THERE ARE ASPECTS OF. AND I TRY TO GET A PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
AND I THINK THERE'S INDIVIDUALS, THE INDIVIDUAL SHOULD BE ABLE TO SIGN UP IN AN APPROVED MANNER IN PLACE.
I'M SORRY, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER ON THE MARSHALS, BUT I THINK WE'VE ADDED SOME MARSHALS TO OUR CITY.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IS NEEDED.
MAYBE, MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL SO THAT I WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE, THAT I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF INDIVIDUAL PARKS OR INDIVIDUAL SITES.
THE PARKS, I THINK, SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE.
I KIND OF SEE PARKS FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN COLORADO AND ELSEWHERE, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ESTABLISHED PUBLIC PLACES WHERE THE CITY HAS INCENTIVIZED PEOPLE TO MAKE A PARK.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF MAKING A FOOD PARK CONCESSION PARK, THEN WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THE CITY IS READY TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO PLACE EVERYTHING IN ONE SPOT.
WHO KNOWS? EVENTUALLY, THE INDIVIDUAL SITES MAY PASS ON BECAUSE IT'S MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO BE IN A CONCESSION PARK, THAT'S ALL.
THANK YOU, STAN, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY COULD HAPPEN OVER TIME. WE'RE GOING TO GO REJONE AND THEN DAVID.
REJONE. OK, SO I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH STAN, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LEAVE YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD THAT ENTREPRENEURS AND ENTERPRISE WORK FREE ENTERPRISE WORK AS BEST AS IT CAN.
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BUT I THINK AS FAR AS THE FOOD PARKS INCENTIVIZING, I THINK THAT THE PERMITTING FOR GALVESTON IS SO ONEROUS.YOU KNOW, JUST HELPING THEM WITH THE PERMIT FEES, YOU KNOW, GETTING WATER METERS.
ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF A PERMIT OF A FOOD PARK IS GOING TO BE ALMOST COST, YOU KNOW, COST PROHIBITIVE.
SO IF WE WANT TO BUILD MORE FOOD PARKS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO RUN.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE INCENTIVIZE THE FOOD PARKS IS WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
DAVID. REJONE SPOKE VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO MENTION WAS ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PERMITTING PROCESS.
I THINK THAT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED IN QUESTION THREE, WHICH WAS WHAT INCENTIVES MAY BE USED TO ENCOURAGE CONCESSION PARKS TO FORM.
I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, PERMITTING, STREAMLINING OR DISCOUNTING.
AND THEN MAYBE THERE'S ALSO TO RUSTY'S POINT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT PIECE, WHICH OFFERS OFFERS MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR STREAMLINED OR ACCELERATED CODE ENFORCEMENT REVIEW.
AND LOOK AT US, WE KEEP IT TO ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
SO LET'S MOVE ON NOW TO NUMBER FOUR, SHOULD CONCESSION TO REMAIN IN THE SAME PLACE OR BE ALLOWED TO TO MOVE, AND I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THAT.
WHAT RESTRICTIONS MIGHT BE PLACED ON THIS? MANY CITIES ALLOW THREE TO FOUR SITES BASED ON A SCHEDULE, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING AND WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF PUNT THAT ONE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SEE WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY ON THAT.
AND AGAIN, THIS ONE WAS GOING TO WHEN WE GET TO A LICENSING FEE PART, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STAYING OUT OF THE LICENSING AND THE FEE STRUCTURE. WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO STRUCTURE FEES BASED ON HOW MANY PLACES THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO. AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE MOVED.
THE ANSWER WAS WE WERE GOING TO LET THEM MOVE AROUND AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO ENFORCEMENT ABOUT HOW MANY PLACES THEY CAN BE.
AND WE ALSO FOUND OUT LAST TIME WHEN BUTCH WAS WITH US, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WEREN'T HERE LAST TIME THAT BUTCH SAID HE WILL DO THAT, ENFORCEMENT WILL DO BETTER WITH A SET SCHEDULE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE AT X LOCATION ON TUESDAY, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE AT Y LOCATION ON WEDNESDAY.
NOT JUST I'M GOING TO BE HERE, HERE, HERE ON WHATEVER DAY.
OBVIOUSLY, THEY LIKE TO NAIL IT DOWN.
OK, DANIEL, WE'RE ON FIVE NOW ABOUT TEMPORARY PERMITS.
WELL, TEMPORARY PERMITS BE ALLOWED AND IF SO, HOW? WHAT WILL THEY COST AND WHAT DURATION WILL BE INCLUDED? CURRENTLY, THE ORDINANCE ONLY SPECIFIES A GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT OF SOME SORT IS REQUIRED.
HOWEVER, A TEMPORARY GALVESTON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMITS OR DIFFICULT FOR STAFF TO TRACK AND ENFORCE.
YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT ONE MORE THOROUGHLY, MR. LUNSFORD. RIGHT.
SO YEAH, IN THE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE HAD SOME I WOULD SAY CONFUSION.
AND YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF GCHD IN THE IN THE CITY HAVE HAD INCREASINGLY CLOSER, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, INTER GOVERNMENT COOPERATION.
SO THEY COMMUNICATE WITH US QUITE A BIT AND VICE VERSA.
BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, GCHD HAS A TEMPORARY PERMIT THAT PEOPLE CAN PULL FOR SO MUCH TIME.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE DURATION IS, BUT OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT MIRRORS THAT OR WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A FEW AND VERY UNFORTUNATE INSTANCES WHERE A PERSON, YOU KNOW, GOT THEIR GCHD PERMIT DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WASN'T A COUNTYWIDE PERMIT.
LIKE IN SOME PLACES, IT WON'T BE HERE IN GALVESTON COUNTY.
IT PROBABLY WON'T EVER HAPPEN.
AND SO THEY COME TO GALVESTON.
THEY RUN AFOUL OF THE CITY MARSHAL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD A [INAUDIBLE] PERMIT TOO. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A ONE AND DONE.
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SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO DO SOME SORT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROVISION FOR A TEMPORARY PERMIT ONCE AGAIN TO USE THE GENTLEMAN FROM CALIFORNIA AS AN EXAMPLE. HE COMES IN EVERY YEAR FOR LONE STAR.AND HE PULLS HE PAYS $1000 FOR A CONCESSION PARK PERMIT BECAUSE HE HAS MULTIPLE VENDORS THAT WORK WITH HIM AND THEY PAY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS PER VENDOR AND THEY'RE HERE FOR LONE STAR, AND THAT'S IT. I DON'T SEE THEM AGAIN TILL THE NEXT YEAR.
AND THERE'S MULTIPLE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT LONE STAR TALKING ABOUT MARDI GRAS.
BUT THE TRUTH IS, THERE ARE MULTIPLE SMALLER FESTIVALS THAT GO ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, SHRIMP FEST.
I THINK THERE'S A CHILI FESTIVAL THAT HAPPENS.
AND SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DO CALL US ASKING ABOUT, HEY, CAN I GET WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO BE HERE FOR THIS ONE WEEKEND AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING? AND SO THAT, YEAH, THE QUESTION IS NUMBER ONE, DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING? AND THEN NUMBER TWO, IF SO, BE THINKING ABOUT HOW MIGHT WE DO A TEMPORARY? SO, DANIEL, YOU SAID THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO DO THAT NICE REVENUE STREAM.
HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THIS, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME IN AND PAY YOU THE THOUSAND AND THEN HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND PAY THE FIVE HUNDRED TO BE THERE JUST FOR A WEEKEND? JUST HIM? OH, I MEAN, BUT DO OTHERS COME IN FOR MARDI GRAS OR SHRIMP FEST OR WHATEVER? YEAH, THEY DO.
BUT MOST OF THEM AND KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE FOLKS WHO OPERATE IN THE EVENT ZONES AND EITHER COORDINATE WITH PARKS DIRECTLY IF IT'S A PARK SPONSORED OR SPONSORED BY THE PARK APPROVED SPECIAL EVENT OR THE EVENT ORGANIZER IN THIS CASE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO DON'T WANT TO BE IN THOSE AREAS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
AND SO IF IT COMES UP SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A TOOL TO DO THAT.
THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY STRUCTURED, THEY PULL UP AN ANNUAL OR NOTHING.
SO NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THIS, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE, LIKE I SAID, OH, SAY A NUMBER, IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE.
AND FORTUNATELY, WE'RE LIKE, I SAID, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT [INAUDIBLE] MARTIAL SHUT THEM DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CITY PERMIT AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT A TEMPORARY PERMIT AND THE GCHD DOESN'T COVER EVERYTHING.
AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF I GET A GOOD NUMBER OF INQUIRIES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A TEMPORARY FROM PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T FOLLOW UP.
SO THAT BEGS THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WERE THEY DISCOURAGED AND DIDN'T PURSUE IT FURTHER? OR DID THEY SNEAK IN BY THE DARK OF NIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, JUST WEREN'T CAUGHT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO GET A NUMBER OF INQUIRIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR OVER VARIOUS THINGS GOING ON WHERE SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN JUST FOR THE WEEKEND AND THEN I NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN.
IT MAKES ME THINK THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY JUST OPERATING UNDER THE RADAR, AS YOU SUGGEST DANIEL. SO STAN I SEE YOUR HAND UP, WHAT DID YOU WANT TO ADD, SIR? WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK DANIEL ABOUT HE PRETTY MUCH TOUCH BASE ON WHAT I WAS SAYING, THINKING ABOUT, BUT THEN HE BROUGHT UP SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THERE WERE PEOPLE ASKING FOR TEMPORARY PERMITS, SHORT TERM PERMITS.
SO THAT MEANS THERE IS A, THERE'S A NEED OUT THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AND WE MIGHT BE NEEDING TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEN THAT WAY WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THE PEOPLE OF GALVESTON AND OUR GUESTS.
SO I THINK THE TEMPORARY PERMIT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE, IN MY OPINION, IT NEEDS TO BE EXPLORED. OK, THANK YOU, STAN, REJONE.
I WAS TAKING NOTES WHILE DANIEL WAS SPEAKING.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HIGHLIGHTED ON MY NOTES WAS THAT GALVESTON, WE WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
THERE'S LIKE I THINK THAT PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE ONLY WANT TO BE HERE IN THE SUMMERTIME AS WELL. I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE SEASONAL PERMITS BASED ON SEASONS AS WELL AS FESTIVAL AND EVENTS.
I MEAN, SAY, FOR INSTANCE, I ONLY WANT TO HAVE I WANT TO BE HERE MARCH THROUGH AUGUST.
AND THEN WE COULD CHARGE HALF THE RATE FOR THAT.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE HERE YEAR ROUND, AND THAT'S A YEAR ROUND PERMIT.
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SO I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD BREAK THE PERMITS UP SO THAT WE CAN GET AS MUCH BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE AND AS MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE AND AS MUCH OF AN EXPERIENCE AS WE CAN PROVIDE. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND, BUT I FEEL LIKE IT MAKES IT GENERATES INCOME.AND THE MORE PEOPLE WE CAN GET ON THE ISLAND, THE MORE INCOME THAT WE CAN HAVE IN, THE BETTER, LOWER OUR TAXES CAN BE, YOU KNOW, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
THAT WILL GENERATE THAT INCOME TO DO SOMETHING WITH.
SO PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT NOT JUST SEASONAL IN THE SENSE OF DAY PERMITS AND WEEKEND PERMITS, BUT, YOU KNOW, SPRING SUMMER FALL PERMITS AS WELL.
SO I THINK OVERALL, WHAT I'M HEARING THEN, IS THAT OVERALL TEMPORARY PERMITS SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND WE SHOULD EXPLORE HOW OTHER CITIES DO THAT, EITHER ON A FESTIVAL TYPE BASIS, A MONTHLY BASIS, A SEASONAL BASIS AND OUR WAY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, PLACES LIKE SAN ANTONIO HAVE A LOT OF FESTIVALS OR WHATEVER, TOO, BUT WE SHOULD EXPLORE HOW BEST TO DO IT ON OUR ISLAND.
SO LET'S SEE THE SHOW OF HANDS.
TEMPORARY PERMITS SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
DANIEL, I'M SEEING OF A UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THAT.
AND THEN WHAT WILL THEY COST AND WHAT DURATION WILL BE INCLUDED? THAT'S TO BE EXPLORED BY STAFF.
CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT, THAT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT I BELIEVE DONNA HAD MADE OR TIM HAD MADE OR BOTH HAD MADE PREVIOUSLY THAT YES, STAFF CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THE FEE STRUCTURES AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
NUMBER SIX IS THE FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ANNUAL FEE ACCEPTABLE MOVING FORWARD? AGAIN, THERE WE GET, WE ARE INTO FEES AND I THINK THAT WE WANTED TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT FOR THIS INITIAL DISCUSSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE WANT TO MOVE PAST THAT ONE, DANIEL.
YEAH, I BELIEVE SO WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
WE GOT THROUGH THE FIRST SIX, DANIEL, ESPECIALLY BY IGNORING THAT SIXTH ONE.
SO SHOULD SEATING BE ALLOWED OR REQUIRED? AND IF SO, HOW MUCH? SO, COMMISSIONERS ON THIS ONE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT FOOD TRUCK PARKS AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT STAND ALONE.
SO A STAND ALONE TRAILER OR TRUCK, SO SHOULD SEATING BE ALLOWED OR REQUIRED? SO TWO ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS ALLOWED AND REQUIRED STAND ALONE FOOD TRUCK PARKS.
WHO'S GOT A THOUGHT? I SEE. OH, RUSTY'S HAND IS UP, DAVID'S HAND IS UP.
WE'LL GO WITH RUSTY FIRST, THEN DAVID.
OH, SO MANY. IT'S LIKE FALLING LEAVES.
SO MANY HANDS. OK, SO ONCE I TOUCHED ON THIS BRIEFLY, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THREE [INAUDIBLE] I THINK WE NEED TO ELIMINATE THE TABLES OR SEATING.
AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE FOLKS FOOD TRUCK OPERATORS TO GO FOOD TRUCK PARK ROUTE WHERE WE WOULD LET THEM HAVE TABLES AT A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
KEEP IN MIND, IF THEY HAVE TABLES, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A RESTROOM TOO.
SO I'M OF THE OPINION THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO STAND ALONE UNITS, THEY WE SHOULDN'T LET THEM, YOU KNOW, SET UP CAMP, NOT GO TO A COMMISSARY AND HAVE TABLES.
SO THE FOOD TRUCK PARK? YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S I THINK THAT COULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO GET SOME FOLKS OUT OF THERE.
THEN YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S MOBILE STANDALONE, NO TABLE.
IF IT'S A FOOD TRUCK, PARK DO MAKE THE TABLES REQUIRED OR AN OPTION? WELL. [INAUDIBLE] REQUIREMENTS, I KNOW.
NO, NO, NO. YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK IF YOU'RE A FOOD TRUCK PARK OPERATOR, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TABLES.
YEAH. AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO PUT SOME LIMITATION ON THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN END UP WITH A BUNCH OF TABLES AND YOU RUN INTO PARKING PROBLEMS. SO ALL THAT STUFF IS KIND OF TIED TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A FOOD TRUCK PARK OPERATOR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TABLES AND YOU PROVIDE THEM FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS, THE TRUCKS DON'T BRING THEM.
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SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THEY A REQUIREMENT? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW ME, I'M GOING TO SAY NO, BUT THAT'S WHAT I SAID, DON'T FENCE YOU IN.THAT'S RIGHT YOU'RE GETTING TO BE PREDICTABLE RUSTY.
I SAY YOU LAST WEEK YOU WERE VERY UNPREDICTABLE.
I'M WORKING ON IT. OH, I LIKE IT.
ALL RIGHT. SO, DAVID, YOU'RE NEXT.
YEAH, KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT RUSTY SAID.
FIRST OFF, IF QUESTION FOUR, IF WE'RE ALLOWING CONCESSIONS TO MOVE, THEN ABSOLUTELY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE THE REQUIREMENT OF TABLES OR SEATING BEING REQUIRED.
SO THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
AS FAR AS THE THE PARK OPERATOR, I THINK THAT I'M WITH RUSTY AND THAT IT SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE REQUIRED, BUT IT SHOULD BE MAYBE POSSIBLY INCENTIVIZED.
MAYBE WE COULD OFFER UP SOME SUGGESTIONS RELATED TO RATIOS THAT FOOD PARK OPERATORS MIGHT BE LOOKING TO DO RELATED TO APPLICABLE SEATING TO BE ALLOWED SO MOBILE SHOULD BE ALLOWED, NOT REQUIRED. AND FOR THE THE THE PARKS BE ALLOWED, NOT REQUIRED, BUT INCENTIVIZED.
OK, SO YOU ARE GOOD ON ALLOWING THEM AT THE MOBILE, JUST NOT REQUIRING THEM.
HERE WE GO. YEAH, I THINK HE JUST KIND OF HIT ON THE POINT I WAS THINKING ABOUT JUST ALLOW IT TO BE AN OPTION.
AND ON THE PARKS, I MEAN, A PARK IS GOING TO HAVE MORE PERMANENCE TO IT.
SO I KIND OF LEAN TOWARD IF IT'S GOING TO BE, I MEAN, THAT'S GETTING LIKE A RESTAURANT WHEN YOU GO AND PUT A PARK IN BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT MULTIPLE PEOPLE, LOCATIONS, EVERYTHING.
SO I'M KIND OF THINKING, WELL, MAYBE AT A AT A CONCESSION PARK, TABLES AND CHAIRS MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO HAVE SET AS A MINIMUM.
BUT I'M FLEXIBLE ON THAT BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR WHOEVER HAS THE COURAGE TO START A CONCESSION TRUCK PARK.
AND MAYBE JUST WE NEED TO SEE HOW IT GOES WITH IF THIS TAKES OFF.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE WE'RE NOT SURE IF THE CONCESSION PARK WILL TAKE CONCESSIONS FROM THE PARK WILL TAKE OFF. ARE WE? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY KIND OF INPUT THAT THAT THERE'S BEEN REQUEST OR DANIEL? DO YOU ALL KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT'S COME AND TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT THAT? WE CURRENTLY HAVE TECHNICALLY FIVE, OH, I THOUGHT WE JUST HAD THREE.
WOW. WE HAVE THE ONE ON THE FAR WEST END.
WE HAVE AND I'M COUNTING SAENGERFEST, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT REALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE A CONCESSION PARK. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE FOOD SERVICE OUT THERE.
SO I'M COUNTING SAENGERFEST, HINDLEY GREEN CURRENTLY HAS TWO TRUCKS.
THEY'VE GOT SPACES FOR THREE, AND THEY'VE BEEN REALLY A CONCESSION PARK SO FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WE TECHNICALLY HAVE A CONCESSION PARK ON BROADWAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY TWO TRUCKS WAS MORE OF A HAPPENSTANCE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE AT THE CORNER OF POST OFFICE AND BROADWAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, PLANNED.
SO OF THOSE PARKS, FIVE OF THEM, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, FOUR OF THE FIVE WERE ACTUALLY IN SOME WAY PLAYING ONE JUST KIND OF HAPPEN BECAUSE TWO PEOPLE WANT TO BE ON THE SAME SITE.
DANIEL, ARE YOU COUNTING THE ONE THAT'S AN ET CETERA? YES, THAT'S THE ONE AT THAT POST OFFICE.
I'M SORRY, I SAID BROADWAY, I MEANT TWENTY FIFTH POST OFFICE AND TWENTY FIFTH, BUT YES.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS THROWING ME.
OK. WHO HAD ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THAT? WHAT I HAVE SO FAR? MY BIDS SO FAR ON SEATING IS MOBILE.
FOR MOBILE. WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM AND FOR TABLES.
WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM AND NOT REQUIRE THEM.
FOR FOOD TRUCK PARKS, WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM AND NOT REQUIRE THEM, AND WE SHOULD PERHAPS SUGGEST APPROPRIATE RATIOS.
FOR THEM THAT THEY MIGHT THAT MIGHT WORK FOR THEIR CUSTOMER BASE OR THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS THAT THEY HAVE. ARE WE GOOD ON THAT? DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? GOING, GOING GONE? IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT I HAVE STATED, RAISE YOUR HAND, PLEASE.
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ALL RIGHT, DANIEL, WE HAD A UNANIMOUS ON THAT.NUMBER EIGHT, SHOULD RESTROOM ACCESS BE REQUIRED? MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK.
YES, RESTROOM ACCESS, RESTROOM ACCESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED.
COMMISSIONER EDWARDS, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
I WAS JUST GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU AS A WOMAN OF A CERTAIN AGE, I HAVE STRONG OPINION ON RESTROOM ACCESS.
BUT THIS ALSO FALLS INTO THAT AREA WHERE WE TALK ABOUT INCENTIVIZING BECAUSE DO WE HAVE A PORTABLE RESTROOM THERE OR ARE WE SAYING THAT YOU KNOW THAT THERE SOME TYPE OF RESTROOM FACILITY THERE? WHICH ONE ARE WE SAYING THAT WE DO FOOD TRUCK PARKING? IT'S A PERMANENT STRUCTURE THAT'S KIND OF THAT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF DIFFICULT, BUT I DO AGREE, FOOD TRUCK PARK, 100 PERCENT HAS TO HAVE A RESTROOM.
NOW, IF WE IF A PERSON, I WOULD SAY IF A MOBILE LOCATION HAS A TABLE, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE A RESTROOM. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A TABLE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A RESTROOM. HEY, NOW EXPLAIN THAT TO ME.
WHY IS THERE? WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GO HAND IN HAND? BECAUSE I THINK IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN AND EAT, IF WE'RE ALLOWING THE TABLES LIKE, OK, I GOT MY FOOD AND NOW I'M GOING TO SIT DOWN AND EAT.
THEN THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO USE THE RESTROOM SOMEWHERE.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TABLES AS IN EATING TABLES FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM A RESTROOM, YOU'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM A RESTAURANT ONCE THAT POINT HAPPENS.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S DON'T FORGET ABOUT TRASH, TOO.
THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE FOR CITY COUNCIL IS TRASH, TRASH, TRASH, TRASH.
ALL THESE PEOPLE WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS TRASH FOR ALL OF THEM TOO.
SO LET'S ADDRESS TRASH AFTER WE ADDRESS RESTROOMS. SO. IF YOU HAVE A TABLE, IF YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE IT, IF YOU GIVE A MOUSE A COOKIE, IF YOU HAVE A TABLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RESTROOM.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? OK, STAND YOUR HANDS UP, THEN, DAVID.
WELL, THAT'S SO WHAT ABOUT A RESTROOM? ACCESSIBLE, LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT YOU'RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH A COMMERCIAL VENUE AND THEY HAVE A RESTROOM INSIDE THEIR STORE AND YOU HAVE YOUR FOOD TRUCK OUTSIDE THEIR STORE. IS THAT OR IS THAT NOT A RESTROOM AVAILABLE? THAT'S WHY THIS SAYS RESTROOM ACCESS REQUIRED.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE THAT'S THERE AT, EAT CETERA, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE EAT CETERA RESTROOM.
OK, SO TO ME, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A REAL RESTROOM.
YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT YOU AND TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER? WHAT ABOUT HAND-WASHING? DO WE? IF IT'S RESTROOM? IS IT? IS THERE A HAND-WASHING WASHING STATION TOO? WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THESE.
I'M SURE Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THEM AT SOME OF THE LARGER EVENTS, THE HUGE MOBILE RESTROOM PLACES THAT HAVE HANDICAPPED AND LADIES AND MEN'S ROOM, AND THEY HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED RIGHT THERE COMPACT.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONCESSION PARK, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE IDEAL THING TO HAVE THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO SAY WE REQUIRE IT TO BE ONE OF THOSE.
I DONE FORGOT THE NAME OF THEM.
WE'VE NEVER USED TO AT OKTOBERFEST, BUT I'VE SEEN THEM AT OTHER FLY INS AND OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT, AND THEY'RE FANTASTIC.
SO LIKE AT OKTOBERFEST, Y'ALL USE JUST PORTA POTTIES, RIGHT? PORTA POTTIES WITH HANDICAPPED.
YES, WE HAD HANDICAPPED AND REGULAR.
AND THEN DO YOU JUST USE THE PURELL.
YES. YES, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO WORK WITH DOING THE HAND SANITIZERS BECAUSE OF THE CROWDS INVOLVED.
WE'D NEVER BE ABLE TO REFILL THE WASHING STATIONS.
WE TRIED IT ONE YEAR AND IT WAS IT WAS EPIC FAIL AND WE HAD TO STOP BUYING PURELL.
SO OK, SO YOU JUST USE PORTA POTTIES AND THEN HAND SANITIZER? HAND SANITIZERS WITHIN, THEY MAKE THIS, WASTE MANAGEMENT HAD THIS A STATION AND IT HAS
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WATER IN IT, ACTUALLY.YOU HAVE TO FILL UP THE WATER AND THAT'S WHERE THE FAIL WAS.
YOU HAVE TO FILL THE WATER UP, SO YOU HAVE TO GET A HOSE OVER THERE TO FILL IT UP AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DRAIN THE WATER OUT OF THE WASTEWATER.
SO YOU'VE GOT GRAY WATER WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE GRAY WATER DOWN THE SEWER.
SO THAT'S NOT REALLY GOOD BECAUSE IT GOES OUT TO THEM AND GOES OUT TO OUR GULF AND IT GOES INTO OUR BACK BAY.
SO IT WAS IT WAS NOT IT WAS NOT A VIABLE, VIABLE THING, BUT THE SELF-CONTAINED ENTIRETY BATHROOM THAT THEY HAVE NOW, THE MODULAR KIND OF THING THAT'S THAT'S MOBILE.
BUT AGAIN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TABLES IN YOUR IN YOUR PARK.
AND PEOPLE WERE JUST WALKING IN AND WALKING OUT.
DO YOU NEED A RESTROOM? NOW, I WOULDN'T SAY I WOULDN'T SAY SO, EITHER, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST LIKE GOING TO MCDONALD'S DRIVE THRU, SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE SAME LEVEL I THINK IF YOU JUST LEFT IT UP TO THE OPTION TO SAY AGAIN, LEAVING UP THE OPTION OF THE PERSON THAT'S STICKING THEIR NECK OUT, TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING ON A CONCESSION PARK.
THE REST THE QUESTION RELATED TO SHOULD RESTROOM ACCESS BE REQUIRED? I WOULD SAY THAT THE ANSWER IS YES, ONLY IF THE FOOD IS TO BE CONSUMED ON SITE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LITTLE HONEY VENDOR THAT'S UP ON THE SEAWALL.
I MEAN, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT DOESN'T NEED A RESTROOM THERE.
HE'S NOT SELLING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSUMED ON SITE WHEN IT COMES SPECIFICALLY TO FOOD TRUCKS, THEN YES, IT DOES.
THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES AT WHAT POINT AND WHAT LEVEL? I LIKED YOUR COMMENT, JEFFREY.
THAT SAID RESTROOM ACCESS SHOULD BE REQUIRED.
IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT TYPE OF ACCESS, WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS AN EXISTING RESTROOM FACILITY OR IF IT NEEDS TO BE A PORTABLE FACILITY.
THE QUESTION, THOUGH THE POINT THAT STAN BROUGHT UP GETS TO WHEN WE START LOOKING AT DENSITIES AND IF WE'VE GOT TWO OR MORE FOOD TRUCKS OR IF WE'VE GOT A PARK, THEN WHAT LEVEL OF ACCESS NEEDS TO BE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE STEPPED UP IN SOME CAPACITY ONE OR TWO, YOU PROBABLY GET AWAY WITH JUST PARTNERING UP OR PROVIDING A PORTABLE PARTNERING UP WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS A RESTROOM FACILITY OR WITH A PORTABLE A PORTABLE DEVICE MORE THAN THAT THAN YOU PROBABLY OUGHT TO TAKE A HARDER LOOK AT IT. I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S SOME THRESHOLD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I DON'T PRETEND TO BE AN EXPERT IN FOOD PREPARATION, DENSITY RESTROOM RATIOS.
I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE, DAVID, WHY NOT? I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE REASON WE GOT YOU ON THIS COMMISSION, DOGGONE IT.
I'LL DO WHAT I CAN. ALL RIGHT.
SO YOU GUYS, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE FURTHER AND THIS WOULD BE DANIEL. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF WE HAVE IF A FOOD TRUCK PARK OR MOBILE VENDOR HAS TABLES.
IF THEY HAVE TABLES, THEY NEED TO HAVE RESTROOM ACCESS AND HAND SANITATION.
WHAT WE'LL NEED TO EXPLORE IS THE RATIO OF RESTROOMS TO VENDORS.
SO AND IT IS RESTROOM ACCESS SO THAT IF THEY MIGHT BE ONE, IT MIGHT BE TWO, IT MIGHT BE WHATEVER.
WELL, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS, THE RESTROOMS AND ACCESS AND EVERYTHING.
WOULDN'T GC? HD. YEAH, SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SOME SAY INTO WHAT WHAT THE CRITERIA IS, I KNOW THEY'VE NEVER SAID ANYTHING TO US DURING OKTOBERFEST ABOUT HOW MANY RESTROOMS WE'VE HAD TO HAVE OR ANY KIND OF HAND-WASHING STATIONS.
BUT THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WE'RE TALKING TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
MAYBE SHOULD WE STEP BACK AND AND ASK GCHD FOR SOME GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT RATIO WOULD BE GOOD? OR MAYBE THEY COULD OR DANIEL, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU AND YOUR GUYS MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET GET SOME KIND OF INPUT ON THAT.
OH, WE CAN YEAH, WE COULD LOOK INTO IT AND SEE, I MEAN, MY GUT REACTION IS GCHD.
THEY MAY STAY IN THEIR LANE AND SAY THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS
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BECAUSE THIS IS A CITY DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING.BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN WHAT OTHER CITIES DO OR IF THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, CUT OFF POINT AT WHICH, OH, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE FOR SURE.
OK. ALL RIGHT, SO NOW WAS THAT AS CLEAR AS MUD ON WHAT WE HAVE THERE, IF THERE ARE TABLES, THEN WE NEED RESTROOM, EX RESTROOM AND HAND SANITIZING STATIONS RATIO TO BE DETERMINED.
DO WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU AGREE.
OK, WAIT, I DIDN'T SEE DAVID'S HAND.
I DIDN'T. DAVID DOESN'T AGREE.
DAVID, SO, YEAH, SO, JEFFREY, THE STATEMENT ABOUT IF YOU PROVIDE TABLES, YOU MUST PROVIDE A RESTROOM OR ACCESS TO A RESTROOM, IS THAT WHAT YOUR STATEMENT WAS? YES. OK.
HOW WOULD YOU WHAT TELL ME WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS? WELL, YOU'RE TYING IT TO IF SOMEBODY DROPS DOWN A CHAIR JUST FOR SOMEBODY TO ENJOY THEIR COMPANY, I WOULD SAY, LET'S USE THE HONEY VENDOR, RIGHT? HE'S SELLING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CONSUMED ON SITE.
OR NOT INTENDED TO BE CONSUMED ON SITE, AND SO I THINK THAT YOU TIE THE RESTROOMS BACK TO THE INTENDED CONCESSION.
YOU FOLLOW. I SEE YOUR POINT, RUSTY, DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? YOU KNOW, THE HONEY VENDOR IS A CONCESSIONAIRE.
I DON'T THINK THEY OPERATE AS A FOOD TRUCK, SO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
I'M PRETTY CERTAIN. OK, SO WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS THEN IN THIS CASE. YEAH, I THINK THAT THE THE HONEY TRUCK DOES OPERATE UNDER THESE RULES, DON'T THEY, DANIEL? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM CERTAIN HEALTH DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS, PER STATE LAW.
BUT YEAH, THEY PULLED A CONCESSION PERMIT JUST LIKE A TACO TRUCK OR ANYONE ELSE DID.
ALL RIGHT, MY BAD. SO AND I ONLY KNOW THAT RUSTY, BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY ASK ABOUT THEM, WHAT'S SO THEN LET'S PUT AN EXTRA QUALIFIER IN THERE ON NOT JUST IF THERE ARE TABLES PRESENT, BUT IF CONSUMABLE.
HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO SAY, HOW DO YOU WANT TO SAY IT DAVID CONSUMABLE..
IF THE FOOD IS INTENDED TO BE CONSUMABLE ON SITE? OK, IF FOOD IS CONSENT CAN INTENDED TO BE CONSUMABLE ON SITE AND THERE ARE TABLES PRESENT, THEN RESTROOM ACCESS AND HAND-WASHING STATION MUST BE PROVIDED.
CAN WE ALL GET ON BOARD WITH THAT? DAVID, WE GOOD HANDS UP.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ALL GOOD WITH THAT.
NOW LET'S HANDLE LET'S SEE IF WE CAN HANDLE TRASH REAL QUICKLY.
SINCE SINCE COUNCIL CAN'T HANDLE TRASH, LET'S TALK ABOUT TRASH WILL. REAL QUICKLY.
AND THEN I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO GET TO NINE IF WE CAN TODAY OR WE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NINE ON A DAY WHEN RUSTY IS HERE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK RUSTY. WE NEED RUSTY'S EXPERTISE ON THIS.
DOES EVERY CONCESSION, EVERY FOOD TRUCK NEED TO HAVE THEIR OWN TRASH CAN? IF THEY SELL SOMETHING THAT IS INTENDED TO BE CONSUMED ON SITE.
DOES THE HONEY TRUCK NEED TO HAVE A TRASH CAN OR ONLY IF SOMEBODY'S INTENDING TO SELL SOMETHING THAT'S TO BE CONSUMED ON SITE? I SAW DAVID GIVE THE THUMBS UP TO BE CONSUMED ON SITE.
WHERE ARE WE CONSUMED ON SITE IS STAN? YES. OK.
STEPHEN GAVE THAT A YES, RUSTY YOU'RE...
I'M I'M GOOD WITH THAT AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT.
THEY DO ME, RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO GIVE THEM UNMITIGATED HELL AND I GOT NO TRASH PROBLEM AT MY HOUSE.
I MEAN, WELL, MY HUSBAND IS MY TRASH PROBLEM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT.
SO IF THERE IS FOOD SOLD TO BE CONSUMED WITH THE INTENT OF BEING
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CONSUMED ON SITE, THE VENDOR MUST PROVIDE A TRASH RECEPTACLE.ALL RIGHT. THAT'S UNANIMOUS, DANIEL.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING ON DOWN HERE.
YES. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DRESSED UP INSIDE? I MEAN, THEY JUST PUT OUT A TRASH CAN OUT THERE AND PEOPLE CAN THROW THEIR TRASH IN THE TRASH CAN. YEAH.
AND NOW HERE'S WHERE THIS COMES IN TO Y'ALL'S PROBLEM, RIGHT? WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WITH THAT TRASH, RIGHT JOHN PAUL? WELL, I MEAN, I JUST I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IF Y'ALL ARE SAYING THAT, THEY JUST NEED TO PROVIDE SOME KIND OF TRASH RECEPTACLE AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO DISPOSE OF THAT PROPERLY THEN. THAT'S ALL I WANT.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO GET A CITY TRASH CAN OUT THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OK, SO DO WE NEED TO SAY THEY PROVIDE A PRIVATE RECEPTACLE? TELL ME HOW TO TELL ME HOW IT SHOULD READ? OR JUST THAT THEY NEED TO DISPOSE OF THEIR TRASH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOME MEANS OF THAT, THAT IS ACCEPTABLE.
YOU KNOW? PRIVATE TRASH RECEPTACLE TO BE DISPOSED OF IN A.
.. YOU KNOW, THEY CAN EITHER TAKE IT TO THE CITY TRANSFER STATION OR PUT IT IN THEIR TRASH CAN AT HOME, OR THEY JUST NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR TRASH, I GUESS.
OK. [INAUDIBLE] GO TO THE COMMISSARY.
YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT, RUSTY.
I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON KIND OF WHAT YOU WANTED ON THAT.
I THINK I THINK STAFF CAN PROBABLY HANDLE THE LANGUAGE THERE.
I JUST DID. I WAS KIND OF ASKING ABOUT IF YOU ALL WERE TRYING TO MAKE THEM PROVIDE LIKE A CITY TRASH RECEPTACLE WHERE THEY ARE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK.
BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRASH AND THEY DISPOSE OF IT IN THE PROPER MANNER. YEAH.
AND YOU DON'T WANT THEM GOING AROUND THE CORNER AND STICKING IT IN A CITY TRASH CAN AT THE CORNER OF WALK AND DON'T WALK, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S CORRECT.
BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM THAT Y'ALL ARE HAVING, RIGHT? YEP. THE PROBLEM WILL CONTINUE.
I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, UNTIL PEOPLE GET A FEW TICKETS WITH THAT, IT WILL CONTINUE.
YEAH. SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE ABSOLUTELY PUT THAT IN OUR LANGUAGE, DANIEL.
AND LET'S SEE YOUR HANDS UP, DANIEL.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, I THINK MAYBE HELPFUL BOTH FOR THE TRASH, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS AND FOR THE ISSUE ABOUT HOW TEMPORARY AND SEASONAL PERMITS ARE HANDLED. COUNCIL NOT TOO LONG AGO SAW A REVISED, TEMPORARY AND SEASONAL PARKING LOT APPLICATION PROCESS CHANGE.
I THINK THAT HAPPENED IN JULY.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME PARALLELS HERE THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR Y'ALL MOVING FORWARD. SPECIFICALLY, YOU KNOW, A TRASH RECEPTACLES ARE REQUIRED LIKE ONE PER 20 SPACES IN THIS CASE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT DOES LAY OUT A PROCESS AND PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS FOR, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS ARE USUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH LIKE LONE STAR OR MARDI GRAS. WE GET THOSE EVERY YEAR AND ALSO A SEASONAL PARKING PERMIT, WHICH GOES FROM THE FIRST WEEK OF MARCH THROUGH LABOR DAY.
SO THAT'S IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.
I BELIEVE IF NOT, STAFF CAN PROVIDE YOU A COPY.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR Y'ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN WORKSHOPS AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IS SEE IF THAT HELPS IT ALL.
OK, GREAT. WILL YOU SEND THAT TO US, PLEASE, SIR? YEAH, WE'LL DO ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. DANIEL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THIS NEXT ONE? I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT'S NO.
OK, SO NEXT ON NUMBER NINE IS HOW SHOULD CONCESSIONS BE ALLOWED TO ACCESS ELECTRICAL POWER? ARE THERE OTHER ACCEPTABLE OPTIONS OTHER THAN DEDICATED PEOPLE OR GENERATOR? RUSTY, DANIEL AND I HAD A TALK ABOUT THIS ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON, AND I'M SORRY, I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE HOT SEAT HERE, BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT THESE, THESE THINGS, THESE RV TYPE POWER THINGS AND AND SOME OF YOUR OTHER COMMISSIONERS MIGHT DO.
AND I JUST I'M NOT AWARE OF IT.
WE'VE I THINK WE'VE OVER THOUGHT THIS AND DANIEL'S THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS UP, THIS IS NOT MY IDEA.
THIS BECAUSE IT'S SMART, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT MINE, IT'S DANIEL'S IDEA.
HE SAID, WE'VE DEFINITELY OVER THOUGHT THIS AND MAYBE WE NEED TO JUST CUT THIS BACK TO.
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YOU KNOW, A LESS COMPLICATED WAY OF DEFINING WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE METHOD OF POWERING THESE FOOD TRUCKS.DANIEL, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN I CAN? SURE. SO YEAH, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CHRIS HARRISON, OF COURSE, WAS OUR FIRE MARSHAL, AND I WANT TO FIND THAT THOSE NOTES HERE IN JUST A SECOND AND BRING THEM.
OK. YEAH, SO HE YOU KNOW, I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIM.
MY QUESTION WAS EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD FD CONSIDER TO BE A SAFE WAY FOR A CONCESSION TO HOOK INTO POWER? AND HE SAID THAT THEY WERE BASICALLY OK WITH ANYTHING THAT CONFORMS TO INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND NATIONAL ELECTRICAL ELECTRICAL CO, WHICH IN A NUTSHELL, IS.
SO TECHNICALLY, A GENERATOR WOULD BE FINE, TECHNICALLY A TEA POLE AND METER LIKE WE HAVE NOW, IT'D BE FINE, BUT ALSO IN RV HOOK UP WOULD BE FINE, ACCORDING TO MR. HARRISON. SO THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE OVERTHINKING THIS CAME FROM THAT.
YOU KNOW, HIS BOTTOM LINE WAS, IF IT'S OK BY NEC IF IT'S OK WITH WHICH IS NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE AND IF IT'S OK WITH THEIR INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE, WHICH ARE THE TWO RESPECTIVE CODES THE CITY OF GALVESTON USES.
HE DIDN'T REALLY SEE A PROBLEM WITH HOW THAT'S ACTUALLY DONE.
AND WE'VE PREVIOUSLY, OF COURSE, TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH REQUIRING THAT THEY BE ON ONE OF THE TWO AND THAT NO FOOD TRUCK CAN OPERATE ON A GENERATOR INDEFINITELY.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS FOR SOMEONE I SEE, I SAW A LOT OF NODDING HEADS IN THAT, AND I THINK THAT ANYONE ON THIS COMMISSION OTHER THAN ME UNDERSTANDS ELECTRICITY.
ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS ELECTRICITY BETTER THAN I DO.
SO I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO PROPOSE THE WORDING ON WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE, AN ACCEPTABLE OPTION ON HOW WE SAY THESE FOOD TRUCKS MAY BE POWERED.
AN ACCEPTABLE MEANS FOR THE FOOD TRUCK TO FOOD TRUCKS TO BE POWERED.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE THE PERSON.
OH, AND A HAND GOES UP AND IT'S RUSTY WALLA, RUSTY WALLA FOR THE WIN.
I'M ALWAYS A SUCKER FOR THE FIRST SHOT AT IT.
SO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK WE HAVE FOOD TRUCK PARKS WHERE WE HAVE TRUCKS IN A PARK.
THOSE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO POWER.
AND IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT HARD, QUITE FRANKLY.
I THINK IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OUT, YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUAL TRUCK OUT ON THE STREET, THEY'RE GOING TO RUN ON A GENERATOR.
I THINK WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS A BUNCH OF FOOD TRUCKS PARKED IN A PARK RUNNING GENERATORS BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A NOISE THING AND FUMES.
AND IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT NOT GOOD.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS A FOOD TRUCK RUNNING ON A GENERATOR, YOU KNOW, STAND ALONE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT, MY OPINION IS IS WE DON'T WANT THEM PARKED, YOU KNOW, IN A PLACE WHERE THEY DON'T MOVE AND THEY'RE RUNNING ON A GENERATOR FOR DAYS ON END.
SO WHAT'S THE WHAT WOULD WE SAY? OH, SORRY, STAN AND REJONE.
YOUR HAND WAS UP FIRST AND THEN REJONE.
STAN. OK, WELL, I KIND OF LIKE WHAT RUSTY IS SAYING TO THE RESTRICTIONS ON RUNNING A GENERATOR FULL TIME FIRST PERSON IT'S GOING TO BE BAD AND THE CONCESSION PARK.
SO MAYBE ON THE CONCESSION PARK ASPECT.
POWER THAT COULD BE ONE WAY THAT THE CONCESSION PARK OWNER COULD MAKE SOME MONEY OFF OF IT CHARGING A SURCHARGE FOR PROVIDING POWER, POWER WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE PARK OWNER, THEREFORE, AND IT MUST COMPLY WITH THE CODES OF NEC AND IFC.
SO YOU'VE GOT YOU KIND OF COVER THAT BASE AND THEN JUST INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS WILL COMPLY WITH OR JUST INDIVIDUAL TRUCKS CANNOT UTILIZE EXTENSION CORDS EXCEEDING I MEAN, HOW I
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MEAN, WITH A GENERATOR, YOU STILL GOT TO HAVE, YOU STILL GOT TO HAVE A CORD GOING FROM THE GENERATOR TO THE UNITS, SO THERE MIGHT WANT TO BE A FOOT LENGTH, I THINK MOST RV TRAILERS AND STUFF, I THINK THERE ARE NO MORE THAN 12 FOOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE HEAVY GAUGE AND RUSTY OR SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.BUT A TYPICAL IS ABOUT 30, 30 FOOT, 20 TO 30, YEAH 20.
YEAH. SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO SAY? NOT GREATER THAN HOW MANY FEET? [INAUDIBLE] YOUR SHOT? TWENTY. YEAH.
THEY ALL HAVE EVERY FOOD TRUCK, HAS AN EXTENSION CORD TO PLUG IN AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY LINKED. YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT YOU WANT TO TRY AND ELIMINATE GUYS WHO ARE CREATING A THEY HAVE A CORD AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER CORD IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, 100 FOOT FROM WHERE THEY'RE PLUGGING IN. THAT'S A FIRE HAZARD.
YOU DON'T WANT A GUY RUNNING RUNNING A 30 AMP OVER TO HIS SOME BUILDING THAT'S ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FEET AWAY TRYING TO SUCK UP SOME POWER.
BECAUSE HIS BUDDY SAID, GIVE ME 20 BUCKS AND YOU CAN DO IT.
THERE'S A FOOD TRUCK PARK IN HOUSTON OVER BY THE ASTRODOME, WELL IT'S NOT THE ASTRODOME ANYMORE, SO I'M DATING MYSELF, BUT AND THEY HAVE THESE HUGE GENERATORS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, LIKE BIG POWER THINGIES OR HUGE.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME OF THEM, BUT AND THEY RUN THESE HEAVY DUTY CABLES ALL OVER THIS PARK. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE RUNS DOWN THE CENTER OF THE PARK AND THIS PARK IS LARGE.
I MEAN, IT TOOK OVER THE WAL-MART, THE SAM'S PARKING LOT OVER THERE OFF OF BANNON, YEAH BANNON. AND I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO THE CORDAGE AND THE CABLING AND THE GENERATORS, I THINK THAT WE'RE PROBABLY TO ME.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT LIKE THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG GENERATORS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE STEADY POWER THERE. THEY DON'T THEY'RE USING THESE MASSIVE GENERATORS THAT MAKE MASSIVE NOISE AND HAVE TONS OF CABLING.
THERE'S SO MUCH CABLING THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU HOOK UP AT A FESTIVAL, YOU KNOW HOW THEY HAVE ALL THAT CABLING RUNNING DOWN THE STREET, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS.
SO IF SOMEONE HAD A FOOD PARK, A LARGE ENOUGH FOOD PARK, THEN WITHOUT THE EXPENSE OF, YOU KNOW, CABLING AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY DON'T PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A METER AT EVERY STATION AND ALL THAT MINUS ALL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO END UP WITH THESE BIG GENERATORS.
SO I THINK HOW ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HANDLING THAT? ARE WE JUST SAYING THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE IN THE REALM OF A REGULAR GENERATOR? OR, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS SAYING THAT THAT'S TOO MUCH NOISE OR THERE'S A CABLING THERE, WHAT DOES THE FIRE MARSHAL SAY? I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, YOU KNOW, GENERATORS IS VERY BROAD.
WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT GENERATORS AND UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PUT [INAUDIBLE] OR INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUT IN METERS AT EVERY HOOK UP STATION, LIKE AT AN RV PARK BECAUSE RUSTY, DO Y'ALL HAVE HOOK UPS AT EVERY STATION? YEAH, WE ACTUALLY YOU COULD CONNECT A FOOD TRUCK AT EVERY SINGLE RV SITE THAT WE HAVE.
OK. THAT'S THAT'S IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ARE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
WHY DON'T WE DO WHAT DALE SAID AND LET'S MAKE IT OR WAIT, CHRIS SAID.
LET'S MAKE IT A, YOU KNOW, A CODE COMPLIANT THING.
YEAH. OPERATOR. BUT YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T NEED TO SPECIFY LENGTH, BUT JUST THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, ANY C CODE, WHATEVER.
I AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT WE GET TOO GRANULAR AND WE MAY SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT. OK.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF TIME.
JOHN PAUL, YOUR HAND HAD BEEN UP, IT'S DOWN NOW.
DANIEL, I THINK TO THE LET'S DO IT QUICK HAND RAISE HERE, COMMISSIONERS, WE WANT TO DO WHAT DANIEL AND CHRIS SAID.
KEEP IT WITH AN NEC DRIVEN REGULATION ON THAT FOR THE ELECTRICAL POWER. KEEP IT VERY BROAD AND VERY SAFE.
I DON'T KNOW. YES, I HATE TO DO THIS.
BUT INTERJECTING WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD EARLIER WAS THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO PROHIBIT
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GENERATORS IN PARKS, CORRECT? NO, I'M SEEING SOME YESES AND SOME NO'S ON THAT.OK. RUSTY WAS SAYING YES BECAUSE HE THINKS IT'S A NOISE PROBLEM.
REJONE IS SAYING NO BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT THAT THOSE BIG GENERATORS, LIKE THEY HAVE IN HOUSTON, MIGHT HAVE A PLACE FOR US AT SOME TIME.
I THINK REJONE IS SAYING SHE THINKS THAT DANIEL NEEDS, SHE THINKS DANIEL NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF WE SHOULD MAKE SOME ALLOWANCES FOR THAT LIKE HOUSTON HAS.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT REJONE? I'M SEEING A YES FROM REJONE ON THAT.
OK, SO MAYBE DANIEL, LOOK AT WHAT HOUSTON HAS ON THAT.
PLEASE, SIR. OK, ARE WE GOOD COMMISSIONERS TO MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR MEETING? ANYBODY NEED A SECOND OR CAN WE MOVE ON BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN GET THIS MEETING DONE PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR BIG STUFF IS HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA.
OK, WE'RE OFF ONE STEP AND MOVE TO THE OTHER STACK.
I SUPPOSE I SHOULD HAVE ADJOURNED THE WORKSHOP.
WITHOUT OBJECTION, WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.