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[Call to Order]
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THE WORKSHOP MEETING [NOISE] FOR THE GALVESTON CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.
GLAD TO SEE EVERYBODY THIS MORNING, THOSE IN ATTENDANCE.
FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE WATCHING IN THE COMMUNITY, [NOISE] GLAD TO HAVE YOU THIS MORNING ATTEND OUR MEETING.
COULD YOU GO AHEAD PLEASE, JANELLE, AND DO THE ROLL CALL.
>> VERY GOOD. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM AND ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT.
BEFORE WE START WITH ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS MORNING, I WANT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO THOSE IN ATTENDANCE AND TO THOSE THAT ARE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAVING AN INCREASED RISE OF INFECTIONS OF THE VARIANTS OF COVID-19.
THE CITY HAS BEEN IN DIALOGUE WITH UTMB.
UTMB NOW IS IN THE TOP FIVE OF ALL THE HOSPITALS IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF TEXAS WITH THE NUMBER OF INFECTIONS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE HOSPITAL.
WE ARE HAVING A RASH OF INFECTIONS HERE AT THE CITY.
DAN OR BRIAN MAY EXPAND ON THAT AS WE GO THROUGH SOME DISCUSSIONS LATER.
WE'RE HAVING A RASH OF INFECTIONS IN SOME OF OUR OTHER ALLIED ORGANIZATIONS.
I KNOW THE PORT IS EXPERIENCING SOME INFECTIONS OVER THERE.
IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE WOULD RECOMMEND SOCIAL DISTANCING AND IF YOU CAN'T, MASK WEARING, AND WE APPRECIATE FOLLOWING ANY PERSONAL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS THAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND YOURSELF.
WE WILL HAVE A ANNOUNCEMENT THIS AFTERNOON, I THINK, AT OUR REGULAR MEETING ON SOME PROTOCOL CHANGES FOR CITY HALL AND CITY [NOISE] COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AFTERNOON.
SAYING THAT, LET'S MOVE TO OUR [OVERLAPPING].
>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT [OVERLAPPING].
>> I WAS IN A EXCELLENT MEETING YESTERDAY MORNING AT THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AT THE GEDP AND DR. SHARMA FROM UTMB DID A PRESENTATION.
OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE HOSPITAL, 95 PERCENT OF THEM ARE NOT VACCINATED.
I'M A BELIEVER IN THE VACCINE AND I'M JUST SAYING, 95 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW ARE NOT VACCINATED, AND THEY'RE ALSO UNDER 50.
>> THOSE THAT ARE IN THE HOSPITAL AT UTMB THAT ARE VACCINATED, THE VERY SMALL NUMBER, THEY HAVE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES MEDICALLY THAT IS CAUSING THEIR CONDITION TO WORSEN.
LET'S MOVE TO OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS.
[3G. Discussion Of An Ordinance Of The City Of Galveston, Texas, Authorizing The Issuance Of City Of Galveston, Texas, Wharves And Terminal Revenue Refunding Bonds, Series 2021a And City Of Galveston, Texas, Wharves And Terminal Revenue Refunding Bonds, Series 2021b (AMT); Authorizing The Redemption Prior To Maturity And Defeasance Of Certain Outstanding Obligations; Authorizing The Execution Of A Supplemental Trust Indenture; Authorizing The Execution And Delivery Of A Purchase Agreement Relating To The Bonds; Making Various Findings And Provisions Related Thereto; And Providing For The Effective Date Thereof. (M. Loftin)]
IF IT MET YOUR APPROVAL COUNCIL, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEM 3G, WHICH IS AT THE END OF OUR AGENDA.I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT UP TO THE BEGINNING HERE, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
THIS IS ABOUT THE REFUNDING ITEM FOR THE PORT.
WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS, WE HAVE OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PORT HERE, OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE WORKS BOARD AND OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR OF THE PORT HERE, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
WILL THAT MEET COUNCILS APPROVAL?
>> VERY GOOD. JANELLE, COULD YOU READ ITEM 3G, PLEASE, MA'AM.
>> ITEM 3G. DISCUSSION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON TEXAS AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE.
THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS WANT AND TERMINAL REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS.
SERIAL 2021 A, EXPERIENCED OTHERS CAN CHECK THIS, ONCE THE TERMINAL REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS PEERING 2021 B AMP, AUTHORIZING REDEMPTION PRIOR TO MATURITY AND THE SEEDS OF A CERTAIN OUTSTANDING OBLIGATION AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A SUPPLEMENTAL TRUST INDENTURE.
AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A PERFECT AGREEMENTS WRITING TO THE BARN, THANKING VARIOUS FINDINGS AND PROVISIONS RELATED.
THEY'RE FEW, AND PROVIDING THE EFFECTIVE DATE THEREOF.
>> THANK YOU JANELLE. COUNCIL THIS IS ITEM 9A ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA FOR THIS AFTERNOON.
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MIKE, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU, SIR.>> OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. WE DO HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR IN ATTENDANCE, AS YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE STRATEGY FOR STAFF DOES NOT TAKE A POSITION ON THE REFUNDING ITSELF THAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU WHERE THERE ARE ETHICS CONCERNS WHERE WE TRIED AS WELL.
THOSE CONCERNS HAVE ALL BEEN [INAUDIBLE] AND HE IS SUPPORTING THE REFUNDING AT THIS POINT.
>> THANK YOU, MIKE. I APPRECIATE THAT.
JIM, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?
>> JIM LITERALLY [NOISE] IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR THE CITY.
>>> YEAH. AFTER WE RECEIVED, THE NUMBERS LATE LAST WEEK FROM THE PORT'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR.
>> COULD YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE.
>> SURE, YEAH. I'M SORRY. AFTER WE RECEIVED THE NUMBERS LAST WEEK FROM THE PORT'S FINANCIAL ENVIRONMENT, WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS.
WE REALIZED THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN REPRESENTATIONS MADE IN THE CASH FLOWS THAT REQUIRE SOME TWEAKING.
YESTERDAY, THE PORT BOARD TRUSTEES [NOISE] TOOK OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COVENANT THAT THERE WOULD BE A POSITIVE [NOISE] NEXT YEAR IN THE DEBT SERVICE GROUND THAT WOULD GUARANTEE SAVINGS.
AT THIS POINT, PORT BY REFINANCING THEIR DEBT FROM 1.66 AVERAGE INTEREST RATE TO A 1.5 OR SO INTEREST RATE WILL BE SAVING MONEY AND RESERVE FUND WOULD BE RELEASED.
NEXT YEAR SOME LIKE AMOUNT TO BE DEPOSITED AND THAT'S A RESPONSE OF HOW AS SOON WE WILL BE CALLING PORTS WITH THAT MONEY.
I KNOW IN THE STAFF REPORT IT HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT AROSE PRIOR TO LAST WEEK.
FORCES DEFINITELY WAS WRITTEN LAST WEEK BEFORE WE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE NUMBERS.
I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THE TRANSACTION IMPORTANT FOR REFINANCING INSTEAD, SAVINGS WERE QUITE HAPPY WITH IT THIS MORNING.
>> THANK YOU, JIM. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE REVISING YOUR COMMENTS AS THEY ARE QUOTED IN THE REPORT.
>> YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE COMMENTS, WAS CRITICAL COMMENTS ARE NO LONGER VALID BECAUSE WITH THE ACTION FOR TODAY.
I APPRECIATED IT. THIS ITEM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
I WANT TO THANK THIS ITEM IS SOMETIMES THESE ITEM POP ON OUR AGENDA AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT JUST OCCURS AND NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT.
THIS PARTICULAR ITEM STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PORT.
I WANT TO CALL MIKE CLOTH DAN, DAN BUCKLING.
BRIAN HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS REPORT AND AT THE PORCH LEVEL, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR ROGER RACE HAS PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS.
MARTIN MARCHES SAID, HEY MAXWELL'S THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
HE HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE EVERYBODY COME TOGETHER ON THAT.
BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, ROGER, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL?
>> NO, NOT REALLY. I MEAN, I THINK [OVERLAPPING].
>> COULD YOU COME UP HERE, ROGER?
>> AS YOU'VE SAID, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS.
WE RECEIVED THE PROPOSAL PROBABLY TWO MONTHS AGO IN OUR STAFF.
YOUR STAFF ALL COME TOGETHER AND MADE THIS THING HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR THE POOR MAINLY BECAUSE OF IT SAVES US ABOUT ALMOST TWO MILLION DOLLARS, $1.8 MILLION IN INTEREST.
SAVINGS OVER THE NEXT FIVE-YEAR DOES NOT EXTEND THE DEBT WHATSOEVER.
I MEAN, THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME WE WOULD HAVE PAID FOR IT? WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO PAY FOR IT.
THEN SECONDLY, I THINK AS JIM BROUGHT UP, ONE OF THE THINGS IT HELPS SUPPORT ALSO IS WE'VE HAD ABOUT $2.5 MILLION THAT HAVE BEEN IN RESERVES FOR THIS HENCE THEY'VE BEEN RESTRICTED.
SO AS WE RELEASE THOSE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE COMING AT A GOOD TIME BECAUSE STUFF WOULDN'T BE HAVING ON THE EAST END FOR THE NEW CRUISE TERMINAL, BARKING LAWSON.
ACTUALLY, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE WATERFRONT IS WHERE MOST OF THIS ONE'S GOOD TO GO, SO.
>> THANK YOU, ROGER ON THE UPDATE.
I APPRECIATE IT. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL?
>> ON THE RESERVE FUNDS, IS IT GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO CAPITAL EXPENDITURES?
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>> DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH NOW OR YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HOPEFULLY DO.
>> WE DO RIGHT NOW FINALIZING BECAUSE WE'VE GONE A LOT OF PROPOSALS OUT THERE, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE EAST END THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
PART OF IT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH ROYAL CARIBBEAN.
HERE WE HAVE A 50/50 SPLIT ON THE PEER WORK UP TO 16 MILLION.
THAT'S EIGHT MILLION WILL COME OUT OF OUR POCKET.
WE HAVE ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.
I THINK THE CONTRAST YOU MAY BE LEFT FOR THE WEST END OF PEER TAN, WHICH IS REALLY IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
I MEAN ITS FALLING IN WATER JUST LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PLACES ON THE PORT, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE STABILIZED FOR THE CRUISE TERMINALS.
THEN THE OTHER PIECES WILL BE THE PARKING LOTS, INGRESS, AND EGRESS TO [INAUDIBLE].
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? VERY GOOD.
THAT IS ITEM 9A ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS AFTERNOON.
GENTLEMEN, LADIES, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MOVING TO ITEM 3A, PAGE [INAUDIBLE].
[3A. Clarification Of Consent And Regular City Council Agenda Items - This Is An Opportunity For City Council To Ask Questions Of Staff On Consent And Regular Agenda Items (20 Minutes)]
>> ITEM 3A; CLARIFICATION OF CONTENT DIRECTOR, AND HE FELT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT AUTHENTICATING FOR CITY COUNCIL.
THE FBI SAID THE PATH I'M CONCERNED AND REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.
>> ALL RIGHT, JANELLE. I'LL START ON MY RIGHT. ANY QUESTION NOW?
>> WHEN FIRST, LAST AND PUT A LOT OF DEEP CHANGE AND YET BECAUSE I'M SURE IT'S RIGHT HERE AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM.
I RECEIVED THIS ORDINANCE HERE AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ON THE INFAMOUS GOLF [INAUDIBLE] THE ORDINANCE.
IT HAS HERE ON THE DEFINITION WE GO DOWN AND WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS TWO MILES.
>> WELL, WE HAVE AN ITEM COMING UP ON THAT BILL.
>> WE HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE GOLF [INAUDIBLE] AND ALL OF THAT.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
MR. COOK YOU CAN ANSWER FOR THAT.
>> YES, SIR. HE'S OUT SICK, BUT I THINK HE'S ON THE ZOOM CALL, BUT I CAN TRY TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROJECT HAD [INAUDIBLE] PROFESSIONAL SERVICES?
>> YES, SIR. GRT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ACTING IN THE CAPACITY OF THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE ON THE PROJECT WHEREIN THEY'RE DOING CONTRACT MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR THE CONTRACT WHO THEY'RE MANAGING.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY OF STAFF IN HOUSE.
WE HAVE INSPECTORS FOR OUR PROJECT THAT MEASURE HOW MUCH CONCRETE THAT THE CITY RECEIVES, HOW MUCH ASPHALT THE CITY RECEIVES.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S MANAGING THE ENGINEER, THE CONTRACTOR, CITY STAFF, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY MEETS APPROPRIATE DEADLINES.
WE OUTSOURCE, WE'VE DECIDED TO START OUTSOURCING THAT SERVICE SINCE USUALLY THESE GUYS TYPICALLY COMMAND THE REALLY HIGH SALARY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO RECRUIT EMPLOYEES JUST GIVEN OUR PAY STRUCTURE HERE.
THEY'RE USUALLY SIX FIGURE EMPLOYEES THAT THEY COMMAND A HEFTY SUM AND SO THAT'S THE SERVICES THAT PERSON PROVIDING.
>> BECAUSE, MY OTHER QUESTION IS 64,000 BUT [NOISE] WHY DIDN'T WE PUT THIS IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT TO INCORPORATE IT INTO IT.
>> WELL, WE WERE JUST NOW STARTING TO UTILIZE THIS TYPE OF SERVICE.
WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH HOURS THAT THIS PERSON WAS GOING TO NEED TO PUT IN ONTO THIS PROJECT.
WE JUST AUTHORIZED AN INITIAL FEE TO GET IT STARTED, HOPING TO GET US THROUGH THE INITIAL LUMPS IN THE ROAD AND THEY'VE BEEN SATISFIED WITH HIS SERVICES THUS FAR AND WANT TO CONTINUE THE ENGAGEMENT.
>> BECAUSE I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS, WE'RE DOING THIS BUT OTHER PROJECTS, I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TYPE OF A THIRD PARTY SERVICES.
>> CORRECT AND THAT'S A CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE IN HOUSE TO DO THIS?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT SKILL SET.
>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FROM THAT BRANDY.
>> WE'RE USING AN OUTSIDE SERVICE TO MONITOR AN OUTSIDE COMPANY?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. TWO OUTSIDE COMPANIES, THE CONTRACTOR AND THE ENGINEER AS WELL.
[INAUDIBLE] MAKE SURE THAT ANY DISPUTES AND DECISIONS ARE EFFECTIVELY RESOLVED IN DECIDING.
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>> HOW DO WE GO ABOUT CHOOSING THIS COMPANY?
I THINK [INAUDIBLE] CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT.
>> OKAY. OUR FIRST EXPOSURE TO THIS EFFORT IN THIS COMPANY WAS WITH THE 59 STREET PUMP STATION AND THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH THAT.
WE BROUGHT IN AFTER THE FACT, WHAT WE CALL THE FORENSIC PROJECT MANAGEMENT TO HELP US FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT PROJECTS GOT OFF THE RAIL AND HOW TO GET IT BACK ON THE RAIL.
IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING US THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT WE BEGAN TO UTILIZE IT ON OTHER PROCESSES.
WE BROUGHT THEM IN ALREADY SOME TIME AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE JOB ON THE 14TH STREET DRAINAGE PROJECT.
WE ALSO BROUGHT THEM IN RIGHT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTED, FROM THE AIRPORT PUMP STATION.
AIRPORT PUMP STATION WAS DONE BY THE FRAME ENGINEERING [INAUDIBLE] WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE ISSUES THAT MIGHT ARISE AT 59 THAT HAS PROVEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.
HE HELPED US MANAGE THAT GROUP TO GET PROBLEMS RESOLVED, IF NOT AHEAD OF TIME IN A TIMELY FASHION.
SAVED US A LOT OF TIME AGGRAVATION AND I CAN'T PROVE IT BUT A LOT OF MONEY.
EIGHTEEN STREET ACTUALLY STARTED BEFORE WE WERE GETTING THIS PROCESS DONE AND WE BROUGHT HIM IN AT THE VERY START OF CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT KNOWING HOW MUCH EFFORT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED SO ONCE WE GOT THE INITIAL EXPOSURE WE NOW UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH TIME IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THAT OR CHANGING THE CONTRACT ACCORDINGLY.
[MUSIC] DOES THAT ANSWER THAT QUESTION?
>> YEAH. I GUESS WHICH IT, I DON'T KNOW IT JUST PROMPTS QUESTIONS IN MY MIND THAT WE'RE USING AN OUTSIDE COMPANY TO OVERSEE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY AND THEN THEY REPORT TO WHO?
>> THEY ACTUALLY NOW REPORT TO CONSTRUCTION.
WE MANAGE OUR DESIGN CONTRACT AND WE MANAGE IN A FASHION OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.
OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ALSO MANAGED BY OUR DESIGN FIRM.
DEPENDING ON HOW OUR CONTRACTS WERE WRITTEN, IS THAT SOMETIMES IT'S MORE OR LESS EFFECTIVE.
THIS IS A WAY TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD AND MAKE OUR PROJECTS RUN MORE SMOOTHLY.
AS BRANDON SAID WE'RE LOOKING AT GUYS WHO ARE MAKING 150-200,000 A YEAR.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A VERY EFFECTIVE WAY OF GETTING THIS SERVICE WITHOUT ADDING STAFF THAT GOES ON FOREVER.
OUR INSPECTORS ARE GREAT GUYS, WONDERFUL PEOPLE, GOOD EMPLOYEES, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.
THIS GUY DOES IS VERY GOOD AT UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE PROFIT GOES AWRY AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING IT BACK IN SHAPE.
DID THAT HELP WITH ANY EXPLANATION?
>> YEAH. I MEAN, I'M COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT.
BUT WOULDN'T THE CMS SYSTEM UNDER AUDIT DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T PART OF THAT BE COVERED BY THAT?
>> WELL, AFTER THE FACT AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THE RESULT BEFORE THEY BACK.
BEFORE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE OR VERY EXPENSIVE.
WE WANT TO GIVE PROBLEMS TAKEN CARE OF AUDITORY TUBES TO COME IN AFTER THE RUNOFF.
>> THEN MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE'RE HAVING SO MANY CONTRACTS GO OUT OF WORK THAT WE HAVE TO BRING OUT IN AN OUTSIDE FROM THAT'S EXTRA COST.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING ANY RESPONSIBILITY, ON THE ENGINEERING GROUP THAT'S DOING IT.
>> WE'RE WRITING OUR CONTRACT NOW, WHERE THEY HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY WRITTEN DOWN IN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MANAGE.
THE CONTRACTION ARE MORE ELABORATE.
THEIR INDUSTRY STANDARD CONTRACT, AND THEY'RE EASIER OF COURSE TO MANAGE.
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THE CONTRACT DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT WE REALLY DO NEED, THE BIG PROJECT MANAGEMENT SERVICES.>> I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
BUT BECAUSE IF WE'RE HAVING TO HIRE WATCHDOG, THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR ADD UP OUR BUDGET, BECAUSE CONTRACTORS ARE GOING, HAVING ISSUES AND NOT COMPLETING PROJECTS, SHOULD WE BE LIKE PUTTING SOME KIND OF FINE ON THE CONTRACTORS, INSTEAD OF TAKING THIS BUDGET MONEY THAT COULD BE PAYING FOR A RESURFACING OF THE STREET AND PUTTING THE OWNERS ON THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S NOT PERFORMING WELL?
>> WE DO PUT THE OWNERS ON THE CONTRACTORS AND WE'RE DOING MORE OF THEIR TIME.
WE'VE ALSO BEEN PUTTING THE OWNER ON THE LEARNING GROUPS, THAT WE'VE HEARD MAKE THESE THINGS RUN EFFICIENTLY.
WE CAN HAVE THEM PLANNED OUT BETTER, MANAGED BETTER, AND BE MORE EFFECTIVE.
THAT REDUCES THE DARK COLOR AND ALLOWS US TO DO MORE PAVING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BEND THE THUMB WHERE OR RATHER SPEND IT ON FRAUD.
THEN WHERE IF WE HAVE PROBLEMS WHO ARE SUSPENDED IN THE AIR.
>> QUESTION, COUNSELING COLUMNS.
>> MORE COMMENT THIS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION APPROACH THAN IF WE BEEN WATCHING THESE THINGS UP FRONT BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE 59 STREET PUMP STATION, WERE NOT SIMPLE TO SOLVE AND THEY WERE INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE ONCE THAT HAD HAPPENED.
GOTTEN OUT OF HAND HAVING SOMEBODY HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ON THE STREET WATCHING THIS PROCESS UP FRONT, I THINK PROBABLY WILL SAY IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY.
I JUST THINK THAT CONTRACT OR SHOULD BE PICKING OUT PART OF THE COST.
>> THAT'S A COST THAT'S GOING TO GET BAKED IN SOME AND I [OVERLAPPING] CAN MAKE TWO COSTS COVERED, THAN IT MAKES SENSE TO 400.
>> WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT ONE WAY.
YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO GET BAKED INTO ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS, ENGINEERING, CONSTRUCTION, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY INDEPENDENT REPORTING ON IT FOR US.
>> I HAVE QUESTION? IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
WHAT IS ROLE OF THE INSPECTOR? IS HE BEING TRAINED TO LOOK AT THESE ENGINEERING PROBLEMS, DOES HE HAVE AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND? WHAT KIND OF BACKGROUND DO YOU INSPECTORS HAVE?
>> I'M SORRY. THEY'RE USUALLY THEY COME FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHERE THEY'D BEEN SUPERVISORS OF A CONSTRUCTION FARM, WHERE THEIR BOOTS ON THE GROUND BUILDING THINGS.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE OR PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATION.
>>IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL DEGREE, TO DO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
>> MOST OF THEM DO NOT EVEN HAVE ANY DEGREE.
>> WELL, I GUESS ONE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE WHY WE HIRE AND THEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO GO OUT THERE AND WATCH THESE BE LOW BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] THEY'RE LIKE YOU.
>> I CAN RESPOND TO OBAMA'S FEDERAL.
IF THAT BACK ALMOST AS A PART OF THE WORK BOOK, WHAT WAS CALLED THE TORQUE OF WORK IN THE OLD DAY.
ON LARGE PROJECTS, THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY THERE.
ALL I DID WAS COUNTED QUANTITY, CAN KEEP TRACK OF THINGS.
WE DON'T PAY FOR THAT SERVICE FROM OUR ENGINEERS.
WE TAKE PEOPLE FROM WITHIN THE CITY, WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION ARE METHODS OF DOING THINGS.
I ASK THEM TO WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO COUNT HOW MUCH WAS DONE.
DESK LAMP EXPENSIVE FOR US TO DO IN-HOUSE.
HIERARCHY ENGINEERING FIRM TO DO THAT WITHIN.
THE ENGINEERING FIRM IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ITS QUANTITY.
THEY VERY OFTEN USED, ARE PEOPLE QUANTITATIVE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PAYING QUANTITIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY BUILT.
THAT THE MAIN PURPOSE OF OUR INSPECTOR SIR.
THE ROSENBERG CONSTRUCTION DIVISION KEEPS UP WITH ALL THE PAPERWORK, ALL OF THE PAYMENT RECORD, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD HAVE THE BULK OF THEM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WHERE DOES THAT RESPONSIBILITY FALL UNDER? WHICH RESPONSIBILITY?
>> THEY FORCELY THE CONTRACTORS, THE EXPENDITURE, SO ON SO FORTH.
>> LET ME INTERJECT HERE, BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON COUNCIL, WE'RE TALKING OF THIS IS FOR CLARIFICATION OF AGENDA ITEMS 10D.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STARTING TO HEAD OUT INTO THE PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION OF HOW WE SHOULD STRUCTURE THE ISS INSPECTIONS AND DO THAT AND ALL THAT.
[INAUDIBLE] IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
>> THAT'S FINE. WHAT WAS GOING TO MOVE ON? WE'LL GET I'LL GET THE ANSWERS.
>> WELL, IF YOU LIKE BILL TO PUT IT ON,
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IT IS A AGENDA WE SURELY CAN.>> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT FOR COMING UP HERE.
>> NOT THIS ONE. WE'LL DO THE NEXT ONE. THAT SOUNDS GREAT
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THINGS YOU RELIED ON ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JOHN? AS I'M I THANK YOU. THAT WE HAVE ON THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ARE ALREADY ON THE SECOND BET.
>> [NOISE] I'M STILL GOING ON. I'M FINISHED.
>> BUT YOU ONLY GET ONE SHOT BECAUSE I'M SORRY.
>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WOULD THROW THEM OUT, AND I WAS [OVERLAPPING] STILL ON DOING WRONG.
THE NEXT ONE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS 10K.
>> YOU'VE PROBABLY KNOWN FOR ONLINE.
>> I THINK I HEAR [OVERLAPPING] THAT.
>> MORNING. I SAID WE'RE TRYING TO DEDICATE 10,792.
>> THOSE ARE FROM THE 2019 WATER AND SEWER DISTRICT BECAUSE OF OBLIGATION AS THE 2019,SO CORRECT.
>> BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED TO SEE WHAT BONDS HAVE THAT CLARIFICATION IN THERE.
IN THE FUTURE, IF WE CAN HAVE THEM PUT IN, WHAT ACCOUNTANTS CHARGE OF TWO, BECAUSE IF YOU PUT THIS I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IS 1920, WHATEVER.
>> JUST MY COMMENT. [NOISE] MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. [NOISE]
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, BILL.
IF YOU'RE ON THIS ITEM COMING BACK IN 10 DAYS.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE, FEEL FREE TO SEND ME AN EMAIL AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THE [NOISE] SUBJECT YOU WANT ON THE AGENDA, WE'LL GET IT OFF THERE.
>> SURE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> 10 I. HAVING TO DO WITH THE CULTURAL MASTER PLAN.
[NOISE] THEN I READ FURTHER AND I WAS JUST INTERESTED IN GETTING MORE INFORMATION.
>> I'M ONLINE. [OVERLAPPING] HOW CAN I HELP YOU?
>> WELL, I JUST WANTED TO GET SOME MORE DETAIL ON.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PARK FOR THE GALVESTON ARTS CENTER IN THE CITY, IN HISTORICAL DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP COLLABORATED ON TO RECEIVE THIS GRANT FROM THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT OF ART, TO HELP DO OUR MASTER PLAN FOR OUR CULTURE ART DISTRICT DOWNTOWN.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER APPROACH ON HOW TO HANDLE OUR PROJECTS AND HOW TO MAKE OUR HISTORICAL AREA MORE SIGNIFICANT.
THERE IS NO FUNDING COMING FROM THE CITY, IT'S BASICALLY FROM THE PARK BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND FROM THE GRANT.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THINGS LIKE THE ART AND DIFFERENT [OVERLAPPING].
>> IF I MAY, WE DECIDED AT THE PARK WHEN CONFRONTATION WITH THE CITY THAT WE NEEDED A CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OVERALL PLAN.
THE PARK BOARD WENT OUT AND ACQUIRED OF $50 THOUSAND EDA GRANT.
IT'S ACTUALLY A GRANT FROM THE CITY, WHICH IS WHY THE CITY IS ON THE AGENDA HERE, THE PART WHERE IT DEDICATED AN ADDITIONAL $50 THOUSAND TO FUND THAT, AND AS RECODE GROUP IS THE ONE THAT'S DEVELOPING THE PLAN FOR US.
IT'S FUNDED HALF WITH CVP FUNDS AND HALF WITH THIS EDA GRANT.
THE SENSE OF GRANTS COMES THROUGH THE CITY.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? [BACKGROUND] [NOISE]
I KNOW WE HAVE PUT THIS ON THE IDC, BUT AS I LOOKED INTO IT, MORE, THIS $3 MILLION THAT WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT DEDICATED TO DOWNTOWN ON 23RD STREET.
YET WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY EXACT PLAN OR WHAT NOT.
WE TALK ABOUT SHADE STRUCTURES, BUT THERE'S ALREADY SHADES.
>> WE HAD QUITE A LENGTHY PRESENTATION ON THIS WITH DUDLEY SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AT IDC.
>> RIGHT, BUT IT WAS ALL. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST
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AND THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING IT AS WE GO ALONG.THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE CIP, THERE'S ANOTHER GOD, 10 TO 50 BILLION, THAT'S THE 23RD STREETS AND WE'RE TYING UP MOST OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY FROM THE SILOS ON 23RD STREET.
THEN WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CIP PROJECTS THAT ARE ON 23RD STREET.
[NOISE] 23RD STREET BEING DOWNTOWN, IS ACTUALLY AN AREA THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR OTHER TYPES OF GRANTS BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED LOW TO MIDDLE INCOME.
>> I'M NOT SURE DOWNTOWN FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY.
BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AROUND THE PUMP STATIONS THAT WE'RE CERTAIN FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE USED [OVERLAPPING]
>> EXCUSE ME IF I CAN INTERJECT HERE.
A WHILE BACK, WE HAD A MAP SHOWING WHAT WAS LOW-TO-MIDDLE INCOME AND IT IS INCORPORATED IN THERE, NOW I DON'T [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE I MADE THE COMMENT, I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE ENTIRE [LAUGHTER] CALLED INNER STRUCTURE IS LOW THE MIDDLE INCOME.
I DO KNOW WE HAVE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE LOW AMOUNT, BUT OTHERS ARE, LIKE YOUR SILK STOCKING DISTRICT.
THERE ARE THOSE PLACES. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S AN ODD MIX, I GIVE YOU THAT.
>> I AGREE WITH MARIE, SAYING THAT WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] MONEY THAT WE CAN USE AS [INAUDIBLE] FOR GRANTS [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S THE ONLY ENCUMBERED MONEY THAT COULD BE USED IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWNS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT ARE GOING TO 23RD.
WHEN YOU GET TO SECTIONS OF JOHN'S DISTRICTS, OR SECTIONS MOST MY DISTRICT.
>> I'LL TAKE THE THREE MILLION?
>> I'LL PUT IT IN MY DISTRICT [LAUGHTER]
>> SERIOUSLY THOUGH, WE CANT GET THAT LOW TO [OVERLAPPING]
WE DON'T QUALIFY FOR THAT LOW TO MIDDLE INCOME AND WE MIGHT HAVE ONE SMALL SECTION IN BOTH OF OUR DISTRICTS THAT QUALIFIES.
THIS IS THE ONLY UNENCUMBERED MONEY AND WE'RE PUTTING IT ALL INTO AN AREA THAT COULD QUALIFY FOR ALL OTHER KINDS OF GRANTS.
I KNOW I VOTED FOR THIS. I CAME IN LATE.
IT WAS BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD THIS LEDGER DISCUSSION FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN IDC.
BUT WHEN I READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, SAW HOW MUCH OTHER MONEY IS BEING DEDICATED TO 23RD STREET AND WE'RE TAKING THE ONLY MONEY THAT COULD BE USED ELSEWHERE WITHOUT A DEFINED BUDGET ON WHAT A PROJECT'S GOING TO BE AND WE'RE DEDICATING THAT WHOLE 3 MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHEN I KNOW HIS DISTRICT AND MY DISTRICT HAVE SOME ROADS THAT LOOK LIKE THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND WE CAN'T QUALIFY FOR ANY OTHER GRANT.
WE'RE ALSO NOT IN THE CIP BECAUSE BOTH OF OUR DISTRICTS HAVE MINIMAL PROJECTS IN THE CIP, WHEN IT COMES TO THE STREETS.
I JUST QUESTION EARMARKING THIS MUCH FUNDS TO AN AREA THAT'S ELIGIBLE FOR OTHER GRANTS.
I GUESS THAT'S WHY IT'S ON OUR AGENDA TO VOTE ON.
SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE MARIE [INAUDIBLE] , WE CAN PULL THAT OUT AS A SEPARATE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSENT. ALL RIGHT.
ALSO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THAT OTHER MONEY FOR 23RD, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG STANN, THAT'S FOR WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT'S SOUTH OF BROADWAY.
>> THAT'S A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF 23RD STREET?
>> YEAH, IT'S NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS [INAUDIBLE] TAIL.
>> OH, I'VE REALIZED THAT BUT IT IS COUNTY FUNDS FROM THE COUNTY BOND THAT'S BEING USED ON 23RD STREET AND WE'RE EARMARKING ANOTHER 3 MILLION UNENCUMBERED FUNDS FOR 23RD STREET.
TO ME, IT'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT STREETS THAT BOTH JOHN AND I HAVE IN OUR DISTRICT AND WE CAN'T QUALIFY FOR ANY OTHER FUNDS AND YET OUR DISTRICTS PERHAPS HAVE THE MOST POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL BE THE ONLY THING THAT WILL ALLOW US TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT.
BECAUSE PUTTING IN ANOTHER 3 MILLION INTO 23RD THAT'S ALREADY DEVELOPED IS NOT GOING TO BRING ADDITIONAL TAX DOLLARS TO OUR, I'M NOT TALKING SALES TAX.
I'M NOT TALKING THAT TYPE OF TAX.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX, [BACKGROUND] WHERE MY DISTRICT IS GOING TO BRING PROPERTY TAX ARE, BUT NOT UNLESS YOU KEEP LETTING MY ROADS, ERODE AWAY, OR EVEN DRAINAGE PROJECTS.
I MEAN I WAS STUNNED WHEN I READ THROUGH EVERY PAGE OF
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THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN [NOISE] WHICH ISN'T REALLY THE TRUE AS FUN READING.BUT HELP FEW PROJECTS BOTH OF OUR DISTRICTS HAVE.
YET WHEN IT COMES TO WASTEWATER PLANTS, WE HAVE IT AND EVERYBODY IS LIKE OH, BUT YOU KNOW, DISTRICT 5 AND 6 IS GETTING THAT AND THAT, IT'S GOING TO HELP YOU.
BUT WE HAVE THE AREAS THAT CAN BRING FUTURE PROPERTY TAX.
WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THOSE STREETS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE FUNDS THAT ARE UNENCUMBERED.
>> WE'LL I THINK THAT'S DULY NOTED, WITH COUNCIL HERE.
>> IF I WOULD MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE.
>> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE WITH MARIE.
FOR SO MANY YEARS AND I'VE LIVED ON THIS ISLAND FOR ALL MY LIFE.
I SEE MORE AND MORE MONIES DEDICATED, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT MIDTOWN, MIDTOWN.
OUR WEST HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR YEARS AND I AGREE WITH HER WE NEED TO STOP OUT WEST AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP THE PEOPLE OUT THERE.
THEY DO PAY A LARGE AMOUNT OF TAXES AND I THINK THEY DESERVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN WHAT THEY'RE GETTING.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE WEST END IS RECENTLY STARTING TO GET EVEN MORE AND MORE CONCENTRATION AND FOCUS ON THAT, IN FUNDING OUT THERE.
WE'LL GET INTO THAT MORE WHEN WE GET INTO THE BUDGET HERE AND TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'VE ALLOCATED 500,000 A YEAR FROM IDC FOR REMEDIATION EFFORTS IN THE WEST END.
IF WE NEED TO DO MORE OUT THERE, WE HAVE A WONDERFUL REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 6, THEY CAN BRING THAT FORWARD TO US.
>> BECAUSE I WANT TO NOTE A POINT HERE.
SO MANY THINGS THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING WITH OUR ROADS CAME FROM THE 2019 ROADS STUDY.
THAT'S ALWAYS THE ANSWER I GET FROM STAFF.
THIS WAS FROM THE 2019 ROAD PROJECT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 2019 AND TODAY, THERE WERE LITTLE THINGS CALLED LAURA, BETA, AND DELTA AND IT DID EXTREME DAMAGE TO OUR ROADS.
WE HAVEN'T UPDATED THE ROAD STUDY.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE WESTERN SIDE OF DISTRICT 5. [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET'S STAY ON THIS IS AGENDA ITEM.
>> THE AGENDA ITEM HAS TO DO WITH ROADS.
>> WE ARE GETTING OFF TOPIC ON THAT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL THAT OUT.
>> WE'RE SURE YOU WILL. WE'LL PULL 10.0 OUT.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ON THE AGENDA SO LET'S MOVE TO ITEM 3B AS IN [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE.
[3B. Discussion Of The FY2022 Budget And Capital Improvement Plan (M. Loftin - 45 Min) 1. Sanitation Fees 2. Tap Fees]
[BACKGROUND] [NOISE]>> COUNSEL ON OUR AGENDA THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE ON THE SANITATION PHASE, WILL BE ITEM 9F AND ON THE TAB FEEDS WILL BE ITEM 9G THIS AFTERNOON.
>> THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL I DID WANT TO SAY THAT CHERYL JOHNSON WAS IN ATTENDANCE IN CASE YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S RIGHT.
>> SHE GOT TIRED OF THIS. [LAUGHTER]
>> SHE IS, SHE WAS IN THE VIEW. SHE'S ON MUTE.
>> I DIDN'T HAND OUT SOMETHING SHE SENT ME THIS MORNING.
WE'VE TESTED ON THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TAX RATE REAL QUICK.
THE ACTION THAT'S ON THE AGENDA IS TO PROPOSE A TAX RATE, AND SET THE TIME AND WHAT HAVE YOU FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TIME, DATE, PLACE.
IT'LL BE HERE BUT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IT TO BE ON SEPTEMBER 9TH.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING OR THE AFTERNOON MEETING, THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION WHEN THAT MOTION IS MADE.
THE OTHER THING IS BECAUSE OF THE PECULIARITIES OF THE TAX RATE CALCULATION PROCESS WHICH YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SHOWING IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING THAT SHE'S REQUIRED TO PUBLISH FOR A TOTAL TAX LEVY, IS PART OF THE ROLE AND I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO ASK HER THIS MORNING, I BELIEVE IT BECAUSE IT EXCLUDES ALL OF THE VALUE INVOLVED IN THE FREEZE ACCOUNTS.
THERE WERE 65 HOME STATE FREEZE AND DISABLED HOMEOWNER TAX RATES.
THE PERCENT CHANGES ABOUT IT'S IN RANGE, BUT IT'S VERY MISLEADING IF WE DID NOT GIVE YOU A BUDGET THAT ANTICIPATED THE ENTIRE LEVY. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
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>> WAS THAT PASSED OUT THIS MORNING?
>> MIKE DID THE COUNTY SET THEIR TAX RATE?
>> HAS THE COUNTY SET THEIR TAX RATE?
>> I'M NOT SURE [OVERLAPPING] SURE THERE SHE IS.
>> HAS THE COUNTY SET THEIR TAX RATE YET DEAR CHERYL?
>> NO, THEY SET THEIR TAX RATE RIGHT AFTER LABOR DAY.
>> OKAY. WHAT'S THEIR PROPOSED RATE.
I DON'T REMEMBER, I JUST PUBLISHED THAT, WAIT A MINUTE I CHANGED THE FOLDER.
THEY THOUGHT THEY PROPOSED THE MAIN REVENUE, RIGHT?
>> THEY PROPOSED THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THAT IS 2454.
WHAT THEY'RE EXPECTING IS TO ADOPT THE RIGHT FOR [INAUDIBLE].
>> CHERYL, WE HANDED OUT COPIES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE THAT YOU SENT ME THIS MORNING AND I WAS.
>> I WAS EXPLAINING THAT THE TAX LEVY AMOUNT SHOWN IN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT BASED ON THE ENTIRE ANTICIPATED ROLE WHICH THE BUDGET IS AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE I THINK IS EITHER THE UNCERTIFIED PART OR THE FREEZE ACCOUNTS OR POSSIBLY BOTH.
BECAUSE YOU'RE PULLING THESE NUMBERS STRAIGHT FROM THE TAX RATE CALCULATION, AREN'T YOU?
>> RIGHT. WHAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THESE NUMBERS IS IN YOUR CORRECT DAYS THE TAX STEALING REVENUE AS WELL AS THE NEW IMPROVEMENT REVENUE.
ANYBODY HERE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR?
>> CHERYL I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WE'RE GOING TO A SECOND, THE SPECIAL SESSION IN AUSTIN.
THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A TRY TO GIVE TAX RELIEF AT THAT POINT.
>> THE ONLY THAT THERE'S REALLY TOO LATE FOR THEM TO DO ANYTHING FOR THIS YEAR.
WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO IS PREDOMINANTLY IS FUND THE REDUCTION OF THE TAX DEALINGS.
TYPICALLY WHENEVER THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TAX RATE AND SUCH IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL NORMAL AND A FEW YEARS AGO [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE RATE COMPRESSION.
THEY TYPICALLY AUTHORIZED THAT TO RECALCULATE TAX STEALING AND THAT HAD NOT YET BEEN AUTHORIZED.
THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY THE ONLY TAX LEVY.
I SEE OTHER THAN THE PROLIFERATION OF UNFETTERED FASHION AND THAT WOULD THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BEGIN MID-JANUARY 1ST, 2022.
>> IT WON'T AFFECT YOU THIS YEAR WILL AFFECT YOU NEXT YEAR IF THAT HAPPENS.
>> WELL, CHERYL JOHNSON. THANK YOU.
>> WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH OUR, WITH OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION NOW.
>> CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ON CHERYL JOHNSON? ONE THAT NO NEW REVENUE BREAK YOU'RE SAYING THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE NEW BILL, NEW. WHAT YOU SAID.
>> NO NEW REVENUE WAY ONLY COMPARE THE TOTAL RATE WITH LAST YEAR'S VALUE AND THIS YEAR'S VALUE BUT LESS THE TAX DEALING.
THEN, OF COURSE, THE NEW IMPROVEMENT VALUE IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT AT ALL.
>> THE NEW IMPROVEMENT MEANING NEW CONSTRUCTION SO FORTH AND WHAT NOT IT'S NOT ENCODED IN THAT?
>> I THINK WITHDRAWAL OFTEN HAD AN ESTIMATED THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE ON YOUR NEW PROPERTY VALUE YOUR THE TAX GO BUY NEW PROPERTY TO A $121.9 MILLION.
>> OKAY. WE COULD DO A NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND STILL HAVE MORE MONEY.
>> I WILL CHECK WITH MR. AUSTIN TO SEE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> YEAH, WE NEED TO TALK THIS ONE.
>> WE JUST WANTED TO PEAK GETTING THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDE THOSE REVENUE AT IT THOUGHT THAT.
I WOULD DEFER THAT ARE OFTEN DOES HE KEEP ALREADY INCLUDE THOSE ESTIMATES IN
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HIS REVENUE QUARTERLY BUDGET WHICH REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT I WOULD NOT KNOW THAT.WE'VE [INAUDIBLE] SPEAK TO THAT.
>> THANK YOU CHERYL FOR BEING HERE I APPRECIATE IT.
>> OKAY. PAGE 1 OF THIS PRESENTATION ON PALMER, RUN THROUGH THIS.
I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE IT SHORT SHRIFT.
IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO SIT HERE AND PRESENT TO YOU THIS WE'RE TRYING TO PROPOSE BUDGET ZIP.
I HAVE DESIGNED THIS DOCUMENT SO THAT IF YOU GO ONLINE IS VIA AN INDEX FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LOOK AT THE CITY BUDGET ONLINE.
YOU'LL SEE REFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE POWERPOINT TO PDF PAGE BUT HAS ACTUALLY CHAIR TO DEAL WITH WHEN YOU'VE GOT A PDF DOCUMENT.
NEXT SLIDE. THERE'S OUR SCHEDULE.
WE ARE ON SCHEDULE PRESENTING THE PROPERTY OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THE CIP REALLY WELL, TWO DAYS AGO, I SUSPECT MANY OF YOU HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THAT MUCH YET.
ANY QUESTION THAT COME YOUR MIND? I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ENSURE DISORDER WHILE WE'RE HERE.
ARE THEY GOING TO MORE OR LESS ASK FOR A CERTIFICATE OBLIGATION TO COVER SOME OF THEIR CAPITAL PROJECTS?
>> THE WATER AND SEWER PROGRAMS WILL NEED THAT EVENTUALLY.
WILL NEED ONE NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE BONDED IN.
CEO IN LESS EXPENSIVE THAN PURE REVENUE BONDS.
THAT WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED AT THAT TIME.
THE CEO, IT'S GOING TO GO OUT A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS.
>> WELL, LET ME MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY THIS.
IT HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNSEL THEM.
>> THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF IF THEY FEEL THIS NEEDS TO PROCEED.
THIS IS WHY WE'LL BRING THE COUNCIL AND PRESENTED AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S THE SOONEST WOULD BE FOR A FISCAL 23 TO [INAUDIBLE] .
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO MY DISCUSSION FROM BEFORE SINCE I DID READ THROUGH THE CIT, EVEN THOUGH WE JUST RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY.
THERE CERTAINLY IS A LACK UNTIL YOU GET TO MAYBE 2024 AND '25 PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY HAVING TO DO WITH STREET AND DISTRICT 5 AND DISTRICT 6 FOR THAT MATTER.
I ALWAYS HEAR FROM STAFF, I KNOW I HEAR IT FROM BRANDON.
"OH, NO, WE EQUALLY SPREAD IT." WELL, SURE DOES SOMEWHAT EQUALLY SPREADING, GRANTED I ONLY HAD ONE NIGHT TO READ THROUGH IT.
BUT AS I WENT THROUGH AND MARKED ALL THE VARIOUS PAGES THAT HAD TO DO WITH PROJECTS OR LACK THERE OF PROJECTS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SPENDING ALL OUR MONEY IN AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASING OR NEW DEVELOPMENT VERSUS IN THE AREAS THAT WE COULD GET NEW DEVELOPMENT AND ACTUALLY LOWER OUR TAX RATE OR GO WITH A NO NET REVENUE RATE.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN I REPRESENT A DISTRICT, EVEN IF YOU WANTED TO TALK AT MINIMUMS, THAT REPRESENTS 40 PERCENT IN THE TAX BASE AND YET WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY PROJECTS.
CAN YOU BRING TO THE CHAIR UP HERE TO THE TABLE?
>> YOU CAN SIT OUT AT THE FRONT. I GOT A CHAIR.
>> CONTRARY TO WHAT STUFF PEOPLE SAY, I DO NOT LIKE.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS IMPORTANT TIME ON THIS DISCUSSION THAT THESE STATEMENTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN ROBB IS MAKING, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET INPUT ON THOSE.
DAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON WHAT'S BEING SAID ABOUT IT?
>> I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT WE TRIED TO SPEND THE MONEY.
WE CAN'T SPEND IT EQUITABLY DIVIDED BETWEEN EVERY DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE WAS NEGLECTED FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, SO WE'RE STILL PLAYING CATCH UP.
WE'VE BEEN PLAYING CATCH UP SINCE I GOT HERE TO THE CITY AND TRYING TO IMPROVE THE OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY, WHICH IS FILL THE EAST END.
IT'S NOT OUT WEST. WEST HAS RELATIVELY NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.
STREETS ARE DAMAGED DURING TROPICAL STORMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FIX THOSE IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO FIX THEM,
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DEPENDING ON WHICH ONES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONES THAT ALIGN THE BEACHFRONT, WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIX THEM.
WE HOPE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND HARDENED OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SITS THERE IN THE WATER AND SEWER.
BUT [NOISE] THE FACT OF MATTER IS, WE DO USE THE STREETS STUDY BECAUSE WE HAD TO HAVE A BASIS FROM WHICH TO START AND YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL CONDITION ON THE STREETS.
YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT 23RD STREET.
23RD STREET IS A PROJECT THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING THE SURFACE OF THE ROAD.
WELL, IT'D BE AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF MONEY IF YOU DIDN'T DO WHAT'S UNDER THE ROAD, THE ACTUAL BASE OF THE ROAD, THE WATER, THE DRAINAGE, THE SEWAGE THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S MONEY ALLOCATED TO THAT, BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS NOT COVERING THAT COST.
THEY'RE DOING THE TOP, 23RD IS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE, AND IT HAS TO BE DONE, BUT IT'S THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S UNDER THE ROAD IS REALLY CAUSING THE DAMAGE TO THE ROADS GOING FORWARD, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP ON.
I DON'T THINK WHEN WE EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTE, WE LOOK AT HOW TO DO SOME PROJECTS IN EVERY DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN SHOW PROGRESS IN EVERY DISTRICT, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP NEGLECTING THE OLD INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE IT JUST CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE AND GET WORSE.
>> I KNOW, BUT THEN YOU QUESTION WHAT EXACTLY IS OLD.
LET'S TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE SEA ISLE OR EVEN IN NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE BAY HARBOR, WHICH BOTH STILL HAVE TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT.
YOU TALK ABOUT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
LOT OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE STARTED IN THE '60S AND YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE LESS PROBLEMS WITH THE UTILITIES LIKE SEWER.
WELL, SEA ISLE NOW HAS SEWER, BUT I [NOISE] STILL HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE SEWER.
WE DON'T STILL ADDRESS THAT ANYWHERE, WHICH I CAN'T BELIEVE ISN'T A PROBLEM WITH THE STATE BOARD SINCE EVERY TIME THE [INAUDIBLE] WASHES OVER, WE'RE PUTTING RAW SEWAGE INTO THE WATER.
STREETS ARE LITERALLY JUST BREAKING APART, DRAINAGE IS AN ISSUE.
I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT OLDER STREETS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, BUT WE ARE PUTTING SO MUCH MONEY INTO LIKE 25TH TO 37TH STREET.
I DRIVE DOWN THOSE ROADS AND I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE ROADS THAT ARE A LOT WORSE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DID THE ROAD STUDY IN 2019.
WE ARE DOING ONE AGAIN THIS YEAR IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
>> BUT YET WE'RE SETTING IN A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND I JUST TRULY THINK IF WE WANT, WE ARE UNDER A TAX CAP.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN HAVE MORE MONEY UNDER A TAX CAP IS WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU'RE NOT PUTTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NECESSARY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS THAT CAN BUILD IT, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO CHANGE IT.
WE CAN KEEP SPENDING MONEY BETWEEN 14TH STREET AND 25TH STREET AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL RAISE OUR TAXES SO HIGH.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING THESE TRUST RATES NOW.
OUR HOUSES ARE BEING BOUGHT UP BY SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
WE'RE GOING TO END UP PUSHING YOUR CITIZENS OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE SOLELY A SHORT-TERM RENTAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
IS THAT WHAT ANYBODY WANTS? NOT WHAT I WANT.
>> [INAUDIBLE], CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 19, FOR US PLEASE?
>> THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO COUNCIL IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
IF YOU COULD HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS.
MIKE HAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION HERE AND MIKE, COULD YOU GO THROUGH YOUR SLIDES?
>> ONE OTHER POINT THAT CAME UP AS RESPONSE TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ROBB TALKED ABOUT IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE THESE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, WE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS THE DESIRE FOR STAFF TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU ALL ASK WHERE WE WANT TO GROW, HOW WE WANT TO GROW IT.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNE TIME TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO INVEST THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO INVEST THOSE DOLLARS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE THEM? THERE'S M&O THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT A 1960 STREET IN GALVESTON, THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW STREET.
[OVERLAPPING] WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THE PLUS SIDE OF THE STREET ON THE WEST END, THEY'RE RELATIVELY EASY FOR US TO DO.
WE CAN MILL AND OVERLAY THOSE STREETS BECAUSE THERE AREN'T UTILITIES, BUT THERE AREN'T UTILITIES UNDERNEATH THEM.
THEY DON'T HANDLE NEAR THE TRAFFIC LOAD THAT THE STREETS IN THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY DO, AND THAT'S ALL PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT GOES INTO, MARIE.
I WOULD LOVE TO JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU AND WE CAN BRING IDEAS FORWARD AND PLANS FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S THE INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU
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AND THE MANAGER'S OFFICE FOR SURE ON HOW TO BEST DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO IT.WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY THAT COUNCIL DECIDES WE WANT TO USE WHAT LIMITED DOLLARS WE DO HAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE LIMITED, AND HOW TO EFFECTIVELY USE THOSE TO CATCH UP ON YEAR'S WORTH OF NEGLECT AND TO DO AS YOU DESIRE TO IMPROVE AREAS WHERE THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
>> WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY THING THAT ALLOWS US TO LOWER OUR TAX RATE WITH THE TAX CAP.
>> MIKE, GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MAY ANSWER A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS.
>> THE FOCUS TO BEGIN WITH IS THE OPERATING BUDGET.
THE OPERATING BUDGET THIS YEAR IS NINE MILLION HIGHER THAN LAST YEAR.
THE GENERAL FUND AS A PART OF IT IS $3.4 MILLION MORE GOING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND HEALTH BENEFITS COSTS.
THE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, WE'VE GOT 24 OF THEM.
ALL OF THAT MONEY IS RESTRICTED TO SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING IS BUDGETING THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCES, SO THEY'RE AVAILABLE DURING THE YEAR IF COUNCIL WANTS TO SPEND THEM ON ELIGIBLE PROJECTS.
ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE UP 1.2 MILLION NET, INCLUDING EQUIPMENT AND TRANSFERS TO CIP AND THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NO CHANGE IN THE DEBT SERVICE FUND. NEXT PAGE.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE CITY'S OPERATING BUDGET AS A WHOLE, IS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FUNDS, IF IT WAS ALL ONE CORPORATE OPERATION.
PROPERTY TAXES IS OUR LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE.
WATER AND SEWER IS THE NEXT LARGEST, SALES TAXES COME IN THIRD.
ALL OF OUR FEES FOR SERVICE, INCLUDING GARBAGE FEES, BUILDING PERMITS, AND EVERYTHING OF THAT SORT, BRINGS IN 15.1 MILLION.
THAT'S 11 PERCENT OR 12 PERCENT UNTIL NEXT.
SLIDE. THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY GOES, PERSONNEL IS HALF BUDGET, AND THE REASON THAT THIS IS A LARGER NUMBER THAN THE REVENUE IS THIS INCLUDES THOSE CARRYOVER BALANCES AND THE SPECIAL FUNDS.
YOU SEE THE BUDGET FOR CONSTRUCTION AND CONTINGENCY, 16 MILLION THAT'S WORTH AS MUCH AS IT IS.
IT'S SIMPLE SUICIDE AND CAPITAL RESERVES BECAUSE SO MANY OF THOSE SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS ARE USED TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS.
NEXT SLIDE, KEY BUDGET ITEMS. WE ARE PROPOSING A REDUCTION OF 6.15 CENTS ON THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO RESULT IN, THE BUDGET INCLUDES AN ESTIMATE OF A 6.29 PERCENT OVERALL GROWTH IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, AND THAT MEANS WHERE WE'VE BROUGHT OUR 20.3 PERCENT INCREASE IN [INAUDIBLE] VALUE THAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT DELIVERED TO US DOWN TO A REASONABLE RANGE, 6.25 PERCENT.
[OVERLAPPING] WE ARE JUST UNDER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE WITH THAT, RIGHT.
>> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT JUST FOR MAYBE BE SURE AND LISTENING AND DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WE ARE NOT LOWERING OUR TAXES.
WE'RE ALLOWING OUR TAX RATE, WE WILL STILL BE PAYING HIGHER TAXES OUT.
>> LIKE I MADE THAT DISTINCTION.
>> I JUST WANTED THAT RE-CLARIFY THAT, THANK YOU.
>> THIS INCLUDES PAY RAISES FOR POLICE AND FIRE THAT ARE GOING TO BRING THEM BOTH TO ABOUT A 33 PERCENT CUMULATIVE INCREASE SINCE FY 15, INCLUDING BASE PAY AND THEIR PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THE CITY MANX, WE WENT UP FIVE PERCENT FOR FIRE IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME, AND WE WENT TO CHICAGO CENTER FOR BELIEFS AS MORAL AS I MENTIONED.
>> ON MY PARTNERSHIP MOMENTS THAT LAST NUMBER.
>> SIX PERCENT FOR POLICE RELEASED.
FOR A PENSION, WE WENT FROM 12 TO 18, AND FAR WE WENT FROM 12-17.
THE REST OF IT IS THAT THE BASE PAY INCREASES.
FOR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES WE'VE GOT TWO PERCENT COLA, FIRMS TO BRING EVERYONE UP TO AT LEAST $15 AN HOUR.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? I KNOW I ASKED IT BEFORE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH.
WE'RE BRINGING THAT RATE UP TO 15 AN HOUR, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO ADJUST PEOPLE SO I'VE BEEN HERE AWHILE, SAID THERE IS A BAT IN EQUITY THAT SOMEBODY SEE ARE [INAUDIBLE] AND NOW THEY'RE MAKING LESS THAN.
>> WE'VE GOT A NET GROWTH OF FOUR ADDITIONAL CIVILIAN STAFF CITYWIDE.
>> IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE, BUT I'M SORRY.
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>> THAT'LL BE ON THE GENERAL FUND SLIDE, LET ME LET ME KEEP GOING.
[OVERLAPPING] WE'VE GOT, THERE'S A CHART IN THE BUDGET TO THAT LISTS ALL OF THEM, I MAY HAVE DEALT REMEMBER FOR IT THERE.
THE VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT BUDGET IS $6.6 MILLION, THAT INCLUDES TRUCKS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR OUR SOLID WASTE AND INCLUDES POLICE CARS, HOPE IT WORKS VEHICLES ALL ROLLING STOCK.
I NEED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THERE'S REVENUE THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET YET, THE LIBRARY BOARD IS MEETING TODAY.
THEY HAVE NOT YET MADE OF A DECISION AND ON THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE PROPOSED TO.
SO THERE'S NO REVENUE IN THIS BUDGET FROM THAT PROPOSED SANITATION BEING INCREASES AND TAP FEE INCREASE THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA ARE NOT IN THE WATER AND SEWER BUDGETS.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING A SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENT FROM MOODY GARDENS AS A RESULT OF A OF A JUDGMENT OVER 20 YEARS AGO AND THAT IS $440,000 THAT THAT IS NOT IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE 21 SAW THE LAST PAYMENT UNDER THAT JUDGMENT.
>> INSTEAD OF PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE'S A CONSENT DECREE FROM A LAWSUIT SETTLEMENT.
>> IT STOPS THIS YEAR AND WE WILL NEVER START UP AGAIN, SO WE PARSE STUFF, NOW ALMOST 500,000 ON THAT.
>> NEXT SLIDE NOW. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO PEOPLE IN REVIEWING THIS 500-PAGE THINGS THAT WE PRODUCE EVERY YEAR IS START WITH THE CITY MANAGERS TRANSMITTAL, WHICH YOU'LL FIND ON PDF PAGE 14 ONLINE, AND THEN THE BUDGET SUMMARY DISCUSSION THAT START ON PAGE 38, THERE YOU'LL FIND THE ECONOMIC OUTLOOK, THE REVENUE SUMMARY, AND THE EXPENDITURE SUMMARY.
THE TABLE OF CONTENTS IS INDEX, SO SOMEBODY CAN GO TO THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND CLICK ON ANY ENTRY AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THAT PART OF THE BUDGET.
NEXT SLIDE, THE BUDGET IS PUT TOGETHER AS A MANAGEMENT PLAN, EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS ELEMENTS OF PLANNING, MANAGEMENT, AND CONTROL IN THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET.
THEIR SECTION THAT LISTS ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE DEPARTMENT IN FISCAL 21 AND THEIR GOALS FOR FISCAL 22 IS THE PLANNING ASPECT OF THE BUDGET.
FROM A MANAGEMENT THEIR PERFORMANCE INDICATORS GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WORKLOAD, EFFECTIVENESS, EFFICIENCY, THOSE MANAGEMENT ISSUES.
THE EXPENDITURE SUMMARY, THAT'S FIVE CATEGORY, GIVES YOU THE BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THEIR BUDGET, AND THERE'S HIGHLIGHTS THAT EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCES IN EVERY CATEGORY FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT BETWEEN THE FY 22 PROPOSED AND THIS YEAR'S ESTIMATED SPENDING.
THEY ALSO SERVE A PURPOSE OF CONTROL, VERY DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL ROSTER IS IN THE BUDGET ALONG WITH LINE-ITEM EXPENDITURE DETAIL.
>> THAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
>> IS IN A PROPOSED BUDGET, NOW I THINK I RAN THREE THAT I WASN'T GIVEN MR. MAXWELL AS A COPY OF EACH DEPARTMENTS LINE-ITEM BUDGET.
>> THAT'S QUITE LOWNESS OF WHAT WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO DO IS GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN EVENT.
>> THAT IS PERFECT. SO THERE WILL BE FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, EACH CATEGORY, THE RATES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANT THE SAME ANYTHING.
>> SURE I CAN DO THAT, WHEN I HAD A HARD TIME SAVING THAT FIVE MAIN THINGS THAT WE'RE LEARNING.
>> WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.
>> THANK YOU WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> NEXT SLIDES, THIS IS THE WAY WE PUT THIS BUDGET TOGETHER.
WE DO A PRE BUDGET MAJOR TAX REVENUE FORECAST AND LOOK AT OUR OTHER REVENUES AND TO TRY TO GET AN IDEA OF WORK MAJOR EXPENSES ARE GOING, THEN WE PROVIDE THE DEPARTMENTS THEY SPENDING TARGET AT THE LINE ITEM LEVEL THAT IS BASICALLY DESIGNED TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE SPENDING AT THIS YEAR'S LEFT LEVEL, BUT KEEPING IT AFFORDABLE WITHIN THE AVAILABLE REVENUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
THE MANAGER PROPOSES THE CITY BUDGET, SO AS TO STAY WITH AVAILABLE REVENUE AND PRESENT A COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL AND OPERATING MANAGEMENT CLIENT, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ADD.
THEN COUNCIL ADOPTS OR PROVOKE PROPOSED BUDGET,
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AMENDED OR OTHERWISE, AND APPROVES APPROPRIATIONS BY ORDINATES AS THE FUNDING DEPARTMENT LEVEL, AS YOU LOOK AT THE LINE ITEMS, WHAT COUNCIL WOULD DO IS SUGGEST AMENDMENTS AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL AS A RESULT OF YOUR LAND OUT OF HER DO THAT IF THAT'S YOUR DESIRE.THEN AFTER THE BUDGET PASSES, THE MANAGER MANAGES THE BUDGET WITHIN EACH DEPARTMENT SO AS TO ACHIEVE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AS DIRECTED BY COUNSEL.
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON ON THAT PROCESS? EACH DEPARTMENT, IF THEY HAVE AN EXPENSE SO FORTH, DO THEY INPUTTED INTO IT SO WE KNOW WHAT THE EXACT AMOUNT BEING USED AND WHAT'S LEFT AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
>> YOU TALKING ABOUT AS WE GO FORWARD GUARANTEE?
>> YES, IN OTHER WORDS IF I HAVE ACCOUNT XYZ THAT HAS A MILLION DOLLARS, THEN I CAN TURN AROUND AND USE 250,000, DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY INPUT AND CHANGE THAT LINE ITEM?
>> IT GOES IN OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, AND THEN WHEN WE DO OUR QUARTERLY REPORTING, WE DO A LINE ITEM VERSION OF THE SUMMARY REPORT, THE COUNSEL GAVE, SO YES THAT'S WHERE IT'S WIDER, MEASURED, AND WISE.
>> SO IT'S DONE ON THE PORTLAND.
MIKE, BUT IF WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THE PROPOSED BUDGET, YOU CAN'T OVERSPEND IT, COUNCIL MEMBER, IT'S LIMITED.
IT COMES TO US AND IT SHOWS HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE.
IF I TRY TO APPROVE A PURCHASE ORDER PUT IN BY THE DEPARTMENT AND IT EXCEEDS A BUDGET, IT WON'T ALLOW THE SYSTEM TO DO IT.
IT WON'T GENERATE A PURCHASE ORDER.
>> BUT IT WILL GIVE ME AN INVOICE OF WHAT THE MONEY WAS SPENT ON.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE ALL [OVERLAPPING] WENT TO, WHATEVER, LABOR DOLLAR SPENT ON ADS.
THESE ARE THE MAJOR BUDGET PRINCIPLES WE TRY TO OPERATE UNDER.
NUMBER 1, IS FUND CURRENT EXPENSE WITH CURRENT INCOME, THAT'S WHAT IS CALLED STRUCTURAL BALANCE.
JUST INTO THE VERNACULAR, YOU DON'T BUY GROCERIES WITH YOUR CREDIT CARD.
YOU TRY TO MAKE DO WITH THE MONEY YOU'VE GOT IN THE CURRENT YEAR OF THIS BUDGET.
CITY REVENUE IS NOT FUNGIBLE, I SEE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY SEE THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT OTHER CITY SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING, AND SUGGEST THAT, THAT MONEY COULD BE [OVERLAPPING] ON SOMETHING ELSE.
AS WE SAID EARLIER, THAT THE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS ON ALL BUT THE GENERAL FUND RESTRICT $90 MILLION TO $124 MILLION BUDGET IN TOTAL.
I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING WITH THE HARD COPY HERE.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY RESTRICT THE 90 MILLION?
>> THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX TRICKLE-DOWN MONEY FOR INSTANCE.
>> WE'RE USING IT FOR THE TROLLEY, WE'RE USING IT FOR THE BUS TROLLEY SYSTEM.
>> I'M SAYING FOR ENTERPRISE THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, IS THAT TRUE MIKE?
>> WE HAVE TO STICK TO THOSE GUIDELINES WHEN WE PUT THE BUDGET [NOISE] TOGETHER IN.
A RULE THAT I GOT FROM SOMEBODY I WORKED FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, WAS ONE FUNDING OPTIONS EXIST, YOU USE THE MOST FLEXIBLE FUNDING SOURCE LAST.
THAT'S SIMPLY TO KEEP YOUR OPTIONS OPEN AND COMMIT THE MORE RESTRICTED MONEY FAR.
THE CITY HAS ONLY ONE TRULY FLEXIBLE FUNDS, THE GENERAL FUND, AND 74 PERCENT OF THAT GOES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
MUCH CHOICE OF THE CITY AND AROUND THE STATE, YOU WILL FIND THIS AS TRUE IN GENERAL WAS SITTING SO THAT THEIR GENERAL FUND OPERATION IS HEAVILY ORIENTED TOWARDS PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE, STREETS, AND DRAINAGE.
>> DON'T WE TAKE IN LATE HAVE TWO FUNDS THAT ARE LIKE THAT, THE GENERAL FUND AND THE IDC FUND? I MEAN, GRANTED WE HAVE FOR SILENCE, SO WE HAVE TO STICK WITHIN THEM THAT THEY ARE RUNNING CONVERT FUNDS.
I MADE SHAREPOINT AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT THERE, THAT YOU LEAD THEM FLEXIBLE FUNDS FOR LAST.
>> THERE'S A DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY THERE?
>> THERE'S A DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEBT SERVICE FUND BUT THEY ARE RESTRICTED.
WE TRY TO MAKE OUR BUDGET DECISIONS BASED ON THE LONG VIEW.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT YEAR? HOW ARE WE GOING TO BALANCE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? ARE WE, ARE WE PUTTING OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN? THE THING THAT WE REALLY EMPHASIZE IS WE TRY TO BE AS ACCURATE AS
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POSSIBLE IN OUR LINE ITEM NUMBERS.WE HAVE A SINGLE AND THE GENERAL FUND SINGLE CONTINGENCY, AGAIN, THAT'S UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY MANAGER IN THE COUNCIL, AND IT'S A GENERAL FUND BALANCE.
WE DON'T ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PAD THEIR LINE ITEM JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN.
WHAT WE DO IS WE EMPHASIZE TO THEM THAT IF THEY'RE ON TASK, FULFILLING THEIR MISSION, DOING WANT NEEDS TO BE DONE THROUGH THE MONITORING PROCESS.
WE IDENTIFIED BUDGET AMENDMENTS, THAT WILL BE NEEDING AND THEY'LL GET THE FUNDS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS AT THE RIGHT TIME [NOISE].
FUND BALANCE, IF YOU LOOK AT GENERAL FUND NOW, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO $20 MILLION.
THAT WILL BE A BELLWETHER WORKFORCE FROM BACK BEFORE WE PAID THE CBM SETTLEMENT INGRAINED OR FUND BALANCE DOWN.
>> EXCUSE ME, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTINGENCY FUND OR JUST OPERATING THE BALANCING OPERATION FUND, THAT AMOUNTS TO WHAT ON THE CALENDAR?
>> [OVERLAPPING] IT'S 11 DAYS.
>> 111 DAYS. THAT WAS ETHICAL [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE].
>> [OVERLAPPING] WHEN IT RELATES TO A 111 DAYS.
THE BUDGET IS BASED ON THE 4985, $0.849 PER A $100 OF TAXABLE DAY.
IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT YOU USE THAT RIGHT.
YOU PROPOSE OUT RIGHT FOR PURPOSES OVER YOU DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UNDER NEW REVENUE RATE IS ¢46.5558 AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS 0.498537.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS JUST UNDER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, AS I SAID.
YOU CAN ALWAYS ADOPT A LOWER RATE ONCE YOU PROPOSED RATE, BUT NOT A HIGHER RATE.
[NOISE] WE ARE ASKING YOU TO DO THAT. NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS THE WAY [BACKGROUND] THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE GROWTH SPLITS OUT IN THE BUDGET.
AS YOU SEE, THE DEBT SERVICE FUND AND THE ROSENBERG LIBRARY, WE'VE GOT A CHARTER MANDATED $0.05 RATE FOR THE ROSENBERG LIBRARY, AND WE'RE HOLDING THE DEBT SERVICE FUND RATE AT FIVE AND A QUARTER.
WHAT THAT DOES IS INCREASE THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUES AVAILABLE TO RETIRE THE CITY'S DEBT.
IT PROVIDES SOME ADDITIONAL CAPACITY GOING FORWARD SHOULD THERE BE A STRAIGHT DRAINAGE BOND ELECTION.
THE [BACKGROUND] REMAINDER, [OVERLAPPING].
>> EXCUSE ME. MIKE, EXCUSE ME.
WE'RE GETTING SOME INPUT THAT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU ONLINE.
>> OR IS THERE A WAY TO TURN UP THE VOLUME NOW? [OVERLAPPING]
>> CAN WE TURN THAT UP TO NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
>> [INAUDIBLE], THAT SOUNDS LIKE A COMMERCIAL.
>> WE'RE GETTING INPUT THAT PEOPLE ONLINE CAN'T HEAR AS WELL.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN TURN THE VOLUME UP ON OUR END OR MIGHT JUST NEED TO SPEAK UP?
>> I'LL GET WITH MARISSA AND SEE IF WE CAN TURN IT UP.
>> THE OVERALL INCREASE IN OUR BUDGETED REVENUE YOU SEE IS 6.29 PERCENT.
YOU NOTE THAT THESE NUMBERS ARE LARGER THAN WHAT IS GOING TO GO ON THE PROPERTY TAX HEARING NOTICE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH CHERYL EARLIER.
[NOISE] THE REASON BEING, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE FREEZE ACCOUNTS OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NOW, WHEN I USE THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WE LOSE THE ENTIRETY OF THAT INCREASE AND I BELIEVE THAT IT'S FOR TWO OR THREE REASONS.
WE DON'T MAP THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'LL SEE IT IN MY PROPERTY TAX CHART IN THE BUDGET, I'M ESTIMATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE ABOUT $150,000 OF ACTUAL REVENUE PAY BY OWNERS WHO GET THE OVER 65 FOR EACH.
IT'S NOT PERFECTLY PROPORTIONAL.
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BUT FOR PEOPLE WHOSE VALUE DIDN'T GO UP THAT MUCH, THAT REDUCED TAX RATE IS VERY LIABLE TO GIVE THEM A TAX BILL THAT'S LESS THAN THEIR FREEZE AMOUNT.WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY CAN RUN IT THROUGH THE COUNTY'S SYSTEM.
I'VE ASKED CHERYL AND THEY'VE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GIVE ME THAT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT THE NUMBERS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE BASED ON THIS YEAR'S 56 CENTRAL RATE.
IT JUST DOESN'T STAND TO REASON THAT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO REDUCE SOME PEOPLE'S TAXES [INAUDIBLE].
>> BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO NEW DEVELOPMENT.
YOU FIRST SAID NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THEN YOU SAID THE 60-Y FREEZE.
>> WE'RE NOT DOING THIS, ENUMERATING THE REASONS THAT IT'S NOT $700,000, WHAT'S LEFT IN TERMS OF THE INCREASE IF WE WENT WITH THE REVENUE.
>> BUT IN THE CASE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHICH ISN'T ADDED INTO HERE, MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S NON-HOMESTEADED.
IT WOULDN'T BE A 65 FREEZE, BUT WE'RE ASSUMING THAT A PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS THE 65 FREEZE.
>> WHY WOULD IT NOT BE HOMESTEADED?
>> BECAUSE MOST NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS SECOND HOMES OR DETAILS COMING IN.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT IT, AND TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR AND I HAVE BEKNOWN THIS FACT OVER THE YEARS THAT THE WAY THE CALCULATION WORKS, THEY TAKE ALL OF OVER 65 ACCOUNTS COMPLETELY OUT OF THE CALCULATION FROM THE VERY START.
ANY INTERNAL DYNAMICS THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE INCREASING, IT'S NOT A FACTOR ON THE RATE.
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WAY FOR THEM TO DO IT, BUT THAT IS THE WAY THE STATE LAW WORKS WHEN IT COMES TO CALCULATING THE PROPERTY TAX RATE.
>> IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT WHERE OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS ARE COMING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE VERY EASY TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF THAT IS HOMESTEADED, OR NOT HOMESTEADED, OR 65 AND NOT BECAUSE I WOULD GIVE TO GUESS THAT THE MAJORITY OF IT ISN'T.
>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE FROM LAST YEAR'S PERIOD, AN IDEA OF HOW THAT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PAST YEAR, MORE SO THAN LAST YEAR.
>> NEW DEVELOPMENT MIKE, DOES THAT TAKE IN COMMERCIAL ALSO?
>> YES, IT DOES. IT'S CITYWIDE.
WE HAD $184 MILLION IN BUILDING COMPANIES LAST YEAR.
>> THAT'S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL [INAUDIBLE].
>> THAT'S WHAT FED THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION NUMBER WAS $184 MILLION [INAUDIBLE].
>> YEAH. BUT THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY IN ACTUAL DOLLARS, IS WHAT, $700,000?
>> LET ME FINISH MY STATEMENT THAT I DISCOUNTED THE OVER 65 TAX RAISED REVENUE SOMEWHAT.
ALSO, THIS RATE CALCULATION, IF YOU GO TO THE VERY BACK OF IT NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'VE ADDED THIS YEAR IS YOUR ABILITY TO GO BACK AND PICK UP FROM PRIOR YEARS' INCREMENTS ON YOUR TAX RATE THAT YOU DIDN'T USE.
THERE'S 0.0035 SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED ON TOP OF IT THAT YOU DON'T GET, IF YOU GO WITH ANOTHER REVENUE RATE AND THAT'S ABOUT $270,000.
>> TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS WE'VE HAD RESIDENTIAL.
I'M STILL QUESTIONING WHY WE'RE FACTORING IN AN OVER 65.
WE NEVER APPLIED TO COMMERCIAL.
>> IT CHANGES. THE OVER 65 AMOUNT CHANGES EVERY YEAR.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TAKING A FAIRLY GOOD AMOUNT OR SAYING THE XYZ, WHICH IS WHY WE COULD DO A NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
>> WELL, WE NEED TO GET INTO DISCUSSION OF THAT.
>> THAT NO NEW REVENUE RATE, AND THE DIFFERENCES, AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THIS BUDGET, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> THE NEXT SLIDES. [BACKGROUND]
>> I WALK THROUGH BECAUSE ALL OF IT, WHATEVER THE IMPACT IS, IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
>> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT? WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE $20 MILLION AND HAVING 111 DAYS AND I DON'T WANT TO USE MY CALCULATOR, HOW MUCH IS THAT A DAY, OUR RESERVE FUND?
>> WE LOOKED AT THAT YESTERDAY.
THERE WAS A $160,000. [FOREIGN]
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>> I JUST GOT A NOTE, THE VOLUME HAS BEEN TURNED UP.
FACEBOOK AND CHANNEL 16 HAVE BEEN CHECK.
HEARING ON THOSE CHANNELS IS PERFECTLY FINE EVEN BEFORE THEY TURNED IT UP BUT THEY HAVE TURNED IT UP. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M JUST SEEING COMMENTS ON FACEBOOK THAT THEY CAN HEAR.
>> THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, $64 MILLION.
IF WE TRIED TO TAKE $2.5 MILLION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, I SUSPECT NOBODY AT THIS TABLE WOULD WANT TO CUT PUBLIC SAFETY, STREETS, AND TRAFFIC OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE SET ASIDE.
THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT YOU CAN DO TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE SET ASIDE ANYWAY.
EIGHT PERCENT OF THAT 2.5 MILLION WOULD HAVE TO COME OFF OF THAT, THAT'S SET ASIDE.
>> LIBRARY IS NOT ON THIS LIST EITHER.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE 12, [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] YOU SEE THEY ACTUALLY GO UP.
>> I KNOW BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S NOT FOR THE CUT, IF YOU TAKE THAT $2.5 MILLION OFF THE TOP.
>> IF YOU LOOK PAST THOSE CATEGORIES, PUBLIC SAFETY STREETS AND TRAFFIC, INFRASTRUCTURE SET ASIDE, NOW YOU'RE LEFT WITH 15 MILLION TO TRY TO TAKE 2.5 MILLION FROM.
THERE'S MORE PRECISE INFORMATION IN THE BUDGET, BUT THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFECT THIS.
IN MY OPINION, IS WITHOUT DOING A LOT OF LAYOFFS.
YOU COULD GO SHORT SHRIFT ON SOME OF THE CIVILIAN PAY, BUT THE FIRE AND POLICE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AGREEMENT PAY INCREASES WHICH ADD UP TO A MILLION DOLLARS.
OUR ONLY AGENDA FOR APPROVAL, THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE THAT YOU CAN TIE TO EXPENDABLE IDEAS.
THIS MAY BE MORE QUESTION FOR [INAUDIBLE] THAN MIKE.
IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, IT TAKES US $2.5 MILLION OFF PROPERTY TAX.
AS MIKE SAYS, WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE CUTS IN THESE VERY FEW PLACES.
WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON 911? WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON POLICE AND FIRE PERSONNEL? THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, WOULD WE HAVE TO GET INTO CUTTING?
>> PROBABLY CIVILIAN ONLY, NOT YOUR POLICE OFFICERS OR YOUR FIRE.
>> WE WOULDN'T TAKE FROM PUBLIC SERVICE.
YOU'D POSSIBLY ELIMINATE [INAUDIBLE] TRANSIT.
>> YOU ELIMINATE THE TRANSIT, YOU ELIMINATE YOUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAVE CERTAIN CHARTER-MANDATED LIMITS ON THE STREETS OR DRAINAGE ANYWHERE AND INFRASTRUCTURE SET ASIDE.
HOW OFTEN CAN WE DO THIS BEFORE WE'RE LAYING OFF POLICE AND FIRE?
>> YEAH. MAYBE WE GET LUCKY THIS YEAR, BUT NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AT SOME POINT IF WE GO THIS DIRECTION.
>> THE ENTITIES THAT LIVE WITH THAT NO NEW REVENUE RATE ARE EXPERIENCING A MUCH HIGHER GROWTH RATE THAN WE ARE.
>> OR WE COULD FOCUS ON AREAS WHERE WE HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT ALREADY COMING IN, THAT WILL INCREASE OUR TAX RATE SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CUT FROM DEPARTMENTS.
>> TAX PAYERS. YOU SAID INCREASE TAX RATE, YOU MEAN TAX PAYERS?
>> THE QUESTION BECOMES IN MY MIND, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GOING TO THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WE COULD MAKE DECISIONS HERE TODAY THAT PROBABLY, IF WE STARTED CUTTING IN ALL THESE AREAS TO GET US TO THAT, THE PROBLEM IS THE YEARS COMING UP.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD RUN INTO PROBLEM, NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND BUDGET AFTER THAT. YES, JOHN.
>> [INAUDIBLE] STATEMENTS HERE, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE ON GROWTH TO GET US TO A NO NEW REVENUE RATE EACH YEAR? HOW MUCH NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL WE NEED TO HIT THAT NUMBER?
>> YOU'D PROBABLY NEED THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT.
>> THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT, SO WE HAD $100 MILLION.
THIS YEAR, WE NEED $300 MILLION.
>> $141, EXCUSE ME. [OVERLAPPING].
>> YOU'D NEED $141 MILLION IN NEW DEVELOPMENT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WAS FIGURE FOR THIS YEAR.
>> WE NEED SOME AGREEMENT WITH THE LIBRARY.
>> TO JOHN'S POINT THOUGH, SO WE WOULD NEED FIVE MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN NEW GROWTH.
>> I'M SORRY, $500 MILLION A YEAR IN NEW GROWTH TO HAVE A NO NEW REVENUE RATE.
>> TO OFFSET THE CUTS REQUIRED BY NO NEW RATE REVENUE.
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>> IF THAT'S OUR ULTIMATE GOAL, [LAUGHTER] WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE [LAUGHTER] $500 MILLION [INAUDIBLE] EACH YEAR.
[LAUGHTER] IS THAT FROM A FINANCIAL STABILITY STANDPOINT, THAT APPROACH IS FAR BETTER.
>> WELL ABSOLUTELY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY'VE BEEN STARTING CUTTING ALL OF THESE THINGS AND GETTING IT TO [OVERLAPPING]
>> THERE ARE ONLY TWO WAYS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
>> WELL, THERE IS A QUESTION THAT THE ONE AREA THAT WOULD BE MOST QUESTIONABLE WOULD BE ON TRANSIT, BECAUSE WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POPULATIONS GO INTO COMMAND TO.
IF THE POPULATION COMES IN UNDER 50,000, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET VENTURE FUNDING FOR [OVERLAPPING]
>> ARE WE GOING TO GET NUMBER TODAY? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED TODAY? [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT DO WE KNOW THAT? [OVERLAPPING] DO WE KNOW THAT?
>> IN THIS BUDGET, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN [NOISE] CUT DOWN TO MINIMUM, IT'S AT $200,000 OR SO.
>> BECAUSE IT IS ASTOUNDING TODAY WHEN I LOOK AT EITHER BUSES OR EVEN WHEEL TROLLEYS OR WHATNOT.
YOU'LL SEE VERY FEW PEOPLE ON THEM.
>> MIKE, MAKE THAT STATEMENT AGAIN THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE 200,000.
>> THAT'S THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY.
THERE'S ONLY 200,000 IN THIS BUDGET.
>> WHEN I CAME ON THE COUNCIL, IT WAS ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF [OVERLAPPING].
WE HAVE REDUCED THAT MASSIVELY.
>> IF WE KEEP OPERATING ALL ON TRANSIT LONG-TERM AND OUR FUNDING ISSUE GETS ADDRESSED, THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP OVER TIME.
>> WE PROJECTED FIVE YEARS TO GET CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS SUBSIDY [INAUDIBLE] RURAL TRANSIT.
>> WE REDUCED OUR ROUTES AND THE FREQUENCY AND ALL OF THAT AND THAT HELPED A GREAT DEAL.
REAL EVIDENCE IS HERE, BUT THAT 200,000, MIKE, WE'RE LOSING IN TRANSIT RIGHT NOW.
>> THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY THIS YEAR [OVERLAPPING]
>> BUT WE'RE RECEIVING GRANTS, WHICH ARE OFFSET IN ORDER TO REDUCING THE GENERAL FUND DRAW OF [INAUDIBLE] TRANSIT, THOSE ARE GOING TO GO AWAY.
WE'RE OPERATING ON A RECOVERY GRANTS SPECIFIC TO TRANSIT THAT ARE PAYING OUR OPERATING COSTS.
WHEN THOSE FUNDS GO AWAY THEN THE LINES CAN COME RIGHT BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND.
>> HOW MANY VEHICLES OR BUSES DID WE HAVE THAT ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED IN SOME WAY THAT WE WOULD RATHER RISK OF HAVING TO REFUND MONEY IF WE STOP TRANSIT?
>> WELL, THEY ALL ARE, ALL THE BUSES ARE FEDERALLY FUNDED, WELL THEY'D PROBABLY DO IF WE SHUT DOWN AS THEY TRANSFER TO ANOTHER AGENCY, THROUGH ANOTHER TRANSIT OPERATOR.
THEY LOOK AT THEIR ASSETS AS A BIG POOL OF ASSETS ACROSS ALL THE FTA AGENCIES, SO THEY WOULD TRANSFER THOSE ASSETS, ABSENT THE TROLLEYS.
>> BUT IF THERE WOULD BE ANY PENALTIES TO US FINANCIALLY?
>> MAY OR MAY NOT BE, BUT THE CHANCES ARE [OVERLAPPING] THEY WOULD TRANSFER THE ASSETS.
MOST OF OUR BUSES ARE MORE AGE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NEW VEHICLES, WE'RE COMING UP ON A REPLACEMENT CYCLE FOR THOSE TRANSIT VEHICLES.
>> BUT IT COMES BACK TO JOHN'S STATEMENT, THE SOP.
>> JUST SPECIFICALLY ISLAND TRANSIT.
HAVING A ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM IS VERY COSTLY, WE ALL KNOW THAT, SO WE START MAKING CUTS THERE, BUT PRETTY SOON YOU GET DOWN TO ONE BUS A MONTH.
I MEAN, [LAUGHTER] JUST THINKING OF IT, LONG BEFORE YOU'VE ELIMINATED ALL OF THE COST, YOU'VE ELIMINATED THE FUNCTIONAL USABILITY OF YOUR TRANSIT SYSTEM BY LIMITING ROUTES, LIMITING TIME, SO FORTH.
YOU CAN ONLY MAKE THE BUSES SO SMALL, YOU CAN ONLY REDUCE THE ROUTES SO MUCH BEFORE THAT IS DONE.
>> THE OLD TRANSIT STYLE SYSTEM, PRE-UBER.
THIS ISN'T THE SAME ANYMORE, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT NOW TO OPERATE IT.
THE BIGGEST CALLS FOR US AS THE HANDICAP AND PARAPLEGIA TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT WE OPERATE, IS CALLED DEMAND RESPONSE AND IT'S EXCEEDINGLY EXPENSIVE ROAST TO OPERATE.
>> EXACTLY. ARE WE MANDATED TO SAYING THAT?
>> YEAH, WE DO. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIVE WITHIN X NUMBER OF FEET OF A TRANSIT STOP AND THEY NEED ASSISTANCE SO WE HAVE TO PROVIDE.
>> IF WE HAVE A TRANSIT SYSTEM, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE.
>> BUT RIGHT NOW, IT'S $200,000, THEY GOT AS HIGH AS EIGHT OR $900 THOUSAND, WE'VE MOVED THAT DOWN AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PROGRESS WE'VE MADE IS UNDER.
[LAUGHTER] WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TRANSIT OPERATOR NOW RUNNING ON TRANSIT AND HE HAS MADE A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE SINCE HE GOT HERE, JAMES OLIVER.
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WHEREAS LEAN AND MEAN AS WE CAN BE RIGHT NOW, HE'S GOT A SHARP PENCIL AND I UNDERSTANDS THE SYSTEM IS WELL RESPECTED BY FTA AND TEXT BACK, SO WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE JOB TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.>> BUDGET OR NO BUDGET ON THAT, DAN, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TRANSIT SYSTEM COUNCIL DOES.
AGAIN, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN A FUTURE MEETING ON THAT AND SEE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT.
>> DO WE KNOW WHAT OUR RIDERSHIP IS?
>> YEAH, WE HAVE ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
>> YEAH, [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN SET ON THAT. WE SET IT ON A SEPARATE WORKSHOP, AND THEN JAMES' COMING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU.
>> IF IT'S OKAY WE'LL BE COMING ON BOARD HERE SHORTLY TO TALK ABOUT JOHN'S THOUGHTS.
>> SALES TAX, NEXT PAGE, [NOISE] THE CAPTION, STRONG FOR NOW, WE'VE GOT SALES TAX YESTERDAY FOR THE MONTH OF JUNE.
YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX NUMBER FOR JUNE, WAS THE FIRST $4 MILLION MONTH WE'VE EVER HAD, [OVERLAPPING] WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF INCREASE OVER WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING BUT YESTERDAY'S NUMBER WAS 300 THOUSAND MORE FOR GENERAL FUND THAN WHAT I HAD IN MY ESTIMATE.
RIGHT NOW, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO END THIS YEAR WITH $18 MILLION IN SALES TAX AND THE ESTIMATE I'VE GOT IN THE BOOK IS 17 AND A QUARTER MILLION.
THAT'S ASSUMING THAT THIS GREAT STIMULUS EFFECT CONTINUES THROUGH SEPTEMBER [NOISE] AND IT'S NOT KNOCKED BACK SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE VARIANT.
THIS IS A VERY UNSTABLE TIME WITH THE SITUATION WITH THIS VIRUS, AND SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WE WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL BEFORE WE COUNT ON MUCH OF THAT STIMULUS EFFECT FOR NEXT YEAR.
THE MODELING THAT I'VE DONE INDICATES WE COULD BE AS HIGH AS 19 MILLION NEXT YEAR AND THAT'S BASED ON THE NOTION THAT THE STIMULUS EFFECT WOULD GRADUALLY TAPER OFF THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR.
WHAT I'VE GOT IN HERE IS 18.2 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR.
I THINK THAT'S A PRUDENT NUMBER, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SOME CARRY OVER BUT [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I HAVE DONE INDICATES A STIMULUS EFFECT IS FULLY BY A $100 THOUSAND A QUARTER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] ANOTHER ONE THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE PART BOARD AS WELL, IS THAT AS THE VARIANCE COULD ALWAYS ASK FOR THIS BUT AS CRUISING STARTS UP AGAIN, AS TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS WERE BEING RELAXED, ARE WE SEEING MORE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST GOING TO THE BEACH AND COMING DOWN HERE AND SPENDING ON SALES TAX MONEY, GETTING ON A CRUISE SHIP AND GOING AWAY.
YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A STAY AT HOME KIND OF EFFECT IN THIS SALES TAX NUMBERS THAT WE MAY SEEK MANAGEMENT TAX PER REQUEST.
>> I THINK THERE WILL BE, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS SALES TAX AND WE GOT TO START SAVING IT, IT'S CLIMBING, IT'S GOING TO START EARLY OFF.
>> WE'RE AT A LOW EMPLOYMENT LEVEL AND THAT'S OUR MAIN INDICATOR FOR SALES TAX.
WE'VE RECOVERED AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, THE HOUSTON METRO AREA, ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WE LOST IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR.
THE COMPLETE RECOVERY DAY FOR THE JOBS JUST GETTING PUSHED OUT FURTHER AND FURTHER, INITIALLY THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE TWO-YEAR TIME NOW THEY'RE SAYING UP UNTIL THREE.
NEXT SLIDE. [NOISE] IF YOU LOOK AT PROPERTY AND SALES TAX COMBINED WHEN YOU COMPARE WITH THE 21 ESTIMATE, [NOISE] IT'S $2 MILLION IN GROWTH.
AGAIN, THE AREA THAT WAS PROPERTY TAX AT THIS POINT WE'RE SAYING IT'S ABOUT A MILLION FOR SALES TAX.
THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY BE LESS WHEN THE ACTUAL SALES TAX COMES IN AS WE EXPECT IT TO COME IN HIGHER.
BUT BASICALLY THAT'S YOUR [INAUDIBLE] MARGINAL GROWTH REVENUE SOURCES.
ALL THE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES IN THE GENERAL FUND DON'T ADD UP TO A $100 THOUSAND GROWTH YEAR TO YEAR.
THINGS COME AND GO, THEY REPLACE EACH OTHER.
AS I SAID THE MILEY GARDENS PAYMENT IS NOT IN, LIBRARY PAYMENT IS NOT IN, SO WHERE'S THAT GOING? ONE AND A QUARTER MILLION TOTAL IS GOING TO PLACE IN FIRE PAY, AN INCREASE IN OUR EMS SERVICE FROM THE COUNTY,
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CIVILIAN STAFFING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, [NOISE] TWO POSITIONS, AND A HALF A POSITION IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.WE'VE BUILT INTO THE GENERAL FUND $330,000 TO TRY TO STAY UP WITH PRICES FOR GASOLINE AND ROAD MATERIALS AND VEHICLE PARTS AND THE HEALTH BENEFITS MEMBER IS BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF HIGHER CLAIM LEVELS AND A NUMBER LIKE THAT IS IN EVERY OPERATING FUND TO RECOGNIZE THE INCREASE IN HEALTH BENEFITS.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE SET ASIDE BY CHARTER WENT UP TO $244,000 BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRATION GENERAL FUND REVENUE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THERE'S ESSENTIALLY THREE POSITIONS.
CITY AUDITOR, PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, BUDGET OFFICE.
THE PURCHASING EDITION IS TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT FOCUSES ON THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTRACT COMPLIANCE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION THERE. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HANDLE THAT UNDER AUDIT WHICH IS WHY WE ADDED EXTRA WITH THE CMS?
>> WELL, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF ADMINISTRATIVE WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT, THAT IS THE FUNCTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND NOT THE AUDITOR.
THE AUDITOR WOULD BE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THAT CONTRACTS ARE ADHERED TO BUT THE ACTUAL CONTACT TO PEOPLE, THE ACTUAL CONTACT WITH THE CONTRACTORS, THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSIBILITY.
>> WE'RE GOING TO ADD OUR NEXT AUGUST 26, AGENDA.
WE'LL HAVE AN ITEM TO DISCUSS THIS CMS SYSTEM.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF ON A TANGENT ON THAT BUT WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT'S ACTUAL OPERATIONAL ISSUES AND CMS AND PUTS ON THE ISSUES AND THAT'S WHAT MIKE'S ALLUDED TO AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
>> WELL, IT WAS INTRIGUING TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL THAT THE [NOISE] SORRY. IT'S VERY [NOISE].
>> AIN'T GOING ON, THAT WAS ALL [NOISE]
>> SEE IF SOMEBODY WORE [INAUDIBLE] BUT IT'S INTRIGUING TO ME WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL WHEN YOU WANTED TO AUDIT AND DO A CMS AND THE PARK BOARD AND IN THE WORKBOARD, IT WAS HANDLED SOLELY BY THE AUDIT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE THAT SOMEONE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING AT OVERSEEING IT AND IT WAS DONE WITH BOTH OF THOSE.
NOW WHEN IT COMES TO THIS CITY, WE'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED SOMEONE IN ADMINISTRATION.
>> THOSE AREN'T THE SAME QUESTIONS.
>> NO, IT'S NOT. STILL THAT I DON'T WANT ANY OF THE DETAILS BUT THE OTHER THING OF THE PARK BOARD MAINLY WAS THE WHISTLEBLOWER EVENT THAT WAS REPORTED TO THE CITY AT THE PARK AND WE ASSIGNED AN AUDITING SITUATION TO THAT. BUT.
>> BUT WE ALSO PUT THE CMS SYSTEM WHICH IS TO ADD THAT PERSON ANYMORE.
>> WELL, LET'S JUST PRESERVE THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF ON A TANGENT BUT YOU HAVE A MANAGEMENT PORTION OF CMS AND YOU HAVE ACTUALLY THE AUDITING PORTION OF CMS. IN SOME, WE NEED TO DETERMINE IF YOU WILL AT THE SAME PERSON, IT'S AUDITING THE SYSTEM, MANAGING THE SYSTEM.
>> I'M NOT SO SURE THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO THAT.
>> YOU CAN EASILY SOLVE THAT BY TAKING THIS POSITION, TAKE IT OVER TO THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE AND LET THAT PERSON HANDLE THAT AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THEN LET YOUR AUDITORY DO WHAT THE AUDITORY NEEDS TO DO.
>> WELL, THEY'RE STILL UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE AUDITOR DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO DISCUSS THIS.
>> WELL, THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT.
I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE IT WHERE IT'S AT SO WE CAN HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES.
>> SOUNDS GOOD. WE'LL HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA COMING UP ON THE 26.
>> I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
WHEN I WAS OUT WITH BRANDON AND ROBB LAST WEEK WHEN WE WERE OUT TALKING TO OUR GOOD BUDS AT TEXT DOT AND THEN HAD SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IT SEEMS TO BE AN AREA THAT WE COULD DO USE SOME ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEES WOULD BE IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS OR IN OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE CREWS THAT DO THE OVERLAY ON THE STREETS AND SO FORTH.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE DEPARTMENT,
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PLUS WE ALSO HAVE HAD IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT AREAS HOLD DEPARTMENTS WHO WERE STAFFS WHO HAVE RESIGNED IN DIFFERENT AREAS.WE HAVE IN OUR MOST CRUCIAL DEPARTMENTS, PUBLIC WORKS, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPENINGS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT AN INTERNAL STAFF TEAM OF ASPHALT OVERLAYERS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'D CALL THEM.
BUT FOR A SIMPLE TERM, THAT'S WHY THEY [LAUGHTER] WE WOULD SAVE SO MUCH MORE MONEY IF WE HAD TWO OF THOSE TEAMS, AND TO ME, THAT'S AREAS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE TO HIRE PEOPLE.
WHAT GIVES US OUR BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WAS DONE ON SPORTSMAN ROAD.
WHEN THEY BID OUT THE PROJECT AND I'M GOING TO MAKE UP ROUGH NUMBERS FOR BRAND THAT WE'RE NOW ON.
IT WAS GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE 5-700,000 OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
OUR STAFF WAS ABLE TO DO IT FOR 75.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBER WAS, 75,000.
HE IS NOT AGAINST ME IF PEOPLE CAN'T SAY.
>> IT WAS A FIVE STAFF LEVEL GO UP 600,000.
THE CONTRACTOR BID 800,000 ON SPORTSMAN ROAD SO IT'S ABOUT 25 PERCENT.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ON SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS AND HOW MANY ROADS THAT WE COULD SIMPLY SOLVE ISSUES AND AGAIN, IN AREAS WHERE WE COULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IF WE HAD TWO ASPHALT LAYER GROUPS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT AND CALL THEM.
HOW MUCH MONEY CAN WE BE SAVING? BY DOING THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK IN THOSE AREAS WHERE IT MAKES PRACTICAL SENSE TO BE HAVING INTERNAL STAFF DOING IT VERSUS EXTERNAL STAFF.
>> THOSE ARE GREAT MANY CONTRACTS THAT ARE NOT CAPITAL PROJECTS.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME AND WHEN WE DO THAT AT THE CITY, IT BECOMES A COST-SAVINGS FOR EVERY TIME WE DO THAT CURBING SIDEWALK CRUISE FOR DOING THESE CURBING SIDEWALKS FOR MY LAST THEN WE HAD PRIVATE CONTRACTS.
>> SAME WEDGE STREET OVERLAYS.
WE COULD BE GOING INTO SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
I DON'T MEANT TO SIDELINE DISTRICT AND YOUR DISTRICT BECAUSE WE HAVE BARRIERS WHERE THEY TOUCH SO YOU CAN'T HELP BUT DRIVE ON THE ROADS WHERE WE COULD SIMPLY BE OF ONE OF MY GUYS IN BAY HARBOR WHO WORKS FOR A TECH STAFF FOR 30 YEARS THAT LAYING THE OIL DOWN, DOING THE ASPHALT ON IT AND IT WOULD SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS AND INCREASE THE VALUE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR IF LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR AREAS ON 73RD, 72ND, SOME OF THOSE STREETS THAT SIMPLY NEED TO BE OVERTOPPED OR PINE THAT WE SHARE.
PINE LOOKS LIKE A DAMP WAR ZONE.
IF WE HAD ANOTHER INTERNAL FRUIT CREW, WE COULD BE SAVING SO MUCH MORE MONEY AND HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND ON OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS.
>> MIKE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PICK YOUR [INAUDIBLE]
>> THIS SLIDE APPARENTLY GOT MISPLACED, THE AFTER-EFFECTS OF THE MANY REVENUE CUTS.
JUST SOME THOUGHTS BEFORE WE GET AWAY FROM THAT.
WE DID SAY LAYOFFS WILL BE REQUIRED.
IF YOU DON'T GET 100 PERCENT OF YOUR SAVINGS FROM THAT, YOU END UP HAVING TO PAY UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.
I WOULD HAVE TO ORDER THIS DOWN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME BUT ANY UNEMPLOYMENT, IT WAS ABOUT A THIRD OF YOUR SAVINGS THAT YOU'D STILL HAVE TO KICK IN.
SERVICE DEMANDS WOULDN'T GO DOWN AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GRASS GROW BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO GROW.
PARTICULARLY IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE AREAS, THE NOTION THAT SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER WE COULD DECIMATE OUR ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS AND OPERATE EFFECTIVELY AS A CITY, I THINK IS VERY SHORT-SIGHTED.
IF YOU CUT PAY AND OR LAID PEOPLE OFF AND ASK THE REMAINING STAFF TO JUST WORK HARDER, YOU'D HAVE HIGHER TURNOVER AND CUTS WOULD BE SO HURRY THAT THEY WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE INEFFECTIVE AND DISORGANIZED.
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YOU WOULD MISS A TARGET.WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST SIX YEARS IS CUT OVER TWO MILLION DOLLARS NET AND THAT'S SUMMARIZED IN A CHART IN THE GENERAL EMPLOYMENT SECTION.
THE ORGANIZATION WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME COMING BACK FROM THAT.
IT'D BE HARD TO GET HIGH-QUALITY STAFF AND AGAIN, THE SOLUTION IS WE KEEP DOING WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WHICH IS TARGET STRATEGIC AREAS WHERE EXPENDITURES CAN BE REDUCED.
AN AWFUL LOT OF THAT COMES FROM TAKING ADVANTAGE OF TURNOVER, REASSIGNING DUTIES.
FINANCE IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE THAT IT WAS 5, 6 YEARS AGO BUT WE'RE DOING SO MUCH MORE WITH OUR STAFF NOW BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT ORGANIZATIONALLY.
ONE POSITION AT A TIME AS WE REPLACE ME.
>> I THINK BRINGING MORE INTERNAL STAFF AND NOT RELY ON THE OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS, THAT WOULD HELP US KEEP THAT NUMBER INTACT.
>> WELL, ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DID WAS TAKING IN-HOUSE THE PREPARATION OF THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT.
THEY HAD YOUR REPORTS AND THAT PUT THE EXTERNAL AUDITOR IN THE PROPER ROLE OF NOT PREPARING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS BUT AUDITING IT. [NOISE] NEXT SLIDE, GINEL.
WE DIDN'T GET SOME SAVINGS PRIMARILY IN THE WATER SEWER AREA IN THE DEBT SERVICE, AND OUR GULF COAST WATER AUTHORITY PAYMENTS.
WHAT WE DID WAS PUT THAT MONEY INTO ONE-TIME ITEMS THIS YEAR.
WE'RE SETTING ASIDE ABOUT TWO MILLION OF IT FOR CIP, WHICH WE'RE LIABLE TO NEED AS WE CLOSE DOWN THE EXISTING LIST OF PROJECTS, BECAUSE OF THE PRICE INCREASES THAT PEOPLE ARE ENCOUNTERING.
ALSO, A SIGNIFICANT THING, MOST OF THE 2017 AND 2019 WATER AND SEWER CO DEBT SERVICE IS PROPOSED IN THIS BUDGET TO BE PAID BY THE WATER FUND INSTEAD OF THE SEWER FUND.
IT'S A 75-25 SPLIT INSTEAD OF 50-50.
THAT'S BECAUSE IN THAT RANGE, 70 PERCENT OR MORE OF THE MONEY IS GONE TO WATER PROJECTS.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO GO BACK BUT IN THIS BUDGET, WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE DEBT SERVICE BEING 75-25.
OBVIOUSLY, THE WATER AND SEWER CIP HAS BEEN BOLSTERED WITH THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN MONEY AND WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH THOSE PROJECTS.
NEXT PAGE. [NOISE] THIS IS ALL STUFF YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, THIS WAS ON THE THROW-AWAY PAGE.
NEXT SLIDE. THE BIG PICTURE ON THE CIP THIS YEAR IS WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE BIG DRAINAGE PROJECTS, THE PUMP STATIONS FUEL, THAT ARE BEING FUNDED LARGELY WITH GRANTS ON THE PORT SIDE OF THE ISLAND.
I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU, THAT'S A GREAT INVESTMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES IF THE PEOPLE ON THE STRAND HAD SOME ASSURANCE, THAT THEIR BUSINESSES WE'RE NOT GOING TO FLOOD WITH ONE HOUR RAIN OF SOME EXCESSIVE AMOUNT.
THAT'S GOING TO HELP THE POOR, THAT'S IS GOING TO HELP EVERYBODY ON THAT SIDE OF THE ISLAND.
THERE'S A BIG FOUR PROJECTS LIKE THAT NOW IN THE HOPPER. THAT SOUNDS RIGHT.
>> WE'VE TWO THAT ARE ACTUALLY FUNDED.
>> TWO THAT ARE ACTUALLY FUNDED.
>> WE'VE APPLIED FOR GRANT MONEY FOR THE REST.
THAT'S THE REASON THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT $400 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE IN THIS FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.
>> I LIKE THIS SLIDE, THE BREAKOUT HERE BUT, TELL ME, WHAT'S GENERAL FUND AND WHAT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND HERE? MOST OF THE SEWER IMPROVEMENTS ARE OUT OF WATER AND SEWER.
>> STREETS AND TRAFFIC IS WHAT YOU SEE.
>> STREETS AND TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S GENERAL REVENUE, RIGHT?
>> ARE WE SPENDING ANY GENERAL REVENUE FUNDS AT THE AIRPORT IS THAT ALL IN ENTERPRISE?
>> [OVERLAPPING] AND PARK IS TYPICALLY IDC.
>> EVEN THIS TWO PERCENT INCLUDES THE IDC PORTION.
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>> [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING] WHAT FUND DOES THE AIRPORT [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE ENTERPRISE FUND [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE ENTERPRISE, THAT'S THE KIND OF SCREAMS ITS OWN, IT EATS WHAT HE KILLS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> HOW DOES THE ONE TRILLION THAT WAS PASSED GRANTS CAUSES THE WIND TRILLION THAT WAS PASSED BY CONGRESS.
HOW DOES THAT IMPACT ANY OF THIS OUTLOOK?
>> THERE IS NO INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON THAT YET.
>> HASN'T PASSED CONGRESS, PASSED THE SENATE.
>> SENATE. YEAH, SORRY. I GOT EXCITED [LAUGHTER]
>> NEXT SLIDES. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT THOUGH.
THIS IS WHAT FY 22 LOOKS LIKE.
YOU HEAR OR SEE REFERENCES TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS BASICALLY THE FIRST YEAR OF THE FIVE-YEAR CIP.
INCREASINGLY, WE'RE GOING FROM ONE POINT ONE MILLION FOR GRANTED EACH IN LIGHT-YEARS TRAVEL BUDGET TO 73 MILLION THIS YEAR.
>> THIS SLIDE HERE, THIS IS 21.
>> GREAT JOB. IT SHOULD BE 21.
>> THE FIRST COLUMN SHOULD BE 21, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
>> I'LL CORRECT THAT FOR THE MEMBER.
CAN WE GO TO SLIDE 24 REAL QUICK? THIS IS AN INDEX FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK WITH PARTICULAR THINGS IN THE BUDGET.
THE CITYWIDE PERSONNEL BUDGET IS EXPLAINED ONLINE ON PAGES 63 AND 64, AND THE REST OF THE SUBJECTS LISTED THERE HAVE GOT A SCHEDULE OR SOME LANGUAGE OR DETAIL THAT PEOPLE COULD LOOK AT.THAT'S A PART OF THE BUDGET.
AS WE KNOW, MY CONVINCED DEPARTMENT AND STAFF THROUGHOUT THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY AND OVER PUBLIC WORKS ON THIS.
>> LET'S DO THAT AND COME BACK HERE.
THAT LITTLE BEFORE 11, IF WE COULDN'T PLACE.
COUNCIL DID FROM THEIR WORKSHOP.
WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM THREE C, PLEASE, JANELLE.
>> THREE C: DISCUSSION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE, PROCESS, AND GO.
[3C. Discussion Of Economic Development Structure, Process, And Goals (M. Hay - 30 Min)]
>> COUNCIL ON OUR AGENDA AS YOU KNOW, ON THE ACTION ITEMS WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROVING SOME ITEMS WE DISCUSSED AT A LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS CONCERNING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY NOW IN WORKSHOP IS [INAUDIBLE] OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR, WILL BE BRINGING TO US SOME THOUGHTS ON WHAT WE CALL OR WHAT SHE HAS GIVEN PACKET MATERIAL ON IS THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX.
WE WANT TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO MS. FAYE ON WHAT THE PRIORITIES THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
WE WERE GETTING INTO THAT WHAT I WOULD CALL THE JP PLAN ON MOVING WITH INCREASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
MICHELLE, WON'T YOU LET US KNOW ABOUT THIS IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO GIVE YOU SUGGESTIONS OVER.
>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT AND YES, I DIDN'T MAKE AN ASSOCIATION WITH THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION ABOUT $1 MILLION WORTH PER YEAR.
>> I HAVE IDEAS ALSO. [LAUGHTER]
>> RIGHT, RIGHT. I WON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME TODAY.
>> WE ASKED MICHELLE TO SPEAK UP, PLEASE.
>> YES. YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO? NO, IT'S RIGHT.
WELL NOW, DAVID, WHY DON'T WE JUST [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE].
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I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD FROM ME AND JUST ABOUT EVERY COUNCIL MORE TALKING COUNCIL MEETINGS ON HUB.THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING STANDPOINT.
THE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE PACKET OF THAT WAS REALLY SORT OF LIKE A ROAD MAP FOR ALL OF THE OBJECTIVES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT STAFF WOULD BE USING AND WHICH PARTNERING ENTITIES ARE GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD ON SOME OF THESE OBJECTIVES.
THESE ARE ALL OBJECTIVES THAT ARE NECESSARILY CITY INITIATIVE, BUT WE MIGHT PARTNER WITH OTHER ENTITIES OFF.
WE'VE DISCUSSED A LOT ON THIS.
MANY OF THE OBJECTIVES I THINK I'M HEARING FROM YOU ALL ARE WITHIN HERE.
TODAY I'M REALLY WANTED TO SEE ANY THOUGHTS OR ANY OBJECTIVES THAT WERE MORE TOP PRIORITY IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THIS MATRIX AND IF THERE ARE NONE, I WILL JUST CONTINUE TO USE THIS AS MY ROAD MAP AND CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING THESE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
>> I'M GOING TO KICK THIS OFF MICHELLE AND JUST GIVE YOU SOME THOUGHT.
I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO A MILE DEEP MODE ABOUT YOUR TOPIC.
>> BUT THE ONES THAT I THANK MY COUNCIL MIGHT WANT TO GIVE HIM THROUGH IT.
NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU HAVE TARGETS SECTORS HERE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE HEADING FOR THE AIRPORT.
>> I THINK THAT UNDERUTILIZED FACILITY AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE AND OVER A STRING.
WELL, I'M ON FIVE OF SIX OF THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.
SHE LISTS TARGETS, SECTORS, AND CHARTERS ON THERE AT A TIME.
I THINK THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO HAVE ITS OWN [INAUDIBLE] [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] NOT ONLY FOR CRUISE PASSENGERS BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT, WE'VE EXPANDED OTHER ACTIVITIES AT THE AIRPORT, I THINK THAT'S AN ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TAPPED AS WELL AS WE SHOULD.
>> IF I CAN ADD ON TO THAT, [BACKGROUND] [NOISE] WE HAVE ADDED TO THE MASTER PLAN, LOOKING AT WHAT IS NECESSARY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CHARTER FLIGHTS AND MERGER FLIGHTS, WHICH INITIALLY WAS MISSING, AND ALL THAT HAS BEEN ADDED INTO THE MASTER PLAN.
>> WONDERFUL, AND I THINK [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL.
>> I THINK MIKE STEICHEN DOING A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH HIM MICHELLE, I THINK HE'S DOING THAT FROM THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT OUR LAST MEETING.
>> THE OTHER THING, I'M GOING TO THROW OUT INTO THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE TARGET SECTORS.
YOU HAVE TOURISM, HIGHLIGHTS SPORTS TO AS I'D LIKE TO INSERT INTO THE ECOTOURISM, AND THE MEDICAL TOURISM ALSO.
>> I THINK MEDICAL TOURISM ESPECIALLY IS AN AREA THAT JUST MADE PER GALLON THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN REALLY TAPPED IN GRAINS IN A HIGHER RANKS IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF VISITOR TO OUR ARRIVAL THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY ADVANTAGEOUS, AND THEN MY LAST THING AND THEN I WILL OPEN IT UP ON I DON'T FAKE FORCE.
IF YOU HIT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDIZED 380 DEGREES THAT YOU HAVE ON HOLD.
WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT [NOISE] WHAT THAT MEANS
>> IT'S NUMBER FOUR. NUMBER 6.4.
>> OKAY. THAT PROBABLY MEANS WE CROSSED IT OUT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT THAT WAS ON HOLD PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE ON THE TAX IT HAD.
WHAT WAS THE LEGISLATION THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE?
>> YES. THAT WAS BACK WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH BRITAIN, PREVALENT AND [INAUDIBLE] WE COME UP WITH THE 3A AGREEMENT BUT WE WEREN'T EXECUTING THEM AT A TIME AT THAT TIME.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE NEED TO REMOVE IT DON'T HOLD ON THAT IT LOOKS LIKE [OVERLAPPING]
>> CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT A 380 AGREEMENT IS SO THAT THOSE LISTENING UNDERSTAND.
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>> IT IS A TYPE OF INCENTIVE AGREEMENT THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO A DEVELOPER, BUT IT'S VERY BROAD IN NATURE.
YOU CAN OUTLINE WHETHER YOU WANT TO REBATE ANY AD VALOREM TAX, ANY SALES TAX, FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS, THE CITY CAN REALLY BUILD WHAT IT WANTS TO, SO IT DOESN'T BOX YOU IN.
SPECIFICALLY, LIKE OTHER TYPES OF INCENTIVES THAT MAKE SENSE, [OVERLAPPING].
>> THAT'S OUR IMPROVEMENTS ABOVE THE EXISTING TAX.
>> IT'S ON THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 380, WITH CITY [INAUDIBLE] CONTRACT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND CAN USE DIFFERENT VARIETY OF FINANCE.
>> I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS GOOD TO DESCRIBE IT FOR THE PUBLIC.
>> ON IDEA, I DO HAVE ONE LAST ONE ON PAGE, FIVE OR SIX MICHELLE, UNDER MARITIME SECRET, IT'S UNDER PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL CRUISE TERMINALS.
I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE CARGO FACILITIES THERE ALSO.
WE NEED TO DIVERSIFY AND MAINTAIN THE DIVERSIFICATION SUPPORT.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT TYPE OF EMPHASIS FOR CARGO ANYWHERE ELSE ON THIS MARITIME LIST, I HAVE OVERLOOKED IT BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT TOO.
WORK WITH THE SUPPORT ON THAT.
>> YES, BECAUSE IT SHOULD FALL WITHIN ONE FORCE TALKS ABOUT MULTI-MODAL WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP HERE UNDER THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENTS.
>> SO AS THAT ELLEN JANE, ONE NUMBER OF PARTNERSHIPS IS THAT COVERED IN HERE UNDER, I MEAN I SHOULD PROBABLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE THE DIFFERENTIAL THAT WE CAN DO IN TAX REVENUE, THAT WOULD BE IT.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IT HERE, WE'RE SURE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR YEARS AND MAYBE THIS WILL COME TO FRUITION, IN OUR TIME IS THAT WORKING WITH THE PORT OF HOUSTON ON THAT LAND IN PELICAN ISLAND.
>> THAT'S 1200 OR 1100 ACRES OVER THERE [OVERLAPPING] AND WE NEED TO REALLY GIVE SOME HONEST DISCUSSIONS GOING ALONG WITH PORT HOUSTON, EITHER LEASING PROPERTY FROM THEM BUYING THAT PROPERTY BACK, OR PARTNERING WITH THEM ON DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW THE PORT IS STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT BUT I THINK THE CITY COULD BRING IN EMPHASIS ON THAT ALSO.
>> YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, I READ IN THE ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER ABOUT THE BRIDGE THAT THE COUNTY IS PULLING OUT.
WHY WAS THAT DONE? WHY ARE THEY PULLING OUT? IS IT THE CITY'S FAULT?, COUNTY'S FAULT?, OR WHOEVER'S FAULT TEXT DOT I MEAN YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE A STORM, THAT BRIDGE IS GOING TO BE WIPED OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A CONTINGENCY PLAN ON HOW TO GET PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH ON THOSE BUSINESSES ACROSS ON THE OUT.
IS THERE A CONTINGENCY PLAN? ARE WE GOING TO INCORPORATE WITH TEXT DOT TO USE THE BIRD LANDING TO BUILD A SHORT-TERM FACILITY TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT HAS ALL THAT BEEN LOOKED INTO?
>> BILL, I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THE PELICAN ISLAND AND BRIDGE SITUATION.
THE COUNTY PROPOSED THE FUNDING IS THERE, BUT THE COUNTY HAS PROPOSED A PROPER CONCEPT OF FUNDING COST OVERRUNS THAT INVOLVES AN OPEN-ENDED COMMITMENT FROM THE PARTNERS, INCLUDING THE CITY OF [OVERLAPPING] TO COST OVERRUN? YES, IT WOULD BE BASED UPON OUR PRO RATA SHARE OF PUT OUR INITIAL INVESTMENT IS, THE CONCERN IS THAT IT WAS AN OPEN-ENDED DOCUMENT THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THOSE COST OVERRUNS WOULD BE WHEN WE COMMITTED OURSELVES TO SAY OUR PORTION IS SIX OR SEVEN PERCENT OF THE TOTAL.
WE WOULD KNOW, IF IT WAS 27, 20 MILLION OR IF IT WAS 50 MILLION, OR IF IT'S 10 MILLION, AND TO SUBJECT THIS CITY TO THAT, THAT WAS A QUESTION WE HAD WITH THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT TOOK TALK TO KIM CLARK ABOUT IT THAT EVENING.
THEY MET, AND THEY ARE KEEPING THEIR MONEY INTO IT, AND THEY'RE KEEPING THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR SERVICES TO ADMINISTER
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THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE UP TO THE COMPLETION DATE IN IT, BUT THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE EXPENDED A LOT OF ENERGY, AND THEY STILL FEEL THAT THEY NEED SOMEBODY ELSE TO STEP FORWARD, AND MAYBE TAKE THAT BALL AND RUN WITH IT.IN RESPONSE TO THAT, AND FROM MY CONVERSATION WITH KEN CLARK, TALKED WITH TEXT DOT, WE TALKED LAST NIGHT.
THERE IS GOING TO BE POSSIBLY A BETTER WAY OF FUNDING THESE COST OVERRUNS.
THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNSEL COMING UP HERE VERY QUICKLY FOR YOUR INPUT ON THAT, AND IT COULD BE THAT IF WE GET THESE COST OVERRUNS HANDLED, EVERYTHING'S READY TO MOVE FORWARD.
THAT'S COMING TO A HEAD IN A WEIRD WAY WITH THE COUNTY SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO PULL OUT THEIR ENERGIES TO TRY TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
IT'S CONSTANT TO TAKE A SPRING [NOISE] STEP FORWARD.
I THINK COUNSEL, IF IT TURNS OUT TODAY, I THINK COUNSEL MAY BE PLEASED WITH HOW THIS IS A BONDING BILL CITY.
>> YOU THINK YOU'D BE READY TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THAT NEXT MEETING?
>> YES. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
I THINK WE WILL HAVE EVERYTHING, HOPEFULLY.
NOTE DOWN TO GIVE YOU A GREAT UPDATE WITH SPECIFICS IN NEXT MEETING [INAUDIBLE].
>> I AM GOING TO ASK YOU THIS OTHER QUESTION.
IS THAT JUST GOING TO BE A VEHICULAR TYPES BRIDGE OR IT'S GOING TO BE A RAIL SYSTEM ALSO?.
>> THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WITHOUT A RAIL SYSTEM TO ME IS GOING TO BE LIMITED, WHAT YOU CAN DO THERE.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A RAIL SYSTEM OR IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, IT'S NOT GOING TO EXPAND, IT'S NOT GOING TO GROW.
TO PUT TRANSFER OVER FROM THE MAIN ISLAND TO PELICAN ISLAND, WE NEED THAT SO WE CAN MOVE BIG INDUSTRY OVER THEIR SHIPPING.
LAST TIME I SEEN NAVIGATION DISTRICT, BUT THIS WAS A PROPOSAL BY THE PORT OF HOUSTON.
ARE WE GOING TO PUT THREE ELEMENTS IN THERE, BUT I THINK THEY WERE CONSIDERED A RAIL SYSTEM, BUT TO ME TO INVEST IN A RAIL SYSTEM IS THE WAY TO GO.
I'LL THINK IT'LL PAY FOR ITSELF IN THE LONG RUN.
>> YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE VEHICULAR ACCESS THOUGH, AND THE TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE RAIL SYSTEMS IS CRITICAL OVER THERE, BUT THE COST OF IT COULD BE MULTIPLES OF THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> LOCATION CAPITAL EXPENSE PLUS THE RATE OF RETURN.
>> THERE ARE TWO [INAUDIBLE] THERE ARE TWO PRIVATE COMPANIES THAT HAVE APPROACHED THE PORT ABOUT DOING A RAIL SYSTEM OVER THERE.
I'M NOT SURE THE DETAILS, AND HOW SERIOUS THESE COMPANIES ARE, BUT THERE IS A PRIVATE INDUSTRY STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT.
>> YEAH, ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROWTH, I SEE A LOT WITH THIS GALVESTON VISION.
WHAT ARE THEIR ROLES AND WHAT ARE THEIR OBJECTIVES?
>> WELL, THROUGHOUT THIS, THERE MAY BE PIECES OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH VISION GALVESTON WOULD TAKE A ROLE.
WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. I'VE ACTUALLY [OVERLAPPING].
>> DO YOU HAVE EXAMPLES WHAT THEY GOING TO BE DOING?
>> I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND BRINGING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THEY CAN POTENTIALLY FORM LAND BANK, THEY COULD PROVIDE SOME HOUSING.
>> THEY'RE PROVIDING DESIGN SERVICES ON A COUPLE OF PARKS RIGHT NOW.
>> BY BRINGING IN SOME PHILANTHROPIC MONEY?
>> WE'RE PAYING THEM, THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY.
>> THEY'RE PUTTING A PORTION OF MONEY IN THERE.
>> PORTION. BUT WE'RE ALSO PAYING A PORTION.
>> THEY'RE PUTTING THE MAJORITY OF IT.
>> WE PUT IN NICKEL AND A QUARTER OF IT. [NOISE]
>> THE MAJORITY OF THE MONEY FOR WHAT?
>> I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE WHAT DO THEY DO.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT, WHAT ARE THEY PROPOSING OTHER THAN, YEAH, WE GAVE THEM WHAT, $20,000 TO LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL OF THESE TWO PARKS? SO THAT'S ONE ASPECT, I THINK THE CITY COULD HAVE DONE THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THEY PROVIDING FOR THE CITY AS FAR AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IS IT BUSINESS?
>> WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
I THINK THEY MAY BE FOCUSING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE COMMUNITY ASPECT [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE ARE INITIATIVES IN GREEN, SO THAT IS RELYING ON IMPROVING THE PARKS AND GREEN SPACES ON THE ISLAND.
THEY HAVE AN INITIATIVE BUILD GALVESTON, WHICH IS GOING TO ADDRESS, I'M ASSUMING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
>> WELL, THAT SHOULD BE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
>> GALVESTON IS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
>> OKAY, SO WHY ARE WE FUNDING FOR THAT? [OVERLAPPING] WHAT I'M SAYING IS THEY WANT TO FIND PLACES TO BUILD AROUND PARKS, AREN'T THEY? [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
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>> [OVERLAPPING] THEY'VE TAKEN TWO PARKS THAT HAD BEEN SITTING DESOLATE.
JONES PARK AND SHIELD PARK OVER ACROSS FROM [INAUDIBLE].
>> THE CITY HAS BEEN WANTING TO UPDATE THOSE PARKS AND IMPROVE THEM.
THE FIRST STEP IS DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH SOME DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES ON THOSE LANDS, AND SO VISION GALVESTON SAID, "IF THE CITY'S GOING TO DO THAT, WE'LL FUND THREE FOURTHS OF THOSE ACTIVITIES.
IF THE CITY WOULD PICK UP A FOURTH THAT'S WHAT IDC DID".
THEY'RE DOING ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES OVER AT SHIELD PARK AND DESIGN STUDIES AND ARCHITECTURAL FOR JONES AND SHIELD.
>> THE CITY CAN'T FIND FUNDING AS FAR AS GRANT MONIES TO DO THAT? I'M JUST ASKING. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WE'RE GETTING GRANT MONEYS FROM THEM?
>> IT'S PHILANTHROPIC, THEY'RE FUNDING [OVERLAPPING]
>> THEY'RE PAYING 75 PERCENT OF IT.
I CONSIDER THAT A GRANT FROM THEM PAYING 75 PERCENT OF IT.
>> I CAN'T SPEAK FOR VISION GALVESTON, BUT I THINK THEY'RE PREPARED IF IT MOVES FORWARD, AND WE WANT TO GO INTO A CONSTRUCTION PHASE, AND POSSIBLY PICKING UP A PORTION OF ALL THAT CONSTRUCTION PHASE TOO.
>> [OVERLAPPING] FOR PARKS AND IMPROVEMENTS.
FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE PARK.
THEY HAVE A COMPONENT OF AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE HOUSING.
BRIAN COULD TALK TO THAT MORE BECAUSE THAT'S CALLED BUILD GALVESTON.
THEIR COMMITTEE OF IT WORKING WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY WERE GOING TO BRING SUGGESTIONS FORWARD, POSSIBLY TO THE RDA, INTO COUNCIL.
>> WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECTION 8 TYPE HOUSING OR WHAT?
>> IT WOULD BE WORKFORCE; TEACHERS, FIREMEN, THE POLICE.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE MARKET GOING RATE TO BUY A HOUSE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S NOT DEVELOPED, WE'RE NOT IN ANY AGREEMENT WITH THEM ON THIS RIGHT NOW.
>> THAT'S FUTURE, IF THAT BEST COMES UP, IF THEY BRING SOMETHING BACK, THAT IT'S NOT.
>> IT'S NOT OUT BUT IT'S FUTURE.
>> WELL, THEY HAVEN'T BROUGHT ANYTHING FORWARD TO THE CITY.
>> THEY MAY IN THE FUTURE, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM.
>> AGAIN, WITH THESE GOALS, THERE ARE SOME OF THE GOALS IN HERE THAT YOU THINK ARE GOOD FOR THE CITY, BUT THE CITY MAY NOT BE THE LEADER, EVEN VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN AND THEN JUST SUPPORTIVE.
WE'LL LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE AND MENTION THAT [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE [INAUDIBLE] VISION GALVESTON PRESENTED US IN APRIL, I THINK A LIST OF HOUSING IDEAS.
WHERE DOES THAT REALLY FIT IN ON THIS MATRIX AS FAR AS THE CITY WORKING WITH VISION GALVESTON AND THAT NOWHERE IN THE EMPHASIS OF IT.
BUT, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THIS MATRIX WITH THOSE IDEAS?
>> PART OF THAT IS DETERMINING WITH YOU ALL, HOW MUCH WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT. THAT'S PART OF WHAT [INAUDIBLE]
>> GET DIRECTION FROM [OVERLAPPING].
>> A LOT OF THOSE IDEAS, I LIKE THEM.
THERE'S A LOT MORE ACROSS THE STATE AND I THINK COULD BE USEFUL IN GALVESTON. LET'S JUST [INAUDIBLE]
>> IS THIS GOING TO BE PATTERNED AFTER THE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT ON 33RD STREET, RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE OLD [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT WAS GALVESTON HOUSING FINANCE COOPERATION.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT VISION GALVESTON'S PLANS ARE AT THIS POINT.
>> BECAUSE I DO KNOW AT ONE TIME IT WAS THE SAME THING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FIRE, FOR POLICE.
THEY COULD HARDLY FIND ANYONE TO FILL THOSE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET THE LOANS FORM. THAT WAS ONE THING.
>> WHERE IS THIS IN THE MATRIX, WHICH ONE IS IT?
IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND]. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I SAY THE HOUSING GALVESTON IS STILL OUT. [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME DEVELOPERS THAT ARE COMING IN NOW AND LOOKING AT BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHERE WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO LOOK IN THAT DIRECTION.
BECAUSE PEOPLE SEE THE NEED AND THEY SEE HOW HOT THE AREA IS AND WE HAVE GROUPS IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
>> WELL, IN TODAY'S ECONOMY IT COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE.
>> THERE'S A PROJECT GETTING READY TO START UP OVER THE YATCH BASIN.
NOW DON'T MAKE A PRICE POINT AT THIS POINT.
>> TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY UNITS.
>> THAT'S BEING [INAUDIBLE] IN IT.
>> WELL, IT'S ON SOMETHING LIKE [INAUDIBLE]
>> MARKET BY DEPARTMENTS. YES.
>> ANY OTHER INPUT FOR MICHELLE?
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>> I'LL GO THEN I'LL TURN THE AIR CONDITIONING DOWN A LITTLE MORE.
>> I PROMISE YOU'D LIKE ON THAT, SURE.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING IN EARLY PAGES AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TARGETING MARKETING CAMPAIGNS AND, COVER YOUR EARS CARRIE, LOOKING AT THE DAILY NEWS I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A LOCAL PAPER AND WHAT NOT, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT ATTRACTS SOUTHSIDE DEVELOPMENT.
MEDIA, HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY NUMBERS ON?
>> I'M WORKING ON GETTING SOME METRICS FOR YOU ALL, HOPEFULLY.
>> [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW, HOW YOU LISTEN TO IHEART RADIO.
DOES ANYBODY HERE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> IHEART RADIO AND THESE OTHER CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY, [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WONDER HOW BIG THEIR AUDIENCE IS. I [OVERLAPPING]
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT FINDER WITH ME, BUT I DO HAVE ALL THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE IT WOULD BE INTERESTING.
BECAUSE I THINK A TARGET THAT WE MISS AND I KNOW WITH IDC YOU COULD USE 10 PERCENT OF YOUR BUDGET FOR MARKETING.
I MEAN, THAT WAS MY EDGE WHEN I HAVE MY ADVERTISING COMPANY.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PARK BOARD MISSES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE FOR ADVERTISING ON THESE ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS AND INTERCONTINENTAL AIRPORT.
WHERE YOU SEE CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND YOU'VE GOT A GOOD TRENDS OF PEOPLE, AS PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING AND CEOS, IT'S VISITORS, IT'S WHAT NOT, AND THEY HAVE AN ELECTRONIC BILLBOARD ARE A HECK OF A LOT CHEAPER THAN PAPER BILLBOARDS.
YOU CAN'T HELP BUT READ THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE TO DO ON AIRPORT, WHAT THE HECK ELSE YOU HAVE TO DO? ON A BEAUTIFUL BEACH SCENE, CATCHES YOUR EYE OR PORT A PICTURE FOR A PORT, WHAT COULD BE DONE THERE? I'VE JUST THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO, [BACKGROUND] BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF AUDIENCE WE'D WANT TO ATTRACT.
THERE'S BEEN STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVER THE YEARS THAT SO MANY TIMES IT'S A PLACE, A CEO VISITS A PLACE ON VACATION AND THAT'S WHERE THEY DECIDE TO MOVE AN OFFICE OR TO MOVE ON THE LOCATION.
YEAH. ACTUALLY, YEAH HAVE HEARD THAT A NUMBER OF TIMES.
I KNOW THAT HEART WARHEADS HAVE SOME CAMPAIGNS FROM THE AIRPORTS [OVERLAPPING] BUT WE'D HAVE TO GET PRETTY SPECIFIC ON TO MAKE SURE WE ARE HITTING PRIMARY JOBS AND SOMETHING OF A QUARTER.
IT CAN'T BE LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK BECAUSE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THAT FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BLOW YOUR FACTORY IF WE WERE CHECKING INTO.
>> WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. [OVERLAPPING] CAMPAIGNS.
>> BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO THINK BEYOND AND IT WOULD BE CURIOUS TO GET THE MATRIX ON THE RADIO STATIONS.
>> ANYTHING ELSE FROM [INAUDIBLE] ?
>> I HAVE TO, I WAS MORE FOCUSED ON THE BUDGET THAN I HAVE [LAUGHTER] ON ECONOMIC INVOLVEMENT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] I'M NOT LOOKING FOR ACTION TODAY I'M LOOKING FOR INPUTS.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING IF YOU GET LATER ON AND YOU WANT TO SEND ME SOMETHING, ABSOLUTELY.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION WHICH I SEE A LAND BANK TERM THROWN AROUND A LOT.
THEN INVENTIONS, MAYBE ACQUIRING MORE LAND FOR THAT BANK AND YOU'VE GOT THE CITY OR THE LAND TO PICK, BUT DO WE HAVE A MAP, I'M SURE WE DO, A MAP OF OUR CURRENT LAND THAT WE DO HAVE FOR THE CITY?
>> I KNOW THAT THERE IS A GIS THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER IS A FEW YEARS AGO.
WITH THAT, I'M SURE I CAN CHECK [OVERLAPPING] GIS SCAVENGER TO GET THAT.
>> WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND BANK [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT CAN FALL UNDER, [INAUDIBLE] ARE YOU [INAUDIBLE]
>> ARE WE LOOKING AT IT AS PART OF THIS? LIKE I WAS LOOKING AT NUMBERS ON HOUSING AND BECAUSE I REALLY THINK LIKE I LIVE
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IN FEAR RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THESE BIG BUCKS COMPANIES COMING IN AND OFFERING UNGODLY SUMS OF MONEY AND BUYING OUR PROPERTY RIGHT AND LEFT THAT OUR ISLAND IS GOING TO SLOWLY BE TAKEN OVER.I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENING FASTER THAN WE IMAGINE.
THERE WAS A NUMBER I'M TRYING TO GET WHERE WE SOURCE IT, MILES.
WHY AM I FORGETTING HIS LAST NAME? [NOISE]
>> MILES SHELDON GAVE YESTERDAY AND THAT IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS AT 1,000 HOUSES HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO RENTAL PROPERTIES.
THAT IS FRIGHTENING AND I'M TRYING TO GET WHAT HIS SOURCE WAS.
BUT WE ARE BEING TARGETED RIGHT NOW SO HARD BY THESE COMPANIES SENDING OUT THESE HANDWRITTEN LETTERS AND THEY'RE BEING SUCCESSFUL AND BUYING OUT OUR PROPERTIES.
I PULLED UP FROM THAT WHAT CENSUS NUMBERS ARE AVAILABLE.
HOW MANY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS WE HAVE AND IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 9,000.
HOW MANY ARE SINGLE-FAMILY THAT ARE RENTED? THAT WAS LIKE 1,000 SOMETHING.
BUT THEN HOW MANY ABANDONED SINGLE FAMILIES? THAT WAS CLOSE TO 1,000.
THAT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE, AND I CAN SEND YOU OVER THE NUMBERS.
>> I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF THAT DATA.
ALTHOUGH I THINK WITH THIS NEW CENSUS WHEN THOSE NUMBERS GET RELEASED IN OCTOBER, THE MORE DETAILS, THAT MAY CHANGE. [OVERLAPPING].
>> TODAY, YOU WERE JUST SAYING THAT WE MIGHT GET THEM [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME PRELIMINARY DATA IS THAT RIGHT, DON, FROM THE CENSUS? THE CENSUS.
>> THAT SHOULD COME OUT TODAY.
[NOISE] NOW THEY'VE PROMISED US BEFORE.
>> IS THAT THE TOTAL POPULATION DATA?
>> WE MAY GET INTO [NOISE] MORE SPECIFICS LATER.
>> I THINK IN OCTOBER IS WHERE I SAW A LITTLE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION, BUT I DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION OF THE HOUSE AND EVERYTHING.
>> BUT I MEAN WHEN MILES SHELDON THREW OUT THAT NUMBER, THAT'S A STAGGERING I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY STAGGERING AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU GET THE SAME LETTERS THAT I'M GETTING.
IT COMES WITH A PICTURE OF YOUR HOUSE, IT'S HANDWRITTEN.
YOU HAVE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
WE'LL OFFER YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT IN CASH BECAUSE WE THINK, PEOPLE ARE GETTING SUCKED INTO THAT.
SADLY, MOST OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE WORKING ON DEEP RESTRICTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT IT'S HAPPENING REALLY QUICKLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE ISLAND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET A GRAB HOLD ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S REALLY FRIGHTENING.
>> BUT I THINK MARIA'S PROBLEM IS, IT'S BUSINESS.
>> I KNOW IT'S [OVERLAPPING] BUSINESS.
>> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO STOP IT? YOU CAN'T.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THESE GALVESTON VISION WHERE THEY ARE BUYING PROPERTIES TO DEVELOP BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH BUSINESS TO TAKE OVER THOSE PROPERTIES.
>> THERE'S NO PLAN, THAT I'VE SEEN WHERE THEY'RE BUYING PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
[OVERLAPPING] BUT I UNDERSTAND.
>> I THINK AS FAR AS THE STOPPING IT, IT'S A LOT EASIER ON THE OTHER SIDE MAYBE ON OUR PART TO INCENTIVIZE IT.
HOW CAN YOU INCENTIVIZE HOME-OWNERSHIP ON THE EASTERN AND THINGS LIKE THAT?
>> WHEN WE HAVE AN ARTICLE COME OUT IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE OUR FEES ON OUR RESIDENTS.
THEN WE HAVE THESE GUYS ON THE OTHER SIDE SAYING, I'LL PAY YOU WHATEVER YOU WANT IN CASH FOR YOUR HOUSE.
THE MORE FEES YOU CHARGE, THE MORE HOUSES ARE GOING TO GO BECAUSE IT'S JUST A REALITY OF IT.
>> VERY GOOD. ANY MORE INPUT FOR MICHELLE.
>> THANK YOU, MICHELLE. [OVERLAPPING] I APPRECIATE IT.
COUNCIL, I'M KIND OF REMISS WANT TO JUST GET GUIDANCE FROM YOU SO I DON'T REALLY THINK SANITATION FEES AND TAP FEES.
DID YOU WANT TO GET BACK INTO THIS DISCUSSION OR DO IT THIS AFTERNOON AT THE REGULAR MEETING?
>> THESE ARE JUST NUMBERS OF NUMBERS COME IN FROM DEMONSTRATION, RIGHT?
>> I'M GOING TO [OVERLAPPING] IT IN THE REGULAR MEETING.
>> LET'S MOVE ON, ITEM 3D, PLEASE JANELLE.
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>> 3D, DISCUSSION OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON, TEXAS,
[3D. Discussion Of An Ordinance Of The City Of Galveston, Texas, Amending "The Code Of The City Of Galveston 1982, As Amended”, By Adding Chapter 27 To Read As, “Master Planned Community”; To Provide Definitions And Regulations Related Thereto; Making Various Findings And Provisions Related To The Subject; And Providing For An Effective Date (Planning/Legal)]
AMENDING THE CODE OF THE CITY OF GALVESTON OF 1982 WAS AMENDED FOR HAVING CHAPTER 27 TO READ AS MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE DEFINITIONS AND REGULATIONS PROVIDED THERE TOO.MAKING VARIOUS FINDINGS DEPOSITIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> THANK YOU, MICHELLE. THIS IS BROUGHT TO US BY LEGAL.
THIS WAS THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL HAD GIVEN LEGAL AT OUR LAST MEETING TO GET SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, DON, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE IT INPUT?
>> ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO DONNA.
DONNA AND TIM DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
I DON'T WANT TO STEAL HER THUNDER.
>>DONNA AGAIN [OVERLAPPING] PLEASE.
>> DONNA, WON'T YOU COME ON UP OVER HERE, SO PEOPLE CAN HEAR YOU THERE?
>> I MIGHT POINT IT OUT, THIS WAS REQUIRED BECAUSE HE [OVERLAPPING] WANTED TO MAKE SOME EXCEPTIONS, [INAUDIBLE] COORDINATES FOR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES AND WE DIDN'T REALIZE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE IT HAVE A FIRM HANDLE ON WHAT THEY WERE SO DONNA AND TIM WORKED OUT GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY COULD CONSIST OF.
>> KIM, DO YOU NEED TO BE UP HERE OR IS JUST DONNA GOING TO BE DOING THIS? [OVERLAPPING]
>>THERE YOU ARE TIM, THANK YOU.
>> GO RIGHT AHEAD, DONNA. I'M SORRY, [OVERLAPPING].
>>TIM. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.
YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED IN YOUR PACKETS MAY BE ACTUALLY TWO VERSIONS OF THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY DOCUMENT, BUT I'LL BE FOCUSING ON THE SECOND DOCUMENT.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NEEDED TO COME UP WITH A DEFINITION FOR A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
IN SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT, WE'VE DISCOVERED AND WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE BASIC DESCRIPTORS OF A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, ARE COMMUNITIES THAT OFFER SPECIFIC AMENITIES, NON-RESIDENTIAL USE AMENITIES, PLATTED, THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION OR AS WE CALL IT, A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION MANDATORY DUES AND FEES FOR THOSE ASSOCIATION AND OF COURSE, THE HOA WOULD HAVE OWNERSHIP OF SOME OF THOSE COMMON AMENITIES IN THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THE RESEARCH AND LOOKING AT THE LAWS THAT WERE ABLE TO FIND, AND WE'VE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THAT THERE REALLY WASN'T A DEFINITION OF MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, SO IT'S A REAL ESTATE TERM OF ART, IF YOU WILL.
WE CAME UP WITH THIS DOCUMENT AND IT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT AND REVISED IN CERTAIN ASPECTS AND SO WE'RE JUST HERE FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON IT.
TIM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT?
>> NOW, WE HAVE TO GUIDE YOU, COUNSEL.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON OUR AFTERNOON AGENDA, ITEM 9D THAT WOULD ADDRESS GOLF CARTS FUNCTIONING IN A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IN THE 909E, ACTUALLY IDENTIFYING AND APPROVING THE DEFINITION OF A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
THOSE ARE TWO ITEMS ON OUR AFTERNOON AGENDA.
LET'S OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION, DAVID.
>> NECESSARILY WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THOSE TWO ITEMS BECAUSE THE WHOLE EFFORT HERE TO DEFINE A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WAS FOR THE JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXEMPTING CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE CITY FROM GOLF CART RULES.
I'M JUST HAVE TO SAY, NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. I'M GOING TO BE A NO VOTE ON BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT TOO, JUST WANT TO DRIVE THEIR GOLF CART AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
THEY DON'T GET MORE THAN TWO MILES FROM THEIR HOUSE.
I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND I KNOW WE TASKED YOU WITH DOING THIS LAST TIME, BUT TO CREATE SUBDIVISIONS OF THE CITY CALLED A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE GUY FROM DPS WHO CAME DOWN.
>> NO, BUT I TRIED TO GLEAN SOME INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEAR IS THAT HE SAID THAT THERE ARE NO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES LIKE GALVESTON.
>> TO MIMIC WHAT SHE SAID, THAT'S TRUE.
IT'S A MORE OR LESS A REAL ESTATE TYPE TERMS. SHE SAID A REAL ESTATE TERM OF ART, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY, SO WE HAVE TO CREATE THEM IN ORDER TO DO THIS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE CONTORTING ONE THING TO FIX ANOTHER PROBLEM WE DON'T REALLY HAVE.
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LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO OPPOSE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. WE DON'T NEED A DEFINITION OF MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, WE DON'T NEED TO MESS WITH THE GOLF CART ORDINATES.WE HAVE A GOLF CART ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS NOW.
LIKE I SAID THERE ARE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT TOO, JUST WANT TO DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
I DON'T APPROVE OF THE NOTION OF PROVIDING THE ISLAND AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES BECAUSE YOU LIVE WAY OUT THERE.
THAT'S ALL MY STATEMENT AND I'M OPPOSED TO THE BOTH OF THESE NOTIONS.
>> ONE, THERE IS A DEFINITION, THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY THAT WAS DEFINED IN 2012 BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND REFERENCE THE GOLF CART.
>> CLEARLY IT DOESN'T APPLY HERE.
>> EXCUSE ME. YOU ACTUALLY DO HAVE A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IN YOUR DISTRICT, WHETHER YOU'RE AWARE OF IT OR NOT.
BUT BEACH DOWN IS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
>> ACCORDING TO WHOSE REALTOR?
>> REALTOR? [OVERLAPPING] ACCORDING TO THE LAW, AS IT WAS DEFINED IN 2012 BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AS IT REFERS TO GOLF CARTS.
THIS IS NOT MAKING AN EAST OR WEST SIDE.
THERE ARE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES THAT WERE [NOISE] OUT THERE.
ONE WOULD BE PIRATES BEACH WAS DEVELOPED AS A MASTER PLAN, CIO AS THE MASTER PLAN.
BUT IN THE TERMS OF MASTER PLAN, AS IT IS DEFINED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND REFERENCE TO GOLF CARTS.
THERE IS A DEFINITION AND THAT DEFINITION IS A PLATTED PIECE OF LAND THAT HAS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OR SAFER ASSOCIATION THAT REQUIRES MANDATORY ATTENDED, THAT OWNS COMMON PROPERTY, AT LEAST TWO PIECES OF COMMON PROPERTY, AND THAT FITS ON THE EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE OR THE ISLAND.
>> YOU AGREE WE DON'T NEED THESE.
>> I AGREED THAT WE DO NEED A DEFINITION OF A MASTER PLAN
>> YOU SAID IT'S IN STATE LAW.
>> IT'S IN THE STATE LAW, BUT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE STATE LAW ON OUR GOLF CART ORDINANCE UNLESS WE HAVE THIS DEFINITION A MASTER PLAN.
I DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, 100 PERCENT.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT THE STATE TROOPER, MR. SERGEANT CLINT WEAKLEY DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
I'M STILL UNDER COMMUNICATION WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SET ONE IN EAST END AND ONE IN WEST END, JUST FADE BACK.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED TO GO TO IT.
THE OTHER STATEMENT IS I'M IN SUPPORT MURRAY ON HER WAY SHE'S READ THAT BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
WE'RE CATERING AS FAR AS BUSINESS IS CONCERNED.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM OUT THERE BASED ON THE INFORMATION I GOT FROM MY SERGEANT WEAKLEY.
>> DON, YOU ATTENDED SERGEANT WEAKLEY'S CLASS, DID YOU?
>> I DID. IT WAS EXTRAORDINARY.
THIS GUY WAS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, VERY ENGAGING, VERY FRIENDLY.
THIS GUY HAS SAW ANGLES THAT A GUY WHO SHOOTS POOL.
HE SAW SUBTLETIES IN THESE STATUTES THAT WERE AMAZING.
>> REALLY. HE COMMENTED THAT [NOISE] WITH THE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I GET THIS WRONG, THERE'S SOME SOME CHANGES THAT WERE MADE FOR GOLF CARTS THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MADE FOR ANY OF THESE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.
HE BASICALLY SAID IN A VERY POLITE WAY THAT I JUST THINK YOU COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB.
HE ANTICIPATES THAT THE LEGISLATURE WILL TAKE THIS BACK UP IN TWO YEARS AND HE HOPES THEY USED THE VERSION OF THE STATUTE THAT HE WROTE.
>> I FIND YOUR COMMENT THAT, APPARENTLY HE DID A VERY GOOD JOB.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT HE REALLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AND THAT HE SYNTHESIZED IT.
BUT I READ THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU BROUGHT BACK TO US FROM THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIMPLIFIED, IT'S SYNTHESIZED IT INTO ONE PLACE, BUT I'M NOT SURE GOOD IT MADE IT.
>> IT IS EXCELLENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ANSWERED A WHOLE OF OUR QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S STILL QUITE COMPLEX.
>> THE WAY THAT TWO ITEMS WE HAVE TO VOTE ON MAYOR THAT DOCUMENT THERE.
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I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU ALL WOULD SUPPORT IT BECAUSE THIS APPLIES TO THE WHOLE ISLAND, THIS ISN'T A EAST VERSUS WEST THING.THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOLF CART AND AN EV AS IT IS COVERED IN THOSE SECTIONS.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING.
THE MORE FEE, THE MORE FINANCIAL BURDEN WE PUT ON OUR CITIZENS, WE'RE FORCING OUR CITIZENS OUT.
IF WE CONTINUE TO JUST KEEP ADDING BURDEN AFTER BURDEN, WE WILL BECOME A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISLAND.
>> WHY WOULD WE LEND IT TO ANYBODY?
>> WHY WOULD WE IMPOSE IT ON ANY OF THEM.
BUT THAT ARGUMENT, WHY EXEMPT JUST MASTER PLAN WHAT YOU CONSIDER MASTER PLAN WANT TO EXEMPT EVERYBODY?
>> BECAUSE GOLF CARTS ARE DRIVING ON MAJOR STREETS.
GOLF CARTS ARE DRIVING ON 20 MILE PER HOUR STREAMS. THEY'RE NOT DRIVING ON THE SEAWALL.
THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND TOWN.
THEY'RE NOT TRAVELING 10 MILES TO GO TO A RESTAURANT.
THEY'RE DRIVING IN NO MORE THAN TWO MILES FROM WHERE THE GOLF CART AND I QUOTE AGAIN, "GOLF CART IS DOMICILED".
>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT INCLUDES MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST USING A RUN AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY'RE NOT GOING FROM MY HOUSE TO CROWBAR WITH.
>> WE'LL HAVE TO REGISTER AND CREATE THIRD NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT REGISTER AS A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
THIS PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO REGISTER AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
>> I GET THAT. YOU'RE SUGGESTING THEY WOULD HAVE THEN DECIDE TO IMPOSE ON THEMSELVES MANDATORY HOA FEE TO BECOME A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM THE COST OF [OVERLAPPING]
>> YOU'RE IMPOSING ON THE PEOPLE WHO'RE IN MY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WHO WERE FOLLOWING THE STATE LAW THAT SAYS THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE EXTRA ITEMS, YOU'RE FINE WITH IMPOSING ON THEM.
>> YOU NEED TO DO TO EVERYBODY OR NOBODY.
>> WELL, THEN HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS APPLY FOR A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
>> THE IMPOSITION ON GOLF CART OWNERS, WE DO IT FOR EVERYBODY OR WE DON'T DO IT FOR ANYBODY.
>> IT'S EITHER A GOLF CART OR IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ELECTRONIC VEHICLE.
BECAUSE A NEIGHBORHOOD ELECTRONIC VEHICLE AND A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY HAS TO HAVE ALL THE EXTRA IDES.
>> WE HAVE SO FEW PRIVATE IN EVS THAT IT'S ALMOST NOT WORTH TALKING.
EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS GOLF CARTS.
>> MOST OF THE VEHICLES IN TOWN AREN'T ANY OF THESE.
>> NO, MOST OF THEM GOT GOLF CARTS, I KNOW IN MY AREA GOT GOLF CARTS.
>> WELL, THEY GO FASTER THAN 20 MILES AN HOUR.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THE GO.
I DON'T KNOW, THEY LOOK LIKE A GOLF CART.
>> THEY SHOWED YOU A PICTURE OF IT.
>> I'VE GOT SOME PICTURE. I READ ALL THAT MATERIALS.
>> WAIT. TRY TO KEEP THE TWO ISSUES SEPARATELY BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES AND GOLF CARTS, BUT THEY ARE RELATED, BUT GET INTO THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, WOULD SOMEWHERE LIKE EVIA CLASSIFY THE MASTER PLAN THAT THEY WANT TO APPLY?
>> I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT EVIA TEAM AS HAVING SOME OF THOSE AMENITIES THAT IT WOULD, EVIA HAS.
>> OKAY. LET'S SAY IF WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE, MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY GOLF CARTS, ALL THAT STUFF, THEY HAVE A GOLF COURSE RIGHT THERE.
COULD THEY TRAVEL WITHIN TWO MILES, BASICALLY IN THAT GOLF COURSE?
>> THEY CAN STILL TRAVEL BETWEEN THE GOLF COURSE AREAS.
I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHEN IT COMES TO, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES LAST TIME, MAYOR, AND TIM, PLEASE CHIME IN.
THE PLATTED AREAS IS WHERE THE GOLF CARTS CAN TRAVEL.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ABILITY TO TRAVEL ON THE HIGHWAYS OR 3005 OR STEWART ROAD.
>> UNLESS IT'S PLATTED WITHIN THE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY.
>> CORRECT. IN THE MASTER-PLAN [OVERLAPPING]
>> LET ME ADD SOMETHING. WITHIN THE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY, THEY CAN OPERATE A GOLF CART AND DON'T NEED THE EXTRA EQUIPMENT SUCH AS THE TURN SIGNAL OR [INAUDIBLE].
ONCE THEY LEAVE THAT MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY, THEY WOULD NEED THAT EQUIPMENT.
>> [OVERLAPPING] GIVE A CITATION.
>> IF SOMEBODY LIVES IN SEATTLE AND THEY CROSS 3005, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SEAT BELT.
>> THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CROSS [OVERLAPPING]
>> AT AN INTERSECTION. THAT'S STATE LAW.
THIS IS THE THING FOR ME ON WEST END.
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IT MAY HAVE CHANGED, BUT WHEN I LIVED DOWN THERE, THESE GOLF CARTS DRIVING TWO MILES AND SO FORTH IS GOING TO A GOLF COURSE OR COMING BACK FROM A GOLF COURSE.THESE CARTS ARE NOT, SOME OF THEM ARE, BUT MAJORITY ARE NOT, AND THEY'RE DRIVING UP AND DOWN STEWART ROAD.
I'VE STATED BEFORE, IF THEY'RE ON A PUBLIC STREET, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME SAFETY EQUIPMENT THAT WE REQUIRE OF ANY GOLF CART THAT'S ON A PUBLIC STREET THROUGHOUT THIS ISLAND.
THE QUESTION BECOMES, IS STEWART ROAD PART OF THIS MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY? [OVERLAPPING] I THINK IT'S NOT.
TIM, STEWART ROAD IS NOT A PLATTED STREET.
>> HERE'S THE MASTER PLAN FROM WHEN IT WAS [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M SORRY. WHEN WE HAVE A SUB-DIVISION OF THE PLATS, IT HAS A PHYSICAL BOUNDARY, AND ALONG WITH THAT PHYSICAL BOUNDARY IS FILED TO THESE RESTRICTIONS THE GOVERNMENT TO GO ALONG WITH IT, THE HOA DOCUMENTS THAT ASSOCIATE WITH THE RESULT AS WELL.
THEY ARE ALL TIED BACK TO THAT PLATTED BOUNDARY.
THERE ARE MANY SUBDIVISIONS THAT PLAT UP TO STEWART ROAD AND 3005, BUT THEY DO NOT INCLUDE THE RIGHT OF WAY IN EITHER OF THOSE ROADS WITHIN THEM.
THEREFORE, IT'S NOT A PART, TECHNICALLY, OF THE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY.
IT'S REALLY A SUB-DIVISION IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> SO FINE. THEN WE KEEP THE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY TO THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE ALLOWED, SAY IF YOU'RE IN [INAUDIBLE], YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CROSS OVER 3005 TO GO TO THE BEACH.
>> THE INPUT I'M GETTING FROM INDIVIDUALS ON WEST END IS THAT I DON'T DRIVE MY GOLF CART THAT FAR, I GO TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE, I GO TO THIS AND THAT.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THE BEACH AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY GOLF.
THEY'RE DRIVING ON PUBLIC ROADS.
>> WELL, THE CONVENIENCE STORE, YOU CROSS OVER AND PULL INTO A PARKING LOT.
>> BUT I THINK THEY NEED TO BE GOING TO A GOLF COURSE OR A BEACH ACCORDING TO STATE LAW.
>> CAN I ASK WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
>> I THINK THE POINT IS THAT WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, THIS IS MY FIELD, WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION BASED ON THE SAFETY ISSUE.
>> WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION BASED UPON WHAT REQUIREMENTS DO WE WANT ON GOLF CARTS THAT ARE ON PUBLIC ROADS, AND I HAVE FELT THAT IF A GOLF CART'S ON A PUBLIC ROAD, NO MATTER IF IT'S ON THE WEST END OR IF IT'S ON THE EAST END, COUNCIL DECIDES WHICH SAFETY EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO BE ON THAT CART.
IT HAS TO BE A UNIFORM BLUE FOR ALL SECTIONS OF THE ISLAND, EAST AND WEST.
THE OTHER ISSUE I HAVE, I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE GOT A MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY IF COUNCIL SUPPORTS THIS, EXEMPTS THEM CERTAIN EQUIPMENT, BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SINGLING OUT AREAS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT DEFINES THEM SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT.
IT DOESN'T DETRACT FROM THE NEED TO HAVING THAT SAFETY EQUIPMENT IF THEY'RE ON PUBLIC ROADS.
>> YES, SIR. YOU WOULD GO AHEAD [INAUDIBLE].
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE DRIVING IN MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITIES OF WHICH THERE ARE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE ISLAND.
THEY'RE JUST NOT IN MY DISTRICT.
AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT DRIVING ON PUBLIC ROADS SUCH AS STEWART ROAD, AND OBVIOUSLY 3005 WOULD BE COMPLETELY ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT'S 45 MILES AN HOUR, SO THAT'S A MOOT POINT.
THEN YOU'RE FINE WITH DEFINING A GOLF CART AS A GOLF CART AS IT'S DEFINED IN STATE LAW IN THE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITIES, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT INVOLVING ROADS LIKE STEWART ROAD.
>> FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I CAN SEE THAT SIDE OF IT, YES.
I STILL HAVE A CONCERN ISOLATING CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE ISLAND JUST BECAUSE WE PUT TOGETHER A MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY DEFINITION.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT SAFETY EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WRESTLING WITH TO BE VERY HONEST.
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THE LAW STATES WHAT YOU NEED IN A MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY OUT IN THE STREET. HERE'S THE LAW.
NOW, YOU CANNOT DETRACT FROM STATE STATUTE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
YOU CANNOT, BUT YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE STRINGENT. CORRECT?
>> UNDER OUR HOME RULE AUTHORITY, THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY. SO GOLF CARTS AS DEFINED BY STATE STATUTE, AND YOU GUYS, I GOT TWO ATTORNEYS HERE, THEY SET THE STANDARD.
THE ONLY THING YOU DON'T NEED ON A GOLF CART IS SAFETY BELTS.
WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT IT ALSO STATES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN A PLANNED COMMUNITY, AND WE CAN SET THAT BASED ON THE LAWS HERE.
IF YOU READ THE HORIZONTAL AND THE VERTICAL, IT TELLS YOU WHAT YOU NEED, YOU NEED INSURANCE, YOU DON'T NEED THIS CERTAIN PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
NOW, IF THEY GET OUT OF THAT MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN COME IN AND CITATE.
THEY KNOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO SET UP SOMETHING WITH THE STATE TROOPERS TO GO TO EAST END.
THEY COULD SPELL IT ALL OUT TO THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, TO THE WEST END, SAME THING, SO THEY KNOW THE LAWS.
IF THEY GET OUT OF A PLANNED COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN 3005, THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.
THEY SHOULD BE PULLED OVER, CITATED, OR CALL THE RECORD SERVICE AND LIFT THEM UP AND TAKE THEM AWAY.
>> THEY'RE IN VIOLATION [OVERLAPPING] IT'S A MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE 3005 AREA.
>> THAT'S IT. I'M JUST MAKING AN EXAMPLE.
>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, JOHN, GO AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL DO DAVID.
>> OKAY. A COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE BECAUSE THIS CONVERSATION FOR THE LAST THREE MEETINGS IS GOING ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. [LAUGHTER]
>> WHAT I HEARD TODAY WAS THAT MOST OF THESE VEHICLES ON THE ISLAND ARE GOLF CARTS.
>> THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] FOR MAKING A GENERALIZATION BECAUSE MOST OF YOUR VEHICLES DOWNTOWN ARE USED ON MAJOR STREETS AND THEY MAY BE MORE CONSIDERED.
THEY MAY ALL LOOK ALIKE, BUT IT'S HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT MAKES A GOLF CART OR [INAUDIBLE] A GOLF CART OR [INAUDIBLE].
>> STREET READY OR NON-STREET READY.
>> WHAT I HEARD TODAY WAS MOST OF THE VEHICLES ON THE ISLAND ARE NOW GOLF CARTS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] LET'S MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION, SO SAY YES.
>> SO THAT REDUCES REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM AUTOMATICALLY, RIGHT?
>> NO. [OVERLAPPING] STATE LAW SAYS [OVERLAPPING]
>> OKAY. [OVERLAPPING] SO IF THEY'RE IN A MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY IN THEIR GOLF CART REDUCES REQUIREMENTS.
>> CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY'RE DRIVING ON ROADS THAT ARE LESS THAN 35 MILES AN HOUR.
STATE LAW PUTS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT UNOPERATED IN A MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY, THE CITY IS ABLE TO PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.
>> OUR DEFINITION OF MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY, IT HAS TO BE PLATTED, SO THINGS LIKE THE PIRATES BEACH AREA, THEY GET ON STEWART, THEY GET ON 11 MILE ROAD.
THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, NOT IN THE MASTER PLAN.
IT'S NOT A PLATTED PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUT THERE.
EITHER ONE THOSE STREETS, THEY NOW HAVE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN OUR GOLF CART ORDINANCE THAT WE PASS.
>> WELL, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN OF REQUIREMENTS [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S NOT HOW THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
>> WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THIS APPROVED AS THE MASTER PLAN, YES, I AM OKAY WITH THAT.
>> BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS DO NOT ACCESS STEWART ROAD.
>> IN THE STATE DEFINITION, A GOLF CART AND A MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY CAN GO TWO MILES TO A GOLF COURSE OR A BEACH.
>> IT'S BEEN [OVERLAPPING] TO FIVE.
THEN IT COULD CROSS OVER 3005 OUTSIDE OF THAT MASTER COMMUNITY TO GO TO THE BEACH.
>> RIGHT. CROSS OVER 3005 TO GO TO THE BEACH.
OUTSIDE OF THE MASTER-PLAN COMMUNITY, CROSS OVER TO 3005 TO GO TO THE BEACH.
>> WHERE THE SPEED LIMIT IS 35 MILES PER HOUR.
>> I THINK I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
>> I'M GLAD YOU DO. [LAUGHTER]
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> ONCE IT GETS OVER [INAUDIBLE].
>> WHAT IF THEY CAN'T FIT IT IN AND THAT'S HOW THEY [INAUDIBLE] REGARDLESS OF THE FIVE MILE ROAD?
>> BECAUSE OUTSIDE, THIS IS FIVE MILES WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.
>> THE TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE, ARE WE SETTLED THAT STEWART ROAD IS NOT INSIDE THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY?
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>> BY THE DEFINITION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY OF A COMMUNITY, STEWART ROAD,, IS NOT INSIDE THE COMMUNITY.
I MENTIONED THIS TO LEGAL, THAT WE NEED TO CLEAR THIS UP AND THIS NEEDS TO BE PROBABLY A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM THAT THERE ARE SIGNS JUST INSIDE OF 11 MILE ROAD THAT SAY THE SPEED LIMIT IS 35 MILES AN HOUR ON STEWART ROAD FROM THERE TO ITS TERMINUS AT THE STATE PARK WHERE IT INTERSECTS 355, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IF YOU READ THE CODE, THE CODE SAYS THE SPEED LIMIT ON STEWART ROAD IS 45 MILES AN HOUR FROM 84 STREET TO THE WESTERN TERMINUS OF THE CITY.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE PRE-1980 LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL AS TRUE.
DID YOU SAY TO ME THAT THE CODE RULES VERSUS WHAT'S ON THE SIGN?
>> I'M FULLY IN FAVOR OF REDUCING IT TO 35 MILES AN HOUR IN THE LAW.
I JUST THINK THAT'S JUST SOME HOUSEKEEPING WE NEED TO CLEAN UP.
>> I THINK WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE SPEED LIMIT LAST COUNCIL, AND THEN THE LAW JUST DIDN'T GET CHANGED.
>> IS THAT RIGHT? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE JUST NEED TO UPDATE MY CODE.
>> RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? MARIA, I'M GOING TO ASK THIS QUESTION. I HATE TO OPEN IT UP.
[NOISE] IS NOT ALLOWING THESE GOLF CARS ON STEWART ROAD, THE 11-MILE ROAD, AND ALL THIS OTHER RUNNING TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE AND OTHER THINGS THEY DO, IF THE COUNCIL DID THAT, DOES THAT SATISFY WHAT WESTERN WANTS? I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT.
I THINK WHAT THEY WANT IS BE ABLE TO DRIVE THESE GOLF CARTS AROUND AS THEY DO ON THE EAST END AND GO TO THIS, AND THAT, AND ALL THAT.
I SPEND ALL MY TIME ON THE EVEN THOUGH I GO INTO TOWN LIKE BARGAINS [INAUDIBLE] BOULEVARD OR WHEREVER AND I DRIVE THE SEAWALL WHERE I SEE SO MANY ILLEGAL THINGS GOING ON WITH GOLF CARTS.
I DO TRULY REGRET THE DAY I EVER TRY TO GET GOLF CARTS OFF, BUT THE MAJORITY OF MY NEIGHBORHOODS WANT TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL WITHIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
>> WELL, WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT PIRATES BEACH.
>> WELL, JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE.
>> PIRATES BEACH, INDIAN BEACH, OR WHATEVER THEY JUST WANT TO TRAVEL.
>> THEY WANT TO TRAVEL ACROSS THE STREET TO THE BEACH, THE MAJORITY.
THE QUESTION THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY WOULD BE PIRATES, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO SEE THE MASTER PLAN, I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, TO GET THIS MASTER PLAN AND TO GET THE DEFINITION INTO LAW.
THEY WILL ADDRESS HOW THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THE THING.
EVERYONE IS MORE INTERESTED IN THE COMMON GOOD AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE GO FROM THE MASTER PLAN TO THE BEACH, DRIVE IN THEIR MASTER PLAN TO GET THEIR MAIL, OR DRIVING THEIR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE PERSON THAT LIVES IN PIRATES' COVE, ONCE THEY GET OUT ON 12 MILE OR STEWART, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ALL THE SAFETY EQUIPMENT THAT ANY OTHER CAR WOULD IN TOWN.
>> THEY'LL TAKE A CHANCE OR THEY'LL ADDRESS THAT.
>> AS LONG AS EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON IT.
>> ACTUALLY PIRATES COVE, YOU CAN ENTER INTO THE GOLF COURSE WITHOUT GOING OUT.
>> YEAH, BUT YOU CAN'T GO TO TREMBLES WITHOUT HAVING ALL THAT EQUIPMENT.
>> CAN'T GO TO THE RESTAURANT WITHOUT THAT.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU-ALL WERE SAYING.
I WANT TO SEE THIS THING PUT TO BED.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE A LAST THING HERE I THINK WE WOULD BE BEATING DEAD HORSE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT MARIA WANTS.
IF THEY GO OUTSIDE THAT PERIMETER, YOU GOT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
[INAUDIBLE] WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE LIGHTS OR WHATEVER AND THEY ARE OUTSIDE THAT PERIMETER, GIVE A CITATION.
THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO, AND THEY WILL STOP.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS IN ON THAT.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW AS THEY'RE BREAKING THE LAW.
>> WELL, THEY BREAK THE LAW THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES.
>> THEY'RE ALL LISTENING RIGHT NOW.
>> WHEN MURRAY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG MURRAY, YOU DIDN'T BRING IT FORWARD WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY COULD NOT DRIVE OLD STEWART, AND 11 MILE, OR 12 MILES OR WHEREVER IT IS AND GO TO TRAVEL.
YOU BROUGHT IT FORWARD WITH THE IDEA TO LET THEM DO THAT. THAT'S A CONCERN.
>> WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
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PIRATES IS ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WEST END.I WORK MY HEART AS FOR EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS AFFECT'S ON MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO I HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, GET THE MASTER PLAN.
IF YOU COULD GET THAT, AND WE CAN GET THAT EXCEPTION MADE, THEN THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE IT INTO THEIR OWN HANDS TO ADDRESS THAT.
>> WELL, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I THINK JOHN IS CORRECT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND.
>> WELL, WE JUST SAID IT TEN TIMES.
I CAN ALSO MAP A PRETTY GOOD COMPREHENSION.
[LAUGHTER] BUT I MEAN, LET'S FACE IT, IS EVERYONE IN THE CITY AWARE THAT THEY HAVE TO WEAR SEAT BELTS ON THE SEAWALL AND THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DRIVE IN THE LEFT LANE?
>> BECAUSE ON MY WAY HERE, I SAW THREE GOLF CARTS DRIVING IN THE LEFT LANE WITHOUT SEAT BELTS ON THAT [INAUDIBLE].
THEY ARE AWARE IF THEY GET CAUGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO GET A TICKET OR MAYBE THEY ARE NOT AWARE, BUT I MEAN, IF THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF GETTING THE ASSUMPTIONS AND A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, THEN I WOULD APPRECIATE IF Y'ALL VOTE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU, MARY. APPRECIATE THAT. YES, MA'AM.
WITH THIS ORDINANCE, THERE IS AN ENFORCEABILITY PROVISION THAT'S BEEN PUT IN.
IF COUNCIL WERE TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE FOR THIS, THE ENFORCEABILITY OF IT WOULD OCCUR 45 DAYS AFTER IT'S BEEN ADOPTED.
THIS WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP AN APPLICATION AND SO THOSE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES THAT THINK THEY ARE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDED DOCUMENTATION AND THEN WE WOULD LIST IT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, BECAUSE AGAIN, ENFORCEABILITY IS ONE OF THE KEY FACTORS IN ALL OF THIS.
ENFORCEMENT OF THE 45 DAYS, IF IT WERE TO BE ADOPTED, BUT THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO [OVERLAPPING] FILL OUT THEIR REQUISITE DOCUMENTATION AND PROVIDE IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL?
>> [OVERLAPPING] THANK YOU. [OVERLAPPING]
[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] WELL,
[3E. Council Updates And Discussion Items (30 Min) 1. License to Use and Trash (Collins/Brown) 2. Drainage Plan (Robb/Brown) 3. Golf Cart Ordinance (Robb/Quiroga)]
WE'RE ON ITEM 3E AND IF YOU COULD READ 3E, PLEASE JANELLE.>> OKAY. 3E, COUNSEL UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ITEM.
ONE, LICENSE TO USE AND TRASH AND TWO, DRAINAGE PLAN AND THREE, VOLT CAR ORDINANCE.
>> COULDN'T WE TAKE THREE OFF, MARY.
>> VOLT CAR ORDINANCE IS SEPARATE FROM.
>> THE STUDENT, FROM FOLKS WHO ARE ON THE GO.
>> I THOUGHT WE HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED AN IMAGE WITH THIS, BUT WE'LL GET TO.
>> I MAY ASK YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THE MASTER PLAN.
COMMUNITY AS IT IS DEFINED AND THE REGULATION THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET.
ALSO TO SUPPORT THE EXCEPTION OF THE CERTAIN EQUIPMENT THEN THAT HAS TO DO WHEN A GOLF CART IS DRIVEN AND A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AND THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE TO APPLY TO THIS CITY TO GET APPROVED, FOLLOWING WHAT TWO COMMON GROUND, SO FORTH AND SO ON.
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE BEACH ARE ALLOWED TO CROSS OVER THREE DOUBLE OF FIVE.
THEN IN OUR SECTION TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THE BEACH.
>> [INAUDIBLE] THERE IS AN ASPECT OF THE GOLF CART COMMANDMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED. AGAIN, THE ISSUE.
WELL, IN THE GOLF CART ORDINANCE OF MEN, WHEN YOU'RE DEFINING GOLF CARTS AS BETTER, THEY HAVE TO BE DRIVEN NO MORE THAN TWO MILES AWAY FROM THE LOCATION WHERE THEY ARE FROM FILE.
BECAUSE IF THEY ARE DRIVEN MORE THAN THREE MILES AWAY FROM WHERE
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THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND IN THAT GOLF CARTS ANYMORE, ANDREW, OUR WITNESS.>> THE BALANCE OR SAY SHOULD BE DRIVEN FOR 25 MILES?
>> SHE SAID I HEARD HER OPINION.
>> THAT IS DEFINITION OF GOLF CART.
I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE ANYWAY.
>>. SURE YOU WANT TO STRIKE THAT OUT.
>> I WOULD RECOMMEND IT, BUT MISRA AND WANTED TO PUT IN, SO IT GOT PUT IN.
>> OH NO BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE INITIAL DEFINITION BY THE STATE WAS, TWO MILES.
>> YOU'RE SAYING JUST THE LEAVE THAT OUT.
[OVERLAPPING] ARE YOU SAYING THEY CAN'T DRIVE ANY MILES OR YOU'RE SAYING TO NOT RESTRICT IT TO TWO MILES.
>. WELL, THEY ARE TRAINED WITH LANDING, [BACKGROUND] YOU WOULD JUST SAY, YOU GO WITH THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE THAT IT'S ASKED TO FIND IN 551-401, [NOISE] OF THE TRANSPORTATION CODE.
>> WHAT IS THAT LANGUAGE? [NOISE].
>> ALL THEY DO IS TAKE THEM IS, BUT TWO MILES PROBABLY, TAKING IT OUT, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> I WOULD SAY COUNCIL IF WE ARE MOTION [INAUDIBLE], I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GO, BUT WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR.
SO EVERYBODY WATCHING FOR THE WEST INJURES WHERE THEY CAN DRIVE THOSE CARS AND WHERE THEY CANNOT.
>> FOR THE EAST AND WEST. [OVERLAPPING].THEY SURPRISED THE ENTIRE ISLAND.
>> MAINLY IT INVOLVES THE WEST DAM WITH AN ASTROLABE.
>> WELL, EXCEPT FOR A BEACH TOWN.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEFINITION.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.
>> OKAY. VERY GOOD. LICENSED TO USE IN TRASH, DAVID.
>> I WOULD LIKE US TO REVISIT BECAUSE THE LICENSE TO USE ATTEMPTS NOT HERE, BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
A LICENSE USE IS THAT A ONETIME FEE.
I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER MAKING THAT AN ANNUAL FEE AND USING BECAUSE WE NEED BETTER GARBAGE MANAGEMENT.
I MEAN, OUR CREWS PICK UP EVERY MORNING NOW THAT WE'VE GONE TO THE PRINCIPAL GETTING BAGS IN CANS DOWNTOWN.
THE PROBLEM ISN'T COMING FROM EVERYONE, THE PROBLEM IS COMING FROM THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ALLOW THE SAME FOOD AND DRINK OUT THE DOOR.
BASICALLY THE ONES THAT PEOPLE SIT ON THE SIDEWALK AND EAT AND DRINK.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE GARBAGE IS COMING FROM.
WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES DOWN THERE WITH PRIVATE BUSINESSES USING THE CITY CANS TO PUT THEIR BUSINESS GARBAGE CAN AND THAT KIND OF THING.
I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE COST OF THAT PRIVILEGE COMMENSURATE WITH THE COST OF CLEANING UP AFTER THEM.
>> I HAD A PROPOSAL TO MAKE THE RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS THAT HAS THE LICENSE TO USE, WHETHER IT'S A TRASHCAN LOCATED, EMPTYING THE TRASH CAN IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
>> BUT WHERE WOULD THEY EMPTY IN? BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE PLACES DON'T HAVE DUMPSTERS.
IF YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A DUMPSTER AND YOU COULD ARGUE THEY HAVE TO PUT TRASHCAN UP FRONT.
THEY HAVE A BAG OF GARBAGE LIKE A RESTAURANT DOES. WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE DUMPSTER.
>> MOST BUSINESSES HAVE IN THEIR ALLIES, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF TRASHCAN.
YEAH. I WOULD SAY YOU MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE, THEY'D HAVE TO SERVICE THAT CAN AND PUT IT THERE. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WOULD BE PERFECTLY WILLING TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.
IT'S NOT DONE WITH ANY MALICIOUS INTENT.
I MEAN, WHEN WE HAVE THINGS LIKE ART WALK, A LOT OF BUSINESSES OPEN UP AND SERVE WINE AND COMPLEMENTARY WON A LOT OF IT.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TRASH CANS.
THE CITY TRASH CANS, THE FEW WE HAVE ARE COMPLETELY OVERLOADED.
THEN BECAUSE WE PICK THE GARBAGE UP IN THE MORNINGS, OVERNIGHT, SOMETIMES THESE CANS GET FULL.
THEY STAY THAT WAY ALL NIGHT, JUST KUDOS TO THE CREWS THAT PICK THEM UP.
I MEAN, THEY ARE THERE OUT THERE EARLY [OVERLAPPING] AND THEY DO THEIR JOB.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET A BANG SUNDAY MORNING AND THERE'S TRASH IN THE GUTTERS AND ALL OVER THE STREETS ON THE SIDEWALKS.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO PUT MORE OF THE OWNERS OF MANAGING THAT PROBLEM ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING THE FOOD AND DRINK ON THE SIDE WALK.
>> I'M GUESSING YOU'RE SPECIFYING THE TYPE OF LTU.
I MEAN, BECAUSE WE GET RANT LTU THROUGHOUT THE CITY, A LOT OF THEM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOD OR DRINK SERVICE OR.
>> YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINTS. VERY GOOD POINT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'D BE WILLING TO JUST TALK ABOUT HOW THIS WORKS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH A SEAWALL, WE MAY, BUT IT'S DISGUISED BY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH OTHER GRAPHIC AND WE HAVE CONTINUAL GARBAGE SERVICE ON THE SEAWALL AND ON THE BEACH AND WE'RE WE'RE TAKING STEPS TO CLEAN THAT UP IN THE POP-UP PARKING LOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT'S THAT?
>> THERE'S A LOT MORE TRASH CAN.
>> MORE AND MORE CANS AT THE BEACH AND THE SOLUTION
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ISN'T JUST PUTTING MORE TRASH CANS OF OUR OWN ON THE STREETS DOWNTOWN.I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO TALK ABOUT OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY, BUT MY CONCERN IS WHAT'S HAPPENING DOWNTOWN.
>> FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS.
ONE, THE COST ADD TO THE LTU IF WE EMPTY THE TRASH CANS AND THEN VICE VERSA, DO WE MAKE IT PART OF THE LTU THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN?
>> I WOULD SAY IF THEY'RE PUTTING FOOD AND DRINK ON THE SIDEWALK, THEY HAVE TO BUY THEIR OWN TRASH SERVICE.
>> I THINK IT'S ALREADY A PROVISION IN OWNING THE PROPERTY.
I MEAN, ONE WANTS TO MAINTAIN TO THEIR CURVE.
>> WELL, RIGHT. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TRASH CANS.
THEY MAY CLEAN UP IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN BUSINESS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TRASH CANS THAT PEOPLE CAN GO PUT THEIR THE CANS AND BOTTLES IN THE CITY TRASH CAN.
THERE'S NO BURDEN ON THE BUSINESS TO CLEAN UP THEIR OWN TRASH IF IT'S NOT ON THE SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING.
IF THEY GOT CITY TRASH CAN IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE SERVE US A LOT OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WITH BY CITY SERVICE.
WE HAVE DUMPSTERS, BUT WE SERVE A LOT OF GROUND [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE SURE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BEER CANS THAT OR LEFTOVER FROM THEIR SERVICE ALL DAY LONG WIND UP IN THEIR DOWNSTREAM.
THEY TEND TO WIND UP IN THE CITY CANS.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A WAY TO TRY TO MODERATE THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF CINDY IS ON THE CALL AND SHE GOT HOME.
IT WOULD BE EASY FOR US TO HAVE CINDY COME BACK AND TELL YOU GUYS THE KIND OF SERVICE CAVES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SCOPE OF A POTENTIAL PROBLEM AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEIR PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND HOW TO DEAL WITH IT.
>. OKAY. BUT I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST OF THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE DOWN THERE.
WE TALK ABOUT BANDING FEES AND SO FORTH.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT, PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT PAYING MORE FOR GARBAGE BECAUSE WE'RE CLEANING UP MORE TOURISTS RASH ON THE STRAND.
>> YEAH. WE SEEM TO BE BENEFITING TOURISTS MORE THAN WE CARE ABOUT OUR CITIZENS. I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DISPARITY IS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT EXISTS BECAUSE WE CHARGE MORE FORWARD DOWN THERE, BUT WE ALSO PROVIDE A LOT MORE SERVICE DOWN THERE.
DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT COULD BE A DISASTER ZONE TOMORROW. WE DID.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE LTU IS GOING TO SOLVE THAT, BUT DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS ON TRUST SERVER STAND THERE BECAUSE SOMEBODY SELLING BEER OUT OF THEIR WINDOW DOESN'T NEED AN LTU.
THEY'RE PROBABLY THE ONES WHO ARE PUTTING LOT IN THE TRASH.
>> MAYBE IT'S JUST BUSINESSES THAT ARE PUTTING FOOD AND DRINK OUT THE DOOR AS OPPOSED TO THE LTU.
>> MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPTION ON HOW TO FUND THAT.
>> SHE CAN TELL US THE ISSUES.
>> BECAUSE YOU'LL SEE THAT I MEAN, GO IN THAT EVEN THEN, LIKE ON A BUSY WEEKEND, JUST WALK DOWN THE STREET WHERE THEY SERVE BEER, FOOD IN MY TRASH CAN.
>> I USE OUR OFFICE AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE YOU GET SOME POP-UP BEER AND WINE WINDOWS DURING THOSE ADVANCES YOU DON'T SEE ON.
>> EVERYBODY STILL [INAUDIBLE] PLASTIC GLASSES.
>> ON THAT QUESTION, THAT TRASH SINCE WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THE INCREASE IN TRASH TODAY.
WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THE INFORMATION.
SOMEONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION NOW BEFORE WE GET INTO THE MEETING, SINCE WE'RE TALKING TRASH.
[LAUGHTER] IS THERE PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE WE DO CURBSIDE RECYCLING?
>> [OVERLAPPING] FOR ILLINOIS ONLY.
>> BUT IT'S ONLY TWICE A MONTH OR SOMETHING; ISN'T IT?
>> [OVERLAPPING] TWICE A MONTH BUT FOR ELDERLY ONLY.
>> BUT ELDERLY ONLY NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE? [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'D HAVE TO DO, [OVERLAPPING] [INAUDIBLE]
>> I DON'T KNOW IF WE GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO. [OVERLAPPING]
>> BECAUSE I HAD NEVER HEARD THAT IN FIVE YEARS.
>> I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYBODY WHO USES IT.
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE ASKED THIS. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ELDERLY?
>> IT'S OVER AND OVER ALL THE TIME.
>> I DID THINK IT GETS YOUNGER AND YOUNGER ALL THE TIME NOW.
BUT WHAT IS CONSIDERED ELDERLY IN OUR WEIGHT [OVERLAPPING]?
>> [BACKGROUND] BASED IT ON THE CARD, IF YOUR PROPERTY TAXES ARE FROZEN AT 65 ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THEN IT'S ELIGIBLE.
>> THEY JUST HAVE TO CALL UP AND THEY REGISTER FOR THAT AND THE COST OF THAT IS COVERED BY THE RECYCLING FEE WE ALL PAY ON OUR TRASH?
>> YEAH, THEY PAY EXTRA FOR THAT.
>> I THINK THEY DO KNOW. [OVERLAPPING]
>> I HAD NO IDEA THAT THING EVEN EXISTED UNTIL I WAS READING THROUGH THE INFORMATION ON THE PACKET.
>> [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I'M WRONG.
>> CAN WE GET ENOUGH DATA ON THAT BEFORE [OVERLAPPING] WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS AND SO FORTH?
>> THERE'S ALSO A THIRD PARTY ALSO [OVERLAPPING]
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>> THAT'S DIFFERENT. NOW, THIS IS WHERE A CITY PROVIDED CURBSIDE NORMAL-AGE AS WELL. DO WE HAVE THAT?
>> IT'S A BLUE CAN I'VE SEEN IT IN ILLINOIS.
>> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MENTION ON THE ANNUAL REGISTRATION, IS WE USED TO DO WELL TO USE THAT WAY WITH THAT ANNUAL REGISTRATION.
I'VE DONE THIS MAY BE A FUNCTION THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF.
IT WAS TRACKING THESE PEOPLE DOWN.
THE TIME CAME UP AND THEN NOBODY FOLLOWS THAT.
THEN CITY DIDN'T NOTIFY THEM AND THEN THERE WERE PEOPLE OUT THERE FUNCTIONING FOR THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS WITHOUT THEM PAYING.
>> I'VE POSTED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO MANAGEMENT RECENTLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME RIGHT NOW THAT DON'T HAVE A LICENSE. [LAUGHTER]
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A PROBLEM.
>> BUT WHAT DID WE HAD TIED TO THE LTU OR AS JOHN SAYS, IT'S JUST PEOPLE.
PUTTING FOOD AND DRINK INDUSTRY IS STILL A PROBLEM OF MANAGING AND TRACKING AND KNOWING OVER WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>> IT'S JUST THE HANDLE NOTIFYING THEM THAT I DON'T KNOW.
IF SAY THEY DON'T PAY, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? I DON'T DO THAT.
>> BUT IT'S ON THE ANNUAL FEE NOW THAT'S NOT ENOUGH THOUGH TO USE KNOWN IN FIGURE, RIGHT?
>> I USED TO BE AN INFINITE SUM.
>> I HAD A WE APPLY THAT FOR USE.
>> IT'S JUST LIKE IF YOU CAME AND YOU WANTED TO CITY SIDEWALK FOR SOME TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT THERE, YOU'D APPLY FOR IT AND YOU PAY A ONETIME FEE.
AS LONG AS YOU STAY WITHIN YOUR PARAMETERS OF YOUR DELTA U, IT'S FOREVER.
>> WE CHANGE KIND OF ONETIME FEE BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TRACKING ALL OF THIS END FEES.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE A SYSTEM.
>> IF YOU USE ANY CRITERIA, WHETHER THEY'RE SELLING ALCOHOL OR THEY HAVEN'T, LTU OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER CRITERIA, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT FACT.
>> COMMODITY COMPUTER AUTOMATED SYSTEM SHOULD BE SPIT IT OUT JUST SO WE COVER THAT PROPERLY. THAT'S OKAY.
>> I THINK THE PLANET IF ORDER DOES TRACK THAT STUFF PRETTY WELL.
THEY MIGHT NOT KNOW IF YOU'RE WORKING ON THE STREET, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO ELSE HAD AN LTE OR NOT.
BUT IF SOMETHING GETS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION, THEY CAN EASILY PULL IN INFORMATION INTEGRITY.
>> BUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, THERE'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THEY CAN NOTIFY ALL MY YOUR EX MOUNTAIN DOLLAR BECAUSE THIS JUNE 1ST.
>> WELL, IF THEY PROBABLY COULD, BUT OF COURSE I DON'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ANNUAL FEE.
>> RIGHT. BUT BUT I COULDN'T. IT SOUNDS GOOD.
>> THAT FEE IS A RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE FEE TOO [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S BREAD.
THEN WE MIGHT LOOK AT DECREASING THAT FEES.
>> IT'S ABOUT $50. [OVERLAPPING]
>> TWENTY FIVE AT TIME OVER TIME, MAYBE ONE OF THEIR $50.
>> IT WAS FOR MY SMALL FOR THEM.
>> A QUESTION. THEN YOU'RE SAYING DURING AN ARM OFF AND YOU SEES SO MANY TABLES SET UP ON THE STREETS, THEY ALL HAVE A LICENSE TO USE?
>> ALL THE TABLES AND CHAIRS OUT IN FRONT OF MOD AND SLICED USE THE BURDEN OF THE PARABOLA HAS A PARTNER, YOU HAVE SOMEBODY.
>> PUT IF YOU FOR EXAMPLE, DONOR PARENTS ON HER HOUSE.
YOU MIGHT GET A LICENSE TO USE THE STREET.
THAT MAY ONLY BE A 90 DAYS PERMIT.
>> MANY OF THEM HAVE DEFINITE LIMITATIONS ON THEM.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> THEY HAD DRAINAGE PLAN, REALLY?
>> NOW, I JUST WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE ON DRAINAGE PLAN.
I KNOW WE HAD DIFFERED IT BECAUSE WE HAD NOT ACTUALLY EMBED OUT THAT [NOISE] I'M NOT HEARD ANYTHING ON THAT EXCEPT FOR SOME DISCUSSIONS ON PADLET, BRANDON?
>> YES. I'VE FORWARDED A COPY OF THE RFQ TO JANELLE.
SHE SHOULD HAVE DISTRIBUTED TO COUNSEL ON YOUR EMAILS.
IT'S CURRENTLY OUT ON THE STREETS RIGHT NOW RECEIVING PROPOSALS.
THE CLOSING DATE WILL BE SEPTEMBER 8TH ON IT.
WE SHOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND OCTOBER.
>> THANK YOU BRANDON VERY MUCH.
BRANDON DID SEND OUT THAT MATERIAL.
YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT IT TO COUNCIL.
>> WHENEVER WE SEE THE REPORT,
[3F. Report Of City Council's Park Board Representative (Collins/Brown - 10 Minutes)]
TO SEE COUNCIL'S PART MORE REPRESENTATIVE, WE KNOW THAT WE AREN'T GETTING CLOSE [LAUGHTER] TO THE END.>> WE HAVE JUST RECONSTITUTE OR COMMITTEE TO REVIEW REQUEST FOR QUOTATION ON THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ON STEWART BEACH.
TALKING ABOUT WHAT SERVICES WE WANT TO PROVIDE DOWN THERE AND TALKING TO SOME DEGREE AND ENGAGE JOHN LENGTH, GLO, A FIRM TO FIND SOME FOLKS WHO WANT TO MAYBE BRING PROPOSALS TO THE CITY ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
WE'VE ALL AGREED THAT THE PAVILION IS REACHING THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE,
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BUT JUST GOING UP AND REBUILDING IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEM.WE'RE JUST STARTING THAT PROCESS.
I'LL BE BRINGING YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WE GO ON.
>> THE AREA THAT IS STEWART BEACH WERE FIRST OF ALL, STEWART TITLE IS DOING A MEETING AND BOUNDS ON THAT D
>> ON STEWART BEACH BECAUSE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL 100 YEARS IT'S BECOME LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT BOUNDARIES [OVERLAPPING] STORE BECAUSE IT STRETCHES, IT GOES OVER THEIR INDIVIDUAL PIECE OF IT THAT RUNS INTO FRONT OF A LITTLE BEACH.
THERE'S A PIECE OF IT THAT GOES ALL THE WAY OVER TO PRESERVE.
SOME OF THAT IS LIKELY NOT TECHNICALLY THE STEWART GRANT.
THERE WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE WHERE THEY'LL GO CAR TRACK WAS, WHICH IS THAT CITY PROPERTY BACK THERE, AND OF COURSE, ACCOUNTING HAS A 50-FOOT EASTMAN IN THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF ALL OF THAT PROPERTY.
WE WANT SOME OUTSIDE ENTITY TO COME IN AND SAY THAT, TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WHETHER WE CAN DO THAT PROFITABLY, WHERE THEY CAN DO PROBABLY, I SHOULDN'T SAY.
WHILE STILL STAYING WITHIN STATE LAW GLO, PARKING REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE JOSEPHY REQUIREMENTS AND RESTRICTIONS OF THE DEED.
BECAUSE IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT STEWART BEACH IS A GIFT FROM THE STEWART FAMILY FROM 1942, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT IT HAS SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
WHAT WE USE FOR PLANNING, WE CALL THAT KIND OF THING.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. THAT'S JUST A SHARE OF THAT MARTY FLUID.
MARTY FLUID I'VE ALREADY PUT THIS IN OUR CASTLE AND ARE WORKING WITH STAFF AND HOPING AND KILLING DUCHAMP.
>> SAID THAT MICHELLE [INAUDIBLE].
>> THANK YOU. YES, MICHELLE IS IS ON LOAN TO US FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF ONE OR ANOTHER WORD, WE GET SOMETHING BUILT OVER THERE.
>> AS DECISIONS ARE MADE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO PUT ON?
>> YES THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO WEIGH ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S GOING TO BE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACT.
IT MAY GET OFF THE PROPERTY OF STEWART PROPERTY AND BACK AROUND ONTO WHAT IS PHYSICALLY CITY PROPERTY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AT THE BEACH PATROL ARE PART OF THIS? BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO FIRE STATION IN THE FAR EAST END BEACH PATROLS GOING TO NEED SOME PLACE TO OPERATE FROM IF WE ABANDON THE STORE, BEAUTIFUL, BRILLIANT, AND SO FORTH.
WE THESE ARE ALL ON THE TABLE.
BUT WE'RE REALLY JUST IN THE EARLY PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
>> YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANYBODY WANTS TO BE A PARTNER, YOU CAN DO THAT VIA RPC?
>> YEAH, THAT'S IN. WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS PUTTING OUT A REQUEST FOR QUOTATION FROM THE DESIGN TO SEE IF SOMEBODY CAN COME DOWN.
>> IT CAN NATIONWIDE OR JUST, THERE'S SOME LIKE 8,000 RECIPIENTS.
>> THESE THINGS GO INTO ANYWAY, [OVERLAPPING] HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION AS WE GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU, EVERYONE IN EUROPE?
>> IN EUROPE [LAUGHTER] EUROPE OF COURSE CALIFORNIA ONLY AMERICAN NATIONAL MARKET.
[NOISE]
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