[00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. OK, I'M CALLING OUR MEETING TO ORDER TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REGULAR [Landmark Commission on April 19, 2021.] MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR APRIL 19, 2021, AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH ATTENDANCE. COMMISSIONER CLICK? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER LANG? PRESENT.[INAUDIBLE]. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER SWANSON? PRESENT. COMMISSIONER WOOD? PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER COLLINS IS NOT JOINING, BUT WE WERE EXPECTING HIM TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN HE DOES. STAFF PRESENT OR MYSELF, CATHERINE GORMAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER. TIM TIETJENS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. PLANNER DANIEL LUNSFORD AND DONNA FAIRWEATHER IS ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. [INAUDIBLE] HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TODAY. OK, AND SEEING NONE. HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REDUCE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ANY CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, CHANGES, ET CETERA? NO? SEEING NONE, SO THEY WILL BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED. MEETING FORMAT. IF THERE'S STANDARD REMINDERS, LET ME NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COUNCIL MEMBER DAVID COLLINS HAS JOINED US. I JUST STARTED STANDARD REMINDERS SAID IT'S BEST TO WATCH THE MEETING [INAUDIBLE] REVIEW YOU CAN SEE ALL OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT'S HOW WE SHOW THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC. KEEP YOURSELF MUTED UNLESS YOU'RE SPEAKING TO CUT DOWN TO BACKGROUND NOISE. BEFORE SPEAKING OR MAKING A MOTION BE SURE TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND GET THE CHAIR'S ATTENTION TO BE RECOGNIZED. STAFF AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO PARTICIPATE VIA PHONE. AND WE'LL BE TAKING A VOTE FOR ROLL CALL. ALL RIGHT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO PUBLIC COMMENT WAS RECEIVED. OK, SO WE SHALL BEGIN ALL BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS. FIRST CASE IS 21LC-010. OK, THIS IS 1818 AVENUE L, IT'S A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REVISIONS TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AT THE APRIL 5TH. 2021 LANDMARK COMMISSION MEETING, THIS REQUEST WAS DEFERRED TODAY IN ORDER FOR THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS THE PUBLISHING OF THE AGENDA LAST WEEK, WE HAD NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HAD BEEN RECEIVED, AND THAT IS TRUE. WE STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING. SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STAFF REPORT AS ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED. AND SO AS I SAID THIS IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR A USED SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. TWENTY NINE NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RETURNED. AT THE FEBRUARY 1ST, 2021 MEETING, A PREVIOUS REQUEST FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WAS APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. THOSE ARE LISTED FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF REPORT IT'S A-G. SUMMARY, AS NOTED ABOVE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION RECENTLY APPROVED NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THIS LOCATION. ONE OF THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS WAS THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE ABOVE SEA LEVEL BE REDUCED TO THE REQUIRED ELEVATION OF TWELVE POINT FIVE FEET. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION TO REQUEST AN ELEVATION OF 21 FEET AND POINT SEVEN FIVE INCHES FROM SEA LEVEL. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN [INAUDIBLE] AND CONFORMANT. STAFF FINDS THAT THE NEW CONSTRUCTION GENERALLY CONFORMS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES, WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE MAPPING AND SCALE OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL BE IN KEEPING WITH THE SURROUNDING HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THAT'S ITEM DS3.24. THE HOUSE IS SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN THE HOUSES DIRECTLY TO THE EAST AND WEST. THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE TO THE EAST IS TWENTY EIGHT FEET, TO THE WEST TWENTY FOUR FEET. THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THIRTY SEVEN FEET AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. THE HOUSE IS LOCATED EIGHT POINT FIVE FEET ABOVE THE REQUIRED [INAUDIBLE] ELEVATION, WHICH IS ALSO CALLED [INAUDIBLE]. ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN FROM SEA LEVEL. [00:05:01] IN ORDER TO CONFORM, ENSURE CONFORMANCE TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE ELEVATION BE REDUCED TO THE REQUIRED TWELVE POINT FIVE FEET. AND DESIGN STANDARD THREE POINT THIRTY THREE. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT STAIR BE INCREASED TO THE FULL WIDTH OF THE TWO COLUMNS FLANKING THE FRONT DOOR. IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE AND THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION APPROVED THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS. THE REVEAL OF THE SIDING SHALL BE FOUR POINT FIVE INCHES AND AN TABLATURE SHALL BE INCLUDED BELOW THE FRONT GABLE. SIDING SHALL BE INCLUDED ON THE SECOND FLOOR FRONT ELEVATION BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THE [INAUDIBLE] SHALL BE A SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN. STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE THE APPLICANT SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN, MATERIAL AND PLACEMENT, PROJECTED IN ATTACHMENT A OF THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS. THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE ABOVE SEA LEVEL WILL BE REDUCED TO THE REQUIRED ELEVATION OF TWELVE POINT FIVE FEET, B, THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT STAIR BE INCREASED TO THE FULL WIDTH OF THE TWO COLUMNS FLANKING THE FRONT DOOR. C, THE REVEAL OF THE SIDING SHALL BE FOUR POINT FIVE INCHES. D, AN [INAUDIBLE] SHALL BE INCLUDED BELOW THE FRONT GABLE. E, SIDING SHALL BE INCLUDED ON THE SECOND FLOOR FRONT ELEVATION BETWEEN THE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND F, THE [INAUDIBLE] SHALL BE A SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN. ITEMS 2-6 ARE STANDARD AND WE HAVE SOME PICTURES. OK, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT. THESE ARE THE STRUCTURES TO THE EAST AND TO THE WEST. THIS IS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. THIS IS THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE BLOCK. AND THE PROPOSED ELEVATION, AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, DOUG? CATHERINE, COULD YOU PUT UP THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE OTHER HOUSES ALONGSIDE IT AGAIN? YEAH. OK. THANKS A LOT, I APPRECIATE THAT. HEY, JOANNE, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE FIRST STORY PORCH? TWO FEET, ONE 1/2 FEET? IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS? I WAS GETTING TO THAT OK, SO WHAT'S PROPOSED, IS FROM THE GROUND ELEVATION TO THE PORCH, IT'S PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT TO BE 10 FEET ONE INCH AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THAT BE REDUCED BY EIGHT AND A HALF FEET. SO, YES, IT WOULD BE ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF OFF OF THE GROUND LEVEL. SO THAT WOULD ALSO IMPROVE THE LOOKS OF THOSE STEPS GOING DOWN, THEY WOULD JUST BE COMING STRAIGHT DOWN THE FRONT? OK, THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? NO, THEN SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 21LC-010. ASKING IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT. SEEING THAT HE'S NOT THEY'RE NOT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CASE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AND REQUEST A DEFERRAL ON CASE, 21LC-010 . I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME ONE CAN MAKE A MOTION AND THEN HAVE A SECOND FOR THIS. YES, CONNIE? [00:10:02] I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? DOUG? DOUG SECONDS. ANY DISCUSSION? FRED, CAN I JUST, SIR? OH, MA'AM, WHAT? I'M SORRY. WHEN WE'RE MAKING A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL, WE NEED TO HAVE THE DATA WHICH IT'S BEING DEFERRED AND THEN THE REASON THAT IT'S BEING DEFERRED. ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE DATE OF THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING? THAT REGULAR MEETING IS MAY 3RD. NOW, IT WILL BE DEFERRED TO MAY 3RD. AND WE'RE DEFERRING SO THAT THE APPLICANT CAN BE PRESENT. OH, PROCEDURALLY, THAT WAS CONNIE'S MOTION, SO SHE NEEDS TO STATE SO. YOUR REASONS FOR DEFERRAL. NO, ACTUALLY, IT WAS FRED'S MOTION, SO HE'S MODIFIED HIS MOTION AND I'M GOING TO APPROVE THAT MODIFICATION. OK, I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT YOU'D HAD MADE THE INITIAL MOTION. THANK YOU. ANYWAY, I THINK CONNIE DID. OH, YEAH THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YOU HAD ASKED SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION AND I RAISED MY HAND. SO, YES, I'M GOING TO DEFER THE MOTION UNTIL MAY 3RD AT OUR NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING SO THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN BE PRESENT. I THINK DOUG SECONDED IT. YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? NOT SEEING NONE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CLICK? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER HUDDLESTON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER LANG? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER MCLEAN? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON? IN FAVOR. [INAUDIBLE]. ALL IN FAVOR , THE MOTION PASSES. WE'LL MOVE ALONG NOW TO A NEW BUSINESS AND ASSOCIATED PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE HERE IS 21LC-010. I THINK THE NEXT CASE IS 012. OH, 012. DID I SAY 010? SO THIS IS 213 FREMONT IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING REPLACEMENT OF ATRIUMS ON THE SIDE ELEVATION. SIX NOTICES WERE SENT, ZERO RETURNED. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REMOVE ATRIUMS FROM THE SIDE ELEVATION AND REPLACE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE ATRIUMS INCLUDED THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THE ATRIUMS LEAK AND ARE CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. CONFORMANT, STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ABOVE DESIGN STANDARDS . THE ATRIUMS ARE MODERN ADDITIONS, AND ARE NOT IDENTIFIED AS CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THE COMMERCIAL FACADE. USING THE ROTATING FACADE IMPROVEMENTS CHART ON PAGE TWENTY NINE OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS, GAS LINES AT THE LOCATION OF THE WORK IS IN LOCATIONS C, LESS VISIBLE SECONDARY WALL. AT THIS LOCATION, PRESERVATION IS STILL PREFERRED, BUT ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY EXISTS FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATION. STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REQUEST BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ONE, THE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS SHALL CONFORM TO THE DESIGN MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT, PRESENTED IN ATTACHMENT A OF THE STAFF REPORT AND ITEMS 2-6 ARE STANDARD. WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE ATRIUMS THAT ARE LOCATED ALONG THE ALLEY. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. AND TO THE NORTH, AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FOR INFORMATION? SEEING NONE, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 21LC-012. [00:15:03] AND ASK IF THE APPLICANT IS PRESENT? I THINK THAT MR. ROBERTSON AND I'M [INAUDIBLE], THE OWNER IS ALSO PRESENT. ALL RIGHT. OK. SIR, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSIONERS, AS YOU WISH, OR JUST TO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE INTENDING FOR THE PROPERTY. SO FEEL FREE TO SPEAK AS YOU WISH. OR OTHERWISE, DOES ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANTS? CAN I INTERJECT, FRED? IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE APPLICANT LISTENING VIA THE PUBLIC SITE AND IS HEARING US 30 SECONDS DELAY? THE APPLICANTS ARE BOTH ON THE ZOOM CALL. OK. THANK YOU. SO MR. ROBINSON AND MR. [INAUDIBLE], IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO THE COMMISSION? NO, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE THING THAT THE PRESENT ATRIUM BASICALLY BROKE, BECAUSE OF THE TREES, THE WEIGHT OF THE ICE AND IT HAS TO BE DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO WE ARE JUST MAKING [INAUDIBLE]. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANY ONE HAVE A, ON THE COMMISSION, HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, DOUG? YES, SIR, I WAS WONDERING IF THE ATRIUM STRUCTURE HAS ANY STRUCTURAL, DOES IT ADD STRUCTURAL STABILITY TO THE AREA BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS? I VIEW, DAVID ARE YOU THERE?. OK, IF NOT, I CAN ADD THAT ALREADY MY CONTRACTOR, MR. ROBERTSON, HAD SUBMITTED THE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS AND I BELIEVE IT IS APPROVED BY THE ENGINEER, SO I DO NOT KNOW MORE THAN THAT, TO BE HONEST. OK, THANK YOU, SIR. OK. ALL RIGHT, SO ANYBODY ELSE? SEEING NO ONE ELSE THAT HAS A QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CASE 21LC-012 AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WELL, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE CASE 21LC-012 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONDITIONS. DOUG? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION ? SEEING NO DISCUSSION, I WILL ASK FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CLICK? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN? IN FAVOR. CHAIR HUDDLESTON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER LANG? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER MCLEAN? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER WOOD? IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR, THE MOTION PASSES. THE NEXT CASE IS 21LC-013. THIS IS 21LC-013, IT'S 1701 AVENUE M AND A HALF. IT'S A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE STRUCTURE, INCLUDING WINDOW REPLACEMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A DEFERRAL OF THIS ITEM UNTIL THE MAY 3RD MEETING IN ORDER TO BE PRESENT. SO THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. RIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ON COMMISSION HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? NO? THEN I'LL OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 21LC-013. [00:20:02] AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT, SO I WILL CLOSE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CASE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS CASE UNTIL THE MAY 3RD MEETING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. IS THAT? ALSO, I KEEP FORGETTING MENTION, I SHOULD HAVE STATED SPECIFICALLY IN THE MOTION THAT THAT WAS TO DEFER CASE 21LC-013 TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING ON MAY 3RD SO THE APPLICANT COULD BE PRESENT. RIGHT. IT WOULD BE CLYDE, DID HE SECOND? YEAH, CLYDE SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE MOTION. COMMISSIONER CLICK? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN? IN FAVOR. CHAIR HUDDLESTON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER LANG? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER MCLEAN? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER WOOD? IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR, THE MOTION PASSES. RIGHT, NEXT CASE IS 21LC-014. ALL RIGHTY, 21LC014, THIS IS AT 1412 ROSENBERG. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR REVISIONS TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED GARAGE APARTMENT. THERE ARE FIVE PUBLIC NOTICES SENT, THREE RETURNED, ALL THREE OF THOSE IN FAVOR. TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON AUGUST 20TH, 2018, LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEWED A SIMILAR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS, THE APPLICANT'S FIRST REQUEST FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE MAIN HOUSE AND TO DEMOLISH EXISTING GARAGE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW GARAGE APARTMENT. THE REQUEST WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME WITH SOME SPECIFIC CONDITIONS WHICH ARE GIVEN IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS UNDER CASE 18LC- 051, THE APPLICANT LATER RETURNED IN HER CASE 18LC-076 A REQUEST A CHANGE TO THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, WHICH REQUESTED BOARD, MAT, AND SKIRTING ABOVE OR SIDING ABOVE LAP SKIRTING. THE STANDARD REPORT GOT THAT BACKWARDS. I APOLOGIZE. THAT REQUEST WAS DENIED. THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS IN ORDER TO CHANGE EXTERIOR DETAILS WHEN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT, THOSE CHANGES INCLUDE REMOVAL OF DORMERS AND TRANSFERS FACING THE ALLEY, CHANGE THE GARAGE DOORS FROM A ARCHED TOP TO A STANDARD RECTANGULAR FORM. REMOVED TRANSOMS FACING THE BACKYARD, REDUCED SIZE OF ENTRY DECK FACING THE MAIN HOUSE, REPLACE FRENCH DOORS WITH A SINGLE DOOR AND SIDELIGHTS, OMIT THE LARGE WINDOW NORTH FACADE. ALTER WINDOW CONFIGURATIONS ON THE SOUTH FACADE, CHANGE SIDING FROM ARTISAN HARDY BOARD TO SMOOTH HARDY SIDING. AND THE PROPOSED WINDOWS WILL BE VINYL AND FIBERGLASS, NOT WOOD, AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED. PLEASE NOTE THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE GARAGE APARTMENT IS IN LOCATION D, NOT TYPICALLY VISIBLE WITH REAR FACADE ALONG THE ALLEY, OF COURSE, MORE FLEXIBILITY AND TREATMENT, MAY BE WE CONSIDER ESPECIALLY FOR COMPATIBLE REPLACEMENT OR ALTERATIONS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THE PROPOSED MATERIALS ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS AS PERMITTED FOR NON HISTORIC ACCESSORY STRUCTURES NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. THE PROPOSED HANDRAILS APPEAR TO BE OF A SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN THAT'S TYPICALLY PERMITTED DESIGN STANDARDS. WHILE THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL ORNAMENTATION THAT REFLECTS THE MAIN HOUSE. IT'S PRETTY MINOR IN SCOPE. IT'S SCALED DOWN FROM THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AND NOT LIKELY TO BE MISTAKEN FOR HISTORIC . STAFF DOES HAVE CONCERNS THAT THE WINDOW DESIGN SHOWN ON THE APPLICANT'S ELEVATIONS, THE SASH WINDOWS SHOWN APPEAR TO BE A TWO OR TWO CONFIGURATION AND TYPICALLY ONE OVER ONE WINDOWS ARE PREFERRED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, LESS APPLICATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF 21LC-014TWENTY WITH THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONFORM WITH [INAUDIBLE] MATERIALS AND PLACEMENT IN THE [INAUDIBLE] AND EXHIBIT A WITH THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATIONS. HANDRAILS BE WITH A SIMPLE SQUARE DESIGN AS SHOWN. THOSE WINDOWS, WHICH ARE NOT SLIDERS SHALL BE ONE OVER ONE CONFIGURATION AS TYPICALLY ALLOWED, PLUS TO STANDARD CONDITIONS 2-7. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS. SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THERE'S THE SITE PLAN, AND IT'S JUST SHOWING THE CARRIAGE HOUSE PROPOSED GARAGE APARTMENT. THERE'S NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE MAIN HOUSE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THESE ARE THE UPDATED ELEVATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT'S DESIGN'S [00:25:08] PROFESSIONAL HAS SUBMITTED. THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH, TO THE SOUTH AND LOOKING WEST ACROSS 25TH STREET AND THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. OK, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION? NO? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 21LC-014 AND ASK IF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENT? I AM PRESENT BRAX C. SHERWOOD 2627 AVENUE K IN GALVESTON. CAN YOU HEAR ME OK? OH, YEAH, OK. YEAH, WELL, I THINK THANKS, DANIEL, FOR MAKING THE INTRODUCTION AND RECOMMENDATION. APPRECIATE IT AS ALWAYS. AND REALLY, I THINK HE PRETTY WELL COVERED EVERYTHING THAT'S CHANGED HERE. THE DESIGN SIMPLIFIED SOMEWHAT MAINLY FOR COST SAVINGS, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THOUGH. AND WE CALL IT VALUE ENGINEERING. [LAUGHTER].CORRECT. I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YES, JOANNE. HI, BRAX. I CAN'T TELL FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU HAVE DRAWN IN TWO OVER TWOS AND YOUR DRAFT DRAWINGS. ARE THOSE TWO OVER TWOS ON THE PICTURES? LET ME GO BACK TO THAT, AND I'LL YOU REAL QUICK. YEAH, THEY'RE DRAWN AS TOO OVER TWOS, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING TO ONE OVER ONES. IN FACT, SINCE WE'RE REQUESTING TO GO TO A VINYL, I WOULD PREFER TO JUST DO A ONE OVER ONE. OK, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY I THOUGHT TWO OVER TWO WOULD LOOK BETTER, BUT OK. IT'S JUST THE, I WOULD WANT TO USE AN APPLIED [INAUDIBLE] IF WE DID DO IT TWO OVER TWO, BUT RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT'S SANDWICHED BETWEEN THE GLASS. SO I'M FINE WITH EITHER DIRECTION, TO BE HONEST. I JUST KIND OF THINK I KIND OF THINK A TOUCH LIKE THAT BLENDS BETTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES YOU THINK IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. THAT'S JUST, THAT'S ALL. OK. ANYBODY ELS E HAVE A COMMENT, QUESTION? NO. OK, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. THANK Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT. I WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE 21LC-014, AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THEN THAT WE APPROVE. CASE 21LC-014 WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONDITIONS AND, CONNIE ? I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE. COMMISSIONER CLICK? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN? IN FAVOR. CHAIR HUDDLESTON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER LANG? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER MCLEAN? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER PATTERSON? IN FAVOR. COMMISSIONER WOOD? IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR, THE MOTION PASSES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA NEXT MEETING? NO? YES, JOANNE? I'M GETTING THIS FROM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORK, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A WORKSHOP BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING OR WHEN ARE WE GOING TO WORKSHOP OUR LAST WORKSHOP? WE DISCUSSED HOLDING THE SECOND MONDAY OF THE MONTH FOR WORKSHOP. SO IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE WE COULD [INAUDIBLE] THAT DATE. LET ME LOOK WHAT THAT IS I THINK IT'S THE 10TH. [00:30:01] YEAH. OK, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS AT THE NEXT MEETING AND THAT'S FINE. OK. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. JUST SO THE COMMISSIONERS WILL KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO SCHEDULE THOSE AS THEY COME UP. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A STANDING SECOND MONDAY. FYI I PROBABLY WON'T BE HERE THAT THE 10TH, BUT IT'S WORKSHOP, YOU MAY NOT NEED ME, SO THERE YOU GO. WE ALWAYS NEED YOU, DONNA. [LAUGHTER] GALVESTON NEEDS YOU, DONNA. YEAH CONNIE AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AFTER THIS MEETING. SO. ABOUT WHAT I HEARD AND WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR. I'M ONLY JOKING WITH YOU, BUT. YOU CAN ALWAYS, YOU CAN CALL IN FROM WHEREVER YOU ARE, DONNA. [LAUGHTER] NO EXCUSES. STEPHANIE, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I DID. SO IF WE'RE HAVING A WORKSHOP ON THE 10TH, IS IT GOING TO BE AT THREE OR FOUR? THREE, FOUR. CAN WE DO IT AT FOUR? FOUR IS BETTER. FOUR? YEAH. OK, WE'LL SCHEDULE, I'M HEARING A LOT OF CONSENSUS ON FOUR O'CLOCK. MM HMM. WELL, CONNIE? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP FROM OUR LAST WORKSHOP THAT I DID GO VISIT THAT RESIDENCE. THAT IS A, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL, IT'S NOT AN ALEX. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT PRODUCT, AVEC? ASEC? THANK YOU. AND THAT IS WHAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND THEY STILL ARE VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH THE PRODUCT. HE , FORTUNATELY, HE AND HIS WIFE ARE GETTING READY TO GO ON VACATION FOR A COUPLE WEEKS. BUT SHE WAS GOING TO, HE WAS GOING TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO CATHERINE ABOUT IT AND MAYBE SCHEDULE AND COME VISIT WITH US AT LANDMARK TO GIVE US HIS THOUGHTS OF ACTUALLY HAVING THAT PRODUCT ON HIS HISTORIC PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? IF NOT. WAIT A MINUTE, FRED. SO, CATHERINE, IF YOU CONTACT HIM, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD KIND OF SCHEDULE SLIDING IN THERE TO MAKE DONNA HAPPY ONE AT A TIME? I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MATERIAL BEFORE MAKING DECISIONS. IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN DO THAT? YOU THINK? YEAH, I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH HIM AND THEN TALK TO DONNA ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATELY DONE AND THEN SEND THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE THE NEXT WORKSHOP WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE CAN SEE IT. I WONDER IF ANY BUSINESS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DEAL LUMBER OR SOMEBODY LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING, SOMETHING OF THAT IN STOCK. YOU CAN GO BY HIM TO LOOK AT IT AND, YOU KNOW, THE LUMBER YARD TYPE THING. OK. I'LL CHECK ON THAT. THAT'D BE EASIER THAN GOING TO PERSONAL PROPERTY. YEAH. NOT AS MUCH FUN. OK. ALL RIGHT, CONNIE? YEAH, I MEAN, IF WE GET A SAMPLE OF THAT, I'D STILL THINK IF THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN SEEING PICTURES OF THE PRODUCT AND HEARING THIS PERSON'S TESTIMONY THAT HAS IT, YOU KNOW, CLEAN UP MAINTENANCE, HOW IT'S PERFORMED, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING BRAND NEW THAT DOESN'T TELL US WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS OUT. AND THIS HOUSE HAS THAT. SO JUST MY TWO CENTS. OK. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY LIKE TO NOTE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NOT EVERYBODY AT ONCE. JOANNE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SECOND. THANK YOU ALL. WHO WAS THAT SECOND? I SECONDED. YOU ACTUALLY DON'T NEED A MOTION TO, YOU DON'T NEED A SECOND TO, FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN CATHERINE? YEAH. CAN YOU GIVE ME A CALL IN TOO AFTER THE MEETING? APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE AND I'LL CALL YOU FROM THERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BYE, GUYS. BYE BYE. BYE. GOOD JOB, DOUG. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.